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<v Speaker 1>It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Corey Winfield,

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<v Speaker 1>Corey Winfield, Corey, you have a rich person's name, like

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<v Speaker 1>you should be a billionaire with the name Winfield. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>call me back, bro, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Corey Winfield. This is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast

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<v Speaker 2>and have very special guests in the studio with me today,

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Hopkins, Kimberlee. How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I am good? How are you today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing all right? You're over there dancing, Yeah, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have a good podcast today, a because we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing one, of course. I mean, you got to do

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<v Speaker 2>one to have it be good. We haven't done one

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<v Speaker 2>so long and like done a really good one, seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess we did, but it's just been

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<v Speaker 2>so long ago. Yeah, and it's just've been busy and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get out of here and complain

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<v Speaker 2>about doing this or doing that or not. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk to Kim Kim Lee Hopkins.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Kim, yes, Corey.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you talk about where you're from? How'd you

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<v Speaker 2>grow up?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I'm from Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, Southwest Detroit, I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>twelve out of thirteen children.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of kids, Kim, Yeah, a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But she did it very strong woman, Vera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But we had a really good, a really good childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we was very close growing up. She was

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<v Speaker 1>the best cook ever. Yes, everybody used to come to

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<v Speaker 1>our house and eat everybody. My mother used to cook

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<v Speaker 1>for people too. Don't fall off from the tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because a lot, Kim. And before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>more of your story, let's we should probably talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how I know you and all that good stuff. So, Kim,

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<v Speaker 2>I've known for a couple of years now, it seems like, right, yeah, Mo,

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<v Speaker 2>than couple more than two. Yeah, it's been a minute, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And you started coming to the two seventeen Recovery Center

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<v Speaker 2>and you come here for me. So you have a

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<v Speaker 2>mutual friend and he kind of introduced us to you

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<v Speaker 2>and you to us, and you know, we've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>helped you and you've helped us. You know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is great and the stuff that you do for

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<v Speaker 2>us is wonderful. I was just talking earlier because we're

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<v Speaker 2>planning for Recovery Stories Part six in July, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about like, because we like to feed people

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<v Speaker 2>because there's something about like having a meal with people,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting down with someone. It could be strangers, but everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in the room is either in recovery or has a

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<v Speaker 2>tie to recovery because you're at recovery story, so like

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<v Speaker 2>to bond with people and people you don't know and

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<v Speaker 2>to have a meal and so it's really cool. So

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<v Speaker 2>we were thinking about that and then Marnie throws out like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Kim does this kind of thing, like this is what

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<v Speaker 2>Kim does, Like well, I always see if she'd be

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<v Speaker 2>interested in doing it, and it's like, oh okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>then we started kind of joking about like because whether

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to have a catering business or not, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this be just a one time thing whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the first yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to yeah, yes, And I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like I got my first job.

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<v Speaker 2>And the people that gave us funding for this place,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it to allowed us to have this place.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm like, that's like they need to see Kim,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like a person that started out using us

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<v Speaker 2>and then like helping us by volunteering and we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to pay you and you're like hey, camp right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but but still like you volunteer here and like the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that you're doing, and then now we're gonna probably

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<v Speaker 2>have you cater the food for the event, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>look how that comes full circle. And then just by

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<v Speaker 2>you volunteering for that very first recovery stories and then

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart seeing you and going hey, man, like this woman

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<v Speaker 2>is great, you know, and and Big Perm I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was too. It was like, hey, ma, I we

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<v Speaker 2>should hire her. And you got a job by volunteering,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you'd have been like, nope, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like doing that. And that's why I tell people all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, like if you just sit at your sit

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<v Speaker 2>at home on your couch and you wait for opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to show up, it's not knocking, Like you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go out. You have to be in those places right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was there at the right place, right time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I met the head the head chef Perm.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the kitchen. Didn't even know that he

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<v Speaker 1>was the head chef. I didn't even know it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was in there just a cooking doing and everything

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do, and he just a talk and

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<v Speaker 1>it then come out that it was his kitchen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, thank you, chef for letting me come

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<v Speaker 1>in your kitchen, and we hit it off so good

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<v Speaker 1>and we were just laughing back there. Remember we was

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<v Speaker 1>laughing coming back and forth. And at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the night he was like, hey, yeah, I'm coming to

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<v Speaker 1>pick you up Friday, and that was a job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we were like, that is so cool and

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<v Speaker 2>we're so happy, Like the event went really well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we had that was the first one we ever did.

