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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, it's the bouncer who pretends to check your idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But who are we kidding? Ali Ward, I'm her. This

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<v Speaker 1>which case please leave. Okay, bye bye? Now okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gone. Cool, Okay, So let's get into Dick's with

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<v Speaker 1>an ologist who wrote the actual book on them. She

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<v Speaker 1>has a PhD in Biological sciences from the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Texas at Austin and authored the book Fallacy Life Lessons

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<v Speaker 1>from the Animal Penis. And you have read her words,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps enjoyed her RYE. Candor in Scientific American American Scientist, Forbes, Slate,

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<v Speaker 1>and more. She's taught biology and genetics. I became aware

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<v Speaker 1>of her book and I begged her to talk boners

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<v Speaker 1>with me. And then life got busy and she gently

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<v Speaker 1>popped up in my inbox And what followed was a

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<v Speaker 1>business email that included the word dong several times in

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<v Speaker 1>all caps. And here we are, so before though we

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<v Speaker 1>get to the nuts and the bolts of inflatable crotches,

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<v Speaker 1>dat I sent hux. Okay, let's get into it. Philology

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<v Speaker 1>it's a word. It is derived from the proto Indo

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<v Speaker 1>European root to swell, which is swell indeed, So buckle up.

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready to hear about pronged dongs, myths about toxic masculinity,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest members of the animal Kingdom, Life beyond a Binary,

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<v Speaker 1>the gift shop that keeps on giving, And reasons you

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<v Speaker 1>might affix a metal dick to your baby Now as

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<v Speaker 1>deep as we went. This whole episode could have just

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<v Speaker 1>been miles long, and we touched on as many penis

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<v Speaker 1>questions as possible. And even as I record this, more

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<v Speaker 1>info is just gushing in. I'll be adding into the

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<v Speaker 1>very very end, So stay tuned for trivia tricks and

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<v Speaker 1>of course just the tips with scientists author and philologist

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Emily Willingham.

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<v Speaker 2>First name is Emily, last name is Willingham, unless you're British,

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<v Speaker 2>in which case apparently it's Willingham and my pronouns or

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, philology? Did you know it existed?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I personally know it existed?

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<v Speaker 4>I did?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point in my life I did learn of

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<v Speaker 2>its existence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you call yourself a philologist? No?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you start?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's great?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine that? I mean, people be like, what

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<v Speaker 3>what do you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, tell me a little bit about how

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<v Speaker 1>long your life has involved the dick.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see so that there's so many ways to answer

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<v Speaker 2>that question. I mean, you know, with sex life or

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<v Speaker 2>research life, or let's start, let's say the research. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>becaus I don't want to get too private for people

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<v Speaker 2>who aren't here to consent to that, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I actually started out with gonads because I

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<v Speaker 2>any story. And yeah, so I did my PhD was

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<v Speaker 2>a focus on gonads, but I when I did my

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<v Speaker 2>post doc, what we focused on was penises. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was like two thousand and two when I started getting

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me about why your research pointed in

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<v Speaker 1>that direction? What was it about gonads and dogs?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's so weird, but I'm just really

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<v Speaker 2>into reproductive biology. I don't know why. I have an

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<v Speaker 2>English degree and when I went to biological sciences. I

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<v Speaker 2>or something from the school I attended was University of

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<v Speaker 2>Texas at Austin, and looking through like what the researchers did,

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<v Speaker 3>I put actually drew little hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>I was way too old to be doing this next

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<v Speaker 2>to these two labs, the pictures of the pis and

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<v Speaker 2>two labs that did this kind of work, and I just,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it just that's just what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't explain it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>She just loved it. A light bulb went off of

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<v Speaker 1>fire ignited in her soul, and doctor Willingham was like,

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<v Speaker 1>go nats have my whole heart. Is the work? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it very hands on or is it a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>lab work? How does that work?

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<v Speaker 3>It is hands on?

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<v Speaker 2>And actually what that means in a more serious note,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a lot of times it's hands on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with animals, and they don't survive the hands on goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, there's not a lot of selaciousness to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is basic research, so you do kind of

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<v Speaker 2>learn about what makes these things tick.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you find that because of what you were studying

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<v Speaker 1>to dinner parties? Is like this is Emily She said sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know no, but I used to write about

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<v Speaker 2>what I did and say, you know, if you start,

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<v Speaker 2>If I started to talk about it parties, feed was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of back away slowly, like what do you do? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I study gonads and it was just like okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>so I decided maybe that's not a party word, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't say gonads at a party. Maybe, And but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I do actually get a ton of questions from

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<v Speaker 2>people about penises all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it just easier to write a book?

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not easy to write a book, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was incredibly fun to write a book that was this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff is interesting. Can't get away from how interesting it is,

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<v Speaker 2>oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure if people do start asking questions, you

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<v Speaker 1>can just say, please.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's a book. I write a book. Can you buy

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<v Speaker 3>the book I wrote?

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<v Speaker 1>So let's I guess start at the base if we shall,

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<v Speaker 1>and can you explain what is a penis or a

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<v Speaker 1>phallis in atomical terms?

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<v Speaker 3>Holy cow?

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a big question because I mean, across the

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<v Speaker 2>animal kingdom, what they're made out of varies enormously. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in the world of penis research or the

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<v Speaker 2>Genitalia researchers of the world, you discovered that they actually

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<v Speaker 2>also like to ark you a lot about what actually

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<v Speaker 2>makes a penis, or at least some of them do.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're just bored.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so not everything is a penis that we call

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<v Speaker 2>a penis depending on whom you talk to. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you take a human or a mammalian version of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they humans don't have a bone, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of mammals do. So there's a bone in the

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<v Speaker 2>bone and that's called the os penis actually, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>let's see, smooth muscle which we can't contract, you know, voluntarily,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, our body's going to have to do

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<v Speaker 2>that for us. And they have blood vessels, and they

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<v Speaker 2>have spongy tissue that you know, you can get get

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<v Speaker 2>filled with blood as we all might might know, i know,

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<v Speaker 2>be familiar with that. And yeah, and then of course

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<v Speaker 2>there's skin and running through it has skin on it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is good. And then running through running down the

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<v Speaker 2>center of it is a urethra and most commonly that

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<v Speaker 2>exits at the tip of it, and the tip of it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a little helmet on it. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>foreskin and that's the glands, and then the longer part

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<v Speaker 2>of it's called the shaft.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you have it, like a realator giving you

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<v Speaker 1>a tour of a quaint homichelong. So that's form. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk function and then we'll talk fine and does something

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a sperm delivery device to be considered

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<v Speaker 1>a penis?

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<v Speaker 2>So it not really because there no there are things

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<v Speaker 2>that delivers firm that are that don't dot are not penises,

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<v Speaker 2>and it gets very complex.

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<v Speaker 3>So I used to describe penis as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Sperm delivery systems if that was back when I was young,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful and innocent and didn't know what I was talking about. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>still teaching biology to freshmen and the universities. But the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is that lots of different things are used to

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<v Speaker 2>transmit sperm. Sometimes feet in your billipede, for example, And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes the penis doesn't really do that at all. You

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of load up the penis, you transfer its

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<v Speaker 2>contents to some other body part, and then you insert

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<v Speaker 2>the sperm. So there are lots of ways to get

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<v Speaker 2>that into a partner without using a penis.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes the penis is just the cocking gun. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some quick flim flam. I think obviously culturally

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<v Speaker 1>there's a big binary in terms of like, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a penis, you are a man, it transmits sperm. You

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<v Speaker 1>do not have a penis, you're a woman. But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>in your studies there's a lot of gray areas, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, our problem is a species is. We

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<v Speaker 2>really like to categorize things, and we don't like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of categories, which is not fans of it. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to make two, and we like to just

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<v Speaker 2>squeeze everything we can into those two categories. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>nature has other ideas. The subtitle of my focused life

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<v Speaker 2>Lessons from the Animal Penis, And one of the lessons

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<v Speaker 2>is is that you know, penises don't make an animal male,

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<v Speaker 2>and not all male animals have them, and in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases animals that make eggs actually have the structure that

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<v Speaker 2>transmits sperm to a partner, inserts into and transmits sperm

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<v Speaker 2>into a partner. And I mean, I think we know

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<v Speaker 2>from being human beings that a penis doesn't make a man,

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<v Speaker 2>and a man doesn't always have a penis. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's way more, way more complicated than the two buckets

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<v Speaker 2>we like so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold up, let's back up here. Who does what with

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<v Speaker 1>a what? And what kind of animals were you just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about who have sperm but or who have eggs?

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<v Speaker 1>And what types of animals do that?

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<v Speaker 2>So there are a couple, one is to be pretty

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<v Speaker 2>well known, which is the seahorse, and they don't what

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<v Speaker 2>they use isn't really technically a penis. There I made

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<v Speaker 2>a term in the boat because across different kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>groups of species, people have so many different names for

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<v Speaker 2>these organs. They call them so many different things, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I just needed one term that captured it, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I decided on intro mim because intromission is inserting

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<v Speaker 2>an organ into something and transmitting gammis.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, that was an intromittent.

