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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning and the Great America, and welcome this Monday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tri State Reds Baseball kicks off about six oh

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<v Speaker 1>five tonight. But the Red Sox, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox have a losing record, and the Reds

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<v Speaker 1>have won five of the past six series. Is look

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<v Speaker 1>hotter than a firecracker, and we'll see what happens. They

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<v Speaker 1>have three games in Boston, then they're often have three

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<v Speaker 1>games in Philly, and they come home next week getting

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the All Star break, and have seven games

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<v Speaker 1>and home against weak opponents. But nonetheless, the Reds are

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<v Speaker 1>with a rocket right now, one of the best teams

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<v Speaker 1>in baseball, which I find hard to believe on June thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's the case. But until then, the Speaker of

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<v Speaker 1>the House in columbuses, of course, Matt Huffman from Allen County, Alama,

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<v Speaker 1>home with the q P Burger and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>And Speaker of Huffman, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked you off the air. We do have

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<v Speaker 1>white smoke over the Capitol, but there's also a possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of the governor vetoing parts of this which you can override.

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<v Speaker 1>With sixty and twenty house in the Senate. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing in Cincinnati which is bigger than Montana is the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals and the Browns now living in Lima. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure you care a lot about Bengals and Browns football.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably care more about about the legacy of Leonard

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<v Speaker 1>Rush and also Ohio State. But there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>concern here that you're treating the Cleveland Browns differently by

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<v Speaker 1>giving them the hundreds of millions of dollars from unplaying funds,

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<v Speaker 1>while the Bengal deal, which is an loi, is not

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<v Speaker 1>yet signed, but it's a promise to sign. So can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell the American people this Monday afternoon what is

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<v Speaker 1>the status of the Bengals deal and the Browns deal

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<v Speaker 1>and why one deal was approved the other other one

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't unclaimed funds, etc. That was used. Instead of an

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<v Speaker 1>additional tax on gaming many ways to fund it, you

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<v Speaker 1>came up with the unplaying funds. Explained the deal to

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<v Speaker 1>the American people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first, the Bengals do have an opportunity to take

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of this fund, these unclaimed funds, as as do

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<v Speaker 2>other sports and cultural facilit There's an entire track of

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<v Speaker 2>things that people can do that that entities can do

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<v Speaker 2>qualify and the Bengals can do that, as could the

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<v Speaker 2>Columbus Symphony Orchestra, and maybe some day the Symphony, Reds

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<v Speaker 2>or fill in your favorite entity, so there will be

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<v Speaker 2>a way for the Bengals to qualify like this there

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<v Speaker 2>The Browns organ or the Browns program, of course, was

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<v Speaker 2>much different I think than probably any entity for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time in that they they're putting in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of billion dollars of private money. But there is a

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<v Speaker 2>there is an entire scheme in place for the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of this, and you know, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that this is the best way to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to raise taxes the bond uh provisions

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<v Speaker 2>that we use so often in other areas. We did

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<v Speaker 2>that six hundred million dollars for the Brent Spence Bridge

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<v Speaker 2>transportation capital budgets we have. We always have billions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and bonds out there, but that would have added

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<v Speaker 2>about an extra three hundred and thirty million dollars onto

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<v Speaker 2>the costs of the taxpayer. The unclaimed funds is simply

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<v Speaker 2>money that is sitting accumulating interest. We can't spend the interest.

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<v Speaker 2>And the interesting thing about this one has about four

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<v Speaker 2>point eight billion dollars. It's collecting about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety million in interest every year, and in non interest

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<v Speaker 2>income it collected five hundred and twenty four million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>only paid out one hundred and forty five The amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money that's coming to this fund has skyrocketed over

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<v Speaker 2>the past ten to fifteen years. I think the reason

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<v Speaker 2>is people are losing their money on the internet place

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<v Speaker 2>and it eventually gets turned into the state, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>a good way to do it. We of course ensure

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<v Speaker 2>that the Browns, the Bengals, and anyone else taking advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of this money will create enough new revenue to pay

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<v Speaker 2>the fund back. The Browns can't get the money or

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else until they show the Tax Department and they

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<v Speaker 2>show Office of Budget and Management that the project is

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<v Speaker 2>viable and that the fund will recover its money.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the LOI that was signed, Alesia Reese

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<v Speaker 1>County Commissioner and she served in the legislature for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time maybe when you were there, has set on

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<v Speaker 1>our air repeatedly, there's no deal that there's an LOI,

