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<v Speaker 1>If humanity created a breathing centered culture where we understood

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<v Speaker 1>the importance of the first breath and the last breath

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<v Speaker 1>and every breath that comes in between, and people were

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged to feel and to listen to the sensations of

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<v Speaker 1>their breathing, the sound of their breathing, the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>their breathing. If they could be quieter together sometimes to

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<v Speaker 1>be with each other's breathing. There's only one group, and

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<v Speaker 1>that in group out group would dissolve. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>seen it happen so many times where enemies, people that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't trust each other, couples that were on the verge

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<v Speaker 1>of breaking up, would breathe together and something fundamentally different

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<v Speaker 1>than the way they'd been orienting themselves happened.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, everybody, and welcome back to yyd where you

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<v Speaker 2>are learning to level up your Yoga ti dying, one

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<v Speaker 2>masterful class at a time. What if the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that has the power to unite humanity is something you're

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<v Speaker 2>already doing twenty thousand times a day. Today's guest, Jessica

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<v Speaker 2>Dibb is a breathwork pioneer, author and educator who believes

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<v Speaker 2>breathing isn't just a biological function. It's the universal language

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<v Speaker 2>that connects every living being. We explore the science, psychology, spirituality,

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<v Speaker 2>and ethics of breath work and why conscious breathing may

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the most profound practices available to us

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<v Speaker 2>as yoga teachers and human beings. We chat about why

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica calls the breath the great equalizer, not death, the

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<v Speaker 2>surprising connection between breathing and love, what's actually happening in

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<v Speaker 2>your brain and nervous system every time you inhale and exhale,

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<v Speaker 2>the powerful reason she believes breath can dissolve the us

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<v Speaker 2>versus them mindset, the five categories of breath work, and

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<v Speaker 2>why they're often confused with one another. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>was my favorite part of the episode. Why conscious breathing

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<v Speaker 2>may have been Yoga's a rich practice long before the poses,

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<v Speaker 2>why one breathing technique isn't right for every student, the

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<v Speaker 2>ethical questions every yoga teacher should ask before facilitating powerful

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<v Speaker 2>breathwork experiences, the overlooked muscle that has an enormous impact

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<v Speaker 2>on your longevity, emotional regulation, and quality of breath, And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>why the perfect breathing ratio doesn't actually exist and what

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<v Speaker 2>to look for instead. Whether you're simply queuing ujai in

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<v Speaker 2>class or fascinated by the deeper science and philosophy of breath,

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation will change the way you think about the

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<v Speaker 2>most fundamental thing that we all share. Now, take a

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<v Speaker 2>deep breath and turn it up and let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Yogi's Mackenzie fly Here Mom, yoga printer, teacher, trainer,

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<v Speaker 2>retreat leader, and your guide to master your yoga teaching.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast is your weekly dose of actionable wisdom and

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<v Speaker 2>candid chats with industry experts. Learn to connect deeper, weave

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<v Speaker 2>Hit subscribe and let's grow one episode at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica div is the author of Breathwork and Psychotherapy Clinical

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<v Speaker 2>Applications for Healing and Transformation. Her work centers conscious breathing, synthesizing,

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<v Speaker 2>deep psychology, consciousness studies, science, somatic, emotional, and cognitive energy,

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<v Speaker 2>and wholeness. She advocates for powerful, safe, multi dimensional breathwork

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<v Speaker 2>to access our deepest potential. Jessica is the founder and

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<v Speaker 2>director of Inspiration Consciousness School and is the global professional

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<v Speaker 2>Breathwork Alliance founding co director and ethics chair, Jessica develops

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<v Speaker 2>innovative processes for embodying wholeness using breathwork alongside established and

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<v Speaker 2>emergent wisdom teachings to cultivate presence, wisdom, and love throughout

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<v Speaker 2>our lifespan in relationship with all life and this breathing planet.

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<v Speaker 2>What an amazing bio, Jessica, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>being here. I'm so excited to chat with you today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really lovely to be with you, McKenzie. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like your energy is just such a gift to our planet.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so supportive of everyone you talk to and what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing on this podcast I know is supporting so

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<v Speaker 1>many really beautiful souls who are yoga teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a blessing already. Thank you, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>saying that, and how kind I receive it. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a minute since we first connected, and when we first

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<v Speaker 2>connected you were even kind then. I was sharing with

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<v Speaker 2>you of just being in knee deep in the early

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<v Speaker 2>phases of motherhood and being so tired, and You're like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, I get it, And maybe let's postpone

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<v Speaker 2>to another time when we're not so tired. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>been weeks, if not, I think maybe even months since that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's just been I've been eagerly awaiting this

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<v Speaker 2>chance to reconnect with you here, and you are also

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<v Speaker 2>so kind and your energy each time I've hopped on

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<v Speaker 2>with you, and you being sensitive to that and being

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<v Speaker 2>open to moving it to a better time. I just

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you as well, So thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to pass it right back to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And it makes me think of that phrase that's if

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<v Speaker 2>you spot it, you got it. If you can sense it,

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<v Speaker 2>you are it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You have had such an incredible career and many many accomplishments.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I would love to talk about your

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<v Speaker 2>latest book that you had sent to me, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for that. This has been an incredible read breath

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<v Speaker 2>work and psychotherapy. I'm going to show it for the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are watching the video. Beautiful, beautiful cover with

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<v Speaker 2>these lungs and flowers, and I have just tore through

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<v Speaker 2>the pages and then my toddler found my flags and

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<v Speaker 2>also put some parts. You put flags in the books

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<v Speaker 2>of other pages that I should pay attention to, which

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was really cute. But it is just it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those that is incredible the first time you

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<v Speaker 2>read it, but you're also like, I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back and read it a couple of times

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<v Speaker 2>just because of how dense and articulate and specific you got.

