WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:26.440 We're Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. 2 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:28.719 Hello Kit, and welcome back to another edition of the Pso. 3 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:30.920 I am the Tea and your Tilo Tom Fitzgerald, and 4 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:32.759 I'm here with the Low and your Tila Lorenzo. Chause, 5 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:35.240 My love, housbu. How are you, darling. 6 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.359 I'm wonderful, counting to d's to travel. Oh. 7 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.600 Yes, we're going to Ireland and Scotland next month. 8 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:44.960 Very very excited about it. Can't wait. We've been to 9 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.840 Ireland before but never to Scotland. So and I hear 10 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.560 and see amazing things. 11 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:54.119 Yes, he is over planning this trip like you wouldn't believe. 12 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:56.920 But I'm jack bitch. You're gonna love me. 13 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:59.479 This bitch is gonna love you because I plan. 14 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.920 Yes'm I was actually watching it TikTok about. 15 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:05.560 This Hota shock. Lorenzo was watching a TikTok. 16 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.560 Anyway about this whole thing that there's always one who 17 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.680 plans everything and the other one just show up with 18 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:10.400 the pets for it. 19 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.519 Yeah, you're trip Daddy and I'm trip mommy. 20 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.159 But you know you take care of what the things 21 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:15.560 I do. 22 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.799 I'm trip mommy. I take care of picking the restaurants, 23 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:21.599 quartering the ubers, that sort of thing. 24 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.439 Anyway, we're very excited about it. If you live there, 25 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.040 I feel free to send an email with suggest it's 26 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:31.200 because I'm trying to get you know, some ideas for 27 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:32.560 restaurants and things like that. 28 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.599 We'll be in Donegal, Dublin and Edinburgh. Yes, all right, 29 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.000 So we have much to discuss today as pretty huge 30 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:44.680 with us the We're going to weigh in first on 31 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.719 the Pattygonia story, the story of the drag queen who 32 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.319 was being sued by the clothing brand Patagonia, because we've 33 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:54.959 been writing about the fashion and drag queens for so long, 34 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.480 how could we not weigh in on this one everywhere? 35 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.879 Now it is everywhere, and say I didn't. 36 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:01.400 Know who she was. 37 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:03.879 No, I didn't know who she was, So I don't 38 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:05.159 know every drag queen out. 39 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.359 There, So good job with the promotion there. 40 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.639 Well we'll get into that, sweetie, all right, And then 41 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:14.800 we're going to talk a little bit about some TikTok drama. 42 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.800 It's actually not TikTok. It's all over the place, but 43 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.919 TikTok of course feels these things regarding Tay and Travis's 44 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:21.759 wedding plans. 45 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:22.199 I know. 46 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.479 We'll get into that, and then we're back half of 47 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.439 the podcast. We're going to talk we'll do some more 48 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.919 TV talk. We're gonna talk a little bit about the 49 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.719 latest episode of Widow's Bay, which, oh my god, it's 50 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:36.159 so good, and also introduce you, if you haven't already 51 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:41.120 been introduced to the other Apple TV Plus series that 52 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:45.960 came out this month, Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed, starring Tatiana Muslani. 53 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.879 It's kind of up our alley in terms of her 54 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:54.560 and the subject matter and everything, but I'm not entirely 55 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:56.759 in love with it, and we'll talk about we'll bat 56 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.360 that around and that will the TV conversation will probably 57 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:04.159 have some spoilerific stuff. But if you haven't seen Maximum 58 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.240 Pleasure Guaranteed, we'll give you a warning and you can 59 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.360 tap out before because, let me tell you, it's full 60 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:16.000 of twists and turns. So let's start with Pattygonia. Yeah, 61 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.680 Patagonia is the name of a drag queen. It's Patty 62 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.719 p A T t I E. Gonia as in two 63 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:27.039 different names, but it's clearly a play on Patagonia, the 64 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.439 clothing company. Although she claims it was she was the region. 65 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:32.879 She was inspired by the region, And I'm like, this 66 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.759 name a drag queen who names herself after a region, 67 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:37.000 I mean, come on, which. 68 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.520 Is clearly not true because my understanding that she made 69 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.599 the statement that she was by the company. 70 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.919 Yeah, so let me just lay the groundwork. And well, 71 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:47.840 in case you don't know, so her name, her drag 72 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:54.240 name is Pattygonia, and the clothing company Patagonia has any 73 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:56.680 shape of the lawsuit against her because she filed a 74 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:00.479 trademark for the name, and she has been selling merchandise 75 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:06.000 in apparel using that name and has posted She claims 76 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.840 that she's not using this artwork to sell items, but 77 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.400 she has posted artwork where it's the Patagonia logo, which 78 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.000 is a very distinct logo the company, and they made yeah, 79 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.879 spells out her name. The company told him that it 80 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:23.519 looks like the same. They're fond everything, the little mountain ranges, 81 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.279 the color choices and that stuff. So this is interesting 82 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:32.040 because and she's not backing down. She's not backing down. 83 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.439 She claims they're silencing her, they're trying to take away 84 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:40.480 her identity. And I have to say, I mean, we 85 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.040 are huge fans of drag queens and the huge supporters 86 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.160 of the art of drag. But we have been writing 87 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.079 about drag queens for a very long time, very extensively, 88 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.560 and we have I won't get into it, but we 89 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:58.720 had some personal experience with drag queens. They look out 90 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:04.199 for themselves, and let me just say, you might not 91 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.759 want to enter into an agreement or a contract with 92 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:09.079 any of them because, and you know I'm being mean here, 93 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.160 that's not true. It's not like this class of people 94 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:16.680 is somehow. Let me put it this way, Drag is 95 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:21.360 an underground art form and it's still on some level 96 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.920 a punk art form that tends to tweak the nose 97 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:28.399 of the culture at large. It tends to pull from 98 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.680 the culture at large and then recast the culture at 99 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.079 large through a queer lens. That has been the art 100 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.839 of drag from the beginning. It's sort of you know, 101 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.480 when you get into questions of is drag making fun 102 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.079 of women? I always say to any woman who was 103 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.519 offended by drag, it is not my job or my 104 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:48.839 role to tell you not to be offended by it. 105 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:55.560 But I do think drag, for instance, in that instance, 106 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.519 it's not making fun of women. It's making fun of 107 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.079 modern femininity, fun of the tropes of femininity and what 108 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.160 is imposed on women and what women have to do 109 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.199 to navigate the world. But it is not making fun 110 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:12.199 of women themselves. That's my take on it. However, there's 111 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.519 always these lines. There's always these very blurred lines. So 112 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.199 on the one hand, I want to say, okay, Patty Gone, 113 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.839 as a drag queen, you have a right to parody things. 114 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.120 You have a right. It is the goal of drag 115 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.480 to pull from the main culture and remix it in 116 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:32.240 a way that's queer and different in comments on that culture. 117 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.519 So there's some part of me that thinks, Okay, she 118 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.439 kind of has a point, But there's a bigger part 119 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.160 of me that's like she's promoting the hell out of herself. 120 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.360 This is all you know, she got her name out there. 121 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.839 She's really you know, she's more famous now than she's 122 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:48.959 ever been because of this. 123 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.240 Laws seeing is that there are a ton of drag 124 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.879 queens out there with names like that. There's jans Ward, 125 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:55.279 there's a brit of Filter. 126 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.639 There's Trixy who used to be known as Trixie Mattel. 127 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.439 I remember that old movie The Drag Queen that one 128 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.319 of these dragons with Virginia Ham. You know, like that's 129 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.720 the kind of stuff. It's funny and clever. Uh and 130 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.120 you see who you know it's clever. I it makes 131 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.560 me laugh when I see names like that. But when 132 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.319 but you know, the issue is always money, when you 133 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:20.439 start making money and some Yeah, so then yeah, like 134 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.839 look at Tricksy for example. 135 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.480 You know which is the perfect counter to this, Yes, 136 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:26.319 go ahead. Uh. 137 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.120 She she has makeup, She has a bunch of stuff. 138 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:31.199 Trixy has a bunch of stuff. 139 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:32.680 She has all kinds of product lines. 140 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.600 She has that tricks but she only uses her first 141 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.680 name is Trixy Motel, tricks makeup. I believe you know. 142 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.480 She stopped using Mattel Mattel just. 143 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.319 To avoid any of that. Yeah, I mean, so she 144 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.240 still is Tricksy Mattel, but she doesn't sell as far 145 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.639 as I know, she doesn't sell any merchandise with the 146 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:52.360 name Mattel. I mean she she's not dumb. And she. 147 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.000 Altered her look away from being sort of a Barbie parody, 148 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.720 which was very early in her career. And then you 149 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.800 brought up Jan Sport, who named herself after again after 150 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.959 the clothing brand, and when she went on drag Race, 151 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.160 she shortened it to Jen because she knew that there 152 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.639 would be legal problems if she tried to. This is 153 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.560 the thing, Patty Gonya. If she was working the bars 154 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.240 or working the drag cert she could use that name 155 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:21.560 for the rest of her life and the brand wouldn't right. 