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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a Monday

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night happy hour, live hang clips and dip. I am

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be on later, who knows. If you're watching us, Thank

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you for hanging out. If you're listening to this, because

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You can watch these at YouTube dot coms lash at

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Clippers podcast. The Clippers made a trade today. Norm Powell

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no longer on the team. He is in Miami. They

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get a great player in Norm Powell. The prophecy has

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been complete now. Adam John Collins is an LA Clipper.

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Speaker 2: Speaking into existence. Like LeVar Ball, it happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're related as anyway, but it

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absolutely happened. How do you feel about I mean, how

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do we feel before we get into the stats and whatnot.

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I was a little surprised to see the news come in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we wondered, you know it was gonna happen. Why

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hasn't it happened yet? I think we got our answer.

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They were looking for a third team and that made

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all three parties satisfied, with Norm going to Miami with

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Utah getting a second round pick and some cap relief.

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That's what they were looking for in the end, and

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it makes sense. Lawrence Frank said today that they had

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been looking at John Collins for some time, so it's

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not like he wasn't on their radar. I don't think

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he got bullied or pressured into getting John Collins from

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Clippers Twitter. I know you guys did the best you

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could and maybe there was some influence. Who knows, he's

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already a fan favorite.

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Speaker 1: He's coming into a very favorable situation. There might be

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some people with Collins Jersey already made.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be shocked if Carl Tart didn't have one.

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Speaker 1: Hen Collins can play the four. It's fantastic to see.

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Obviously it's tough to see Norm go, but Norm goes

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to a good situation. Before we get into this great question,

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that's all on the screen. Shout out to Norm Powell. Man,

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what a run as an LA Clipper.

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Speaker 3: He was our guy.

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Speaker 1: He man, he left it all on the floor. How

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many times did he literally a and up on the

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floor or how many times did he bleed during games

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for the Clippers. The man, the man gave it is

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all and the Heat, got a great player.

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Speaker 2: Got a permanent scar. I think between his eyebrows as

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a member of the Clippers, I think he's just like, no,

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this is me now, twenty four savage. Norm's a badass.

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He's gonna be one of my favorite Clippers. Just the

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consummate professional, somebody that was to root for Storm and

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Norman Powell, the Powell Rangers like nothing but fond memories

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and good things to say about Norman Powell and the

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Miami Heat. Got a really good player, and he's going

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to help him and he's gonna crush it in the

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Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, very true. The Clippers obviously pretty clear made

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the trade because they didn't see the extension really matching

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up with where we're at financially, we as in being

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that front office and the window that the Clippers have

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right now. If you look at all the recent deals,

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they're two year deals. They match up with James and Kawhi.

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Hopefully he can get the big extension. But another guy

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who's going to be up for an extension is John

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Collins after this season. He is it's kind of like

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a prove it, not prove it, but chance to make

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a lot of money if you have a good year

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for John Collins, which I like from an off the

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court motivation perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's real. I think that's something you

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have to consider. He's turning twenty eight. He will be

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smack dab in the prime of his career. At the

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end of the season, he will be looking to get paid.

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What that means for the Clippers moving forward, It's all

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about what happens this year. Let's see what the fit

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looks like. Let's see if what everybody wanted plays out

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on the court the way they expected to.

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Speaker 1: What people wanted was a four, an actual four size wise,

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who can also shoot the three. Collin shot thirty eight

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percent on threes, pretty much all catch and shoot threes.

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So he's coming into a system that is the drivekickswing

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and we know he can take catch and shoot threes.

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So that's good, right.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, his catch and shoot three stuff. I mean,

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he shot forty from three overall and all threes last season,

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and I'm guessing he'll see more open threes, at least

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he should at this point. I think the trade off

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is that there's more high leverage threes you're going to

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see playing for the Cliffers. They're going to be more

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meeting any shot he took with the Utah Jazz that

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is going through a rebuild.

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Speaker 1: Still, yeah, that's a good call. Yeah, where does he

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the place. William Uptack is here. I just told someone

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in the chat that will was in Italy. So it's

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great that Will could make this despite the time change

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tow vill Tell Blen, how are you feeling about the trade.

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We just kind of set our feelings on it. Where

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are you at? Do you already have the Collins ursy

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being printed up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, first off, I had to make a drink.

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There was a little amorrow in there because I'm in Italy.

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been asking for this for as long as I've been alive,

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as long as John Collins has been in the league.

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I'm not really even sure how to quantify it. At

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this point, it felt like the most likely of outcomes

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and somehow was still unexpected. I see we're getting some

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Jurassic rebirth thoughts in the chat that makes sense, that

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makes sense. Hoping that this trade goes a little bit

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better than that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you guys saw it too.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. I did see your tweet

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about it, which was very funny.

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Speaker 2: God, what an abomination. And that's saying something because they've

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had a few stinkers here.

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Speaker 1: We'll save the movie talk for our Patreon, which also

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includes diptok, so if you really want that, so just

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forty debate really.

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Speaker 4: One thing I thought was interesting I was listening to

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Zach Loderday, who did some coverage on the trade. When

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he was running down his starting lineup. He wasn't forecasting

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John Collins in there as this as the starting four.

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He had DJJ over him, which I thought was an

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interesting sort of notion. I don't know about you, guys,

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but I guess my immediate thought was the reason you

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go for a four like John Collins, even taking a

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step back from shooting, which we know the front office

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was prioritizing, Even taking a you know, a step back

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from scoring, which they they lacked drastically. You would think

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that that would be with the ideation to go ahead

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and play Collins at the four in that starting line.

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I've had my off base. There is that where you

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guys are at what what do we got going on there?

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Speaker 2: Big casual vibes, zach Loow with big casual vibes. I

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never would have thought, Uh no, I love zach Liw's

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and I heard that earlier too, and I kind of

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raised an eye. Probably. I don't think they're bringing him in.

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I think I think it'll be his job to lose.

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I think that's That's how I'm looking at this.

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Speaker 4: That's and as we said, there's three guys, there's three guys.

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Who's who's spot in the rotation is absolutely secured. Anybody

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else I suppose is up for debate. But I would

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be very surprised if John Collins was not your starting

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for Opening night.

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Speaker 1: Uh he Also, I think the thing too, we're gonna

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have our favorite French Canadian reporter hop on.

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Speaker 4: We got Italy, we got Italy represented, we got France

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Speaker 1: Was that the idea of the you know, the defense

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maybe falls off, which Collins isn't exactly known for his defense,

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Vitza Zubats, I feel okay about what his defensive prowess

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is going to be for what he gets us on

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Speaker 2: Law Murray did use the words earlier that he's a

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nightmare on the perimeter or he was defensively on the

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perimeter or nightmare for the Utah Jazz this past season,

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and many have said, you know, he's better as a

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five than he is as a four. At least he

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was in Utah different circumstances that I think it's at

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least something to be aware of here. Uh, you should

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probably throw a little bit of cold water on your

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face and just realize that just because his initials are

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JC doesn't mean he's the savior for this team. It's

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it's something.

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Speaker 1: Where is your hand on fire? Did you write that out?

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Speaker 2: One hundred cooking? Yeah? I think as excited as everybody is,

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he still is a guy that has some major flaws

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on the defensive end that could be mitigated by the

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guys around him, or by the coaching staff, or by

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just being in a change of scenery where he is

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now getting a new lease on life in his career,

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where he's out of Utah, where he's been the last

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two seasons, not playing high leverage basketball.

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned, but who doesn't for what the Clippers

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have available to get. You're not getting a top twenty player,

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you know, like these are some of the better options

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out there. I also do think playing next to Lorie

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marketing presents its own sort of like issues. And if

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you look at both of the teams where Collins was

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at immediately before his Clippers tenure, they weren't exactly defensive stalwarts.

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like a much better defender, but I will say, like

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even just a greater emphasis on on effort and some

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some better defensive scheming. You know, I do think that

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some of that can be mitigated a little bit. Again,

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great now, but I do think that you can, you know,

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elevate the floor of that defensive play.

