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Speaker 3: Good evening, and welcome to another edition of Talking Point.
Speaker 3: I trust and pray that you've had a good week
Speaker 3: thus far.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: It is the second installment of our series. In the
Speaker 3: beginning was the Word, and it's just a play on
Speaker 3: the text, but really it's a decision by us to
Speaker 3: start the new year with a deep dive into the
Speaker 3: Word of God. To help us do that past to
Speaker 3: Nick is back and he's going to take us through
Speaker 3: another of the beatitudes. So we're really looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: We really enjoyed last week and I'm going to just
Speaker 3: maybe brief free cap or will do a brief recap
Speaker 3: before we move into the second slide. As it were, guys,
Speaker 3: how are we doing. Let's just do a sound check
Speaker 3: and just ensure that everybody's on and everybody's okay tonight.
Speaker 3: I have with me the usual I want to say suspects,
Speaker 3: but I'll stay away from that. Our usual co host
Speaker 3: uh Pedro's on evening, Petro Angie and of course our
Speaker 3: US member Malember. How are you guys doing? Patro maybe
Speaker 3: if you kick us off.
Speaker 5: Good, good evening everybody, and welcome to Talking Point. Yep,
Speaker 5: I'm back. I missed last week. I'm so sorry we missed.
Speaker 5: You had a previous engagement that I had to go to,
Speaker 5: so it was nowhere else it was gonna be too noisy,
Speaker 5: so I couldn't joy. I really I hate that I
Speaker 5: missed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good to have you back.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it's good to be back. Thank you. You're sure?
Speaker 2: If I'm sure, I don't know. Sometimes I wonder.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would have been a nice maybe a
Speaker 3: good opportunity to throw some shade, but I.
Speaker 2: Won't do shade the other time on me, So you
Speaker 2: know that's what I'm saying. Are you sure? Because you
Speaker 2: know I'm a deserter, so you know I forgot that word.
Speaker 3: You are not?
Speaker 2: But you know you asked me how my week went?
Speaker 2: Or you just asking me just you know, yes, how
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 3: How's your week?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: My week was was good besides losing my phone. But
Speaker 5: you know, and that's about it. It's material.
Speaker 2: What can you do?
Speaker 5: Can't cry about it? Because you cry about it's not
Speaker 5: gonna make a difference. You stop crying. Guess what still lost,
Speaker 5: so you know, move on and you know, just try.
Speaker 3: To talking offline about how it feels I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 2: On ahead, what you say now.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying we were talking offline about how it
Speaker 3: feels like our life is on that device, so different
Speaker 3: to how it was many many years ago when it
Speaker 3: was just numbers.
Speaker 5: My life is definitely on that phone, between phone numbers
Speaker 5: and stuff. I got what's up numbers and I can't
Speaker 5: what's episode crazy?
Speaker 2: I can't switch.
Speaker 5: I got a new SIM card with my old number,
Speaker 5: but the What's up on my on the phone I
Speaker 5: have now would not let me.
Speaker 2: It's telling me go to.
Speaker 5: The all phone to connect the phone the phone I
Speaker 5: have now do WhatsApp, but I can't because that phone
Speaker 5: is lost.
Speaker 3: I can't remember how there is a way to navigate that.
Speaker 3: But maybe we can chat offline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm gonna figure it out. I just it
Speaker 2: just happened.
Speaker 5: It just happened, so I haven't had a chance to
Speaker 5: really look into it. But yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: that's only frustrating. But that as for that. You know,
Speaker 5: life is good. You know, I'm alive, My family is good,
Speaker 5: everybody's good. You guys are good. And I'm happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the perspective. Indeed, Angie, how are you?
Speaker 6: I have felt better.
Speaker 7: Indeed, another round of this cold flu whatever bug that's
Speaker 7: going around that's hit me again midweek, so I'm feeling
Speaker 7: a little bit under the weather. So I excuse my
Speaker 7: croaky voice and possible fits of coughing that might happen. So, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's been a bit of retiring week. I've had not
Speaker 7: had much energy. I've still kind of been working, but
Speaker 7: thankfully because I work from home, you know, it's not
Speaker 7: to be bad. But yeah, I really could do with
Speaker 7: a holiday because this cold weather, and I think I've
Speaker 7: really misjudged how cold it was as well this week
Speaker 7: because of a couple of days when it's actually freezing.
Speaker 7: So hopefully I can shift this cold cold as soon
Speaker 7: as possible and get back to full strength and what
Speaker 7: have you. So but you know, praise Gods, still here
Speaker 7: making it through, pushing through, and so yeah, quick.
Speaker 5: Angela, you know you're not actually when it's cold, like
Speaker 5: it's been cold and then like today was kind of
Speaker 5: warm because the summer's out, that's when you really get
Speaker 5: sick because it's the change in the weather. Yeah, you
Speaker 5: kind of you kind of think, oh, you know, the
Speaker 5: sun is out, maybe a little bit warmer, so then
Speaker 5: you don't just like you normally dress.
Speaker 7: I don't even think it's that because I do wrap up.
Speaker 7: Most people will be looking at me like it's reading
Speaker 7: not that cold, Angela. But I'm like, I felt like
Speaker 7: I really misjudged it. But you know when you get
Speaker 7: a chill, and I think the cold over in the
Speaker 7: UK is one that just seeps straight into your bones.
Speaker 7: So that's how I felt it this week. And it's
Speaker 7: just like, and I guess maybe because my immune system
Speaker 7: is struggling at the moment.
Speaker 3: Because you just just to recovered. Yeah, so you yeah,
Speaker 3: you sound like I sounded last week, just about but
Speaker 3: I'm proud to say me that gave it to you because.
Speaker 2: I'm I had to cut you off.
Speaker 5: She sounds a whole lot better than you sounded.
Speaker 3: Oh I still miss you. I still miss you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's true. That's true, to be fair, and I still
Speaker 3: have a bit of a cough. But but all is well.
Speaker 3: God is good in the end. You know, we just
Speaker 3: give thanks for life, give thanks for life, and to
Speaker 3: make sure you, you know, drink all those at home
Speaker 3: remedies and all the juice and all the bits and
Speaker 3: all that stuff to just get yourself back to full steam,
Speaker 3: fulling Melimba, How are you, How are you doing? Welcome back.
Speaker 3: I want to say.
Speaker 8: This is my second time being with you, guys. I'm
Speaker 8: so excited. Hello everybody. You Welcome to Talking Points. It's
Speaker 8: good to have you. We didn't have you last week,
Speaker 8: so it's interesting that you're here this time around.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's interesting to have you around too.
Speaker 8: Thank you. Otherwise, I have been good, guys. My week
Speaker 8: has been great. I was agreeing with Angela about how
Speaker 8: good it was last weekend was freezing. I was going
Speaker 8: to church on Saturday. The sun was out. I thought,
Speaker 8: oh the sun is out, but it was like minus
Speaker 8: three or four when I went outside. It was deceasing. Yes,
Speaker 8: I was freezing last week. But God is good. I'm
Speaker 8: very fine. Like Pedro said, we're all fine. You guys
Speaker 8: are fine, and be grateful to God for that.
Speaker 3: Amen. Amen. I love that perspective. Indeed, all things wetever,
Speaker 3: all things wet together, we're good. So that love the Lord. Well,
Speaker 3: I want, without further you, let's jump into some prayer.
Speaker 3: I think in between of the conversations I kind of
Speaker 3: hinted to how my week has been. I'm feeling a
Speaker 3: little better, sounding a lot better according to Pedro, and
Speaker 3: just looking forward to going through the study. It was
Speaker 3: so enlightening last week some I think maybe a different
Speaker 3: perspective or a deeper perspective would you say on things
Speaker 3: that we've come across before, read before, but never really
Speaker 3: took that view, So passonikly, thank you for that, and
Speaker 3: we're looking forward to bring you back on so we
Speaker 3: can continue the discussion. Guys, what did you think, what's
Speaker 3: your kind of takeaway or what's your highlight from last week?
Speaker 3: If we just do that briefly before we go on.
Speaker 7: I'm going to be honest, I don't think i've really
Speaker 7: I feel like I've reflected on this after wards, and
Speaker 7: I felt like I don't really think I've really done
Speaker 7: a real deep dive study into the attitudes before I
Speaker 7: think I had. It's a very very long time because
Speaker 7: a lot of things seems very new to me, So
Speaker 7: for me it's like, oh, I've never really done this before.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 7: It was really interesting to look at it and to
Speaker 7: sort of see the perspective the idea that these obviously
Speaker 7: were quite foundational statements, blessings, instructions and promises was really
Speaker 7: interesting as well. And you know the fact that we
Speaker 7: can be overcomers to the things that are happening, but
Speaker 7: we have to almost die to self and we have
Speaker 7: to really be in a position where we are fully
Speaker 7: dependent on God to be able to receive some of
Speaker 7: these promises. And you know, some of the statements almost
Speaker 7: seem slightly contradictory, but you know that they are talking
Speaker 7: about their leading towards hope. You know, if you do something,
Speaker 7: you would you would inherit something, you would gain something,
Speaker 7: you'd be blessed by something. So I'm had it really interesting.
Speaker 7: So yeah, looking forward to the rest of it as well.
Speaker 7: But yeah, recognizing that you know, we can be we
Speaker 7: can be overcome as we can be conquer as we are,
Speaker 7: we can be the dates if we're putting our full
Speaker 7: life and trusting God in his hands.
Speaker 3: Amen. Amen, Blumbers. What's your highlight takeaway?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, last week was very interesting. One thing that I
Speaker 8: love the most is the realization that if we are
Speaker 8: poor in spirit, the Kingdom of God belongs to us
Speaker 8: because they makeew five us three says blessed the poor
Speaker 8: in spirit. For theirs is the kingdom of Heaven, and
Speaker 8: so realizing that we are partakers of heaven, are citizens,
Speaker 8: and God is our God. You know, every time we
Speaker 8: think of God, it feels like he's far apart, like
Speaker 8: he's in heaven and we are here. But last week,
Speaker 8: the way person me explained it made me realize that
Speaker 8: he's literally like my governor. I belong here, I'm entitled
Speaker 8: to the shares of heaven, and that just made me
Speaker 8: feel very courageous for the future. It gives you a
Speaker 8: certain level of confidence in God and a certain level
Speaker 8: of certainty for our future. I just felt like living
Speaker 8: all to God because I know who is my president,
Speaker 8: I know who is my king, I know who is
Speaker 8: leading me, and so it just made me to feel
Speaker 8: like I can be poor in spirit because the kingdom
Speaker 8: of Heaven belongs to me. I never looked at the
Speaker 8: Beatitudes in this way. I've read the Beatitudes before, I
Speaker 8: feel like I've understand I've understood a few of them.
Speaker 8: But the way we discussed last week, the way it
Speaker 8: was broken down, and just hearing each person giveing their
Speaker 8: two cents was so amazing because then we got to
Speaker 8: understand them at a deeper level and just basically seeing
Speaker 8: things from a different angle. Otherwise, I was just so
Speaker 8: happy seeing that I can put all my confidence in
Speaker 8: God because he really has my future. And if God
Speaker 8: has my future, nobody can come against me. So I
Speaker 8: was just so happy that we are not poor, not
Speaker 8: poor to be like less privileged or less in society.
Speaker 8: We can be poor in spirit to mean that God mean.
Speaker 8: I don't want to God diep into explaining what it means,
Speaker 8: because then people can should go back and listen. That
Speaker 8: point was really nice and interesting. But I'm just grateful
Speaker 8: that we had the start off based off on the
Speaker 8: first beatitudes, which was quite interesting. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 8: today's one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent and really nothing to add or take away there.
Speaker 3: The caption for last week's discussion was becoming spiritually on
Speaker 3: and I think that perspective, wondering if that's the theme
Speaker 3: I want to take through the year, because sometimes you
Speaker 3: just you clasp on to something, you grasp onto something
Speaker 3: and it really resonates, and that for me resonated, you know, Macarios,
Speaker 3: I don't know, the past of the bishop will come
Speaker 3: in and let me know if I'm actually really pronouncing
Speaker 3: that correctly. But it's the Greek word and that for
Speaker 3: me was was was the highlight, becoming spiritually untouchable, knowing
Speaker 3: that God is my I have confidence in God, who
Speaker 3: who is in control, who loves me with a gappy love.
