Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Krin the Podcast. I'm Delia.
I'm one of your co hosts, and I'm here with
my real tight homegirl and my daughter in law, one
of the loves of my life.
Speaker 2: Wow, Bed, that's me.
Speaker 1: We are here to talk sister wives. Honey. We are
currently going through the Browns Akashic records. We've got our
monocles out and we're taking a look at this family
of dgens to see what they're up to in season eight.
And apparently some anthropologists are joining us in the observation,
and so shit's getting good.
Speaker 2: Yes.
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to issue you a strongly worded disclaimer. If you don't
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Speaker 2: I mean, we are edging so hard. It's five point
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Speaker 1: I have to check for myself because I think you're
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for three years.
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to five point nine to nine one day and then
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Speaker 1: I'm coming for you as soon as I find out,
I'm coming for you, you bitch. Anyway, before we get
into it, do we want to talk takeaways? Did you
have any girl?
Speaker 2: My takeaway is these anthropology students are dumb. Why that's it.
They're academics, They're dumb academists. At the end of the episode,
just being like, Wow, it was like such a great
family and I can't tell Cody has a favorite at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, Eleez, Well, my takeaway is that I am getting
a little bit excited. Of course, the last episode of
this season is next week, and this is the legal divorce,
which we kind of touch upon at the end of
this episode, but we can really kind of sense and
get into the vibration of the conflict between Mary and Janelle. Yep,
how long standing that is, how problematic it is, and
I just can't wait to go to therapy and dig
into it.
Speaker 2: Very good stuff, very good.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, without further ato, let's get into our recap
of Sister Wives Season eight, episode.
Speaker 2: Seven, six six and touttled first a verdict, then a lawyer. Okay,
so I guess that's referencing Mary at the end of
the episode. Yes, But we start the episode like resuming
the conversation between Cody, Janelle, Garrison, and Gabe because they
got in a big old fight last week and Cody
and Janelle were quick to blame Garrison for it. But
then we have to have paid and come in and
tell us the truth, which is that Gabe is a
big old liar and he punched Garrison first and so
therefore he started it, and so then Gabe gets in
trouble kind of, but it's like a typical younger sibling
punishment where it's like, I guess you're grounded.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about this just for a second. Yeah,
because keep in mind, Cody and Janelle, we're going to
take away from Garrison a trip to Hawaii with his
rotc peers if they found out that Gabe was telling
the truth and that Garrison initiated the conflict. Yeah, so
when it's discovered that no, Gabe in fact started it
and was lying. His punishment was, oh, you can't play
poker night with the family.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, knight, and you're grounded a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like the disparity between both punishments and like how willing
they were to take such a high value luxury away
from Garrison and then just give Gabe a slap on
the wrist really made me sagy them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's typical younger sibling, older sibling.
Speaker 1: But like, also we've been talking about it. Yeah, this
season and in previous seasons, it feels kind of like
sometimes they're targeting Garrison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was the one. It seems like that
acted out a lot more or like reacted from anger
as opposed to being emotional or whatever, and so I
think that's why they went after him a lot. Maybe
he triggered them a lot as parents, which doesn't make
it right, but it's just like it's sad to see. So, yeah,
it kind of pissed me off too. I'm watching this,
I'm like, Okay, Gabe basically gets a glorified slap on
the wrist, whereas Garrison was being threatened to have this
huge privilege taken away from him. I'm glad that the
truth came out and he ended up getting to go
to that, but he still got like reprimanded from Cody's like,
I'm still disappointed in you. You shouldn't have punched your brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think maybe Cody was always disappointed in Garrison.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, its me really.
Speaker 2: Sad me too. And then we go back to the
anthropologists slash archaeologists studying the Browns, and they kind of
bought back and forth between like the different wives households.
So we see them going over to Robin's house because
little baby Solomon has to get dental surgery. And I'm
wondering why, because don't you have baby teeth. Maybe he's
got an impacted babytooth or something.
Speaker 1: It could be a palette problem. Maybe it's sucking his
thumb a lot or something.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but Robin's worried, sick because it's her baby or whatever.