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<v Speaker 2>We did spaghetti, like we made it ourselves to serve

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<v Speaker 2>the people. Yeah, and we had salad and breaststakes and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, and so it was a lot to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but was so much fun and we did it.

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<v Speaker 1>We did and first one. And look how big it got.

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<v Speaker 2>Now how big is it now?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow? And how many people was here last time?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's many that could fit into the building

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<v Speaker 2>fire coding.

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<v Speaker 1>Because as I hear, standing room only, Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>standing room only. And the very first one, if he

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<v Speaker 1>has seats, you know, just a couple of seats empty

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<v Speaker 1>and all and the n now everybody really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get the chance. Now we have you have people rapping, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>saying the poems Gary everything, Gary did really good? Did

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<v Speaker 1>he really did.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's and that's something that I yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say yeah to that. You know, even if he was bad,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would have said yeah. I mean, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like if somebody wants to get because it's what he

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<v Speaker 2>came up and he's like, hey, I want to perform.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it okay if I do a rap? And I

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<v Speaker 2>think he asked you or something or you said you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you should ask Corey and so he did and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like yeah, you know, he started like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>freestyle and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, absolutely, and it was fun and it's cool

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<v Speaker 2>to give people like that an opportunity of the outlet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that's what I need. That's what I

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<v Speaker 2>use this podcast for. You know. I needed that, like

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<v Speaker 2>I need to entertain, I need to talk because this

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<v Speaker 2>was my kind of like my therapy almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying people love this, Oh, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know if they love it. I love it and it

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<v Speaker 2>keeps me sober. So that's what I do. But for Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>he likes threatn and we talked about that rush you

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<v Speaker 2>get and I don't get it really anymore. But like

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<v Speaker 2>early on when I would have to go introduce people

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<v Speaker 2>on stage or be in an event from a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of people.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the event we did the U fail it

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<v Speaker 1>was you excited being a MC and then you get

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<v Speaker 1>your rush.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet I mean it doesn't Yeah it was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's such an honor to do that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of don't want to screw it up. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even think I said my name when I did

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<v Speaker 2>this last U FAM last month or whatever or a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying it. I know I kept walking by.

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<v Speaker 2>Corey, I know, but I don't think I said. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, all right, thanks, here's what we're doing. Thank God,

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<v Speaker 2>and people I was like, all right, let's go. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't I don't get the nerve

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<v Speaker 2>or I don't get that rush as much as it

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, you're so calmon used to it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're just still love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I still love it, And there is there is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of like getting up there and having

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<v Speaker 2>the mic. It's just it's fun. But at first it

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<v Speaker 2>will freak you out sometimes, you know. It did. Me

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<v Speaker 2>and Gary we talked about that, like, yeah, like just

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<v Speaker 2>to get that right, he said, he was a little

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<v Speaker 2>nervous when I got up there, But that's good. You

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<v Speaker 2>can you can be nervous, and it's actually normal to

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<v Speaker 2>be nervous. And when I wasn't nervous in front like

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<v Speaker 2>this time that you fam, I was like, why am

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<v Speaker 2>I not nervous? Like what was going on right? Which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that means. But but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's something you love, like they say, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>really true. When you love it you're not working. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that just come easy to you, and it

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<v Speaker 1>feels so good to do it when you doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I love it when I'm cooking, I am

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<v Speaker 1>so it comes to me and it made me. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make it look pretty. I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>it look good, and I wanted to taste good, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something I can do and I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. I'm glad I had that gift, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so hey, so far, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice having because I have Marnie who's a great cook,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you so it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like bacon, Oh my gosh, she is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>She's good. And I don't know why I'm fat. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that's a whole other conversation and we'll do this,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do the whole Losing Weight podcast episode next.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're all going to be up here.