Speaker 3: And as Malemba said, we are citizens of the Kingdom
Speaker 3: of Heaven. He is our king and we are his children.
Speaker 3: So really looking forward passonic to continuing the conversation, and
Speaker 3: just before we hear from you, let's have a word
Speaker 3: of prayer. Reminder to all if you'd like to be involved,
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Speaker 3: just pray definily. Father, thank you again for the opportunity
Speaker 3: to come together and talk. This is what talking point
Speaker 3: is a about. And tonight especially we're doing a deep
Speaker 3: dive into the world, and we asked for your spirit
Speaker 3: to give us wisdom and insight.
Speaker 7: Then we had to.
Speaker 3: Bless the technology. Bless all of us in Jesus name.
Speaker 3: I pray, Amen and a man passionate. You've been waiting
Speaker 3: patiently or will be taking a bit of our highlights
Speaker 3: and dissecting it. Have we got it right? Is there
Speaker 3: something we didn't quite get understand?
Speaker 6: Something you guys?
Speaker 4: I was in the background listening and I was getting
Speaker 4: all excited to the point where that thought crossed my mind.
Speaker 4: I need to invite mole to my chich to preach
Speaker 4: my gosh.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to pre hip anything, but I'm fitting.
Speaker 6: Look at that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I mean hearing you guys share, I
Speaker 4: am also been being blessed because irrespective of how much
Speaker 4: you go through the world, or how much God inspires
Speaker 4: you at a time, or how much he reveals to
Speaker 4: you as a human being. Life happens to you, and
Speaker 4: every now and then you you need to find you
Speaker 4: you You're always blessed.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 4: Just this morning, for example, a devotion I did and
Speaker 4: took some notes about a year ago, I felt the
Speaker 4: need to to just put aside what I was doing
Speaker 4: and go back to it. So just hearving you get
Speaker 4: you guys share for me, it is just an absolute
Speaker 4: blessing and I'm just really grateful to God for it.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 4: But in terms of yeah, your spot on and your
Speaker 4: your your pronouncing of the word is you did justice
Speaker 4: to it as well, So spot on, spot on to
Speaker 4: all of you, Pedro, God bless you, bro. It's really
Speaker 4: nice having you because this evening, and of course looking
Speaker 4: forward to you to your input as well. As we
Speaker 4: look at the second the attitude.
Speaker 3: Lovely, well let's let's you take the lead past the
Speaker 3: neck and let's get right into it.
Speaker 4: Sure sure, sure, So, just as just before we go
Speaker 4: ahead to read the second beatitude, uh so, you guys
Speaker 4: have already done an absolutely amazing job with some of
Speaker 4: the recap, so I just want to touch on a
Speaker 4: few things again just in case someone might be hearings
Speaker 4: for the first time, and they may not have the
Speaker 4: background of what we're talking about. So, uh, the entire
Speaker 4: series just a bit of a correction. Hair is called
Speaker 4: becoming spiritually untouchable. The reason being that word macarios, which
Speaker 4: you highlighted xenia, which is translated blessed or happy or satisfied,
Speaker 4: literally means untouchable, and of course to be spiritually on
Speaker 4: untouchable in the context that we looked at last time,
Speaker 4: it borders on people who are elite persons who are
Speaker 4: living in a particular place where they are fully such
Speaker 4: satisfied and they are not dependent on external factors to
Speaker 4: give them that satisfaction. So when we every time we
Speaker 4: read the Beatitudes and it starts off with the word blessing,
Speaker 4: we have to remember it's not just blessing in the
Speaker 4: way that we think of blessing, but it's God saying, Hey,
Speaker 4: I am going to favor you so much.
Speaker 6: I'm going to annoyt you so much.
Speaker 4: I will do for you so much that you will
Speaker 4: become spiritually untouchable. Your blessings are untouchable. You will be
Speaker 4: satisfied from within. That's what I will do for you,
Speaker 4: which for me is really makes the Beatitude such an
Speaker 4: absolutely amazing foundational teaching. Of course, we also look at
Speaker 4: the poor in spirit, which we mentioned is that that
Speaker 4: first beatitude is the foundation for the rest of the beatitude.
Speaker 4: We also spoke about the fact that the beatitudes themselves
Speaker 4: is a foundation upon which the entire Sermon on the mount.
Speaker 6: Is is built.
Speaker 4: But that very first one is a foundation for the
Speaker 4: rest of them. And if you, if you ever take
Speaker 4: some time to really explore the Beatitudes, you will you
Speaker 4: will realize that they're kind of in an ascending order.
Speaker 6: So you start off a poor inspirit.
Speaker 4: And and every other one of that that Jesus speaks about,
Speaker 4: it's like he's building them on on the ones that
Speaker 4: went before. So there's there's that, And of course the beattitudes,
Speaker 4: all of them has a conditional format. There is a
Speaker 4: condition for us to meet, and we did discuss last
Speaker 4: time that despite the fact that we are the ones
Speaker 4: responsible to meet that condition, we can admet it on
Speaker 4: our own.
Speaker 6: So we need God.
Speaker 4: But but what God needs from us really is for
Speaker 4: our had to be open and willing and for us
Speaker 4: to be deliberate at pursuing those conditions. The truth is,
Speaker 4: some of those conditions are uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: Some of those.
Speaker 4: Conditions called for us to go against the very green
Speaker 4: of who we are.
Speaker 6: But that's what's required.
Speaker 4: And as long as those conditions are met, that spiritual blessing,
Speaker 4: that spiritual benefit. God is the one who provides it.
Speaker 4: And hey, if God gives it, no deboney the hell
Speaker 4: can touch it. If God gives it, no one at
Speaker 4: all can possibly undo what God has do not take
Speaker 4: away from you.
Speaker 6: So with that said, I'm not sure if Pedro, I
Speaker 6: don't Pigure were not with us last time.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Pedro any of one of you
Speaker 4: guys have anything to share before we we we read
Speaker 4: the second one and to begin to delve into.
Speaker 3: It, I'm happy for you to go ahead, Petrol, where
Speaker 3: you where you at.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to go right into it because I didn't
Speaker 5: have a chance to listen to to the show last week,
Speaker 5: so I have I'm gonna be going on a fly head.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you guys are making my work as a
Speaker 4: as a as a theologian hair easy, So that's that's great.
Speaker 4: So the second beattitude. Of course, we find it in
Speaker 4: March chapter five, verse four, and there Jesus said, Blessed
Speaker 4: are those who moan for they will be comforted, blessed
Speaker 4: that those who moan for they will be confident. And and
Speaker 4: like I mentioned a little while ago, we were seeing
Speaker 4: the condition that he's asking us to meet is to moan,
Speaker 4: and the promise is.
Speaker 6: We will be comforted.
Speaker 4: So let's just just spend some time just exploring it.
Speaker 4: So what does it mean to moan? What does it
Speaker 4: mean to moan? So let me just open it up
Speaker 4: to us here. I'm sure we're not new to the
Speaker 4: concept of moaning. But when you hear moaning or blessed
Speaker 4: are those who moan? What comes to mind? What do
Speaker 4: you think it might mean?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just gonna go first. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I know the full meaning. But what that surprised me
Speaker 3: about how you've just put it is the fact that
Speaker 3: you're saying that the prerequisite or the requirement is to mourn.
Speaker 3: And generally, just as you said for the beatitude before,
Speaker 3: being being being uncomfortable and not something that we would
Speaker 3: be predisposed to or want to do. We predisposed in
Speaker 3: the right term, but we'd want to do. And that
Speaker 3: rings true for morning. It speaks of being sad, being
Speaker 3: you know, losing a loved one or losing something, And
Speaker 3: so when you're saying this is the condition, like, maybe
Speaker 3: I want want that blessing on the back of this
Speaker 3: particular one because this is not a comfortable place and
Speaker 3: this is not something I would necessarily want for myself
Speaker 3: or or for those I love and get about.
Speaker 6: Mmmmmm, I'm not sure if anyone else wants to.
Speaker 5: I Actually, since I just lost my brother in August,
Speaker 5: I feel blessed though that more I mourned him, I
Speaker 5: miss him, I think about him, but then I'm comforted
Speaker 5: because I remember all the funny things we did and
Speaker 5: all the times we spent together.
Speaker 6: M hm.
Speaker 5: And it comforts me to know that I had that
Speaker 5: time to spend with him and to get to know
Speaker 5: him and you know, just do things with him. And
Speaker 5: so then it just brings me back to a happy
Speaker 5: place of even though he's gone, he's always in my heart.
Speaker 5: So that just comfort. That gives me comfort in knowing that.
Speaker 5: But that's just yeah, and.
Speaker 6: Man, thank you very much for sharing that, Pedio. My
Speaker 6: condolence is there to you.
Speaker 4: I also lost my brother a little over a year ago,
Speaker 4: so I can I can relate. I can relate, Andrea,
Speaker 4: I think you wanted to tryme.
Speaker 7: In Yeah, I mean I was gonna in some ways
Speaker 7: and both then you and Pedia both said and again
Speaker 7: it is that uncomfortable position because you don't want to
Speaker 7: be mourning at all. I know over twenty twenty four
Speaker 7: there was a lot of loss of friends. Yeah, friends,
Speaker 7: people that you know, et cetera. So it seems to
Speaker 7: be a tough year. And even though I know in
Speaker 7: theory that I'm going to be comforted and we pray
Speaker 7: for comfort and people are encouraging around you what have you,
Speaker 7: at the time, it doesn't feel like I'm sometimes getting
Speaker 7: any comfort so wanting to so it almost feels like
Speaker 7: a bit of a contradiction. I feel I don't feel
Speaker 7: like I'm being blessed when I'm mourning, if that makes sense.
Speaker 7: But again, this is where I know I have to
Speaker 7: put my full trust in God to say, you know
Speaker 7: you can bring me through this. You can bring me
Speaker 7: the comfort I have, the faith I have the belief.
Speaker 7: You know, you have promised that you will be the comforter.
Speaker 7: And sometimes it's completely leaning because if you're completely broken
Speaker 7: as you're mourning, and now I you know, this year
Speaker 7: I lost one of my really good close friends. And
Speaker 7: you know, I find myself sometimes breaking down or getting
Speaker 7: completely accept something might just bring up a memory or
Speaker 7: what have you. And I know sometimes it's not just
Speaker 7: by my own strength, my own doing that I can
Speaker 7: get through this. I've really got to cling to God
Speaker 7: and really have to believe the promise that he didn't
Speaker 7: come and meet and he'd give it the strength to
Speaker 7: move through. But again it feels like almost a contradiction
Speaker 7: in terms. But again it's like you said, you have
Speaker 7: to be in that position where it's uncomfortable. We have
Speaker 7: to meet those conditions for Him to bless us and
Speaker 7: receive that blessing.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 8: I can also just come in. I'm gonna get one sentence,
Speaker 8: I think. And you mentioned when you're like sad, when
Speaker 8: you're feeling sad, or when you're at your lowest. I
Speaker 8: would like to think of it as listen to those
Speaker 8: who mourn. You know, when you're moaning, you feel like
Speaker 8: you are at your lowest. You feel because it's a
Speaker 8: sad moment, at your lowest. And God promised that He's
Speaker 8: going to send us a comforter who will comfort us.
Speaker 8: And so for me, besides just losing a loved one,
Speaker 8: I'll take it as mourning our grief. I mean seeing
Speaker 8: serrantity is the wad sin. There are times that we
Speaker 8: are deep in sin, that we are so sad and miserable,
Speaker 8: and it's at that moment that God comforts us. There's
Speaker 8: a way in which if you align your life with God,
Speaker 8: even if you try and stray, because you remember who
Speaker 8: God is, like a lost son, He's still going to
Speaker 8: find a way of bringing you back home in different ways.
