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Speaker 1: We're Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Hello Kit, and welcome back to another edition of the Pso.

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I am the Tea and your Tilo Tom Fitzgerald, and

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I'm here with the Low and your Tila Lorenzo. Chause,

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My love, housbu. How are you, darling.

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful, counting to d's to travel. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to Ireland and Scotland next month.

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Speaker 2: Very very excited about it. Can't wait. We've been to

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Ireland before but never to Scotland. So and I hear

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and see amazing things.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he is over planning this trip like you wouldn't believe.

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Speaker 2: But I'm jack bitch. You're gonna love me.

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Speaker 1: This bitch is gonna love you because I plan.

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Speaker 2: Yes'm I was actually watching it TikTok about.

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Speaker 1: This Hota shock. Lorenzo was watching a TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Anyway about this whole thing that there's always one who

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plans everything and the other one just show up with

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the pets for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trip Daddy and I'm trip mommy.

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Speaker 2: But you know you take care of what the things

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I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm trip mommy. I take care of picking the restaurants,

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quartering the ubers, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we're very excited about it. If you live there,

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I feel free to send an email with suggest it's

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because I'm trying to get you know, some ideas for

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restaurants and things like that.

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Speaker 1: We'll be in Donegal, Dublin and Edinburgh. Yes, all right,

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So we have much to discuss today as pretty huge

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with us the We're going to weigh in first on

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the Pattygonia story, the story of the drag queen who

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was being sued by the clothing brand Patagonia, because we've

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been writing about the fashion and drag queens for so long,

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how could we not weigh in on this one everywhere?

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Now it is everywhere, and say I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Know who she was.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't know who she was, So I don't

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know every drag queen out.

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Speaker 2: There, So good job with the promotion there.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll get into that, sweetie, all right, And then

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we're going to talk a little bit about some TikTok drama.

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It's actually not TikTok. It's all over the place, but

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TikTok of course feels these things regarding Tay and Travis's

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wedding plans.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that, and then we're back half of

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the podcast. We're going to talk we'll do some more

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TV talk. We're gonna talk a little bit about the

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latest episode of Widow's Bay, which, oh my god, it's

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so good, and also introduce you, if you haven't already

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been introduced to the other Apple TV Plus series that

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came out this month, Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed, starring Tatiana Muslani.

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It's kind of up our alley in terms of her

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and the subject matter and everything, but I'm not entirely

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in love with it, and we'll talk about we'll bat

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that around and that will the TV conversation will probably

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have some spoilerific stuff. But if you haven't seen Maximum

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Pleasure Guaranteed, we'll give you a warning and you can

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tap out before because, let me tell you, it's full

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of twists and turns. So let's start with Pattygonia. Yeah,

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Patagonia is the name of a drag queen. It's Patty

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p A T t I E. Gonia as in two

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different names, but it's clearly a play on Patagonia, the

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clothing company. Although she claims it was she was the region.

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She was inspired by the region, And I'm like, this

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name a drag queen who names herself after a region,

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I mean, come on, which.

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Speaker 2: Is clearly not true because my understanding that she made

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the statement that she was by the company.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me just lay the groundwork. And well,

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in case you don't know, so her name, her drag

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name is Pattygonia, and the clothing company Patagonia has any

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shape of the lawsuit against her because she filed a

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trademark for the name, and she has been selling merchandise

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in apparel using that name and has posted She claims

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that she's not using this artwork to sell items, but

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she has posted artwork where it's the Patagonia logo, which

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is a very distinct logo the company, and they made yeah,

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spells out her name. The company told him that it

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looks like the same. They're fond everything, the little mountain ranges,

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the color choices and that stuff. So this is interesting

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because and she's not backing down. She's not backing down.

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She claims they're silencing her, they're trying to take away

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her identity. And I have to say, I mean, we

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are huge fans of drag queens and the huge supporters

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of the art of drag. But we have been writing

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about drag queens for a very long time, very extensively,

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and we have I won't get into it, but we

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had some personal experience with drag queens. They look out

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for themselves, and let me just say, you might not

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want to enter into an agreement or a contract with

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any of them because, and you know I'm being mean here,

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that's not true. It's not like this class of people

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is somehow. Let me put it this way, Drag is

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an underground art form and it's still on some level

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a punk art form that tends to tweak the nose

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of the culture at large. It tends to pull from

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the culture at large and then recast the culture at

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large through a queer lens. That has been the art

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of drag from the beginning. It's sort of you know,

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when you get into questions of is drag making fun

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of women? I always say to any woman who was

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offended by drag, it is not my job or my

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role to tell you not to be offended by it.

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But I do think drag, for instance, in that instance,

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it's not making fun of women. It's making fun of

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modern femininity, fun of the tropes of femininity and what

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is imposed on women and what women have to do

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to navigate the world. But it is not making fun

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of women themselves. That's my take on it. However, there's

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always these lines. There's always these very blurred lines. So

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on the one hand, I want to say, okay, Patty Gone,

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as a drag queen, you have a right to parody things.

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You have a right. It is the goal of drag

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to pull from the main culture and remix it in

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a way that's queer and different in comments on that culture.

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So there's some part of me that thinks, Okay, she

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kind of has a point, But there's a bigger part

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of me that's like she's promoting the hell out of herself.

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This is all you know, she got her name out there.

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She's really you know, she's more famous now than she's

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ever been because of this.

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Speaker 2: Laws seeing is that there are a ton of drag

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queens out there with names like that. There's jans Ward,

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there's a brit of Filter.

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Speaker 1: There's Trixy who used to be known as Trixie Mattel.

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Speaker 2: I remember that old movie The Drag Queen that one

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of these dragons with Virginia Ham. You know, like that's

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the kind of stuff. It's funny and clever. Uh and

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you see who you know it's clever. I it makes

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me laugh when I see names like that. But when

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but you know, the issue is always money, when you

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start making money and some Yeah, so then yeah, like

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Speaker 1: You know which is the perfect counter to this, Yes,

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go ahead. Uh.

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Speaker 2: She she has makeup, She has a bunch of stuff.

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Trixy has a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 1: She has all kinds of product lines.

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Speaker 2: She has that tricks but she only uses her first

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name is Trixy Motel, tricks makeup. I believe you know.

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Speaker 1: She stopped using Mattel Mattel just.

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Speaker 2: To avoid any of that. Yeah, I mean, so she

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still is Tricksy Mattel, but she doesn't sell as far

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as I know, she doesn't sell any merchandise with the

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name Mattel. I mean she she's not dumb. And she.

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Speaker 1: Altered her look away from being sort of a Barbie parody,

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which was very early in her career. And then you

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the clothing brand, and when she went on drag Race,

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she shortened it to Jen because she knew that there

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would be legal problems if she tried to. This is

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the thing, Patty Gonya. If she was working the bars

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or working the drag cert she could use that name

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for the rest of her life and the brand wouldn't right.

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But when you start trying to sell things, when you

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bring your drag to a more merchandizable level, then you're

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no longer the underground drag artist who's poking fun. You're

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actually a company and a brand.

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Speaker 2: Right. You have to think of someone imagine a drag

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queen going by a Mom Donna or Mam Donna. Yeah,

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and then trying to trademark that. I mean, it's not

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gonna work. Right.

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Speaker 1: I still think you can get away with names. You

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can get away with names.

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Speaker 2: And my understanding is that Patagonne the brand was fine

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unto a certain point. Is when they found out that

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she was applying for a trademark with that name, that

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they started, you know, contacting her, and you know, I

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mean there's a ton of videos now, there's a ton

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of articles now everywhere vanity for her in an article.

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Everyone has their time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're all talking about congratulations to Patty Gania, right,

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she did it.

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Speaker 2: The thing is that you can't say anything like TikTok

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is going nuts every time. Every time you say anything,

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they say, well, you're just defending corporations, big corporation blah

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blah blah, you know, and she's just a small artists

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blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: True. But one of the points that Pedagonia the company

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makes and makes sense is that they have to protect

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their brand. If they say yes to Patty Gania, then

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they have to say yes to a lot of other people.

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Speaker 1: Copyright law. That's it right there. Once you open that gate, yes,

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then you can have your brand destroyed by outsiders.

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Speaker 2: Right. I mean a lawyer later on can come and say,

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well you open you know you were okay with Patty Gania,

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how come you're going after this person so.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're putting them as a corporation. And they

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would have to put an awful lot of faith into

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that single drag queen that she would not do something

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to damage the brain. What if Patty Gunya decide she

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wants to do only fans or something or something like that,

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She's free to do those things. But Patagonia, as the

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company is free to say I'm sorry, we cannot have

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your you using our name, and we have no control

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over what you're going to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I my understanding is very little when it

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comes to stuff like that. But I mean, even I

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was like, you can't get someone's name, someone.

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Speaker 1: And logo and try and sell things and make.

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Speaker 2: Money off of that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know her, obviously, I'm not familiar with her work,

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so I don't know if she was just dumb and

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naive about this or if this is really like she's

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just being smart and working the system. Like I said,

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knowing what I know about drag queens my personal experience

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with them, I think she's working the system. She's I

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don't think she's done.

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Speaker 2: Very kind of delusion in a way about the whole thing,

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or just pushing it. Pushing it because on TikTok she's

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making all these videos and then you have fans in

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the fans, you know, I think she's fitting off of that,

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the whole conversation out there about it. But and then

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she claims or she claimed that, you know, Pedagony is

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a region in South America that but she also allegedly

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she also claimed at some point on one of her

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videos that her inspiration was on, you know, the company,

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the actual company. It was brand, not the region, So

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you can't have it both ways anyway, It's complicated. I

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feel bed for her because apparently she's a great activist,

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you know, and all that, and I.

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Speaker 1: Agree, and I do. I don't know how how open

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Patagonia the company is, but they are claiming to be

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fairly open in what they are asking of her. Apparently

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they're only sewing for one dollar. They are, however, putting

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her on the hook for their legal bills, which could

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be thousands of millions, and that's to get her back down.

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That's the you know, that's the threat there. And I think,

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you know, I don't. I hate like caping for corporations.

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On the other hand, it is a fashion company, and

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I do kind of feel a little bit of allegiance

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to fashion companies that they should be allowed to remain,

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you know, to protect their brands. So you know, it's

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it's it's not as gray as I'm making it out

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to be. It's a little gray because you want a

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drag queen to be able to do her work, You

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want a drag queen to be able to parody the

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culture but and you don't want to be someone who's

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caping for corporations. But I really kind of do see

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Pattigungia's point here, and I maybe I'm being lied to

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by them, but they are coming off as the more

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reasonable one in this exchange.

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Speaker 2: It's complicated. I think about us. When we started our blog,

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we wrote project run game, We're a project run gate.

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They never came after us, but.

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Speaker 1: That is why we changed them. But they could.

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Speaker 2: They could have, especially if we start telling merchandise or

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trade marked the name Prussia Run.

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T shirts and stuff.

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Speaker 2: We did a couple of things, like little things like

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a you know, silly things like a mug or whatever.

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the name or anything. But I'm sure if we trademarked

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that name, prussick one games start selling. Well.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is, several years later, ironically, and left

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long after we had a bandoned the name, there was

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a drag queen who started using it and I didn't

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know that she's I came across it, and I think

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it was like a Facebook post, and she had done

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all this, like she had worked up logos and everything

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that kind of looked like our old logo. And I

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don't know what she was planning on doing with it,

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but a whole bunch I remember her posting on her

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socials and saying, I can't believe no one ever thought

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of this. A bunch of people were like, uh no,

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Tom and Lorenzo thought of that years ago.

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Speaker 2: I think I think you're pushing it like like a

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drag queen, like brit of Filter for example. I mean,

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you lucky that they didn't they haven't come after you,

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because clearly, I mean they could.

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Speaker 1: They could.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's started kitchen whares under that name. She

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would have a water having her own water exactly. This

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is what I mean. Like, I think Patty Gonia the

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drag queen is fine as long as she's not trying.

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And if she has merch, just call it Patty merch

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or something, you know, like Trixy did take the Gonia

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off And no, I think she's milking this for all

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the attentions she could get and then eventually she'll settle

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with them.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about her and I didn't even know who

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she was so.

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Speaker 1: Here you go exactly, so good job, Patty Gonia. But

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I'm sorry, I'm gonna side I think with the Big

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Spirit Corporation on this one.

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Speaker 2: It's a complicated issue. And I think when you decided

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to take a name like that, you you're just looking

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for it.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I think she'd be fine if she

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was just performing under that name. But if you're gonna

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copyright it and if you're going to sell merchandise under it,

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that's that's a big no. You're gonna have to go

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with Patty or just like Trixie did, or Jan just

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like Jan did. Like you can't, you know, there's clear

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like precedent here. I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: The conversation is behind doors, but Paddagunna has been very

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open to making several statements about it that they have

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tried to make, you know, some sort of agreement with

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Patty Gania, but she keeps saying no, no deal, no deal,

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no deal.

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Speaker 1: She's going to lose the name, right, and then she's

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going to have some big, splashy new name and everyone's

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going to know who she is. So congratulations girl. All Right,

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we're going to take a short break and then we're

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gonna come back and talk about Tay and Travis. Where

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back and now we're entering the world of celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the biggest wed of a wedding of all times.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So Tay and Travis, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey

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are getting married next month, and you know, they're keeping

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everything under under wraps. And I really don't know how

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much of this we're ever really going to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, apparently they're getting married when July fourth or something eighth,

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I think it is. Oh, oh, they changed anyway, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, in July some time. Anyway, there somewhere on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And there's drama on TikTok and on social media surrounding this,

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and I'm going to let Lorenzo because I don't give

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a shit about this. No, I'm joking, I actually do

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have I think I think I don't follow this the

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way you I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's honestly, I can't wait to be for that

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wedding to be over, because that's what everybody talked about,

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and it's just I think it's just they're making it,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: To adity because I'm not on TikTok, and I'm like,

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I was talking about this wedding, talking.

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Speaker 2: About every magazine.

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Speaker 1: Everybodody on TikTok is talking.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, every magazine. Everybody's talking about this wedding because it's

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a secret, and nobody knows when's going to happen, where's

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going to happen, you know, And of course it's tell

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us if getting married, so of course everyone is talking

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about it. But the issue that some magazines and some

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people were talking about is that apparently you get invited

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if you're lucky, one of the very few on the planet,

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and then but you can't bring a guest with you.

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Speaker 1: No one's allowed to plus want it, yes.

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Speaker 2: So and people were annoyed with that, you know, complaining

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about it, saying what am I gonna do? And am

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I going to just be by myself? Blah blah blah.

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I don't know, And then everyone was talking about weddings

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in general like that, you know, would you go by

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yourself if you if you could bring a person with you?

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I don't know. I think it's fine. I mean I

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posted one of the articles in the lounge post I

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forget when, and a few people were making a point

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that you know, I've been to several weddings by myself.

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I don't see what the big do is, especially if

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it's a very famous wedding like that. I'm sure you

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know most of the people.

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Speaker 1: I've ever been to a wedding by myself. That seems

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weird to me, but I I have it.

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Speaker 2: It was fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think like it was went to

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weddings as a family member where I didn't have a

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date or a partner with me, but not like you know,

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some friends. Well that's not true. Actually I did go

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to friends weddings by myself. It's been so long since

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I've been single.

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Speaker 2: I was I remember going to one of my friends.

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Speaker 1: I did go to a field.

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Speaker 2: She used to work with me and we work together,

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and she invited me because we're very good friends. And

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I went by myself and it was fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see the I didn't see a problem.

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I will say the reaction to this. First off, anybody

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who's talking about this and relating it to some wedding,

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you know, your cousin's wedding, whatever. I'm sorry, this is

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like the biggest celebrity wedding right right, It's I don't

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know it's up. There is Zendia and Tom Holland a

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bigger celebrity wedding than this. I don't know. This is

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something we can debate in the comic tell us it's

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the bigger wedding.

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Speaker 2: It's the biggest wed of all time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but all right, let's say

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it's the biggest wedding, celebrity wedding of the year. There's

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clearly a lot of interest. They are clearly trying to

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keep a lid on it, and I think that's understandable.

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And anybody who's like, well, I you know, I wouldn't

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go to a wedding lite. Oh shut up, you would

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go to Taylor Swift's wedding alone if you got invited

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to come.

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Speaker 2: I think she can invite. I mean, she can say

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just come alone. I mean I have I have more

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problem with her inviting Carly Clauds.

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole apparently she got invited, and you know,

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I have a problem with that, Like she's married to

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a Kushner. Hello, I know, yeah, I mean I'm not

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defending it.

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Speaker 2: I just well, my point is that, yeah, things have changed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, is she bringing a Cushner. I guess

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she is.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's anyway, I just married. I have more

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problem with that, with that kind of association.

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Speaker 1: I think this brings up a lot of feelings in

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people about being a single person at a wedding, which uh,

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you know, can can be you know, I don't want

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to say unpleasant, but I guess for some people it's

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you know, it's embarrassing in some way or awkward in

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some way.

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Speaker 2: I think I think, here's here's my thing. You get

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a day. I always say that you can do whatever

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you want, you can request whatever you want, demand what everyone.

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You get a day of my life. So it's fine,

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especially if you till A Swift and Travis Kelsey, and

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of course I think you have all the right to

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do whatever you want. And if you just want one

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person there not someone with the camera, you know, or

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a phone. I remember I was on TikTok again, TikTok

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and ariana granny was having friends over and she invited

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her brother and so anyway, they were watching TV, having

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dinner or whatever. Her brother brought up, and her brother

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brought a friend that they didn't know who the person was.

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Speaker 1: And the guy, I'm surprised she agreed to that.

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Speaker 2: I guess it was a big crowd and she wasn't

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paying attention anyway, the guy recorded her and took pictures

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of her watching TV, you know, very candid shots of her,

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and then went on TikTok and talked about it and

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posted those for everybody to see. And of course she

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was mad and talked to her brother, and I think

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they took it down. The guy took everything down. But

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the guy. You should have seen the videos that the

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guy created about that delusional.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like couldn't even understand what was wrong with

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the picture here, And I'm like, what, it's such a violation.

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I know, I talk when I see people taking pictures

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of celebrities on the subway in New York, right, don't

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do that? Well, I mean, I think that's worse because

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they are literally trapped, they cannot get away, and you're

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taking their picture. That's awful.

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Speaker 2: Well, the whole thing with cameras now everywhere, at the gym, everywhere,

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and then and you know their legal their laws now

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that you know they can you know, filming you or

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whatever on the street, which it's which to me is

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so it's such a violation I mean, what if you say,

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I don't want to be in your freaking video you know,

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you know, your TikTok account or YouTube account. It's complicated.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think it is. I think they have

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the right as the uh as the people who are

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getting married, to establish what kind of wedding. I mean,

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it's sort of it's like when people get really mad

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at wedding invitations. That's it's, you know, where you can't

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bring your kids. You know, people have that right, and

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if you are offended by that, you have the right disciple.

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Fucking I'm not coming to your wedding, right exactly. I

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just people get all weird about being wedding guests and

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what should be you know, out and not allowed and

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that sort of thing. But I do think when it

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comes to a wedding, like there is no comparison to

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this wedding right rightly, you can look at certain other weddings,

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celebrity weddings, but it's not going to be your cousin's

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wedding or your coworker's wedding. And my point is, regardless,

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there's this whole question of people showing up and taking

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pictures unwanted, and that's that's a concern in any wedding.

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I think we've been to a lot of weddings recently

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where they issue not to take your phones.

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Speaker 2: Out at all, right, not take pictures at all.

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Speaker 1: But with Taylor and Travis, there's the extra added thing

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is they're going to start putting those pictures would be

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worth a ton of money if people start, would be

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making money off of those pictures.

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Speaker 2: Right, if people started posting pictures immediately, you know, like

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like people do on social media, but that.

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Speaker 1: They would go directly to People magazine and sell them.

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That's my point, not that they would post these things

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00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,839
on social media, that they would sell them and make

472
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,400
money off of them. And because Taylor and Travis, those

473
00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:06,720
pictures could go for six figures, She's completely in the right.

474
00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:11,079
It's not just a privacy thing. It's about not allowing

475
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,880
people to make money off of your wedding. If you

476
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,559
don't want that.

477
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, it's it's a control thing, which

478
00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:20,640
is which clearly her right. They're right, it's their wedding.

479
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, it's their wedding.

480
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,519
Do you think there will be pictures? I can't imagine

481
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,240
that there aren't. God, but I don't think she's going

482
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:34,000
to be like selling the rights to Vanity faircal Magazine. Yeah,

483
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:35,839
I don't see her doing that. So I guess there

484
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,000
will be pictures that she will control on her socials.

485
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,839
Speaker 2: Probably because she doesn't need the money. I don't know.

486
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,519
There was a whole issue with his father not knowing

487
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,039
anything about the wedding because apparently he can't keep his

488
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,240
mouth shut. So that was the problem with that too.

489
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he you know, his mom's great, but

490
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,759
I don't think he comes from a family of thinkers.

491
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,200
So but his mom's great. I'm not putting her down.

492
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's actually apparently the father was hurt because they

493
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,400
were avoiding telling the father anything about the Oh my god,

494
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,119
yes again, I can't understand. It's Taylor Swift.

495
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: Wedding, my scholar Swift's wedding, and yeah, let's I mean,

496
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,160
she's only going to do this once. I think. I

497
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,640
don't really think this is a girl that's gonna walk

498
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720
down the aisle a bunch of times. Not that I mean,

499
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,440
I'm not predicting this, but I just don't think she's

500
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,599
going to have a string of husbands.

501
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, So who knows.

502
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: We'll see, But here's my take on that. We might

503
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,160
as well go here. Tay is clearly a romance minded girly,

504
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,920
always has been, but she has not always been a

505
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,519
marriage minded girly in terms of her esthetic, in terms

506
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,440
of her art. It has not been about finding that

507
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,440
guy to walk down the aisle. And she is in

508
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,279
her mid thirties. She's like thirty three or thirty four now,

509
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:56,960
which is a little on the mature side for her

510
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,400
first wedding, and that indicates and she's dated a lot. No, granted,

511
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,000
she probably has dated a lot of the wrong guys.

512
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:08,960
I am sure the opportunity to marry has presented itself

513
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,279
to Taylor Swift three or four times and she didn't go,

514
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:17,319
and she didn't. That's my take. We've talked about this

515
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,640
because you think this is all for show, and I'm like, oh, no,

516
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,680
she's got it really bad for that guy. She's got

517
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,200
it really bad for that guy.

518
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: I think, Oh God should I yes, yes, he should.

519
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000
Taylor Swift, to me is just a very.

520
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:36,079
Speaker 1: All right temper yourself. Yes, I think, to use your.

521
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,599
Speaker 2: Word, she's very talented to a certain a certain to

522
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,559
a certain extand but I think she's she's kind of

523
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,279
a basic girl. She's a basic girl.

524
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: That's fine.

525
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. She's a basic girl. That's how I

526
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,119
see her, you know, with very basic ideas of future.

