1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Krin the Podcast. I'm Delia. 2 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:15,599 I'm one of your co hosts, and I'm here with 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,760 my real tight homegirl and my daughter in law, one 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,320 of the loves of my life. 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,559 Speaker 2: Wow, Bed, that's me. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: We are here to talk sister wives. Honey. We are 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,840 currently going through the Browns Akashic records. We've got our 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,200 monocles out and we're taking a look at this family 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,439 of dgens to see what they're up to in season eight. 10 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:47,039 And apparently some anthropologists are joining us in the observation, 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,880 and so shit's getting good. 12 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:49,359 Speaker 2: Yes. 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,079 Speaker 1: Now, before we get into our recap, we do have 14 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:56,520 to issue you a strongly worded disclaimer. If you don't 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,560 hide your wife and hide your kids, I cannot guarante 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,400 say no, this isn't irreverent podcast. 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: Literally, we just show up. 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: I have booze, she's been faping. We're just here to 19 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:13,159 shit on the Browns. We're real, we use bad words, 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,640 we have dumb opinions, and so if you're. 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:25,599 Speaker 2: The same for you, you. 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Might want to find yourself another dumpster, Nie. But if 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,120 you're ready to get the report from the anthropologists, then 24 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:31,519 welcome to this dumpster. 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: And if you think anthropologists should come and visit our 26 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,599 podcast and study us, be sure to follow us on 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,200 Instagram at Reality tv Cringe and join us on Patreon, 28 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:44,159 patroon dot com sash reality TV Grine. You get access 29 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:46,480 to all of our weekly episodes ad free. We have 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,200 bonus content up on there, and it's a party. 31 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a total party. I think next month 32 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:59,640 we're going to be reviewing and recapping mcalt's recent interview, 33 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,519 the Cults of Consciousness interview that she did, and so 34 00:02:03,519 --> 00:02:05,959 we're going to cover that on Patreon. And we're also 35 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,840 continuing with Vage one couples Therapy, and we are concluding 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,159 Little Women of Motherfucker La. Yes, so definitely join us. 37 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:16,840 It's also the best way to support us. Now, if 38 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,919 you are watching on YouTube, please do not forget to 39 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:23,719 like and comment and share and subscribe, and also throw. 40 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: Your girls the high. Yeah we could use a high. Please. 41 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,879 Speaker 1: Every little thing you do helps us in the algorithm, allegedly, 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,199 and so thank you. 43 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:35,479 Speaker 2: In thank you vagress. 44 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: Have we hit six thousand yet? 45 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we are edging so hard. It's five point 46 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:43,319 ninety eight show series. 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: I have to check for myself because I think you're 48 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,919 lying to me as dead as I feel like we've 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,080 been in this loop. Yes, five point seven and higher 50 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:53,199 for three years. 51 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: What's going on YouTube? I did see it go up 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,879 to five point nine to nine one day and then 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,599 it went down. 54 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: To five point bitch as who was? 55 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:03,199 Speaker 2: So whoever unsubscribed? Who was? 56 00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm coming for you as soon as I find out, 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,919 I'm coming for you, you bitch. Anyway, before we get 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,080 into it, do we want to talk takeaways? Did you 59 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:13,639 have any girl? 60 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: My takeaway is these anthropology students are dumb. Why that's it. 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,120 They're academics, They're dumb academists. At the end of the episode, 62 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,039 just being like, Wow, it was like such a great 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,599 family and I can't tell Cody has a favorite at all. 64 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Eleez, Well, my takeaway is that I am getting 65 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,080 a little bit excited. Of course, the last episode of 66 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,599 this season is next week, and this is the legal divorce, 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,759 which we kind of touch upon at the end of 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,319 this episode, but we can really kind of sense and 69 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,639 get into the vibration of the conflict between Mary and Janelle. Yep, 70 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:55,319 how long standing that is, how problematic it is, and 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,520 I just can't wait to go to therapy and dig 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,599 into it. 73 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: Very good stuff, very good. 74 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So, without further ato, let's get into our recap 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,000 of Sister Wives Season eight, episode. 76 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: Seven, six six and touttled first a verdict, then a lawyer. Okay, 77 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:16,680 so I guess that's referencing Mary at the end of 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,199 the episode. Yes, But we start the episode like resuming 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,839 the conversation between Cody, Janelle, Garrison, and Gabe because they 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,079 got in a big old fight last week and Cody 81 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,720 and Janelle were quick to blame Garrison for it. But 82 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:34,240 then we have to have paid and come in and 83 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:37,120 tell us the truth, which is that Gabe is a 84 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,759 big old liar and he punched Garrison first and so 85 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,120 therefore he started it, and so then Gabe gets in 86 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:47,040 trouble kind of, but it's like a typical younger sibling 87 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,000 punishment where it's like, I guess you're grounded. 88 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: Can we talk about this just for a second. Yeah, 89 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:59,360 because keep in mind, Cody and Janelle, we're going to 90 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:04,480 take away from Garrison a trip to Hawaii with his 91 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:09,439 rotc peers if they found out that Gabe was telling 92 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,000 the truth and that Garrison initiated the conflict. Yeah, so 93 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,439 when it's discovered that no, Gabe in fact started it 94 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:21,160 and was lying. His punishment was, oh, you can't play 95 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:22,759 poker night with the family. 