WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:02.919 Risk of the mackfield with Montgomery three receivers on the 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:04.799 right hand side, Utah showing some pressure. 3 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:06.320 Now they back away from them. 4 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.240 Now they bring a safety up, four man rush risk 5 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:13.080 looking surveying, throwing down the field, and it's intercepted at 6 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:17.320 the forty, at the fifty, at the forty, at the thirty, 7 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:18.719 a convoy to the end. 8 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:20.399 Zone and a touchdown. 9 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:24.120 It's a Via Bond with a pick six in his 10 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:28.760 final game as a Utes. 11 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:29.960 Wow. 12 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:34.719 Well it's not eleven o'clock circa four or five months ago. 13 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:39.000 It is two thirty on a Wednesday afternoon. Hopefully we 14 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:41.479 brought a little nostalgia to the listeners today as the 15 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:44.280 voice himself, the Voice of the Utes, Bill Riley, stops 16 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:46.399 by on a Wednesday afternoon. 17 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.439 Ryle's happy Wednesday. How you doing spend. 18 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.119 Some good things going good on a Wednesday. I don't 19 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.799 know what's gone faster, the fact that I've been off 20 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.799 the air, not doing my show for four or five months, 21 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:01.560 or the football season. It was like the football season 22 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.200 went by really glad. I know it wasn't the season 23 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:06.760 anybody wanted. I get that part of it, but it 24 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.920 just felt like it was like the Southern Utah or 25 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:11.519 the Baylor game just the other day. 26 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:12.680 I can't believe the season's over. 27 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:14.959 Yeah, I mean I talk about it all the time. 28 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.000 All we do when football is gone is complain and 29 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:19.840 wait for it to come back, and then we're like 30 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:21.959 miserable when it's here and then it's gone. It's like 31 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.200 you need to enjoy it even when the season isn't 32 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.799 what you hoped it would be, because it does come 33 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:27.879 and go really quickly. 34 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:28.760 Yeah. 35 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:31.280 I've always said it's the season we wait longest for 36 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.719 and it goes by the fastest. Nobody ever said, man, 37 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.840 that NBA season just flew by. Nobody ever said, oh, 38 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.680 that NHL or that baseball season flew by. But we 39 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:42.799 always talk about football season like it was a blink 40 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:43.560 of an eye. 41 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:44.400 No doubt, no doubt. 42 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.560 So Ryle's on a Wednesday afternoon, I have to ask you, 43 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.760 Early Signing Day hot or not? 44 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.239 I would say not. 45 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:59.159 I feel like the transfer portal has overtaken. 46 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:00.799 National Signing Day? Does that make sense? 47 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.680 In the old days, we were all about the signing 48 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:08.199 day and press conferences and who I just feel like 49 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:11.439 everybody is like, Okay, that's great, but most of these 50 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.400 kids aren't even going to play for a couple of years, 51 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.439 if or even with our program in a few years. 52 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.840 The transfer portal opens next week. Who can we go 53 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.000 out and get Yeah? 54 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:21.199 No, I'm with you there. 55 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.199 I wonder how many of our listeners have any sort 56 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.400 of context or frame or reference as to why I'm 57 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.599 posing the question that way. But we don't need to 58 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:32.000 dig into it any further. I will ask you, Yeah, 59 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.759 a different time. It was a different time, for sure, 60 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:37.319 in a lot of different ways. Bill, a different time. 61 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.680 But I'll ask you. I'm not going I mean, I've 62 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:41.800 got the list in front of you. We're doing kind 63 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:45.080 of just live tracking here. Instead of going down the list, 64 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.879 I'll just ask you, is there any buzz about any 65 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.280 of these young players that Utah has locked in that 66 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:51.680 you're hearing about up on the Hill. 67 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.080 No, I mean it's kind of quiet today to be 68 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.560 really fair. Again, I just think even schools and universities 69 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.680 they're publicizing it, but it's just not quite what it was. 70 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.520 It's very interesting to me that the quarterback they landed, 71 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.599 not the kid from southern California, but the Texas State 72 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:15.400 commit flipped just a couple of days ago. You know, 73 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.800 does that have anything to do with a potential offensive 74 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:23.319 coordinator Flip. And then the Thatcher kid, the linebacker, who 75 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.199 I think is going to be a really really good 76 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:27.759 kid too. I like him a lot as well. But 77 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.319 it's just so hard today. It used to be oh man, 78 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.759 which one of these guys is going to play next year? 79 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:34.080 You know? 80 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:35.599 What are they going to be in a couple of years? 81 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.879 And now it's just kind of like, Okay, I hope 82 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.120 they stick around to develop because college football's become such 83 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.120 a here and now, Spence. It's not about you know, 84 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.159 you know, being in a program two or three years 85 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.159 in biding your time. It's about, okay, how quickly you're 86 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:54.560 going to get on the field. And if I can't 87 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:56.000 get on the field, where can I go and get 88 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:56.439 on the field? 89 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:56.680 Now? 90 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:57.520 Yeah? 91 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:59.599 Yeah, well okay, so let's just move on from it. 92 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.039 Then there's really nothing to dig into. And as I 93 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.240 tell our listeners, we'll continued to update Shah on the 94 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.159 breaking news that comes down if any of us rolls 95 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:10.120 our way, but we do. We are in a spot now. 96 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.520 We're waiting to hear who the play caller is going 97 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.039 to be next year. As far as the OC. The 98 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:17.439 offensive coordinator Ben Rbuckle, who was the name that was 99 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.639 kind of floated out ends up at Oklahoma after doing 100 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:22.319 a really good job on the polue. So I'll just 101 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.160 ask you if any buzz you're hearing anything about any names, 102 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:26.959 any idea when we may hear an announcement. 103 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.439 I think, well, I think it's the priority right now. 104 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.040 I mean, I think the longer this goes, it feels 105 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.879 more and more to me like Kyle Whittingham's coming back. 106 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.879 I don't know anything, I honest with people have I've 107 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.480 been bombarded all day long with text messages for the 108 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.040 last four or five days. Kyle's been very hush about it. 109 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.560 He told me over the weekend with Weary more Lander. 110 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:48.279 He goes, hey, I'll let you know if something changes. 111 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.079 I'm like, great, thanks. I haven't heard anything from him. 112 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:54.959 So so I think if we're going to play the car, 113 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.120 you know, it's always there's not going to be a 114 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.519 press conference. If Kyle Whittingham comes back, might be release 115 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:02.560 says hey I'm back for a couple more years whatever. 116 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.959 But I'm approaching this as business as usual. So to 117 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.240 your point, the offensive coordinator is the most important hire 118 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:13.519 right now. I do know that they coveted the Arbuckle 119 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.839 OC from Washington State, and a lot of people saw 120 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:21.279 that connection and bringing the Materier kid his quarterback with him. Well, 121 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.920 Oklahoma apparently swept in last second and must have made 122 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.480 him an offer he couldn't refuse because he's now in Norman, Oklahoma. 123 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.480 My guess is the quarterback Matier goes with him. So 124 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.720 now it's on to the next I'm reading a lot 125 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.240 of the same stuff that you're reading. I do know 126 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:43.360 that this name, the mac Leftwich name from Texas State 127 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.000 is somebody I even heard a week or two ago 128 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:50.360 when our Buckle's name was starting to come up too. 129 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.480 He runs a really good offense. It's a balanced offense. 130 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.240 They throw it quite a bit, but they run it 131 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.839 as well. At Texas State. He's one of those young 132 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.480 and up and coming former college quarterbacks. Really done some 133 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:05.079 good things, one of those hot young names. People say 134 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.600 Texas State. Well, Texas State's pretty good program and he's 135 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.319 had a lot of experience and he's recruited Texas So 136 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.079 I think that's a name to keep an eye on. 137 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.439 And then there's some other stuff out there as well. 138 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:19.959 I mean there's a guy at Tulane to people like 139 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:23.319 a lot. They've mentioned the ULV coach, although he might 140 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.240 have plans to go bigger or try and get a 141 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.279 head coaching job, But I think the name that's intriguing 142 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.639 to me right now is the OC from Texas State, 143 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:32.680 mac Lethwich. 144 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:35.800 So you I want to follow up you touched on 145 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.040 coach with But I want to follow up because of course, 146 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.399 as you know, I mean, if I'm getting text ryles, 147 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.279 I can't imagine what your phone is sounding like and 148 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.199 looking like with everybody really wanting to know what's going 149 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.639 to happen. And I started the show off today surmising 150 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.439 that because there is no news, I do believe that 151 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:57.319 means he's coming back. And I suppose the exception would 152 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.800 be if he hasn't decided. But that seems pretty anti 153 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.199 Kyle to me. He's not a wishy, washy like emotional guy. 154 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:05.600 He strikes me as the type there would just decide 155 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.399 and boom, move on to whatever's next. And I don't 156 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.120 think he would put Morgan in a spot of ambiguity, 157 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.439 and I don't think he would put the program or 158 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.800 Mark Carlan the ad in a spot of like okay, 159 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.639 wondering what the deal is? So for me the fact 160 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:20.720 that there is no news does me and the coach 161 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.360 with will be back on the sidelines for Utah? 162 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.399 Is that kind of where your head is at right now? 163 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:26.319 Give me your thoughts on that. 164 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.360 Yeah, just because he's talked so much Spence about doing 165 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:34.600 what's best for the program, because it's it's his program. 166 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:35.240 He's done. 167 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.040 He's sunk twenty years as head coach in thirty years 168 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.800 of his life at the University of Utah. 169 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:41.720 He is more. 170 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:45.639 Synonymous with this football program than probably any player that 171 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.439 played for him over the last twenty years. 172 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.519 And he's talked in the last couple of weeks. 173 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.680 About whatever his decision is, he was going to do 174 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.600 the best for the program. Well, holding out and making 175 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.600 a decision a week or ten days that isn't what's 176 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:00.759 best for the program. 177 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.920 And at least in my mind, you know, if you're 178 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:03.160 going to. 179 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.959 Make that decision, you make it, You make that change, 180 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:08.319 you let the new guy get in. That's Morgan Scalley 181 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.240 coach and waiting and go from there. So the fact 182 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.120 that we're sitting here on Wednesday now, maybe it has 183 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.160 something to do with National Signing Day. I don't know. 184 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.480 I don't think that's the case. But you know, it's 185 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:20.959 not as if you just started thinking about it Friday 186 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.879 after the game. It's probably been something he's been mulling 187 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:26.079 over for a little while. So the fact that we're 188 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.360 sitting here on Wednesday and we've really heard no news, 189 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.959 I'm kind of with you. I don't know this again, 190 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:35.000 no news, you know, officially to Bill Riley, But my 191 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:38.759 inkling would be because he's talked about doing what's right 192 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.159 and what's best for the program, it kind of feels 193 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:42.879 like it's trending toward him returning. 194 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:44.960 Yeah, I'm with you on that, all right. 195 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.679 There was a rumor yesterday that Noah Flafida was hitting 196 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:48.600 the transfer portal. 197 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:49.879 That has been dispelled. 198 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:53.600 Noah's father told the ESPN that he's staying at Arizona. 199 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.759 I only bring it up, Bill, because yesterday I was 200 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.480 just kind of talking aloud about the possibility of you 201 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.039 Ti hitting the transfer portal to find quarterback. You watched 202 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.360 every game up close, You called all these games up close. 203 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.159 Do you feel like the answer under center is in 204 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.159 the room or in the transfer portal? 205 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.480 I think you probably have to go find somebody. Spence, 206 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:13.639 I do. 207 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.399 I think I like some of the stuff I saw 208 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.480 from Brandon Rose. I do, and Brandon's got a couple 209 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.840 of years left of eligibility. But you know, I to me, 210 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.360 and it's really going to be up to the new 211 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.519 offensive coordinator, whoever that happens to be, to evaluate what 212 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.519 his room looks like. But I think the head coach 213 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.919 knows they have to have somebody, you know. I think 214 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.639 Isaac Wilson could still be a terrific quarterback. But Isaac 215 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.759 Wilson was thrown into a tough situation as a true freshman, 216 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.320 and I think it takes a little time to marinate. Heck, 217 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.440 look look at Dylan Ryola Spence who's at Nebraska. He 218 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.519 was supposed to be the second coming of Patrick Mahomes 219 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.240 this year and he's just been okay. He's had a 220 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.399 lot of downs and ups. I just think it's tough 221 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.679 at the power forward level as a true freshman without 222 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.840 any game experience to come in and be successful. So 223 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.720 I still think I'm still a guy that thinks Isaac 224 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.840 Wilson could be a big quarterback. But I think redshirting 225 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.679 for a year and maybe sitting back and looking and 226 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:19.399 watching would be very beneficial. 227 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:20.279 I think that was the plan. 228 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.240 I think the plan all along was sit and learn 229 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.120 from Cam Rising for a year, but obviously that went sideways. 230 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:29.120 So to me, I think you're probably going to shop 231 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:30.759 the portal and try and find somebody. 232 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.759 So as of now, I believe, at least from what 233 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.879 I understand today, and certainly pieces of news I could 234 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.000 have missed. But is it only Jalen Glover who said 235 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:42.679 the transfer portal from the utes. 236 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:43.840 Or anybody else they've lost. 237 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.000 I feel like the only name I've heard of note 238 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:47.759 has been Jalen and he left prior to the end 239 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:48.240 of the season. 240 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.600 Yeah, I think I saw a couple of notes that 241 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:57.399 some not frontline guys, some guys that were maybe reserve players. 