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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to write the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We love to hear from you. How is it going, Molly,

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It's going great.

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Speaker 2: Today is a big day for you, Right.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty big day. I have my new book

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coming out. It's released today. It's called The Rise of

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Blue Anon, How the Democrats became a Party of Conspiracy Theorists. Obviously,

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you know, you know, writing a book is a lot.

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It's like two years of your life at least, right,

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and I put a lot of work into this one,

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So I'm happy it's finally out.

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Speaker 2: Take us through it, or how about this? Tell us

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why you it?

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Speaker 1: Well? As you know, there's a consensus basically in the

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media and elsewhere that the right wing is susceptible to

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disinformation and misinformation and conspiracy theorists and theories and so on.

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And obviously it's true everybody, every group has its conspiracy theories.

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But I was thinking a lot about how they differ,

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and I think on the left, conspiracy theories are far

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more dangerous because they're laundered through media, because they are

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calibrated for plausibility, because a bunch of experts who are

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supposed to trust come forward and spread them. So like

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with Russia collusions, something you know a lot about the hoax,

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it was far more effective. It was probably the most

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successful conspiracy theory of all time. It hobbled the It

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was like a soft coup. It cobbled that the administration

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could barely do anything because it was deflecting charges that

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the president was an asset of Russia. I laugh whenever

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I say that now. But it was something that most

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people believed. A poll in twenty eighteen I think it

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was showed like fifty eight percent of Democrats believe that

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their votes had been changed, not that Putin put up

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a you know, Facebook ad, but that they literally had

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moved their votes and changed their votes. So, and this

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is not new. I just my book is you know,

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gives a total history of this. It starts, not a

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total history, but starts with Hillary Clinton claiming that there

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was a vast right conspiracy against her husband during the

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Monica Lewinsky thing affair is that they also you know,

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try to gaslight you and project and claim that you

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are the conspiracy theorist, like with COVID or whatever, when

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it's really about them. So anyway, I go through all

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kinds of different strands of paranoia. It's really about paranoia,

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paranoia about for instance, voter suppression. Convinced seeing Black Americans

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that they have no agency in politics. It's a pernicious

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lie and a conspiracy. It's easier to vote than ever,

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too easy, some might say, you know, going through how

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women you see them today breaking down on camera, how

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they believe that Handmaid's Tale is a real story or

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a good book. You know, fascism, that whole entire concocted

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idea that was spread by media that Donald Trump was

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going to be Hitler and so on. So obviously there

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are cynical people who spread them, and there are credulous

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people who believe it, and it's very dangerous and it

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has become almost the until very recently. We'll see what

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happens moving forward. It was the argument of the of

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the left. It was constantly conspiracies and paranoia and you know,

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accusations of sedition and so on. So anyway, that's basically

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what the book's about.

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Speaker 2: I think it's important because, like you said, we have

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a media complex that keeps trying to pretend that conspiracy

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theories have overtaken the right half the time when they

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talk about conspiracy theories, and our own listeners had made

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this point when we were talking about conspiracy theories a

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few months ago halftime, they're not even talking about you know,

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it's not about a conspiracy because we do know that

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criminal conspiracies exists exist, or even that large groups are

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not tiny groups of people can work together to undermine government,

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or you know, something like that conspiracy theory, which is

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a term that's often used to deride people who think something.

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It's just not the asymmetry of the way the media

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talk about it, where they'll take like random people in

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the middle of nowhere on the right who have some

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theory about something they act like that's dominant in the

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conservative space. Meanwhile, they're trafficking in some of the most

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insane conspiracy theories known to mankind with no self awareness.

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And so I'm just great eight that you have cataloged

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some of this, that you've gone into detail about why

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what they're saying is not true. And also I just

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think that the cover is very hilarious. It's my favorite cover,

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The Handmaid's Tail. But there's also UFO ships and flying cows.

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Speaker 1: And well, I want to quickly say that you're right

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about the nut picking that the left does. There'll be

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a Quanon story and they'll have like some randos on there.

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Think about this in the you know how, Now, George

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Bush is this great statesman that the whole left loves,

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but in the two thousands he was actually called a

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Nazi all the time. Over fifty percent of Democrats believed

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that George Bush had known nine to eleven was going

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to happen and he benefited from it. But set all

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that aside. There was a guy named Michael Moore for

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young people might not remember him. He had documentary. He

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made documentaries and one of them, Fahrenheit nine to eleven,

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was that what it was called is one of the

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top grossing documentaries of all time. The dude had a

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standing ovation at the Oscars from all these actors. That

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movie is the most it makes out. It would make

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Alex Jones blush. Okay, it is insane what's in that movie?

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And it was completely mainstream so the idea that this

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is something new, you know, or on the right is ridiculous.

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And another thing I just quickly want to mention election denialism, right,

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that was the big conspiracy going on. I mean, that's

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the big, you know, accusation, you're against democracy, denying elections.

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We've discussed how dumb that term is. But before this election,

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the left had not accepted in any election in this century.

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tell you Al Gore one and the election was stolen

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from him. People forget now. But in two thousand and four,

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virtually every major Democrat claimed that diabold machines had been hanky,

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that something was going on in Ohio that they needed

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to be an investigation. Thirty something Democrats tried to stop

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the election from being certified, and obviously in twenty sixteen

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they didn't accept that. Virtually every Democrat said that Donald

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Trump was not a legitimate president. So they have nohing.

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Speaker 2: I would like to say something about this because if

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you read my book Rigged on the how elections have

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changed over time, you'll know that I am not a

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believer in theories about machines being taken over as an

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explanation for what happened in twenty twenty, I lay out

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the case of things that actually happened using private funding

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to take over government election offices to help drive up

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the vote for Democrats in the blue areas of swing states.

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It's not as exciting as some of these other theories,

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but to me, it's much It's something you can stand behind.

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But everything I learned about machines came from Senate Democrats

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who had been holding hearings every single year since two

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thousand and four to complain about how Carl Rove had

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controlled the voting machines in Ohio to steal the election

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for Donald or for George W. Bush. And they were

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carrying on these hearings all the way to twenty sixteen,

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and every prominent senator on the Democrat side was participating

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in them, up to and including Barack Obama. So it

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became and also, of course because it was Democrats saying it,

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all these people in the media also said it up

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until like the day before the twenty twenty election. You know,

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PBS and other major media trafficking in all sorts of

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things about the unreliability of voting machines. And I don't

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want to dismiss it completely. I'm not saying that Democrats

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were wrong to express those concerns. They are, in many

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cases legitimate concerns. I just think they're not the explanation

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for the problems in our voting system. But then the

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moment Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty, then it just

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turned into something you weren't allowed to say. And that's

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precisely to me why this is important what you're going into.

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Speaker 1: Yeah again, and we discussed this. I think people should.

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In a free country, you're allowed to question an election

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to make sure it was run, right, to take legal recourse.

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But here's the thing. In two thousand, for instance, George

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Bush won Florida. There were three independent recounts. He expanded

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his vote total in each of them, but yet they

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will not accept it. So once the facts are in,

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if you're not willing to move forward, that's a problem.

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the media before, and the New York Times, for instance,

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is willing to entertain any left wing conspiracy theory about

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elections that you want. Last year, it ran a long,

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long piece about this eighty year old man who claimed

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this is new York Times who claimed that Ronald Reagan

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had stolen the nineteen eighty election, in which he was

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a massive landslide because he had made a secret deal

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with the Iranians not to release the hostages until he

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became president. You know what I'm saying. So they will

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entertain revisionist histories to try to create paranoia about this stuff.

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So yeah, anyway, so I tried to explain this stuff.

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Maybe the fever has broken with this latest election. I

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don't know, We'll see. I still think that there's a

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culture of paranoia on the left. It has to do

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with aggressivism and stuff like that I explained in the book.

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I'll give you one more quick example, the Jewish question. Right,

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there's anti.

