Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen and this is a podcast all about
Speaker 2: the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy anthology
Speaker 2: series Inside Number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 2: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and
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Speaker 1: Hey, Slay Queens.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1: I am fabulous starling. How are you? River has entered
Speaker 1: the chat, So yeah, that's how of recording. I put
Speaker 1: a poll on our Instagram yesterday to see if listeners
Speaker 1: agree with you that I'm Camp. And I was let's
Speaker 1: just say, I was expecting maybe somewhat of a split vote, right,
Speaker 1: but no, unanimous, hundred percent agreed with you. So I'm
Speaker 1: forced to reevaluate my personality. It's fine, it's fine. I
Speaker 1: feel awful. No, no, no, you should. It's fine. It's
Speaker 1: funny though, because what does camp mean? Like? And I
Speaker 1: always thought camp was like flamboyant and like I did
Speaker 1: you know joking at the start there, and that's not me.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I like to think I'm softly spoken. But anyway, regardless
Speaker 1: of campness.
Speaker 2: How are you, I'm good, good? How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right? I had a very long meeting at
Speaker 1: work today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounded painful, five.
Speaker 1: Hours and it was one of those where they forced
Speaker 1: you to have your camera on. Oh no, And I
Speaker 1: was saying to my colleague, like, the trouble with that
Speaker 1: is you've got to remember to control your facial expressions
Speaker 1: when someone says something ridiculous and I'm just there like
Speaker 1: making a face like what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh god, I'm on screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you can get away with not having
Speaker 2: your camera on. But it's yeah, We've got a manager
Speaker 2: that will always make his stock joke of are you
Speaker 2: in witness protection if you don't have a camera on,
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, it's not funny, it's not funny. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get the cameras back on. Yeah, the joys of
Speaker 2: office life.
Speaker 1: Oh well, anything exciting going on in your life? No? No,
Speaker 1: this week fair enough.
Speaker 2: Got warm, which is nice. You're all welcome for the
Speaker 2: warm weather. I tried to sow grass seed at the weekend,
Speaker 2: so it won't rain again for about six weeks. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're all welcome for the nice weather.
Speaker 1: Should we reveal our hair from last week?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What was it last week? Oh? It was Nana's party.
Speaker 2: Love a nice shout out for Dorothy Perkins. She doesn't
Speaker 2: get much love blessing. They're not even that old, are they, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's where my nana's party dress came from. Like,
Speaker 2: it's all old lady clothes. Yeah, I made up the
Speaker 2: fact about my grandma. I'm sorry, Grandma. I think her
Speaker 2: dress was from Bombash.
Speaker 1: The other old lady shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So see whether you can hear this week's slipped
Speaker 2: in somewhere mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Just in case anyone's not sure what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: we like to hide an episode title in our discussion
Speaker 1: every week for you to spot. We call it our
Speaker 1: hair or hidden allusion to a random episode.
Speaker 2: We do need to keep refreshing people every now and then,
Speaker 2: or we're going to get us some new listeners and
Speaker 2: they're gonna have no idea what the hell we're on about.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I don't know if people would would
Speaker 1: people just jump in and listen to the most recent one.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I don't know if I started new podcast,
Speaker 1: they're trying to start from the beginning. But yeah, well it's.
Speaker 2: An anthology, so I guess you could jump him whenever
Speaker 2: you want exactly.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, hurry up and wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, we're on episode four of series six, The Oh.
Speaker 2: It's a short one today. The synopsis. Actor James is
Speaker 2: waiting for his big moment on ITV's new crime drama
Speaker 2: in a static caravan owned by a strange family that
Speaker 2: clearly have something to hide.
Speaker 1: General views, this is one that I remember.
Speaker 2: Thinking was a bit meh, and then watched it and
Speaker 2: quite enjoyed it today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. I think it's good.
Speaker 1: It's enjoyable. It's got a lot of humor. Yeah, interesting
Speaker 1: stuff in it. It's not my favorite, it's not not
Speaker 1: there with the best, but it's it's perfectly serviceable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They do a good job. Yeah, it's interesting, it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not a wildly memorable one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: The whole concept of this episode is that we're in
Speaker 2: a caravan, we're at an ITV shoot, and they like
Speaker 2: to sort of co opt people's houses or in this case,
Speaker 2: the caravan has green rooms nearby if they can't get
Speaker 2: somewhere to keep people, all the actors and things on
Speaker 2: set between yeah, between scenes. So they've hired, they've paid
Speaker 2: off this family to use their lovely caravan, and hilarity ensues.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, hilarity and awkwardness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so much awkward.
Speaker 1: Yes. I know my partner Ben would hate this episode
Speaker 1: because he hates secondhand embarrassment.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He finds it really cringey to deal with. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that, and.
Speaker 2: There's there really really is. I would so struggle with this,
Speaker 2: And I've been in that situation. They're hanging around while
Speaker 2: people are just doing stuff around you and you just
Speaker 2: want them to sod off. Oh yeah, but you can't
Speaker 2: say anything.
Speaker 1: You've got to be polite and friendly. And James, the
Speaker 1: character of Reese plays he's so nice and friendly and polite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which has a nice guy for this week for
Speaker 2: a change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, it is a really awkward situation to be in,
Speaker 1: and they have paid off this family, like, and they've
Speaker 1: asked them to kind of, you know, give them space.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: So I suppose they're within their rights to say, can
Speaker 1: you buger off? Please, but you just don't feel you can.
Speaker 2: How do you say that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So apparently this episode was inspired partly by a
Speaker 1: lot of their own real experiences while filming things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 1: Particularly apparently there was an episode of League of Gentlemen
Speaker 1: they were filming where they went into someone's house and
Speaker 1: there was a lady sitting there in a dressing gown
Speaker 1: and she said, it's my birthday. I'm having a glass
Speaker 1: of champagne. And they decided to put that in the
Speaker 1: episode because it suck with them for all these years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird, like why would you surely, if
Speaker 2: you've made a bit of money you just go out for.