156 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.360 But when you start trying to sell things, when you 157 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:30.720 bring your drag to a more merchandizable level, then you're 158 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.080 no longer the underground drag artist who's poking fun. You're 159 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.879 actually a company and a brand. 160 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.159 Right. You have to think of someone imagine a drag 161 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:44.240 queen going by a Mom Donna or Mam Donna. Yeah, 162 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.919 and then trying to trademark that. I mean, it's not 163 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:47.720 gonna work. Right. 164 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:50.720 I still think you can get away with names. You 165 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:51.960 can get away with names. 166 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.360 And my understanding is that Patagonne the brand was fine 167 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.240 unto a certain point. Is when they found out that 168 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.879 she was applying for a trademark with that name, that 169 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:07.320 they started, you know, contacting her, and you know, I 170 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.159 mean there's a ton of videos now, there's a ton 171 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.399 of articles now everywhere vanity for her in an article. 172 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:13.240 Everyone has their time. 173 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.679 I mean, yeah, they're all talking about congratulations to Patty Gania, right, 174 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:17.279 she did it. 175 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:20.600 The thing is that you can't say anything like TikTok 176 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:22.440 is going nuts every time. Every time you say anything, 177 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.279 they say, well, you're just defending corporations, big corporation blah 178 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.200 blah blah, you know, and she's just a small artists 179 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:29.039 blah blah blah. 180 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:29.440 You know. 181 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.080 True. But one of the points that Pedagonia the company 182 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.919 makes and makes sense is that they have to protect 183 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.240 their brand. If they say yes to Patty Gania, then 184 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.559 they have to say yes to a lot of other people. 185 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.200 Copyright law. That's it right there. Once you open that gate, yes, 186 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.799 then you can have your brand destroyed by outsiders. 187 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.159 Right. I mean a lawyer later on can come and say, 188 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.080 well you open you know you were okay with Patty Gania, 189 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.000 how come you're going after this person so. 190 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.159 You know, you're putting them as a corporation. And they 191 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.919 would have to put an awful lot of faith into 192 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.399 that single drag queen that she would not do something 193 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.960 to damage the brain. What if Patty Gunya decide she 194 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.519 wants to do only fans or something or something like that, 195 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.759 She's free to do those things. But Patagonia, as the 196 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.039 company is free to say I'm sorry, we cannot have 197 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.240 your you using our name, and we have no control 198 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:20.159 over what you're going to do. 199 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.720 I mean, I my understanding is very little when it 200 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:24.840 comes to stuff like that. But I mean, even I 201 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.759 was like, you can't get someone's name, someone. 202 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.279 And logo and try and sell things and make. 203 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:33.279 Money off of that. 204 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.720 I don't know her, obviously, I'm not familiar with her work, 205 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.759 so I don't know if she was just dumb and 206 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.679 naive about this or if this is really like she's 207 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.000 just being smart and working the system. Like I said, 208 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.559 knowing what I know about drag queens my personal experience 209 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:49.000 with them, I think she's working the system. She's I 210 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:50.039 don't think she's done. 211 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:53.840 Very kind of delusion in a way about the whole thing, 212 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.279 or just pushing it. Pushing it because on TikTok she's 213 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.399 making all these videos and then you have fans in 214 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.679 the fans, you know, I think she's fitting off of that, 215 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.519 the whole conversation out there about it. But and then 216 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.279 she claims or she claimed that, you know, Pedagony is 217 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:14.320 a region in South America that but she also allegedly 218 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.879 she also claimed at some point on one of her 219 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.840 videos that her inspiration was on, you know, the company, 220 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.200 the actual company. It was brand, not the region, So 221 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.759 you can't have it both ways anyway, It's complicated. I 222 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:32.960 feel bed for her because apparently she's a great activist, 223 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:34.399 you know, and all that, and I. 224 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:39.879 Agree, and I do. I don't know how how open 225 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.240 Patagonia the company is, but they are claiming to be 226 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.440 fairly open in what they are asking of her. Apparently 227 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:51.799 they're only sewing for one dollar. They are, however, putting 228 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.000 her on the hook for their legal bills, which could 229 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:59.000 be thousands of millions, and that's to get her back down. 230 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.320 That's the you know, that's the threat there. And I think, 231 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:08.039 you know, I don't. I hate like caping for corporations. 232 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.360 On the other hand, it is a fashion company, and 233 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.480 I do kind of feel a little bit of allegiance 234 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.519 to fashion companies that they should be allowed to remain, 235 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.399 you know, to protect their brands. So you know, it's 236 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:21.840 it's it's not as gray as I'm making it out 237 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.000 to be. It's a little gray because you want a 238 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.919 drag queen to be able to do her work, You 239 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:27.799 want a drag queen to be able to parody the 240 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.200 culture but and you don't want to be someone who's 241 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.919 caping for corporations. But I really kind of do see 242 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:40.799 Pattigungia's point here, and I maybe I'm being lied to 243 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.000 by them, but they are coming off as the more 244 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.840 reasonable one in this exchange. 245 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.879 It's complicated. I think about us. When we started our blog, 246 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.360 we wrote project run game, We're a project run gate. 247 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:53.919 They never came after us, but. 248 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:55.639 That is why we changed them. But they could. 249 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:59.559 They could have, especially if we start telling merchandise or 250 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:01.080 trade marked the name Prussia Run. 251 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.200 Back in the day, people asked us to they wanted 252 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:04.120 T shirts and stuff. 253 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.000 We did a couple of things, like little things like 254 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:08.879 a you know, silly things like a mug or whatever. 255 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:10.720 But yeah, for a very short period of time. But 256 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.000 Rovo never came after us, never asked us to change 257 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.240 the name or anything. But I'm sure if we trademarked 258 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.440 that name, prussick one games start selling. Well. 259 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.039 The funny thing is, several years later, ironically, and left 260 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.600 long after we had a bandoned the name, there was 261 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.799 a drag queen who started using it and I didn't 262 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.159 know that she's I came across it, and I think 263 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:33.960 it was like a Facebook post, and she had done 264 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.279 all this, like she had worked up logos and everything 265 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.200 that kind of looked like our old logo. And I 266 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:41.960 don't know what she was planning on doing with it, 267 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.519 but a whole bunch I remember her posting on her 268 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.440 socials and saying, I can't believe no one ever thought 269 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.840 of this. A bunch of people were like, uh no, 270 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:50.519 Tom and Lorenzo thought of that years ago. 271 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.480 I think I think you're pushing it like like a 272 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.759 drag queen, like brit of Filter for example. I mean, 273 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.799 you lucky that they didn't they haven't come after you, 274 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:58.919 because clearly, I mean they could. 275 00:13:59.120 --> 00:13:59.519 They could. 276 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:05.559 I mean, let's started kitchen whares under that name. She 277 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.960 would have a water having her own water exactly. This 278 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.080 is what I mean. Like, I think Patty Gonia the 279 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.000 drag queen is fine as long as she's not trying. 280 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.480 And if she has merch, just call it Patty merch 281 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.480 or something, you know, like Trixy did take the Gonia 282 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.879 off And no, I think she's milking this for all 283 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:26.440 the attentions she could get and then eventually she'll settle 284 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:26.799 with them. 285 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.000 We're talking about her and I didn't even know who 286 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:29.679 she was so. 287 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.399 Here you go exactly, so good job, Patty Gonia. But 288 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.399 I'm sorry, I'm gonna side I think with the Big 289 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.000 Spirit Corporation on this one. 290 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:41.679 It's a complicated issue. And I think when you decided 291 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.559 to take a name like that, you you're just looking 292 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:45.000 for it. 293 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:47.960 Like I said, I think she'd be fine if she 294 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.039 was just performing under that name. But if you're gonna 295 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.720 copyright it and if you're going to sell merchandise under it, 296 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.679 that's that's a big no. You're gonna have to go 297 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.159 with Patty or just like Trixie did, or Jan just 298 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:02.679 like Jan did. Like you can't, you know, there's clear 299 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:04.799 like precedent here. I don't know what. 300 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:08.600 The conversation is behind doors, but Paddagunna has been very 301 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:11.000 open to making several statements about it that they have 302 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:14.360 tried to make, you know, some sort of agreement with 303 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:17.960 Patty Gania, but she keeps saying no, no deal, no deal, 304 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:18.440 no deal. 305 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.960 She's going to lose the name, right, and then she's 306 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:25.080 going to have some big, splashy new name and everyone's 307 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.240 going to know who she is. So congratulations girl. All Right, 308 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:29.960 we're going to take a short break and then we're 309 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.559 gonna come back and talk about Tay and Travis. Where 310 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.360 back and now we're entering the world of celebrity gossip. 