WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:09.359 of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. 3 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.240 The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things 4 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:22.000 that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my 5 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.600 head lights on, it turned and looked at us. 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.559 And one of the things I remember the most, where 7 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:28.760 the eyes were going red. 8 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:33.399 I see an orb of light. 9 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.039 It is just circling these steps. 10 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:37.960 Like it is waiting for me. 11 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. 12 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.560 They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven 13 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.640 foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's 14 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:55.359 where I saw. 15 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.000 The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. 16 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.520 As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. 17 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.399 It don't like death. 18 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.879 I like to thick this sign and welcome my guest tonight, Tim, Tim, 19 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:10.280 thanks for coming here talking to me. 20 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:13.359 Oh hey, no problem. It's great to have at you 21 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:14.120 know beyond. 22 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.120 Would you like to let the audience know a little 23 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.000 bit about yourself before we dive into it. 24 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:25.359 And I'm Tim Vogel. I'm from Western mass Uh work 25 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.200 with my brother and we're the Vocal Brothers, and we've 26 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:32.879 been doing research for about twenty years just under twenty years. 27 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.760 I have a long history with working with different groups 28 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:41.799 Bfro Squatsachusetts, things like that, and we've since gone off 29 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.200 on our own, started the Vocal Brothers and a business 30 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:51.400 called the Cobble Mountain Tritter Project and that's our basically 31 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:57.560 a youth outdoor education program that we provide and we've 32 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.959 been researching, like I said, for about twenty years. 33 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.840 What led you down this path? Like what happened that 34 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.799 one you made you go into research and all those. 35 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:14.240 It goes back to, well, our actual thing was twenty 36 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:19.400 thirteen we had an encounter. We believe it was an 37 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.439 encounter anyway. We were out in New York. We owned 38 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:29.159 a business called Taco Mountain Outdoors Adventure Education Business and 39 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.120 we were out canoeing and kayaking and taking groups out 40 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:38.639 for the summer. And this happened to be in September. 41 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.439 We were going on vacation. So we went up to 42 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:44.560 this place in the Saint Regis Wilderness Canoe area up 43 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:49.879 in New York, up in the Irondecks, and we decided 44 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.960 to grow up in September simply or late September, because 45 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.680 school was in it was midweek, college was you know 46 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.400 kind of it was just you know, the beginning of college. 47 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.400 There's some of the groups that were out there paddling 48 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.840 things like that. So everything, you know, the I guess 49 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.639 the woods, I guess what I'm saying, was pretty quiet 50 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.000 at that time of the year and during the week. 51 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.599 And we paddled out to this one place probably a 52 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:24.479 couple of days, and uh it was a a remote 53 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.919 pond called Pink Pond and there's one campsite on it. 54 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:34.479 And from there we simply, uh went into this campsite. 55 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.719 We paddled up. We found the campsite is a little 56 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.520 marker on a tree. It's a small pond. It's a 57 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.960 remote out in uh, you know, New York State. And 58 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:45.599 we took a long way to get there. So it 59 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:47.719 was a couple of days of paddle and portage to 60 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.919 get to this place. So long story short, we get 61 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:55.479 to our campsite and it's trashed, is you know, which 62 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.400 is unusual for most of the campsites up there. This 63 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.520 place is trash. There's tree he's broken everywhere. It's just 64 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.639 not a very you know, inviting place to go and 65 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:10.759 set up camp. Had a crappy shoreline and you know, 66 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.520 getting out of a canoe and eight feet of water 67 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.519 right off the edge is pretty tough. So we we 68 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.600 get to this place, which we didn't think anything of it. It 69 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.759 was just trash. We figure it was windfall damage something, 70 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.439 you