WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.640 It's Night with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:07.240 I'm Deeli Feazy Boston Video All. 3 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.160 I thank you very much, Dan Watkins, and did we 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:13.919 could move it at the ten o'clock hour here, And 5 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:17.839 I want to welcome back a guest that we had. 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.960 Gee was just a couple of weeks ago. We were 7 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.920 talking about suicide, and I thought the guest was so 8 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:30.320 interesting and informative that I asked him to come back 9 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.920 and so let me We re welcome, I should say 10 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.640 to the night side audience, my guest tonight talking about suicide. 11 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.600 His name is Nazar Yashen. He's the founder of a 12 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:47.520 holistic mental health app called soul s o l about 13 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:50.280 the importance of mental health and how to tackle this crisis. 14 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:52.000 Welcome back, Nazar. How are you. 15 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:56.679 Hey, Dan, It's so good to be back. Thank you 16 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:57.640 so much for having me. 17 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:58.200 Well. 18 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.280 I found you to be really interesting guest, and I 19 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:06.560 felt that the information that you provided and the perspective 20 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.920 that you provided needed more than just a relatively brief 21 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:16.040 interview during our eight o'clock hour. And the statistics that 22 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:22.280 you presented is frightening. That suicide rate in the United 23 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:26.040 States reached a record high in twenty twenty two, as 24 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.519 we were coming out of the COVID crisis, but believe 25 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.599 it or not, it even rose higher last year when 26 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.239 fifty thousand Americans took their lives. If you just focus 27 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.840 on that number, fifty thousand may look like a relatively 28 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.680 small number in the perspective of say, I don't know 29 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.959 a country that has three hundred and thirty million people, 30 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:55.200 but fifty thousand would fill Fenway Park, the home of 31 00:01:55.239 --> 00:02:00.760 the Red Sox, you know, overflow it. I mean, it's 32 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.879 a huge number of people who are taking their own lives. 33 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.599 And so let's start off with the broad question what's 34 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:07.120 going on. 35 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.280 Yeah, it's such a tragedy, and it's a really broad 36 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:18.039 based tragedy sadly that has been unfolding, you know, over 37 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.400 many years, but that has been really accelerated by the 38 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.560 COVID pandemic. And you know, a few behaviors that got 39 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.479 accelerated during the pandemic. You know, when you really kind 40 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.560 of back up and look at what's going on, you know, 41 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.759 suicide is now more prevalent than homicide, if you could 42 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.199 believe that, And so, for the first time in the 43 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:43.520 entire history of our species as humans, we take our 44 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.439 own lives more than we kill each other, and of 45 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:48.759 course killing one another is not good by any stretch 46 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:51.439 of the imagination. But you know, throughout history there been 47 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:55.639 wars and things like that which perhaps help to explain 48 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.840 some of that behavior. You know, now we're killing ourselves 49 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.960 more more more than we're killing one another. And it's 50 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:06.080 really bizarre because when you take a step back and 51 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:10.039 look at our species as a whole, you know, we 52 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:13.719 are richer now than we've ever been. We live longer, 53 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.919 thanks to advances in medicine and healthcare, than we've ever lived. 54 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.840 We are ostensibly more powerful. 55 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:22.240 Than we've ever been. 56 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.039 Right, we have all these smartphones and AI and all 57 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.280 sorts of you know, things that we can use to 58 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:32.840 do things bigger, faster, better. But we're unhappier than we've 59 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:37.560 ever been. And you know, the main culprits really for 60 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:43.240 this increase and unhappiness, you know, have really led to 61 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:48.759 us feeling less purposeful and less connected to one another. 62 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.319 You know, we spend a lot less time in personnel, 63 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.000 a lot less meaningful time, and the two main drivers 64 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.439 of that, which really got accelerated during the pandemic are 65 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:00.479 social media and work. 66 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:01.479 Right. 67 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:07.159 Isol you know, isolation is really the the umbrella term 68 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.120 for what you're talking about. There, people feel less connected 69 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:11.199 to other people. 