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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendywall Show on KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. We spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time on the show talking about motherhood,

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<v Speaker 1>all the various complication, complic complicated emotions, the feelings that

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<v Speaker 1>people have around something that you know, I've said it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a hallmark holiday, but it's a time

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<v Speaker 1>for us to really talk about motherhood and everything it

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<v Speaker 1>has entails. And I always say, you know, mothers can't win.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, whether you do the right thing or don't

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing, you get blamed for everything. My

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<v Speaker 1>next guest is not only a psychiatrist, but a mother

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<v Speaker 1>of two and one of her daughters was born with disabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to welcome doctor Eva Ritfo to the show. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Eva, how are you Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful to hear your voice, especially on Mother's Day

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<v Speaker 2>exactly now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know when one is about to become a mother

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<v Speaker 1>and they're full of expectations and then something happens and

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<v Speaker 1>their baby may not be this perfect child or I

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<v Speaker 1>know you'd argue with me about what is perfection, but

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<v Speaker 1>a child that might have physical or mental disabilities. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you share us a little bit about what happened to you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was your firstborn, right, yes, it was my first born,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter. I was finishing my psychiatry residency and she

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<v Speaker 2>was born and we thought everything was great. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we moved down to Florida where I was starting a

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<v Speaker 2>job on the faculty at University of Miami, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the couple weeks of transitioning, my sister, who was training

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<v Speaker 2>as a pediatrician, came down to visit and she's I

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<v Speaker 2>said to my sister, oh, well, we can already tell

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to be right handed because she hasn't used

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<v Speaker 2>her left hand as much. And my sister was smart

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<v Speaker 2>enough to be like, what, that doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>This goes back a long way. So you weren't just

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<v Speaker 2>looking everything up on the internet, right, So we called her.

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<v Speaker 1>And this baby was only two weeks old at.

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<v Speaker 3>This point, your daughter, No, she was six months.

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<v Speaker 1>Six months.

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<v Speaker 2>She was six months. Yeah, she was six months. So

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<v Speaker 2>we had a beautiful, uneventful six months minus the colic,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know lots of people have that. That wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>much fun, but we got through the colic. Turned out

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<v Speaker 2>she was allergic to breast milk. Go figure so well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we took it took a while to sort that through,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, it was definitely not a very easy start,

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<v Speaker 2>but we got through that.

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<v Speaker 3>We moved down to Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister made the comment, I didn't even have a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor down here, so found a pediatrician.

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<v Speaker 3>Went in and I got to tell you, Wendy. Even

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<v Speaker 3>though it was thirty plus years ago, I remembered.

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<v Speaker 2>The phone call like it was yestvay and I stick

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<v Speaker 2>to my stomach thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He was terribly rude, told us you know.

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<v Speaker 2>His name, and said, you know, well, your daughter has

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<v Speaker 2>a hole in her brain and he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Never going to be normal.

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<v Speaker 2>And we ran what because we just thought she wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>moving her left hand as much.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was over the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really, honestly a horrible moment. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>a soul in Miami. I was about to start the

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<v Speaker 2>first job in my life, twenty nine years old. Horrible,

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<v Speaker 2>and then things went downhill from there. We found out

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<v Speaker 2>she had a form of cerebral policy called Hanny paris Is,

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<v Speaker 2>where she couldn't use her left side.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she was still a bright, beautiful, easy going,

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<v Speaker 2>fun child, so we got her into therapies and everything

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<v Speaker 3>Job, etc. And then at two and a half she

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<v Speaker 3>had a seizure.

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<v Speaker 2>We were all at home and we saw it and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew what it was immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>We raced to the hospital. They kept her overnight, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Really bad two and a half years, really really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>When she would have seizures, they wouldn't stop, so we

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<v Speaker 2>would have to call the paramedics. They would come, they

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<v Speaker 2>would give her ivy rectally to get the seizure to stop,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'd have.

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<v Speaker 3>To transport her to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>So we weren't allowed to go, you know, too far

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<v Speaker 2>away from a hospital. So no traveling back to see

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<v Speaker 2>my family, which was in Los Angeles, no traveling back

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<v Speaker 3>New York, no going really very far at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go to work, but that was about five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes away from the house, and sure enough, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>sitting with a patient once and getting that phone call

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<v Speaker 2>and just saying, in the middle of the session with

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I have to go. He was like dumbfounded,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like I always plain later, I've got to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of here fast, so as I worked at

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<v Speaker 3>the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there is a wonderful ending to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to save it for a few minutes from now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to talk about the feelings and emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't plan to have a child with disabilities. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure mothers blame themselves for everything. Did you have to

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<v Speaker 1>handle guilt? And what happened was her stress on your

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<v Speaker 1>marriage because of this talk about what happens to a

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<v Speaker 1>family when this happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we went downhill from the seizures and at five,

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<v Speaker 2>she had to have surgery brain surgery to move the

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<v Speaker 2>portion of her brain that was starting the seizures.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's when things really got bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she had a complication following the surgery, had

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<v Speaker 2>a second emergency surgery, near death episode. I mean, as

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<v Speaker 2>bad as it gets, Wendy, as bad as it gets.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's when the guilt started. I think the marriage

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<v Speaker 2>was strained. You know, I don't know if we want

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<v Speaker 2>to say at a breaking point then, but certainly we

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<v Speaker 2>did go on to divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was a silver lining. First of all, you

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<v Speaker 1>went on to have another daughter, and yeah, how many

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<v Speaker 1>years between your daughters.