know, So we just cleaned it up, made made 71 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:31.079 it room for our tents and campfire, and and so 72 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:35.480 we set up a camp and from there went to 73 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:40.480 go fishing for dinner. And when we went fishing, my 74 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.160 brother Eric was in the front. He's, you know, got 75 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.879 a fly rod, and we had been tying a bunch 76 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.639 of wooly buggers and things like that. So we're out 77 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.680 there fishing and literally it becomes a fish story after that. 78 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.120 You know, every cast as a fish now. But we 79 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.600 get up to this small inlet creek coming down into 80 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.680 the into ping pond, and we go up this little 81 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.639 stream and it becomes braided with a bunch of little, 82 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.839 you know, choices of go right left, you know, this way, 83 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.600 that way. There was a braided stream for a little bit. 84 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.519 We just followed it up until it came back to 85 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:24.000 a small beaver pond, and we literally paddled right up 86 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.399 next to a beaver dam. And I'm sitting in the 87 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.600 canoe and I'm head level looking at the top of 88 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.199 the beaver pond at the beaver dam, so it's four 89 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:39.800 or five feet deep anyway, and and my brother gave 90 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:43.319 me the cat. We got the fly rod, and I 91 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.079 started fishing up on top of the beaver dam, over 92 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.360 the dam and into the other side where we couldn't access, 93 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:51.639 and I got one cast in there, and we got 94 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.120 ahead and pulled that thing out of three pounds small 95 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.600 and that thing that jumped out of the water is 96 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.279 dancing all over the place making a rocks. And got 97 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.720 it into the boat, and then all of a sudden, 98 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:07.959 these trees started shaking, or one tree started shaking. There's 99 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.759 just this big, massive tree, and you know, the whole 100 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.720 forest is quiet, and this one tree is shaken like hell. 101 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.600 And moments later, the second tree right next to it 102 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.920 is shaking. So we get these two large trees shaking 103 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:26.000 like they're in a snow globe. Like. It's very surreal 104 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.079 to see that kind of shaking going on. And what 105 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.319 we were looking at, the entire force is quiet, you know, 106 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:37.199 nothing going on, and these two trees are just going off. 107 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:41.279 And then all of a sudden, this roaring, growling, roaring 108 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.839 starts up, and it was just intense. We just never 109 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.920 had heard anything like that before. You know, It's like, 110 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:52.399 what the heck is this? So we're kind of, you know, 111 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:55.000 a little freaked out over that and trying to figure 112 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.040 out what it was. And as we were sitting there, 113 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:03.160 this thing just kept All we're looking at is like 114 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.279 things coming out at the water at us. Nothing came 115 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.199 over the beaver pond, you know, over the dam at us, 116 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.920 but it did go into the pond. Whether it was sticks, rocks, 117 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.759 it was you know, we were about fifty yards away, 118 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.000 couldn't really tell some of the objects, but certainly there 119 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.120 were sticks and whatnot. And then whether they were being 120 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.240 thrown or coming out from the shaking trees, couldn't really 121 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:31.279 tell you. But the roaring, the roaring was incredible. It was, 122 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.120 I don't know, just something you've never heard before at all. 123 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.279 And it was getting more aggressive. And we're sitting here 124 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.839 now going on a good five six minutes and this 125 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.720 thing is just rowing and we're waiting for it to 126 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:48.800 come out. We're thinking maybe it might be a bear 127 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.040 or something, or mount wiring or maybe a bear in 128 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:55.639 a mountain lion fighting. We had no blue. All we 129 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.759 knew was these trees were shaking still and there was 130 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:04.360 this loud, loud roar, and it hasn't stopped now in 131 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:09.639 five going on maybe ten minutes. So this this roaring 132 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:14.040 is so aggressive. Now that we've actually moved back through 133 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.600 the braided area of the stream to the to the pond, 134 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:22.279 we're back into the pond almost I don't know, probably 135 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.720 going on a quarter of a mile away now maybe, 136 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.879 And all of a sudden, you know, we get out 137 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.000 