And Cody is spending a lot of time at Robin's
house because of the surgery. I gotta be there and
I gotta support Solomon for the surgery. And the anthropologists
totally call this out, which is really great. They get
one point they had asked Robin directly, like Cody spends
a lot of time with Solomon, but not a lot
of time with the older kids. And then Robin kind
of defends Cody a little bit and says, well, you know,
he's got some kids that want of a lot of
want a lot of affection from him, and some kids
who don't, and so he just can't push too hard
with all of them. And you know, Solomon really needs
to stay on because he's getting surgery and that's why.
And then she talks to the camera, which I thought
was kind of interesting about how she's worried about the
conclusions that some of the anthropologists are drawing about their family.
Speaker 1: What did he about that accurate conclusions? She realizes, Oh,
my cover is being blown real time, and they're going
to articulate it and it's going to be on camera.
Like the entire family already knows this, that Cody is
spending more time with Robin, spending more time and showing
favoritism to Robin's children, But the risk of having outsiders
say this thing on camera for all of us is
what's really kind of shaking her. And I love to
see it.
Speaker 2: I love it so much honestly.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Solomon's going through something right now, so
of course he has to be with him.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, okay, three weeks prior to the surgery. All right,
that makes sense. And then the students go over to
Mary's house and they kind of have a discussion about
like Mary and Janelle's relationship or lack thereof, because Antonette,
the girl archaeologist, read the Sister Wives book and she
read that Mary and Janelle have had a lot of issues,
and we get to hear Mary's side of it a
little bit, and she kind of glosses over her art
in not having a good relationship with Janelle. She kind
of is like, well, it's neither one of our faults,
but it's lost, like we're never going to get back
to being friends or we're never ever going to reconcile.
Speaker 1: I noticed that she said it wasn't Janelle's fault in particular,
but it wasn't my fault either. And at this age, Mary, what,
in your early forties, you've had sufficient time to go
back through the timeline and take responsibility for the fuckshit
that you did to Janelle, which is documented in this
first book and which you know full well that you did,
because you caused a lot of problems. And even in
the most recent season, season twenty one, we have Cody
saying to Janelle on his apology to or like I
should have protected you. Yeah, you were actually in an
unsafe environment when it was just you and Mary. So
Janelle knows this, Mary full well knows this, but she
still can't own it.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting to me is like the archaeology students
will go and ask Janelle later in the episode about
her side of things, and the way that Mary and
Janelle both talk about the past is weird, Like Mary deflects,
and Mary, you know, is like, well, neither one of
us are to blame, you know, and it's just it
was hard back then and now we're just civil it's whatever.
But with Janelle, she's a little bit more like reflective
on it, like, well, we didn't have the resources back then.
We didn't have like a counselor, we didn't have anybody
that could be there to support us, to help us
learn how to navigate polygamy. We were young, you know,
there's a lot of emotions, Like Janelle at one point says,
you know, you don't realize some of the emotions you're
capable of having until you're actually in this situation, and
then you don't even know how to deal with it
because you don't know what you're feeling. So I thought
that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought it was also great when she said, you know,
we didn't feel comfortable going to take our issues to
something like a therapist because their first thing that they
would highlight and blame was the system of polygamy, and
we want to protect our polygamy, so we can't go
to something like therapists. We have to figure it out
for ourselves. But when you are dealing with people who
are fundamentally emotionally unintelligent like that, shit just never gets resolved,
which is why you see a forty three year old
Mary about to be catfish a day, who can't take
responsibility for the awful things that she actually did.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. And then we have Leon coming home from
school to meet the anthropologists, I guess, but they're also
on like spring break or something. We learn from Leon
that they've decided to not go and become a doctor.
They want to become a physician's assistant. So we're talking
about that, and I'm snoring and then we get into
a conversation about Leon and polygamy because Leon has definitely
historically been the only kid to have any interest in
living plural marriage, and it's kind of funny because they
never end up doing that obviously. But we start talking
about like the idea of becoming a sister wife and
you know, what number of sister wife would you want
to be, And Leon is not really picky because they
don't know shit about shit at this point in time.