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<v Speaker 3>Four and a half, so it was right before the

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<v Speaker 3>really really bad part that the other daughter was born.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a miracle. She was born. Let's just say we

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<v Speaker 3>weren't exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying, and she came to the world that was also

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<v Speaker 2>very pregnancy because she was very small, so they thought,

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<v Speaker 2>oh gosh, you know, another set of complications. But miracle,

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<v Speaker 2>she was fine and has been fine, and it's thriving

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<v Speaker 2>and has really been a pillar of strength for our family.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was born, we jokingly called her Paxel because

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<v Speaker 2>she lifted everybody's mood up.

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<v Speaker 3>And the poor kid is now becoming a psychotherapists because

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<v Speaker 3>she's got to lift the whole world's mood up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do want to say before we go to

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<v Speaker 1>a break, that your oldest daughter, Joy lives independently now

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<v Speaker 1>and yes recently, what did she experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the funny thing is, right, the last time she

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<v Speaker 2>was on your show, you proposed to Julio. Right, she

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<v Speaker 2>was on and then she hung up and the next

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<v Speaker 2>thing you know, you're proposing to Julio.

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<v Speaker 3>We were all completely shocked. Well, Joy has gone on

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<v Speaker 3>to be a miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>She's done so much therapy you name a therapy we've

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<v Speaker 2>done it. I can give you feed back if any

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<v Speaker 2>mother's out there want to know what works and what

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work, because.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people will sell you things that don't work,

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<v Speaker 3>but a lot of things you do.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's a very smart young woman and went on

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<v Speaker 1>a dating app and found herself a husband and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Wendy, you danced at her wedding literally, Julio, and

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<v Speaker 2>you were not a married woman. Then we have a

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<v Speaker 2>very very happy ending. So to your mother's out there,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, take a deep breath. Patience and time is

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful healer. And today I just spent a glorious

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<v Speaker 2>day just my daughter Joy. By the way, her birth

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<v Speaker 2>name was Marissa, but she chose to go by her

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<v Speaker 2>middle name, which is Joy, which is very appropriate, and

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<v Speaker 2>she leads.

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<v Speaker 3>A very joyful life.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to spend the whole day with her because

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<v Speaker 2>her very sweet, nurturing husband is actually up with his grandmother,

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<v Speaker 2>which was very dear because he had lost his mother

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<v Speaker 2>during his childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you ready to bring are we go back?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about this silver lining that through

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship with a daughter with discipline, you founded the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing I hate to call it charity because it's

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<v Speaker 1>really about an educational expose and art, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about that when we come back. My guest

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<v Speaker 1>is doctor Eva Ritfo, a psychiatrist from Miami, and Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day to you, doctor Ritfo. We've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the shock and when an unexpected baby is born with

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<v Speaker 1>disabilities and you've done an amazing job raising your beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>daughter Joy. But out of this came some beauty. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about the Old Beauty Project and what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, thank you, Wendy, and I love to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the Bold Duty Project.

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<v Speaker 3>So as we just shared, we had.

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<v Speaker 2>Some very dark years, but we emerged out of that

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the ways that we emerged out of

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<v Speaker 2>them was through this nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 3>We're called the Bold Beauty Project.

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<v Speaker 2>We were formed in two thousand and fifteen where the

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<v Speaker 2>brainchild of a social worker named Shelley Beaher and her

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<v Speaker 2>idea was to take women with disabilities pair of the

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<v Speaker 2>wind photographers. We use all volunteer photographers, have them get together,

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<v Speaker 2>have a very special photo shoot experience, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>take one image from each pair and then.

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<v Speaker 3>We exhibit them together along.

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<v Speaker 2>With a brief narrative of the woman with the disability

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<v Speaker 2>and the narrative of our volunteer photographer. So my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>Joy got to be a model very early on. And

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<v Speaker 2>the fortuitous part was if anybody listening knows Robert Zuckerman,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert was a very famous photographer shooting all the behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes movies in Hollywood, the stills for the movie posters.

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<v Speaker 2>He became disabled, he did not fign the Hollywood community welcoming.