Speaker 1: The day, Well you think, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: At least stay in your room, Like, I know, it
Speaker 2: must be tempting if there's someone actually, you know those downstairs.
Speaker 1: So they were talking about this in the official podcast
Speaker 1: Isn't His Day? And Steve described them as little Woodland
Speaker 1: creatures that just can't help but come and have a
Speaker 1: little peak.
Speaker 2: And I mean it'd be one thing if you've got
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt in your living room, but if you've just
Speaker 2: got extra James.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but people do get fascinated by the whole acting
Speaker 1: industry and everything, don't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's something you never get to see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: most jobs are kind of relatable in a way, but
Speaker 2: acting is so different. I can understand why people are
Speaker 2: fascinated by it. We don't know how much they've got paid,
Speaker 2: like it might be nothing fifty p Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: have to keep the heating on for the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I feel we should mention Joe the Runner. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know that's a limited cast as usual within side
Speaker 1: number nine. But this, this character Joe, she stands in
Speaker 1: for the production as a whole, I think, and yeah, rude, politely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I get it. It's a very busy environment.
Speaker 1: James is a very small cog in a big machine.
Speaker 1: She's got a lot of pressure, but she is very dismissive.
Speaker 1: And then when Adrian comes in later and you see
Speaker 1: the difference with how she treats him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, no, yeah, she'll do anything for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disgusting really but yeah, and this, oh god,
Speaker 1: I can't bear this whole thing. If she's got the
Speaker 1: earpiece and you can't tell if she's talking to you
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, that's so frustrating.
Speaker 2: It really it's so rude. It's Yeah, I don't like
Speaker 2: her at all. No, I can, like you said, I
Speaker 2: can understand that she's under pressure, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But man has cost nothing. M you don't have to
Speaker 2: be a dick.
Speaker 1: No, you're choosing to be. And poor James like he's
Speaker 1: he's so desperate to have a word with costume, and
Speaker 1: every time he asks, he just gets ignored.
Speaker 2: What he's up with his costume like it never actually
Speaker 2: becomes it's never actually explained what. No, just this running
Speaker 2: joke if he wants.
Speaker 1: To speak to about his watch. I saw someone online
Speaker 1: was suggesting that maybe his watch didn't have a battery
Speaker 1: and it or something really tiny like that. And because
Speaker 1: he's such a he's so thorough like he thinks that's important.
Speaker 2: Yes, we've got Joe's draw into the caravan. He's sitting
Speaker 2: there trying to learn his lines. Bless him, and then
Speaker 2: him comes Bev.
Speaker 1: Mmm. She's an interesting characters, just fascinating.
Speaker 2: I'd hate to have been the casting team this episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: How you cast Bev? Yeah and not offend her massive exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's so many jokes at her expense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I often think this when I watch a film or something.
Speaker 2: You can just imagine someone being called by their agent
Speaker 2: being like, we've got this role for you. It'd be great.
Speaker 2: You're awful, you're disgusting, you're blah blahlahlah. Yeah, we think
Speaker 2: you'll be great for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Emelda s Thornton tells a story about
Speaker 1: when she got wrung up about Umbridge and she said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, this short, ugly toad like woman, apparently you'd
Speaker 1: be perfect for it.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, And there's some characters where you can do it,
Speaker 2: like with costume and still.
Speaker 1: Exactly you know. You look, you look up Donna Preston,
Speaker 1: who played Bev, and she's she's a very beautiful lady,
Speaker 1: but she's able to like dumb herself down for this role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, though it is a bit awkward,
Speaker 1: like how do you And also with the you know,
Speaker 1: the twist that's not a twist of her potentially being
Speaker 1: a boy. Yeah, that's another angle on.
Speaker 2: That you have a actor that you almost can believe
Speaker 2: could possibly maybe exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen her in anything else. I wasn't
Speaker 2: aware of what she looks like, but yes, she looks
Speaker 2: very normal, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah she does. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently Donna Preston is
Speaker 1: a massive Inside Number nine fan.
Speaker 2: Oh nice.
Speaker 1: So she was so excited when she got the role.
Speaker 2: Well you're going to be playing yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Apparently Steve wrang her up to sort of say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to be working together, and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is Steve Pemberton from Inside
Speaker 1: Number nine and apparently she went fuck off? Is it.
Speaker 2: Okay? So she's not far off there. Yeah, she's closer
Speaker 2: than you maybe wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we haven't got to that section yet,
Speaker 1: but I just had to call out probably my favorite
Speaker 1: line of the whole episode.
Speaker 2: Mmm, I've got a few which one of you going with?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it has to be I haven't got
Speaker 1: mental health. I'm just shy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on my list.
Speaker 1: I've had it in my head all day to day.
Speaker 1: It is one of my bugbears. When people say mental
Speaker 1: health when they mean mental health issues or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like everyone has mental health. It's like saying I haven't
Speaker 1: got health. Yeah you have, you have some level of health,
Speaker 1: like yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if anything, having mental health meeting.
Speaker 1: It's a good thing. It's a good thing I have
Speaker 1: my mentally health healthy. Yeah, yes, anyway, semantics, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's the tash cream that's just there for the whole.
Speaker 1: Time, so unflattering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in a perfect mustache shape. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: just smeared on across the top lip. It's like in
Speaker 2: a perfect little mustache.
Speaker 1: Because again, if, like you said, if you've got you know,
Speaker 1: you've got actors coming to use your space, you kind
Speaker 1: of would think you'd be a bit more presentable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe, I mean at least put clothes on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not just sitting there and dressing gown. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then I don't know. On the other hand, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, why should you change your routine just because
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess, but it's it's the same
Speaker 2: way that if you had the builders around or whatever,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't just be there in your pants, like you'd
Speaker 2: actually put clothes on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, that just conjured up an image I thought.
Speaker 1: I just think the contrast between James and his sort
Speaker 1: of you know, he's so earnest and so sort of
Speaker 1: nerdy about you know, like the Jeff Pope when he
Speaker 1: goes on about stuff he's written and stuff he's seen
Speaker 1: Adrian dunbar In and stuff like that. He's so sort
Speaker 1: of these people are just you know, they're not on
Speaker 1: the same wavelength and that sort of thing, and it's just.