527
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: And I think I disagree.

528
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,839
Speaker 2: I think she's she wants to get married and she

529
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,519
I think the whole thing of Mary, I don't know

530
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,079
a football player America, the whole thing. I think. I

531
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:04,279
think that's the mindset there.

532
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that was fine.

533
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,319
Speaker 2: I don't know she was.

534
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: Dating like Tom Hitdleston for I don't know.

535
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,039
Speaker 2: Every time I see that red lipstick, I was like, oh,

536
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,000
that is basic anyway, just a basic girr in my opinion,

537
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,880
nothing wrong with that. Very talented, you know, singer to

538
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,359
a certain extent. But anyway, I'm just myself.

539
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm watching, I'm just watching.

540
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: Anyway. I think she'll be fine with him, and uh,

541
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:34,920
you know, who knows.

542
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm not here to predict. I mean, I don't I

543
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,440
don't know their marriage or their relations or any of that.

544
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:44,079
Speaker 2: They seem happy. I think he's not very bright, but

545
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,680
they're happy together. They look happy. Maybe who knows, After

546
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,480
you get married, things change and we'll have another record,

547
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,960
another album with her anyway.

548
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: I could be wrong here what I find I could

549
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,400
be wrong here, but I think I don't want to

550
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,759
reduce her down to anything. But given her history and everything,

551
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,720
I think it's likely, and also given the nature of

552
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,759
their relationship, which is very, very conventional and borderline conservative,

553
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,559
I think she's going to have a baby fairly quickly.

554
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
Oh and then I think she's going to do the

555
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,400
Madonna thing where she's going to do an entire album

556
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:28,559
about motherhood, and that will be very good for her.

557
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,880
It'll be very good for her fandom, which is aging

558
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,000
along with her and becoming mothers along with her. So

559
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,119
that's my prediction for her going forward. I just want

560
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,480
to add again, I don't think this is some big

561
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,680
plan on her part. I think she dated a lot

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,559
of guys because she's a girl who likes to be

563
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,000
in love. But I also think she rejected a lot

564
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,960
of guys because she's a smart enough girl to know

565
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,519
that she does not want to be married to just anybody.

566
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: I think what's happening to Taylor Swift, it's what happens

567
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,240
to everybody. At a certain point, you realize that, all right,

568
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,119
I'm done doing certain things and I want to get

569
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,359
married now, which is fine.

570
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,519
Speaker 1: That's true of most people, especially when.

571
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: They not just women. I'm not saying just women, men

572
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,920
and women. They get to a certain point that like,

573
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,400
all right, I've achieved a lot, I've done a lot

574
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119
my personal life, and I think that's where she is,

575
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,640
and I think they'll be fine there. They'll be happy

576
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,200
for I don't know.

577
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: For hers crazy about her.

578
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:25,039
Speaker 2: I think he's he's I think he's enamored with a

579
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:30,559
lot of things. And we'll see how it goes. Uh,

580
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,920
and you know, she's happy. It will be interesting to

581
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,799
see what she's going to do in terms of her

582
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:36,960
career because you.

583
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Know, like I said, it'll be a baby album.

584
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,079
Speaker 2: Because she has a lot of very very young fans.

585
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:43,839
Speaker 1: I know, but she also has a lot of fans

586
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,920
that are in her age group. And I know for

587
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,319
a fact she's got a lot of like Gen X fans.

588
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,599
Speaker 2: Right, So it'll be interesting what the next you know,

589
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:55,880
move career will be a new album, Let's see. I'm

590
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,799
curious anyway, but that's it.

591
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:02,279
Speaker 1: I would be shocked, if I say it. I would

592
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,200
be shocked if she wasn't pregnant within a year, right,

593
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,000
because it's that kind of relationship. You can see it.

594
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:10,720
You can look. I've seen a lot of friends and

595
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,559
family members get married and then have their babies, and

596
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,839
you can just see when they're in that mode. It's like, oh, yes,

597
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,559
they are ready to have a baby with this person.

598
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: This girl worked her entire life.

599
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: Honestly, she deserves her. Yeah, everyone thinks we're such bitches

600
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,160
to her, But I really don't have a you know, no,

601
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:29,799
I don't wish her ill at all.

602
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: No, I that's not my issue. My shoe with something

603
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000
else you or she was that she's basic. My issue

604
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:37,079
is that she's overrated.

605
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,319
Speaker 1: Uh and the same thing. Yeah, and that to me,

606
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:41,559
she's basic.

607
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's just my opinion, which clearly millions of

608
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:47,480
people disagree with.

609
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: As I've always said, she is not making music for us,

610
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,359
and I am not afriended, are bothered by that. Let

611
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,279
the people who for whom she's making that music enjoy

612
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:01,279
that music. But it's it's not me that's that I

613
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,079
think we crashed her. I think we've been very fair

614
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,240
to her. You're a little meaner about her than I am.

615
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: I can't wait see the dress. Well, I'm sure it'll

616
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920
be a lot of a lot of Lates, you.

617
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Think, yes, you don't think she'll be a sexy bride.

618
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: No, And lace is very in rate now for weddings,

619
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
So I don't know. I see, Lates, I see.

620
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,359
Speaker 1: I think it'll be fairly traditional, yeah, but I don't

621
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:29,359
think she's gonna have like a royal wedding type. I

622
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,279
don't think it'll be a demure gown. Let me put

623
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,119
a to you that way. I think, who do you

624
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:34,319
think is designing her gown?

625
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean things have changed. Uh yeah,

626
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,119
nobody talks about your weighing, or.

627
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,279
Speaker 1: She'll pick someone hotter, like Scaparelli or something like that.

628
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: Upa just just just got married, you know, and she

629
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:53,559
went and more Caparelli suit. Yeah.

630
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:01,039
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing. I I can't make predictions here,

631
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,599
but I have a hard time picturing her walking down

632
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,880
an aisle in like a conventional gown with a train,

633
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,640
like I don't know. Like when I saw Julilip in

634
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,720
that suit, I was like, you.

635
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,079
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, but that's dually, but there are two different people.

636
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:16,079
Speaker 1: I know, she's much more stylish than tailor more interesting.

637
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:21,200
Boyfriend's hotter. Oh god, can we not talk about it?

638
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: You're so weird about him because he's gorgeous and he's

639
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,839
going to be the next game. I know, he's just

640
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,359
so cute.

641
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: We need to wrap this up and go Taylor's.

642
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: It's going to be late long trade the hold you.

643
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: I see. I have a hard time picturing that. I

644
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,799
think it's going to be more modern sleep Gucci, Sint Laurent,

645
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,640
something like that.

646
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: I hope he's not wearing some goofy ass suit as

647
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,839
he always does. But anyway, no, she'll whip him into shape.

648
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,880
I mean they will look chic on their wedding. I'm

649
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960
sure maybe she's were she now who knows?

650
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Who knows? You will find out in a month. I

651
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,599
guess when she posted on her socials. All right, let's

652
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:57,319
take a short break and we'll come back and talk

653
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:02,440
about TV stuff. We'll be right back. We're back and

654
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,079
we're going to do a little bit of TV talk

655
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,359
right now. If you are not caught up on the

656
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,759
latest Widows Bay, I would suggest you jump ahead about

657
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,079
five minutes checking the clock right now. So I will

658
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,119
hold ourselves to that.

659
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: Our post, our last post podcast was about this was.

660
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,039
Speaker 1: About it, and we urge you all to watch it.

661
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,160
And we weren't entirely planning on doing like recaps every

662
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:21,839
week but not.

663
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: But he's just at the last. The latest Yeah, the

664
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,319
latest episode was so freaking funny.