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<v Speaker 1>letter of intent and now the lawyers get together, the

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<v Speaker 1>George Vincent types who's brilliant in Densmore and Alex trent

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<v Speaker 1>Tefilu who works at Densmore gets together along with the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengal lawyers. And the Bengal lawyers are undefeated, untied, unscored

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<v Speaker 1>on hell. Mike Brown takes the I R S to

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<v Speaker 1>tax court and beats the IRS and tax court. So

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<v Speaker 1>these sets of lawyers are making one thousand bucks an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and they're going to hash it out. Well, once

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<v Speaker 1>they hash it out and say, okay, we really have

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<v Speaker 1>a deal, there was a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>confetti and a drinking the champagne and were screaming, hollering

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<v Speaker 1>and shouting about a week ago, we got a deal,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a deal. In reality, there's not a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an understanding in the future to maybe get a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the deal is signed, you're saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals had the capability of getting that missing three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty million dollars out of the state quote the

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<v Speaker 1>unplaying funds. But the deal has got to be a

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<v Speaker 1>real deal, has got to be examined and has got

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<v Speaker 1>to be the model rule. Can you explain to the

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<v Speaker 1>American people, Speaker Huffman, the model rule that has to

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<v Speaker 1>be applied. If this Bengals take money, does that solidify

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<v Speaker 1>them in Cincinnati? They say it's eleven years. They say

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<v Speaker 1>it used to be a thirty year, now it's eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you explain that to the American people?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure so. But just to be clear, the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>money that the Bengals and again anybody else building large

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<v Speaker 2>facilities like this get, they would have to come and

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<v Speaker 2>apply to the state for that fund and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the taxes would pay back ultimately the money to

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<v Speaker 2>the fund. And that's going to be dependent on whatever

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<v Speaker 2>deal it is that the Bengals or the city, or

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<v Speaker 2>the county or the NFL or whoever bring us to

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<v Speaker 2>the state. They can convince them, hey, look, state, now,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's three hundred and fifty or two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty or whatever it is, based on what's in the statue.

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<v Speaker 2>Then someone will say, Okay, we're convinced that the folks

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<v Speaker 2>at the Office of Budget Management, we're convinced we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get our money back. Here's the money, and here's

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<v Speaker 2>all the parameters. But until there's an agreement, no one

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<v Speaker 2>can say, oh, we're going to get this, or we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get that. We basically modified the Medel rule

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<v Speaker 2>to say that, you know what the state legislature's interested

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<v Speaker 2>in is the state of Ohio. And in this particular case,

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<v Speaker 2>this new facility in Cuyahoga County is built about one

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<v Speaker 2>mile outside of the city limits. Brook Park is actually

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<v Speaker 2>about the city of Cleveland. I don't think that was

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<v Speaker 2>ever intended to do that now. I don't think the

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<v Speaker 2>Browns are going to move to Akron or Bima, although

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<v Speaker 2>that would be great. But what essentially does is prevent

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<v Speaker 2>not just penalizes, but prevents teams who have signed agreements

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<v Speaker 2>and taken state money from leaving the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, you know that's essentially what the new rule

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<v Speaker 2>is because you know before it was Cleveland donate. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they can build this new facility there and it essentially

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<v Speaker 2>serves the same population. And again, the state of Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>is what we care about, not necessarily the lines in

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<v Speaker 2>a particular county.

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<v Speaker 1>So if and when the LOI becomes a real deal,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be eight thousand pages long. The lawyers will get

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<v Speaker 1>their cut of the deal. It's going to be signed,

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<v Speaker 1>seal them, delivered, at that point the Hamleting County with

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals, and I guess the NFL applied to this

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<v Speaker 1>fund to get three or four hundred million dollars. And

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<v Speaker 1>if that happens, that's like the guarantee that the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>threat to move, which the Browns have done one time

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<v Speaker 1>they go went to Baltimore, and Mike Brown one point

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<v Speaker 1>showed up in Baltimore when the negotiations are going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So if Ohio has put up this money, and this

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<v Speaker 1>might be three to six months down the road, Speaker

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Heffman, and they take the money, then it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be very difficult for the Bengals to leave. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that fair to say?

