1 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:35,399 Speaker 1: Welcome to the great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,719 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we 3 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:43,600 are going to bring you this week's episode of Dragnat, 4 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,320 But first I want to encourage you. If you're enjoying 5 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,280 the podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software. 6 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,320 Today's program is also brought to you in part by 7 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,320 the financial support of our listeners. You can support the 8 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,920 show by Maileen a one time donate to Adam Graham 9 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,719 peelbox one five nine one three. 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Two armed ben 19 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,519 It's invade the home of an elderly couple in your city. 20 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:06,200 The aging husband is tortured unmercifully before he reveals the 21 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,599 hiding place of his valuables. The two thieves make good 22 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:24,560 their escape. Your job, get them now. Dragnet the document 23 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:27,840 a drama of an actual crime. For the next thirty minutes, 24 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:31,240 in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will 25 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,400 travel step by step on the side of the law 26 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:37,360 through an actual case transcribed from official police files. From 27 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:41,319 beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the 28 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,120 story of your police force in action. 29 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,759 Speaker 2: Was Saturday, October three, was hot in Los Angeles. We 30 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,360 were working the day Watch Out of Robbery detail. My 31 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:57,479 partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Harry Didyon, Captain of robbery. 32 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,479 My name is Friday. Was eleven thirty eight pm when 33 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:06,680 I got to Georgia Street, Receiving Hospital Room five, Treatment room. Joe, Right, 34 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:07,479 how's it going, man? 35 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:09,039 Speaker 4: You're not going to be able to talk to him 36 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,840 anymore to night? Doctor said, maybe late tomorrow morning. How's 37 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,919 the old man making out? It's resting a lot better. 38 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,439 Doctor gave him a sedative. Old fellow, sure had a 39 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:18,879 rough time. Well, how about since I've been gone to 40 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:21,439 tell you anything else? No, just kept repeating the same thing. 41 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Two guys forced their way into his house, beat his wife, 42 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,319 tortured him, took all the jewelry. That's about it. 43 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:28,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I put in a call of the office. 44 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:30,159 I got a broadcast out of the information that we have. 45 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,120 There's not much to go on. 46 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: We should be able to pick up a little something 47 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,520 more tomorrow. Doc said, it's been a long time since 48 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,039 he's seen anything like this where they worked old man over. 49 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:40,319 What they do to the fella's hands anyway, the doctor 50 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:42,719 able to tell. He thinks they used a hatpin on him, 51 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,680 something like that. It's sharp and thin, at least a 52 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,439 dozen wounds in both hands. He's pretty badly burned. Too 53 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,159 hard to imagine somebody that cold blooding seventy one year 54 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:56,000 old man sols of his feet a massive burns. Wonder 55 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,759 his heart stood up through the beating I gave him. 56 00:03:57,879 --> 00:03:58,719 Speaker 2: Was he got a weak heart? 57 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 5: He's had a little trouble. 58 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:03,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, terrific shock going through something like this, it is, eh, so. 59 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: Maybe we better check back at their house. Huh see 60 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,039 how the old fella's wife is doing it? 61 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:11,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, how's it shape up for you? 62 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:14,199 Speaker 2: Well, there's not an awful lot to go on. Yet 63 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,840 it wasn't a shot in the dark. I think we 64 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,600 can count on that whoever the thieves were, they had 65 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:20,120 some kind of an inside tip. The old man and 66 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,720 his wife. Only they don't put up much of an appearance. 67 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,399 You wouldn't be have to figure that they had three 68 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,439 or four thousand and jewelry put away at home, would you. 69 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 4: Maybe his wife might have some ideas joys a lovely shame. Yeah, yeah, 70 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:34,399 you might have to understand it. They just held him up. 71 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:36,160 But working them over the way they did, there was 72 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,040 no sense to it at all. I ring to show 73 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:40,240 off what a couple of rough bums they are. Maybe 74 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:40,879 that's it them. 75 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,319 Speaker 2: Let's do them a favorite, Let's show them what it costs. 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,399 Ben and I got in the car and drove back 77 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:49,240 to the Westlake Park area to the home of the 78 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:52,079 robbery victims, seventy one year old Wendell mclung and his wife, 79 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,600 Katherine McClung. Was a one story wooden frame building gray 80 00:04:55,639 --> 00:04:59,240 shingled a typical modest four room bungalow. The men from 81 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:01,600 UNIP thirty one, who had answered the robbery call were 82 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:05,120 still there, standing by another pair of men from robbery detail. 83 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,199 Powers and Gonzales were checking the neighborhood for possible leads 84 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:12,120 on the suspects. Inside the house, Ben and I found 85 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,399 Missus McClung propped up in an easy chair in the 86 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,360 living room. She was a small, chubby woman, gray haired, 87 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:20,519 looked to be in her fifties. We assured her husband's 88 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,399 condition wasn't critical. Outside of a small bruise on her 89 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:25,959 forehead in a case of nervous upset, she seemed to 90 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,600 be all right. In recouting the story of the hold up, 91 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,079 Missus mclung told us the two bandits rang the front 92 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,519 doorbell and forced their way into the house at gunpoint, 93 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:35,560 shortly before eight o'clock that night. 