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This episode of True Murder is brought to 29 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:55.640 you by Audible, the world's leading name in digital audiobooks. 30 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:02.760 Descended from a notorious Carneifan family, Grady Styles Junior traded 31 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.599 on the deformity that gave his hands and feet the 32 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:09.960 look of lobster clause to achieve fame as the Lobster Boy. 33 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.919 In November nineteen ninety two, neighbor Christopher Wyant, in a 34 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.319 conspiracy with Style's wife and stepson, shot Styles in the head, 35 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.759 leading to one of the most bizarre trials in criminal history. 36 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.120 The book that we're featuring this evening is Lobster Boy, 37 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.840 The bizarre life and brutal death of Grady Styles Junior, 38 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.439 with my special guest, investigative journalist and author Fred Rosen. 39 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:36.840 Welcome back to the program, and thank you very much 40 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.280 for agreeing to this interview Fred Rosen. 41 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.120 Always pleasure to be with you. Hi, Dan, how are 42 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:47.360 you great? 43 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:48.280 How are you doing? Fred? 44 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:52.680 Well, it's it's always a pleasure to be with Danan. 45 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.680 Well, thank you very much. It's always a pleasure to 46 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:02.759 interview Fred Rosen. Always busy and always with a great 47 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.840 story and a great book. And we're going to go 48 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.199 backwards in time a little bit later on, we're going 49 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.439 to talk about the latest developments in the Kendrick Johnson case. 50 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:14.039 For those people that are dedicated fans of the show, 51 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.879 they'll know what we're talking about. There has been some 52 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:22.039 really interesting and very well, it's beyond interesting, cutting edge 53 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:27.800 programs about current injustice in America, and so with Fred 54 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.680 rose and spearheading the investigation. So but first, let's go 55 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.039 back in time to Lobster Boy. And before we get 56 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:41.840 into this incredible story that not everyone knows, when did 57 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:43.800 you write this? When was this book published? And when 58 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.000 did you write this book? Fred Lobster Boy? 59 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.159 Well, Dan, Dan, I'll tell you what happened. What happened was, 60 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.199 as you pointed out, the murder occurage of nineteen ninety 61 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:58.240 two and oh much an about a year later, I 62 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.560 was in Florida with the person would eventually become my 63 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.599 ex wife, thank god. And uh, I was going to 64 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.000 I was going to Disney World, and I picked up 65 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.879 the local newspaper, you know, in in in Orlando, and 66 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.040 I found out about this trial that was taking place 67 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.680 down in Tampa in Hillsborough County. Uh and and this 68 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.839 the the person on trial was a woman named married 69 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:28.519 Teresa Stiles, who had allegedly arranged for the murder of 70 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.240 her husband, Gray Styles Junior also know this lobster Boy. 71 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.319 And I got on the phone with my with my 72 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.680 editor at that time at the publishing house I was 73 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.360 working for, and I said, you're not going to believe this. 74 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.040 And I said, uh, there's this woman and she supposedly 75 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.839 killed her husband and he was lobster boy. I said, 76 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:49.839 isn't that a joke? And he said to me, that's 77 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.959 your next book. I said, you're kidding. He said, no, 78 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.680 that's your next book. And that's how I found out 79 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.959 about it, and and that's how I got the assignment 80 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:06.199 to write the book, and and and and so what 81 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.879 happened was I got the contract. It was unusual, especially 82 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.480 compared to today, where I got the contract pretty quickly 83 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.920 and the next thing, you know, you know, within a 84 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:21.480 couple of months. It was Halloween night of ninety three. 85 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.560 I was on a I went down to Florida to 86 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:31.120 start investigating Wow, and I landed again on Halloween night. 87 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:33.839 And I and I'll never forget this. It's not in 88 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:35.839 the book. I should have put it in there, Dan, Uh. 89 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.000 And I'm I'm driving out of the airport in Tampa 90 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.800 and I, you know, I'm at a light and I 91 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:47.399 look over and the next car I see Dracula. I 92 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.279 said to some dude who was dressed as Dracula, and 93 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.720 I went, Oh my god, what's going on? And then 94 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.319 because I realized it was Halloween, but that was sort 95 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.199 of like the harbinger of things to come, you know. 96 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.000 And that's how I working on it. 97 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.600 Now, that's a good segue because Halloween is appropriate because 98 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.920 you're going to a place that's what they call Carnival Heaven. 99 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:17.160 You describe, uh, this Gibson Town, Gibson, Gibsonton, Yeah, Gibsonton, Yes, 100 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:19.639 So tell us a little bit about tell us about 101 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.079 this little Gibsonton little town. 102 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:28.000 Well, I'll tell you, Dan, it's probably the most unique 103 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.240 town in in certainly in the United States. Uh, you know, 104 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.519 I don't know if you have anything that you know, 105 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.560 comparable in Canada, but it's not in in the US. 106 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.439 It's weird. You go down, you know, the main you 107 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.879 go down the this main highway and you go over bridge. 108 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.199 Next thing, you know, you come to big sign It 109 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:54.439 says the Giants Camp. I swear it says the Giants camp. 110 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.680 And what the heck is this about? Well, it turns 111 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.800 out this was a camp where the Giant camped. What 112 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.800 it was was that in the nineteen forties, people who 113 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:10.120 were in the Carny gravitated south during the winter. They 114 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.800 settled in Gibsons in south of Tampa because of the weather, 115 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:17.160 the Bomby weather in the summer. And the Giant was 116 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.199 a giant. The guy who was about I don't know, 117 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.319 seven eight feet fall something like that. You know, I 118 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.000 made Shaquilonia looked short. And he married the world's only 119 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.879 within half girl. Her name was Jennie Tilmany. And I, 120 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.000 you know, I'm going, what the heck is this about? 121 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.160 You know, I'm there to investigate a murder case. And 122 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.000 it got weird. Dan, it got weirder. You'd be riding 123 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:46.759 around this town and you'd see things like wirewalkers, three 124 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:52.199 legged you know, goats, you know, all kinds of animal oddities. 125 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:57.279 You'd see little people in those days they would call midgets. 126 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:03.040 You'd see all kinds of carnie freaks. It was the 127 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.519 weirdest thing. And when you went to the post office, 128 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:11.680 the counter that they had you had two counters. One 129 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.000 was for normal sized people and one was for little people. 130 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.160 It was the weirdest thing. And then you'd see all 131 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.839 of the carney trucks and things like that in the backyards. 132 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.319 And eventually I wound up going from I had lunch 133 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.159 at the Giants camp. I met Jeanie Tomini, the world's 134 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.120 only living half girls. She was born with missing the 135 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.679 lower half of her body. She married the Giant, they 136 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:44.960 had kids, wonderful human being, wonderful person. And then eventually 137 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:49.799 I found my way to to the trailer where Lobster 138 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:54.679 Boy had lived with his wife. Married Teresa Stiles, who 139 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.799 in the carnival was known as the Electrified Girl because 140 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.279 it was an illusion that was perpe that they did 141 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.600 where she would seem to be she would sit in 142 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.360 a chair like an electric chair, and you know, lightning 143 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.559 bolts would come out of her fingers, that sort of thing. 144 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.000 And at that point she was in jail because she 145 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.960 had already been charged with killing Grady, her husband. And 146 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:21.279 I met Grady Styles the third aka Little Grady. I 147 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:26.720 met his sister, Kathy Styles, who also had ecodactyle, which 148 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.960 is the genetic condition that causes diffusing the hands and fingers. 149 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.600 Kathy would later go on to be on the TV 150 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:38.200 series Carnival as a lobster girl. And I met Mary's 151 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.360 third husband, Midgetman. Hectter have a nice guy named Harry 152 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.879 Glenn Newman. And when she married Harry Glenn Newman midget Man, 153 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.360 they had a son, Harry Glenn Newman Jr. And he 154 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.440 became the human blockhead. You can't make this stuff up, 155 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.879 which is a person who talents things up his nose, 156 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.480 h to you know, only in the United States. Canada's 157 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:08.720 to civilized for this stuff. But anyway, that's that's what happened. 158 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.320 And I met these people and I and I and 159 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.000 I basically interviewed them and I got their confidence. 160 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.759 Now, how did you pronounce the the disorder itself? 161 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:22.919 Again? Sorry, It's called ectodactyle, and what it is is 162 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:27.919 a disorder. It's a genetic disorder that that goes from 163 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:32.759 generation to generation where it causes the fusing of the 164 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:37.960 fingers uh and the stunting of growth of the feet, 165 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.360 and it comes out slightly differently in every generation. And 166 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:45.320 what makes this interesting is that in order to stop it, 167 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:51.080 you'd have to adopt. Yet the Style family decided not 168 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:55.879 to do that, and so they had this this genetic 169 00:10:55.960 --> 00:11:01.039 condition prevailed in the Style family from one President Polk 170 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.480 we're going back to the eighteen forties, was president up 171 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.720 until the present, and so they continued to procreate for 172 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.120 whatever reason. I never got into it with the family, 173 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.159 but they decided to procreate, and the odds were in 174 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.279 favor of the condition coming out in whatever child was 175 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:25.279 born from this family. Except there was one child in 176 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:29.759 the Styles family, Donna, who did not have that condition, 177 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.639 and that created other problems later on down the line. 178 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.080 Yeah, let's not jump ahead there. 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He terms and conditions eighteen plus. 204 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.080 The Lobster boy didn't really have legs, so maybe you 205 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:53.840 can describe that. 206 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:56.200 Well. 207 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.120 He just pretty muchset it in terms of the what 208 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.679 happens is the condition comes up differently in every generation. 209 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:08.960 So in Grady's case, Grady styles junior, he had regular 210 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:14.720 arms that ended with the best way of describing it 211 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:18.320 would be if you think of mister Spock had, you know, 212 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:24.120 putting the vulcan symbol up, which actually is is based 213 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.919 on actually that's actually based on on on a Jewish 214 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:31.559 symbol that Leonard Meimoy brought to the table. But if 215 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.879 you think about the you know, the the the four fingers, 216 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.879 you know, separating I'm doing it right now, that's pretty 217 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.559 much the way that the clause looked. And in terms 218 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.080 of in in in Grady's case and in most instances, 219 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:51.000 the condition in terms of the legs would come out 220 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:56.399 where right below the knee, there's nothing else. You just 221 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:01.039 have again a fusion of the bonees and and and 222 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.559 the flesh, et cetera, et cetera. And so as a result, 223 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:10.399 people who suffer from this condition wind up living rather yes, 224 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:16.720 living with with the wheelchairs so to get them around. However, 225 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:22.120 and this is very important. However, because of the fact 226 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.960 they have this condition, they are they become so powerful 227 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:33.080 in their upper body that they can they can uh. 228 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.720 I was gonna say locomotes, but there's no such word. 229 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.399 They could move around just on the basis walking around, 230 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.879 you know, like like like a chimpanzee does, on their hands, 231 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.240 and they become extremely powerful in their upper body, extremely powerful, 232 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.080 and they are capable of doing every single thing that 233 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:57.879 all of us can do, including shooting a gun, which 234 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:59.399 of course will become relevant later on. 235 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:06.879 Now this guy knows the carnival life, and he to 236 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.480 to explain that he grew up in this as well, 237 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:16.000 and then he had Grady Styles, or he had a 238 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.399 son named Grady as well, and he had a son. 239 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.519 So name the siblings there or the family that he 240 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:27.279 has that is afflicted with this disorder, and then tell 241 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.399 us what their life was like in terms of we 242 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.720 already said that there are carnival people. But did Grady 243 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.279 Styles grow up in this as well and then figured 244 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.360 this was the thing to continue with his family? 245 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:45.000 Yes, yes he did. What happened was his father, who 246 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:49.519 was known as the lobster Man, same condition, same situation. 247 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:53.279 When Brady was born in Pittsburgh. By the age of 248 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.360 six or seven, he was put on the carny stage 249 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.919 by his dad, and he grew up in the car 250 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.679 and he figured, hey, man, I got to go through it. 251 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:05.960 My kids have got to go through it. So when 252 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.240 he married Mary Teresa Stiles, he had he had a 253 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:15.000 couple of kids. Uh, he had Donna. Donna was normal, 254 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.559 I had no you know, she doesn't have the genetic conditions. 255 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:25.159 Then came Kathy, who has the same condition. He put 256 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.720 Kathy on the stage with him at a very early age. 257 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:33.840 And then after Kathy, what occurred was that he divorced 258 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.759 to Mary Teresa Styles and he married a woman named Barbara, 259 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:43.159 and he had another child with her who became who 260 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.120 was known as Little Grady, though he would be called 261 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.480 his former name is Grady Styles the Third. He had 262 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.120 the condition, and so eventually you had at one point 263 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:57.080 you had three three members of the Lobster family, Grady 264 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.960 Stiles Junior, Grady Styles the Third, and Kathy on on 265 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.720 the platform or stage at the same time. But the 266 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.519 kids didn't take to it the way that their dad did. 267 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.039 But he nevertheless, he felt that that was the way 268 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:13.720 to go and this was how he made his living 269 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.680 and he did quite well with it for many, many, 270 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:18.039 many many years. 271 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:24.480 Now, what was it like growing up for Grady Styles Junior? 272 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.359 What was it like growing up for him? Like you 273 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.240 talk about that you know there was certain there was fame, 274 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.559 and he made this adjustment, and his father had made 275 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.359 the adjustment. It was a family tradition and it came 276 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:40.240 with certain perks. But really describe what that life was 277 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:44.119 really like being this freak and as a result, what 278 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.640 was his character soon developing in say his teen years, 279 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.319 what was his character really like? 280 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:57.119 His character is I like to say, was the op 281 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:01.440 was the flip side of the La Man. Where the 282 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.799 elephant Man in real life and in the film that 283 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:10.720 mel Brooks produced was an individual who had this freakish appearance, 284 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:17.920 but inside was this incredibly sensitive, wonderful human being. Gravy 285 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:22.880 Styles was the direct opposite. He was as freakish on 286 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:27.000 the outside in his behavior in many ways as he 287 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.720 was in the inside. So he was put on the 288 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:33.279 platform by his dad when he was seven. He wound 289 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.720 up growing up with people gawking at him throughout the 290 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.640 nineteen thirties, forties and into the early fifties, and he 291 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:44.680 got very smart about using what we would now turn 292 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.319 a disability to his advantage. And so he would appear 293 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.240 in the carny and whenever he was off stage, however, 294 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.160 he would try to make sure that he wore gloves 295 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.079 because he didn't give it away for nothing, and he 296 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:02.920 wound up growing up incredibly bitter about his condition. Yet 297 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.440 he made a lot of money at it, and he 298 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:10.599 also became a life mostly for most of his life, 299 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.960 a lifelong alcoholic, and whenever he drank, he was an 300 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:20.640 incredibly brutal human being to those around him. However, when 301 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:26.279 he didn't drink, he was extremely charming. He was extremely likable. 302 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.039 And there is still people as we speak, some of 303 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:32.640 whom may be listening in Gibsonton, Florida, really liked Grady 304 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.599 a heck of a lot except but to his family, 305 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.440 this guy was he was a piece of crap, and 306 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:46.599 he was abusive physically and emotionally to his wife. He 307 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:51.559 was abusive emotionally to his children. But as far as 308 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.039 I know, and the evidence that I was able to 309 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.960 come up with, he wasn't physically abusive to them, but 310 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.920 he was extremely abusive in all ways to his life. 311 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.279 Now, they were married for quite a few years and then, 312 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:10.160 as as her will, she left him and divorced him. 313 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.079 And this will be important later when we talk about 314 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.400 this as well. So she had enough and she left 315 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.400 him was and so then he remarried. Tell Us about 316 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:23.400 this interim period where she leaves, Teresa leaves and then 317 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.279 Barbara comes into the picture. Tell Us he must have 318 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.279 had the charm on the fair amount in that period 319 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:30.920 of time, didn't he? 320 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:38.880 Yes. What occurs is that is that he abused it. 321 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:44.160 He already has. He's living in Pittsburgh and eventually they 322 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:48.359 moved to They were still watering Gibsonson, but for the 323 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.000 most part they're living in Pittsburgh. And what occurs is 324 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:58.759 that his his daughter Donna, uh, because it gets to 325 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:02.920 be sixteen years old. Kathy is younger. He's still living 326 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:10.839 with with with Mary Teresa styles his first wife. But 327 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.880 Donna can't stand what's going on, and she's the normal one. 328 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:18.960 She wants to get out, so she winds up getting 329 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.559 engaged with a young man. And Grady takes exception to this. 330 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:28.880 He feels like she's going to be deserting him. And 331 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:36.599 what happens is on her it's really very tragic. On 332 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:43.799 her wedding night or wedding day, rather, she comes home 333 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:49.039 after they've gone shopping for some you know, for her 334 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:53.279 dress and so forth, and she's with her future husband 335 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:54.599 who's seventeen. 336 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:55.640 And. 337 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:02.480 She goes, he approaches the house by him, and Grady 338 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.440 is waiting for him in the parlor of the house 339 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.440 with a rifle. And Grady was a death shot despite 340 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.880 the affliction that he grew up with, and he kills 341 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:17.440 the guy cold blood, and this is like incredible, And 342 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:22.559 Donna winds up cradling the head of her future and 343 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.880 never to be husband in her arms, and he dies 344 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.599 in her arms, bleeding out on the street. And the 345 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.759 state of Pennsylvania charges Grady with murder, and there's a 346 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:38.880 trial and eventually he's found guilty, and because the judge 347 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.880 takes pity on his condition, he gives him probation and 348 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:48.839 he doesn't go to jail, and soon after Theresa well, 349 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:53.359 at that point, Theresa has already divorced him, okay, or 350 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:56.799 rather Grady has divorced her. 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