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Speaker 1: Seville brought up in the chat to like, it's not

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like Norm was killing it on the perimeter with his defense,

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you know what I mean, Like, we're not we didn't

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lose defensive guys in this trade at all, Like that's

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Speaker 2: The problem though, could be like, you can get more

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exploited with the guys. John Collins may be asked to

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they're going to get the best out of him. Whatever

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he can do defensively, whatever he is capable of. It's

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just if it's a motivation thing, if it's a motor thing,

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I think they have the ability to bring out the

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have JVG. I'm excited to see

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how hit like. We saw the defense change. Obviously, we

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saw a bunch of Doune and Derek Jones Junior, whose

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roles I mean, they're both kind of diminished. They're both

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diminished from being starters. It'll be interesting to see what

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he does with just the defensive scheme with a couple

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of these new guys. I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: See, this is the stuff I feel like we should

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pump the brakes on. This is our Aaron Gordon to

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the Denver Nuggets type. Aaron Gordon was looked at as

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like a number one or number two option on a

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championship team when he was drafted and he was playing

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with Orlando and was a very young player.

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Speaker 4: How old when that trade happened? Five years younger?

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Speaker 1: We have a French Canadian in the waiting. Guess I

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have to let them in. Welcome to the show, Justin Russo,

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how you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 2: We we.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, have you been justin?

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Speaker 4: Have you been getting any sleep tracking all this, all

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this Clippers free free agency insanity.

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Speaker 3: Well, between that and keeping up with the dog that's

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been having some medical emergencies, I haven't been sleeping that much,

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so it's been great. Yeah, he's fine. I think he'll

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be fine. So just one of those things where it's

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the off season, but apparently not for the dog who

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decides that he needed to spice up my life a

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little bit, and so did the Clippers and Lawrence Frank this.

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Speaker 1: Morning, he's locked in. Your dog is locked in.

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Speaker 3: He felt his bones that it was happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got that dog in.

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Speaker 4: He was so overwhelmed with joy his body couldn't handle

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it exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're all getting up there in age, you know,

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so it's it's like when you could sense the rain

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in your knee when you get older, you know.

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Speaker 4: I in dog years he's been waiting for this trade

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for seventy two years.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's not age that much here, Russo, I wanted

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to talk to you about this right away. Lawrence Frank

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alluded to this using John Collins offensively alongside both of

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and brook Lopez. How excited are we to look at

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the three man lineup numbers of Collins, Lopez and Zoo.

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Speaker 3: Not that excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm a high, Lawrence said it. I'm going off with

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Speaker 2: He said, says, I thought he said Zoo and brook

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Lopez they may experiment with.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 1: I got from someone's tweet who may or may not

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be in this chat, said Lawrence Frank has talked about

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the intricate ways they can use John Collins offensively alongside

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both of Eats Bots and brook Lopez.

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Speaker 2: That could be how he plays with one and then

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how he plays that was.

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Speaker 3: That was one and the other crazy?

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Speaker 1: Not if you're crazy.

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Speaker 3: Listen, if the rest of the Western Conference is gonna

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it's gonna zig to two bigs, sometimes you got a

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zag to three.

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Speaker 4: So what the lineup Collins Brook Yeah, No, you gotta

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get fully crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's like Derek Kawhi and the three Bigs.

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Speaker 2: Like you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just it's like terodactyls out there.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, dude, good luck keeping.

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Speaker 3: Up with the Jurassic Park theme.

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Speaker 1: By the way, realistically, justin uh, this is now a

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better roster than the Clippers started last season with.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know who would disagree, even without the

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addition of another guard, the lack of scoring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I they're a little light at guard now,

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but I think that gets solved.

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Speaker 4: New problem, brand new problem for this team.

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Speaker 3: You're just plugging holes and Philly, you gotta figure it

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out as you go along. But I think the guard

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thing obviously will work itself out in the coming days.

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Speaker 2: The language that Lawrence Frank used today makes me very

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confident that it's gonna work itself out very soon. Here.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you will alluded to it.

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Speaker 2: To that degree if they didn't know something was very close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we address some needs, there are other needs

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we have to address. Will continue to work through it.

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Speaker 4: So Bill a done deal.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's looking like Bradley Beal will probably be We'll probably

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be a Clipper.

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Speaker 4: You would say, you would go ahead and say get

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that jersey now.

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Speaker 1: Carl Tart by the Jersey.

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Speaker 3: By the way, on Jersey Watch, Big Jersey Watch between

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Brook Lopez and Jordan Miller.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest here, Oh that's true.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Miller's only ever worn number eleven in college in

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the NBA, so's Brook Lopez.

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Speaker 4: M M. And if they got to play one on

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one for it, I feel like it's only fair.

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Speaker 3: Listen, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: You think Bradley Beal ends up starting, would that be

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something they'd be dangling during negotiations.

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Speaker 1: I was just I was trying to figure that out

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before we record this, because that makes every that you

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talk about some rough point of attack defense James Hard

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and Bradley Beal. That's a little difficult. Collins is starting

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for sure too in that lineup.

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Speaker 3: I would be shocked if Brad doesn't start if he's here,

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and I would be shocked if John isn't starting when

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he's here. I'm on a first name basis now, these

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are the people I have to cover.

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Speaker 1: Brad b Brad.

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Speaker 4: I'm with like I'm with you, And I actually think

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we already know about Dune sort of offensive limitations. And

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I actually think that Beal next to Harden in the

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backcourt is a closer pairing to what we had last

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year when it was working. So I think that makes

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the most sense. And then you you know, feasibly upgraded

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both positions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The problem is then your down to only two good

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defenders and relying on Kawhi to defend more.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm worried about, right.

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Speaker 2: That's a big identity shift.

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Speaker 3: Lawrence did say today that Kawhi was excited for the

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trade and all signed. This is me talking now, not Laurence,

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but all signs point to that. Uh, Kawhi has embraced

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the fact that he's gonna have to play a little

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bit more small forward this year and have to.

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Speaker 2: And the guy who two years ago I'll play power

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forward until they get a real one would have a

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problem with playing small forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I don't understand that far.

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Speaker 3: Well. The interesting part was Lawrence today said that Kawhi

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has relayed that he'll do whatever it take, whatever it takes,

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whatever the team needs for him to do.

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Speaker 4: Has he ever vocalized that he was unhappy with the

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trade and was unwilling to do whatever the tea No.

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Speaker 3: But we can find out pretty soon if we just

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ask him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true when he gets.

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Speaker 3: Back from the Paris Fashion show or if that's still

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going on. I like we heard no, I'm just my

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invertation got lost in the mail, you know.

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Speaker 2: I like when we heard about James Harden too, that

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he's helped with recruiting guys want to play with him.

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That was cool to hear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lawrence mentioned it in that because free agents are

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seeing how playing with James can benefit them in the

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open market if they hit it again. So yeah, yeah,

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I mean, look, if you play with James Harden, odds

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are your jobs a little bit easier? Offensively You're not

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having to do as much. So it stands to reason.

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Speaker 2: What do you rank John Collins's defense? Law Murray earlier

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on with Me said he can be a nightmare on

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the perimeter, or he was last season for the Utah Jazz. Like,

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what are we in store for? And can they fix it?

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Speaker 1: Would you rank it? I guess let's put it in

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context of the team.

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Speaker 3: I gotta remember, it's gonna sound terrible. I gotta remember

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who's on the team. I'm pulling up the list, so

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kawhis above him, shocker zoos above him? Oh is this

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just perimeter defenders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do perimeter.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Kawhi's above him, Derek's above him, Chris is above him,

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Nico's above him, and then you're getting to like between

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him James and Bogie and okay, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting yeah, ok yeah, he's the border line. He's

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basically the five hundred guy kind of because everyone else

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is perimeter defense wise, a pretty sharp drop off from

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that from the top of the Clippers.

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Speaker 3: His his perimeter defense was was pretty bad last year.

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But what I will say is his weak side defense

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was pretty solid. And he did play quite a bit

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with Walker Kessler, at least when they were both available,

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and the numbers with him and Walker were pretty good

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when they Like there's the misconception that Utah Jads were

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a bad team, and they were a bad team. That's

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not the misconceptions when they're guys. But when the guys

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were on the floor, like their best players were actually

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on the floor, they were a solid to good team.