And then we start talking about like chastity and courtships
and waiting to have sex until they're married. And then
this gets into a discussion with the adults on the
couch about courtships and how long courtship should take, and
Mary says, you know, it would have been great if
we could have had a longer courtship, Cody, like maybe
a couple years or something. We could have gotten to
know each other, could have learned how to be in
a relationship before we brought on other people. But it
was really fast. Cody agrees with this and says, yeah,
you know, I probably wouldn't have had as many challenges
if I had longer courtships with each of my wives.
And then we have.
Speaker 1: Christine immediately responding and reacting to that. She gets trug
right because while Cody is trying to say that he
hopes for his kids like we always hope better for
our kids, like don't do it the way that I
did it, do it the right way. He's trying to
say that I want my kids to take their time,
really meet somebody, get to know who they are before
you make some kind of a commitment for the rest
of your life. But he's also interspersing with that some
reflection of the choices that he made in his first
three marriages at least, And so what he's saying is, yeah,
I wish I did have that extra time, and Christine
immediately takes that personally. And I don't know, I was
kind of of two minds here because I think she
got right to the point of what he was probably
really saying, which was a criticism to the way that
they got together because they did not court at all.
She had a testimony she told him, and he married her,
but he never really romantically courted her, never really wanted to,
never really loved her. I don't think, and I think
she's in that season of their marriage right now where
this is dawning on her, especially with Annie moving into
the house and reflecting back to her, like Annie's choices
and how they mirror Christine's. And so she's getting it
in the moment, but at the same time, she's not
emotionally intelligent in how she expresses herself, Like she allows
herself to feel the things and hear the subliminal message,
but she doesn't know how in the moment to maturely
respond to it without shutting everything down. And that's annoying
to me. Yeah, does that make sense?
Speaker 2: No? I agree, And I felt like she was very
reactive in the way that she was expressing it, whereas
she could have just felt that and then maybe addressed
it with Cody privately, not on camera. But it's Christine,
and I.
Speaker 1: Always Christine on the couch is always Christine.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense now looking back, like why she
was the first one to leave, because she has kind
of been dropping these little easter eggs throughout the seasons
of how unhappy she actually is. And I could understand
her point with Cody saying this on TV and saying
it to everybody, because he is kind of referencing Christine's
courtship in particular, and I think that was really triggering
for her. But at the same time, the way it
came off was like a little much. And then you
have Robin trying to Cody with Speridi. That's not what
he's saying, Christine, this is what he actually means. I'm like, bitch,
the audacity you had how long of a courtship eleven
months where you guys are probably banging the entire time,
Like Christine didn't have any of that. And she is realizing,
I think because Annie is living with them, because we
have a scene with Annie and the anthropologists as well
talking about her time in Belore. I loved talking about
her unhappy marriage. She straight up said it was easier
to leave the marriage than it was to leave the religion,
which was also very revealing. And I just wonder if
she's like hearing Christine talk about Cody, and she's kind
of dropping these little things, these little seeds to Christine
where she's realizing, like, oh, I could have it better.
I couldn't have my back blown out. I could have
a man who actually cares about me and loves me
and wants to take me out on dates and stuff
like hmmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did pick up on that with Robin, because
in the later seasons we have Janelle kind of calling
Robin the family therapist and the one who can interpret
what Cody means and then bring it back to the
rest of the family, And you could kind of really
see that in this moment and how it would feel
to the rest of the wives, some of them have
been married for twenty five, twenty years, fifteen years or
whatever at this time, having this new bitch, uh huh
trying to tell me about my man, I mean, step off.
So I just like, it's already so apparent. It's been apparent.
We've been sniffing it as viewers, but this I think
is the season yet we're really starting to feel it
in the family. Oh the dynamics have.
Speaker 2: Shifted here definitely. And I was just thinking, like, man,
it kind of gives off gaslighting vibes on Robin's part
to try and tell Christine, like, no, this is how
Cody really meant it. Because Christine said a little comment
that I feel like they should have edited out, but
she said it. She was just like, you know, you're
saying this about if you had a longer courtship, we
would have had a better marriage, you know, And that's
apparent now because right now we have a terrible marriage.