96 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,639 Speaker 2: Tomorrow, knight, and you're grounded a little bit. 97 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:29,079 Speaker 1: Like the disparity between both punishments and like how willing 98 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:33,439 they were to take such a high value luxury away 99 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:35,959 from Garrison and then just give Gabe a slap on 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,920 the wrist really made me sagy them. 101 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's typical younger sibling, older sibling. 102 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:44,319 Speaker 1: But like, also we've been talking about it. Yeah, this 103 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,600 season and in previous seasons, it feels kind of like 104 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:49,920 sometimes they're targeting Garrison. 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was the one. It seems like that 106 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:56,199 acted out a lot more or like reacted from anger 107 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,439 as opposed to being emotional or whatever, and so I 108 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,480 think that's why they went after him a lot. Maybe 109 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,439 he triggered them a lot as parents, which doesn't make 110 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,480 it right, but it's just like it's sad to see. So, yeah, 111 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,879 it kind of pissed me off too. I'm watching this, 112 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:13,000 I'm like, Okay, Gabe basically gets a glorified slap on 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,120 the wrist, whereas Garrison was being threatened to have this 114 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,439 huge privilege taken away from him. I'm glad that the 115 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:22,160 truth came out and he ended up getting to go 116 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:25,199 to that, but he still got like reprimanded from Cody's like, 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,000 I'm still disappointed in you. You shouldn't have punched your brother. 118 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think maybe Cody was always disappointed in Garrison. 119 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:32,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 120 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,439 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, its me really. 121 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: Sad me too. And then we go back to the 122 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,360 anthropologists slash archaeologists studying the Browns, and they kind of 123 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:45,360 bought back and forth between like the different wives households. 124 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,519 So we see them going over to Robin's house because 125 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,079 little baby Solomon has to get dental surgery. And I'm 126 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,160 wondering why, because don't you have baby teeth. Maybe he's 127 00:06:57,199 --> 00:06:59,000 got an impacted babytooth or something. 128 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: It could be a palette problem. Maybe it's sucking his 129 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:04,399 thumb a lot or something. 130 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: Maybe, but Robin's worried, sick because it's her baby or whatever. 131 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,839 And Cody is spending a lot of time at Robin's 132 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:14,199 house because of the surgery. I gotta be there and 133 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,120 I gotta support Solomon for the surgery. And the anthropologists 134 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,360 totally call this out, which is really great. They get 135 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:24,040 one point they had asked Robin directly, like Cody spends 136 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,199 a lot of time with Solomon, but not a lot 137 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,160 of time with the older kids. And then Robin kind 138 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,879 of defends Cody a little bit and says, well, you know, 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,279 he's got some kids that want of a lot of 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,800 want a lot of affection from him, and some kids 141 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,399 who don't, and so he just can't push too hard 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,879 with all of them. And you know, Solomon really needs 143 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,720 to stay on because he's getting surgery and that's why. 144 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:49,319 And then she talks to the camera, which I thought 145 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,959 was kind of interesting about how she's worried about the 146 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:56,079 conclusions that some of the anthropologists are drawing about their family. 147 00:07:56,839 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: What did he about that accurate conclusions? She realizes, Oh, 148 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,480 my cover is being blown real time, and they're going 149 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,759 to articulate it and it's going to be on camera. 150 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,160 Like the entire family already knows this, that Cody is 151 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:14,360 spending more time with Robin, spending more time and showing 152 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:18,839 favoritism to Robin's children, But the risk of having outsiders 153 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:21,879 say this thing on camera for all of us is 154 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,199 what's really kind of shaking her. And I love to 155 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:24,600 see it. 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: I love it so much honestly. 157 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Well, I mean Solomon's going through something right now, so 158 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,519 of course he has to be with him. 159 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: Uh huh, okay, three weeks prior to the surgery. All right, 160 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,360 that makes sense. And then the students go over to 161 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Mary's house and they kind of have a discussion about 162 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,879 like Mary and Janelle's relationship or lack thereof, because Antonette, 163 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,759 the girl archaeologist, read the Sister Wives book and she 164 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:53,080 read that Mary and Janelle have had a lot of issues, 165 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,879 and we get to hear Mary's side of it a 166 00:08:55,879 --> 00:09:00,240 little bit, and she kind of glosses over her art 167 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:04,039 in not having a good relationship with Janelle. She kind 168 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:06,679 of is like, well, it's neither one of our faults, 169 00:09:06,759 --> 00:09:10,120 but it's lost, like we're never going to get back 170 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:13,480 to being friends or we're never ever going to reconcile. 171 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: I noticed that she said it wasn't Janelle's fault in particular, 172 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:22,600 but it wasn't my fault either. And at this age, Mary, what, 173 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,519 in your early forties, you've had sufficient time to go 174 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,120 back through the timeline and take responsibility for the fuckshit 175 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:34,120 that you did to Janelle, which is documented in this 176 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,039 first book and which you know full well that you did, 177 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:39,600 because you caused a lot of problems. And even in 178 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:42,240 the most recent season, season twenty one, we have Cody 179 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,919 saying to Janelle on his apology to or like I 180 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,919 should have protected you. Yeah, you were actually in an 181 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,960 unsafe environment when it was just you and Mary. So 182 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:54,440 Janelle knows this, Mary full well knows this, but she 183 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,799 still can't own it. 184 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: And what's interesting to me is like the archaeology students 185 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,480 will go and ask Janelle later in the episode about 186 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:07,480 her side of things, and the way that Mary and 187 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,799 Janelle both talk about the past is weird, Like Mary deflects, 188 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,320 and Mary, you know, is like, well, neither one of 189 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:16,399 us are to blame, you know, and it's just it 190 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,919 was hard back then and now we're just civil it's whatever. 