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They were a plus seven net rating with their four

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best players on the floor. Like this is now granted

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it was like three hundred minutes, it's function, Yeah, it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: It was so good. They had to take them off

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because they yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much pretty they had Yeah, are the Jazz

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actually good two years away from the two years away?

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Speaker 4: This is the most big brain to take I've heard

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on this show.

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Speaker 3: They look it sounds pretty plain to say when their

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best players were on the floor, they were good. But

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like they did have to bench John Collins and Lori

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Markinen and Walkers Walker Kester was just chucking threes in

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the second half of the year because they weren't trying.

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It's just what happened.

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Speaker 4: So they.

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Speaker 3: They got Ace, Yeah, they yeah, they got Ace and

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they got fined and then they fell from first to fifth.

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Speaker 1: And Ace is hyped to be there, So that's gonna

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work out great.

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Speaker 3: Never seen a happier man in my life.

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Speaker 1: Is there a world in which CP three comes with

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the Clippers, because a lot of people have been excited

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about that. There is a way they could get both

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Bil and Chris Paul, But that because we're talking about

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guys starting, and I don't think if they got Chris

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Paul and Bradley Beal then both of them will be starting.

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Maybe they would, and I would cut my own bench.

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There we go save them. He could play the second

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and the third quarter, he just doesn't play the first

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and the fourth. Where are we at on Chris Paul

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supposedly between the Clippers and the Suns.

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Speaker 3: Right, I've heard two different things. I've heard that he's

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not ruled out for the Clippers or he's not ruled

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the Clippers on. And I've also heard that because they

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are most likely the Bradley Beal destination, that kind of

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rules Chris Paul out himself, if that makes sense. So,

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I don't know, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, does he get his Lakers moment all these years later?

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Speaker 3: He could he could play alongside Luca. That'd be fun,

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just have two forty year olds on the court together.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that sounds really fun. I would like

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to see that.

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Speaker 2: Uh, some issues already. I don't know if that would

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be the best move for them, Adam.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this one was cued up for you.

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The way this is phrase is very funny. Is l

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Frank an underrated GM? I feel like we always make

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the right trades, Adam. You have been not pulling receipts,

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but looking at the till of what of some things

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that people have said about Laura, it's Frank justin You

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got to give me that one that was pretty good.

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Uh is l Frank an underrated.

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Speaker 2: Gif only to his own fan base. He's a lot

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executive of the year five years ago. Like to me,

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people keep saying somebody was hitting me up saying something

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to the effect of if you want a mid team

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but not a championship level team. Yeah, he does a

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pretty good job. And I'm like, guys who put together

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the team we all thought was gonna win in twenty

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twenty one before Kawhi Leonard towards ACL that would have

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been Lawrence Frank. I think he just put together some

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really good teams. I think for the most part, the

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downfalls of the Clippers have been things outside of their

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controls because of injuries. And then there comes the draft

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people and they're like, well, he doesn't draft ball enough. Well,

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almost all the picks or late first rounders or second rounders,

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and those have a very small chance of making it.

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You guys find the outliers like Christian Brown, but you

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don't find all the other guys who ended up not

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making it around the same area he was picked at,

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and Clippers haven't had good enough luck there, And yeah,

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they can do better with their drafting. I agree with that.

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Nobody's perfect, but I think he's he's probably been underrated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think underrated is fair.

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Speaker 3: Justin your rebuttal, I think it's hard to evaluate general

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managers unless they're objectively bad. And you know an objectively

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and you know an objectively bad general manager when you

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see one, So like it's I I think a lot

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of moves in the NBA require intricate context, and like today,

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Lawrence Frank said about John Collins that he's someone they've

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targeted for the last couple of years. So it's clearly

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someone who's been on the radar that they just haven't

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been able to trade for before today. So it's like,

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how do you judge? How do you judge that move?

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Like that he didn't make it two years ago, when

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it's like, should he have given up more to get him?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what.

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Speaker 3: Some people will argue, But turns out they only I

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mean I say only, but they gave up Norman Powell

476
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and really not take up a second but like really

477
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nothing else. And that same trade maybe a year or

478
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,119
two ago, requires a lesser player going out but more

479
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,559
draft capital. So there's a I would have lost their

480
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,640
minds about. Yeah, I mean The big thing too that

481
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I see is like, well, he can't draft, but why

482
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is he trading draft picks? Well, if you think he

483
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,720
can't draft and you get mad at him trading picks,

484
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,640
the what's the what? What do you care?

485
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Speaker 2: Like you can't know he can't draft, don't own the

486
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,079
trade picks? Make it make sense.

487
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: It's like, well, maybe if he knows he's bad at drafting,

488
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,640
he's trading picks, then obviously he knows he's bad at drafting.

489
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,160
It doesn't need them, so like who cares? But I

490
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I think with a lot of things in sports, and

491
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especially in the NBA, there's nuance that needs to be applied.

492
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And I think he's an objectively fine general or he's

493
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:10,319
not even a general manager, effectively fine president of basketball

494
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:14,680
operations because Trent rends the GM j G. That's that's

495
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what I hear.

496
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you all know who's really pulling the string.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, leads in the back room, just dialing it up.

498
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Speaker 1: Crushing by the way.

499
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Speaker 3: I think it's like when everyone it's like when everyone

500
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gave Jerry credit, Jerry West credit for like signing Kawhi

501
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or trading for PG and it's like, well, it's a

502
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,440
collective body that does this, and then one guy ends

503
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,480
up making the call and the guy that mixed the

504
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,119
calls of technically Steve Balmers. So I don't know where

505
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you want to want to lay it down at the

506
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feet of So it's it's it's a basketball organization. It's

507
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not one guy.

508
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Speaker 4: Yeah, everything that was good was Jerry West. Everything that's

509
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,440
bad is Lawrence Fring.

510
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Speaker 3: People also forget that Jerry West Jerome Robinson was Jerry West.

511
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Guys problem yeah, yeah, I'm oh, yeah, shit happens, you know.

512
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Speaker 1: So I'll never forget that. Some of us will never

513
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,319
forget that.

514
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Speaker 5: Uh oh.

515
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Speaker 4: Someone is also bringing up in the chat that, which

516
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,680
I've thought about too. I do think that part of

517
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,799
being a GM is you're sort of managing some of

518
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,799
like player wants and demands that are someone outside of

519
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:29,640
your control. I'll always remember the uh, the famous Lawrence

520
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:38,680
Frank press conference after uh, the press conference immediately preceding

521
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,920
the signing of Russell Westbrook when we talked about the

522
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,240
kind of guys that we want on this team, sensive minded, uh,

523
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,000
three point guys. It's good stuff, good stuff.

524
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Speaker 2: How did people still think he gave up the How

525
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,440
is there still a thing l Frank gave up the

526
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,599
entire farm for PG. How do people still not realize that,

527
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,720
Like obviously they did it to Lri Kawhi, Like how

528
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,440
do you not add in that context?

529
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,279
Speaker 4: And that's another situation too, where like their hand was

530
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,720
a little bit forced by the star that they wanted

531
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to get.

532
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,759
Speaker 2: And there are partnerships now with players with player empowerment.

533
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,599
Every every star is like a franchise unto themselves in

534
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,599
today's NBA league, And if you don't work with them,

535
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,359
you're probably never getting those guys. Everybody does it to

536
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:25,880
some degree.

537
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: All gems from Adam today question we were talking about

538
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,759
on the last episode Harden's second, you're being partially guaranteed.

539
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,720
I don't want to sound like a rube. How does

540
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this work? And why did he agree to it?

541
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Speaker 3: Rube away, That's that's me.

542
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,759
Speaker 1: I generally, I'm like, what, I don't I assume he's

543
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,240
getting paid another forty million dollars, so.

544
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Speaker 3: It works like a mutual option. He picks it up.

545
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,000
So like if he picks it up, then the Clippers

546
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,799
can basically just decide not to pick up the remaining portion.

547
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,640
He is partially guaranteed. I want to say from what

548
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,279
I've heard. I think it's like thirteen million or so. Yeah,

549
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:17,839
and I saw that floated out there by someone. So basically,

550
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480
in this scenario, like James picks up his player option,

551
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,640
the Clippers have declined their aspect of it basically and

552
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,720
waive him and they start to pay him the thirteen million,

553
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:30,880
and then they get that money, not get the money back,

554
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,440
but you know what I mean.