94 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,399 Speaker 4: How about the color of their hair, ma'am? They're weighting hight. 95 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:42,319 Speaker 6: No, I hardly saw a thing just that one. Look 96 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,240 at them when they first pushed the way in. 97 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,959 Speaker 4: Why was that day blindfold you? Yes, they might just 98 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:48,480 as well. 99 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,759 Speaker 5: Have you see? 100 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 6: When they started to hit window my husband window, knock 101 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,759 him down. I went after them, and one of them 102 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,439 slapped me right across my face and knocked my glasses off. 103 00:05:59,639 --> 00:05:59,879 Speaker 2: See. 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,519 Speaker 6: I reached out to find them, but before I did, 105 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,439 I guess one of those gangsters stepped on them thirty 106 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:09,160 five dollar glasses, broke both of the lenses, just ruling frames. 107 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: Look at that. 108 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,519 Speaker 6: Of course, I can't see a thing without them. That's 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,399 why I say it might as well have been blindfolded. 110 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:17,199 Speaker 4: And you didn't have a chance to notice what kind 111 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,319 of clothes they had on, what they looked like at all. 112 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:23,399 Speaker 6: They weren't shabby, I know that, pretty well dressed. If 113 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:27,519 memory serves both out them in dark suits. Well, only 114 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,079 they wouldn't have broken my glasses. 115 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,399 Speaker 2: How about their voices? Ms McClay, anything unusual about the 116 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:33,240 way they talked, anything that they might have said. 117 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 6: No, I was just thinking one's name was Sam. I 118 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,480 remember that. The other one had sort of an accent 119 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,240 of some kind, maybe from the Midwest or maybe Texas, 120 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,360 one of those funny people. 121 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,519 Speaker 4: Funny people, how do you mean, man. 122 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 6: Well, you know, something like a cowboy or a farmer, 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,639 that funny kind of top. I guess I really should 124 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,319 be inside fixing you men a cup of tea. 125 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,079 Speaker 7: Maybe if you just. 126 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,639 Speaker 4: Help me up, that's all right, ma'am. 127 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:05,439 Speaker 2: You just sit there. 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 6: When my sister Dolly gets here, it shouldn't be too long. 129 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,439 I'll have her fix something. 130 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,399 Speaker 2: There's no need to bother man. We'd like to have 131 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,000 you tell us this if he can. Did your husband 132 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,759 do anything at all to provoke the two men? I mean, 133 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:16,199 did he call out for help or try to get 134 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:17,399 to a phone, anything like that. 135 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 6: And it was the jewelry we had, Wendell and I 136 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:23,279 just those fute pieces. The two men seemed in all 137 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,759 about it, just as if they had a. 138 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:26,279 Speaker 4: List of the thing. 139 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 6: Yes, when they first came in, they took my engagement 140 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,040 ring and old broach that belonged to my mother I 141 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,399 was wearing. Then they got Wendell in that chair over 142 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:37,959 there and tried to make him tell where all other 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:38,519 things were. 144 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: Well, now it's a pretty common knowledge around the neighborhood 145 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,800 here that you and your husband own expensive jewelry. 146 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: Man, No, I. 147 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 6: Don't think so. What the men seemed most interested in 148 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:52,120 was Wendell's ring, his diamond signet ring is a beautiful 149 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,480 thing for carrot N's ma'am. 150 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: We got a description on that. That was when they 151 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,199 tried to force your husband to tell him where it 152 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:58,000 was hidden. Is that right? 153 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 6: I never thought anybody'd be that cruel officer, downright cruel. 154 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,160 They burned his hands in his feet, kept hitting him 155 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:08,560 in the face with their fists. 156 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:12,639 Speaker 5: It's just terrible, poor window. 157 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 6: They finally had to tell them they went and found 158 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,519 the things, and then they came back in here and 159 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,319 ripped out the phone, warned us not to move, and 160 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,920 then they left. I just broke down and cried officer 161 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:30,000 to see poor Windle there the way they abused him. 162 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,159 Speaker 5: Yes, we understand, you're sure he's going to be all right. 163 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:34,919 Speaker 4: What did the doctors? 164 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,759 Speaker 2: Boy? He said, there's no danger. Man, Mister McClung's resting comfortably. 165 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 5: Now, well that must be my sister. 166 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:41,639 Speaker 2: Stay right here with miss mclun ben. I'll get that. 167 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:48,600 Yeah right, Joe, Hi, Jess, you and power is doing good. 168 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 8: I've been checking through the neighborhood, three four blocks around, 169 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:54,360 not an awful lot. A lot of people know the McClung's, 170 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,960 few of them know about their having jewelry. Saw anything 171 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:58,159 unusual going on to night, but. 172 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,159 Speaker 2: Thieves used the car we know that. Didn't anybody at 173 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:00,679 all spotted. 