191 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,679 But with Janelle, she's a little bit more like reflective 192 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,519 on it, like, well, we didn't have the resources back then. 193 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,759 We didn't have like a counselor, we didn't have anybody 194 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,360 that could be there to support us, to help us 195 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,559 learn how to navigate polygamy. We were young, you know, 196 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 there's a lot of emotions, Like Janelle at one point says, 197 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:40,399 you know, you don't realize some of the emotions you're 198 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:44,799 capable of having until you're actually in this situation, and 199 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:46,279 then you don't even know how to deal with it 200 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,519 because you don't know what you're feeling. So I thought 201 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,679 that was kind of interesting. 202 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was also great when she said, you know, 203 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,480 we didn't feel comfortable going to take our issues to 204 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,559 something like a therapist because their first thing that they 205 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,679 would highlight and blame was the system of polygamy, and 206 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:03,759 we want to protect our polygamy, so we can't go 207 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,840 to something like therapists. We have to figure it out 208 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:08,960 for ourselves. But when you are dealing with people who 209 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:15,159 are fundamentally emotionally unintelligent like that, shit just never gets resolved, 210 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:17,200 which is why you see a forty three year old 211 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:19,919 Mary about to be catfish a day, who can't take 212 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,960 responsibility for the awful things that she actually did. 213 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,799 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. And then we have Leon coming home from 214 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,200 school to meet the anthropologists, I guess, but they're also 215 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,039 on like spring break or something. We learn from Leon 216 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,960 that they've decided to not go and become a doctor. 217 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,039 They want to become a physician's assistant. So we're talking 218 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:44,360 about that, and I'm snoring and then we get into 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,759 a conversation about Leon and polygamy because Leon has definitely 220 00:11:49,159 --> 00:11:53,320 historically been the only kid to have any interest in 221 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,600 living plural marriage, and it's kind of funny because they 222 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,039 never end up doing that obviously. But we start talking 223 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,559 about like the idea of becoming a sister wife and 224 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,480 you know, what number of sister wife would you want 225 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,720 to be, And Leon is not really picky because they 226 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:09,960 don't know shit about shit at this point in time. 227 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:16,879 And then we start talking about like chastity and courtships 228 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:20,679 and waiting to have sex until they're married. And then 229 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,000 this gets into a discussion with the adults on the 230 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:29,440 couch about courtships and how long courtship should take, and 231 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Mary says, you know, it would have been great if 232 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,000 we could have had a longer courtship, Cody, like maybe 233 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,120 a couple years or something. We could have gotten to 234 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:39,399 know each other, could have learned how to be in 235 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:43,279 a relationship before we brought on other people. But it 236 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,279 was really fast. Cody agrees with this and says, yeah, 237 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,720 you know, I probably wouldn't have had as many challenges 238 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:54,279 if I had longer courtships with each of my wives. 239 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:55,440 And then we have. 240 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,759 Speaker 1: Christine immediately responding and reacting to that. She gets trug 241 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,399 right because while Cody is trying to say that he 242 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,080 hopes for his kids like we always hope better for 243 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,720 our kids, like don't do it the way that I 244 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,039 did it, do it the right way. He's trying to 245 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,120 say that I want my kids to take their time, 246 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:15,879 really meet somebody, get to know who they are before 247 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,360 you make some kind of a commitment for the rest 248 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,600 of your life. But he's also interspersing with that some 249 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:25,480 reflection of the choices that he made in his first 250 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,159 three marriages at least, And so what he's saying is, yeah, 251 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:31,240 I wish I did have that extra time, and Christine 252 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,279 immediately takes that personally. And I don't know, I was 253 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:40,120 kind of of two minds here because I think she 254 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,200 got right to the point of what he was probably 255 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,120 really saying, which was a criticism to the way that 256 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:50,039 they got together because they did not court at all. 257 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,399 She had a testimony she told him, and he married her, 258 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,480 but he never really romantically courted her, never really wanted to, 259 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:59,200 never really loved her. I don't think, and I think 260 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,399 she's in that season of their marriage right now where 261 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:04,679 this is dawning on her, especially with Annie moving into 262 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,159 the house and reflecting back to her, like Annie's choices 263 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,360 and how they mirror Christine's. And so she's getting it 264 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,120 in the moment, but at the same time, she's not 265 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,960 emotionally intelligent in how she expresses herself, Like she allows 266 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,080 herself to feel the things and hear the subliminal message, 267 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,679 but she doesn't know how in the moment to maturely 268 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:25,840 respond to it without shutting everything down. And that's annoying 269 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:27,519 to me. Yeah, does that make sense? 