555
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's like a thirteen million dollar buyout basically essentially.

556
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, towards the cap.

557
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thirteen will count against the cap. Yeah, some

558
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,039
people caught the Bradley.

559
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: That's fair. I've been wondering that all day.

560
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:50,839
Speaker 3: All day. You've been wondering this all day.

561
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,279
Speaker 1: What have you been doing a very slow day at work?

562
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: Okay, let's thin.

563
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: Showing up man saving for the Patriot. The Patriot is

564
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,640
dip talk and film talk. That is it. Yeah, like

565
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,000
that Adam was about to go on about he.

566
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Speaker 2: Had a slow day at work, He's just washing the clock,

567
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:17,599
like the beginning of about Schmidt.

568
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,799
Speaker 3: I will say, just to add on one thing. I

569
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,000
do find it rather interesting the Clippers have had de

570
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,119
facto team options essentially on their three signings of the

571
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,160
summer James obviously the mutual option with the non guaranteed

572
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,160
second year or at least partially guaranteed second year, and

573
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,480
then Brooke they got a team option, and Nico they

574
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,960
got a team option. If I said waving, I'm sorry,

575
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,839
it's a long day, my brain is fried. I don't

576
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,079
know what that even means.

577
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh long day for Justin Okay.

578
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: Oh maybe I did say Wavid. If James Hardy gets Wavid,

579
00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:02,880
you know, so some say, but yeah, no, it's interesting. Yeah,

580
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,400
it's interesting that they got three kind of team options

581
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,799
on the older guys, so it gives him some leeway

582
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400
going into the off season. I know, and a lot's

583
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,880
been made about twenty twenty seven, but I had heard,

584
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,119
even as of two years ago, before the PG thing

585
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,160
had come into fruition that or even the I'm sorry

586
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,319
the James traded even come into fruition, that they had

587
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,480
looked at basically keen in on twenty twenty six offseason.

588
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:36,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they saw a lot of flexibility the time.

589
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,759
One could be a year quicker year.

590
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Six possibly I think in cap space for that year.

591
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

592
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, it works, it should I.

593
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: Mean because basically, like Bogie's on a team option, Nico's

594
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,759
team option, Kobe Brown's team option, which his his team

595
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:56,799
option data I believe is coming up or maybe it

596
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,160
already got picked up. I'd have to go double check,

597
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,240
but uh didn't. But then you end up going through.

598
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,519
It's like the guaranteed guys in terms of money on

599
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:13,599
the roster are Kawhi, Zoo, Derek and then Cam Christy

600
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,039
really and Yana and Yanna Conanederhauser. I don't know why

601
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:19,319
I said.

602
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: His full name will probably be on there too. After

603
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,400
the end of this season.

604
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: We should just become an all name team, you know,

605
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,160
just get the greatest names you could ever think of,

606
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,759
and who knows, maybe you could maybe you can throw

607
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,200
then maybe you could throw it in Luka Doncic and

608
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,559
the ganis onto the Kompo like for all names. As

609
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,880
we discussed this, you know, going into next season or

610
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,440
twenty twenty six, I.

611
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,599
Speaker 2: Think after today, because you trade out one expiring contract

612
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,440
for twenty million for an expiring in John Collins as

613
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,039
twenty six million, they might be able to get up

614
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:55,799
to about sixty six million this offseason. If he went

615
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,640
partial guarantee on James. You mentioned Brook Lopez, He's got

616
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200
the team option. They don't bring back John Collins, but

617
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:07,359
to bogie. Like, I think twenty twenty six is back

618
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,319
on the menu. Boys, Like enough of this two year

619
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,960
we have to wait two years. Twenty twenty six is real.

620
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I want to pull up a list of the twenty

621
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:20,720
twenty six free agents for Garrett Griffin specifically we're talking about.

622
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,279
I'm trying just about the YouTube. I've tried to promote

623
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,599
the YouTube for the audio channel. Oh yeah, sorry, watch us.

624
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,000
You can watch me yell at these guys at YouTube

625
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,880
dot complished at Clippers podcast. Thanks for hanging out Garret

626
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,000
Griffin proceed.

627
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: Uh justin Well, Charles looks this up. Let's say the

628
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,359
deal deal isn't as done as we think it is.

629
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Where do we pivot from there? If that doesn't end

630
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:46,680
up being the case?

631
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean it would be Chris right, Chris Paul Just

632
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:51,599
that's the logical pivot.

633
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,039
Speaker 4: Is that enough scoring? Can he slot into a starting rule?

634
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't think with Chris, I don't think it's a

635
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,359
scoring thing. I think it's more of like they had

636
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,160
turnover issues last year and he doesn't throw the ball over.

637
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:10,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, audition by subtraction if you will, Oh no.

638
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: You're two to addition to subtraction.

639
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,519
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance he was.

640
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:21,519
Speaker 4: Auditioned by subtraction the double negative? Baby?

641
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: Would you say that CP three in the starting backcourt

642
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,440
with James Harden, do you think that's possible.

643
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,199
Speaker 3: I don't rule it out at some point, just because

644
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,119
Chris is a smart basketball player and he wants to start.

645
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,360
I understand like the hesitancy about like, well, he's forty

646
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000
years old, so why like why would you let him start.

647
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,920
It's like all he's ever done is start, outside of

648
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,239
like forty games in Golden State where he was pissed

649
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,039
off coming off the bench, but he still did it,

650
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,079
but like he wasn't happy about it, and then he

651
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,639
got shipped off to what was a Washington not what

652
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,400
it was, and he got bought out. Yes, yeah, So,

653
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,800
I mean I don't think it's the worst thing in

654
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,119
the world if he starts. I also think if he

655
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:13,400
were to start, it's like twenty five minutes a night.

656
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Hm. I do have concerns about this reconfiguration with the

657
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,800
starting lineup, and there's a lot of ifs here because

658
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,559
they don't even have Beal or CP three yet. But

659
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,360
you're taking one more defender off the floor with the

660
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,000
lineup we just talked about earlier, and this team was

661
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,039
third in defense last season, so it would be a

662
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,880
pretty big shift away from that great point of attack

663
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,440
defense that was kind of what they hung their ad on.

664
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen people talk about, well they got rid

665
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,599
of like they're three what people classifiers are three worst

666
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,719
defenders or whatever, and then they brought in Brook Lopez.

667
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,440
It's like, that's true. They brought in Brook and they

668
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,960
brought in oh my god, I just blank John Collins

669
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,480
and they resign Nico. But the other aspect of this

670
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:08,119
is like it's an old team. Everyone talks about their age,

671
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:11,000
it's an old team. It's another year and you're asking

672
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,599
Kawi to do more on the ball stuff, which could

673
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,360
have repercussions because Derek and Chris aren't doing it as

674
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,400
much as they did last year, which was a big

675
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,320
reason for the defense being as good as it was.

676
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,679
So there is gonna be a there's a high likelihood

677
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,000
of a defensive I'm not gonna say drop off, but

678
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,840
a slippage of some sort this year where in an

679
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,679
offense and in a starting lineup where it's going to

680
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:37,519
pivot to a more offensive structure. The defense is the

681
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:39,880
thing that's most likely to take a hit when you

682
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920
adjust for the way guys are gonna have to accept

683
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,440
new roles of who to guard, Like James is gonna

684
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,000
have to guard on the perimeter a lot more. Now,

685
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,760
that's just the way of life.

686
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna be a top five defense. I'm

687
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,880
pretty comfortable in saying that because they also shouldn't need

688
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,119
They should be top ten hopefully, but they shouldn't need

689
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,559
to be a top five defense to win fifty games.

690
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the offense could pick him up because

691
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,159
they basically were back to being a top ten offense

692
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,840
when Kawhi Leonard was back to himself last twenty or

693
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,679
so games of the regular season, and that could balance

694
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,159
things out. It's just they really solidified an identity on

695
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:29,000
that defensive end last season and having Kawhi having to

696
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,199
guard more because all of a sudden, he's your best

697
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,480
wing defender in the starting lineup. If Bila is in

698
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,039
there with John Collins this year, next to James and

699
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:43,519
two bots, that's something to think about. Hey, we got

700
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,800
Kawhi away from playing the four, but now he has

701
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,119
to guard way more and move around more on the perimeter.

