Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 1: that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my
Speaker 1: head lights on, it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 2: the eyes were going red.
Speaker 1: I see an orb of light.
Speaker 2: It is just circling these steps.
Speaker 3: Like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
Speaker 1: foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's
Speaker 1: where I saw.
Speaker 2: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.
Speaker 1: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.
Speaker 1: It don't like death.
Speaker 2: I like to thick this sign and welcome my guest tonight, Tim, Tim,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming here talking to me.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, no problem. It's great to have at you
Speaker 1: know beyond.
Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 2: bit about yourself before we dive into it.
Speaker 1: And I'm Tim Vogel. I'm from Western mass Uh work
Speaker 1: with my brother and we're the Vocal Brothers, and we've
Speaker 1: been doing research for about twenty years just under twenty years.
Speaker 1: I have a long history with working with different groups
Speaker 1: Bfro Squatsachusetts, things like that, and we've since gone off
Speaker 1: on our own, started the Vocal Brothers and a business
Speaker 1: called the Cobble Mountain Tritter Project and that's our basically
Speaker 1: a youth outdoor education program that we provide and we've
Speaker 1: been researching, like I said, for about twenty years.
Speaker 2: What led you down this path? Like what happened that
Speaker 2: one you made you go into research and all those.
Speaker 1: It goes back to, well, our actual thing was twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen we had an encounter. We believe it was an
Speaker 1: encounter anyway. We were out in New York. We owned
Speaker 1: a business called Taco Mountain Outdoors Adventure Education Business and
Speaker 1: we were out canoeing and kayaking and taking groups out
Speaker 1: for the summer. And this happened to be in September.
Speaker 1: We were going on vacation. So we went up to
Speaker 1: this place in the Saint Regis Wilderness Canoe area up
Speaker 1: in New York, up in the Irondecks, and we decided
Speaker 1: to grow up in September simply or late September, because
Speaker 1: school was in it was midweek, college was you know
Speaker 1: kind of it was just you know, the beginning of college.
Speaker 1: There's some of the groups that were out there paddling
Speaker 1: things like that. So everything, you know, the I guess
Speaker 1: the woods, I guess what I'm saying, was pretty quiet
Speaker 1: at that time of the year and during the week.
Speaker 1: And we paddled out to this one place probably a
Speaker 1: couple of days, and uh it was a a remote
Speaker 1: pond called Pink Pond and there's one campsite on it.
Speaker 1: And from there we simply, uh went into this campsite.
Speaker 1: We paddled up. We found the campsite is a little
Speaker 1: marker on a tree. It's a small pond. It's a
Speaker 1: remote out in uh, you know, New York State. And
Speaker 1: we took a long way to get there. So it
Speaker 1: was a couple of days of paddle and portage to
Speaker 1: get to this place. So long story short, we get
Speaker 1: to our campsite and it's trashed, is you know, which
Speaker 1: is unusual for most of the campsites up there. This
Speaker 1: place is trash. There's tree he's broken everywhere. It's just
Speaker 1: not a very you know, inviting place to go and
Speaker 1: set up camp. Had a crappy shoreline and you know,
Speaker 1: getting out of a canoe and eight feet of water
Speaker 1: right off the edge is pretty tough. So we we
Speaker 1: get to this place, which we didn't think anything of it. It
Speaker 1: was just trash. We figure it was windfall damage something,
Speaker 1: you know, So we just cleaned it up, made made
Speaker 1: it room for our tents and campfire, and and so
Speaker 1: we set up a camp and from there went to
Speaker 1: go fishing for dinner. And when we went fishing, my
Speaker 1: brother Eric was in the front. He's, you know, got
Speaker 1: a fly rod, and we had been tying a bunch
Speaker 1: of wooly buggers and things like that. So we're out
Speaker 1: there fishing and literally it becomes a fish story after that.
Speaker 1: You know, every cast as a fish now. But we
Speaker 1: get up to this small inlet creek coming down into
Speaker 1: the into ping pond, and we go up this little
Speaker 1: stream and it becomes braided with a bunch of little,
Speaker 1: you know, choices of go right left, you know, this way,
Speaker 1: that way. There was a braided stream for a little bit.
Speaker 1: We just followed it up until it came back to
Speaker 1: a small beaver pond, and we literally paddled right up
Speaker 1: next to a beaver dam. And I'm sitting in the
Speaker 1: canoe and I'm head level looking at the top of
Speaker 1: the beaver pond at the beaver dam, so it's four
Speaker 1: or five feet deep anyway, and and my brother gave
Speaker 1: me the cat. We got the fly rod, and I
Speaker 1: started fishing up on top of the beaver dam, over
Speaker 1: the dam and into the other side where we couldn't access,
Speaker 1: and I got one cast in there, and we got
Speaker 1: ahead and pulled that thing out of three pounds small
Speaker 1: and that thing that jumped out of the water is
Speaker 1: dancing all over the place making a rocks. And got
Speaker 1: it into the boat, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these trees started shaking, or one tree started shaking. There's
Speaker 1: just this big, massive tree, and you know, the whole
Speaker 1: forest is quiet, and this one tree is shaken like hell.
Speaker 1: And moments later, the second tree right next to it
Speaker 1: is shaking. So we get these two large trees shaking
Speaker 1: like they're in a snow globe. Like. It's very surreal
Speaker 1: to see that kind of shaking going on. And what
Speaker 1: we were looking at, the entire force is quiet, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing going on, and these two trees are just going off.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, this roaring, growling, roaring
Speaker 1: starts up, and it was just intense. We just never
Speaker 1: had heard anything like that before. You know, It's like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is this? So we're kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: a little freaked out over that and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what it was. And as we were sitting there,
Speaker 1: this thing just kept All we're looking at is like
Speaker 1: things coming out at the water at us. Nothing came
Speaker 1: over the beaver pond, you know, over the dam at us,
Speaker 1: but it did go into the pond. Whether it was sticks, rocks,
Speaker 1: it was you know, we were about fifty yards away,
Speaker 1: couldn't really tell some of the objects, but certainly there
Speaker 1: were sticks and whatnot. And then whether they were being
Speaker 1: thrown or coming out from the shaking trees, couldn't really
Speaker 1: tell you. But the roaring, the roaring was incredible. It was,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just something you've never heard before at all.