Speaker 8: Be it causing you to be sick so much that
Speaker 8: you remember that there's a God and you have to pray.
Speaker 8: Be it causing you to feel so hungry impoverished that
Speaker 8: you remember that there's a God who's a provider. I
Speaker 8: feel like it's been at such a low moment of
Speaker 8: your life that you just want to remember that there's
Speaker 8: a God who is more than able to comfort me
Speaker 8: because he promised us that he will be there with
Speaker 8: us up to the end of time. So it's just
Speaker 8: for me, it's just been at such a low moment
Speaker 8: in your life that it gives you the comfort that
Speaker 8: there's somebody greater than what I'm going through at this moment.
Speaker 6: Mmmmmm, thank you so much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: On you You've actually set the stage first there with
Speaker 4: your last comment.
Speaker 6: Molember.
Speaker 4: So we we we we all, in one way or another,
Speaker 4: have experienced grief and morning.
Speaker 6: There's no question there.
Speaker 4: The Greek word that's used there is, and I deliberately
Speaker 4: mentioned in the Greek word because there are some English
Speaker 4: words attached to it that we know. So the Greek
Speaker 4: word is path us, and it means to experience misfortune
Speaker 4: or or to experiperience deep grief. So it's an emotional condition.
Speaker 4: One of the things that I have always been a
Speaker 4: little bit surprised about is that there's tends to be
Speaker 4: people who believe, oh, you know, if you are a Christian,
Speaker 4: there must be no emotion involved and nothing is whether
Speaker 4: from the truth. It is impossible for you to have
Speaker 4: that relationship with God and not experience any type of
Speaker 4: emotion at all. While God asks us to love to
Speaker 4: gapy him, you would hear the prophet speaks and that
Speaker 4: that would a gappy or that type of love that
Speaker 4: we're supposed to have for God. It encompasses holistic love,
Speaker 4: so it's loving Him with our minds, with our bodies,
Speaker 4: and with our hearts emotionally. So here God is inviting
Speaker 4: us to be deliberate at pursuing an experiencing h and
Speaker 4: a very sad and uncomfortable emotion. Mm hmm, it's it's
Speaker 4: a little bit on the crazy side if you ask me.
Speaker 4: But but then he's saying, that's the condition that you
Speaker 4: have to meet in order for you to be comforted.
Speaker 4: Let me just put just plug something in here. We
Speaker 4: have to remember that the beatitudes ah the beginning of
Speaker 4: a spiritual discourse. Yeah, So as we are looking at
Speaker 4: the word moaning with the context is going to determine
Speaker 4: the meaning of that word because and I'm saying this,
Speaker 4: because they are persons who moan, but who are still
Speaker 4: grieving years later and who are not in that place
Speaker 4: of comfort. So there is there is moaning, and there
Speaker 4: is moaning here. What God is saying, what Christ is saying,
Speaker 4: is that there is a particular type of moaning where
Speaker 4: you will be comforted. The English word that's related to it,
Speaker 4: we know them well, is empathy. So we see that
Speaker 4: same uh, the root of path here, So empathy, sympathy
Speaker 4: And of course if you're if you're if you're empathetic
Speaker 4: to someone, it means that you are you've experienced what
Speaker 4: they've going through so you can relate to it. M H.
Speaker 4: If you're sympathetic with someone, it means you've not experienced
Speaker 4: what they're going through. But because you are a human being,
Speaker 4: you could see the herd, you can see their pain
Speaker 4: and you and you are you are feeling to some
Speaker 4: extent what they are feeling.
Speaker 6: You're feeling sorry for them.
Speaker 4: So so that that the words literally means, and this
Speaker 4: is interesting, the literal meaning of the word is experiencing, experiencing.
Speaker 4: So so when Jesus says, blessed as those who moan,
Speaker 4: he said, blessed of those who don't. Don't just profess,
Speaker 4: but who are actually experiencing this spiritual condition that I'm
Speaker 4: talking about. So now we all know, we all know,
Speaker 4: and we've described it, hair spoken about his outspoken about mine.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 4: The moaning is what happens when you have deep gree
Speaker 4: for intense sorrow. And the truth is, I'm smiling and laughing,
Speaker 4: but it's not twenty The truth is there is a deep,
Speaker 4: absolutely crazy sense of moaning that could get you in
Speaker 4: such a crazy place that you were completely lost. I remember,
Speaker 4: I remember when my my mom died. I I sat
Speaker 4: listened to one of my colleagues pressure funeral. I knew
Speaker 4: it was a great summon, but I don't remember a
Speaker 4: thing he said. When when you're moaning, it's like you're
Speaker 4: completely out of it, I mean, think of it. So grief,
Speaker 4: grief is actually a response to deep loss.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 4: The extent of your moaning is always related to the
Speaker 4: extent of what you've lost. So if you lose someone
Speaker 4: who means the absolute world to you, your moaning is
Speaker 4: going to be that heavy. On the flip side, if
Speaker 4: you if someone close to you dies and you've not
Speaker 4: been in heavily invested in them, that the grief is
Speaker 4: not that heavy.
Speaker 6: When when Jesus has.
Speaker 4: Speaks about moaning, he's talking about that that deep sense
Speaker 4: of loss, that deep sense of sadness. I mean, what
Speaker 4: forgive me for saying this, guys, but you'll get where
Speaker 4: I'm going. What God in his right mind, who have
Speaker 4: said to his people I care about your well being,
Speaker 4: says to them, I'm actually inviting you to deliberately pursue
Speaker 4: experience of deep grief, an experience of deep loss, in
Speaker 4: order for you to be a recipient of a blessing
Speaker 4: that will make you spiritually untouchable. Now, just to go
Speaker 4: a bit deeper hair. So just to give some context,
Speaker 4: just that we can understand it. When he says moaning hair,
Speaker 4: is he just referring to the type of social money
Speaker 4: that we are used to the emotional bits alone. No, because,
Speaker 4: as we've already highlighted it, he's speaking hair from a
Speaker 4: spiritual context. So just a few passages I want to
Speaker 4: to share in James chapter four was eight or nine
Speaker 4: the same word is using verse nine, but just to
Speaker 4: get some context, so it was eight. Jim says, come
Speaker 4: near to God. Get the context. The context is drawing
Speaker 4: near to God. Come here to God, and he will
Speaker 4: come near to you, wash your hands, your sinners, and
Speaker 4: purify your heart. You double money. So so this is
Speaker 4: God saying, Hey, this is my invitation to you to
Speaker 4: be as genuine with me, as close to me as
Speaker 4: possible possible.
Speaker 6: God, how do we do that?
Speaker 4: Verse nine, grieve moan and will change your laughter to
Speaker 4: moaning and your joy to gloom. In other words, God
Speaker 4: is saying here through the Profit, through through James, that
Speaker 4: the comfort that I want you to get, that spiritual
Speaker 4: comfort your you're drawing near to me requires you going
Speaker 4: that place of moaning. It requires you to experience that
Speaker 4: deep sorrow, deep grief. Let me share an order passage
Speaker 4: and then try to bring it together for sa just
Speaker 4: to open it up a bit. So in in second
Speaker 4: Grand Films one and with five, this is one of
Speaker 4: my favorite passages in the Bible. And I'll share with
Speaker 4: you why so it US five or Second Frinians one.
Speaker 4: Paul says, but just as we share abundantly in the
Speaker 4: sufferings of Christ, what we share in the sufferings of Christ?
Speaker 4: But I thought Christ suffering on the cross was all
Speaker 4: just as we say in the suffers of Christ. And
Speaker 4: mind you, the same way that is used here is
Speaker 4: the word that's used there is the same with pathos,
Speaker 4: which is a reference to the sufferings of Christ. So
Speaker 4: also our comfort and bounds through Christ. So let me
Speaker 4: get stop here to open up open this up onto
Speaker 4: ask you what do you think he means? What does
Speaker 4: Paul mean here when he talks about the sufferings of
Speaker 4: Christ that we share abundantly in.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I.
Speaker 4: Mean how how how can we possibly share in the
Speaker 4: sufferings of Christ?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's a good one, if I were to had I'm
Speaker 3: not sure that I know. But for me I would say,
Speaker 3: in his in his empathy for others, in his in
Speaker 3: his his heart for others, that would be that would
Speaker 3: be my guest, and it really is a guest. But
Speaker 3: for me, he he was a compassionate God Christ, or
Speaker 3: he is a compassionate Christ correction, and he had a
Speaker 3: feeling and a heart for his fellow men.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm mmmm okay, okay, thank you, Xeniah. I don't
Speaker 4: know if anyone else wants to add their voice.
Speaker 8: Hair, sorry, ask again, Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 4: The question here is how how can we share? How
Speaker 4: do we share in the sufferings of Christ? And again
Speaker 4: the same word is using here, the same word that
Speaker 4: just uses in Matthew five and Us four path of
Speaker 4: us when it's a basis than those who won, but
Speaker 4: they will be comforted. So we've basically seeing second grand
Speaker 4: Fians one five mirroring the second at Articue. So the
Speaker 4: question here is how do we share in the suffering
Speaker 4: or in the morning of Christ.
Speaker 7: I guess it's maybe in a similar way that we
Speaker 7: experience certain things, whether it's we go through troubles, we
Speaker 7: have trial, you know, we have challenges in this I
Speaker 7: guess in the same way, maybe in different ways that
Speaker 7: Christ suffer. But if he suffered for certain things, Let's
Speaker 7: say he suffered for his fate. You know, he was
Speaker 7: preaching what have you, he was persecuted for that. We
Speaker 7: might go through similar things if we are sharing what
Speaker 7: we believe, et cetera, or we're going through challenges in life.
Speaker 7: So I guess in some way there's the empathy side
Speaker 7: of it, or we can kind of recognize the challenges
Speaker 7: that we're facing, So there is a level of sympathy
Speaker 7: recognizing what Christ went through through for us in a
Speaker 7: similar way, we can sort of empathize and maybe in
Speaker 7: some ways put ourselves in his shoes to a certain degree.
Speaker 7: So I guess it's where we can relate to the
Speaker 7: things that He's gone through.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 8: I agree with us In and Angela, just like both
Speaker 8: of them have said, I feel like we share up
Speaker 8: the suffering with Christ when we literally go through what
Speaker 8: he went through. That's the way we can be empathetic
Speaker 8: because then we are walking in his shoes. His sons
Speaker 8: today especially been on this part of the world. You
Speaker 8: feel like it becomes so hard to preach the word
Speaker 8: of God. So sometimes you can deny you you know,
Speaker 8: Jesus Christ came to his own and his own denied him.
Speaker 8: Even today, you might want to preach to somebody about
Speaker 8: the word of God. Just last week, I was telling
Speaker 8: a colleague of mine about God, like, you know, you know, y'ah,
Speaker 8: like I wanted to share the word of God. And
Speaker 8: then my friend just said, you know what, I'm not interested.
Speaker 8: We'll keep arguing about this, so let's just not start
Speaker 8: taking about it. I was so shattered, I'm like, okay.
Speaker 8: And so you realize that people did deny Jesus Christ
Speaker 8: and people did accept him, and so the suffering comes
Speaker 8: in when he feels sad. He weeps when people do
Speaker 8: not trust in him. He feels sad when people are
Speaker 8: not trusting in the Mira because the people he came
Speaker 8: to die for. And then the other one also is
Speaker 8: Jesus Christ also suffered. There's one low moment I point
Speaker 8: out when he was at the cross. He cried, was
Speaker 8: it before the cross and the garden of Getzman when
Speaker 8: he said, let this car pass from me, however not
Speaker 8: my will, let you will be done. At that moment,
Speaker 8: he felt the pain so much. And that was basically
Speaker 8: because the sins were separating him from the Father, even
Speaker 8: as there are times we go through life and we
Speaker 8: feel like our sins have separated us from God. You know,
Speaker 8: the moments where you feel your spirituality is not right
Speaker 8: with God. You just feel down, you don't pray anymore,
Speaker 8: Especially during COVID. I don't know. Maybe because it was
Speaker 8: just mainly online and we didn't have to go to
Speaker 8: church and worship and be reminded of God, many people's
Speaker 8: spirituality just went down. And then you get to feel
Speaker 8: like you get to feel like you have been separated
Speaker 8: from God or maybe you're going through something painful in life,
Speaker 8: and moments that you can consider painful in life, and
Speaker 8: then us feel like where is God? And so in
Speaker 8: that moment you get to share, uh, the suffering that
Speaker 8: Christ went through because he felt that also at one
Speaker 8: point in his life.