in the pond and this thing is still roaring and 138 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:36.159 growling and yelling, and trees are still shaking, and then 139 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.279 it stopped, maybe ten fifteen minutes later. This whole thing 140 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.720 was going on, and then and then as soon as 141 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:47.039 we got away far enough, the noise stopped, just like that, 142 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:51.320 just as quick as it started, it stopped. And so 143 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.200 we're kind of freaked out. We don't know what to do, 144 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.120 you know, we're we're in the middle of nowhere. You 145 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:01.200 can't you know, run to your truck and get home, 146 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.960 you know, go home or something. You're in a canoe 147 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.000 in the middle of the lake and you were just 148 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.559 fishing for dinner, and all of a sudden that happened, 149 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.440 and this went out for like I said, fifteen minutes. 150 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.120 The roaring. Never stopped. It never actually physically stopped. It 151 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:23.279 roared continuously for a minimum of ten, maybe fifteen minutes. 152 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.960 That's why I think there was maybe two things there, 153 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:29.759 whether it was a big foot or whatever that was 154 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:33.200 making those noises. At that time, we weren't even thinking 155 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.440 a big foot, to be honest, I was thinking of, 156 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.639 you know, like I said, a bearing them outline having 157 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:44.240 a fight or something. But so anyway, we're sitting there 158 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.799 in the canoe and wondering what the heck we're going 159 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.879 to do, and Eric says, you know, he says, yeah, 160 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.879 I know, and he said, yeah, we got to get 161 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.799 back there, and we're Our campsite was literally only a 162 00:09:55.799 --> 00:10:00.320 couple of hundred yards from where this experience happened at 163 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:04.279 this confluence down to where our campsite was, so it 164 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.879 was pretty unnerving. We're staying there, have that experience, get 165 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.799 back to our campsite, and then prep for a night. 166 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.960 And it was, you know, it was a long, quiet night. 167 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.159 Didn't really talk about it, kind of freaked out about it, 168 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.320 but you know, it didn't nothing happened, So it was 169 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.159 a nothing burger. I guess. It's just a pretty weird 170 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:29.240 thing that we couldn't explain, and and uh, we got 171 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.200 up that morning and got the heck out of there 172 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.159 as simple as that that. That was it. We got 173 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.679 out of there, We paddled back out and got to 174 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:40.600 our truck, you know, got our gear back in and 175 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:46.879 came home. That was it. So from there, uh, you 176 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.120 know that that was pretty much how how we got 177 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.840 into it. We had an experience that we couldn't explain. 178 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:58.559 You know. Meanwhile, we've had a business called to Cole 179 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.600 Mountain Outdoors for at this point ten fifteen years that 180 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.200 we have been guiding in this area. We're licensed New 181 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.480 York guides at this time. We've been guiding this time 182 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.039 in this area for years, ten to fifteen years and 183 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:17.159 never had an experience like anything like that, And it 184 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.879 just happened to be this one day. So, you know, 185 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:27.679 the we finally find Facebook and all that stuff and 186 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:35.639 there's and so we kind of figured out how to 187 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:40.080 use Facebook and heard some more stories that were similar 188 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:47.480 to ours, and from there literally found similar stories and 189 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.639 that's kind of where we went from that, and that's 190 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.159 kind of how we got into all this stuff. We 191 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.480 started sharing our story with other people, and they started 192 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:59.200 sharing their story with us. Next thing, you know, that 193 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:03.080 was it. You know what we could tell you is, 194 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.320 you know, I'm a full time ranger at a camp 195 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.039 and that's what I do full time, and I'm a 196 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.080 license guide and so is an all. And you know, 197 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.240 I could tell you every animal it wasn't, but I'm 198 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.799 fairly certain it was a big foot and I'm thinking 199 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.960 it was maybe two of them, maybe more, And they 200 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.200 were there for the very same reasons we were there fishing. 