174 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:02,799 Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but there's one possibility. 175 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,759 Speaker 8: As some of the neighbors said, a young kid was 176 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,600 peddling magazines down this block tonight just about the same 177 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,440 time as a robbery. 178 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:10,399 Speaker 2: He might have spotted it just fine. Where's the boy? 179 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:11,039 Where's he lived? 180 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 8: That's what we asked the neighbors. Yeah, nobody knows. 181 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:19,879 Speaker 2: A supplementary broadcast and an APB was gotten out containing 182 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:22,039 what description we had on the two hold up men, 183 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,360 plus descriptions of each article of jewelry taken from mister 184 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,519 and missus McClung. The following morning, along with Jess Gonzalez 185 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,159 and Johnny Powers, we continued canvassing the immediate neighborhood of 186 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,559 the hold up. The only thing we got was a 187 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,159 fair description of the boy who had been selling magazines 188 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,960 the night before in the vicinity of the McClung house, 189 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,480 and also the names of the magazines he was peddling. 190 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:46,919 Monday morning, nine am, we got in touch with the 191 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:49,720 local distributor for the publications, got a list of five 192 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:52,240 boys who sold for them in that general area, and 193 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:55,320 started checking them out. Third on the list was a 194 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,840 Bill Newsom, a sophomore student at a nearby parochial high school. 195 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,200 He lived a half a dozen blocks from the mclonalds. 196 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,000 We checked at his house, but his mother told us 197 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,720 he wasn't at home. 198 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 5: I'm sure Billy, won't be long. Thank you right in here? 199 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:13,759 Speaker 6: Go ahead, thank you, sit down, won't you? 200 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: Thank you very much? 201 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 9: It must be him now, Billy in here, Yama, come 202 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:23,080 in here, Bill. Two police officers to see you. 203 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:24,039 Speaker 4: Bill. 204 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 6: This is Sergeant Friday and Sergeant Rome. Now my son, Bill, 205 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,279 would you excuse me, I'm going to have to start 206 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:29,879 fixing dinner. 207 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 9: You go right ahead and have your talk with Bill. 208 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:31,879 I'll be out in the. 209 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:32,639 Speaker 4: Kitchen all right, ma'am. 210 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 211 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 6: You speak right up now. 212 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 10: Bill, try and help the officers already. Can How can 213 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:37,840 I help you? 214 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 5: What's it all about? 215 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,279 Speaker 4: We understand you have a magazine rout the neighborhood. Billy, 216 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:43,120 your mother tells us you were up selling this last 217 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:43,799 Saturday night. 218 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 10: Yes, sir, that's right. Thursdays and Saturday. Is there my 219 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,000 regular nights. I don't really sell though, how do you mean, son? Well, 220 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,240 you see, I line up all my customers ahead of time. 221 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,279 I got a regular list of people who buy from 222 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,440 me every week. I don't do any door to door 223 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:57,600 selling out. Well, he's not much good. 224 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: And I see if you have a regular customer on 225 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,039 your list with the name of McClung. Bill it's mc 226 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,159 clio engine. 227 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, mister McClung. 228 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 10: Once a month he takes a gardening magazine comes out 229 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:08,200 the last week and every month. 230 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: Were you over near the mclung's place Saturday night? You remember? Yeah? 231 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 5: I was. 232 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,639 Speaker 10: I went right by it. I've got customers all along 233 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,840 that block there, say, this wouldn't be about that robbery. 234 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 4: I've tried, Bill and you heard about it. 235 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 10: After church Sunday. A couple of kids would go to 236 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,080 the same school I do. They deliver right around the McClung's. 237 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:25,879 They heard about it. 238 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:28,279 Speaker 4: What time was it when you went by their Saturday night? 239 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,320 You remember? Oh, about a. 240 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,399 Speaker 10: Couple of months after nine, I guess maybe a quarter after. 241 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:36,480 When I heard about the robbery on Sunday, I thought 242 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,600 maybe I ought to tell somebody about it. I wasn't 243 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:40,000 sure about it, you know, I didn't want to be 244 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:40,399 a test. 245 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: What do you mean, so you weren't sure about what this? 246 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 4: Dark? 247 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,039 Speaker 10: Lucy Dan, I saw a parked on the street there, 248 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,320 just a couple of houses down from the mclung's place. 249 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,559 The reason I even noticed it was because it was 250 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,919 a new car, almost to bring a new car. But 251 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,840 it looked like the license plates on it were kind 252 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,159 of old. 253 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: What else? 254 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 10: Well, I delivered some magazines to missus Brewbaker, and I 255 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:03,000 got my money for him, and then coming down the stairs, 256 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,519 I saw these two men. I'm not sure they came 257 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,080 out of mister mccleomb's house. It's dark, you know, but 258 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:11,000 I thought that's where they came from. Anyway, they went 259 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:13,039 down the street and got in the car and took off. 260 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,200 Seemed to be in a hurry. 