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Speaker 1: As it came out of my mouth, I was like,

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is that the phrase I want to use? You know

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what I mean? So obviously there's anti Semites on every

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all over the place, on infringe movements specifically, but there

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is rampant to anti semitism on the left, mainstreamed anti

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semitism on the left, and it's driven a lot by

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paranoia about Jewish power, about Jewish money, about apac about Israel,

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you know, and colonialism and all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you pointed out that anti Semitism exists in

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all different political contexts, because I hate when people act

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like it's a problem only with their political opponents. But

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I was talking with someone, a Jewish friend, who was saying,

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you know, yes, it's obviously it's everywhere, but it's not

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very well checked on the left, you know, So there

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are different places where it occurs and it needs to

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be dealt with. On the left, it's not really dealt

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with very well. And so you saw it even with

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the twenty twenty four presidential campaign where the Kamala Harris

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campaign was running. There's nothing wrong with this necessarily, but

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running different ads for different people in different contexts, sort

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of downplaying any support for Israel in one place and

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elevating elsewhere. Not being able to pick Josh Shapiro because

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he's Jewish. These things are not like if that again,

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if that were a Republican Party decision, it would have

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dominated the news, presumably.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Even Jewish Jewish Democrats are scared to say anything

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about anti Semitism on their side because they don't want

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to upset certain factions of their constituencies and that's a

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sad place to be. So anyway, I hope people will

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give it a shot. It's obviously available anywhere books are

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available and by to answer questions. Yeahs day if you can.

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It's a good day as any into it.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of conspiracy theorists, what do you think about

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Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzynski, the co hosts and married

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couple who run Mourning Joe on MSNBC. That was sort

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of ground zero for some of the most insane and

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deranged conspiracy theories over the last eight years, not just

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the Russia collusion hoax, but also all of these other

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things that people were saying, like this campaign cycle about

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Donald Trump going to be rounding people up and women

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needing to be scared. They recently, it was reported, went

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down tomorrow lago to sort of bend the knee and

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apologize and try to reshape their relationship which had once

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been quite good prior to the twenty sixteen election, prior

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to Trump getting the nomination, I should say, and they

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were trying to kind of reset the situation. What do

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Speaker 1: Well, in my book, I make a distinction between cynical

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First of all, I have no respect for them for

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even going back to Donald Trump in that way. I

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have no respect for them after what they did. But

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Joe is all over my book. He says the craziest things.

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He says journalists were going to be rounded up and executed.

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Mika not but two three weeks ago, said that Donald

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Trump had already began killing women. I think she was

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referring to the Amber Thurman story that Pro Publica ran

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about a woman who tragically died because of an abortion pill.

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about their Guess what is that historian's name, Michael something?

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Speaker 2: Wow, yes, I do, okay, but I forget his name.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, it's okay to forget his name. So he said

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that children were going to be rounded up in camps,

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that they would never be able to learn about the

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history of slavery of Donald Trump. Yeah, bechlass. So he

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so morning enjoyed a lot of these guests on spreading

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conspiracy theories and paranoia. So how do you I don't

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even know, I don't know. I guess i'd ask you.

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one day to the next and then go and try

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to meet with Hitler. I don't even understand how someone

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can rationalize or justify something like that.

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Speaker 2: It is better to walk away from your conspiracy theories

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than to stay with them. And I just want to

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mention this other thing I watched this weekend part of

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research for a book I'm working on, where there was

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a conference hosted by a people called Society for the

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Rule of Law, and it was started by George Conway

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and those types of never trumpers, so presumably left wing funding.

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where people were talking about what a threat to rule

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of law this second Trump administration will be. And I

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really interesting to me. I have a lot of disdain

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for people who were never trumpaloo radicals, but I didn't

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necessarily think they were stupid, and watching this panel, I

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was shocked at how unintelligent they were. So these are

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people like Barbara Comstock, George Conway, the once mighty judge

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Loutig who famously did not get picked for a Supreme

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Court slot under George W. Bush and then basically lost

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his mind. They were willing to believe any crazy conspiracy

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theory about Donald Trump, no matter how extreme. They were

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repeating things about how his family hates him and how

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Malania is divorcing him, and I'm not you know, who

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knows what the future will bring. But it didn't seem

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based in reality. They were whatever they'd heard, whatever crazy

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thing they'd heard on MSNBC they took as the gospel truth.

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And then there was this panel discussion with three former

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general counsels whit sorry, three former White House counsels. So

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one was Obama's guy, one was Al Gonzalez, you know,

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Bush's guy, and then also Don McGann, who was Trump's

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first White House counsel. And I'm kind of looking like,

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why did Don show up here? This is not a

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group that you should really be associated with, this crazy

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anti Trumpist group. But it was hilarious because as they

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were talking about things, the two Trump haters on the

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panel are saying, Oh, they're so scared and worried about

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the Department of Justice and what's going to happen under

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Donald Trump, who's promised to go after his political enemies,

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and Don McGann just very quietly and calmly keeps cleaning

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their clocks, pointing out, for example, that if you care

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about law fair, which you're claiming you do, you people

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just did law fair for the last four years and

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you probably elected Donald Trump as a result. It was

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a major issue during the campaign and people made a

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decision about it, and they hated Democrat law fair, and

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they did want someone who would clean up the Department

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of Justice. And it was interesting to see one person

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and Don mcghn's not like the world's biggest Trump fan obviously,

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but just to see one person pierce through the conspiracy

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theories of these other people and they had to kind

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of sit there and listen to it and deal with it.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of Scott Jennings on CNN. I love

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those clips of him, not only because he I think

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wins a lot of those arguments, but that quite often

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I think the things he says comes as a complete

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surprise to the other panelists, like they have never even

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heard this, Which brings me to my next topic. This

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cloistered way that the left deals with life. So have

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you heard. I'm sure you've heard about this Blue Sky

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thing where it's like a Twitter type site and all

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the leftists are supposedly going over there. So I made it.

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I made an account over there, and I took a peek,

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and it's amazing. They want to speak without anyone pushing

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back and listen. I know most people don't really want

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to argue all the time, but it is going to

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be one of these places where conspiracy theories are constantly

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reaffirmed by these people in their little siloed website, and

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it's going to get worse for them. I don't know

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how the rest of media will act, but these kind

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of like big never Trump accounts and leftist accounts I

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think are making a mistake. I try not to say

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anything because I heard they ban you if you say

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something they don't like. It's not a Twitter type place,

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like if I said there are only two genders, I

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would get banned apparently, So try to stay out of

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trouble just so I can see.

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Speaker 2: What you're centsoring yourself over on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 1: Well, I figure I'm not going to have any conversations

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with anyone. It's just more of me taking a peek

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to see what other people are saying. I try to

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keep up on all my opponents arguments so I can

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fairly debunk them if possible.

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Speaker 2: The only way I knew about Blue Sky was that

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there's people I wrote about this. Actually, I live in Alexandria, Virginia,

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which was the site of the shooting that nearly killed

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Steve Scalise and a bunch of other Republicans who were

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practicing baseball for the congressional baseball game. They were gunned

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down in my neighborhood. And then further jd. Vance is

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from Ohio, obviously, but it had a DC area residence

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in this same area, and my neighbors who all have

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signs like Kate has no home here and all these things.

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They ran campaigns to make jd. Vance and his wife

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and young children feel unwelcome in the neighborhood. I'm sorry

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this was on Blue Sky, and they coordinated on Blue Sky.

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That's my point is that I didn't really know about

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Blue Sky. I get overwhelmed with social media apps and

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so I had never really heard of it until some

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concerned neighbors explained to me that they were coordinating these

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these efforts to make Jdvans feel unwelcome and to organize

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protests in front of his kids and stuff like that.

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They were doing that over on Blue Sky, So it

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seems like a place where left wing authoritarians gather to

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coordinate efforts like that.