Speaker 4: I just explained a bit more and maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 4: putting you on on a spot broke. Here is the thing.
Speaker 4: While Christ walked on Earth, what are the things that
Speaker 4: made him moan? Because because basically that's what poor Polly
Speaker 4: is saying. So there they're general conditions, general things. As
Speaker 4: Christ went throughout his ministry that led him to that
Speaker 4: place of deep experiencing of grief, of customer spiritual context.
Speaker 4: So so the question here is what what are some
Speaker 4: of those things that we would say made Christ's moan
Speaker 4: made him grieve spiritually genuine If you mind, Pedro, it's
Speaker 4: nice hearing your nice beast voice.
Speaker 5: Actually, can I just say one thing about the last question?
Speaker 5: Then I go to that one with the with you're
Speaker 5: saying that. I was just thinking about this in the
Speaker 5: sense of we can't suffer like Christ if we don't
Speaker 5: walk with Christ. So like me, so like to me,
Speaker 5: we need to be walking with Christ in order to
Speaker 5: get the pain. And then then then Christ would then
Speaker 5: comfort us because we are walking like when Jesus was
Speaker 5: on this earth, he showed us the blueprint on how
Speaker 5: to walk in Christ, or how to walk in him
Speaker 5: or walk like Jesus, and you know, to be sinless,
Speaker 5: because there's always a question of can we be sinless?
Speaker 5: Can we actually be pure and of heart, pure of mind,
Speaker 5: pure body, pure of soul. And Jesus gave us the
Speaker 5: blue the blueprint, and I think in today's where that's
Speaker 5: a blueprint, that's not hard to do. But it's just when,
Speaker 5: like Melinda said, when you when you live that Christian life,
Speaker 5: people have a tendency to to downplay it or say
Speaker 5: they're not interested, but they are watching. So I think
Speaker 5: that the suffering that you're saying by suffering with Christ,
Speaker 5: if you're walking in Christ, you're going to suffer. But
Speaker 5: then Christ will then comfort you and give you the
Speaker 5: the power and the mercy to make it through whatever
Speaker 5: you're going through.
Speaker 2: That was just my thought process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've hit it nicely. You've hit it nicely, because
Speaker 4: here is here's the thing. Yeah, when we when we
Speaker 4: remember when you and ire agrieving, we're pretty God and
Speaker 4: we sit to him, Lord, please say, hit us, free
Speaker 4: us from from this, and he he if you remember
Speaker 4: the experience of Lazarus, why did you justus sweep? He
Speaker 4: wept because the people who were moaning. The Bible tells
Speaker 4: us that christis moved with compassion over the widow of
Speaker 4: Nain who lost her son. So grieving and mourning is
Speaker 4: just something that God wants for us. Suffering is not
Speaker 4: something God wants for us.
Speaker 6: Yet still his.
Speaker 4: Hair saying there is spiritual moaning and spiritual grieving. There
Speaker 4: are certain blessings you need, and mind you, God don't
Speaker 4: have blessings available to us if we don't need them.
Speaker 4: There are certain blessings you need, but in order for
Speaker 4: you to be recipients of those blessings, their doors you
Speaker 4: need to open. And one of the doors you have
Speaker 4: to open is engaging in spiritual moaning, spiritual grief.
Speaker 6: And what does that look like? What does that look
Speaker 6: like when you when.
Speaker 4: He said, blessed that those who Moanlessed that those were experienced.
Speaker 4: And remember that it is not something you can and
Speaker 4: go through without God, that spiritual grieving. When my brother died,
Speaker 4: when my mom died, I did not need God to
Speaker 4: inject anything in me. I dont need to go and
Speaker 4: pray to God, say God, please help me, help me grieve,
Speaker 4: help me move.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, that came naturally.
Speaker 4: This one here, we need to go to Him for
Speaker 4: it because it entails mourning in God. So the Holy
Speaker 4: Spirit literally comes and as you pray, as you open
Speaker 4: up your hat, the Holy Spirit comes and leads you
Speaker 4: to that place where you.
Speaker 6: Are moaning in God.
Speaker 4: But mourning. Why it's also mourning after God. It is
Speaker 4: recognizing how far you are from God. It's recognizing how
Speaker 4: much you need God, recognizing how much you've alienated yourself
Speaker 4: from Him, and then for your hat to experience, because remember,
Speaker 4: you moan over something that is uh that that that
Speaker 4: is means the world to you. In order for you
Speaker 4: to moan after God, you need to have a particular
Speaker 4: concept of who God is and what you are missing
Speaker 4: in Him to experience that level of mourning after him,
Speaker 4: of grieving after him. But it's it's also moaning for God,
Speaker 4: which is what we just read here in First Christians
Speaker 4: five where Paul says we share in the sufferings of Christ.
Speaker 6: So the things.
Speaker 4: That hurt God's heart hurts ours.
Speaker 6: The things that matters to God matters.
Speaker 4: To us, the the mission of God and the amount
Speaker 4: of of of effort and how heavy God carries it
Speaker 4: on his desire to see everyone saved. This we we
Speaker 4: partake in it as well. Let's just go a little
Speaker 4: bit further the hair as it relates to us being
Speaker 4: in that place of of what's that would, as it
Speaker 4: relates to us being in that place of experiencing.
Speaker 6: The grund of who God is, the heart of God.
Speaker 4: In other words, it's it's an invitation to be partakers
Speaker 4: of God's divine nature because as we go through this life,
Speaker 4: God looks and he looks at how we as human
Speaker 4: beings on our backs from Him, and it grieves his
Speaker 4: heart is moaning.
Speaker 6: He sees how we suffer when.
Speaker 4: We lose love, loved ones, and how we we.
Speaker 6: Need persons to come to us.
Speaker 4: It's his, his humans, and so it's an invitation to experience,
Speaker 4: to experience spiritual grief, spiritual mourning. Now, mind you, the
Speaker 4: word is used. The tense is the present active participle,
Speaker 4: which means, which means, as long as sinful conditions exist,
Speaker 4: as long as people are not saved, as long as
Speaker 4: people turn their backs from God, as long as you
Speaker 4: could see how distance you are from God, we should
Speaker 4: be moaning, should be moaning. In other words, in other words,
Speaker 4: in for us to be recipients, ongoing recipients of this blessing,
Speaker 4: God is asking us to be spiritually sensitive on an
Speaker 4: ongoing basis. So there must never be a point in
Speaker 4: time that I go through the day where I don't
Speaker 4: deliberately pursue God heavily enough, I don't start my day
Speaker 4: with God and to be deliberate been with Him to
Speaker 4: so that I become insensitive to the things that matter
Speaker 4: to God. And so as as we as we, as
Speaker 4: we get ready even now, just to stop and to
Speaker 4: and to spend some time. I I want to just
Speaker 4: highlight this. I want to highlight it that God is
Speaker 4: saying to us, Hey, as my child, you need to
Speaker 4: be in a constant state of spiritual moaning. Now, mind you,
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean that you're always gloom and sad and
Speaker 4: you're always crying and will No, no, no, that's not that's
Speaker 4: not That's not the meaning here. What he's saying is
Speaker 4: pursue me with all of your heart. Pursue me to
Speaker 4: the point where your heart hurts. Pursue me to the
Speaker 4: point where as I reveal to you my will, as
Speaker 4: you see it and understand it, you will get jealous
Speaker 4: for God.
Speaker 6: You will have such a desire within you that.
Speaker 4: When it comes to taking what you have, what God
Speaker 4: has blessed you with in order to be to benefit
Speaker 4: others so that His kingdom and the work of His
Speaker 4: kingdom can be realized.
Speaker 6: Yeah. In other words, your.
Speaker 4: Heart has to be in tune with God's heart, has
Speaker 4: to be in tuned with God's hat and you're going
Speaker 4: to pass on to you or rather, before I do that,
Speaker 4: let me just open up a little bit, little bit
Speaker 4: anything back that you may have briefly and I will
Speaker 4: pass onto our host.
Speaker 6: I'm suspecting your mine.
Speaker 3: I am just.
Speaker 8: For me.
Speaker 3: It is the point, and I may not have it
Speaker 3: completely right. I understand that Christ suffered. He suffered for
Speaker 3: the Gospel, is my take on it. He suffered doing
Speaker 3: the work that God had placed on him to do,
Speaker 3: or or the job that he knew he had to do.
Speaker 3: But for me, most important was the fact that he
Speaker 3: suffered because he loved us. That That's where I'm coming
Speaker 3: back to, and that really resonates with me. He was
Speaker 3: a he is I keep saying, once he walked on earth.
Speaker 3: I think that's why I'm using the past tense. He
Speaker 3: is a compassionate and I'm caring friend. And when when
Speaker 3: you say more, because again, this is a concept that
Speaker 3: I'm just putting my head around. Because before this conversation,
Speaker 3: mourning in that text only related to moaning the loss
Speaker 3: of a loved one, or mourning because someone whom I
Speaker 3: deeply care about has died. That was the kind of
Speaker 3: text in which I looked at that text. But You've
Speaker 3: now opened it up to a spiritual mourning, and for me,
Speaker 3: it is having a heart as Christ had for others.
Speaker 3: And for myself knowing that I'm lost. I am lost
Speaker 3: without him, and and if I'm not careful, those around
Speaker 3: me will be lost. If I'm not shedding light, if
Speaker 3: I'm not setting the right example, if I'm not being
Speaker 3: as christ Like as I need to be, and I
Speaker 3: must be concerned about that. I should have a heart
Speaker 3: for that, and I should have a desire for that,
Speaker 3: And in having that desire and that yearning, then he
Speaker 3: will provide the comfort. He will provide the covering. Because
Speaker 3: I'm always I'm always thinking about the end goal that
Speaker 3: we are all to make it into the Kingdom. If
Speaker 3: I'm sensitive to that, then I think I will be
Speaker 3: sensitive to the hearts of others. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I'm making sense, but in my mind it is. I
Speaker 3: If I'm if I'm concerned about whether Malember makes it
Speaker 3: into the Kingdom, then I'm concerned about Malember full stop.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: If I'm concerned about my neighbor making it into the Kingdom,
Speaker 3: then I'm concerned about my because because that's the end goal,
Speaker 3: but it requires a whole load. Unfortunately, we make it
Speaker 3: just about maybe beating people over the head with the
Speaker 3: Word or or the Bible, but That's what I love
Speaker 3: again about Christ on earth. He talked, He dealt with
Speaker 3: the whole man. H you know, he dealt with with
Speaker 3: with the physical. He dealt with those who were mourning,
Speaker 3: those physically, he dealt with those who had physical ailments.
Speaker 3: He dealt with the whole person, those who were hungry,
Speaker 3: those who were homeless. He dealt with the whole person.
Speaker 3: And ultimately his goal was to get them into the kingdom.
Speaker 3: That was his goal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Which which brings me to this place of asking.
Speaker 6: How often are we there?
Speaker 4: And and and I'm asking that deliberately because it's very
Speaker 4: easy to do Sabbath, very easy, returned my time, very
Speaker 4: easy to just get dressed.
Speaker 6: And to you know, do my normal churchy things.
Speaker 4: Very easy to just sell stud up and off our
Speaker 4: prayer and to and to just be completely disconnected from
Speaker 4: the things of God and the things that matters to God.
Speaker 4: So if if so Christ walked this earth, and he
Speaker 4: he was mission focused to the point where his heart
Speaker 4: was in this to the full, Yeah, he's inviting us
Speaker 4: to do the same. And it's no wonder, it's no wonder.
Speaker 4: It is not something that we can do on our own.
