Speaker 1: The DCU continues its reinvention, following up last year's Superman
with this year's iteration of the alien from planet Krypton
come to inspire hope on Earth. But first a quick
detour to celebrate her birthday. It's Supergirl. I'm Ronel Young Junior,
and I'm leaving the theater.
Speaker 2: All right. This is Ronald and I am leaving the
theater after seeing Supergirl. Supergirl written by Anna Nogera, directed
by Craig Gillespie, starring Millie Alcock, Matthias Schoenarts, Eve Ridley,
David Crumbholtz, Emily Beacham, David Cornsweet, and Jason Momoa per usual.
For complete listing of the cast and crew, check out
the link in our show notes. It's been a while,
but I'm not here alone.
Speaker 3: I am here with Daisy Rosario and thanks for having me, Ronald.
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 2: This is always great because every time you show up,
I'm like, ooh, a guest for leaving the theater impromptu.
I did not plan for this. This was not something
that planned. But you walked in and I'm like, you'll
be on the show and I will be taking you home.
Two things that I am. I am one hundred percent
good with I mean, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty sweet deal. At my end, I get
to say hang out with you and I get a
ride home like you're saving me on an uber.
Speaker 2: So friendship and convenience, we're doing it all here on
leaving the theater, all right. Supergirl is a DC Extended
Universe movie, or actually I think they're just calling it
the DCU now to differentiate it from the DCEU, which
was the original rival to the MCU, the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
So now this is the DCU, which was taken over
by James Gunn and has been being changed with Peacemaker,
the television show, the New Superman movie, Creature Commandos, and
now Supergirl is the latest entry in this new version
of the DC Universe. It is a story of Carl Kara,
who is Clark Kent's cousin. She has a Kryptonian name.
I'm not gonna you can google it. She's the main character.
She's Supergirl. Okay, she's Supergirl. And we meet her when
she is celebrating her birthday and in grief, and in
the middle of this she is interrupted to go on
a quest to do one particular thing or several particular
things and stop a lot of bad people from doing things. Okay,
that's the plot of the movie. There will be spoilers
here because I do not think I can talk about
this movie the way I want to without talking about spoilers.
But per usual, we'll kick it off by saying, Daisy,
what did you think of this movie?
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought it was a movie. I've used
that line before in life, but that was I didn't
enjoy it very much. But I also didn't think that.
Speaker 2: I love that I love that guy.
Speaker 3: I didn't enjoy it very much, but I also felt,
you know, sometimes I just think something is like really bad,
and this one I really was like, is this just
not hitting with me? Like I could see other people
digging this a lot more than me, which is not
always true, Like sometimes I know that, like financially, it'll
still do well. But there were aspects of it that
I could see other people finding really engaging. There were
just a lot of things that I found really distracting
about it, and the ways that they were distracting was
we're consistent enough throughout that then I like couldn't get
my mind off of those things, the biggest two being
that I couldn't stop thinking of both Guardians of the
Galaxy but also the.
Speaker 2: Mad Max movies.
Speaker 3: And I thought about that early and then it was
like they kept trying to prove it to me, and
that is a weird thing, you know, like like so
it was just hard for me to ignore that. I
think if you're not noticing all those details, I think
you might get swept up into the actual story and
the characters a little bit more. Because the core idea
itself isn't a bad idea, but I it just didn't
do anything for me. At the end of it, I
was like, Yep, you made a movie, and good for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I will be your foil. When you just
said if you weren't distracted by the Mad Max and
the Guardians of the Galaxy of it all, I wasn't.
A Guardians of Galaxy came up and it was a
way and it didn't distract me. And I can tell
you that at the core, I still didn't like this movie.
So so as far as I'm concerned, I know someone
in there liked this movie. At the end of the movie,
there was at least twelve people that burst into applause,
but they were actually very stubborn with their applause because
nobody joined in. And it was one of those things
where you heard the twelve people deciding that this is
gonna be a good movie and they're gonna clap for it.
But I'm pretty sure that most people left this movie
thinking feeling very lukewarm about it. Now I felt lukewarm
up about this movie up to a certain point. We
will get into that point in one minute. It is
when I turned to you and said, Daisy, because after that,
I wanted to go run through the film and rip
down the whole thing and say this is garbage, this
was bad, and I hate it. We'll get to that
in a second. I don't want to because I that
is gonna be a long extended rant that I go on.
But let's just talk about some of the elements. I
agree with you that it is reminiscent of other things,
but I think the plot was just it was so basic,
and I think at first glance you could say, well,
good idea, you're not going to give us too much
of the origin. We're jumping right into the action. But
then for me, I'm like, well, there's not really enough
action for us to say that we really jumped into it.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. Yeah, I mean yeah, I just
when you're saying like the bad writing, like why were
there times where I knew the line that was about
to be said before it was said, right, Like I
almost said one out loud and I would have been
one hundred percent right. I also think the clapping thing,
just to go back to that for a moment is funny,
only because this is obviously not something everyone will experience,
even if they see this movie, but because we were
at a press screening, they like gave away like one
of the buckets before the movie, and like Ronald was
laughing at me because I started and You're like, why
are we clapping? And I was like I'm a clapper
and I was like, I clapping for this likely.
Speaker 2: I love that is a good callback because I just
realized you just said that. You explained that to me,
like I clap easily, and sure enough there's clapping, and
you did not join it.
Speaker 3: I did not join it. And I was like, thank
you for passing me in my bag. I will see
you in the hall. It's like what I did. Yeah,
I mean, I guess it's like, I mean, I appreciate
hearing that you just didn't like it either way, because
like I said, like I knew that I was being
distracted by certain things, and so I just really couldn't
tell where my feelings were necessarily coming from. And I
try to be honest about that when I feel that right, Like,
sometimes there are times I don't like something on the
first viewing because maybe I came on with two big
of expectations or I am distracted by something else, and
then I go back and I'm like, oh, man, like
I missed like the heart of this thing. I don't
think that's gonna happen with this. I would find it
very hard to even think that I would watch it again.
Like if I came home and my wife was watching it,
say on HBO Max as it will eventually be on
because she hadn't seen it yet, I'll probably be like,
I will be in the other room until you are done,
Like it just wasn't that compelling. There's a bunch of reasons.
I do always think that at the core, like it
always starts with a not good script. I really do
think that that's generally pretty true. I think that there
are ways that you can also make a not good
script work more, and this movie just did not have
enough of those elements. There is one genuine laugh in
this movie. It didn't make me laugh, but it made
the audience laugh in a way that was so noticeable
because of how quiet it had been throughout watching the
movie to that point. And I want to say that
was either like halfway or even maybe two thirds into
the movie, So I mean that's a long way through.
But ultimately I think I really just felt like like
I wanted to be rooting for Millie Alcock more, but
I just didn't think she had enough charisma to save
a script that's this not strong if you will, Whereas,
like I was, I kept thinking to myself, like, like
Emma Stone's too old now for something like this, But
if you had like a young Amastone like in her,
like easy a Era had been in this movie, it
would have easily been a better movie just by like
the gravitational pull of her talent. Right, And that's not
to say that like Millie Alcock's not talented, but like
there's that there's that little extra something where it really
pulls in, Like I actually found it really noticeable when
David Crumholtz showed up because I was like, that man
is acting and I don't mean that in a bad way.
Speaker 2: Which one's David David Crunholtz.
Speaker 3: He's the character of the Supergirl's father.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yes, I love him. Yeah, And I
when he showed up, I remember thinking, oh, I'm glad
he's in this film. But that happened several times. That
also happened for me with Jason Momoa. It happened to
me with David korn Sweet where I'm just like, I know,
I want to be watching the Supergirl movie. I want
to be watching this, But David Kortzwet showed up and
I'm like, what is he up to? Can we? I
would love to see when he's the way? And again
Jason Momoa shows up, and actually, I think the thing
that Millie Alcock is lacking in this is that she's
not actually funny. Yeah, And I don't mean that in
like in the Misogynist women aren't funny way. I mean
that comedy is not her bag. And I felt it
in this where I felt like she was acting like
this instead of actually leaning into there's an ease that
that Emma Stone would have brought to this in terms
of being funny. And there was several ways in which
I was watching this as saying, you're acting the role,
but you're not getting why this is hilarious.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, like yeah, that's the thing like comedy
or that kind of like ease does come more naturally
to some performers. And again, like we know that Emstone
is like well not only well beyond this material, but
like in an age perspective, it doesn't make sense, but
really just trying to think of somebody who kind of
gave off that energy of like being able to carry
something like this when they were young or when they
were more in the age group of like that's somebody
that would play this version of Supergirl. Like that was
just kind of the best example I could come up with.
But you know, I think you get what I mean
because it it it. Yeah, And I will say they're
not doing her any favors because a significant portion of
the beginning of the movie she's like wasted, which is
one of the hardest things to act, like genuinely actors themselves,
like go watch old episodes of like inside the Actor's Studio,
Like playing wasted is actually super hard and that's how
they start establishing the entire character. So you're already like
putting her at a deficit, and then it doesn't feel
like she has a particular aptitude for that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It just felt.
Speaker 3: Like like I don't know, like I think it was
like it was one of those things where I was
really like a couple of dudes were like very attracted
to her in a way that they could not see
the way that everyone else would see this, right, And
I say that being married to a woman, Like I
was like, it's not like I'm not attracted to women.
Speaker 2: I was just like attracted to women. Okay, so we
would know enough, but it.
Speaker 3: Was not enough to save it. Like yeah, you know,
like I and I mean I didn't watch House with
the Dragon.
Speaker 2: I don't really.
Speaker 3: I'm only aware of her from you know, knowing like
following pop culture and covering culture and knowing that she's
out there as an you know, and I thought she
had the look for it, you know, like in the
promotional materials. But then yeah, like just it wasn't quite
there in terms of like really pulling you in that way.
I mean, Jason Momo is really fun. So the moments
when he's on are definitely better, but he's more vibes
than like actor. So even then it was kind of like,
all right, well, if you could have at least had
somebody that had, you know, that level of charm, because
he has a lot of charm, right, I think that
would have gone a long way to just making this
more enjoyable. And then there were just a lot of
choices that I found odd and kind of flat. There's
like a lot of the music was weird to me
in a way that again was distracting. This is one
of the reasons that I can't help but compare it
to Guardians is because the a lot of like contemporary
like twentieth century and twenty first century music, and but
in Guardians, right, and this movie is not and this
movie is not directed by James Gunn, but it is
from James Gunn's new DCU that he's like overseeing, right.
So it was very it felt very as if they
had like gone through and been like, these are the
things that worked about that that we should use in
this not as poorly as like the first Suicide Squad
movie that was really just trying to like paint by numbers.
A version of this but like failed miserably. That is,
by the way, the only movie I've ever fallen asleep
in the theater for was the first Suicide Squad movie,
which is hilarious. Sorry, it was so loud and somehow
I still fell asleep. But like you know, in in
that original Guardians movie, and I think it was a
really smart choice, Like and if you listen to James
Gunna talk about it, he's talked about like, Hey, I'm
gonna put you in this bizarre world where there's all
these other things. I need to give you some grounding.
I need to give you something familiar. And there's also
a justification for why the music is that way. You
know that has to do with Star Lord's you know,
cassette tape, etc. This was like pulling from all kinds
of things, Like there's a fight scene in a bar,
but in the bar which is also like a lounge
there aliens are singing like a version of Girl from
Epanima that you could hear in a jazz bar here.
Like it Like the way that those choices were deployed
felt really distracting and odd and didn't necessarily feel like
they were making choices to kind of change it. As
much as they were like this will work, you know,
like it felt very I know this is a thing
people say now, but it felt like, you know, like
AI had come up with the ideas.
Speaker 2: I agree with everything you said. I really don't. I mean,
I think that this is a film, that it exists,
it's a film, and I think that it would have
been fine. I would have walked out of this probably
saying this movie would have been fine if not for
what I'm about to describe happened. Happened in the middle
of the film. So, first of all, the people that
she's up against are really bad people in that they
are kidnapping little girls or teenage girls, and they are
sex traffic killingdom I'll just say that they are sex
trafficking them, which is and when you think about what
that means, which I'm sorry to put this on anyone's minds,
then it means that these people are very, very, very bad.
That's one. Given the opportunity to kill one of these
guys and or stop them, you should do it. Because
in this film, one of the characters tries to kill
the lead person, is stopped by Supergirl, and minutes later
he slaughters an entire black family, the basically among the
few black people in this film, kills them so we
could see it in front of us. And then when
a conversation has had that says you just that family killed,
Supergirl responds and says, I can't let this happen to you.
I can't let you kill that man. It'll ruin you.
But the sacrifice of these black people was worth it.
And then she had the audacity to say, I gotta
go get my dog, way too close to the fact
that this entire black family is slaughtered in the streets.
After that, I said, if this movie, if everyone who
wrote this and if anyone who watched this and didn't say, mmm,
we gotta cut that, that's not gonna work. Let him
just get away, and then she can, like she he
can swing the sword and then the family could scurry off,
because if we're not gonna see the family anymore in
the film, if they're gone, we're not gonna see them,
then it doesn't matter if they're dead or if they're
just gone. But to kill them in front of us,
to me feels like they're just being like and then
they're not even remembered. At some point, there's several people
in this movie whose entire families are dead. This one
could have been prevented, and we don't. I don't even
take a moment to remember them at all. They're just gone.
And I said, Daisy, because Daisy, I almost stood up
to be like boo, but what are we doing? Are
we not gonna protest this movie? It's twenty twenty six.
I don't want to see this in my in my
DC Animated you, my DC Universe movies. I don't want
to see this in there. And I, oh, my god,
if this would have been a normal, regular bad movie.
And because of that, it went down a full star
for me, which I'll say by rating it a second,
but it went down a full star for me because
of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean that's real. And it to be
very clear, like Ronald literally just like I could feel
through your head turn and then out loud he just
with Daisy, and I just looked like I know, I know,
I just don't even I know, like I it was.
That was egregious. And again it is the kind of
thing where I'm like, not's a bargain by any means, right,
But like if I'm just thinking of the choreography of
the moment, I would have accepted one of them dying
based on just like the physical of what was happening,
But then it felt gratuitous in the moment as well
of being like but also and also like it was
brutal in a movie that is like brutal but also
not actually that much. Right, Like even the inciting incident
in the movie itself is like, it is weird. This
the way that it's all set up is weird. Just
the vibes of it are not good from jump and
then again to go back to the sex trafficking part
of it, right, they're literally a sex trafficking is like
these girls are the brides, which again, like we are
well into the movie by the time this specifically comes up,
and again I have already been thinking about Mad Max
and now you're throwing me like a fury road some
you know theme of like these girls who are being
held captive. But like it just was too much. I
found it just visually distracting. Like the CGI doesn't look great.
It's not terrible, you know, it's not like it's not
like the worst that you've ever seen, but it has
I can't even you liked that more than I did.
I remember, Yes, that is my legacy, getting people to
hate things the right way. It just was like, yeah, visually,
it just was a little like smudgie. It wasn't as
crazy as Quantumania were, like Corey Stoul's face is like
stretched out, but it was just about like kind of smudgie.
And then again it's like because of the settings of it,
it was it was a lot of that stuff where
you know what, I kept thinking, You're telling me that
we have this whole universe, not even galaxy, the universe.
Galaxy is the whole bit of it, all of that,
and yet we keep running up to these same familiar
tropes delivered in the same familiar ways right Like again
like in Guardians, not just the original movie, but in
their trilogy, and also like the specials that they've done.
There is a location called Nowhere. Now, it's not that
this has is exactly the same, but it spends enough
time in locations that look similar that again, like, I
couldn't stop thinking about that because I already know that
I'm gonna go into this movie and probably think about
things that might feel James Gunny and about it.
Speaker 2: Right. The dog is a.
Speaker 3: Huge part of the movie and a huge part of
the motivation. I don't mind that inherently, but obviously that
is something that James Gunn likes to do. And again
he didn't write or direct this movie, but you can't
help but like notice that and again draw those comparisons,
especially because we did first meet this version of Crypto
in the Superman that he did direct and that he
did write. You know, so it just felt very like
you're reminding me of better movies, like you are reminding
me of better movies while not delivering. And then the
styling of the guys, like straight up, if any of
the guys that Milli Alcock's character and the girl that
she was helping out were after, if any of them
had just been like, my name is Taser Face, I
would have been like that tracks that tracks Like That's
just how it felt like. They weren't ravagers, but they
looked like those characters, just with different outfits, outfits that
one might say, we're a little bit more mad Max.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 3: It just really felt like they took those two things
together and tried to smash them together, and all they
got out of that were like aesthetics but not actually
like thoughtful thematic.
Speaker 2: Elements Honestly, that's well said, and that the Ravager's point.
I take it completely to heart. That's one hundred accurate.
If the Ravagers met mad Max, that's who these baddies
would be. With all of that being said, here at
leaving the theater, we rate movies out of five stars.
You have not been here in a while, you could
go Decimo's all of that. That's fine. One is just garbage,
Five is basically perfect satisfying. Three means I would watch
it again. Four is typically where most of the good
movies land around there, and two is just where most
of the bad movies land right around there. Out of
five stars, Daisy was saw, yeah, what do you give
this film?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the decimalst to heart. I'm gonna give
this like a one point six five, like it is
a movie, and the only reason it even because like
now as we're talking about it, it's like making me
more mad. I mean, like I said, when I started
this conversation, I was like, maybe other people would like
this more, and now I'm like nope.
Speaker 2: I will say, like I am.
Speaker 3: In my mid forties, I've got ADHD, I'm in perimenopause
and everything I've said about this movie is the most
coherent string of thoughts that I've been able to put
together in possibly two years. So what is that about?
But yeah, i'd say like because I don't want to
watch it again, Like I said, I'd probably stay in
the kitchen and be like, I'm gonna get started on prep.
If I came home and my on like dinner prep.
If I came home and my wife was watching it,
It's not a one because a one for me would
have to like literally have like a scene missing, Like
you'd have to be like what happened? Like what is
going on?
Speaker 2: But I just don't it.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I dislike it even more now than when
I was it now that we've actually like taken some
time to process. So I'm gonna give it a one
point six'.
Speaker 2: Five. H i'm definitely gonna have more to say to
you after we cut the mics, off But i'm going
to say, THIS i think a one point sixty five
is a fair. Rating i'm going to give it a
two BECAUSE i did Like Jason, MOMOA i did Like David.
KORNSWEET i did like When Millie alcock was unleashed and
actually destroying things and doing that and Being. SUPERGIRL i
don't think that this was the plot for her to be.
IN i don't like this as an introduction to her.
CHARACTER i do not think she went on the journey
that the movie thinks that she went. On towards the,
end there are emotional beats that do not land because
the work was not done in the. Script and most of,
all above, all IF i could just be, honest y'all
killed The black family out of nowhere for no, reason
and it hurt my. FEELINGS i did not like. IT
i do not have. TO i do not like WHEN
i have to see that in fictional movies and. Films if,
Wrong and it also feels like it meant nothing to
the folks who actually did. It so, yeah to, me
it's a two of five star. Movie and with That
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