Speaker 1: And it was getting more aggressive. And we're sitting here
Speaker 1: now going on a good five six minutes and this
Speaker 1: thing is just rowing and we're waiting for it to
Speaker 1: come out. We're thinking maybe it might be a bear
Speaker 1: or something, or mount wiring or maybe a bear in
Speaker 1: a mountain lion fighting. We had no blue. All we
Speaker 1: knew was these trees were shaking still and there was
Speaker 1: this loud, loud roar, and it hasn't stopped now in
Speaker 1: five going on maybe ten minutes. So this this roaring
Speaker 1: is so aggressive. Now that we've actually moved back through
Speaker 1: the braided area of the stream to the to the pond,
Speaker 1: we're back into the pond almost I don't know, probably
Speaker 1: going on a quarter of a mile away now maybe,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you know, we get out
Speaker 1: in the pond and this thing is still roaring and
Speaker 1: growling and yelling, and trees are still shaking, and then
Speaker 1: it stopped, maybe ten fifteen minutes later. This whole thing
Speaker 1: was going on, and then and then as soon as
Speaker 1: we got away far enough, the noise stopped, just like that,
Speaker 1: just as quick as it started, it stopped. And so
Speaker 1: we're kind of freaked out. We don't know what to do,
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're in the middle of nowhere. You
Speaker 1: can't you know, run to your truck and get home,
Speaker 1: you know, go home or something. You're in a canoe
Speaker 1: in the middle of the lake and you were just
Speaker 1: fishing for dinner, and all of a sudden that happened,
Speaker 1: and this went out for like I said, fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: The roaring. Never stopped. It never actually physically stopped. It
Speaker 1: roared continuously for a minimum of ten, maybe fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: That's why I think there was maybe two things there,
Speaker 1: whether it was a big foot or whatever that was
Speaker 1: making those noises. At that time, we weren't even thinking
Speaker 1: a big foot, to be honest, I was thinking of,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, a bearing them outline having
Speaker 1: a fight or something. But so anyway, we're sitting there
Speaker 1: in the canoe and wondering what the heck we're going
Speaker 1: to do, and Eric says, you know, he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, and he said, yeah, we got to get
Speaker 1: back there, and we're Our campsite was literally only a
Speaker 1: couple of hundred yards from where this experience happened at
Speaker 1: this confluence down to where our campsite was, so it
Speaker 1: was pretty unnerving. We're staying there, have that experience, get
Speaker 1: back to our campsite, and then prep for a night.
Speaker 1: And it was, you know, it was a long, quiet night.
Speaker 1: Didn't really talk about it, kind of freaked out about it,
Speaker 1: but you know, it didn't nothing happened, So it was
Speaker 1: a nothing burger. I guess. It's just a pretty weird
Speaker 1: thing that we couldn't explain, and and uh, we got
Speaker 1: up that morning and got the heck out of there
Speaker 1: as simple as that that. That was it. We got
Speaker 1: out of there, We paddled back out and got to
Speaker 1: our truck, you know, got our gear back in and
Speaker 1: came home. That was it. So from there, uh, you
Speaker 1: know that that was pretty much how how we got
Speaker 1: into it. We had an experience that we couldn't explain.
Speaker 1: You know. Meanwhile, we've had a business called to Cole
Speaker 1: Mountain Outdoors for at this point ten fifteen years that
Speaker 1: we have been guiding in this area. We're licensed New
Speaker 1: York guides at this time. We've been guiding this time
Speaker 1: in this area for years, ten to fifteen years and
Speaker 1: never had an experience like anything like that, And it
Speaker 1: just happened to be this one day. So, you know,
Speaker 1: the we finally find Facebook and all that stuff and
Speaker 1: there's and so we kind of figured out how to
Speaker 1: use Facebook and heard some more stories that were similar
Speaker 1: to ours, and from there literally found similar stories and
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we went from that, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of how we got into all this stuff. We
Speaker 1: started sharing our story with other people, and they started
Speaker 1: sharing their story with us. Next thing, you know, that
Speaker 1: was it. You know what we could tell you is,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a full time ranger at a camp
Speaker 1: and that's what I do full time, and I'm a
Speaker 1: license guide and so is an all. And you know,
Speaker 1: I could tell you every animal it wasn't, but I'm
Speaker 1: fairly certain it was a big foot and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it was maybe two of them, maybe more, And they
Speaker 1: were there for the very same reasons we were there fishing.
Speaker 1: We happened to paddle right up to a beaver pond
Speaker 1: and it was a small narrow stream that fed that
Speaker 1: beaver damn, you know, created the pond. And I think
Speaker 1: if there were two or three in there fishing, you know,
Speaker 1: pushing fish down the stream into that collect all of
Speaker 1: this beaver pond. You know, they've created a pool of food,
Speaker 1: and we just you know, they gave us a free
Speaker 1: pass all the way up until I caught that fish
Speaker 1: up in their section, and then I'll help out loose.
Speaker 2: So you evaded their territory, I think.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's kind of Monday morning quarterback in this
Speaker 1: whole you know story. I think I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Now, Thus she said, was the first time you've had
Speaker 2: an experience, Was there any more that you've had since then?
Speaker 2: Or has this kind of been the only real one
Speaker 2: that stands out?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, No. And that's funny because you know, most
Speaker 1: people that have multiple experiences, you know, they oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're either making it up or or
Speaker 1: lying or this or that or whatever. And I would
Speaker 1: tend to agree. But having said that, you know, we
Speaker 1: started back in twenty thirteen and we got involved very
Speaker 1: quickly with a group called Squatachusetts and ended up out
Speaker 1: in Ohio at the big Foot Conference. In fact, that's
Speaker 1: happening this weekend, the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, all those guys
Speaker 1: out there, and we happened to meet, you know, a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of folks, had dinner with Bob Gimlin, and
Speaker 1: so you know, from the very oddset, you know, going
Speaker 1: into big footing, we we kind of had this really
Speaker 1: cool experience, and then we started working more with different groups,
Speaker 1: and then we got involved with the BFRO and started
Speaker 1: investigating in Massachusetts with those guys, and you know, there
Speaker 1: was a number of stories there or a number of
Speaker 1: reports that we had done for the BFRORO. And then
Speaker 1: we've gotten out of the Bfroro. Since then, we've done
Speaker 1: the Vogel Brothers and you know, we do our own
Speaker 1: We do our own kind of promotion to do. We
Speaker 1: talk at libraries, we'll do conference festivals, things like that.