She said something she did. I heard that, and I
thought that was really interesting that they kept that in,
because that's real, like her and Cody were struggling at
this point in time, just like him and Mary were
struggling at this point in time. And so for Robin
to come in and be like, no, no, no, that's
not what he meant. You know, he loves you, it's
like such a gaslighter thing to fucking do so manipulative,
to be like, no, no, no, you guys are actually happy.
Your marriage is fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to highlight also the obvious shifting in the
dynamics later in this episode when they go out to
the final meal with the archaeologists. Yeah, there's some point
and I forget what they're talking about. But Cody looks
directly at Robin for his answer, did you see that?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: And she answered for him yep. So he's already deferring
so much of the family power to her.
Speaker 2: Definitely, it's so obvious to fucking everybody accept these anthropologists.
For some reason, I.
Speaker 1: Think they saw it. I just I think they were
maybe being a little protective, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, being nice, I don't understand, but yeah, that's the
next scene that we get into is where they go
and have coffee and dinner or whatever with these students
and we get into more interesting conversations. We start off
with like a question I think Antonette asked Cody about
why he gets along with the boys rather than the
girls and his family talking about his kids, and then
it goes into this conversation about like masculinity and how
Cody just relates more to the masculine roles that his
son's play and so that's why he gets along with
them and he doesn't get along with his daughters. It
was just very weird.
Speaker 1: It was great because you could see him squirm in
this moment, like he's called out on real issues in
front of the camera that never happens because the family
definitely presents a united front, and it might have been
at this moment that he looks to Robin, and I
do think Robin goes from this moment to start explaining
like why the relationships are different and the girls have
different needs and it's just because Cody is such a
man right and he likes to go outdoors and do
mad things, and so of course he's going to gravitate
toward his boys. It's perfectly natural.
Speaker 2: Archaeologists. Janelle also piggybacks off of that and is like, well,
you know, as a parent, like it's easier to have
relationships with some other kids than others, you know, and
so it's just natural, Like it's just normal that Cody
gets along with the boys and not the girls.
Speaker 1: Right with Christine, though, she's a bit more quiet because
she has a lot.
Speaker 2: Of girls, and she does actually pipe up and say like,
I do wish he had a better relationship with some
of my girls. But that just goes unnoticed because then
we have more conversations about the whole masculinity thing. And
I think Antonette asked, you know, would you still have
a close relationship with your boys if they weren't hyper masculine?
And Cody has literally no answer. He can't even say
yes or no to it. He just sits there and
ponders it, and then he deflects and is like, well,
I do acknowledge that I should have a better relationship
with my daughter, so I'll work on that.
Speaker 1: I bet he went home that night and he was pissed,
just like she got pissed at Timer and Hall from
the tell Alls because she confronted too many of the
family's issues.
Speaker 2: Definitely, And then in this scene we also have the
bald archaeologist Richard asking the question, you know, would you
guys still love your kids if they were Algibati and
had a same sex relationship, And of course we have
Robin answering on behalf of the whole family. She gives
a very nice answer in that, you know, statistically, it's
pretty likely that we'll have at least one or two
Elgibati kids in this family, and so we've talked about
it as adults, and we will accept them no matter
what their life choices are, what they decide for their life,
and will love them no matter what.
Speaker 1: Did she use the word choice?
Speaker 2: She did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, she said whatever they decide because it is
a choice. And I didn't believe it. No, I didn't
believe it in the moment. I felt like it was
a pr answer. I felt like Robin was acting as
the family spokesperson. Yeah, because I think at that time,
at least in America, the tide was most definitely changing,
more people were in favor, and wasn't that right around
the time marriage was legalized. Gay marriage was legalized. Yeah,
it was not like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's twenty fifteen, and this season aired in twenty fifteen,
so they filmed it probably before.
Speaker 1: I think she's just picking up on the societal changes
and she's wanting to present the family as being more
progressive than they are now. Of course, when Leon comes
out in future seasons and we have the entire discussion
around that, Robin is also the first one to embrace Leon,
and so I want to believe that that's her true feeling.
But I feel like in the Year of Our Lord
twenty twenty six, when we have Leon on social media
calling out their dad for how Cody has neglected Leon
and the rest of the kids and been a terrible father.
Leon hasn't heard from their father in a long long time.