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<v Speaker 2>Organ, and so the sea horse doesn't really have this technically.

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<v Speaker 2>What the seahorse does is that the female, the one

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<v Speaker 2>into the male pouch and then the male broods them.

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<v Speaker 2>And when that happens, there's just this tiny little moment

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<v Speaker 2>in the male, and you know, it fuses with the

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<v Speaker 1>So the lady seahorse uses an ovipositor to jiz eggs

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<v Speaker 1>into the boy seahorse, and he is like doins with

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<v Speaker 1>might just gently sprinkle and then he incubates them. And

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<v Speaker 1>some cave insects, Emily told me, have an ovipositor that

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<v Speaker 1>And that clutch info was published in a twenty fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>and mystery. Let's do it. But back to seahorses. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Were you aware of that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, actually that does ring a bell performance. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. Can we talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about in humans, where does a glitterist and where does

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<v Speaker 1>the same structural way and then they divide or sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>with intersex humans divisions will be less binary. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of can you talk about the bulb of it all? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I'm actually a developmental biologist, and so this is

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<v Speaker 2>into talking about the early structure is called a genital tubercle,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just a little nub that develops, and then

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<v Speaker 2>what happens next really depends on what hormones are available,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of regardless of which animal with the backbone you are.

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<v Speaker 2>If you start out with this little genital tubercle nub

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<v Speaker 2>and in us, if there's a hormone these are steroid hormones,

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<v Speaker 2>a hormone called dihydro testosterone, which is a version of testosterone,

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<v Speaker 2>then the urethra and that genital tubercle will start to

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<v Speaker 2>elongate and you get what we call a penis. If

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<v Speaker 2>there's a different kind of hormone present, and dihydrot tyestosterone

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<v Speaker 2>isn't present, then that elongation doesn't occur and the urethra

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<v Speaker 2>stays short. And what I used to tell my sons

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<v Speaker 2>when they ask me why some people at penises some

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<v Speaker 2>people don't, I would just say, well, some people just

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<v Speaker 2>have a shorter urethra because I didn't when we don't

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<v Speaker 2>want them to get all caught up and you know

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<v Speaker 2>some of the other binary stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how come even in an enlarged glitterist we

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<v Speaker 1>don't pee out of.

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<v Speaker 2>It in the case of development, and without the dihydrotyestosterone present, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the urethra goes in one direction, and that is just

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<v Speaker 2>underneath where the glitterus is.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you find, especially in writing this book, when you

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<v Speaker 1>were deep in the creation process of it, did you

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<v Speaker 1>just see dicks everywhere you went?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely outside the window where I sit in my house

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<v Speaker 2>where I work, there's a hillside and it just has

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<v Speaker 3>I swear to.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I've been looking at it now for the longest time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just looks like a penis and testes out there.

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<v Speaker 3>It just does.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it every day, so yes, yes, that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thoughts on Darth Vader.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching that the other day, as one does, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at him, and I, you know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>that part of it, and it really does look like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But also it's oddly just the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really large for the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't really know why they did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does Darth look dickish? I had to know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I sniffed down a few happy trails, one of which

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<v Speaker 1>asserted that they were a nod to Nazi helmets ill

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<v Speaker 1>but then a few other sources said that George Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to kind of tip his hat toward Samurai culture,

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<v Speaker 1>so designers based it on a helmet of a sixteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century Japanese warrior, Data Masamune, And if you google it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, yeah, Darth Vader is just Data Masamune cosplay.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we know why he is shaped like one

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<v Speaker 1>of those, but on the flip side. And when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the head of the penis, can you explain

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<v Speaker 1>why does it look like a Darth Vader helmet?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know it can only infer.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, there are lots of people, not lots,

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<v Speaker 2>but some people have tried to explain it as, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's my favorite thing. It's a plunger or something like

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<v Speaker 2>it plunges semen out of a woman out of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the partner's reagina, because you're trying to get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>that because you're.

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<v Speaker 3>The next guy in a line.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just thinking, you know, I know people are

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<v Speaker 2>really various and how they do things, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't just have I mean, why a run

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<v Speaker 2>into bed and have partners lined about the door so

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<v Speaker 2>that they can come in one up to the other

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<v Speaker 2>and just plunge the vagina, you know, and get their

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<v Speaker 2>semen in line. So that's kind of a funny way

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it. And I mean, people have hypothesized

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of reasons, but nobody has a direct explanation

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is that sort of the leading hypothesis for now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I think that the people who are proposing

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<v Speaker 2>that were leading with something else when they thought that

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<v Speaker 2>that when they decided that or proposed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had heard that it was to clean things out,

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<v Speaker 1>but and I just accepted, like, Okay, that must be

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<v Speaker 1>what it's for. But it's interesting that it might maybe

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<v Speaker 1>could have served aerodynamic purposes as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say clean things out, really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why you like that seems plausible. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have found it plausible, But there's not.

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<v Speaker 2>In the way that humans made and the made structure

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<v Speaker 2>that we have, it doesn't make a ton of sense

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<v Speaker 2>that there would be a need to clean things out.

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<v Speaker 2>And also just the way sperm travels so quickly and

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<v Speaker 2>how all of that works, that wouldn't work anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's be a little too late.

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<v Speaker 2>For that to really have an effect, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really that impressive. Mean, one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 2>write about in the book is that our penis is

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<v Speaker 2>not particularly impressive. It doesn't have a lot of adormans.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't suggest that there's a lot of competition with

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<v Speaker 2>like the males having sex with a female or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, which you see in a lot of other species,

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<v Speaker 2>because when that happens, those penises have all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>things on them, like spikes and hooks, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just really fancy looking, and ours.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't like that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They're very fancy, fancy folly is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. Humans with penises not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>bells and whistles, but there are a lot of balls

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<v Speaker 1>and whiskers. Anyway, Doctor Willingham says that our partner structure

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty chick well compared to some other organisms. I

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<v Speaker 1>did want to ask about that if you could walk

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<v Speaker 1>us through maybe a gallery of highlights of some dogs

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<v Speaker 1>in the animal Kingdom, some really some notable ones.

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<v Speaker 2>The most notable dongs in the animal Kingdom. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>sort of mentioned the millipedese because they just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>kill me because they have this pair of legs that

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<v Speaker 2>they use, and there's another pair that serves up the semen.

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<v Speaker 2>But before they do that, they first test the partner

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<v Speaker 2>with like an uncharged pair of legs. They're like, poke,

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<v Speaker 2>and if it seems like it works okay, which I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the one possible explanation for that, they're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this the right species? Is this a millipede? You

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<v Speaker 2>know you're going to make sure. But then then they

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<v Speaker 2>get their the legs and they draw up the semen

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<v Speaker 2>from another pair of legs and then use them for real,

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of I don't know, that just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>amazes me. Another one that amazes me or this these

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<v Speaker 2>swallow tail butterflies, and what do I understand other butterfly

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<v Speaker 2>species may have this is but they have light receptors

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<v Speaker 2>on their genitalia fancy, which means they can detect light

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<v Speaker 2>with their genitalia.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine if you could detect light with your genitalia.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Absolutely changes the rave scene seriously, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Changes a lot, like what would you do?

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<v Speaker 2>So that one's also I really sort of enjoy that

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about dut penises all the time because they're

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<v Speaker 2>cork screw shave holistic and I'm honestly kind of over them.

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<v Speaker 2>Just some like okay, fine, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're not yet over that fact, great news.

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<v Speaker 1>I have more dick duck gossip. Okay, so most birds

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<v Speaker 1>do not have release. Ninety seven percent of them happily dickless.

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<v Speaker 1>They just perform a little chloacal kiss is what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>They gingerly smash buttholes and boom, you've got baby birds.

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<v Speaker 1>But ducks not only have wings, they have ones that

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<v Speaker 1>can be longer than their entire bodies and are spiraled

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<v Speaker 1>like a tightly wound curly fry. And likewise, duck vaginas

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<v Speaker 1>are just a spiral staircase of resistance, replete with hidden

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<v Speaker 1>pockets and dead ends. And according to doctor Patricia Brennan,

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<v Speaker 1>a scientist who researches duck dicks, this likely evolved to

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<v Speaker 1>thwart male ducks forced copulation. As doctor Brennan explored in

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<v Speaker 1>a paper titled quote Explosive eversion and functional morphology of

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<v Speaker 1>the duck penis supports sexual conflict in waterfowl Genitalia. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>my good buddy, doctor Jason Coleman reported Vietnam GEO a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago that apparently a duck penis will shrink

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<v Speaker 1>during the off season and then get big and weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Again during a breeding frenzy. But if you're not the

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<v Speaker 1>dominant male in your duck posse, your dangle dangle may

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<v Speaker 1>just stay modest. But on the topic of small but mighty.

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<v Speaker 3>The flea is a bit daunting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a penis that is sort of like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, people is weird how many people have like

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<v Speaker 2>written poetically imp about fleas, like you know, John d

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing. But it has a penis

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<v Speaker 2>that like curls up inside of its body and basically

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<v Speaker 2>takes up the whole rear half of it and is

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times the length of the animal, And

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<v Speaker 2>even when it's inserted into a partner, there's still a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of its still inside. Yeah, I know, fleas

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<v Speaker 2>are just wacky.

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<v Speaker 1>John Dunn who okay, so he is a dead English

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<v Speaker 1>poet and a cleric who secretly married a lady and

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<v Speaker 1>had twelve kids with her and also wrote some sad

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<v Speaker 1>emo sonnets and some erotic ditties about books, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the Flea, which includes the lines it sucked me first

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<v Speaker 1>and now sucks thee and in this flea are two

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<v Speaker 1>bloods mingledly. So this was like straight up horny shit

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifteenth century and people were hot and sweaty

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<v Speaker 1>under their woolen vestments about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's one in the book. One of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite pictures in the book is of this penis of

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<v Speaker 2>fairly common snail in Australia. It's called felll Medusa selita

424
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<v Speaker 2>or Solida, and it's kind of it's like if a

425
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:12.799
<v Speaker 2>mop were put on top of Medusa's head and then

426
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.160
<v Speaker 2>she kind of wrapped a fancy late eighteenth century cravat

427
00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.839
<v Speaker 2>around her neck. That's what this thing would look like.

428
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:20.359
<v Speaker 2>It's really quite striking.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Is it true that barnacles have the biggest body to

430
00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:26.200
<v Speaker 1>member ratio?

431
00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I have this whole chapter on like, you know,

432
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:31.480
<v Speaker 2>who's like the big winner when it comes to you know,

433
00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.799
<v Speaker 2>the biggest penis. And so I don't know if you

434
00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.880
<v Speaker 2>how much you know about Charles Darwin's other interest besides

435
00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:39.480
<v Speaker 2>natural selection situation.

436
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:40.640
<v Speaker 3>But he wrote this like.

437
00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Four part gigantic set of monographs on barnacles, to the

438
00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:46.720
<v Speaker 2>point that he actually got kind of sick of them.

439
00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:48.440
<v Speaker 2>He just got you got to the point where he

440
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.960
<v Speaker 2>hated them, which is understandable.

441
00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:50.920
<v Speaker 3>But there was this.

442
00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:54.319
<v Speaker 2>One teeny teeny little barnacle. He found that at first

443
00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they thought was like a parasite or something. It turned

444
00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.599
<v Speaker 2>out to be the male version on the field, which

445
00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>is not uncommon. There are, you know, quite a few

446
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.880
<v Speaker 2>species where the male is teeny weeny. And then when

447
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>you got a close enough look at this thing, it's

448
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>penises like many times the size of its body. So

449
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.799
<v Speaker 2>it really does have the largest penis to body proportion

450
00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>of any animal. And if you wanted to go just like, well,

451
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.119
<v Speaker 2>what is just actually like the biggest penis on earth?

452
00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:22.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, guess what that is?

453
00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh, gosh, a whale.

454
00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the blue whale. Blue whale teps it. Oh god,

455
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<v Speaker 3>a sorry.

456
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Feet yeah, eight feet feet So if you know somebody

457
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>who's like six feet tall, add two feet to that

458
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's a blue average blue whale penis. I went

459
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:43.519
<v Speaker 2>to the icelandic Pellological Museum because you know, if you're

460
00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:45.440
<v Speaker 2>writing a book about penises, you kind of almost have

461
00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:47.759
<v Speaker 2>to do that. Yeah, and there are a ton you know,

462
00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it's Iceland, so there are a ton of whale penises

463
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 2>in that museum.

464
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<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine the gift shop.

465
00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:55.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the gearshop was hilarious.

466
00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Actually, the museum itself was a little sad to me

467
00:23:57.599 --> 00:23:59.799
<v Speaker 2>because of a bunch of penises, like you know, dis

468
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.839
<v Speaker 2>bodied from the animals, which uh huh, I don't know

469
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of. It was not uplifting to me, but the

470
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.240
<v Speaker 2>gift shop is hysterical. Really enjoyed the gift shop.

471
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Not uplifting.

472
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, there it is again.

473
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.319
<v Speaker 1>If you've just added the Phallological Museum to your travel

474
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.119
<v Speaker 1>bucket list, prepare for a whole gallery full of glass

475
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 1>columns stuffed with wings of all shapes and sizes, floating

476
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.119
<v Speaker 1>in cepia toned liquids. Just stroll through the gift shop

477
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and browse an array of designer condoms, creatively handled mugs,

478
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.599
<v Speaker 1>some penis pasta. They got ice cube trays, lots of

479
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 1>plush toys. They have human sized willie warmers and more,

480
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>including of course, some carved wooden bottle openers that just

481
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:49.920
<v Speaker 1>straight up look like a severed pecker who's thirsty. Not me.

482
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>That brings me to in terms of disembodied penises, what

483
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>animals in the natural world do have a gift shop

484
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>structure where the dong is broken off in a kind

485
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>of courtship offering. Like I understand that seminole plugs and

486
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 1>dicks just break off. In animals, octopuses will just break

487
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:17.519
<v Speaker 1>off a sperm paddle. Who's just like, I'm good, take it.

488
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:18.200
<v Speaker 4>You know.

489
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 2>It's this is an interesting question because there are two

490
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of different sort of things driving the loss of

491
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the penis here, and so in one case there might

492
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 2>be a sperm plug or a penis bit left behind.

493
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.839
<v Speaker 2>And there's some some people hypothesize that is too. That's

494
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 2>basically like you've just blocked the door to the tomb

495
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:43.039
<v Speaker 2>there nobody else can get in, and so it keeps

496
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:46.079
<v Speaker 2>other suitors from showing up and doing anything. On the

497
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Speaker 2>flip side of that, like, for example, there's an octopus

498
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 2>that is called the paper nautilus, and it is neither

499
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>paper nor a nautilus. Why we name things like we do,

500
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 2>but we do, And it's an argonaut octopus. And the

501
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>malest weenie compared to the female, and they're octopies. They're

502
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 2>not above just sort of eating each other. If they

503
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 2>get a chance to. She would make a snack out

504
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>of him. Maybe, you know, she got the opportunity. And

505
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.559
<v Speaker 2>one of those is a heccatalyst, which takes little sperm

506
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 2>packets and deposits them into the female, and this little

507
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>guy he's like, you just keep this thing because I

508
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.359
<v Speaker 2>need to get out of here. He's just kind of like,

509
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, sneaks up and like pokes it in there

510
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and swims way as fast a scam before the much

511
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 2>larger female decides.

512
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:31.279
<v Speaker 3>He also was lunch.

513
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.440
<v Speaker 2>And people used to find these females and find all

514
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>these little like squirmy tentacle things inside of him. They

515
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.720
<v Speaker 2>thought that they might be parasites or something that had

516
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>gotten in there.

517
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Literally just a bag of dicks. You are a bag

518
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.039
<v Speaker 1>of dicks. So perhaps it's not so much a ritual

519
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>courtshiped gift as it's more akin to just tossing it

520
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>all on red and then getting the hell out of dodge.

521
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>It's really much more about preservation than it is about

522
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:58.039
<v Speaker 1>generosity though.

523
00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, well, so in that case it is of courtship gifts.

524
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.599
<v Speaker 2>There are a species, probably one of the most famous

525
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 2>ones is the bush cricket, and you just do with

526
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.559
<v Speaker 2>that what you will, which is known for the size

527
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>of its nuptial gifts, which is semen and just like gallon,

528
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>seem will bay if you were if the crickets were

529
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>ir sized, just because an enormous amount of semen. But

530
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the thing is that semen has corrept and a nutrition

531
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.160
<v Speaker 2>in it, because you know, it's supporting the fur and

532
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the cells in there and all that. And so the

533
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 2>idea going idea about that is that it can support

534
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the female and the great deal of work that goes

535
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>on with you know, the development of new little members

536
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.319
<v Speaker 2>of a species. So that's a nuptial gift. There's a

537
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 2>scale of those. It could be here's a gigantic bolus

538
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>of semen all the way to here's my entire body

539
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>and joy.

540
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, this makes me wonder in terms of the

541
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>way that a sperm organ or just in general genitalia

542
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 1>are used. Is there any evidence that there's a ton

543
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>of nerve endings for all animals and that is incentive

544
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 1>to mate or is it just maybe humans or or

545
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>mammals that have a lot of nerves in the area.

546
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an interesting question that I do not know

547
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>the answer to. I don't know if they've looked at

548
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen anything that's comparative of like, well, the

549
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.240
<v Speaker 2>nerves are the nerves there. I will say that, for example,

550
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 2>some animals make these out of like plates on their

551
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 2>thorax like some insects do that, and so I don't

552
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:34.319
<v Speaker 2>know how much nerve ending like physiologically you would have

553
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.519
<v Speaker 2>anything to do with that part of it. These are

554
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>like the animals that go and kind of stab their

555
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, intrimittum into the partner and sort of leave

556
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>some semen and run away.

557
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Penis fencing. How often does it happen?

558
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Okay, I mean a lot. I mean

559
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 2>it's right, they do it. I have some of these

560
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 2>invertebrates do it, the slugs, but you know, I've never

561
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 2>actually asked them.

562
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know as they.

563
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Do it any sea slugs. Listening to this because I

564
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to congratulate you for the inviewable biology of

565
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>having two differing sets of jennies. Although yes, my condolence

566
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is that you have to use them as weaponry. See okay,

567
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.119
<v Speaker 1>So they fight until one gets stabbed with a dick

568
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 1>inseminates the other and it is like boo, yeah, I'm

569
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>out have fun raising my babies. I'll see and help brother. Well,

570
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess now, wife, So if you and your human

571
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>hinge date didn't have chemistry, but you didn't stand around

572
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 1>nude trying to impale each other with your crotch, and

573
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>then one of you fled without child support. I guess

574
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 1>you're doing Okay, I don't know. When it comes to mammals.

575
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the bone zone. Baculum, bacula, baculi. So

576
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>many mammals have bones in their boners.

577
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how about that? What do you think of that?

578
00:29:53.160 --> 00:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>And we don't and nobody, nobody's quite clear about why.

579
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>And nobody is even quite clear about why other species

580
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.559
<v Speaker 2>that have bones have them. But can I tell you?

581
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>The acronym for the taxa that do have them is

582
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>primates like chimps and that kind of stuff, except us,

583
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>we do not. Rodentia, so mice, rats, I kind of stuff, Insectivora,

584
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>which are those little furry things to eat bugs, Carnivora

585
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like bears, dogs and so on, and Corroptera with the bats.

586
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>And so you have primate, Redentia, Insectivora, Carnivora, and Corroptera.

587
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.400
<v Speaker 2>What is that spell prick? It spells prick. And then

588
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 2>if you add in they have found now belatedly like

589
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>this tiny You know what a pika is?

590
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

591
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, I love piica so much. So they occur

592
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>high altitudes are so cute, and if you can get

593
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>near them, you know, they throw their little hands in

594
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and go week. But they have these teeny teeny little

595
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 2>penis bones they've discovered and they're the lagomorphs, and so

596
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 2>if you add an L you have prickle.

597
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 1>So oh, oh, my god, too adorable. Why do you

598
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>think humans evolved not to have a penis bone? And

599
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 1>what does the penis bone do for animals that have them?

600
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing is that nobody's quite sure what

601
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>they're doing, Like they have all of these hypotheses about

602
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, what does the penis bone do? Does it

603
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>keep things in place for a while, for long enough

604
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:26.119
<v Speaker 2>for the copulation to complete, But nobody quite knows exactly why.

605
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 2>It is the boniest mystery around. It's such a mysterious thing,

606
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and nobody is quite sure why we lost ours. Evidently

607
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>we didn't need it, because otherwise it would have been

608
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 2>selection for it. Because God knows there's enough selection right

609
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>there where the genitalia rubber hits the road as it

610
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 2>work and it's gone so well.

611
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of God knows any history to substantiate that the

612
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 1>rib that is given to eve of atoms is actually

613
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>a baculum.

614
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, I had a little bit about that in

615
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the book and they had to take it occation out

616
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 2>of word space. But yeah, it's nonsense. They apparently the

617
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.079
<v Speaker 2>heap rew ward really doesn't mean rib and it was

618
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>never anything about yeh, so he took away Adam's bone

619
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 2>from his rib, except it was the rib way down

620
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 2>there bias testies somehow, and somebody got confused, you know, now.

621
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Ribbed for her pleasure.

622
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 3>I suppose, I suppose.

623
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And what about culturally like or what part of the

624
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 1>US are you from?

625
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm I was born in Waco, Texas.

626
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Actually I thought I detected a toy.

627
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, people mention it on occasion.

628
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Allan, I love accents. I'm not sorry. I would like

629
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to do a dialectology one day, please. Regional idiosyncrasies are

630
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 1>just very fascinating. Do you find in writing this book

631
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that you you came across a lot of different cultural

632
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 1>relationships with the phallis domestically I mean, obviously yes, globally,

633
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<v Speaker 1>But how how do people think differently of don depending

634
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<v Speaker 1>on where you're raised.

635
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question, And I'm not an anthropologist,

636
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<v Speaker 2>and so I can't speak to that with like a

637
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of expertise, but I did write about a little

638
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<v Speaker 2>bit in the last chapter, and is it varies so

639
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<v Speaker 2>much across cultures and time you probably read they wrote

640
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<v Speaker 2>some stories about this, and even some recent ones that

641
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 2>the Greeks apparently thought it was just kind of ghost

642
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<v Speaker 2>to have a giant penis, you know, and that you know,

643
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 2>it was much more desirable to have one that was

644
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of small and pencil ish. And then if you

645
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<v Speaker 2>ask people with the giinas who have sex with people

646
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>with penises, you find out that, like, the size thing

647
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<v Speaker 2>is just kind of like whoopedie doom, not the top

648
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<v Speaker 2>consideration at all.

649
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Listen. Was there a twenty thirteen study called penis size

650
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<v Speaker 1>interacts with body shape and height to influence male attractiveness

651
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 1>based on photos? Do they find that one hundred and

652
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<v Speaker 1>five female identifying people chose penises that were in the

653
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>ninety eighth percentile for size? Sure, but also, are we

654
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<v Speaker 1>usually picking partners when we have only looked at pictures

655
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<v Speaker 1>and they are nude Back when clothes were hair maybe,

656
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 1>but now usually know. Some studies have found that only

657
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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent of be vagina people can achieve orgasm through

658
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 1>penetration alone. Eighty percent can't so the clit kids is lit. Also,

659
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 1>the vagine is a mere four to six inches long.

660
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>So if you're out there and you have do anxiety,

661
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe you just really need a deep, deep breath. Maybe

662
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>look into some positions like from behind, which are more

663
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>physiologically advantageous. And some sources say you may just be

664
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<v Speaker 1>a makeover away from some confidence. Yep, you just got

665
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.559
<v Speaker 1>to trim up down there. Even experts agree. Don't hide

666
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>your lightsaber under a bush. Well cut banks, trim pubes.

667
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>You have so much dick under that muff metaphorically and

668
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>technically speaking, so let that be a lesson to all

669
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<v Speaker 1>of us. Also, I really hope that you are not

670
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<v Speaker 1>listening to this at work or driving carpool, But you

671
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 1>know what, maybe I hope you are. Do you think

672
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>that it's gotten more conservative and it's gotten more taboo

673
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to discuss penises openly?

674
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>That is an interesting question. I think that people talk

675
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>about them a lot more openly now than they did

676
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 2>when I was young. I feel like, but again, I'm

677
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 2>from Waco. Now I'm not there anymore, so maybe that's

678
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>party why that is. I don't know, it seems like

679
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot more you know what, I kind of

680
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>can almost trace this back to let's see when viagra

681
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>became a thing. And I remember, you're way too young,

682
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 2>probably not even live when this happened, but I remember

683
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>when Bob Dole is a senator from Kansas and erstwhile

684
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 2>presidential candidate, started taking it and they actually asked him

685
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.599
<v Speaker 2>about it, and Lyddy Dole's wife and she's like, thumbs up,

686
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>the stuff works great.

687
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 4>What I want to make it through.

688
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Many treatments available for ED.

689
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 3>So my advice is get a medically check up.

690
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>It's the best way to get educated about ED and

691
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>what can be done to treat it.

692
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.320
<v Speaker 4>What they take of the courage. But I've always found

693
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 4>that everything worthwhile does.

694
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<v Speaker 2>It was all It was kind of a strange turning point.

695
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like culturally that that was being openly discussed

696
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>like that on the GOP side of the aisle.

697
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Actually viagra, that was an incidental finding from what I understand.

698
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, they were they were looking at starting to

699
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 2>find anything, because what it does is relaxes the blood vessels, right,

700
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 2>and the reason openions can get engorged is if they

701
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 2>relaxed and filled with blood. Well, they were trying out

702
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 2>this drug. I think to see if it would relax

703
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 2>blood vessels to reduce blood pressure, like as an anti

704
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>high pretensive. But the men who were taking it were like,

705
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of getting this direction. That's happened lasting

706
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of a long time. It's pretty cool. And you

707
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 2>know dollar signs chit ching if you hear the commercial

708
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that's are like, you know, we can cure ninety nine

709
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>percent of all this function. What they really mean is

710
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't have a physiological basis, physiological in the

711
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 2>sense that there's something you know, wrong in that area

712
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 2>or something related to that area. And so what it

713
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of comes down to is, you know, you're just

714
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>not you and your brain. You're not connecting anymore about

715
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>like being working towards a mutual purpose here. And so

716
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>there's a story which is why that viagra worse because

717
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 2>it just is like, screw your brain, I'm just going

718
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to go cut straight through the blood vessels here and

719
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>fill the sucker up. And so that's what it does.

720
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>One twenty nineteen survey said that globally, up to seventy

721
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>six percent of folks who have erections have had erectile dysfunction.

722
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So it happens a little bit more as you scoop

723
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>past fifty. But if you had ever had an uncooperative

724
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 1>pain fretknot, you're totally normal. According to the Mayo Clinic.

725
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Some causes of it, though, could be anger because it

726
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>messes with blood flow and sends more blood to the

727
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 1>surface of the skin. Stress can also mess with you

728
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 1>down there. Being above a medically healthy weight can lower

729
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>your testosterone and mess up your blood flow. Smoking and

730
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>just straight up low self image can contribute to floppy donks.

731
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>So medications can also interfere. And if so, totally talk

732
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to your doctor about it. They are literally paid to help.

733
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.760
<v Speaker 1>They have maybe had the same problem with themselves or

734
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 1>a loved one. And if you're like I have the

735
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 1>depress but I don't want to take the medicines for

736
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 1>it because of weighing issues. I read a study on

737
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Harvard Health. They published an article noting that about thirty

738
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 1>five to fifty percent of people with untreated major depression

739
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.679
<v Speaker 1>experienced some type of sexual dysfunction prior to treatment. So

740
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe don't blame the player the antidepressants, blame the game

741
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the clinical depress Also, I've mentioned it before on this podcast.

742
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>They're not sponsors of the show, But there is a

743
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 1>test called gene site that shows promise in terms of

744
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 1>pairing you to an antidepressant that might work better for you,

745
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.599
<v Speaker 1>and I used it after trying three different antidepressants, and

746
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 1>I landed on one that works much better for me.

747
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Based on those results. Your mileage may vary, but that

748
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 1>was called gene Site. Ward to the wise, do you

749
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>find that in any of your recent search that there

750
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 1>was a myth about prolonged sex and what was desired

751
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>from partners or is there like a correlation between pleasure

752
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and the longer you go, the better.

753
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a related myth. I didn't examine that myth exactly,

754
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 2>but what I did examine was this kind of emphasis

755
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 2>that that people seem to place on the size of

756
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 2>a penis and that being like really crucial and super

757
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>important and also being able to last a really long time,

758
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 2>which I think is kind of you know, reaches into

759
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:34.719
<v Speaker 2>what reaches gets to what you're just asking. And what

760
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 2>I found is that what women, what people who are

761
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 2>having size with people at penises want is in these surveys,

762
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 2>the people who are identifying as women.

763
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:44.400
<v Speaker 4>So.

764
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<v Speaker 2>Is a partner who knows what they're doing, not a

765
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 2>partner with a giant dog. Not a partner who can

766
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 2>go forever, but a partner who knows what they're doing

767
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>and also knows that the penis is not the only

768
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.079
<v Speaker 2>instrument of sexual pleasure available on the human body, and

769
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>knows how to use all the other ones as well.

770
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Suggestion, get yourself a book about it. Watch some educational

771
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>materials that perhaps were not filmed in a van nice motel. Now, culturally,

772
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<v Speaker 1>we all have a lot to learn about the EQUATORI

773
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and if the geneasms are just too much to expect

774
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<v Speaker 1>from a weness a lot of terms in this episode,

775
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

776
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 2>It's not super common, and I think from what at

777
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<v Speaker 2>least from the studies I saw and the results of

778
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 2>those studies, it's also not something that people really give

779
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that much of a rip about. I think it's part

780
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 2>of impossible masculinity that somewhere along the line, people with

781
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 2>penises learn that, oh, you've got to make this happen

782
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>with this like thrusting massive Oregon, and if you don't,

783
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you're a failure. And that's just not evidently what a

784
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who are having sex really want.

785
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Why have we tied a dick around our own brains,

786
00:40:59.119 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like what's going on.

787
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting I trace a little bit of

788
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 2>that in the last chapter of the Boat, because there

789
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 2>were it looks like, at least in a want of

790
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 2>cultures and association when we started settling down and trying

791
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 2>to grow stuff in one place, this kind of connection

792
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 2>between the penis and especially an erect one and I

793
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>get you know, obviously the fluid that comes out of it.

794
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I think we probably made the connection that that's associated

795
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>with reproduction. And so like even an early Egyptian god

796
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 2>which called men Am i n is depicted as having

797
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>he's holding a flail in one hand, which is a

798
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 2>harvesting instrument, and he also has an instrument that is

799
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>parallel to the ground, and erect penis sits parallel to

800
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 2>the ground, and so those are that's just a clear

801
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 2>association between those two things. The god Priapus, who's probably yeah,

802
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, known today for associations with priapism, which is

803
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>just this like you know, endless erection, which is not

804
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 2>comfortable by the way, it's not something that is enjoyable

805
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>at first. Does a scarecrow, and so those associations I

806
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>think were made in a lot of cultures and because

807
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>of also the greater muscle relative Muslims and physical strength

808
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that people whose gonads make to sosterone disoscruone confers on them,

809
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 2>then you've got well, this is fertility, it's protection, it's strength,

810
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's associated with this organ. Even the Romans had

811
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 2>little amulets that the children were were that were phallus

812
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 2>with wings was called a signum a fas ci n

813
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<v Speaker 2>u m, which is where we get fascinating from, because

814
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it was supposed to distract the evil eye to the

815
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 2>amulet and fascinate them away from the children.

816
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I look this up and yeah, it looks

817
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>like a mythological griffin. But if God ran out of

818
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>lion and eagle parts and had to use leftover dicks instead.

819
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 1>And one photo I looked at for a little too

820
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>long appears to be made of bronze. I think it

821
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 1>was dug up at POMPEII. But this winged wang amulet

822
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>could fit right in. Right now, I'm just saying, never

823
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 1>goes out of style. I can see it hanging off

824
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.519
<v Speaker 1>the rear view mirror of a car belonging to a

825
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 1>shift manager at the Tallahassee Hooters. Maybe someone who had

826
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>a red bull tost at his wedding, just ready to

827
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>get loose and party. Let's do it. I mean, on

828
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 1>the topic of an homage, why do we love to

829
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>draw dicks on everything?

830
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's so funny because I was just

831
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I was staying somewhere to finish my next book, which

832
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>is about the brain, and it was every day I

833
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.159
<v Speaker 2>was walking out to this platform on.

834
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 3>A lake and it was really beautiful.

835
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<v Speaker 2>And one day there were a bunch of teenagers there

836
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 2>and you're just having a great time. I love teenagers,

837
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>by the way, so it's like, yeah, DearS. And the

838
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>next thing went out there there was a dick that

839
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<v Speaker 2>they had drawn, I think with the wide out. You know,

840
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>it's ejaculating, you know, it's a little tiny, but it

841
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>was there. And then the next day a goose had

842
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>shat on it, and I was just like, okay, world,

843
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>this is great. And then one of my sons came

844
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>home yesterday with this yearbook, you know, and of course

845
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a couple of his friends. You know, inevitably there's you know,

846
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 2>somebody's drawn a penis in ther book. You know, it's like,

847
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 2>this is for life and joy, and in some cultures

848
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>it's way more obvious than just you know, teenagers doodling

849
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>something on a buy. I mean there are parts of

850
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>the world where they're on houses, you know, and they're

851
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 2>considered protective and just kind of the same associations with

852
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 2>a physical strength and protection.

853
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I was going to put an aside here listing some examples,

854
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 1>but they are too numerous, from Japanese shrines to Mongolian monasteries,

855
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>even the Empire state building a lot of boners on buildings.

856
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Luckily for all of us, though, there is a Wikipedia

857
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 1>page just titled phallic architecture. It's waiting for you.

858
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>And so we're in our culture, I mean, say, in

859
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the Western culture, in the US culture, we hide them

860
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 2>away and we act like they're kind of you know,

861
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 2>salacious and oh my gosh. And the word penis is

862
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.119
<v Speaker 2>scary to say, and you know, you can trouble and

863
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.639
<v Speaker 2>things like that, and so it gives it this kind

864
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of aura of something kind of secret and funny that

865
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you can do that the adults can't see you being

866
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:13.960
<v Speaker 2>up to.

867
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 3>At the time.

868
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Penis, penis, penis penis. There's kids up, kids a.

869
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Penis, and so I think it's not maybe super helpful

870
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 2>to kind of shroud it in that kind of air

871
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 2>of you know, this is something not to talk about

872
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:41.480
<v Speaker 2>or consider or to take seriously accept as to kind

873
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 2>of excuse me, put on a pedestal and set up

874
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:50.360
<v Speaker 2>as kind of a replacement representation for you a young

875
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 2>man in our culture.

876
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.519
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a shrouded dick, and I'm wondering, how did

877
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 1>you even approach the culture in the history behind circumcision,

878
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and when did we start to do that, and are

879
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>are there any medical benefits.

880
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 2>I did not discuss circumcision in the book, although I

881
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 2>did talk about it, or my co author and I

882
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 2>wrote about it a little bit in a parenting book

883
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.119
<v Speaker 2>that we wrote a few years ago. And you know,

884
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>it's present in a couple of sort of very globally

885
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:25.280
<v Speaker 2>distributed religious practices and that started thousands of years ago

886
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>in one of them. And as far as benefit goes,

887
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 2>if you look at the eurological literature, it comes down

888
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>to almost sort of happenstance benefit in a way, because,

889
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>for example, children who have infantile onset urinary tract infections right,

890
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 2>which means they've got something going on in their urinary system,

891
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 2>they're where they're probably having your own backup into their kidneys.

892
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>But what they find is that if the children are circumcised,

893
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.599
<v Speaker 2>they don't have repeat tend to have repeat urinary tract

894
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>infections as much, and this kind of outcomes tend to

895
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>be better. There's some research pointing to an adult men

896
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 2>who undergo circumcision there's a reduced transmission to sex partners

897
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of certain viruses that are transmitted through them having sex

898
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:18.199
<v Speaker 2>with people. But again that's it almost comes from as

899
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 2>a sort of like serendipitous, you know, benefit after the fact.

900
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 2>It's not something you can just look at, you know,

901
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty at birth and go, well, this will protect

902
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 2>them from this. It just a reduced risk for some

903
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>of these outcomes in those cases.

904
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>And doctor Willingham notes that while some sexually transmitted viruses

905
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>could possibly be curbed by vaccines, like for HPV HIV,

906
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>vaccines have proven much trickier and hopefully one day humans

907
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.039
<v Speaker 1>will conquer that challenge. But on the topic of non humans,

908
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>there's plenty still to boggle the brain. Yeah, including like

909
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 1>four headed pronged that's.

910
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 3>The Acida.

911
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Dicks. What's even happening there?

912
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, so there's a there's a sort of a subset

913
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>of phoenis is that instead of like you know, waiting

914
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:09.519
<v Speaker 2>for like the blow to fill it. Like they're not

915
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 2>going to have to have viagaros, but that way because

916
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of just folded up at the ready and

917
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 2>when the time comes, they just, you know, the muscle

918
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 2>just goes quip punk and it plops it out like

919
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 2>an airbag. So it's just turtles and alligant the crocodilians.

920
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I have that going on, and turtles are I think

921
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>in the in the book I write about a turtle

922
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:32.360
<v Speaker 2>video is really something to be all. This poor turtle

923
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 2>is extremely aroused and it has this little ball that

924
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 2>has pawprints on it, like dog palms on It is

925
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:41.239
<v Speaker 2>very pissed off or either very aroused by this ball

926
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's like trying to I guess, mount the ball.

927
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.639
<v Speaker 2>But it's penis is flipped out and it's also the

928
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the end of the penis of a turtle. Penis is

929
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 2>like a cup sort of or open and it opens

930
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 2>and closes like a flower. So it's just angry, angry

931
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:57.679
<v Speaker 2>of the animal with its little flower opening and closing

932
00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 2>penis just attacking this little ball.

933
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.880
<v Speaker 3>It's quite a video. Human what an o face they

934
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 3>have to like the last expression, you know, just a

935
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 3>turbin comfortable.

936
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you some lightning round questions from listeners?

937
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, wow, the speed with which these questions came in, Wow,

938
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.679
<v Speaker 1>just very fast in coming in hot. Well, let's just

939
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.159
<v Speaker 1>say I'm just going to run through as many as

940
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>we can.

941
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Is that cool? Okay? Sure?

942
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Bananas that we took so long to get to

943
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Patreon questions, which you could submit for future episodes, just

944
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 1>a buck a month to join. But before we ask them,

945
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>we take the chance to donate to a cause, and

946
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 1>this week, Emily chose Doctors Without Borders, which is a

947
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 1>non governmental organization that provides assistance to populations and distress,

948
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>so they are global first responders to emergencies and epidemics.

949
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.440
<v Speaker 1>They do amazing work. So that hot cash injection was

950
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 1>made possible by sponsors of the show. What you can

951
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 1>hear about now? Okay, let's get back to your hardball questions.

952
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Hollis wants to know, as a penis haver, why is

953
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 1>morning wood a thing? And is this happening with all

954
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 1>penis havers human.

955
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And otherwise don't know about other animals? Morning when is

956
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>the thing? Because it has to do with I think

957
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:26.480
<v Speaker 2>this hormonal changes you're sleep. I don't know about other animals,

958
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 2>like I'm pretty sure bed bugs don't wake up that way.

959
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Arib first time question asker it wants

960
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.519
<v Speaker 1>to know is there any scientific research around BD big

961
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 1>dick energy. I feel like your book deals with us

962
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot.

963
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this question I like because I think that we

964
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.119
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't use that phrase. I think that people who consider

965
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.760
<v Speaker 2>themselves progressives will say, for example, small dick energy or

966
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 2>big dick energy when a person is acting a certain way.

967
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the kind of part of the problem

968
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 2>with how we talk about penises and what we make

969
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 2>people with them think they need, how they need to be.

970
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it reduces them to this body part when

971
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, actually our most important body part is are brain,

972
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 2>and the manifestations of that are so variegated and interesting

973
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and not reducible to just this kind of one phrase

974
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>that way, So most men, I think tend to think

975
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>that they they they under overestimate like what averages and

976
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 2>how they relate to that, and they're often wrong about it.

977
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:31.639
<v Speaker 2>And so that's the whole side problem. But you know,

978
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the idea that this person's his giant try because their

979
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 2>penis is teeny, and I kind of think that that's

980
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 2>not the way to talk about it or approach it.

981
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>The same thing if a guy's in a Starbucks with

982
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.679
<v Speaker 2>an AR fifteen and people like small duke energy this guy.

983
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, there are so many complicated social messages that

984
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 2>go in to shaping somebody who does something ridiculous like that.

985
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 2>The size of the penis has got to be way

986
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 2>way down on that list in terms of what driving

987
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 2>performative behaviors that they think are masculine but that are

988
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.199
<v Speaker 2>actually desperate in that way.

989
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you love how compassionate she is? I love how

990
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>compassionate she is raising people who are comfortable with their

991
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>masculine traits. Does not start out with shame, is what

992
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting. And it's good that she's getting that message

993
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 1>out into the open like a ball sack. And on

994
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 1>that note, first time question askers Devon Lawrence wrote in

995
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 1>quote as a cis female, external genitalia seems like such

996
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a hassle. The amount of times men sit on themselves

997
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 1>is crazy, And Jordan Engelkey asked, why do some creatures

998
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 1>have their junk on the inside like birds, and some

999
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 1>creatures keep their junk on the outside like humans. Rachel

1000
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 1>had the same question out with it.

1001
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 3>Emily.

1002
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, we had some questions about internal and external

1003
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 1>gonads essentially, and is there anything about having external gonads

1004
00:52:53.280 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 1>that influences feelings of insecurity or feelings of protection in

1005
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 1>terms of maybe like compensatory aggression.

1006
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Would I would, just its face say no, because testosterone

1007
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 2>itself is associated with aggression. So if the gonuts are external,

1008
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 2>they're very likely testes, which means they're making testosterone. So

1009
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>there's a confounding thing there because the actual hormone those

1010
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 2>those external go nets are producing is a hormone it's

1011
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.119
<v Speaker 2>very very well known to drive aggression.

1012
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. Celia Bell and Madeline both asked questions

1013
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard of this first time. Question Asker Madeleine said,

1014
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 1>I've recently heard that data is starting to come out

1015
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 1>about COVID patients who have a penis experiencing a reptile

1016
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 1>dysfunction significantly more. Celia Bell said, what's the deal with

1017
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 1>COVID dick? Have you heard of anything about this?

1018
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually tweeted about this the other day. This

1019
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 2>is really it's not surprising. So one of the things

1020
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that this virus does is that it has an effect

1021
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 2>on what's called the endothelium, which is the lining of

1022
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the blood vessels. And we've already talked about the role

1023
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 2>of blood vessels and how they need to relax for

1024
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>a penis to become you know, erect, right, and so

1025
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.000
<v Speaker 2>if you have a virus, it's like messing with those

1026
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and making them dysfunctional. Well, that dysfunction is going to

1027
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 2>be body wide, it's not just going to be like

1028
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 2>one part of the body. A couple of reports about

1029
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it of having had COVID and then having experiencing a

1030
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.400
<v Speaker 2>rectile dysfunction. There's another study a couple of men who'd

1031
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.960
<v Speaker 2>had COVID the virus was still persisting in their penis

1032
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:33.239
<v Speaker 2>tissue a few months later. Yeah, and then there was

1033
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>another study that suggested that the penises were a little

1034
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 2>bit smaller, which you know, I'm thinking, well, you know

1035
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 2>what mechanism underlies that, And it could relate again to

1036
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 2>having the blood vessels being contracted. It's like that Seinfeld

1037
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>episode where you know, you get in the water, everything

1038
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:55.480
<v Speaker 2>shrinks up. George stands and wants to hide it's tinted

1039
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.239
<v Speaker 2>tail ear or something because it's cold.

1040
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:58.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm really sorry.

1041
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Everything just kind of goes whoop. You you're you're you're cold,

1042
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and so your body if I understand it's correctly, because

1043
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not this is not my my sighte of physiology,

1044
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 2>but I understand its correctly. Your body shunts to the

1045
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.159
<v Speaker 2>cork because you're like cold and you need to keep

1046
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>especially your core horm So it's like, well, you don't

1047
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 2>need blood here right now, you know, and so it

1048
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 2>sends it away because you're cold. You're not going to

1049
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 2>be having sex right now.

1050
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:31.280
<v Speaker 3>You're too cooled.

1051
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:35.480
<v Speaker 1>You're just like teeth chatter. Let's get these bodies.

1052
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 3>Drup seriously, but you're white. Get this man a heating pad.

1053
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Uh Logan Levau had a great question. Wants to know

1054
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.079
<v Speaker 1>what do they put in those bizarre tiger love type

1055
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 1>enhancement powders so you can get a gas stations and

1056
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 1>is there anything remotely legit about them? How do you

1057
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 1>feel about your hymnbe and horny goat weed and all

1058
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of that.

1059
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. So first of all, don't buy that stuff.

1060
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 3>That's what's in it.

1061
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so supplements in this country are completely unregulated

1062
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and their contents can be not at all what it

1063
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 2>says on there. It can be too much of what

1064
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:09.719
<v Speaker 2>it says on there, and a lot of other things,

1065
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 2>so just don't buy stuff like that. The other problem

1066
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.639
<v Speaker 2>is is that a lot of things in the aphrodisia

1067
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 2>market are acquired by abuse of animals, abuse and torture

1068
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.440
<v Speaker 2>of animals, and we you know, nobody needs to be

1069
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:22.840
<v Speaker 2>doing that.

1070
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>So yes, as a species, let's leave the rhinos alone,

1071
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.719
<v Speaker 1>let the tigers keep their decks. Donald Hayward wants to

1072
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 1>know what's the hand foot size to penis fallacy? What's

1073
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Speaker 1>with that?

1074
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:33.760
<v Speaker 4>Like?

1075
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Where did this idea start? Alexa don you want to

1076
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>know that?

1077
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I looked at that, and apparently, for reasons that are

1078
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.039
<v Speaker 2>unclear to me, the UK National Hill Surface also looked

1079
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.239
<v Speaker 2>at this. I don't know why, and there's not an association.

1080
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.599
<v Speaker 2>It probably got started because it would be a very

1081
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.039
<v Speaker 2>easy shorthand or short footed way to tell what if

1082
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 2>somebody's sizes, since we're all wearing pants and you know

1083
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 2>this culture. But yeah, there's no an association.

1084
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Ah, just one. And Andrew Levinson want to know. I've

1085
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:04.360
<v Speaker 1>heard you can sprain a penis like you would an

1086
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>ankle or a muscle. True if so how.

1087
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:11.880
<v Speaker 2>You can I mean, yeah, I mean there's got if

1088
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:14.639
<v Speaker 2>you have any anything that has muscle or you know,

1089
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:16.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a smooth muscle, but anything it has sort of

1090
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 2>like a connective tissue component and stuff like that, you

1091
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:23.760
<v Speaker 2>can overstretch it or overdo it and experience very uncomfortable

1092
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 2>outcomes from them.

1093
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Rachel Moore wants to know is the average size listed

1094
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 1>on Google? Actually the average? They feel like nearly every

1095
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:35.159
<v Speaker 1>person they've been with has a larger than average penis.

1096
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.679
<v Speaker 1>If it is, Uh, what is what is the average?

1097
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:39.039
<v Speaker 4>Well?

1098
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.599
<v Speaker 3>What is the average size listed on Google? This is

1099
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:42.480
<v Speaker 3>what I would want to know.

1100
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Good question. First, Google say to five and also there's

1101
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a length and a girth difference. I'm sure, yeah, six

1102
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 1>inches the in fact, the average is much more. I

1103
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>think they started five one to five point five.

1104
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's around it's around five and a half inches

1105
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and in our measurements somewhere around there. And I think

1106
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people think that the average is bigger

1107
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 2>than that and it's not. And then the girth thing

1108
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 2>is another thing entirely.

1109
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:19.599
<v Speaker 1>Have there been any studies on folks valuing girth over length?

1110
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, first of all, neither's necessarily that important compared

1111
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to some other factors that are valued. But girth is

1112
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>is at least in a tie with length for just

1113
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:31.079
<v Speaker 2>sort of like importance.

1114
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Is there a medical term for a shode?

1115
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know either, You've gotta think.

1116
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I spent two years working with urologists with a

1117
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 2>U and I honestly don't think that anybody ever like

1118
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:50.920
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that before.

1119
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>There are different size receptacles for penises. Just is there

1120
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.039
<v Speaker 1>a different sized penises?

1121
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:56.280
<v Speaker 4>Right?

1122
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

1123
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I hate to say this, but when I don't

1124
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 2>really hate to see it, maybe I both hate and

1125
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:05.199
<v Speaker 2>love to say it. When I see a certain somebody's

1126
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.480
<v Speaker 2>penis being made fun of because of its shape, you know,

1127
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 2>publicly or whatever. I think, you know, we're doing this

1128
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of as a way to target what we perceive

1129
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.960
<v Speaker 2>as some kind of sensitivity in the masculinity we demand

1130
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 2>from people with penises, And it makes me feel bad.

1131
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Dude.

1132
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really great point. And I also

1133
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>think it's really interesting how we would never make fun

1134
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of or deride vulva's the way that we say that

1135
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 1>dix are ugly or balls are disgusting, you know, right?

1136
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that's true, although I remember there

1137
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:42.480
<v Speaker 2>was some one of those women who was a Hollywood

1138
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.599
<v Speaker 2>madam or something, and one of the people who worked

1139
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.239
<v Speaker 2>for her was described repeatedly in news stories as having

1140
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.599
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful vagina, and I think what they meant was vulvas.

1141
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:56.679
<v Speaker 1>Vulva, the outside business, vagina, the tunnel. So a beautiful

1142
00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 1>vagina is really quite an exploratory observation, so they probably

1143
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:02.840
<v Speaker 1>meant volva just for the record.

1144
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:06.199
<v Speaker 2>And I remember thinking, well, I wonder what makes one beautiful?

1145
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 2>So I you know, you're right, we don't have like

1146
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.320
<v Speaker 2>a cultural construct for you know, what's the perfect iteration

1147
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 2>of the volva?

1148
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I mean interesting. I think all dicks

1149
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:21.719
<v Speaker 1>beautiful dicks, All volva's beautiful vulvas. There you go, got them,

1150
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you got them, love them. Nikki DeMarco had a question

1151
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of on that note. She said, the language around

1152
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 1>penis health versus women's health is very different. For example,

1153
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.840
<v Speaker 1>erectile dysfunction versus ovarian supply being exhausted or failure to

1154
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 1>produce hormones. No one would say ed is penis failure.

1155
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:45.199
<v Speaker 1>So is there an expectation of masculinity or toxic masculinity?

1156
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:48.840
<v Speaker 1>That we're just not understanding that's looking at those things differently.

1157
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that the expectation is is that anything that's

1158
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.519
<v Speaker 2>associated with the masculine is set as the norm, and

1159
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.960
<v Speaker 2>that anything that deviates from that is set as abnormal,

1160
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.159
<v Speaker 2>and all like arts from the position of being less then,

1161
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and then anything else that doesn't even meet that threshold

1162
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of less then is a failure. And so that's why

1163
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>all these things associated with the health of people with

1164
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:14.119
<v Speaker 2>ovaries and vaginas is characterized that way. I saw that

1165
01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:17.840
<v Speaker 2>in the literature about Jenny Tale as well. Anything's associated

1166
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.599
<v Speaker 2>with vaginas, with women and things like that, the language

1167
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 2>around it is so very very different, or it's passive

1168
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 2>or like a receptacle for things. And the physiology and

1169
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:31.679
<v Speaker 2>the reality both belie.

1170
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 1>That Elizabeth Rich had a question, use it or lose it?

1171
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Is that fact or flim flam. Does lack of use

1172
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 1>cause penal atrophy?

1173
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Not to my knowledge.

1174
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:44.280
<v Speaker 1>So if you've got to keep your pen under a

1175
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:48.280
<v Speaker 1>white sheet like furniture and an abandoned mansion, it's cool,

1176
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 1>just like a chaise lounge, it'll be just fine to

1177
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.719
<v Speaker 1>sit on Later. Bear Hodge and Alison my Sing both

1178
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:01.559
<v Speaker 1>had questions about penal surgery fouloplasty and are transplants a

1179
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.760
<v Speaker 1>viable option? And is followplasty? Why is that hard to

1180
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 1>get right?

1181
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a eurological surgeon, so I can't answer the

1182
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.760
<v Speaker 2>latter part of that. I would hope that people, the

1183
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.400
<v Speaker 2>clinicians who are with patients who are asking for these things,

1184
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.519
<v Speaker 2>really dig into what underlies it and that there's a

1185
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.280
<v Speaker 2>physical indication for it.

1186
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:21.559
<v Speaker 3>This is so terrible.

1187
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Al if you go to message boards, which I did

1188
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 2>because I was going to write about it, I just

1189
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't have space, and look at what people with penises

1190
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.480
<v Speaker 2>are doing to try to make them bigger, longer, lasts longer,

1191
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and all these other things. We have a lot of

1192
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:36.480
<v Speaker 2>work to do to sort of excuse me, but pull

1193
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:41.719
<v Speaker 2>out away from this kind of like this this feeling

1194
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.599
<v Speaker 2>of urgency that they have, that this thing just has

1195
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to be so huge, because the data show that the

1196
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:49.760
<v Speaker 2>people that're presumably interested in having sex with just they're not.

1197
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.199
<v Speaker 2>That's not what they put at the top of the list.

1198
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, any advice for penis havers on how to have

1199
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a better relationship with theirs?

1200
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I could have this conversation about any body part just

1201
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:04.960
<v Speaker 2>about about which we're not happy, right, is that you

1202
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.679
<v Speaker 2>have it and it's there, and it's doing what it

1203
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 2>can for you, and you're doing what you can with it.

1204
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:12.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's the most either one of you can ask

1205
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>from each other, right, Yeah, Yeah, and understand that you

1206
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.000
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of other body parts that contribute as

1207
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.000
<v Speaker 2>well as the penis does to having a great time

1208
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 2>with one or more other people.

1209
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great way to look at it too,

1210
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Fleming. First ye question asker wants to know if

1211
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you have a funny dog joke.

1212
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 3>My book is full of don jokes.

1213
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.159
<v Speaker 2>There's so many, and you know, they just kind of

1214
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 2>they come to you, as it were, and you know,

1215
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.360
<v Speaker 2>it's it's hard to just kick one.

1216
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Got to hand it to her. So many dick ponds

1217
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 1>it's nuts now. Also, a few folks had a question

1218
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.239
<v Speaker 1>my dear friend Greg Walloch, Whom's I love? And first

1219
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:01.320
<v Speaker 1>time question asker and dong owner Cap and Glover inquired

1220
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.920
<v Speaker 1>as to the rumor that they have heard gay identifying

1221
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 1>men have larger penises on average? Is this true? If so, why?

1222
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And Greg notes, based on some of his own research,

1223
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it seems like this might be true. Few people have

1224
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.559
<v Speaker 1>asked that they have heard that gay identifying men have

1225
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.639
<v Speaker 1>statistically bigger penises than straight identifying men.

1226
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:23.320
<v Speaker 3>Is that flim flam?

1227
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I sort of kind of poked around, kind of looking

1228
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.679
<v Speaker 2>at that, and not in any kind of significant way

1229
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:34.679
<v Speaker 2>that I could find. And so it's a complicated question.

1230
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I know why people are asking it, but no, not

1231
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:40.920
<v Speaker 2>on average that I could find.

1232
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:41.360
<v Speaker 3>And I did.

1233
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Look, what about the hardest part about your job.

1234
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:49.960
<v Speaker 3>The book writing.

1235
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Are in general, and as a reproductive someone who looks

1236
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:58.880
<v Speaker 1>at reproductive biology or evolutionary reology, or or an author

1237
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:00.199
<v Speaker 1>or a communicator or.

1238
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I would say that I think the most difficult

1239
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.679
<v Speaker 2>thing is kind of the pain and the empathy I

1240
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.960
<v Speaker 2>feel for people who are struggling with these issues that

1241
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 2>society imposes on them, that there's just no reason for

1242
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:17.320
<v Speaker 2>society to do that.

1243
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:19.239
<v Speaker 3>That's actually really difficult for me.

1244
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so empathetic, especially since your book does deal

1245
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of what we might consider notions of

1246
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:33.440
<v Speaker 1>toxic masculinity or toxic expectations. That you have delved so

1247
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 1>deep into that and you've come out with such empathy

1248
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and understanding and compassion.

1249
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel really strongly. I love men and boys,

1250
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:48.599
<v Speaker 2>and I feel really strongly that we could be doing

1251
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:53.400
<v Speaker 2>better by them, and if that happens, then in general

1252
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.199
<v Speaker 2>they can be doing better by everybody as well.

1253
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Is there something about your work that's changed the way

1254
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 1>that you're resed your sons?

1255
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.960
<v Speaker 2>No, because when I started this particular work, they were

1256
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.400
<v Speaker 2>like kind of raised. I mean, they're adolescence one of me,

1257
01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:12.239
<v Speaker 2>it's twenty. But it certainly informs some of my conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and I think I'm being even more careful

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<v Speaker 2>than before with language that I use around them about

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<v Speaker 2>men and boys and expectations and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm. Any advice for parents or I think perhaps yeaheah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the most important thing we can do is

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<v Speaker 2>to take care with our language and our assumptions. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that when I see people speak to teenagers today,

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<v Speaker 2>they will often make an assumption that teenager is assists

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<v Speaker 2>heterosexual person, and it'll say, you know, do you have

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<v Speaker 2>a girlfriend, do you have a boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 3>That kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we need to be careful about what

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<v Speaker 2>we gender and what we don't and what we show

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a default expectation, and examine that a

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<v Speaker 2>little more closely and try to be a little more

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<v Speaker 2>neutral and you know, opening statements to people and that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's really great advice. That's awesome. What about something

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<v Speaker 1>that you really cherish about your work? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>love the most?

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite thing about what I get to do for

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<v Speaker 2>a living is the research, the discovery, the going down

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit holes, the finding new things about different people, different

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<v Speaker 2>into cultures, back and forth in history.

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<v Speaker 3>I just love all of that so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Any advice for anyone who loves researching and rabbit holes

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe wants to write a book about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, I would say, you have to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>when you can when you need to stop digging at

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<v Speaker 2>some point. And I don't have good advice about that,

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, you've got to find a way to stop

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<v Speaker 2>yourself from digging at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>As someone who researches this podcast every week, it can

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<v Speaker 1>It's like expanding foam, Like the work will take as

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<v Speaker 1>much time as I give.

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<v Speaker 3>It, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost kind of addictive and you're like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>just spent like fifty hours chasing down this one lizard.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to go in the literature.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone's gotta do it. What a joy, though, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>So ask smart people to explain the long and the

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<v Speaker 1>short of it, because we're just a bag of gam meets.

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<v Speaker 1>We're on this rock for the ride before we die.

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<v Speaker 1>So follow Emily. There are links in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on Twitter at EJ. Willingham. Her website is Emily

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<v Speaker 1>Willingham PhD dot com. She is the author of Fallacy,

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<v Speaker 1>Life Lessons from the Animal Penis and the upcoming book

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<v Speaker 1>The Tailored Brain. All of that will be listed in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes, and there are links up at aliward

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<v Speaker 1>dot com, slash Ology slash Philology. We are at Ologies

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Aliward on both. Come

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<v Speaker 1>be Friends Patreon dot com. Slash Ologies is where you

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<v Speaker 1>can join us a bit questions. Aaron Talbert admins Theologies

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Facebook group Great Group of People. Shannon Felt is

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<v Speaker 1>in Body Dutch Managed Merch and hosts the comedy podcast

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<v Speaker 1>To You Are That. Emily White of the Wordery makes

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<v Speaker 1>our transcripts. Caleb Patten bleeps them, and those are both

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<v Speaker 1>up and free at the link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Dwyer makes the website and is available for website design.

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<v Speaker 1>Her link is at the bottom of my alley war

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<v Speaker 1>dot com website. Noel Dilworth handles the booking of guests.

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<v Speaker 3>And is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Hale has been making you quizzes on Instagram. Happy

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<v Speaker 1>birthday to her. Jarrett Sleeper edited this week and thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>our romantic relationship doesn't count as harassment most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course thanks to Stephen Ray Morris who is

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<v Speaker 1>on standby this week and is chief sweety pet. Nick

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<v Speaker 1>Thorburn wrote the theme music and he is in a

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<v Speaker 1>band called Islands. And if you stick around to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the episode, I tell you a secret. As promised,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give you blowjob tips. I source these from

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<v Speaker 1>Penis has from ologites anonymously. Here they are of charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready? Okay, here we go. I'm gonna list

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<v Speaker 1>off the advice Number one, Please no teeth. Also, don't

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<v Speaker 1>forget the berries. Grab the sack with a spare hand

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<v Speaker 1>where they connect to the peen, gently roll them. Only

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<v Speaker 1>do it if you want to and enjoy it. Make

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<v Speaker 1>an okay sign with your fingers. Gently grasp under the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingers go down loose but uptight. Good to know. Stick

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<v Speaker 1>your tongue out on the way down. Wiggle it good

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<v Speaker 1>suction on the way up. Practice controlling your gag reflex,

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<v Speaker 1>focus on breath and rhythm. Don't focus too much on

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<v Speaker 1>the head. It gets no good to know. Don't neglect

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<v Speaker 1>the bulls.

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<v Speaker 3>And enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly it sounds like you should just enjoy it. The

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<v Speaker 1>other bonus secret is I'm very good at drawing dicks

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<v Speaker 1>all over stuff all the time. I've drawn so many

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<v Speaker 1>dicks on so many things, right, Sharrett, It's definitely true.

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<v Speaker 4>I have this beautiful thing this online.

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<v Speaker 1>I drew a picture of a dick for Jared years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the only thing that he has on his

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<v Speaker 1>wall behind his desk. It says good morning, chair and

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<v Speaker 1>Jess okay, bye bye bye.

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<v Speaker 4>Pacodermatology, hombiology or no zoology, lithology, zechonology, meteorology, pedatology, ethology, zeriologyology.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had to have a penis reduction surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, penis reduction, which there aren't many.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna say, I've never heard of that because there

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been many cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Do something, And he said, why do you get one

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<v Speaker 2>of those vagina in large?

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<v Speaker 3>It's Zarah can have some coffee over here,