665
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, jump ahead a few minutes because I just

666
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,599
want to talk about this episode before we jump into

667
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed, which we will keep in a spoiler

668
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:41,920
free mode until we warn you that we are wrapping

669
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,480
things up and spoiling things. So Widow's Bay was another

670
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:54,160
Patty centered episode or Patricia centered episode, and Katie Flynn

671
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,039
is the MVP of this show because the two best

672
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,680
episodes of the series so far have been the episodes

673
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,599
that have focused and almost entirely on her. What I

674
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,200
loved about this episode, and we've watched it like three times, yes,

675
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,000
is that it is she is so damn funny in

676
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:21,920
these scenes when she's running away from basically Jason. But

677
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,000
the scenes themselves were legitimately scary. The scenes in her

678
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,759
house when she turned off all the lights, I was like,

679
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:33,680
this is good horror directing. This is legitimately scary. And

680
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,799
the art direction on that staircase in her house was

681
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,200
completely insane. It was all off kilter. The paintings were

682
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,279
hung at weird angles, the light was placed in a

683
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,160
weird space, and you know, obviously all that's deliberate, and

684
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,519
I loved that. I loved that off kilter sense. But

685
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:51,440
the other thing, and this is a minor thing, but

686
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,759
I do love seeing this because I notice it when

687
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,680
TV shows violate this. When you're in a small community,

688
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,160
like and you have seen set in various houses. Uh huh,

689
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,079
it's a really nice thing when all of those houses

690
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,639
on the inside look like they all belong in the

691
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,320
same Like the layouts are roughly, the kitchens to the left,

692
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,079
the dining, you know whatever. And I noticed that about

693
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,599
Katie's house, about Patricia's house, Katie o Flynn is the actress,

694
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,159
And then when she ran to the book club, I

695
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,760
was like, this feels like a house that's in the

696
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,079
same community, right right. And sometimes people don't do that.

697
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,760
Art direct production designers don't do that. They like to

698
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,079
get all kinds of goofy and weird with stuff, and

699
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,840
then every house looks so wildly different. But you know,

700
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,280
in your neighborhood, if you go into your neighbor's house,

701
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,920
or even if you go into a house in your

702
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,559
same town, if you're in a smaller town, the general

703
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,599
esthetic is going to be similar, And I do love that.

704
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: What I love about the show he is dead and

705
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,559
I'm you know, and I hate horror or anything like that,

706
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,880
but it is so clever and fun.

707
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: It's clever as hell.

708
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 2: It's clever as hell. It reminds me of you know,

709
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,639
weapons to movie weapons, would you know? And Gladys and

710
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:05,039
you know the whole thing.

711
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: About z Thatch Craiger movie.

712
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they make it funny but kind of

713
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
real in a way. Yeah, like things well.

714
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: Observed, like when she got to the gas station, Yes,

715
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:16,880
I need twenty on three, Like that whole scene is

716
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,280
so funny, and she forgot to charge Jesus yeah, forgetting

717
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,360
to charge the taser. And just the fact that it

718
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,239
was absurd that she was running through this entire community

719
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,920
relentlessly for a half hour and nobody was coming to

720
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,079
her aide, and this guy never ever did more than

721
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,199
walk slowly, and yet he constantly caught up with her.

722
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,079
It was parodying all that stuff in a very very

723
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:43,719
subtle way.

724
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,039
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that. I think that's so clever. Yeah,

725
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,880
when she gets to the house with the bitchy friend.

726
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I saw that tasing coming from

727
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,800
a mile away.

728
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,599
Speaker 2: So stuff like that is just funny, funny, funny, and

729
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:58,360
then I want.

730
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: To uh as so it's all God, the writing on

731
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,159
this is so good. When Wick goes to see Jerry,

732
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,239
his high school crush, at the Society, at the Historic

733
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,159
Society because he wants to tell her that story about

734
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,320
her brother and about how he's been holding a torch

735
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,360
for her blah blah blah, and her husband walks in,

736
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,079
and then the scene instantly he'd already handed her the

737
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,000
picture inside we need to talk and I've been carrying

738
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:27,360
this around in my wallet for you know, sixty years

739
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,599
old happens and then yeah, I don't know if you

740
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,000
caught the line, because I was like, oh my god,

741
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,320
that's really funny writing. The husband shows up, and then

742
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,039
Wick realizes he needs to get out of there and

743
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,679
he can't say what he came there to say, so

744
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,119
he goes, wow, I got a lot of photographs to

745
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:46,239
hand out today, so I better get And that was

746
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,480
just a hilarious way to end that very poignant somewhat

747
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:50,239
said see.

748
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,519
Speaker 2: And the fact that he couldn't finish the story, Yeah,

749
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,639
it feels so real. It feels like what when when

750
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,480
things happen in real life.

751
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: You know. And then I one thing that I forgot

752
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,039
to mention last week, my theory, and I actually thought

753
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,239
it was going to come out this week, but they're

754
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,719
holding off on this. So at the end of last

755
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:15,320
week's episode, the camera zoomed in on the painting in

756
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:22,760
the hotel of that of the founder's family, his children

757
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,320
trying to escape the island, and one child is in

758
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,199
the water, swimming away from the boat. And I mean,

759
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,119
there's there has to be a reason why they zoomed

760
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,440
in on that after they killed the founder of the island, right,

761
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,719
And that is it's suggesting that his line did not end,

762
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,920
that other people on the island are of his bloodline.

763
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,559
They would not put something like that in there unless

764
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,440
the person is a character that we know, right, They're

765
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,880
not going to just pull some character in from from

766
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,639
the left and say, Okay, here's his descendant. No, it's

767
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,400
going to be someone we know. And I mean, I'm

768
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,360
gonna just it's his son.

769
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: You think it's your son.

770
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:03,679
Speaker 1: How could it not be his son? His son is

771
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,920
of the line of people, his mother was of the

772
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,039
line of people. Well, and that's not true. His mother

773
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,559
was born on the Island. That's all we know. It

774
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,760
suggests that she's an old timer, could be that she's

775
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,360
from an old family. And yeah, I just think he's

776
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,920
going to find out that Tom is going to find

777
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,199
out that in order to lift the lurse, lift the

778
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,639
curse on the island, his son needs to be killed.

779
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,960
And obviously you know they're not going to do that,

780
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,800
but it'll be that'll be the conflict going forward. And

781
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480
that is all I have to say about Widow's Bay,

782
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,559
except you know, if you're still listening to me and

783
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,920
haven't watched it yet, I really urge you to watch it.

784
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:46,239
It's funny, it's smart, it's an incredibly talented cast, it's subtle,

785
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,719
and Katie O. Flynnman just MVP And that scene of

786
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,280
her with the shotgun outside the UH gas station, I

787
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,960
was like, she just became a horror icon in thirty minutes.

788
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,840
She is just an iconic lesson hilarious or.

789
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: Wrong.

790
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: So just yeah, just a great episode. Anything else on

791
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,679
this ship, that's it.

792
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: I'm really enjoying it.

793
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know if you agree with my theory

794
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,880
that Tom's kid is probably is of the bloodline of

795
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:27,480
the Founding family. All right, maximum pleasure. Guaranteed. I have

796
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,960
to say I kind of came to this begrudgingly. But

797
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,119
first off, I hate the title. I think that is

798
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:38,079
just an awful title for I just do. I don't

799
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,920
think it suggests what show you're about to watch at all.

800
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,800
But so the title kind of I was like, yeah, whatever,

801
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,480
And the only reason I came to it was for

802
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:55,960
her Tatianamo's life. Who hasn't always made the best career

803
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:58,800
choices in terms of the stuff that she picks, but

804
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,519
she has never turned in a performance that wasn't eminently watchable.

805
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: You know, you know, that's what she's doing. She might

806
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,559
not be the you know, the great movie or TV

807
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,480
show or whatever, but she always does.

808
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: She elevates the material, always, always, always.

809
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: And the same here.

