Speaker 1: It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Corey Winfield,
Speaker 1: Corey Winfield, Corey, you have a rich person's name, like
Speaker 1: you should be a billionaire with the name Winfield. Anyway,
Speaker 1: call me back, bro, it is.
Speaker 2: I'm Corey Winfield. This is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast
Speaker 2: and have very special guests in the studio with me today,
Speaker 2: Kim Hopkins, Kimberlee. How are you?
Speaker 1: I am good? How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing all right? You're over there dancing, Yeah, so good.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a good podcast today, a because we're
Speaker 2: doing one, of course. I mean, you got to do
Speaker 2: one to have it be good. We haven't done one
Speaker 2: so long and like done a really good one, seriously,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we did, but it's just been
Speaker 2: so long ago. Yeah, and it's just've been busy and
Speaker 2: I don't want to get out of here and complain
Speaker 2: about doing this or doing that or not. I just
Speaker 2: want to talk to Kim Kim Lee Hopkins.
Speaker 1: So, Kim, yes, Corey.
Speaker 2: Why don't you talk about where you're from? How'd you
Speaker 2: grow up?
Speaker 1: Well? I'm from Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, Southwest Detroit, I'm the
Speaker 1: twelve out of thirteen children.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of kids, Kim, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: But she did it very strong woman, Vera.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But we had a really good, a really good childhood.
Speaker 1: You know, we was very close growing up. She was
Speaker 1: the best cook ever. Yes, everybody used to come to
Speaker 1: our house and eat everybody. My mother used to cook
Speaker 1: for people too. Don't fall off from the tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot, Kim. And before we get into
Speaker 2: more of your story, let's we should probably talk about
Speaker 2: how I know you and all that good stuff. So, Kim,
Speaker 2: I've known for a couple of years now, it seems like, right, yeah, Mo,
Speaker 2: than couple more than two. Yeah, it's been a minute, right,
Speaker 2: And you started coming to the two seventeen Recovery Center
Speaker 2: and you come here for me. So you have a
Speaker 2: mutual friend and he kind of introduced us to you
Speaker 2: and you to us, and you know, we've kind of
Speaker 2: helped you and you've helped us. You know, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is great and the stuff that you do for
Speaker 2: us is wonderful. I was just talking earlier because we're
Speaker 2: planning for Recovery Stories Part six in July, and we
Speaker 2: were talking about like, because we like to feed people
Speaker 2: because there's something about like having a meal with people,
Speaker 2: sitting down with someone. It could be strangers, but everybody
Speaker 2: in the room is either in recovery or has a
Speaker 2: tie to recovery because you're at recovery story, so like
Speaker 2: to bond with people and people you don't know and
Speaker 2: to have a meal and so it's really cool. So
Speaker 2: we were thinking about that and then Marnie throws out like, hey,
Speaker 2: Kim does this kind of thing, like this is what
Speaker 2: Kim does, Like well, I always see if she'd be
Speaker 2: interested in doing it, and it's like, oh okay, And
Speaker 2: then we started kind of joking about like because whether
Speaker 2: you wanted to have a catering business or not, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, this be just a one time thing whatever.
Speaker 1: Remember the first yes?
Speaker 2: Going back to yeah, yes, And I.
Speaker 1: Was like I got my first job.
Speaker 2: And the people that gave us funding for this place,
Speaker 2: you know it to allowed us to have this place.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, that's like they need to see Kim,
Speaker 2: you know, like a person that started out using us
Speaker 2: and then like helping us by volunteering and we wanted
Speaker 2: to pay you and you're like hey, camp right now,
Speaker 2: but but still like you volunteer here and like the
Speaker 2: stuff that you're doing, and then now we're gonna probably
Speaker 2: have you cater the food for the event, and it's like,
Speaker 2: look how that comes full circle. And then just by
Speaker 2: you volunteering for that very first recovery stories and then
Speaker 2: Stewart seeing you and going hey, man, like this woman
Speaker 2: is great, you know, and and Big Perm I think
Speaker 2: it was too. It was like, hey, ma, I we
Speaker 2: should hire her. And you got a job by volunteering,
Speaker 2: Like if you'd have been like, nope, I don't feel
Speaker 2: like doing that. And that's why I tell people all
Speaker 2: the time, like if you just sit at your sit
Speaker 2: at home on your couch and you wait for opportunity
Speaker 2: to show up, it's not knocking, Like you have to
Speaker 2: go out. You have to be in those places right right.
