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Speaker 1: Yes, the Inquisition is back, and after brief hiatus, Pete

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and Story and Thomas have reconvened and I'm your host, Astrol.

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We're happy to see you all here again. This is great, guys.

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Just so you guys know, I really appreciate you letting

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me host this on my platform. Since the last two episodes,

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I'm starting to get dms pretty much every day, but

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people asking me when's the next Inquisition coming out, or

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all get randomly tagged on Twitter when's the next Inquisition

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coming out? So we're going to try to keep this

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going by monthly. So it's good to have you back. Pete,

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it's good to have you back. Thomas, and Stormy's always

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got a place on my show here, so.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But before we talk about current events, Stormy was riffing

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recently on some thoughts he had and one of the

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reasons for being for this show is kind of the

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take stock of the American right, where it's been, where

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it is now, and where it's going. And there's lots

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of reasons to sort of reevaluate what the American right

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is and is not. And Stormy, we were talking the

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other day and you had some really interesting things to

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say about differentiating the American right from the European right.

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I'm not sure exactly where you wanted to start with that,

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but I think what you were trying to communicate to

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someone up very briefly, is that while we come out

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of a tradition that is heavily steeped in European right

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wing culture and European right wing ideas, American right wingism

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is a wholly different thing, and it needs to be

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communicated differently than European which is to say that a

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European model isn't necessarily transposable onto the American right and

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the future of the American right. Yeah, exactly exactly. So

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what were your thoughts, What were your thoughts and where'd

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you want to go with that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first, there's just like what an American

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is I think is very foreign. I mean, Europe has

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a very cartoonish idea of what it is to be

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an American. But if we're looking at it from like,

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let's say the evolutionary level Europe, by the time immigration

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to the American continent started, had it been pretty much

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unsavaged and in it, I don't want to say deforested,

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but basically it was meadows and plains and agrarian life

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was very settled. People were settled in their roles and

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their casts and their professions. This was not the case

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in America. America has three hundred years of race war

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to like this present day. Like my great great great

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granddad was the last one of the last. I think

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he's the last guy in this state in New York

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to get killed by what they killed with the bow

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and arrow from a fucking Indian. Like in the late

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eighteen hundreds, the electricity existed, not a lot, but anyways,

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so the Indian.

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Speaker 4: War didn't formally end until nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 3: But really, yeah that I mean, for everybody thinks that

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the Indian Wars were like an out West thing, and

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that is absolutely not the case. From a colonists going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely didn't start there by any stress.

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Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, before we even cross Mississippi, it was

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one hundred years of war.

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Speaker 4: The Creek War was the most severe iteration of a

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ross and kreeg between Whites and Indians, and I mean

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that was essentially the eastern seaboard. But yeah, no, the

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problem is, uh, there there is no American right because

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it was outlawed in nineteen forty eight. Like like the

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the American right after the war win the States, it

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was economic nationalism, you know, high protectionism, you know, the

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Hamiltonian Imperial Executive, you know, and and they basically it

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kind of like soft white nationalism, you know. And that

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like Robert Taft was like the standard bearer that in uh,

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the Inner War years, and that was literally rendered illegal.

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a series on that. Like it was so after the

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after the after Eisenhower, who was basically like a placeholder,

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like a steward like that. It's not the same the

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spher what the contrary, but he was like a military

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man and like an apolitical figure. But it's like, okay,

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so what's the American right. It's illegal there to be

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a right wing Oh well, it's it's very goldwater. It's

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it's these it's these guys who want to abolish the

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George Wallace and what became the Nixon Coalition, and so

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it became this like identitarian thing and like that was

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unacceptable so like Nixon was removed from office, you know,

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and then the the Nixon Coalition in large measure like

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elected Reagan because they made peace of the establishment with

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certain concessions, and like that's what and that's that's like

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what Megan is. You know, it's uh, it's the Wallace coalition,

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which is the Nixon coalition, which is the Reagan coalition,

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which is the silent majority, which also elected Donald's Trump.

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You know, it's not really right wing, but that's because

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it's illegal there to be a right wing in America.

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Speaker 3: That's the short answer. No, I agree with I agree

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with Thomas. Well, basically whatever we're going to be is

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going to be iterative, Like we're finding out what that is.

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Because Donald Trump got elected by basically dog whistling to

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something that's supposed to be illegal and non existent. Right,

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that's true, So the will of the population is there,

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or else he wouldn't have been able to make the

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incredible amounts of political hay he did on it. Nobody

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remembers fuck all about Donald Trump's twenty sixteen campaign other

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than we're gonna throw Hillary Clinton in jail and we're

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gonna get all the fucking brownies and Beaners out. That's

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pretty much that. That was his campaign in the nutschet.

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twenty sixteen campaign, he like build the Wall was just

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what caught on. But all this campaign speeches, he's going

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after h one bs, He's going out a lot about

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h one B's.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been the same, it's been the same. It's

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been the same sociological tennis season as nineteen sixty eight.

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way race, so that like that was like the cope

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of of the left. It's like, oh, Nick Nixon is

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never real mandate, you know, he just capitalized on a

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troubled situation. You know, especially you know when you consider

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the disaster the Johns administration. But then ninety seventy two,

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like Nixon utterly swept the entire country. Like that's the

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silent majority, and that's what always happens, you know. And

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then uh and and then like the establishment, like that's

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basically all the Democrats are. There's not a Democrat party.

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they're the they're the ruling coalition, you know, and Uh.

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but they always claim that like, oh, this is a fluke,

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you know, like nobody you know, like like the white

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electorate doesn't matter anymore, which is totally like at odds

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with reality. It's just like regardless of your politics, like

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this this delusional. But then there's always this massive sweep

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based on nakedly identitarian criteria, like the silent majority, you know,

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it gets their man into office, and then you know,

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the uh, and then the deep state like grumbles for

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the next like forty eight years about it like this

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isn't actually legitimate and like you know that like, oh,

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the white Electorate's done because the New America doesn't approve

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of that kind of thing, Like it's it's complete fucking nonsense.

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Speaker 3: And I think that now that the racism ship has sailed,

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I think we're actually going to accelerate into finding out

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what this thing actually is because I think that the

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spiritual characteristics, like the the soul of like what an

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American is at an ethnic level is very different than

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really anything that you can find on Europe. Because America,

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it up. But America has been three hundred years straight

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of violence.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's also it's there's something too, like I was

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talking to Bagby the other day, it's a uh. People

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mischaracterize the kind of the the anthropological aspects of the

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heritage American culture. But whether rubber meets the road, it

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very much. Look at the center Sculp culture that had

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its roots in in Ulster in Scotland. It's anti authority people.

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It's people are individualistic but are highly racialized like there

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and here. Yeah, exactly, you know, and uh, I mean

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this is like obvious to me because that's like literally

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my heritage. But it should it should it shouldn't be

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mysterious to people, you know, who are actually engaged with

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them with these things.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: On an on an academic level.

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Speaker 5: How how would you relate that to yakis Yaki's formulation

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of race and high culture.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the culture bearing element of America was like

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the high church types in the South generally, then North

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was a little more complicated. Like I reject the paradigm

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and like in that book Albion Seed, like that's that

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author he tries to claim that America is the legacy

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of the War three kingdoms and the Civil War was

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these like Northern Puritans for the descendants of Cromwell versus

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these like Southern cavaliers. Like that's not true at all.

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And if anybody was the descendants so like Cromwell's army,

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it was guys like Stonewall, okay, who was like some

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kind of like who's who's some kind of like Calvinish shaman,

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you know, like like Puritans. Uh, they're they're not crypto

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Jews whatever, like idiots on the internet thing who like

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spent too much time in Catholic school. They're not. They're

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not like like like Cromwell's a now matal army were

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a bunch of proto liberals, Like that's not there's something different.

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aspect in the Northeast among like Boston Brahmins of like

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these kind of hair shirt like literally puritanical.

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Speaker 3: Like specifically in Boston.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's like a real thing. But they're the minority,

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you know, Like it's not like liberals aren't like the

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descendants of puritan It's like that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: Are facing now with birth rates these people that Thomas

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in the fifties and sixties. There is very very few

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, they're kind of the they're like

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the they're their their cousins, like who are the social

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registered types or are kind of gone to but the

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But I think Yaki obliquely made the point, and Hitler

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made this point too, like, Uh, It's one of the

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reasons I like that Brendan Simms Batterby Hitler so much

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is because he deals there's like but like one hundred

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and fifty pages that book like deal with like Hitler's

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views of America, which he and Hitler view in America

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as incredibly dangerous and also the future like literally and

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geopolitical analyses. But he also said that like the South

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was like the real America, I mean paraphrasing, but like

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those Jacky's thing too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was proven right with where does the culture

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of Germany come from? It comes from the hinterlands, not

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from the urban centers. Right, this is where Hitler crushed

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what's his name clergy?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, northern Alabama, Northern Alabama is still a German stronghold.

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I mean, there's two Catholic monasteries in northern Alabama. How

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many people know that?

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Speaker 4: No, it's fascinating. And the what's also an interesting paradigm

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because like the because of the North, I mean, this

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is this is a tangent. But you know, Germans were

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almost unfailingly like pro union, like not because they were

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like and with the exceptional like some of the know

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nothings who were very much like know Nothingism was like

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a Northern Prade movement. Like it wasn't Southerners. It was

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like Northern Nativists who were like very anti Jewish, like

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very kind of like overtly racialists. It was a different

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than Southern concepts. But the what became kind of like

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the what became like the post war between the states,

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like American right, there was something very German about that,

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you know, like strong state, imperial presidency, you know, national economics,

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high protectionism, you know, Uh, terrorists pay for the government

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evaluated manufactures, the life's of blood of the country, you know.

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of guys who'd fled uh who who who? You had

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forty eight divide, who couldn't be further apart in their politics,

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like version of the Prussian education system. You know, like

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this the Social Security Administration is like the Bismarckian pension system.

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to the United States, you know, where you have like

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dozens of ethnicities and stuff. But that was the attempt.

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there's you know, there are people who believe they are

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of a race, but they're he talks about people who

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have have race. Yeah, and can you explain how that

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how when you look at the yeah, yeah, those it

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within a culture, those within a section in a in

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a land mass, who are the culture bearing the culture

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bearing stratum, How that plays into it because they don't

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all have to be Ulster Scott's.

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Speaker 4: No, but uh, that's what the majoritarian culture is of

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like heritage America. Like if you're talking about I means

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two things going on here, like what is the American culture?

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by that? Is that it's a historical phenomenon. It's historical,

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it's epigenetic, it's a it has to do with linear

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cultural memory, symbolic psychology. People who consciously live historically and

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understand themselves both subliminally as well as consciously as being

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the stewards of you know, a way of life that's

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like what it is to be like a sparing elements.

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it wasn't is a diverse place, but I mean so

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is Ulster. You know, there are high church types who

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identify with loyalism just like you know, just like just

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like reform to like free Presbyterian church types do, and

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just like the majority of the minority of like Evangelical Baptists.

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Do you know that America if you're talking about I mean,

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why do you think like America's look guns, why do

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you think Americans are just a property rights? Like what

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do you think they like, why do you think that

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the racial divide is seems like weirdly perverse here and

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unlike other places that comes from Northern Ireland and Scotland

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violence in the race thing, and well it's also too

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like what do you think, like lynching was this huge

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thing in America, Like lynching isn't like a big thing

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in Germany or France. I mean, yeah, there's like horrible

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stuff that happens, but uh, like what became and don't

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get me wrong, like it became very corrupted here, but

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this idea of the people, like individual people like well

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as you know, both as individuals who are privately aggrieved

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and as members of like an oriented community, they like

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literally have the right to like extra judicially kill people

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who commit violent crimes. Like nobody thinks that way outside

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of Scotland and fucking Ulster, Like they don't, you know,

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like Americans do, Like why is that? You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like exactly what you're talking about about the

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culture bearing strata coming from people with a sense of

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race when you were describing that, I can't not think

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of the guilded age, like when I read all of

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the great men of the Guilded age. They understood that

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almost implicitly. Yeah, they were very different of they were

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very different than Europe, and something special was happening here

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and it was their duty to be custodians of it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well it's two things. It was there was

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an understanding, despite American optimism and despite the despite this

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kind of concept that you know, like oh, like you know,

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the Americans are literally a chosen people and you know,

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they they're the inheritors of like a this great bounty

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of wealth. But there was an understanding really from the

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close of the eighteenth century and the Jago and Revolution

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that like there's a profound like crisis in Western civilization

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and something had gone horribly wrong. So, I mean, in

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some ways America was supposed to be like this. This

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was like this enterprise was like gonna save like you know,

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the white race, if you want to get it like that.

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But it's also just like in brass text terms and

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Hitler's table talk where he says that like America has

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probably like half the world's remaining resources just the material terms,

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that was basically accurate. You know, even if Europe had

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even if Europe had been able to prevail over its enemies,

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and even if even if, even if Moscow had fallen

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in December nineteen forty one, so like the Greater German

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Reich like rains from like the Atlantic to the Earls,

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there would have been problems.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Europe's basically this indefensible peninsula that doesn't have anything like

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what it has is it's human capital. Okay, So it's

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pretty much in when it is like that book Fatherland.

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Aside from like some of the Holocaust mythology and stuff,

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it's a counterfactual where the Third RG wins World War two.