311 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.159 Yes, the biggest wed of a wedding of all times. 312 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.200 Yes, So Tay and Travis, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey 313 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:47.159 are getting married next month, and you know, they're keeping 314 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.320 everything under under wraps. And I really don't know how 315 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.240 much of this we're ever really going to see. 316 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:55.960 Well, apparently they're getting married when July fourth or something eighth, 317 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:57.799 I think it is. Oh, oh, they changed anyway, I 318 00:15:57.840 --> 00:15:58.159 don't know. 319 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:58.879 I could be wrong. 320 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:03.159 Anyway, in July some time. Anyway, there somewhere on the planet. 321 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.480 And there's drama on TikTok and on social media surrounding this, 322 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.080 and I'm going to let Lorenzo because I don't give 323 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.320 a shit about this. No, I'm joking, I actually do 324 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.440 have I think I think I don't follow this the 325 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:13.960 way you I. 326 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.639 Think it's honestly, I can't wait to be for that 327 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.240 wedding to be over, because that's what everybody talked about, 328 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:24.799 and it's just I think it's just they're making it, 329 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:25.200 you know. 330 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.759 To adity because I'm not on TikTok, and I'm like, 331 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.200 I was talking about this wedding, talking. 332 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:31.320 About every magazine. 333 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.480 Everybodody on TikTok is talking. 334 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.840 Everybody, every magazine. Everybody's talking about this wedding because it's 335 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:39.519 a secret, and nobody knows when's going to happen, where's 336 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.240 going to happen, you know, And of course it's tell 337 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.240 us if getting married, so of course everyone is talking 338 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.799 about it. But the issue that some magazines and some 339 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.320 people were talking about is that apparently you get invited 340 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.720 if you're lucky, one of the very few on the planet, 341 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:58.320 and then but you can't bring a guest with you. 342 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.440 No one's allowed to plus want it, yes. 343 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.320 So and people were annoyed with that, you know, complaining 344 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.519 about it, saying what am I gonna do? And am 345 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.480 I going to just be by myself? Blah blah blah. 346 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.759 I don't know, And then everyone was talking about weddings 347 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.400 in general like that, you know, would you go by 348 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.359 yourself if you if you could bring a person with you? 349 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:19.920 I don't know. I think it's fine. I mean I 350 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.640 posted one of the articles in the lounge post I 351 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.160 forget when, and a few people were making a point 352 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.440 that you know, I've been to several weddings by myself. 353 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.559 I don't see what the big do is, especially if 354 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.640 it's a very famous wedding like that. I'm sure you 355 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:34.799 know most of the people. 356 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.000 I've ever been to a wedding by myself. That seems 357 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.160 weird to me, but I I have it. 358 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:39.759 It was fine. 359 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.160 I mean, I don't think like it was went to 360 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.279 weddings as a family member where I didn't have a 361 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.319 date or a partner with me, but not like you know, 362 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.079 some friends. Well that's not true. Actually I did go 363 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:53.720 to friends weddings by myself. It's been so long since 364 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:54.359 I've been single. 365 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.119 I was I remember going to one of my friends. 366 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:58.319 I did go to a field. 367 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.839 She used to work with me and we work together, 368 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.559 and she invited me because we're very good friends. And 369 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:06.480 I went by myself and it was fine. 370 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.039 Yeah, I didn't see the I didn't see a problem. 371 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.400 I will say the reaction to this. First off, anybody 372 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.680 who's talking about this and relating it to some wedding, 373 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.640 you know, your cousin's wedding, whatever. I'm sorry, this is 374 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.599 like the biggest celebrity wedding right right, It's I don't 375 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:25.240 know it's up. There is Zendia and Tom Holland a 376 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.960 bigger celebrity wedding than this. I don't know. This is 377 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.799 something we can debate in the comic tell us it's 378 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:31.480 the bigger wedding. 379 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:32.960 It's the biggest wed of all time. 380 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.000 I don't know about that, but all right, let's say 381 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.319 it's the biggest wedding, celebrity wedding of the year. There's 382 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:41.200 clearly a lot of interest. They are clearly trying to 383 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.839 keep a lid on it, and I think that's understandable. 384 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.559 And anybody who's like, well, I you know, I wouldn't 385 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:48.160 go to a wedding lite. Oh shut up, you would 386 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.319 go to Taylor Swift's wedding alone if you got invited 387 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:50.960 to come. 388 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:53.359 I think she can invite. I mean, she can say 389 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.279 just come alone. I mean I have I have more 390 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:56.880 problem with her inviting Carly Clauds. 391 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.720 But that's a whole apparently she got invited, and you know, 392 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.599 I have a problem with that, Like she's married to 393 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.240 a Kushner. Hello, I know, yeah, I mean I'm not 394 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:06.720 defending it. 395 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.680 I just well, my point is that, yeah, things have changed. 396 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:12.559 I don't know, is she bringing a Cushner. I guess 397 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:12.880 she is. 398 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:15.160 Of course, it's anyway, I just married. I have more 399 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.480 problem with that, with that kind of association. 400 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.240 I think this brings up a lot of feelings in 401 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.920 people about being a single person at a wedding, which uh, 402 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.279 you know, can can be you know, I don't want 403 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:32.920 to say unpleasant, but I guess for some people it's 404 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.519 you know, it's embarrassing in some way or awkward in 405 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:37.920 some way. 406 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.519 I think I think, here's here's my thing. You get 407 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.559 a day. I always say that you can do whatever 408 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.480 you want, you can request whatever you want, demand what everyone. 409 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.200 You get a day of my life. So it's fine, 410 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.200 especially if you till A Swift and Travis Kelsey, and 411 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:54.480 of course I think you have all the right to 412 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.400 do whatever you want. And if you just want one 413 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.519 person there not someone with the camera, you know, or 414 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.400 a phone. I remember I was on TikTok again, TikTok 415 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.799 and ariana granny was having friends over and she invited 416 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:14.839 her brother and so anyway, they were watching TV, having 417 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.359 dinner or whatever. Her brother brought up, and her brother 418 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.279 brought a friend that they didn't know who the person was. 419 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.200 And the guy, I'm surprised she agreed to that. 420 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.480 I guess it was a big crowd and she wasn't 421 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.519 paying attention anyway, the guy recorded her and took pictures 422 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.240 of her watching TV, you know, very candid shots of her, 423 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.519 and then went on TikTok and talked about it and 424 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.759 posted those for everybody to see. And of course she 425 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.000 was mad and talked to her brother, and I think 426 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.440 they took it down. The guy took everything down. But 427 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.359 the guy. You should have seen the videos that the 428 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.119 guy created about that delusional. 429 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:50.599 I mean, like couldn't even understand what was wrong with 430 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.960 the picture here, And I'm like, what, it's such a violation. 431 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.240 I know, I talk when I see people taking pictures 432 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.759 of celebrities on the subway in New York, right, don't 433 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.000 do that? Well, I mean, I think that's worse because 434 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:05.480 they are literally trapped, they cannot get away, and you're 435 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:07.160 taking their picture. That's awful. 436 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.519 Well, the whole thing with cameras now everywhere, at the gym, everywhere, 437 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.079 and then and you know their legal their laws now 438 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:17.039 that you know they can you know, filming you or 439 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.440 whatever on the street, which it's which to me is 440 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.000 so it's such a violation I mean, what if you say, 441 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.640 I don't want to be in your freaking video you know, 442 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.000 you know, your TikTok account or YouTube account. It's complicated. 443 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:32.920 I actually don't think it is. I think they have 444 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.759 the right as the uh as the people who are 445 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:39.960 getting married, to establish what kind of wedding. I mean, 446 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:41.720 it's sort of it's like when people get really mad 447 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.920 at wedding invitations. That's it's, you know, where you can't 448 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.799 bring your kids. You know, people have that right, and 449 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.440 if you are offended by that, you have the right disciple. 450 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.240 Fucking I'm not coming to your wedding, right exactly. I 451 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:58.480 just people get all weird about being wedding guests and 452 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.079 what should be you know, out and not allowed and 453 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:05.039 that sort of thing. But I do think when it 454 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.480 comes to a wedding, like there is no comparison to 455 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.200 this wedding right rightly, you can look at certain other weddings, 456 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.079 celebrity weddings, but it's not going to be your cousin's 457 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:17.279 wedding or your coworker's wedding. And my point is, regardless, 458 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.720 there's this whole question of people showing up and taking 459 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:25.400 pictures unwanted, and that's that's a concern in any wedding. 460 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.359 I think we've been to a lot of weddings recently 461 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:29.079 where they issue not to take your phones. 