261 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,639 Speaker 4: Well, what did the two men look like? 262 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:15,919 Speaker 2: Bill? 263 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:16,759 Speaker 4: Did you have any idea? 264 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,799 Speaker 10: No, I didn't see him too well, it wasn't too 265 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,639 close to him. I was about from all here and 266 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:24,919 across the street from him. 267 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 4: How about their clothes you noticed in them and doll? 268 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,759 Speaker 10: Yeah, they had suits on, dark suits, I know that. 269 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:33,039 Speaker 2: How would you describe their builts on? Medium? Tall, fat, skinny? 270 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:33,679 What would you say? 271 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,279 Speaker 10: Well, I think i'd say medium, Yeah, both a medium. 272 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,519 Speaker 2: Now about that car built? You said it was a 273 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,960 dark Bluesiday and new model and the license plates looked 274 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:42,720 kind of old. Is that right? 275 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:45,519 Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. That's how I first noticed it, parked 276 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:49,679 down by the restaurant. Was that about seven p fifteen 277 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,120 when I started my route down on South Benson. I 278 00:12:53,159 --> 00:12:55,519 saw the same car parked outside the restaurant down there. 279 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,480 Forget the name of the place now, it just opened 280 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,120 about a month ago. 281 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: Sure it was the same. 282 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure. That's why I noticed 283 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,879 it again when I shot up by mclung's place. So 284 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,080 it looked kind of terrible, brand new car like that, 285 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:09,240 but old license plates. 286 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: By any chance, Son, do you remember the licensed number 287 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:12,879 on those plates? 288 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 10: No, sir, I didn't notice it at all. I'll tell 289 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,720 you what, Tom, Yeah, if I see that car again, 290 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,080 I'll be sure and get the number for you. 291 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,879 Speaker 2: Before we left the home of sixteen year old Bill Newsom, 292 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,200 we got a complete description of the car, which he'd 293 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,320 seen part near the McClung's home on the night of 294 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,720 the robbery. He told us it was a nineteen fifty 295 00:13:34,799 --> 00:13:39,240 Hudson four door Sedan, dark blue, white sidewall tires. We 296 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,159 relayed the information downtown to robbery detail. After we left 297 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,159 the boy's house, we drove to the vicinity of the 298 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,159 restaurant on South Benson, where the Newsom boy had first 299 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:51,679 spotted the Hudson Sedan. After making the rounds of several 300 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,399 bars and coffee counters in the area. We started checking 301 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,279 at the restaurant. It was newly opened, just as the 302 00:13:57,279 --> 00:13:59,799 boy had described it, full of glass, brick and fancy 303 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:03,000 mind in stonework. The main bar was situated just off 304 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,440 the lobby set apart from the main dining room. We 305 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,440 interviewed the head bartender and he thought he remembered serving 306 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,200 two customers. Answering the general description of the hold up 307 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,679 man on the previous Saturday night. 308 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,039 Speaker 5: A bad looking pair. They're in a little early, around 309 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,600 seven fifteen, seven thirty. They seem to be all right. 310 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: Do you remember what they looked like at all? 311 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 5: No, I didn't notice them that much, Officer. 312 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: Can you give it some general idea or on the young. 313 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,639 Speaker 5: Side, I guess not more than twenty eight point thirty 314 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,000 one of them talk like a Midwestern or any think 315 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:34,600 you know, maybe Arkansas, Texas, someplace like that, because. 316 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,879 Speaker 2: You give us any idea what they were wearing, which 317 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:36,600 you remember. 318 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 5: That had the suits on dark suits, one had on 319 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:41,159 a gray at And that's about all I remember. The 320 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:43,159 reason I can place him at all is because Saturday 321 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,240 was a pretty slow night at the bar. It's a 322 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:46,919 new place here, you know. It takes a little time 323 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:47,919 to culivate the trade. 324 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: Well, did these two men stop for dinner here? Do 325 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,080 you remember that? 326 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,399 Speaker 11: No? 327 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 5: No, they sat right here at the bar and had 328 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,879 a couple of beers and then they left. No dinner. 329 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 4: Did you went on them? 330 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,159 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, sir, I did. I served them, bought a 331 00:14:57,159 --> 00:14:59,320 bottle of beer, imported the Dutch beer. 332 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: A bit of that imported beer, do you no? 333 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:05,159 Speaker 5: Not here? No, it's mostly cocktails for these two colors, 334 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,559 the only ones I remember asking for it? 335 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,639 Speaker 2: Or do you remember if the two men handled the 336 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:09,519 beer bottles at all? 337 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 5: They handled them? 338 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,559 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, did you quarter? 339 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 5: I filled up the glasses and set the bottle down. 340 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,519 I guess they did handle them. They emptied the bottle. 341 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:19,639 They almost have to, wouldn't they. 342 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: Would you still have those two bottles on the hand? 343 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 5: Let's see todays and yeah, I guess they would. They 344 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,279 don't pick up the empty store something around the middle. 