Speaker 1: Yes, the Inquisition is back, and after brief hiatus, Pete
and Story and Thomas have reconvened and I'm your host, Astrol.
We're happy to see you all here again. This is great, guys.
Just so you guys know, I really appreciate you letting
me host this on my platform. Since the last two episodes,
I'm starting to get dms pretty much every day, but
people asking me when's the next Inquisition coming out, or
all get randomly tagged on Twitter when's the next Inquisition
coming out? So we're going to try to keep this
going by monthly. So it's good to have you back. Pete,
it's good to have you back. Thomas, and Stormy's always
got a place on my show here, so.
Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: But before we talk about current events, Stormy was riffing
recently on some thoughts he had and one of the
reasons for being for this show is kind of the
take stock of the American right, where it's been, where
it is now, and where it's going. And there's lots
of reasons to sort of reevaluate what the American right
is and is not. And Stormy, we were talking the
other day and you had some really interesting things to
say about differentiating the American right from the European right.
I'm not sure exactly where you wanted to start with that,
but I think what you were trying to communicate to
someone up very briefly, is that while we come out
of a tradition that is heavily steeped in European right
wing culture and European right wing ideas, American right wingism
is a wholly different thing, and it needs to be
communicated differently than European which is to say that a
European model isn't necessarily transposable onto the American right and
the future of the American right. Yeah, exactly exactly. So
what were your thoughts, What were your thoughts and where'd
you want to go with that?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first, there's just like what an American
is I think is very foreign. I mean, Europe has
a very cartoonish idea of what it is to be
an American. But if we're looking at it from like,
let's say the evolutionary level Europe, by the time immigration
to the American continent started, had it been pretty much
unsavaged and in it, I don't want to say deforested,
but basically it was meadows and plains and agrarian life
was very settled. People were settled in their roles and
their casts and their professions. This was not the case
in America. America has three hundred years of race war
to like this present day. Like my great great great
granddad was the last one of the last. I think
he's the last guy in this state in New York
to get killed by what they killed with the bow
and arrow from a fucking Indian. Like in the late
eighteen hundreds, the electricity existed, not a lot, but anyways,
so the Indian.
Speaker 4: War didn't formally end until nineteen twelve.
Speaker 3: But really, yeah that I mean, for everybody thinks that
the Indian Wars were like an out West thing, and
that is absolutely not the case. From a colonists going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely didn't start there by any stress.
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, before we even cross Mississippi, it was
one hundred years of war.
Speaker 4: The Creek War was the most severe iteration of a
ross and kreeg between Whites and Indians, and I mean
that was essentially the eastern seaboard. But yeah, no, the
problem is, uh, there there is no American right because
it was outlawed in nineteen forty eight. Like like the
the American right after the war win the States, it
was economic nationalism, you know, high protectionism, you know, the
Hamiltonian Imperial Executive, you know, and and they basically it
kind of like soft white nationalism, you know. And that
like Robert Taft was like the standard bearer that in uh,
the Inner War years, and that was literally rendered illegal.
Like that's why, like like he and I did like
a series on that. Like it was so after the
after the after Eisenhower, who was basically like a placeholder,
like a steward like that. It's not the same the
spher what the contrary, but he was like a military
man and like an apolitical figure. But it's like, okay,
so what's the American right. It's illegal there to be
a right wing Oh well, it's it's very goldwater. It's
it's these it's these guys who want to abolish the
I R s and and give gad for light lectures
on constitutionalism, you know. And then the revolt was you know,
George Wallace and what became the Nixon Coalition, and so
it became this like identitarian thing and like that was
unacceptable so like Nixon was removed from office, you know,
and then the the Nixon Coalition in large measure like
elected Reagan because they made peace of the establishment with
certain concessions, and like that's what and that's that's like
what Megan is. You know, it's uh, it's the Wallace coalition,
which is the Nixon coalition, which is the Reagan coalition,
which is the silent majority, which also elected Donald's Trump.
You know, it's not really right wing, but that's because
it's illegal there to be a right wing in America.
Speaker 3: That's the short answer. No, I agree with I agree
with Thomas. Well, basically whatever we're going to be is
going to be iterative, Like we're finding out what that is.
Because Donald Trump got elected by basically dog whistling to
something that's supposed to be illegal and non existent. Right,
that's true, So the will of the population is there,
or else he wouldn't have been able to make the
incredible amounts of political hay he did on it. Nobody
remembers fuck all about Donald Trump's twenty sixteen campaign other
than we're gonna throw Hillary Clinton in jail and we're
gonna get all the fucking brownies and Beaners out. That's
pretty much that. That was his campaign in the nutschet.
Like if you go back to this twenty fifteen and
twenty sixteen campaign, he like build the Wall was just
what caught on. But all this campaign speeches, he's going
after h one bs, He's going out a lot about
h one B's.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been the same, it's been the same. It's
been the same sociological tennis season as nineteen sixty eight.
You know, at sixty eight it was actually a three
way race, so that like that was like the cope
of of the left. It's like, oh, Nick Nixon is
never real mandate, you know, he just capitalized on a
troubled situation. You know, especially you know when you consider
the disaster the Johns administration. But then ninety seventy two,
like Nixon utterly swept the entire country. Like that's the
silent majority, and that's what always happens, you know. And
then uh and and then like the establishment, like that's
basically all the Democrats are. There's not a Democrat party.
They're they're they're the deep state, and they're they're the
they're the they're the ruling coalition, you know, and Uh.
This is like how they brand themselves or the Democrats. Uh,
but they always claim that like, oh, this is a fluke,
you know, like nobody you know, like like the white
electorate doesn't matter anymore, which is totally like at odds
with reality. It's just like regardless of your politics, like
this this delusional. But then there's always this massive sweep
based on nakedly identitarian criteria, like the silent majority, you know,
it gets their man into office, and then you know,
the uh, and then the deep state like grumbles for
the next like forty eight years about it like this
isn't actually legitimate and like you know that like, oh,
the white Electorate's done because the New America doesn't approve
of that kind of thing, Like it's it's complete fucking nonsense.
Speaker 3: And I think that now that the racism ship has sailed,
I think we're actually going to accelerate into finding out
what this thing actually is because I think that the
spiritual characteristics, like the the soul of like what an
American is at an ethnic level is very different than
really anything that you can find on Europe. Because America,
I mean, we've tried to paint over it and cover
it up. But America has been three hundred years straight
of violence.
Speaker 4: Well, it's also it's there's something too, like I was
talking to Bagby the other day, it's a uh. People
mischaracterize the kind of the the anthropological aspects of the
heritage American culture. But whether rubber meets the road, it
very much. Look at the center Sculp culture that had
its roots in in Ulster in Scotland. It's anti authority people.
It's people are individualistic but are highly racialized like there
and here. Yeah, exactly, you know, and uh, I mean
this is like obvious to me because that's like literally
my heritage. But it should it should it shouldn't be
mysterious to people, you know, who are actually engaged with
them with these things.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: On an on an academic level.
Speaker 5: How how would you relate that to yakis Yaki's formulation
of race and high culture.
Speaker 4: I mean, the culture bearing element of America was like
the high church types in the South generally, then North
was a little more complicated. Like I reject the paradigm
and like in that book Albion Seed, like that's that
author he tries to claim that America is the legacy
of the War three kingdoms and the Civil War was
these like Northern Puritans for the descendants of Cromwell versus
these like Southern cavaliers. Like that's not true at all.
And if anybody was the descendants so like Cromwell's army,
it was guys like Stonewall, okay, who was like some
kind of like who's who's some kind of like Calvinish shaman,
you know, like like Puritans. Uh, they're they're not crypto
Jews whatever, like idiots on the internet thing who like
spent too much time in Catholic school. They're not. They're
not like like like Cromwell's a now matal army were
a bunch of proto liberals, Like that's not there's something different.
And yeah, don't get me wrong, there is like an
aspect in the Northeast among like Boston Brahmins of like
these kind of hair shirt like literally puritanical.
Speaker 3: Like specifically in Boston.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's like a real thing. But they're the minority,
you know, Like it's not like liberals aren't like the
descendants of puritan It's like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Are facing now with birth rates these people that Thomas
is talking about were started on that train in the
in the fifties and sixties. There is very very few
of them left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, they're kind of the they're like
the they're their their cousins, like who are the social
registered types or are kind of gone to but the
But I think Yaki obliquely made the point, and Hitler
made this point too, like, Uh, It's one of the
reasons I like that Brendan Simms Batterby Hitler so much
is because he deals there's like but like one hundred
and fifty pages that book like deal with like Hitler's
views of America, which he and Hitler view in America
as incredibly dangerous and also the future like literally and
that was like the metric by which he considered his
geopolitical analyses. But he also said that like the South
was like the real America, I mean paraphrasing, but like
those Jacky's thing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was proven right with where does the culture
of Germany come from? It comes from the hinterlands, not
from the urban centers. Right, this is where Hitler crushed
what's his name clergy?
Speaker 5: Yeah, northern Alabama, Northern Alabama is still a German stronghold.
I mean, there's two Catholic monasteries in northern Alabama. How
many people know that?
Speaker 4: No, it's fascinating. And the what's also an interesting paradigm
because like the because of the North, I mean, this
is this is a tangent. But you know, Germans were
almost unfailingly like pro union, like not because they were
like and with the exceptional like some of the know
nothings who were very much like know Nothingism was like
a Northern Prade movement. Like it wasn't Southerners. It was
like Northern Nativists who were like very anti Jewish, like
very kind of like overtly racialists. It was a different
than Southern concepts. But the what became kind of like
the what became like the post war between the states,
like American right, there was something very German about that,
you know, like strong state, imperial presidency, you know, national economics,
high protectionism, you know, Uh, terrorists pay for the government
evaluated manufactures, the life's of blood of the country, you know.