It really does make me believe that at the very least,
Cody is anti LGBT, if not fully hostile toward it,
and most likely hostile towards Leon's life. Yeah, and I
would imagine, because he's so heavily influenced by Robin, that
she is too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably I did not consider them to be allies irrespective
of this scene and upcoming scenes in the future.
Speaker 2: No, and like this whole thing, like with Robin talked
about how they'd love their gay kids if they had any,
all of them felt super performative. Like the entire time
the Anthropologists are there with the Browns, I felt like
they were on their quote best behavior for the most part,
with the exception of Garrison and Gabe punching each other
in the movie theater parking lot awesome, it was pretty great,
But like, I feel like the whole family was on
their best behavior. And I also think Cody was on
his best behavior because I think he was very keen
to show that No, I'm actually very equal with my
time and I spend the appropriate amount of time with
each of my wives. So that way, the Anthropologists thought, Oh,
Cody's not a jerk, He's actually great, and they even
say that at this dinner. I think Robin was like,
what's the most surprising thing that you learned about our family?
And they're like, yeah, Cody's not a jerk. We were
surprised by that.
Speaker 1: He's not controlling, he's not autocratics.
Speaker 2: And I think it's because he was putting on an act.
I mean this whole show, Like he puts on such
an act because he is a big, old fucking narc
So he's super worried about his appearance and his image
and how he comes off to everybody. And even now
with the and they're pologists, you're starting to see because
they're not seeing the reality.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. We are, though, yes we are. And I
did see him squirm though, like that he's being exposed
a little bit by these academics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for not spending time with all of his kids.
Speaker 1: Can I just make a little caveat statement, like, I
really don't like when people try to deduce the morality
of other people and then judge them based on their
speculation as to how they feel about something. I do
think it's inappropriate for me to say something like, you know,
Robin seems to be an ally, but I don't believe it,
Like I hate when people do that, yeah, to other
people in real life. I feel a little bit more
emboldened to do it with these pieces of shit, yeah,
because of the demonstration from this season on. But like,
as a rule, I don't like to do that at all.
I think it's tribal. I think it's poisonous.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think people are allowed to have their morals and
their opinions, and that's perfectly fine. But I just feel
like Robin is.
Speaker 2: A devil and a demon, and so is Cody. Agreed,
and then the the rest of the episode is kind
of a snoozefest. We have Janelle talking with the archaeology
students about her relationship with Mary. The only thing that
was interesting about this is that she kind of talked
about finances a little bit. Ye, she says, and I quote,
my marriage was saved to Cody once I got my
own banking account, which was.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to establish that girl, I was it when
she became a realtor, because she was kind of tying
it in to working and how important that was for her.
But I'm wondering whether she had to establish her own
account and those boundaries financially way back in the day
when she first left him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm taking moved.
Speaker 1: Away from wherever they were, Wyoming or Utah. However that happened.
I wonder if at that point she started putting those
boundaries in place. And I wonder why she would have to.
Is it because all of the money that she worked
for because she was the one that was working back then,
although Mary worked too, but Janelle was always working.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Were they just taking Janelle's money and Rob and Peter
to pay Paul? I don't know. I wanted to know
more in that conversation.
Speaker 2: I did too, because I would have loved to know
when she got the separate baking account because if it
was in the early years, okay, fine, that makes sense,
but I'm wondering if it was in Vegas, like maybe
that was the reason why they had their renaissance in Vegas.
Was she finally put her foot down and was like,
I'm the family accountant, and I'm seeing Robin paying for
her highlights in her backyard and her fake nails, and
her babysitter and all of this other stuff, her amethyst statues,
and that's my money too. And then Cody to say
she ate her is like, well you can have your
own bank account, then it's fine, right, And so now
she works on whatever and makes her own money. It
would be interesting to find that out, but we're never
going to.
Speaker 1: And around this time doesn't Mary start her Lulao business?
I think so it's maybe at the very beginning stages,
or it's about to be and then she's going to
be making a lot of money. I think that he
was just insisting that every single wife put all that
money into one pot, and then he, like a monarch,
dispensed it how we wanted to. And Janelle was able
to see what was happening but not control it, whereas
Robin was the one who was actually manipulating where that
money went.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 1: So financial problems are happening as early as whatever year
this is.