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<v Speaker 2>Jumping on the train. But with with your story thoughing

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<v Speaker 2>back to it, let's talk about So we talked about volunteering.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about how you got to violence. So how

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<v Speaker 2>did you end up in Travers City volunteering at Recovery

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<v Speaker 2>Stories Message of Hope Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've a friend when I came here and I've

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<v Speaker 1>just got out of the rehab and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>a sober living and I was coming up here every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day I was coming up and I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I can cook, but I'm just up here

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<v Speaker 1>doing everything and doing all my meetings and everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I heard y'all speaking of this sorry, the event

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<v Speaker 1>that was about to happen, and I was just listening

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<v Speaker 1>like wow, oh okay, I wondering what I could I cook?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think they came up and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I can cook. I went to school and

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<v Speaker 1>I am a chef. And you was like really, because

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you had to get to know me. We

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<v Speaker 1>coming up every day and you thought maybe when I

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<v Speaker 1>said you will see me every day, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was joking. You see I wasn't. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>of fun here, and at that time, it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was different, and we did have a lot of fun here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we have fun here now too, but it

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<v Speaker 2>We were new, we were opening, we were trying new things,

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<v Speaker 2>come along and you're in sober living. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they have a thing, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>like some some sober living sabits where you can even

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like what are you what else are you

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<v Speaker 2>in the women's houses, there's that guy. So what are

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing is you were so you was. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean to me, it is walking distance, which it is,

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<v Speaker 1>that was important to me because I'm still learning different

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<v Speaker 1>things and things I didn't even know, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning and that was so cool to me, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then going places because at that time we was

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<v Speaker 1>going places. Were was going rock cunting, which I never did,

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<v Speaker 1>not that guy in the rock counting, you know, never,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no I changed, you know. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>so it was so different, you know, and being around

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, being around people to have fun and sober.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I never did. I never have fun sober

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<v Speaker 1>anytime I go fishing, anytime I'm cooking, anytime were playing

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<v Speaker 1>cards around a big group of people. I never was sober.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is just taught me how to have fun

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<v Speaker 1>and being sober. So that was important, and that's important

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<v Speaker 1>to people now they have to learn how to still

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<v Speaker 2>Scary. Was it scary for you and think about that,

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<v Speaker 2>to think about how am I going to go fishing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>without drinking a little summer, have a little something.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because you always have your beer when you're drinking,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have your liquor. And it was really, it

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<v Speaker 1>talk to people without being with I mean, talk to

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<v Speaker 1>people being sober. Sometimes I have to have a drink,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then you laugh and joke and have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I can have fun now and don't even drink.

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<v Speaker 1>I can talk to people and don't even drink when

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<v Speaker 1>I go fishing. I can fishing. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>have a drink. And it's pretty cool, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>now hey, I can feel that hook in my finger.

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<v Speaker 1>I can feel oh yeah, so fun, you know, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, now it's a rush. It's a rush now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to get the hook stuck and just be

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<v Speaker 1>getting to fish up and everything. I had a ball,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a ball. I was so sore, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had a ball, you know, and I was sober. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was the ip pointing part. I was with my

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<v Speaker 1>was like how you doing? They was, they were so shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I got up and when fishing came back,

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<v Speaker 1>I went around twice in the day came back. There

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<v Speaker 1>was like you want to eat? I eat when I

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<v Speaker 1>get back. You know, it was so cool and to

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<v Speaker 1>be around people like that is so cool that you

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<v Speaker 1>can be around people that they don't dream, no cussing,

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<v Speaker 1>no fussing, nobody arguing, and nobody trying to get over

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<v Speaker 1>on you, you know, and by us being in recovery, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to find people like that. We need to find

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<v Speaker 1>good people to be around. Once you find that one

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<v Speaker 1>person to be like, oh girl, come on, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have a drink, girl, come on, you can do That's over? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's over because I mean, it's sad. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sad that people want you to do be.