And you had uh, you had you had a bunch
of guys who'd fled uh who who who? You had
a bunch of Germans on both sides of the eighteen
forty eight divide, who couldn't be further apart in their politics,
But when they got here, like they were both like
unfeeling the like pro union. And that's really interesting. And
I mean when you look at the when you look
at the state of apparatus, you know, like it's they
tried to, like the American education systems like a bastardized
like version of the Prussian education system. You know, like
this the Social Security Administration is like the Bismarckian pension system.
It doesn't work because you can't extrapolate that from Germany
to the United States, you know, where you have like
dozens of ethnicities and stuff. But that was the attempt.
And that's why, you know, when.
Speaker 5: Yaki talks about race, like he also mentions he says,
there's you know, there are people who believe they are
of a race, but they're he talks about people who
have have race. Yeah, and can you explain how that
how when you look at the yeah, yeah, those it
within a culture, those within a section in a in
a land mass, who are the culture bearing the culture
bearing stratum, How that plays into it because they don't
all have to be Ulster Scott's.
Speaker 4: No, but uh, that's what the majoritarian culture is of
like heritage America. Like if you're talking about I means
two things going on here, like what is the American culture?
And like what did Yaqui mean by that? Yachi meant
by that? Is that it's a historical phenomenon. It's historical,
it's epigenetic, it's a it has to do with linear
cultural memory, symbolic psychology. People who consciously live historically and
understand themselves both subliminally as well as consciously as being
the stewards of you know, a way of life that's
like what it is to be like a sparing elements.
And you know in America again, like the South is
it wasn't is a diverse place, but I mean so
is Ulster. You know, there are high church types who
identify with loyalism just like you know, just like just
like reform to like free Presbyterian church types do, and
just like the majority of the minority of like Evangelical Baptists.
Do you know that America if you're talking about I mean,
why do you think like America's look guns, why do
you think Americans are just a property rights? Like what
do you think they like, why do you think that
the racial divide is seems like weirdly perverse here and
unlike other places that comes from Northern Ireland and Scotland
violence in the race thing, and well it's also too
like what do you think, like lynching was this huge
thing in America, Like lynching isn't like a big thing
in Germany or France. I mean, yeah, there's like horrible
stuff that happens, but uh, like what became and don't
get me wrong, like it became very corrupted here, but
this idea of the people, like individual people like well
as you know, both as individuals who are privately aggrieved
and as members of like an oriented community, they like
literally have the right to like extra judicially kill people
who commit violent crimes. Like nobody thinks that way outside
of Scotland and fucking Ulster, Like they don't, you know,
like Americans do, Like why is that? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like exactly what you're talking about about the
culture bearing strata coming from people with a sense of
race when you were describing that, I can't not think
of the guilded age, like when I read all of
the great men of the Guilded age. They understood that
almost implicitly. Yeah, they were very different of they were
very different than Europe, and something special was happening here
and it was their duty to be custodians of it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well it's two things. It was there was
an understanding, despite American optimism and despite the despite this
kind of concept that you know, like oh, like you know,
the Americans are literally a chosen people and you know,
they they're the inheritors of like a this great bounty
of wealth. But there was an understanding really from the
close of the eighteenth century and the Jago and Revolution
that like there's a profound like crisis in Western civilization
and something had gone horribly wrong. So, I mean, in
some ways America was supposed to be like this. This
was like this enterprise was like gonna save like you know,
the white race, if you want to get it like that.
But it's also just like in brass text terms and
Hitler's table talk where he says that like America has
probably like half the world's remaining resources just the material terms,
that was basically accurate. You know, even if Europe had
even if Europe had been able to prevail over its enemies,
and even if even if, even if Moscow had fallen
in December nineteen forty one, so like the Greater German
Reich like rains from like the Atlantic to the Earls,
there would have been problems.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Europe's basically this indefensible peninsula that doesn't have anything like
what it has is it's human capital. Okay, So it's
pretty much in when it is like that book Fatherland.
Aside from like some of the Holocaust mythology and stuff,
it's a counterfactual where the Third RG wins World War two.
But in the world of like nineteen sixty four, you know,
twenty years after, like Nzig, there's this Cold War between
the United States and Germany, and their consumption needs are
both so massive that basically like the world's being totally
depleted of what's left in it. So like Joe Kennedy
is like the President of United States, He's like has
this like summit with Hitler to try to like end
the Cold War and like come to terms because like
neither like neither superpower can like afford to perpetuate it,
and like that would have happened, you know.
Speaker 5: But uh.
Speaker 4: So there's people this idea that people there was kind
of like this boundless optimism and like innostance before was nonsense.
But also this idea in terms of deep ecology that oh,
until the twentieth century, like nobody had any idea about
the exhaustibility of That's not true at all. Like, if anything,
I think people were more cognitive that I mean, that's
like that's where these in part, that's for the stuff
like this, these malecusia anxieties about over pop relation came
from like, in my opinion, that was kind of the
global warming of the day, Like it was wrong. They're
they're extrapolating like data from like a very specific temporal
sample like into perpetuity. But that anxiety emerged from the
fact that people were hyper aware of this is not sustainable.
You know, you can't you can't. You can't keep hyper
capitalism going for a thousand years, There'll be nothing left
like that. It's not it's not commy speak, that's reality,
you know. So there's a lot there I realized. But yeah,
that's that's the short answer. So it's yeah, the the
American promises that were there was like a there was
like a historical and and and dare I say, like
racial and civilizational component to it too, as well as
like a material one. You know, it's complicated, but it
was by no means like totally secular, by no means
like race blind, quite the contrary, you know, nakedly theological
and very much, very much identitarian.
Speaker 3: A similar phenomenon was happening in Australia at the time too.
I think it was something that in it at least
the Anglos were cognizant of roughly the same time. Australia
started a little bit later, obviously, but they were getting
their start right as what Thomas is describing was happening
in America that conversation, and they immediately incorporated like strict
racialist policies in the very constitutions of Australia, like both
Australia and America. Kind of it's like subconsciously there was
this knowledge of this Noah's archetype situation after what had
happened in France and then later everywhere else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Australia, America, Australia, South Africa, Ulster,
there's that's very much uh like the calvinisty as for
you know, I this way I think of it, and
there's there's differences between the populations obviously, but there's there's
uncanny commonalities and there's also like there's you know, and
one of reasons I like that movie in that book Resurrection, Man,
I'm going somewhere with this. It's not just this a
crazy tangent like one of the one of the secondary
protagus in it. He's this guy named Darky Larsh who's
like a descended the Huguenots, but because like his ancestors
fled to Ulster when they were getting pogrammed. And that's
why he's Darky, because he's like got black hair and
brown eyes, and he's just kind of a constitutionally nervous guy,
you know, like I I've got a hugan a big
round two in part, and so to a whole lot
of people in Australia, so to a whole lot of
people in South Africa. Like there's this the kind of
like these pioneer populations, like literally in the case of
South Africa and Australia, people traveling in covered wagons. You know,
there was a there was a pastiche of like ethnic
groups that uh kind of like ossified into like one tribe,
like going to like obviously like racial similarity, but also
like confessional heritage, and that's something that didn't happen anywhere
else other than like here Ulster, South Africa, Australia.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd like to know if you would agree
with this, but I think that I mean, if I
were to calculate, like from at least from when my
family arrived in the country to now we're talking, you know,
seen forty to now, like, there's more than enough time
no matter which numbers you prefer to use for distinct
ethnogenesis to occur.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm not a European like I've tried to. I don't
think you can truly be like a European. I feel
like a reform fraud like it. Just don't like it.
There's I mean, your Europe like Europe proper is like Catholic.
I mean, yeah, I really.
Speaker 3: Checked this up. What's it checked this out? I went
and looked up the medical stats for World War One.
In World War Two, it was more pronounced than World
War One, but the Americans were on average four to
five inches taller and about something like a twenty pounds
sometimes trying to do like the stones because like the
you know, the Brits were doing measured weight in stones,
but just ballpark like twenty five pounds heavier.
Speaker 4: Well, like at their Merican forest, which was the That
was the greatest defeat the US Army ever suffered, and
that was technically a stalemate, but the objective was never captured,
and the US Army took thirty thousand casualties. But the
German uh like the German field hospitals took note. American
troops could like handle a hit from a flull metal
jacket and shot and sometimes survived, and the Germans couldn't
because they like lacked that layer of fat, like quite literally,
which is fascinating. You know, it was like harder to
kill the US Army because they were like bigger, fatter people,
you know than a bunch of like underfed Germans who
had like gone through puberty like starving in Vimar, you know,
Like it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: And then you have like the casts, right, So like
if you were ninety percent of like let's say the UK,
and you were either living in London or you know,
a labor on some farm somewhere, your diet was like,
let's put it this way, not to anything that you're
going to grow on. And the other thing is that
America's literacy rate. At the time of the turn of
the seventeenth century, America had the highest literacy rate in
the world, and it had done so from seventeen hundred
through eighteen hundred, right, so we it was something like that.
It was insane, something like a ninety eight percent literacy rate.
And the way it was explained to me was that
basically every American guy had to be a Swiss army knife.
Like you had to know how to do blacksmith stuff.
You had to know how to do farmer stuff, you
had to know how to do hunter stuff, you had
to know how to do tailor stuff, roofer stuff like you. Basically,
like he basically hadn't do all the things. And the
only way that they could actually, you know, accumulate this
was either apprenticing for each one of these things or
reading a ton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, exactly. What's also too like even you know
Stonewall Jackson, he he was considered at best eccentric and
kind of a crazy religious fanatic by some of his peers,
and at worst like doing something really subversive because he teachs.