Speaker 4: While the provisions are there. We have to be willing
Speaker 4: to open up ourselves to it and to be ready
Speaker 4: to pursue it so that we can experience that that grief,
Speaker 4: that spiritual grief, that's spiritual moaning, and so that our
Speaker 4: eyes can begin to see what God's eyes sees, our
Speaker 4: heart can begin to feel what God's heart feels, and
Speaker 4: for the intensity of it to hit us as much
Speaker 4: as it hits him, and the whole objective of being
Speaker 4: diligent at pursuing it with a loving and carrying and
Speaker 4: desiring heart becomes ours as well. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: really think of it, if you really think of it,
Speaker 4: it's an invitation to partic in the sufferings that Christ
Speaker 4: part took in while he walk this berth.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and we can't miss that that that is the
Speaker 3: purpose of the sufferings.
Speaker 8: We can't.
Speaker 3: He's asking us to partake of it, but we can't
Speaker 3: miss the purpose of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7: It says as a reminder exactly you know where we
Speaker 7: need to be and what we need to go through
Speaker 7: to dual closer to Him. Yeah, because it's very easy
Speaker 7: to kind of get complacent and almost forget what the
Speaker 7: ultimate purpose is.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. And Pastorinik, you said it so clearly,
Speaker 3: and and that's something that always it always troubles me,
Speaker 3: is that when we get so comfortable, we get so
Speaker 3: comfortable in our own routine and our own rituals. And
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it that I may get tap
Speaker 3: on the wrist for it, but particularly as Adventists, we
Speaker 3: are very good at our rituals and our routine, for
Speaker 3: better or worse. But but it's important that we go
Speaker 3: beyond that, go beyond the pure warming, go beyond the
Speaker 3: you know, the the clockwork of the Sabbath and all that,
Speaker 3: and make sure that we have a compassion for people,
Speaker 3: make sure that we're caring about people, and make sure
Speaker 3: that we are being a tool for comfort for people. Again,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I've missed the mark there, but
Speaker 3: that for me is really what the Gospel is about,
Speaker 3: you know, having a heart for God in the way
Speaker 3: that He had a heart for others.
Speaker 8: That's nice, then, yeah, And that really is what true
Speaker 8: Christianity is. True Christianity is not just going to church
Speaker 8: once a week. True Christianity is taking care of the
Speaker 8: least in society, the vulnerable, the widows, the orphans, others
Speaker 8: that need help. If we see in the Bible, those
Speaker 8: are people that Christ was so happy to help. We
Speaker 8: see how he took care of the widow, even just stories,
Speaker 8: even from the Old Testament, when we see both from
Speaker 8: you and Old Testament, we hear stories of how the
Speaker 8: widows were taking care of, how God was, how Jesus
Speaker 8: Christ was happy to serve the people that were considered
Speaker 8: to be least in society, how he healed the blind,
Speaker 8: the lamb, those that were sick. That is what true
Speaker 8: Christianity is, taking care of our neighbors and their affairs.
Speaker 8: Like you said earlier, if you know that my spiritual
Speaker 8: life is good, I'm doing fine, then you're happy because
Speaker 8: you are looking out for a sister, looking out for
Speaker 8: a neighbor. It goes back to the neighbor principle when
Speaker 8: Jesus Christ gave the power boy, and so really it's
Speaker 8: about out taking care of those around us. I did
Speaker 8: have a comment earlier before I forget. There's something that
Speaker 8: Pastor Nick mentioned that in his explaining Blessed the Day
Speaker 8: that Morn, how we need to grieve for ourselves, how
Speaker 8: we need daily to basically pray for ourselves because we
Speaker 8: are singing every day, knowingly or knowingly just because we're
Speaker 8: living in such a sinful world. It just so happens
Speaker 8: that somehow you just get to sing. And we need
Speaker 8: to pray every day because we are not safe for
Speaker 8: a day or an hour without prayer. So it's a
Speaker 8: reminder that we really need to pray. You know, when
Speaker 8: the Bible says carry you across daily. It's not going
Speaker 8: to be easy. It's not an easy journey. But we
Speaker 8: need to pick ourselves up every day and grieve for
Speaker 8: ourselves each and every day, or we'll be fine. It's
Speaker 8: just a moment. There's light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 8: One day we're going to go to heaven and your rejoice.
Speaker 3: M h eternity doing.
Speaker 4: Jore shore. Let's spray, let's spread. Father. We thank you
Speaker 4: against your word, Thank you lort Jesus for the second beattitude,
Speaker 4: this teaching that you gave about the importance of mourning.
Speaker 4: It for us to be recipients of comfort that God gives.
Speaker 4: I take this time to ask for your forgiveness for
Speaker 4: us who are here right now on this platform, and
Speaker 4: those who are hearing, and your people, your children in general.
Speaker 4: But because at times it's it's become easy for us
Speaker 4: to just be complicent with spiritual things and not necessarily
Speaker 4: put ourselves in this place where we are pursuing you
Speaker 4: and the things that matter to you. You have invited
Speaker 4: us to moan. You've divided us to partic in your
Speaker 4: spiritual grief. For God, you look around and you see
Speaker 4: people who are suffering, people who are struggling, people who
Speaker 4: have lost loved ones. You look around of God, and
Speaker 4: you see people who are lost in their sins. You
Speaker 4: look around and you see us who can become so
Speaker 4: so certain in our own righteousness that we are far
Speaker 4: from you, Lord, Your Your Your invitation to this spiritual grief,
Speaker 4: to the spiritual moaning, is an invitation to be saved,
Speaker 4: an invitation to be particulus of your divine nature, and
Speaker 4: invitation to continue this work of humiliation in ourselves as
Speaker 4: we looked at last week, as it relates to being
Speaker 4: poor in spirit, being spiritually jsecute, and and oh God,
Speaker 4: you would not ask us to maintain spiritual moaning, spirit
Speaker 4: maintain spiritual grief if it was not in necessity. And
Speaker 4: so I pray that that will be the reality for
Speaker 4: every single world, that we will make it our business
Speaker 4: to be determined to be deliberately, to discoverable what means
Speaker 4: to be to moan spiritually, but to do everything in
Speaker 4: our power to experience this morning for God while moaning
Speaker 4: and grieving emotions we do not want. You have made
Speaker 4: us this promise. If we pursue it, if we seek it,
Speaker 4: if we achieve it, you will bring the comfort and well,
Speaker 4: thank you and we'll bless your name.
Speaker 3: It is a prayer, Amen, Amen, Thank you passon k
Speaker 3: for the first half. Thank you for your prayer. And
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Speaker 3: let it marry aid for a minute, and then we
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to talking points, and we are doing a
Speaker 3: deep dive into the beatitudes and passenic is really opening
Speaker 3: up our perspective on a very familiar passage or text,
Speaker 3: but really looking at it from a fresh perspective. So passonic.
Speaker 3: We were thankful for that. Guys. I don't know what
Speaker 3: have you taken away from the first half before we
Speaker 3: kind of move on into the second And just to recap,
Speaker 3: I shared it just before we close it. It is
Speaker 3: the concept that it goes beyond maybe the physical morning
Speaker 3: if that's the right term, or the emotional mourning, and
Speaker 3: that we're talking about a spiritual mourning and understanding that
Speaker 3: we are lost without God, lost without Christ, and having
Speaker 3: a compassion for those around us as well, acknowledging that
Speaker 3: we are all lost but for the grace of God.
Speaker 3: So that for me is what I've taken away and
Speaker 3: much more. Obviously from our first bit of the discussion,
Speaker 3: Petro Angie Malemba, what has resonated with you?
Speaker 7: And again i'd say the similar thing to what you
Speaker 7: just said as well, but also recognizing that the comfort
Speaker 7: is not just a temporary thing. In that moment, it
Speaker 7: can provide us with assurance that God is always going
Speaker 7: to be with us. He gives us the hope, but
Speaker 7: his comfort will be never lasting.
Speaker 9: One.
Speaker 7: Again, it's interesting that we have to meet that condition
Speaker 7: of mourning, but again the promise of something greater is
Speaker 7: always there. So that's what I kind of following on
Speaker 7: from what you were saying there as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and one thing I liked also is that we
Speaker 8: share this morning because Jesus Christ went through the morning.
Speaker 8: He mourns, and he was comforted by the Father, and
Speaker 8: so we are happy knowing that we are not experiencing
Speaker 8: something foreign. He came to leave like a human being
Speaker 8: so that he should understand what we go through. And
Speaker 8: so it's amazing to see that every time we go through,
Speaker 8: be it physically, we lose a loved one. Jesus Christ
Speaker 8: lost their loved one, He lost his best friend Lazarus.
Speaker 8: He knew what it felt like to lose a loved one.
Speaker 8: When we lose people close to us, or when people
Speaker 8: deny us, when we feel sad, when we feel pain.
Speaker 8: He felt all of that, and so it's just amazing
Speaker 8: to see that I'm living through life just like Jesus
Speaker 8: Christ did live. And so when he says he will
Speaker 8: comfort us, he is sure that he. We are sure
Speaker 8: that he will comfort us because he understands what pain is.
Speaker 8: He understands what it means to mourn, be it for
Speaker 8: our spiritual lives. We cry for ourselves. He came to
Speaker 8: die for our sins. He understands what it is to
Speaker 8: feel empty and painful because of sin. And so when
Speaker 8: he says it's going to comfort us, we need to
Speaker 8: trust in him. We need to have faith that really
Speaker 8: he is going to comfort us.
Speaker 5: What I'm going to say is going to have it
Speaker 5: sound crazy, but when I took from it, I know
Speaker 5: it's going to sound crazy. The more I more, the
Speaker 5: closer I feel to God. Yeah, because I'm not afraid
Speaker 5: to mourn anymore now because I know when I'm more
Speaker 5: and God is with my walk of Christ, I know
Speaker 5: I feel that God would be there to comfort me.
Speaker 2: And hold me and protect me and get me through
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 5: And then as we say, like you know, on the
Speaker 5: other side, I know that I will then feel comfort
Speaker 5: and his love and his joy and his happiness.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of I don't know, that's what I
Speaker 2: took from it personally, you.
Speaker 3: Just brought my cup something else that you you hinted
Speaker 3: that as well, the fact that we have to be
Speaker 3: in a particular place with God to really understand and
Speaker 3: have a heart like he has. And if we if
Speaker 3: we don't have a relationship with him ourselves, if we
Speaker 3: don't recognize our destitute selves, our broken selves, our sort
Speaker 3: of in full self, then we won't really understand what
Speaker 3: it is to more and spiritually and to be in
Speaker 3: need of Him. And that really stems from having a
Speaker 3: relationship with Him and knowing that we can't do any
Speaker 3: of it without him. And you hinted at that at
Speaker 3: the very very beginning, and you just kind of reminded
Speaker 3: me again that we need to we need to have
Speaker 3: a relationship with Him first and foremost.
Speaker 5: Nothing works, because without the relationship, there's no there's no salvation,
Speaker 5: there's no there's no understanding, there's no understanding, there's no
Speaker 5: next there's no next level, there's no heaven. Yes, so
Speaker 5: I just you know, and I said, that's why I said,
Speaker 5: I just think I kind of nombra. I not think
Speaker 5: of his morning as a good thing. I know that
Speaker 5: may sound weird to me. This is my personal It
Speaker 5: just to me is a good thing because it just
Speaker 5: showed I know that now my house side, I'm going
Speaker 5: to get God is going to be there for me.
Speaker 2: I'll make it through.
Speaker 4: Thing fedio in. I think one of the Old Testament
Speaker 4: passages in Issacae nine, the Bible speaks about and God.
Speaker 4: God praises the priests who moan between the port and
Speaker 4: the altar, and those who sign and cry for his people.
