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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini.

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<v Speaker 2>Cast with Megan from News Nation. She puts together the

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting, useful reports News Nation has. She should be

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<v Speaker 2>on the air more and they should pay her more. Megan,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you working on this week?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean say it, louder Walter.

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<v Speaker 2>But they should put her on more. They should put

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<v Speaker 2>her on more. I'll put reverb on it later. They

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<v Speaker 2>should put her on more, and they should pay her more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's what we're talking about. It's so good

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<v Speaker 1>to be back with you. You know. We are working

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<v Speaker 1>on a bunch of things. I just walked in the

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<v Speaker 1>door from the studio. I did two interviews today. I

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<v Speaker 1>did part two of our Scientology series. But it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting one that I'm going to bump up to

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode to air. Was this crazy story about

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein, Hugh Heffner, playmates and the sp It's like

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<v Speaker 1>that's the intersection, like that's the trifactor right there. But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently Playboy Playing has come forward saying she told Hugh

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<v Speaker 1>Hefner that Jeffrey Epstein had sexually assaulted her and then

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<v Speaker 1>trafficked her back in two thousand and four, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hester called the FBI, and she was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>heard him on the phone with the FBI. He reported it,

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<v Speaker 1>he did the right thing. They never followed up with me.

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<v Speaker 1>They never said anything. The case was never opened, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>ever happened. It went nowhere. So I talked today to

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<v Speaker 1>a former FBI agent, former CIA agent, and I asked

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<v Speaker 1>her to her face, Number one, what happened? Why would

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<v Speaker 1>they not take that seriously someone's high profile as Hugh

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<v Speaker 1>Hefner saying that. Secondly, why would they take it seriously

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<v Speaker 1>about Epstein? Because you know at that time they were

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<v Speaker 1>already building a case against him. You know, they had

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<v Speaker 1>a file on him. So if somebody at that high

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<v Speaker 1>profile would complain and make that call, you would think

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<v Speaker 1>they all up on it. So the big thing I

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<v Speaker 1>asked her straight to her face, was is the FBI corrupt?

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<v Speaker 2>And she said, well, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Said yes, But why she said yes? It is the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting part. You know, we got into the different layers

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<v Speaker 1>of one person could be and and you know, she asked,

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, what do you mean by that? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know what I mean is Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Jeffrey Epstein paying someone within the FBI, who was

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<v Speaker 1>on his payroll? Did he have blackmail on somebody? What

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<v Speaker 1>are the chances that this did get brought back straight

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<v Speaker 1>to him and then he somehow made it go away.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked about, you know, yes, that's possible, and

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's why. You know, not only was that his

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<v Speaker 1>mL blackmail being his his mL, but there's also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bad eggs in every organization and that then things can

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<v Speaker 1>go other ways. And she was like, there's also a

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<v Speaker 1>level to it of like maybe they didn't report or

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<v Speaker 1>fall up on it because they felt like Epstein, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI being they thought Epstein was more value to them

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<v Speaker 1>alive or not just alive, but not in jail and

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<v Speaker 1>not convicted because he had information possibly with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>international relations aspect of it, like hey, this country that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not too friendly with, he might find

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<v Speaker 1>out before us who our next president will be, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. So, you know, we talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>the victim, the accusations, the high profile of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the in are workings of the FBI and the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>and where they really dropped the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the long rumor is that the FBI and the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA do not coordinate on anything, and that may have

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<v Speaker 2>been the opportunity. That may have been the opportunity that

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<v Speaker 2>was lost. The thing that always strikes me about Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>is this was the busiest man who ever lived. There

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<v Speaker 2>were there are three million, three million emails, there's all

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<v Speaker 2>of this coordination. Half a billion dollars was just handed

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<v Speaker 2>to them by the guy who started the the limited.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the hell an extraordinarily busy guy without portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody on Wall Street says he did any transactions with

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<v Speaker 2>any firm that anybody knows of. So all of this

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<v Speaker 2>money came from G We're not sure it went to

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<v Speaker 2>scoreless activities and G We're not sure about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who got near him in the public eye has

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<v Speaker 2>been fired and banished like instantly the minute they were connected. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>there must be a roote assumption that he was doing

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<v Speaker 2>really bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he seems like the fall guy in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense. I mean, like you said, he was

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<v Speaker 1>the busiest man ever. Well, there had to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other people doing the dirty work and just

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<v Speaker 1>pushing him from ward as the face guy, and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff might just still be going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems likely ironically, there's always been a general belief that

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<v Speaker 2>at root, Hugh Hefner was an honest businessman. You've never

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<v Speaker 2>heard him about fraud, corruption, You haven't. You may not

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<v Speaker 2>have liked his business, but he was running a legal business.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that he picked up the phone and

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<v Speaker 2>called the FBI, well that tells you a lot about Hefner.

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<v Speaker 1>YEP, I totally agree, and we talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>that in the episode today because you know, had started

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<v Speaker 1>with I'm kind of alongs here about this story of

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Heffner, because before his death, I say, straight out

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<v Speaker 1>he was the man, right like, he did a legitimate business.

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<v Speaker 1>People wanted to be him. He had the man, he

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<v Speaker 1>had the girlfriends, he had all this stuff and it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was legitimate and he was the man. So

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<v Speaker 1>we all would he died, We're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>an icon has passed away. But since his pasting, all

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<v Speaker 1>these allegations have come out from former girlfriends x ex

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<v Speaker 1>wives about him not painting him in the best life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saying that the mansion was really an abusive

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<v Speaker 1>and controlled, the psychological, damaging place to be and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the quelus and the filming and all this stuff. Has

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<v Speaker 1>kind of come out that's kind of pain in him

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<v Speaker 1>in a bad light. So, you know, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that today about how do you reconcile these two different

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<v Speaker 1>images of this man that that we're seeing, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in reality, I mean, maybe it was just both. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he knew, like, hey, I'm going to protect one

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<v Speaker 1>of my playmates because she moved into the mansion. The

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<v Speaker 1>Abstein accused her in this scenario, she did move into

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<v Speaker 1>the Playboy mansion of course security purposes. So she felt

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<v Speaker 1>scared obviously, and she had her moved her in to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that she was safe. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was probably just both. But yeah, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that a lot because there's a lot of weird

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<v Speaker 1>parallels there.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you learn anything about part two of Scientology that

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<v Speaker 2>has caused you to be concerned?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm always concerned. You know I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>said to you before and I didn't say in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode today, I can't even believe I'm doing this series

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<v Speaker 1>because I said that I never wanted to really get

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<v Speaker 1>that was pientology. But the guests who I talked to,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he those of them every single day. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a great sum stack and these written books, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's covering all the trials and stuff. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we really talked about the inner workings of how Scientology

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<v Speaker 1>beat the irs and how they caught tax rexemption status

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<v Speaker 1>after it was revoked from them in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>And it really is like government espionage style tactics here

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<v Speaker 1>that they used to, you know, breach hundreds of US

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<v Speaker 1>government offices, confiscate thousands of confidential documents to really get

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<v Speaker 1>their tax exemption status back. So we really talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of the inner workings of the Scientology playbook

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<v Speaker 1>of retaliation, and you know, we really give the celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of it about, you know, why these celebrities are

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<v Speaker 1>useful to them, and the Danny Masterson's case, the that

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<v Speaker 1>Semi show actor who is behind bars for sexual being

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of sexual assaults of multiple women, and why they

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<v Speaker 1>were having you know, Lisa Marie Presley talked to the

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<v Speaker 1>victims about not coming forward, just kind of the weird

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<v Speaker 1>sense or stuff that goes on behind the scenes that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody in the media really talks about, because well, one,

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<v Speaker 1>there you're intimidated by the retaliation effects of efforts by Scientology,

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<v Speaker 1>or two you just don't really think it's a story

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<v Speaker 1>because it's past. But that's not true because Scientology is

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<v Speaker 1>fighting today right now to get that sect of Enter

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Maxson out of jail, and they're also in court

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<v Speaker 1>right now is Lea Ramini bashing her and shaming her.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot going on there that people might

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<v Speaker 1>not think is timely or something to be talked about

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<v Speaker 1>right now in the news. But there's a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 2>When is this getting on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week? We'll do so Wednesday, whatever that date is,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the twenty sixth, you know, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>calendar goes. Next Wednesday we will do the Playboy Ebscene

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<v Speaker 1>Accusations episode with Hugh Hefner, and in the following week

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<v Speaker 1>we will start this series on Scientology.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, good luck with those kids. I appreciate you being

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of Midnight