He teaches, he teaches slaves to read because he's like,
these people have to be able to read the Bible,
you know, otherwise they can't be saved. And that was
a big thing, you know, like even somebody who didn't
really care if like you know, your average like white
farm hand or like black slave could read so they
feel like better himself. It was he's got to be
able to read scripture, you know, because if you go
to a reform church there there's no priest. There's some
like layman who's like leading worship, and it's like, you
got to be able to read the Word of God,
you know, otherwise you can't you can't awaken the inner witness,
you know. And that was a big part of it,
in addition to what you just said, because yeah, like
if you've got to if you've literally got to carve
out like civilization from like the woods, like you've got
to be able to do a lot of shit, and
if you're some illiterate guy who like lives on cheese
and just kind of waits to take orders, you can't
do that.
Speaker 3: No, And I think this is why entrepreneurialism just cannot
get a foothold in Europe. Like I take from a
VC position. I basically like India has a more vibrant
like a startup and entrepreneurial culture happening right now, at
least in tech China, like Europe is being left behind
by nations with an average IQ twenty to thirty points lower.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean they were, they were under they're under occupation.
I mean, don't get you wrong, Like Europe today they've
like they're totally senile and they're like they're like a
global joke. But they got to that point because of
social engineering, you know. And but it's like it did
even even in the former East Bloc, which admittedly is
not nearly as bad off as what was the American
occupations on its short of influence, but it's still like
food barred the culture. And you got to understand too.
And I'm not trying to upset people or say like
anything bad about like Eastern people, but you know, in
the Red Army smashed through the German Reich, it was
it was literally this orgy of mass rape. And they
did that for a reason. I mean, they did that
because they're savages. But they changed the racial character of
an entire like massive swath of the population. You had
like millions of women giving birth to like these half
Slavic bastards that he just thinks, you know, I mean
it's also what do you think when like Russia's screwed up,
you know, souls and nips and made the point you said,
Russia is like a prison society, Like what what the
way people think? Like what being mainly is the way
people think? Like the proper kind of ethos is towards
like authority, like Russians think like prisons. And in part,
I mean the Russians, the Communists killed ten million people.
It's just like outright, you know, like imagine if in
America there's this like mass uprising and basically a bunch
of hood rats and a bunch of like really dominant
people from like the rural south basically slaughtered everybody with
like a higher education. Well, like think about that like
one hundred years on, Like what what would they be Like?
It would be insane, Like that's what happened to the
Soviet Union. You know.
Speaker 1: Hey, Thomas, kind of well, I want to ask you
a question, but I should let you finish. But I'm
gonna bring me back to that point. You well, what
do you think about Spengler and Yaqui's argument this is
from Spengler's Prussians I can't remember the name of the
Si now, where he says that that event basically arrested
the cultural development of Russia and that Russia was not
able to basically like come to its own fruition as
it's as itself as a culture. And Yaki picked us
up and basically said they were like knocked off course
by the Russian Revolution and they hadn't really come into
their own yet as a civilization. And both of them
said Russia is going to be the next world civilization
in the future of the twenty first century is when
they said it was going to be. And this is
kind of do you agree with that? And do you
think that's a proper way to characterize the development of That's.
Speaker 4: What would have happened, Like, that's what would have happened. Yeah,
because the way the way Adolf Hitler is going to
be remembered five years from now, he's gonna remember it
as the man who stopped like the Soviet Union from
dominating this entire planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for saying that. Man that does.
Speaker 4: The Soviet Union never recovered from the Second World War,
like frankly, the fact that they the fact that they,
the fact that they after after after the Day of defeat,
the fact that the Soviets they dominated literally one sixth
of the land mass of this planet and for forty
five years, We're able to challenge for supremacy of the world.
After one in seven of their population went down in
four years and like just like unprecedented devastation was was
was delivered upon them, Like that's utterly incredible. So, yeah,
the Soviet Union would have been the world hedgemon, like
had the Third roy cannot essentially like fatally wounded it.
And yeah, Russia is an important country, even even in
its diminished the like state that it exists to.
Speaker 3: It, I've spent some time there and they I would
say the most similar people culturally to the American is
the Russian.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it. That was another Hitler and Yacki
points that America and the Soviet Union have more in
came of each other than either doesn't.
Speaker 3: Europe yep, And I believe that was something with the
purchase or the sale of Alaska for as cheap as
it was. But if you look at the price of Alaska,
the Russians deliberately gave it to us for pennies on
the dollar. It didn't make a lot of sense at
the time, all right, But this is when Frederick Listed
gotten in everybody's heads because the smart, smart, fucking guy.
And from what I've been able to gather, the plan was,
Uhsar Nicholas was going to connect the Trans Siberian Railroad
with the Transcontinental Railroad, which had shots I think yep,
and they were going to connect up up in Alaska,
and you would have basically that would have basically like
that would have put Europe at the ass end of
the world. You had the largest industrial power the world
has ever seen, compared with you know, just integrated in
its supply chains, the largest natural resource power of the
world has ever seen.
Speaker 5: In Europe that has no natural resources to speak of.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: No, it's like we are you talking about this railway?
Was that pre or post World War two?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Pre World War One?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Tzars Empire, No, it was all the No, right, the
Russian Empire was was tremendously powerful too. That's why when
what announced that the Japanese arrived as as a as
a world power was because they they defeated the Russian
Navy and he humiliated them and then that's that was
a big deal. And well what on the evil World
War Two? When this when the Red Army smashed the
Japanese at Calcan Goal, because that was like that was
like Russia's revenge and the Japanese Empire. But yeah, no,
Russia's uh Russian Russians are very interesting people, man. Yeah,
I agree. I I don't want to be abrupt, but
I gotta, I gotta raise up in a minute, because
I gotta. I still gonna pack and do a bunch
of stuff. I'm gonna'm gonna wait for like Astro and
Peza come back, because they seem to have gone away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before you bounce, what do you think? I'd love
to get your take on this? What do you think
of European right wing political call it not just philosophy,
but also organizational structures maps onto the US because just
as far as like our cultural heritage are kind of
or veltenshang, I don't see much. And I think that
this is the problem with the right wing in America
and both and also the problem between US right wing
people and the kind of animosity that we've seen recently
develop from our European counterparts about.
Speaker 4: Us, Well, yeah, I mean the Europeans these days, like
the mainstream doesn't know what the fuck's going on, Like
they're idiots. Like I know some of the I know
some of the alterna for deutsch Land guys, know the
dude who's kind of like they're liaison with America and
he's a good guy, and they're like good people. But
I so I'm not gonna say anything bad about them,
even if my reservations about the party. But no, Europe,
Europe right now is done. Like it's it's a large
I mean, like there there's a vanguarded, dedicated guys who
got mad respect for but like they're they're, they're, they're
they're a complete fucking mess. Historically, I mean, there's things
do there's things that can be gleaned. It's I mean,
it's it's it's complicated, and especially the Prussian tradition, which
is very Protestant, albeit of a different lineage than ours.
But there are there are perennial things to glean from
the intellectual canon that that they created, that Potego culture.
They know, people like Joseph de Maestro. It was a
something of a heterodotic that's the reason why people compare
him to Edmund Burke. See was like very much like
a heterodoxic kindent a thinker. And at the end of
the day, if you're if you're if you're truly right wing,
like Hegel is sort of Hagel Aristotle and Heidegger should
kind of be like your canon. Okay, So you can't
escape that because America is an incomplete society because it uh,
it lacks a medieval origin, you know, So there's not
that there's not like an American philosophical canon. You know,
there's a theological canon, there's there's definitely an ethical disposition,
there's a cultural heritage. But you can't you can't like redact,
you can't react kind of all thought and and have
any sort of grounding and in a in a theory
of politics or a praxis. But that's that's a huge topic.
I can't I can't break it down simply in the
next couple of minutes. But yeah, again, I mean to
be a brought but I gotta I gotta pack, and
I'm not going to sleep tonight, but i gotta rest
my eyes and stuff. So I'm going to take leave.
But when I get when I get back from Arkansas,
when you guys do another stream, I'll be able to
dedicate more time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that we touched on
that I think we should talk about more in depth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Europe doesn't get everyone new, I think that.
I think that the dialogue between what is the American right,
what it's becoming, and how it's different and how it's
the same is going to be a fruitful conversation for
some time, and I think one that needs to be
flushed out. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, that that's definitely an important topic and it's it, Uh,
it's fertile ground, so to speak, for a lot of
important ideas to be unpacked. But yeah, when when you
guys upload this alert me, you know, I like, I'll
restack it and I link it on my social media
and stuff. But yeah, I'll be I'll be in touch
with you guys over the weekend. And I think the
o GC guys when we're out in Oregansas, they always
do like a big stream, so I'll participate in that
and I'll alert you guys over like social media. And yeah,
like I said, I want to I want to connect
with you guys when I get back regardless, but I yeah,
I wanna. I want to promote the movie, so we'll
talk about that too, if you guys are willing to
help me. But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna show very.
Speaker 3: Much, very excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that was that was good stuff. I look
forward to the next time. That was fascinating.
Speaker 4: No, I enjoyed talking to you guys man as well. Yeah,
rfl is. I'll I'll be in touch with you guys
in the next couple of days.
Speaker 3: Travis later.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to spend any more time on
it tonight, just because it's way too big of a topic.
But his characterization of the folk ways of America and
American history, which is how that book Al Beyonce Seed,
what that book Al Beyonce Seed is about. Thomas's characterization
is great. I love that he said we shouldn't think
of the Puritans as proto commis because I never thought
of them as proto commis. I thought they were. I
fucking think they're awesome. I think they're based. I think
it's crazy how they got this like terrible reputation in
American history. And I see people saying this all the
time on the right, like they they accept this take
on them h and I rejected completely. So he's like
the first guy I've heard say that in a while.
So I look forward to to more talk on this, stormy.
Speaker 3: What do you think were fucking two hundred years of
race war before anybody who went out.
Speaker 1: West, they were some of the most base people that
ever fucking lived, dude. And then I go on, like
the dissident right, and they're like, they turned them into
like the first Liberals, which I think might come from Mouldbug,
But I'm not sure if that's where people are getting that,
I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Think the path is is the path goes from the
Reformation to the Enlightenment to the French Revolution to you know,
basically where we are now. That's what that's what the
path is.
Speaker 2: Enlightenment.
Speaker 5: Say that again, the Protestant Reformation to the Enlightenment. There's
no enlighten meant without the Protestant Reformation, there's no French
Revolution without the Enlightenment, and YadA, YadA down the line.
Speaker 1: Do you think that skipped us or do you think
that we are direct a result in that?
Speaker 5: Oh? I think we just adopted. We adopted a different
form of liberalism. So you you look at two different revolutions.
You have a revolution in this country and you have
a revolution in France. It don't happen at the same time.
But I mean we're talking about what a fifteen year period,
fifteen year separation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well okay, good, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the revolution here is for enlightenment values. You
it's kind of hard to listen to read the the
language of the documents and not see the Enlightenment in it. Well,
seventeen eighty nine will say that they were in fired
by they were inspired by the same thing. Well, one
one just handles the getting rid of a one deals
with regicide the other way and basically killing the all
of you, all of the aristocracy and manually like literally,
and then they just just try to destroy the aristocracy
here by having a more you know, bill of rights,
you know, individual rights kind of thing. So I think
the parallels are pretty easy to see, and we all
pretty much end up the same place. The only thing
is is that World War One gets fought, and it's
hard to ignore the fact that World War One seems
to have been fought to destroy the remaining monarchies that
were left, and any monarchy that was left after that
was going to be purely parliamentary or was going to
be a parliamentary monarchy, and it's really just a monarchy
and name only. I mean, how many times has the
monarchy in England had a chance to completely and they
have this right in their law the monarchy can destroy
that can get rid of Parliament and take over at
any time and rule as monarchs, but they don't. Why
is that idea has just been destroyed?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree with Pete and I think that there is.
I mean, it's kind of like Boomert here. But when
you look at how much power these individuals have, I
think a lot of that came out of the Fabian
society because if you look at the web of intentional
trip wire mutual defense treaties that Britain was running a
round setting up in the wake before World War One,
it basically made it impossible for this to not irrupt,
not only involve Britain, but irrupt into World War Like
it's so much worse than what they're doing today with
like oh, we're going to sneak in Like I don't
know if anybody knows this. But there is something called
the Joint Expeditionary Force that sits on top of NATO
that is run by the UK, has his own command
to control infrastructure, but has access to any and all
NATO MENI material. They plan their own missions. They specialize
in grey zone warfare, like this sits on top of NATO.
Nobody even fucking knows this exists. So there's also these
other things that you know exists that most even Brits
don't know about. That there is a mutual defense treaty
between Poland and the UK, the same exact country that
they're trying to tee up to go into Ukraine right now,
knowing that that would trigger a war with Russia and Britain.
Like they're doing the same shit again. And I can't
imagine it's for much of a different reason than what
Pete is describing, because if you look at it like
a calculated way of taking out the monarchies and then
setting up all of these overlapping and interconnecting mutual defense
treaties for relatively like shithold nations like you know, Slovakia,
no offense, Slovakia is tony, Like what is it? At
that point? In time, like we're talking about global Britain,
height of world Empire. What exactly interest is it of Britain's,
you know, to to ensure and protect the territorial integrity
of Slovakia. So yeah, I think Pete is onto something
about the deliberate destruction of the monarchies of Europe. I
don't think that's a conspiracy. And I think the documentation
of the treaties at the time backup Wace.
Speaker 2: About World War One.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say, but in terms of
the tradition political traditions in America, I think that ours
are a lot more spontaneous and sort of built from
the ground up as opposed to imposed or implemented by
like a philosophical tradition and thought system. So I'm glad
Pete brought up Yacki earlier too, because he makes it
a point in imperium to say that the spirit of
the revolution and the doctrine of the revolution are two
kind of different things. That the doctrine of the revolution,
like Pete said, if you read the documents, it's basically
just all transposed from France and from England, or excuse me,
from Europe. Whereas the pioneer spirit comes with it a
desire not to be ruled. And this gets back I
mean Stormy when we were talking before the show.
Speaker 5: Uh, it's not a pioneer spirit, it's a pirate spirit.
Remember a lot of these a lot of these guys
were smugglers. I mean, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Part of it. That's part of it. I think it's
all like of one thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to cut you off. I think they're
all the same thing though. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete, go into that a little bit more.
Speaker 5: What do you mean, Well, I mean a lot of
the well, what was what was one of the problems?
He taxes things. They were smuggling things in illegally. I
mean that that's the way these people. They a lot
of the found thing Stock made their money, and especially
the aristocrats and the Southerners. You know, let's talk about
the southers and and the Northerners because really when you
look at Southern the Southern culture was based out of Virginia.
Thomas and I have talked about this before, if you
want to know where, and Paul Fahrenheit and I have
done it too, If you want to know where the
high culture in America was. It was in Virginia one
hundred percent. But there was if there was any kind
of even close competition in the North, it was out
of Boston. And notice these are places that are both
harbor you know, Virginia's how many harbors are in Virginia
where they're bringing things in. Then you have Boston, which
is another harbor. These people were smugglers, they were you know,
they were bootleggers, they were all of these things. And
it goes back to you know what Thomas was talking about.
It's more of an outlaw culture. It's more of we're
going to do whatever we want. And I think a
lot of what you I think a lot of the
break had to do with the fact that you can
only do that for so long until you have to
until you want to legitimize it. And you can't legitimize
it if you're under if you're under the crown, or
you're under another authority, so you have to become the authority.
I think that's what you know people, it's just elite.
It's more like elite theory that you can squeeze into it.
It's like, well, we need a new elite class and
it's going to be us, and we want to run
things away. We want to run them and well, we're
going to write this revolution. Okay, we're going to have
our independence. Okay, we're going to have this Articles of Confederation. Well,
the Articles of Confederation aren't centralizing enough for the kind
of things we want to do. So let's go and
amend the Articles of Confederation. Oh but what we're going
to do is we're going to lock the door. We're
going to throw the articles out. We're going to write
something completely new, which is a constitution which centralizes power
to the government and allows it to tax the people.
And basically the bootleggers and the pirates took over. That's
pretty much how I see the founding of America through
my you know, yeah, I'm I'm sure I come from
a large criminal line too, when you consider that actually
it was my people who actually came to came to
America and you know, landed, landed in uh, landed in
Florida and put their put their feet on the ground.
And why were they doing that. There were a bunch
of psychopaths who decided they were going to try and
take a shortcut do stupid things like that.
Speaker 3: To Pete's point, all, if you want to know who
the twenty British men in America at the time of
the Constitution was, just look at the signers. Yeah, the
I mean they were I mean, every single man on
that document would be a Forbes, you know, rich list
of America. They were the richest people in the country,
right solidifying their rule. It was very much an elite takeover.
Speaker 5: I mean George Washington, George Washington was one of the
major liquor distillers in the country.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: I mean people are oh, oh, the country wasn't even
ten years old and we had rebellion and the federal
government went out there to crush the rebellion. What was
he What were they?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: It was over whiskey distilling? Why what was the what
was the president's business? Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and that was over taxing whiskey? Wasn't it
over them.
Speaker 3: Taxing taxing competing whiskey?
Speaker 1: Well, Pete, no, I'm glad you said that, because I
think the pioneer spirit, the pirate spirit, the outlaws spirit,
the cowboy they're all like the same thing.
Speaker 3: You know, they're pulling on something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something I like to say, but I don't say
it that much because there's so many negative connotations with
this world word. Anarchism in America is a much different
thing than European anarchism because anarchism as a philosophy, as
a thought system was kind of created by socialists in
Europe in the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: But anarchy in America was like a.
Speaker 1: Living, breathing experience that you know, people had in different
forms as the country developed over the years, and it
was just they wouldn't call it anarchy, it was just
being an American from as the country moved west, there
was all this opportunity for so you know, here we
are in twenty twenty five, and that spirit, that impetus
inside Americans still lives on to this day. And Stormy,
one of the things you were saying to me in
our conversation that kind of birthed this episode was that, like,
you don't necessarily think the aesthetics and the ideologies of
what and the philosophy is of European right wingism is
necessarily going to appeal to Americans. And I think you
were you were definitely getting at, as far as I
understood you, people who don't consider themselves right wing now
who are kind of like undecided or apolitical that we
want to appeal to. Like we have to consider that,
like maybe the European aesthetics and the European ideas and
philosophy isn't going to appeal to Americans.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've never had a only only.
Speaker 1: Some Americans, and it's possible that a lot of those
Americans are already kind of here, you know what I'm saying,
Like the Americans that that's going to work on are
already with us. And no, we never had a monarchy.
Were kind of like set up against the monarchy.
Speaker 3: You've never had a cast system.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, people, right Exactly, Things started going downhill because
especially when it came to immigration, because we already had
all the best people in the world. You know, Hitler
said in his second book that the all of the
best Germans were all of the top Germans were already
in the United States. And when you look at it,
did when did immigration really start falling apart? Well, it
was when you when the top people in the world
stopped coming here and we were just based they were
all here, you know. I mean, if you want to
look at people from if you want to look at
the twentieth century, and you want to look at the
best Americaans, you're going to have heritage Americans and the
ones that aren't heritage Americans who came here from somewhere else.