Speaker 4: So listen, it is impossible for you to be a
Speaker 4: Christian and to be saved and not care about the
Speaker 4: things that God cares about. And while while the invitation
Speaker 4: to be saved is an invitation to something absolutely phenomenal
Speaker 4: and greed, it is it's a cult of suffering, and
Speaker 4: not many persons like to hear that. In Collashion chapter one,
Speaker 4: it's one of the passages I go to every now
Speaker 4: and then when you know it's difficult to be a
Speaker 4: pastor or lose it something that not want. We give
Speaker 4: up something every now and then when I want to
Speaker 4: remember why what called me into ministry, I go to
Speaker 4: Callers from chapter one where Paul speaks about his philosophy
Speaker 4: of ministry, and there he says that we are we
Speaker 4: are called to suffer the same same way is used,
Speaker 4: the same word for come, for for for for moving
Speaker 4: days loose uh. We are called to partake in the
Speaker 4: sufferings of Christ. So while while and I guess that's
Speaker 4: that's what makes it ironic, while it seems like a
Speaker 4: wrong thing or something to not want, it's actually what
Speaker 4: God is in inviting us to. So you're you're spots
Speaker 4: on your spots on.
Speaker 2: I just had another third walk quick sure.
Speaker 5: With the morning right when we mourn and and you're grieving,
Speaker 5: it's not just the morning of a of a lost one,
Speaker 5: but like also the morning of when we see one
Speaker 5: of our family members that may be going down the
Speaker 5: wrong path from morning because you want to see them
Speaker 5: make it into heaven.
Speaker 2: So you're like, look, you're doing this wrong thing.
Speaker 5: Or even your fellow church member or just somebody that
Speaker 5: you care about, somebody that you deal with on a
Speaker 5: daily basis at work. Like Melinda said, the cowork at work,
Speaker 5: you develop a relationship and so you mourn, and I
Speaker 5: think the morning, actually then I won't to say forces you,
Speaker 5: but it makes you want to tell people about Jesus.
Speaker 2: Does that makes sense? Am I making it there?
Speaker 5: Like I know, I just as you was talking, it
Speaker 5: just kind of popped in my head because one thing
Speaker 5: I noticed now with the passing of my brother, I
Speaker 5: tell people about my brother and in the next sentence
Speaker 5: comes out my mouth is what God has got my
Speaker 5: back and He's helping me make it through this. And
Speaker 5: then I start talking about Jesus to them. Even if
Speaker 5: I know they don't want to hear it, I still
Speaker 5: tell them about it, you know, like I still mentioning it.
Speaker 5: I won't force it on them, but I will just
Speaker 5: mention it if they want more information than I give
Speaker 5: them more information, you know. I think the morning can
Speaker 5: sometimes make us proclaim a preacher talk or just witness
Speaker 5: to other people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, spots On spot on. Well, we
Speaker 4: we do have the next part of this beautiful beatitude,
Speaker 4: which is God's God, which is what God promises to
Speaker 4: do for us. He says, those who moan they shall
Speaker 4: be comforted. I love that. It's not they might be,
Speaker 4: but they shall be comfortent. This is guaranteed. But the
Speaker 4: question here is what does it mean to be comfortent?
Speaker 4: How are those who who moan? How are they those
Speaker 4: who moans spiritually? How are they comfortable? So we do
Speaker 4: a bit of a quick die into the word there
Speaker 4: from morning it's actually it's actually uh two words that
Speaker 4: comes together. From one. It's the the word power, which
Speaker 4: means alongside from where we we of course you have
Speaker 4: was like parachute in the English and so on that
Speaker 4: coming with parachute paralegal, so the word para and the
Speaker 4: second one, kalaios kalo, is to call. So in actuality,
Speaker 4: the word the word here that is really comforted means
Speaker 4: to call alongside or to be close to four K
Speaker 4: what's important for social coision?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 4: That for me is absolutely beautiful because there are times
Speaker 4: when you go through situations and circumstances and it feels
Speaker 4: like you are absolutely alone mm hm, and you feel
Speaker 4: lost and you're wondering how am I going to get
Speaker 4: some help here? But hair is God's promise. And by
Speaker 4: the way, when uh Jesus speaks in John sixteen, and
Speaker 4: he said I will tell you all the comfort the
Speaker 4: same wood is usual and well we know it's paraclytoss.
Speaker 4: It's the same root would So it's someone who comes
Speaker 4: alongside you. I wanted to get this. Guys comes alongside
Speaker 4: you and does life with you. So when when when
Speaker 4: God says heir, they they shall be comforting. God is
Speaker 4: basically saying the level of comfort that you will receive.
Speaker 4: I want use you to know that it's the level
Speaker 4: of comfort whereby you won't be doing this alone. You
Speaker 4: won't be doing this alone. Now, there is no English
Speaker 4: would actually captures the meaning of paracalio. Here's the reason
Speaker 4: you would notice Heir I said, it's coming alongside okay
Speaker 4: and support, but we have the English would comfort him.
Speaker 4: So no English would actually can really give you it
Speaker 4: in full. Comfort is the closest that we come to. However,
Speaker 4: the meaning is determined by the context. And I want
Speaker 4: to share with you a few passages in the Bible
Speaker 4: where the saybold is used, and you will see where
Speaker 4: the context determines the meaning.
Speaker 2: So in.
Speaker 4: Yes, So when Jesus had entered Kapanam, the Bible said
Speaker 4: the centurially came to him. So we have heard a
Speaker 4: story of the centurion who comes to Jesus asking for her,
Speaker 4: but tially came to him. The phrase there came to
Speaker 4: him is the same word paracaleo. So asking for her,
Speaker 4: he said, my servant lives at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.
Speaker 4: So the centurion, we could say, parakalo Jesus, so he'd
Speaker 4: you near to Christ physically. And we have million of
Speaker 4: the word. Again the context give it to us. Here
Speaker 4: is an order example in Matthew chapter two on was eighteen,
Speaker 4: Matti says, the voice is heard in Rama weeping and
Speaker 4: great morning, Rachel wheeping for her children and refusing to
Speaker 4: be comforted because they are no more.
Speaker 1: And the word here is, of.
Speaker 4: Course, if it means to come by, to come to,
Speaker 4: to come by someone, to call be called by someone,
Speaker 4: it means she's refusing anyone to come close to her
Speaker 4: to bring her social support or social comfort. All right now,
Speaker 4: The reason I deliberately chose those two verses just to
Speaker 4: rebring it up is you just explained to us here
Speaker 4: that the context determines the million of the word. So
Speaker 4: it's a word when used in h in a feed
Speaker 4: physical sense, like the centurion literally came close to so
Speaker 4: It's like you're walking on the road and a friend
Speaker 4: comes close by you to say hi or to work
Speaker 4: with you. That the same wood is you. That's the millionaire.
Speaker 4: In the context of Rachel weeping for her children, you
Speaker 4: lost a loved one, people come by you, they come
Speaker 4: close to you to bring comfort. That is from a
Speaker 4: social context. Here in our second beatitude, the context is spiritual,
Speaker 4: and I want us to get this guy. Contact is spiritual.
Speaker 4: So blessed are those who moan, for they will be comforted.
Speaker 4: And again the beatitude is this spiritual from dash Jesus
Speaker 4: sets for this phenomenal sermon that he preaches.
Speaker 1: So in matthith five, Parachalo is literally get.
Speaker 4: This is literally God coming to our side so that
Speaker 4: we can receive care, support and social cohesion spiritually, spiritually.
Speaker 4: Now this excites me, and I'll tell you why. I'll
Speaker 4: tell you why it's excites me because irrespective of what
Speaker 4: I go through or where I am, keep in mind
Speaker 4: that the the blessing, the macaraos, the spiritual untouch ability
Speaker 4: is you being comforted in other words, in other words,
Speaker 4: in other words, when you experience that spiritual spiritual grief,
Speaker 4: that spiritual than God is saying here I will come, Yeah, you,
Speaker 4: I will come alongside you. When I have placed my
Speaker 4: purpose in your heart and you are pursuing it as
Speaker 4: a result of this spiritual grief, when you have understood
Speaker 4: MY calling on your life and you are positioning yourself
Speaker 4: for it as a result of that spiritual grief, when
Speaker 4: you have loved and you have your heart is bleeding
Speaker 4: for me, and you are in prayer and you are
Speaker 4: pursuing me, and you are asking for blessings even on
Speaker 4: your enemies. He's saying, I not only will I come
Speaker 4: near you, but might coming near you is to provide
Speaker 4: you the level of spiritual comfort that you need, the
Speaker 4: strength that you need, the anointing that you need, the
Speaker 4: blessing that you need, the thing that you need so
Speaker 4: that you can accomplish whatever it is that I have
Speaker 4: set on your heart as it relates to what you're
Speaker 4: moaning about.
Speaker 1: So the morning is not just moaning just to be comforted. No,
Speaker 1: the comfort is coming so.
Speaker 4: That, by God's grace, you are able to leave that
Speaker 4: life of fulfillment, that life where you are. You are
Speaker 4: deliberately embacking on what God has called you to. And
Speaker 4: guess what. Guess what? Guys, because it is McCarry yours,
Speaker 4: because you are it is you being spiritually unforchable when
Speaker 4: God himself comes by to give you that level of
Speaker 4: spiritual comfort as what was sweet about it? Do you
Speaker 4: you remember when Paul was in prison on death row
Speaker 4: and Emperor Never was getting ready to put him to death.
Speaker 4: It is the final letter to Timothy that the very
Speaker 4: last letter he writes is second Timothy in second Team
Speaker 4: of chapter four from the sixth down all starts by saying,
Speaker 4: I am now listen. He's about to die, the most
Speaker 4: gruesome death from one of the worst emperors who leave.
Speaker 4: He knew it, but he says, I'm now ready to
Speaker 4: be offered. At the time of my departure is at hand.
Speaker 4: I have thought a good fight, I have finished my course,
Speaker 4: I have kept the fifth and I know there is
Speaker 4: from you a front of righteousness, that level of comfort
Speaker 4: where you are able to even look in the face
Speaker 4: of danger, in the face of disappointment, in the face
Speaker 4: of obstacles. But God comes to give you this comfort.
Speaker 4: He gives you this assurance, is certainty that what He
Speaker 4: has called you to is not something that will fail.
Speaker 4: What he has called you to is something that is
Speaker 4: going to succeed, so he settles you spiritually despite what Listen, guys,
Speaker 4: this for me is just absolutely mind blowing when you
Speaker 4: really think of what God is here talking about. So
Speaker 4: let me just share this and then I'm happy to
Speaker 4: open up to get some feel back from from your hair.
Speaker 4: So it's another spiritual comfort. What Christ is saying here
Speaker 4: is that you have the certainty that in your spiritual
Speaker 4: needs will be met. That's why I will buy to
Speaker 4: comfort you. And in terms of your specality has been met.
Speaker 4: I am coming by with everything you need. So even
Speaker 4: when you might be alone and feeling like you're this
Speaker 4: this willderness place, I am coming back with everything you need.
Speaker 4: There is the thing, one of the mistakes we make,
Speaker 4: and I'm guilty of it, is that sometimes when we
Speaker 4: when we feel the pressure is too much and the
Speaker 4: challenge is that too much, we back off or we
Speaker 4: try to fix things ourselves. Listen to me. You pursue
Speaker 4: God with that heart of spiritual moaning, and He's saying,
Speaker 4: I will bring you comfort. I will bring you peace,
Speaker 4: I will bring you safety, I will bring you satisfaction.
Speaker 4: I will get you to the point where you will
Speaker 4: receive absolutely everything that you need in order for your
Speaker 4: spiritual growth to continue, in order for your spiritual purpose
Speaker 4: to be realize. H And I guess, I guess want
Speaker 4: to open up a little bit here. Of course, the
Speaker 4: requirement is a lot of the commiss for us to
Speaker 4: meet those who would so we are responsible for pursuing
Speaker 4: that morning to prayer, to opening up ourselves to the
Speaker 4: world of God through listening to the conviction of the
Speaker 4: Holy Spirit. But God says, when it comes through the
Speaker 4: spiritual benefit, I provide it. And if I provide it,
Speaker 4: no one can take it away from you. No one
Speaker 4: can take it away from you. Let me, let me
Speaker 4: just open up just to get some feedback from you, guys.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw it over to Malember, our bodying pastor.