Speaker 2: Awkward from very different worlds.
Speaker 1: But he's so nice as well, because he tries to
Speaker 1: make a conversation with bit of about that and she's
Speaker 1: just like that Disney and he doesn't just say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's the end of that conversation. He then tries to
Speaker 1: sort of ask her, you know, what's your favorite one?
Speaker 1: Like he's sweet Dumbo one one. I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was a Dumbo two.
Speaker 2: You know there was there know there's been a domb
Speaker 2: two that went straight to v h.
Speaker 1: Straight to video. Yeah, but that's that's just such a
Speaker 1: great turn of phrase, like because you you don't call it,
Speaker 1: you don't call it Dumbo one. You just call it Dumbo,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you? As a as a strange dressing gown wearing girl,
Speaker 1: he's obsessed with Disney, you can understand it.
Speaker 2: She ran me with the character in Come Fly with Me.
Speaker 2: I know it's not an acceptable program problem. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the Disney loving woman that's going on holiday to see
Speaker 2: to Disneyland. Oh yeah, she's so excited and everything she
Speaker 2: talks about is Disney. And then someone asked her why
Speaker 2: she likes Disney.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I'm a bit yeah yeah, no
Speaker 1: shame if you're a Disney fan, no, no, no, we
Speaker 1: love Disney.
Speaker 2: It's when you only enjoyed Disney and the exclusion of
Speaker 2: literally all other culture that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Bless her. Yeah, I also think she's so sweet when
Speaker 1: you know, when he talks about, you know, being an
Speaker 1: actor and being able to be different people, and she's
Speaker 1: just like, I wouldn't want to be anyone different and
Speaker 1: happy being me.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty sweet. Yeah, good for her her next character,
Speaker 2: Yes of the Wonder for Pauline McGlynn. Oh, she's great.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's frustrating as all hell, but she's great.
Speaker 1: Irish accents are always funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of are.
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a rude way to be Irish.
Speaker 1: I just mean like, I often think, you know, something
Speaker 1: just sound funnier in a strong accent than they would
Speaker 1: in a bland sort of like my kind of accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of, like, I don't know, there's just
Speaker 2: something about it.
Speaker 1: Gives a musicality to it. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, she's
Speaker 1: very good. Are you a father ted fan?
Speaker 2: I was back in the day, Yeah, years ago. I
Speaker 2: very much enjoyed that they made her makeup to tea. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're so typecast, you can't not make a cup of tea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's just so much staring at this point in the episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a bit like an animal in a
Speaker 1: zoo that they're just looking at.
Speaker 2: There's one thing to be you know, she's doing, say
Speaker 2: she was doing the washing up or whatever, but they're
Speaker 2: literally just staring at him learning his lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: Like my dad will do this, Like if I'm up
Speaker 2: there and I'll be like, I don't know, cutting up
Speaker 2: veg for tea or whatever, and he'll just sit at
Speaker 2: the table and watch, and it's weirdly off putting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I can imagine.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: And she's she's got that brilliant little thing about you know,
Speaker 1: nothing worse than someone busying themselves around you while you're
Speaker 1: trying to concentrate.
Speaker 2: Is that you just want peace and quiet.
Speaker 1: She's like, say, she's aware, but she's not aware enough
Speaker 1: to realize that she's doing it.
Speaker 2: Exact same thing. Yeah, another great quote of have you
Speaker 2: got a big parach Oh? I love that, shut up
Speaker 2: your doty bitchy.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is a good joke though, it's a classic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, oh it's simple but it works.
Speaker 1: But no, as it turns out, it doesn't have a
Speaker 1: big part. No, and it's going to be getting smaller.
Speaker 2: What's face Joe comes back at this point. I think
Speaker 2: the great line of just to their faces? Are these
Speaker 2: people bothering you?
Speaker 1: I know that she's so rude, Yeah, so rude, real
Speaker 1: disrespect right there. Yes, we should maybe explain as well
Speaker 1: that the drama that they're making is based on Earth. Yes,
Speaker 1: what you know within the universe of the episode is
Speaker 1: a real historical well from what twenty years ago or.
Speaker 2: Something, Yeah, about twenty years yeah.
Speaker 1: Case of a baby being abducted.
Speaker 2: Indeed, dramatization for ITV kind of.
Speaker 1: Thing, yes, which I think there's some interesting stuff there around,
Speaker 1: you know, because Pauline's carric to just say, I think
Speaker 1: they should leave it be. You know, it's real life
Speaker 1: for some people. Yeah, and there's there's definitely some truth
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know, twenty years is quite a long time,
Speaker 2: but it's not if it's something like a baby being stolen,
Speaker 2: like that's a serious thing. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: someone I don't know smashed in a car window or whatever,
Speaker 2: like it's it's yeah, yeah, top of emotional cry.
Speaker 1: Family are very very much still around the people who
Speaker 1: knew them and this and that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a bank heist or something is you know,
Speaker 2: it's not emotionally devastating exactly. Yes, Yes, it's a funny
Speaker 2: thing that, like the dramatization of a story that doesn't
Speaker 2: have a resolution. I can see a meme about this,
Speaker 2: like me being annoyed when the dramatization of an unsolved
Speaker 2: murder doesn't have a soult at the end. What did
Speaker 2: I expect?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be honest and say that when I first
Speaker 1: watched this episode and they were talking about Jeff Pope,
Speaker 1: I assumed he was someone they'd made up.
Speaker 2: No, he's really, Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've discovered hears and he's apparently he's of factual
Speaker 1: Drama It TV. So he does a lot of these
Speaker 1: kind of dramatizations.
Speaker 2: Do you have transformation to do that, to.
Speaker 1: Use someone's name like that? Yeah, Well, Reese on the
Speaker 1: podcast said that he hoped he didn't mind. They didn't ask.
Speaker 2: Yes, those songs, you don't say anything negative. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: only praise him, don't they exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they were saying, oh God, so it's going
Speaker 1: to be a bit shit, yeah, then that would be different.