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<v Speaker 2>It, and it's sometimes it's not they want you to

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<v Speaker 2>do bad, but they just say that misery loves company

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<v Speaker 2>and m you know, and especially if people are in

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<v Speaker 2>you know, early recovery several living houses with other people

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<v Speaker 2>like let's go do it together because it's gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>me not feel bad about it, and I'll justify it

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<v Speaker 2>to you, and you can give me your story and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll justify it and we'll be all good. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons why we did it. And it's because this

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<v Speaker 2>and that, and it was an incident in talent that

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<v Speaker 2>just happened. And I was talking to somebody about it

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<v Speaker 2>the other day and these people, I guess we're left

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<v Speaker 2>at the same place or something. And person wasn't real

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<v Speaker 2>happy about it, and anyway went out to start doing

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<v Speaker 2>drugs and stuff again. And that was well, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was mad. We'll use anything as an excuse, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, like, there's a lot of bad things happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not because of our what we do or

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<v Speaker 2>anybody's fault. But with the recovery community right now, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of funding being pulled because people don't need

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<v Speaker 2>help anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something, but we still need help.

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<v Speaker 2>We're good or something.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it would be a good way to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of poor people in middle class because rich people can

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<v Speaker 2>send their kids to private facilities, but middle class and

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<v Speaker 2>lower class going now, even if you have insurance, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have ten grand to pay the okay, probably

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<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe forty, maybe more, I don't know. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>about those other Okay, let's say sixty percent? Then okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have it, so what's happening to them? And

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<v Speaker 2>then if they lose their job and then my medicaid

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<v Speaker 2>wait what oh Medicaid's getting cut and all this funding

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<v Speaker 2>like I've been hearing bad thanks man, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>good and this is unacceptable for me, So we have

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<v Speaker 2>to do something about it. I'll just stay tuned. But

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<v Speaker 2>I have a son now, soap, so so I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to sit back and let the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>taking my money from my check before I even get

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<v Speaker 2>it tell me that my if my son has this

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<v Speaker 1>You see, you see, yeah, and we need to. This

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<v Speaker 1>is such a good community up here, you know, of

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<v Speaker 1>recovery people, and they really want to help and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to stick together and they do so, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's the best part that they find. It's really fine

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<v Speaker 1>for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But your average person, the one that's out there voting

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<v Speaker 2>for whoever they're voting for, I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where they kind of sidetrack people. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it one percent. Okay, maybe if it's two,

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<v Speaker 2>what if it's three. I don't care the percent, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just throwing it out there because they'll do this.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll take an issue that affects one percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole world and make it this big thing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is somebody's right to be a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, great, how about we focus on something like

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<v Speaker 2>but then you get the people that are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be that. Like I'm saying, go be that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, but let's really worry about the real issues.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like more people are dying every day because

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<v Speaker 2>they're not getting to treat me because they're not getting

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<v Speaker 2>the proper treat treatment being sent through McDonald's. The This

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<v Speaker 2>just pisses me off and it needs to change. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because and I don't know how people sit back and

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<v Speaker 2>let it happen. Like I'm somebody's kid. You're somebody's kid,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like everybody in this building, everybody in this

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<v Speaker 2>world is somebody's kid, and the parents aren't going wait wait, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on. What So you're putting a commercial in every

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<v Speaker 2>stop set, in a TV program and it's gonna have gambling.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna have liquor, gonna have something, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the kids shows probably not know now that they

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<v Speaker 2>want to sell some toys, so they'll go with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what they're trying to tell you. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>taking the money, they're reaping the benefits, and then when

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<v Speaker 2>people need help, they're like, no, kick you like a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>And I and the whole Michigan things saying, well, federals

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<v Speaker 2>taking our money, and you know what, we get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money through the syntax. And I'm talking about alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about tobacco, I'm talking about weed, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about all of it. Gambling, we could take care of people.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that if somebody writes now wants to

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<v Speaker 2>go home to treatment for gambling, if you want to go, kim, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna We're gonna have somebody to call you

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of weeks if she has time, because

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when we need help because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people still need help. A lot of people still need help,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and a lot of people it's scaring a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, you know, people are leaving, people are

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<v Speaker 1>wanting this is an excuse for a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>to get high. Yeah, you know, they're going out and

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<v Speaker 1>they leaving, and they're doing this because they're afraid. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, we can't go get help. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>know it sounds crazy, but they can't go get help,

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<v Speaker 1>so what else can they do? And this help is

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<v Speaker 1>teaching us how we can cope with things like this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm so fortunately. I'm very fortunate that I

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<v Speaker 1>got help and I learned how to cope with certain issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we need to learn how to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And we need these houses. We we need these programs

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<v Speaker 1>because people need to learn how to cope with it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why I'm out here doing this? Why am

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<v Speaker 1>I keep going out drinking? I'm drinking every day? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason why. And these these places is helping

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<v Speaker 1>us find out the reason why. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we also have to want it. We have to want

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<v Speaker 1>to change and we have to do like this. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember a time when you used to tell me, Kim,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to work the program. You have to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really want to, you can do it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I first went, I really didn't. I really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work. And you know, it didn't bother me. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I go left and came back, I realized, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, I need this helping. These people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to help me if I open up. And you have

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<v Speaker 1>to open up. And a lot of people don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know how. So we need these places for

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<v Speaker 1>that to teach us how to open up, to teach

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<v Speaker 1>us how to cope the teachers. You know, some people

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know how to get along with other people

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<v Speaker 2>That's a real thing, it is. And with being where

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<v Speaker 2>you are now, being where you've been, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>look back and I probably told you like you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to look back at this one day and be like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you did you did you?

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<v Speaker 1>When I first got here, you said You're gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>back and be like, wow, how did I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? And this happened in two years? And in

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<v Speaker 1>two years, this is so crazy. You mean to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me I'm sober? You mean tell me I got my

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<v Speaker 1>own place.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a place I know you could go to today

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<v Speaker 2>and get a job, right, you know, like and we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to cain I can go to which career path

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<v Speaker 2>should choose? You know, Like it's just two years, isn't it? Yes, idiots,

431
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<v Speaker 2>Because when you first came through your fed, sat you down,

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<v Speaker 2>said this were you can be in two years. You

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<v Speaker 2>would say, how is all that? I'm like, Kim, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is the things that are gonna be happening, right.

435
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<v Speaker 1>And it happens and and the best part of it,

436
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<v Speaker 1>it was happening so fast. And I remember you telling

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<v Speaker 1>me sometime you're just gonna just think about it and

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<v Speaker 1>tears come to your eyes, you know, And that was

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<v Speaker 1>that's really true. Tears just came to my eyes because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my goodness, why is this happening

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<v Speaker 1>to me? It's all happening, all good, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>happening back after back after back, Like wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, at a time you think you don't

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<v Speaker 1>deserve it, but when you put that work.

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<v Speaker 2>In, then you're just look back and you're like, damn, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been through some ship and some ship, and man,

447
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<v Speaker 2>I made some good decisions in there. Because you look

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<v Speaker 2>back too, and there'll be that fork in the road.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have went left right and you stayed right. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>would have been easy to go left, and so like,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I don't knock other people something it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a funny thing. I think, let's get back up and

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<v Speaker 2>let's keep going, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we go from here?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully there was a lesson in there, because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lesson every time for me. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I ran out or know, I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be that guy who killed somebody driving accident.