270 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: No? I agree, And I felt like she was very 271 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:32,720 reactive in the way that she was expressing it, whereas 272 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,399 she could have just felt that and then maybe addressed 273 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,480 it with Cody privately, not on camera. But it's Christine, 274 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:40,039 and I. 275 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Always Christine on the couch is always Christine. 276 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: And it makes sense now looking back, like why she 277 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,360 was the first one to leave, because she has kind 278 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,559 of been dropping these little easter eggs throughout the seasons 279 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,399 of how unhappy she actually is. And I could understand 280 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,679 her point with Cody saying this on TV and saying 281 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,799 it to everybody, because he is kind of referencing Christine's 282 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:08,519 courtship in particular, and I think that was really triggering 283 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:11,639 for her. But at the same time, the way it 284 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,320 came off was like a little much. And then you 285 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:18,960 have Robin trying to Cody with Speridi. That's not what 286 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,519 he's saying, Christine, this is what he actually means. I'm like, bitch, 287 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:26,360 the audacity you had how long of a courtship eleven 288 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,600 months where you guys are probably banging the entire time, 289 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Like Christine didn't have any of that. And she is realizing, 290 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:35,720 I think because Annie is living with them, because we 291 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:38,840 have a scene with Annie and the anthropologists as well 292 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:41,960 talking about her time in Belore. I loved talking about 293 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,080 her unhappy marriage. She straight up said it was easier 294 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,159 to leave the marriage than it was to leave the religion, 295 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:52,279 which was also very revealing. And I just wonder if 296 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:55,919 she's like hearing Christine talk about Cody, and she's kind 297 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,440 of dropping these little things, these little seeds to Christine 298 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,240 where she's realizing, like, oh, I could have it better. 299 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:05,679 I couldn't have my back blown out. I could have 300 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,720 a man who actually cares about me and loves me 301 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:10,279 and wants to take me out on dates and stuff 302 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,000 like hmmm. 303 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I did pick up on that with Robin, because 304 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,080 in the later seasons we have Janelle kind of calling 305 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:22,360 Robin the family therapist and the one who can interpret 306 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:25,080 what Cody means and then bring it back to the 307 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,799 rest of the family, And you could kind of really 308 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:29,399 see that in this moment and how it would feel 309 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:31,399 to the rest of the wives, some of them have 310 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,879 been married for twenty five, twenty years, fifteen years or 311 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:37,360 whatever at this time, having this new bitch, uh huh 312 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,440 trying to tell me about my man, I mean, step off. 313 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,080 So I just like, it's already so apparent. It's been apparent. 314 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,559 We've been sniffing it as viewers, but this I think 315 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,559 is the season yet we're really starting to feel it 316 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,679 in the family. Oh the dynamics have. 317 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: Shifted here definitely. And I was just thinking, like, man, 318 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,399 it kind of gives off gaslighting vibes on Robin's part 319 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:04,359 to try and tell Christine, like, no, this is how 320 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:08,519 Cody really meant it. Because Christine said a little comment 321 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,359 that I feel like they should have edited out, but 322 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:14,359 she said it. She was just like, you know, you're 323 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,880 saying this about if you had a longer courtship, we 324 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,359 would have had a better marriage, you know, And that's 325 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,960 apparent now because right now we have a terrible marriage. 326 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,119 She said something she did. I heard that, and I 327 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,359 thought that was really interesting that they kept that in, 328 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,000 because that's real, like her and Cody were struggling at 329 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,200 this point in time, just like him and Mary were 330 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,920 struggling at this point in time. And so for Robin 331 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,839 to come in and be like, no, no, no, that's 332 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,039 not what he meant. You know, he loves you, it's 333 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,240 like such a gaslighter thing to fucking do so manipulative, 334 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,680 to be like, no, no, no, you guys are actually happy. 335 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:47,400 Your marriage is fine. 336 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And to highlight also the obvious shifting in the 337 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:53,880 dynamics later in this episode when they go out to 338 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:57,559 the final meal with the archaeologists. Yeah, there's some point 339 00:17:57,559 --> 00:17:59,799 and I forget what they're talking about. But Cody looks 340 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,079 directly at Robin for his answer, did you see that? 341 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:02,559 Speaker 2: I did? 342 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: And she answered for him yep. So he's already deferring 343 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,839 so much of the family power to her. 344 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: Definitely, it's so obvious to fucking everybody accept these anthropologists. 345 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,599 For some reason, I. 346 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: Think they saw it. I just I think they were 347 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:18,799 maybe being a little protective, I don't. 348 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,799 Speaker 2: Know, being nice, I don't understand, but yeah, that's the 349 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:23,640 next scene that we get into is where they go 350 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,960 and have coffee and dinner or whatever with these students 351 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,759 and we get into more interesting conversations. We start off 352 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:35,119 with like a question I think Antonette asked Cody about 353 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,559 why he gets along with the boys rather than the 354 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,599 girls and his family talking about his kids, and then 355 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:43,720 it goes into this conversation about like masculinity and how 356 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:49,400 Cody just relates more to the masculine roles that his 357 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:51,519 son's play and so that's why he gets along with 358 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:54,680 them and he doesn't get along with his daughters. It 359 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,559 was just very weird. 