Speaker 3: I'm troubling you what what's what's your take on this?
Speaker 3: And then we can see if Angie and Petro want
Speaker 3: to chime in.
Speaker 8: Okay. It's interesting, honestly seeing how God comforts us when
Speaker 8: we are going through things that seem to be tough
Speaker 8: in life. He just as a way of comforting us,
Speaker 8: be it socially, when things are not going right, he
Speaker 8: would send a friend to just give you hope of
Speaker 8: the future, or hope that something good will happen. You know,
Speaker 8: sometimes you try and apply for a job and you
Speaker 8: don't get your preferred job. You feel so sad. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and then a few months down the line, he blesses
Speaker 8: you with a much better job than the one you
Speaker 8: wanted earlier. He comforts you even in such moments. It's
Speaker 8: not just grief of the lost one. Morning can be
Speaker 8: in anything. We've learned that it can be any parts
Speaker 8: of our lives that we feel low, physically, spiritually, even socially,
Speaker 8: if I should add. And so it's amazing how God
Speaker 8: comforts as like he pays detail to the little things
Speaker 8: that make us happy, to the little little things that
Speaker 8: we don't even think he does, but he really really does.
Speaker 8: You lose a loved one, you have no idea how
Speaker 8: you move on, you know. I remember one time going
Speaker 8: to a funeral our church member back Homing Zambia lost
Speaker 8: their husband and she was a dockerst leader at the time,
Speaker 8: and so that people at the church were so sad
Speaker 8: for her because she lost the husband. And so when
Speaker 8: we went to the funeral house, instead of people encouraging her,
Speaker 8: she started encouraging people and everybody was amazed. It's not
Speaker 8: because she didn't feel the pain, but she knows who
Speaker 8: she believes in, and people take grief differently. In that
Speaker 8: moment after today, she says, I don't know how I
Speaker 8: managed to stay strong all this time, but I know
Speaker 8: God was with me through the journey. And now it's
Speaker 8: been many years down the line and everybody shares that story.
Speaker 8: That's why I can even say it here. And so
Speaker 8: we find that even when we lose a loved one,
Speaker 8: only God can help us get over the grief, because
Speaker 8: it is not easy for us to do it on
Speaker 8: our own. And his promises are sure. He told us
Speaker 8: in the Bible that I will send you a comforter,
Speaker 8: and He surely surely does comfort us. Now there's one comment, sorry,
Speaker 8: that I wanted to make earlier. I'm gonna make it
Speaker 8: just now. Many of us want to be comforted in
Speaker 8: any way. But we don't want to be the ones
Speaker 8: experiencing the morning. We don't want to be the ones
Speaker 8: to experience the loss of a loved one. We don't
Speaker 8: to be the ones to experience a loss of a job.
Speaker 8: We don't to be the ones to experience a loss
Speaker 8: of anything valuable. Yet we want the pegs of it.
Speaker 8: We want God to come through for us. You see
Speaker 8: how God blesss other people with something much better, but
Speaker 8: we never ask them what is it that they lost
Speaker 8: to get better. I'm not saying you can only get
Speaker 8: better when you lose something, but the Verse is telling
Speaker 8: us that blessed are those who want for they will
Speaker 8: be comforted. And so you look at your friend who
Speaker 8: has been comforted in one way, and you want the comfort,
Speaker 8: but you don't want to go through the morning process.
Speaker 8: It's it's like it's a journey. It's a two way thing.
Speaker 8: You will go through the morning part and then the
Speaker 8: comfort comes. It's like one thing to have this powerful
Speaker 8: testimony when you don't want to go through the teste.
Speaker 8: Somebody said there's no testimony without the taste, and so
Speaker 8: you are tested in one way or another and then
Speaker 8: you emerge victorious and negated testimony. Similarly, you go through
Speaker 8: a morning phase of your life and because God's promises,
Speaker 8: sure you are blessed because you are moaning, He's definitely
Speaker 8: coming through to comfort you. That's what I would That's
Speaker 8: been my take on.
Speaker 3: This man man, Thank you Alamba Andrew Petro.
Speaker 7: Just follow going for what Malemba was saying, it's something
Speaker 7: I was thinking about earlier in terms of wanting not
Speaker 7: Sometimes we don't necessarily want to go through something, but
Speaker 7: we have the perks. I remember my dad passed away,
Speaker 7: and you know, it was inevitable. He'd been ill, and
Speaker 7: it was inevitable that he was going to he was
Speaker 7: going to die, and I remember praying to God just
Speaker 7: for the acceptance that that's going to happen. I wasn't
Speaker 7: necessarily saying to take away the fact that I'm going
Speaker 7: to be really sad, devastated, everything else, but I really
Speaker 7: just wanted the acceptance. And I remember having a dream
Speaker 7: and I was holding his hand, and I remember in
Speaker 7: the dream he was just slipping away, but he was saying,
Speaker 7: it's going to be okay. And I really remember thinking
Speaker 7: afterwards that was God's way of showing me that actually
Speaker 7: I am with you. I'm going to bring you some comfort.
Speaker 7: You know, devastating experiences I've had in my life, but
Speaker 7: that's what I prayed for. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 7: as years have gone past, sometimes you don't want, you
Speaker 7: don't want to go through these sad things, but sometimes
Speaker 7: you have to accept that these things maybe evitable. But
Speaker 7: it's asking for that sort of either understanding the acceptance
Speaker 7: or you know, recognizing that, Okay, I'm going through something,
Speaker 7: but I need your help. And I just kind of
Speaker 7: always and again, as Pedro was saying, sometimes you can
Speaker 7: share your experience, you have a testimony and what have you.
Speaker 7: And I've often shared that story because for me, it
Speaker 7: was a direct answer to my prayers that I'm going
Speaker 7: to go through an experience. I can't do anything about it,
Speaker 7: but I've accepted it and I'm going to be okay.
Speaker 7: And I definitely got an answer to that prayer and
Speaker 7: I can share that, and you know, sometimes people say, well,
Speaker 7: how did you go through something like that? How are
Speaker 7: you able to kind of make it through?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 7: And I'm like, well, you know, I've got I have
Speaker 7: a I have a belief and a faith in God
Speaker 7: that he promises that he will be with me. He promises.
Speaker 7: And it's interesting whether the Greek word there is talking
Speaker 7: about being by your side. The comfort is not just
Speaker 7: you know from a distance, He's right there with you.
Speaker 7: And I believe that's what happened for me, and that's
Speaker 7: something that I can share with others as well.
Speaker 3: Man and Petrick before you may want to jump in.
Speaker 4: Just for me.
Speaker 3: Is like you've said, it's it's it's been willing to
Speaker 3: even in terms of spiritual loss, it's been it's being
Speaker 3: willing to acknowledge that you are nothing, I am nothing,
Speaker 3: I am lost. It's that acknowledging that I am lost,
Speaker 3: or I have lost someone, I am broken, I am hurting.
Speaker 3: It's acknowledging that and recognizing that there is something on
Speaker 3: the other side of that, something wonderful, something better, as
Speaker 3: Malember has said. And sometimes it's hard to think that
Speaker 3: because all you can see is the loss, or all
Speaker 3: you can see is the pain or and I mean
Speaker 3: we're talking about losing anything, and also we're talking about
Speaker 3: spiritual grief or mourning. So it's acknowledging that I am
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing. I can't do this. And if we don't
Speaker 3: acknowledge that, then we're not making room for him to
Speaker 3: to fill us, to comfort us. If we are operating
Speaker 3: like we're self sufficient, Hm, where where is his place.
Speaker 9: In all this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: That's very true.
Speaker 2: You know what, what what does he do?
Speaker 3: If we can do it all, if we are if
Speaker 3: we can operate on our own, if we can we
Speaker 3: can accomplish it by ourselves, and Malemba said that in
Speaker 3: her point previously. It's it's it's not not attempting to
Speaker 3: do it by ourselves, you know, because if we attempt
Speaker 3: to do it by ourselves, we're going to make a
Speaker 3: mess of it. It's recognizing that we need him. We
Speaker 3: need him to accomplish our purpose past you said it,
Speaker 3: we need it for us to fulfill our mission here.
Speaker 3: And ultimately our mission is to spread the Gospel, you know.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's the end game. If I should borrow that phase,
Speaker 3: that's the endgame. Our mission is to spread the Gospel
Speaker 3: and hasten His coming. But we won't accomplish that or
Speaker 3: any other thing unless we recognize we are empty vessels.
Speaker 3: That's really what's hit me tonight. We're empty vessels in
Speaker 3: need of him. We're broken vessels. Whether we are broken
Speaker 3: because we've lost loved ones, and Lord Jesus, I pray
Speaker 3: because I know that that is a painful position to
Speaker 3: be in. I've experienced that suddenly, you know, palpitations, loss
Speaker 3: of breath, just you're here today, gone tomorrow what and
Speaker 3: just not knowing where to go and what to do,
Speaker 3: and recognizing that I could not do it I could
Speaker 3: not get to the other side but for his grace,
Speaker 3: his mercy and his love.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sorry for me.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say for me, you guys pretty much
Speaker 5: touched on everything that I was thinking in a sense,
Speaker 5: and then some some stuff I wasn't thinking.
Speaker 2: For me, I guess only.
Speaker 5: I'm actually gonna just say one instead of saying the
Speaker 5: word comfort, I'll just from everything that we just spoke about,
Speaker 5: I just take it as reassurance m hm mm.
Speaker 2: Hmm and leave it at that m hmm for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, bless bless there is there is something you said,
Speaker 4: Lilia Pedro and you you I think it was either
Speaker 4: yourself or who spoke on it as well, And there's
Speaker 4: it's that the process of morning, while it's uncomfortable, it's
Speaker 4: a blessing. And one of the reasons that it's a
Speaker 4: blessing is because God will allow persons to come your
Speaker 4: way whom you can minister, so you can empathize with
Speaker 4: them simply because you've gone through that that journey before
Speaker 4: seven Conscience the one, three and four mixed a very
Speaker 4: very very interesting point. It mentions that the same word comfort,
Speaker 4: the same Greek would is used us. It mentions it
Speaker 4: all times, and I wanted to see how how poor
Speaker 4: brings it to a close. He says, crazy. Be to
Speaker 4: the God and Father of our love, Jesus Christ, the
Speaker 4: Father of compassion and the God of all comfort. So
Speaker 4: God praises a lot you expect of what you're going
Speaker 4: through our ho abilities is the God of all comfort.
Speaker 4: He comes close to us to journey and to work
Speaker 4: with us, who comforts us in all our troubles. Hallelujah.
Speaker 4: But here's why He does it, so that we can
Speaker 4: comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves
Speaker 4: receive from God.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 4: So so we don't go through things idly. So you
Speaker 4: guys don't know. I'm currently recovering from severe depression. It's
Speaker 4: one of the absolute worst experiences in my life. And
Speaker 4: a few months ago I was saying to one of
Speaker 4: my purses while we were at prayer meeting, and I'm
Speaker 4: borrowing your your your your words, Pedro. It sounds I
Speaker 4: said something a little bit crazy, but I told them
Speaker 4: and I mean it with all of my hat. That
Speaker 4: why I hated the experience. I'm grateful to God for it.
Speaker 4: I'm grateful to God for it. It has allowed me
Speaker 4: to see, to see colors I did no existent. It
Speaker 4: has allowed me to heir to heir notes I didn't
Speaker 4: know what being sun when when people now speak, I
Speaker 4: am able to see a little bit more what the
Speaker 4: experience is. And in my capacity as a pastor, my
Speaker 4: ministry has changed dramatically as a result. And and so
Speaker 4: it's like as a result of what I went through.
Speaker 4: Sometimes when I see people and I hear what they're saying,
Speaker 4: I begin to experience that spiritual morning and I have
Speaker 4: this desire or Lord, please help me so that I
Speaker 4: could help this person, or rather, God please help that
Speaker 4: listen now, And somehow the Lord brings that comfort and
Speaker 4: I'm able to minister to those people. And on a
Speaker 4: number of occasions sometimes I feel like I wish I
Speaker 4: could have done more. But then when they come back
Speaker 4: and they say, oh, Pastor, you know that day that
Speaker 4: you call it, that day that you prayer, that day
Speaker 4: that you preach this particular message has what did for me?