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely fair to say. Yeah, yeah, And again the

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<v Speaker 2>state isn't sitting here saying how can we give this

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<v Speaker 2>money away or how can we make these deals individual communities.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned the Columbus Symphony Orchestra because they have plans

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<v Speaker 2>for a two hundred million dollar facility. They're not maybe Columbus,

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin County other people can raise that money, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's money that potentially they can apply for the

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<v Speaker 2>fund and not just mega facilities, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Browns or the ones that we were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But but but other facilities which you know, are going

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<v Speaker 2>to course enhance our lifestyle and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>want to come here and live. You know, this facility

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland is going to be, you know, state of

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<v Speaker 2>the art. And I think you know, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree that if the Bengals renovation happens, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be great for downtown wonder by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Reds fan, well I may.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point, part of the deal, which isn't done,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say as loud as I can, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no deal between the county, the state, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals for the renovations. It's a promise to get an

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<v Speaker 1>agreement down the road, which we hope happens. But also

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals are giving up a lot of control over

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<v Speaker 1>the entire riverfront. That was stupid to give them control

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. It also opens up other events

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<v Speaker 1>like Beyonce or maybe Taylor Swift to come back. And

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<v Speaker 1>it opens up the ability of this new commission in

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<v Speaker 1>Hamilton County to say, Okay, we're going to use pay

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<v Speaker 1>Corpse Stadium more. All that's good stuff will see what happens. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends in public education say you're screwing public education

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<v Speaker 1>by this forty percent carryover. Can you maybe, in one

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<v Speaker 1>paragraph explain why you're not screwing public education to put

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<v Speaker 1>those fears to rest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, public education is being funded an

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<v Speaker 2>additional seven hundred million dollars through this budget. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a reporter asked me last week. He said, what would

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<v Speaker 2>you say to the people who are set with you

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<v Speaker 2>for cutting funding to public education? And I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>would tell them that they have been misinformed and they

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<v Speaker 2>should be upset with anyone, including news outlets, that are

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<v Speaker 2>telling them that in fact, public education is being cut.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's what we're trying to do. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of we've got real problems with backating property tax. There

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of folks who are eliminated completely that

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<v Speaker 2>may be on the ballot next year. And essentially what

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<v Speaker 2>we've done is say, look, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>public school districts, not all of them, who are carrying over,

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<v Speaker 2>who are getting tax money both from the state and

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<v Speaker 2>local property and not spending it. They're spending a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the amount of money, for example, that

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<v Speaker 2>the Columbus Public schools are spending per child. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a forty six percent carryover about four hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>that they didn't spend, And there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other school districts just like that. Of course, Columbus Public

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<v Speaker 2>is way above average in terms of how much it's spent.

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<v Speaker 2>There are other school districts like Bluffton in the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Town of Bluffton, Ohio and Island County they only spend

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<v Speaker 2>twelve thousand dollars per kid. The average statewide is sixteen thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred. Go check your local school districts, see how

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<v Speaker 2>much they're spending.

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<v Speaker 1>For twenty three thousand, the Cincinnai twenty three thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there you go. Now, I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 2>carryover for Cincinnati is, but if it's more than forty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>we're simply saying the school districts, like I know, Columbus

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<v Speaker 2>Orange School District, several others around the state. Look, all

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<v Speaker 2>we're asking is at least return the money that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not spending. We're not saying go back and get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, building wellness managers, which one of the

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<v Speaker 2>school districts recently, someone told me they hired all the

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<v Speaker 2>other you know things that school it appears that public

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<v Speaker 2>school districts spend money on, but no other, no other

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<v Speaker 2>governmental entity is spending the kinds of things that they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And all we're saying is, can you keep spending as

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<v Speaker 2>much money as as your local school board wants to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, but if you have extra money that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not using, at least return that to the taxpayer. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we have school districts that are sixty eighty one hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty percent carryovers, and in fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>recommendation by school business officials is carry over at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent. Now they're not going to put that

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<v Speaker 2>in their talking points that they're going to send to

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<v Speaker 2>Bill cunning In. So we have to do something about

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes, because what are these schools going to do

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<v Speaker 2>If this goes on the ballot next year and pass it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to pay it happens, it's going to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>I had one of your cohorts on who said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's either property tax, income tax, or sales tax. And

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<v Speaker 1>people hate all of them. The least hate full, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>is sales tax. You pay a little bit, but one

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<v Speaker 1>of your Cohorts said to me, the property taxes eliminated,

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<v Speaker 1>that means the sales tax in each county would have

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<v Speaker 1>to be about twenty percent and income taxes would double

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<v Speaker 1>a triple. And you haven't had to confront this yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the main guy in Columbus, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>do if property taxes are voted down? In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't use them. They don't exist anymore. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>sales tax and income tax look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think that there's going to suddenly be

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<v Speaker 2>a push to double income tax and sales tax. What