345 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: Of the week. We'd like to take a look at them, 346 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,519 if you don't mind for sure thing. 347 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,559 Speaker 5: You guys just want to follow me down the bargets 348 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:31,919 in the store. 349 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: I'm just back, all right, let's go. 350 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:37,039 Speaker 5: Right back. 351 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: You're also fine. 352 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,159 Speaker 5: Let's see yeah, yeah, the right of them here there, 353 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,279 you go holland labeled only ones in the whole case 354 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,679 the same to I serve those fellows. Yeah, what do 355 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:51,799 you think fingerprints? 356 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: Maybe? 357 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 5: And as soon as you get the fingerprints, you can 358 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:54,919 pick them up, can't you. 359 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:56,679 Speaker 4: Yeah? When we find the men they blow them to. 360 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: Monday six pm, we call Layton Fingerprints and they came 361 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,120 out to check the evidence. First, they obtained a set 362 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:09,120 of the bartender's fingerprints to serve as a basis for comparison. 363 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:12,320 Then they dust at each of the empty beer bottles carefully. 364 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,559 After the various sets of prints were lifted off the bottles, 365 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:17,320 the men went back to the office to run the 366 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,519 sets through, classify their findings, and then turn them over 367 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:23,720 to R and I for further checking. While they worked 368 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,320 on it, Ben and I ducked out and had a 369 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,879 sandwich and a bowl of soup for dinner. Seven twenty 370 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:31,159 five pm we got back to the city Hall. 371 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,039 Speaker 4: I sure I am getting tired of the kind of 372 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,159 food that guy serves, Joe. It seems to get worse 373 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,200 every time of going there. 374 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: Wasn't very good, was it. 375 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:41,639 Speaker 4: I'm willing to bet I know his formula for the 376 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,480 soup two gallons of hot water and one booyon cube. Well, 377 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:47,320 I've gone and done it before. I may still do 378 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,639 it again, but that bring my dinner from home in 379 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,320 a paper sack pack A thermost full of hot coffee 380 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,639 be a better deal than a cross the street. 381 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: I know about that. You remember the last time you 382 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,440 had your wife fix you up a thermist full of coffee? 383 00:16:57,679 --> 00:16:57,879 Speaker 5: Yeah? 384 00:16:57,879 --> 00:16:58,759 Speaker 2: I almost forgot. 385 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: Wasn't any betterness to to across the street? Hi? 386 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 7: Where are you two? 387 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:03,519 Speaker 11: Bent? 388 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:03,879 Speaker 12: Hi? 389 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 4: Jess getting sempty latent? 390 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 8: Prince called just a minute ago, told him I'd give 391 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:08,640 you the message. 392 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: What's that? 393 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 8: Well, the Prince. They lifted off those beer bottles, checked 394 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,519 them through the record bureau. 395 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, found two sets. 396 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:33,519 Speaker 12: They made both of them. 397 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,279 Speaker 2: October fifth, Saturday, seven pm. The two sets of fingerprints 398 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:40,279 which had been lifted from the empty beer bottles were 399 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,200 checked through R and I and identified as those belonging 400 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,720 to two known criminals. The first was Henry Vincent Moss WMA, 401 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:51,000 twenty nine years old. He'd served two terms in the 402 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:54,400 county jail for burglary and grand theft auto and one 403 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,039 term in San Quentin for robbery. The second was Ernest 404 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,000 Robert Windsor WMA, eight eight years old. His home was 405 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:05,200 listed as Little Rock, Arkansas, where he'd twice been convicted 406 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,000 on charges of first degree burglary and served time at 407 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,839 the Arkansas State Penitentiary. We pulled the packages on both 408 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:14,400 of them. Men checked the last known addresses but failed 409 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,200 to locate either of them. To double check their identification, 410 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,960 we showed mugshots of Windsor and Moss to the robbery 411 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,680 and torture victims, mister and Missus McClung. They gave positive 412 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,559 identification of both men, so did the bartender at the 413 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,240 restaurant where they'd stopped for the beer. We got out 414 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:32,839 a broadcast and an all points bulletin on them. Immediately, 415 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,359 we began the routine leg work, checking with all the friends, relatives, 416 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,319 and associates who were listed on the Mama sheet and 417 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,240 each suspects package. As usual, it was a long, monotonous hall. 418 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:46,279 One of the persons listed as fairly close to Ernest 419 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:49,119 Windsor was an ad of his, a Missus Marie Ralph, 420 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,799 whom we located at her home in the Echo Park district. 421 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 9: No, I haven't seen Ernest in almost a year, Sergeant. 422 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,319 What is it you want him for? 423 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,079 Speaker 4: I'd like to talk to you about a few minutes, 424 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,200 missus Roff, you don't mind. 425 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 9: I don't know how I can help you. You can 426 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,720 come in for a minute if you want. I've got 427 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:04,400 to go out and do some errands pretty soon though, 428 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:08,799 all right, ma'am, right in here, sit down if you want. 429 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,759 Speaker 2: Thank you very early. 