Speaker 4: This whole, this whole invitation to moan. While moaning and
Speaker 4: grieving is not nice, spiritual moaning and breathing is something
Speaker 4: we need. It is something we need, and so opening
Speaker 4: up ourselves to go and here's a guarantee of giving you.
Speaker 4: The more you open up yourself to go but you
Speaker 4: make yourself vulnerable to God, the more God is going
Speaker 4: to expose you to more of his will. He will
Speaker 4: open up your eyes, open up your heart, allow you
Speaker 4: to partake in his own sufferings. The more you will
Speaker 4: experience that spiritual moaning and grieving. And guess what, that's okay.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't okay, he would not have said in
Speaker 4: the second beatitude.
Speaker 2: And there is a.
Speaker 4: Blessing pronounce on those who go through that experience. And
Speaker 4: the guarantee here is I will come alongside you. You're
Speaker 4: not doing this alone. I'm coming alongside you. I'm prepared
Speaker 4: to give you absolutely everything you need as long as
Speaker 4: you keep trusting in me, relying on me, and keeping
Speaker 4: your faith in me. I have everything that you need,
Speaker 4: not only to experience the comfort, but for you to
Speaker 4: be a blessing as well, for you to be a
Speaker 4: blessing as well. I I want to thank you guys
Speaker 4: so much for the privilege of being here again. And
Speaker 4: I'm sure, well I'm not sure whether or not you
Speaker 4: have any any final take, anything at all that you
Speaker 4: would love to share, but I think for me in
Speaker 4: terms of the time, I'm pretty much call there any
Speaker 4: questions or in the last comments, I'm passing it on
Speaker 4: to you now.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Pastionic, and again I can't say
Speaker 3: it enough. You have really just given us a fresh
Speaker 3: perspective on this and we are looking forward to to
Speaker 3: concluding the the series with you and perhaps looking again.
Speaker 3: I'm throwing it out there, Pastink as schedule would say,
Speaker 3: need to be bold with it. We're looking forward to
Speaker 3: doing another Bible study with you. Just say it in
Speaker 3: the next few months hopefully.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was going to say that around.
Speaker 3: We book you for another Bible study session in the
Speaker 3: next few months.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, I'm sure we can do.
Speaker 2: We can.
Speaker 3: Perfect, we really are.
Speaker 2: We'd actually need to get him on. We actually need
Speaker 2: to get him off when we do the mental health.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he just what he just for what he
Speaker 3: just taught us, if he's wanting to, if he's wanting to.
Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to put you on the spot,
Speaker 5: Past the Nick, I apologize. I'm just because I think
Speaker 5: as men, I think it's men we don't we do
Speaker 5: not admit when we are we have issues, that we
Speaker 5: have problems and we and we. I've always said that, like,
Speaker 5: I have no regrets on nothing that's happened in my
Speaker 5: life because whatever's happened in my life is made me
Speaker 5: who I am today and has allowed me to understand
Speaker 5: other people and other things that's going on that when
Speaker 5: I talk to them, they actually can see the transparency
Speaker 5: or they can see that I'm actually coming from a
Speaker 5: place of knowledge that I've been through it, because I
Speaker 5: think sometimes if you talk to somebody you've never been
Speaker 5: through it, they just kind of dismiss you because they're like,
Speaker 5: you know, he's just he's just talking. He's just you know,
Speaker 5: he's just saying whatever you know, or he's just saying
Speaker 5: a Bible verse because he's saying a Bible verse. And
Speaker 5: I think what you just said is so as a male,
Speaker 5: I just think that is so good here that a
Speaker 5: male you know, can be honest and then say.
Speaker 4: I'll say three three things in three three words to
Speaker 4: what you just said. That perpetual when it comes to
Speaker 4: even talking about Initially, for me, it was a bit
Speaker 4: of of you know, you don't really want to open up.
Speaker 4: But I've realized transparency mm hmm, authenticity and and and
Speaker 4: just just being genuine and organic as you listen that
Speaker 4: level of honesty and openness about where you are, what
Speaker 4: your struggles have been, and have God come through for you.
Speaker 4: It resonates a lot more with people than when you
Speaker 4: you put a given, nice, funnished vision of the gospel.
Speaker 2: Definitely, and as a pastor.
Speaker 5: You know, people don't think pastor suffer, but I grew
Speaker 5: up as a pastor kid and I seen my father
Speaker 5: suffer and struggle, and so it just resonated with me
Speaker 5: when you said that, what you just talked about, because
Speaker 5: it just brought back what I used to see as
Speaker 5: a child. Because they think, you know, you're the pastor,
Speaker 5: so there's nothing wrong with you. You know, God has
Speaker 5: got you. So you're you're okay, You're gonna be fine,
Speaker 5: You're all right. You know, you're just praying to be
Speaker 5: all over with and done with. You know, God would
Speaker 5: just snap a finger and your you know, you're you're healed.
Speaker 5: And it's not always that simple. No, I mean, God, God,
Speaker 5: God can't bring God can't bring you out of it.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't always happen in the timeframe that you
Speaker 5: think it should happen.
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, now we're already phip the discussion, but I
Speaker 4: know I would be very very happy to to join
Speaker 4: you guys for the conversation. And there's a lot that
Speaker 4: I would love to share about it, especially from a
Speaker 4: theological that as a result of going through what I
Speaker 4: went through, I have lit the lots where that subject
Speaker 4: is concerned in the context of the Bible.
Speaker 2: So what happened to you?
Speaker 3: I was just going to add to that page, and
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for interrupting. I thinks a little bit. It
Speaker 3: goes beyond even the pastor it goes to what we
Speaker 3: think of Christians church goers. You know, we we have
Speaker 3: this disillusion that that once.
Speaker 2: We have a relationship with but you know, because the
Speaker 2: past is the head of the church. I was talking.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't trying to downplay the just I'm saying it
Speaker 5: for the people that's listening. I wasn't trying to downplay
Speaker 5: the other folks or other people.
Speaker 9: No, no, I know you're not.
Speaker 2: But I was just talking perfectly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also adding to that because not only do
Speaker 3: we think that have past us, but there are some
Speaker 3: who think that because you're a Christian, or because you're
Speaker 3: God fearing, you can't go through struggle. And I was
Speaker 3: also going to add to that or cement that with
Speaker 3: the study that we've had or the studies we've had,
Speaker 3: it just exemplifies that or it gives us that reassurance
Speaker 3: that sometimes you have to go through it. And I
Speaker 3: take the sometimes away we've got to go through it
Speaker 3: and to see the blessing on the other side. Definitely,
Speaker 3: that really is the essence of the study here that
Speaker 3: we've done. Are so far in the beatitude spiritually and otherwise.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my final thought. I might as well
Speaker 3: throw that in there. Malember Angie. There is time for
Speaker 3: about a minute for your your final thoughts on this
Speaker 3: before we close with a prayer.
Speaker 8: It's been very interesting and exciting. Honestly, I have loved
Speaker 8: the discussion. Thank you so much, Pastonic for the insights.
Speaker 8: Blessed that does that mourn for they will be comforted.
Speaker 8: My takeaway of my final thoughts that we need to
Speaker 8: be grateful to God when we go through sad moments
Speaker 8: or moments that we can consider morning periods, because it's
Speaker 8: in such that God is going to eventually comfort us.
Speaker 8: We see His goodness regardless of what we go through,
Speaker 8: and we need to mourn for ourselves for our lives.
Speaker 8: Need to grieve for ourselves. We need to pray for ourselves.
Speaker 8: We need to pray for God to protect us from
Speaker 8: sin because we're in this world and we basically just
Speaker 8: let's take care of each other. Let's always look out
Speaker 8: for our friends. We learned of how we need to
Speaker 8: take care of the list of these in our communities.
Speaker 8: Let us live like Christ lived and to share in
Speaker 8: his saffering just like he did, to be sympathetic and empathetic,
Speaker 8: and that way we will really live like Christians should live,
Speaker 8: because then we are living like Christ lived. And just
Speaker 8: remember that you won't always be loved, because even Jesus
Speaker 8: Christ was not loved as much as he is God,
Speaker 8: and he came to his own and his own denied him.
Speaker 8: Not everybody will love us. But because we are Christians
Speaker 8: and we are living in accordance to God's will, we
Speaker 8: will go through moments that will be hectic for us,
Speaker 8: moments that we can cause suffering or morning. But they
Speaker 8: assurance I will get that way from Pedro, not just comforting.
Speaker 8: There's assurance that at the end of whatever we are
Speaker 8: going through, Jesus Christ, God is always there with us.
Speaker 8: His promises are sure. He tells us that he will
Speaker 8: never leave us nor forsake us. So regardless of what
Speaker 8: we go through, should remember that if we have faith
Speaker 8: and believe, you will be there with us through our journey.
Speaker 2: And I'm the world was reassurance and that assurance, but
Speaker 2: I'm not trying.
Speaker 8: To be okay.
Speaker 2: To clarify that.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, I was just going to sound much more,
Speaker 7: but I can add on to that. But I think
Speaker 7: one of the things I did take away from this
Speaker 7: especially and again thank you past to Nick for breaking
Speaker 7: this down for us, is also how it feeds into
Speaker 7: our mission to spread God's word, because when we are
Speaker 7: experiencing experience in the spiritual mourning, that's when we become
Speaker 7: sensitive to the things that you know, God mourns for.
Speaker 7: We will be caring about those things and the things
Speaker 7: that people and what people are around us who are suffering,
Speaker 7: not going the right path, et cetera. And that will
Speaker 7: be our opportunity to try and make a difference in
Speaker 7: their lives. And I think, you know, in terms of
Speaker 7: then achieving that level of mourning that we can feed
Speaker 7: into to to then receive that level of comfort. But
Speaker 7: we're also spreading, you know, talking about his words, spreading
Speaker 7: his gospel, et cetera as well. So I think it's
Speaker 7: you know how, it's really interesting to see how it
Speaker 7: links into really the mission about what you know, on
Speaker 7: our purpose of what we're cal to do. So that's
Speaker 7: one of the things I've taken from that today.
Speaker 3: Well, I truly hope that you have been blessed. Thank you, Angie,
Speaker 3: Thank you Pastor Nick. Again, Pajo, why don't you close
Speaker 3: us out with a prayer? I think our time is
Speaker 3: fast close us out, well, he prayed twice. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm asking you to close us up, because you do
Speaker 3: it so well. You should not mind. Now you're the closer.
Speaker 2: I was about here having heavny.
Speaker 5: Father, we thank you for bringing us to another ending
Speaker 5: of a talking point that was enlightening, encouraging and reassuring
Speaker 5: and comforting.
Speaker 2: We ask Lord that you are now be with us
Speaker 2: as we go through this week.
Speaker 5: A lot of the words that has been spoken out
Speaker 5: of our mouths and the words that people are hearing,
Speaker 5: that we'll be able to use those in our daily
Speaker 5: lives going forward. Then we'll be able to understand the
Speaker 5: comfort and the suffering and the mourn, that we may
Speaker 5: feel that God will be there to protect this. God
Speaker 5: will be there to comforters, and he will be there
Speaker 5: to help us through those times of troubles. We ask
Speaker 5: Lord to j will be of each and every one
Speaker 5: of us again as we start this week and as
Speaker 5: we going to the evening, we ask the Jill just
Speaker 5: be with us and break us up the next morning
Speaker 5: in our right minds and then our right spirits, that
Speaker 5: we may continue to serve you. Thank you love for everything,
Speaker 5: and for your love and your grace for this uprating
Speaker 5: your holy name.
Speaker 3: Amen, Amen, Thank you.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 3: It's good night, and God bless from me Daniel for
Speaker 3: me Angela.
Speaker 8: Good night from Mulamba and good night from Pedro.
Speaker 3: Doubless you and see you again next time a.
Speaker 10: Bye.
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