In the twentieth century, they were the top, top of
the cast up and they were the top cast in
their countries up until a certain point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what you know. Giant even that that
Indian guy interviewed Giant Bandari said, he said, the problem
with that America doesn't understand about Indians is you haven't
even met the average Indian yet. The best Indians in
India are already here and they're not the I mean,
and he won't tell you that they're Americans and that
they should be here. No, they he will say they
shouldn't be here. But he's like, oh, you think you
have it bad now just wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. No, I
don't think they are after I think I sent you
that post recently just to do a quick victory lap
on Astrol's face, which he very much deserves.
Speaker 1: No, I don't wanna we can do this, but I
don't want to get off Pete's point first.
Speaker 2: And we can go back to the H one B thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it looks like we're not getting a million.
It looks like Elon Musk is not getting his billion jeets.
So apparently someone is thinking along the lines that Pete
is thinking.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, So the demographics of the country are
not they're not sending their best.
Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. They're not sending their best.
Speaker 5: So and arguably all the all the best Mexicans were
already here in Mexico, I mean in Texas. They were
all I would agree with that. Yeah yeah, so it's like, okay,
well now you're just importing. You're just importing the the
lowest iq. I mean, if anyone who's ever spent any
time in Texas, when you meet someone you know is
it's Tejano, that person is pretty much as they're cowboys.
They're like Old West cowboys. That's the kind of spirit
they have. They don't have a subversive spirit. They have
a cowboys spirit, and that's pretty much what built this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if I look at pictures of like the
the monasteries and stuff in southern California and just the
people that were there before it became a part of America,
Like they're the most Tejano looking motherfuckers you're going to
see anywhere south of the Rio Grande.
Speaker 2: Well those were probably built by the Spanish.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's talking about Yeah, of course, Thomas talked about
that in the California series.
Speaker 5: It's like, really, the Mexicans that were in California and
bet in California forever, there's no problem with them and
heritage Americans who want to scream about that, Oh, well,
don't you shouldn't have bought the fucking land. You shouldn't
have got when they ain't got that land. Yeah, it
was Mexico.
Speaker 3: That was anybody's talking to shut the fuck up hardly.
Speaker 5: It's like, you want to complain about Mexicans. Mexicans in Texas.
There there I've met people in I met Mexicans in Texas,
people who their families were there when it was Mexico.
Speaker 3: Yep, okay right now by the Wahawkans.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody from the mainstream liberal media and
the online right wing says the same thing, like, oh,
there's Mexicans in America who are against elige immigration, Like
it's this big fucking shocking thing. It's like, no, those
are Americans. Those people are Americans. They they only that
wasn't America until eighteen fifty and they were just living
there before and after we annexed it.
Speaker 3: You know, they were the only reason that we we
needed both of them to kill the commands shee.
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, And that's why you yeah, exactly, that's
why you specified wa Hawkins because the people coming over
illegally now are totally different.
Speaker 2: They're completely different.
Speaker 3: They look just like night and day.
Speaker 5: When Sam when Sam Houston went to went to Texes,
or when Steve Austin went to left Tennessee and went
to Texas, they weren't attacked by Mexicans. They weren't attacked
by Indians. That's who killed Yeah, that's who killed my
wife's ancestors in Texas. It was Indian attacks. It wasn't Mexicans.
The Mexicans were fighting the Indians alongside them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. People don't understand what the country was like. I mean,
when was the gold rush eighteen fifty to eighteen seventy
eighteen eighty. You if you were going to go be
a gold miner and prospect to claim, you would rather
spend eight to nine months on a ship I mean,
like it'll make the Maria, the Pin and the Santa
Maria look, you know, like luxury cruise lines. In comparison
to these ships. You would spend a year on a
ship going from New York all the way around South
America past the cape of what is it Cape Horn,
and then all the way back to the West coast.
That was more favorable than the idea of you having
to cross America, like to get an idea of like
how hostile the interior of America was. Yeah, white people,
you would rather go on a boat for a year
around the fucking world and get in a carried wagon
and get your ass across the country because you would
have probably died.
Speaker 1: I have an episode in In a Horrible Way, and
there's a scene in that book that is based on
a real life thing, and I go into it much
more detail in the Blood Meridian episode. So I can't
remember the exact details, but you can look up newspaper
articles about this in Arizona newspapers from like eighteen seventy
or whatever. There was a ford across the river that
was basically manned by Indians and they were charging They
were charging settlers and people in the gold Rush and
emigrants to go across it, and there was like a
high class forward where you know, they would take your
stuff and they'd bring you across in a poll ship
and they would they would bring your horses across, and
it was pretty shallow, and there was a low class
forward that was like way less expensive, but like you
might just get swept away from the river in that fort,
and outlaws and comanche would regularly raid the place and
you know, rob the settlers, rob the Indians who were
collecting fair and it was basically like you're taking your
life into your own hands going across this fort. Part
of the reason why the West was able to be
developed so much as it was at the time that
it was, and part of the reason why the gold
rush became like, you know that much more people going
across is because a group of outlaws, and this is
depicted in the book Blood Meridian take over the ford,
massacre everybody there, Kill the low class forward down down
the stream where the Indians were charging less money, kill
all of them. And instead of taking over the ford
and like charging people for it, they would just rob
anyone who showed up and just kill them. And then
Indians would come and they'd get in huge battles at
the ford, so the US military had to go and
take the ford over and protect it. And they're the
ones who started ushering people across, and like, this is
part of how the gold Rush was able to happen.
This is part of how people were able to actually
settle the West. So it's exactly what Stormy was talking about,
and I go into it in much detail. I remember
the name of the ford at the time and all
that stuff in that episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was insane. And that was in the
eighteen nineties, eighteen eighties.
Speaker 5: No, it was like seven one.
Speaker 2: And these these outlaws.
Speaker 1: By the way, the reason why they were even there
in the first place was because the Mexican government was
paying them for Comanche or Apache scalps. They killed all
the Apaches, sold all the scalps, then they massacred a
bunch of Mexican like citizens, sold all their scalps, and
then the government chased them out of the country because
they were like, we can't have these people, these you know,
free bruders running around massacrering people. The Mexican army chases
them out of the country and they go straight to
this ford that's the next thing that they do. This,
that's what the book is about. And it all really happened.
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks that, like, oh, since World War Two, America
has just been one war and after another. We've been
at war since the very first ship landed in America.
It has been NonStop racial violence. And I mean we
can say that horrible things happened in Europe. Horrible things
did happen in Europe, but nothing was horrible on the
scale of the American Indian Wars. I mean, cruelty exists
like that anymore.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear how Pete where Pete is
with this. But for me personally, like when I was
much much younger, I kind of had the idealistic look
at the Native Americans like, oh, they were living in
a state of nature and they were the the stereotypical
noble savages and we should just live like they do,
and basically that white people genocided them and were mean
to them.
Speaker 2: But then when you read.
Speaker 1: What really happens, uh, it was, it was it was
like a fucking nightmare, like Native a Mayor. I think
that movie The Witch, by the way, is about Native Americans.
Actually in the movie it's like a satanic force that's
out in the woods that's like stealing their children and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think it's all.
Speaker 1: Metaphorical for the native of the Native Americans, because these
fit these settlers would just be out in the wilderness
and Indians would just appear out of the woods, massacre everybody,
kill the babies, kill the men, and take the women
and rape them and turn them into their you know,
concubines so that they could breed. And every once in
a while you'd get a settler who just has that
happened to them, and they go absolutely fucking insane and
go massacre a bunch of Indians, like in retribution.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they would do that. Sometimes they would put the
women in a giant deerskin sack, fill that sack full
of water and then hold them out over the fire
and boil the women to death. And that would happen too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like all of this, like American horror story
about the demon coming out of the woods and stuff.
Speaker 2: I think all of that.
Speaker 1: Once I learned about what it was really like to
be a settler in America in the East in the
sixteen hundreds in the East, I was like, oh, this
is where all of American horror stories come from. It's
this deep seated, fucking blood memory of savages like materializing
out of the forest in the middle of the night
and massacring your family. So I don't know, Pete, I
was wondering, like, if you had a similar trajectory. Obviously
I'm stating the case much more bluntly. It's it's obviously
more nuanced.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean sure. I read the book Black
Elk Speaks by Art nithartt Niheart, and they he it's
always the the spiritual, the overly spiritual warrior. Who doesn't
you know, we will fight if we have to. That's
not the reality of what of what these people were.
Arguments could be made that some of the north Northeastern
Indians who actually worked with white worked with white settlers
and even when they started forming their own governments, they
they worked with them, that they they were friendly. But
when when you start going out into the west, you know,
I mean dances what wolves probably did more to promote
the this Oh, just the peaceful Indians who never oh,
there's this other tribe, and that other tribe attacks them.
Everyone in a while, they were all out there killing
each other all out there killing each other. They're just
there were warring factions all across this country. You know,
you'll see every once in a while you'll see someone
put up a map of the the United States and
it'll be it'll show where all the tribes were. It's like, oh,
this is the real America. Uh yeah, do you don't
how many do you have any wars they fought against
each other? Do you have do you think they had
any kind of Christian any kind of Christian idea of hey,
maybe we shouldn't be killing kids or something like that
in war? I mean, it's it's all just somebody else
writing our writing the history for us. It's all something
being sold to certain things. So really it's just telling
white people that you're you're evil.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: These savages, these these noble savages are better than you.