430 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,319 Speaker 9: Let's got finished taking care of my little children here, 431 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,559 giving him nice, clean. 432 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,559 Speaker 4: Cages, good sayings. They all canaries, ma'am. 433 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 9: Oh, yes, Oskar and Ethel. That's these two here. They're 434 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,920 both genuine rulers. Their grand folks came from Germany. Beautiful singers, 435 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,759 wonderful company, Yes, sir. My others are pretty too. They're 436 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,319 only choppers, though, ma'am. Choppers. They're different than rulers. They 437 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,920 sing much louder, maybe not as nicely. But I don't 438 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,160 like to play favorites. I like all of them. You 439 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,400 have bird, Sergeant, No, ma'am you should. I think everybody 440 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,480 should have a canary in the house. Cheerful, you know, 441 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,519 wonderful company. Don't know what I do without mine. 442 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: How bout your nephew, Ernest ms Rolf. Have you any 443 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,839 idea at all how we could contact him? 444 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,599 Speaker 9: As I say, it's been almost a year since I 445 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,519 last heard from him. 446 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: What would this be about, sergeant, mister routine investigation? Man, 447 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,319 We understand that you're quite close to your nephew, that 448 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,480 he lived with you for a time. 449 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 9: Yes, that's right, he did. When you come right down 450 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,880 to it, Ernie's a good boy, kept bad company. That's 451 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,119 what I always said, got him in trouble two three 452 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,079 times expo. 453 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,799 Speaker 2: As you know that you live alone here in the 454 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:08,720 house to your Ms Israel, Yes that's right, sergeant, say, 455 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:11,240 I'm a widow, husband's gone a good many years now. 456 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:13,319 You don't take in borders or anyone like that. 457 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,279 Speaker 9: Oh no, just me and my pet savior their company. 458 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: Enough. I wonder if you'd explain that laundry piled up 459 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,079 in the bed there in the next room. 460 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:21,319 Speaker 7: Man. 461 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,279 Speaker 2: Oh that the men's shirt, stockings, the underwear, they're right 462 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:25,440 there in the bed there. Well. 463 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,519 Speaker 9: I usually try to keep things in better order than that. 464 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,640 Just some laundry I do, Sergeant, little odd jobs for 465 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,599 some of the bachelormen in the neighborhood. I do it 466 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:33,480 as a favor for him. 467 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 4: And you're sure about that, Miss Rah, Well, what do you. 468 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,839 Speaker 9: Want Ernest for? Why do you have to chase after him? 469 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,240 All the time persecuting him. 470 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 4: We're not persecuting him ever. 471 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,839 Speaker 9: Since he's coming from Arkansas, it's been nothing but police 472 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,359 chasing after him. Can't you give her any a chance? 473 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,640 All he wants is a chance, he told me to himself. 474 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,799 Speaker 2: We checked through his record, Miss Ralph. He's had all 475 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:54,880 the chances in the world, and nobody's persecuting him. 476 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 9: Why are you chasing him again, hunting him down? Why 477 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,640 did you leave him alone for a spell? Give him 478 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,319 a chance to get a job, do something. Why are 479 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:02,960 you chasing him? 480 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is a robbery charge, Mims, Ralf. He's been 481 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,880 positively identified. He and Henry Moss forced their way into 482 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,119 an old couple's home a few weeks back. They tortured 483 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,039 the old man and they beat him till he was unconscious. 484 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:13,039 That's what we want Ernie for. 485 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 9: How do you know it was Ernie? 486 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 4: Could have made a mistake, no mistake, ma'am. The victims 487 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,960 identified his picture and there wasn't a doubt in their mind. 488 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 9: I'm where is he sure that's the truth? You sure 489 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,079 it's Ernie again? 490 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am again. You can have all the proof you need. 491 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 9: And the last time he told me he swore on 492 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,000 the memory of his own mother. He swore he wouldn't 493 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,319 do anything wrong again. I guess I just don't know. 494 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: Ernest, where is he, ma'am? You want to tell us. 495 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 9: The last time? Starting, I'm sorry, Ernie's at his last time, Yes, ma'am. 496 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,920 He's sleeping the room over the garage. You find him there. 497 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: Ernest Windsor was apprehended and placed under arrest. His room 498 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:56,599 was searched, as well as the entire home of his aunt, 499 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,359 Missus Marie Ralf. We failed to find a trace of 500 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,680 any of the jewels restolen from mister and Missus McClung. 501 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:04,519 After we made arrangements for a stake out on the house, 502 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,920 Windsor was taken downtown to the interrogation room, where Jess 503 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Gonzalez Ben and I questioned him for five hours. He 504 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:14,160 refused to tell us anything. At a special show up, 505 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,559 he was positively identified as one of the holdup men 506 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:19,319 by the two victims. Windsor was booked at the main 507 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,519 jail on suspicion of two eleven PC. The investigation went on. 508 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:27,119 Every possible lead on the other suspect, Henry Moss was 509 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,319 checked out. We got nowhere. It was obvious that either 510 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,839 Moss was in possession of all the jewelry stolen from 511 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:35,519 the mcclungs, or it had been hidden away someplace known 512 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:38,759 only to Windsor and Moss. From time to time we 513 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,720 had Windsor taken from his jail's cell for questioning. It 514 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:43,920 wasn't hard to tell he was bothered with the possibility 515 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,079 that perhaps Moss had run off with the entire loot 516 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:49,599 and was enjoying himself while Windsor spent his time in jail. 517 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,400 We worked hard on that particular angle while we questioned him, 518 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,799 but Windsor still refused to break to give us any 519 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,559 kind of a lead on Moss. A month passed Wednesday, 520 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,039 November eighth. 521 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 4: Sure working out into a dull routine. A full month 522 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,160 we got exactly what we started with. 523 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna only get Windsor to break it. It'd 524 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,200 sure do a lot toward wrapping this thing up, wouldn't it. 525 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 4: I don't know what he figures he's gonna game, but 526 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,640 keep him quiet. 527 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 528 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:14,559 Speaker 4: Gonzalez and Johnny Power said they were checking out a 529 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:16,799 tip from some informant this morning. We're supposed to know 530 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:17,759 where Henry Moss is. 531 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: I wonder if they found any luck. They ought to 532 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,000 be back by now. 533 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, Hey, Jess, oh hi, how about it? 534 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:25,559 Speaker 2: Did you do any good this morning? 535 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:25,799 Speaker 12: Oh? 536 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 11: Not a bit. 537 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 8: Informant didn't even show up. Johnny's going to meet him 538 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,599 this afternoon. Doesn't look to be very much. How about you, fellas. 539 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: The same, Jess. We're going as slow as you or 540 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:34,880 I'll get it. 541 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: Robbery Friday, Yeah, George h Third and Maine. You sure right, yeah, 542 00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:45,680 right away? Well maybe we got a break. What is 543 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:47,559 Henry Moss? He tried to hock a ring at a 544 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,720 pawn shop third and Maine about twenty minutes ago. You 545 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:51,799 make it? Well? The pawnbroker's stalled him. He didn't know 546 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:52,880 for sure that the guy was hot. 547 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,599 Speaker 4: How's his stan? 548 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:55,799 Speaker 2: Moss said he'd come back to close the deal. When 549 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:02,519 half an hour eleven fifty five am, a special detail 550 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,279 of men, including Gonzales and Powers, Ben and myself were 551 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,559 sent to cover the pawn shop near Third in Maine. 552 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,079 Gonzalesen Power staked out in stores adjoining the place. Ben 553 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,279 and I were stationed inside the pawnshop. Another team of 554 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,359 men covered the rear exit. We waited the suspect Henry 555 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,839 Moss failed to show at the appointed time. We kept 556 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:24,599 waiting one pm, one thirty no sign of him. At 557 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,279 one forty five pm, a young looking, dark haired man 558 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,640 and a neat gray suit entered the shop and approached 559 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,359 the manager at the rear counter. There wasn't any mistaking 560 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,440 him Henry Moss. He surrendered himself without even protesting. We 561 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,519 took him to the City Hall to the interrogation room, 562 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:42,440 where we started to question him. Meantime, Gonzalesen Powers located 563 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,440 the apartment where the suspect had been staying. His rooms 564 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,680 and personal belongings were searched and every piece of the 565 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,119 missing jewelry recovered. Surprisingly enough, in contrast to his partner 566 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,119 Ernie Windsor, Moss was cooperative, even obliging. We had a 567 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,920 stenographer take his full statement, and then we got ready 568 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,799 to move him over to the main g for booking. 569 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 4: Just a couple of questions before we leave, Moss, Sure, 570 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,759 so I didn't go ahead? We've had you in here before. 571 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:07,519 How come all the cooperation this time? 572 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:08,079 Speaker 2: Why not? 573 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 13: I had it figured before time? If you got me, 574 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,119 you'd have everything you need on You wouldn't do much 575 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,200 good putting in a beef with it. 576 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,839 Speaker 2: Whose idea was it to start with Moss the hold 577 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,680 up deal yours? Or was it Windsors both of us? 578 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 13: I guess I didn't want to get rough with the 579 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,640 old man. I mean the way Ernie did that part 580 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,359 I didn't like. All I wanted was a loot and 581 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,200 he just lost his head too bad? 582 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:27,759 Speaker 2: All right? 583 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 5: You ready to go anytime? 584 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,839 Speaker 2: Sergeant? 585 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 13: Hey, I wonder if I could ask a favorite, what's that? Well, 586 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,839 it's gonna get a little tough, and they're in a jail. 587 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,680 I wonder if we couldn't stop for a good steak 588 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400 in some French fries first, huh, maybe some good restaurant 589 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,720 around here. 590 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: Now, it won't work, Moss, you know I wouldn't try anything. 591 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 4: You put your order in a long time ago, Masstin. 592 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,079 What do you mean when you worked over that old couple. Yeah, 593 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,559 that's when you ordered jail food. 594 00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: The star you have just heard was rule. The names 595 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,279 were changed to protect the innocent. 