810
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: I will say that, yes, I don't want to take

811
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,239
anything away from her. There's nothing particularly wrong with this material.

812
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,159
Let me just do a non spoiler setup of what

813
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,639
the storyline is without getting into any of the twists

814
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,960
and turns. Pardon me. She is a divorced single mother

815
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,840
who is having serious custody issues with her ex husband.

816
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
She's got kind of a I don't know that that's

817
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,239
a dead end job. It's just that she doesn't seem

818
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,280
particularly Yeah, she doesn't love focused on her job at

819
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,079
the moment because there's all this drama going on in

820
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,320
her life. She's a fact checker at a magazine, which

821
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,079
I mean, do they even have them anymore? But fine,

822
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,039
she's a fact checker at a magazine and they live

823
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,920
in I don't even know, Pacific northwest northwest somewhere I think,

824
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,519
I forget. She did used to live in Portland, but

825
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:08,119
I don't think that's where they live anymore. So, messy divorce,

826
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,280
messy custody, kind of a dead end, not really into

827
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,559
her job, and she uh has a friendly sort of

828
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,880
relationship with a canboy, meaning a guy who does well.

829
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,760
She's being him camera ship. Yeah let me Yeah, Yeah,

830
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,400
she's a client. She's a client of a canboy where

831
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,480
she gets on you know, a camera with him and.

832
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,199
Speaker 2: She got a little too personal, but but she was

833
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,000
still hiring him.

834
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,079
Speaker 1: She they show a few scenes with him, and he's

835
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,480
played by Brandon Flann who was adorable. Uh, And they

836
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:49,039
have a sort of friendly talkie jokey relationship that ends,

837
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,639
you know, each session ends with them masturbating. But it's

838
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,960
not an entirely sexual relationship. And I did think to

839
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,599
the show's credit, because you know, things go south, let's

840
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:05,800
just say, to the show's credit, she's never judged. I

841
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,760
don't feel that the show ever judges her for doing this,

842
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,679
and it also, I think shows her to have a

843
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,079
fairly healthy mindset about what she's doing.

844
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:16,679
Speaker 2: This is right.

845
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: She's friendly with this kid who's a lot younger than her.

846
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,360
She gets off with him, but she's you know, and

847
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,760
she's the Only thing I'll say is that in the

848
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,719
first episode they show her going into the bathroom stall

849
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,400
at work and facetiming him with her headphones on, and

850
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,599
I'm like, well, that's a little obsessive and irresponsible. So

851
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,079
I mean, I guess they're having it both ways where

852
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,599
they're they're not suggesting that there's anything wrong with her

853
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,880
for doing this, but they are suggesting that she's probably

854
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,639
in a little too deep and using it to avoid

855
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:48,920
the emotional stuff in her Do you agree.

856
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,559
Speaker 2: Yes, which that's what a lot of people do.

857
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: That's what a lot of people do, so again, kind

858
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,119
of a healthy attitude, but doing it in work, what's

859
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,960
realistic is a realistic attitude. I think I agree, because

860
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:00,559
you know, she's uh it.

861
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: They make they they make sure you understand what's going on,

862
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,480
because he says something like I forget, but he says, well,

863
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,280
we still have a few minutes. So clearly she's paying

864
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,119
for it. Right, they're not friends, they're not in love. No,

865
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:14,599
she's not stupid. It's just that it gets to a

866
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,239
point like that to a lot of people. They keep

867
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,159
hiring the same person and.

868
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: They generate a relationship, whether it's yeah, which is honest, which.

869
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: Is fake in a way obviously because the person wants

870
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
the money and you need the attention, so it goes

871
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,079
beyond sex. Let's put it this way. I agree, And

872
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,280
you know, more power to you if you have the

873
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,159
money to wait, to wait for a friend. Yeah, but

874
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,679
it's it's it's clear that that you know she's she

875
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,559
hired him. Yeah, she's paying for him.

876
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,559
Speaker 1: And this is the setup in the first five or

877
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,519
ten minutes. So we haven't spoiled anything, and I'm not

878
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,960
going to spoil anything yet. I want to get into

879
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:51,079
Tatiana herself.

880
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:52,159
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

881
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: One of the things she's really really good at is

882
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,360
playing women who are weighing over her head. Yes, she

883
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,639
her what the fuck is going on?

884
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

885
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,519
Speaker 1: That is she? That is her her sweet spot when

886
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,400
it comes to acting, and she's in it through this

887
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,119
whole thing. Jay Johnson plays the ex husband, and I

888
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,679
do think that's interesting casting. They actually look like a

889
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,280
couple who would have been married to Yeah, there they do.

890
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,440
But he's actually playing kind of an asshole. He doesn't

891
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,639
normally play such big assholes. But he's good, He's very good. Well,

892
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,599
that's the other thing is that the writing is intelligent

893
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,840
because he is kind of the asshole x husband but

894
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,440
at the same time, and there is a lot of

895
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,280
new ones there, right, and he has legitimate concerns about

896
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,360
allowing her to have custody.

897
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: And we still don't know what really happened there. There's

898
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,039
stuff coming about Portland and you know, so we really

899
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,559
don't know if he's right to, you know, be kind

900
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,920
of an asshole to her. You know, we don't know yet. Yeah,

901
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,239
maybe she did something that we we still don't know.

902
00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: So now I want to get into my critique here, because,

903
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,280
like I said, I came to this somewhat slowly. I

904
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,679
didn't think the setup sounded all that interesting to me,

905
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,760
and I didn't think that and I was really turned

906
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,880
off by the title. But I sat through the first episode,

907
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,400
and I was like, I don't know. But I said

908
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,000
to Lorenzo, I was like, why didn't you watch the

909
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:19,639
first episode? Because this is the kind of show you

910
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,880
love where people get in over their heads and there's

911
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:25,800
a million twists and turns and the story just gets

912
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,719
crazier and crazy and crazier. So I told Lorenzo, watch

913
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,199
the first episode if you're into it, h we'll watch

914
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,480
the second and third and we'll do a podcast on it.

915
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:38,840
So I watched the second and third and I'm in it.

916
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:42,360
I'm probably going to finish this season. But my oh,

917
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,679
there's cats all over this table right now.

918
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

919
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: They're moving on our laptops and everything. If they start fighting,

920
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:56,400
oh god. So there was that. Ironically, Matthew Rees, who

921
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,840
was also starring in Widow's Bay, there is that series

922
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,239
that he did earlier this year with Claire Danes called

923
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,480
The Beast in Me that was on Netflix. Is that

924
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:04,000
what it was called?

925
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: I think so yeah, where.

926
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he killed his ex wife and she's a celebrated

927
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,159
lesbian author. And it was one of those deals where

928
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,639
in the first half hour I was like, Nope, I'm

929
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,159
checked out because I know exactly where this is going,

930
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,599
meaning I didn't know exactly how that series was going

931
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,679
to wind up, but you watched it, and I came

932
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,599
back to you later and I said, let me guess,

933
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,199
and I guessed all these things, all the twists and turns.

934
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,360
She blows up her life, she becomes obsessed with him.

935
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,360
And that's how I felt watching the first episode of

936
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,239
this show, where I was like, I feel like I

937
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,960
know exactly where it's going. I may not know every

938
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,119
twist and turn, and in fact, there were a few

939
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,519
in the subsequent episodes that I did not see coming.

940
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,119
But it's literally about the twists and turns and shows

941
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:57,440
like that. I just feel there a dime a dozen nowadays,

942
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,440
I just feel like, oh, a normal person and got

943
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,320
in over her head and twists and turns and secrets,

944
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,840
and I bet you didn't know that, and everything you

945
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
know is wrong and she's becoming obsessed and she's ruining

946
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,519
her life. And I'm like, yeah, I have seen this

947
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,199
streaming series a thousand times before. What are your thoughts

948
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,719
in regard to that? I don't I hear you rolling

949
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,079
your eyes. I can feel it.