So well, I mean you still got the savage in there, right, Well,
what does that mean? Well? Can we define that and
talk about that a little bit. No, we don't want
to know. It's just it's just telling Europeans that we're
we're scum and that these people who didn't even have clothes,
You didn't even have like real clothing and you know what,
ran around half naked women too.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 5: They were just so much better than you, and it
was such a peaceful land until you showed up. Okay,
sure you can believe that, but that's that's not the
reality of what it is. That's just the worst of
revisionist history. And it's not even revisionist history, it's just propaganda.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the reasons for demons are as strong in America
in certain places as they are as the amount of
blood spell I think. And yes, yeah, it's that scared
blood hitting the ground. It's there. There is a certain
malicious spiritual element to certain parts of the United States
where you can just really bad stuff happened there long
before we were over there. Like, America is a lot
older than people think. I don't know where I'm going that,
but I mean, I mean had some private conversations about
certain places in America.
Speaker 5: I'll take it to you, you know, I'll take it. Well,
how about if we were trying to we were trying
to investigate all of the places where the most violent
crime happens. Mm hmm, yeah, and see what to see
what the history of that land is, See what the
history of what was done in the South side of
on the land of the South Side of Chicago or Birmingham, Alabama,
places like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with either of those. What happened in
the South Side of.
Speaker 5: Chicago, Oh, I don't know. I'm saying. I'm saying, if
you were to go back, is there something haunted about
that place?
Speaker 3: You could say you could definitely say that.
Speaker 5: In Louisiana, Oh, well, Louisiana, New Orleans food, I mean
if the Creole have been there practicing voodoo for how
many centuries now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and I can't remember the name of the
Indians that lived there, but were particularly violent. They were
the ones that came in and wiped out a majority
of the people before the Seminoles. They basically wiped out
every single man, moment, and child, and in the in
the Floridas. So there there were these pockets of particularly
hyper violent And this is like another thing I don't
think anyone on the European continent. I mean, the only
thing you can compare it to is South Africa. I
think the Europeans that came to America and the Europeans
that came to South Africa experienced violence of a type
that had been dead in Europe for a thousand years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what you mean is the difference
between the violence an established society experiences with its neighbors
in like warfare and battle, versus the violence that you
have to commit in order to like build a civilization.
They're two totally different things, and.
Speaker 3: That's a very good violence.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's what you're trying to say.
Speaker 3: It's a very good point because I view and this
is an unpopular opinion, but I don't view America as
part of European civilization or a continuation of it. I
see it as its own separate thing. And you're absolutely right.
The amount of violence it takes to establish a civilization
is very, very different from the amount of violence it
takes to maintain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be.
Speaker 5: It has to be different, because it has to be.
It has to be different because when when they came here,
they didn't bring them the high culture of the old land.
They started their own there, a new one.
Speaker 3: This is true. There was virtually nothing of it.
Speaker 5: The argument. Uh, Paul Fahrenheit and I have talked before about,
you know, whether a colony can have its own high culture,
because there's a high culture in the in the Motherland
and it's like, well, the people who came here were
did they still want to be British? Did they act?
It seems like it was a very very different breed
then came here than the ones that stayed there. And
it almost seems like on a metaphysical level, those two
groups had to separate or something bad was going to happen.
Speaker 3: And just think about the undertaking, like there was a
ninety percent chance you were not even going to make
it across the ocean. How motivated? Like what is possessing
hundreds of thousands of people to do that? It wasn't
religious persecution. I don't believe that was it. I believe
people can get swept up and motivated and driven by
a spirit that's bigger than themselves, Like I believe, I don't.
I don't believe like Zeitgeist is like whatever the current
thing is. I think that's you know, people that are
closetly materialists and don't want to maybe say so, at
least in our Spherites don't want to say so, but
still have a materialist paradigm. I think that that's what
they've usedgeist as, But I don't think that's what that
word means at all. I think it is meant to
be taken literally, like there is a There are spirits
that you know, whether you call them another word, that
nobody under fucking nobody in the right understands. Actually the
leftist works with this word now that they figured it out.
But in egg grigor there are certain spirits that are
derived from men or from man in in mass form, right,
hundreds of thousands of people together with the same ideas,
will create a thing that's psychic in its nature, that
is bigger than each and every one of them, that
will motivate them and drive them to do things that
they never could have done or even thought possible. And
that's that's what I see when I see hundreds of
thousands of people taking what was at that point in
time the risky to sea voyage, because I mean, you
go to fucking India or you can go to China,
and yeah, that was further away, but you basically just
hugged the coast the whole time, right like nobody was
going out across the fucking ocean like that wasn't happening.
And that's what I mean. It'd be like if everyone
started just going like we're all going to go to
Mars and they they started piling into rockets and maybe
one in ten would make it, and you'd be like,
what the fuck are these people doing.
Speaker 5: As much as I like history, I don't I hate
the minutia of history. Oh let's talk about this one person,
or let's talk about and it's in important to talk
about one person. But the thing I think, and I
think this is one of the reasons why the episodes
and the series I do with Thomas are so important,
is because when it comes down to it, we're talking
about the spirit of what was being done and why
it was being done, not oh this person, oh that person.
Sure that person is playing a part in it, but
they're an actor in it. When it comes right down
to it, there's a there's this over arching spirit of
the age that is in play, and there are people
acting within it. There are people who are absolutely possessed
by it and are the ones that are pushing it
and keeping it going. And then there are others who
were saying, oh, we need to push back on this here,
and those are all of those people are important. I mean,
if you want to talk about World War two, people
want to talk about Hitler. People want to talk about FDR,
people want to talk about Churchill. There's a reason nobody
wants to talk about Stalin is because one, well, the
United States sided with Stalin and they kind of want
to forget about that. And whenever you bring it up,
people's reaction to, oh, well, you know, the United States
sided with a guy who killed twenty million of his
own people. You know, killed ten million people before the
war even started. But Hitler, but Hitler. Are you saying
we should have sided with Hitler? But we should have
been on the side of genocide. If you're not looking
at all, if you leave Stalin out of it, and
you leave exactly how he was used in the spirit
of this age, you're missing what the spirit of the
age is. I'm not saying that I even know one
hundred percent what it is, but what I'm saying is
you have to know all of the moving parts and
you have to be able to harmonize them in order
to understand exactly what's going on at any given time
when if you want to look at what's going on now,
it's very very easy and we all do it. To
go on social media and to go on Twitter x
whatever you want to call it and nitpick and say, oh, Trump,
here's Trump being controlled by the Jews, Here's Trump being
controlled by Silicon Valley, Here's Trump being controlled by this being.
What is the overarching spirit of what we're experiencing right
now and where is it taking us? And people don't
want to ask that question because it's too because well, basically,
even the you have all these hardcore Christians out there,
the joel Berries of the world, and you know, the
Neil Shenvi's of the world who think they're spiritual, and
they're all materialists. And if you're a materialist, you you
can't even ask these questions. This question doesn't the spirit
of the age doesn't make any sense to you. It
can only be driven by men. But who are men?
Once you understand that men are driven, they're either pawns
of the spirit of the age or they're driven by
the spirit of the age. And every once in a
while you'll get one who recognizes the spirit of the
age and is writing it and using it and using
it in ways that are unseen, that are hard to
see unless you're looking for it. Well, I mean, then
we're just playing. This is just this is just pieces
on a board and everybody. You can't see it. You'll
never be able to see a big picture. You'll never
be able to see where we're going. I think one
of the reasons why we were able to at the
beginning of last year, even when when Ericson recognized like
the pyal, the whole PayPal mafia side of what was
going on. The reason we were able to see that
and we were able to call so much of what
was going to happen is because we're not materialists. We
were looking at it from a completely different angle than
everybody else's. Everybody else is just looking at there's politics.
Speaker 3: Politics.
Speaker 5: Oh, politics, politics, No, that's that's not what this is,
I mean. And I think that's the reason why when
you saw what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, people immediately jumped
to conspiracy theories. This has to be man man, that
men plan this. This is one gigantic conspiracy. Trump's in
on it. Trump's not in on it, and it's his
people were in on it. That blood wasn't real. He
cut his ear when he went down, like coul Cogan
and you know, or a wrestler or something like that.
They didn't leave it open that what happened there was
going to lend itself to an overarching spirit of the
age that's taking us somewhere, and now we're just riding
it out and trying to figure out what is happening,
what has happened, and what's going to come next. And sure,
I'm open to making political arguments and from a real
politique standpoint, but when it comes right down to it,
the reason I can see so much that other people
can't see is because that's not the only thing I'm
looking at. I'm looking at a much bigger picture. And
when I'm looking at that bigger picture, and I'd step
outside of myself and I'm like, oh, I think this
is gonna happen, and I'm wrong. Oh, Pete was wrong.
I'm sorry. I wasn't looking at it from a political standpoint.
I was looking at it from something much bigger. And
if you can't deal with that, if you think it's cope,
please stop listening to me, you know, I mean, please
just stop commenting. I mean, you're not my people, and
I'm fine with that. I don't want I don't want
an army. I want five or ten people that I
can trust. You know that they're on the same wavelength
as me. And you know, it's just one of Thomas's lines.
It's like, I mean, you're not even in the game.
You're not You're definitely not playing the same game. I
am so yeah.
Speaker 3: I'd like to read you guys a quote an excerpt
from an interview that Carl Jung did with his time
with Hitler, and I think that it will back up
a lot of what Pete is saying. There are two
types of strong men in a primitive society. One is
the chief, who is physically powerful, stronger than all of
his competitors, and another was the medicine man, who is
not strong himself, but was strong by reasons of the
power in which the spirits of the people projected into him.
Thus we had the Emperor and the Pope. Hitler belongs
to the category of truly mystic medical men. His body
does not suggest strength. The outstanding characteristic of his physiognomy
is a dreamy look. I was especially struck with it
when I saw pictures of him taken in the Czechoslovaki
and crisis. I saw him, and I immediately saw the
eyes of a seer. I asked, why is it that Hitler,
who clearly made who nearly makes every German fall down
and worship him, produces next to no impressions on a foreigner.