702
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,119
Is that the goal here?

703
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:59,639
Speaker 4: What do you want? What do you want him to do?

704
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: It's a personnel thing, Will, not a one thing with Kawi.

705
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,400
It's do you want Bradley Beal starting over somebody like

706
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,480
Chris Dunn or DJ.

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00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

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00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 5: I'm willing to take that risk. And I like scoring points.

709
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,519
I would like to watch the team that puts up

710
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,079
points in a game that.

711
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: Saying how we're how good they were defensively last season,

712
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,400
and how you can rely on that every night.

713
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 4: If they can top they can be top ten and

714
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,880
just be not bottom five in offense. That'd be great.

715
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about bottom five in offense. They weren't.

716
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,800
And if Kai starts the year healthy, I think you're

717
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,760
pretty much guaranteed. If he and James Harden are out there,

718
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,239
you're gonna be a top ten offense.

719
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: At top ten of both.

720
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: All right.

721
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 4: Around. I'm doing nothing.

722
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Let's trade has broken Will's brain. Will Well, it's like,

723
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,639
what if we start what if we brought Norm back?

724
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:18,639
Somehow we started hard Norm Beal? Why columns we start small?

725
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,519
Speaker 3: I will say, I will say that the columns fit

726
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,840
is a little interesting because it does seem pretty seamless.

727
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:33,159
But I think there are worry parts of the fit

728
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,119
in terms of the overall defensive aspect, and I am

729
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:41,320
curious to see how he's used offensively. I think I

730
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,559
think there is a lot of potential. He's he's been

731
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,320
a good corner three point shooter over the last couple

732
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,880
of years, and he's been a fairly solid above the

733
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,280
break three point shooter as well. I want to say

734
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,800
he shot like thirty seven and a half percent over

735
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,920
the last two years on just above the break threes,

736
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,199
which is a good sign of shooting acumen among the

737
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:02,199
types of threes. Uh, he hasn't taken a lot of threes.

738
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,000
It's like three and a half per game, which isn't

739
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,079
a lot. So they're gonna need him to uptick that

740
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,920
when he's on the floor. But I do think there

741
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,800
there are interesting ways. Lawrence Frank touched on it today

742
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,280
in the Zoom call with with Media where he talked

743
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,400
about like he can play alongside Zoobie because Zoo's so

744
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,960
good in the short role that he could find for

745
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,119
a little dump opser or lobs underneath the hoop, which

746
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,960
we saw somewhat sometimes this year with Derek Jones. And

747
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,360
Zoo in a similar setting, or if he plays alongside Burn, Yeah,

748
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,079
and then if he plays alongside Brook, you have Brook

749
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:41,000
as the floor spacer and John is the roller. And

750
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,719
this way that's that's another dynamic that opens up. So

751
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,440
there are ways to use him offensively. I don't I

752
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,840
just don't think people should expect like, oh, here's a

753
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,079
twenty to ten guy or eighteen.

754
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,199
Speaker 1: How many is he going to be taking if he's

755
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,119
the fourth option? That's the big question, right, like how

756
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,119
many more is it than three point seven per game

757
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,679
or whatever? And I don't mean that disrespectfully, Like he's

758
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,760
the fourth option.

759
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,079
Speaker 4: Five get five attempts a game?

760
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: I think that's hard. I think five attempts per game

761
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,159
on this team for a non top three option is hard.

762
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,960
Nor was normOn got there because half the team was

763
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
gone when Norm was doing it, So like he was

764
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,360
the guy who had to do something.

765
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,079
Speaker 1: He was at like sixteen per game when Kawhi was

766
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,039
healthy or something like that. What three points I would play?

767
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,719
I think he was what three? No points per game? Sorry?

768
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,159
Oh no, not three.

769
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:46,039
Speaker 3: I think when he came back from this, when he

770
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,800
came back from injury and Kawhi was I want to

771
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,880
say it was like fourteen to sixteen if I remember correctly,

772
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,119
somewhere in that range, and he genuinely struggled because there

773
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,119
was just less shots to go around.

774
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,039
Speaker 4: And he was coming back from the injury at that point, right, Yeah,

775
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:00,719
that back until.

776
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: After he was injured.

777
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

778
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: So but shot diet wise, yeah, Collins isn't going to

779
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,360
be hoisted up that many where he wasn't.

780
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: I put it out earlier. I got to find my

781
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,960
tweet again.

782
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: That's not a knock on John Collins. Also, yeah, it's not.

783
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,519
I don't mean that in a bad way. He's brought

784
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:20,920
in here to do exactly.

785
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: That, because yeah, if he only puts up like, let's say,

786
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,719
one hundred and fifty to two hundred three pointers, like

787
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,519
variance is going to very much well, like to a

788
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,360
game gets you to one sixty, you know, one hundred

789
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,760
and sixty four in a season, but that's going to

790
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,519
bring a lot of variance to his three point percentage.

791
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:46,320
That could freak people out, I think.

792
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: But won't the shot diet change though quite a bit,

793
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,320
because those like nine to two point field goal attempts,

794
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:55,679
that's not what he's here for, like, and that's not

795
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,760
really what he's on the floor for except for minutes

796
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,119
when he's playing small ball five for the most.

797
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: Part, which will be fun. Those are going to be

798
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,760
really So it suckered into wingstop again. And I've been

799
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,800
there before, and sometimes it's good. It's very rare that

800
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,519
it's good because we don't see it a lot. It's

801
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:17,639
always closed. But it was always good and always well

802
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,519
in real life. But Clippers wing stop is the opposite

803
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,199
of real life wingstop.

804
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: Maybe because they're sponsored by the Lakers and sabotage.

805
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,599
Speaker 1: I like that idea, and this goes all the way

806
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:31,719
to the top of wingstop to dl.

807
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: The fight I tweeted out earlier today, like it was

808
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,360
like ten to forty in the morning. Colin shot thirty

809
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,159
eight percent on three and a half threes over the

810
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,239
last two seasons. That's not a lot of threes, but

811
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,400
all all but six of those were catching shoot. So

812
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,159
it's not like John call is not just pulling up

813
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,360
willy nilly off the yeah, which I.

814
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,519
Speaker 1: Was when she was shooting forty percent doing that. That's

815
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,519
will basketball, that's will uptake basketball.

816
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: Apparently, none of this nerd stuff.

817
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of this of that you dribble up, you

818
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,719
take the quicker.

819
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,559
Speaker 4: You get out of the offensive possession, the faster you

820
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:09,599
can get back on defense.

821
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:13,079
Speaker 1: Okay, Phyllis, it's a simple math.

822
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: He shot thirty nine percent on corner threes, He shot

823
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,920
seventy three percent inside the restricted area over the last

824
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,039
two years, which obviously is great. Had one hundred and

825
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,960
seventy two dunks. You'll always take dunks, let's be realistic.

826
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,719
But here's the interesting part of this is he was

827
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,360
eighty first percentile and effective field goal percentage onn threes,

828
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,360
which is really good. But he was thirty second percentile

829
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,119
in three point attempts per seventy five possessions. So he's

830
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,719
efficient when he shoots them, he just doesn't take them

831
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,679
a lot. And I know people think five three point attempts.

832
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,920
You know, he could possibly get to. What I will

833
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,760
caveat this with is Marcus Morris during his best years

834
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960
with the Clippers average five three point attempts per game.

835
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,880
Marcus was a great three point shooter. Like, we can't

836
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:03,320
deny that if John got to period, if John was

837
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,800
able to get the five per game, because Marcus was

838
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,679
playing like twenty nine minutes a game. So if John

839
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,079
can do that and get to that level. Just on

840
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,519
that part alone, it's a major win. Especially as a

841
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,480
corner three point option. That's a major win because Norm's

842
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:21,760
three point shooting, especially from the corners, was great. And

843
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,679
I'm not saying it's a like for like, but he does.