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<v Speaker 2>So congratulations on this book, and tell us a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about in general, the process of writing it before

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<v Speaker 2>we peel it apart and really dig into the details

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<v Speaker 2>and come through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you McKenzie. Yeah, it was really like, so

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<v Speaker 1>I would not have thought that if I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to write a book, I would not have thought that

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to write a book that would talk

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<v Speaker 1>about bringing together the gifts of psychological process and breath

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<v Speaker 1>work or psychotherapy and breath work, because you know, breath

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<v Speaker 1>work it's so much about awakening consciousness and healing at

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<v Speaker 1>a psychological level and connection with you know, the fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>frequency of creation and some people would call that God

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the spiritual and I just for me

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<v Speaker 1>breathing and love, which we will talk conscious breathing and

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<v Speaker 1>love or synonymous. One is the physiological piece of it

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<v Speaker 1>and the other is the emotional and we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that in a little bit. So I was just

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<v Speaker 1>stunned when Norton Publishers came to me and asked me

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<v Speaker 1>if I would write this book about how breathwork is

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<v Speaker 1>psychotherapy could be integrated. And I remember feeling like it

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<v Speaker 1>was a calling card from the universe, that there was

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<v Speaker 1>something that was incredibly important here, and I had to

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<v Speaker 1>really be with that topic inside of myself for a

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<v Speaker 1>good two to three years before I actually started writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, it wasn't that I didn't have ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>but I knew that there was somehow going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a convergence of what they were wanting, which was to

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<v Speaker 1>have a handbook, a guide, a textbook for therapists, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not just psychotherapists, psychiatrists and psychologists, spiritual directors, and also

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<v Speaker 1>other kinds of therapists, somatic therapists and breath workers. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also knew that somehow the book had to be

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<v Speaker 1>about elevating consciousness and love. So I just I really

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<v Speaker 1>sat with it for two or three years and just

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<v Speaker 1>kept taking notes, and what emerged was a book that

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<v Speaker 1>calls breath workers to a higher level of practice and

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<v Speaker 1>calls psychotherapy to re envision itself from within the understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of breathing which is a primal and foundational language for

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<v Speaker 1>all of us, and it is therefore it becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>book about love. It becomes a book about becoming present

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<v Speaker 1>to the love and wisdom that is inside of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and doing the psychological work that yields wholeness that is

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated by using breathwork tremendously, and the book, to me

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<v Speaker 1>is a wonder At this point, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>just had to surrender to listening to something that neither

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<v Speaker 1>the publisher nor I would have conceived of, and something

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<v Speaker 1>out of it that was better than either of us

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<v Speaker 1>could have imagined.

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<v Speaker 2>Well said, and I can see that so much now

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<v Speaker 2>coming through, And what an experience, What an experience to

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<v Speaker 2>premeditate that long and to give yourself the spaciousness and

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<v Speaker 2>have the patience to let it unfold in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes when we are tasked with an assignment,

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<v Speaker 2>it's even similar to being asked a question of not

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<v Speaker 2>really taking a second to even think that were already

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<v Speaker 2>you know, responding or jumping into the writing of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that that's a testament to you and

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<v Speaker 2>that it for it to ultimately boil down to love,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is also what makes it very unique and

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<v Speaker 2>different and universal. So I found it highly fascinating. I mean, right,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the beginning. I loved just the concept of

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<v Speaker 2>the unifying how how we are all breathers, and that

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<v Speaker 2>being the universal language. So can we start there and

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<v Speaker 2>walk us through how you would describe that and what

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<v Speaker 2>you mean by what you mean by that? Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. I love that question probably more than any other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really think we you know, when we have

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<v Speaker 1>experiences like of a baby being born, of somebody passing

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<v Speaker 1>precious they've been. When we awaken to beauty in art

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, some kind of something that's something that

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<v Speaker 1>somebody has contributed. When we have experience as spiritual experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>people who have near death experiences. You know, just there

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<v Speaker 1>are so many altered states, expanded states of consciousness that

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<v Speaker 1>people have. Everybody has a similar way of describing that

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<v Speaker 1>they realize in those moments that everything is one and

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<v Speaker 1>that it's all. Yes, there are infinite amounts of differentiated

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<v Speaker 1>expressions of the one, but the fabric of it is

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<v Speaker 1>just one. And I my father was a great peace activist.

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<v Speaker 1>His whole work was about the abolition of war, he

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<v Speaker 1>he worked other places all around the globe too, And

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<v Speaker 1>I was very inspired as a child to try to

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<v Speaker 1>feel I could feel like every person had love in them.

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<v Speaker 1>I could feel it, and that this love really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be given fully to the world, but that there

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<v Speaker 1>was fear that was inhibiting them. And so my work

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<v Speaker 1>kind of inspired by my dad and inspired by the

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<v Speaker 1>love that I was seeing in everybody. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>find a universal medicine, a universal key, a universal nectar

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<v Speaker 1>or elixir that would unlock the love in people and

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<v Speaker 1>dissolve the fear. And I went through many different things

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<v Speaker 1>that I was, you know, thinking could be it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dance and psychology and yoga and living in an astron

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<v Speaker 1>for years, and all of these things were beautiful medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to go to medical school. I loved science.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved biology, and then I just remember having an

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<v Speaker 1>epiphany when I did a really deep breath work session. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>in my early twenties, I had this epiphany, this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the universal key. This doesn't have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a particular culture, a particular language, a particular everybody's breathing

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<v Speaker 1>and were all breathing all the time, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>what set me on a search to really understand every

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<v Speaker 1>possible aspect of conscious breathing and breathwork that I could.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I do say that you know, breathing, conscious

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<v Speaker 1>breathing is the unifying medicine nutrient of the human species,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it's our greatest medicine and teacher and friend

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<v Speaker 1>and even lover. And when you think about it, the

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<v Speaker 1>in my group. Well, you can create an in and

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<v Speaker 1>and I are so thrilled to be here together, if

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<v Speaker 1>this state and I'm in that state. So there's skin color,

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<v Speaker 1>in group and an outgroup about anything, except for one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what hit me one day, the group of breathers.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't create an in group and an outgroup about that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one group of breathers, and everybody's in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, animals are in it, and the trees

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<v Speaker 1>and grass are participating in all of that. So the implications,

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<v Speaker 1>the profound possibilities here. If humanity created a breathing centric

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<v Speaker 1>and the last breath and every breath that comes in between, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Encouraged to feel and to listen to the sensations of

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<v Speaker 1>be with each other's breathing. I know there's only one group,

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<v Speaker 1>and that in group out group would dissolve. And I

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<v Speaker 1>verge of breaking up, would breathe together, and something fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of wisdom arises that comes from love, and

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<v Speaker 1>we get creative from that, and so new things start

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, and I, you know, I just can't say

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<v Speaker 1>enough about this profound medicine that each of us has

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<v Speaker 1>in our own chest, and that you know, even people

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<v Speaker 1>on respirators can bring awareness to their breathing. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>literally the universal key.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, Oh, what a beautiful answer, What a beautiful answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a yoga teacher who said something to the

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<v Speaker 2>effect of the only real requirements you need for a

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<v Speaker 2>yoga practice is you need to be breathing. You need

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<v Speaker 2>to be a breather, basically in your words, and then

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<v Speaker 2>also like a willingness to I'm butchering his exact words,

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<v Speaker 2>but like a willingness to shift your awareness. That that's

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<v Speaker 2>like the two key ingredients that you need for a

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<v Speaker 2>yoga practice is an ability to be aware, like in

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<v Speaker 2>control of where you're placing your attention and breathing. Which

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<v Speaker 2>I love that because it made it so inclusive and

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<v Speaker 2>most mostly inclusive, and it automatically eliminates and dissolves all

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<v Speaker 2>this hierarchy or ability, and it's like, listen, these are

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<v Speaker 2>these are the things that are the most important. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually making me think of another book. It's at

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<v Speaker 2>the front of my mind because I'm also reading it currently.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Twelve Laws of the Universe. Have you read this?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not. Yeah, it's fascinating and it's perhaps a

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<v Speaker 2>same way or a different way of saying similar things,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you're like, it's this universal law, it's this

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<v Speaker 2>universal key. The very first law is the law of oneness,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's speaking about how we're all created from the

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<v Speaker 2>same source. We're the same thing, just different expressions of

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. And a metaphor, yeah, a metaphor that

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<v Speaker 2>it was using was like, the ocean is the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's waves that come out of the ocean

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<v Speaker 2>that are the individual expression of the ocean. But the

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<v Speaker 2>wave returns to the sea, it's still made up of

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<v Speaker 2>the same stuff that I love this law and what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying too, because the human experience is that of disconnection.

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<v Speaker 2>What we often experience is disconnection, but it's reminding us

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<v Speaker 2>of connection and taking us out of isolation and back

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<v Speaker 2>to integration, out of our things that make us seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>feel different from one another, and remind us of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that brings us into union with one another, which

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<v Speaker 2>of course is such a beautiful yoga concept. So wow, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and way to articulate that. And that is what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hearing when you speak about breathers and that it just

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<v Speaker 2>it almost like levels the playing fields and it welcomes

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<v Speaker 2>in all people.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you've understood that part about leveling the

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<v Speaker 1>playing field. It really is a model of co empowerment

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<v Speaker 1>and real equality and equity. If we can bring about

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<v Speaker 1>a planet in which everybody can breathe safely and fully

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<v Speaker 1>and well, you know there's that saying that death is

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<v Speaker 1>the great equalizer. I think breath is the great equalizer.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want to be able to breathe. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you know a couple of things I'll say about that

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<v Speaker 1>is in twenty twenty, I feel like humanity experienced the shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we are trying to birth the culture

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<v Speaker 1>of love. We are trying to come out of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cultures that have fear and personality that are very

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<v Speaker 1>endemic in them and move to a level of love

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<v Speaker 1>and creativity. And so the shadow since breathing, Since when

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<v Speaker 1>we're born, we're wired to do two things. Physiologically, the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing we have to do is breathe, that's the imperative. Emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing we have to do is connect or love.

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<v Speaker 1>Babies will love their parents no matter what. So the

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<v Speaker 1>twinned immediacy of that that we're born wired to love

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<v Speaker 1>and wired to breathe as our primary directive at that

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<v Speaker 1>moment is so profound for neurological impacts the way we

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<v Speaker 1>think about ourselves and life and others, that if that

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<v Speaker 1>could be supported from the very beginning, it would be profound.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I noticed in twenty twenty is that the

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<v Speaker 1>shadow of that, which would be breathlessness, swept across our

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<v Speaker 1>planet in three waves. First the fires started, so there

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<v Speaker 1>was the huge fire in Australia. A billion animals died,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they estimate. People died, trees died. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>fires broke out in Europe, and then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>huge one in the western part of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>COVID came and suddenly everyone was aware. So the fires,

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<v Speaker 1>I just would have to say, they suffocated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>animals and people and plants, and so many died COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>We became so aware of the importance of breathing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes about how people were with their family

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<v Speaker 1>members or healthcare workers were tending to patients. It still

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<v Speaker 1>makes me cry to think about how they would be

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there just thinking to themselves, just one more breath,

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<v Speaker 1>just hang in there. If you can breathe, just one

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<v Speaker 1>more breath, maybe you can make it through. Like, we

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<v Speaker 1>just became so aware of the preciousness of each breath

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<v Speaker 1>because COVID in particular, was an attack on the respiratory system.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there were the famous words spoken by George Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't breathe, and that you know, all of this

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<v Speaker 1>was happening during the same time period in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think when George said those words, he was

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<v Speaker 1>saying them obviously for himself. But what happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>world is that you know, from time and memorial there

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<v Speaker 1>have been people that have spoken those same words when

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<v Speaker 1>they were not free to breathe, when they had to

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<v Speaker 1>hold their breath because feeling like if they brought too

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<v Speaker 1>much attention to themselves, when when things happened to them,

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<v Speaker 1>like happened to George Floyd, anybody who feels suppressed, marginalized.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had these three waves of breathless, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>breathlessness sort of come in to our awareness. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that when the shadow arises like that, it means

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<v Speaker 1>that the golden Shadow is nearby. I think that humanity

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<v Speaker 1>wants to start to value breathing. It wants to start

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the implications of it, the complexities of it,

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<v Speaker 1>the richnesses of it that we have just taken for granted,

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<v Speaker 1>and that when we consciously breathe, we're no longer breathing

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<v Speaker 1>just from our brain stem. We are engaging the pre

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the prefrontal cortex, because we're deciding to breathe

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<v Speaker 1>in a conscious way, and we're engaging in the limbic

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<v Speaker 1>brain because the emotion around that is that there's some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of value of breathing with awareness, or breathing deeper,

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<v Speaker 1>or doing some kind of breathwork. So the brain now

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just having the sorry automatic breathing from the

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<v Speaker 1>brain stem is lit up in a kind of global

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<v Speaker 1>neural coherence where the prefrontal cortex, the limbic brain, and

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<v Speaker 1>the brainstem are all participating in the same action, and

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<v Speaker 1>we know that the respiratory circuits are embedded throughout the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and it opens up a state of capacity and regulation

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<v Speaker 1>and having access to your resources and memories that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know you had, and all kinds of riches open up.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really feel that we're in the time period

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<v Speaker 1>now where the shadow was visited so strongly at breathlessness,

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<v Speaker 1>and now consciously or unconsciously for many people still, we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to birth a species that really values breathing and love.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always darkest before the dawn kind of kind of feeling, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I love how you've done that in so many

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<v Speaker 2>different ways, and what you just said, and then even

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<v Speaker 2>in the book of here's how it literally transpires in

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<v Speaker 2>the body, and then more of the either emotional or

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<v Speaker 2>metaphorical repercussion of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that when you were asking about the

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<v Speaker 1>process of the book, one other thing that I could

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<v Speaker 1>say is, since I felt so such an experiential understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the universality of breathing and that it's the great

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<v Speaker 1>equalizer and all the things that.

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<v Speaker 2>It could do.

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<v Speaker 1>I also felt really committed to having the book have

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<v Speaker 1>the science, the philosophy, the spirituality, the psychology, the poet

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<v Speaker 1>the poetry of it all, you know, the music of

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<v Speaker 1>it all, the psychological processes, psychodynamic understanding, I even the

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<v Speaker 1>mathematic of it all. I tried to really pull so

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<v Speaker 1>much of that all in together because I was really

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<v Speaker 1>trying to show, yeah, the universality of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yes, And I think you just articulated it

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<v Speaker 2>so well because I was like, what is the word

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<v Speaker 2>to describe, and I guess it's very just multi dimensional

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<v Speaker 2>or multifaceted and viewing the same thing through different lenses

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<v Speaker 2>and from different perspectives. So you really achieved it. You

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<v Speaker 2>did a great job, and especially for someone like me

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<v Speaker 2>who I wouldn't necessarily call myself the science part, I

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<v Speaker 2>find it interesting, but that language doesn't stick in my

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<v Speaker 2>brain as easily. I have a harder time. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>use those words, you know. So I learned a lot

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<v Speaker 2>when you were really getting into the science part, which

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to have you, you know, unpack on

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<v Speaker 2>some of the listeners and maybe help educate. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was the specific part that I wanted to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>about is when you group them into five categories, would

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<v Speaker 2>you maybe for listeners talk the five categories before then

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<v Speaker 2>maybe going into some of the breath anatomy and the

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<v Speaker 2>brain anatomy part was really fascinating too of what is

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<v Speaker 2>literally going on in the body while you're breathing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, McKenzie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've said for a long time that breath

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<v Speaker 1>work is a spectrum of breathing practices that are meant

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<v Speaker 1>to enhance physical, emotional, cognitive, and spiritual wellbeing. And it just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just like some people like classical music and

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<v Speaker 1>other people prefer, you know, country music, and other people

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<v Speaker 1>prefer jazz and rock, but it's still music. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that universality piece there. You know, everybody is different, every

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<v Speaker 1>psyche is different, every soul is different. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>is going to support someone in breathing, in in regulating

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling whole, in becoming present to their full capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of breathing is going to support that? It

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be very different for every person, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was very important therefore to differentiate that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just conscious breathing. That's the maintenance thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we all can learn to do throughout throughout the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is incredibly powerful to be aware of your

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<v Speaker 1>breathing all day long and even into the night and

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<v Speaker 1>while you're sleeping. But if you're going to use breathwork practices,

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<v Speaker 1>what practices are you using for what purpose for that

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<v Speaker 1>particular person at that time? And so I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be useful to understand these five categories that there

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<v Speaker 1>are these simple breathing practices, most of which have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with a slightly deeper inhale and a long or

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<v Speaker 1>exhale of some kind that is a relaxing exhale. I

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<v Speaker 1>call these just you know, restoration and regulation practices Group one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're very simple. Three breasts will make a huge difference,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Sometimes they include an audible sigh. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>include a little movement. Sometimes it could be a little

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<v Speaker 1>faster or slower, but it's meant to essentially re establish

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<v Speaker 1>a homeostasis of where the autonomic nervous system is regulated

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<v Speaker 1>and the person is relaxed and they're restored. The second

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<v Speaker 1>group is awareness practices. Now many people would call that mindfulness.

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<v Speaker 1>I chose particularly not to call it mindfulness because again

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<v Speaker 1>just really trying to stay out of any particular culture

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<v Speaker 1>of how these how breathing is described. So awareness is

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<v Speaker 1>just more universal and it's really just about the power

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming aware of your breathing. Already creates that global

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<v Speaker 1>neural coherence, and then if you can become aware of

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<v Speaker 1>your breathing with the actions that you're taking, that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful for bringing all kinds of insights to you

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself and your life. The third group is therapeutic.

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<v Speaker 1>These are very specific breathwork practices that have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the rate that I'm breathing?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it fast? Is it slow?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it this many breats per minute? Is it you

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<v Speaker 1>know something? Does it change each minute? Am I breathing

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<v Speaker 1>through my nose or my mouth? Why would I be

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<v Speaker 1>doing that? How might each benefit me?

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<v Speaker 2>Or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I having a long, slow, deep breath? Or am

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<v Speaker 1>I breathing very quickly?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? How?

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<v Speaker 1>What is my body position? It's the ratio, like am

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<v Speaker 1>I breathing in at the same amount that I'm breathing out?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I breathing in and then breathing out a

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<v Speaker 1>lot longer, you know all just am I breathing through

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<v Speaker 1>one nostril? Am I breathing through both nostrils? All of

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<v Speaker 1>these different kinds of things. There are practices that we

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<v Speaker 1>know and some of them have science behind them. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them we have experiential knowledge. Some of them

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<v Speaker 1>we have the science that we know they produce certain results,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for instance, heating up the body, relaxing, going

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep, energizing, focus, you know, attention. There's also like

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<v Speaker 1>breathing practices to help if we have any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>respiratory challenge asthma, emphysema, different COPD, or just we have

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<v Speaker 1>a cold or a flu. There are actually practices that

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<v Speaker 1>can help clean out the lungs and heal, help you

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<v Speaker 1>heal faster. If you're overbreathing, like blowing off too much

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<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide, there are practices that can help to help

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<v Speaker 1>teach you how not to do that. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many. So there's these therapeutic set of practices.

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<v Speaker 1>The fourth I call development, and it's about developing the

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<v Speaker 1>qualities that we all want to develop as human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, awareness, compassion, humility, strength, empowerment, faith, trust, joy, beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all of these inner peace, love, loving kindness,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things that all of us would like

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to experience. There are breathing techniques. There

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<v Speaker 1>are breathing practices that will give you a somatic experience

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<v Speaker 1>of those qualities. And one of my favorite parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the book is in chapter nine. Since you've read it,

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<v Speaker 1>you might remember this. There's about fifteen pages of practices

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<v Speaker 1>that are about all these different qualities that I was

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<v Speaker 1>just naming, you know, power and peace and alignment and

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<v Speaker 1>faith and love and radiance. And it's so wonderful to

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<v Speaker 1>do these practices. Many of them are with movement, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to be. That help us have a

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<v Speaker 1>somatic and cognitive experience of those qualities so that we

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<v Speaker 1>can embody them and not just think about them. And

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth group is I call potential. As you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are your breathing practices. Some of if your

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<v Speaker 1>listeners may be very familiar with some of these names

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<v Speaker 1>like conscious connected breathing, therapeutic breathing, integrative breathing, holotropic breathing,

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<v Speaker 1>transformational breathing. There are many schools around the world that

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<v Speaker 1>have developed a method for using breathing to enter heightened

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<v Speaker 1>if not expanded states of consciousness. Essentially, what's happening is

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<v Speaker 1>that people are moving into a state of flow. We

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<v Speaker 1>know from the science of flow that we get a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of down regulation of the prefrontal cortex, which

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<v Speaker 1>allows us a little more access to the limbic brain,

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<v Speaker 1>that allows us access to our implicit memory, like unknowing

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<v Speaker 1>that we would some kind sometimes call it in guidance.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when people go through those kinds of breathwork sessions,

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<v Speaker 1>which I just want to say to your listeners, I

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<v Speaker 1>highly encourage you to make sure that it's a practitioner

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<v Speaker 1>that has a lot of training, hopefully has been certified

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<v Speaker 1>by the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance, and is committed to

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<v Speaker 1>ethical practice, because they're very exalted and vulnerable and tender

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<v Speaker 1>and beautiful states that people can get into, and very open.

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<v Speaker 1>You're open to your deepest self, you're open to your potential,

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<v Speaker 1>you're open to the oneness.

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<v Speaker 2>That we all are.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want to have a guide who has done

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<v Speaker 1>their own inner work. They're very committed to their own

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<v Speaker 1>inner wholeness and they understand these kinds of states that

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<v Speaker 1>you can get into, and they are very they've studied ethics,

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<v Speaker 1>so they know how to work with you, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have psychological understanding of the psychodynamic process of the younger

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<v Speaker 1>parts of us that would come up during those times.

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<v Speaker 1>So but anyway, all of those schools, they may do

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<v Speaker 1>different methods, they may have a different emphasis about what

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<v Speaker 1>they're paying attention to, but essentially they're all about opening

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<v Speaker 1>up to that.

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<v Speaker 2>You just said so many good things. I'm so excited

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<v Speaker 2>to listen back and honestly read it all again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so just for my brain and then also the listeners, Restoration, awareness,

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<v Speaker 2>therapeutic development, and potential were your five groups. So grateful

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<v Speaker 2>and thankful that you mentioned under the potential category because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like especially holotropic is so it's very buzz

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<v Speaker 2>not buzzword, but I guess the type of breath work

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<v Speaker 2>experience that most people think of currently, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>yogic scene, of getting in a big room everybody's breathing

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<v Speaker 2>in a certain way and then having these crazy like

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<v Speaker 2>almost what's the word just all U states, yeah, altered states,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's very it's filmed. Often you see this on

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<v Speaker 2>social media of people having these huge cathartic releases and things,

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<v Speaker 2>and I often think too of I have friends who

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<v Speaker 2>are now guiding some stuff and I'm like, are you

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<v Speaker 2>really number one qualified to be doing that? And also

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<v Speaker 2>is the still within our scope of the service that

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<v Speaker 2>we should be providing. And in that vein for yoga

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<v Speaker 2>teachers too, have even question yourself if you're offering some

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<v Speaker 2>of these if you really are you know, qualified to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that. McKenzie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that you picked up on that because

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<v Speaker 1>it gives me an opportunity to say, I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>like many discoveries, there was a time when the group

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<v Speaker 1>five Potential Breath were We're kind of like the wild

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<v Speaker 1>Wild West.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so exciting. It's kind of like when

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles, you know, hit the scene in the Sigam

562
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<v Speaker 2>Internet or the Internet came out or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, you know, and so everything can be

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<v Speaker 1>used for good or it can be used unconsciously, and

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<v Speaker 1>we know the kinds of things that can happen when

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<v Speaker 1>things are used unconsciously, like the Internet, right, so you

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<v Speaker 1>know what's happened is I mean, I think holotropic Breathwork is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Stan Groff, the founder of it, is a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful man. I've had the honor and privilege of teaching

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<v Speaker 1>with him. There's a few stories about him in the

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<v Speaker 1>book Where Friends, and that work has been amazing, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to all of these other schools, I in particular

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<v Speaker 1>have decided that what I really want is for people

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to have a deep intimacy, like a

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<v Speaker 1>deep personal intimacy with their breathing without music, without craziness

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Because look, if we're ever in a natural

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<v Speaker 1>disaster and medicines are cut off and there's no machines

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<v Speaker 1>to play music or whatever, the medicine that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have is our own breathing. And I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>the most sensual, powerful medicine that any of us have.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want everyone to be able to be fluent

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<v Speaker 1>in their own breathing. And I think that requires that

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<v Speaker 1>people have individual breathwork sessions with a well trained practitioner

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<v Speaker 1>as well as group sessions, because both have their advantages

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<v Speaker 1>and both have their shadows. So in our school, at

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<v Speaker 1>Inspiration Consciousness School, we ask all of our students to

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<v Speaker 1>have an individual breath worker and to participate in consciousness classes,

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<v Speaker 1>in breathwork classes.

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<v Speaker 2>And like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just really feel strongly like you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about scope of practice, the breathwork ethics that we have

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<v Speaker 1>through the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance, are very clear, explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and over again that we have to

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<v Speaker 1>stay within the scope of our training. So for yoga teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>I was almost thinking of you guys when I created this.

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<v Speaker 1>This like happened in me several years ago. I had

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<v Speaker 1>this thought, you know, yoga teachers. I mean, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of yoga is really it is breathing. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the ancient texts, like Shirley tell

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<v Speaker 1>Us is probably the foremost yoga researcher in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got over two hundred researches published, and she's connected

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<v Speaker 1>with the potentially institute in India, and she's Oxford trained,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's brilliant, and she's a really sweet friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's been having her teams study all of the

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00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 1>ancient yoga texts and it's just clearer than clearer can

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<v Speaker 1>be that the origin of yoga was about conscious breathing,

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<v Speaker 1>and these other things that developed out of it were

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<v Speaker 1>almost like manifestations, like the body would start to move

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<v Speaker 1>into these positions that would open up certain energies. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was all coming from being connected to the breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was thinking about, you know, the impact that

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<v Speaker 1>yoga teachers have on the world, and I said to myself, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be yoga teachers that don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do the four hundred hour or more you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>over two years learn how to do expanded states of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are using breathing and people they might start

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<v Speaker 1>to feel like they're having people in their classes that

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<v Speaker 1>are having different experiences, So what can they do to

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<v Speaker 1>have ethical practice as a breathworker. So we now have

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<v Speaker 1>this category of certification called an Ethically Compliant Breathworker and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fifty hour training with eight hours in addition

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<v Speaker 1>of that to that of ethics over like a six

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<v Speaker 1>to nine month period. And I specifically created it for

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<v Speaker 1>yoga teachers, although I know that other people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to utilize it. And so if you're a yoga teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>you could look on the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance website

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<v Speaker 1>and you could find some schools that are offering these

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<v Speaker 1>fifty hour facilitation trainings for breathwork that include ethics, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can be certified and on the website that

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<v Speaker 1>you're practicing within your scope ethically, but you do have

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<v Speaker 1>training and breathwork.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for thinking of us and making that because

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<v Speaker 2>it is a slippery slope, and I don't think anybody

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<v Speaker 2>is intentionally you know, well maybe some are, but I

635
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<v Speaker 2>don't think you're intentionally trying. You're trying to help, you're

636
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<v Speaker 2>trying to be in service of But sometimes I think, yeah,

637
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<v Speaker 2>it can definitely get outside of our bounds. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really grateful for that, and I myself will be looking

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<v Speaker 2>into it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>One other thing I just want to say about that, Mackenzie,

641
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<v Speaker 1>is that you know, it was the publisher who I

642
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<v Speaker 1>had not had this thought. I certainly had written about

643
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<v Speaker 1>the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance in the book a little bit,

644
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<v Speaker 1>but they actually felt after reading and studying and looking

645
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<v Speaker 1>around that it says right at the front of the

646
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<v Speaker 1>book they.

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<v Speaker 2>Put it that.

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<v Speaker 1>People should have a trained breathworker, preferably one that has

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<v Speaker 1>been trained by the Global Professional Breath bath Work Alliance

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<v Speaker 1>or has been certified excuse me, by the Professional Breath

651
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<v Speaker 1>Work Alliance. And like, I'm working with one yoga school

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<v Speaker 1>right now that created a fifty hour training for people

653
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<v Speaker 1>to do, and I'm one of their principal teachers in

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<v Speaker 1>this program that specifically so that yoga teachers can be

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<v Speaker 1>ethically certified.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is amazing. And I just got this new

657
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<v Speaker 2>laptop and I don't know how to mute any sounds,

658
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<v Speaker 2>so excuse me if you heard a little ding. I

659
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<v Speaker 2>feel like the science part would be really advantageous for

660
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<v Speaker 2>me to hear directly from you about the anatomy of

661
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<v Speaker 2>what's really going on when we're breathing, breaking it down

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that yoga teachers can somewhat simply share

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<v Speaker 2>with their students in real time. Would you be able

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<v Speaker 2>to walk us through what it looks like underneath the

665
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<v Speaker 2>skin and the everything that's happening inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so well to say to people too that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested in that part. Chapter four in the book

668
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<v Speaker 1>was like a labor of love. I for probably fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>I had wanted to write a chapter or wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>write about breathing that wasn't just like, Okay, what's the

671
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<v Speaker 1>heart rate variability or what's the pH or what about

672
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 1>the autonomic nervous system and sympathetic comparasympathetic because most breathwork

673
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 1>books or breathing books would focus on one or two

674
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<v Speaker 1>of those aspects. And I was like, wait a minute.

675
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<v Speaker 1>There's brain waves, there's pH there's heart rate variability, there's

676
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<v Speaker 1>the anatomy, there's you know, there's the auto nervous system,

677
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<v Speaker 1>there's the microbiome, there's and I came up with, you

678
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<v Speaker 1>know twelve, there's the polyvagel in the vegus nerve. And

679
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<v Speaker 1>so I came up with like twelve of these different

680
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<v Speaker 1>aspect and I was very fortunate to have a professor

681
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<v Speaker 1>from Johns Hopkins, who was a brain specialist who's also

682
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<v Speaker 1>trained with me to be a breath worker, to co

683
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.679
<v Speaker 1>write that chapter so that I could make sure that

684
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 1>it was absolutely scientifically accurate. And that end of it

685
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 1>culminates where you can actually breathe and you've now understood

686
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<v Speaker 1>all of these different things in terms that it's written

687
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<v Speaker 1>at a kind of a college level, college level, not graduate,

688
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.800
<v Speaker 1>but you know, undergraduate, and you can now breathe and

689
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<v Speaker 1>be aware of all of those things happening in you,

690
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<v Speaker 1>like every inhale and every exhale, and it's actually a

691
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<v Speaker 1>kind of a psychedelic experience.

692
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you took yourself through it achdelic It

693
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<v Speaker 2>really is. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think what I'll do right now is just

695
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<v Speaker 1>because it would you know, that could be a two

696
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 1>hour podcast right there is just to talk about a

697
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<v Speaker 1>couple of the most essential basic parts for the for

698
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<v Speaker 1>the yoga teachers. So we have I'm sure everybody knows this,

699
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<v Speaker 1>but we have this amazing muscle, the diaphragm. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>most important and the most powerful muscle in our body,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is smooth, flat muscle tissue that is lying

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00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>when it's at rest, it's in a dome shape. That

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<v Speaker 1>where the dome is up right underneath the ribbed cage.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you if you know how your ribs go

705
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of are almost like in a v they come

706
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<v Speaker 1>up in a vortex at the bottom. There the diaphragm rests.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's at rest, it's in a dome shape underneath

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00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 1>that ribbed cage. It's attached to the ribs and your spine,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's this amazing flexible muscle. The most important thing

710
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>we can do for our longevity, for our states of consciousness,

711
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 1>for our emotional regulation people is to have a diaphragm

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<v Speaker 1>that is both flexible and strong. And there are there

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<v Speaker 1>exercises that you can do to help your diaphragm become

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<v Speaker 1>more flexible, and there are exercises you can do to

715
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<v Speaker 1>strengthen it, though it will stand you in good stead.

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<v Speaker 1>When we inhale, the diaphragm moves down, so the dome

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00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 1>now inverts and it moves down and it becomes like

718
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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum. It creates a suction and a vacuum that

719
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>expands the lungs. It pulls the lungs down so the

720
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<v Speaker 1>lungs are now stretched out to and when that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>it creates a differential in the pressure in your body

722
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<v Speaker 1>so that air can flowing easily through your lungs. When

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<v Speaker 1>you exhale, that diaphragm moves back up into the resting

724
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<v Speaker 1>position where the dome is lying against or up against

725
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<v Speaker 1>the ribs. That is the most essential thing to know

726
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<v Speaker 1>that having a flexible diaphragm, and which you can work

727
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<v Speaker 1>a lot on by actually doing gentle massage on your

728
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<v Speaker 1>own abdomen and feeling underneath, putting your fingers underneath the

729
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<v Speaker 1>ribs and kind of feeling if there's you know how

730
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<v Speaker 1>you'll sometimes feel like a little muscle not or something's

731
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<v Speaker 1>not flexible about your tissue, and you can just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of work on that all along your rib cage and

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<v Speaker 1>then massage your stomach and then also do like what

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<v Speaker 1>we would call pandiculation, which is kind of like what

735
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<v Speaker 1>a cat does when it wakes up, you know, kind

736
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<v Speaker 1>of stretches and yawns and the body just moves. That's

737
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<v Speaker 1>really powerful as a human being. So that if you're

738
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<v Speaker 1>taking huge deep breasts and you're stretching like that, that

739
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 1>will also help give your diaphragm more flexibility. Strengthening your

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<v Speaker 1>diaphragm can be things like actually lying on your back

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<v Speaker 1>and placing a small weight, very small at first, tiny

742
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<v Speaker 1>amount of weight on your belly and making yourself have

743
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<v Speaker 1>your which is supposed to happen your belly's supposed to

744
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>expanduring inhale, but really almost exaggerating it, so your diaphragm

745
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>has to work a little bit harder, and then you

746
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 1>can work your way up with the weights on that.

747
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<v Speaker 1>These are just a few examples, but just to understand

748
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<v Speaker 1>the beauty of this amazing work of art of this

749
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 1>diaphragm and how it's going to flow and invert it

750
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>self and create and pull down your lungs. So your

751
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 1>lungs are now like this almost like a vacuum. That's

752
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 1>pulling in the air, so that really if you focus there,

753
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that's where you're going to get the most progress about

754
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>your breathing. And then to understand that when the air

755
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:16.000
<v Speaker 1>comes in through your trachea through the it comes through

756
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the mouth into a tube called the trachea, which breaks

757
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<v Speaker 1>into two branches that go to each of the lungs,

758
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the bronchi, and then in the bronchi. Rather in the lungs,

759
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<v Speaker 1>the bronchi becomes smaller until they a smaller and smaller

760
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.920
<v Speaker 1>until they end up in these little tiny sacts called

761
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 1>the aveoli. And when you can get the air all

762
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<v Speaker 1>the way into the aveole ee, you create such a

763
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 1>lovely capacity to move oxygenated blood when you exhale into

764
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<v Speaker 1>the blood stream, into the vein, into the arteries, into

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<v Speaker 1>the blood stream, so that you have really highly oxygenated

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<v Speaker 1>blood and you're efficiently releasing carbon dioxide and not either

767
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 1>blowing out too much carbon dioxide or retaining too much

768
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide. And yeah, so now what's happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>brain is that you know, I think I already explained this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're breathing from a little mechanism in the brain discovered

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<v Speaker 1>by Jackfeld. Doctor Jack Feldman at UCLA. The instigator of

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<v Speaker 1>breathing is called the prebot cinder complex. It's in the

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<v Speaker 1>brain stem. It's a rhythm generator. And I love to

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<v Speaker 1>say that because rather than thinking of an on off switch,

775
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to really understand that our breathing is not an on

776
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 1>off thing. It's a rhythm. It's like it's a pulse,

777
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>it's music. I tried to bring in as much poetry

778
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>feeling of poetry in the book, because this is a

779
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<v Speaker 1>work of art. This is like great beauty. The science

780
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>it's self is art, you know, And so at any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you're breathing automatically without thinking, the prebots in

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<v Speaker 1>your complex is going to stimulate and inhale, and you're

783
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<v Speaker 1>going to inhale, and you're going to be pulling in

784
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.760
<v Speaker 1>oxygen and some nitrogen because the air is made of

785
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 1>nitrogen and a little bit of carbon dioxide. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a point right when you are needing

787
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<v Speaker 1>to exhale where there's a little phase that's called the

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<v Speaker 1>post inspiration phase. And so some people will experience that

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00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.599
<v Speaker 1>as a small pause, and it's a perfectly natural thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what happens is we begin to exhale and

791
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<v Speaker 1>the brain goes into more of a passive state. It's

792
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<v Speaker 1>not pushing, it's not wanting to push the air, push

793
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<v Speaker 1>your lungs out. It's wanting to just release the air

794
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<v Speaker 1>that's in your lungs and the air that has been

795
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 1>coming in has been filtered. If you've breathed through your

796
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<v Speaker 1>nose with those little sillia hairs in your nose that

797
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:27.800
<v Speaker 1>are you know, kind of removing viruses, toxins, things in

798
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the air that are not particles that would not be

799
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 1>good for you. But on the way out, the brain

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<v Speaker 1>is in more of a rest state in the exhale. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many other things we could talk about. We

802
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<v Speaker 1>could talk about the vagus nerve, we could talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the brain waves, we could talk about the heart rate variability.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the one thing that I will suggest to

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<v Speaker 1>yoga teachers is it is absolutely optimal if you have

806
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<v Speaker 1>your students do any kind of breathing exercises and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>yoga poses and asinas in any of that is to

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<v Speaker 1>have them end the session by breathing in a manner

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<v Speaker 1>where the amount of time that they're breathing in becomes

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent to the amount of time they're breathing out and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. That is the most regulating kind of breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>There is the body loves inhale and exhale to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the exact same amount of time. And many people

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<v Speaker 1>know about coherent breathing, sometimes called resonance breathing, which is

815
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 1>generally five to sixpress a minute, and it is very

816
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.719
<v Speaker 1>powerful and it works for most people. But there are

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<v Speaker 1>some people who need to breathe less than that for

818
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.519
<v Speaker 1>optimal regulation, and some that need to breathe more. So

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<v Speaker 1>I would want to encourage yoga teachers. There's a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>technique called Matrica promium Sha means mother of mothers. It's

821
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<v Speaker 1>the mother of all mothers, and there's a beautiful description

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<v Speaker 1>of it in chapter seven in the book, and it

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<v Speaker 1>teaches you how to teach people how to find their

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<v Speaker 1>own rate of inhale at next shale that is optimal

825
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:23.679
<v Speaker 1>for them, rather than to do it by it, even

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00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>though it's very powerful to do it with the bells

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<v Speaker 1>and the five point two breasts permitted or six breast

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<v Speaker 1>per minute. I think what's more optimal is to have

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<v Speaker 1>them find the rate of breathing that works for them

830
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>on that day and you can teach them that, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you can find that in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so lovely, and this whole conversation has been

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<v Speaker 2>so lovely, And as with all anytime I continue to

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<v Speaker 2>endeavor down learning more about yoga, it always seems that

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is, well, it depends, you know, it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on where you're starting from and where you'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>go and exactly how you go about getting to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that is a testament to a

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<v Speaker 2>true master, like somebody who really understands this is like,

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<v Speaker 2>there really isn't you know, one general or one size

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<v Speaker 2>fits all. I'd love that you you made it roomy enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that when we do make one size

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<v Speaker 1>fits all for anything, Mackenzie, I think we can actually

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<v Speaker 1>do harm to people because people can either be doing

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<v Speaker 1>something that actually isn't good for them, It isn't optimizing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they feel like they're comparing themselves to something that

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<v Speaker 1>says this is what they should be doing. So it

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<v Speaker 1>can be very disorienting, dysregulating, can even be shaming it

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I think we really need to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that each person is a bioindividual and yoga and breathing

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<v Speaker 1>and nutrition and all of it, optimally would be bio individualized.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. Well, thank you so much, Jessica

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<v Speaker 2>for hopping on the podcast, for being so generous and

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you shared in the book and here in

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<v Speaker 2>this chat. If listeners are loving what you're saying and

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<v Speaker 2>they're wanting to jump into the book the trainings, where

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<v Speaker 2>can they plug into you and your world, share a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about how they can get connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much so. If you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>connect with me personally or the training programs that I do,

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<v Speaker 1>you could go to our website which is www dot

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<v Speaker 1>Inspirationcommunity dot org, inspiration Community all one word, or you

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<v Speaker 1>can write to me at essence at Inspirationcommunity dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>The website for the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance is Breathworkalliance

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. There's another website that I'll briefly tell you about,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Universal Breathingdeclaration dot earth. And that declaration was

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<v Speaker 1>written in twenty twenty when those three waves of breathlessness happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just woke up in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>night and I was like, every person deserves to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to breathe fully and well and safely. How can

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<v Speaker 1>we bring about that world. And so there's a website

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<v Speaker 1>Universal Breathingdeclaration dot earth where you'll see a little video

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see the declaration. It's been signed by Jack Cornfield,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been signed by doctor Dan Siegel, been signed by

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<v Speaker 1>people from about twenty different countries already from around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and you would have the chance to commit to being

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<v Speaker 1>a person that would live those principles and practice conscious

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<v Speaker 1>breathing every day. And also McKenzie has a link if

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<v Speaker 1>any of you want to get the book that it's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent off and free shipping for her listeners. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so those are some different ways you can be in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, yes, and we'll include everything in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for sharing that with my community,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty percent off and the free shipping, and just

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. Thank you again, Jessica, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You Mackenzie, Thank you for caring so much about the

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<v Speaker 1>world that you devote yourself to this podcast. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to you as well for what you've written.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you, dear listener for also investing the time

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<v Speaker 1>and coming back each and every Wednesday for your daily

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<v Speaker 1>dose of master your yoga teaching. So until next week,

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<v Speaker 1>no mistay.

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<v Speaker 2>master your yoga teaching, no mistay. Bless