Speaker 1: And I was there at the right place, right time,
Speaker 1: you know. And I met the head the head chef Perm.
Speaker 1: He was in the kitchen. Didn't even know that he
Speaker 1: was the head chef. I didn't even know it. And
Speaker 1: I was in there just a cooking doing and everything
Speaker 1: I have to do, and he just a talk and
Speaker 1: it then come out that it was his kitchen, and
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you, chef for letting me come
Speaker 1: in your kitchen, and we hit it off so good
Speaker 1: and we were just laughing back there. Remember we was
Speaker 1: laughing coming back and forth. And at the end of
Speaker 1: the night he was like, hey, yeah, I'm coming to
Speaker 1: pick you up Friday, and that was a job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were like, that is so cool and
Speaker 2: we're so happy, Like the event went really well, you know,
Speaker 2: we had that was the first one we ever did.
Speaker 2: We did spaghetti, like we made it ourselves to serve
Speaker 2: the people. Yeah, and we had salad and breaststakes and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and so it was a lot to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but was so much fun and we did it.
Speaker 1: We did and first one. And look how big it got.
Speaker 2: Now how big is it now?
Speaker 1: Oh wow? And how many people was here last time?
Speaker 2: I think it's many that could fit into the building
Speaker 2: fire coding.
Speaker 1: Because as I hear, standing room only, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: standing room only. And the very first one, if he
Speaker 1: has seats, you know, just a couple of seats empty
Speaker 1: and all and the n now everybody really wanted to
Speaker 1: get the chance. Now we have you have people rapping, yeah,
Speaker 1: saying the poems Gary everything, Gary did really good? Did
Speaker 1: he really did.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's something that I yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say yeah to that. You know, even if he was bad,
Speaker 2: I probably would have said yeah. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like if somebody wants to get because it's what he
Speaker 2: came up and he's like, hey, I want to perform.
Speaker 2: Is it okay if I do a rap? And I
Speaker 2: think he asked you or something or you said you know,
Speaker 2: you should ask Corey and so he did and I
Speaker 2: was like yeah, you know, he started like kind of
Speaker 2: freestyle and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, you're good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, and it was fun and it's cool
Speaker 2: to give people like that an opportunity of the outlet.
Speaker 2: And I know that's what I need. That's what I
Speaker 2: use this podcast for. You know. I needed that, like
Speaker 2: I need to entertain, I need to talk because this
Speaker 2: was my kind of like my therapy almost.
Speaker 1: Saying people love this, Oh, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if they love it. I love it and it
Speaker 2: keeps me sober. So that's what I do. But for Gary,
Speaker 2: he likes threatn and we talked about that rush you
Speaker 2: get and I don't get it really anymore. But like
Speaker 2: early on when I would have to go introduce people
Speaker 2: on stage or be in an event from a bunch
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 1: What about the event we did the U fail it
Speaker 1: was you excited being a MC and then you get
Speaker 1: your rush.
Speaker 2: Yet I mean it doesn't Yeah it was. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's such an honor to do that, and I
Speaker 2: kind of don't want to screw it up. So I
Speaker 2: don't even think I said my name when I did
Speaker 2: this last U FAM last month or whatever or a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it. I know I kept walking by.
Speaker 2: Corey, I know, but I don't think I said. It's
Speaker 2: just like, all right, thanks, here's what we're doing. Thank God,
Speaker 2: and people I was like, all right, let's go. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I don't get the nerve
Speaker 2: or I don't get that rush as much as it
Speaker 2: used to.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you're so calmon used to it,
Speaker 1: but you're just still love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still love it, And there is there is
Speaker 2: a little bit of like getting up there and having
Speaker 2: the mic. It's just it's fun. But at first it
Speaker 2: will freak you out sometimes, you know. It did. Me
Speaker 2: and Gary we talked about that, like, yeah, like just
Speaker 2: to get that right, he said, he was a little
Speaker 2: nervous when I got up there, But that's good. You
Speaker 2: can you can be nervous, and it's actually normal to
Speaker 2: be nervous. And when I wasn't nervous in front like
Speaker 2: this time that you fam, I was like, why am
Speaker 2: I not nervous? Like what was going on right? Which
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. But but it's.