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Speaker 1: What's funny about it is that there are journalists there,

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so called unbiased journalists from Washington Post. I've seen in

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other places, and they lose themselves a bit there, you

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know what I mean, They lose themselves in the I

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think it would be a good story for someone to

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go over there, take a peek at some of the

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journalists that claim to be unbiased and see exactly what

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they're saying because they lose themselves. What I do is,

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whenever there's a new social media site, I always go

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there and make an account for myself just in case

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I don't want someone to take my name I guess,

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you know, or whatever, and then possibly send out ideas

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that are not mine to the masses or the few

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people follow me. So anyway, it's interesting. It's interesting if

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they want to remain siloed or if they want to

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engage in debate. And that's part of my book as well,

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not to always go back to this, but this whole

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thing where I start my book talking about myself and

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how I can no longer debate people on the left

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because they just accuse me of things. So if I

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and Donald Trump, they accuse your sedition. If you defend

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women's right to be safe in sports, they call you transphobic.

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If you know what I'm saying, there's no debate. It's

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always just an accusation. And all those accusations are driven

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by paranoid understanding of the world. So I don't know

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how Blue Sky's going to help with that. Do you

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want to discuss RFK and Matta? I think, yeah, yeah, you've.

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Speaker 2: Been out there. You've been out there critiquing RFK.

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Speaker 1: Junior critiquing I would call it just angry Twitter raging.

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Speaker 2: You would like me to phrase it that way, So

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take us through. So for the backstory, of course, RFK

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Junior was running for president, trying to run as a Democrat.

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The Democrat Party was not allowing anyone to run against

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Joe Biden, so he was running as an independent. He

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had this huge uphill climb to get on the ballots

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in all fifty states, did so, but still was getting

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iced out from any media discussions and so eventually surprises

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a lot of people by stopping his race and endorsing

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Donald Trump. And then he also campaigned with Donald Trump.

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And it was RFK and his team that did a

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lot to help to help Trump. Willian. It was not

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just bringing in a different type of supporter, including some

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Hollywood types, but also with the resources of his running

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mate Nicole Shanahan and her advertising team that made some

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really interesting videos. Because we're dealing with not just a

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victory for Donald Trump, we have this seismic mood shift

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in the country of openness and ability to say that

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you're a Trump supporter, something that hadn't happened previously. So

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it's not shocking that RFK Junior was rewarded for his efforts,

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but still some surprising that he was given the slot

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of HHS Secretary Health and Human Services. And this concerns

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you based on his track record of how he's talked

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about various things. So I just want you to kind

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of tell us what you're concerned about.

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Speaker 1: It's a very large topic. I mean, I am concerned

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about everything he says. First of all, I think he's

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a left wing authoritarian, a guy who listen people change

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their mind on issues. But he's an anti He was

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an He wanted to put people who were climate denies

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in jail. That's one thing. Another thing is that he

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is anti vaccine. Now. I understand what happened with COVID,

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and I understand people's anger about the COVID vaccine and

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how it was mandated and how it was pushed on people.

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But that doesn't mean that we have to tear up

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all the science of the last century and start from scratch.

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Because JFK, who has zero expertise in this issue, is

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a junior FK junior. Sorry, so for instance, only not

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that long ago. He speaks very differently in private and

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on podcasts and with people that record him than he

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does you know, publicly, which I guess every politician does.

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But he did say only last year that no vaccine

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is effective and no vaccine is safe, which is of course,

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nothing is completely safe, but it's just simply untrue. He

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he he believes our water causes people. He believes in chemtrails.

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I mean, he is just an unhinged, absolute nut who

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should not be near any government agency. Now everyone always

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thinks about his you know, his case for being healthier

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and of course, there's nothing wrong with being healthier, but

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the idea he calls every ingredient he doesn't like poison,

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which is just scare mongering. If you eat things in

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you know, occasionally, you're not going to die from it.

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He he is a nanny who wants to tell corporations

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what they should be doing, wants to tell pharma what

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they should be doing. He has no he has no

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scientific background for that. And he has no and he

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is the opposite you know, everything. He most of the

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things he believes are untethered from reality. I just don't

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even understand if someone like this can be put up

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for a serious position. The only reason he's there is

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because he endorses Donald Trump. Donald Trump doesn't care about

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you know. I mean, actually, maybe he dabbled into autism

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vaccines cause autism you know theory as well, but I

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think he stopped doing that once the report came out

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that that the that the study on that was fraudulent.

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I don't exactly know. But here's the last thing on

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this and why I think. You know, he's a personally

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not a good person either in my view, But it

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is vile to convince millions or hundreds of thousands of

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parents that they have hurt their own children by doing

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the right thing and inoculating them. And I find that

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how many people now are not going to do that

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and how many kids are going to suffer because of OURFK.

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I don't know, but it's if it's more than one person,

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it's too many. I guess. I don't know. I was

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all over the place because there's a lot for me

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to digest there with him. Do you like him? Oh? Also,

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he's a complete abortion fanatic. He said there should be

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no limits on abortion. And now we're going to put

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him in HHS, which is charged with Medicaid and Medicare

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stuff as well. He's a charge This is normal? Is

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this conservative?

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Speaker 2: So you just stole what I was going to say.

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some of his approaches on these other things. But my

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big issue is that, you know I just was talking about.

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I understand that you're going to reward RFK Junior with

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a with something for all that he did to help

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secure this election. That's how it works. But HHS has

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always been the prize given to social concerns for their

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work getting people elected, and that's because of what you

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just say. There's so many issues dealing with conscience, protections,

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abortion issues, trans radicalism, all these things that social conservatives

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such as myself care about a great deal. So I've

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been worried that the top guy is so pro abortion.

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It is my understanding that there's a possibility that top

476
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people at HHS will be pro life if it's sort

477
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of demanded, like people need to make sure that they

478
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get that, but that there might be some kind of

479
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arrangement put in place, which would be good. And I

480
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don't think he should be confirmed without that kind of

481
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agreement to not be hostile to effective appointees who are

482
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good on these topics, but on the other stuff, I

483
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feel also kind of in the middle, which is I

484
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hear I you need a lot of people who were

485
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:06,359
just so hostile to vaccines, big pharma, and I do

486
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agree that some of those things absolutely should be critiqued.

487
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I just think also they do great things. I mean,

488
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prior to a few years ago, I would have said

489
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vaccines were one of God's greatest gifts to mankind. Like

490
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when you look at some of the diseases that have

491
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been eradicated and how widespread they were and how harmful

492
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they were. I just get a little nervous when people

493
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:37,599
are reflexively anti vacs. They've done such great work for

494
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,119
so many people. At the same time, the vaccine schedule.

495
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As a parent, I remember going through it where you're

496
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
just getting vaccine after vaccine, and some of the vaccines

497
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680
were produced in ways that I had trouble with ethically,

498
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,400
and trying to manage it all with newborns and thinking

499
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,440
it through. It's just kind of seems a bit much times,

500
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And there's a difference between generally liking vaccines and thinking

501
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:09,160
that there's no room for criticism of how we approach

502
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these vaccines. And then likewise, I love that pharmaceutical companies

503
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,759
are motivated by profit. I think that's a really good

504
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:22,880
way to come up with great advances in medicine. It's

505
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:29,359
also true that their control over these agencies has been

506
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,880
awful and it can keep out effective treatments because powerful

507
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,319
companies do a really good job of writing regulations to

508
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hurt other companies. There are also sometimes ways in which

509
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pharmaceutical companies, because they're motivated by profit, which is a

510
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,440
wonderful thing, that they are more concerned about making profit

511
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than actually making people healthy.

512
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Speaker 1: Okay, Molly, listen, I have to calm down. I was

513
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,640
ranting a bit there about OURFK. I realized that I

514
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,440
have a lot to say. There's a column I've written

515
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if people are interested to see what I sound like

516
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,079
when I gather my thoughts. But I will say this

517
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,720
about big Pharma. Big pharma is big because it's the

518
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,000
only way to create life changing drugs. It costs billions

519
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,640
of dollars to bring a drug to market. It takes

520
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,599
a decade on average. It's very difficult. All the distrust

521
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,480
there is a big Pharma. Some of it is earned

522
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,920
by big Pharma, but most of it, in my view,

523
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:33,079
is earned by the public health officials who who lied

524
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,640
to people, who mandated they take something that wasn't didn't

525
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,359
go through that kind of rigorous process. I see a

526
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,119
lot of people online who are just now completely anti

527
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,319
pharma and not thinking about all the lives it saves,

528
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,319
all the pain reduction it provides, and the other things

529
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that it does, and it just drives me crazy. And

530
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I don't think RFK is a person who's going to

531
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,359
be tempered on that issue and help us get through

532
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,319
to the other side of this.