360 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:58,799 Speaker 1: It was great because you could see him squirm in 361 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:02,599 this moment, like he's called out on real issues in 362 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:05,640 front of the camera that never happens because the family 363 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,039 definitely presents a united front, and it might have been 364 00:19:09,079 --> 00:19:11,799 at this moment that he looks to Robin, and I 365 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:14,720 do think Robin goes from this moment to start explaining 366 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,480 like why the relationships are different and the girls have 367 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,559 different needs and it's just because Cody is such a 368 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:23,200 man right and he likes to go outdoors and do 369 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,279 mad things, and so of course he's going to gravitate 370 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:27,559 toward his boys. It's perfectly natural. 371 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,279 Speaker 2: Archaeologists. Janelle also piggybacks off of that and is like, well, 372 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,880 you know, as a parent, like it's easier to have 373 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,240 relationships with some other kids than others, you know, and 374 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:42,200 so it's just natural, Like it's just normal that Cody 375 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:44,519 gets along with the boys and not the girls. 376 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: Right with Christine, though, she's a bit more quiet because 377 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:48,799 she has a lot. 378 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: Of girls, and she does actually pipe up and say like, 379 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,200 I do wish he had a better relationship with some 380 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:57,480 of my girls. But that just goes unnoticed because then 381 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,680 we have more conversations about the whole masculinity thing. And 382 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,240 I think Antonette asked, you know, would you still have 383 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:09,279 a close relationship with your boys if they weren't hyper masculine? 384 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:12,400 And Cody has literally no answer. He can't even say 385 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:15,440 yes or no to it. He just sits there and 386 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,160 ponders it, and then he deflects and is like, well, 387 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,480 I do acknowledge that I should have a better relationship 388 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:21,839 with my daughter, so I'll work on that. 389 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,319 Speaker 1: I bet he went home that night and he was pissed, 390 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,599 just like she got pissed at Timer and Hall from 391 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,920 the tell Alls because she confronted too many of the 392 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,880 family's issues. 393 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: Definitely, And then in this scene we also have the 394 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:38,839 bald archaeologist Richard asking the question, you know, would you 395 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,480 guys still love your kids if they were Algibati and 396 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:45,359 had a same sex relationship, And of course we have 397 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,519 Robin answering on behalf of the whole family. She gives 398 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:52,799 a very nice answer in that, you know, statistically, it's 399 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:54,920 pretty likely that we'll have at least one or two 400 00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:59,880 Elgibati kids in this family, and so we've talked about 401 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,680 it as adults, and we will accept them no matter 402 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,160 what their life choices are, what they decide for their life, 403 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,160 and will love them no matter what. 404 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,559 Speaker 1: Did she use the word choice? 405 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: She did? 406 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, she said whatever they decide because it is 407 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:18,359 a choice. And I didn't believe it. No, I didn't 408 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,880 believe it in the moment. I felt like it was 409 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,680 a pr answer. I felt like Robin was acting as 410 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,319 the family spokesperson. Yeah, because I think at that time, 411 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,279 at least in America, the tide was most definitely changing, 412 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,920 more people were in favor, and wasn't that right around 413 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,160 the time marriage was legalized. Gay marriage was legalized. Yeah, 414 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,799 it was not like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. 415 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: It's twenty fifteen, and this season aired in twenty fifteen, 416 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:45,440 so they filmed it probably before. 417 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: I think she's just picking up on the societal changes 418 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,240 and she's wanting to present the family as being more 419 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:55,720 progressive than they are now. Of course, when Leon comes 420 00:21:55,759 --> 00:22:00,960 out in future seasons and we have the entire discussion 421 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,160 around that, Robin is also the first one to embrace Leon, 422 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,720 and so I want to believe that that's her true feeling. 423 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,200 But I feel like in the Year of Our Lord 424 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 twenty twenty six, when we have Leon on social media 425 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:18,240 calling out their dad for how Cody has neglected Leon 426 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,279 and the rest of the kids and been a terrible father. 427 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Leon hasn't heard from their father in a long long time. 428 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,200 It really does make me believe that at the very least, 429 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:37,039 Cody is anti LGBT, if not fully hostile toward it, 430 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,519 and most likely hostile towards Leon's life. Yeah, and I 431 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:46,160 would imagine, because he's so heavily influenced by Robin, that 432 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,799 she is too. 433 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:47,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 434 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: Probably I did not consider them to be allies irrespective 435 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,039 of this scene and upcoming scenes in the future. 436 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: No, and like this whole thing, like with Robin talked 437 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,400 about how they'd love their gay kids if they had any, 438 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:03,319 all of them felt super performative. Like the entire time 439 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,119 the Anthropologists are there with the Browns, I felt like 440 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,000 they were on their quote best behavior for the most part, 441 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,480 with the exception of Garrison and Gabe punching each other 442 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,880 in the movie theater parking lot awesome, it was pretty great, 443 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,880 But like, I feel like the whole family was on 444 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,079 their best behavior. And I also think Cody was on 445 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,240 his best behavior because I think he was very keen 446 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:27,440 to show that No, I'm actually very equal with my 447 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,599 time and I spend the appropriate amount of time with 448 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,160 each of my wives. So that way, the Anthropologists thought, Oh, 449 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,119 Cody's not a jerk, He's actually great, and they even 450 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,599 say that at this dinner. I think Robin was like, 451 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,119 what's the most surprising thing that you learned about our family? 