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But in the world of like nineteen sixty four, you know,

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twenty years after, like Nzig, there's this Cold War between

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the United States and Germany, and their consumption needs are

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both so massive that basically like the world's being totally

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depleted of what's left in it. So like Joe Kennedy

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is like the President of United States, He's like has

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this like summit with Hitler to try to like end

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the Cold War and like come to terms because like

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neither like neither superpower can like afford to perpetuate it,

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and like that would have happened, you know.

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Speaker 5: But uh.

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Speaker 4: So there's people this idea that people there was kind

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of like this boundless optimism and like innostance before was nonsense.

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But also this idea in terms of deep ecology that oh,

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until the twentieth century, like nobody had any idea about

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the exhaustibility of That's not true at all. Like, if anything,

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I think people were more cognitive that I mean, that's

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like that's where these in part, that's for the stuff

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like this, these malecusia anxieties about over pop relation came

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from like, in my opinion, that was kind of the

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global warming of the day, Like it was wrong. They're

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they're extrapolating like data from like a very specific temporal

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sample like into perpetuity. But that anxiety emerged from the

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fact that people were hyper aware of this is not sustainable.

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You know, you can't you can't. You can't keep hyper

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capitalism going for a thousand years, There'll be nothing left

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like that. It's not it's not commy speak, that's reality,

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you know. So there's a lot there I realized. But yeah,

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that's that's the short answer. So it's yeah, the the

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American promises that were there was like a there was

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like a historical and and and dare I say, like

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racial and civilizational component to it too, as well as

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like a material one. You know, it's complicated, but it

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was by no means like totally secular, by no means

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like race blind, quite the contrary, you know, nakedly theological

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and very much, very much identitarian.

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Speaker 3: A similar phenomenon was happening in Australia at the time too.

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I think it was something that in it at least

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the Anglos were cognizant of roughly the same time. Australia

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started a little bit later, obviously, but they were getting

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their start right as what Thomas is describing was happening

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in America that conversation, and they immediately incorporated like strict

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racialist policies in the very constitutions of Australia, like both

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Australia and America. Kind of it's like subconsciously there was

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this knowledge of this Noah's archetype situation after what had

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happened in France and then later everywhere else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Australia, America, Australia, South Africa, Ulster,

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there's that's very much uh like the calvinisty as for

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you know, I this way I think of it, and

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there's there's differences between the populations obviously, but there's there's

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uncanny commonalities and there's also like there's you know, and

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one of reasons I like that movie in that book Resurrection, Man,

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I'm going somewhere with this. It's not just this a

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crazy tangent like one of the one of the secondary

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protagus in it. He's this guy named Darky Larsh who's

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like a descended the Huguenots, but because like his ancestors

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fled to Ulster when they were getting pogrammed. And that's

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why he's Darky, because he's like got black hair and

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brown eyes, and he's just kind of a constitutionally nervous guy,

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you know, like I I've got a hugan a big

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round two in part, and so to a whole lot

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of people in Australia, so to a whole lot of

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people in South Africa. Like there's this the kind of

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like these pioneer populations, like literally in the case of

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South Africa and Australia, people traveling in covered wagons. You know,

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there was a there was a pastiche of like ethnic

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groups that uh kind of like ossified into like one tribe,

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like going to like obviously like racial similarity, but also

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like confessional heritage, and that's something that didn't happen anywhere

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else other than like here Ulster, South Africa, Australia.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'd like to know if you would agree

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with this, but I think that I mean, if I

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were to calculate, like from at least from when my

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family arrived in the country to now we're talking, you know,

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seen forty to now, like, there's more than enough time

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no matter which numbers you prefer to use for distinct

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ethnogenesis to occur.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a European like I've tried to. I don't

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think you can truly be like a European. I feel

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like a reform fraud like it. Just don't like it.

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There's I mean, your Europe like Europe proper is like Catholic.

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I mean, yeah, I really.

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Speaker 3: Checked this up. What's it checked this out? I went

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and looked up the medical stats for World War One.

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In World War Two, it was more pronounced than World

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War One, but the Americans were on average four to

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five inches taller and about something like a twenty pounds

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sometimes trying to do like the stones because like the

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you know, the Brits were doing measured weight in stones,

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but just ballpark like twenty five pounds heavier.

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Speaker 4: Well, like at their Merican forest, which was the That

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was the greatest defeat the US Army ever suffered, and

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that was technically a stalemate, but the objective was never captured,

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and the US Army took thirty thousand casualties. But the

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German uh like the German field hospitals took note. American

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troops could like handle a hit from a flull metal

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jacket and shot and sometimes survived, and the Germans couldn't

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because they like lacked that layer of fat, like quite literally,

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which is fascinating. You know, it was like harder to

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kill the US Army because they were like bigger, fatter people,

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you know than a bunch of like underfed Germans who

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had like gone through puberty like starving in Vimar, you know,

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Like it's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: And then you have like the casts, right, So like

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if you were ninety percent of like let's say the UK,

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and you were either living in London or you know,

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a labor on some farm somewhere, your diet was like,

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let's put it this way, not to anything that you're

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going to grow on. And the other thing is that

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America's literacy rate. At the time of the turn of

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the seventeenth century, America had the highest literacy rate in

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the world, and it had done so from seventeen hundred

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through eighteen hundred, right, so we it was something like that.

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It was insane, something like a ninety eight percent literacy rate.

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And the way it was explained to me was that

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basically every American guy had to be a Swiss army knife.

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Like you had to know how to do blacksmith stuff.

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You had to know how to do farmer stuff, you

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had to know how to do hunter stuff, you had

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to know how to do tailor stuff, roofer stuff like you. Basically,

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like he basically hadn't do all the things. And the

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only way that they could actually, you know, accumulate this

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was either apprenticing for each one of these things or

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reading a ton.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, exactly. What's also too like even you know

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Stonewall Jackson, he he was considered at best eccentric and

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kind of a crazy religious fanatic by some of his peers,

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and at worst like doing something really subversive because he teachs.

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He teaches, he teaches slaves to read because he's like,

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these people have to be able to read the Bible,

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you know, otherwise they can't be saved. And that was

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a big thing, you know, like even somebody who didn't

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really care if like you know, your average like white

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farm hand or like black slave could read so they

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feel like better himself. It was he's got to be

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able to read scripture, you know, because if you go

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to a reform church there there's no priest. There's some

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like layman who's like leading worship, and it's like, you

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got to be able to read the Word of God,

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you know, otherwise you can't you can't awaken the inner witness,

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you know. And that was a big part of it,

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in addition to what you just said, because yeah, like

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if you've got to if you've literally got to carve

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out like civilization from like the woods, like you've got

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to be able to do a lot of shit, and

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if you're some illiterate guy who like lives on cheese

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and just kind of waits to take orders, you can't

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do that.

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Speaker 3: No, And I think this is why entrepreneurialism just cannot

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get a foothold in Europe. Like I take from a

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VC position. I basically like India has a more vibrant

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like a startup and entrepreneurial culture happening right now, at

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least in tech China, like Europe is being left behind

473
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by nations with an average IQ twenty to thirty points lower.

474
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean they were, they were under they're under occupation.

475
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I mean, don't get you wrong, Like Europe today they've

476
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480
like they're totally senile and they're like they're like a

477
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:06,400
global joke. But they got to that point because of

478
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,720
social engineering, you know. And but it's like it did

479
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,160
even even in the former East Bloc, which admittedly is

480
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,720
not nearly as bad off as what was the American

481
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,359
occupations on its short of influence, but it's still like

482
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,240
food barred the culture. And you got to understand too.

483
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:28,599
And I'm not trying to upset people or say like

484
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anything bad about like Eastern people, but you know, in

485
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:43,440
the Red Army smashed through the German Reich, it was

486
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:47,279
it was literally this orgy of mass rape. And they

487
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,920
did that for a reason. I mean, they did that

488
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,799
because they're savages. But they changed the racial character of

489
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,440
an entire like massive swath of the population. You had

490
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,400
like millions of women giving birth to like these half

491
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,480
Slavic bastards that he just thinks, you know, I mean

492
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,359
it's also what do you think when like Russia's screwed up,

493
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,119
you know, souls and nips and made the point you said,

494
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Russia is like a prison society, Like what what the

495
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,079
way people think? Like what being mainly is the way

496
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,519
people think? Like the proper kind of ethos is towards

497
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:30,240
like authority, like Russians think like prisons. And in part,

498
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:35,960
I mean the Russians, the Communists killed ten million people.

499
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It's just like outright, you know, like imagine if in

500
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America there's this like mass uprising and basically a bunch

501
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,279
of hood rats and a bunch of like really dominant

502
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:55,000
people from like the rural south basically slaughtered everybody with

503
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,559
like a higher education. Well, like think about that like

504
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,559
one hundred years on, Like what what would they be Like?

505
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,200
It would be insane, Like that's what happened to the

506
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Soviet Union. You know.

507
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Speaker 1: Hey, Thomas, kind of well, I want to ask you

508
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,599
a question, but I should let you finish. But I'm

509
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:19,000
gonna bring me back to that point. You well, what

510
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,920
do you think about Spengler and Yaqui's argument this is

511
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,240
from Spengler's Prussians I can't remember the name of the

512
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,920
Si now, where he says that that event basically arrested

513
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,640
the cultural development of Russia and that Russia was not

514
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,400
able to basically like come to its own fruition as

515
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,240
it's as itself as a culture. And Yaki picked us

516
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,559
up and basically said they were like knocked off course

517
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,480
by the Russian Revolution and they hadn't really come into

518
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,440
their own yet as a civilization. And both of them

519
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,440
said Russia is going to be the next world civilization

520
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,960
in the future of the twenty first century is when

521
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,200
they said it was going to be. And this is

522
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,519
kind of do you agree with that? And do you

523
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,720
think that's a proper way to characterize the development of That's.

524
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: What would have happened, Like, that's what would have happened. Yeah,

525
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:11,840
because the way the way Adolf Hitler is going to

526
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,000
be remembered five years from now, he's gonna remember it

527
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,480
as the man who stopped like the Soviet Union from

528
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,000
dominating this entire planet.

529
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for saying that. Man that does.

530
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,639
Speaker 4: The Soviet Union never recovered from the Second World War,

531
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,719
like frankly, the fact that they the fact that they,

532
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,360
the fact that they after after after the Day of defeat,

533
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,440
the fact that the Soviets they dominated literally one sixth

534
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,599
of the land mass of this planet and for forty

535
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,480
five years, We're able to challenge for supremacy of the world.

536
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,920
After one in seven of their population went down in

537
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,960
four years and like just like unprecedented devastation was was

538
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,559
was delivered upon them, Like that's utterly incredible. So, yeah,

539
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,079
the Soviet Union would have been the world hedgemon, like

540
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,000
had the Third roy cannot essentially like fatally wounded it.

541
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,280
And yeah, Russia is an important country, even even in

542
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,039
its diminished the like state that it exists to.

543
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 3: It, I've spent some time there and they I would

544
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,280
say the most similar people culturally to the American is

545
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:30,920
the Russian.

546
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it. That was another Hitler and Yacki

547
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,039
points that America and the Soviet Union have more in

548
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,880
came of each other than either doesn't.

549
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: Europe yep, And I believe that was something with the

550
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,679
purchase or the sale of Alaska for as cheap as

551
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,519
it was. But if you look at the price of Alaska,

552
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,199
the Russians deliberately gave it to us for pennies on

553
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,880
the dollar. It didn't make a lot of sense at

554
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,840
the time, all right, But this is when Frederick Listed

555
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,320
gotten in everybody's heads because the smart, smart, fucking guy.

556
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,199
And from what I've been able to gather, the plan was,

557
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:13,840
Uhsar Nicholas was going to connect the Trans Siberian Railroad

558
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:19,360
with the Transcontinental Railroad, which had shots I think yep,

559
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,400
and they were going to connect up up in Alaska,

560
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,239
and you would have basically that would have basically like

561
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,159
that would have put Europe at the ass end of

562
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:32,920
the world. You had the largest industrial power the world

563
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,880
has ever seen, compared with you know, just integrated in

564
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,519
its supply chains, the largest natural resource power of the

565
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:41,519
world has ever seen.

566
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Speaker 5: In Europe that has no natural resources to speak of.

567
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: Yep.

568
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: No, it's like we are you talking about this railway?

569
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,840
Was that pre or post World War two?

570
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,079
Speaker 5: Uh?

571
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:57,119
Speaker 3: Pre World War One?

572
00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

573
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 4: Tzars Empire, No, it was all the No, right, the

574
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,960
Russian Empire was was tremendously powerful too. That's why when

575
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,599
what announced that the Japanese arrived as as a as

576
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:20,599
a world power was because they they defeated the Russian

577
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,440
Navy and he humiliated them and then that's that was

578
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,960
a big deal. And well what on the evil World

579
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,239
War Two? When this when the Red Army smashed the

580
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,119
Japanese at Calcan Goal, because that was like that was

581
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:39,519
like Russia's revenge and the Japanese Empire. But yeah, no,

582
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:45,679
Russia's uh Russian Russians are very interesting people, man. Yeah,

583
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,159
I agree. I I don't want to be abrupt, but

584
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:50,920
I gotta, I gotta raise up in a minute, because

585
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,800
I gotta. I still gonna pack and do a bunch

586
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,039
of stuff. I'm gonna'm gonna wait for like Astro and

587
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,440
Peza come back, because they seem to have gone away.