533
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Speaker 2: Okay, here's where I would like to kind of make

534
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,039
a defense of him when you take something like COVID,

535
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,759
which is the public health crisis that most people have

536
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,599
familiarity with, and we can all agree, no matter how

537
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,240
radically libertarian we are, I think that there was a

538
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,240
government role in the response for a global pandemic unleashed

539
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,920
out of the Muhan Institute of Rology, most likely, and

540
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,160
that was causing chaos throughout the world. And what should

541
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,359
have happened. The actual health prescription that should have been

542
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,480
issued from the government was basically, get outside and get

543
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,279
some exercise, be outside in the sun and move your body.

544
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:48,160
And there is no money to be made in that prescription,

545
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,480
and instead we spent who knows how much money on

546
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rushing a vaccine, which, by the way, I'm a big

547
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,759
fan of that. I actually think that governments should engage

548
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:04,319
in that kind of Manhattan Project style of approach to

549
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,440
tackling something the end result of which was not that

550
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:13,319
impressive vaccine that wasn't even what we would conventionally think

551
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,640
of as a vaccine, and people were not given the

552
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:22,720
right to resist this, They were fired, they were treated

553
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,920
horribly if they didn't want to take this experimental non

554
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,880
vaccine that we called a vaccine. They were kicked out

555
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,079
of the military, they were nearly kicked out of the

556
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,880
federal government. There was so much governmental pressure they censored

557
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:42,880
places like The Federalist permanently for hosting debates about whether

558
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400
this approach was the right way. I mean, it was horrible.

559
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,519
The idea of having someone who's critical of this in

560
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,480
as the head of the agency is a good thing,

561
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,519
I think, particularly given how impossible it will be to

562
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,720
change anything. You need someone that extreme to push back

563
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,000
against some of the insanity. The thing that made me

564
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:06,000
excited was the idea that Jay Bodicharia might be in

565
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:12,480
at NIH. He was horrifically treated for accurately noting the

566
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,599
profile of COVID as a flu style thing that should

567
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:19,400
be treated as such. And having someone who let the

568
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,199
science lead the way like he did would be great,

569
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I think.

570
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Speaker 1: But he has credibility. He has credibility and expertise and

571
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,039
doesn't have a history of being insane. The problem with

572
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,320
RFK is if you put someone in there to fix it,

573
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,760
they need to be a credible person. I agree with

574
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,840
everything you said before, I just don't agree he's the

575
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,599
prescription for it. I don't think you know anyway, I

576
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,480
don't know if he has the votes. I don't know

577
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:50,559
if you know, I don't know what's going to happen.

578
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 2: Well, actually, it's kind of interesting. I was just seeing.

579
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I don't think that cabinet appointments matter in terms of

580
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,480
public opinion, but I was just seeing that he's the

581
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most popular poly Tian in America right now, so that

582
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,440
might help him. Of course, the same interests that do

583
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,480
not want him at the head of HHS also are

584
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,280
big funders of the senators themselves, so they might have

585
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,840
more of a sway. We were talking about this because

586
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,039
when you were expressing criticism on X you were getting

587
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,559
all these people saying that you were in the pocket

588
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,760
of big Pharma, which you and I I think agree

589
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,559
that whenever we're told we're in the pocket of someone,

590
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,280
it would be nice if at least we were being

591
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,679
paid by those people.

592
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Speaker 1: You know, Like, yes, the funniest person. Someone asked me

593
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,480
what Big Cereal was paying me, what Kelos was putting

594
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:39,119
in my pockets?

595
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: You're like, can I get paid by Big Seal?

596
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,079
Speaker 1: I would love to be they pay me? And I said,

597
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:46,199
they pay me an all brand, which is very healthy,

598
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,480
has no ingredients other than bran all his his insanity

599
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,599
with scaring people. First of all, the two things that

600
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,039
everyone's mad about now are like we're with him, is

601
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,159
big pharma. We've gone through that. And industrial farming. There

602
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,519
are three hundred and fifty million people in this country.

603
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,679
If we didn't have industrial farming, you would all be

604
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,440
You think inflation is bad now if he had his way,

605
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,920
you'd be paying a ton for everything. And the idea

606
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440
that a person can't I'm trying not to get worked

607
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,039
up Molly rants again. I'm just saying, the idea that

608
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:29,920
a person can't be healthy in America today is insane.

609
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,079
You can, I keep saying insane. It is wrong. You

610
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:34,960
can go out there and you can be healthy. There

611
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,559
are plenty of things for you to buy. If the

612
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:41,199
beef talo versus seed oil debate is a really big

613
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,079
thing in your life, you're going to McDonald's too often.

614
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
There used to be this, There was this onion piece

615
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,400
once that had the headline was I wish someone would

616
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,400
do something about how fat I am. That is exactly

617
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,639
what make America healthy again reminds me of the government

618
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,639
cannot make you healthy. You can only make yourself healthy.

619
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,480
And I think we've lost this. People sound like nannies

620
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,360
again on the right. I just anyway that bothers me

621
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,960
as well. It's very calm there.

622
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,639
Speaker 3: As soon as Trump got elected, liberal cities tightened up.

623
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,679
The Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every

624
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,440
day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the

625
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,119
economy and how it affects your wallet. After Trump, on

626
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,239
Eric Adams stopped giving cash to migrants, a six person

627
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,559
household was receiving seventeen hundred dollars a week, while American

628
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,760
families ravaged by hurricanes were receiving a seven hundred and

629
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,159
fifty dollars FEMA. Check whether it's happening in DC or

630
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,119
down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

631
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Speaker 1: Be informed.

632
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

633
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,920
Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

634
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: Yes, people need to take responsibility for their own health.

635
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Also true that government programs, regulations, and subsidies have dramatically

636
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,599
affected what people are eating the way they're eating. And

637
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,119
this idea that when the government tells corporations what to do,

638
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:07,000
that that's some free market libertarian ideal is not accurate,

639
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:11,400
and so looking into some of these subsidies regulations, what

640
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,159
you can do, what you must do, what you you

641
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,280
know in no situation can do. We already are in

642
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,079
a tremendously regulatory environment as it relates to our food supply,

643
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,880
our system of farming. The idea that you're not allowed

644
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,039
to look at it at all or to change it

645
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,159
at all is a non starter to me.

646
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,199
Speaker 1: That's not what he's talking about. He's claiming, for instance,

647
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,119
that ingredients and fruit loops are killing Americans, and it's

648
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,079
when the ingredients he is talking about are completely innocuous

649
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:44,920
and he is in he is a conspiracy theorist about

650
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,559
that stuff. Now, there are a million options for you

651
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,679
not to have that kind of food. The idea that

652
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239
we need government to go in and make sure that

653
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,119
they're making fruit loops healthy for you, I think is

654
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,760
more than libertarian. It's just nanistic in a way that

655
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,920
I I don't think the market should be regulated.

656
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:07,199
Speaker 2: So you have a powerful friend in the New York Times,

657
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,400
which this weekend got very mad also at RFK Junior

658
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,800
for talking about the ingredients in fruit loops, and I

659
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,400
just want to read what they said. You'll probably agree

660
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,719
with this. Mister Kennedy has singled out fruit loops as

661
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,920
an example of a product with too many artificial ingredients,

662
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,880
questioning why the Canadian version has fewer than the US version,

663
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,119
But he was wrong. The ingredient list is roughly the same,

664
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,880
although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots,

665
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:40,320
while the US product contains red dye forty, yellow five

666
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,760
and blue one, as well as beutilated hydroxy two hydroxy

667
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,719
toluini or BHT, a lab made chemical that is used

668
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,920
for freshness according to the ingredient label. And people mocked

669
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,039
this by the way, they later had to correct it

670
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,239
because they had said that he was lying and he

671
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,480
had not been, but also just that paragraph itself, it

672
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,840
seemed like we're speaking in two different languages. There are

673
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,760
people who are reasonably concerned by the processing and refining

674
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,360
of ingredients that go into our food supply and people

675
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,599
who are like, Oh, if you don't like it, just

676
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,679
buy organic and with it.

677
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, not organic. There are plenty of Kellogg cereals that

678
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,519
are or other brand post cereals that are hell made

679
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,880
to be healthy. I think that was a silly fact

680
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,280
check though. Those ingredients that sound so horrible. Study after

681
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,039
study shows that they are not harmful. But that's fine.

682
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,559
You don't have to eat anything you don't want. But

683
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,880
the problem with RFK is it's not this one thing

684
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,159
or that one thing. It's a lifetime. It's a lifetime

685
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,360
of authoritarianism, a lifetime of being pro abortion, a lifetime

686
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,320
of bad decisions, really bad decisions, and a lot of

687
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,840
kookie stuff. And I think it's fair to talk about that.

688
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,519
So do you want to talk about this? Actually, first

689
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,079
let's talk about some other appointees. Did you want to

690
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,840
talk about Matt Gates or do you want to also want.

691
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: To talk about Matt Gates, although I'm open to others

692
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,239
if you want to talk about him as well.

693
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Speaker 1: So, I.

694
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Speaker 2: I have to say I have been surprised by these

695
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,159
cabinet picks and how aggressive they are with their given agency.

696
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,320
Tulci Gabbard at DNI when she's been the victim of

697
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:36,679
a variety of intelligence operations, Matt Gates as a g So, I,

698
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:42,199
like many Americans, think the Department of Justice is dangerously corrupt,

699
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,440
perhaps irredeemably corrupt, in the sense of it might need

700
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,079
dramatic action to change it in order to bring it

701
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,360
back to being a Department of Justice, but Matt Gates

702
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:54,920
as the nominee. I think it's fair to say it

703
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:59,519
shocked Washington d C. Shocked and appalled Washington d C.

704
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,519
Of all the people who don't have friends in Washington

705
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,920
d C, Matt GZ is right up there with Donald Trump.

706
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:11,119
You know, he probably surpasses Donald Trump. It's fair to say.

707
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 3: So.

708
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Speaker 2: It's just been interesting to follow that. What do you

709
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,360
think of him as the pick?

710
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,679
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's a terrible pick. Obviously. I don't

711
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:21,639
think he has any qualification for the job. And I

712
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,360
don't mean he needs to have gone and run an agency.

713
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,639
I just think the only qualification he has is that

714
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,920
he is loyal to Donald Trump, which should be part

715
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,159
of the equation, no doubt, and that he he wants

716
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,679
revenge on the Justice Department. Now that alone isn't a

717
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,840
problem for me either, But if you really want to

718
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,079
change things there, as people's claim, they would get a

719
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,159
far more competent person. He is a backbencher in the House.

720
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,719
He's never proven himself in any other way other than

721
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,880
taking down Kevin McCarthy for for some personal reason, not

722
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,159
for the good of the country or the good of

723
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,880
his party. So I don't really understand why what makes

724
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,079
him a good choice other than that he is has

725
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:13,679
the esthetic and attitude that you know, maga folks like,

726
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,800
and I'm not even against that. Let's talk about Telsea

727
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,960
gabbert for a minute now. I yeah, yeah, no, I

728
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:20,800
just wanted to make a comparison between the two to

729
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,280
explain why I don't like him. Telsa Gabberd is not

730
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,559
someone I agree with on foreign policy in a lot

731
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:30,000
of ways, Like I think she's too susceptible to defending

732
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,559
people I don't like. But here's the thing with her,

733
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,840
She served her country. I think she's a patriot. I'll

734
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,719
disagree with her, but I think she is a person

735
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,000
who is confident enough to have that job and to

736
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,920
move forward. I don't feel that with Matt Yates at all.

737
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:48,360
That's it, okay, So.

738
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,039
Speaker 2: First of all, it actually bothers me when people talk

739
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:55,199
about vengeance or retribution when people are pushing for justice.

740
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,679
So there's a difference between these things. We have a

741
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,559
department that has behaved horrifically and threatened the very existence

742
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,239
of the country. They ran the Russia collusion hoax, They

743
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,440
leaked like sieves against a duly elected administration. They did

744
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,440
it in a criminal way. They were, of course the

745
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,920
people who should have been investigating these criminal leaks, but

746
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,800
they were doing the criminal leaks. The level of mendacity

747
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,519
and sabotage is almost unfathomable. Take James Comy. Then FBI

748
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,159
had telling Donald Trump that there's credible intelligence that he's

749
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,840
controlled by Russia solely so he could leak that to

750
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,920
CNN and they could launch the Russia collusion hoax. They

751
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,119
all knew it was lies, they didn't care. They just

752
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,800
did it for years and they made people insane. They

753
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,559
made them believe in these conspiracy theories, and they were

754
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:52,360
in positions of trust. They were doing it about everyone,

755
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,360
to everyone. The Moler Probe which was designed to cover

756
00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:59,639
up what they had done and to further go after

757
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,920
the Trump administration. And then when Trump is defeated in

758
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:08,400
twenty twenty, they then start launching all of these ridiculous

759
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,079
attacks on him, legal lawfare attacks on him, and co

760
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,280
Op and helping other people, other Democrat prosecutors in New

761
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,480
York and Atlanta go after these people. They tried to

762
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,559
imprison and bankrupt and remove from the ballot their political

763
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:30,000
opponents and most of Washington, DC is like, yeah, so what, like,

764
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:34,039
what's your problem? And a lot of Americans are saying,

765
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,760
we can't have a country with this level of corruption

766
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,599
at the Department of Justice. But the idea that wanting

767
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:45,159
a department of justice instead of this corrupt bag of

768
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,880
injustice that we have, that that's retribution or vengeance instead

769
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,320
of justice. That's what I have a problem. It is justice.

770
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: I agree with almost every single thing you said there.

771
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,079
I don't disagree with any of that. None of that

772
00:45:58,199 --> 00:45:59,719
makes Matt Gates the right person.

773
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: But you said he wanted by cleaning these things up,

774
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,719
he wants injustice. You're saying no.

775
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,639
Speaker 1: Yon Musk says that one of the reasons he's there

776
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,800
is because he has an axe to grind. Those literally

777
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,079
his words, what does an ax to grind mean? I

778
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:13,800
don't want someone with an extra grind. I want someone

779
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,280
to fix it. When I say this, when I tweet

780
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,880
this out, people tell me, well, he's going to break things.

781
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,719
That's what we need someone to break things if you

782
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,719
also have to fix things, and there needs to be

783
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,920
a person who is competent to run this incredibly powerful organization.

784
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,559
Speaker 2: So the reason why people think that Matt gee. By

785
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,559
the way, I have no idea how far Matt Gates

786
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:36,280
will get through this process. I've talked with people who

787
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,320
say it won't be far. I've talked with people who

788
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,079
say he's that Trump is absolutely insistent that he make

789
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,239
it all the way through. I have no idea, right

790
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,159
But the reason why people are saying that Matt Gates

791
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,880
would have what's needed to do it is because most

792
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:56,000
establishment GOP of the type that would have the qualifications

793
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,440
that you want for this position, are nowhere near having

794
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:03,320
what it takes to go into this hornet's nest, and

795
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:08,679
they care way too much about their credibility, their future

796
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,039
earnings prospects, these types of things. Matt Gates has shown

797
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,599
himself to stand up against the Department of Justice already,

798
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:20,320
So this relates to I don't remember what year this happened,

799
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:24,079
but the Department of Justice did what it always does,

800
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,280
which is criminally leak details of an investigation in order

801
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,599
to harm political opponents. So they did that. As it

802
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,440
relates to Matt Gates, they said they were looking into

803
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:40,760
credible allegations that he had trafficked underage children for sex reasons.

804
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,440
Now that was a kill strike, like you can't say

805
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,239
that about someone and have them survive it. That is

806
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,400
the worst thing you can say about a man, right,

807
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,119
And Matt Gates had this reputation as being a ladies

808
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,159
man in DC, dating anything that moved while he was

809
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,800
a single person. He got married several years ago, but

810
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,480
prior to that, I mean, people kind of knew he

811
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:07,920
was a player. So it was like and that he's

812
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,360
a young man. He was a young man and he

813
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,320
was dating young women, and so this idea that maybe

814
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,920
it went into Epstein territory was easy to sell. And

815
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,039
Matt Gates responds immediately by going on primetime television and saying,

816
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:29,079
it's a damnable lie. Okay, he did not hide, he

817
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:31,800
did not avoid the press. He came out there and

818
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,840
he was like, that's false. Well, a couple of years later,

819
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:41,119
the same DOJ leaks again that it turns out that

820
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,400
he didn't do that. You know, they're like, well, the

821
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,039
two key witnesses lack credibility. By that time, the damage

822
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,639
was done. He's the butt of jokes about this because

823
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,000
people don't read or study, and so they're just kind

824
00:48:56,039 --> 00:49:00,280
of like joking. I saw National Review recently traffic in this.

825
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,639
They said something. It was a joke about how he

826
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:05,920
wouldn't make it through Senate confirmation and you would need

827
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,760
to count to fifty to get through, and they were like,

828
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,920
but he can't even count to seventeen.

829
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:13,559
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha.

830
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: We just accused someone of being a child sex trafficker,

831
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,880
aren't we funny? You know it's not funny. Actually, it's

832
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,719
a really horrible thing to do to someone without evidence.

833
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,719
And that's why people think he might be able to

834
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,559
take them on because everyone else succumbs to it, everyone

835
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,559
else falls to it other than basically Donald Trump, and

836
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,599
most people wouldn't be able to survive that level of

837
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:38,400
attempted character assassination.

838
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: I believe the presumption of innocent is innocence is incredibly important.

839
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,920
I think I don't know what to do with this,

840
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:50,199
but I do think that if the roles were reversed,

841
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:51,920
you would want to see the ethics report, just so

842
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,079
we can see if what's going on, if it's true,

843
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:55,800
if it's not, if people are credible, if they're not.

844
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,159
I don't know what's in it. I'm not going to

845
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,599
accuse the guy of doing it. Doing the things that

846
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:01,239
people go on.

847
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: Did you read did you read my piece?

848
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know you wrote a piece on it. I've

849
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:05,400
been a little busy.

850
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, Okay, I understand you're busy with the book coming out.

851
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

852
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's the deal, the ethics report. Okay, it's

853
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,000
all kind of convoluted, and I oddly enough have respect

854
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,760
and also disrespect for both Kevin McCarthy and Matt Gates

855
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,760
for their role in this. So it is believed that

856
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,159
Kevin McCarthy was a player in some of these allegations

857
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,920
being spread around, Okay, And Matt Gates I think definitely

858
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,480
believes that, and so when he did that and had

859
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,039
started I think he believes that Kevin McCarthy might have

860
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,280
been involved in starting ethics probes into Matt Gates. Matt

861
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,679
Gates being someone who is disliked on the Hill, not

862
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,400
just for his politics, but because you'll like call people

863
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,239
out for insider trading, including fellow Republicans, and he just

864
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,880
doesn't care. So he's won no friends. But Kevin McCarthy

865
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,719
did such a great job with his narrow majority in

866
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,960
the House of reaching out to everyone who didn't like

867
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,360
him and making them into a friend. Every single person

868
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,920
except for one, Matt Gates. We kind of just I

869
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,920
don't know exactly what the source of all this is,

870
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,960
but they just kind of had never gotten along. And

871
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,920
I think the team Gates thinks that Kevin McCarthy was

872
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,559
intimately involved in spreading some of these rumors and that

873
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:33,159
therefore Matt, you know, felt it important to take him

874
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:36,000
down and succeeds, as you note, maybe not for the

875
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,800
best of the country. That's a big point. At which

876
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,440
point then Kevin decides it's his mission in life to

877
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,199
destroy Matt and anyone else who was part of the

878
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,159
process to remove him from Speaker. And so they kind

879
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:51,400
of have this like it's not the best start to things,

880
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,519
but they both feel that their honor has been put

881
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,480
in doubt, and so they're going to war with each other.

882
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,320
But the ethics probe. What people want relief in this

883
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,559
ethics report are these claims that the Department of Justice

884
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:08,679
looked into and found lacking incredibility. And I say, David,

885
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:12,079
that if you were accused of raping a fifteen year

886
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,440
old or something like that and it wasn't true, but

887
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:18,880
that your enemy is put together all the information in

888
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,280
the manner that made it look like it was credible,

889
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,159
would you want that report released that hadn't gone.

890
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: Let me ask you. Let me ask you a few questions. One,

891
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,559
are you saying that the Republicans on this committee that

892
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,199
Kevin McCarthy is purposely framing met Gates for these actions?

893
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,440
And do you believe it's implausible considering a very good

894
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
friend of his was involved in this sort of thing,

895
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,440
that it's impossible that mac Gates could be involved in

896
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,360
this sort of thing. Okay, So it's not like a

897
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,079
Kavanaugh situation where you have someone just completely making something

898
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:51,920
up out of it.

899
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: Actually, no, the Kavanaugh situation would be far more credible

900
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:57,239
than this. And I wrote a book about how it

901
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,199
was not credible, okay, with Carrie Savarino. But in fact

902
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,320
it was more credible than this. So here's the actual

903
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,079
situation that happened. There was an elected Republican official in

904
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,360
Matt Gates's district. I forget his name. I think it's

905
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,400
Joel Greenberg or something like this. He ran for office

906
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,400
as the tax collector, which is a very unregulated type

907
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,519
position where you're literally just collecting millions upon millions of

908
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,119
dollars of taxes and then you can kind of control

909
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,440
what gets reported or not. So he apparently was skimming

910
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,199
millions of dollars from this But he was from a

911
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,480
prominent family in the region, a prominent Republican donor family,

912
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:40,960
and he was a Republican elected official, and he had

913
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,880
lots of friends who were down there, okay, including Matt Gates.

914
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:49,920
And he ends up he's currently serving a prison sentence

915
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:55,159
for eleven years. He was facing twenty six years, and

916
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,719
it was very bad for him. He had committed so

917
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,360
many different crimes that at his sentencing, Mark Caputo, who's

918
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,639
like a never Trump reporter at the Never Trump dispatcher

919
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:11,639
bule Work, one of those said this guy was the

920
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:16,119
most legendary criminal in Florida history, which I think we

921
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,559
know means something. I don't remember exactly how he put it,

922
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:22,039
but he was saying like the crime spree was unbelievable

923
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,079
and it involved everything from the skimming of the money

924
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,079
to one of the things he pleaded guilty to was

925
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,000
falsely accusing someone of sleeping with a minor. He is

926
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:38,320
literally currently in federal prison for making false accusations about

927
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960
I think a fellow Republican there.

928
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: This is the guy who was friend who is good

929
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,199
friends with Matt Gates, right, I mean, this is the

930
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,400
same guy, Okay, going.

931
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: So uh as so people he was a criminal mastermind

932
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,519
of a kind, although one who got caught fairly quickly.

933
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,639
But before this is going on, before he gets caught,

934
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,639
I think generally speaking, people didn't realize he was this bad. Okay,

935
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,519
then as it all starts unraveling, people are like, oh

936
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:11,280
my goodness, this guy is a nightmare and he's just

937
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,239
doing all sorts of bad things, including he was charged

938
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,239
with trafficking a minor, and so that situation is a

939
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,880
result of I don't know if that's technically what it was,

940
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,480
trafficking a minor, but here's the situation. This guy was

941
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,920
married with kids. He's since divorced, although his wife is

942
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,599
still funded by his family. Okay, so he was picking up.

943
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,719
So have you heard of sugar daddies and sugar babies?

944
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,199
Speaker 1: I know what they are, I think, so yeah, Okay,

945
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:41,559
So there.

946
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: Was a site I think it's called Seeking Arrangements or

947
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,480
something like that. So you have wealthy older men and

948
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,000
women who are willing to have sex and need money,

949
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,239
which sounds like prostitution to me, and you have to

950
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,559
be nineteen to register on the site. So he thinks

951
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,480
everyone there that he's paying for are the These are

952
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,199
all legal people. But it turns out that one of

953
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,320
the women that he gets involved with was lying about

954
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,719
her age and she was seventeen, okay, And so she

955
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,920
lived with this girl who was nineteen, and I think

956
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,480
they might even still live together like their longtime friends

957
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:18,320
and roommates. And so this is really what the question

958
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,559
is about. So as he starts going down, he says,

959
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,119
I need a pardon, and I know Matt Gates is

960
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,760
close to Trump, so he's going to get me a pardon.

961
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:33,079
And everybody explains to him that's not how pardons work.

962
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,039
You know, like you might be able to get a

963
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,239
pardon if you were friends with Donald Trump and you

964
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,199
had been wrongly accused or you had gone through something,

965
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,719
but like this, this is not where you get a pardon.

966
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,320
So everybody tells him, you're not getting a pardon, and

967
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,840
he says, well, if I don't get a pardon, you're

968
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,039
all going down with me. And he's like literally tells

969
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,559
someone he's in a holding cell with that he's going

970
00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:01,199
to frame people using evidence that they were friends against

971
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,239
them as if they were engaged in the criminal enterprises. Okay,

972
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,679
And so he does say, yes, these things about Matt Gates,

973
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,320
but also all these other people, some of whom have

974
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,400
filed defamation lawsuits, Like Matt Gates wouldn't do that because

975
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,639
he's a public figure, so you can't really get very

976
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:21,199
far with that probably, but these other people. So I've

977
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:25,559
read through these lawsuits and looking at the lies and

978
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:31,639
the deception. But the guy is in prison for lying

979
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:35,199
about one of his political rivals having sex with an

980
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,960
underage person. He pleaded guilty to doing that. And the

981
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,679
alleged victim here is his own girlfriend that he was

982
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,639
with for a while, whose lawyer he was also paying for,

983
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,039
and he admitted to that in texts. So when I

984
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:56,760
say these people lack credibility, I mean they really lack credibility,

985
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,480
and they're just engaged in some pretty and affair action,

986
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,760
so reporters, so when you say, okay, sorry, So the

987
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,039
Department of Justice then says, obviously these people are nightmares.

988
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,559
It's also reported that the two women in question, then

989
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:12,880
the former seventeen year old and the former nineteen year old,

990
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,199
their stories did not line up with each others. They

991
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,360
could not really tell a consistent or clear story about

992
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,079
what was going on. So DJ says, we're not indicting

993
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,840
on this obviously. Then the House Ethics Committee, according to

994
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,400
the New York Times a year later, says, you know what,

995
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,079
we think they're credible. We'll look into it. And they

996
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,360
bring these people in to tell the story, and now

997
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,920
they want to release that report. Do you honestly think

998
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:42,079
that's a good like that's a good way to do justice.

999
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: I think Matt Gates should be ag but it's not

1000
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:47,519
because of this.

1001
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:50,519
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think that's a totally legitimate, fair thing

1002
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:54,800
to say, but people do willing for information operations worries me.

1003
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: My main problem is I think he is more would

1004
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,760
be more loyal to Donald Trump that he would the Constitution.

1005
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,840
That's just what I think, and that's the reason I

1006
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,400
don't think he should be at the Justice Department. It's

1007
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,079
that simple. Maybe senators disagree with me, and that's fine,

1008
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,400
but you know, that's my main case. I didn't want

1009
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,239
to really get to you.

1010
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: Do you have any examples of him not being loyal

1011
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,760
to the content. I don't, because one of his claims

1012
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,199
to fame is that he actually is pretty principled as

1013
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:22,840
a conservative.

1014
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:24,679
Speaker 1: Was that his claim to Famby. I think his claim

1015
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:26,960
to FAMI I think he was unknown before he became

1016
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,920
a very big defender of the president. That's his claim

1017
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,920
to fame, don't you think.

1018
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 3: Well.

1019
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean, his time in Congress aligns with Trump's time

1020
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,719
as president, but he was a prominent member of the

1021
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:42,119
Freedom Caucus or Conference, whatever you call it, which are

1022
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:44,639
the people who are very principled about their approach to

1023
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:51,199
the Constitution. I think that if people want to talk about,

1024
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,719
you know, other things related to Matt, that's one thing

1025
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,079
Matt gates. But as far as this goes, that people

1026
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,199
should know their facts before they accuse Hi want of

1027
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,639
being a child sex trafficker.

1028
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: I didn't accuse him of anything. I just want to

1029
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,199
make that clearer. But I did I accuse him. I'm

1030
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:11,079
saying that in a hearing a confirmation here, which we

1031
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:14,400
should have by the way, on all these folks. It's

1032
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,519
a legitimate to put him on the under oath and

1033
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:18,719
ask him about it and have him deny it again

1034
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,599
under oath if he's going to be the top cop

1035
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:22,679
in the whole entire country.

1036
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: And the other thing I would say is that while

1037
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:32,880
I do think personal ethics are very important for cabinet officials,

1038
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,480
and that's something people should look into. It's also true

1039
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:47,000
that people's adherence to the values has been weaponized against conservatives.

1040
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,119
It's what you're referencing with the Kavanaugh confirmations and how

1041
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,639
it has affected people's looking at this and what they

1042
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,480
want now is an Attorney general who will stop DOJ

1043
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:02,039
destroying the country. That's what they want. They don't care

1044
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,280
so much about. I don't know who will be the AG.

1045
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,159
I don't know if it's Matt Gates or someone else,

1046
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:09,480
but the American people want the Department of Justice to

1047
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:14,440
be stopped before it destroys the country. That's the character issue.

1048
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,360
They're looking for is someone who is willing to stand

1049
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,719
up against them. And unfortunately, because of how powerful DJ

1050
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,119
is and the FBI are, that group of people who

1051
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,079
have the courage to take them on is extremely small.

1052
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,840
So whoever is AG, whether it's Matt Gates or someone else,

1053
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,199
they need to be aware of what's going to face

1054
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,480
them and do what's necessary to tackle it. I do

1055
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:40,599
want to see one other thing really quickly, which is

1056
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,840
the amount of outrage that people have for Matt Gates

1057
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:49,239
is so loud and so overwhelming relative to the outrage

1058
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,599
people have had as DOJ tried to destroy the country.

1059
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,360
Like most of DC was kind of fine with it.

1060
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:59,639
Even when they were bringing these ridiculous cases against Donald Trump.

1061
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:03,239
Most people in DC were like, well, this sounds very serious.

1062
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:06,039
One of the things I love about Will Sharf, who's

1063
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,599
going to be the staff secretary for Trump in the

1064
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,159
next White House. At a moment when everybody was coming

1065
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,599
out and so well, this seems very legitimate. He wrote

1066
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,199
a piece for us at the Federalist actually about all

1067
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,400
the reasons why that case was not legitimate. But it's

1068
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,159
like one of those to a thousand of the people

1069
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,199
who are just scared to take on the DOJ. And

1070
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,440
we need more of the Will Sharf types.

1071
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of cabinet picks and advisor

1072
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,880
picks of Donald Trump that are both loyal to his agenda,

1073
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:41,599
that believe in him and that are very competent and

1074
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,079
very smart. But some of them aren't. And I think

1075
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:48,760
it's okay to say that and to have confirmation hearings

1076
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:53,760
where Republican Senators ask tough questions of their cabinet members.

1077
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,760
I agree with you completely that the law fair and

1078
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,320
all of that is horrible, and I actually want to

1079
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,159
Justice Department that dispenses justice equally to all Americans, not

1080
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,920
one that becomes this politicized place, though of course we

1081
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,719
am I kidding, right, It's been politicized for decades, and

1082
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:19,199
maybe it's been politicized since since the beginning. So all right,

1083
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,760
let's move on from all this nonsense and talk about culture.

1084
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:29,599
I have three things I want to talk about right. One.

1085
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:34,000
I finished watching the show on Max called The Penguin

1086
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:39,199
Colin Farrell. I thought it was great. Actually, I mean, listen,

1087
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,719
it's not a family show. If you're violence and stuff

1088
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:46,719
like that. It's dark. It got really dark at the end.

1089
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,519
I don't want to spoil it. I want do you

1090
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:50,760
want to go back and forth? Do you want me

1091
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:51,480
to just do the three?

1092
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:52,639
Speaker 3: Go three?

1093
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:53,039
Speaker 2: Or three?

1094
01:03:55,239 --> 01:04:00,599
Speaker 1: I watched a documentary on the Elvis nineteen sixty eight

1095
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:03,519
special on NBC that was very famous. It was this

1096
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,920
comeback special. I'm into this kind of stuff. I was.

1097
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:10,599
I thought it was great. I was fascinated by it. Obviously,

1098
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:12,400
Elvis had his rise, and then he came back and

1099
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,239
did all those movies which kind of made him a

1100
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,639
joke and this, and then he had this special. And

1101
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:21,239
initially the special was going to be all tacky also

1102
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,239
with like all these numbers, but one of the producers

1103
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,119
had after the day was over, he would jam. Elvis

1104
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:31,000
would jam with his band in his in his uh

1105
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:34,920
in the back room. And one time a producer saw

1106
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,920
it and he was like, that needs to be the special.

1107
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,800
That needs to be the special. It's amazing, And that's

1108
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,760
what it was with some other numbers. And so this

1109
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,239
goes through that history of that and is really well done.

1110
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:47,199
Then I wanted to ask you, did you watch the

1111
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Mike Tyson fight a.

1112
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: Little bit.

1113
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: Now?

1114
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:58,519
Speaker 2: I watched on the bootleg Anthony Brown streaming because it

1115
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,239
wasn't I was working at that hour, even though it

1116
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,320
was late, and so I just kind of listened and watched.

1117
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,880
It went exactly as I thought it would.

1118
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:10,639
Speaker 1: I know me too. He's fifty eight year old man.

1119
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,119
I'm a fifty four year old man. I understand that

1120
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:15,400
you're not the same you were when you were young. Now,

1121
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,239
I was a teenager when he came up. I used

1122
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:21,039
to remember watching him on HBO. He would fight and

1123
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:23,400
the fights would last like a round or two, and

1124
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,199
he would decimate the opponent and it was very exciting

1125
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,480
to watch. And I don't think i've ever seen anything

1126
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:30,519
like that. I'm not a big boxing guy or anything,

1127
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,480
but just in sports in general, I've never seen such

1128
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,440
a domination. So when he lost to Buster Douglas, I

1129
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,199
think it was in Japan, it was like impossible to

1130
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,079
believe having seen what he had done. So I was

1131
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:47,039
not happy to see him in this fight being basically

1132
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:50,679
beat up by some young man who, from what I gather,

1133
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,360
doesn't really fight any good fighters. He used to be

1134
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,599
a YouTuber or whatever, Jake Paul let My. I think

1135
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:00,400
he could have knocked Mike Tyson out. I think the

1136
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,599
last two rounds he kind of held held back from

1137
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:09,559
really hurting him and it was just a money grab.

1138
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:11,679
And I kind of think, you don't want to sound

1139
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,679
like a frude or a prig, but I kind of

1140
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:16,159
feel like it was a money grab and kind of

1141
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,119
despicable to use an old man in this way.

1142
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,039
Speaker 2: I don't feel that way at all. I thought it

1143
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:23,159
was a wonderful evening. I thought it was unifying for

1144
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,800
the country. I thought it was fun to have a

1145
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,320
moment that everybody was kind of sharing.

1146
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: Did you watch the pre fight the fight before with

1147
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,880
the two women like the women. I don't like watching women.

1148
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,360
The crap out of each other.

1149
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe they should. There, you can cancel

1150
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:40,079
me for my views.

1151
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,119
Speaker 1: I agree it was very.

1152
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,519
Speaker 2: But in a way I think Sean Davis or so

1153
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:49,199
I think it was Sean Davis, but I can't remember,

1154
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:52,480
was saying that he almost wondered if Logan Paul hadn't

1155
01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:57,199
organized the whole thing as a way to give Mike

1156
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,480
Tyson like a glorious send off. You know, he got

1157
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:04,079
twenty million dollars. I thought Paul did a really good

1158
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:08,840
job of like doing the fight but being respectful, and

1159
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:11,280
I went it actually went better than I imagined. I

1160
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,280
thought it was going to be much messier. So people

1161
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,119
who were disappointed, I'm like, what did you think was

1162
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:15,719
going to happen?

1163
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,119
Speaker 1: But I like guess a lot of people in my

1164
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,079
generation just held that hope that Mike Tyson was just

1165
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:24,440
kind of like you can, as fifty year old man,

1166
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:27,719
that you can regain the power of youth and the

1167
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:31,039
strength of youth, but you can't. You can't. And so

1168
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,360
maybe it was just I was sad about it. Maybe

1169
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,679
that's maybe still my own reflection of my own mortality

1170
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,679
in what was going on. Right anyway, I liked it,

1171
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,800
But all right, that's it for me. You have anything?

1172
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I thought you had a third thing?

1173
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: That was three? It was the tight the Elvis thing,

1174
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,159
the penguin. Yeah.

1175
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,559
Speaker 2: The only other thing I wanted to mention was the

1176
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:57,320
UFC fight that Trump went to with Elon Musk and

1177
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:02,320
other people, and how it just very much feels like

1178
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,760
there's a cultural shift going on where the people who

1179
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,320
had almost like held the country hostage with their paranoia

1180
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,239
and fear and nervous breakdowns, that there's been some kind

1181
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,119
of break in that and people are just openly supporting

1182
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,279
the United States, and they're having fun with the silly

1183
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:24,279
Trump dance, and they're just having fun moving past the

1184
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,960
suppression of free speech and the thought control that has

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dominated not just politics but all of life for several years.

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So we'll see who wins. But I'm more hopeful now

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than I have been in a while. I remember eight

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years ago being on special report or something where Donald

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Trump had said that he thought it was wrong that

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Colin Kaepernick was kneeling, and I think everyone agreed that

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Donald Trump was evil for saying so he shouldn't say

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that about an American who has every right to kneel

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for the flag, and I think a lot of Americans

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were beginning to feel that something very wrong was happening

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with this attack on patriotism and hatred for America, belief

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that we're irredeemably corrupt and all these things. And it

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just seems right ahead of our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary,

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there's this return to loving America. That's nice to feel,

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and patriotism, I do think is a virtue and one

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that has been suppressed.

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Speaker 1: It does remind I think you're right. I think the

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fever broke in a way and almost that we're back

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to normalcy. You could in the past simply say you

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were a fan of a president and you wouldn't have

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to fear that you would be canceled forever. There was

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a yearning to return to some sort of normalcy. And

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the last thing I'll say about this election is here's

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I think that this was the normy election, that it's

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not an ideological election. Donald Trump is not even really

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a Republican in my view, in the eyes of many voters,

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that people just wanted to get rid of the social

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science quackery that was being shoved down their throats. It

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wanted to come back and be able to be normal,

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and Donald Trump was the normal candidate, and I think

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that's good for America. Even if you don't like Donald Trump,

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I think it's good for America. So anyway, I tried

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to end on a positive note, Molly, because I'm such

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an e r on everything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I look forward to next week when we

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hear how everything went with this week's book launch, and

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I just want to remind people to go ahead and

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buy David's book, and today would be a good day

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to do that.

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Speaker 1: I would be, of course, very appreciative of that. Thank you, Molly,

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thank you everyone else, and we'll be back next week.

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Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.