950
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: Well. You have a tendency to figure things out more

951
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,559
than I do, and you know you better. You'd better, yeah,

952
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,880
because you're clever, because I'm clearly the smart one and

953
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,639
you're the pretty one. Yes, you're the more intelligent one.

954
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,840
To hear. Now, you went to film school, You get

955
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,079
all these things. You get to see things in a

956
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:42,039
way that right, you know.

957
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to look at the writing of a show.

958
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I I'm enjoying it.

959
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:50,159
Speaker 1: So I am enjoying.

960
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,199
Speaker 2: I do like the subject matter, the whole only fan thing.

961
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,679
I love that. I think that's great that it's coming

962
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,360
to stories now on TV shows, because that's the reality now.

963
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,519
Everyone has a a fan.

964
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: A camp in and say, I think it's interesting that

965
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,559
this is coming out at the same time that Margot's

966
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,079
got money troubles us out and that is about a

967
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,119
girl who winds up opening an only Fans account she

968
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:14,000
needs money, and I think we're going to look back

969
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,679
at this time. But there's a ton of these sorts

970
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,440
of stories about people turning to you know, pornography or whatever,

971
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,480
or sex work, and I think it's very indicative of

972
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,119
the times that we live in in a way that's

973
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,199
a little dark. But yeah, but it's not. It's I

974
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,119
think it's a quick buck that is happening right now,

975
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,599
and it's happening with social media. It's happening insecurity in

976
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:35,519
the world, you know.

977
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: But like people creating accounts on YouTube and TikTok and

978
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:44,280
making money, all these influencers whatever whatever, they are making

979
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,480
money and all that. So, yeah, you see that more

980
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,320
and more and more, especially the younger generation. I don't

981
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,159
know how long they can stand that they can keep

982
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,320
that going. You know, at some point they're they're not

983
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,199
interesting anymore.

984
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:01,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's, like I said, this is

985
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,119
a little above my pay grade, but I do think

986
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:07,960
it's an interesting commentary. Let me put it this way.

987
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,440
When we started blogging, there were movies and TV shows

988
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,559
in the year's post, like around twenty ten or so

989
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:22,320
that were about people who were blogging. And then maybe

990
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,280
about ten about ten years ago, you started seeing movies

991
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,239
and TV shows about people who were influencers, who were

992
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,239
selling products and living their lives online. And now you're

993
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,960
seeing movies and TV shows about people who were doing

994
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,679
sex work and camera work and only fans work. And

995
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:46,960
I think there's a rather dark commentary about how the

996
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,880
avenues for anyone to do any sort of independent media

997
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,159
work are getting narrower and narrow, and now we're narrow,

998
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:56,280
We're no one's starting a blog in twenty twenty six.

999
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,320
And I mean literally fifteen years ago when people were

1000
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,800
asking me, I was like, yeah, don't start a blog.

1001
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Blogging is dying. No one's social media is dying. So

1002
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,719
influencers are a thing that are not going They're going

1003
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,679
to be roughly what bloggers are now, which is this

1004
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,360
throwback to another period. That's all I'm just rambling here,

1005
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,800
but I do think it's interesting how media is. Social

1006
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,119
media and online media is removing opportunities for people to

1007
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,000
express themselves until what we're left with is sex working

1008
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:30,400
cam work.

1009
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing is that I think because we're

1010
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:36,440
so visually obsessed now, you know, with especially with social media.

1011
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,159
I see that happening a lot on TikTok on Instagram.

1012
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:40,840
I mean you see all these hot men and women

1013
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,239
and you immediately even I do the same, mouth like

1014
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,400
all right, they can.

1015
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: We see them naked somewhere? And then you go to

1016
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,760
only fans, you know, there's like there's always and they

1017
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,840
do it. I mean you see all these I have

1018
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,199
no judgment for anyone, no I don't.

1019
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: But you see all these hot men and women, especially

1020
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,840
you know so called you know, I don't know, or actors,

1021
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,760
actors or whatever models they usually see. They're an only

1022
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,320
fan account always because they want to make money. And

1023
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,280
I can understand. I mean, you know, people are interested

1024
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,920
in paying to see you, uh doing things. So yeah,

1025
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,440
why if you feel like it, make your money? Yeah,

1026
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:21,320
make your buck.

1027
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: So that's set up. And I do want to say

1028
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:27,719
that if you like those kinds of shows, twists and

1029
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,800
turns people in over their head, that sort of thing,

1030
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,519
if you like what we've told you about it, then yes,

1031
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:34,800
I even though I've sort of damned it with a faint,

1032
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,440
faint praise, it's a watchable show and if you want to,

1033
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:38,440
you should check it out.

1034
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:39,639
Speaker 2: I think she's phenomenal.

1035
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: It's Tatiana all the way, always, always, and if you

1036
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,440
were fan, I think what you want? Yeah, yes, and

1037
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,079
she's funny. There's always Murray Bartlett. Right, Well, I want

1038
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,000
to get into spoilers, so why don't we hold off

1039
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:52,400
on him?

1040
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

1041
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: And is there anything else you want to add before

1042
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,239
we start talking about what happens.

1043
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,599
Speaker 2: In the stream. No, No, we can go ahead, and.

1044
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,519
Speaker 1: All right, so love you mean it? Bye bye, we'll

1045
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,960
be back tomorrow with a bitter Kiten movie Club and

1046
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,159
we'll be back next week. Okay, bye, all right, let's

1047
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,239
keep talking. We're spoiling now, so no one can complain,

1048
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:15,159
all right. So the setup here is that she gets

1049
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,239
into involved with this camboy on a on a on

1050
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,400
a slightly impersonal basis, but she has, you know, a

1051
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,599
relationship with him, and on camera, while she's doing a

1052
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:32,000
session with him, he gets attacked and then she gets

1053
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,719
messages from him that people are going to kill him, right,

1054
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,239
and she gets caught up in this scam and it's

1055
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,639
clearly that it's clear that this guy is scamming her,

1056
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,800
and so we follow that for a little bit and

1057
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,280
actually I think it's at the end of the first

1058
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,079
episode she I.

1059
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:51,119
Speaker 2: Think, so I can't remember, Yeah, yeah, I don't remember.

1060
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: At the end of the first episode she finds his body.

1061
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:59,800
He actually does get killed, yes, And one of the

1062
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,719
things I do like about it is, you know, she

1063
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,440
doesn't feel like she can get any help from the police.

1064
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:11,920
I think, Dolly Leone, Oh my god, she's so good.

1065
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,400
And what I love about that is in a story

1066
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,239
like this, you expect the lead character to lie to

1067
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,400
the cops for some stupid reason, but she doesn't. When

1068
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,639
she gets confronted with the guy dying, she immediately almost

1069
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,519
immediately comes out and says, Okay, I was there. I

1070
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,360
saw it. She doesn't hide what she knows and what

1071
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,679
she saw from this cop. And I'm like, all right,

1072
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,519
that's good because when you do stuff like that, when

1073
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:42,800
you have characters lie to cops and stuff like that,

1074
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,639
I'm immediately gonna think, all right, well, you're an idiot,

1075
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:46,480
and everything that happens to you after this point is done.

1076
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 2: Now. I can't stand when that happens. Yeah.

1077
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:56,079
Speaker 1: Similarly, I will say she could bring the temperature down

1078
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:57,880
on a lot of shit in her personal life if

1079
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,199
she just told her husband I'm being scammed by some one.

1080
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,760
There's no reason why she can't tell him that. She

1081
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,440
doesn't have to say it's a camboy or that she

1082
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,559
found his dead body. But he wants to know, well,

1083
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,400
why is there crazy stuff going on here? And all

1084
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,599
she say is people got a hold of my number

1085
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,400
and they're trying to scam me. But she doesn't say that,

1086
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,679
and she lets him almost abuse her in a couple

1087
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:19,159
of scenes.