Few foreigners respond at all, yet apparently every German in
Germany does. It is because Hitler is the mirror of
every German's unconscious soul. But of course he mirrors nothing
for a non German. He is the loud speaker which
magnifies the inaudible whisper of the German soul until it
can be heard by the German's unconscious or the German's
conscious ear. He is the first man to tell every
German what he has been thinking and feeling all along
in his unconscious about Germany and its fate, especially since
the defeat in the World War. And the one characteristic
which colors every German soul is an inferiority complex, a
complex of the younger brother. Hitler is not a political person.
His power is not politic It is magic. To understand magic,
one must understand what the unconscious is. It is to
a part of our mental constitution over which we have
little control, and which is stored with all sorts of
impressions and sensations, which contain thoughts and even conclusions of
which we are not aware. Besides the conscious impressions which
we receive, there are all sorts of impressions constantly impinging
from impinging upon us and our sense organs, which we
are not aware of. They come from somewhere else. They
are too slight to attract our conscious attention. They lie
beneath the threshold of consciousness. But all of these subliminal
impressions and messages are recorded. Nothing is lost. Someone maybe
speaking in a faintly audible voice in the next room
while we are talking here. You pay no attention to it.
But the conversation next door is being recorded in your
mind as surely as if it was standing in front
of you. Now, the secret of Hitler's power is not
that Hitler has an unconscious more plentifully stored than yours
and mind. His secret is twofold. First, that his unconscious
has an exceptional access to his consciousness. They are one,
and second, he allows himself to be moved by it.
He is like a man who listens intently to the
stream consciousness in a whispered voice from a mysterious source,
and then acts upon that voice. In our case, even
if occasionally our unconscious does reach us through our dreams.
We have too much rationality, too much cerebrum to obey it.
But Hitler listens, Hitler obeys. The true leader is always led.
We can see it work in him. He himself has
referred to his voice. His voice is nothing other than
his own unconscious into which the German people have projected
their own selves, That is, the unconscious of seventy eight
million Germans. That is what makes him powerful. Without the
German people, he would be nothing. It was literally true
when he said that whatever he is able to do
is only because he has the German people behind him,
because he is Germany. So with the unconscious being the
receptacle of the souls of seventy eight million, he is powerful.
And with his unconscious perception of the true balance of
political forces at home and in the world, he has
been infallible. That is what makes political judgments which turn
out to be right against all the opinions of all
of his advice, and against the opinions of all foreign observers.
When this happens, it means only that the information gathered
by him, gathered by his unconscious and reaching into his
conscious by means of an exceptional talent, has been nearly correct,
more correct than any of the all the others, Germans, foreigners,
any who attempted to judge the situation and reached conclusions,
they reached conclusions different than him, and they were wrong.
I remarked that Hitler's voice continues to always be right.
And we are in a very interesting period of time.
And something something that journalist sayn't question. Doctor Young gravely answers, Yes,
it seems that the German people are in a way.
The Germans is remarkably like the Sham. It's a dumb MoMA.
He's doing a dumb like Bible, comparing it to Jesus
and the Jews in the Siah. But the Jews were
the people that rejected Jesus. So is an alergq. It
doesn't quite make sense. But here's the good part. Doctor
Young said. He closely observed Hitler at his meeting with
Mussolini in Berlin. I was only a few yards away
from him, but from the two men I could study
them well. In comparison with Mussolini, Hitler was made upon
me the impression of a sort of scaffolding of wood
covered with clothes, an automaton with a mask, like a robot,
or a mask of a robot. During the whole performance,
he never laughed. It was though he were in bad humor.
He showed no human signs whatsoever. His expression was that
of an inhumanly single minded purposeness. He seemed as if
he might be a double of a real person, a
mirror reflection, and that Hitler the man might perhaps be
hiding inside, like in its appendix, deliberately so hiding as
to not disturb the mechanisms. With Hitler, you do not
feel that you are with a man. You are with
a medicine man, a form, a form of spiritual vessel,
a demi deity, or a myth. With Hitler, you are scared.
You know that you would never be able to talk
to this man because this man is not there. There
is no one there. He is not a man but
a collective. He is not an individual but a nation.
I take it literally true to be true when he
says that he has no personal friend, How can you
talk intimately with a nation?
Speaker 2: Where was that from? Do you know what a book
that was in?
Speaker 3: This is in a magazine article from nineteen forty two.
I'll drop it in a chat. But that's basically what
Carl Jung is describing as what is what Peter's describing.
It's funny that these people are made up of their
conscious actions. It's one hundred percent right. I heard of
Thomas quote once. I said, if one hundred million people
think that you're a hero, that doesn't matter what you think,
because you're a fucking hero.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are, it's just simply for people who don't
want to He's a messianic figure. Yes, that's what it is. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, yeah, it's just and a lot of
the great men or who great men doesn't mean that
they when I say great men, it doesn't mean that
they had to do great things that you agreed with.
But the great men were vest were vessels. They were
vessels for something else. And the people who chalk Hitler
up to being a psychopath just concerned about himself. Oh
if he if he loved the German people so much,
why did he get so many of them killed?
Speaker 2: I hate that argument.
Speaker 5: It is the most you're a liberal, you're a fucking leftist.
That's a leftist question. That's that's that's a question that
comes out of materialism and and pure emotion, pure emotional materialism.
Speaker 3: How does it make you? How does it affect you personally? Though?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: I believe Napoleon also talked about a voice in his
head or a guardian angel on his head that would
give you.
Speaker 5: You think that so less less. Wexner talks about that too.
Speaker 1: A little bit different. Do you think that characterizes Donald
trumpet all the way he explained Hitler in any in
any sense? Maybe not completely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like he has an ability if you ever
like listen to him, he doesn't really have all that
much to say, right.
Speaker 5: If he is okay, no, hold on, hold on. If
he is like if he is doing the bidding of
the nation okay, and you're like, well he trumps all
over the place. He does this for the Jews, and
he does this for that, Well, what's the nation. We're
a multiculture We're a multicultural nation. If he's doing if
he's channeling the spirit of the nation, the spirit of
the nation is completely fucked up. It has no there's
no focus to it. It's a fight. It's it's spirits
fighting with each other is what it is. So if
you look at Trump and you're like, oh, well, you know,
if you look upon him in this way, you're going
to look upon him as how many how many spirits
fighting each other within him, wanting his projecting their once
and needs upon him.
Speaker 3: M h. I think these are opinions of people that
don't understand what it is like to have political power,
not at all, nation state, a nation state depending on you,
like you are their will collectively. That is a sanctifying experience,
all right. You You are basically, in both the literal
and spiritual senses, forced to become more than an individual,
more than just yourself. And everyone's like, well, how come
he do an age? How come he does an age?
How does he have so much energy? Because I don't
think it's him that's moving him. Don't get me wrong.
I don't think you know, Trump is a you know American,
you know, Christ like figure or anything like that. But
I mean that these changes, but basically what possessed Hitler
would have found someone else. This is the thing about
the aggrigor. The aggrigor is made by the people. Right
when Carl Jung is talking about the unconscious cries of
seventy million Germans, right.
Speaker 5: Germans, Yes Germans is the most important part of that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is they are. All of it is
a non confused message. But when seventy million people cry
out for in pain or you know, in oppression like
people don't understan Again, if you look at this through
the material lens materialless lens. None of this is going
to make any sense. But you're fucking wrong and you're dumb.
I can walk into a room right ten seconds after
two people have just gotten into a knockdown, drag out,
screaming fight, all right. I didn't hear any of it,
had on my headphones on as I was walking into
the door, all right, and they had stopped, and both
of them are in separate rooms. I don't even see
any of them yet, I know the second I walk
in the door, and every single person has experienced this,
So please tell me if the if you're conscious feelings
like anger, hatred, like despair, like pain, if those are
only feelings in your head, then how could I walking
into that room right when both of those people, the
husband's in the garage, the wife's inner in the bedroom.
Both of them are fucking angry, and I'm sat and
you know, just had the worst fight ever. I don't
see any of them, and I know that they just
had a fight. It is still there, that energy is
still in the room. This is when people say like, oh,
I can cut it with a knife. Cut what exactly,
And you times that by seventy million people. It creates
a type of spiritual gravity that has a runaway effect.
I think of how like stars form. It's all like gas,
and then it keeps pouring in and pouring and pouring in,
and all of a sudden it gets so dense. Something
you know now exists. That thing is going to find
a vessel. If it wasn't Hitler, it would have been
somebody else. But it is a thing on the conscious
plane that has its own agenda, the seventy million people suffering.
It has a purpose right to fulfill that purpose. It
is going to go about fulfilling it in any way
it wishes, and it's going to find It's always a man.
It's usually a man without children. But they they know
where they're going. So you can't talk any of this
up to Trump. You can't talk any of this up
to Hitler. They were a vehicle for something much larger
than themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tides of history. They were going that way already,
and it's well.
Speaker 3: Again, what is the tides of history? It's the culminated,
it's it is a sum total of billions of conscious minds.
Speaker 5: Well, and it's also the cutting of reason. I mean,
it's God working working through it. And that's what most
people don't want to hear, you know when you talk
about it, when you talk about when you talk about
Hagel and the cutting of reason, people are willing to
listen about Hegel until you get to that part.
Speaker 3: I mean for people that don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Well, it's like okay, so how.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 5: And how can a how does God allow Stalin to
come to power? Or how It's just basically it's the
cutting of reason. Is that you just can't understand what
god plan is and somehow you use it. That's why Tom.
You know, when Thomas talks about politics, when he talks
about this stuff, notice that he he doesn't really ever
get emotional until it comes to people's materialistic kind of stupidity. Yeah,
he's very unemotional about this because you know, like he says,
he goes, you know, I'm a I'm a reform Protestant.
God isn't you know, God is going to do what
God's going to do. That doesn't mean that we don't
do you know, we don't. We aren't compelled to do
what we want to do. But it's all the cunning
of reason. It's all this is no matter what you're seeing,
it's all a part of God's plan. And people just
don't want to accept that because in a materialistic society, everything,
if people are starving, if you're at war, if millions
are dying, how can this be part of God's plan?
You get it is.
Speaker 3: Just because they can't understand that God that only man
suffers time. God does not suffer time. He is outside
of time. Therefore, anything past, present or future he looks
at as one thing because it is one thing. It's
only not one thing. If you're a human being in
the material world, then it's a linear thing. But if
you are outside of that, it is not so. Unless
you can see five hundred years in the future, you
don't know what God's plan is. You can't see outside
the horizon of your own life span. So things that
may not make sense now are going to have huge
ramifications hundreds and hundreds of years ago or from now.
Speaker 5: And technically, you know, this could send us down a
whole rabbit trail. So we don't live in the past
or the future either, We just live in the present.
So yeah, that's that's another one that can that people
want to. You can argue over all day and everything,
but you know, the we anticipate the future and the
past informs us, but we're always living right now and
all of our decisions are being made right now.
Speaker 1: But this is why I don't want to do an
ongoing play by play of every single one of Trump's moves.
That's why I'm glad we don't really talk about any
of that stuff tonight, because what Trump is doing right
now is disentangling himself from some very fucking serious, fucked
up situations that his predecessors put America in Ukraine and
the war in the Middle East. It's really fucking bad,
and it takes it's going to be a painstaking process
to be disentangled from those two things, and he's gonna
have to do things that the little people aren't going
to fucking like, and they're not going to understand it,
and they're not going to have the long term well
being of the country in mind as they watch every
single decision Trump makes. That's why I don't get mad
when he does shit that I don't like.
Speaker 3: No, he just announced today that no Palestinian is leaving Gaza,
so that means, yeah, exactly, leading everybody in the wrong
direction for the past week weeks. And the other thing
is that, like the forces that Astrol's talking about, you
have two of the world's The US is actually really
bad at spook shit. Sorry, I've had a root canal,
so I can't I can't pronounce my pe. Yeah, spook stuff.
We're really bad at spook stuff. You know, it's not
really bad at spook stuff.
Speaker 2: Israel in the UK, exactly.
Speaker 3: Israel in the UK. One, the UK has been spending
the better part of a decade setting America up to
go to war against Russia, and Israel has been doing
the exact same thing for Iran. So two of the
best intelligence agencies, the most spooky of spookshit, have been
laying ten years plus of groundwork to entangle America into
two wars. Either of them would be catastrophic, and in
case of in case of Russia.
Speaker 1: Ukraine as well UK and Israel and Ukraine. Ukraine isn't
necessarily good at spook shit. But Tucker keeps referring to
them as evil. He keeps saying they're going, they are stormy,
saying with uk and Israel spookshit at the same time.
The corrupt motherfuckers. And when I say corrupt motherfuckers, I
mean measurably the most corrupt people in the world. Measurably
the most corrupt people in the world are working views
of the.
Speaker 3: Work intelligence went to Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all and them to get us embroiled in
this ship.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent the entire hebe side of the KGB
operated out of Ukraine. All right, Like all of this,
all of the USSRS, you know, tiny hat, part of
its intelligence forces chose Ukraine. I wonder why to operate
out of so after the fall of the Soviet Union.
I mean, look, Putin had to kick out how many
oligarchs of the tribe four or five? There's four or
five of those same you know, tiny hat, the oligarchs
in just one city in Ukraine. Right, It's like the
people that Putin had to throw out because they're absolutely
upending the political process and taking over his country. In
the late nineties or sorry, early nineties, he kicked four
of them out. Yeah, to great fanfare, not fanfair, but
like to great media hysteria. He kicked four fucking Jewish
oligarchs out of the country. All of them fled to London. Hint, hint, Right,
But that was it. All the other oligarchs, that's Russians
and London, and thank you, Pete, all the other Russian oligarchs,
the ethnic Russian oligarchs stayed and worked with the government.
But notice how many oligarchs there are in Ukraine. There's
high double digits, and they're all of that tribe. And
it's effectively just been interwoven with the Ukrainian intellig intelligence
forces since the fall of the Soviet Union. So Tucker
is not wrong. I think a profound evil happened in Ukraine.
I don't know what. I don't know if it was
went on before the Hall of dea Moore, But I
don't think that the Pale settlement is on the place
that it was for no reason. I think there's a
geography to some of this. Like Pete and I were
talking about places in America, I think there some places
are evil and anything that grows there is evil.
Speaker 5: You know, Well, when you know people want to ask,
it's like okay, So when a certain tribe gets into power,
how or gets influenced anything, How come everything goes to shit? Well,
you're talking about you're dealing with materialists. And Shaha clearly
shows us in his book. These aren't people who believe
in afterlife. These people, these aren't even people who really
believe in a spirit world. The materialists. How do you
how does the spirit of God work through what would
even work through them? How would the spirit of the
age even work through them? In the only way that
it would it would appear the only way that it
can work through materialists. And now I'm including not only
the tribe, I'm including all the other you know, all
the other people who've joined right along with them. Is
it has to be some kind of force from the
outside that is pushing them to do materialist bidding to
government where you're going, and to live, and to push
society to live just like they do. Because if society
is living as non materialists, that is that's who pushes
back against that, that's who recognizes materialism for what it is.
So that's why everywhere they go they have to destroy
those the non materialists, the people who believe in the
metaphysics that believe people who believe in the spirit world,
people who believe in the spirit, who can believe in
the spirit of an age, the people who can adopt
a high culture because they can't get what they want,
which is the riches and the power. Now, if there
are people who are living for something that goes beyond
this world, they just is Jewish history, Jewish religion. It's
a I read the whole thing on my show. It's
a hundred pages. Anyone who read it, it's it's soup.
It's easy. And he just goes through and shows how
these people aren't Jewish. There it's something, it's something wholly
other and there's no.
Speaker 3: And there's specifically came out of that area.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's no spirit to it.
Speaker 3: There's no it's all this magic.
Speaker 5: It's just tribal Yeah, it's just tribalism and magic.
Speaker 3: Yep. Because if you look at like the the the
Sapphartam and basically the ones that are the Jews people
that are still in the Middle East, it's they may
as well have functionally different religions.
Speaker 5: And the ones that you know and like them is rocky.
And the ones that are from actually from that area,
they have radically lower IQs than the ones who are
from Europe and the ones who are from palest settlement
and the ones who the German Jews who came came
here in the early eighteen hundreds and and a lot
of them settled in the south. I mean radically lower.
I don't know what that means, but yeah, but they
seem to be some of the most violent and some
of the most h Let's kill all of these fucking
Arabs and take all of this land.
Speaker 3: M hmm, yep. Well, I think would almost be civilizing
in a sense.
Speaker 1: Right Because I have to, I have to call it
a night. It's almost midnight. But I feel like today's
episode we brought up a ton of stuff we need
to elaborate on.
Speaker 2: So let's call events.
Speaker 1: Which I'm happy about because I was getting a little
bit fatigued, a little bit fatigued on gaming it. But
uh yeah, let's reconvene a SAP. Maybe we'll even look
at maybe even next week. I don't know when Thomas
is back off the road, but we could do a
we could do a shotgun episode before he's back.
Speaker 2: But this is good, This is a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3: Well, now that we've flushed out. I think we got
to a really good point because we kind of flushed
out what makes America different? Yeah, right, what makes the
American different and what forces actually drive political and cultural realities.
And we used the other as a reference, but we
were talking about forces. So you're going to want to
identify what those forces are here in America because I
think that is going to shape where we're going. To
Thomas's point, America hasn't really had a chance to be
right wing yet, so that means whatever comes out of here,
because there is, you got to be fucking blind to
not notice that there is a very big zeitgeist shift
in American politics and that things are possible now from
the right wing perspective that were never possible before or
just even in the terms of dialogue. So whatever is
going to be new.
Speaker 1: I just said this to you guys, and you both,
I think instantly fucking agreed with me today. I think
it was I was like, guys, I think at this point,
I fucking hate the black pilling right wingers more than
I hate the fucking pro Zionists. They're because of what Stormy,
Because of what Stormy just said. You don't see that
we're on the cusp of something like at least the
Zionists are also fucking excited. And I know they think
part of it's because they're gonna get what they want
out of it, and maybe they will get some of
what they want.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: What they want to be in this.
Speaker 1: Well, what they want is a complete destruction of the
West and Christian civilization ultimately, but that'll take a long time.
But but to to be on the cusp of something
great and something new and different, because I mean, I'm old,
this never happened in my entire life. Thomas has said
this on the show more than one time. We're a
new territory, We're an uncharted territory. And to not perceive
that you're on the cusp of something different and great,
and to be like, nope, see told you fell for
it again every fucking time something happens, I just can't
look at it as anything other than petulance. And I'm
just sick of it.
Speaker 5: Well, it's because they think they think Trump is in charge.
Speaker 1: They don't see the big picture, they don't see the
full spectrum.
Speaker 2: They don't see, to put it.
Speaker 1: In your words, Pete, they're looking at it from a
materialist perspective, which.
Speaker 2: I don't think they think they are, but they are.
Speaker 3: M there's no more materialist groups of people than ostensibly
Christian people on the right wing.
Speaker 1: That's funny you say that, because I was gonna specifically
ask you if you thought exactly that.
Speaker 3: No. Yeah, I mean I hear all these guys talking
to me about like you know, Christian about and just
the way that they discribe ride things, the way they
engage with or try and make arguments. You're like, you
don't actually believe what you say you believe, because if
you actually believe that, none of that would make any sense.
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