588
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:06,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, before you bounce, what do you think? I'd love

589
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,320
to get your take on this? What do you think

590
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,239
of European right wing political call it not just philosophy,

591
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,360
but also organizational structures maps onto the US because just

592
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,480
as far as like our cultural heritage are kind of

593
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,239
or veltenshang, I don't see much. And I think that

594
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,480
this is the problem with the right wing in America

595
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:38,159
and both and also the problem between US right wing

596
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:42,800
people and the kind of animosity that we've seen recently

597
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,639
develop from our European counterparts about.

598
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: Us, Well, yeah, I mean the Europeans these days, like

599
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,800
the mainstream doesn't know what the fuck's going on, Like

600
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,199
they're idiots. Like I know some of the I know

601
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,239
some of the alterna for deutsch Land guys, know the

602
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,639
dude who's kind of like they're liaison with America and

603
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,599
he's a good guy, and they're like good people. But

604
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,840
I so I'm not gonna say anything bad about them,

605
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,039
even if my reservations about the party. But no, Europe,

606
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,320
Europe right now is done. Like it's it's a large

607
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,880
I mean, like there there's a vanguarded, dedicated guys who

608
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:26,119
got mad respect for but like they're they're, they're, they're

609
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,480
they're a complete fucking mess. Historically, I mean, there's things

610
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:35,480
do there's things that can be gleaned. It's I mean,

611
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,440
it's it's it's complicated, and especially the Prussian tradition, which

612
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:51,280
is very Protestant, albeit of a different lineage than ours.

613
00:39:51,599 --> 00:40:00,840
But there are there are perennial things to glean from

614
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,519
the intellectual canon that that they created, that Potego culture.

615
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,360
They know, people like Joseph de Maestro. It was a

616
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,599
something of a heterodotic that's the reason why people compare

617
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,280
him to Edmund Burke. See was like very much like

618
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,639
a heterodoxic kindent a thinker. And at the end of

619
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,480
the day, if you're if you're if you're truly right wing,

620
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:28,320
like Hegel is sort of Hagel Aristotle and Heidegger should

621
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,599
kind of be like your canon. Okay, So you can't

622
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,960
escape that because America is an incomplete society because it uh,

623
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,239
it lacks a medieval origin, you know, So there's not

624
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,199
that there's not like an American philosophical canon. You know,

625
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:51,880
there's a theological canon, there's there's definitely an ethical disposition,

626
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,599
there's a cultural heritage. But you can't you can't like redact,

627
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,960
you can't react kind of all thought and and have

628
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,480
any sort of grounding and in a in a theory

629
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,840
of politics or a praxis. But that's that's a huge topic.

630
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,760
I can't I can't break it down simply in the

631
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,840
next couple of minutes. But yeah, again, I mean to

632
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,119
be a brought but I gotta I gotta pack, and

633
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:20,760
I'm not going to sleep tonight, but i gotta rest

634
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,719
my eyes and stuff. So I'm going to take leave.

635
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:29,079
But when I get when I get back from Arkansas,

636
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,119
when you guys do another stream, I'll be able to

637
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:32,079
dedicate more time.

638
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that we touched on

639
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,880
that I think we should talk about more in depth.

640
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Europe doesn't get everyone new, I think that.

641
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,199
I think that the dialogue between what is the American right,

642
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:51,599
what it's becoming, and how it's different and how it's

643
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,000
the same is going to be a fruitful conversation for

644
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:55,559
some time, and I think one that needs to be

645
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,280
flushed out. Yeah.

646
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:03,039
Speaker 4: No, that that's definitely an important topic and it's it, Uh,

647
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:07,400
it's fertile ground, so to speak, for a lot of

648
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:15,440
important ideas to be unpacked. But yeah, when when you

649
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,159
guys upload this alert me, you know, I like, I'll

650
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,639
restack it and I link it on my social media

651
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,440
and stuff. But yeah, I'll be I'll be in touch

652
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,800
with you guys over the weekend. And I think the

653
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,159
o GC guys when we're out in Oregansas, they always

654
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,639
do like a big stream, so I'll participate in that

655
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:37,239
and I'll alert you guys over like social media. And yeah,

656
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,599
like I said, I want to I want to connect

657
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,480
with you guys when I get back regardless, but I yeah,

658
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:46,519
I wanna. I want to promote the movie, so we'll

659
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,239
talk about that too, if you guys are willing to

660
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,360
help me. But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna show very.

661
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: Much, very excited.

662
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that was that was good stuff. I look

663
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,119
forward to the next time. That was fascinating.

664
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 4: No, I enjoyed talking to you guys man as well. Yeah,

665
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,719
rfl is. I'll I'll be in touch with you guys

666
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,440
in the next couple of days.

667
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: Travis later.

668
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: So I don't want to spend any more time on

669
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:18,840
it tonight, just because it's way too big of a topic.

670
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,920
But his characterization of the folk ways of America and

671
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,760
American history, which is how that book Al Beyonce Seed,

672
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,039
what that book Al Beyonce Seed is about. Thomas's characterization

673
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,840
is great. I love that he said we shouldn't think

674
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,239
of the Puritans as proto commis because I never thought

675
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,119
of them as proto commis. I thought they were. I

676
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,880
fucking think they're awesome. I think they're based. I think

677
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,320
it's crazy how they got this like terrible reputation in

678
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,360
American history. And I see people saying this all the

679
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,679
time on the right, like they they accept this take

680
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,360
on them h and I rejected completely. So he's like

681
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,039
the first guy I've heard say that in a while.

682
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,119
So I look forward to to more talk on this, stormy.

683
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: What do you think were fucking two hundred years of

684
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,599
race war before anybody who went out.

685
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,559
Speaker 1: West, they were some of the most base people that

686
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:18,440
ever fucking lived, dude. And then I go on, like

687
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,079
the dissident right, and they're like, they turned them into

688
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,639
like the first Liberals, which I think might come from Mouldbug,

689
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,039
But I'm not sure if that's where people are getting that,

690
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,440
I wouldn't be surprised.

691
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,519
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.

692
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

693
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:41,119
Speaker 5: Think the path is is the path goes from the

694
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:47,119
Reformation to the Enlightenment to the French Revolution to you know,

695
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:51,719
basically where we are now. That's what that's what the

696
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,320
path is.

697
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: Enlightenment.

698
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 5: Say that again, the Protestant Reformation to the Enlightenment. There's

699
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,599
no enlighten meant without the Protestant Reformation, there's no French

700
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,559
Revolution without the Enlightenment, and YadA, YadA down the line.

701
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,519
Speaker 1: Do you think that skipped us or do you think

702
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,119
that we are direct a result in that?

703
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 5: Oh? I think we just adopted. We adopted a different

704
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:25,639
form of liberalism. So you you look at two different revolutions.

705
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:28,400
You have a revolution in this country and you have

706
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,519
a revolution in France. It don't happen at the same time.

707
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,960
But I mean we're talking about what a fifteen year period,

708
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,400
fifteen year separation.

709
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well okay, good, sorry, go ahead.

710
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the revolution here is for enlightenment values. You

711
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:53,239
it's kind of hard to listen to read the the

712
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,280
language of the documents and not see the Enlightenment in it. Well,

713
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,360
seventeen eighty nine will say that they were in fired

714
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,280
by they were inspired by the same thing. Well, one

715
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:11,039
one just handles the getting rid of a one deals

716
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:15,840
with regicide the other way and basically killing the all

717
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:22,679
of you, all of the aristocracy and manually like literally,

718
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,519
and then they just just try to destroy the aristocracy

719
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:32,199
here by having a more you know, bill of rights,

720
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:38,199
you know, individual rights kind of thing. So I think

721
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,920
the parallels are pretty easy to see, and we all

722
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,599
pretty much end up the same place. The only thing

723
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,079
is is that World War One gets fought, and it's

724
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,440
hard to ignore the fact that World War One seems

725
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,280
to have been fought to destroy the remaining monarchies that

726
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,440
were left, and any monarchy that was left after that

727
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,639
was going to be purely parliamentary or was going to

728
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,880
be a parliamentary monarchy, and it's really just a monarchy

729
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,239
and name only. I mean, how many times has the

730
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,480
monarchy in England had a chance to completely and they

731
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:21,559
have this right in their law the monarchy can destroy

732
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:26,119
that can get rid of Parliament and take over at

733
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:32,119
any time and rule as monarchs, but they don't. Why

734
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:34,800
is that idea has just been destroyed?

735
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree with Pete and I think that there is.

736
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,679
I mean, it's kind of like Boomert here. But when

737
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:46,119
you look at how much power these individuals have, I

738
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,320
think a lot of that came out of the Fabian

739
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:56,239
society because if you look at the web of intentional

740
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,840
trip wire mutual defense treaties that Britain was running a

741
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,119
round setting up in the wake before World War One,

742
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,159
it basically made it impossible for this to not irrupt,

743
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:11,239
not only involve Britain, but irrupt into World War Like

744
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,400
it's so much worse than what they're doing today with

745
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,159
like oh, we're going to sneak in Like I don't

746
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:18,679
know if anybody knows this. But there is something called

747
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,480
the Joint Expeditionary Force that sits on top of NATO

748
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,760
that is run by the UK, has his own command

749
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,599
to control infrastructure, but has access to any and all

750
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,119
NATO MENI material. They plan their own missions. They specialize

751
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,840
in grey zone warfare, like this sits on top of NATO.

752
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,199
Nobody even fucking knows this exists. So there's also these

753
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:43,639
other things that you know exists that most even Brits

754
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,079
don't know about. That there is a mutual defense treaty

755
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:53,199
between Poland and the UK, the same exact country that

756
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,559
they're trying to tee up to go into Ukraine right now,

757
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:01,960
knowing that that would trigger a war with Russia and Britain.

758
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,920
Like they're doing the same shit again. And I can't

759
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,000
imagine it's for much of a different reason than what

760
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,760
Pete is describing, because if you look at it like

761
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,760
a calculated way of taking out the monarchies and then

762
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,119
setting up all of these overlapping and interconnecting mutual defense

763
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:27,000
treaties for relatively like shithold nations like you know, Slovakia,

764
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,519
no offense, Slovakia is tony, Like what is it? At

765
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:33,119
that point? In time, like we're talking about global Britain,

766
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:38,800
height of world Empire. What exactly interest is it of Britain's,

767
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,760
you know, to to ensure and protect the territorial integrity

768
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:50,960
of Slovakia. So yeah, I think Pete is onto something

769
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,440
about the deliberate destruction of the monarchies of Europe. I

770
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,920
don't think that's a conspiracy. And I think the documentation

771
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,159
of the treaties at the time backup Wace.

772
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: About World War One.

773
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,599
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say, but in terms of

774
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:10,440
the tradition political traditions in America, I think that ours

775
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,039
are a lot more spontaneous and sort of built from

776
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,239
the ground up as opposed to imposed or implemented by

777
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,920
like a philosophical tradition and thought system. So I'm glad

778
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Pete brought up Yacki earlier too, because he makes it

779
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:34,360
a point in imperium to say that the spirit of

780
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,559
the revolution and the doctrine of the revolution are two

781
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,039
kind of different things. That the doctrine of the revolution,

782
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:44,280
like Pete said, if you read the documents, it's basically

783
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,000
just all transposed from France and from England, or excuse me,

784
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:54,719
from Europe. Whereas the pioneer spirit comes with it a

785
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,760
desire not to be ruled. And this gets back I

786
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,639
mean Stormy when we were talking before the show.

787
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 5: Uh, it's not a pioneer spirit, it's a pirate spirit.

788
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,920
Remember a lot of these a lot of these guys

789
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,880
were smugglers. I mean, yeah, that's.

790
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: Part of it. That's part of it. I think it's

791
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,199
all like of one thing.

792
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: You know.

793
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,159
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to cut you off. I think they're

794
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,960
all the same thing though. That's all I'm saying.

795
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete, go into that a little bit more.

796
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 5: What do you mean, Well, I mean a lot of

797
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,119
the well, what was what was one of the problems?

798
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:37,519
He taxes things. They were smuggling things in illegally. I

799
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,599
mean that that's the way these people. They a lot

800
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,719
of the found thing Stock made their money, and especially

801
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,760
the aristocrats and the Southerners. You know, let's talk about

802
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,119
the southers and and the Northerners because really when you

803
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:56,400
look at Southern the Southern culture was based out of Virginia.

804
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,360
Thomas and I have talked about this before, if you

805
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,199
want to know where, and Paul Fahrenheit and I have

806
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,159
done it too, If you want to know where the

807
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,880
high culture in America was. It was in Virginia one

808
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,679
hundred percent. But there was if there was any kind

809
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,599
of even close competition in the North, it was out

810
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:17,280
of Boston. And notice these are places that are both

811
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,199
harbor you know, Virginia's how many harbors are in Virginia

812
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,639
where they're bringing things in. Then you have Boston, which

813
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,480
is another harbor. These people were smugglers, they were you know,

814
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,280
they were bootleggers, they were all of these things. And

815
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,400
it goes back to you know what Thomas was talking about.