Speaker 1: But yeah, also, Jeff Bishop is the writer.
Speaker 2: I would have liked that to have been a long
Speaker 2: more ongoing joke of different like like church position names.
Speaker 2: Every time they mentioned it was a different one.
Speaker 1: Jeff Cardinal, Yeah, get away with all thoughts. So we
Speaker 1: have the awkward scene of James going to.
Speaker 2: The loom just to get away from them.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I get such ooh at this
Speaker 1: bit when he's in there and then you hear Stan
Speaker 1: come home. Yeah, he's kind of terrifying.
Speaker 2: He's he's Yeah, he seriously would not want to run
Speaker 2: into this man in a dark alley.
Speaker 1: No, he's really creepy. I don't like him.
Speaker 2: Steve, that's such a nice person. He really pulls off well,
Speaker 2: like terrifying. He does like rough guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is such a good actor. M really embodies
Speaker 1: the roles. Yeah, I was even thinking that the bit
Speaker 1: when he sort of flops himself down into the chair,
Speaker 1: you could just really tell that this is his home,
Speaker 1: and he's just like, yeah, he's king of this old house,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only that set, and like, yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: just a set, it's really is his house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We can talk about the set for a minute though,
Speaker 2: because I'm I really know really how it works, because
Speaker 2: it seems to be a lot bigger than this caravan
Speaker 2: could possibly ever be. Because there's a good chunk it's
Speaker 2: this living room and kitchen, which must be at least
Speaker 2: half of the place, and then you've got the toilet bit,
Speaker 2: and then you see Bev's bedroom at one point that
Speaker 2: has at least two windows on opposite sides.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know where the hell the parents sleep. That
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be room for them to have a bedroom.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure think, I mean, it's not a set.
Speaker 1: Apparently it is a real caravan.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, maybe it only is a one bedroom.
Speaker 1: Caravan, but they've had to pretend it's.
Speaker 2: Pretend it's too But we'll never see the second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's a sofa bed.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, minor gripe of mine.
Speaker 1: I've just got a note that says stands toilet habits.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Unsavory.
Speaker 2: I was reading up or read it people's opinions and things.
Speaker 2: You're seeing the great snooker joke, they do, hear.
Speaker 1: I think I read the same thread. Yeah, you probably did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's having a enormous shit at the same
Speaker 2: time that someone pops the brown and the snooker at
Speaker 2: the exact same moment.
Speaker 1: Sounds delightful.
Speaker 2: That is such a great joke that you don't even notice.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice it until I've read that. Yeah, brilliant,
Speaker 2: brilliant work, guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, for me, it's how he's coming out, like doing
Speaker 1: his trousers up clearly, don't wash his hands, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just, oh my god, men like that, you
Speaker 1: know when here we go. But you know, when James
Speaker 1: is in the toilet and he's you know, obviously he's
Speaker 1: he's a guess and he feels uncomfortable and all that,
Speaker 1: and this man just comes in and you can just
Speaker 1: hear him saying, no, I need a ship first, and
Speaker 1: you just know, oh my god, I don't want to
Speaker 1: see this man. I don't want to be near this man.
Speaker 2: No, but I have to be I need to be right.
Speaker 2: I can't leave.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Surely they knew, like they're being paid for their caravan.
Speaker 2: Surely the wife is quite switched on. Surely she'd have
Speaker 2: told him like, remember this afternoon, they're turning up or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing. He just doesn't care. Well, true,
Speaker 1: he's very much of the thing like, this is my house.
Speaker 1: I'm going to behave like I want. I'm going to
Speaker 1: just do. I'm not going to change my routine for them.
Speaker 1: You know, they're a strange couple.
Speaker 2: They are. I don't see them how they work together. Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really feel like they would be together.
Speaker 2: No, And if anything, she comes more across as like
Speaker 2: his mom than anything else. I don't buy that there
Speaker 2: are a couple. I buy that they're almost like mother
Speaker 2: and son or something like. Yeah, no, it's weird. It's
Speaker 2: an odd family. I think that just sums it up, really,
Speaker 2: just an odd family.
Speaker 1: So I think what follows is probably for me my
Speaker 1: favorite scene hm hm, basically Stan and James in the
Speaker 1: living room area. Yeah, and the conversation they have, right
Speaker 1: because James is so like, you can't read the room.
Speaker 2: To Stan, it's struggling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get this whole thing about You're not a
Speaker 1: real pig, are you? And it's like, no, I'm just
Speaker 1: playing pig.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this whole thing about Bobby versus the Bobby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really trying to make a part out of this,
Speaker 2: isn't he. Yes, he's not even got to know even
Speaker 2: bless him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Reminded me of the thing in Stage Fright, of
Speaker 1: the guy who had the tiny part in the play
Speaker 1: trying to pick it up. I just love this, this
Speaker 1: clash of cultures with James trying to be all sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, slightly high brown and talk about the hollow
Speaker 1: crown Shakespeare's wore the Roses cycle, and the look on
Speaker 1: Steve's face that he gives him, it was just like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? You prick.
Speaker 2: For James, he just doesn't have a clue, does He
Speaker 2: just can't relate in any way.
Speaker 1: Yes, And then I tried to write down just just
Speaker 1: one little bit that I loved, but I ended up
Speaker 1: writing down the whole exchange because just like he's saying
Speaker 1: about waiting around can be tiring, though, and he just
Speaker 1: looks him, you fucking what. It's just more mentally draining
Speaker 1: sat slump than having to jump into it. Sat slumps.
Speaker 1: Wish my job were fucking sat slumps all day about
Speaker 1: tarmac and the rolls and the freezing cold. Ah five
Speaker 1: of the morning, mate. And then there's his pause and
Speaker 1: then he's like, or we do Averly starts as well,
Speaker 1: because they get you in for the breakfast before you
Speaker 1: going for makeup. You're taking the piss. It's like the
Speaker 1: worst thing you could have said. And he's like getting
Speaker 1: his hands dirty at half five Ontomac and the roads
Speaker 1: and he's just like, well, you have to get up
Speaker 1: early for the breakfast and the makeup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't go well, does it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're like the working class like clash with whatever. James
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, it's it's painful, but it's very entertaining.
Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite scenes. It's uncomfortable but very funny.
Speaker 1: I was I was hooting with laughter at that bit.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see the camp now I'm with laughter.
Speaker 1: They also discuss about what happened to baby Ryan all
Speaker 1: that time ago, apparently, and the mum left him outside
Speaker 1: of news agents for two minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, why the fuck?
Speaker 1: Why would you do that?
Speaker 2: Nah, there's no excuse for that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry there's not, but I feel like decades ago
Speaker 1: it was probably quite common.
Speaker 2: Well maybe twenty years ago. Yeah, maybe, but.
Speaker 1: It just goes to show the world's change, why you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the end of the day, babies are Small'll
Speaker 2: bring it in with you. Yeah, even if you left
Speaker 2: the proan outside, bring the baby in at.
Speaker 1: Least, So he asks them about it, isn't it. Then
Speaker 1: there's there's well, clearly someone's lying, discrepancies about whether they
Speaker 1: were living there at the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, things are adding up. Something's going on.
Speaker 1: And then we're leading up to what might I'm guessing
Speaker 1: might be another one of your favorite lines, or at
Speaker 1: least line deliveries.
Speaker 2: Oh, which have we got?
Speaker 1: So Bev suggests that a dog took it. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened in Australia and the way the way, Steve says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've read it with three h's. Yeah that I love
Speaker 1: that line delivery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the real story, I believe.
Speaker 1: Oh it was the famously and didn't Meryl Street make
Speaker 1: a film of it?
Speaker 2: Oh? Did she?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: I didn't I took my baby?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's in Buffy. One of the characters is
Speaker 1: in a band called dingo'st My Baby.
Speaker 2: How is it okay that we can laugh about this?
Speaker 2: We really should?
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not. We shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's just such a silly word exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm laughing at, Yes, genuinely, yes, but yes,
Speaker 2: that was another line I written.
Speaker 1: It is quite a funny episode, considering this so much
Speaker 1: darkness to it.
Speaker 2: It's very dark, but yeah, it's very funny, like on
Speaker 2: the face of it, until we get further down the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. So we get Joe back again and Adrian
Speaker 2: Dunbar playing Adrian Dunbar, Yes, which is not exactly a
Speaker 2: new thing, like, oh extras that kind of thing, isn't
Speaker 2: it of people playing themselves but a bit of a dickhead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite fun though when you see that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's enjoyable. I always wonder when they do
Speaker 2: these things, how what the script said, Like when they
Speaker 2: originally write the script, are they writing it for Adrian
Speaker 2: Dunbar hoping it'll get him or is it written as
Speaker 2: celebrity will make jokes up later depending on who we
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this case, apparently they weren't sure who they
Speaker 1: were going to get. So they just wrote it generically
Speaker 1: and they once they cast him, they sort of adapted
Speaker 1: it around him. And obviously once they had him, obviously
Speaker 1: they've then got a wealth of material with the Line
Speaker 1: of Duty stuff that they can reference. So that was
Speaker 1: quite handy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was liven. It was that its hype
Speaker 2: back then. Yeah, it was a very good catch for them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can understand like the whole playing an
Speaker 1: asshole version of yourself, because if you just played like
Speaker 1: a more realistic version of stuff, it wouldn't be that interesting.
Speaker 2: No, it's more fun to do that exactly. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: is awful.
Speaker 1: He is. He's really awful. I wonder if he does
Speaker 1: what he does to James purely because he makes that
Speaker 1: comment about playing another policeman. I wondered this his way
Speaker 1: of getting back at him.
Speaker 2: I imagine it probably is. I don't think he would
Speaker 2: have done that otherwise, Yeah, because yeah, because I mean
Speaker 2: he's a big enough factory. It's not like he's scrabbling
Speaker 2: for lines, Like surely he doesn't really care either way.
Speaker 2: Who knows, Yeah, I assume it's that way around there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, But yeah, the way he's like so offended,
Speaker 1: like I'm playing him totally differently to.
Speaker 2: Chalk and Cheese. It's totally different.
Speaker 1: Was it one of them swept to the side, yeah's.
Speaker 2: Got a side parting. This guy's totally swept back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also love how during that whole scene, Steve's
Speaker 1: just sitting there enjoying it, throwing in the odd little
Speaker 1: comment put your foot in there.
Speaker 2: Didn't you staring where he can?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It reminds me of like Satler and Waldorf, like
Speaker 1: just making unhelpful comments.
Speaker 2: Just keep the drama going.
Speaker 1: Beckling. Yeah. We also when Joe brought him in as
Speaker 1: well as another one of her rude comments was just
Speaker 1: like sorry, it's so small and dingyingy, it's so awful,
Speaker 1: so rude. They're like, they're not treated like human beings.
Speaker 2: No, no, not remotely. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: this is their home. It's not even like they've rented
Speaker 2: out an office or something. Yeah, it's their home, like
Speaker 2: you know, if they've booked out a B and B
Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah. But while we're on Ted's hair, if
Speaker 2: you notice when you get a bit at the end
Speaker 2: where it's from the actual shoot and his hair is
Speaker 2: parted on the right, he is exactly the same.
Speaker 1: That's a nice little joke. I hadn't noticed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so subtly different anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a funny joke anyway, isn't it The
Speaker 1: fact that the difference of the character is the hair
Speaker 1: is just yeah, it all comes down to the hair.
Speaker 2: I don't think you have a watch line of duty.
Speaker 1: I've not known. It's just one of those things, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, they are very similar characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes when something's so popular, it's just a bit
Speaker 1: like everyone's watching that, so I don't really want to
Speaker 1: watch it.
Speaker 2: It was really good, but yeah, I know exactly what
Speaker 2: you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I call it the slum dog millionaire effect.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ben suffers from it a million times more than me,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, right. Yeah, it's like as soon
Speaker 1: as someone suggests something, he's like, nope, no interested.