452 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,559 And they're like, yeah, Cody's not a jerk. We were 453 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:45,319 surprised by that. 454 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,559 Speaker 1: He's not controlling, he's not autocratics. 455 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,519 Speaker 2: And I think it's because he was putting on an act. 456 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:51,640 I mean this whole show, Like he puts on such 457 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,759 an act because he is a big, old fucking narc 458 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:57,279 So he's super worried about his appearance and his image 459 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,640 and how he comes off to everybody. And even now 460 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,799 with the and they're pologists, you're starting to see because 461 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:03,559 they're not seeing the reality. 462 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. We are, though, yes we are. And I 463 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,960 did see him squirm though, like that he's being exposed 464 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,440 a little bit by these academics. 465 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, for not spending time with all of his kids. 466 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,519 Speaker 1: Can I just make a little caveat statement, like, I 467 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:21,079 really don't like when people try to deduce the morality 468 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,440 of other people and then judge them based on their 469 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,960 speculation as to how they feel about something. I do 470 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,880 think it's inappropriate for me to say something like, you know, 471 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,000 Robin seems to be an ally, but I don't believe it, 472 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,000 Like I hate when people do that, yeah, to other 473 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:38,720 people in real life. I feel a little bit more 474 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,119 emboldened to do it with these pieces of shit, yeah, 475 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,279 because of the demonstration from this season on. But like, 476 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,759 as a rule, I don't like to do that at all. 477 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,880 I think it's tribal. I think it's poisonous. 478 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: I agree. 479 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: I think people are allowed to have their morals and 480 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,519 their opinions, and that's perfectly fine. But I just feel 481 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:54,640 like Robin is. 482 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: A devil and a demon, and so is Cody. Agreed, 483 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,240 and then the the rest of the episode is kind 484 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,880 of a snoozefest. We have Janelle talking with the archaeology 485 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,839 students about her relationship with Mary. The only thing that 486 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359 was interesting about this is that she kind of talked 487 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,880 about finances a little bit. Ye, she says, and I quote, 488 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,640 my marriage was saved to Cody once I got my 489 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,440 own banking account, which was. 490 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,079 Speaker 1: I'm trying to establish that girl, I was it when 491 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,359 she became a realtor, because she was kind of tying 492 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,440 it in to working and how important that was for her. 493 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,759 But I'm wondering whether she had to establish her own 494 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:35,599 account and those boundaries financially way back in the day 495 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,720 when she first left him. 496 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm taking moved. 497 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Away from wherever they were, Wyoming or Utah. However that happened. 498 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,759 I wonder if at that point she started putting those 499 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,240 boundaries in place. And I wonder why she would have to. 500 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,599 Is it because all of the money that she worked 501 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,640 for because she was the one that was working back then, 502 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,319 although Mary worked too, but Janelle was always working. 503 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,039 Speaker 1: Were they just taking Janelle's money and Rob and Peter 505 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,880 to pay Paul? I don't know. I wanted to know 506 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,200 more in that conversation. 507 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,319 Speaker 2: I did too, because I would have loved to know 508 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,599 when she got the separate baking account because if it 509 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,119 was in the early years, okay, fine, that makes sense, 510 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,599 but I'm wondering if it was in Vegas, like maybe 511 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,359 that was the reason why they had their renaissance in Vegas. 512 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:18,960 Was she finally put her foot down and was like, 513 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,359 I'm the family accountant, and I'm seeing Robin paying for 514 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,880 her highlights in her backyard and her fake nails, and 515 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,640 her babysitter and all of this other stuff, her amethyst statues, 516 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,960 and that's my money too. And then Cody to say 517 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,759 she ate her is like, well you can have your 518 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,759 own bank account, then it's fine, right, And so now 519 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:41,359 she works on whatever and makes her own money. It 520 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,240 would be interesting to find that out, but we're never 521 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:43,599 going to. 522 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: And around this time doesn't Mary start her Lulao business? 523 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,039 I think so it's maybe at the very beginning stages, 524 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,599 or it's about to be and then she's going to 525 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,799 be making a lot of money. I think that he 526 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,880 was just insisting that every single wife put all that 527 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,839 money into one pot, and then he, like a monarch, 528 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,319 dispensed it how we wanted to. And Janelle was able 529 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,319 to see what was happening but not control it, whereas 530 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,880 Robin was the one who was actually manipulating where that 531 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,480 money went. 532 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking too. 533 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: So financial problems are happening as early as whatever year 534 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:14,680 this is. 535 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: Yes, And then at the end, right before the anthropology 536 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,279 students leave to go back to their professor, we have 537 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,839 the Browns gifting them a my sister wife's closet necklace, 538 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:27,359 which was so ugly. 539 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,839 Speaker 1: I forget what it was called. Eternally together eternally together, 540 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,599 but it was like some warped or as in Hawaii 541 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,640 we say opted yea, like some wopted infinity something or other. 542 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,400 It was just a really bad design. 543 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, it was ugly. Here's our trash because nobody 544 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,480 else will buy our stock, so please take this and 545 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:48,759 wear it and promote. 546 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,519 Speaker 1: Our What happened to the investors still don't know. 547 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: And then we have a little meeting with the anthropology 548 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,359 students and their professor where they talk about their time 549 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,279 the Browns. And this was very disappointing to me because 550 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,920 the professor is asking, well, did you find out who 551 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,240 the favorite wife was? Did you find out if there 552 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,480 was any disparity or if Cody was a piece of shit? 553 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,400 And of course both the students are like, no, we 554 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,680 can't tell that he has a favorite at all, because 555 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,160 he's so fair and he's such a good husband. He's great, 556 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,680 and the wives are great, and I want to be 557 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,519 a sister wife. Now'd be so awesome, just without the patriarchy. 558 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I want it to be a matriarchy whatever. Yeah, 559 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,240 but then again, they might have been duped. Yeah, the 560 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,920 Browns might have been performing for them. 561 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: And that's what I think, Yeah, because how can you 562 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 not see the disparity if you're living with them. That 563 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,240 makes no sense to me, because if we can see 564 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,279 it as the viewers watching it, and edited. 565 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: We've been watching it for years. They're there for a weekend, 566 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,839 they're staying at Mary's haunted quiet house. They're only attending 567 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,400 orchestrated events where everybody again is performing as hard as 568 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,279 they can the role of a functional family. Maybe they 569 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,400 were duped. I don't think they would be totally protective 570 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,839 of the Browns. I'm not sure, but based on the 571 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,480 questions that they would ask, some of them were very direct, like, 572 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:11,880 you know, how come you get along with your boys 573 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,680 and notut your girls and things of that nature. I 574 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,519 feel like they would have been honest if they felt it. 575 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And at one point in the episode, Antonette, the 576 00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:23,519 student was wanting to ask the Browns more about their 577 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,039 intimate life and wanted to ask about their sex lives. 578 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640 She's like, I'm really curious about that, and then she 579 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:29,720 never asked it. 580 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,079 Speaker 1: Or maybe she did behind the scenes. 581 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,119 Speaker 2: And it got edited out, or they were she was 582 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,680 shut down. 583 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,839 Speaker 1: Maybe because they are so against talking about Cody getting 584 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,519 pegged in Robin's spedle exactly, they will not discuss it. 585 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: And so maybe with this meeting with the professor, maybe 586 00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:49,039 TLC talked to them and said, hey, don't make it 587 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,279 seem like Cody favors Robin or has a favor in general, 588 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,680 because we're trying to promote polygamy as a good thing here, 589 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,640 and also Mary's getting a legal divorce next week, so 590 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,799 we need to make it seem like every thing is okay. 591 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,720 Right now, So that way nobody suspects that the divorce 592 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,160 is actually really bad for the family. Okay, that's what 593 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,599 I'm thinking. 594 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: Which was the last scene. Yep, We've got Mary putting 595 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,559 on her card again. She's got a meet in with 596 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,720 the lawyer yep, and she's got something very important to 597 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,759 discuss with them, which she doesn't tell the producers in 598 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,039 the moment. I'm sure they already know. Yeah, and we've 599 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,079 got this dramatic scene of Mary walking down the sidewalk 600 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:30,599 into lawyer's office, meets with her lawyer. He's like, Okay, 601 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,960 what's going on? What can I do for you? And 602 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,000 she's like, well, I've come to inquire about a don't 603 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:42,519 dunt done divorce? My I wonder what the original viewers 604 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,000 from the Biblical Times Sister Wives thought in that moment, 605 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,160 because they really didn't telegraph that to us earlier. There 606 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,960 wasn't a lot of conversations about adopting the three kids 607 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240 from Robin's first marriage, like there's bitterer was done. So 608 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,720 I thought they're we're going to be talking about it 609 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,960 a lot. Because when we read Christine's book, we get 610 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,400 the from last year, we get the impression that there 611 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,440 was a lot of manipulation that was happening behind the 612 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,519 scenes of Mary pressuring her to do the legal divorce 613 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,640 by Cody and also Robin by proxy via Cody, So 614 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,000 we didn't see any of that though on camera. See 615 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,519 that's how much they're hiding in these seasons. 616 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:30,319 Speaker 2: Well, and Mary at the end of the episode said, 617 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,599 this is something I've been thinking about for the last 618 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,279 five years, you know, ever since Robin came into the family. 619 00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:39,079 And it's like, what, Yeah, I don't because nobody's talking 620 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,119 about it at all, and it's very weird, and I 621 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,759 love how this episode airs. And then two weeks later 622 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,400 when they come out with the next episode. If I 623 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,559 was a viewer back then, I would have been booking 624 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,640 pieced because why are you leaving me on a cliffhanger, like. 625 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: Cause you're excited, exact house, you're going to put it 626 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,079 in your calendar, exact how You're going to be sat 627 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,400 with your cocktail to watch and see what's going on 628 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,240 there because you've been sensing as if you were all along, 629 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,720 something more is going on, and now Mary wants a divorce, 630 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,640 maybe we're gonna hear about it. 631 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, sorry. 632 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear anything. 633 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,319 Speaker 2: I will say the divorce episode when it happens is 634 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:19,039 fucking depressing as hell because Mary cries and Robin is 635 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,119 super giddy and her hair is freshly highlighted, and you 636 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,200 can tell, like Christine and Janelle are upset for Mary 637 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,359 about it, because like, what the fuck? This is a 638 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,720 terrible thing, and it's so warped that they're framing it 639 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,519 around like opped it, wopped it. It's so opped it 640 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,279 that they're framing it like, well, Mary needs to do 641 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,279 it so Cody can adopt my kids. And I'm like, Okay, 642 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,039 I feel like there's other ways you could have done that, 643 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,599 but whatever, you know. 644 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: And from the vantage point of current year Raccoons having 645 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,160 just come out of season twenty one and Mary's freshly 646 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480 divorced and everything that she's been through, like this is 647 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,200 the moment Mary, I wish you would have had a 648 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,720 light bulb in your brain turn on so that you 649 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:07,440 could realize how much power you have in the family 650 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,359 right now that you're willing to give up, presumably because 651 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,279 Cody is bribing you and manipulating you and saying like 652 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,559 it'll really help our relationship if you get this divorce, 653 00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,720 So that I can adopt Robin's kids, and then you 654 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,119 and I can proceed forward on our path to reconciliation 655 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240 or whatever bullshit line he's feeding her, like, this is 656 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,480 the moment. God, Mary, I just wish we could go 657 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,440 back in time. I bet you would have handled it differently, though, Huh, because, 658 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,400 as we learn from Mary in last season and also 659 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,599 in Christine's book, like after the divorce and before the 660 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,119 divorce course, Cody's making all of these promises that they're 661 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:45,839 gonna get closer, He's gonna spend so much more time 662 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,039 with Mary. Mary believes that she does it, and then 663 00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:52,240 almost immediately after the legal divorce, he ghosts her. Yeah, 664 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480 he's like never there anymore entirely because he doesn't need 665 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:56,960 to be, and she gets catfished. 666 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,599 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. Well. Mkeldy goes into that all the Cult 667 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,880 Unconsciousness podcast about how Mary like, it's kind of stupid 668 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,239 to say that Mary got caffished because there's no way 669 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,000 she couldn't have. 670 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: No. No, I did see something in the zeit get 671 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,119 Geist about questioning whether Mary knew that the person she 672 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,800 was talking to was in fact a woman, and that 673 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,599 Leon at the time actually brought it up and said, uh, Mom, 674 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,599 you're talking too with shit Hello. But Mary was proceeding anyway, 675 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,639 And so then is there a conversation about lesbianism, mary 676 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:33,280 being a lesbian. 677 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,199 Speaker 2: Michelti alleges that Mary is a lesbian because there's no 678 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,679 way she couldn't have known that Sam was a woman 679 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,239 because she was talking to Sam on the phone. But 680 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,159 I will say, because I've seen season nine, Mary claims 681 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,800 that when she was talking on the phone with Sam 682 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,440 that she thought she was talking to a man and 683 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,639 that they were doing some weird like voice aalt or 684 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,199 well really yeah, which I'm just like, Okay, Mary, whatever 685 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,480 you want to say to hide the fact that you 686 00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:08,719 are gay, that's fine. 687 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: What you've been saying since we started this podcast. You 688 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,400 have been on the vision board. You've been placing Mary 689 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:19,679 with another bull. Daiga's a motorcycle hood Nie. I am psychic, 690 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,920 And if that is what she is, I just want 691 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,800 her to be released into the fullness of her lesbianism. 692 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,639 Stop being repressed into these hatterosexual lame relationships. Be the 693 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,480 lesbian that you're called to be. But if she's not, 694 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,679 we should not pressure her. 695 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: Sure, I don't want to pressure her, but. 696 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,679 Speaker 1: If she knew that she was talking to a woman 697 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960 on some level, and she continued to do so. Oh 698 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,880 my god, that's just. 699 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: Your inneral lesbian. That's what I'm saying. Trying to be free, 700 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,199 that's what I'm seeing. And the religious indoctrination will. 701 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: Get you worthy up by banging a chair, Mary. 702 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:53,519 Speaker 2: Get your box eight. 703 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,679 Speaker 1: Thanks, we're waiting over here. 704 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: That shit okay? Is that it? 705 00:35:59,599 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 706 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 2: That's oh okay? 707 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: Well, is there anything else that we want to say 708 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,000 to these beautiful reracoons? I know I want to say 709 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,079 that we are going to be covering the Cults of 710 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,280 Consciousness interview and then of course we have a lot 711 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,440 to say, and on Patreon we do much deeper dives, 712 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,119 So definitely join us. 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