816
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,960
It's more of an outlaw culture. It's more of we're

817
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:46,039
going to do whatever we want. And I think a

818
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:50,119
lot of what you I think a lot of the

819
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,280
break had to do with the fact that you can

820
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,199
only do that for so long until you have to

821
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,360
until you want to legitimize it. And you can't legitimize

822
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,119
it if you're under if you're under the crown, or

823
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:08,840
you're under another authority, so you have to become the authority.

824
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,039
I think that's what you know people, it's just elite.

825
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:18,039
It's more like elite theory that you can squeeze into it.

826
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,920
It's like, well, we need a new elite class and

827
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,239
it's going to be us, and we want to run

828
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,400
things away. We want to run them and well, we're

829
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,480
going to write this revolution. Okay, we're going to have

830
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,199
our independence. Okay, we're going to have this Articles of Confederation. Well,

831
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,800
the Articles of Confederation aren't centralizing enough for the kind

832
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,320
of things we want to do. So let's go and

833
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,960
amend the Articles of Confederation. Oh but what we're going

834
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:46,239
to do is we're going to lock the door. We're

835
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,679
going to throw the articles out. We're going to write

836
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:52,280
something completely new, which is a constitution which centralizes power

837
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,280
to the government and allows it to tax the people.

838
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:04,280
And basically the bootleggers and the pirates took over. That's

839
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,679
pretty much how I see the founding of America through

840
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,320
my you know, yeah, I'm I'm sure I come from

841
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,639
a large criminal line too, when you consider that actually

842
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,159
it was my people who actually came to came to

843
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,360
America and you know, landed, landed in uh, landed in

844
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,960
Florida and put their put their feet on the ground.

845
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:32,000
And why were they doing that. There were a bunch

846
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,760
of psychopaths who decided they were going to try and

847
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,360
take a shortcut do stupid things like that.

848
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: To Pete's point, all, if you want to know who

849
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,320
the twenty British men in America at the time of

850
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:52,039
the Constitution was, just look at the signers. Yeah, the

851
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,119
I mean they were I mean, every single man on

852
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:02,039
that document would be a Forbes, you know, rich list

853
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,599
of America. They were the richest people in the country,

854
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:12,440
right solidifying their rule. It was very much an elite takeover.

855
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,119
Speaker 5: I mean George Washington, George Washington was one of the

856
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,119
major liquor distillers in the country.

857
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: Yep.

858
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 5: I mean people are oh, oh, the country wasn't even

859
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,880
ten years old and we had rebellion and the federal

860
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,480
government went out there to crush the rebellion. What was

861
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,239
he What were they?

862
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:34,599
Speaker 3: Oh?

863
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:40,599
Speaker 5: It was over whiskey distilling? Why what was the what

864
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,480
was the president's business? Oh?

865
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:49,519
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and that was over taxing whiskey? Wasn't it

866
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:50,119
over them.

867
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,639
Speaker 3: Taxing taxing competing whiskey?

868
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: Well, Pete, no, I'm glad you said that, because I

869
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,920
think the pioneer spirit, the pirate spirit, the outlaws spirit,

870
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,559
the cowboy they're all like the same thing.

871
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,039
Speaker 3: You know, they're pulling on something.

872
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, something I like to say, but I don't say

873
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,639
it that much because there's so many negative connotations with

874
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:24,320
this world word. Anarchism in America is a much different

875
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,840
thing than European anarchism because anarchism as a philosophy, as

876
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,840
a thought system was kind of created by socialists in

877
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:34,599
Europe in the nineteen hundreds.

878
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: But anarchy in America was like a.

879
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: Living, breathing experience that you know, people had in different

880
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,280
forms as the country developed over the years, and it

881
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,159
was just they wouldn't call it anarchy, it was just

882
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:57,559
being an American from as the country moved west, there

883
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:02,360
was all this opportunity for so you know, here we

884
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,079
are in twenty twenty five, and that spirit, that impetus

885
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,719
inside Americans still lives on to this day. And Stormy,

886
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,960
one of the things you were saying to me in

887
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,519
our conversation that kind of birthed this episode was that, like,

888
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:21,320
you don't necessarily think the aesthetics and the ideologies of

889
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,760
what and the philosophy is of European right wingism is

890
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,480
necessarily going to appeal to Americans. And I think you

891
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,119
were you were definitely getting at, as far as I

892
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,840
understood you, people who don't consider themselves right wing now

893
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,480
who are kind of like undecided or apolitical that we

894
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:43,800
want to appeal to. Like we have to consider that,

895
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,760
like maybe the European aesthetics and the European ideas and

896
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,760
philosophy isn't going to appeal to Americans.

897
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean, we've never had a only only.

898
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: Some Americans, and it's possible that a lot of those

899
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Americans are already kind of here, you know what I'm saying,

900
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:04,000
Like the Americans that that's going to work on are

901
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
already with us. And no, we never had a monarchy.

902
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:10,280
Were kind of like set up against the monarchy.

903
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:12,559
Speaker 3: You've never had a cast system.

904
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 5: Go ahead, people, right Exactly, Things started going downhill because

905
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:23,480
especially when it came to immigration, because we already had

906
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,719
all the best people in the world. You know, Hitler

907
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,760
said in his second book that the all of the

908
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,760
best Germans were all of the top Germans were already

909
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,760
in the United States. And when you look at it,

910
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,639
did when did immigration really start falling apart? Well, it

911
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,679
was when you when the top people in the world

912
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,320
stopped coming here and we were just based they were

913
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,960
all here, you know. I mean, if you want to

914
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,760
look at people from if you want to look at

915
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,360
the twentieth century, and you want to look at the

916
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,639
best Americaans, you're going to have heritage Americans and the

917
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:05,480
ones that aren't heritage Americans who came here from somewhere else.

918
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,119
In the twentieth century, they were the top, top of

919
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:11,880
the cast up and they were the top cast in

920
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,679
their countries up until a certain point.

921
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:15,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were.

922
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what you know. Giant even that that

923
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:27,239
Indian guy interviewed Giant Bandari said, he said, the problem

924
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:31,360
with that America doesn't understand about Indians is you haven't

925
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,400
even met the average Indian yet. The best Indians in

926
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,039
India are already here and they're not the I mean,

927
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,679
and he won't tell you that they're Americans and that

928
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,360
they should be here. No, they he will say they

929
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,079
shouldn't be here. But he's like, oh, you think you

930
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,679
have it bad now just wait.

931
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. No, I

932
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,599
don't think they are after I think I sent you

933
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,800
that post recently just to do a quick victory lap

934
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,000
on Astrol's face, which he very much deserves.

935
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't wanna we can do this, but I

936
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,079
don't want to get off Pete's point first.

937
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: And we can go back to the H one B thing.

938
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it looks like we're not getting a million.

939
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,119
It looks like Elon Musk is not getting his billion jeets.

940
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,480
So apparently someone is thinking along the lines that Pete

941
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:27,000
is thinking.

942
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,239
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, So the demographics of the country are

943
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,440
not they're not sending their best.

944
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,599
Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. They're not sending their best.

945
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,719
Speaker 5: So and arguably all the all the best Mexicans were

946
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,360
already here in Mexico, I mean in Texas. They were

947
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:55,360
all I would agree with that. Yeah yeah, so it's like, okay,

948
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,920
well now you're just importing. You're just importing the the

949
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,840
lowest iq. I mean, if anyone who's ever spent any

950
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,199
time in Texas, when you meet someone you know is

951
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:13,880
it's Tejano, that person is pretty much as they're cowboys.

952
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,559
They're like Old West cowboys. That's the kind of spirit

953
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:22,639
they have. They don't have a subversive spirit. They have

954
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:29,320
a cowboys spirit, and that's pretty much what built this country.

955
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:30,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

956
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if I look at pictures of like the

957
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:39,840
the monasteries and stuff in southern California and just the

958
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:44,039
people that were there before it became a part of America,

959
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,559
Like they're the most Tejano looking motherfuckers you're going to

960
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,159
see anywhere south of the Rio Grande.

961
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,719
Speaker 2: Well those were probably built by the Spanish.

962
01:01:54,719 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: Uh, that's talking about Yeah, of course, Thomas talked about

963
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,800
that in the California series.

964
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 5: It's like, really, the Mexicans that were in California and

965
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,599
bet in California forever, there's no problem with them and

966
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,679
heritage Americans who want to scream about that, Oh, well,

967
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,639
don't you shouldn't have bought the fucking land. You shouldn't

968
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:22,440
have got when they ain't got that land. Yeah, it

969
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:23,159
was Mexico.

970
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:29,599
Speaker 3: That was anybody's talking to shut the fuck up hardly.

971
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,119
Speaker 5: It's like, you want to complain about Mexicans. Mexicans in Texas.

972
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:39,719
There there I've met people in I met Mexicans in Texas,

973
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,760
people who their families were there when it was Mexico.

974
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 3: Yep, okay right now by the Wahawkans.

975
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

976
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:53,239
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody from the mainstream liberal media and

977
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,440
the online right wing says the same thing, like, oh,

978
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,880
there's Mexicans in America who are against elige immigration, Like

979
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,519
it's this big fucking shocking thing. It's like, no, those

980
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:07,400
are Americans. Those people are Americans. They they only that

981
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:11,840
wasn't America until eighteen fifty and they were just living

982
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,639
there before and after we annexed it.

983
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 3: You know, they were the only reason that we we

984
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,320
needed both of them to kill the commands shee.

985
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:22,559
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, And that's why you yeah, exactly, that's

986
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:26,360
why you specified wa Hawkins because the people coming over

987
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,559
illegally now are totally different.

988
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,039
Speaker 2: They're completely different.

989
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: They look just like night and day.

990
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 5: When Sam when Sam Houston went to went to Texes,

991
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,320
or when Steve Austin went to left Tennessee and went

992
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,719
to Texas, they weren't attacked by Mexicans. They weren't attacked

993
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,760
by Indians. That's who killed Yeah, that's who killed my

994
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:55,400
wife's ancestors in Texas. It was Indian attacks. It wasn't Mexicans.

995
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,400
The Mexicans were fighting the Indians alongside them.

996
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:03,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. People don't understand what the country was like. I mean,

997
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,400
when was the gold rush eighteen fifty to eighteen seventy

998
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:16,119
eighteen eighty. You if you were going to go be

999
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:21,639
a gold miner and prospect to claim, you would rather

1000
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:26,559
spend eight to nine months on a ship I mean,

1001
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:29,280
like it'll make the Maria, the Pin and the Santa

1002
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:35,119
Maria look, you know, like luxury cruise lines. In comparison

1003
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:37,199
to these ships. You would spend a year on a

1004
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:42,239
ship going from New York all the way around South

1005
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:47,519
America past the cape of what is it Cape Horn,

1006
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:52,000
and then all the way back to the West coast.

1007
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,760
That was more favorable than the idea of you having

1008
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,280
to cross America, like to get an idea of like

1009
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:07,280
how hostile the interior of America was. Yeah, white people,

1010
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:10,280
you would rather go on a boat for a year

1011
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:15,000
around the fucking world and get in a carried wagon

1012
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,719
and get your ass across the country because you would

1013
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:20,719
have probably died.

1014
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: I have an episode in In a Horrible Way, and

1015
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,000
there's a scene in that book that is based on

1016
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:30,360
a real life thing, and I go into it much

1017
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,800
more detail in the Blood Meridian episode. So I can't

1018
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,679
remember the exact details, but you can look up newspaper

1019
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,239
articles about this in Arizona newspapers from like eighteen seventy

1020
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:47,480
or whatever. There was a ford across the river that

1021
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:51,719
was basically manned by Indians and they were charging They

1022
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:55,440
were charging settlers and people in the gold Rush and

1023
01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:58,840
emigrants to go across it, and there was like a

1024
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,639
high class forward where you know, they would take your

1025
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:03,719
stuff and they'd bring you across in a poll ship

1026
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,679
and they would they would bring your horses across, and

1027
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:08,400
it was pretty shallow, and there was a low class

1028
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,239
forward that was like way less expensive, but like you

1029
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,360
might just get swept away from the river in that fort,

1030
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:20,360
and outlaws and comanche would regularly raid the place and

1031
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,679
you know, rob the settlers, rob the Indians who were

1032
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,400
collecting fair and it was basically like you're taking your

1033
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,000
life into your own hands going across this fort. Part

1034
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,199
of the reason why the West was able to be

1035
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,239
developed so much as it was at the time that

1036
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,360
it was, and part of the reason why the gold

1037
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,840
rush became like, you know that much more people going

1038
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,639
across is because a group of outlaws, and this is

1039
01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:47,719
depicted in the book Blood Meridian take over the ford,

1040
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:52,639
massacre everybody there, Kill the low class forward down down

1041
01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:55,719
the stream where the Indians were charging less money, kill

1042
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,000
all of them. And instead of taking over the ford

1043
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:02,440
and like charging people for it, they would just rob

1044
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,880
anyone who showed up and just kill them. And then

1045
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,639
Indians would come and they'd get in huge battles at

1046
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:09,880
the ford, so the US military had to go and

1047
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,760
take the ford over and protect it. And they're the

1048
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,239
ones who started ushering people across, and like, this is

1049
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,440
part of how the gold Rush was able to happen.

1050
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,079
This is part of how people were able to actually

1051
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:23,679
settle the West. So it's exactly what Stormy was talking about,

1052
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,320
and I go into it in much detail. I remember

1053
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,840
the name of the ford at the time and all

1054
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,760
that stuff in that episode.