1088
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: At some point I thought the husband was behind the

1089
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:22,440
whole thing.

1090
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,519
Speaker 1: Well, who knows, We've won't be seen three and like

1091
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:29,559
this is a show or the new Wipe or whatever.

1092
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,800
Why I know it'll be something like that.

1093
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. She was buying and she was looking

1094
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,920
around in a funny way.

1095
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: Did you know what that's that all about?

1096
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: You?

1097
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: Why did she go to another address to get a bike?

1098
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:41,159
Very strange?

1099
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they were I don't know,

1100
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,519
doing something with the cam guy.

1101
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,079
Speaker 1: Who who knows. I do think the Murray Bartlett thing

1102
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:56,519
did catch me off guard. They introduced his character and

1103
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:00,000
he's the camboy's older boyfriend and it's this lovely scene

1104
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,280
of romance and whatever. But he's the guy who killed him. Right,

1105
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,599
That's the big twist is Murray Bartlett is the guy

1106
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:10,000
who killed him. And also the people that are trying

1107
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,400
to scam Tatiana Maslani. This is where it gets all

1108
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,280
kinds of confusing. In fact, you had a we had

1109
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,159
a posit so that I could you know, lay this out?

1110
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Is that they don't know. They didn't know the boy

1111
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:26,360
the camboy has a friend, a female friend. I don't

1112
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,199
think they ever named her, No, I don't And the

1113
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,880
two of them had worked out this scam and the

1114
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,840
girl was using a voice modulator to call Tatiana Masani

1115
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,360
and make all of these threats and so on and

1116
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,719
so on and so on. It has nothing to do

1117
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,599
apparently with Murray Bartlett. This was just some scam that

1118
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,039
he was, you know, he and his friend were doing

1119
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,800
on people. I don't know why Murray Bartlett killed him,

1120
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,000
but had it didn't really it didn't have anything to

1121
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:54,480
do with.

1122
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 2: That, right, But I believe he knew about those right,

1123
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,239
pretaining too to get killed or whatever. I think Murray

1124
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,280
knew about I don't know.

1125
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't what about that even knew or I don't

1126
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,920
think there was ever a scene indicating that he knew

1127
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,360
that he was doing cam work.

1128
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: No, what about the guy who was monitoring all the

1129
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:16,840
videos and stuff?

1130
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,639
Speaker 1: And well that was afterwards, wasn't it. Yeah, but I

1131
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,320
don't know, Yeah, that was afterwards, like after he killed him.

1132
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,119
Did he find out that he was doing cam work?

1133
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't know exactly what happened, what

1134
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,440
triggered him to kill the boyfriend, because but apparently something

1135
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,440
about the boyfriend had having plans to I mean, maybe

1136
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,719
not do that anymore and open he went into open

1137
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,199
a hotel or something.

1138
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a lot of bullshit

1139
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,920
that a lot of lie went on in the first

1140
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,519
few episodes, so I honestly don't know where this is going.

1141
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,039
Speaker 2: But apparently that's what triggered him to kill the guy

1142
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,599
because he was talking about the future and I want

1143
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,400
to you know, oh, and he already said, I put

1144
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,199
money down, and.

1145
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,599
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, that's right. He put money down on

1146
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:58,239
like a hotel. You're right, you're right, you're right.

1147
00:56:58,679 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1148
00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on.

1149
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,199
Speaker 2: There, and I think Murray's character didn't like that.

1150
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta say, Murray, whatever work you had done,

1151
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:09,239
it's good work. It's really good work. I turned to

1152
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,199
you and I was like, he looks noticeably younger, but

1153
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,360
it doesn't look weird or anything like that.

1154
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:15,559
Speaker 2: Well, it's cold money.

1155
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,239
Speaker 1: It's called money. Yes, it's also called genetics, because that

1156
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:19,079
guy always looks at.

1157
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,159
Speaker 2: It's called money.

1158
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: He was pretty at twenty five and he's pretty at

1159
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,639
fifty five. It's gold, money, money and technology and jeans.

1160
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:29,079
All right, let's see.

1161
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:30,239
Speaker 2: I'm curious.

1162
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep watching because I really don't know, right,

1163
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:35,679
Like I said, I felt like in the beginning, I

1164
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,320
was like, Oh, it's gonna be all twists and turns,

1165
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,639
and she's in over her head a little. But almost

1166
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:41,480
immediately they did a twist and I was like, oh,

1167
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,440
I didn't I didn't actually see that coming, and I

1168
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,000
don't actually know what's going on. And you're a point

1169
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,320
about the ex husband. I'm like, I didn't even consider

1170
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,400
that he was involved.

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Speaker 2: I don't know two things. I thought he was a

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little too hard on her.

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Speaker 1: I thought so too.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know he's he involved. And

1175
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then the scene with the new wife looking around like

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a little I forgot about that too, like why is

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00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,840
she looking like that? Like you know, like why why

1178
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is she so?

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Speaker 1: I hope Tatana hooks up with the cute guy at

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the soccer games. Oh well, he is adorable and they

1181
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:12,000
have great rapport and she needs a normal man in

1182
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:16,760
her life, not an asshole or a canboy. I hope

1183
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,079
they bring Brandon Flynn back. I'm sure they'll be flashbacks

1184
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because he's adorable. He is adorable. I'm sure there will

1185
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be flashbacks, But it's exactly the kind of show that

1186
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we'll have a flashback because it's such a streaming cliche.

1187
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And we just find out at the end of the

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third episode when when the detective what's her name, Detective

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00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,719
Sophia Soia, she's really funny, funny try and seen it

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00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,079
all and trying to be non judgmental with this crazy

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00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:51,360
woman in her canboy, but I don't know. It turns

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out they find out that Tatiana Maslany's fingerprints were in

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,559
the system, and then she finds out that there was

1194
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,960
some dead body in Portland, and that's how it ends.

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Now I don't think she's murderer, but why would she

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keep this information? This is when I get a little

1197
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critical of these types of shows. It's like, all right,

1198
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why would she have kept that from a cop, Like,

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if you need a cop to be your ally, why

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would you not tell them Listen if you run me,

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I'm in the system. So we'll see. Because it is

1202
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one of those shows that sometimes the lead character has

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to act a little stupid in order for the story

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to progress. And I think that's why I was impressed

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that she told the cop the truth about, you know,

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seeing the dead body. So we'll see. It's Tatiana, Ma's Lani,

1207
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it's Murray Bartlett it's Dollie Leone and those three right

1208
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,760
there are pretty much the reason to watch the show,

1209
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:49,440
and it's I don't know how much he's in it,

1210
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but he's half naked through most of his scenes, which

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is nice, and I think that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious. I'll keep watch.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep watching. Yeah, maybe when it's all over, we'll

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do a recap of the whole thing and we'll revisit this.

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Speaker 2: Let us know what you think. If you have been

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01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:08,840
watching to Shoe.

1217
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: Let us know in the comments. Please like and subscribe

1218
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,559
and share. Yes we never say that, but we really should.

1219
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we should.

1220
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: Subscribing to a podcast really really helps us.

1221
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: And social media and you know, following us on Instagram

1222
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:20,119
all that's.

1223
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,119
Speaker 1: All of that is very very helpful.

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01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.

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01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,719
Speaker 1: Okay, So we will be back next week with whatever

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crosses ours across as our desks. We will also be

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back tomorrow with the Bitter Kit movie Cloud, where we

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will be watching Atonement. So that is your assignment for tonight.

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It is on Netflix, Enjoy well anything else you know

1230
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,280
that's got stumble. All right, we'll be back next week.

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,239
Was across ourrise, across our desk until then love you

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01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:44,519
mean it

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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye