Speaker 1: Welcome back to this Nightcap seven hundred WLW and joining
Speaker 1: us after quite a lengthy period of time, because frankly,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of things that are more pressing
Speaker 1: than talking to me. Is our old friend Kevin Wade.
Speaker 1: And if you missed the interviews before, you can always
Speaker 1: check the podcast file at seven hundred WLW dot com
Speaker 1: under the nightcap heading. But when I first had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to interview this guy the first time around, I
Speaker 1: was so jazzed because he was pitching a new book
Speaker 1: and I knew nothing of the book until we talked.
Speaker 1: And I was even more jazzed after the fact. But
Speaker 1: jazz because this guy was a showrunner, executive producer at
Speaker 1: some points, and writer of my favor Bridge Network television
Speaker 1: show Blue Bloods. His name is Kevin Wade, and he
Speaker 1: was on of course, pitching the fact that he had
Speaker 1: a brand new book that he had noveled, that he'd written,
Speaker 1: called Johnny Careless. And I've just had such a wonderful
Speaker 1: conversation that I that I bothered him again a few
Speaker 1: months later, and now I'm bothering him again. In the
Speaker 1: summer of twenty twenty five, Kevin Wade welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Thanks, it's nice to be back with he carried Jeff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had such a great time.
Speaker 1: The first couple of times, I thought, you know, this
Speaker 1: is fantastic content. And even if nobody else cares, I
Speaker 1: care because of your connection with this marvelous ensemble TV
Speaker 1: show that had now sadly no longer producing new episodes
Speaker 1: after fourteen years. So you are I understand, as you
Speaker 1: told me when I when I called Kevin, he said, well, thanks,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just sitting here pretending to work anyway.
Speaker 1: I got nothing better to do today to talk to you.
Speaker 1: You're working on a sequel the second chapter what you
Speaker 1: hope and plan to be a series of Johnny Careless books.
Speaker 1: And let's set the stage for people who don't remember
Speaker 1: or did not get a copy of Johnny Careless. And
Speaker 1: by the way, shame on them for that. Johnny Carreless,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, You're doing great man.
Speaker 4: Okay, great.
Speaker 1: Johnny Careless is a character who is in fact that Careless.
Speaker 1: In fact, Johnny Careless dies at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: book entitled Johnny Careless. The titular character is is not
Speaker 1: around for the rest of the night, but he sets
Speaker 1: the stage for this local police chief to solve not
Speaker 1: only his murder, but ensuing murders. And how am I
Speaker 1: doing so far?
Speaker 3: Very good?
Speaker 5: Very good.
Speaker 3: So the story, the one I'm writing, as well as
Speaker 3: the first one Johnny Careless, are told in the present
Speaker 3: and in the past in kind of relative sort of
Speaker 3: alternating chapters, so that hopefully if somebody dies on page two,
Speaker 3: which he does in Johnny Careless, you get to know
Speaker 3: him and his relationship with Jeep Mulane, the local cop
Speaker 3: who is the hero of these stories, and so that you,
Speaker 3: hopefully the reader's experiences by the end they care that
Speaker 3: this guy passed away. They couldn't have known on page
Speaker 3: two what they know on page two hundred and forty,
Speaker 3: and so hopefully it becomes what they call in the
Speaker 3: movie business and television business, a character driven mystery, were
Speaker 3: you're less about the thrills and chills in edge of
Speaker 3: your seat as to whether or not they'll get out
Speaker 3: of the building before it blows up, but more about, Oh,
Speaker 3: I understand the relationship with those two and why it
Speaker 3: ended up where it did, and I care about it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of designed along those lines.
Speaker 1: Another fine example of what you're talking about that kind
Speaker 1: of storytelling is one of my favorite movies, It's a
Speaker 1: Wonderful Life, where George Bailey all of a sudden is
Speaker 1: taking his life or trying to commit suicide because he's
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars short at the building and loan, and
Speaker 1: then the Angels are called in Clarence. The angel second
Speaker 1: Classes call in to save George Bailey's life by showing
Speaker 1: him what it would be like Heddy'd never been born,
Speaker 1: and it goes through the boyhood and everything that led
Speaker 1: up to that crucial point in the movie. It's it's
Speaker 1: like that, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and it's hopefully well used in a good way.
Speaker 3: Sunset Boulevard, Billy Wilder. You know, it starts with William
Speaker 3: Holden face down dead in the swimming pool. We don't
Speaker 3: know who his character is, we don't know anything, and
Speaker 3: then we you know, it unravels. So you're trying to
Speaker 3: solve a mystery. It involves the audience or the reader,
Speaker 3: and that you're trying to solve the mystery of what
Speaker 3: you were introduced to the character.
Speaker 2: With and how did he get there? Excellent, So that's
Speaker 2: really the essential mystery of.
Speaker 4: It, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: And this police chief who becomes a police chief, right Kevin.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's the local chief of police. He grew up
Speaker 2: in the area.
Speaker 3: The novels are set on the north shore of Long Island,
Speaker 3: which most people don't know what that means. They know
Speaker 3: what Long Island is, and they know what the Hamptons are,
Speaker 3: But the north shore of Long Island, which is about
Speaker 3: thirty miles northeast New York City, is familiar to some
Speaker 3: people as the Gold Coast and to some readers as
Speaker 3: East Egg and West Egg where f Scott Fitzgerald set
Speaker 3: The Great Gatsby all those years ago. So there's a
Speaker 3: kind of upstairs downstairs quality too. There's haves and have
Speaker 3: nots and upstairs downstairs. And Jeep Mulane is a kid
Speaker 3: who grew up in one of the villages and was
Speaker 3: the son of a cop, went into the NYPD in
Speaker 3: his father's footsteps and bounced out after a traumatic case
Speaker 3: and became the police chief. And the villages where he
Speaker 3: grew up.
Speaker 1: Before you got involved in television i e. Blue Bloods
Speaker 1: and movie business, you were, among other things, a bartender
Speaker 1: and we talked to but that was another point of
Speaker 1: commonality for you and I because I also still bartend
Speaker 1: on the side, because, as we all know, w l
Speaker 1: W stands for World's Lowest Wages. Unless you're Bill cunning
Speaker 1: Hammer or somebody like that, you know, I'm not making
Speaker 1: Howard Stern money. I don't think I don't think we'll
Speaker 1: see Howard Stern tending bar at the local pub anytime soon,
Speaker 1: since he's become such an idea in a rec lea event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, only for charity, right maybe?
Speaker 1: But anyway, what what was? Uh, let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: some bartending things that we'll have in common that you
Speaker 1: will know about from your time as a bar keep
Speaker 1: before you started in television. What was the what was
Speaker 1: the worst person you ever had to cut off or
Speaker 1: throw out of the bar or had a bouncer do
Speaker 1: it or whatever? What was there? There was one thing
Speaker 1: that you run.
Speaker 3: I worked at the other end, and which was the
Speaker 3: Bitter End, a famous music bar, saloon and live music
Speaker 3: venue on Bleeker Street in the village in the late
Speaker 3: nineteen seven. Okay, the mixed crowd of music fans, local
Speaker 3: cops and detectives, chorists and kind of bad guys you know,
Speaker 3: guys who had nothing better to do but go in
Speaker 3: order a drink and try to flee before they paid
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: And once I chased the.
Speaker 3: Guy out of the bar and I got him along
Speaker 3: with my along with my bartending partner, we got him
Speaker 3: against the rail outside on the sidewalk, and that rail
Speaker 3: had a plexiglass piece on it. I don't remember exactly why,
Speaker 3: but we had him. We were waiting for the cops
Speaker 3: and I heard this clicking, and what is the clicking?
Speaker 3: It got louder and I looked down and the guy
Speaker 3: had a switchblade out and he was trying to stab
Speaker 3: me in the leg. And it was too drunk to
Speaker 3: realize that the railing looked transparent, but it was in
Speaker 3: fact protected by plexiglass. I remember him well, I.
Speaker 1: Don't remember no, and names are not necessary. And there
Speaker 1: are probably one or two incidences similar to that. In
Speaker 1: one particular occasion, a guy actually had a loaded gun firearm,
Speaker 1: and his friends made him think better of, you know,
Speaker 1: using that. Thank God, you know, I can only thank
Speaker 1: the Almighty for protecting me in that particular situation. You know,
Speaker 1: since you're not supposed to bring weapons or firearms into
Speaker 1: a place that serves alcohol like people.
Speaker 2: Really, No, you're not.
Speaker 3: You're allowed to have a version of a night stick
Speaker 3: or a sowd Off baseball bat behind the bar. Yes,
Speaker 3: it was the late seventies in New York. It was blackout,
Speaker 3: it was the Bronx is Burning and Son of Sam
Speaker 3: and that kind of that informed a lot of the
Speaker 3: vibe in the night life in the city, no.
Speaker 1: Doubt, exciting but somewhat dangerous. Thank god, Thank god you
Speaker 1: weren't Kevin Careless.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that nice plug.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 4: We squeaze them in when we can.
Speaker 2: Kevin.
Speaker 1: Uh So, how far along are you in this process
Speaker 1: of writing book number two?
Speaker 3: Uh? I finished the draft. I showed it to the
Speaker 3: agent and publisher. They had lots of notes. So I'm
Speaker 3: doing a second draft, which is if you're a if
Speaker 3: you're a professional writer. There was a great piece of
Speaker 3: advice from Ernest Hemingway that he said, paraphrasing, the first
Speaker 3: draft of anything is blank, deep, and it's only when
Speaker 3: you start to write it for the reader or the
Speaker 3: audience and you're not getting the kick out of it anymore.
Speaker 3: They're getting all the kick. That's when you know, hopefully
Speaker 3: you're doing it right. So it's an interesting process.
Speaker 2: It's homework, Yeah, have a lot of homework.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of being a professional writer, which you are,
Speaker 1: when you were writing for Blue Bloods for example, yep,
Speaker 1: did you purposely and did the writers on that show purposely?
Speaker 4: And it seems like an obvious answer.
Speaker 1: But include stuff that was going on in the culture
Speaker 1: in America at the particular time that a certain show
Speaker 1: would be shot, like stuff in the headlines, and you
Speaker 1: kind of adapt that to make it more real, more gritty,
Speaker 1: and more up with what was going on in that
Speaker 1: particular time, and you know, like the resistance against the police,
Speaker 1: for example, and a lash back.
Speaker 4: You know, I love that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the bazillion things that I love about
Speaker 1: Blue Bloods is that it reflects the culture and news
Speaker 1: at the time. Was it always purposeful or did it
Speaker 1: just blend in with the story that you already had
Speaker 1: to tell.
Speaker 3: I'm going to compliment you on that question.
Speaker 2: It's very well put.
Speaker 3: And it's really germane to how we tried to do
Speaker 3: Blue Bloods for all those years. It was fourteen years
Speaker 3: of it. There were things going on. We started in
Speaker 3: twenty ten and ended in December of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: so there was a lot of changes. There were administrations,
Speaker 3: there were movements me too, George Floyd defund the police,
Speaker 3: all of that stuff, and I think we found early
Speaker 3: on it wasn't codified, but we thought we had a
Speaker 3: sense of the audience that they did not want to
Speaker 3: be preached to. This was a show that was on
Speaker 3: network television at ten o'clock on Friday night, and you
Speaker 3: were coming home and you were hoping for maybe some action,
Speaker 3: some mystery, and some really involving characters involved in dangerous
Speaker 3: or mysterious situations. The last thing I think, I think
Speaker 3: the audience wanted was to be told what way to
Speaker 3: think that these guys are bad and these guys are good, that.
Speaker 2: This thing, you know.
Speaker 3: So we didn't rip things from the headlines, but we
Speaker 3: would take issues that were in front of the audience
Speaker 3: and we're going to be in front of them again
Speaker 3: when the show ended, in the eleven o'clock news came on,
Speaker 3: and we would try to The way I put it is,
Speaker 3: if we had a soapbox for one side to stand
Speaker 3: up and tell why their side was the right and
Speaker 3: virtuous one, you had to construct a soapbox of equal
Speaker 3: size for the other side. And I think that became
Speaker 3: part of a sort of secret sauce of the show
Speaker 3: was that people could watch it not feel like it
Speaker 3: was ignoring what was going around them on around them
Speaker 3: every day, but kind of watch these main characters try
Speaker 3: to synthesize, digest and make their own decisions about an issue.
Speaker 3: So that's a long way of answering your very good.
Speaker 4: Question and an excellent answer.
Speaker 1: Tom Selleck the lead character Frank Reagan, he has been
Speaker 1: known throughout his career and very vocal about Second Amendment
Speaker 1: rights and stuff like that. Very conservative. With a large
Speaker 1: cast like that, people had to probably be of all
Speaker 1: political stripes and leanings. Did that ever, were they able
Speaker 1: to just drop those feelings at the doorstep at the
Speaker 1: studio and leave them aside, Because this is a big
Speaker 1: problem in this country right now, Kevin, as you know,
Speaker 1: is the fact that people are on one side or
Speaker 1: the other judge the other person because they have a
Speaker 1: different view of things as evil or ridiculously stupid. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were people who were not as conservative
Speaker 1: as Tom on the set, but yet they left those
Speaker 1: behind the second it was time to go to work.
Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: They were playing characters they weren't playing themselves.
Speaker 2: The opinions, the.
Speaker 3: Emotions, the values that were being portrayed were fictional characters,
Speaker 3: and their values and their opinions were written by the writers.
Speaker 3: So there's a pretty clear line. And now that being said,
Speaker 3: we were writing for individual actors. We knew them, We
Speaker 3: were writing for them for fourteen years, so there were
Speaker 3: things that we would not soft pedal, but we would
Speaker 3: make sure that whatever was going to come out of
Speaker 3: that character's mouth was something that that actor could get
Speaker 3: behind as that character. So it becomes a real blend
Speaker 3: of eh fact and fiction.
Speaker 4: You know, that's the and it comes across.
Speaker 1: It comes across is so believable and so real, and
Speaker 1: you can hear when lines are delivered, you can hear
Speaker 1: and believe that that character and that actor would say
Speaker 1: those things that way. And I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the great talents of the writing of a great show.
Speaker 1: You are also a show runner. And by the way,
Speaker 1: every time we watch a Blue Blood's rerun and the
Speaker 1: credits come up at the beginning or the end and
Speaker 1: we see executive producer Kevin Wade, my wife will go,
Speaker 1: there's your buddy. As a show runner, though, and I've
Speaker 1: known people who worked as production assistants or you know,
Speaker 1: in an associate producer role, and it could be something
Speaker 1: as benign or small as getting donuts. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you probably wore a lot of hats when you were
Speaker 1: a quote showrunner for Blue Bloods, didn't you?
Speaker 3: I did. Showrunner is actually a made up term. It
Speaker 3: started coming around in the nineties, I think from people
Speaker 3: writing in newspapers and magazines about television. There is no
Speaker 3: writer's guild title or pay scale.
Speaker 2: That's called showrunner. And you will never.
Speaker 3: See a credit rolling on your favorite TV show that
Speaker 3: says showrunner. It's always executive producer occasionally in conjunction with
Speaker 3: created by.
Speaker 2: But the showrunner in a.
Speaker 3: Modern television whether it's broadcast or streaming, is first and
Speaker 3: foremost the head writer. He is or she are also
Speaker 3: the ambassador from the writer's room to the cast to
Speaker 3: make sure that all those things that we just talked about.
Speaker 2: About how we're writing.
Speaker 3: Your character are in some line up with that actor's
Speaker 3: idea of what his character was like, would say, would
Speaker 3: do in a given situation. You're involved in casting, editing
Speaker 3: a little bit of budget just because you have a
Speaker 3: pretty fixed number for each episode, so you have to
Speaker 3: do give and take there. So there's your chief cook
Speaker 3: and bottle washer, your backseat driver. First and foremost, you're
Speaker 3: the head writer and hopefully the person that shapes the
Speaker 3: show to week to make sure that there's a consistency
Speaker 3: of voice and character and style.
Speaker 1: Well, you certainly accomplished that in spades. The entire staff
Speaker 1: at Blue Bloods and again are time's too short and
Speaker 1: we're out of it, which really kind of kind of
Speaker 1: hacks me off.
Speaker 3: But well, you know, I'm literally just trying to write
Speaker 3: another draft of a book and doing a lot of
Speaker 3: staring out the window. So anytime you feel like distracting.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, this deserves probably about another five hours
Speaker 1: of conversation. Kevin Wade working on this sequel to Johnny
Speaker 1: Careless and taking time out to talk to me, And
Speaker 1: I am so grateful.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kevin, Thanks man, you got take care.
Speaker 4: There is more nightcap ahead. It is Monday Nightcap.
Speaker 1: I am pleased to welcome in for the first time
Speaker 1: in gosh a couple of years. I think Janice Heisel,
Speaker 1: who was a reporter for the Epoch Times. If you're
Speaker 1: not familiar with that, it is a straight down the
Speaker 1: middle news feed and Janice does extensive researched, behind the
Speaker 1: scenes reporting on political and cultural events all across the country.
Speaker 4: So it's such.
Speaker 1: I know Mike Allen features here on a more or
Speaker 1: less semi regular basis on Saturday mornings, but I'm proud
Speaker 1: and anxious to have no being anxious for nothing. But
Speaker 1: I am very, very happy to have her on this
Speaker 1: Monday nightcap. Janis Heisel, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm doing great. Wow, what a nice introduction. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I think the first time we ever talked, you had
Speaker 1: a book out, and what was that book titled? Just
Speaker 1: remind me because of my fault, it was called Submerged.
Speaker 7: Bryan Widmer has drowned bride and the justice system. And
Speaker 7: believe it or not, Gosh, that case happened back in
Speaker 7: two thousand and eight, so it's been quite.
Speaker 6: A while now, and Ryan Widmer.
Speaker 7: Is actually getting ready to have his first chance at
Speaker 7: parole coming up next month.
Speaker 4: How about that.
Speaker 1: It was fascinating reporting and in depth look at that
Speaker 1: particular case, which of course there was a mistrial and
Speaker 1: then they tried him again and finally convicted him of
Speaker 1: those charges. But Janis, let's fast forward to today.
Speaker 4: This past weekend.
Speaker 1: That saw Saturday Flag Day, the two hundred and fiftieth
Speaker 1: anniversary of our US Army. And by the way, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the parade in Washington, d
Speaker 1: C amidst all the noise of the anti ice protest
Speaker 1: across the country, but it was phenomenal. And to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, as someone who believes that this country
Speaker 1: should celebrate an entity that has protected us for two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years and defends us on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: and to celebrate the American Flag, which was commissioned two
Speaker 1: years after the Army was created by the Continental Congress,
Speaker 1: and President Trump's birthday, I just focused on that on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I didn't I try, I purposely try to ignore the
Speaker 1: rest of the noise about the anti Trump, anti ice protests.
Speaker 2: Did you know?
Speaker 7: I actually did catch that on television d parade, and
Speaker 7: it made me wish that I had been there because
Speaker 7: those everything just I was very fascinated to see.
Speaker 6: For example, did you check.
Speaker 7: Out those robot dogs with the USR flag on it.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was just.
Speaker 7: Kind of like they were showing all of the you know,
Speaker 7: throughout history, you start with the you know, revolutionary war
Speaker 7: uniforms up to the present. In the eye, you've got
Speaker 7: this high tech stuff like these robot dogs, which kind
Speaker 7: of blew my mind. Actually laughed out loud and I
Speaker 7: saw the robot dog. But yeah, it was really it
Speaker 7: was very good to see. Also from the standpoint that
Speaker 7: you had the commander in chief repeatedly standing and saluting.
Speaker 7: I believe they didn't show them all the time when
Speaker 7: the broadcast I was watching, but it appeared he was saluting.
Speaker 7: Like every new unit that showed up, he stood and saluted,
Speaker 7: and a lot of other people up there on the
Speaker 7: dais with him, you know, remained seated that he stood
Speaker 7: and saluted.
Speaker 1: You know, the the alphabet networks what we call the
Speaker 1: mainstream media, and you know, the usual suspects CBSCNN, certainly
Speaker 1: not the Epoch Times mentioned over two hundred times the
Speaker 1: phrase peaceful protests as cars are being burned, as rocks
Speaker 1: and cinder blocks and pieces of curb concrete are being
Speaker 1: thrown at ice officers and the police in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: for example, and that they're calling them peaceful, like two
Speaker 1: hundred times, as if they were trying to push that narrative.
Speaker 1: And this happens so often with a lot of news
Speaker 1: outlets that are supposed to be journalists. You're a journalist.
Speaker 1: You don't take sides, you just report what actually is
Speaker 1: going on. Did you see a lot of peaceful protests,
Speaker 1: especially at the inception of the Los Angeles riots.
Speaker 7: Well, we do have staff out there in LA on
Speaker 7: the ground. I haven't been there since I'm here in Ohio,
Speaker 7: but I have been assisting with that coverage from a distance,
Speaker 7: and you know, I was afraid for their safety based
Speaker 7: on some of the things they were telling me. And
Speaker 7: you know, just additional reports that we've all seen. If
Speaker 7: you've paid any attention at all, you know that media
Speaker 7: people with a lot more wearing helmets and being you know,
Speaker 7: pushed back. The police are telling them, hey, for your safety,
Speaker 7: you got to come over here. So that whole situation,
Speaker 7: you know, it's very interesting to see what is happening
Speaker 7: behind the scenes that is fueling these protests. Very interestingly.
Speaker 7: Originally it was stated as oh, it's just against ice,
Speaker 7: but the raids that happened on June the sixth, Friday,
Speaker 7: a little more than a week ago, it feels like
Speaker 7: a month ago. There's been so much happening, but that
Speaker 7: June sixth raid didn't involve just ice. In fact, involved
Speaker 7: like I believe four or maybe five different federal agencies.
Speaker 7: And they weren't just in you know, going after illegal immigants.
Speaker 7: They were going to ask to people who had criminal
Speaker 7: records and or may have been involved in a money
Speaker 7: laundering operation that also allegedly involved like tax evasion and
Speaker 7: things like that. So, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 7: it was a purposeful mischaracterization of it just in the
Speaker 7: heat of initial reports, or if there was like an agenda,
Speaker 7: or maybe the the people funding these protests are trying
Speaker 7: to push the anti immigration, anti immigration law enforcement agenda.
Speaker 6: I mean, I really don't know at this point, but
Speaker 6: I can.
Speaker 7: Tell you that, you know, there has been a lot
Speaker 7: of concern rays about who has been bankrolling these people.
Speaker 7: Don't just show up, you know, with these expensive masks.
Speaker 7: These are high tech, quote bionic masks that they were wearing.
Speaker 6: And if you are intending.
Speaker 7: To do a peaceful protest, is that a piece of
Speaker 7: equipment you would really want to bring or need to bring.
Speaker 1: Or the shields or yeah, any thing else that these
Speaker 1: protesters were provided that There was video I saw of
Speaker 1: a pickup truck delivering signs and masks, and of course
Speaker 1: there were piles of bricks that were just wow, how
Speaker 1: did those show up there on the streets of LA
Speaker 1: in front of federal buildings, in front of federal troops.
Speaker 1: And as I always say, protest is permitted in this
Speaker 1: country as long as there's not criminal activity going on
Speaker 1: in association with those protests, like say, for example, attacking
Speaker 1: police officers and ice assaulting them, setting vehicles on fire,
Speaker 1: threatening federal buildings and the like. That's not First Amendment
Speaker 1: protected as far as my reading of the Constitution goes.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you or anyone else, what well.
Speaker 7: The amount of fireworks that have been lobbed at the
Speaker 7: police there alone, it just makes you worry for their safety.
Speaker 6: I'm surprised we haven't had.
Speaker 7: You know, more reports of you know, god forbid, you know,
Speaker 7: any a police officers being really really badly hurt or killed,
Speaker 7: especially there.
Speaker 6: I remember there was some footage.
Speaker 7: Again I didn't cover this, some of this, but there
Speaker 7: was a tall building that where people were standing up
Speaker 7: there and the officers were training there uh quote unquote
Speaker 7: less lethal or less stand lethal force like rubber bullets
Speaker 7: or whatever up there, because if you throw a concrete
Speaker 7: block from way way up high and you hit an
Speaker 7: officer in the head, even if it's h or maybe even.
Speaker 6: You know, a spectator.
Speaker 7: You know, that's obviously a very, very dangerous situation. And
Speaker 7: the whole thing has been very The word I would
Speaker 7: like to use is volatile.
Speaker 1: Yes, And Jennie, you remember the case locally perhaps where
Speaker 1: eight Cincinnati police officers had surrounded a subject to a
Speaker 1: threatening people with a brick and he was mentally disturbed.
Speaker 1: But the ultimate determination in the validity of them taking
Speaker 1: that suspect down and eventually sadly killing him was that
Speaker 1: it was determined that, yes, a brick can be a
Speaker 1: lethal weapon.
Speaker 4: You remember that story, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do.
Speaker 6: Oh, actually that was quite a few years ago, but yes,
Speaker 6: I do remember that.
Speaker 7: And we had a lot of protests and riots and
Speaker 7: things happening in Cincinnati too.
Speaker 4: It's a dangerous sign absolutely.
Speaker 1: The story that took all the oxygen out of that,
Speaker 1: I think was the dreadful story out of Minnesota where
Speaker 1: some lawmakers were murdered and others attempted to be murdered
Speaker 1: by a deranged guy who was now in custody. This
Speaker 1: is a story you're working on for the Epoch Times
Speaker 1: do out tomorrow. Tell me what you know and what
Speaker 1: you think you know about this story so far.
Speaker 7: So, this guy named Vance Luther Bolter apparently surrendered by crawling.
Speaker 6: I don't know the details on that yet, but.
Speaker 7: Crawling to the police to surrender after a manhunt of
Speaker 7: like a couple of days, and this was actually on
Speaker 7: his own property. So very there's a lot of information
Speaker 7: that we're still trying to pull together and verify. We're
Speaker 7: seeing a lot of reports out there that, you know,
Speaker 7: we believe in independently verifying using official sources such as
Speaker 7: court records, speaking to the police, getting court records, not
Speaker 7: just rely on what other media say. The only exception
Speaker 7: would be say that President Trump gives an interview on TV,
Speaker 7: then you know, if he's actually directly speaking or something
Speaker 7: like that, is speaking or they give news conference, will
Speaker 7: use the video comments. But we do our own independent research.
Speaker 7: So I'm very very proud of that because I think
Speaker 7: a lot of media outlets just borrow what ends up
Speaker 7: being incorrect information from other media.
Speaker 6: We tried very hard.
Speaker 7: So with that said, there's some very interesting background things
Speaker 7: about this guy. He actually had a security company in
Speaker 7: recent years. But there's a lot of question about, you know,
Speaker 7: whether this security company was really really operational or what.
Speaker 6: Was going on. And I'm sure many.
Speaker 7: If people have already heard that this person is accused
Speaker 7: of showing up at these Democrat lawmakers homes, opening fire,
Speaker 7: and having on a mask and a police uniform, like
Speaker 7: impersonating police officer, but with a mask on. So it's
Speaker 7: a really strange situation. I have seen reports that. Again
Speaker 7: I'm trying to verify all of this. This is all
Speaker 7: developing just this morning. I know that there were things
Speaker 7: such as the people who were targeted, at least one
Speaker 7: of them, voted to deny healthcare benefits to illegal immigrants,
Speaker 7: and there was some suspicion that maybe this was motivated
Speaker 7: by resistance to that. But I've also seen other suspicions
Speaker 7: that perhaps there was a a an anti abortion or
Speaker 7: pro life component to this.
Speaker 6: So a lot is still being.
Speaker 7: Really i guess verified at this point about this.
Speaker 6: This gentleman.
Speaker 7: He was appointed by the Governor of Minnesota, Tim Waltz
Speaker 7: to serve on a commission. He actually was originally appointed
Speaker 7: in twenty sixteen by the former governor Mark Dathan to
Speaker 7: serve on the Governor's Workforce Development Board, and so again
Speaker 7: he has some important political connections there as well. So
Speaker 7: we'll have to see, you know, what all comes out.
Speaker 7: You know, obviously the investigation is still underway. The arrest
Speaker 7: just happened. You know, he was supposed to be in
Speaker 7: court for you know, murder charge just because of Unfortunately,
Speaker 7: the one lawmaker and her husband did die from the
Speaker 7: gun shot wounds that they suffered, God bless and you know,
Speaker 7: the other two lawmaker lawmaker and spouse also were injured
Speaker 7: at a different address, I think in the.
Speaker 6: Same general area. So just a lot going on there,
Speaker 6: and that was you know, this.
Speaker 7: All came out the morning of the quote unquote no
Speaker 7: King's protests and also of the two hundred and fiftieth
Speaker 7: anniversary of the army as you pointed out, So all
Speaker 7: of this, this shooting and everything happened there in Minnesota
Speaker 7: that same day. So a lot going on on Saturday,
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and real quickly, I've got about three minutes left
Speaker 1: sadly for our conversation tonight.
Speaker 4: Janis Heisel.
Speaker 1: There was a report, extensive report you did for the
Speaker 1: Epoch Times about the safety of the airline industry in general.
Speaker 1: And you discovered some pretty frightening things, frightening details about
Speaker 1: what's going on that a lot of travelers may not
Speaker 1: know about.
Speaker 7: Well, yes, yes, actually I originally reported on some of
Speaker 7: this back in twenty twenty two, and in a rare
Speaker 7: instance where we actually digits anonymous sources, that we had
Speaker 7: some people on the record, including a federal whistleblower, a pilot.
Speaker 6: Who went on the record.
Speaker 7: She would not say which airline she works for, and
Speaker 7: we respected that, but used her name and everything describing
Speaker 7: her concerns about.
Speaker 6: The qualifications of people. It's not to say.
Speaker 7: They're completely unqualified necessarily, but people were describing to us
Speaker 7: situations in which someone who happens to be in a
Speaker 7: minority group, or perhaps a female or another group that
Speaker 7: they're trying to quote unquote promote with diversity, are being
Speaker 7: given for chances that other people would not now. I
Speaker 7: opened my story with an anecdote from a female airline
Speaker 7: captain who told me that a routine flight to Denver
Speaker 7: changed her view of aviation safety. But it wasn't because
Speaker 7: of in slight crisis. What happened was, for the first
Speaker 7: time in her decades long career, she heard a conversation.
Speaker 7: She had a conversation with a flight instructor who told
Speaker 7: her about all these steps that management took to salvage
Speaker 7: the career of a young female trainee.
Speaker 6: And this particular trainee.
Speaker 7: Failed the most basic pilot training test, repeatedly crashing a
Speaker 7: computer simulation flight. And this, from what I understand, it
Speaker 7: proved that this particular trainee did not know how to
Speaker 7: operate an airplane's three most basic control mechanisms. And that's
Speaker 7: just basic, basic stuff. And this was a direct quote.
Speaker 7: This pilot told me that the trainee was quote rehabilitated
Speaker 7: and allowed to continue even though she should have been
Speaker 7: washed out.
Speaker 6: Wow, And the.
Speaker 7: Pilot said, I don't care if you're a man or
Speaker 7: a woman. That is concerning to me. And this particular
Speaker 7: pilot was hired years ago before all this DEI initiative
Speaker 7: diversity equity inclusion initiatives took hold trying to promote people,
Speaker 7: and she and many other people I talked to.
Speaker 6: I talked to more than a dozen sources for this story,
Speaker 6: and no.
Speaker 7: One is sitting there going, oh, we don't want women
Speaker 7: to be policed, we don't want minorities.
Speaker 6: To be policed. But what they don't.
Speaker 7: They definitely don't want is to see any standards reduced
Speaker 7: or people given extra chances just because they happened to
Speaker 7: be fitting one of those checks of boxes categories. The
Speaker 7: same female pilot that I talked to also told me
Speaker 7: that they after the trainees finished that initial training in
Speaker 7: the simulator, they go on the actual airplane under the
Speaker 7: guidance of an experienced pilot, and some of these training
Speaker 7: pilots have reported that the students are now taking four
Speaker 7: times as long to finish a mandatory training.
Speaker 4: Janis Heizel, Janis Sizel.
Speaker 1: That's simply terrifying for anybody's going to be thirty thousand
Speaker 1: feet in the air going five hundred miles an hour
Speaker 1: anytime soon, something to consider at least. Thank you for
Speaker 1: all of your great reporting. The Epoch Times is the
Speaker 1: place where you can find Janis Heizel, and she'll have
Speaker 1: new information as much as she can glean tomorrow morning
Speaker 1: on the Epoch Times on the terrible murders in Minnesota
Speaker 1: with the suspect under arrest now and facing court. And
Speaker 1: when you get more information, we'll get more information from you.
Speaker 1: Thank God. The Epoch Times is there in a world
Speaker 1: of a lot of biased news sources and just one
Speaker 1: real quick thing before we go.
Speaker 4: Janis.
Speaker 1: My other favorite news feed besides the Epoch Times is
Speaker 1: the Babbel on b which of course is a political
Speaker 1: satire site.
Speaker 4: And here's today's headline.
Speaker 1: Trump is a king, say people freely protesting in a
Speaker 1: free country probably wouldn't wouldn't happen in a kingdom?
Speaker 4: Probably?
Speaker 1: Janis thank you, have a good night, and we'll look
Speaker 1: for your latest piece tomorrow morning.
Speaker 6: Thanks so much, I joy, thank.
Speaker 4: You, you got it.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's much more ahead, including fur Ball and the
Speaker 1: wild Man coming up next hour Sports for the out
Speaker 1: of Sorts on the Nightcap on seven hundred WL our height.
Speaker 4: As we roll.
Speaker 1: In to another hour of the Nightcap, Sports and more
Speaker 1: for the out of Sorts.
Speaker 4: And when I think of out.
Speaker 1: Of sorts, I think of this next guest, my friend
Speaker 1: Andy Furman, because he gets a little worked up sometimes
Speaker 1: and not always about sports. And I mean he's he
Speaker 1: has got a multi colored palette. He is all over
Speaker 1: the place, and sometimes he gets a little bit worked
Speaker 1: up about things. And that's why I love to talk
Speaker 1: to the fur Ball. And we're gonna do it right
Speaker 1: now without any further delay. The one, the only Andy Furman.
Speaker 1: Good evening, sir.
Speaker 5: Good evening. You know, I appreciate that. And sometimes when
Speaker 5: I get worked up, I'm somewhat correct.
Speaker 2: You have to admit that. Put a little addendum on it. Yes,
Speaker 2: And other times someplace else.
Speaker 1: And other times when you get worked up, people go,
Speaker 1: my god, he's got the weirdest takes in the world.
Speaker 4: I said, I know.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question before we get involved,
Speaker 5: before I get the steamroller rolling here.
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: Is it a tendency that when you get a little older,
Speaker 5: you get a little more worked up, maybe because you
Speaker 5: don't care what you say. Just let it all out.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, believe me. Believe me, I got I got
Speaker 1: very few filters left. In fact, that it's a danger
Speaker 1: to put me on the air anymore, because you never
Speaker 1: know when I'm going to go off, and you know,
Speaker 1: start firing cannons at people.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Well, let me get started right now, because
Speaker 5: I want to put an APV out there all points please.
Speaker 5: Has anybody seen a Tad Puravle? Hello, mayor Paravle?
Speaker 2: Where are you?
Speaker 5: You could come out of hiding right now? Really, you
Speaker 5: really can, I get it. You're afraid to go downtown.
Speaker 5: You're afraid of going to fill me mark.
Speaker 8: You know why, You're.
Speaker 5: Afraid to get shot. That's why. Will you please clean
Speaker 5: up this downtown city?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 5: You know what, they shouldn't have a march on King's Ear.
Speaker 5: They should have a march on city Hall. That's what
Speaker 5: they should get in there, do your job, roll up
Speaker 5: your sleeves and clean up the city. I got a
Speaker 5: couple of ideas how you could do it, but I
Speaker 5: want your take on it. Downtown, you got business people
Speaker 5: suffering because people are fearful are going downtown over the rhine,
Speaker 5: wherever it may be, to have dinner, or to go
Speaker 5: to a show, wherever it may be, maybe even a ballgame,
Speaker 5: maybe even a ballgame.
Speaker 1: Really, but it's too pronged in my opinion. Number one
Speaker 1: is there is a great, great just concertment in many
Speaker 1: neighborhoods with police. And it's not because of the police.
Speaker 1: It's because it's been bred a lot by the media
Speaker 1: telling people, you know, here we have this guy, this
Speaker 1: this nut job in Minnesota who's dressed as a police
Speaker 1: officer who knocks on somebody's door and then just sprays
Speaker 1: him with bullets, killing two lawmakers there. He's in custody
Speaker 1: now and and severely critically injuring two more who were
Speaker 1: still hanging onto life as we speak, Andy, And he
Speaker 1: was dressed as a police officer, So I mean.
Speaker 5: I don't want to keep it right here. Well, he
Speaker 5: thought that Lunatico had the ankle bracelet on his leg
Speaker 5: and cut it off, and he was arrested once and
Speaker 5: he went back to stiff. Someone stiffed the weightlifter at
Speaker 5: the chimp and over the rhine in his home.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Well, okay, here's the second prong of it.
Speaker 1: Besides the disenchantment of the police in some neighborhoods, and
Speaker 1: people won't even talk to the police when a shooting
Speaker 1: or a crime happens. When you have these these prosecutors
Speaker 1: and these judges who are letting this guy, the one
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, back out of jail when he's an
Speaker 1: obvious animal and should be locked in a cage for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life because he is beyond rehabilitation,
Speaker 1: and this revolving door of the justice system. Did you know, Andy,
Speaker 1: that eighty seven percent the last statistics I saw, eighty
Speaker 1: seven percent of violent crimes are recidibus crimes in other words,
Speaker 1: it's the same people over and over and over break
Speaker 1: in because you soft on.
Speaker 5: Crimes, doing their job, but they get no supportive backup
Speaker 5: to do their job.
Speaker 2: You've got to do it correct.
Speaker 1: You've got soft on crime, limp risted prosecutors and judges
Speaker 1: who are letting the animals out of their cages.
Speaker 4: And they just returned to their.
Speaker 5: Say the liberal judges, and they say, give me the chance,
Speaker 5: you know, they need to go out.
Speaker 4: That's a component. That's a component.
Speaker 1: And part of it too, is this left think that
Speaker 1: has invaded our criminal justice system that says, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not their fault, it's society's fault. Because they check
Speaker 1: a box, they belong in this category, or they're this
Speaker 1: person or that person simply because of race or skin
Speaker 1: color or whatever, or the way they you know, the
Speaker 1: neighborhood they come from.
Speaker 4: It's not really their fault, it's our fault.
Speaker 1: So we have to live with these animals on our streets,
Speaker 1: these criminals who commit crimes over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over again and are still out amongst us in society.
Speaker 5: Okay, So what I heard today and I was listening
Speaker 5: this morning to discuss Sloan and his guest was saying
Speaker 5: that they want to have a thirty additional cops on
Speaker 5: the street. All right, sounds good. Ain't gonna work. And
Speaker 5: let me tell you why it's not going to work.
Speaker 5: If the cops don't get support from judges or anybody else,
Speaker 5: or from the city or from the mayor, ain't gonna work.
Speaker 5: But I got the plan. I got that. As ridiculous
Speaker 5: as it may sound. You and you you hit it
Speaker 5: on the head when you introduce me the fact that
Speaker 5: I do say things that may be off the cuff,
Speaker 5: But I think this works.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: I need to get the mayor, his whole crew and
Speaker 5: everybody else who's involved in the city here, which is
Speaker 5: going down the cropper to sit in the room and
Speaker 5: watch this movie with al Pacino and the name.
Speaker 8: Of the movie with Curproco.
Speaker 5: Why don't I say that?
Speaker 2: Remember the story New York City?
Speaker 5: Oh right, Curproco was a New York City cop who
Speaker 5: went undercover. And the point of the matter is this,
Speaker 5: if I go to u DF, there's a good chance
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna steal a bag of chips if there's
Speaker 5: a competent door. And if I go to u DF
Speaker 5: and I see no one in the store. So maybe
Speaker 5: one guy in the back wearing a dirty T shirt,
Speaker 5: I may put that bag of chips in my pocket. However,
Speaker 5: he might be an undercover cop. There's a better chance
Speaker 5: of catching the no good Nicks with undercover cops. That's
Speaker 5: what you need. When the cops here in uniform. The
Speaker 5: bad guys don't show up, they go somewhere else, you idiot,
Speaker 5: That's what they do. So sit in the room. What's
Speaker 5: what he did to New York City? And he cleaned
Speaker 5: it up, That's what he did.
Speaker 4: The no good Knicks.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought they were just I just thought
Speaker 1: they were the Knicks who fired their coach after getting
Speaker 1: to the NBA Conference first.
Speaker 5: Seven years, take them to the Eastern Finals after twenty
Speaker 5: five years.
Speaker 9: That's a joke. That's a story for another day. Yeah,
Speaker 9: the no good Knicks. I love that term. Uh so, Yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean Surperco is a fine example. You know, the
Speaker 9: Cincinnati Police Department does have undercover police officers. I know, well,
Speaker 9: I mean yeah, but what it also tells me, what's
Speaker 9: your illustration? Your example of you going into UDF to
Speaker 9: steal a bag of potato chips and you wouldn't do
Speaker 9: if there was a cop.
Speaker 4: There is that living inside.
Speaker 1: Andy Furman is a petty thief who's looking for the
Speaker 1: next opportunity to steal a bag of potato chips from NBA.
Speaker 5: If I'm going to rob something, I'm going bigger than ships,
Speaker 5: all right, I mean come on.
Speaker 4: What okay?
Speaker 2: Where do you give me some credit? There?
Speaker 1: Where do you where are you getting? Where do you
Speaker 1: draw the line at? What's too small of something to
Speaker 1: be stolen?
Speaker 5: Where if you want to go for something big? Maybe
Speaker 5: a tank of gas at u DF. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, you know, and I got the way to
Speaker 5: do it too. You drive in, you do the self service,
Speaker 5: and you put a towel over your license plate and
Speaker 5: drive away.
Speaker 1: Well, most pumps won't operate unless you put a credit
Speaker 1: card in Andy.
Speaker 5: Not really, not really now really, you go inside and
Speaker 5: you tell them how many gallons you want, and that's
Speaker 5: you know, when.
Speaker 4: They're paying them.
Speaker 2: Done that. I've never done it.
Speaker 4: That was it, that was possible?
Speaker 1: And uh you know maybe twenty years ago before people
Speaker 1: got hiped to your tricks.
Speaker 2: Mister.
Speaker 4: Uh so what about would you?
Speaker 9: I just thought about would you, for example, you have security?
Speaker 5: You got straight I'm an honest. Per First, let me
Speaker 5: tell you this. Anybody in this day and age wants
Speaker 5: to rob somebody, pull them up, stick them up, go
Speaker 5: to a house. And you gotta be out of your
Speaker 5: freaking mind or drugged up, or you probably are because
Speaker 5: this cameras everywhere everywhere, parking lots everywhere. I mean, come on, really,
Speaker 5: how stupid could you be? But you know, obviously they're
Speaker 5: drugged up, and I think that's what They're desperate and
Speaker 5: drugged up, that's why they do it.
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're looking for maybe they're looking for three
Speaker 1: hots and a cot in the County Detention Center.
Speaker 2: Listen, and I gotta move on.
Speaker 10: I know, I be down.
Speaker 5: I't I want to be soft people, because there was
Speaker 5: some good news at the point right.
Speaker 1: Right, and we're gonna we're gonna get to that after
Speaker 1: this break. Okay, can you be very much Andy Furman
Speaker 1: with us this half hour of the Nightcap with information
Speaker 1: that you need to know, especially if you're aft tab
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Speaker 4: All right, Hold on, Andy last left, Andy Furrman.
Speaker 1: He was stealing bags and potato chips from the UDF
Speaker 1: and encouraging mayor to watch Cuproco along with the rest
Speaker 1: of city council.
Speaker 5: And so now we can watch Cyproco and with the
Speaker 5: biggest tips in the sandel give them that.
Speaker 4: You stole from a UDF. All right, let's get wish
Speaker 4: you and go down that road.
Speaker 1: Andy Furman also works public relations for a fantastic organization
Speaker 1: in northern Kentucky called the Point Arc And there was
Speaker 1: big news that you wanted to.
Speaker 2: Remind last Thursday.
Speaker 5: They turned over the ground.
Speaker 8: They turned over the dirty.
Speaker 5: Sixty one to twenty five first financial drive in Burlington
Speaker 5: last week last Thursday to be Execututy Girding was there,
Speaker 5: the president and founder of the Point doc fifty three
Speaker 5: years ago. It's an advanced care home, the first such
Speaker 5: in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. And why an advanced care home,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you because individuals a living longer right now.
Speaker 5: The medical leeds are more involved. And obviously Judy even
Speaker 5: said that they didn't want to surrender to nursing homes.
Speaker 5: We want to keep the family unit intact. So what
Speaker 5: is this going to be. It's going to be done
Speaker 5: in the spring of twenty twenty six, hopefully six bedroom
Speaker 5: in one additional bedroom for someone who wants to spend
Speaker 5: a night there, maybe a caregiver or a parent, And
Speaker 5: it's going to be their twenty four to seven operation
Speaker 5: about six thousand square feet and it's going to be
Speaker 5: available and obviously built to service those people with individual
Speaker 5: physical handicaps and needs. Okay, and that's what they're going
Speaker 5: to have. The accessories will be a higher roof, why
Speaker 5: the doorways, why the hallways, over head lifts. It's going
Speaker 5: to be wonderful and obviously, as I said before, it's
Speaker 5: going to be the first ever in the Commonwealth of
Speaker 5: Kentucky advance care.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's fantastic. These people with Down syndrome sometimes or
Speaker 1: other as you said, autism, physical, yeah, mental disabilities or challenges.
Speaker 1: And to the point, ARC works twenty four to seven,
Speaker 1: three sixty five a year to not only provide homes,
Speaker 1: but provide all kinds of care, to give people jobs
Speaker 1: so they can feel like they're lives are fulfilled because
Speaker 1: these people have a lot to offer.
Speaker 4: All of that does and so that's wonderful news.
Speaker 5: And you don't what this football. There's a sports story
Speaker 5: attached to this as well. If you want to hear it,
Speaker 5: look to share with you this concept for This advanced
Speaker 5: care Home started between the years of two thousand and
Speaker 5: three and two thousand and five. When did they started
Speaker 5: group of Boom County High School alums co hosted by
Speaker 5: Shawn Alexander who played in the National Football League. They
Speaker 5: raised on hundred forty nine thousand dollars to support the
Speaker 5: construction at the time of the advanced care home, but
Speaker 5: they are inspired by the late great football coach at
Speaker 5: Boom County High School, Owen how Why because he wanted
Speaker 5: to bring his son Glenn home from a state institution,
Speaker 5: Oakwood State Institution that was in Somerset, Kentucky. However, the
Speaker 5: bud news was Glenn his son passed away in two
Speaker 5: thousand and five and Owen, his dad to former coach,
Speaker 5: passed away in twenty sixteen. But Judy Girding promised that
Speaker 5: they would have this place, this advanced care Home built
Speaker 5: his honor with the Goal Line Slam Committee. And certainly
Speaker 5: what happened was there was an anonymous donor that gave
Speaker 5: the point off this property two point three seven acre
Speaker 5: property in Burlington and basically that's where it is today.
Speaker 5: It's an amazing, amazing story, really is that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Can we talk sports for just a minute or two
Speaker 1: before you're done, and we got about four minutes. So
Speaker 1: the Reds off today obviously, that's why we're here sharing
Speaker 1: these fifty thousand watch together, Andy, and they're back above
Speaker 1: five hundred again. They keep playing this game back and forth,
Speaker 1: you know where it's like they'll go on a run.
Speaker 1: And you know, that was pretty incredible, taking the series
Speaker 1: from the team with the best record in baseball at
Speaker 1: this point, the Detroit Tigers for.
Speaker 8: The last six, for their last six.
Speaker 2: Somebody's beginning to gel. Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 5: But you know, again, the beauty, I guess, or maybe
Speaker 5: the horror sort of speak. You take your pick, take
Speaker 5: a choice of baseball. Following baseball's like a roller coaster,
Speaker 5: you go up and down. I mean, they need to
Speaker 5: go on a run. They need to run off like
Speaker 5: seven of the next eight.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 5: And I'm concerned about this, you know, hunt of Green injury,
Speaker 5: because he's going to be gone. They say now for
Speaker 5: a while, and honestly, I mean, I want to check
Speaker 5: on the medical stands, Well, what is happening with this guy?
Speaker 5: I mean, why is he getting hurt? Because that's a
Speaker 5: tremendous loss you know, and the hitting seems to be
Speaker 5: coming around. I like to see a little more power
Speaker 5: in the lineup. But Ellie is hitting some home runs
Speaker 5: now lists four games consecutive home run So you know,
Speaker 5: I don't get too high, I don't get too low. However,
Speaker 5: I am rooting for them.
Speaker 2: Why what I root for them?
Speaker 5: A I like Tito very much. I like Nicrawl a lot.
Speaker 5: I like the Reds. But more than that, I think
Speaker 5: it's a great boon for the city. I think the
Speaker 5: city finds bunds together when the Reds win. It's great economically.
Speaker 5: Hotels get filled, restaurants get filled, bars get filled. So
Speaker 5: you know, it's a win win for the city, and
Speaker 5: everybody's happy when the Reds win. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when the Bengals win too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, there are benefits that go way
Speaker 1: beyond sports fans when ray these two major league teams
Speaker 1: are winning in Cincinnati, the Reds and the Bengals, and
Speaker 1: the other thing that's going on while we talk. It's
Speaker 1: in progress right now, Game five of the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Indiana Pacers. It's
Speaker 1: been a great series so far. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: get better than two to two after four games.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing that I'm concerned about it.
Speaker 2: As soon as the series started.
Speaker 5: Every media person you know with a microphone or pencil,
Speaker 5: whatever it may be, is laptop. They were concerned with
Speaker 5: the market size and star power, you know, get away
Speaker 5: from that, and then then they go into the TV race.
Speaker 2: I have no idea why.
Speaker 5: For years and I went part of the problem too.
Speaker 5: I used to go on the radio, and you know,
Speaker 5: locally and sometimes even nationally with Box would say, well
Speaker 5: the rdnings of that, who cares?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 5: I mean, really and truly, who really cares? When O
Speaker 5: Guy writes for USA Today in his column that the
Speaker 5: tea readings are down for the NBA funds, does he care?
Speaker 5: He's still watching the finals? And really with different platforms
Speaker 5: right now, I think it's very difficult to even tell
Speaker 5: if ratings are down or not. Really, I don't get it.
Speaker 5: It's not that important. You know, it's a great competitive series.
Speaker 8: Right now?
Speaker 5: Are there superstars out there to watch? I think there's
Speaker 5: somebuddy budding stuperstars. Terry's Halliburt and I'm thinking right now
Speaker 5: is on the verge of becoming the superstar GA GSA
Speaker 5: is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5: So it's great competitive basketball. Who cares what the market
Speaker 5: size is? You know, when the Kansas City Royals and
Speaker 5: Minnesota Twins were playing in the World Series years ago,
Speaker 5: no one cared about market size. When the Reds were
Speaker 5: in the World Series, no one cared about market size.
Speaker 5: Why do they care about market size in the NBA?
Speaker 5: Because I'll tell you why. Because the nature of the
Speaker 5: beast and coverage of sports, and I'm just say a
Speaker 5: little secret. I'm going to exposed and open up the
Speaker 5: curtain right now. The secret has always been you have
Speaker 5: to write about superlatives, the best, the worst, the biggest,
Speaker 5: the smallest, the highest, the lowest, and obviously you talk
Speaker 5: about market sizes one of the smallest superlatives. Cell That's
Speaker 5: what they do when they cover sports. Find out, start
Speaker 5: reading stories and listening to what they do on sports coverage.
Speaker 5: It's all about superlatives. Bingo, that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that this conversation was superlative, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way that I couldn't even imagined. Andy Furman,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Congratulations to the point arc and
Speaker 1: the groundbreaking of this advanced care home over on Burlington Pike,
Speaker 1: and uh it's it's projected opening next summer.
Speaker 4: And uh, you know what the what the heck man?
Speaker 1: Get ata have purvall some chips from UDF and make
Speaker 1: him sit and run a curcaco and give him some
Speaker 1: more advice on how to run the city and keep
Speaker 1: us safe.
Speaker 5: Oh, all right, and Hamilton County, I'd run from there.
Speaker 4: That would be entertaining, do you think, well, I.
Speaker 5: Clean up the die. I would be going Washington, DC
Speaker 5: all the time, that's for sure. I'd be in cincinnatiwhere
Speaker 5: I belong.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. Andy Furman. You can't
Speaker 1: spell Furman without fu. On the nightcap on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WF six, as we continue this hour of sports for
Speaker 1: the out of sorts, here is a guy, a local
Speaker 1: radio legend and also a legend in his own mind,
Speaker 1: who is on the verge of celebrating a big milestone birthday. Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It'll be Wildman Walker's birthday. I'm not going to mention
Speaker 1: the digits the age. He can if he'd like to.
Speaker 1: They're having a party for him at what MVP. I
Speaker 1: don't guess that I should have disclosed that because wild Man.
Speaker 1: The last thing he needs is more outside public attention
Speaker 1: and gift cards. That I've promised that sometime before he
Speaker 1: is a year older, he will get a gift card
Speaker 1: for me. But I'm a poor, lowly part time talk
Speaker 1: show hosts, so you know, I can afford what I
Speaker 1: can afford. We'll see what we can get together for
Speaker 1: wild Man in this special day that occurs tomorrow, the
Speaker 1: anniversary of his birth. Wild Man Walker, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Nightcap once again, sir. It's good to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Good talking to you.
Speaker 10: Gary Yay, I will turn the big seven five. My mother,
Speaker 10: my mother, she it's her birthday today, and of course
Speaker 10: on Wednesday it is sir, Paul McCartney's birthday.
Speaker 1: So three important birthdays in a row. And McCartney and
Speaker 1: your mom have a few years on you. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my mom has gone that Paul is alive and
Speaker 1: picking God love him, no doubt about it. I believe
Speaker 1: it was nineteen forty two, so that makes him eighty three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul McCartney.
Speaker 2: And he's got good jeans, that's for sure. He's definitely
Speaker 2: got some good jeans.
Speaker 10: And by the way, you mentioned that the party, the
Speaker 10: party will be at a celebrating a party at a
Speaker 10: MVP sports bar, Silverton, eight to twelve on Friday.
Speaker 8: My boy, my boy Shaggy who works at.
Speaker 10: WEBN, his band jet Pack Academy. Well rock the house
Speaker 10: and they have you never seen Jetpack Academy.
Speaker 1: I've come on and join the party. It's free, no cover,
Speaker 1: all right, wild Man, that out of the way. You
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about the Reds. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's it's an off game, off day for the Reds.
Speaker 1: That's why we're here. Uh, and they're back above five hundred.
Speaker 1: La de la Cruz just had a blistering road trip. Man,
Speaker 1: four games in a row. He's gone yard and the
Speaker 1: Reds seem to be kind of clicking right now. But
Speaker 1: as we've seen throughout this season, it's an up and
Speaker 1: down kind of thing with this team. Where do you
Speaker 1: see him going? And you've got some advice for him.
Speaker 10: This month of June, of course, we were all looking
Speaker 10: at the schedule, how tough it.
Speaker 3: Was going to be.
Speaker 10: I mean, they're playing that, they're playing the Tigers, they're
Speaker 10: playing the Twins, you know, starting tomorrow, who are over
Speaker 10: five hundred. They play, they play the Cardinals, who you
Speaker 10: know who are really the Reds, Daddy. Then they play
Speaker 10: the Yankees here in town, then they play the Red Sox.
Speaker 10: So they got a really tough schedule. But so far
Speaker 10: they've been able to hold their own. I mean, they
Speaker 10: went four and two on the road trip. Y'all take
Speaker 10: that any old day. There's they're still they're still in
Speaker 10: the hunt for the NL Central.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 10: Talk about the wild Card. I always think it's way
Speaker 10: too early to start talking about the wildcard. But you
Speaker 10: got these talking heads on TV that's got to, you know,
Speaker 10: dot have something to say. But four and two road
Speaker 10: trip Li de la Cruz right now, if if I'm
Speaker 10: picking the All Star team, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 10: voting him to play the start at short stuff. But
Speaker 10: Li de la Cruz is on the NL All Star Team,
Speaker 10: and so is so is the Abbott, and so is
Speaker 10: uh free J Friedel. They're all three on there on
Speaker 10: the All Star team.
Speaker 2: They really are.
Speaker 1: And it has been absolutely amazing watching the uh the
Speaker 1: progression of TJ.
Speaker 4: Friedel.
Speaker 1: He has become a hit machine like the Reds haven't
Speaker 1: seen in a while. And you know, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter whether it's a home run or whether it's a
Speaker 1: sprayed single, that you know, or a double, or a
Speaker 1: walk or or a walk.
Speaker 2: TJ.
Speaker 1: Friedel has become a breakout star for the Reds. Not
Speaker 1: like he wasn't already one of the main line players
Speaker 1: obviously for this this ball club. But man, lately, TJ
Speaker 1: Friedel has been on a rule And you mentioned Andrew.
Speaker 10: If you were talking about untradable players right now, TJ.
Speaker 10: Friedel would be in the mix. Him and him and
Speaker 10: Dala de la Cruz, they would be definitely in the mix.
Speaker 10: That you cannot train those guys. I mean TJ plays
Speaker 10: center field, one of the toughest positions. Of course, Li
Speaker 10: plays shortstop, and TJ has always been a good outfielder.
Speaker 10: I've never requested his club, but he really took the
Speaker 10: heart that little chat that Terry Francona had with him
Speaker 10: just before the season started. You got to get on
Speaker 10: get on base twice, man, and we'll be in good shape.
Speaker 2: And he's done that.
Speaker 10: Here's a great stat for you, as up and down
Speaker 10: this season has been carried yeah for the Reds, losing streaks,
Speaker 10: winning streaks, you know, just injuries.
Speaker 2: How about this.
Speaker 10: The Reds are the only team in Major League Baseball
Speaker 10: not to have been experienced a sweep. They have not
Speaker 10: been swept by anybody. Every team of them Major League
Speaker 10: Baseball has been swept with the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 2: In the series.
Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: That crazy, you know, and as down in the mouth
Speaker 1: as people get when they go through that you know,
Speaker 1: five or six game Wayne, where you know, they dip
Speaker 1: back below five hundred. They haven't been swept at all
Speaker 1: this year. Have not been swept at all this year.
Speaker 1: That is simply amazing. It's a good stat you know,
Speaker 1: in a world that relies on stats all the time,
Speaker 1: the mundane and the day to day and figuring out
Speaker 1: how many games behind the Reds are in the wild Card,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, that is an important stat because you
Speaker 1: know that you mentioned the part of the schedule for
Speaker 1: the Reds and we're right beginning it in the heart
Speaker 1: of it actually with the road trip to Detroit. For example,
Speaker 1: Detroit was twenty games above five hundred when this series started.
Speaker 2: And twenty and nine at home.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you know, jeez, this this could be a
Speaker 1: precursor for good things, especially with the Yankees coming to town.
Speaker 1: You wanted to talk about the Savannah Bananas announcer at
Speaker 1: the games this past weekend. I'm introducing Sean Casey, Bronson Arroyo,
Speaker 1: Todd Frazier, and Danny Graves as Red's Legends. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: wild Man on their choice of Red's Legends.
Speaker 10: Well, let me back, let me back up here first,
Speaker 10: because this.
Speaker 2: Is this ties it in with the other thing.
Speaker 10: I was in Kanton, Ohio on Friday to watch the
Speaker 10: Indian Hill Boys baseball team play in the state semi finals. Unfortunately,
Speaker 10: we came a one run short and then still bothers
Speaker 10: me how we had many chances to beat Musky Perkins,
Speaker 10: who by the way, did not win the state title,
Speaker 10: so that was a good thing, and we lost four
Speaker 10: to three.
Speaker 2: But after the game.
Speaker 10: And then I went to the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 10: Fame with my buddy Tim Griffin. And after the Pro
Speaker 10: Football Hall of Fame, we went to a bar called Jersey's,
Speaker 10: a sports bar, and it wasn't bad except that music.
Speaker 2: Guy playing the music was a was a goofball.
Speaker 10: And while we're sitting there eating, I saw these three
Speaker 10: guys come in and I'm looking over and.
Speaker 2: I thought, Hey, Tim, is that Warren sappened?
Speaker 10: Because I was told that Warren sapp had been at
Speaker 10: the Pro Football Hall of Fame the day before sign
Speaker 10: an autographs. They bring a player in like once a
Speaker 10: week and they signed autographs and he goes, I don't know,
Speaker 10: he kind.
Speaker 2: Of looks like it.
Speaker 10: So he walks up to the DJ and the DJ said, no,
Speaker 10: that's Marcus dupri So my buddy sits down. I said,
Speaker 10: that's Marcus Dprix. I said yeah, I said he had
Speaker 10: he had. You know, he was a great high school player.
Speaker 10: He was doing a good college player.
Speaker 2: But he got hurt. This guy proceeded within.
Speaker 10: Five minutes to say, ladies and gentlemen in the house,
Speaker 10: please welcome the greatest running back ever in the history
Speaker 10: of football, Marcus Duprie. And I almost got out of
Speaker 10: the chair and walked over and punched him in the face.
Speaker 2: I said to myself, are you going to come on? Man?
Speaker 10: The greatest running back in the history of football? Marcus
Speaker 10: dupri get. So many touchdowns he had in the National
Speaker 10: Football League.
Speaker 4: Take a guess, I have no idea one one. He
Speaker 4: had one touchdown in the NFL down.
Speaker 10: He played a year and a half of college football
Speaker 10: and joined the USFL and got hurt, and then made
Speaker 10: it to the Saints had one touchdown, and this guy
Speaker 10: kept running over there and hugging him like he was
Speaker 10: like the greatest things in sliced bread. So here we
Speaker 10: have this announcer making this idiotic statement of the of
Speaker 10: the year that Mark's Dupree is the greatest running back
Speaker 10: in the history of football. Now fast forward to the
Speaker 10: Savanna Bananas. My buddy Greg sends me video of the
Speaker 10: some of the Bananas game and he says, here's your buddy,
Speaker 10: And the announcer says, please welcome the Cincinnati Reds legends.
Speaker 10: And of course he mentioned Sean Casey, Yeah, he's a
Speaker 10: Red legend. Bronson Arroyo, he's a Red legend. Yeah, Todd Fraser,
Speaker 10: he's not a Red's legend. And then Danny Graves a
Speaker 10: Red legend. I mean, is there anything not sacred anymore?
Speaker 10: Danny Graves, a Red legend who the last time on
Speaker 10: the mound a great American ballpark, served up a home run,
Speaker 10: walked off the mound, gave the one finger salute and
Speaker 10: an F bomb on a fan, and was fired the
Speaker 10: next day by Carl Lender. I wonder what was going
Speaker 10: on in that punt's mine when he was on the
Speaker 10: mound throwing, and I was told Gary Jeff that he
Speaker 10: gave up a home run in that game.
Speaker 4: He's got other issues besides his misjudgment on Danny Graves.
Speaker 2: Reds legend. Oh my god.
Speaker 10: And of course I went off on the I went
Speaker 10: off on the post and I had one guy say, well,
Speaker 10: he's the old time saves leader. I mean, that's the
Speaker 10: only comeback they can come on. And I have to
Speaker 10: come back and say his saves were crap, Nammy, Can
Speaker 10: you ever tell me one time he had a one
Speaker 10: two three inning? And I'm throwing that set up to
Speaker 10: know how many people tell me one time that Gary,
Speaker 10: that Danny Graves had a one two three inning. They go,
Speaker 10: I can never recall that he always walked, somebody gave
Speaker 10: up a double or whatnot. I said he had a
Speaker 10: pimple on the ass of John Franco, who should be
Speaker 10: in the Reds Hall of Fame and had a roll
Speaker 10: of Chapman. Stayed around another year, he'd be holding he'd
Speaker 10: be the Reds all time Saves leader. What a joke,
Speaker 10: Red legend. I got two words for Danny Graves as
Speaker 10: Red's legend, My ass of pimple on the butt of
Speaker 10: franco Yeah, who should be in the Red Soll of Fame.
Speaker 10: He won the Ros Relief Award twice. He is an
Speaker 10: e ra A has a red of two point eight nine.
Speaker 4: What was Danny Graves era wild man?
Speaker 2: Almost four?
Speaker 10: All almost four?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the great Red's Legend Danny Graves And.
Speaker 10: The last pitch he ever threw ended up in the
Speaker 10: left field seats and it was yanked out of the
Speaker 10: game by Dave Miley and fired, then fired by Carl Linder.
Speaker 2: Fired.
Speaker 4: Is Terry Francona doing exactly what they hired him to
Speaker 4: do with this?
Speaker 2: This I think he's doing.
Speaker 10: I think Terry, Terry knows how to handle guys. Terry's smart.
Speaker 10: He's great to listen to after the game. I mean,
Speaker 10: I mean, I get a little upset, but nothing nothing bad.
Speaker 10: But he's always got something to say and tries to
Speaker 10: say on the positive.
Speaker 2: I think the players like him. I got no complasion
Speaker 2: Terry Francona.
Speaker 10: The look at the guy's resume and then even though
Speaker 10: he's been out of baseball for a year, I mean
Speaker 10: he and he's learning this team because he didn't really
Speaker 10: know these guys.
Speaker 2: It takes a while. And when this is only Jude
Speaker 2: Now he knows, he pretty much knows what he's got
Speaker 2: and what he doesn't have. And I hear it.
Speaker 10: Hunter Green now might be out until All Star break,
Speaker 10: which is okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, Wade Miley, I'm.
Speaker 10: Shocked that he's been able to pitch as good as
Speaker 10: he has in those two outings. I can't believe teams
Speaker 10: haven't lit that guy up. But hey, right now, everything
Speaker 10: was clicking for the Reds, you know, not at first place,
Speaker 10: they're not in second place, but they're over five hundred.
Speaker 1: So he were like it be complained too much, well
Speaker 1: compared with, like you said, what he had to work
Speaker 1: with and getting to know the guys too.
Speaker 4: What is it about older managers?
Speaker 1: Is it just the experience that they bring to the table,
Speaker 1: you know, Because while a lot of people made hay
Speaker 1: about the fact that Terry Francona was getting up there
Speaker 1: in his seventies, just like you a questions about his health.
Speaker 1: The last time I saw an old skipper for the
Speaker 1: Reds that exceeded people's expectations was Jack McKeon.
Speaker 10: Absolutely trader Jack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, you have fond thoughts of Jack McKeon's
Speaker 1: tenure here as a Reds manager. He was, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a guy who understood the game and could
Speaker 1: work with those those young guys and get him to
Speaker 1: work as a cohesive unit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Look what he did down with the Florida Marlins. He
Speaker 10: got my World Series. N you know, he's got a
Speaker 10: World Series. I only had one issue with Jack mccanna.
Speaker 10: I was about not playing Pete Rose Junior enough when
Speaker 10: the season was over, and they should have played Pete
Speaker 10: Rose Junior and to get more fans down there. But
Speaker 10: Jack did a phenomenal job with the Reds.
Speaker 2: He really did.
Speaker 10: And you're right, the experience factor with the guy like
Speaker 10: Terry Francona makes all the difference. I mean, look at
Speaker 10: Bruce Bochie, he set out of baseball for three years,
Speaker 10: comes back Texas Rangers were in a World Series.
Speaker 2: Experience, man, experience, it matters.
Speaker 4: So while you were in Tenton, did you tour the
Speaker 4: Football Hall of Fame?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 10: Absolutely, And I had been there Gary Jeffs since nineteen
Speaker 10: seventy when it was just the dome outside.
Speaker 2: So it's changed so much.
Speaker 10: And I was concerned about going into the gallery where
Speaker 10: all the the bus were. I didn't know they were
Speaker 10: behind glass.
Speaker 2: But no, you can still touch the bus.
Speaker 10: So of course I go to my favorite bus, Joe
Speaker 10: name my guy, Joe Nama had a picture taken next
Speaker 10: to the bus. Then I've found the bus to Paul
Speaker 10: Brown founded the Bengals. I had to get a picture
Speaker 10: take him back next to the bust of Paul Brown.
Speaker 10: Jim Brown bus, the greatest running back ever was too
Speaker 10: high up. I did my buddy did take a picture
Speaker 10: of it. And then I went over to the bust
Speaker 10: of Joe Montana and I slapped that bus twice in
Speaker 10: the faith.
Speaker 1: Now you just mentioned arguably, and I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any argument about Jim Brown. So you've mentioned Marcus Dupree
Speaker 1: and Jim Brown, and this guy was putting Marcus dupri
Speaker 1: in the same Yeah, in the.
Speaker 10: Greatest running run history of football.
Speaker 4: Jim Brown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, take it, Jim Brown. Oh God, oh man.
Speaker 10: And PROSA Hall of Fame is worth every bit of
Speaker 10: the admssion.
Speaker 2: It is really cool. It is really cool. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I went. That's because, like I said, Benson's nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad.
Speaker 10: Of course, if you're in Canton and you're doing something,
Speaker 10: if you got an extra day, you gotta go.
Speaker 4: You gotta go to it. Highly recommended by the wild Man.
Speaker 4: Let's get the detail you recommend it, sir.
Speaker 1: Let's get to details again of the Big wild Man
Speaker 1: seventy fifth birthday celebration. Again, Tomorrow is the actual day,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Friday, You'll be celebrating.
Speaker 4: In Silverton at the MVP Sports Lounge.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 10: Sports Sportsport, MVP Sports Bar and Grill MVP and Silverton
Speaker 10: right there on Plainfield Road eight to twelve. No Cover
Speaker 10: Jet Pack Academy will rock the house. I will be
Speaker 10: kissing babies and shaking hands. And also tomorrow, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 10: it is the birthday of one Dave Concepts, the own.
Speaker 4: Big Red Machine.
Speaker 2: You could be.
Speaker 4: You should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10: I mean, if pe Ree Reach is in the Hall
Speaker 10: of Fame, and Phil Rizzuto is in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 10: and Harold Baines is in the Hall of Fame, davidceptcy
Speaker 10: Own should be in the Hall of Fame. Matt, you
Speaker 10: talk about an injustice. That's just an outrage that davidceptcy
Speaker 10: Ow is not in Cooperstown.
Speaker 4: A lot of people feel the same way, brother, I'm
Speaker 4: all over it.
Speaker 1: Listen, happy birthday tomorrow, wild Man, and again the gift
Speaker 1: card will be in the mail sometime within the next
Speaker 1: calendar year.
Speaker 10: I will lert my I will alert my mailman to
Speaker 10: keep an eye out for so don't get stolen when
Speaker 10: it's delivered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of that's happening.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: My wife and I some a friend and his wife
Speaker 1: sent us one hundred dollars at Montgomery Inn in an
Speaker 1: anniversary card back on May thirty first. We should have
Speaker 1: received it. We never received it, and I wonder who's
Speaker 1: eating my ribs.
Speaker 2: Oh no, well a good thing too.
Speaker 10: Before I let you go, Donald Trump is still my president,
Speaker 10: and the rest of you hate lives.
Speaker 4: Thank you, wild Man. It's a perfect place to end it.
Speaker 1: Wildman Walker on the verge of his seventy fifth birthday tomorrow.
Speaker 1: The celebration, of course, for wild Man goes all week,
Speaker 1: and if you're gonna come out to Silverton to see
Speaker 1: him on Friday night, make sure you bring a gift.
Speaker 4: He's a stickler for that. The night I cants in.
Speaker 1: Just a few moments with my buddy old radio Rick
Speaker 1: Washburn talking about the Great Radio Bonfire of nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 4: It's coming up in minutes.
Speaker 1: Walker, just as Shade passed eleven o'clock on a Monday
Speaker 1: evening talking to the old night Owl. Actually he usually
Speaker 1: isn't up at this point in the day or evening,
Speaker 1: but he is doing it for me because he's my friend.
Speaker 1: He's also heard regularly on Saturday mornings on my Saturday
Speaker 1: Morning Edition show around six fifteen, so he's early and late.
Speaker 1: No matter what I need, he is there for me
Speaker 1: with usually radio reception reports. We do some DX talk
Speaker 1: because this guy has made a life out of repairing
Speaker 1: beautiful antique radios. I call him Old Radio Rick. He
Speaker 1: calls himself that. And tonight we're gonna to be talking
Speaker 1: about some of these beautiful relics of the past that
Speaker 1: are no longer with us for one particular reason. And
Speaker 1: we're talking about radios that were manufactured in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of radios that were lost
Speaker 1: that weren't supposed to be destroyed in what is called
Speaker 1: the Great Radio Bonfire of nineteen twenty nine. You thought
Speaker 1: that only the depression was going on in nineteen twenty nine. Nay,
Speaker 1: I say nay. There was widespread destruction. Oh the humanity
Speaker 1: of destroyed radios and the like to talk about that
Speaker 1: and more. Rick Washburn joins us again tonight. How you doing, Ricky?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Hey, good evening, sir. And you know
Speaker 1: what a great lead in.
Speaker 11: And by the way, as you said, it's the great
Speaker 11: run Bond Black the Great Radio Bonfire of nineteen twenty
Speaker 11: nine weren't great? Is not always the best word to use, now,
Speaker 11: is it.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, the Big and Big Beautiful Bill may not have
Speaker 1: been more descriptive, more descriptive than the others, because it's
Speaker 1: it's a pretty large piece of legislation. But as far
Speaker 1: as the Great Radio Bonfire, I had no knowledge that
Speaker 1: this ever occurred, you know, I was a you know,
Speaker 1: a history buff as far as the book burnings of
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and Nazi Germany, and another fame the
Speaker 1: burning of Beatles records back in the nineteen sixties, oh
Speaker 1: which only which only served to double album sales of
Speaker 1: the Beatles. Really Paul, Paul and John today, Paul still
Speaker 1: thanking people that they burned those Beatles records because he was,
Speaker 1: you know, receiving royal ties for the copies the kids
Speaker 1: bought after their parents convinced them or chorus them to
Speaker 1: burn their Beatles records. But I had never heard about
Speaker 1: the Great Radio Bonfire until you broach the subject with me.
Speaker 1: What exactly was it and why did it happen?
Speaker 11: Well, so if I may take a step back into
Speaker 11: history a little bit, and I'll try to keep it brief,
Speaker 11: but heavens, if you've ever heard me, you know brief
Speaker 11: is not in my vocabulary. First of all, for background,
Speaker 11: there's basically four types of radios that existed.
Speaker 8: Then this is a very general overview.
Speaker 11: But number one, there were crystal sets and Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 11: you and I talked about these not that long ago.
Speaker 11: You've got the catch whisker where you've got this little
Speaker 11: rock that has some element in it with a little
Speaker 11: tiny wire that was a nightmare to get to work.
Speaker 11: And also germanium diode radios and one two radios, and
Speaker 11: these were all very very simple radios, typically used to
Speaker 11: train people or get people interested in radio. Very few parts,
Speaker 11: and yeah, they were affordable. The interesting thing about them
Speaker 11: is that even though all of them, with the exception
Speaker 11: of the tube model, required no batter your power source whatsoever,
Speaker 11: they actually had the very best audio quality of any radio.
Speaker 11: And they still do but it's a huge trade off
Speaker 11: for the fact that there's no selectivity, no sensitivity. If
Speaker 11: you're sitting near a radio station, that's all you're going
Speaker 11: to pick up, right And if you're sitting between two
Speaker 11: powerful radio stations, you're going to listen to both of
Speaker 11: them at the same time. So not ideal, but nonetheless
Speaker 11: it was. It was a great introduction. Number two, there
Speaker 11: was the tr effort or tuned radio frequency design, and
Speaker 11: there was a wide variety of these designs. Some were gorgeous,
Speaker 11: some were utilitarian in appearance, some were homemade, and they
Speaker 11: could actually be hilarious, depending upon your definition of how
Speaker 11: they looked. The design was very flexible in terms of
Speaker 11: the electronics. Most of two or three tuning amplification stages,
Speaker 11: but you could add as many stages as you wanted.
Speaker 11: For each stage, the signal was amplified to make the
Speaker 11: radio more sensitive, but each stage also reduced the audio quality.
Speaker 11: So if you're in the middle of nowhere and your
Speaker 11: intent is just picking up a little blip from some
Speaker 11: bazillion mile away radio station, if you added enough amplification stages,
Speaker 11: you could still pick it up. It may not sound great,
Speaker 11: but you'd probably be thrilled to hear it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 11: The complexity was greater, the cost was greater, but these
Speaker 11: radios could power speaker if you picked it up that way,
Speaker 11: and even pick up short wave if that's how you
Speaker 11: designed it. It was all about the configuration. You're right,
Speaker 11: number three, yeah, number three?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, number three. You're on a roll.
Speaker 11: Is the superhead dying? And I guess names such as
Speaker 11: Neutra Dyne and trudin I still love that one. We're
Speaker 11: just not complicated enough so or hard enough to spell,
Speaker 11: so they came up with super Heterodyne. These usually referred
Speaker 11: to as the super Heat, thankfully to be more private.
Speaker 11: It's actually the same design of basically every virtual virtually
Speaker 11: every AM and shortwave radio manufactured today. Yes, there's been
Speaker 11: a lot of modifications and so forth, but nonetheless, back
Speaker 11: in the late twenties orly thirties, most of these sets
Speaker 11: were gorgeous in some way, either a piece of furniture
Speaker 11: or a room accent, rather than something Mom wished she
Speaker 11: could throw away and relegate to the cellar. These sets
Speaker 11: were designed for great selectivity, with the options for great
Speaker 11: sensitivity as well. They were the easiest to use by
Speaker 11: the consumer, which is a good selling point, especially to
Speaker 11: the stereotypical housewife. But they were complex radio, so they
Speaker 11: were expensive, all right. So there's three down, one to go,
Speaker 11: and that brings us to our topic. We got to
Speaker 11: nineteen twenty nine and the fourth type of radio receiver
Speaker 11: available was known as the regenerative detector. This type of
Speaker 11: radio was way less complex than the superheterodyne, only slightly.
Speaker 8: More so than the TRF for tuned radio frequency.
Speaker 11: So basically, for less parts you would experience far better
Speaker 11: sensitivity and it was close to being the best of
Speaker 11: all worlds. Because it was sensitive, it was a little
Speaker 11: less complex, the cost was reasonable, it had comparable audio
Speaker 11: quality to set up an operation was a bit intimidating
Speaker 11: or even problematic, especially for anybody who didn't really dive
Speaker 11: into the inside baseball world of radio. Now, with apologies,
Speaker 11: i'll jump back to the superheterodyne for just a moment.
Speaker 11: One key feature of that type of radio it was
Speaker 11: not included in any crystal or TRF set, was the oscillator.
Speaker 11: And skipping over why it exists so forth. Hey, if
Speaker 11: you're nodding off, grab a cup of coffee.
Speaker 8: It'll be over soon. If you're playing at home.
Speaker 11: You can take two AM radios and put each each
Speaker 11: of them together within about a foot or two, and
Speaker 11: if you tune one to seven hundred WLW while you
Speaker 11: enjoy the show, you can tune the other one to
Speaker 11: seven hundred and start tuning the tuner up towards sixteen
Speaker 11: hundred at some point, typically around eleven fifty, but it
Speaker 11: varies depending upon the radios. You're gonna start hearing interference,
Speaker 11: and it may be a squeal, it may be a tone,
Speaker 11: what have you. But that is you picking up the
Speaker 11: transmission from the other radio, because that oscilator is actually
Speaker 11: a transmitter. Now, if you then take one of those
Speaker 11: radios and move it away from the other, you may
Speaker 11: get as far as twenty feet before you don't hear
Speaker 11: that interference anymore. So, yeah, it's basically a problem if
Speaker 11: you're in the same room in the same home. Okay,
Speaker 11: go ahead, Oh, I was gonna say so. In nineteen
Speaker 11: forty five, the US Navy commissioned radios that got to
Speaker 11: be known as morale boosters, and they were intended for
Speaker 11: sailors while not engaged by the way to be entertained.
Speaker 8: That's the morale boosting process.
Speaker 11: The Crosley version of this radio, known as the RIP,
Speaker 11: had a bright red warning label affixed to the front
Speaker 11: of the radio, declaring warning unsafe radiation levels. Do not
Speaker 11: use a board ship. And I've had more than one
Speaker 11: person asked me, are we getting radiated? Does this have
Speaker 11: a nuclear device in it? It's like, no, it's poor warning.
Speaker 11: The fact is that just like when you have the
Speaker 11: two radios together and one can interfere with the other,
Speaker 11: you're in During World War Two, the enemy, if you
Speaker 11: were using an AM radio, was an oscillator on board ship.
Speaker 11: They if they had the sensitive enough receiver, they could
Speaker 11: figure out where you were.
Speaker 4: You could give away your low.
Speaker 1: You could give away your location, and that was not
Speaker 1: a good thing if you're on a submarine and mode
Speaker 1: right exactly exactly so. I had a cat's whisker. I
Speaker 1: built one when I was a boy scout. I didn't
Speaker 1: build my first transmitter until I was in a special
Speaker 1: UH special class in summer school out of sixth grade,
Speaker 1: and I built my own little FM transmitter. But these
Speaker 1: regenerative radios with the oscillator could receive and then transmit
Speaker 1: radio signals at the same time. That's what you're getting
Speaker 1: at right, well, and see with the superheterodynes. But the
Speaker 1: point was, unfortunately that you you weren't actually talking on.
Speaker 2: The radio.
Speaker 11: Wasn't a train transmitter in the sense that you were
Speaker 11: intending to send a signal. Right, the radio was doing
Speaker 11: it for you, and not because you were sending intelligent
Speaker 11: information or music or anything else. It just happened to
Speaker 11: be sending a signal out because of its internal workings.
Speaker 1: Well, you're supposing that we're sending out intelligent information tonight,
Speaker 1: So tell me about the tell me about the great
Speaker 1: radio bonfire of nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 8: Okay, So.
Speaker 11: Here we are in nineteen twenty nine, and where ten
Speaker 11: years after Katie Ka went commercial radio was becoming less
Speaker 11: of an experimental, amateur richman's toy, and like you said,
Speaker 11: it's the Roaring twenties. It was more of a real
Speaker 11: source of news and entertainment and ignoring what was about
Speaker 11: to happen to the economy. Right at this moment, more
Speaker 11: and more radios were finding their way into homes, and
Speaker 11: that meant more of more radios overall, and more of
Speaker 11: these regenerative receivers. The problem with the regenerative detectors is
Speaker 11: that unlike that little twenty foot concept of the oscillator transmitting. Yeah,
Speaker 11: these things could go a thousand feet or more. Sometimes
Speaker 11: if the radio wasn't tuned properly, you're not being used properly,
Speaker 11: it could interfere with radios up to a half mile away.
Speaker 11: So the powers that be decided that it was time
Speaker 11: to put an end to the problem of the fact
Speaker 11: that you know, if you're at a farm, rural area,
Speaker 11: or you're somewhere where nobody anywhere near you another radio,
Speaker 11: it's not a problem. Yeah, But if you if you're
Speaker 11: in town and now here you are in the south Kate, Kentucky,
Speaker 11: and your two of your neighbors happened to also have
Speaker 11: radios at the same time that your firing up your
Speaker 11: regenerative detector, they may not be able to hear their
Speaker 11: show or their station because they're just picking up this
Speaker 11: squeal that's coming from your radio. Hey thanks alone, right, Yeah,
Speaker 11: So they decided to put an end of the problem.
Speaker 11: The solution was the Great Radio Bonfire of nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 11: And the plane, of course, was just to grab up
Speaker 11: all the violating sets and destroy them. But there is
Speaker 11: and like you said, you hadn't heard of this before.
Speaker 11: It was a real dig to try to find any
Speaker 11: information on this, and it's still limited. But I've had
Speaker 11: a few things, and I thought one of them was
Speaker 11: a particularly interesting which was a postcard that apparently also
Speaker 11: was included in various magazines in nineteen twenty nine, where
Speaker 11: it's a little card at the top. I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 6: Fire fire, fire, okay, okay.
Speaker 11: An unusual offer to all radio owners of old battery
Speaker 11: type radio sets. Here is our offer. Battery sets are
Speaker 11: now obsolete. They have no resale value whatsoever. Their worth
Speaker 11: is only as much tinder for a bonfire, and that
Speaker 11: is what we're going to do with them.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of problems with what was just said.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, one very specific at all.
Speaker 11: Number one, no, yeah, exactly, and every rate. Of course,
Speaker 11: some crystal sets like the Cat's Whisker doesn't need any
Speaker 11: power source, but every other type of radio could run
Speaker 11: on batteries. The battery wasn't the problem for heaven's sake.
Speaker 11: And number two a completely worthless. Wow, that's a stretch. Again,
Speaker 11: this is nineteen twenty nine, folks. If they bought a
Speaker 11: radio that's probably not even five years old yet, and
Speaker 11: you're being told, oh, that's a big pilot. Pooh, it's useless.
Speaker 11: Let let me just take that from you. Oh but
Speaker 11: here's a coupon for ten dollars off a brand new rue.
Speaker 11: I'm not sure that's a great selling tactic because oh, yeah,
Speaker 11: we screwed you last time.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 8: Now this time it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: So a lot of I guess the point of this
Speaker 1: is that there were a lot of beautiful radios that
Speaker 1: did not need to be destroyed, that were as a
Speaker 1: as a result of this advertising campaign to get rid
Speaker 1: of the oscillator based radios, right.
Speaker 11: And that is why collectors like myself who there's a
Speaker 11: couple of videos out there that are they're hard to find,
Speaker 11: but I did actually capture a copy of one between
Speaker 11: the fact that there's a you know, like a late
Speaker 11: twenties truck that they're loading all these radios into and
Speaker 11: they're just throwing them up into the truck willy nilly,
Speaker 11: and half of them were falling back out again.
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 11: There were some beauties, like some early at Water Kent
Speaker 11: TRF sets that were called breadboards and all the tubes
Speaker 11: still in them that the tubes could still be used
Speaker 11: in the superheterodyne sets. That the tubes weren't causing the problem,
Speaker 11: it was the circuit. Yeah, and I suppose that means
Speaker 11: that a lot of people traded in and bought new
Speaker 11: and that was ultimately good for the economy.
Speaker 8: I'm sure.
Speaker 11: But yeah, he gadds, it's heartbreaking to see some of
Speaker 11: the stuff of like I wished I had one of those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now we're pretty much running out of time here, Rick.
Speaker 8: No worry.
Speaker 11: I found three snippets from a newspaper, but I'll just
Speaker 11: read a couple. One is from Saint Louis, where it
Speaker 11: says the old Blooper sets to burn in bonfire affair
Speaker 11: at Saint Louis. Thousands of old bloopers are to perish
Speaker 11: in a giant bonfire to rid Saint Louis of interference
Speaker 11: caused by regenitive radio receivers. And then the other was
Speaker 11: from Long Island, where Long Island radio dealers have accumulated
Speaker 11: twenty five thousand worn out and dilapidated radio sets form
Speaker 11: which will be burned in a large bonfire on election night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, just so heartbreaking for somebody like you
Speaker 1: who collects and repairs, these great, great pieces of American history,
Speaker 1: and people who just love radio like I do. I
Speaker 1: mean today you don't have to worry about a regenitor
Speaker 1: of radio. Most people just pull out their phone. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna listen to the radio.
Speaker 2: What do it mean?
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? All right, listen.
Speaker 1: I will speak to you on Saturday morning, bright and early,
Speaker 1: about six fifteen like usual, And thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time tonight. The great radio Bonfire of nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Oh the humanity.
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Speaker 12: There's thankfully we now have leadership in Washington, d C.
Speaker 12: That's speaking truth about the climate change agenda in this
Speaker 12: fake climate crisis and embracing some realistic energy expectations. That
Speaker 12: is that our energy here in the United States. Donald Trump,
Speaker 12: President g Prime Minister Modive of India, the three of
Speaker 12: them all understand if you want a strong, vibrant, growing economy,
Speaker 12: you need energy in particularly electricity that's reliable, abundant and affordable,
Speaker 12: and that ain't renewables. It's not solar, and it's not wind.
Speaker 12: It's nuclear, natural gas, oil and coal.
Speaker 1: I did see something that kind of disturbed me last week.
Speaker 1: President Trump apparently did give the ok for some wind
Speaker 1: farms I guess on the East coast, well limiting that
Speaker 1: but saying okay, we can, we can, you can build those,
Speaker 1: you can go ahead.
Speaker 4: Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I'm spinning from Virginia right now. The dominion product very disappointing,
Speaker 12: very disappointing. Chris Wright, the Farm of Energy Secretary, he
Speaker 12: looked like he was biting on a lemon when he
Speaker 12: was talking about it, because I could tell he didn't
Speaker 12: want to say the words. But he acknowledged that this
Speaker 12: Dominion Energy project is He said it was too far
Speaker 12: along to be canceled.
Speaker 2: But that's it's just not true.
Speaker 12: And in fact, we thought there's another win project off
Speaker 12: of Long Island. We thought he had an agreement with
Speaker 12: Kathy Hoakle, the governor of New York, to allow pipeline.
Speaker 12: We built her pipelines to be built through New York
Speaker 12: if he allowed that to go to the offshore program
Speaker 12: to go through. And she's not about to do any
Speaker 12: pipelining because as you know, we've talked many times about
Speaker 12: this vast quantity of natural gas in Pennsylvania and West
Speaker 12: Virginia and eastern Ohio that just it's sitting there waiting
Speaker 12: for New England to come get it. But there's no
Speaker 12: way to get it there. But that deal apparently was
Speaker 12: never reached her or Kathy hoak renigged on it because
Speaker 12: she said absolute, absolutely no to new pipelines. And just
Speaker 12: bear in mind to New England's paying four to five
Speaker 12: times too higher natural gas prices than what they could
Speaker 12: if they could buy it from Texas and Louisiana.
Speaker 2: So these these.
Speaker 12: Countries, China and Endi are both mining more coal, building
Speaker 12: more coal fired electricity, emitting more of my miracle molecule,
Speaker 12: the beneficial molecule, carbon dioxide, and Trump's embraced carbon coal
Speaker 12: as well. We can, we can, We can use coal
Speaker 12: using super critical techniques the colt the China is using
Speaker 12: to produce uh electricity without harmful pollutants coming out. And
Speaker 12: the only thing to come out of that smokestack with
Speaker 12: the right technology is water vapor and carbon dioxide.
Speaker 1: Which water vapor makes up a majority of our atmosphere anyway, correct, naturally,
Speaker 1: is that right.
Speaker 12: Of all the greenhouse it's not, well, technically no, because
Speaker 12: a lot of it's are gone and nitrogen and there's
Speaker 12: just a lot of other things. But of all the
Speaker 12: greenhouse gases, it's thought that the water vapor comprises oh,
Speaker 12: probably seventy five or eighty percent of the greenhouse warming
Speaker 12: effect can be attributed to water vapor and clouds, and
Speaker 12: the rest maybe twenty percent to carbon dioxide and just
Speaker 12: tiny amounts to the others, but they particularly methane is
Speaker 12: so small.
Speaker 2: But yet they're.
Speaker 12: Continuing to demonize animal husbandry and farming and cattle ranching
Speaker 12: because of the supposed methane that's coming out. And I
Speaker 12: just think about that they're complaining about methane from cattle.
Speaker 12: There were some twenty times as many buffalo and buffalo's
Speaker 12: are rum and it's just like cattle that also and
Speaker 12: they're not farting methane, they're burping it the rest of
Speaker 12: the process of digesting the grass as the cellular material,
Speaker 12: they're actually belching out methane gases. And so there were
Speaker 12: twenty times as many buffalo than there are cattle in
Speaker 12: the continental of the United States, so there would have
Speaker 12: been twenty times as much methane being belched, you know,
Speaker 12: back in the eighteen hundreds when they were vast and
Speaker 12: seventeen hundreds when they're vast herds of buffalo roaming the
Speaker 12: Midwest and the American West.
Speaker 1: The G seven seven is going on in Canada right now,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned President Trump and g and Modi of
Speaker 1: India all being on board with what needs to happen
Speaker 1: energy wise for their countries and the world but.
Speaker 4: The rest of the G seven aren't. You're not getting
Speaker 4: the message yet, are.
Speaker 12: They No, And their economies are showing it. Look at
Speaker 12: particularly Germany in particular, they've really really doubled and tripled
Speaker 12: down on their energy policies because they believe, apparently there's
Speaker 12: a climate crisis and they can solve it by not
Speaker 12: burning coal, not burning oil and gas, but rather going
Speaker 12: entirely with renewables. And they don't want to do any
Speaker 12: nuclear just their neighbors. In France, seventy five percent of
Speaker 12: their electricity is provided by nuclear. They've embraced it some
Speaker 12: forty to fifty years ago. They embraced the nuclears being
Speaker 12: the backbone of their electricity, and so their prices electricity
Speaker 12: in France is a significant discount to that in Germany.
Speaker 12: And we can see it with the industrial sector, the
Speaker 12: auto sector fleeing Germany, and a lot of these countries
Speaker 12: are coming to the United States because of our relatively
Speaker 12: low energy prices. So if you've got a gidget factory
Speaker 12: and you're located in Bond, Germany or someplace in Germany,
Speaker 12: even France, for the high electricity prices, you can move
Speaker 12: that gidget factory to wherever the low energy costs are,
Speaker 12: and that would be here in the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, the last time I manufactured gidgets, I was looking
Speaker 1: for the best price for my power too.
Speaker 2: You mentioned absolutely.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to let's get back to the liquid
Speaker 1: natural gas subject. It is one of the cleanest sources
Speaker 1: of energy on the planet, is it not, And why
Speaker 1: is it being vilified if so?
Speaker 12: Well, because they continue to demonize carbon dioxide. Just to
Speaker 12: make it simple, So, methane is the simplest of the
Speaker 12: hydrocarbon molecules. It's the formula is c H four. That's
Speaker 12: pure methane one carbon four hydrogens and when you burn it,
Speaker 12: it combines with two oxygen models molecules of BO two
Speaker 12: and so what it produces it it produces heat, two
Speaker 12: water volume water molecules, and one molecule of carbon dioxide
Speaker 12: and that's all that's produced. And so it's very clean burning.
Speaker 12: And the added benefit is that by using it, we're
Speaker 12: increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide that benefits of vegetation, that benefits
Speaker 12: crop growth. We're seeing it really really exploded crop growth
Speaker 12: over the last fifty years, and it continues every year
Speaker 12: to expand there are more increase in crop production is
Speaker 12: outpacing population growth. We should celebrate that, but instead we're
Speaker 12: being told lies from government officials. Now hopefully it's stopped.
Speaker 12: Under President Trump, the has fired a.
Speaker 2: Lot of these.
Speaker 12: Scientists that have been public peddling basically disinformation, climate misinformation
Speaker 12: and lying about what your listeners are being lied to
Speaker 12: on a daily basis about climate change that you never
Speaker 12: hear of the benefits of what's happening in the combination
Speaker 12: of warming and more co two related to huge benefits.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of speaking of polar.
Speaker 1: Speaking of of farm related energy news, are they still
Speaker 1: waging war against these fertilizers that are absolutely essential to
Speaker 1: UH to produce a kind of production that the world
Speaker 1: and these farmers need. Why are they doing that?
Speaker 12: Yeah, they are, And it's it's really it's a one
Speaker 12: to two punch in the agriculture and it's a punch
Speaker 12: to the gut because most of the increases we've seen
Speaker 12: a crop productivity that come from the combination well really
Speaker 12: three things. Warming means more longer growing, suss sure carbon
Speaker 12: dioxide is fueling carbon dioxide fertilization effect.
Speaker 2: And then we've got this use of.
Speaker 12: Fertilizer which really began in the in the mid fifties
Speaker 12: and wise use of fertilizers. Just I've got some great
Speaker 12: images of wheed that was grown one field on one side,
Speaker 12: had no fertilizer, nitrogen fertilizer that when used adequate amounts,
Speaker 12: and it's just just amazing what that nitrogen fertilizer. We
Speaker 12: saw in Sri Lanka off the coast of India here
Speaker 12: this has now been three years ago, I believe four
Speaker 12: years ago, where President Roger Posey there insisted that he
Speaker 12: banned fertilizer use it. It's an overwhelmingly agricultural nation, depends
Speaker 12: on agriculture, and it's their entire economy collapsed. He was
Speaker 12: he barely escaped with his life because of his ban
Speaker 12: on nitrogen fertilizer, and they're back using nitrogen fertilizer again.
Speaker 12: Now we have to do it with You don't want
Speaker 12: to over do your nitrogen fertilizer because you can't have
Speaker 12: runoff effects. And we see it here where I'm calling
Speaker 12: you from Florida. We see where the some of the
Speaker 12: nitrogen can run off of fields and calls the algal blooms.
Speaker 12: So you have to make sure you work with your
Speaker 12: county agricultural agent to make sure you're using the right
Speaker 12: quantity of the fertilizer for those farmers listening in, but
Speaker 12: they already know that because of course they don't want
Speaker 12: to spend more money than they have to on fertilizer.
Speaker 1: No, and too much of anything could be bad for
Speaker 1: your crops. I mean, just put it in suscinct terms.
Speaker 4: And the planet. But with the runoff you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Saw something somebody pointed out an article that your organization,
Speaker 1: the CO two Coalition, put out about we're actually showing
Speaker 1: signs of gaining Arctic ice.
Speaker 12: Yes, and since Arctic really since twenty twelve. Twenty twelve
Speaker 12: was the minimum extent measured by satellites and since twenty twelve,
Speaker 12: that's thirteen years now, there's been some growth. It's stopped
Speaker 12: retreating and some growth the Arctic ice. And we know
Speaker 12: the Antarctic ice is also not recreating. There's one area
Speaker 12: of Antarctica work where there is some melting going on,
Speaker 12: but that's the West Antarctica. It's right above what's called
Speaker 12: the West Antarctic rift zone. It's an active zone. It's
Speaker 12: one of the hottest areas for volcanic activity. So the
Speaker 12: ice there's melting from underneath rather than above. So if
Speaker 12: it's climate change, we're melting for the top down. Here,
Speaker 12: it's melting for the bottom up because of this the
Speaker 12: high flow coming out of this rift zone beneath the ice.
Speaker 2: And so you're not.
Speaker 12: Getting the whole story. And I'm just on a call
Speaker 12: too with doctor Peter rid of Australia talking about the
Speaker 12: Great Barrier Reef and it's really fascinating. The stories they
Speaker 12: tell and the lies they tell of the Great Barrier
Speaker 12: Reef are incredible. And there's we've seen in twenty twenty
Speaker 12: four we had the largest amount.
Speaker 2: Of coral covered the Great Barrier.
Speaker 12: Reef since they began doing these aerial surveys, uh some
Speaker 12: thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: Well, Greg, I thought I thought the Great Barrier Reef
Speaker 1: was dying because of man made pollution.
Speaker 2: Not not so.
Speaker 12: So they call these bleaching events. They're called bleaching events.
Speaker 12: And they go through these bleaching events. A lot of
Speaker 12: things caused them, Uh, environmental thing changes, the coral polyps
Speaker 12: spit out, the coloring agents, the zoom intel that are
Speaker 12: in that are lived with the in symbiosis with the coral. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and when they lose that they be they turn white.
Speaker 12: There have been I believe six major bleaching events over
Speaker 12: the last decade and a half. We talked about that
Speaker 12: last night with Peter riv But even so, these things
Speaker 12: come right back there. They're aggressive, strong coral growth, and
Speaker 12: we see the corals. Actually, he provided a chart to
Speaker 12: me showing so almost a linear trend of increased coral
Speaker 12: growth from the coldest areas in the southern part of
Speaker 12: the Great Barrier Reef up to the north where it
Speaker 12: is warmer, and the warmer it is, the faster the
Speaker 12: corals grow, completely contrary to what you've heard, so corals
Speaker 12: like it hot and hotter the better.
Speaker 1: It was very revealing and humorous to find out that
Speaker 1: Greta Tunberg doesn't really care about the climate crisis anymore.
Speaker 1: Apparently the existential threat to the planet has disappeared for
Speaker 1: a chance to get a selfie on a relief ship
Speaker 1: to Gaza and see and a bunch of other very
Speaker 1: very attention seeking people were interdicted by the IDF on
Speaker 1: their way for a relief mission. I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what they were bringing to Gaza besides their cameras and
Speaker 1: their attention seeking selves, but you know, I thought her
Speaker 1: cause to celeb was, you know, the planet and man
Speaker 1: made climate change, and apparently that that's gone by the wayside,
Speaker 1: because I guess she's not getting as much traction that
Speaker 1: way anymore.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that anything?
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think she's twenty two an now,
Speaker 12: So she's not a child. We used to say, he
Speaker 12: can't beat her up, she's a child. Well, I'm not
Speaker 12: going to beat her up anyhow, but we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 12: we can take her to task for what she says
Speaker 12: and the insane thing she's done. So, yes, we haven't
Speaker 12: heard anything coming out of her about climate change. She's
Speaker 12: adopted this anti Israel campaign, embracing in the Palestinians and
Speaker 12: the Hamas and the rest. And this boat you talked about.
Speaker 12: They arrived and they actually had virtually nothing that.
Speaker 2: They was supposed to be on a releaf boat. Yes,
Speaker 2: they actually had to feed the people.
Speaker 3: On the boat because they had run about run out
Speaker 3: of food.
Speaker 12: And then they forced her to get on. They put
Speaker 12: her on an airplane. She swore six or seven years
Speaker 12: ago she would never ever fly in an airplane, and
Speaker 12: so she wasn't really happy be about that. So we've
Speaker 12: got a great picture of her sitting sitting in the
Speaker 12: airplane where she swore she never do it.
Speaker 2: Amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about the CO two
Speaker 1: Coalition and the fine work they do providing facts not lies,
Speaker 1: where would people go, Greg?
Speaker 4: I know it's very simple, but you tell.
Speaker 12: Them yeah, Co two Coalition dot org. Or if you've
Speaker 12: got children or grands children that are being homeschooled, we
Speaker 12: have a wonderful learning website. It's called CO two Learningcenter
Speaker 12: dot com. Co two Learning Center dot com. We have
Speaker 12: lesson plans that are prepared by our senior education advisor,
Speaker 12: doctor Sharon Camp. So it's your place to go to
Speaker 12: get homeschooling materials. If you've got a charter school, we
Speaker 12: try to provide all of this at no charge to
Speaker 12: educate your educators and parents and grandparents.
Speaker 4: Greg Rystone, thank you so much for the time tonight.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thank you you bet We will close
Speaker 4: out this night cap next our height Harder