462 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:30.599 Out at all, right, not take pictures at all. 463 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.240 But with Taylor and Travis, there's the extra added thing 464 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.160 is they're going to start putting those pictures would be 465 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.920 worth a ton of money if people start, would be 466 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.559 making money off of those pictures. 467 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.319 Right, if people started posting pictures immediately, you know, like 468 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.960 like people do on social media, but that. 469 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.720 They would go directly to People magazine and sell them. 470 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.200 That's my point, not that they would post these things 471 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.839 on social media, that they would sell them and make 472 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:01.400 money off of them. And because Taylor and Travis, those 473 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:06.720 pictures could go for six figures, She's completely in the right. 474 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:11.079 It's not just a privacy thing. It's about not allowing 475 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:12.880 people to make money off of your wedding. If you 476 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:13.559 don't want that. 477 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.480 I agree. I mean, it's it's a control thing, which 478 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:20.640 is which clearly her right. They're right, it's their wedding. 479 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.880 Yeah, at the end of the day, it's their wedding. 480 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.519 Do you think there will be pictures? I can't imagine 481 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.240 that there aren't. God, but I don't think she's going 482 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:34.000 to be like selling the rights to Vanity faircal Magazine. Yeah, 483 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:35.839 I don't see her doing that. So I guess there 484 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:39.000 will be pictures that she will control on her socials. 485 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.839 Probably because she doesn't need the money. I don't know. 486 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.519 There was a whole issue with his father not knowing 487 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.039 anything about the wedding because apparently he can't keep his 488 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:49.240 mouth shut. So that was the problem with that too. 489 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.680 I don't think he you know, his mom's great, but 490 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.759 I don't think he comes from a family of thinkers. 491 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.200 So but his mom's great. I'm not putting her down. 492 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:01.440 Yeah, she's actually apparently the father was hurt because they 493 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:05.400 were avoiding telling the father anything about the Oh my god, 494 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:10.119 yes again, I can't understand. It's Taylor Swift. 495 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:13.880 Wedding, my scholar Swift's wedding, and yeah, let's I mean, 496 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.160 she's only going to do this once. I think. I 497 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.640 don't really think this is a girl that's gonna walk 498 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:20.720 down the aisle a bunch of times. Not that I mean, 499 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.440 I'm not predicting this, but I just don't think she's 500 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:24.599 going to have a string of husbands. 501 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.839 Yeah, I don't know, So who knows. 502 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.240 We'll see, But here's my take on that. We might 503 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:38.160 as well go here. Tay is clearly a romance minded girly, 504 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.920 always has been, but she has not always been a 505 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.519 marriage minded girly in terms of her esthetic, in terms 506 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.440 of her art. It has not been about finding that 507 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.440 guy to walk down the aisle. And she is in 508 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.279 her mid thirties. She's like thirty three or thirty four now, 509 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:56.960 which is a little on the mature side for her 510 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:01.400 first wedding, and that indicates and she's dated a lot. No, granted, 511 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:04.000 she probably has dated a lot of the wrong guys. 512 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.960 I am sure the opportunity to marry has presented itself 513 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:13.279 to Taylor Swift three or four times and she didn't go, 514 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:17.319 and she didn't. That's my take. We've talked about this 515 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.640 because you think this is all for show, and I'm like, oh, no, 516 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.680 she's got it really bad for that guy. She's got 517 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.200 it really bad for that guy. 518 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:28.160 I think, Oh God should I yes, yes, he should. 519 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.000 Taylor Swift, to me is just a very. 520 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.079 All right temper yourself. Yes, I think, to use your. 521 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:40.599 Word, she's very talented to a certain a certain to 522 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.559 a certain extand but I think she's she's kind of 523 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.279 a basic girl. She's a basic girl. 524 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:45.920 That's fine. 525 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.200 Yeah, that's true. She's a basic girl. That's how I 526 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.119 see her, you know, with very basic ideas of future. 527 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:54.240 And I think I disagree. 528 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.839 I think she's she wants to get married and she 529 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.519 I think the whole thing of Mary, I don't know 530 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.079 a football player America, the whole thing. I think. I 531 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:04.279 think that's the mindset there. 532 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:06.880 I don't think that was fine. 533 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.319 I don't know she was. 534 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.400 Dating like Tom Hitdleston for I don't know. 535 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.039 Every time I see that red lipstick, I was like, oh, 536 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:19.000 that is basic anyway, just a basic girr in my opinion, 537 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:21.880 nothing wrong with that. Very talented, you know, singer to 538 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:27.359 a certain extent. But anyway, I'm just myself. 539 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.279 I'm watching, I'm just watching. 540 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.000 Anyway. I think she'll be fine with him, and uh, 541 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.920 you know, who knows. 542 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.359 I'm not here to predict. I mean, I don't I 543 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.440 don't know their marriage or their relations or any of that. 544 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.079 They seem happy. I think he's not very bright, but 545 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.680 they're happy together. They look happy. Maybe who knows, After 546 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.480 you get married, things change and we'll have another record, 547 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.960 another album with her anyway. 548 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.160 I could be wrong here what I find I could 549 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:04.400 be wrong here, but I think I don't want to 550 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.759 reduce her down to anything. But given her history and everything, 551 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.720 I think it's likely, and also given the nature of 552 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.759 their relationship, which is very, very conventional and borderline conservative, 553 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:19.559 I think she's going to have a baby fairly quickly. 554 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.480 Oh and then I think she's going to do the 555 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:25.400 Madonna thing where she's going to do an entire album 556 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.559 about motherhood, and that will be very good for her. 557 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.880 It'll be very good for her fandom, which is aging 558 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.000 along with her and becoming mothers along with her. So 559 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.119 that's my prediction for her going forward. I just want 560 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.480 to add again, I don't think this is some big 561 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.680 plan on her part. I think she dated a lot 562 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.559 of guys because she's a girl who likes to be 563 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.000 in love. But I also think she rejected a lot 564 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.960 of guys because she's a smart enough girl to know 565 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.519 that she does not want to be married to just anybody. 566 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.640 I think what's happening to Taylor Swift, it's what happens 567 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.240 to everybody. At a certain point, you realize that, all right, 568 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.119 I'm done doing certain things and I want to get 569 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:03.359 married now, which is fine. 570 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.519 That's true of most people, especially when. 571 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.200 They not just women. I'm not saying just women, men 572 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.920 and women. They get to a certain point that like, 573 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.400 all right, I've achieved a lot, I've done a lot 574 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.119 my personal life, and I think that's where she is, 575 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.640 and I think they'll be fine there. They'll be happy 576 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:20.200 for I don't know. 577 00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.640 For hers crazy about her. 578 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.039 I think he's he's I think he's enamored with a 579 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.559 lot of things. And we'll see how it goes. Uh, 580 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.920 and you know, she's happy. It will be interesting to 581 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:35.799 see what she's going to do in terms of her 582 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:36.960 career because you. 583 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:38.880 Know, like I said, it'll be a baby album. 584 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.079 Because she has a lot of very very young fans. 585 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:43.839 I know, but she also has a lot of fans 586 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:45.920 that are in her age group. And I know for 587 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.319 a fact she's got a lot of like Gen X fans. 588 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.599 Right, So it'll be interesting what the next you know, 589 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:55.880 move career will be a new album, Let's see. I'm 590 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:57.799 curious anyway, but that's it. 591 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.279 I would be shocked, if I say it. I would 592 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.200 be shocked if she wasn't pregnant within a year, right, 593 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.000 because it's that kind of relationship. You can see it. 594 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.720 You can look. I've seen a lot of friends and 595 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.559 family members get married and then have their babies, and 596 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.839 you can just see when they're in that mode. It's like, oh, yes, 597 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.559 they are ready to have a baby with this person. 598 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:21.880 This girl worked her entire life. 599 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.720 Honestly, she deserves her. Yeah, everyone thinks we're such bitches 600 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.160 to her, But I really don't have a you know, no, 601 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:29.799 I don't wish her ill at all. 602 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.480 No, I that's not my issue. My shoe with something 603 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.000 else you or she was that she's basic. My issue 604 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.079 is that she's overrated. 605 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.319 Uh and the same thing. Yeah, and that to me, 606 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:41.559 she's basic. 607 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:46.480 Yeah, but that's just my opinion, which clearly millions of 608 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:47.480 people disagree with. 609 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.640 As I've always said, she is not making music for us, 610 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.359 and I am not afriended, are bothered by that. Let 611 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.279 the people who for whom she's making that music enjoy 612 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:01.279 that music. But it's it's not me that's that I 613 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.079 think we crashed her. I think we've been very fair 614 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.240 to her. You're a little meaner about her than I am. 615 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.440 I can't wait see the dress. Well, I'm sure it'll 616 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.920 be a lot of a lot of Lates, you. 617 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.240 Think, yes, you don't think she'll be a sexy bride. 618 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.160 No, And lace is very in rate now for weddings, 619 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.680 So I don't know. I see, Lates, I see. 620 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.359 I think it'll be fairly traditional, yeah, but I don't 621 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.359 think she's gonna have like a royal wedding type. I 622 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.279 don't think it'll be a demure gown. Let me put 623 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.119 a to you that way. I think, who do you 624 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.319 think is designing her gown? 625 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.720 I don't know. I mean things have changed. Uh yeah, 626 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:44.119 nobody talks about your weighing, or. 627 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.279 She'll pick someone hotter, like Scaparelli or something like that. 628 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.480 Upa just just just got married, you know, and she 629 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.559 went and more Caparelli suit. Yeah. 630 00:30:54.000 --> 00:31:01.039 And that's the other thing. I I can't make predictions here, 631 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.599 but I have a hard time picturing her walking down 632 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.880 an aisle in like a conventional gown with a train, 633 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.640 like I don't know. Like when I saw Julilip in 634 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:10.720 that suit, I was like, you. 635 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.079 Know, yeah, but that's dually, but there are two different people. 636 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:16.079 I know, she's much more stylish than tailor more interesting. 637 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.200 Boyfriend's hotter. Oh god, can we not talk about it? 638 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.480 You're so weird about him because he's gorgeous and he's 639 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.839 going to be the next game. I know, he's just 640 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:27.359 so cute. 641 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.480 We need to wrap this up and go Taylor's. 642 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:31.880 It's going to be late long trade the hold you. 643 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:33.720 I see. I have a hard time picturing that. I 644 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.799 think it's going to be more modern sleep Gucci, Sint Laurent, 645 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:38.640 something like that. 646 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.240 I hope he's not wearing some goofy ass suit as 647 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.839 he always does. But anyway, no, she'll whip him into shape. 648 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:47.880 I mean they will look chic on their wedding. I'm 649 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.960 sure maybe she's were she now who knows? 650 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.480 Who knows? You will find out in a month. I 651 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.599 guess when she posted on her socials. All right, let's 652 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.319 take a short break and we'll come back and talk 653 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:02.440 about TV stuff. We'll be right back. We're back and 654 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.079 we're going to do a little bit of TV talk 655 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.359 right now. If you are not caught up on the 656 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.759 latest Widows Bay, I would suggest you jump ahead about 657 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.079 five minutes checking the clock right now. So I will 658 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:13.119 hold ourselves to that. 659 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.440 Our post, our last post podcast was about this was. 660 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.039 About it, and we urge you all to watch it. 661 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.160 And we weren't entirely planning on doing like recaps every 662 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:21.839 week but not. 663 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.240 But he's just at the last. The latest Yeah, the 664 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.319 latest episode was so freaking funny. 665 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.440 So yeah, jump ahead a few minutes because I just 666 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.599 want to talk about this episode before we jump into 667 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:38.240 Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed, which we will keep in a spoiler 668 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.920 free mode until we warn you that we are wrapping 669 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:46.480 things up and spoiling things. So Widow's Bay was another 670 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:54.160 Patty centered episode or Patricia centered episode, and Katie Flynn 671 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.039 is the MVP of this show because the two best 672 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.680 episodes of the series so far have been the episodes 673 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.599 that have focused and almost entirely on her. What I 674 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.200 loved about this episode, and we've watched it like three times, yes, 675 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:16.000 is that it is she is so damn funny in 676 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:21.920 these scenes when she's running away from basically Jason. But 677 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:26.000 the scenes themselves were legitimately scary. The scenes in her 678 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:29.759 house when she turned off all the lights, I was like, 679 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.680 this is good horror directing. This is legitimately scary. And 680 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.799 the art direction on that staircase in her house was 681 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.200 completely insane. It was all off kilter. The paintings were 682 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.279 hung at weird angles, the light was placed in a 683 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.160 weird space, and you know, obviously all that's deliberate, and 684 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.519 I loved that. I loved that off kilter sense. But 685 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:51.440 the other thing, and this is a minor thing, but 686 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.759 I do love seeing this because I notice it when 687 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.680 TV shows violate this. When you're in a small community, 688 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.160 like and you have seen set in various houses. Uh huh, 689 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.079 it's a really nice thing when all of those houses 690 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.639 on the inside look like they all belong in the 691 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.320 same Like the layouts are roughly, the kitchens to the left, 692 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.079 the dining, you know whatever. And I noticed that about 693 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.599 Katie's house, about Patricia's house, Katie o Flynn is the actress, 694 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.159 And then when she ran to the book club, I 695 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:23.760 was like, this feels like a house that's in the 696 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.079 same community, right right. And sometimes people don't do that. 697 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.760 Art direct production designers don't do that. They like to 698 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:33.079 get all kinds of goofy and weird with stuff, and 699 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.840 then every house looks so wildly different. But you know, 700 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.280 in your neighborhood, if you go into your neighbor's house, 701 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.920 or even if you go into a house in your 702 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.559 same town, if you're in a smaller town, the general 703 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.599 esthetic is going to be similar, And I do love that. 704 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.440 What I love about the show he is dead and 705 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.559 I'm you know, and I hate horror or anything like that, 706 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.880 but it is so clever and fun. 707 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.840 It's clever as hell. 708 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.280 It's clever as hell. It reminds me of you know, 709 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.639 weapons to movie weapons, would you know? And Gladys and 710 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:05.039 you know the whole thing. 711 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:06.239 About z Thatch Craiger movie. 712 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.320 Yeah, that's how they make it funny but kind of 713 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.000 real in a way. Yeah, like things well. 714 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.400 Observed, like when she got to the gas station, Yes, 715 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.880 I need twenty on three, Like that whole scene is 716 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.280 so funny, and she forgot to charge Jesus yeah, forgetting 717 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.360 to charge the taser. And just the fact that it 718 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.239 was absurd that she was running through this entire community 719 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.920 relentlessly for a half hour and nobody was coming to 720 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.079 her aide, and this guy never ever did more than 721 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.199 walk slowly, and yet he constantly caught up with her. 722 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.079 It was parodying all that stuff in a very very 723 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:43.719 subtle way. 724 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.039 Yes, I love that. I think that's so clever. Yeah, 725 00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.880 when she gets to the house with the bitchy friend. 726 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.760 And oh my god, I saw that tasing coming from 727 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:53.800 a mile away. 728 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.599 So stuff like that is just funny, funny, funny, and 729 00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.360 then I want. 730 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.920 To uh as so it's all God, the writing on 731 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:06.159 this is so good. When Wick goes to see Jerry, 732 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.239 his high school crush, at the Society, at the Historic 733 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.159 Society because he wants to tell her that story about 734 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.320 her brother and about how he's been holding a torch 735 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.360 for her blah blah blah, and her husband walks in, 736 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.079 and then the scene instantly he'd already handed her the 737 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.000 picture inside we need to talk and I've been carrying 738 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.360 this around in my wallet for you know, sixty years 739 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.599 old happens and then yeah, I don't know if you 740 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.000 caught the line, because I was like, oh my god, 741 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.320 that's really funny writing. The husband shows up, and then 742 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.039 Wick realizes he needs to get out of there and 743 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.679 he can't say what he came there to say, so 744 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.119 he goes, wow, I got a lot of photographs to 745 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:46.239 hand out today, so I better get And that was 746 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.480 just a hilarious way to end that very poignant somewhat 747 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:50.239 said see. 748 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.519 And the fact that he couldn't finish the story, Yeah, 749 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.639 it feels so real. It feels like what when when 750 00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.480 things happen in real life. 751 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.360 You know. And then I one thing that I forgot 752 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.039 to mention last week, my theory, and I actually thought 753 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.239 it was going to come out this week, but they're 754 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.719 holding off on this. So at the end of last 755 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:15.320 week's episode, the camera zoomed in on the painting in 756 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:22.760 the hotel of that of the founder's family, his children 757 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.320 trying to escape the island, and one child is in 758 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.199 the water, swimming away from the boat. And I mean, 759 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.119 there's there has to be a reason why they zoomed 760 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.440 in on that after they killed the founder of the island, right, 761 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.719 And that is it's suggesting that his line did not end, 762 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:43.920 that other people on the island are of his bloodline. 763 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.559 They would not put something like that in there unless 764 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.440 the person is a character that we know, right, They're 765 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.880 not going to just pull some character in from from 766 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.639 the left and say, Okay, here's his descendant. No, it's 767 00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.400 going to be someone we know. And I mean, I'm 768 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.360 gonna just it's his son. 769 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:01.400 You think it's your son. 770 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:03.679 How could it not be his son? His son is 771 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.920 of the line of people, his mother was of the 772 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.039 line of people. Well, and that's not true. His mother 773 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.559 was born on the Island. That's all we know. It 774 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.760 suggests that she's an old timer, could be that she's 775 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:19.360 from an old family. And yeah, I just think he's 776 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.920 going to find out that Tom is going to find 777 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.199 out that in order to lift the lurse, lift the 778 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.639 curse on the island, his son needs to be killed. 779 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.960 And obviously you know they're not going to do that, 780 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.800 but it'll be that'll be the conflict going forward. And 781 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.480 that is all I have to say about Widow's Bay, 782 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.559 except you know, if you're still listening to me and 783 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.920 haven't watched it yet, I really urge you to watch it. 784 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.239 It's funny, it's smart, it's an incredibly talented cast, it's subtle, 785 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.719 and Katie O. Flynnman just MVP And that scene of 786 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:56.280 her with the shotgun outside the UH gas station, I 787 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.960 was like, she just became a horror icon in thirty minutes. 788 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.840 She is just an iconic lesson hilarious or. 789 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:05.840 Wrong. 790 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.880 So just yeah, just a great episode. Anything else on 791 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:12.679 this ship, that's it. 792 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.440 I'm really enjoying it. 793 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.679 Yeah, let me know if you agree with my theory 794 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.880 that Tom's kid is probably is of the bloodline of 795 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:27.480 the Founding family. All right, maximum pleasure. Guaranteed. I have 796 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.960 to say I kind of came to this begrudgingly. But 797 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.119 first off, I hate the title. I think that is 798 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:38.079 just an awful title for I just do. I don't 799 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.920 think it suggests what show you're about to watch at all. 800 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.800 But so the title kind of I was like, yeah, whatever, 801 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.480 And the only reason I came to it was for 802 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:55.960 her Tatianamo's life. Who hasn't always made the best career 803 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:58.800 choices in terms of the stuff that she picks, but 804 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.519 she has never turned in a performance that wasn't eminently watchable. 805 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.800 You know, you know, that's what she's doing. She might 806 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.559 not be the you know, the great movie or TV 807 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.480 show or whatever, but she always does. 808 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.920 She elevates the material, always, always, always. 809 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:14.760 And the same here. 810 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.840 I will say that, yes, I don't want to take 811 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.239 anything away from her. There's nothing particularly wrong with this material. 812 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.159 Let me just do a non spoiler setup of what 813 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.639 the storyline is without getting into any of the twists 814 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.960 and turns. Pardon me. She is a divorced single mother 815 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.840 who is having serious custody issues with her ex husband. 816 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.800 She's got kind of a I don't know that that's 817 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.239 a dead end job. It's just that she doesn't seem 818 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.280 particularly Yeah, she doesn't love focused on her job at 819 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.079 the moment because there's all this drama going on in 820 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.320 her life. She's a fact checker at a magazine, which 821 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.079 I mean, do they even have them anymore? But fine, 822 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.039 she's a fact checker at a magazine and they live 823 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.920 in I don't even know, Pacific northwest northwest somewhere I think, 824 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.519 I forget. She did used to live in Portland, but 825 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:08.119 I don't think that's where they live anymore. So, messy divorce, 826 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.280 messy custody, kind of a dead end, not really into 827 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:17.559 her job, and she uh has a friendly sort of 828 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.880 relationship with a canboy, meaning a guy who does well. 829 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:26.760 She's being him camera ship. Yeah let me Yeah, Yeah, 830 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:29.400 she's a client. She's a client of a canboy where 831 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.480 she gets on you know, a camera with him and. 832 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.199 She got a little too personal, but but she was 833 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:37.000 still hiring him. 834 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:41.079 She they show a few scenes with him, and he's 835 00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.480 played by Brandon Flann who was adorable. Uh, And they 836 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:49.039 have a sort of friendly talkie jokey relationship that ends, 837 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.639 you know, each session ends with them masturbating. But it's 838 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.960 not an entirely sexual relationship. And I did think to 839 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.599 the show's credit, because you know, things go south, let's 840 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.800 just say, to the show's credit, she's never judged. I 841 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.760 don't feel that the show ever judges her for doing this, 842 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.679 and it also, I think shows her to have a 843 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.079 fairly healthy mindset about what she's doing. 844 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:16.679 This is right. 845 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.440 She's friendly with this kid who's a lot younger than her. 846 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.360 She gets off with him, but she's you know, and 847 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.760 she's the Only thing I'll say is that in the 848 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.719 first episode they show her going into the bathroom stall 849 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.400 at work and facetiming him with her headphones on, and 850 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.599 I'm like, well, that's a little obsessive and irresponsible. So 851 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.079 I mean, I guess they're having it both ways where 852 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.599 they're they're not suggesting that there's anything wrong with her 853 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.880 for doing this, but they are suggesting that she's probably 854 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.639 in a little too deep and using it to avoid 855 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.920 the emotional stuff in her Do you agree. 856 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.559 Yes, which that's what a lot of people do. 857 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:52.960 That's what a lot of people do, so again, kind 858 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.119 of a healthy attitude, but doing it in work, what's 859 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.960 realistic is a realistic attitude. I think I agree, because 860 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.559 you know, she's uh it. 861 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.480 They make they they make sure you understand what's going on, 862 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:06.480 because he says something like I forget, but he says, well, 863 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.280 we still have a few minutes. So clearly she's paying 864 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.119 for it. Right, they're not friends, they're not in love. No, 865 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.599 she's not stupid. It's just that it gets to a 866 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.239 point like that to a lot of people. They keep 867 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.159 hiring the same person and. 868 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.239 They generate a relationship, whether it's yeah, which is honest, which. 869 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.920 Is fake in a way obviously because the person wants 870 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.440 the money and you need the attention, so it goes 871 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.079 beyond sex. Let's put it this way. I agree, And 872 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.280 you know, more power to you if you have the 873 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.159 money to wait, to wait for a friend. Yeah, but 874 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.679 it's it's it's clear that that you know she's she 875 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.559 hired him. Yeah, she's paying for him. 876 00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.559 And this is the setup in the first five or 877 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.519 ten minutes. So we haven't spoiled anything, and I'm not 878 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.960 going to spoil anything yet. I want to get into 879 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:51.079 Tatiana herself. 880 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:52.159 Mm hmmm. 881 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:56.000 One of the things she's really really good at is 882 00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.360 playing women who are weighing over her head. Yes, she 883 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.639 her what the fuck is going on? 884 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:02.400 Yeah? 885 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.519 That is she? That is her her sweet spot when 886 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.400 it comes to acting, and she's in it through this 887 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.119 whole thing. Jay Johnson plays the ex husband, and I 888 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.679 do think that's interesting casting. They actually look like a 889 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.280 couple who would have been married to Yeah, there they do. 890 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.440 But he's actually playing kind of an asshole. He doesn't 891 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.639 normally play such big assholes. But he's good, He's very good. Well, 892 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.599 that's the other thing is that the writing is intelligent 893 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.840 because he is kind of the asshole x husband but 894 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.440 at the same time, and there is a lot of 895 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:36.280 new ones there, right, and he has legitimate concerns about 896 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:38.360 allowing her to have custody. 897 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.920 And we still don't know what really happened there. There's 898 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.039 stuff coming about Portland and you know, so we really 899 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.559 don't know if he's right to, you know, be kind 900 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.920 of an asshole to her. You know, we don't know yet. Yeah, 901 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.239 maybe she did something that we we still don't know. 902 00:44:54.440 --> 00:45:00.320 So now I want to get into my critique here, because, 903 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.280 like I said, I came to this somewhat slowly. I 904 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.679 didn't think the setup sounded all that interesting to me, 905 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.760 and I didn't think that and I was really turned 906 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.880 off by the title. But I sat through the first episode, 907 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.400 and I was like, I don't know. But I said 908 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.000 to Lorenzo, I was like, why didn't you watch the 909 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.639 first episode? Because this is the kind of show you 910 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.880 love where people get in over their heads and there's 911 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.800 a million twists and turns and the story just gets 912 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:28.719 crazier and crazy and crazier. So I told Lorenzo, watch 913 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.199 the first episode if you're into it, h we'll watch 914 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.480 the second and third and we'll do a podcast on it. 915 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:38.840 So I watched the second and third and I'm in it. 916 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.360 I'm probably going to finish this season. But my oh, 917 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.679 there's cats all over this table right now. 918 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:45.760 Oh my god. 919 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.440 They're moving on our laptops and everything. If they start fighting, 920 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:56.400 oh god. So there was that. Ironically, Matthew Rees, who 921 00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.840 was also starring in Widow's Bay, there is that series 922 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.239 that he did earlier this year with Claire Danes called 923 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.480 The Beast in Me that was on Netflix. Is that 924 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:04.000 what it was called? 925 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:05.360 I think so yeah, where. 926 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.400 Maybe he killed his ex wife and she's a celebrated 927 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.159 lesbian author. And it was one of those deals where 928 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:16.639 in the first half hour I was like, Nope, I'm 929 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.159 checked out because I know exactly where this is going, 930 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.599 meaning I didn't know exactly how that series was going 931 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.679 to wind up, but you watched it, and I came 932 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.599 back to you later and I said, let me guess, 933 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.199 and I guessed all these things, all the twists and turns. 934 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.360 She blows up her life, she becomes obsessed with him. 935 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.360 And that's how I felt watching the first episode of 936 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.239 this show, where I was like, I feel like I 937 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.960 know exactly where it's going. I may not know every 938 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.119 twist and turn, and in fact, there were a few 939 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.519 in the subsequent episodes that I did not see coming. 940 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.119 But it's literally about the twists and turns and shows 941 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:57.440 like that. I just feel there a dime a dozen nowadays, 942 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.440 I just feel like, oh, a normal person and got 943 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.320 in over her head and twists and turns and secrets, 944 00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:04.840 and I bet you didn't know that, and everything you 945 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.719 know is wrong and she's becoming obsessed and she's ruining 946 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.519 her life. And I'm like, yeah, I have seen this 947 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:15.199 streaming series a thousand times before. What are your thoughts 948 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.719 in regard to that? I don't I hear you rolling 949 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.079 your eyes. I can feel it. 950 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:24.480 Well. You have a tendency to figure things out more 951 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.559 than I do, and you know you better. You'd better, yeah, 952 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.880 because you're clever, because I'm clearly the smart one and 953 00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.639 you're the pretty one. Yes, you're the more intelligent one. 954 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.840 To hear. Now, you went to film school, You get 955 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.079 all these things. You get to see things in a 956 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:42.039 way that right, you know. 957 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.199 Yeah, I tend to look at the writing of a show. 958 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.960 Yes, yes, I I'm enjoying it. 959 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.159 So I am enjoying. 960 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.199 I do like the subject matter, the whole only fan thing. 961 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.679 I love that. I think that's great that it's coming 962 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.360 to stories now on TV shows, because that's the reality now. 963 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.519 Everyone has a a fan. 964 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.320 A camp in and say, I think it's interesting that 965 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.559 this is coming out at the same time that Margot's 966 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.079 got money troubles us out and that is about a 967 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:11.119 girl who winds up opening an only Fans account she 968 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.000 needs money, and I think we're going to look back 969 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.679 at this time. But there's a ton of these sorts 970 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.440 of stories about people turning to you know, pornography or whatever, 971 00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.480 or sex work, and I think it's very indicative of 972 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:25.119 the times that we live in in a way that's 973 00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:29.199 a little dark. But yeah, but it's not. It's I 974 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.119 think it's a quick buck that is happening right now, 975 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.599 and it's happening with social media. It's happening insecurity in 976 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:35.519 the world, you know. 977 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.280 But like people creating accounts on YouTube and TikTok and 978 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:44.280 making money, all these influencers whatever whatever, they are making 979 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.480 money and all that. So, yeah, you see that more 980 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.320 and more and more, especially the younger generation. I don't 981 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.159 know how long they can stand that they can keep 982 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.320 that going. You know, at some point they're they're not 983 00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:58.199 interesting anymore. 984 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.599 So yeah, I think it's, like I said, this is 985 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.119 a little above my pay grade, but I do think 986 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:07.960 it's an interesting commentary. Let me put it this way. 987 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.440 When we started blogging, there were movies and TV shows 988 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.559 in the year's post, like around twenty ten or so 989 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:22.320 that were about people who were blogging. And then maybe 990 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.280 about ten about ten years ago, you started seeing movies 991 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.239 and TV shows about people who were influencers, who were 992 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:33.239 selling products and living their lives online. And now you're 993 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:35.960 seeing movies and TV shows about people who were doing 994 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.679 sex work and camera work and only fans work. And 995 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:46.960 I think there's a rather dark commentary about how the 996 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.880 avenues for anyone to do any sort of independent media 997 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.159 work are getting narrower and narrow, and now we're narrow, 998 00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.280 We're no one's starting a blog in twenty twenty six. 999 00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.320 And I mean literally fifteen years ago when people were 1000 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.800 asking me, I was like, yeah, don't start a blog. 1001 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.960 Blogging is dying. No one's social media is dying. So 1002 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.719 influencers are a thing that are not going They're going 1003 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.679 to be roughly what bloggers are now, which is this 1004 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:18.360 throwback to another period. That's all I'm just rambling here, 1005 00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.800 but I do think it's interesting how media is. Social 1006 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.119 media and online media is removing opportunities for people to 1007 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:30.000 express themselves until what we're left with is sex working 1008 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:30.400 cam work. 1009 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.599 Yeah. Well, the thing is that I think because we're 1010 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.440 so visually obsessed now, you know, with especially with social media. 1011 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.159 I see that happening a lot on TikTok on Instagram. 1012 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:40.840 I mean you see all these hot men and women 1013 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.239 and you immediately even I do the same, mouth like 1014 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:45.400 all right, they can. 1015 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.280 We see them naked somewhere? And then you go to 1016 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.760 only fans, you know, there's like there's always and they 1017 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.840 do it. I mean you see all these I have 1018 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.199 no judgment for anyone, no I don't. 1019 00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.239 But you see all these hot men and women, especially 1020 00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:01.840 you know so called you know, I don't know, or actors, 1021 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.760 actors or whatever models they usually see. They're an only 1022 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.320 fan account always because they want to make money. And 1023 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:13.280 I can understand. I mean, you know, people are interested 1024 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.920 in paying to see you, uh doing things. So yeah, 1025 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.440 why if you feel like it, make your money? Yeah, 1026 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:21.320 make your buck. 1027 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.360 So that's set up. And I do want to say 1028 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:27.719 that if you like those kinds of shows, twists and 1029 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.800 turns people in over their head, that sort of thing, 1030 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.519 if you like what we've told you about it, then yes, 1031 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.800 I even though I've sort of damned it with a faint, 1032 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.440 faint praise, it's a watchable show and if you want to, 1033 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:38.440 you should check it out. 1034 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:39.639 I think she's phenomenal. 1035 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.440 It's Tatiana all the way, always, always, and if you 1036 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.440 were fan, I think what you want? Yeah, yes, and 1037 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.079 she's funny. There's always Murray Bartlett. Right, Well, I want 1038 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.000 to get into spoilers, so why don't we hold off 1039 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:52.400 on him? 1040 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:52.920 Yes? 1041 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.239 And is there anything else you want to add before 1042 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.239 we start talking about what happens. 1043 00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:58.599 In the stream. No, No, we can go ahead, and. 1044 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.519 All right, so love you mean it? Bye bye, we'll 1045 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:03.960 be back tomorrow with a bitter Kiten movie Club and 1046 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.159 we'll be back next week. Okay, bye, all right, let's 1047 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.239 keep talking. We're spoiling now, so no one can complain, 1048 00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:15.159 all right. So the setup here is that she gets 1049 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:19.239 into involved with this camboy on a on a on 1050 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.400 a slightly impersonal basis, but she has, you know, a 1051 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.599 relationship with him, and on camera, while she's doing a 1052 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:32.000 session with him, he gets attacked and then she gets 1053 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.719 messages from him that people are going to kill him, right, 1054 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.239 and she gets caught up in this scam and it's 1055 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.639 clearly that it's clear that this guy is scamming her, 1056 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.800 and so we follow that for a little bit and 1057 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:47.280 actually I think it's at the end of the first 1058 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.079 episode she I. 1059 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:51.119 Think, so I can't remember, Yeah, yeah, I don't remember. 1060 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:52.880 At the end of the first episode she finds his body. 1061 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:59.800 He actually does get killed, yes, And one of the 1062 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.719 things I do like about it is, you know, she 1063 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.440 doesn't feel like she can get any help from the police. 1064 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:11.920 I think, Dolly Leone, Oh my god, she's so good. 1065 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.400 And what I love about that is in a story 1066 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.239 like this, you expect the lead character to lie to 1067 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:23.400 the cops for some stupid reason, but she doesn't. When 1068 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:27.639 she gets confronted with the guy dying, she immediately almost 1069 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:29.519 immediately comes out and says, Okay, I was there. I 1070 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.360 saw it. She doesn't hide what she knows and what 1071 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.679 she saw from this cop. And I'm like, all right, 1072 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.519 that's good because when you do stuff like that, when 1073 00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:42.800 you have characters lie to cops and stuff like that, 1074 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.639 I'm immediately gonna think, all right, well, you're an idiot, 1075 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.480 and everything that happens to you after this point is done. 1076 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.760 Now. I can't stand when that happens. Yeah. 1077 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:56.079 Similarly, I will say she could bring the temperature down 1078 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.880 on a lot of shit in her personal life if 1079 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.199 she just told her husband I'm being scammed by some one. 1080 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:02.760 There's no reason why she can't tell him that. She 1081 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.440 doesn't have to say it's a camboy or that she 1082 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.559 found his dead body. But he wants to know, well, 1083 00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.400 why is there crazy stuff going on here? And all 1084 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.599 she say is people got a hold of my number 1085 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.400 and they're trying to scam me. But she doesn't say that, 1086 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.679 and she lets him almost abuse her in a couple 1087 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:19.159 of scenes. 1088 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.000 At some point I thought the husband was behind the 1089 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:22.440 whole thing. 1090 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.519 Well, who knows, We've won't be seen three and like 1091 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.559 this is a show or the new Wipe or whatever. 1092 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:31.800 Why I know it'll be something like that. 1093 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.840 I don't know. She was buying and she was looking 1094 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:34.920 around in a funny way. 1095 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.280 Did you know what that's that all about? 1096 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:36.360 You? 1097 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.760 Why did she go to another address to get a bike? 1098 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:41.159 Very strange? 1099 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.119 Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they were I don't know, 1100 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.519 doing something with the cam guy. 1101 00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:52.079 Who who knows. I do think the Murray Bartlett thing 1102 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:56.519 did catch me off guard. They introduced his character and 1103 00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:00.000 he's the camboy's older boyfriend and it's this lovely scene 1104 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.280 of romance and whatever. But he's the guy who killed him. Right, 1105 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.599 That's the big twist is Murray Bartlett is the guy 1106 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.000 who killed him. And also the people that are trying 1107 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:12.400 to scam Tatiana Maslani. This is where it gets all 1108 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.280 kinds of confusing. In fact, you had a we had 1109 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:18.159 a posit so that I could you know, lay this out? 1110 00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:22.000 Is that they don't know. They didn't know the boy 1111 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:26.360 the camboy has a friend, a female friend. I don't 1112 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:29.199 think they ever named her, No, I don't And the 1113 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.880 two of them had worked out this scam and the 1114 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:37.840 girl was using a voice modulator to call Tatiana Masani 1115 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.360 and make all of these threats and so on and 1116 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.719 so on and so on. It has nothing to do 1117 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:45.599 apparently with Murray Bartlett. This was just some scam that 1118 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.039 he was, you know, he and his friend were doing 1119 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:51.800 on people. I don't know why Murray Bartlett killed him, 1120 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.000 but had it didn't really it didn't have anything to 1121 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:54.480 do with. 1122 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.840 That, right, But I believe he knew about those right, 1123 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.239 pretaining too to get killed or whatever. I think Murray 1124 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.280 knew about I don't know. 1125 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.440 I don't what about that even knew or I don't 1126 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.920 think there was ever a scene indicating that he knew 1127 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:12.360 that he was doing cam work. 1128 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.920 No, what about the guy who was monitoring all the 1129 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:16.840 videos and stuff? 1130 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.639 And well that was afterwards, wasn't it. Yeah, but I 1131 00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.320 don't know, Yeah, that was afterwards, like after he killed him. 1132 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.119 Did he find out that he was doing cam work? 1133 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.320 I don't know. We don't know exactly what happened, what 1134 00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:30.440 triggered him to kill the boyfriend, because but apparently something 1135 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.440 about the boyfriend had having plans to I mean, maybe 1136 00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:36.719 not do that anymore and open he went into open 1137 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:38.199 a hotel or something. 1138 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:39.880 I don't know. I think there's a lot of bullshit 1139 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:41.920 that a lot of lie went on in the first 1140 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.519 few episodes, so I honestly don't know where this is going. 1141 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:49.039 But apparently that's what triggered him to kill the guy 1142 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.599 because he was talking about the future and I want 1143 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.400 to you know, oh, and he already said, I put 1144 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:54.199 money down, and. 1145 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.599 Oh, that's right, that's right. He put money down on 1146 00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:58.239 like a hotel. You're right, you're right, you're right. 1147 00:56:58.679 --> 00:56:58.920 Yeah. 1148 00:56:58.960 --> 00:56:59.840 I don't know what's going on. 1149 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:03.199 There, and I think Murray's character didn't like that. 1150 00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.599 Yeah, you gotta say, Murray, whatever work you had done, 1151 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.239 it's good work. It's really good work. I turned to 1152 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:12.199 you and I was like, he looks noticeably younger, but 1153 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.360 it doesn't look weird or anything like that. 1154 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:15.559 Well, it's cold money. 1155 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.239 It's called money. Yes, it's also called genetics, because that 1156 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:19.079 guy always looks at. 1157 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:20.159 It's called money. 1158 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:22.760 He was pretty at twenty five and he's pretty at 1159 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:26.639 fifty five. It's gold, money, money and technology and jeans. 1160 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.079 All right, let's see. 1161 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:30.239 I'm curious. 1162 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:33.280 I'm going to sleep watching because I really don't know, right, 1163 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.679 Like I said, I felt like in the beginning, I 1164 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.320 was like, Oh, it's gonna be all twists and turns, 1165 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.639 and she's in over her head a little. But almost 1166 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:41.480 immediately they did a twist and I was like, oh, 1167 00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.440 I didn't I didn't actually see that coming, and I 1168 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.000 don't actually know what's going on. And you're a point 1169 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:48.320 about the ex husband. I'm like, I didn't even consider 1170 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:49.400 that he was involved. 1171 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:51.440 I don't know two things. I thought he was a 1172 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:52.480 little too hard on her. 1173 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:53.440 I thought so too. 1174 00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:55.679 I was like, I don't know he's he involved. And 1175 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:58.519 then the scene with the new wife looking around like 1176 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.719 a little I forgot about that too, like why is 1177 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.840 she looking like that? Like you know, like why why 1178 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:03.159 is she so? 1179 00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.840 I hope Tatana hooks up with the cute guy at 1180 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.199 the soccer games. Oh well, he is adorable and they 1181 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.000 have great rapport and she needs a normal man in 1182 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:16.760 her life, not an asshole or a canboy. I hope 1183 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.079 they bring Brandon Flynn back. I'm sure they'll be flashbacks 1184 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.960 because he's adorable. He is adorable. I'm sure there will 1185 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.559 be flashbacks, But it's exactly the kind of show that 1186 00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.239 we'll have a flashback because it's such a streaming cliche. 1187 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:32.039 And we just find out at the end of the 1188 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:37.480 third episode when when the detective what's her name, Detective 1189 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:43.719 Sophia Soia, she's really funny, funny try and seen it 1190 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.079 all and trying to be non judgmental with this crazy 1191 00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:51.360 woman in her canboy, but I don't know. It turns 1192 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.800 out they find out that Tatiana Maslany's fingerprints were in 1193 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:56.559 the system, and then she finds out that there was 1194 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:58.960 some dead body in Portland, and that's how it ends. 1195 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:03.119 Now I don't think she's murderer, but why would she 1196 00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.840 keep this information? This is when I get a little 1197 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.400 critical of these types of shows. It's like, all right, 1198 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.480 why would she have kept that from a cop, Like, 1199 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.360 if you need a cop to be your ally, why 1200 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.119 would you not tell them Listen if you run me, 1201 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:24.639 I'm in the system. So we'll see. Because it is 1202 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.119 one of those shows that sometimes the lead character has 1203 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.519 to act a little stupid in order for the story 1204 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.960 to progress. And I think that's why I was impressed 1205 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.400 that she told the cop the truth about, you know, 1206 00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:39.039 seeing the dead body. So we'll see. It's Tatiana, Ma's Lani, 1207 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.440 it's Murray Bartlett it's Dollie Leone and those three right 1208 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.760 there are pretty much the reason to watch the show, 1209 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.440 and it's I don't know how much he's in it, 1210 00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.840 but he's half naked through most of his scenes, which 1211 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.960 is nice, and I think that's it. 1212 00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:58.440 Yeah, I'm curious. I'll keep watch. 1213 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:03.079 I'll keep watching. Yeah, maybe when it's all over, we'll 1214 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.920 do a recap of the whole thing and we'll revisit this. 1215 01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:07.719 Let us know what you think. If you have been 1216 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.840 watching to Shoe. 1217 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.840 Let us know in the comments. Please like and subscribe 1218 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:13.559 and share. Yes we never say that, but we really should. 1219 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:14.440 Oh my god, we should. 1220 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.920 Subscribing to a podcast really really helps us. 1221 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.480 And social media and you know, following us on Instagram 1222 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:20.119 all that's. 1223 01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.119 All of that is very very helpful. 1224 01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:22.760 Yes, it is. 1225 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.719 Okay, So we will be back next week with whatever 1226 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:28.960 crosses ours across as our desks. We will also be 1227 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.159 back tomorrow with the Bitter Kit movie Cloud, where we 1228 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.119 will be watching Atonement. So that is your assignment for tonight. 1229 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:39.440 It is on Netflix, Enjoy well anything else you know 1230 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.280 that's got stumble. All right, we'll be back next week. 1231 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:44.239 Was across ourrise, across our desk until then love you 1232 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:44.519 mean it 1233 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:45.239 Bye bye bye