1055
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was insane. And that was in the

1056
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,039
eighteen nineties, eighteen eighties.

1057
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:37,039
Speaker 5: No, it was like seven one.

1058
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,039
Speaker 2: And these these outlaws.

1059
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: By the way, the reason why they were even there

1060
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:45,239
in the first place was because the Mexican government was

1061
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,440
paying them for Comanche or Apache scalps. They killed all

1062
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,079
the Apaches, sold all the scalps, then they massacred a

1063
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:56,079
bunch of Mexican like citizens, sold all their scalps, and

1064
01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:59,119
then the government chased them out of the country because

1065
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,760
they were like, we can't have these people, these you know,

1066
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,119
free bruders running around massacrering people. The Mexican army chases

1067
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:08,000
them out of the country and they go straight to

1068
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:10,400
this ford that's the next thing that they do. This,

1069
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:13,480
that's what the book is about. And it all really happened.

1070
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks that, like, oh, since World War Two, America

1071
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,119
has just been one war and after another. We've been

1072
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:27,399
at war since the very first ship landed in America.

1073
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:34,119
It has been NonStop racial violence. And I mean we

1074
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,000
can say that horrible things happened in Europe. Horrible things

1075
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,680
did happen in Europe, but nothing was horrible on the

1076
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,920
scale of the American Indian Wars. I mean, cruelty exists

1077
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:46,079
like that anymore.

1078
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,159
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear how Pete where Pete is

1079
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,640
with this. But for me personally, like when I was

1080
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,720
much much younger, I kind of had the idealistic look

1081
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,840
at the Native Americans like, oh, they were living in

1082
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,319
a state of nature and they were the the stereotypical

1083
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,560
noble savages and we should just live like they do,

1084
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,840
and basically that white people genocided them and were mean

1085
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:08,239
to them.

1086
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,119
Speaker 2: But then when you read.

1087
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: What really happens, uh, it was, it was it was

1088
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,600
like a fucking nightmare, like Native a Mayor. I think

1089
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,359
that movie The Witch, by the way, is about Native Americans.

1090
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,920
Actually in the movie it's like a satanic force that's

1091
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,840
out in the woods that's like stealing their children and stuff.

1092
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:29,079
Speaker 2: But I think it's all.

1093
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: Metaphorical for the native of the Native Americans, because these

1094
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,279
fit these settlers would just be out in the wilderness

1095
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:41,199
and Indians would just appear out of the woods, massacre everybody,

1096
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,680
kill the babies, kill the men, and take the women

1097
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,039
and rape them and turn them into their you know,

1098
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,880
concubines so that they could breed. And every once in

1099
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,039
a while you'd get a settler who just has that

1100
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:56,199
happened to them, and they go absolutely fucking insane and

1101
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,600
go massacre a bunch of Indians, like in retribution.

1102
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes they would do that. Sometimes they would put the

1103
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,199
women in a giant deerskin sack, fill that sack full

1104
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,319
of water and then hold them out over the fire

1105
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:10,800
and boil the women to death. And that would happen too.

1106
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like all of this, like American horror story

1107
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,600
about the demon coming out of the woods and stuff.

1108
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: I think all of that.

1109
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: Once I learned about what it was really like to

1110
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,159
be a settler in America in the East in the

1111
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:29,600
sixteen hundreds in the East, I was like, oh, this

1112
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,159
is where all of American horror stories come from. It's

1113
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:37,159
this deep seated, fucking blood memory of savages like materializing

1114
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:38,600
out of the forest in the middle of the night

1115
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,439
and massacring your family. So I don't know, Pete, I

1116
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,680
was wondering, like, if you had a similar trajectory. Obviously

1117
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,079
I'm stating the case much more bluntly. It's it's obviously

1118
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:52,800
more nuanced.

1119
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,079
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean sure. I read the book Black

1120
01:10:56,119 --> 01:11:03,119
Elk Speaks by Art nithartt Niheart, and they he it's

1121
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:11,279
always the the spiritual, the overly spiritual warrior. Who doesn't

1122
01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:14,920
you know, we will fight if we have to. That's

1123
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:19,439
not the reality of what of what these people were.

1124
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:23,239
Arguments could be made that some of the north Northeastern

1125
01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:28,079
Indians who actually worked with white worked with white settlers

1126
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:34,039
and even when they started forming their own governments, they

1127
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:40,960
they worked with them, that they they were friendly. But

1128
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,439
when when you start going out into the west, you know,

1129
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:48,199
I mean dances what wolves probably did more to promote

1130
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:55,359
the this Oh, just the peaceful Indians who never oh,

1131
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,279
there's this other tribe, and that other tribe attacks them.

1132
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:02,399
Everyone in a while, they were all out there killing

1133
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,479
each other all out there killing each other. They're just

1134
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,479
there were warring factions all across this country. You know,

1135
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,560
you'll see every once in a while you'll see someone

1136
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,960
put up a map of the the United States and

1137
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,319
it'll be it'll show where all the tribes were. It's like, oh,

1138
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:24,079
this is the real America. Uh yeah, do you don't

1139
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:27,239
how many do you have any wars they fought against

1140
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:31,600
each other? Do you have do you think they had

1141
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:38,279
any kind of Christian any kind of Christian idea of hey,

1142
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,000
maybe we shouldn't be killing kids or something like that

1143
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:47,319
in war? I mean, it's it's all just somebody else

1144
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:51,039
writing our writing the history for us. It's all something

1145
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:54,319
being sold to certain things. So really it's just telling

1146
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:56,079
white people that you're you're evil.

1147
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

1148
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:03,399
Speaker 5: These savages, these these noble savages are better than you.

1149
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,399
So well, I mean you still got the savage in there, right, Well,

1150
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,840
what does that mean? Well? Can we define that and

1151
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,359
talk about that a little bit. No, we don't want

1152
01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:18,479
to know. It's just it's just telling Europeans that we're

1153
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,680
we're scum and that these people who didn't even have clothes,

1154
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:29,239
You didn't even have like real clothing and you know what,

1155
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,439
ran around half naked women too.

1156
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 3: There.

1157
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 5: They were just so much better than you, and it

1158
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,119
was such a peaceful land until you showed up. Okay,

1159
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:46,119
sure you can believe that, but that's that's not the

1160
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,960
reality of what it is. That's just the worst of

1161
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:52,800
revisionist history. And it's not even revisionist history, it's just propaganda.

1162
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the reasons for demons are as strong in America

1163
01:13:57,359 --> 01:13:59,399
in certain places as they are as the amount of

1164
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:10,800
blood spell I think. And yes, yeah, it's that scared

1165
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,239
blood hitting the ground. It's there. There is a certain

1166
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:24,279
malicious spiritual element to certain parts of the United States

1167
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:29,279
where you can just really bad stuff happened there long

1168
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:33,159
before we were over there. Like, America is a lot

1169
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:38,760
older than people think. I don't know where I'm going that,

1170
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,720
but I mean, I mean had some private conversations about

1171
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,079
certain places in America.

1172
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 5: I'll take it to you, you know, I'll take it. Well,

1173
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:49,880
how about if we were trying to we were trying

1174
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,800
to investigate all of the places where the most violent

1175
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,319
crime happens. Mm hmm, yeah, and see what to see

1176
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:00,960
what the history of that land is, See what the

1177
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,960
history of what was done in the South side of

1178
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,479
on the land of the South Side of Chicago or Birmingham, Alabama,

1179
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:09,560
places like that.

1180
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with either of those. What happened in

1181
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,239
the South Side of.

1182
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:18,239
Speaker 5: Chicago, Oh, I don't know. I'm saying. I'm saying, if

1183
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:21,079
you were to go back, is there something haunted about

1184
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:21,560
that place?

1185
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,239
Speaker 3: You could say you could definitely say that.

1186
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:29,279
Speaker 5: In Louisiana, Oh, well, Louisiana, New Orleans food, I mean

1187
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,600
if the Creole have been there practicing voodoo for how

1188
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:35,560
many centuries now?

1189
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and I can't remember the name of the

1190
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,920
Indians that lived there, but were particularly violent. They were

1191
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,000
the ones that came in and wiped out a majority

1192
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:53,039
of the people before the Seminoles. They basically wiped out

1193
01:15:53,039 --> 01:15:56,840
every single man, moment, and child, and in the in

1194
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:03,720
the Floridas. So there there were these pockets of particularly

1195
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:09,039
hyper violent And this is like another thing I don't

1196
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:13,760
think anyone on the European continent. I mean, the only

1197
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,560
thing you can compare it to is South Africa. I

1198
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,159
think the Europeans that came to America and the Europeans

1199
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:24,199
that came to South Africa experienced violence of a type

1200
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:28,000
that had been dead in Europe for a thousand years.

1201
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what you mean is the difference

1202
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:42,520
between the violence an established society experiences with its neighbors

1203
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,520
in like warfare and battle, versus the violence that you

1204
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,279
have to commit in order to like build a civilization.

1205
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,560
They're two totally different things, and.

1206
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 3: That's a very good violence.

1207
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's what you're trying to say.

1208
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 3: It's a very good point because I view and this

1209
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,079
is an unpopular opinion, but I don't view America as

1210
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:08,359
part of European civilization or a continuation of it. I

1211
01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:13,880
see it as its own separate thing. And you're absolutely right.

1212
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,039
The amount of violence it takes to establish a civilization

1213
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:21,199
is very, very different from the amount of violence it

1214
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:22,159
takes to maintain.

1215
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be.

1216
01:17:25,399 --> 01:17:29,239
Speaker 5: It has to be different, because it has to be.

1217
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,079
It has to be different because when when they came here,

1218
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:35,239
they didn't bring them the high culture of the old land.

1219
01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:38,159
They started their own there, a new one.

1220
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,399
Speaker 3: This is true. There was virtually nothing of it.

1221
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 5: The argument. Uh, Paul Fahrenheit and I have talked before about,

1222
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,840
you know, whether a colony can have its own high culture,

1223
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:59,359
because there's a high culture in the in the Motherland

1224
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:06,279
and it's like, well, the people who came here were

1225
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,600
did they still want to be British? Did they act?

1226
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:15,239
It seems like it was a very very different breed

1227
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:20,079
then came here than the ones that stayed there. And

1228
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:23,880
it almost seems like on a metaphysical level, those two

1229
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,199
groups had to separate or something bad was going to happen.

1230
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 3: And just think about the undertaking, like there was a

1231
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,760
ninety percent chance you were not even going to make

1232
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,279
it across the ocean. How motivated? Like what is possessing

1233
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,319
hundreds of thousands of people to do that? It wasn't

1234
01:18:44,359 --> 01:18:48,039
religious persecution. I don't believe that was it. I believe

1235
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:52,279
people can get swept up and motivated and driven by

1236
01:18:52,319 --> 01:18:57,560
a spirit that's bigger than themselves, Like I believe, I don't.

1237
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,520
I don't believe like Zeitgeist is like whatever the current

1238
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,399
thing is. I think that's you know, people that are

1239
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,479
closetly materialists and don't want to maybe say so, at

1240
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,800
least in our Spherites don't want to say so, but

1241
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,199
still have a materialist paradigm. I think that that's what

1242
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:17,760
they've usedgeist as, But I don't think that's what that

1243
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,600
word means at all. I think it is meant to

1244
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,640
be taken literally, like there is a There are spirits

1245
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:30,039
that you know, whether you call them another word, that

1246
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:33,720
nobody under fucking nobody in the right understands. Actually the

1247
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,960
leftist works with this word now that they figured it out.

1248
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,560
But in egg grigor there are certain spirits that are

1249
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:49,720
derived from men or from man in in mass form, right,

1250
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,279
hundreds of thousands of people together with the same ideas,

1251
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:58,439
will create a thing that's psychic in its nature, that

1252
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,119
is bigger than each and every one of them, that

1253
01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:02,079
will motivate them and drive them to do things that

1254
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:06,640
they never could have done or even thought possible. And

1255
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,000
that's that's what I see when I see hundreds of

1256
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,720
thousands of people taking what was at that point in

1257
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,600
time the risky to sea voyage, because I mean, you

1258
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,600
go to fucking India or you can go to China,

1259
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,800
and yeah, that was further away, but you basically just

1260
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,760
hugged the coast the whole time, right like nobody was

1261
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,920
going out across the fucking ocean like that wasn't happening.

1262
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,479
And that's what I mean. It'd be like if everyone

1263
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,000
started just going like we're all going to go to

1264
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:41,000
Mars and they they started piling into rockets and maybe

1265
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,880
one in ten would make it, and you'd be like,

1266
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,239
what the fuck are these people doing.

1267
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 5: As much as I like history, I don't I hate

1268
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:56,479
the minutia of history. Oh let's talk about this one person,

1269
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,600
or let's talk about and it's in important to talk

1270
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,800
about one person. But the thing I think, and I

1271
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,439
think this is one of the reasons why the episodes

1272
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,159
and the series I do with Thomas are so important,

1273
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:16,319
is because when it comes down to it, we're talking

1274
01:21:16,359 --> 01:21:20,159
about the spirit of what was being done and why

1275
01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:24,840
it was being done, not oh this person, oh that person.

1276
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,600
Sure that person is playing a part in it, but

1277
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,159
they're an actor in it. When it comes right down

1278
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:34,039
to it, there's a there's this over arching spirit of

1279
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:39,520
the age that is in play, and there are people

1280
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,840
acting within it. There are people who are absolutely possessed

1281
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,319
by it and are the ones that are pushing it

1282
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,439
and keeping it going. And then there are others who

1283
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,119
were saying, oh, we need to push back on this here,

1284
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,199
and those are all of those people are important. I mean,

1285
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,239
if you want to talk about World War two, people

1286
01:22:03,279 --> 01:22:05,920
want to talk about Hitler. People want to talk about FDR,

1287
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,560
people want to talk about Churchill. There's a reason nobody

1288
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,920
wants to talk about Stalin is because one, well, the

1289
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:19,199
United States sided with Stalin and they kind of want

1290
01:22:19,239 --> 01:22:21,840
to forget about that. And whenever you bring it up,

1291
01:22:22,319 --> 01:22:26,239
people's reaction to, oh, well, you know, the United States

1292
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:31,279
sided with a guy who killed twenty million of his

1293
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,680
own people. You know, killed ten million people before the

1294
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,920
war even started. But Hitler, but Hitler. Are you saying

1295
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,319
we should have sided with Hitler? But we should have

1296
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:47,880
been on the side of genocide. If you're not looking

1297
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,880
at all, if you leave Stalin out of it, and

1298
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,720
you leave exactly how he was used in the spirit

1299
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,560
of this age, you're missing what the spirit of the

1300
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,680
age is. I'm not saying that I even know one

1301
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,079
hundred percent what it is, but what I'm saying is

1302
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,039
you have to know all of the moving parts and

1303
01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:11,000
you have to be able to harmonize them in order

1304
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:14,640
to understand exactly what's going on at any given time

1305
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,279
when if you want to look at what's going on now,

1306
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,359
it's very very easy and we all do it. To

1307
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,800
go on social media and to go on Twitter x

1308
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:35,239
whatever you want to call it and nitpick and say, oh, Trump,

1309
01:23:35,319 --> 01:23:38,520
here's Trump being controlled by the Jews, Here's Trump being

1310
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,359
controlled by Silicon Valley, Here's Trump being controlled by this being.

1311
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:47,359
What is the overarching spirit of what we're experiencing right

1312
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:52,079
now and where is it taking us? And people don't

1313
01:23:52,079 --> 01:23:57,039
want to ask that question because it's too because well, basically,

1314
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:01,960
even the you have all these hardcore Christians out there,

1315
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,199
the joel Berries of the world, and you know, the

1316
01:24:05,319 --> 01:24:09,359
Neil Shenvi's of the world who think they're spiritual, and

1317
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:19,039
they're all materialists. And if you're a materialist, you you

1318
01:24:19,079 --> 01:24:23,359
can't even ask these questions. This question doesn't the spirit

1319
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,199
of the age doesn't make any sense to you. It

1320
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:30,439
can only be driven by men. But who are men?

1321
01:24:31,319 --> 01:24:35,239
Once you understand that men are driven, they're either pawns

1322
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:38,399
of the spirit of the age or they're driven by

1323
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:40,800
the spirit of the age. And every once in a

1324
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,199
while you'll get one who recognizes the spirit of the

1325
01:24:44,199 --> 01:24:49,279
age and is writing it and using it and using

1326
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:54,680
it in ways that are unseen, that are hard to

1327
01:24:54,720 --> 01:25:01,399
see unless you're looking for it. Well, I mean, then

1328
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,000
we're just playing. This is just this is just pieces

1329
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:12,720
on a board and everybody. You can't see it. You'll

1330
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,840
never be able to see a big picture. You'll never

1331
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,560
be able to see where we're going. I think one

1332
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,840
of the reasons why we were able to at the

1333
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:27,039
beginning of last year, even when when Ericson recognized like

1334
01:25:27,079 --> 01:25:29,880
the pyal, the whole PayPal mafia side of what was

1335
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,119
going on. The reason we were able to see that

1336
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:35,439
and we were able to call so much of what

1337
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,960
was going to happen is because we're not materialists. We

1338
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,600
were looking at it from a completely different angle than

1339
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,359
everybody else's. Everybody else is just looking at there's politics.

1340
01:25:45,359 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 3: Politics.

1341
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:52,279
Speaker 5: Oh, politics, politics, No, that's that's not what this is,

1342
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:57,359
I mean. And I think that's the reason why when

1343
01:25:57,399 --> 01:26:03,159
you saw what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, people immediately jumped

1344
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:07,439
to conspiracy theories. This has to be man man, that

1345
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:12,680
men plan this. This is one gigantic conspiracy. Trump's in

1346
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,640
on it. Trump's not in on it, and it's his

1347
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,880
people were in on it. That blood wasn't real. He

1348
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,359
cut his ear when he went down, like coul Cogan

1349
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:23,840
and you know, or a wrestler or something like that.

1350
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:29,479
They didn't leave it open that what happened there was

1351
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:34,239
going to lend itself to an overarching spirit of the

1352
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:38,800
age that's taking us somewhere, and now we're just riding

1353
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:42,720
it out and trying to figure out what is happening,

1354
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,680
what has happened, and what's going to come next. And sure,

1355
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,800
I'm open to making political arguments and from a real

1356
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,520
politique standpoint, but when it comes right down to it,

1357
01:26:57,359 --> 01:26:59,920
the reason I can see so much that other people

1358
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:02,600
can't see is because that's not the only thing I'm

1359
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,920
looking at. I'm looking at a much bigger picture. And

1360
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,680
when I'm looking at that bigger picture, and I'd step

1361
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,760
outside of myself and I'm like, oh, I think this

1362
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,760
is gonna happen, and I'm wrong. Oh, Pete was wrong.

1363
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:20,720
I'm sorry. I wasn't looking at it from a political standpoint.

1364
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:24,000
I was looking at it from something much bigger. And

1365
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:26,079
if you can't deal with that, if you think it's cope,

1366
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,319
please stop listening to me, you know, I mean, please

1367
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:35,159
just stop commenting. I mean, you're not my people, and

1368
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,279
I'm fine with that. I don't want I don't want

1369
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:41,680
an army. I want five or ten people that I

1370
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,920
can trust. You know that they're on the same wavelength

1371
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,479
as me. And you know, it's just one of Thomas's lines.

1372
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,960
It's like, I mean, you're not even in the game.

1373
01:27:52,319 --> 01:27:54,840
You're not You're definitely not playing the same game. I

1374
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,920
am so yeah.

1375
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,079
Speaker 3: I'd like to read you guys a quote an excerpt

1376
01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:04,880
from an interview that Carl Jung did with his time

1377
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,039
with Hitler, and I think that it will back up

1378
01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:12,720
a lot of what Pete is saying. There are two

1379
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,119
types of strong men in a primitive society. One is

1380
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:18,840
the chief, who is physically powerful, stronger than all of

1381
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,520
his competitors, and another was the medicine man, who is

1382
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,720
not strong himself, but was strong by reasons of the

1383
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:30,279
power in which the spirits of the people projected into him.

1384
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,720
Thus we had the Emperor and the Pope. Hitler belongs

1385
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:39,239
to the category of truly mystic medical men. His body

1386
01:28:39,279 --> 01:28:43,399
does not suggest strength. The outstanding characteristic of his physiognomy

1387
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,520
is a dreamy look. I was especially struck with it

1388
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,000
when I saw pictures of him taken in the Czechoslovaki

1389
01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:53,640
and crisis. I saw him, and I immediately saw the

1390
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:58,920
eyes of a seer. I asked, why is it that Hitler,

1391
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:02,600
who clearly made who nearly makes every German fall down

1392
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,199
and worship him, produces next to no impressions on a foreigner.

1393
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:12,680
Few foreigners respond at all, yet apparently every German in

1394
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,720
Germany does. It is because Hitler is the mirror of

1395
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,760
every German's unconscious soul. But of course he mirrors nothing

1396
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,239
for a non German. He is the loud speaker which

1397
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:27,520
magnifies the inaudible whisper of the German soul until it

1398
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,960
can be heard by the German's unconscious or the German's

1399
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,680
conscious ear. He is the first man to tell every

1400
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,920
German what he has been thinking and feeling all along

1401
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,720
in his unconscious about Germany and its fate, especially since

1402
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,880
the defeat in the World War. And the one characteristic

1403
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,159
which colors every German soul is an inferiority complex, a

1404
01:29:50,279 --> 01:29:58,439
complex of the younger brother. Hitler is not a political person.

1405
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:03,359
His power is not politic It is magic. To understand magic,

1406
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,760
one must understand what the unconscious is. It is to

1407
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,680
a part of our mental constitution over which we have

1408
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,600
little control, and which is stored with all sorts of

1409
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:20,439
impressions and sensations, which contain thoughts and even conclusions of

1410
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,039
which we are not aware. Besides the conscious impressions which

1411
01:30:25,079 --> 01:30:28,439
we receive, there are all sorts of impressions constantly impinging

1412
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:33,640
from impinging upon us and our sense organs, which we

1413
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:38,359
are not aware of. They come from somewhere else. They

1414
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:41,840
are too slight to attract our conscious attention. They lie

1415
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,159
beneath the threshold of consciousness. But all of these subliminal

1416
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:51,960
impressions and messages are recorded. Nothing is lost. Someone maybe

1417
01:30:52,079 --> 01:30:54,760
speaking in a faintly audible voice in the next room

1418
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,880
while we are talking here. You pay no attention to it.

1419
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,359
But the conversation next door is being recorded in your

1420
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,079
mind as surely as if it was standing in front

1421
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:07,680
of you. Now, the secret of Hitler's power is not

1422
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:12,359
that Hitler has an unconscious more plentifully stored than yours

1423
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:18,680
and mind. His secret is twofold. First, that his unconscious

1424
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:24,640
has an exceptional access to his consciousness. They are one,

1425
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,159
and second, he allows himself to be moved by it.

1426
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,399
He is like a man who listens intently to the

1427
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:37,039
stream consciousness in a whispered voice from a mysterious source,

1428
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:44,159
and then acts upon that voice. In our case, even

1429
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:48,680
if occasionally our unconscious does reach us through our dreams.

1430
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:53,239
We have too much rationality, too much cerebrum to obey it.

1431
01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:59,920
But Hitler listens, Hitler obeys. The true leader is always led.

1432
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:04,720
We can see it work in him. He himself has

1433
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,640
referred to his voice. His voice is nothing other than

1434
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,479
his own unconscious into which the German people have projected

1435
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,840
their own selves, That is, the unconscious of seventy eight

1436
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:20,119
million Germans. That is what makes him powerful. Without the

1437
01:32:20,199 --> 01:32:24,520
German people, he would be nothing. It was literally true

1438
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,880
when he said that whatever he is able to do

1439
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,680
is only because he has the German people behind him,

1440
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:38,880
because he is Germany. So with the unconscious being the

1441
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,920
receptacle of the souls of seventy eight million, he is powerful.

1442
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:48,159
And with his unconscious perception of the true balance of

1443
01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:51,600
political forces at home and in the world, he has

1444
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:56,359
been infallible. That is what makes political judgments which turn

1445
01:32:56,399 --> 01:32:59,479
out to be right against all the opinions of all

1446
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,800
of his advice, and against the opinions of all foreign observers.

1447
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,560
When this happens, it means only that the information gathered

1448
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:12,359
by him, gathered by his unconscious and reaching into his

1449
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:20,199
conscious by means of an exceptional talent, has been nearly correct,

1450
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,439
more correct than any of the all the others, Germans, foreigners,

1451
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:28,680
any who attempted to judge the situation and reached conclusions,

1452
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,560
they reached conclusions different than him, and they were wrong.

1453
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,960
I remarked that Hitler's voice continues to always be right.

1454
01:33:37,359 --> 01:33:39,720
And we are in a very interesting period of time.

1455
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,800
And something something that journalist sayn't question. Doctor Young gravely answers, Yes,

1456
01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:50,520
it seems that the German people are in a way.

1457
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:59,479
The Germans is remarkably like the Sham. It's a dumb MoMA.

1458
01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:04,119
He's doing a dumb like Bible, comparing it to Jesus

1459
01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:06,079
and the Jews in the Siah. But the Jews were

1460
01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:09,359
the people that rejected Jesus. So is an alergq. It

1461
01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:13,079
doesn't quite make sense. But here's the good part. Doctor

1462
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,239
Young said. He closely observed Hitler at his meeting with

1463
01:34:17,319 --> 01:34:20,560
Mussolini in Berlin. I was only a few yards away

1464
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,600
from him, but from the two men I could study

1465
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:28,439
them well. In comparison with Mussolini, Hitler was made upon

1466
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,119
me the impression of a sort of scaffolding of wood

1467
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:35,880
covered with clothes, an automaton with a mask, like a robot,

1468
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,960
or a mask of a robot. During the whole performance,

1469
01:34:40,039 --> 01:34:44,439
he never laughed. It was though he were in bad humor.

1470
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:49,199
He showed no human signs whatsoever. His expression was that

1471
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:53,439
of an inhumanly single minded purposeness. He seemed as if

1472
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,319
he might be a double of a real person, a

1473
01:34:56,319 --> 01:35:00,319
mirror reflection, and that Hitler the man might perhaps be

1474
01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:05,359
hiding inside, like in its appendix, deliberately so hiding as

1475
01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:08,359
to not disturb the mechanisms. With Hitler, you do not

1476
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,119
feel that you are with a man. You are with

1477
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:15,159
a medicine man, a form, a form of spiritual vessel,

1478
01:35:16,119 --> 01:35:21,960
a demi deity, or a myth. With Hitler, you are scared.

1479
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,119
You know that you would never be able to talk

1480
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:27,039
to this man because this man is not there. There

1481
01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:29,800
is no one there. He is not a man but

1482
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:33,239
a collective. He is not an individual but a nation.

1483
01:35:34,279 --> 01:35:37,680
I take it literally true to be true when he

1484
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,359
says that he has no personal friend, How can you

1485
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:41,840
talk intimately with a nation?

1486
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 2: Where was that from? Do you know what a book

1487
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:50,840
that was in?

1488
01:35:52,399 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 3: This is in a magazine article from nineteen forty two.

1489
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,079
I'll drop it in a chat. But that's basically what

1490
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:05,600
Carl Jung is describing as what is what Peter's describing.

1491
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,479
It's funny that these people are made up of their

1492
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:13,079
conscious actions. It's one hundred percent right. I heard of

1493
01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:15,520
Thomas quote once. I said, if one hundred million people

1494
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,520
think that you're a hero, that doesn't matter what you think,

1495
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:18,520
because you're a fucking hero.

1496
01:36:19,399 --> 01:36:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah that was.

1497
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what is.

1498
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:31,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are, it's just simply for people who don't

1499
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:42,039
want to He's a messianic figure. Yes, that's what it is. Yeah,

1500
01:36:42,119 --> 01:36:47,479
I mean, yeah, yeah, it's just and a lot of

1501
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:53,279
the great men or who great men doesn't mean that

1502
01:36:53,319 --> 01:36:55,279
they when I say great men, it doesn't mean that

1503
01:36:55,319 --> 01:36:57,359
they had to do great things that you agreed with.

1504
01:36:58,079 --> 01:37:02,079
But the great men were vest were vessels. They were

1505
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:07,880
vessels for something else. And the people who chalk Hitler

1506
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:14,159
up to being a psychopath just concerned about himself. Oh

1507
01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:16,760
if he if he loved the German people so much,

1508
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,760
why did he get so many of them killed?

1509
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 2: I hate that argument.

1510
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:29,359
Speaker 5: It is the most you're a liberal, you're a fucking leftist.

1511
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,520
That's a leftist question. That's that's that's a question that

1512
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:42,479
comes out of materialism and and pure emotion, pure emotional materialism.

1513
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,239
Speaker 3: How does it make you? How does it affect you personally? Though?

1514
01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.

1515
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,279
Speaker 3: I believe Napoleon also talked about a voice in his

1516
01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:55,239
head or a guardian angel on his head that would

1517
01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:55,479
give you.

1518
01:37:55,960 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 5: You think that so less less. Wexner talks about that too.

1519
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:08,600
Speaker 1: A little bit different. Do you think that characterizes Donald

1520
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:13,199
trumpet all the way he explained Hitler in any in

1521
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:15,920
any sense? Maybe not completely?

1522
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like he has an ability if you ever

1523
01:38:22,119 --> 01:38:24,680
like listen to him, he doesn't really have all that

1524
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,159
much to say, right.

1525
01:38:28,359 --> 01:38:31,279
Speaker 5: If he is okay, no, hold on, hold on. If

1526
01:38:31,319 --> 01:38:35,079
he is like if he is doing the bidding of

1527
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:40,600
the nation okay, and you're like, well he trumps all

1528
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,399
over the place. He does this for the Jews, and

1529
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,319
he does this for that, Well, what's the nation. We're

1530
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:50,720
a multiculture We're a multicultural nation. If he's doing if

1531
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,840
he's channeling the spirit of the nation, the spirit of

1532
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,600
the nation is completely fucked up. It has no there's

1533
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:02,439
no focus to it. It's a fight. It's it's spirits

1534
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,760
fighting with each other is what it is. So if

1535
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,159
you look at Trump and you're like, oh, well, you know,

1536
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,720
if you look upon him in this way, you're going

1537
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:17,880
to look upon him as how many how many spirits

1538
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:24,159
fighting each other within him, wanting his projecting their once

1539
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:25,439
and needs upon him.

1540
01:39:26,119 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 3: M h. I think these are opinions of people that

1541
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,319
don't understand what it is like to have political power,

1542
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,760
not at all, nation state, a nation state depending on you,

1543
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:43,159
like you are their will collectively. That is a sanctifying experience,

1544
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:49,560
all right. You You are basically, in both the literal

1545
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:54,880
and spiritual senses, forced to become more than an individual,

1546
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,760
more than just yourself. And everyone's like, well, how come

1547
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,680
he do an age? How come he does an age?

1548
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:09,840
How does he have so much energy? Because I don't

1549
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:14,159
think it's him that's moving him. Don't get me wrong.

1550
01:40:14,199 --> 01:40:17,600
I don't think you know, Trump is a you know American,

1551
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:20,880
you know, Christ like figure or anything like that. But

1552
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:25,479
I mean that these changes, but basically what possessed Hitler

1553
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,279
would have found someone else. This is the thing about

1554
01:40:29,319 --> 01:40:33,640
the aggrigor. The aggrigor is made by the people. Right

1555
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,119
when Carl Jung is talking about the unconscious cries of

1556
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:40,920
seventy million Germans, right.

1557
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 5: Germans, Yes Germans is the most important part of that.

1558
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:52,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is they are. All of it is

1559
01:40:52,319 --> 01:40:57,199
a non confused message. But when seventy million people cry

1560
01:40:57,239 --> 01:41:07,520
out for in pain or you know, in oppression like

1561
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,399
people don't understan Again, if you look at this through

1562
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,920
the material lens materialless lens. None of this is going

1563
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,520
to make any sense. But you're fucking wrong and you're dumb.

1564
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:23,680
I can walk into a room right ten seconds after

1565
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:27,479
two people have just gotten into a knockdown, drag out,

1566
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,600
screaming fight, all right. I didn't hear any of it,

1567
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,199
had on my headphones on as I was walking into

1568
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:37,520
the door, all right, and they had stopped, and both

1569
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,680
of them are in separate rooms. I don't even see

1570
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:43,960
any of them yet, I know the second I walk

1571
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:48,199
in the door, and every single person has experienced this,

1572
01:41:49,079 --> 01:41:58,880
So please tell me if the if you're conscious feelings

1573
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:04,920
like anger, hatred, like despair, like pain, if those are

1574
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,960
only feelings in your head, then how could I walking

1575
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,920
into that room right when both of those people, the

1576
01:42:12,039 --> 01:42:15,079
husband's in the garage, the wife's inner in the bedroom.

1577
01:42:15,359 --> 01:42:17,399
Both of them are fucking angry, and I'm sat and

1578
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,760
you know, just had the worst fight ever. I don't

1579
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,000
see any of them, and I know that they just

1580
01:42:23,039 --> 01:42:27,920
had a fight. It is still there, that energy is

1581
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,640
still in the room. This is when people say like, oh,

1582
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:34,359
I can cut it with a knife. Cut what exactly,

1583
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:39,960
And you times that by seventy million people. It creates

1584
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:45,439
a type of spiritual gravity that has a runaway effect.

1585
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,600
I think of how like stars form. It's all like gas,

1586
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,960
and then it keeps pouring in and pouring and pouring in,

1587
01:42:52,199 --> 01:42:58,199
and all of a sudden it gets so dense. Something

1588
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:04,199
you know now exists. That thing is going to find

1589
01:43:04,359 --> 01:43:06,840
a vessel. If it wasn't Hitler, it would have been

1590
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,920
somebody else. But it is a thing on the conscious

1591
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:16,640
plane that has its own agenda, the seventy million people suffering.

1592
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:22,319
It has a purpose right to fulfill that purpose. It

1593
01:43:22,399 --> 01:43:24,560
is going to go about fulfilling it in any way

1594
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,600
it wishes, and it's going to find It's always a man.

1595
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:36,640
It's usually a man without children. But they they know

1596
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:39,880
where they're going. So you can't talk any of this

1597
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,560
up to Trump. You can't talk any of this up

1598
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,279
to Hitler. They were a vehicle for something much larger

1599
01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:45,399
than themselves.

1600
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tides of history. They were going that way already,

1601
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:54,520
and it's well.

1602
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:58,600
Speaker 3: Again, what is the tides of history? It's the culminated,

1603
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:06,239
it's it is a sum total of billions of conscious minds.

1604
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 5: Well, and it's also the cutting of reason. I mean,

1605
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,960
it's God working working through it. And that's what most

1606
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,279
people don't want to hear, you know when you talk

1607
01:44:18,319 --> 01:44:20,880
about it, when you talk about when you talk about

1608
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:25,600
Hagel and the cutting of reason, people are willing to

1609
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,600
listen about Hegel until you get to that part.

1610
01:44:30,399 --> 01:44:34,159
Speaker 3: I mean for people that don't know what you're talking about.

1611
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 5: Well, it's like okay, so how.

1612
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.

1613
01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 5: And how can a how does God allow Stalin to

1614
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:56,319
come to power? Or how It's just basically it's the

1615
01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:59,560
cutting of reason. Is that you just can't understand what

1616
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:03,279
god plan is and somehow you use it. That's why Tom.

1617
01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:06,880
You know, when Thomas talks about politics, when he talks

1618
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:10,399
about this stuff, notice that he he doesn't really ever

1619
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:19,600
get emotional until it comes to people's materialistic kind of stupidity. Yeah,

1620
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:24,159
he's very unemotional about this because you know, like he says,

1621
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:27,840
he goes, you know, I'm a I'm a reform Protestant.

1622
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
God isn't you know, God is going to do what

1623
01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:34,239
God's going to do. That doesn't mean that we don't

1624
01:45:34,279 --> 01:45:37,479
do you know, we don't. We aren't compelled to do

1625
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,640
what we want to do. But it's all the cunning

1626
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:44,319
of reason. It's all this is no matter what you're seeing,

1627
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:46,640
it's all a part of God's plan. And people just

1628
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:50,800
don't want to accept that because in a materialistic society, everything,

1629
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:55,720
if people are starving, if you're at war, if millions

1630
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,720
are dying, how can this be part of God's plan?

1631
01:45:59,279 --> 01:45:59,880
You get it is.

1632
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 3: Just because they can't understand that God that only man

1633
01:46:05,079 --> 01:46:10,439
suffers time. God does not suffer time. He is outside

1634
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:15,439
of time. Therefore, anything past, present or future he looks

1635
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:20,439
at as one thing because it is one thing. It's

1636
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,680
only not one thing. If you're a human being in

1637
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:28,279
the material world, then it's a linear thing. But if

1638
01:46:28,279 --> 01:46:32,439
you are outside of that, it is not so. Unless

1639
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,960
you can see five hundred years in the future, you

1640
01:46:36,039 --> 01:46:38,680
don't know what God's plan is. You can't see outside

1641
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:43,279
the horizon of your own life span. So things that

1642
01:46:43,359 --> 01:46:46,800
may not make sense now are going to have huge

1643
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,399
ramifications hundreds and hundreds of years ago or from now.

1644
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:56,159
Speaker 5: And technically, you know, this could send us down a

1645
01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:58,760
whole rabbit trail. So we don't live in the past

1646
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,720
or the future either, We just live in the present.

1647
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:10,119
So yeah, that's that's another one that can that people

1648
01:47:10,199 --> 01:47:13,039
want to. You can argue over all day and everything,

1649
01:47:13,119 --> 01:47:18,159
but you know, the we anticipate the future and the

1650
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:21,960
past informs us, but we're always living right now and

1651
01:47:22,039 --> 01:47:23,880
all of our decisions are being made right now.

1652
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: But this is why I don't want to do an

1653
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:32,159
ongoing play by play of every single one of Trump's moves.

1654
01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:34,039
That's why I'm glad we don't really talk about any

1655
01:47:34,079 --> 01:47:37,159
of that stuff tonight, because what Trump is doing right

1656
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:42,840
now is disentangling himself from some very fucking serious, fucked

1657
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:48,119
up situations that his predecessors put America in Ukraine and

1658
01:47:48,279 --> 01:47:52,079
the war in the Middle East. It's really fucking bad,

1659
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:57,039
and it takes it's going to be a painstaking process

1660
01:47:57,159 --> 01:47:59,840
to be disentangled from those two things, and he's gonna

1661
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,439
have to do things that the little people aren't going

1662
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,800
to fucking like, and they're not going to understand it,

1663
01:48:05,039 --> 01:48:07,920
and they're not going to have the long term well

1664
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,880
being of the country in mind as they watch every

1665
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,800
single decision Trump makes. That's why I don't get mad

1666
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,119
when he does shit that I don't like.

1667
01:48:17,239 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 3: No, he just announced today that no Palestinian is leaving Gaza,

1668
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:24,600
so that means, yeah, exactly, leading everybody in the wrong

1669
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,720
direction for the past week weeks. And the other thing

1670
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,199
is that, like the forces that Astrol's talking about, you

1671
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:35,279
have two of the world's The US is actually really

1672
01:48:35,319 --> 01:48:38,279
bad at spook shit. Sorry, I've had a root canal,

1673
01:48:38,359 --> 01:48:42,119
so I can't I can't pronounce my pe. Yeah, spook stuff.