Speaker 1: We're also running here locally. We're doing the Cobble Mountain
Speaker 1: Critter Festival June seventh. So you know, this, this whole
Speaker 1: the Vogel Brothers things turned into a nonprofit or no
Speaker 1: nonprofit a well soon to be. The Cobble Mountain Critter
Speaker 1: Project is basically a youth outdoor education where we talk
Speaker 1: about our big footing experiences and you know, whatever funds
Speaker 1: we gather from that goes into you know, we we
Speaker 1: like arbor date planting trees, giving kids, school kids trees
Speaker 1: to take home and plant. After the festival, depending on
Speaker 1: funds what we get, we'll be sending kids to camp,
Speaker 1: different activities, different outdoor educational things. You know, the more
Speaker 1: we can, you know, the more we'll make, the more
Speaker 1: we'll put into outdoor education. That's what the whole festival
Speaker 1: and the Cobble Mountain Critter Project is about. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of where this whole thing has taken us. So
Speaker 1: through that we've had uh multiple experience. It is ex
Speaker 1: you know, for different people in different groups. We've had
Speaker 1: we've run a couple of BFRO expeditions right here out
Speaker 1: of our camp. Each and and the uh you know
Speaker 1: right here, we've we've done the expeditions and we've had
Speaker 1: Class A sidings right here in Massachusetts, numerous ones. My
Speaker 1: brothers had. If he was here, he'd be telling you
Speaker 1: this is you know, his experience was in two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen and up in Savoy State Forest where he
Speaker 1: was forty yards away and there was you know, a
Speaker 1: dozen or so people and that that's you know, one
Speaker 1: of those things where there was a half a dozen witnesses.
Speaker 1: There were two people that had seen it, and you know,
Speaker 1: then we went out into October Mountain and another expedition.
Speaker 1: October Mountain is kind of where we live. We're out
Speaker 1: here in western Massachusetts and we've had a number of
Speaker 1: encounters out there. Twenty sixteen. In twenty eighteen, we had
Speaker 1: expeditions where we had seen a bigfoot through a flare
Speaker 1: that was about one hundred yards away. There was a
Speaker 1: dozen people with us at that point. It was the
Speaker 1: first time we'd ever seen it, or well seen it
Speaker 1: with a flare. That was a first, and then it
Speaker 1: was it was raining, so it was about one hundred
Speaker 1: yards away and it was very hard to see through
Speaker 1: the flares, but you could see it pacing back and
Speaker 1: forth on. This turned out to be a long log
Speaker 1: and the there was also a smell with it. I
Speaker 1: wanted the guys in the group chuck. He said that,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, guys, did you guys happen to smell
Speaker 1: this over? You know, smell this and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, we started paying attention and you
Speaker 1: could actually smell what would you know, typically be uh old,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say skunk, cabbage, but old socks,
Speaker 1: old wet bag, you know. Combine all these odors with
Speaker 1: a wet dog, you know, and a you know, maybe
Speaker 1: a deer high that's been sitting out, you know, something
Speaker 1: to that effect. You know, kind of must be Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't smell death or putrid or any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. It was very earthy. If you've been
Speaker 1: around wet wild animals, skinning, cleaning, any of that stuff,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an order you would recognize, and if
Speaker 1: you didn't see it, you would smell it and you
Speaker 1: would recognize it as a hunter. If you'd smell these
Speaker 1: wild animals before, if you've been close enough to it,
Speaker 1: you'd smell it. And when they say, oh, I was
Speaker 1: close enough to smell it, well, yeah, you can actually
Speaker 1: do that. But having said that, this was one hundred
Speaker 1: yards away and we could potentially smell it. And so anyways,
Speaker 1: we're sitting there now, well maybe half a dozen of
Speaker 1: us have fleers, I think at the time. We have
Speaker 1: the scout it's called a TK scout goes about one
Speaker 1: hundred yards and we were really taxing it in the rain,
Speaker 1: and so we're all watching it, you know, and now
Speaker 1: we can smell it. And this thing is pacing back
Speaker 1: and forth on a log and it literally goes you know,
Speaker 1: by ten feet, goes back and it comes out twenty feet,
Speaker 1: goes back the it's thirty forty to fifty and it's
Speaker 1: pacing each time it goes and turns out, you know,
Speaker 1: because we went back the following day. It turns out
Speaker 1: there was an ash tree that had fallen and it
Speaker 1: was about ninety foot, you know, trump just as straight
Speaker 1: as could be. And when it had fallen, it gave
Speaker 1: this thing a half way to walk, and it looked
Speaker 1: like it was floating through the tall swamp grass, but
Speaker 1: it was literally walking on this log, which made it
Speaker 1: look probably even higher than it was. Uh So we're
Speaker 1: sitting there and so we've seen it on the floor.
Speaker 1: Now we're smelling this thing and we're all talking about it.
Speaker 1: We can't believe it. Finally somebody says, hey, did somebody
Speaker 1: record it? And it was like here in the headlights,
Speaker 1: no one's recording it. We're all talking about it, looking
Speaker 1: at it, and no one's hitting record. Finally, only you know,
Speaker 1: I probably everybody hit record, but it was way too late.
Speaker 1: There was there was a couple of seconds that was
Speaker 1: actually recorded that turned into garbage because it was just
Speaker 1: two pixelated simple as that. It's too far away the rain,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, it was great, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a great unit, you know, for doing what it
Speaker 1: was doing. But we were taxing it and taking it
Speaker 1: to the limit, and it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: So we didn't get a good video of it. Although
Speaker 1: we were watching it through the through the flore so
Speaker 1: it made it a little better, but it didn't record.
Speaker 1: So we're sitting there watching this thing pace back and forth,
Speaker 1: and finally you know, we don't know this at the time.
Speaker 1: This is one o'clock in the morning at Felton Pond
Speaker 1: in October Mountain State Forest, and it's kind of rainy,
Speaker 1: drizzly out and like I said, it's it's early morning.
Speaker 1: Now to something like that, it's late. And so this
Speaker 1: thing is pacing. It gets to the end of the
Speaker 1: pacing and it just looks like it jumps down and
Speaker 1: walks off and disappears. And that's to the extent that
Speaker 1: you know, that was it. Well, okay, guys, we're all
Speaker 1: looking and no one sees anything, so we figured that
Speaker 1: was it. It just ran off in the woods and
Speaker 1: took off because we couldn't see anything, no heat, you know,
Speaker 1: a heat signature on the flare. And so we're kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, discussing what we had all experienced, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of wrapping it up, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: before we wrapped it up, literally, you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of what we what I call the peninsula, and
Speaker 1: it's really not a peninsula, it's a round pond, but
Speaker 1: at the angle we were standing at, there's like a
Speaker 1: small portion that kind of juts out like a peninsula,
Speaker 1: I guess, and there's a pine tree, a white pine
Speaker 1: at the very end of this small peninsula, and it
Speaker 1: h this this thing, whatever happened, was this great big ball,
Speaker 1: like an orb for lack of better term. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what an orb looks like, but I guess
Speaker 1: this is what it is. It's it was a crystal
Speaker 1: blue in color, and it was it wasn't emitting light,
Speaker 1: you know, like a flashlight. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: a ball of light and it didn't it was just
Speaker 1: kind of weird, like a glowing ball. And it popped
Speaker 1: on in the middle of the night at about fifty
Speaker 1: feet on this one hundred and twenty one hundred and
Speaker 1: foot you know pine tree. So halfway up this pine tree,
Speaker 1: this blue light pops on. There it is and it's
Speaker 1: bigger than a you know, a beach ball. It's I
Speaker 1: don't know, bigger than a beach ball, I can tell
Speaker 1: you that. And all of a sudden it just starts
Speaker 1: this is fifty feet up and it starts going up
Speaker 1: the pine tree, and it goes straight up the trunk
Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of branches there, but this thing
Speaker 1: is going straight up right through the branches, right up
Speaker 1: to the very top of the tree and it's just slow.
Speaker 1: We're watching, you know, you can count one, two, three,
Speaker 1: or you know, we're watching this, and this thing goes
Speaker 1: to the top of the tree and it goes up
Speaker 1: just a little bit past the trees, and then it
Speaker 1: starts to traverse to my right, and I guess we
Speaker 1: could count it maybe four seconds and then it was gone.
Speaker 1: Just as quick as it popped on it disappeared. So
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was just weird. That was
Speaker 1: just weird. And in fact, when Eric had seen his
Speaker 1: bigfoots out in Savoy during I think it was twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: they had experienced an orb in the camp here and
Speaker 1: it was an orange orb. So there's been two visuals,
Speaker 1: multiple sightings, multiple people witnessing it, and there's been orbs involved,
Speaker 1: and it's been raining. So I don't know if those
Speaker 1: are coincidences. I have no idea, but I can tell
Speaker 1: you they all happened at the same time, within the
Speaker 1: same story. The rain, the bigfoot. You know, we actually
Speaker 1: had the smell this time in October Mountain, multiple witnesses,
Speaker 1: so you know, it wasn't just you know, you know,
Speaker 1: he says, you know, kind of a story. There's a
Speaker 1: whole expedition team went. So we've been very fortunate here
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts as far as UH finding, were getting results,
Speaker 1: as far as getting a response or happened to be
Speaker 1: in the area where the big Foot was. And we
Speaker 1: do that simply because you know, we we typically work
Speaker 1: in the fall because it's harvest season. So from June on,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have harvest season coming up through you know, Connecticut,
Speaker 1: New England, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, all the way up through,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a perfectly isolate. You know, there's
Speaker 1: little portions that are really busy the cities. Once you're
Speaker 1: out of the cities and you're out where I am.
Speaker 1: I've got a thirteen hundred acre here with a lake
Speaker 1: and a bunch of ponds and streams and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and we don't use half of it, and they could
Speaker 1: easily walk through part of it. You'd never know it.
Speaker 1: And that's connected to the Cobble Mountain Reservoir, which is
Speaker 1: connected to the tallonn State Forest and the Granville State
Speaker 1: Forest and Oda State Forest and this one and that one,
Speaker 1: and so if you look at it at the ten
Speaker 1: thousand foot view the green Way out here, you know,
Speaker 1: is the potential to to host and have something like
Speaker 1: that in your area and not be seen or seen
Speaker 1: very little is very I think very uh, you know, possible,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's due to harvest as
Speaker 1: simple as that. You know, it's got a lot of variety.
Speaker 1: You know, just think of the wild you know, harvest
Speaker 1: that takes place in the you know, in the spring,
Speaker 1: you get all your wild and edibles coming up. Everything's yummy,
Speaker 1: and then in the summer you're gonna have your oaks dropping,
Speaker 1: and so that's a midsummer harvest, you know, and yolks
Speaker 1: will be dropping, so Turkey's deer and everything is going
Speaker 1: to benefit from that. I would imagine a big foot
Speaker 1: would benefit. And then you're going into your fall. So
Speaker 1: you've got your other sections, you got your reds or
Speaker 1: whites or whatever else is falling. And it sounds, you know,
Speaker 1: like you should be wearing a hard hat out there sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on what's coming on with the harvests.
Speaker 1: So just the natural harvests alone are beneficial, and they
Speaker 1: keep ninety percent of the wildlife you know, sustained already,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, don't understand, So why not
Speaker 1: add a big Foot in there, and you know, we
Speaker 1: were there simply because we're getting reports, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's what we do. So we're following up mostly now
Speaker 1: as the Logo Brothers. We're following up in Western mass
Speaker 1: and New England and kind of focusing around here. We've
Speaker 1: been out the Bridgewater Triangle. Got some guys out there,
Speaker 1: the boots on the ground, and they do a lot
Speaker 1: of investigating out that way. There's a network of people
Speaker 1: out that way. We're all trying to kind of collaborate,
Speaker 1: get information together in one place. And there's lots of
Speaker 1: places that you know, say they do that, and we're
Speaker 1: kind of working in that in that direction. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a bunch of researchers throughout New England,
Speaker 1: throughout the country, and it's a bunch of fragmented information
Speaker 1: and there's nowhere to put it and nowhere that you know,
Speaker 1: collectively that will be seen from everybody. And so that's
Speaker 1: what we would like to do is try to create
Speaker 1: a central area, and so we're going to focus on
Speaker 1: New England, create that little area and kind of bring
Speaker 1: our own towns knowledge up to what's going on. You know.
Speaker 1: We do you know, we do little town halls here,
Speaker 1: we have talks at the coffee shop, we have the library.
Speaker 1: So you know, folks around here know it says the
Speaker 1: you know, the Vogel Brothers, the Bigfoot guys. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got in the general stores we've got Bigfoot reporting
Speaker 1: boxes and stuff just for fun with the kids, and
Speaker 1: they get stickers and whatnot. So it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's just kind of creating a name and uh. More
Speaker 1: so so it's comfortable to talk about the topic. You know,
Speaker 1: we do. We just did a library show talk presentation
Speaker 1: and Dalton, mass and there were sixty people there for
Speaker 1: their for their town hall or their you know, their
Speaker 1: talk presentation. Literally you know, Souffolk, all these local towns
Speaker 1: in western mass whatever they maxed out, we've maxed them out.
Speaker 1: We've maxed them out. So the topic is interesting, the
Speaker 1: interest is there locally, and uh and so we're just
Speaker 1: bringing it out. People want to talk about it. So
Speaker 1: we're becoming an avenue and a vehicle through the cobble mountain.
Speaker 3: Critter.
Speaker 2: Now, from everything you've experienced and everything, this not to
Speaker 2: make it a loaded question, but what what do you
Speaker 2: think a bigfoot actually is? Because I know there's there's
Speaker 2: there's different things with people that they believe them to
Speaker 2: be flesh and blood. There's people that think that there's
Speaker 2: more to them. Where do you guys kind of line
Speaker 2: up with that?
Speaker 1: I believe it's more question blood, you know, That's where
Speaker 1: I'm at with that. I there now having said that,
Speaker 1: you know, we just had two Class A experiences where
Speaker 1: they you know, groups have seen them and there were
Speaker 1: orbs involved. You know, now, we've also got a half
Speaker 1: a dozen tracks, okay in the twenty almost twenty years
Speaker 1: that we've been working in this project, and they've you know,
Speaker 1: an eight hundred pound animal nine foot tall, gave a
Speaker 1: track and a half. Literally, that's what we got out
Speaker 1: of this thing, and we can't find another track. The
Speaker 1: track was seventeen you know, seventeen inches long, about four
Speaker 1: five inches wide and seven or eight inches wide at
Speaker 1: the top. And we've got a half a dozen between
Speaker 1: fifteen and seventeen. Then we've got a couple of what
Speaker 1: we believe juvenile tracks as well. So there's the evidence
Speaker 1: here and so that's kind of what we're focusing on it.
Speaker 1: And so we believe if they're leaving tracks, they got
Speaker 1: to be something that's making the tracks. So I'm thinking
Speaker 1: flesh and blood. But they might have the ability to
Speaker 1: just haul ass and bootscoot and boogie and you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of tracks and they're gone. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know whether they turn into a ball of energy
Speaker 1: and that's where the orb is and poof, they're gone,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of freak out and zap out
Speaker 1: and they're done, or if they just run. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I was listening to I think it was Roger Miller
Speaker 1: down there, squatch holler. He had somebody down there who's
Speaker 1: talking to And you know, I didn't think about it
Speaker 1: like that before, but he says, maybe there's been plenty
Speaker 1: of talk about a bigfoot being able to run really fast.
Speaker 1: We've taken a number of reports I have myself of
Speaker 1: bigfoots chasing gear and things like that, you know, and
Speaker 1: being really fast about it. So, you know, are they
Speaker 1: moving so fast they're barely leaving a foot template on
Speaker 1: the ground? You know? Are they just like once they
Speaker 1: you know, initially get the traction and they're just hoofing it?
Speaker 1: You know, is there much of a footprint behind? Actually?
Speaker 1: And I want to say yes, because you're moving, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a bigfoot or elk, it's
Speaker 1: going to be leaving a track, you know, in my book.
Speaker 1: So that's where the whole we move thing comes in.
Speaker 1: Why can't we get a decent trackway? You know, we've
Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time and we've actually
Speaker 1: cast it. We got dirt in our cast. These are
Speaker 1: a real bill, you know, they're real uh, and that's
Speaker 1: all we got. We should have a trackway somewhere, you know,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't show up.
Speaker 2: I've seen photos and even people that I've spoken to
Speaker 2: in person, like they have tracks and they have photos,
Speaker 2: and the strange thing that I always thought was a
Speaker 2: lot of them where the tracks just stop in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. So then everyone's like, well, clearly they're
Speaker 2: faking it, because you can't just stop like in the snow,
Speaker 2: and like you see these tracks going through the snow
Speaker 2: and they just stop out of nowhere. Well, someone, if
Speaker 2: they were faked, someone had to make those tracks in
Speaker 2: the snow and then move away from the area. So
Speaker 2: they're following these tracks where there's no other footprints, and
Speaker 2: the footprints just stop. Yeah, So that makes no sense
Speaker 2: to me. So even if they were faked. How did
Speaker 2: they get away from that area and still leave those
Speaker 2: footprints there but not their own footprints of walking away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where the whole wlu thing comes in,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's where the potential for that kind
Speaker 1: of whacks. It has some idols to sit there and say, okay,
Speaker 1: we've experienced we've actually experienced the orb with Bigfoot in
Speaker 1: the same story, and that's it. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: have it any other way. That's what happened. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe when we saw we were up in Felton Pond.
Speaker 1: There were six tracks that day. All of them were
Speaker 1: in the high grass. Two of them were in kind
Speaker 1: of a hill going up. It just was a higher
Speaker 1: incline and the grass was a little less dense and
Speaker 1: it turned into a pine needle substrate kind of thing
Speaker 1: within this. So anyways, you know, mind you this thing
Speaker 1: is running, so it's got us six or seven foot stride.
Speaker 1: So these six tracks went well over fifty feet or
Speaker 1: so in through this grass. So we did end up
Speaker 1: getting two track casts out of that, but only one
Speaker 1: that was really decent. The others too ambiguous. But there
Speaker 1: were we could actually see six but we couldn't find
Speaker 1: any more and it went into a soft pine substrate.
Speaker 1: After the last cast, we were able to try our
Speaker 1: cast that was actually another seventeen by five and another
Speaker 1: seven inch. Is why at the top the toes it
Speaker 1: shows articulation in the toes by the thing having to balance.
Speaker 1: So the big toe, second toe, and then the three
Speaker 1: toes are the baby toe and the little toes are
Speaker 1: kind of down on an angle where it kind of
Speaker 1: trying to keep its balance and you can see where
Speaker 1: it's dug into the ground a little more. So it
Speaker 1: gives it a three dimensional value to the cast. It's
Speaker 1: kind of cool.
Speaker 2: I've always thought it was interesting when I've looked at
Speaker 2: casts from people and the size differences are interesting to me.
Speaker 2: I have a big foot in general, like so I
Speaker 2: wear size fourteen shoes, so for me, I think my
Speaker 2: foot is big. And then you see the size of
Speaker 2: some of these castings, like damn their heads, so it's
Speaker 2: it's it's crazy to me. But I have like a
Speaker 2: metal those metal cutouts of base like a bigfoot minds
Speaker 2: of nine foot or ten foot one and it's out
Speaker 2: backed by my pole barn. If you actually stare at
Speaker 2: it and look at the actual size. If you were
Speaker 2: to think that this thing is actually out there at
Speaker 2: this size.
Speaker 3: They're massive. I don't think people realize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my brother, you know, in sixteen, in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: he was with a dozen people or so and they
Speaker 1: two people witnessed it and at least the rest of
Speaker 1: them all experienced whistling whoops, and I think it was
Speaker 1: rock clacking. So it was a very multi uh sensory
Speaker 1: kind of and a thing where they believe they went
Speaker 1: in and separated. They walked in between three and one
Speaker 1: was on the right, ones on the left, and this
Speaker 1: thing was in the middle, and that's where they walked
Speaker 1: in on it. And you know what, can I says
Speaker 1: it was just one of those things.
Speaker 2: If you ever were able to actually see one face
Speaker 2: to face, how would you react? Like, I know that's
Speaker 2: that's not really you can't really give a direct answer,
Speaker 2: but like, is it something that you want to experience
Speaker 2: and you want to see one that closer? Would you
Speaker 2: kind of be freaked out by being too close to one?
Speaker 1: I'd be freaked out, but I absolutely want to get
Speaker 1: a closer experience. I was out on my gator today,
Speaker 1: Like I said, we got thirteen hundred acres and I
Speaker 1: was checking a beaver pine. We're pretty remote. My house
Speaker 1: is a half mile off the road and I'm another
Speaker 1: mile into the woods on my gator and checking out
Speaker 1: this beaver pine. So, you know, you go out there
Speaker 1: and there's nothing out there, and I'm out there by
Speaker 1: myself often so and I'm always squatching, or I'm looking
Speaker 1: for mountain lions, or I'm always you know, I'm bait
Speaker 1: out there. So you have to You can't just say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm the cool guy and walk around and be thing
Speaker 1: and you're safe, because you're not. Simple as that. Something
Speaker 1: happens you. You fall down and get hurt, your praying
Speaker 1: just as simple as that. If you think if they
Speaker 1: think you got to if they think that you were
Speaker 1: a meal, they're going to do their damn just to
Speaker 1: put you on the menu. And that's going to be it.
Speaker 1: And I don't care if it's a fox or a
Speaker 1: kyo or a bear or whatever. And uh so you
Speaker 1: can't take stuff like that lightly, you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: out there all the time by myself, just part of
Speaker 1: the job. So you have to double think everything you do,
Speaker 1: you know, even walking foot placement. Where am I going
Speaker 1: to go where, you know, all that stuff because you
Speaker 1: you don't want to get into a situation, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I'm out there in the remote parts of
Speaker 1: places and in the weirdest you know, swamps and things
Speaker 1: like that. Going through Mount Laurel, you can't see ten
Speaker 1: feet in front of you, and uh, and you I'm
Speaker 1: really thinking, I just don't want to walk up to
Speaker 1: a moose. But yeah, I'll take everything else. Everything else
Speaker 1: runs moose. They're inquisitive and Bigfoot might check me out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd love to see it. And I'm in
Speaker 1: the place is where the opportunity is there, you know,
Speaker 1: by myself. It's remote, and but I'd like to think
Speaker 1: I I'd be able to deal with it after I
Speaker 1: pissed myself, you know. But yeah, No, I have this
Speaker 1: guy coming to our festival here in June, Ernie Gavrau.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know him and his story
Speaker 1: he's got.
Speaker 2: I know Ernie, you know, I haven't actually had him
Speaker 2: on the show, but I know who he is.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a must have. You've got to tack to him.
Speaker 1: He's his story is incredible. That's That's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: And he his story, his encounter happened on Drake Mountain,
Speaker 1: which is just a couple of miles as the crow
Speaker 1: flash from my house. Okay, we are in the Cobble
Speaker 1: Mountain Watershed and in the Westville River Watershed, and Cobble
Speaker 1: Mountain Reservoir happens to be within it. And it's just
Speaker 1: woods up in the Berkshires, that's where we are. And
Speaker 1: I'm in a camp all by myself, my wife and
Speaker 1: I way out here and there's nothing out here. It's
Speaker 1: just it. You know. My wife's doing bird feeders right
Speaker 1: now for excitement. That's what the Lewis is in the background.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's there's plenty of opportunity out here
Speaker 1: for this thing. And we've seen it multiple times, uh,
Speaker 1: in various places. You know. Once we were in Connecticut
Speaker 1: with our business and to cohib mount and Outdoors and
Speaker 1: we're doing a ropes course program down at a private
Speaker 1: school in northwest Connecticut and we're working with a Catholic
Speaker 1: group preacher and we start talking and of course you
Speaker 1: know we're we were talking about bigfoot and he's a bigfoot, makefoot,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's crazy talk, you know, that's just nuts. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we do our ropes. Course, you know, they're in
Speaker 1: harnesses and they're walking up our wires and the ropes,
Speaker 1: and they're on ballet and all that good stuff, and
Speaker 1: they do zip lines. And at the end of the
Speaker 1: day it's a team building event. They're gonna go down
Speaker 1: and have a hike and they're going to go to
Speaker 1: the top of this mountain and there's a Bible worship
Speaker 1: and then they come down and have dinner and Eric
Speaker 1: and I while they're doing Bible worship or study, the
Speaker 1: Eric and I are doing dinner and we're doing if
Speaker 1: we're doing I think we're doing burgers and things like that.
Speaker 1: So it takes about an hour hour and a half
Speaker 1: for these guys to do this thing. And they come
Speaker 1: down and Eric and I have dinner ready. It's on grills,
Speaker 1: and we're talking and we're just finishing up passing out
Speaker 1: all the burgers and whatnot, and we're the adults were
Speaker 1: having coffee, and all of a sudden, at the very
Speaker 1: top of this mountain where these people had just walked
Speaker 1: from not a half hour before, this siren sound, this
Speaker 1: loud siren. It sounded like a police car at the
Speaker 1: top of this promote mountain and at the very highest
Speaker 1: loudest point you could you know who it was. But
Speaker 1: it was a whistle and it was just insanely loud
Speaker 1: from start to finish. It just started at high pitch
Speaker 1: and ended it a high pitch and it went for
Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five seconds. It was just
Speaker 1: a very surreal, what the heck just happened kind of noise,
Speaker 1: you know. And so the preacher Bill he looks at
Speaker 1: Eric and he says, yep, bigfoot, or he looks at
Speaker 1: me and I says, yep, bigfoot. We had never heard
Speaker 1: this before, mind you. We've been doing program in this area.
Speaker 1: This is our ropes course. We've been running this ropes
Speaker 1: course high Ropes in the woods for about thirteen fourteen years,
Speaker 1: and we do it every summer. God I will probably
Speaker 1: fifty nights a year down there, and never had an
Speaker 1: experience like this. And so it was this loud, weird whistle.
Speaker 1: So we kind of had fun with it. Excuse me
Speaker 1: and Eric and I still weren't sure. We thought it
Speaker 1: was bigfoot, but it was sounded like a police car.
Speaker 1: And there's no way it was a police car up there,
Speaker 1: but that's what it sounded like. It was very high
Speaker 1: pitched and anyway, So it's getting dark out and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the owls are going off. There's probably
Speaker 1: three or four owls that are, you know, and they're
Speaker 1: hooting and hollering, and there's I don't know, four or five,
Speaker 1: maybe a half a dozen birds and at this point
Speaker 1: it's March is probably breeding season for them things. So
Speaker 1: they were going off. They were they were not they
Speaker 1: were very vocal, and not every thing was audible as
Speaker 1: an owl. It was more screaming, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what the heck it was. It was. It was owls
Speaker 1: yelling at each other, I think, is what it comes
Speaker 1: down to. And with the basic tone of the you know,
Speaker 1: who cooks for you kind of thing, and probably an
Speaker 1: hour steady of not it just NonStop owl talk, these
Speaker 1: coyotes start going off, yipping and yapping, and god, they
Speaker 1: went on for a good fifteen twenty minutes, NonStop, and
Speaker 1: you could hear them. They're running down the mountain, coming
Speaker 1: towards our campsite, and Eric and I are camped away
Speaker 1: from this group just you know, enough to where they
Speaker 1: can have their privacy and talk and do their thing,
Speaker 1: and Eric and I can have a you know, spend
Speaker 1: the night without having a bunch of kids talking intents
Speaker 1: and stuff. We don't hear it. So it's we're offering
Speaker 1: a little portion of the camp and these things come
Speaker 1: running down and everybody's listening to this. You know, there's
Speaker 1: thirty five kids in the woods. They've all heard the scream,
Speaker 1: they've heard the owls, they've heard the whistles, things like
Speaker 1: that over the night. Now the coyotes are coming through,
Speaker 1: and you know, bigfoots in their mind and that's what
Speaker 1: they've been told, so you know, they're all kind of
Speaker 1: freaked out. And so these coyotes come running through camp
Speaker 1: and one of them literally goes under my brothers. He's
Speaker 1: a hammock hanger and he swears he felt the you know,
Speaker 1: the dog go right under his hamming and they went
Speaker 1: right through our camp. So it was very possible. And
Speaker 1: so you know, once they went through camp, it was
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of quieted down a little bit
Speaker 1: and that was that was kind of uneventful at the
Speaker 1: rest of the night, but it was pretty late. Got
Speaker 1: up the next day, finished our program and Eric and
Speaker 1: I were breaking down camp and there was a tree
Speaker 1: that had fallen. It was a big oak tree and
Speaker 1: it had fallen down in July or June, No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't it was was it probably April? I guess it
Speaker 1: was April, March or April, and it was starting to
Speaker 1: get buds on the trees, and so it was starting
Speaker 1: to leaf out, and a big storm came and knocked
Speaker 1: it down. Wasn't totally leafed out, but it was getting there.
Speaker 1: Just big oak trees, you know, got a sixty foot
Speaker 1: canopy wide, and you could barely hardly see through the canopy.
Speaker 1: But something was walking on the back side of that
Speaker 1: and and that's what Eric and I had recognized. Something
Speaker 1: was walking behind it, and we thought it was a deer.
Speaker 1: Wasn't thinking the bigfoot, even though that night we had,
Speaker 1: you know, all this craziness going on, and still thinking
Speaker 1: it was, you know, a deer. And then it stopped,
Speaker 1: and a few I don't know moments later, you could
Speaker 1: hear rock coming through those branches and it landed fifteen
Speaker 1: feet from Eric, fifteen twenty feet from Eric, and it
Speaker 1: was a good, I don't know, candlepin softball ish size, good,
Speaker 1: good sized rock and it came all the way through
Speaker 1: the canopy. So I was going to throw that rock
Speaker 1: that far, no way, but you know, I'm sure a
Speaker 1: bigfoot could. And it tossed it through the trees. You
Speaker 1: could hear it breaking the branches going and moving the
Speaker 1: branches as it came through, and then it could thredd
Speaker 1: and you know, landed and rolled right next to Eric
Speaker 1: within twenty feet or so. That was the cue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't, you know, we just said, okay, we're out,
Speaker 1: see you later and grab my tent. Didn't roll. I
Speaker 1: just grabbed it through it in the back of my jeep,
Speaker 1: see it, and we got the hell out of there.
Speaker 2: Now, me personally, I'm I think I would actually be
Speaker 2: the idiot that would probably if I heard a noise
Speaker 2: and whatever, I try to go find the noise. I
Speaker 2: don't I say that. But if I'm mountain by myself,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to I can already tell you that
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out in the dark out
Speaker 2: here by myself through the woods.
Speaker 1: But if I was, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say it.
Speaker 2: I was like, Now, if I had a group of
Speaker 2: people with me, then it might be a little bit different.
Speaker 2: But I just know going out on my own, I'm
Speaker 2: not going down the woods at night time by myself.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we had the experience that night, so
Speaker 1: we all experienced it. And then that morning it was
Speaker 1: a rock that came through, and we had never experienced
Speaker 1: rock throwing like that. I mean, that was rock throwing
Speaker 1: at you. So that was a clear and deliberate, say hey,
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here thing to me. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to challenge it. It just it just
Speaker 1: you know, it came with a tone maybe you know,
Speaker 1: or maybe this infra speaker in for it, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of weird stuff that they talk about mind speak,
Speaker 1: And I just knew we were going through that tree
Speaker 1: looking for it. I just knew that that rock.
Speaker 2: I think if I ever got something thrown at me,
Speaker 2: I'd probably leave it alone.
Speaker 3: Clearly, it doesn't want me to mess.
Speaker 1: With That was my thoughts. That was my thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could have easily tried to check it out, but
Speaker 1: maybe it would be a different story. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But it was clearly something that said, you know it,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, one of those guys. When when
Speaker 1: we were in New York, we had experienced that well
Speaker 1: before this, and we had the tree shaking and the
Speaker 1: roaring and stuff. Like that. And we had the roaring
Speaker 1: up in Savoy State Forest and you know, so we
Speaker 1: had experienced a number of things and so this wasn't
Speaker 1: really that much, but we had never experienced the rock.
Speaker 1: And that whistle was incredible. It was incredibly loud. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it was like the high pitch of a
Speaker 1: siren police car. But it wasn't there's no road out there,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't no kid up there with a you know,
Speaker 1: a box that made a noise. This was a very spontaneous,
Speaker 1: kind of maxed out yell. It was a very kind
Speaker 1: of weird, weird, weird thing. But when the rock came
Speaker 1: through the trees and and that was clear it you know,
Speaker 1: we're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I don't know, like I said, if I
Speaker 2: ever got something thrown at me, it's probably game over.
Speaker 3: I'm like, nope, I'm done.
Speaker 1: And as you said, if there was more people, you know,
Speaker 1: there's probably a little more bravery with more people, you know,
Speaker 1: which comes with numbers. But but there wasn't. And you know,
Speaker 1: the rock came through the trees and that was enough
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I knew I didn't have to
Speaker 1: go back there to see what was throwing it. I
Speaker 1: could have, but it may not have ended.
Speaker 3: Well. Did you happen to see the size of the
Speaker 3: rock it was?
Speaker 1: It's it was at least the size of a good
Speaker 1: size candlepin bowling ball, you know, good, Yeah, like a yeah, good,
Speaker 1: like a candlepin bowling ball, maybe a little bigger something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've had someone tell me before that they were hearing
Speaker 2: all these noises and they've had a huge rock just
Speaker 2: come flying, which they said maybe could have rolled down
Speaker 2: a hill. And I've had other people say they've had
Speaker 2: big like logs getting tossed statum. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I can make, like me trying to rationalize things.
Speaker 2: I could see maybe a branch breaking off, or if
Speaker 2: you're on a hill, maybe some something happens on a
Speaker 2: rock slides down. But like something heavy that big just
Speaker 2: flying through the air is not natural, like something's literally
Speaker 2: throwing it or something's doing something to make it fly
Speaker 2: through the air.
Speaker 1: Exactly, it's accelerated, that's moving stuff. That's that that was
Speaker 1: hurled through and it went through at least sixty feet
Speaker 1: a canopy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't messing with that then. That was my thoughts,
Speaker 1: That says Eric this is whatever, it is, just through
Speaker 1: shit at you. We've got to go. Yeah, yep, let's go.
Speaker 1: So then we did, you know, it wasn't going to
Speaker 1: go back there. You know, we went back and took
Speaker 1: the casts when we were up in Savoy and our
Speaker 1: buddy had come in and met us at the trail
Speaker 1: head and we got back in his truck and right
Speaker 1: as we were driving in, he was listening to the
Speaker 1: game the Red Sox were on. And Eric, he was
Speaker 1: on the passenger side, and I was on the passenger side,
Speaker 1: back seat, and this four for four seater pickup truck,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm Eric, can you hear that? And
Speaker 1: it was just like the screaming we heard up in
Speaker 1: New York, and it was at the top of this
Speaker 1: mountain in Savoy, up in the state forest, so you know,
Speaker 1: the noise was very similar. It was something that was recognizable.
Speaker 1: We knew we had recognized the noise. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what we were in for. We all we did was
Speaker 1: spot the track and we were going back to casting.
Speaker 1: And then when John pulls up with his truck, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, this thing start drawing again, and Eric
Speaker 1: and I knew exactly what that roar was or what
Speaker 1: potentially made it, and we still drove pasted to the
Speaker 1: spot it had hiked up through the woods, even though
Speaker 1: it just roared at us and cast that stupid track
Speaker 1: and got the heck out of there and not even
Speaker 1: gave the roar a second glance. It's like, you know, why,
Speaker 1: why you know? So? Why would you do that? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I was going to say something, but again, you could
Speaker 2: take it either way. It's as I say, you don't
Speaker 2: know if anyone that's ever been attacked by a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: But I guess if you'd been attacked by bigfoot, no
Speaker 2: one would know anyways, because there wouldn't be much left
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, So one of the guys I had
Speaker 1: been talking to just told us a recent story. He
Speaker 1: was talking about rock throwing, and he said a rock
Speaker 1: that came past him and landed in the water, and
Speaker 1: it was it was probably all of two feet like
Speaker 1: an oblong shaped flat rock that was probably six or
Speaker 1: eight inches in thickness, and it kind of flopped past
Speaker 1: him and it went into the pond. This is a
Speaker 1: massive rock that went hurling past this guy after a
Speaker 1: tree push, after a tree push.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I said earlier I'd be done, but
Speaker 2: that's just me. But we've been going on for about
Speaker 2: an hour, so I figured we can wrap this one
Speaker 2: up here soon. But I was going to ask, is
Speaker 2: there anything else you would like to discuss or if not,
Speaker 2: where can people find you at for anyone that's interested?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll do a plug for the festival,
Speaker 1: all right, So it's the Vogel Brothers. You can find
Speaker 1: us on Facebook at the Volgel Brothers. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we've been doing this for a long time, so you
Speaker 1: can go on that page. We also have the Cobble
Speaker 1: Mountain Critter page, which is our youth outdoor education. That's
Speaker 1: way for us to do our public speaking when we
Speaker 1: go out and do libraries, conferences, festivals, things like that.
Speaker 1: That's going out through the Cobble Mountain Critter. And then
Speaker 1: we have the Cobble Mountain Festival, which is our fundraiser
Speaker 1: for youth out there education. That's going to be held
Speaker 1: right here in Western mass It's in Russell, Massachusetts, June seventh,
Speaker 1: and we've got a dozen New England speakers from all
Speaker 1: the way through New England, every every state New England
Speaker 1: covered and it's Cryptid's Mountain Lions, Puck Wodge's Bridgewater Triangles podcasters.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of good people coming up. Jane
Speaker 1: Cooks Ferry out of Maine, Dave McCall out of Boston.
Speaker 1: We've got the Richie brought and Steve Wojoe Butcher his name, well,
Speaker 1: we got Wojo he's coming. Uh there. We've got Geez
Speaker 1: Mike Trainor of the Rhode Island coming in. We've got
Speaker 1: the New Hampshire Boys, the Bigfoot New Hampshire Society. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're talking about New Hampshire. Got Ernie Gavau coming talk
Speaker 1: about Massachusetts and his experience. Mike Young out of Connecticut.
Speaker 1: He's got Connecticut covered. So we've got a bunch of
Speaker 1: speakers that are coming that are active boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: They are doing research as we're talking, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And they're local. And that's the cool
Speaker 1: thing about it. We were looking on a map about
Speaker 1: you know, festivals and things like that, and we're in
Speaker 1: this like little zone that no one comes to. You know,
Speaker 1: we all go out to Boston and Hartford and Albany
Speaker 1: in this place in the Ohio, and so we wanted
Speaker 1: to do something here local, so lot people here in
Speaker 1: New England could have a little place local here and
Speaker 1: come to so we're trying it out. So that's the
Speaker 1: Cobble Mountain Critter Festival June seventh. You can check that out.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, Tim, it's been a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 2: I have enjoyed it. I hope you've enjoyed talking here too.
Speaker 2: And for anyone listening, make sure to look up the
Speaker 2: Vogel Brothers on Facebook and but no, I'm gonna definitely
Speaker 2: check out some more of your stuff on there. And again,
Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure talking with you.
Speaker 1: Same here I had to be on and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a fun topic. I find it's uh, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people opening up and more shows like this.
Speaker 1: The people here, they're easier it is for people to
Speaker 1: open up and talk about this.
Speaker 3: Yep, definitely, which.
Speaker 1: Is good for us because that's the research and that's
Speaker 1: what we're putting down. That's what we're doing for.
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