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<v Speaker 2>we have are talent, and I've mentioned this last time

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<v Speaker 2>was one thousands of local taxing entities, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people are willing to pay that apparently, but we may

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to afford six hundred plus school districts

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<v Speaker 2>and several hundred cities, townships and villages and all of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we pay for right now. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that if this passes next year, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to look at a restructuring of local government and

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<v Speaker 2>how we do it. Now. Everybody wants to have their

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<v Speaker 2>own local school, everybody wants their own police and fire department.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to figure out how to pay for that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if this thing passes next year, then what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about in this budget is peanuts. People will be saying,

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<v Speaker 2>where do I sign up for that plan that we

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<v Speaker 2>had last year. I think that there is substantial property textually,

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<v Speaker 2>if not just in the carryovers situation, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole number of other things. We're eliminating emergency leveles, renewal

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<v Speaker 2>levees with increases, substitute levees, combined levees, all things that

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<v Speaker 2>most of the public don't know about. They just end

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<v Speaker 2>up saying, well, I'm for the kids, so I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the.

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<v Speaker 1>School, and they always pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in Allen County. In Hamlton County, we have mentally

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<v Speaker 1>retarded my I use that term because it's in the statute.

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<v Speaker 1>We have senior citizen levee, we have a zoo levee,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the library level, we have the engine level.

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<v Speaker 1>We got all these levees. We have eleven special levees

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<v Speaker 1>that always win. Matt Heffan, and no point does anyone

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<v Speaker 1>ever vote against any of them. Because you got poor,

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<v Speaker 1>hungred kids have to be fed, and the property tax

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<v Speaker 1>is completely out of control, especially in Hamlin County, and

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<v Speaker 1>you give us a shot to vote that down, we're going.

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<v Speaker 2>To do it. Yeah. Look there's the other, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of improvement center. This. If the school district has

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<v Speaker 2>more than a one hundred percent general fund carryover, they're

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<v Speaker 2>prohibited from going to the ballot. The school district can't

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<v Speaker 2>increase tax revenues, which is some of the things that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>They shift the purpose of the inside melage without they

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it with the public meeting. And these

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<v Speaker 2>are all sort of strange words to most people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is how suddenly your taxes go up. You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't vote for it, there wasn't a public meeting. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, how did that happen? So, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing will happen. And it may not happen in

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<v Speaker 2>the Cincinnati Public schools, but in many places, people are

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<v Speaker 2>going to show up at their school board and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute. You suddenly have this operating extra operating

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<v Speaker 2>and now I don't get a tax cut because of that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>well we're going to build a new building. Well I

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<v Speaker 2>would have liked to remodel my bathroom with that extra

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<v Speaker 2>tax money. So there really needs to be a local

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<v Speaker 2>involvement in what these taxes are. And you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just as guilty as there I think. You know, my

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<v Speaker 2>local school ever comes up, I vote for it in

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<v Speaker 2>the park and all of those things. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of people, of course paying these

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<v Speaker 2>taxes that don't get to vote, and there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people who don't pay the taxes who do

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<v Speaker 2>get to vote. And the question really needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>what is it that we can do to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>I think the current question is what do we do

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure the public that next year's potential ballot initiative

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<v Speaker 2>isn't necessary, that we've made the changes in this budget,

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<v Speaker 2>and if folks aren't convinced, then we are looking at

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<v Speaker 2>local government armageddon next year.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be armageddon. But nonetheless, I like the Tony Benders,

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<v Speaker 1>rich and famous, my producer. He likes the two point

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent cap on high income Americans so they

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<v Speaker 1>pay less money in state taxes, which I like to

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But Matt Huffman, we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>on the governor Tuesday or Wednesday. He's got till midnight

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<v Speaker 1>tonight to veto line out in veto, it can be overruled.

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<v Speaker 1>But you told me off the air. Depends what the

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<v Speaker 1>issue is. You're not sure yet what's going to be vetoed,

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<v Speaker 1>what's not. Then you get back together. The pow wow

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<v Speaker 1>happens Tuesday and Wednesday, override the veto and the way

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<v Speaker 1>we go. But Speaker of the House, Matt Huffman, once again,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for setting the record strait, especially about the Browns

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<v Speaker 1>and Bengals. And you continue to have a great day,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you, mister speaker.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks Bill, God bless thank you, very.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless all. Let's continue with more. There you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>So until there's a deal, is there a deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals. Watching the media, we got a deal. In reality,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no deal. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW