Speaker 1: If humanity created a breathing centered culture where we understood
Speaker 1: the importance of the first breath and the last breath
Speaker 1: and every breath that comes in between, and people were
Speaker 1: encouraged to feel and to listen to the sensations of
Speaker 1: their breathing, the sound of their breathing, the effects of
Speaker 1: their breathing. If they could be quieter together sometimes to
Speaker 1: be with each other's breathing. There's only one group, and
Speaker 1: that in group out group would dissolve. And I have
Speaker 1: seen it happen so many times where enemies, people that
Speaker 1: didn't trust each other, couples that were on the verge
Speaker 1: of breaking up, would breathe together and something fundamentally different
Speaker 1: than the way they'd been orienting themselves happened.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, and welcome back to yyd where you
Speaker 2: are learning to level up your Yoga ti dying, one
Speaker 2: masterful class at a time. What if the one thing
Speaker 2: that has the power to unite humanity is something you're
Speaker 2: already doing twenty thousand times a day. Today's guest, Jessica
Speaker 2: Dibb is a breathwork pioneer, author and educator who believes
Speaker 2: breathing isn't just a biological function. It's the universal language
Speaker 2: that connects every living being. We explore the science, psychology, spirituality,
Speaker 2: and ethics of breath work and why conscious breathing may
Speaker 2: be one of the most profound practices available to us
Speaker 2: as yoga teachers and human beings. We chat about why
Speaker 2: Jessica calls the breath the great equalizer, not death, the
Speaker 2: surprising connection between breathing and love, what's actually happening in
Speaker 2: your brain and nervous system every time you inhale and exhale,
Speaker 2: the powerful reason she believes breath can dissolve the us
Speaker 2: versus them mindset, the five categories of breath work, and
Speaker 2: why they're often confused with one another. I think this
Speaker 2: was my favorite part of the episode. Why conscious breathing
Speaker 2: may have been Yoga's a rich practice long before the poses,
Speaker 2: why one breathing technique isn't right for every student, the
Speaker 2: ethical questions every yoga teacher should ask before facilitating powerful
Speaker 2: breathwork experiences, the overlooked muscle that has an enormous impact
Speaker 2: on your longevity, emotional regulation, and quality of breath, And finally,
Speaker 2: why the perfect breathing ratio doesn't actually exist and what
Speaker 2: to look for instead. Whether you're simply queuing ujai in
Speaker 2: class or fascinated by the deeper science and philosophy of breath,
Speaker 2: this conversation will change the way you think about the
Speaker 2: most fundamental thing that we all share. Now, take a
Speaker 2: deep breath and turn it up and let's dive in.
Speaker 2: Hey Yogi's Mackenzie fly Here Mom, yoga printer, teacher, trainer,
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Speaker 2: Jessica div is the author of Breathwork and Psychotherapy Clinical
Speaker 2: Applications for Healing and Transformation. Her work centers conscious breathing, synthesizing,
Speaker 2: deep psychology, consciousness studies, science, somatic, emotional, and cognitive energy,
Speaker 2: and wholeness. She advocates for powerful, safe, multi dimensional breathwork
Speaker 2: to access our deepest potential. Jessica is the founder and
Speaker 2: director of Inspiration Consciousness School and is the global professional
Speaker 2: Breathwork Alliance founding co director and ethics chair, Jessica develops
Speaker 2: innovative processes for embodying wholeness using breathwork alongside established and
Speaker 2: emergent wisdom teachings to cultivate presence, wisdom, and love throughout
Speaker 2: our lifespan in relationship with all life and this breathing planet.
Speaker 2: What an amazing bio, Jessica, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being here. I'm so excited to chat with you today.
Speaker 1: It's really lovely to be with you, McKenzie. I feel
Speaker 1: like your energy is just such a gift to our planet.
Speaker 1: You're so supportive of everyone you talk to and what
Speaker 1: you're doing on this podcast I know is supporting so
Speaker 1: many really beautiful souls who are yoga teachers.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a blessing already. Thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 2: saying that, and how kind I receive it. It's been
Speaker 2: a minute since we first connected, and when we first
Speaker 2: connected you were even kind then. I was sharing with
Speaker 2: you of just being in knee deep in the early
Speaker 2: phases of motherhood and being so tired, and You're like, listen,
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, And maybe let's postpone
Speaker 2: to another time when we're not so tired. So it's
Speaker 2: been weeks, if not, I think maybe even months since that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so it's just been I've been eagerly awaiting this
Speaker 2: chance to reconnect with you here, and you are also
Speaker 2: so kind and your energy each time I've hopped on
Speaker 2: with you, and you being sensitive to that and being
Speaker 2: open to moving it to a better time. I just
Speaker 2: appreciate you as well, So thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2: But I want to pass it right back to you.
Speaker 2: And it makes me think of that phrase that's if
Speaker 2: you spot it, you got it. If you can sense it,
Speaker 2: you are it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: You have had such an incredible career and many many accomplishments.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would love to talk about your
Speaker 2: latest book that you had sent to me, and thank
Speaker 2: you for that. This has been an incredible read breath
Speaker 2: work and psychotherapy. I'm going to show it for the
Speaker 2: people who are watching the video. Beautiful, beautiful cover with
Speaker 2: these lungs and flowers, and I have just tore through
Speaker 2: the pages and then my toddler found my flags and
Speaker 2: also put some parts. You put flags in the books
Speaker 2: of other pages that I should pay attention to, which
Speaker 2: I thought was really cute. But it is just it's
Speaker 2: one of those that is incredible the first time you
Speaker 2: read it, but you're also like, I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to go back and read it a couple of times
Speaker 2: just because of how dense and articulate and specific you got.
Speaker 2: So congratulations on this book, and tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about in general, the process of writing it before
Speaker 2: we peel it apart and really dig into the details
Speaker 2: and come through it.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you McKenzie. Yeah, it was really like, so
Speaker 1: I would not have thought that if I was going
Speaker 1: to write a book, I would not have thought that
Speaker 1: I was going to write a book that would talk
Speaker 1: about bringing together the gifts of psychological process and breath
Speaker 1: work or psychotherapy and breath work, because you know, breath
Speaker 1: work it's so much about awakening consciousness and healing at
Speaker 1: a psychological level and connection with you know, the fundamental
Speaker 1: frequency of creation and some people would call that God
Speaker 1: and you know, the spiritual and I just for me
Speaker 1: breathing and love, which we will talk conscious breathing and
Speaker 1: love or synonymous. One is the physiological piece of it
Speaker 1: and the other is the emotional and we can talk
Speaker 1: about that in a little bit. So I was just
Speaker 1: stunned when Norton Publishers came to me and asked me
Speaker 1: if I would write this book about how breathwork is
Speaker 1: psychotherapy could be integrated. And I remember feeling like it
Speaker 1: was a calling card from the universe, that there was
Speaker 1: something that was incredibly important here, and I had to
Speaker 1: really be with that topic inside of myself for a
Speaker 1: good two to three years before I actually started writing.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, it wasn't that I didn't have ideas,
Speaker 1: but I knew that there was somehow going to be
Speaker 1: a convergence of what they were wanting, which was to
Speaker 1: have a handbook, a guide, a textbook for therapists, you know,
Speaker 1: not just psychotherapists, psychiatrists and psychologists, spiritual directors, and also
Speaker 1: other kinds of therapists, somatic therapists and breath workers. And
Speaker 1: I also knew that somehow the book had to be
Speaker 1: about elevating consciousness and love. So I just I really
Speaker 1: sat with it for two or three years and just
Speaker 1: kept taking notes, and what emerged was a book that
Speaker 1: calls breath workers to a higher level of practice and
Speaker 1: calls psychotherapy to re envision itself from within the understanding
Speaker 1: of breathing which is a primal and foundational language for
Speaker 1: all of us, and it is therefore it becomes a
Speaker 1: book about love. It becomes a book about becoming present
Speaker 1: to the love and wisdom that is inside of us,
Speaker 1: and doing the psychological work that yields wholeness that is
Speaker 1: accelerated by using breathwork tremendously, and the book, to me
Speaker 1: is a wonder At this point, I feel like I
Speaker 1: just had to surrender to listening to something that neither
Speaker 1: the publisher nor I would have conceived of, and something
Speaker 1: out of it that was better than either of us
Speaker 1: could have imagined.
Speaker 2: Well said, and I can see that so much now
Speaker 2: coming through, And what an experience, What an experience to
Speaker 2: premeditate that long and to give yourself the spaciousness and
Speaker 2: have the patience to let it unfold in that way.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when we are tasked with an assignment,
Speaker 2: it's even similar to being asked a question of not
Speaker 2: really taking a second to even think that were already
Speaker 2: you know, responding or jumping into the writing of it.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's a testament to you and
Speaker 2: that it for it to ultimately boil down to love,
Speaker 2: I think is also what makes it very unique and
Speaker 2: different and universal. So I found it highly fascinating. I mean, right,
Speaker 2: even in the beginning. I loved just the concept of
Speaker 2: the unifying how how we are all breathers, and that
Speaker 2: being the universal language. So can we start there and
Speaker 2: walk us through how you would describe that and what
Speaker 2: you mean by what you mean by that? Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. I love that question probably more than any other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think we you know, when we have
Speaker 1: experiences like of a baby being born, of somebody passing
Speaker 1: out of the world and we realize, you know, how
Speaker 1: precious they've been. When we awaken to beauty in art
Speaker 1: or you know, some kind of something that's something that
Speaker 1: somebody has contributed. When we have experience as spiritual experiences,
Speaker 1: people who have near death experiences. You know, just there
Speaker 1: are so many altered states, expanded states of consciousness that
Speaker 1: people have. Everybody has a similar way of describing that
Speaker 1: they realize in those moments that everything is one and
Speaker 1: that it's all. Yes, there are infinite amounts of differentiated
Speaker 1: expressions of the one, but the fabric of it is
Speaker 1: just one. And I my father was a great peace activist.
Speaker 1: His whole work was about the abolition of war, he
Speaker 1: worked at the UN. He was an international lawyer, and
Speaker 1: he worked other places all around the globe too, And
Speaker 1: I was very inspired as a child to try to
Speaker 1: feel I could feel like every person had love in them.
Speaker 1: I could feel it, and that this love really wanted
Speaker 1: to be given fully to the world, but that there
Speaker 1: was fear that was inhibiting them. And so my work
Speaker 1: kind of inspired by my dad and inspired by the
Speaker 1: love that I was seeing in everybody. I wanted to
Speaker 1: find a universal medicine, a universal key, a universal nectar
Speaker 1: or elixir that would unlock the love in people and
Speaker 1: dissolve the fear. And I went through many different things
Speaker 1: that I was, you know, thinking could be it, you know,
Speaker 1: dance and psychology and yoga and living in an astron
Speaker 1: for years, and all of these things were beautiful medicine.
Speaker 1: I was going to go to medical school. I loved science.
Speaker 1: I loved biology, and then I just remember having an
Speaker 1: epiphany when I did a really deep breath work session. Finally,
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, I had this epiphany, this is it.
Speaker 1: This is the universal key. This doesn't have to have
Speaker 1: a particular culture, a particular language, a particular everybody's breathing
Speaker 1: and were all breathing all the time, and that was
Speaker 1: what set me on a search to really understand every
Speaker 1: possible aspect of conscious breathing and breathwork that I could.
Speaker 1: And so I do say that you know, breathing, conscious
Speaker 1: breathing is the unifying medicine nutrient of the human species,
Speaker 1: and that it's our greatest medicine and teacher and friend
Speaker 1: and even lover. And when you think about it, the
Speaker 1: brain stem, which is where we usually breathe from when
Speaker 1: we're not thinking about it, when it's automatic, that same
Speaker 1: brainstem has a mechanism in it that is meant to
Speaker 1: recognize who is safe and who is not, who is
Speaker 1: my group, who's the end group, and who's the outgroup,
Speaker 1: And it gets stimulated by cortisol like so when you
Speaker 1: have fear, you're kind of looking around for what's safe,
Speaker 1: what's not, and who's in my group and who's not
Speaker 1: in my group. Well, you can create an in and
Speaker 1: an outgroup about anybody you know. As much as you
Speaker 1: and I are so thrilled to be here together, if
Speaker 1: we were in a state of fear, or if we
Speaker 1: just weren't very conscious, I could say to myself well,
Speaker 1: you're wearing a plaid, you know, a shirt, and I'm
Speaker 1: wearing this shirt. I've got this color here, and you've
Speaker 1: got that color here. I could start, well, you're in
Speaker 1: this state and I'm in that state. So there's skin color,
Speaker 1: there's you know, sexual orientation, there's religion, there's educational status,
Speaker 1: there's social you know, sociological says. We can create an
Speaker 1: in group and an outgroup about anything, except for one thing.
Speaker 1: This is what hit me one day, the group of breathers.
Speaker 1: You can't create an in group and an outgroup about that.
Speaker 1: There's only one group of breathers, and everybody's in it,
Speaker 1: and in fact, animals are in it, and the trees
Speaker 1: and grass are participating in all of that. So the implications,
Speaker 1: the profound possibilities here. If humanity created a breathing centric
Speaker 1: culture where we understood the importance of the first breath
Speaker 1: and the last breath and every breath that comes in between, and.
Speaker 2: People were.
Speaker 1: Encouraged to feel and to listen to the sensations of
Speaker 1: their breathing, the sound of their breathing, the effects of
Speaker 1: their breathing. If they could be quieter together sometimes to
Speaker 1: be with each other's breathing. I know there's only one group,
Speaker 1: and that in group out group would dissolve. And I
Speaker 1: have seen it happen so many times where enemies, people
Speaker 1: that didn't trust each other, couples that were on the
Speaker 1: verge of breaking up, would breathe together, and something fundamentally
Speaker 1: different than the way they've been orienting themselves happen, and
Speaker 1: a kind of wisdom arises that comes from love, and
Speaker 1: we get creative from that, and so new things start
Speaker 1: to happen, and I, you know, I just can't say
Speaker 1: enough about this profound medicine that each of us has
Speaker 1: in our own chest, and that you know, even people
Speaker 1: on respirators can bring awareness to their breathing. It's it's
Speaker 1: literally the universal key.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Oh, what a beautiful answer, What a beautiful answer.
Speaker 2: I had a yoga teacher who said something to the
Speaker 2: effect of the only real requirements you need for a
Speaker 2: yoga practice is you need to be breathing. You need
Speaker 2: to be a breather, basically in your words, and then
Speaker 2: also like a willingness to I'm butchering his exact words,
Speaker 2: but like a willingness to shift your awareness. That that's
Speaker 2: like the two key ingredients that you need for a
Speaker 2: yoga practice is an ability to be aware, like in
Speaker 2: control of where you're placing your attention and breathing. Which
Speaker 2: I love that because it made it so inclusive and
Speaker 2: most mostly inclusive, and it automatically eliminates and dissolves all
Speaker 2: this hierarchy or ability, and it's like, listen, these are
Speaker 2: these are the things that are the most important. And
Speaker 2: it's actually making me think of another book. It's at
Speaker 2: the front of my mind because I'm also reading it currently.
Speaker 2: It's the Twelve Laws of the Universe. Have you read this?
Speaker 2: I have not. Yeah, it's fascinating and it's perhaps a
Speaker 2: same way or a different way of saying similar things,
Speaker 2: but when you're like, it's this universal law, it's this
Speaker 2: universal key. The very first law is the law of oneness,
Speaker 2: and it's speaking about how we're all created from the
Speaker 2: same source. We're the same thing, just different expressions of
Speaker 2: the same thing. And a metaphor, yeah, a metaphor that
Speaker 2: it was using was like, the ocean is the ocean,
Speaker 2: and then there's waves that come out of the ocean
Speaker 2: that are the individual expression of the ocean. But the
Speaker 2: wave returns to the sea, it's still made up of
Speaker 2: the same stuff that I love this law and what
Speaker 2: you're saying too, because the human experience is that of disconnection.
Speaker 2: What we often experience is disconnection, but it's reminding us
Speaker 2: of connection and taking us out of isolation and back
Speaker 2: to integration, out of our things that make us seemingly
Speaker 2: feel different from one another, and remind us of the
Speaker 2: things that brings us into union with one another, which
Speaker 2: of course is such a beautiful yoga concept. So wow, wow,
Speaker 2: and way to articulate that. And that is what I'm
Speaker 2: hearing when you speak about breathers and that it just
Speaker 2: it almost like levels the playing fields and it welcomes
Speaker 2: in all people.
Speaker 1: I love that you've understood that part about leveling the
Speaker 1: playing field. It really is a model of co empowerment
Speaker 1: and real equality and equity. If we can bring about
Speaker 1: a planet in which everybody can breathe safely and fully
Speaker 1: and well, you know there's that saying that death is
Speaker 1: the great equalizer. I think breath is the great equalizer.
Speaker 1: We all want to be able to breathe. And in fact,
Speaker 1: you know a couple of things I'll say about that
Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty, I feel like humanity experienced the shadow.
Speaker 1: I think that we are trying to birth the culture
Speaker 1: of love. We are trying to come out of kind
Speaker 1: of cultures that have fear and personality that are very
Speaker 1: endemic in them and move to a level of love
Speaker 1: and creativity. And so the shadow since breathing, Since when
Speaker 1: we're born, we're wired to do two things. Physiologically, the
Speaker 1: first thing we have to do is breathe, that's the imperative. Emotionally,
Speaker 1: the first thing we have to do is connect or love.
Speaker 1: Babies will love their parents no matter what. So the
Speaker 1: twinned immediacy of that that we're born wired to love
Speaker 1: and wired to breathe as our primary directive at that
Speaker 1: moment is so profound for neurological impacts the way we
Speaker 1: think about ourselves and life and others, that if that
Speaker 1: could be supported from the very beginning, it would be profound.
Speaker 1: And what I noticed in twenty twenty is that the
Speaker 1: shadow of that, which would be breathlessness, swept across our
Speaker 1: planet in three waves. First the fires started, so there
Speaker 1: was the huge fire in Australia. A billion animals died,
Speaker 1: that's what they estimate. People died, trees died. Then the
Speaker 1: fires broke out in Europe, and then there was the
Speaker 1: huge one in the western part of the United States.
Speaker 1: COVID came and suddenly everyone was aware. So the fires,
Speaker 1: I just would have to say, they suffocated, you know,
Speaker 1: animals and people and plants, and so many died COVID.
Speaker 1: We became so aware of the importance of breathing. And
Speaker 1: I think sometimes about how people were with their family
Speaker 1: members or healthcare workers were tending to patients. It still
Speaker 1: makes me cry to think about how they would be
Speaker 1: sitting there just thinking to themselves, just one more breath,
Speaker 1: just hang in there. If you can breathe, just one
Speaker 1: more breath, maybe you can make it through. Like, we
Speaker 1: just became so aware of the preciousness of each breath
Speaker 1: because COVID in particular, was an attack on the respiratory system.
Speaker 1: And then there were the famous words spoken by George Floyd,
Speaker 1: I can't breathe, and that you know, all of this
Speaker 1: was happening during the same time period in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and I think when George said those words, he was
Speaker 1: saying them obviously for himself. But what happened in the
Speaker 1: world is that you know, from time and memorial there
Speaker 1: have been people that have spoken those same words when
Speaker 1: they were not free to breathe, when they had to
Speaker 1: hold their breath because feeling like if they brought too
Speaker 1: much attention to themselves, when when things happened to them,
Speaker 1: like happened to George Floyd, anybody who feels suppressed, marginalized.
Speaker 1: So we had these three waves of breathless, you know,
Speaker 1: breathlessness sort of come in to our awareness. And I
Speaker 1: think that when the shadow arises like that, it means
Speaker 1: that the golden Shadow is nearby. I think that humanity
Speaker 1: wants to start to value breathing. It wants to start
Speaker 1: to understand the implications of it, the complexities of it,
Speaker 1: the richnesses of it that we have just taken for granted,
Speaker 1: and that when we consciously breathe, we're no longer breathing
Speaker 1: just from our brain stem. We are engaging the pre
Speaker 1: you know, the prefrontal cortex, because we're deciding to breathe
Speaker 1: in a conscious way, and we're engaging in the limbic
Speaker 1: brain because the emotion around that is that there's some
Speaker 1: kind of value of breathing with awareness, or breathing deeper,
Speaker 1: or doing some kind of breathwork. So the brain now
Speaker 1: instead of just having the sorry automatic breathing from the
Speaker 1: brain stem is lit up in a kind of global
Speaker 1: neural coherence where the prefrontal cortex, the limbic brain, and
Speaker 1: the brainstem are all participating in the same action, and
Speaker 1: we know that the respiratory circuits are embedded throughout the brain,
Speaker 1: and it opens up a state of capacity and regulation
Speaker 1: and having access to your resources and memories that you
Speaker 1: didn't know you had, and all kinds of riches open up.
Speaker 1: So I really feel that we're in the time period
Speaker 1: now where the shadow was visited so strongly at breathlessness,
Speaker 1: and now consciously or unconsciously for many people still, we're
Speaker 1: trying to birth a species that really values breathing and love.
Speaker 2: It's always darkest before the dawn kind of kind of feeling, yes,
Speaker 2: And I love how you've done that in so many
Speaker 2: different ways, and what you just said, and then even
Speaker 2: in the book of here's how it literally transpires in
Speaker 2: the body, and then more of the either emotional or
Speaker 2: metaphorical repercussion of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that when you were asking about the
Speaker 1: process of the book, one other thing that I could
Speaker 1: say is, since I felt so such an experiential understanding
Speaker 1: of the universality of breathing and that it's the great
Speaker 1: equalizer and all the things that.
Speaker 2: It could do.
Speaker 1: I also felt really committed to having the book have
Speaker 1: the science, the philosophy, the spirituality, the psychology, the poet
Speaker 1: the poetry of it all, you know, the music of
Speaker 1: it all, the psychological processes, psychodynamic understanding, I even the
Speaker 1: mathematic of it all. I tried to really pull so
Speaker 1: much of that all in together because I was really
Speaker 1: trying to show, yeah, the universality of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, And I think you just articulated it
Speaker 2: so well because I was like, what is the word
Speaker 2: to describe, and I guess it's very just multi dimensional
Speaker 2: or multifaceted and viewing the same thing through different lenses
Speaker 2: and from different perspectives. So you really achieved it. You
Speaker 2: did a great job, and especially for someone like me
Speaker 2: who I wouldn't necessarily call myself the science part, I
Speaker 2: find it interesting, but that language doesn't stick in my
Speaker 2: brain as easily. I have a harder time. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: use those words, you know. So I learned a lot
Speaker 2: when you were really getting into the science part, which
Speaker 2: I do want to have you, you know, unpack on
Speaker 2: some of the listeners and maybe help educate. But there
Speaker 2: was the specific part that I wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: about is when you group them into five categories, would
Speaker 2: you maybe for listeners talk the five categories before then
Speaker 2: maybe going into some of the breath anatomy and the
Speaker 2: brain anatomy part was really fascinating too of what is
Speaker 2: literally going on in the body while you're breathing as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, McKenzie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I've said for a long time that breath
Speaker 1: work is a spectrum of breathing practices that are meant
Speaker 1: to enhance physical, emotional, cognitive, and spiritual wellbeing. And it just,
Speaker 1: you know, just like some people like classical music and
Speaker 1: other people prefer, you know, country music, and other people
Speaker 1: prefer jazz and rock, but it's still music. You know,
Speaker 1: that universality piece there. You know, everybody is different, every
Speaker 1: psyche is different, every soul is different. And so what
Speaker 1: is going to support someone in breathing, in in regulating
Speaker 1: and feeling whole, in becoming present to their full capacity.
Speaker 1: What kind of breathing is going to support that? It
Speaker 1: is going to be very different for every person, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was very important therefore to differentiate that
Speaker 1: it's not just conscious breathing. That's the maintenance thing that
Speaker 1: we all can learn to do throughout throughout the day,
Speaker 1: and that is incredibly powerful to be aware of your
Speaker 1: breathing all day long and even into the night and
Speaker 1: while you're sleeping. But if you're going to use breathwork practices,
Speaker 1: what practices are you using for what purpose for that
Speaker 1: particular person at that time? And so I thought it
Speaker 1: would be useful to understand these five categories that there
Speaker 1: are these simple breathing practices, most of which have to
Speaker 1: do with a slightly deeper inhale and a long or
Speaker 1: exhale of some kind that is a relaxing exhale. I
Speaker 1: call these just you know, restoration and regulation practices Group one,
Speaker 1: and they're very simple. Three breasts will make a huge difference,
Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes they include an audible sigh. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: include a little movement. Sometimes it could be a little
Speaker 1: faster or slower, but it's meant to essentially re establish
Speaker 1: a homeostasis of where the autonomic nervous system is regulated
Speaker 1: and the person is relaxed and they're restored. The second
Speaker 1: group is awareness practices. Now many people would call that mindfulness.
Speaker 1: I chose particularly not to call it mindfulness because again
Speaker 1: just really trying to stay out of any particular culture
Speaker 1: of how these how breathing is described. So awareness is
Speaker 1: just more universal and it's really just about the power
Speaker 1: of becoming aware of your breathing. Already creates that global
Speaker 1: neural coherence, and then if you can become aware of
Speaker 1: your breathing with the actions that you're taking, that becomes
Speaker 1: very powerful for bringing all kinds of insights to you
Speaker 1: about yourself and your life. The third group is therapeutic.
Speaker 1: These are very specific breathwork practices that have you know,
Speaker 1: what is the rate that I'm breathing?
Speaker 2: Is it fast? Is it slow?
Speaker 1: Is it this many breats per minute? Is it you
Speaker 1: know something? Does it change each minute? Am I breathing
Speaker 1: through my nose or my mouth? Why would I be
Speaker 1: doing that? How might each benefit me?
Speaker 2: Or not?
Speaker 1: Am I having a long, slow, deep breath? Or am
Speaker 1: I breathing very quickly?
Speaker 2: You know? How?
Speaker 1: What is my body position? It's the ratio, like am
Speaker 1: I breathing in at the same amount that I'm breathing out?
Speaker 1: Or am I breathing in and then breathing out a
Speaker 1: lot longer, you know all just am I breathing through
Speaker 1: one nostril? Am I breathing through both nostrils? All of
Speaker 1: these different kinds of things. There are practices that we
Speaker 1: know and some of them have science behind them. Now,
Speaker 1: some of them we have experiential knowledge. Some of them
Speaker 1: we have the science that we know they produce certain results,
Speaker 1: you know, for instance, heating up the body, relaxing, going
Speaker 1: to sleep, energizing, focus, you know, attention. There's also like
Speaker 1: breathing practices to help if we have any kind of
Speaker 1: respiratory challenge asthma, emphysema, different COPD, or just we have
Speaker 1: a cold or a flu. There are actually practices that
Speaker 1: can help clean out the lungs and heal, help you
Speaker 1: heal faster. If you're overbreathing, like blowing off too much
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide, there are practices that can help to help
Speaker 1: teach you how not to do that. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many. So there's these therapeutic set of practices.
Speaker 1: The fourth I call development, and it's about developing the
Speaker 1: qualities that we all want to develop as human beings.
Speaker 1: For instance, awareness, compassion, humility, strength, empowerment, faith, trust, joy, beauty.
Speaker 1: I mean all of these inner peace, love, loving kindness,
Speaker 1: all of these things that all of us would like
Speaker 1: to be able to experience. There are breathing techniques. There
Speaker 1: are breathing practices that will give you a somatic experience
Speaker 1: of those qualities. And one of my favorite parts of
Speaker 1: the book is in chapter nine. Since you've read it,
Speaker 1: you might remember this. There's about fifteen pages of practices
Speaker 1: that are about all these different qualities that I was
Speaker 1: just naming, you know, power and peace and alignment and
Speaker 1: faith and love and radiance. And it's so wonderful to
Speaker 1: do these practices. Many of them are with movement, but
Speaker 1: they don't have to be. That help us have a
Speaker 1: somatic and cognitive experience of those qualities so that we
Speaker 1: can embody them and not just think about them. And
Speaker 1: the fifth group is I call potential. As you know,
Speaker 1: and these are your breathing practices. Some of if your
Speaker 1: listeners may be very familiar with some of these names
Speaker 1: like conscious connected breathing, therapeutic breathing, integrative breathing, holotropic breathing,
Speaker 1: transformational breathing. There are many schools around the world that
Speaker 1: have developed a method for using breathing to enter heightened
Speaker 1: if not expanded states of consciousness. Essentially, what's happening is
Speaker 1: that people are moving into a state of flow. We
Speaker 1: know from the science of flow that we get a
Speaker 1: little bit of down regulation of the prefrontal cortex, which
Speaker 1: allows us a little more access to the limbic brain,
Speaker 1: that allows us access to our implicit memory, like unknowing
Speaker 1: that we would some kind sometimes call it in guidance.
Speaker 1: And so when people go through those kinds of breathwork sessions,
Speaker 1: which I just want to say to your listeners, I
Speaker 1: highly encourage you to make sure that it's a practitioner
Speaker 1: that has a lot of training, hopefully has been certified
Speaker 1: by the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance, and is committed to
Speaker 1: ethical practice, because they're very exalted and vulnerable and tender
Speaker 1: and beautiful states that people can get into, and very open.
Speaker 1: You're open to your deepest self, you're open to your potential,
Speaker 1: you're open to the oneness.
Speaker 2: That we all are.
Speaker 1: And you want to have a guide who has done
Speaker 1: their own inner work. They're very committed to their own
Speaker 1: inner wholeness and they understand these kinds of states that
Speaker 1: you can get into, and they are very they've studied ethics,
Speaker 1: so they know how to work with you, and they
Speaker 1: have psychological understanding of the psychodynamic process of the younger
Speaker 1: parts of us that would come up during those times.
Speaker 1: So but anyway, all of those schools, they may do
Speaker 1: different methods, they may have a different emphasis about what
Speaker 1: they're paying attention to, but essentially they're all about opening
Speaker 1: up to that.
Speaker 2: You just said so many good things. I'm so excited
Speaker 2: to listen back and honestly read it all again. Okay,
Speaker 2: so just for my brain and then also the listeners, Restoration, awareness,
Speaker 2: therapeutic development, and potential were your five groups. So grateful
Speaker 2: and thankful that you mentioned under the potential category because
Speaker 2: I feel like especially holotropic is so it's very buzz
Speaker 2: not buzzword, but I guess the type of breath work
Speaker 2: experience that most people think of currently, especially in the
Speaker 2: yogic scene, of getting in a big room everybody's breathing
Speaker 2: in a certain way and then having these crazy like
Speaker 2: almost what's the word just all U states, yeah, altered states,
Speaker 2: And it's very it's filmed. Often you see this on
Speaker 2: social media of people having these huge cathartic releases and things,
Speaker 2: and I often think too of I have friends who
Speaker 2: are now guiding some stuff and I'm like, are you
Speaker 2: really number one qualified to be doing that? And also
Speaker 2: is the still within our scope of the service that
Speaker 2: we should be providing. And in that vein for yoga
Speaker 2: teachers too, have even question yourself if you're offering some
Speaker 2: of these if you really are you know, qualified to
Speaker 2: be doing that. McKenzie.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you picked up on that because
Speaker 1: it gives me an opportunity to say, I think that,
Speaker 1: like many discoveries, there was a time when the group
Speaker 1: five Potential Breath were We're kind of like the wild
Speaker 1: Wild West.
Speaker 2: It was just so exciting. It's kind of like when
Speaker 2: the Beatles, you know, hit the scene in the Sigam
Speaker 2: Internet or the Internet came out or something.
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, and so everything can be
Speaker 1: used for good or it can be used unconsciously, and
Speaker 1: we know the kinds of things that can happen when
Speaker 1: things are used unconsciously, like the Internet, right, so you
Speaker 1: know what's happened is I mean, I think holotropic Breathwork is.
Speaker 1: You know, Stan Groff, the founder of it, is a
Speaker 1: beautiful man. I've had the honor and privilege of teaching
Speaker 1: with him. There's a few stories about him in the
Speaker 1: book Where Friends, and that work has been amazing, and
Speaker 1: so to all of these other schools, I in particular
Speaker 1: have decided that what I really want is for people
Speaker 1: to be able to have a deep intimacy, like a
Speaker 1: deep personal intimacy with their breathing without music, without craziness
Speaker 1: going on. Because look, if we're ever in a natural
Speaker 1: disaster and medicines are cut off and there's no machines
Speaker 1: to play music or whatever, the medicine that we're going
Speaker 1: to have is our own breathing. And I know it's
Speaker 1: the most sensual, powerful medicine that any of us have.
Speaker 1: So I want everyone to be able to be fluent
Speaker 1: in their own breathing. And I think that requires that
Speaker 1: people have individual breathwork sessions with a well trained practitioner
Speaker 1: as well as group sessions, because both have their advantages
Speaker 1: and both have their shadows. So in our school, at
Speaker 1: Inspiration Consciousness School, we ask all of our students to
Speaker 1: have an individual breath worker and to participate in consciousness classes,
Speaker 1: in breathwork classes.
Speaker 2: And like that.
Speaker 1: And I just really feel strongly like you were talking
Speaker 1: about scope of practice, the breathwork ethics that we have
Speaker 1: through the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance, are very clear, explicitly
Speaker 1: over and over and over again that we have to
Speaker 1: stay within the scope of our training. So for yoga teachers,
Speaker 1: I was almost thinking of you guys when I created this.
Speaker 1: This like happened in me several years ago. I had
Speaker 1: this thought, you know, yoga teachers. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: the heart of yoga is really it is breathing. And
Speaker 1: when you look at the ancient texts, like Shirley tell
Speaker 1: Us is probably the foremost yoga researcher in the world.
Speaker 1: She's got over two hundred researches published, and she's connected
Speaker 1: with the potentially institute in India, and she's Oxford trained,
Speaker 1: and she's brilliant, and she's a really sweet friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and she's been having her teams study all of the
Speaker 1: ancient yoga texts and it's just clearer than clearer can
Speaker 1: be that the origin of yoga was about conscious breathing,
Speaker 1: and these other things that developed out of it were
Speaker 1: almost like manifestations, like the body would start to move
Speaker 1: into these positions that would open up certain energies. But
Speaker 1: it was all coming from being connected to the breathing.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about, you know, the impact that
Speaker 1: yoga teachers have on the world, and I said to myself, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's going to be yoga teachers that don't want to
Speaker 1: do the four hundred hour or more you know, to
Speaker 1: over two years learn how to do expanded states of consciousness,
Speaker 1: but they are using breathing and people they might start
Speaker 1: to feel like they're having people in their classes that
Speaker 1: are having different experiences, So what can they do to
Speaker 1: have ethical practice as a breathworker. So we now have
Speaker 1: this category of certification called an Ethically Compliant Breathworker and
Speaker 1: it's a fifty hour training with eight hours in addition
Speaker 1: of that to that of ethics over like a six
Speaker 1: to nine month period. And I specifically created it for
Speaker 1: yoga teachers, although I know that other people are going
Speaker 1: to utilize it. And so if you're a yoga teacher,
Speaker 1: you could look on the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance website
Speaker 1: and you could find some schools that are offering these
Speaker 1: fifty hour facilitation trainings for breathwork that include ethics, and
Speaker 1: then you can be certified and on the website that
Speaker 1: you're practicing within your scope ethically, but you do have
Speaker 1: training and breathwork.
Speaker 2: Thank you for thinking of us and making that because
Speaker 2: it is a slippery slope, and I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: is intentionally you know, well maybe some are, but I
Speaker 2: don't think you're intentionally trying. You're trying to help, you're
Speaker 2: trying to be in service of But sometimes I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: it can definitely get outside of our bounds. So I'm
Speaker 2: really grateful for that, and I myself will be looking
Speaker 2: into it as well.
Speaker 1: One other thing I just want to say about that, Mackenzie,
Speaker 1: is that you know, it was the publisher who I
Speaker 1: had not had this thought. I certainly had written about
Speaker 1: the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance in the book a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they actually felt after reading and studying and looking
Speaker 1: around that it says right at the front of the
Speaker 1: book they.
Speaker 2: Put it that.
Speaker 1: People should have a trained breathworker, preferably one that has
Speaker 1: been trained by the Global Professional Breath bath Work Alliance
Speaker 1: or has been certified excuse me, by the Professional Breath
Speaker 1: Work Alliance. And like, I'm working with one yoga school
Speaker 1: right now that created a fifty hour training for people
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm one of their principal teachers in
Speaker 1: this program that specifically so that yoga teachers can be
Speaker 1: ethically certified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is amazing. And I just got this new
Speaker 2: laptop and I don't know how to mute any sounds,
Speaker 2: so excuse me if you heard a little ding. I
Speaker 2: feel like the science part would be really advantageous for
Speaker 2: me to hear directly from you about the anatomy of
Speaker 2: what's really going on when we're breathing, breaking it down
Speaker 2: in a way that yoga teachers can somewhat simply share
Speaker 2: with their students in real time. Would you be able
Speaker 2: to walk us through what it looks like underneath the
Speaker 2: skin and the everything that's happening inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well to say to people too that if
Speaker 1: you're interested in that part. Chapter four in the book
Speaker 1: was like a labor of love. I for probably fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I had wanted to write a chapter or wanted to
Speaker 1: write about breathing that wasn't just like, Okay, what's the
Speaker 1: heart rate variability or what's the pH or what about
Speaker 1: the autonomic nervous system and sympathetic comparasympathetic because most breathwork
Speaker 1: books or breathing books would focus on one or two
Speaker 1: of those aspects. And I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: There's brain waves, there's pH there's heart rate variability, there's
Speaker 1: the anatomy, there's you know, there's the auto nervous system,
Speaker 1: there's the microbiome, there's and I came up with, you
Speaker 1: know twelve, there's the polyvagel in the vegus nerve. And
Speaker 1: so I came up with like twelve of these different
Speaker 1: aspect and I was very fortunate to have a professor
Speaker 1: from Johns Hopkins, who was a brain specialist who's also
Speaker 1: trained with me to be a breath worker, to co
Speaker 1: write that chapter so that I could make sure that
Speaker 1: it was absolutely scientifically accurate. And that end of it
Speaker 1: culminates where you can actually breathe and you've now understood
Speaker 1: all of these different things in terms that it's written
Speaker 1: at a kind of a college level, college level, not graduate,
Speaker 1: but you know, undergraduate, and you can now breathe and
Speaker 1: be aware of all of those things happening in you,
Speaker 1: like every inhale and every exhale, and it's actually a
Speaker 1: kind of a psychedelic experience.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you took yourself through it achdelic It
Speaker 2: really is. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: So I think what I'll do right now is just
Speaker 1: because it would you know, that could be a two
Speaker 1: hour podcast right there is just to talk about a
Speaker 1: couple of the most essential basic parts for the for
Speaker 1: the yoga teachers. So we have I'm sure everybody knows this,
Speaker 1: but we have this amazing muscle, the diaphragm. It's the
Speaker 1: most important and the most powerful muscle in our body,
Speaker 1: and it is smooth, flat muscle tissue that is lying
Speaker 1: when it's at rest, it's in a dome shape. That
Speaker 1: where the dome is up right underneath the ribbed cage.
Speaker 1: So if you if you know how your ribs go
Speaker 1: sort of are almost like in a v they come
Speaker 1: up in a vortex at the bottom. There the diaphragm rests.
Speaker 1: When it's at rest, it's in a dome shape underneath
Speaker 1: that ribbed cage. It's attached to the ribs and your spine,
Speaker 1: and it's this amazing flexible muscle. The most important thing
Speaker 1: we can do for our longevity, for our states of consciousness,
Speaker 1: for our emotional regulation people is to have a diaphragm
Speaker 1: that is both flexible and strong. And there are there
Speaker 1: exercises that you can do to help your diaphragm become
Speaker 1: more flexible, and there are exercises you can do to
Speaker 1: strengthen it, though it will stand you in good stead.
Speaker 1: When we inhale, the diaphragm moves down, so the dome
Speaker 1: now inverts and it moves down and it becomes like
Speaker 1: a vacuum. It creates a suction and a vacuum that
Speaker 1: expands the lungs. It pulls the lungs down so the
Speaker 1: lungs are now stretched out to and when that happens,
Speaker 1: it creates a differential in the pressure in your body
Speaker 1: so that air can flowing easily through your lungs. When
Speaker 1: you exhale, that diaphragm moves back up into the resting
Speaker 1: position where the dome is lying against or up against
Speaker 1: the ribs. That is the most essential thing to know
Speaker 1: that having a flexible diaphragm, and which you can work
Speaker 1: a lot on by actually doing gentle massage on your
Speaker 1: own abdomen and feeling underneath, putting your fingers underneath the
Speaker 1: ribs and kind of feeling if there's you know how
Speaker 1: you'll sometimes feel like a little muscle not or something's
Speaker 1: not flexible about your tissue, and you can just kind
Speaker 1: of work on that all along your rib cage and
Speaker 1: then massage your stomach and then also do like what
Speaker 1: we would call pandiculation, which is kind of like what
Speaker 1: a cat does when it wakes up, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of stretches and yawns and the body just moves. That's
Speaker 1: really powerful as a human being. So that if you're
Speaker 1: taking huge deep breasts and you're stretching like that, that
Speaker 1: will also help give your diaphragm more flexibility. Strengthening your
Speaker 1: diaphragm can be things like actually lying on your back
Speaker 1: and placing a small weight, very small at first, tiny
Speaker 1: amount of weight on your belly and making yourself have
Speaker 1: your which is supposed to happen your belly's supposed to
Speaker 1: expanduring inhale, but really almost exaggerating it, so your diaphragm
Speaker 1: has to work a little bit harder, and then you
Speaker 1: can work your way up with the weights on that.
Speaker 1: These are just a few examples, but just to understand
Speaker 1: the beauty of this amazing work of art of this
Speaker 1: diaphragm and how it's going to flow and invert it
Speaker 1: self and create and pull down your lungs. So your
Speaker 1: lungs are now like this almost like a vacuum. That's
Speaker 1: pulling in the air, so that really if you focus there,
Speaker 1: that's where you're going to get the most progress about
Speaker 1: your breathing. And then to understand that when the air
Speaker 1: comes in through your trachea through the it comes through
Speaker 1: the mouth into a tube called the trachea, which breaks
Speaker 1: into two branches that go to each of the lungs,
Speaker 1: the bronchi, and then in the bronchi. Rather in the lungs,
Speaker 1: the bronchi becomes smaller until they a smaller and smaller
Speaker 1: until they end up in these little tiny sacts called
Speaker 1: the aveoli. And when you can get the air all
Speaker 1: the way into the aveole ee, you create such a
Speaker 1: lovely capacity to move oxygenated blood when you exhale into
Speaker 1: the blood stream, into the vein, into the arteries, into
Speaker 1: the blood stream, so that you have really highly oxygenated
Speaker 1: blood and you're efficiently releasing carbon dioxide and not either
Speaker 1: blowing out too much carbon dioxide or retaining too much
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. And yeah, so now what's happening in the
Speaker 1: brain is that you know, I think I already explained this.
Speaker 1: We're breathing from a little mechanism in the brain discovered
Speaker 1: by Jackfeld. Doctor Jack Feldman at UCLA. The instigator of
Speaker 1: breathing is called the prebot cinder complex. It's in the
Speaker 1: brain stem. It's a rhythm generator. And I love to
Speaker 1: say that because rather than thinking of an on off switch,
Speaker 1: to really understand that our breathing is not an on
Speaker 1: off thing. It's a rhythm. It's like it's a pulse,
Speaker 1: it's music. I tried to bring in as much poetry
Speaker 1: feeling of poetry in the book, because this is a
Speaker 1: work of art. This is like great beauty. The science
Speaker 1: it's self is art, you know, And so at any rate,
Speaker 1: so if you're breathing automatically without thinking, the prebots in
Speaker 1: your complex is going to stimulate and inhale, and you're
Speaker 1: going to inhale, and you're going to be pulling in
Speaker 1: oxygen and some nitrogen because the air is made of
Speaker 1: nitrogen and a little bit of carbon dioxide. And there's
Speaker 1: going to be a point right when you are needing
Speaker 1: to exhale where there's a little phase that's called the
Speaker 1: post inspiration phase. And so some people will experience that
Speaker 1: as a small pause, and it's a perfectly natural thing.
Speaker 1: And then what happens is we begin to exhale and
Speaker 1: the brain goes into more of a passive state. It's
Speaker 1: not pushing, it's not wanting to push the air, push
Speaker 1: your lungs out. It's wanting to just release the air
Speaker 1: that's in your lungs and the air that has been
Speaker 1: coming in has been filtered. If you've breathed through your
Speaker 1: nose with those little sillia hairs in your nose that
Speaker 1: are you know, kind of removing viruses, toxins, things in
Speaker 1: the air that are not particles that would not be
Speaker 1: good for you. But on the way out, the brain
Speaker 1: is in more of a rest state in the exhale. Now,
Speaker 1: there's so many other things we could talk about. We
Speaker 1: could talk about the vagus nerve, we could talk about
Speaker 1: the brain waves, we could talk about the heart rate variability.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that I will suggest to
Speaker 1: yoga teachers is it is absolutely optimal if you have
Speaker 1: your students do any kind of breathing exercises and you'll
Speaker 1: yoga poses and asinas in any of that is to
Speaker 1: have them end the session by breathing in a manner
Speaker 1: where the amount of time that they're breathing in becomes
Speaker 1: equivalent to the amount of time they're breathing out and
Speaker 1: vice versa. That is the most regulating kind of breathing.
Speaker 1: There is the body loves inhale and exhale to be
Speaker 1: at the exact same amount of time. And many people
Speaker 1: know about coherent breathing, sometimes called resonance breathing, which is
Speaker 1: generally five to sixpress a minute, and it is very
Speaker 1: powerful and it works for most people. But there are
Speaker 1: some people who need to breathe less than that for
Speaker 1: optimal regulation, and some that need to breathe more. So
Speaker 1: I would want to encourage yoga teachers. There's a beautiful
Speaker 1: technique called Matrica promium Sha means mother of mothers. It's
Speaker 1: the mother of all mothers, and there's a beautiful description
Speaker 1: of it in chapter seven in the book, and it
Speaker 1: teaches you how to teach people how to find their
Speaker 1: own rate of inhale at next shale that is optimal
Speaker 1: for them, rather than to do it by it, even
Speaker 1: though it's very powerful to do it with the bells
Speaker 1: and the five point two breasts permitted or six breast
Speaker 1: per minute. I think what's more optimal is to have
Speaker 1: them find the rate of breathing that works for them
Speaker 1: on that day and you can teach them that, and
Speaker 1: so you can find that in the book.
Speaker 2: That is so lovely, and this whole conversation has been
Speaker 2: so lovely, And as with all anytime I continue to
Speaker 2: endeavor down learning more about yoga, it always seems that
Speaker 2: the answer is, well, it depends, you know, it depends
Speaker 2: on where you're starting from and where you'd like to
Speaker 2: go and exactly how you go about getting to that.
Speaker 2: And I think that that is a testament to a
Speaker 2: true master, like somebody who really understands this is like,
Speaker 2: there really isn't you know, one general or one size
Speaker 2: fits all. I'd love that you you made it roomy enough.
Speaker 1: And I think that when we do make one size
Speaker 1: fits all for anything, Mackenzie, I think we can actually
Speaker 1: do harm to people because people can either be doing
Speaker 1: something that actually isn't good for them, It isn't optimizing,
Speaker 1: and they feel like they're comparing themselves to something that
Speaker 1: says this is what they should be doing. So it
Speaker 1: can be very disorienting, dysregulating, can even be shaming it
Speaker 1: just you know, I think we really need to understand
Speaker 1: that each person is a bioindividual and yoga and breathing
Speaker 1: and nutrition and all of it, optimally would be bio individualized.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Well, thank you so much, Jessica
Speaker 2: for hopping on the podcast, for being so generous and
Speaker 2: everything that you shared in the book and here in
Speaker 2: this chat. If listeners are loving what you're saying and
Speaker 2: they're wanting to jump into the book the trainings, where
Speaker 2: can they plug into you and your world, share a
Speaker 2: little bit about how they can get connected.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much so. If you would like to
Speaker 1: connect with me personally or the training programs that I do,
Speaker 1: you could go to our website which is www dot
Speaker 1: Inspirationcommunity dot org, inspiration Community all one word, or you
Speaker 1: can write to me at essence at Inspirationcommunity dot org.
Speaker 1: The website for the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance is Breathworkalliance
Speaker 1: dot com. There's another website that I'll briefly tell you about,
Speaker 1: which is Universal Breathingdeclaration dot earth. And that declaration was
Speaker 1: written in twenty twenty when those three waves of breathlessness happened,
Speaker 1: and I just woke up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and I was like, every person deserves to be
Speaker 1: able to breathe fully and well and safely. How can
Speaker 1: we bring about that world. And so there's a website
Speaker 1: Universal Breathingdeclaration dot earth where you'll see a little video
Speaker 1: and you'll see the declaration. It's been signed by Jack Cornfield,
Speaker 1: it's been signed by doctor Dan Siegel, been signed by
Speaker 1: people from about twenty different countries already from around the world,
Speaker 1: and you would have the chance to commit to being
Speaker 1: a person that would live those principles and practice conscious
Speaker 1: breathing every day. And also McKenzie has a link if
Speaker 1: any of you want to get the book that it's
Speaker 1: twenty percent off and free shipping for her listeners. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so those are some different ways you can be in touch.
Speaker 2: Excellent, yes, and we'll include everything in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for sharing that with my community,
Speaker 2: the twenty percent off and the free shipping, and just
Speaker 2: thank you. Thank you again, Jessica, thank.
Speaker 1: You Mackenzie, Thank you for caring so much about the
Speaker 1: world that you devote yourself to this podcast. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you to you as well for what you've written.
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