201 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.720 We happened to paddle right up to a beaver pond 202 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.440 and it was a small narrow stream that fed that 203 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:40.879 beaver damn, you know, created the pond. And I think 204 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:44.399 if there were two or three in there fishing, you know, 205 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.120 pushing fish down the stream into that collect all of 206 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:51.399 this beaver pond. You know, they've created a pool of food, 207 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.039 and we just you know, they gave us a free 208 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.120 pass all the way up until I caught that fish 209 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.799 up in their section, and then I'll help out loose. 210 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:04.240 So you evaded their territory, I think. 211 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.440 So, yeah, that's kind of Monday morning quarterback in this 212 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.960 whole you know story. I think I think that's what happened. 213 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.120 Now, Thus she said, was the first time you've had 214 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.720 an experience, Was there any more that you've had since then? 215 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.240 Or has this kind of been the only real one 216 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:23.200 that stands out? 217 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.360 Oh? No, No. And that's funny because you know, most 218 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.919 people that have multiple experiences, you know, they oh my god, 219 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:34.279 they're you know, they're either making it up or or 220 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.480 lying or this or that or whatever. And I would 221 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.960 tend to agree. But having said that, you know, we 222 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:46.559 started back in twenty thirteen and we got involved very 223 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:52.240 quickly with a group called Squatachusetts and ended up out 224 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:57.159 in Ohio at the big Foot Conference. In fact, that's 225 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:02.320 happening this weekend, the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, all those guys 226 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:06.039 out there, and we happened to meet, you know, a 227 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.320 whole bunch of folks, had dinner with Bob Gimlin, and 228 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:13.399 so you know, from the very oddset, you know, going 229 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.480 into big footing, we we kind of had this really 230 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:23.320 cool experience, and then we started working more with different groups, 231 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.759 and then we got involved with the BFRO and started 232 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:32.039 investigating in Massachusetts with those guys, and you know, there 233 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:33.960 was a number of stories there or a number of 234 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.759 reports that we had done for the BFRORO. And then 235 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.120 we've gotten out of the Bfroro. Since then, we've done 236 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.919 the Vogel Brothers and you know, we do our own 237 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:51.519 We do our own kind of promotion to do. We 238 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:55.240 talk at libraries, we'll do conference festivals, things like that. 239 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:59.000 We're also running here locally. We're doing the Cobble Mountain 240 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:04.120 Critter Festival June seventh. So you know, this, this whole 241 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:09.159 the Vogel Brothers things turned into a nonprofit or no 242 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:12.840 nonprofit a well soon to be. The Cobble Mountain Critter 243 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:16.879 Project is basically a youth outdoor education where we talk 244 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:21.679 about our big footing experiences and you know, whatever funds 245 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:26.120 we gather from that goes into you know, we we 246 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.559 like arbor date planting trees, giving kids, school kids trees 247 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.799 to take home and plant. After the festival, depending on 248 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.080 funds what we get, we'll be sending kids to camp, 249 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.399 different activities, different outdoor educational things. You know, the more 250 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.919 we can, you know, the more we'll make, the more 251 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:47.200 we'll put into outdoor education. That's what the whole festival 252 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.840 and the Cobble Mountain Critter Project is about. So that's 253 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.519 kind of where this whole thing has taken us. So 254 00:15:55.200 --> 00:16:00.600 through that we've had uh multiple experience. It is ex 255 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:05.720 you know, for different people in different groups. We've had 256 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.559 we've run a couple of BFRO expeditions right here out 257 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:18.559 of our camp. Each and and the uh you know 258 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.200 right here, we've we've done the expeditions and we've had 259 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.120 Class A sidings right here in Massachusetts, numerous ones. My 260 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.559 brothers had. If he was here, he'd be telling you 261 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.120 this is you know, his experience was in two thousand 262 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.399 and sixteen and up in Savoy State Forest where he 263 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.559 was forty yards away and there was you know, a 264 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:52.200 dozen or so people and that that's you know, one 265 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.279 of those things where there was a half a dozen witnesses. 266 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.360 There were two people that had seen it, and you know, 267 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:04.319 then we went out into October Mountain and another expedition. 268 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.119 October Mountain is kind of where we live. We're out 269 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:13.119 here in western Massachusetts and we've had a number of 270 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:19.359 encounters out there. Twenty sixteen. In twenty eighteen, we had 271 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:24.759 expeditions where we had seen a bigfoot through a flare 272 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:29.920 that was about one hundred yards away. There was a 273 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.599 dozen people with us at that point. It was the 274 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.680 first time we'd ever seen it, or well seen it 275 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.359 with a flare. That was a first, and then it 276 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:46.279 was it was raining, so it was about one hundred 277 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.160 yards away and it was very hard to see through 278 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.880 the flares, but you could see it pacing back and 279 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.839 forth on. This turned out to be a long log 280 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:59.400 and the there was also a smell with it. I 281 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.559 wanted the guys in the group chuck. He said that, 282 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.319 you know, hey, guys, did you guys happen to smell 283 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.000 this over? You know, smell this and then all of 284 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.839 a sudden, you know, we started paying attention and you 285 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:16.039 could actually smell what would you know, typically be uh old, 286 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.440 I'm not going to say skunk, cabbage, but old socks, 287 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:23.440 old wet bag, you know. Combine all these odors with 288 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.079 a wet dog, you know, and a you know, maybe 289 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.599 a deer high that's been sitting out, you know, something 290 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.200 to that effect. You know, kind of must be Yeah, 291 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.759 you know, I didn't smell death or putrid or any 292 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.279 of that stuff. It was very earthy. If you've been 293 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.680 around wet wild animals, skinning, cleaning, any of that stuff, 294 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:50.720 it's a it's an order you would recognize, and if 295 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.160 you didn't see it, you would smell it and you 296 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.400 would recognize it as a hunter. If you'd smell these 297 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.240 wild animals before, if you've been close enough to it, 298 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.400 you'd smell it. And when they say, oh, I was 299 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.920 close enough to smell it, well, yeah, you can actually 300 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.039 do that. But having said that, this was one hundred 301 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:13.799 yards away and we could potentially smell it. And so anyways, 302 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:17.079 we're sitting there now, well maybe half a dozen of 303 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.279 us have fleers, I think at the time. We have 304 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:24.119 the scout it's called a TK scout goes about one 305 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.240 hundred yards and we were really taxing it in the rain, 306 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.720 and so we're all watching it, you know, and now 307 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:34.440 we can smell it. And this thing is pacing back 308 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:38.079 and forth on a log and it literally goes you know, 309 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.839 by ten feet, goes back and it comes out twenty feet, 310 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.680 goes back the it's thirty forty to fifty and it's 311 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.759 pacing each time it goes and turns out, you know, 312 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.680 because we went back the following day. It turns out 313 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.240 there was an ash tree that had fallen and it 314 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.839 was about ninety foot, you know, trump just as straight 315 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.519 as could be. And when it had fallen, it gave 316 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.759 this thing a half way to walk, and it looked 317 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.519 like it was floating through the tall swamp grass, but 318 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.519 it was literally walking on this log, which made it 319 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.480 look probably even higher than it was. Uh So we're 320 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:15.960 sitting there and so we've seen it on the floor. 321 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:20.079 Now we're smelling this thing and we're all talking about it. 322 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:22.880 We can't believe it. Finally somebody says, hey, did somebody 323 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.960 record it? And it was like here in the headlights, 324 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.240 no one's recording it. We're all talking about it, looking 325 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:32.160 at it, and no one's hitting record. Finally, only you know, 326 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.079 I probably everybody hit record, but it was way too late. 327 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.559 There was there was a couple of seconds that was 328 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:45.880 actually recorded that turned into garbage because it was just 329 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.480 two pixelated simple as that. It's too far away the rain, 330 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.559 and it was you know, it was great, it's it's 331 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.799 it's a great unit, you know, for doing what it 332 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.000 was doing. But we were taxing it and taking it 333 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:02.720 to the limit, and it's just one of those things. 334 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:06.200 So we didn't get a good video of it. Although 335 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:09.319 we were watching it through the through the flore so 336 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:13.599 it made it a little better, but it didn't record. 337 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:20.559 So we're sitting there watching this thing pace back and forth, 338 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.440 and finally you know, we don't know this at the time. 339 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:27.200 This is one o'clock in the morning at Felton Pond 340 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:31.000 in October Mountain State Forest, and it's kind of rainy, 341 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:34.480 drizzly out and like I said, it's it's early morning. 342 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:40.279 Now to something like that, it's late. And so this 343 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.599 thing is pacing. It gets to the end of the 344 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.039 pacing and it just looks like it jumps down and 345 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.359 walks off and disappears. And that's to the extent that 346 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.720 you know, that was it. Well, okay, guys, we're all 347 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.359 looking and no one sees anything, so we figured that 348 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:57.319 was it. It just ran off in the woods and 349 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.960 took off because we couldn't see anything, no heat, you know, 350 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:06.000 a heat signature on the flare. And so we're kind of, 351 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:11.720 you know, discussing what we had all experienced, and it's 352 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.880 kind of wrapping it up, and all of a sudden, 353 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.440 before we wrapped it up, literally, you know, at the 354 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.599 end of what we what I call the peninsula, and 355 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.000 it's really not a peninsula, it's a round pond, but 356 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.759 at the angle we were standing at, there's like a 357 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:31.880 small portion that kind of juts out like a peninsula, 358 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.359 I guess, and there's a pine tree, a white pine 359 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:38.480 at the very end of this small peninsula, and it 360 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:45.079 h this this thing, whatever happened, was this great big ball, 361 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:49.000 like an orb for lack of better term. And I 362 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.200 don't know what an orb looks like, but I guess 363 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:54.559 this is what it is. It's it was a crystal 364 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:59.720 blue in color, and it was it wasn't emitting light, 365 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:02.440 you know, like a flashlight. It was just kind of 366 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.200 a ball of light and it didn't it was just 367 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:11.000 kind of weird, like a glowing ball. And it popped 368 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.920 on in the middle of the night at about fifty 369 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.880 feet on this one hundred and twenty one hundred and 370 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.680 foot you know pine tree. So halfway up this pine tree, 371 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:24.759 this blue light pops on. There it is and it's 372 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.279 bigger than a you know, a beach ball. It's I 373 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:29.640 don't know, bigger than a beach ball, I can tell 374 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:34.160 you that. And all of a sudden it just starts 375 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.440 this is fifty feet up and it starts going up 376 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:42.200 the pine tree, and it goes straight up the trunk 377 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.839 and there's all kinds of branches there, but this thing 378 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.680 is going straight up right through the branches, right up 379 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.720 to the very top of the tree and it's just slow. 380 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.400 We're watching, you know, you can count one, two, three, 381 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:58.759 or you know, we're watching this, and this thing goes 382 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.319 to the top of the tree and it goes up 383 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.119 just a little bit past the trees, and then it 384 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.519 starts to traverse to my right, and I guess we 385 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:13.599 could count it maybe four seconds and then it was gone. 386 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:17.039 Just as quick as it popped on it disappeared. So 387 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:20.640 that was you know, that was just weird. That was 388 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:25.000 just weird. And in fact, when Eric had seen his 389 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:30.359 bigfoots out in Savoy during I think it was twenty sixteen, 390 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:38.000 they had experienced an orb in the camp here and 391 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.799 it was an orange orb. So there's been two visuals, 392 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:47.599 multiple sightings, multiple people witnessing it, and there's been orbs involved, 393 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.759 and it's been raining. So I don't know if those 394 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:54.160 are coincidences. I have no idea, but I can tell 395 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.880 you they all happened at the same time, within the 396 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:01.640 same story. The rain, the bigfoot. You know, we actually 397 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.359 had the smell this time in October Mountain, multiple witnesses, 398 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.240 so you know, it wasn't just you know, you know, 399 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:12.599 he says, you know, kind of a story. There's a 400 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.920 whole expedition team went. So we've been very fortunate here 401 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:23.839