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<v Speaker 2>So that fear of being that guy is something that

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<v Speaker 2>motivated me. But it takes it's different for every everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And you said it best, you know, when you can

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<v Speaker 2>figure out, like why is this going on? And when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in treatment and I was like, wait, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I have abandonment issues, and you know, it started

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<v Speaker 2>really coming to me and was it the treatment center? No,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there was some good stuff I learned there

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<v Speaker 2>from good people. They don't even work there anymore, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it is what it is. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>same with all the treatment centers. People come and go,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like those therapists that are in treatment centers,

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<v Speaker 2>you're only going to see them maybe twenty eight days,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe two weeks, you know, maybe ninety days, But how

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<v Speaker 2>many times you really see them? How much can you

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<v Speaker 2>really unpack and they don't have you for a client

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<v Speaker 2>for the next year. They got you for that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how much time are they going to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in you? So like knowing what to share with them

480
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<v Speaker 2>is very important because when I first went in, I

481
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<v Speaker 2>was opening up Pandora's box and it was everything's coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was never closed. So like when I left,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, oh my god, I remembered stuff that

484
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<v Speaker 2>I forgotten I buried and now it's out here and

485
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<v Speaker 2>I can't do nothing about it. And I go see

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist about it and they were like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't treat you for that because you haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>sober for six months. You need to go see somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm I me Kate, like this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go, like exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very confusing and very weird and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know where I'm going with this. Nowoon that r

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back to some dark places and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm eating right, So my brain's a little fucky.

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<v Speaker 1>You went back to dark got lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was back. Whatever I was saying it had

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<v Speaker 2>good point to it, and I appreciate you listening that

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<v Speaker 2>was the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a dark place at I thought so.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's topped. It just stopped right in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a sentence. It just stopped right then and.

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<v Speaker 2>There, and we could stop it and go back and listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I can be like, oh, yeah, but that's no fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, So my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kim, it's it's been a it's been a blast

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<v Speaker 2>having you here though, and being around and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>making those connections, which again is so so important and

510
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<v Speaker 2>early recovery, and you have to be in a place

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<v Speaker 2>where you're at now. I think it's very awesome. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think the people that fund us, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not say hey, look at Kim, she's doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kim, you are doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you, I mean, hey, thanks to you guys

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<v Speaker 1>for all the help. And to have somebody in your corner.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. It's amazing what you can do when you

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody in your corner. Every time, anytime I needed

519
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<v Speaker 1>somebody that was here, you know, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't forgive them a way, Mitch do it? Did I

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<v Speaker 1>put him?

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<v Speaker 2>He's a few times, Kim, coach and training and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take the class through the car train, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know you still need to take the state stuff. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know computers, you know, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm old. You know. This was like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I need a raise. I need a raise.

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<v Speaker 1>Now wait a.

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<v Speaker 2>Minute, keep.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't keep doing this. I think I need another job.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a job by myself, wasn't I It was

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<v Speaker 1>so amazing. But you know one thing, y'all was still

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<v Speaker 1>y'all stuck with me. You know that's the best part.

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<v Speaker 1>You stuck with me. I can open up my computer now,

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<v Speaker 1>I can do my own tapping.

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<v Speaker 2>Telling Mitch Corey earlier that this is almost like a college,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was telling Corey to like learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>do sub lamation or whatever it's called, like put stuff

539
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<v Speaker 2>on T shirts. It was like, I don't know, Google

540
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<v Speaker 2>learn it. That's your jo. Have learned that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say do you know how to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>And you can say yea, I'm gon okay, go make this.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And Mitch has learned so much, you know, and it's like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you got this is a college. You get your credits

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<v Speaker 2>on the fifteenth and then the last day of the month,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anytime you can get someone else to pay you

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<v Speaker 2>to learn stuff, it is good. Anyway, I'm gonna wrap

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<v Speaker 2>this up though today, but Kim, thanks for coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun here.

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<v Speaker 2>They won't have you and again to get more detail

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the stuff. But you're doing good and

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<v Speaker 2>it's good to see people come through. You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of the other stories, but it's nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see the good stories once a while. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>probably appreciate you. And if you have more, I'm Kim.

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<v Speaker 2>She's actually at two seventeen recovery dot com. Go to

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<v Speaker 2>the team and you'll see Kim Willie Hopkins and that's

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<v Speaker 2>repeat And if you have the app, you can see

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<v Speaker 2>her on there as well. Thanks for listening to the

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<v Speaker 2>two seventeen Recovery podcast. Listen to over nine hundred episodes

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<v Speaker 2>on the two seventeen Recovery app that's free in your

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