Speaker 1: When it's something you love, like they say, and it's
Speaker 1: really true. When you love it you're not working. You know,
Speaker 1: it's something that just come easy to you, and it
Speaker 1: feels so good to do it when you doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, I love it when I'm cooking, I am
Speaker 1: so it comes to me and it made me. I
Speaker 1: want to make it look pretty. I want to make
Speaker 1: it look good, and I wanted to taste good, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's something I can do and I really appreciate
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm glad I had that gift, you know,
Speaker 1: so hey, so far, so good.
Speaker 2: It's nice having because I have Marnie who's a great cook,
Speaker 2: and then you so it's.
Speaker 1: Like bacon, Oh my gosh, she is so good.
Speaker 2: She's good. And I don't know why I'm fat. I
Speaker 2: know that's a whole other conversation and we'll do this,
Speaker 2: we'll do the whole Losing Weight podcast episode next.
Speaker 1: But we're all going to be up here.
Speaker 2: Jumping on the train. But with with your story thoughing
Speaker 2: back to it, let's talk about So we talked about volunteering.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about how you got to violence. So how
Speaker 2: did you end up in Travers City volunteering at Recovery
Speaker 2: Stories Message of Hope Part one.
Speaker 1: Well, I've a friend when I came here and I've
Speaker 1: just got out of the rehab and I was in
Speaker 1: a sober living and I was coming up here every day.
Speaker 1: Every day I was coming up and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I can cook, but I'm just up here
Speaker 1: doing everything and doing all my meetings and everything. And
Speaker 1: when I heard y'all speaking of this sorry, the event
Speaker 1: that was about to happen, and I was just listening
Speaker 1: like wow, oh okay, I wondering what I could I cook?
Speaker 1: And I think they came up and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I can cook. I went to school and
Speaker 1: I am a chef. And you was like really, because
Speaker 1: I guess you had to get to know me. We
Speaker 1: had to get to learn each other because I was
Speaker 1: coming up every day and you thought maybe when I
Speaker 1: said you will see me every day, I know you
Speaker 1: thought I was joking. You see I wasn't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was here every day, I was even walking.
Speaker 2: But in your defense, I mean, some people are like, wow,
Speaker 2: like she's crazy, stalker or but we have a lot
Speaker 2: of fun here, and at that time, it was it
Speaker 2: was different, and we did have a lot of fun here.
Speaker 2: I mean we have fun here now too, but it
Speaker 2: was just it was different.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 2: We were new, we were opening, we were trying new things,
Speaker 2: and there's just kind of a new growing experience in
Speaker 2: the community and just like learning people. And then you
Speaker 2: come along and you're in sober living. I don't even
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have a thing, but there's
Speaker 2: like some some sober living sabits where you can even
Speaker 2: have a job for the first sixty day or thirty days.
Speaker 2: You know, like what are you what else are you
Speaker 2: supposed to do? You know, are you just going to
Speaker 2: sit at home and talk about and listen to or
Speaker 2: listen to people talk about all the fun drugs they
Speaker 2: used to do. Because there's one guy in every house
Speaker 2: in the world, every sober living home, there's a guy
Speaker 2: there is and yeah, there's that guy every house, even
Speaker 2: in the women's houses, there's that guy. So what are
Speaker 2: your options? You know, like, hey, it's right down the street,
Speaker 2: might as well, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And one thing is you were so you was. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, it is walking distance, which it is,
Speaker 1: and I can come every day and I can do
Speaker 1: something different every day, and then I can hear something
Speaker 1: different and I can learn something different every day. And
Speaker 1: that was important to me because I'm still learning different
Speaker 1: things and things I didn't even know, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm learning and that was so cool to me, you know.
Speaker 1: And then going places because at that time we was
Speaker 1: going places. Were was going rock cunting, which I never did,
Speaker 1: not that guy in the rock counting, you know, never,
Speaker 1: you know, no I changed, you know. So it was
Speaker 1: so it was so different, you know, and being around
Speaker 1: one thing, being around people to have fun and sober.
Speaker 1: That's what I never did. I never have fun sober
Speaker 1: anytime I go fishing, anytime I'm cooking, anytime were playing
Speaker 1: cards around a big group of people. I never was sober.
Speaker 1: And this is just taught me how to have fun
Speaker 1: and being sober. So that was important, and that's important
Speaker 1: to people now they have to learn how to still
Speaker 1: have fun, but they have to be stay sober.
Speaker 2: Scary. Was it scary for you and think about that,
Speaker 2: to think about how am I going to go fishing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: without drinking a little summer, have a little something.
Speaker 1: Right, because you always have your beer when you're drinking,
Speaker 1: and you have your liquor. And it was really, it
Speaker 1: was really scared. It was scared to come out and
Speaker 1: talk to people without being with I mean, talk to
Speaker 1: people being sober. Sometimes I have to have a drink,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you laugh and joke and have fun.
Speaker 1: Now I can have fun now and don't even drink.
Speaker 1: I can talk to people and don't even drink when
Speaker 1: I go fishing. I can fishing. I don't have to
Speaker 1: have a drink. And it's pretty cool, you know, because
Speaker 1: now hey, I can feel that hook in my finger.
Speaker 1: I can feel oh yeah, so fun, you know, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, now it's a rush. It's a rush now,
Speaker 1: you know, to get the hook stuck and just be
Speaker 1: getting to fish up and everything. I had a ball,
Speaker 1: I had a ball. I was so sore, but I
Speaker 1: had a ball, you know, and I was sober. And
Speaker 1: that was the ip pointing part. I was with my
Speaker 1: brother and my sister in law down there and there
Speaker 1: was like how you doing? They was, they were so shocked.
Speaker 1: You know. I got up and when fishing came back,
Speaker 1: I went around twice in the day came back. There
Speaker 1: was like you want to eat? I eat when I
Speaker 1: get back. You know, it was so cool and to
Speaker 1: be around people like that is so cool that you
Speaker 1: can be around people that they don't dream, no cussing,
Speaker 1: no fussing, nobody arguing, and nobody trying to get over
Speaker 1: on you, you know, and by us being in recovery, we
Speaker 1: need to find people like that. We need to find
Speaker 1: good people to be around. Once you find that one
Speaker 1: person to be like, oh girl, come on, you can
Speaker 1: have a drink, girl, come on, you can do That's over? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's over because I mean, it's sad. It's
Speaker 1: sad that people want you to do be.
Speaker 2: It, and it's sometimes it's not they want you to
Speaker 2: do bad, but they just say that misery loves company
Speaker 2: and m you know, and especially if people are in
Speaker 2: you know, early recovery several living houses with other people
Speaker 2: like let's go do it together because it's gonna make
Speaker 2: me not feel bad about it, and I'll justify it
Speaker 2: to you, and you can give me your story and
Speaker 2: I'll justify it and we'll be all good. And here's
Speaker 2: the reasons why we did it. And it's because this
Speaker 2: and that, and it was an incident in talent that
Speaker 2: just happened. And I was talking to somebody about it
Speaker 2: the other day and these people, I guess we're left
Speaker 2: at the same place or something. And person wasn't real
Speaker 2: happy about it, and anyway went out to start doing
Speaker 2: drugs and stuff again. And that was well, because I
Speaker 2: was mad. We'll use anything as an excuse, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, like, there's a lot of bad things happening,
Speaker 2: and it's not because of our what we do or
Speaker 2: anybody's fault. But with the recovery community right now, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of funding being pulled because people don't need
Speaker 2: help anymore.
Speaker 1: Or something, but we still need help.
Speaker 2: We're good or something.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, something.
Speaker 2: Well, it would be a good way to get rid
Speaker 2: of poor people in middle class because rich people can
Speaker 2: send their kids to private facilities, but middle class and
Speaker 2: lower class going now, even if you have insurance, okay,
Speaker 2: do you have ten grand to pay the okay, probably
Speaker 2: maybe maybe forty, maybe more, I don't know. Okay, what
Speaker 2: about those other Okay, let's say sixty percent? Then okay,
Speaker 2: they don't have it, so what's happening to them? And
Speaker 2: then if they lose their job and then my medicaid
Speaker 2: wait what oh Medicaid's getting cut and all this funding
Speaker 2: like I've been hearing bad thanks man, and it's not
Speaker 2: good and this is unacceptable for me, So we have
Speaker 2: to do something about it. I'll just stay tuned. But
Speaker 2: I have a son now, soap, so so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to sit back and let the people that are
Speaker 2: taking my money from my check before I even get
Speaker 2: it tell me that my if my son has this
Speaker 2: problem one day that he can't go get help.
Speaker 1: You see, you see, yeah, and we need to. This
Speaker 1: is such a good community up here, you know, of
Speaker 1: recovery people, and they really want to help and we
Speaker 1: have to stick together and they do so, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the best part that they find. It's really fine
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: But your average person, the one that's out there voting
Speaker 2: for whoever they're voting for, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: And this is where they kind of sidetrack people. Hey,
Speaker 2: what is it one percent. Okay, maybe if it's two,
Speaker 2: what if it's three. I don't care the percent, but
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing it out there because they'll do this.
Speaker 2: They'll take an issue that affects one percent of the
Speaker 2: whole world and make it this big thing. And you know,
Speaker 2: this is somebody's right to be a woman.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, great, how about we focus on something like
Speaker 2: but then you get the people that are like, hey,
Speaker 2: I want to be that. Like I'm saying, go be that.
Speaker 2: That's fine, but let's really worry about the real issues.
Speaker 2: You know, like more people are dying every day because
Speaker 2: they're not getting to treat me because they're not getting
Speaker 2: the proper treat treatment being sent through McDonald's. The This
Speaker 2: just pisses me off and it needs to change. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because and I don't know how people sit back and
Speaker 2: let it happen. Like I'm somebody's kid. You're somebody's kid,
Speaker 2: you know, like everybody in this building, everybody in this
Speaker 2: world is somebody's kid, and the parents aren't going wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: hold on. What So you're putting a commercial in every
Speaker 2: stop set, in a TV program and it's gonna have gambling.
Speaker 2: It's gonna have liquor, gonna have something, you know. I
Speaker 2: mean the kids shows probably not know now that they
Speaker 2: want to sell some toys, so they'll go with that.
Speaker 2: But that's what they're trying to tell you. So they're
Speaker 2: taking the money, they're reaping the benefits, and then when
Speaker 2: people need help, they're like, no, kick you like a dog.
Speaker 2: And I and the whole Michigan things saying, well, federals
Speaker 2: taking our money, and you know what, we get a
Speaker 2: lot of money through the syntax. And I'm talking about alcohol,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about tobacco, I'm talking about weed, I'm talking
Speaker 2: about all of it. Gambling, we could take care of people.
Speaker 2: And the fact that if somebody writes now wants to
Speaker 2: go home to treatment for gambling, if you want to go, kim, sorry,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna We're gonna have somebody to call you
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks if she has time, because
Speaker 2: there's not anybody doing it.
Speaker 1: And that's when we need help because a lot of
Speaker 1: people still need help. A lot of people still need help,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of people it's scaring a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, people are leaving, people are
Speaker 1: wanting this is an excuse for a lot of people
Speaker 1: to get high. Yeah, you know, they're going out and
Speaker 1: they leaving, and they're doing this because they're afraid. Wow,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we can't go get help. Now, I
Speaker 1: know it sounds crazy, but they can't go get help,
Speaker 1: so what else can they do? And this help is
Speaker 1: teaching us how we can cope with things like this.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm so fortunately. I'm very fortunate that I
Speaker 1: got help and I learned how to cope with certain issues.
Speaker 1: And that's what we need to learn how to do.
Speaker 1: And we need these houses. We we need these programs
Speaker 1: because people need to learn how to cope with it.
Speaker 1: You know why I'm out here doing this? Why am
Speaker 1: I keep going out drinking? I'm drinking every day? Why?
Speaker 1: There's a reason why. And these these places is helping
Speaker 1: us find out the reason why. But you know what,
Speaker 1: we also have to want it. We have to want
Speaker 1: to change and we have to do like this. Like
Speaker 1: I remember a time when you used to tell me, Kim,
Speaker 1: you have to work the program. You have to do it.
Speaker 1: If you really want to, you can do it, you know.
Speaker 1: And when I first went, I really didn't. I really
Speaker 1: didn't work. And you know, it didn't bother me. But
Speaker 1: when I go left and came back, I realized, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I need this helping. These people are going
Speaker 1: to help me if I open up. And you have
Speaker 1: to open up. And a lot of people don't know how.
Speaker 1: They don't know how. So we need these places for
Speaker 1: that to teach us how to open up, to teach
Speaker 1: us how to cope the teachers. You know, some people
Speaker 1: don't even know how to get along with other people
Speaker 1: on that state under the influence.
Speaker 2: That's a real thing, it is. And with being where
Speaker 2: you are now, being where you've been, and you can
Speaker 2: look back and I probably told you like you're going
Speaker 2: to look back at this one day and be like, man,
Speaker 2: you did you did you?
Speaker 1: When I first got here, you said You're gonna look
Speaker 1: back and be like, wow, how did I do that?
Speaker 1: You know? And this happened in two years? And in
Speaker 1: two years, this is so crazy. You mean to tell
Speaker 1: me I'm sober? You mean tell me I got my
Speaker 1: own place.
Speaker 2: There's a place I know you could go to today
Speaker 2: and get a job, right, you know, like and we're
Speaker 2: trying to cain I can go to which career path
Speaker 2: should choose? You know, Like it's just two years, isn't it? Yes, idiots,
Speaker 2: Because when you first came through your fed, sat you down,
Speaker 2: said this were you can be in two years. You
Speaker 2: would say, how is all that? I'm like, Kim, this
Speaker 2: is this is the things that are gonna be happening, right.
Speaker 1: And it happens and and the best part of it,
Speaker 1: it was happening so fast. And I remember you telling
Speaker 1: me sometime you're just gonna just think about it and
Speaker 1: tears come to your eyes, you know, And that was
Speaker 1: that's really true. Tears just came to my eyes because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness, why is this happening
Speaker 1: to me? It's all happening, all good, and it was
Speaker 1: happening back after back after back, Like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: because you know, at a time you think you don't
Speaker 1: deserve it, but when you put that work.
Speaker 2: In, then you're just look back and you're like, damn, man,
Speaker 2: I've been through some ship and some ship, and man,
Speaker 2: I made some good decisions in there. Because you look
Speaker 2: back too, and there'll be that fork in the road.
Speaker 2: You could have went left right and you stayed right. Man,
Speaker 2: would have been easy to go left, and so like,
Speaker 2: and so I don't knock other people something it's not
Speaker 2: a funny thing. I think, let's get back up and
Speaker 2: let's keep going, you know, like.
Speaker 1: You have to keep going.
Speaker 2: Where do we go from here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And hopefully there was a lesson in there, because there
Speaker 2: was a lesson every time for me. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if I ran out or know, I just didn't
Speaker 2: want to be that guy who killed somebody driving accident.
Speaker 2: So that fear of being that guy is something that
Speaker 2: motivated me. But it takes it's different for every everybody.
Speaker 2: And you said it best, you know, when you can
Speaker 2: figure out, like why is this going on? And when
Speaker 2: I was in treatment and I was like, wait, I
Speaker 2: think I have abandonment issues, and you know, it started
Speaker 2: really coming to me and was it the treatment center? No,
Speaker 2: you know, there was some good stuff I learned there
Speaker 2: from good people. They don't even work there anymore, so
Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is. And that's the
Speaker 2: same with all the treatment centers. People come and go,
Speaker 2: and you know, like those therapists that are in treatment centers,
Speaker 2: you're only going to see them maybe twenty eight days,
Speaker 2: maybe two weeks, you know, maybe ninety days, But how
Speaker 2: many times you really see them? How much can you
Speaker 2: really unpack and they don't have you for a client
Speaker 2: for the next year. They got you for that time.
Speaker 2: I mean, how much time are they going to invest
Speaker 2: in you? So like knowing what to share with them
Speaker 2: is very important because when I first went in, I
Speaker 2: was opening up Pandora's box and it was everything's coming out,
Speaker 2: and then it was never closed. So like when I left,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh my god, I remembered stuff that
Speaker 2: I forgotten I buried and now it's out here and
Speaker 2: I can't do nothing about it. And I go see
Speaker 2: a therapist about it and they were like, oh no,
Speaker 2: we can't treat you for that because you haven't been
Speaker 2: sober for six months. You need to go see somebody else.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm I me Kate, like this is where
Speaker 2: I have to.
Speaker 1: Go, like exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I was very confusing and very weird and I don't
Speaker 2: even know where I'm going with this. Nowoon that r
Speaker 2: I'm back to some dark places and I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm eating right, So my brain's a little fucky.
Speaker 1: You went back to dark got lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was back. Whatever I was saying it had
Speaker 2: good point to it, and I appreciate you listening that
Speaker 2: was the end of it.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: I went to a dark place at I thought so.
Speaker 1: And it's topped. It just stopped right in the middle
Speaker 1: of a sentence. It just stopped right then and.
Speaker 2: There, and we could stop it and go back and listen.
Speaker 2: I can be like, oh, yeah, but that's no fun.
Speaker 1: Nah, So my goodness.
Speaker 2: So Kim, it's it's been a it's been a blast
Speaker 2: having you here though, and being around and you know,
Speaker 2: making those connections, which again is so so important and
Speaker 2: early recovery, and you have to be in a place
Speaker 2: where you're at now. I think it's very awesome. And
Speaker 2: you know, I think the people that fund us, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's not say hey, look at Kim, she's doing good.
Speaker 2: But Kim, you are doing great.
Speaker 1: But thank you, I mean, hey, thanks to you guys
Speaker 1: for all the help. And to have somebody in your corner.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing what you can do when you
Speaker 1: have somebody in your corner. Every time, anytime I needed
Speaker 1: somebody that was here, you know, and you know, I
Speaker 1: can't forgive them a way, Mitch do it? Did I
Speaker 1: put him?
Speaker 2: He's a few times, Kim, coach and training and you
Speaker 2: didn't take the class through the car train, but you
Speaker 2: know you still need to take the state stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know computers, you know, okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm old. You know. This was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was like I need a raise. I need a raise.
Speaker 1: Now wait a.
Speaker 2: Minute, keep.
Speaker 1: I can't keep doing this. I think I need another job.
Speaker 1: I was a job by myself, wasn't I It was
Speaker 1: so amazing. But you know one thing, y'all was still
Speaker 1: y'all stuck with me. You know that's the best part.
Speaker 1: You stuck with me. I can open up my computer now,
Speaker 1: I can do my own tapping.
Speaker 2: Telling Mitch Corey earlier that this is almost like a college,
Speaker 2: because I was telling Corey to like learn how to
Speaker 2: do sub lamation or whatever it's called, like put stuff
Speaker 2: on T shirts. It was like, I don't know, Google
Speaker 2: learn it. That's your jo. Have learned that. And then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say do you know how to do it?
Speaker 2: And you can say yea, I'm gon okay, go make this.
Speaker 1: And that's so cool.
Speaker 2: And Mitch has learned so much, you know, and it's like, man,
Speaker 2: you got this is a college. You get your credits
Speaker 2: on the fifteenth and then the last day of the month,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you can get someone else to pay you
Speaker 2: to learn stuff, it is good. Anyway, I'm gonna wrap
Speaker 2: this up though today, but Kim, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: It was fun here.
Speaker 2: They won't have you and again to get more detail
Speaker 2: about some of the stuff. But you're doing good and
Speaker 2: it's good to see people come through. You know, we
Speaker 2: see a lot of the other stories, but it's nice
Speaker 2: to see the good stories once a while. And yeah,
Speaker 2: probably appreciate you. And if you have more, I'm Kim.
Speaker 2: She's actually at two seventeen recovery dot com. Go to
Speaker 2: the team and you'll see Kim Willie Hopkins and that's
Speaker 2: repeat And if you have the app, you can see
Speaker 2: her on there as well. Thanks for listening to the
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