242 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.759 Maybe it hit the portal, But yeah, you're right, there's 243 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.080 been nobody of note that has hit the portal. In fact, 244 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.399 you've seen some of the guys on social media, the 245 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:10.519 Spencer Fanos and the Cam Calhouns and the smith Snowdens, 246 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:16.039 some of these really good, young, talented cornerstone pieces kind 247 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.879 of reaffirmed they're coming back. In twenty five, Logan Fano 248 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.879 did the same thing, So, yeah, Glover hit it up. 249 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.120 You know, a week or so ago, I saw a 250 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.720 couple of you know kind of reserve type players that 251 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.320 maybe did, but nobody of note. 252 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.960 Well, that's excellent news, and obviously there's plenty of time. 253 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.080 The portal officially opens on the ninth. So here's how 254 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.399 I'll pose the question to you, Bill, what gives you 255 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.559 the most confidence that this year was an anomaly and 256 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.080 a moment in time as opposed to the new normal 257 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:45.840 for Utah. 258 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.639 Football because we haven't seen dips like this. It was 259 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:52.960 back to back, I mean a year ago. 260 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:54.240 You know. 261 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:55.720 I teach the class up of to you, and I 262 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.240 had one of the kids in my class the other 263 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:01.279 day make a presentation on Utah football and what it was, 264 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.440 and he brought up an interesting stat. Had Utah Football's 265 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:08.080 offense simply averaged twenty four points a game this year, 266 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.799 they would have gone I think nine to three. Had 267 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.200 they averaged twenty eight points a game this year, I 268 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.559 think he said, they would have gone ten and two. 269 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.000 Twenty eight points to twenty four points are double digit 270 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.440 points lower than what they averaged the two years they 271 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.799 won the Pac twelve championship. It just hasn't been like this. 272 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.840 I think injuries and attrition and a little bit of 273 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.639 bad luck have Befallen this team. The defense was still outstanding. 274 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:39.519 They were in every game in the fourth quarter, with 275 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.679 the exception of I think the Colorado game where they 276 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.600 were double digits down there, But besides that, they were 277 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.440 in every game. Just some pretty average quarterback play this 278 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.440 year Spence and Utah would have been I'm not going 279 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:54.440 to say it would have won the pack. 280 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:55.679 I don't know if they would. 281 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.600 Have won the Big twelve, but averaged to slightly above 282 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.519 average quarterback play and they would have been in that 283 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.000 discussion last weekend with BYU and ASU and c is 284 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.600 in Colorado and Iowa State. So that to me says 285 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.720 there's still a lot of talent in the program, but 286 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.919 they've got to get it fixed at the most important position. 287 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:17.360 Which leads me to Cameron. 288 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.600 Of course, when coach Witt was asked about Cam potentially 289 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.840 coming back for year number eight, which is just it's 290 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.159 so crazy to think about the potential, but that's the 291 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.080 deal now, Kyle said it's up to him. I wonder 292 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.919 what Kyle would do if Cam called him and said, hey, 293 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:35.960 I got to talk to you, enrolled into the coach's 294 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.679 office and said I've thought about it. There's some Nile 295 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.000 money out there, and I've decided to come back for 296 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.240 your aid. If we take Kyle at his word, he 297 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.200 just opens the door, right, Like, what do you think 298 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.840 Coach Witt does if that scenario presents itself That. 299 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.120 I don't know, because I don't. 300 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.840 It's hard to, you know, after back to back seasons 301 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:59.120 were Cam. I mean Cam's been here five years and 302 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:03.679 he has been hurt season ending injuries in three of 303 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.360 those five years. We all forget the COVID year where 304 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:11.080 he hurt his shoulder in that USC first second game 305 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.399 of the year, and then of course you had the 306 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.919 end of the Rose Bowl, and then he missed the 307 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.799 entire season, and then this year too. That's a lot 308 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:23.080 of track record of injury to bring back. I'm not 309 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.759 saying somebody wouldn't give him a chance. I'm not even 310 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:29.039 saying Utah wouldn't. But boy, you really have to weigh 311 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.000 that because you see guys all the time. 312 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:32.600 Once you start. 313 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:36.080 Getting hurt, that tends to be your kind of tells 314 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:39.120 you the body is just not taking and recovering the 315 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:40.039 same way it used to. 316 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.200 So I think it'd be a really tough. 317 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:44.840 Decision, and I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as 318 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:46.879 to what Kyle and his staff will do again, though 319 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.200 I think it's up to the offensive coordinator too. Spence, 320 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.440 you're bringing in an offensive coordinator, and in theory Kyle said, 321 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:55.960 it's got to be a guy that's running a new 322 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.240 and different system. It's got to be plug and play. 323 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.159 The new OC has to be on board with who 324 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:04.879 his QB is because that's the most important position on 325 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.159 the field. So I would think it would be a 326 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.720 kind of a co op decision between head coach and 327 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.000 OC as to whether they brought him back. 328 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:13.679 You know. 329 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:15.320 The other thing, Bill and I don't know how much 330 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.559 meat is on this bone, but I did hear several 331 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.159 people surmised last year that the fact that Cameron was 332 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:26.279 coming back potentially may have scared some quarterback prospects to play, 333 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.919 you know, wanting to come play here because they simply 334 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.120 didn't want to be as backup. 335 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.399 Those are just rumors. I have no idea, But. 336 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.320 I think the other side of it is if Utah 337 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.200 wants to be aggressive in the transfer portal to go 338 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:40.440 get one of these top shelf qbs to be here 339 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:43.000 for a year or two, it might just be better 340 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.320 for both parties to say Hey, thanks for the memories. 341 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.159 But you walk that way, I'll walk this way and 342 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.399 we part in love type thing. I mean, that's just 343 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:50.600 kind of what my gut tells me. 344 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:54.279 Well, yeah, I mean, if you're serious about shopping in 345 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.840 the portal for a bit, nobody that's no Noah Fafido 346 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.240 or John Mattier is coming here that they're coming here 347 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:04.320 to be the guy. That's what they're coming here to be. 348 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.639 They're coming here to be the starting quarterback. And they've 349 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.440 got a chance to. You know, again, everybody I under 350 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.360 said you've got to win the job in fall camp. 351 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.320 Blah blah blah. But but it's the unwint and wink wink. 352 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.360 As long as you show up and play hard, you're 353 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.559 gonna that's that's the thing. So you've got to really 354 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:23.960 make your choice. If you're Utah, you're either bringing Cam 355 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.039 rising back or you're going in the portal and shopping 356 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.240 for a big time you know, transfer quarterback. 357 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:32.039 Yeah, only time will tell. 358 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:33.679 Okay, one more football thing, then I want to do 359 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.960 a little basketball with you. We got Saint Mary's on Saturday, 360 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.120 which should be an interesting test for Craig. And look, 361 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.519 I honestly don't know if there's anything here, But I 362 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.399 do know that BYU, you're one of the Big Twelve, 363 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:49.440 talked a lot about the lessons they learned in their 364 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.320 first year in the conference. Now, the main difference here 365 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.000 and real important line of delineation is Utah football played 366 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.840 a decade of P five football, then P four football 367 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:03.600 now with the Pac twelve, and BYU football independent was 368 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.599 not a P four P five program. 369 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.200 They did not have that schedule. 370 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.799 Year and in, year out, So the one year adjustment period 371 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.559 for them just makes more sense in my mind than 372 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.039 it would for Utah. But are there lessons to be 373 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.759 learned for Utah football year one in a new conference? 374 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:22.440 So maybe Utah next year, like BYU year two, can 375 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.200 turn some of those close losses into wins and then 376 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:27.279 be potentially looking to be in the race for the 377 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:28.279 conference championship. 378 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.079 Is there is there any meat on that bone? 379 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.799 I think there's small lessons Spence, and I think it's 380 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.799 more specific to opponents or venues or styles of play. 381 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:42.440 But to be fair, I don't I don't think that 382 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.960 the Big I think the Big Twelve was very competitive, 383 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.519 but I don't think it was any better a league 384 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.480 or certainly at the top than what Utah saw for 385 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.480 thirteen years in the PAC twelve. I don't think there 386 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.759 was a roster adjustment or a talent level. I don't 387 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.400 think there was a disparity in talent between the two 388 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.079 leagues by any means. So if there were any lessons, 389 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:08.000 they were maybe smaller lessons about opponents in particular, or 390 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.000 how coaches like the coach against you, or styles of 391 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:12.279 play more than anything else. 392 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.480 You saw both teams up close. 393 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:16.759 Who do you like Iowa State Arizona State coming up 394 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:17.759 Saturday in Arlington. 395 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.160 I think I like Arizona State. It kind of feels 396 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.440 like a team of destiny this year. It kind of 397 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:29.599 feels like Kenny Kenny Dillingham has found something there. I 398 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.400 like Levit a lot. That being said, I did say this, 399 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:36.880 I think Iowa State is the most balanced team Utah 400 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:39.559 played this year. May have been the best team on 401 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.759