Speaker 2: Yes, And then at the end, right before the anthropology
students leave to go back to their professor, we have
the Browns gifting them a my sister wife's closet necklace,
which was so ugly.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was called. Eternally together eternally together,
but it was like some warped or as in Hawaii
we say opted yea, like some wopted infinity something or other.
It was just a really bad design.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, it was ugly. Here's our trash because nobody
else will buy our stock, so please take this and
wear it and promote.
Speaker 1: Our What happened to the investors still don't know.
Speaker 2: And then we have a little meeting with the anthropology
students and their professor where they talk about their time
the Browns. And this was very disappointing to me because
the professor is asking, well, did you find out who
the favorite wife was? Did you find out if there
was any disparity or if Cody was a piece of shit?
And of course both the students are like, no, we
can't tell that he has a favorite at all, because
he's so fair and he's such a good husband. He's great,
and the wives are great, and I want to be
a sister wife. Now'd be so awesome, just without the patriarchy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I want it to be a matriarchy whatever. Yeah,
but then again, they might have been duped. Yeah, the
Browns might have been performing for them.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think, Yeah, because how can you
not see the disparity if you're living with them. That
makes no sense to me, because if we can see
it as the viewers watching it, and edited.
Speaker 1: We've been watching it for years. They're there for a weekend,
they're staying at Mary's haunted quiet house. They're only attending
orchestrated events where everybody again is performing as hard as
they can the role of a functional family. Maybe they
were duped. I don't think they would be totally protective
of the Browns. I'm not sure, but based on the
questions that they would ask, some of them were very direct, like,
you know, how come you get along with your boys
and notut your girls and things of that nature. I
feel like they would have been honest if they felt it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at one point in the episode, Antonette, the
student was wanting to ask the Browns more about their
intimate life and wanted to ask about their sex lives.
She's like, I'm really curious about that, and then she
never asked it.
Speaker 1: Or maybe she did behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: And it got edited out, or they were she was
shut down.
Speaker 1: Maybe because they are so against talking about Cody getting
pegged in Robin's spedle exactly, they will not discuss it.
Speaker 2: And so maybe with this meeting with the professor, maybe
TLC talked to them and said, hey, don't make it
seem like Cody favors Robin or has a favor in general,
because we're trying to promote polygamy as a good thing here,
and also Mary's getting a legal divorce next week, so
we need to make it seem like every thing is okay.
Right now, So that way nobody suspects that the divorce
is actually really bad for the family. Okay, that's what
I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Which was the last scene. Yep, We've got Mary putting
on her card again. She's got a meet in with
the lawyer yep, and she's got something very important to
discuss with them, which she doesn't tell the producers in
the moment. I'm sure they already know. Yeah, and we've
got this dramatic scene of Mary walking down the sidewalk
into lawyer's office, meets with her lawyer. He's like, Okay,
what's going on? What can I do for you? And
she's like, well, I've come to inquire about a don't
dunt done divorce? My I wonder what the original viewers
from the Biblical Times Sister Wives thought in that moment,
because they really didn't telegraph that to us earlier. There
wasn't a lot of conversations about adopting the three kids
from Robin's first marriage, like there's bitterer was done. So
I thought they're we're going to be talking about it
a lot. Because when we read Christine's book, we get
the from last year, we get the impression that there
was a lot of manipulation that was happening behind the
scenes of Mary pressuring her to do the legal divorce
by Cody and also Robin by proxy via Cody, So
we didn't see any of that though on camera. See
that's how much they're hiding in these seasons.
Speaker 2: Well, and Mary at the end of the episode said,
this is something I've been thinking about for the last
five years, you know, ever since Robin came into the family.
And it's like, what, Yeah, I don't because nobody's talking
about it at all, and it's very weird, and I
love how this episode airs. And then two weeks later
when they come out with the next episode. If I
was a viewer back then, I would have been booking
pieced because why are you leaving me on a cliffhanger, like.
Speaker 1: Cause you're excited, exact house, you're going to put it
in your calendar, exact how You're going to be sat
with your cocktail to watch and see what's going on
there because you've been sensing as if you were all along,
something more is going on, and now Mary wants a divorce,
maybe we're gonna hear about it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear anything.
Speaker 2: I will say the divorce episode when it happens is
fucking depressing as hell because Mary cries and Robin is
super giddy and her hair is freshly highlighted, and you
can tell, like Christine and Janelle are upset for Mary
about it, because like, what the fuck? This is a
terrible thing, and it's so warped that they're framing it
around like opped it, wopped it. It's so opped it
that they're framing it like, well, Mary needs to do
it so Cody can adopt my kids. And I'm like, Okay,
I feel like there's other ways you could have done that,
but whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: And from the vantage point of current year Raccoons having
just come out of season twenty one and Mary's freshly
divorced and everything that she's been through, like this is
the moment Mary, I wish you would have had a
light bulb in your brain turn on so that you
could realize how much power you have in the family
right now that you're willing to give up, presumably because
Cody is bribing you and manipulating you and saying like
it'll really help our relationship if you get this divorce,
So that I can adopt Robin's kids, and then you
and I can proceed forward on our path to reconciliation
or whatever bullshit line he's feeding her, like, this is
the moment. God, Mary, I just wish we could go
back in time. I bet you would have handled it differently, though, Huh, because,
as we learn from Mary in last season and also
in Christine's book, like after the divorce and before the
divorce course, Cody's making all of these promises that they're
gonna get closer, He's gonna spend so much more time
with Mary. Mary believes that she does it, and then
almost immediately after the legal divorce, he ghosts her. Yeah,
he's like never there anymore entirely because he doesn't need
to be, and she gets catfished.
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. Well. Mkeldy goes into that all the Cult
Unconsciousness podcast about how Mary like, it's kind of stupid
to say that Mary got caffished because there's no way
she couldn't have.
Speaker 1: No. No, I did see something in the zeit get
Geist about questioning whether Mary knew that the person she
was talking to was in fact a woman, and that
Leon at the time actually brought it up and said, uh, Mom,
you're talking too with shit Hello. But Mary was proceeding anyway,
And so then is there a conversation about lesbianism, mary
being a lesbian.
Speaker 2: Michelti alleges that Mary is a lesbian because there's no
way she couldn't have known that Sam was a woman
because she was talking to Sam on the phone. But
I will say, because I've seen season nine, Mary claims
that when she was talking on the phone with Sam
that she thought she was talking to a man and
that they were doing some weird like voice aalt or
well really yeah, which I'm just like, Okay, Mary, whatever
you want to say to hide the fact that you
are gay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: What you've been saying since we started this podcast. You
have been on the vision board. You've been placing Mary
with another bull. Daiga's a motorcycle hood Nie. I am psychic,
And if that is what she is, I just want
her to be released into the fullness of her lesbianism.
Stop being repressed into these hatterosexual lame relationships. Be the
lesbian that you're called to be. But if she's not,
we should not pressure her.
Speaker 2: Sure, I don't want to pressure her, but.
Speaker 1: If she knew that she was talking to a woman
on some level, and she continued to do so. Oh
my god, that's just.
Speaker 2: Your inneral lesbian. That's what I'm saying. Trying to be free,
that's what I'm seeing. And the religious indoctrination will.
Speaker 1: Get you worthy up by banging a chair, Mary.
Speaker 2: Get your box eight.
Speaker 1: Thanks, we're waiting over here.
Speaker 2: That shit okay? Is that it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's oh okay?
Speaker 1: Well, is there anything else that we want to say
to these beautiful reracoons? I know I want to say
that we are going to be covering the Cults of
Consciousness interview and then of course we have a lot
to say, and on Patreon we do much deeper dives,
So definitely join us. That's going to be in April,
and we want you there, bitches. Is there anything else
we want to say?
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people can join us in the dumpster And it just
makes my heart feel better when you say nice things
about us.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's very sensitive, very sensitive. She's an
aries moon, which is so scary for the rest of
the fat scarymi. Okay, don't you forget us. We are
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please do not forget that we have nothing but love
for you and peace.
Speaker 2: Night. It us