70 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:16.759 And so the suicide pandemic is not different than the 71 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.600 loneliness pandemic that you hear people talking about. 72 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:21.680 Right, we use a lot of different terms. 73 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.839 We're all trying to come to grips with this change 74 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.319 in how we're behaving and this change in our underlying happiness, 75 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.079 and so we're we're kind of grasping its straws and 76 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.279 trying to figure out what's the right way to describe this. 77 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.759 And you know, some people described it as a loneliness pandemic. 78 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:39.399 Other people you described it as a suicide epidemic. And 79 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.000 these are all related to the same underlying cause, which 80 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:47.360 is that we are feeling less purposeful and less connected 81 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.560 than we were before. And it's ironic because we have 82 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.639 all these technologies that you know, you'd think allows to 83 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.480 be more connected than ever before, right, like social networks, 84 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.199 like you're connecting, you have tons of and you know, 85 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.600 tons of people that you're connected with, but the quality 86 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:09.360 of those connections is you know, what's really what's really lacking. 87 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.920 The other statistics that i'd like to point out, just 88 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.959 to kind of put this in perspective. You talked about 89 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:19.560 the fact that there are now more suicides in the 90 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:25.120 US than there are homicides. We hear about homicides every 91 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.399 day of the week, depending upon what part of the 92 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:31.720 country we live in. But there are also more suicides 93 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:36.600 than automobile deaths. There are about thirty thousand people who 94 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.439 die in automobile crashes around the country. And we have 95 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.920 spent billions and billions of dollars on car safeties, you know, 96 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:50.360 better braking systems, you know, bags that will prevent us 97 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:51.160 from going through. 98 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:52.480 The windshield and a car crash. 99 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.360 Have we spended any amount of money, I guess we've 100 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.639 expended money on mental health resources. But it has improved 101 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.879 much great results. If that suicide rate continues. 102 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:09.720 To go up, yeah, for sure. You know it's mental 103 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:14.439 health has really only recently, relatively speaking, you know, entered 104 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:18.959 a public discourse. It used to be so stigmatized. You know, 105 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.360 the idea of going to therapy, you know, just ten 106 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:26.399 years ago, was not something that you would admit to readily, 107 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.600 or most people would not admit to readily. And now 108 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.759 it's becoming less stugentatized, which is really good because you know, 109 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.600 the reality is is the same way that you you know, 110 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:40.360 to improve your physical health, there are certain activities you 111 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.240 should do. You should you know, have a decent sleep 112 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.720 schedule and do some you know, exercise and eat reasonably. 113 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:50.000 And to have good mental health, there are also certain 114 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.519 things you should do and the same way that you 115 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.839 go and see a doctor and maybe have you know, 116 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.360 a fitness instructor or a coach or something like that. 117 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:01.040 From a physical health perspective, well, you know, mental health 118 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:06.199 practitioners by the same function for for that aspect of 119 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.759 your of your well being. And so it's it's incredibly important, 120 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.720 and it's really good that it's far less stigmatized today 121 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:14.959 than it used to be. But there's still more, there's 122 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.720 still more work to be done. To your point, I can. 123 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.519 Remember when there was a US Senator named Thomas Eagleton 124 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.879 who was nominated by the Democrats were about to be 125 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.079 nominated as a vice presidential candidate in nineteen seventy two, 126 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.040 and it came out that he had sought some help 127 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.600 from either a psychiatrist or a psychologist, and he was 128 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.680 dumped from the ticket to be potentially the vice president 129 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.360 of the United States because it was seen as some 130 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.639 sort of a flaw that he actually sought some help 131 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.920 for what, you know, whatever the personal issues are. Thank 132 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.040 God that we were long past that. But I want 133 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.079 to continue. I got to take a break. I want 134 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:58.839 to continue to talk about suicide and how why is 135 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.360 it more prevalent today? And we talked a little bit 136 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.680 obviously about social isolation, but I want to drill. 137 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:06.199 Down in that. I also want to drill down to 138 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:07.639 find out if there are. 139 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:14.240 Any breakdowns between men and women, young and old, different minorities, 140 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:18.079 who you know, if there's any anomalies or as each 141 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.240 group of Americans committing suicide at the same rate. So 142 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.839 we'll talk about that. My guest is Nazzar yasin Uh. 143 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.399 He is a He has a mental health app called Soul. 144 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.639 I want to talk about that, and I also want 145 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.639 to hear whatever questions you have. As I said, I 146 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:38.639 interviewed Nazarre during an eight o'clock hour but a week 147 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:40.799 and a half ago, and I just felt that it 148 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:45.279 would be important to make him available to all of 149 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.320 my listeners, So please take advantage of this opportunity. Six one, seven, two, 150 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.840 four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten 151 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.360 thirty Back on Night Side right after these messages. 152 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.320 Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World 153 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.559 night Side Studios on w b Z Teams Radio. 154 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:10.080 My guest is mental health expert Nazarre usine really quickly, 155 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:11.679 and I do want to get to phone calls, but 156 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.320 let me just if I can see if there's a breakdown. 157 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.960 Is there any disparity either on gender, race, age? 158 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:26.000 Is there a group of Americans who are committing suicide 159 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.879 at a higher rate or at a lower rate than 160 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:30.080 you might expect. 161 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.399 Yeah, you know a lot of the statistics out there 162 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:40.399 focus on, you know, completed suicides, and you know, I 163 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:44.039 think the most relevant thing to be measuring is actually 164 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:51.879 attempted suicides, right, because that's really indicative of the underlying problem, right, 165 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.879 And you oftentimes have people these are cries for help, 166 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.360 you know, quite candidly when somebody cants a suicide, even 167 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.679 if we're not sussful at it, you know, quote unquote 168 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:06.600 successful at it, you know, and and looking at looking 169 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:08.799 at the world through that lens, you do see that, 170 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:14.559 you know, women are more likely to attempt suicide than men. 171 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:20.360 And the biggest growth in suicide attempts is amongst you 172 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:26.799 young people and particularly young women. And you know, there's 173 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:34.799 there's some evidence that this is correlated with social media usage, 174 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:39.480 and and when you think about it, it makes sense, 175 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:44.519 right because you know, young people, I mean all of 176 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.799 us spend some time on social media. It's where we 177 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.879 connect with friends and stay in touch with people and 178 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.600 things like that. But if you're a young person and 179 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:55.879 you're on social media and you have to be there, 180 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.200 you know, we're we're my wife and I are parents 181 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.320 of two to young teams, and you know, our kids 182 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.200 kind of have to be on some social media otherwise 183 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.759 they're left out of their peer group. But while they're there, 184 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.440 they're bombarded with a lot of really negative signal, right, 185 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:19.360 and all that signal just communicates to them that they're 186 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.600 just not good enough, really, And that's the message that 187 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:27.360 a lot of teams, particularly female teams get on social media. 188 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:30.960 Is you might feel like you're looking particularly pretty, stay, 189 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.639 you might feel like you're having a good day. You 190 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.360 might feel like you're doing really good in your classes, 191 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.360 or you're learning some cool stuff, and then lo and behold, 192 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.879 while you're on Instagram, while you're on TikTok, there's a 193 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.559 bunch of people who are prettier, you know, having a 194 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.440 better day than you eating a fancier restaurants or in 195 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:53.120 nicer locations and doing cool tricks that you don't know 196 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:54.759 how to do, or cool dances that you don't know 197 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.679 how to do. And so you come away from that thinking, man, I. 198 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:58.720 Thought I was having a good day. 199 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.200 I thought I was looking for I thought I was, 200 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:05.480 you know, doing pretty well and learning some interesting stuff. 