Speaker 2: Not even does well one person liked.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, so they have their little let's have a
Speaker 1: look at the scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and James actually has got quite a few lines.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking you only had like a line and
Speaker 2: he was bigging his power up so much. But he
Speaker 2: actually does have quite.
Speaker 1: A bit to say, he's got three lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not if Adrian's got anything to say about it. No.
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, in a way, I think Adrian's right,
Speaker 1: like scene does work better the way he suggests it
Speaker 1: probably does, but you know, obviously they have to put
Speaker 1: it that way to you know, to make him seem
Speaker 1: like an asshole for the humor of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: because why would we care about what this what this
Speaker 1: policeman has to say, like we would we would be
Speaker 1: more interested in the main character, I think so.
Speaker 2: I suppose. But if you've got a main character who
Speaker 2: obviously he's the main character in this, if all of
Speaker 2: you could argue that for every part, like we're only
Speaker 2: really interested in what his opinion on something is, so
Speaker 2: like before you know what happens, it's a one person show,
Speaker 2: like like where do you stop?
Speaker 1: I just felt like Reese's lines were quite sort of overwritten.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: Obviously you know they're there to be something for him
Speaker 1: to lose. Yeah, but you know, if if that was
Speaker 1: the real script, I feel like his part would be
Speaker 1: a bit unnecessarily big.
Speaker 2: That laugh for James's big part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love the way, you know, all this
Speaker 1: acting wankery about you know, there was real emotion in
Speaker 1: that last line isn't there. And then when they run
Speaker 1: it and he just says the last line anyway, and
Speaker 1: and Reese is like, well, yeah, you swapped the line,
Speaker 1: didn't you, so that you said the last line and
Speaker 1: he pretends he didn't even notice. I did, deny.
Speaker 2: It's even worse. He said, we did, didn't we? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: as if it was a joint decision that they should
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thing is we laugh. But I'm sure stuff like
Speaker 1: this happens. You know, the stars. There probably are some
Speaker 1: who probably essentially bully their way around and get what
Speaker 1: they want, you know. I mean he might be you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Adrian's like an executive producer on this drama or
Speaker 1: something as well.
Speaker 2: Probably, but still, yeah, we whittled poor little James's lines down.
Speaker 1: To yes, yeah, the sad little way when he's gone
Speaker 1: and he just has to run his lines again and
Speaker 1: it's just that one word, he just goes yes. So
Speaker 1: this is where we get the information that it would
Speaker 1: have been Ryan's birthday today, and that is what sort
Speaker 1: of triggers James to the cogs to start going around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he starts to put two and two together and
Speaker 1: make five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least five may nine nine nine.
Speaker 1: And we also we had that line earlier that he
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a detective when he was younger. Yes,
Speaker 1: so yeah, and now he's getting to sort of put
Speaker 1: his deer stalker on and get his magnifying glass out.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's what I imagine a lot of people
Speaker 2: are thinking at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: We've sort of laid the groundwork for a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I think you know, if it's looking obviously
Speaker 1: like it's going in that way, it's never going that
Speaker 1: way usually not.
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, there's not many where you where you can
Speaker 2: tell so too obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I find it quite disappointing,
Speaker 1: to be fair, when you find out that he wasn't right,
Speaker 1: because it does feel like quite a juicy twist for
Speaker 1: it to be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's juicy, but yes, it's obvious at the same time,
Speaker 2: like it's the obvious story to tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, the clues like the Man in the
Speaker 1: Red tracks to the hair removal cream, the.
Speaker 2: Man in the Red trope. So it's the implication that
Speaker 2: Stan has only one pair of clothes, like one set
Speaker 2: of clothes that twenty years ago'd been wearing that same thing.
Speaker 1: Apparently, Yeah, I suppose. I don't know. I doesn't say.
Speaker 1: It's red tracksic quite an uncommon thing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe not.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Track sis are quite common up North,
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 1: In a range of colors.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Anyway, It doesn't matter because it turns out he's wrong anyway,
Speaker 1: So he's just leaping to conclusions. So yeah, so he
Speaker 1: comes to the conclusion that they stole baby Ryan, yeah,
Speaker 1: and raised him as Bev. What's her name, Bev? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he tries, so what why does he go to
Speaker 1: Joe the Runner to tell her? Of all people? I know,
Speaker 1: it's because she's the character that we've got. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't have anyone else, But like, what's she going to do?
Speaker 2: I guess maybe he doesn't have his phone and he's thinking,
Speaker 2: you go call the police. I'll keep these people here.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, he's probably because he's he wants
Speaker 2: to be he said he wants to be detective. But
Speaker 2: him being a detective is probably based on ITV dramas,
Speaker 2: and that's how an ITV drama would work, Like it
Speaker 2: would be resolved in the caravan, like it wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: The police would be called, they'd go off and get
Speaker 2: interrogated like a poiro You would do it there. And
Speaker 2: then yes, he wants his moment of accusing them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, boy does he. Yeah, but Joe as ever infuriating.
Speaker 1: You think she's you think she's responding to him, but
Speaker 1: actually she's responding to the earpiece.
Speaker 2: Yeah. God, she's awful, she is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he gives up and he'll sort it out himself.
Speaker 2: So he goes to find Bev. She's playing with the
Speaker 2: dolls in her room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's quite the collection.
Speaker 2: Quite the collection. We'll come back to that. And he's
Speaker 2: wanting pictures of as a baby. Are guessing to prove
Speaker 2: that it's Ryan mm.
Speaker 1: And it all points when she says, oh my dad
Speaker 1: doesn't let me get in the album out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean every clue is there saying.
Speaker 1: That he's on the right lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even ones that you wouldn't think that aren't really
Speaker 2: very obvious that you might think, oh, I'm clever, I
Speaker 2: spotted that, but they still don't.
Speaker 1: Work, like, yeah, it's a lot of coincidences, yea.
Speaker 2: And then the killer clue being the blanket that apparently
Speaker 2: Ryan went missing in. Yeah, even to the point where
Speaker 2: it's nicely folded over in the right.
Speaker 1: Place to obscure his name so he can reveal it cerical.
Speaker 2: In dramatic fashion. Yeah. Inside his head, he must be like,
Speaker 2: you know, party popper is going off and like confetti
Speaker 2: and yeah, he's thinking that he's going to get hailed
Speaker 2: as a hero here. Yeah, not so much. No, they
Speaker 2: find out all of this isn't isn't real? Like everything's
Speaker 2: got a pretty much innocent explanation. Yeah, the blanket's just
Speaker 2: a prop from the TV series. Yeah, the moment dad
Speaker 2: of being suspicious because he's been working while he's been claiming, yeah,
Speaker 2: claiming disability. She's going to have hair removal cream because
Speaker 2: the family are all quite downy or whatever she said
Speaker 2: the way she pronounces it, culminating in her ripping off,
Speaker 2: her ripping and opening her dressing.
Speaker 1: Gown of course, because yeah, why not.
Speaker 2: At this point, it's.
Speaker 1: Quite a moment, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: I mean, how awful must he feel when, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: realizes in that moment that he's wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then stanby Stan and him in the face
Speaker 2: of course he does.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't blame him, No, I don't at
Speaker 1: that point, just slight tangent, but that that moment just
Speaker 1: always reminds me of them. So years ago, I was
Speaker 1: in a play. There was this guy in it, my
Speaker 1: friend Nick, and he was wearing a dressing gown and
Speaker 1: at a certain point in the play he had to
Speaker 1: like to like flash his bum at me. Okay, don't ask.
Speaker 1: It was a very strange player, but yeah, so he
Speaker 1: just like lifted up, like what and I think it
Speaker 1: was quite a similar dressing gown actually, like pink and bluffy. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: like just watching this scene, just like all I can
Speaker 1: think is just I just remember Nick lifting his dressing
Speaker 1: room a dressing gown. Sorry, it's just all I can
Speaker 1: think of. Oh dear, see it on my memory. AnyWho.
Speaker 1: And then, of course if that wasn't what bad enough,
Speaker 1: agent comes in and takes away his final line. You
Speaker 1: know you can do that with a nod, with a nod.
Speaker 1: And then we jump forward in time. Ye have many
Speaker 1: months it takes before it airs.
Speaker 2: Episode one's going out or getting his James's big moment.
Speaker 2: He's not even got his face in the camera, like yeah,
Speaker 2: back of his head.
Speaker 1: It's very Mike Wazowski. I was thinking, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm on TV.
Speaker 2: You see the thing. Just thinking on that for a
Speaker 2: second of whenever you months, I think on DVD in
Speaker 2: like in a shop, they always put the price.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the commitment, like an accepted Yeah. Good
Speaker 1: DVDs were showing our age.
Speaker 2: I got rid of all the mine I took them.
Speaker 2: I took an entire shelf to see X of about
Speaker 2: fifty dvdst most of them worth a penny and I
Speaker 2: about four quid. Wow, it was amazing. I just produced
Speaker 2: this massive bag and you could see this woman's face.
Speaker 2: Fall knew she's gonna be there for the next twenty
Speaker 2: minutes pricing all this up. It's gonna be worth about
Speaker 2: three quid. But yes, So we are watching this, this
Speaker 2: last scene and Adrian's doing his best getting his little
Speaker 2: tear out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so dramatic.
Speaker 2: James just gets his little nod, turns around. He's got
Speaker 2: a massive black eye.
Speaker 1: Of course he does. I mean, as if they'd keep
Speaker 1: that in, Yeah, surely they just cut there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has well, I would say that. But is Adrian
Speaker 2: still pissed off? And he's like, no, keep that in.
Speaker 2: We're really fucked this guy over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll never work again, saying.
Speaker 2: I can only play one role. Yeah, yeah, implication that
Speaker 2: it was all just a misunderstanding. Yeah, like nothing actually
Speaker 2: was going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or was it?
Speaker 2: Because they're complaining that, you know, they can't do anything
Speaker 2: exciting because they can't change it. It's a real story,
Speaker 2: but it's not got an ending because no one knows
Speaker 2: what happens. And the Bev's like, no, no one knows
Speaker 2: what happens and looks down and we find that baby
Speaker 2: Ryan is secreted inside her doll she's been carrying around
Speaker 2: the whole episode, in an incredibly dark twist that comes
Speaker 2: out of nowhere at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's what an image, isn't it? That skeleton hand?
Speaker 2: It is, Although I can't look at it and not
Speaker 2: laugh in a way, I know what you mean because
Speaker 2: it looks so like a prop skeleton that've got from
Speaker 2: a joke shop.
Speaker 1: It does. It does.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to rationalize this in my head because
Speaker 2: it's twenty years this thing will have rotted away to nothing.
Speaker 2: The hand wouldn't hold together, it would just fall to bits. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would just be bones. So all I can imagine
Speaker 2: is that she's like got some glue and stuck it
Speaker 2: back together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she keeps fixing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only way I can rationalize this. I'd
Speaker 2: preferred if it was you know, the hair was coming
Speaker 2: away a bit on the doll's head and you could
Speaker 2: see that it was a skull inside. Oh, would have
Speaker 2: been better. Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: I think that might have been quite hard to make
Speaker 1: clear what exactly it was.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you'd had to have her open it
Speaker 2: or something, I suppose you'd have done something really dark
Speaker 2: of her opening and kissing it or something. Yeah, or
Speaker 2: something weird like that. But it just takes me out
Speaker 2: of it so much, this weird hand. Okay, it's clearly plastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about
Speaker 1: this twist. No, A bit like I don't really get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know she's you know, she's got mental
Speaker 1: health as they call it, but like, you know, why
Speaker 1: why is she stolen a baby and kept it for
Speaker 1: all this time?
Speaker 2: Well? I took it as that her parents are very overprotective.
Speaker 2: They don't let her go out. She's not got any friends. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's quite like infantile. She like a lot younger than
Speaker 2: she is Yes, so maybe when she was like ten,
Speaker 2: she was even you know, she thought of herself as
Speaker 2: a child, very young child. She saw this baby that'll
Speaker 2: be my friend and took it home. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: it died because obviously it would because she wouldn't have
Speaker 2: to care for it, and she just kept it a secret.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't decide whether I think that her
Speaker 2: parents know or not.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they do, no, because it's the
Speaker 2: way that Una very much says we don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Believably to me. Yeah, yeah, I agree, Like I can
Speaker 2: understand her saying not wanting to say out loud where
Speaker 2: you took the baby, but she just said something a
Speaker 2: bit more cryptic of well, they're probably never going to
Speaker 2: know what happened or exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think it is. It's only Bev who knows,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, but she seems quite you know, she
Speaker 1: does quite a malicious little smile at the end of
Speaker 1: evil little smile.
Speaker 2: She knows what she's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very weird and there is something to be
Speaker 1: said about I know there have been complaints about you
Speaker 1: know how a lot of episodes of this show have
Speaker 1: people who have mental health issues who murder someone just
Speaker 1: for no reason, yeah, or whatever, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's tricky one.
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the end of the day, you could
Speaker 1: argue that anyone who murders someone is not mentally.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't think she murdered the child. Well,
Speaker 2: I think she was probably a little like naive kid
Speaker 2: took the child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hid it. Yeah, it wasn't intentional in.
Speaker 2: The same way that a kid might take a snail
Speaker 2: or something and put it in a jar. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: the same sort of thing and then wonder why it
Speaker 2: died in three days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, sir, I shouldn't you usse weren't murder in
Speaker 1: that sense, but comes to the same effect at the
Speaker 1: end of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the more grim thing is the amount of
Speaker 2: dolls she's got. M Is this the only child she's taken?
Speaker 1: Are they all or many of them?
Speaker 2: Could more than one of them have? Yeah? And she
Speaker 2: just she's carrying this one around today because it's its birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like to think not because this is a big
Speaker 2: like they're making a TV drama about it. It was
Speaker 2: a big deal. This child went missing. If lots of
Speaker 2: children had gone missing, it would be that would have
Speaker 2: been said. Yeah, they're just talking about one child that
Speaker 2: went missing, unless they've moved a lot and they do know,
Speaker 2: and she has taken children all over the place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: keep an eye only child maybe would be better. But
Speaker 2: to Uner and.
Speaker 1: Stan, I mean, I think maybe maybe she's just always
Speaker 1: liked dolls and then seeing this baby left alone, she
Speaker 1: thought it was another doll maybe that she could take,
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, so it's just that's just that
Speaker 1: that's her special one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I like to hope that that's the letter
Speaker 2: of all of the evil.
Speaker 1: As well, Like on a rewatch when you know the twist.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see her holding that doll the whole
Speaker 1: time and the way the sleeve is just covering that
Speaker 1: arm arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she does hold it very lovingly throughout the episode.
Speaker 2: It's not like how a child would hold a doll
Speaker 2: of just holding it by your hand, down by your side,
Speaker 2: just dragging it along the floor kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of effect.
Speaker 2: She does really treat it affectionately. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Creepy though, oh, very creepy.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know for keeping this a secret for
Speaker 2: twenty years though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how she's managed that. And when
Speaker 1: they commented about how the place smells, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, growth, m m, well that's a fun one people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we going to give it? Out of nine?
Speaker 2: Mmm? I'm thinking of five.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm being too generous. I do
Speaker 2: enjoy it. It's fun, it is. I think it has
Speaker 2: a decent twist. I like that it's sort of a
Speaker 2: fake out twist as well, and like the fact that
Speaker 2: it's literally in the last sort of ten seconds of
Speaker 2: the episode of that that you find out when you
Speaker 2: think that there isn't one, and like the whole twist
Speaker 2: was that there wasn't a twist.
Speaker 1: Those ones are always quite fun when it's a sudden
Speaker 1: last minute, very much the last minute we contextualizes everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like devil a Christmas or that kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking for mm hmm. Yeah. So yeah, middling, yeah,
Speaker 1: good but not the best but not the worst.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, cool that time of the week. Did you
Speaker 2: spot the hair?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Would you?
Speaker 1: I'll say yes, Oh yeah, go for it. It's in
Speaker 1: her room, isn't it. It is among the dolls and things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: It's on the sort of left end of the doll shell.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's it. Yeah, nice, wonderful listeners spotted our hair.
Speaker 2: Yes, now we will tell you where it was next week.
Speaker 2: We will. It was a good one, I think. So.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we have an email i'd like to read. Oh
Speaker 1: so this was sent into us from Daniel.
Speaker 2: Hi, Daniel.
Speaker 1: The subject line says, a random act of kindness. Ah, Hello,
Speaker 1: my name is Daniel. I just wanted to say I've
Speaker 1: been loving the show lately and just wanted to thank
Speaker 1: you both for putting such a positive light into my
Speaker 1: world for the time being. I've been struggling with some
Speaker 1: things as of late, and a little beacon of hope
Speaker 1: has been listening to both of you and your wonderful
Speaker 1: commentary on my favorite show and making me feel like
Speaker 1: I'm having a good chit chat with my friends so
Speaker 1: much so, making me laugh in my college classes and
Speaker 1: having everyone look at me like a madman. I also
Speaker 1: thought it was quite cool that me and Steven saw
Speaker 1: the same London show of Stage Fright with Matt Berry.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We keep up with good work and I'll continue
Speaker 1: listening peace and bless ah. Thanks Daniel, it's a lovely email.
Speaker 1: Thank you, it was really sweet.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what it feels like when you're going
Speaker 1: through a tough time and then you've got some sort
Speaker 1: of media or something that is keeping you sort of afloat.
Speaker 1: So to be part of that for someone is yeah,
Speaker 1: very humbling. Actually yeah, yeah, we're glad. We're glad to
Speaker 1: be of some sort of help.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Oh thanks for writing in, Daniel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. We'll be back next.
Speaker 2: Week very well. For how do you plead? Indeed, until then.
Speaker 1: I think it's time to close the door on number nine.
Speaker 2: But you never really leave, do you.
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