1674
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,640
We're really bad at spook stuff. You know, it's not

1675
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:47,039
really bad at spook stuff.

1676
01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:50,119
Speaker 2: Israel in the UK, exactly.

1677
01:48:50,399 --> 01:48:54,600
Speaker 3: Israel in the UK. One, the UK has been spending

1678
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:59,119
the better part of a decade setting America up to

1679
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:03,399
go to war against Russia, and Israel has been doing

1680
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:07,199
the exact same thing for Iran. So two of the

1681
01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:12,199
best intelligence agencies, the most spooky of spookshit, have been

1682
01:49:12,359 --> 01:49:17,479
laying ten years plus of groundwork to entangle America into

1683
01:49:18,119 --> 01:49:22,199
two wars. Either of them would be catastrophic, and in

1684
01:49:22,279 --> 01:49:24,119
case of in case of Russia.

1685
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 1: Ukraine as well UK and Israel and Ukraine. Ukraine isn't

1686
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:33,760
necessarily good at spook shit. But Tucker keeps referring to

1687
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:38,560
them as evil. He keeps saying they're going, they are stormy,

1688
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:43,159
saying with uk and Israel spookshit at the same time.

1689
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:46,920
The corrupt motherfuckers. And when I say corrupt motherfuckers, I

1690
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,960
mean measurably the most corrupt people in the world. Measurably

1691
01:49:52,279 --> 01:49:55,319
the most corrupt people in the world are working views

1692
01:49:55,399 --> 01:49:56,000
of the.

1693
01:49:56,359 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 3: Work intelligence went to Ukraine.

1694
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all and them to get us embroiled in

1695
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:02,159
this ship.

1696
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 3: One hundred percent the entire hebe side of the KGB

1697
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:16,279
operated out of Ukraine. All right, Like all of this,

1698
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:22,600
all of the USSRS, you know, tiny hat, part of

1699
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:28,079
its intelligence forces chose Ukraine. I wonder why to operate

1700
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:31,760
out of so after the fall of the Soviet Union.

1701
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:38,079
I mean, look, Putin had to kick out how many

1702
01:50:39,319 --> 01:50:44,239
oligarchs of the tribe four or five? There's four or

1703
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:50,239
five of those same you know, tiny hat, the oligarchs

1704
01:50:50,319 --> 01:50:54,159
in just one city in Ukraine. Right, It's like the

1705
01:50:54,199 --> 01:50:57,359
people that Putin had to throw out because they're absolutely

1706
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,760
upending the political process and taking over his country. In

1707
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:05,560
the late nineties or sorry, early nineties, he kicked four

1708
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:09,319
of them out. Yeah, to great fanfare, not fanfair, but

1709
01:51:09,399 --> 01:51:16,239
like to great media hysteria. He kicked four fucking Jewish

1710
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:22,279
oligarchs out of the country. All of them fled to London. Hint, hint, Right,

1711
01:51:22,359 --> 01:51:26,239
But that was it. All the other oligarchs, that's Russians

1712
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:32,079
and London, and thank you, Pete, all the other Russian oligarchs,

1713
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:36,000
the ethnic Russian oligarchs stayed and worked with the government.

1714
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:41,439
But notice how many oligarchs there are in Ukraine. There's

1715
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:46,840
high double digits, and they're all of that tribe. And

1716
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,760
it's effectively just been interwoven with the Ukrainian intellig intelligence

1717
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,319
forces since the fall of the Soviet Union. So Tucker

1718
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:57,560
is not wrong. I think a profound evil happened in Ukraine.

1719
01:51:58,199 --> 01:52:00,279
I don't know what. I don't know if it was

1720
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,279
went on before the Hall of dea Moore, But I

1721
01:52:03,319 --> 01:52:07,399
don't think that the Pale settlement is on the place

1722
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:12,159
that it was for no reason. I think there's a

1723
01:52:12,199 --> 01:52:15,000
geography to some of this. Like Pete and I were

1724
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:19,239
talking about places in America, I think there some places

1725
01:52:19,239 --> 01:52:22,319
are evil and anything that grows there is evil.

1726
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 5: You know, Well, when you know people want to ask,

1727
01:52:31,039 --> 01:52:35,039
it's like okay, So when a certain tribe gets into power,

1728
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:42,439
how or gets influenced anything, How come everything goes to shit? Well,

1729
01:52:44,279 --> 01:52:49,079
you're talking about you're dealing with materialists. And Shaha clearly

1730
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:52,119
shows us in his book. These aren't people who believe

1731
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:55,199
in afterlife. These people, these aren't even people who really

1732
01:52:55,199 --> 01:53:00,119
believe in a spirit world. The materialists. How do you

1733
01:53:02,199 --> 01:53:05,319
how does the spirit of God work through what would

1734
01:53:05,359 --> 01:53:08,000
even work through them? How would the spirit of the

1735
01:53:08,039 --> 01:53:14,359
age even work through them? In the only way that

1736
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,840
it would it would appear the only way that it

1737
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:23,680
can work through materialists. And now I'm including not only

1738
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,479
the tribe, I'm including all the other you know, all

1739
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:31,840
the other people who've joined right along with them. Is

1740
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,359
it has to be some kind of force from the

1741
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:42,720
outside that is pushing them to do materialist bidding to

1742
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:50,800
government where you're going, and to live, and to push

1743
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:58,760
society to live just like they do. Because if society

1744
01:53:59,079 --> 01:54:08,800
is living as non materialists, that is that's who pushes

1745
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,960
back against that, that's who recognizes materialism for what it is.

1746
01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:18,039
So that's why everywhere they go they have to destroy

1747
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,920
those the non materialists, the people who believe in the

1748
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,720
metaphysics that believe people who believe in the spirit world,

1749
01:54:24,079 --> 01:54:26,439
people who believe in the spirit, who can believe in

1750
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:29,039
the spirit of an age, the people who can adopt

1751
01:54:29,039 --> 01:54:34,119
a high culture because they can't get what they want,

1752
01:54:34,479 --> 01:54:40,800
which is the riches and the power. Now, if there

1753
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,600
are people who are living for something that goes beyond

1754
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:57,920
this world, they just is Jewish history, Jewish religion. It's

1755
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,159
a I read the whole thing on my show. It's

1756
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:02,560
a hundred pages. Anyone who read it, it's it's soup.

1757
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:06,560
It's easy. And he just goes through and shows how

1758
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:12,600
these people aren't Jewish. There it's something, it's something wholly

1759
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:17,039
other and there's no.

1760
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 3: And there's specifically came out of that area.

1761
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's no spirit to it.

1762
01:55:25,239 --> 01:55:28,039
Speaker 3: There's no it's all this magic.

1763
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:31,439
Speaker 5: It's just tribal Yeah, it's just tribalism and magic.

1764
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 3: Yep. Because if you look at like the the the

1765
01:55:37,279 --> 01:55:40,119
Sapphartam and basically the ones that are the Jews people

1766
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:42,039
that are still in the Middle East, it's they may

1767
01:55:42,079 --> 01:55:46,840
as well have functionally different religions.

1768
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:50,079
Speaker 5: And the ones that you know and like them is rocky.

1769
01:55:50,399 --> 01:55:53,359
And the ones that are from actually from that area,

1770
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:58,359
they have radically lower IQs than the ones who are

1771
01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:01,119
from Europe and the ones who are from palest settlement

1772
01:56:01,159 --> 01:56:05,079
and the ones who the German Jews who came came

1773
01:56:05,079 --> 01:56:07,159
here in the early eighteen hundreds and and a lot

1774
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:10,319
of them settled in the south. I mean radically lower.

1775
01:56:12,039 --> 01:56:17,880
I don't know what that means, but yeah, but they

1776
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:21,199
seem to be some of the most violent and some

1777
01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:24,680
of the most h Let's kill all of these fucking

1778
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:26,359
Arabs and take all of this land.

1779
01:56:27,039 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 3: M hmm, yep. Well, I think would almost be civilizing

1780
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:32,359
in a sense.

1781
01:56:32,439 --> 01:56:36,399
Speaker 1: Right Because I have to, I have to call it

1782
01:56:36,439 --> 01:56:40,920
a night. It's almost midnight. But I feel like today's

1783
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,399
episode we brought up a ton of stuff we need

1784
01:56:43,399 --> 01:56:44,279
to elaborate on.

1785
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 2: So let's call events.

1786
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 1: Which I'm happy about because I was getting a little

1787
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:54,560
bit fatigued, a little bit fatigued on gaming it. But

1788
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:59,199
uh yeah, let's reconvene a SAP. Maybe we'll even look

1789
01:56:59,239 --> 01:57:01,279
at maybe even next week. I don't know when Thomas

1790
01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:03,039
is back off the road, but we could do a

1791
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,119
we could do a shotgun episode before he's back.

1792
01:57:07,239 --> 01:57:10,199
Speaker 2: But this is good, This is a lot to talk about.

1793
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,560
Speaker 3: Well, now that we've flushed out. I think we got

1794
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,520
to a really good point because we kind of flushed

1795
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:19,720
out what makes America different? Yeah, right, what makes the

1796
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:25,960
American different and what forces actually drive political and cultural realities.

1797
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:28,479
And we used the other as a reference, but we

1798
01:57:28,479 --> 01:57:32,199
were talking about forces. So you're going to want to

1799
01:57:32,359 --> 01:57:35,800
identify what those forces are here in America because I

1800
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,760
think that is going to shape where we're going. To

1801
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:42,680
Thomas's point, America hasn't really had a chance to be

1802
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:45,640
right wing yet, so that means whatever comes out of here,

1803
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,079
because there is, you got to be fucking blind to

1804
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:54,199
not notice that there is a very big zeitgeist shift

1805
01:57:54,319 --> 01:57:57,640
in American politics and that things are possible now from

1806
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,239
the right wing perspective that were never possible before or

1807
01:58:00,319 --> 01:58:02,239
just even in the terms of dialogue. So whatever is

1808
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:03,319
going to be new.

1809
01:58:04,119 --> 01:58:06,039
Speaker 1: I just said this to you guys, and you both,

1810
01:58:06,119 --> 01:58:09,800
I think instantly fucking agreed with me today. I think

1811
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:12,199
it was I was like, guys, I think at this point,

1812
01:58:12,399 --> 01:58:15,239
I fucking hate the black pilling right wingers more than

1813
01:58:15,279 --> 01:58:19,039
I hate the fucking pro Zionists. They're because of what Stormy,

1814
01:58:19,239 --> 01:58:22,880
Because of what Stormy just said. You don't see that

1815
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:26,920
we're on the cusp of something like at least the

1816
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,119
Zionists are also fucking excited. And I know they think

1817
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:32,039
part of it's because they're gonna get what they want

1818
01:58:32,119 --> 01:58:33,880
out of it, and maybe they will get some of

1819
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:34,720
what they want.

1820
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:35,279
Speaker 4: But.

1821
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 3: What they want to be in this.

1822
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Well, what they want is a complete destruction of the

1823
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:45,520
West and Christian civilization ultimately, but that'll take a long time.

1824
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:51,039
But but to to be on the cusp of something

1825
01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:55,680
great and something new and different, because I mean, I'm old,

1826
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,760
this never happened in my entire life. Thomas has said

1827
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,600
this on the show more than one time. We're a

1828
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,399
new territory, We're an uncharted territory. And to not perceive

1829
01:59:05,479 --> 01:59:07,920
that you're on the cusp of something different and great,

1830
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,680
and to be like, nope, see told you fell for

1831
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:15,359
it again every fucking time something happens, I just can't

1832
01:59:15,399 --> 01:59:17,920
look at it as anything other than petulance. And I'm

1833
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:18,560
just sick of it.

1834
01:59:19,319 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 5: Well, it's because they think they think Trump is in charge.

1835
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 1: They don't see the big picture, they don't see the

1836
01:59:27,039 --> 01:59:27,920
full spectrum.

1837
01:59:28,079 --> 01:59:30,079
Speaker 2: They don't see, to put it.

1838
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 1: In your words, Pete, they're looking at it from a

1839
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:34,720
materialist perspective, which.

1840
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't think they think they are, but they are.

1841
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:42,840
Speaker 3: M there's no more materialist groups of people than ostensibly

1842
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:44,239
Christian people on the right wing.

1843
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:48,279
Speaker 1: That's funny you say that, because I was gonna specifically

1844
01:59:48,319 --> 01:59:50,079
ask you if you thought exactly that.

1845
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 3: No. Yeah, I mean I hear all these guys talking

1846
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:58,880
to me about like you know, Christian about and just

1847
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:02,079
the way that they discribe ride things, the way they

1848
02:00:02,079 --> 02:00:06,039
engage with or try and make arguments. You're like, you

1849
02:00:06,079 --> 02:00:08,760
don't actually believe what you say you believe, because if

1850
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:59,840
you actually believe that, none of that would make any sense.

1851
02:00:12,239 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 6: No, no, no, the versus Bassians and ssssssst.

1852
02:03:24,880 --> 02:04:39,560
Speaker 7: Sum the less the most amuses, the ladies, babies and

1853
02:04:41,039 --> 02:05:03,399
bos apps standing the app s s s.

1854
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:16,600
Speaker 3: S s s s s

1855
02:05:37,159 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 7: H sh