201 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.600 And I guess it's just not good enough. 202 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.559 And that's that's kind of the message that you know, 203 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.159 teens and younger folks get when they're on social media 204 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:19.200 while they're just they're trying to engage with their friends. Really, 205 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.799 you know, they're getting that message in the background, and 206 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.519 so so you know, that's that's likely one of the 207 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:31.159 causes of this sad increase in suicide attempts that we're seeing. 208 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.600 As a parent, and you're a parent of teenagers, my 209 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:42.240 understanding is that suicide is not uncommon amongst teenagers and 210 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.440 and and I'd love to focus on that for the 211 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.440 parents in the audience. Why is that Obviously teenagers were 212 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.720 a time of a lot of confusion, but there are 213 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:56.960 also time for I think great dreams and hopes and aspirations. 214 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.919 You have your you know the phrase you have your 215 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:04.240 whole life in front of our teams more susceptible to 216 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:10.639 suicidal impulses than people who are in different other age brackets. 217 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.360 You know, I suppose from a biological perspective, the answer 218 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.240 is no, right, I mean, like you said, it is. 219 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.679 You know, there's nothing biologically that would make a team 220 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:29.240 more susceptible to suicide. The issue is, and this is 221 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:33.600 the issue with suicide in general, is it's really correlated 222 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:39.559 to these emotions of feeling purposeful and connected to something 223 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:44.080 that's meaningful, and the same part of our brains, the 224 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:48.440 varietal cortex in our brains, you know, acts like it's 225 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.000 like a two sided coin, right, And you know, on 226 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.279 one side of that coin, the same part of our brain. 227 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.919 If we feel purposeful and connected, we tend to feel 228 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.120 fulfilled and happy and healthy. If we don't feel purposeful 229 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.519 and connected, that part of your brain actually shrinks. And 230 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:10.559 you know, when that part of your brain is is shrunken, 231 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:15.159 you tend to feel more depressed and anxious and addicted. 232 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.679 You know, incidents of addiction increases and incidents of suicide 233 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.600 increases by a factor of you know, sixty to eighty 234 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.759 percent higher. When when that part of your brain is 235 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.240 is is not exercised really when you're not feeling purposeful 236 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.399 and connected. And so, you know, the issue seems to 237 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.279 be that young people are just feeling less purposeful and 238 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:42.159 less connected to something meaningful these days. They're adrift, they're lonely, 239 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:46.120 they feel like they're not good enough. They are valuing 240 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.960 themselves based on how they look and what they're wearing 241 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.600 and a lot of other things like that rather than 242 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.120 on their inherent on their inherent worth as an individual, 243 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.720 as a human. And so, you know, we built this 244 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:03.679 kind of sixth sidal machine, you know that's been amplified 245 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:08.399 by social media that reinforces you know, that dynamic and 246 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:10.720 so so this is this is not like a natural 247 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.919 biological thing by any streatch of imagination. 248 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:15.679 This is a. 249 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.000 Yeah, go ahead, No, I just. 250 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.360 Think I'm sure that no parent. 251 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:28.000 Wants to even think about the possibility of their teenager 252 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:32.480 taking his or her own life, but we know that 253 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:37.679 it happens. I have the warning signs that parents can 254 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:42.440 be on the lookout for for for teenagers who might 255 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:47.480 might be inclined for whatever reason, uh and out of 256 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.559 an active disperation to not share it with their parents, 257 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.879 but to I mean to me, it's the you know, 258 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:59.759 it's it's the ultimate fear of any parent, the idea 259 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:02.159 of a parent burying a child. 260 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.759 That it's not supposed to happen that way, it's unnatural. 