844
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,960
John Collins will have to not replicate it, but at

845
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,159
least supply some of that and also other facets, especially

846
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:33,679
around the room.

847
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned the offensive rebounding being a good thing that

848
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,519
I think I saw your tweet about it. Risso about

849
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,880
calls me a good offensive rebounder, looking forward to that

850
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:47,840
because that has always been a little frustrating sometimes.

851
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a solid offensive rebounder, especially as a corner crasher,

852
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,519
which is the Clippers offensive rebound philosophy. We saw Derek

853
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,880
do it a lot this past year. Some of you

854
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,320
want to do it a bunch and yeah, and they

855
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,639
wanted a mirror to do it a lot if he

856
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,920
was in the corner, Like it was just their athletic guys.

857
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,719
If you're in the corner, just go crash the glass.

858
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000
It's a basic basketball philosophy anyways, Like in covering the

859
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,000
LA sparks and being able to see their practices that

860
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,400
are open to media, they do the same thing. It's

861
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,280
you corner crash anyone at the hash and up. You

862
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,320
just got to get back. That's literally the simple, simplest

863
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,039
way to do it. He'll have his opportunity as to

864
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:29,119
offensive rebound because outside of Zoo there and at times Derek,

865
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:37,360
there wasn't much inct offensive rebound. This is a way

866
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,440
to boost that. I thought. The interesting part in Lawrence

867
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,960
Frank's statement that they put out in the press release

868
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,320
talked about the value of extra possessions because that's the

869
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,679
way the NBA is gone. I know it sounds simple like, oh,

870
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
just get more possessions and you're likely to win the game.

871
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,639
Speaker 1: Whippers fans have watched us and not get extra possessions

872
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,360
or what feels like not get extra possessions In some

873
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,079
pretty agree just cases, it's been it's.

874
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: Pretty big reason against Denver they lost.

875
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this question by uh Stuie b Stewie.

876
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,159
Is Bogie are sixth man? How do we feel if

877
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,440
that's the case, Is Bogie the first guy off the bench?

878
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:15,679
Speaker 3: Now?

879
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, Collins is going to be starting. Uh Done

880
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,480
off the bench first, Bogie off the bench first, Lopez

881
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:33,639
off the bench first. Where we are who's.

882
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,159
Speaker 3: Just will in the back of for who.

883
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: So starting? Let's go Harden? Uh do we do.

884
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,039
Speaker 4: That?

885
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: Just just go with the roster that's there. Now, you'll

886
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,599
save yourself some headaches.

887
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: Will it? But is it? If it's going to be Beal?

888
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: I think justin just told us it's not Wow, go

889
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,280
right there.

890
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: For okay? So then do both of them. If Bradley

891
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:08,639
Bal's here, who's your first player off the bench? And

892
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:10,159
if he's not here, who's the first player off the.

893
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,519
Speaker 2: Bench, then it's defense. If Bradley Bual is starting. If

894
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,599
he's not, then it's offense. Then it's bogey. So done.

895
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,360
If Bradley Beal starts Bogie if he's not, I would.

896
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, I like that idea. That makes the most

897
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,000
sense because we would need defense at some point in

898
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,079
the first quarter at the.

899
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,119
Speaker 2: Point of attack done or DJ, assuming neither one of

900
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,840
them are starting. If Bradley Bual is.

901
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: It feels like a don It feels like a done

902
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:45,519
requirement to get him on the floor first for the

903
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,920
second energy going for the point of attack stuff, and

904
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,960
then drew extra ball handling to save James early.

905
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, shooting takes a hit.

906
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: Who needs shooting apparently, you know, like you just bring

907
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,719
in Chris and Derek and then you got you got

908
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,079
Brooke with them. Who can do all the shooting. You know,

909
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,119
I can just bomb away from uh from the Librea tarpits.

910
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: Guys like, Hey, shout out Librea Tarpets. Everyone go and

911
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,880
buy a membership. Yeah, these guys laugh at me. You know,

912
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,760
we get that Collins Lopez Zoo light up out there.

913
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,519
We're set. We are good to go. Size.

914
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: That's why your first sez you gotta get out of there.

915
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:33,800
Get the dead weight out of there.

916
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: The dead it's Kawhi, It's for Kawhi, dude.

917
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: I do really like the pairing of Lopez and John Collins.

918
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:47,880
I think there's a lot to cook with there with

919
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,280
Lopez before John Collins then gets unlocked as more as

920
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,960
that rim runner when he's not playing next to Zoo

921
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,760
but playing next to Brook Lopez.

922
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,079
Speaker 1: The hardened Collins Lopez minutes will be fun to look

923
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,880
at and probably a point of contention for Clippers fans.

924
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: I did find it funny today in the Zoom call

925
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,280
where Lawrence talks about signing Brook Lopez and like how

926
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,159
impactful he's been and can be for this team. And

927
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:21,559
then starts rallying, rattling off and then says, no disrespect.

928
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:28,280
But since Isaiah Hartenstein, I'm just like, oh no, Like.

929
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: You must listen to the pod.

930
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: It was just nice to hear it Isaiah shout out,

931
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,639
you know, just randomly. NBA champion Isaiah Hartenstein.

932
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,679
Speaker 1: Thanks to this and we brought we wanted you on

933
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,280
to remind us that the Oklahoma City Thunder won the

934
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:52,599
championship Champion. Let's talk the rookie. We have summer league,

935
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,159
we got Summer league coming up. How excited are we

936
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,039
for Yannick and Poolakitis? Will will start with you. Are

937
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:06,280
you more excited to see Poolokitis or Yanick both?

938
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,639
Speaker 5: Uh?

939
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: No?

940
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,519
Speaker 1: I interesting answer?

941
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 3: Are you Pool excited?

942
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: Yes? No?

943
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,119
Speaker 1: I mean like that is it for Justin Russo?

944
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: Uh?

945
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: Yannick is probably closer in like the biggest of air quotes.

946
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:31,199
Uh do a potential uh NBA rotation spot with the Clippers?

947
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:38,519
Uh Poolokitas? I mean if the if the skill set transfers.

948
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,320
I just don't think there's anything that's going to be

949
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,119
surprising from Poolokitas in Summer League. I guess is all

950
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:48,079
that I'm saying. Charles, You're on mute. You're beauted, but

951
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,000
you're having a hell of a time by yourself.

952
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,199
Speaker 1: I think I think Polokias's skill set will transfer over.

953
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800
I think nothing else will be able to catch up.

954
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,840
I think he'll hit his three. I think he'll probably

955
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,199
shoot forty five percent in the Summer League and get smoked.

956
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:11,599
Speaker 2: He's just on exhibit ten, right, Yeah.

957
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: It's not Yeah, but we drove we you know, we

958
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:15,039
go deep.

959
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm room for him all day. Of course.

960
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,360
I want him to get that complete, full standard contract.

961
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: Can I just say I actually like Politis, Like I know,

962
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:23,719
it's like.

963
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 4: A we all love. Yeah, we're in good coaching, man.

964
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: I I don't know. I kind of think it's cool

965
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,440
to just have a dude who just shoots the ship

966
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,480
out of the ball. That's nice. There's nothing, there's nothing allowed. Yeah,

967
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,559
win to Yale. Yeah it's a smart son of a bitch,

968
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:39,800
you know.

969
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:44,599
Speaker 1: So Yeah, just chewing tobacco right now. If you're not

970
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:53,519
able to watch the scream, just spit Yanik. Though we've done.

971
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,719
The issue for Yanik is his the pick and roll

972
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,599
defense seems a little rough. We talked about it last episode.

973
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:03,119
It doesn't that's kind of what I'm looking for in

974
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,280
the summer league from if that can help.

975
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 4: Do you think JVG being on the staff helps any

976
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,960
of these players that, like, if the biggest concerns are

977
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,639
defensive concerns, that they can like find some pathway towards

978
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,559
even a couple of minutes.

979
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:23,119
Speaker 3: Will he can't get out there for them? Listen, I

980
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:26,679
watched Jeff Gundy guard Lebron James at Team USA camp. Okay,

981
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,000
just saying that right now he might be able to

982
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,639
be like the fifth best perimeter defender on this team.

983
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: Who won the matchup?

984
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,599
Speaker 2: Please him, dude, Yeah, it.

985
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: Was right there.

986
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 3: Lebron was just sunned by JVG repeatedly.

987
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,119
Speaker 1: Just just the hard and slap, just slap time.

988
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: How do you think James got so good at it?

989
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if the rookies can benefit.

990
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,519
I think they can get good habits from it. But like,

991
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:03,480
jvg's not like a developmental coach like this Clippers team

992
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:05,480
isn't a team that like brought him off. No, and

993
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,679
I mean like we like guys.

994
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: The front office has already said these guys are not

995
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:11,239
going to get any playing time if you know we

996
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,320
bring in Bradley.

997
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: Be were I mean said Adam, Am I wrong or

998
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,559
am I right? That Lawrence Frank had like a weird

999
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,199
the young guy's got to play more than we signed

1000
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:24,159
a bunch of older guys.

1001
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: Well, we had the quote talking about having them up

1002
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,920
with the team more so they can practice with them,

1003
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,880
more so they can show more practice, even though there's

1004
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,679
not a lot of practices in today's NBA, but whichever

1005
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,239
ones they do have, they want those guys available.

1006
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,119
Speaker 3: My favorite part about that was Lawrence basically saying that

1007
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,920
in his day, the best way for a coach to

1008
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,840
see if a player was ready, if essentially was to

1009
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,920
just whip the ass of a veteran in front of

1010
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,639
them and practice. That's basically what he alluded to. And

1011
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,639
that's kind of funny because that's how it was, and

1012
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,880
I think it's different in this day age. But I

1013
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,920
don't mind the youngster's practicing more with the NBA team

1014
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,719
if it's gonna give them any chance of playing, because

1015
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,800
let's be realistic. What good is the G League gonna

1016
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,559
do Jordan Miller for another year? Absolutely nothing.

1017
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's gonna do for him.

1018
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: Why do I.

1019
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,559
Speaker 3: Because he needs reps because they have no spot to

1020
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,360
play him in the in the regular team right now?

1021
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: Yah?

1022
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 3: What do you do with that?

1023
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,679
Speaker 2: If he cooks were like cool, he cooked last Summer League,

1024
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,480
it doesn't mean now he's ready for the NBA. Unfortunately.

1025
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I wish he wasn't at summer League.

1026
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,119
I don't understand the Like, Okay, that sounds bad to say.

1027
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,840
I don't understand the point. I get it, he needs reps.

1028
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,679
Same with Kobe, I get it. I don't know what

1029
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,480
it does for them, That's what I don't know. Like,

1030
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,239
if I see them kill it on the ball, does

1031
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,960
that change anything? No, because they're not gonna be able

1032
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,480
to They're not going to handle the ball in an

1033
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:59,679
NBA setting with Kawhi Leonard and James Harden and John

1034
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,760
Call and potentially Bradley Beal on the team. It's not happening.

1035
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,159
So it is. It's like February fourth on the road

1036
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,920
on a back to back in Boston and nine people

1037
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,320
are sitting. Then that's about it. But you're not seeing that.

1038
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,199
So and how much of the little things do you

1039
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,320
need to see? Because they've raved about the little things

1040
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,880
that these guys do. So if they've already done the

1041
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,320
little things and you need to see them get more

1042
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,440
on ball reps. But they're not gonna get on ball reps,

1043
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,400
So what's the point. I don't know. I think it's

1044
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,679
also like there's a point of diminishing returns with summer

1045
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,920
league for thirty year guys, especially when they especially when

1046
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,320
they look great last year, Like why would they have

1047
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,480
to be back? There are some guys in Summer league

1048
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,119
this year. I'm like, why are they there.

1049
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: On a summer league roster this year?

1050
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:50,079
Speaker 3: Khalail Ware is in Summer League from Miami, and I

1051
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:54,679
get why. Yes, I understand he was at the California

1052
00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:01,400
Classic or whatever. I understand why he's there, but it

1053
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,519
doesn't make sense when you factor in that, like the

1054
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,039
things he's doing there are the same thing he did

1055
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,559
at the NBA level, so he's not working on anything new.

1056
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,639
He's not ball handling for them at a summer league level.

1057
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,519
Because the one thing I go back to, and I'm

1058
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,199
sorry this is taken a while, but like Keegan Murray's

1059
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:20,480
second year in the league, he went to Summer league

1060
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:23,719
in the California Classic for the Kings, but they had

1061
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,519
him work on ball handling and point of attack defense,

1062
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,559
so he did a lot of it. He killed it

1063
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,039
for them in the California Classic. They shut him down.

1064
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,079
He didn't even do Vegas. But I talked to him

1065
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,119
in Vegas about it when he was there for Select

1066
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:39,719
Team USA Select Camp ahead of the World Cup that year,

1067
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,800
and he talked about how that was the plan is

1068
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,079
he goes to the California Class, he works on these

1069
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,960
specific things, and then once they saw it, that was

1070
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:50,800
it and that's all they needed to see. But like,

1071
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,519
if you're not sending a guy to Summer league and

1072
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,000
having them do those things, I don't understand the point

1073
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,639
of it. So that's where that's like where the disconnect

1074
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:58,039
is for me.

1075
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 4: But isn't the Summer League champione like the thinking Man's

1076
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,039
Larryo by.

1077
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: Some people? Some people say the most valuable trophy you

1078
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,280
can win in Vegas?

1079
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: You know, hey, it's about they go and just don't.

1080
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:22,039
Speaker 2: Miller and Kobe just not play that much, Like they're

1081
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,440
just there to help the young guys go through it.

1082
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,159
I'm not saying they're not playing. What if they're not

1083
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:33,000
playing that much, they're.

1084
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,199
Speaker 3: The Crisp Paul of Summer League clip Clippers. The forty

1085
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,960
year old's just running through everybody.

1086
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: Would that should mean Chris Paul's real farewell tour, play

1087
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,880
in Summer League, playing the Cup, you know, hopefully playing

1088
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:44,840
in the finals.

1089
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: I just more passive out there. They're just being connectors

1090
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,880
and trying to make the other guys comfortable. You know,

1091
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:53,559
they're not taking the high usage of my NBA.

1092
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: I I like that idea.

1093
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,039
Speaker 3: My NBA hoop idea that I've had for years is

1094
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:02,639
I think each NBA team, she'd have to designate one

1095
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,559
all Star player or what you would classify potentially as

1096
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:10,760
an All Star player to go to Summer League for

1097
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,440
two games and just let them beat the ship out

1098
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,280
of everyone. I want to see that.

1099
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 4: I'd be proud if not, if like there was zero

1100
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:19,800
injury risk, which made that's fair.

1101
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: Only concern.

1102
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: Risk.

1103
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: Could could you imagine Lebron like peak Lebron in Summer League,

1104
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,960
like just going against like day Kwon Cook or someone

1105
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840
and just just running right there.

1106
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: It would probably look like when peak Lebron was in

1107
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,599
the NBA is what it would probably look like, but.

1108
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: Like so much better peak Lebron versus the nineties.

1109
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,719
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, oh oh no, we're not that's also

1110
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:50,320
all right.

1111
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,119
Speaker 4: Now, the conversation.

1112
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: No, someone brought up in the chat. Uh, what's going

1113
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,760
is a mere coffee coming back to the Clippers?

1114
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,639
Speaker 2: Or is that.

1115
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: Null and void with the John Cotton Like the need

1116
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,119
isn't really there anymore? Kind of ish.

1117
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:11,679
Speaker 3: I'm sure things could change, but I'm sure things could change.

1118
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:13,440
But I've heard from even before the summer that he

1119
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,519
was not coming back, well, I.

1120
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,719
Speaker 2: Mean an unspoken message when he didn't play at all

1121
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,280
in that playoff series and towards the end of the season.

1122
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:30,239
Speaker 3: I just think that they had prioritized other needs. And obviously,

1123
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,960
as we've seen, they've gone out and done that. And

1124
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,360
I think they're more than happy to let him go

1125
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,960
get his money elsewhere. And that's what I've been told

1126
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,440
from even before free agency. And I mean, I also

1127
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:44,639
think it's just a really slow free agent market in general,

1128
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:48,519
Like this has been bleak outside of but.

1129
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: I was told, I was told by reputable sources this

1130
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:56,119
was going to be the craziest free agency ever. I

1131
01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:56,800
stayed awake.

1132
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,519
Speaker 2: It was all a sham.

1133
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:05,519
Speaker 1: Suck Adams been on fire this chat. You see what

1134
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,239
happens when his internet works, folks.

1135
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Adam, let's talk about your internet for a second.

1136
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:12,719
You have like three hamsters in a wheel somewhere. They're

1137
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:13,719
just working overtime.

1138
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:18,119
Speaker 2: Remember that old Lance Armstrong Sports Center commercial where they

1139
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:21,079
just found him keeping the energy on. Yeah, well we

1140
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:22,199
knew he was a scumbag.

1141
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,639
Speaker 1: Hey, okay, we'll get into the Lance Armstrong talk on

1142
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:26,519
the Patreon too.

1143
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 4: This is my s You were talking about doping and.

1144
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: You really want to talk about does anyone We're gonna

1145
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,039
wrap this up justin thank you so much for coming on.

1146
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad I could crash it.

1147
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: You didn't crash it all.

1148
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,599
Speaker 2: Start blowing up my phone. You guys are doing this,

1149
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:45,599
gibb me I did.

1150
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,159
Speaker 3: I literally text him. I was like, oh you and

1151
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:50,000
Chuck are live. I was like, where the where the

1152
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:50,960
hell was my advite?

1153
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,079
Speaker 1: Just okay, chop liver over here.

1154
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: You know, whoa, whoa.

1155
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,559
Speaker 1: We'll add another road to the sheet. We'll put you

1156
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:03,519
on the list. We're crashing Google sheets at this point.

1157
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:08,000
Clippers have a Summer League game the eleventh, which would

1158
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,960
be very fun. Uh justin Rousseau final thoughts. Oh we

1159
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:14,960
got a block.

1160
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:15,719
Speaker 3: That's not good.

1161
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:20,679
Speaker 1: I just got blocked. Someone got blocked. Uh justin Rousseau.

1162
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,360
Your final thoughts on the Clipper. How the Clippers look

1163
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,000
right now, because right after we end this pod, they

1164
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,079
will train for Bradley Beal and we will all have

1165
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:35,559
to assemble, not trade for him. Yeah, Sie Bradley Beal. Hey,

1166
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,119
what your final thoughts on the John the new look Clippers.

1167
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: I think it's fine. I think they're actually rather interesting

1168
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,440
going into the year. Obviously they have like a hole

1169
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:48,840
at the two guard spot right now, but I don't

1170
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,960
think it's the end of the world and none of

1171
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:55,960
none of Like, trading Norm was not unexpected, it was

1172
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,719
I think it took a little bit longer. I know

1173
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,280
it's crazy to say a week into free agency, but like,

1174
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:04,000
it took a little bit longer than I think people thought.

1175
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,519
But once you saw John Collins player option got picked up,

1176
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,039
you had to have known John Collins was getting traded

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01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:13,480
in them from there, it wasn't that hard to fathom

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that this was something that could happen and that they

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needed to possibly pivot from Norm. Not because of anything

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Norm did. Is just the way of the world. Their their.

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Speaker 1: Fault.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, their roster composition is rather fascinating. I will

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just go on record and saying I don't like the

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potential Bradley beal fit I. I I think it could work.

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I'm just not a major fan of it, but but

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I understand the pathway why they would do it and

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the opportunity that they would have to pick up a

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player of his ilk for nothing, essentially.

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Speaker 2: High ceiling swing will a risk, high reward.

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Speaker 3: It can be. I mean it could. It could go

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pretty sideways rather quickly too. It's a weird team. Well,

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you never know. Let's just be realistic here. We've seen

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some things, sir, with with something. It's about who people

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want it to be about. I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: It's this is about k Jones.

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Speaker 3: Dude, very nice guy. By the way, I have nothing

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all right, It's it's just it's an old team. And

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and look, there's two ways to look at this. Old

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teams can be good because there's a lot of veteran

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know how, there's a lot of experience, they've been through everything.

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Old teams can also struggle just because they're more likely

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to get injured. Maybe guys don't accept lesser roles because

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of ego, which is more than fair. So there's all

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these factors. But what I will tell people who've wanted

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the Clippers for a while. To get younger is in

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the current aspect and iteration of this Clippers organization and

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the way they've been doing things and the assets that

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they do or don't have. You could either be young

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and bad or old and good, and they've gone the

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old and good route, which I don't think is the

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bad as the bad call. So that's kind of my

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viewpoint on everything. Are they Are they a Tier one

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title contender? No? Are they a Tier two below that? Sure?

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But I think their whole thing is let's just keep

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if you keep our If they were able to keep

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themselves in that level of at least giving themselves a

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chance at the conversation, they have to keep doing it,

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and I don't fault them for that. They haven't had anything. Yes,

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I think right now that the fourth best team in

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the West.

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Speaker 4: That's all I needed to hear. That's all I need.

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Speaker 1: Counterpoint. Also, this might be there here.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard, but the Olympics are

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consued into it, and so is basketball.

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Speaker 1: There maybe when all those those are going to go

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off without a hitch.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look when those athletes roll into into it, doome

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for that gold medal game? They look up at a

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Clippers championship banner. You're gonna remember this conversation, Chuck.

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I hope I do up will Okay, you're getting

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darkly prophetic with some of these these tape. We're getting

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very nihilistic with some of these. Uh will? Where can

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people since we are putting this out on audio, where

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can people find and maybe review us if they'd like to?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can check out the audio version of this

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show wherever you get your podcast. If you have to

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listen over on app podcast or Spotify, you can leave

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01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,960
a little rating or review. You can leave comments over

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there on Spotify. But if you want to get in

1241
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,599
on these lives, get in the chat, mix it up,

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you want to check us out or on YouTube dot

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01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:13,400
com that's at Clippers Podcast. Please subscribe if you haven't already,

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,800
hit the little notification so you know when we're doing stuff.

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But you know, however, listen whoever you watch.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you, We very much do. Adam Osland, you

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01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:26,519
have the hardest job on this whole pod. One positive

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thing for these Clippers fans before we head into the

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week of the first Summer League game.

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Speaker 2: For the Clippers, the positive here. Well, if it doesn't

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work out with John Collins, you have no one to

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blame about yourselves this time first or responsibility and accountability.

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Speaker 4: How many receipts do you have bookmarks? Right now?

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Speaker 1: Adam? I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: So from justice conversation and you said I was nihilistic,

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I did.

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Speaker 1: I stand by it.

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Speaker 2: The collective GMing that was done today by Clipper Nation

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to speaking into existence with John Collins has happened. But

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I will say to Justin's point of yeah, it's cool

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getting younger, but you know what's even better getting better,

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And sometimes that means you have to be a little

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bit of an older team, and the Clippers are. But

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they brought in a guy who's gonna be twenty eight

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all this season with all that athleticism. So I'm excited

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about it. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: He's excited about it?

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Speaker 3: Is he the third youngest player on the team? Well, fourth, fourth,

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it's like him roster, Yeah, it's like him, Yannick, Jordan

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and Kobe right, those are like the four youngest guys.

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Chuck just took it. Chuck just took the biggest gulf

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as he realized.

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Speaker 1: That Kobe's like thirty four right.

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Speaker 2: I mean brook low Pez is a spring chicken. What

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are we talking about here?

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Speaker 3: You think Brooks lifetime supply to Disney is just going

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to get the whole team into like the matterhorn.

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Speaker 1: No, we need to stay away from rides. All right,

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we're ending the stream. We're gonna talk more about the

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rides on the Patreon. Thank you for hanging out again.

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If you want to watch us, check us out at

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YouTube dot com. Slash at Clippers podcast. Thank you to

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Justin Rousseau. Find him on substeck, find him on Twitter.

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:29,000
He makes wonderful content for Clippers fans and WNBA fans. Okay,

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he's trying to argue, agains himself. We have to get

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,680
out of here. Uh, Kobe Brown is not thirty four.

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For the person in the chat asking that we will

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talk to you all soon. Goodbye,