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<v Speaker 2>He left, came back to Miami, which is where we

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<v Speaker 2>met him, and he was used to shooting all the celebrities.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was a tiger mom before that was a word.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked him if he would photograph my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>and he said yes, and he came over to our house.

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<v Speaker 3>We called a love fest day, and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Took the most beautiful picture of her, which has now

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<v Speaker 2>been shown in countless art fairs and is on all

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<v Speaker 2>of our branding. And she started calling him Pops, and

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<v Speaker 2>he just really inspires everybody. Sadly, he did pass away

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<v Speaker 2>during COVID in twenty twenty two, so we miss him dearly.

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<v Speaker 2>But the project goes on. So, like I said, we

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<v Speaker 2>started in twenty fifteen in Washington, d C. We did

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<v Speaker 2>our next show twenty sixteen in Miami. We've exhibited in

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<v Speaker 2>multiple cities now throughout the country, Texas, New York, we

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<v Speaker 2>did Los Angeles, last year, Philadelphia, and due to the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>we made a pivot and we're now on college campuses

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<v Speaker 2>because we didn't want expose any women during COVID too,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the risk. So we went to college campuses

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<v Speaker 2>because they were already you know, out and about and

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<v Speaker 1>So the big news is the Bold Beauty Project will

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<v Speaker 1>be exhibiting for the very first time at UCLA next Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>May eighteenth, from three to five pm. Now, for those

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<v Speaker 1>who love art, who love beauty, who love fashion, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a photography exhibition you do not want to miss.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole goal of the Bold Beauty Project, as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it is to change the image of disability.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct, doctor Eva?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>We have so many beautiful women who have disabilities. Joy

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<v Speaker 2>likes to call them women with different abilities, because if

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<v Speaker 2>it goes you strengthen in other areas. So our models

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<v Speaker 2>are really inspiring, resilient, beautiful women, and they get to

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<v Speaker 2>depict how they like to be seen, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to see all sorts of different images and

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<v Speaker 2>who come and meet the models themselves, talk to them

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<v Speaker 2>and meet the photographers who, like I said, have volunteered

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<v Speaker 2>their time, which is so heartwarming and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have a very interesting show coming up on campus.

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<v Speaker 3>It's free. The more that's the more we're celebrating.

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<v Speaker 2>For now.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say people do need to get tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can go to the KFI AM six forty website.

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<v Speaker 1>We will put a link to where you can get tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can also just go to Bold Beauty Project

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<v Speaker 1>dot com to get more information. So it's next Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>May eighteenth, at three pm at UCLA. I will be there,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Eva will be there, the models will be there.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are interested in photography in glamour and makeup

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<v Speaker 1>and fashion, or just because you want to support this

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<v Speaker 1>amazing charity, this nonprofit, the Bold Beauty Project, we'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to see you out there, Doctor Eva. Any parting words

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<v Speaker 1>for parents who may be dealing with a child with disabilities.

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<v Speaker 3>Self care, You know it is very challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>Parenting is very challenging, particularly in this age that we

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<v Speaker 2>live in and if you add on top of that

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<v Speaker 2>disabilities and special needs and therapy sessions and the fear

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<v Speaker 2>of the unknown, it's a difficult road. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really important not to neglect yourself and remember,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you've got to put that oxygen mask.

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<v Speaker 3>On yourself first.

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<v Speaker 2>So any mothers that are listening today, please take care

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself. Make sure that you're sleeping, make sure you're eating,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you're exercising. Motherhood is a marathon, not a sprint,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have to be in our top shape. And

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<v Speaker 2>Joy is a wonderful example of how when we work

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<v Speaker 2>hard and we're patient and we persevere, amazing things can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you mentioned, she has a beautiful, doting, loving husband.

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<v Speaker 2>She lives independently, and she's been really proud of everything

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<v Speaker 2>she's done with the Bold Beauty Project. And we hope

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone will check us out and if they can't

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<v Speaker 2>come on campus, we get it. There's a lot of traffic,

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<v Speaker 2>so you could go on our website. You could look

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<v Speaker 2>at the past shows and you could see inspiring women there.

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you one last thing, Wendy, which is

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<v Speaker 2>for myself, I know that I have had a more

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<v Speaker 2>fulfilling life because I have a child with extra needs.

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<v Speaker 2>It has helped me to develop into a more patient, kind,

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<v Speaker 2>loving person. And believe me, I don't sweat the small stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and after we've been through life and debt experiences with

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<v Speaker 2>your five year old, it's all small stuff exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being with us, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>to those listeners, we'll see you next week at the

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<v Speaker 1>Bold Beauty Project at UCLA. Doctor Eva Ritvo, psychiatrist from Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>and that brings the Doctor Wendy Walls Show to a close.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm always here for you every Sunday from

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<v Speaker 1>seven to nine pm. You can also follow me on

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<v Speaker 1>my social media and the handle everywhere is at doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Walsh. But I'm always here for you on KFI.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on

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