261 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:07.840 And you do know that there are a lot of 262 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:13.000 teenagers who every year die in automobile accidents, and it's 263 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.559 oftentimes three three or four, three or four at a time. 264 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:21.039 But are there any signs that parents should be looking 265 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:24.840 for or is it just the contrary and that the 266 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:28.000 people that the teenagers who decide they want to end 267 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.240 it are going to make sure that they don't tip 268 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.360 off to their parents what their what their plan is. 269 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.639 Well, Dan, I think I think you framed it so well. 270 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:43.039 And the same way that you know, the best way 271 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:47.639 to prevent your team from having a car accident is 272 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.279 to prepare them before they get in the car alone. 273 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.039 Right while you're there with them, you're telling them how 274 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.039 to drive and how to pay the attention to other 275 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:01.440 drivers and to not drink. And you're spending time with 276 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.720 them preparing them for the day that you hand over 277 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:06.799 the keys to them to drive it by themselves. And 278 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.640 that is the best thing that you can do to 279 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:12.920 prevent you know, a tragic car accident, and it works 280 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.640 the same with you know, things like suicide. There are 281 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:17.880 things that we can do. The good news is there 282 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.200 are very clear things we can do to help our 283 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.319 teams and to help ourselves not feel anxious and depressed 284 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.720 or suicidal. And you know, there's a really three things 285 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.839 that you could do, and they're all about fostering a 286 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.720 greater sense of purpose and connection. The first thing that 287 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.960 you can do is to really try to better understand 288 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.960 your own thoughts and emotions. Help your son or daughter 289 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.279 better understand and process their own thoughts and emotions. And 290 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:54.400 this can be done through very concrete activities like meditation 291 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:59.359 or journaling, or art or music or physical exercise. All 292 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:04.039 of these things are ways that they can process and 293 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.079 understand their own thoughts and emotions. 294 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:07.240 That's number one. 295 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:12.680 Number two is is to help them connect meaningfully with 296 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:16.240 other humans around them. And this is through I'm not 297 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.000 talking about spending more time on social networks. I'm talking 298 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:23.319 about doing acts of kindness or compassion or empathy or charity. 299 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.680 Go volunteer at Soup Kitchen and have your kids join you, 300 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:32.640 and the act of helping other humans is an amazing 301 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.759 way to foster a greater sense of purpose and connection 302 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:41.079 with somebody. Number three is try to reinforce some sense 303 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.440 of connection in them in something bigger than themselves. This 304 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.839 could be spending time in nature. This could be just 305 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:54.960 expressing gratitude on a regular basis. This could be religious 306 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.640 rituals if you're in a religious oriented family. This could 307 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:05.000 be again volunteering for you know, good causes like human 308 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:07.799 rights or assess those are. 309 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:12.400 All great ideas. My guest is a Nazar Yasin. He 310 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.200 is a mental health expert. He has an app called Soul. 311 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.279 I want to talk about that, but I also want 312 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.119 to give you folks a chance to talk. Most of 313 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:24.440 you out there know some family that has been touched 314 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.920 by suicide. So this is your opportunity to answer ask 315 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.440 whatever question you want of somebody who deals with it professionally. 316 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.359 As I mentioned, he has been a guest of mine 317 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:39.960 during the eight o'clock hour, and I specifically wanted Nazar 318 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:44.000 to join me during one of our hours with phone 319 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.319 call phone opportunities. Phone call opportunity, So I'm going to 320 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:48.720 give you the number. We're going to break away for 321 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.079 news and we'll be right back. Six one, seven, two, five, 322 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:56.160 four ten thirty six one seven nine thirty. I've got 323 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.079 some open lines. Feel free to join the conversation. This 324 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:03.240 is so important and again, we don't deal with issues 325 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.839 like this a lot, but this is one that I 326 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.000 feel is really critical, So feel free to join us. 327 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.920 There is no question that would be a dumb question here, 328 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.640 because whatever your questions are, I think Nazarre will have 329 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.640 an answer which might not only help you but help others. 330 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.000 Back on Nightside, my name is Dan Ray. We will 331 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:23.680 be back right after the news at the bottom of 332 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:24.079 the hour. 333 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:31.920 It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 334 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.880 Doah mcguest is bizarre You seen mental health expert? He 335 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.759 has a an app easy to find. I assume that 336 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.960 you just download the app. It's simply s o L. 337 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.839 Is that? Am I reading that correctly? 338 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:50.519 Yeah? 339 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:51.039 You got it. 340 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:51.400 Yeah. 341 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.119 If you search for Soul on the App Store or 342 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.519 on the Google Play store so o L, you'll you'll 343 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:01.079 find us there and can download the app. 344 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.160 Is there a double on taundre soul? I think of 345 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.519 soul so o L as as the sun? What what 346 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:12.920 is the is it an acronym? Tell us the background 347 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.920 of of how how this was named? 348 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:16.880 Yeah? 349 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.000 You know, it's it's uh, there's no acronym, but it's 350 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.200 you know, kind of a cute word that means many things, 351 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:27.000 including sun like you mentioned. You know, it's also uh, 352 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:31.519 you know do re fa sol I's a musical uh term. 353 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.000 It's refers to the length of the day on any 354 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:38.440 other planet in the universe besides Earth. And so there's 355 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.240 a lot of fun meaning that, you know, just help 356 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.079 you feel this, hopefully, you know, help you feel a 357 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:46.279 little bit brighter and a little bit more connected to 358 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:48.880 something bigger than yourself when you when you hear the word. 359 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:50.400 And so that's the whole idea. 360 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.240 Of one the app excellent. Let's go to the phone. 361 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.079 It's gonna start it off with Jack and Newton. Jack, welcome, 362 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.240 you were first tonight with my guest this hour. 363 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:06.960 Naja, Yes, yeah, Jack Porter. I'm a sociologist and one 364 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.839 of the classic books was Suicide by Emil dirkhim. 365 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:13.200 But he. 366 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:18.039 Hello, yep, we're right here, Jack, we're just listening right ahead. 367 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:23.480 His findings one hundred and twenty five years ago actually 368 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:26.079 were different, a little different than yours. He said that 369 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:31.079 older people committed suicide more than youngers, men more than women, 370 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:36.920 and Protestants more than Catholics and Jews. Basically because they 371 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:43.759 were Protestants, were isolated, They depended on their own abilities, 372 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.599 and if that those broke down, they blamed themselves more. 373 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:55.759 But Catholics and Jews had stronger family ties and kinship, which, 374 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.680 as you pointed out, is so important. But now you're 375 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.000 pointing out different than Dr Khime, And it's the young 376 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:06.079 people with so much pressure on them to succeed by 377 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:10.440 their parents and everybody, and if they don't live up 378 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.559 to it, you know, they can commit. 379 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.160 What's your question? What is your question? Jack? And I 380 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:16.279 know there's a question here. 381 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:22.480 Well, the question is that maybe it has the suicides 382 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:27.680 rates changed since you know, Emil Durkhime's time, and now 383 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:31.359 it's younger people more than older people committing. 384 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:34.440 Okaysical you said that the book you're referring to was 385 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:36.640 written one hundred and twenty five years ago, so it 386 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.279 should have been the would have been the turn of 387 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:39.880 the twentieth century, nineteen. 388 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:44.359 Hundred, Emil Dirkheim. Everybody's read it in sociology classes. 389 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:47.400 Okay, just trying to place the time you said one 390 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.279 hundred and twenty five years ago, Jack, I'm not a sociologist. 391 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:51.279 I've never read his book. 392 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.799 I'm saying there may be some people in my audience 393 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:56.279 also who are not sociologists and haven't read his book. 394 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.240 It's a it's a book that was written you said, 395 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.599 one hundred and twenty five years ago. I'm enough of 396 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.440 a mathematician that would take us back to about nineteen hundred. 397 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:08.720 Right, Well, it's a cross book. I'm sure. 398 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.440 It's kind of a simple question. Jack, Let's let me 399 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.000 get I'm not sure why you're fighting me in the question. 400 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.880 I'm simply trying to place it chronologically around nineteen hundred, 401 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:22.119