596 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 11: On March's second trial was held in Superior Court, Department 597 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,240 eighty eight, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 598 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:21,119 In a moment the results of that trial, Ernest Windsor 599 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,759 and Henry Moss were tried and convicted on one count 600 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,000 of first degree robbery and one count of assault with 601 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,960 intent to do great bodily harm. Both men are now 602 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,480 serving their terms in the state penitentiary. First degree robbery 603 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,799 is punishable by imprisonment for no less than one nor 604 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,759 more than ten years. 605 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,839 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, the lives of millions of ragged and 606 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,279 helpless Koreans depend on the unneeded clothes in your closet. 607 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,519 Help these men, women and children live through the winter. 608 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:53,119 Send your clean, unneeded clothing and shoes, prepaid directly to 609 00:26:53,200 --> 00:27:00,359 the Ark Maspeth, New York, or the Ark Oakland, California. 610 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,319 Speaker 11: You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases 611 00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,640 from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of 612 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,079 Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. 613 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 5: Stay tuned for Counterspy next over NBC. 614 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You definitely have to appreciate their angers at 615 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,799 the actions of the robbers. They were very cruel and cowardly, 616 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,319 and you can understand why they would not grant this request. 617 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,720 Although I do have to remember the Big cast where 618 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,680 they took a serial killer to a health food restaurant 619 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,960 and he was able to order a really nice meal. 620 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,960 Of course, he hadn't given his confession. So the moral 621 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,680 of the story might be, if you're a criminal wanting 622 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,599 one last nice meal before years of prison food, make 623 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,079 the request before you've given the police everything they want, 624 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960 particularly when you've done a violent crime with which they 625 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,559 are going to have no sympathy whatsoever. All right, well, 626 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,920 now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 627 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,039 and I want to thank Robert, Patreon supporter since March, 628 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,160 currently supporting the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of 629 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,559 seven dollars and fourteen cents or more per month. Thanks 630 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,000 so much for your support, Robert, and that will do 631 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,759 it for today. 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Johnny 636 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:09,680 ad doll are ware. 637 00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:10,279 Speaker 7: Here, sir. 638 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: There's a picture of him in this. 639 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,799 Speaker 7: Group photograph taken on the occasion are one hundred aniversary. 640 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,359 Speaker 3: I feel like ore a hell beaver. 641 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,799 Speaker 11: I'm afraid his. 642 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 7: Mighty shock of hair and magnificent Beard just led me 643 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,559 back in nineteen forty one when I hired him. 644 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,359 Speaker 11: Yes, and I suppose I. 645 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,799 Speaker 7: Should have known when he gave up pause in Surrey 646 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,240 to drive one of those newfangled motor cars. 647 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:34,119 Speaker 5: Sure have known. 648 00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,759 Speaker 7: What excuse me, but he was no longer a man 649 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,519 suited to our fine establishment. Is he the one who 650 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,039 took off with your fifty eight thousand dollars fifty eight thousand, 651 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,440 four hundred and thirty three dollars and forty one cents? 652 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,279 Speaker 5: Are you sure? 653 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: I mean sure it was he beyond the shap of 654 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,519 a doubt, sir. 655 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,279 Speaker 7: He was the only one beside myself who had a 656 00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,400 key to the vault in which we kept our building fund. 657 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,519 And when he suddenly left us three years, five months 658 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:03,039 and six teen days ago, Yes, yes I should have known. 659 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000 But you didn't discover the loss until recently. It was 660 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,559 June twenty first, but four minutes after ten that I 661 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,880 went down to the vault for the first time in 662 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720 four years. We have something extor to put aside, and 663 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,559 you discovered the money was missing. The vault was empty 664 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:26,519 except for this note. Goodbye, Suckers. Holid word signed Tuller. 665 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 11: So you see mister Dollar. 666 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I know. 667 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 7: It looks like he's our man, no question about it. 668 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,039 And you have no idea where he might have gone, 669 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,319 none whatsoever. Well, surely there must be some clue, none whatsoever, 670 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,400 but you must find him. But that was three and 671 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,000 a half years ago, exactly three years five yeteen So 672 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,359 where do I start? Unless your company decides simply to 673 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,519 reimburses for our loss, that mister Dollar is up to. 674 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:58,079 Speaker 1: You in the meantime. Send your comments to Box thirteen 675 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,920 at Great Detectives dot net, follow us on Twitter at 676 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:07,519 Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, 677 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,400 slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. This is your host, 678 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,279 Adam Graham signing off.