Speaker 1: The allure of the limelight can at times be irresistible.
Speaker 1: Some people strive their whole lives to achieve a moment
Speaker 1: in the spotlight, and very few ever managed to make
Speaker 1: it happen. For those who can't make the cut, it's
Speaker 1: inevitable that a new life will take over, whether we
Speaker 1: want it to or not. Sometimes it can still involve
Speaker 1: what you're passionate about. Maybe you'll find yourself teaching the
Speaker 1: new future stars or finding another way to pay your bills.
Speaker 1: Our subject today was forced to find a new path
Speaker 1: away from her dreams of being a pop star. But
Speaker 1: somehow that path took her to black magic and witchcraft,
Speaker 1: and it all made her dreams of being famous and
Speaker 1: known by all a complete and tragic reality. Warning the
Speaker 1: following podcast material intended more mature audience listeners. There turned
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Speaker 2: My name is Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening
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Speaker 1: True crime podcast. Why did you? Why did you kickle
Speaker 1: at me?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought we would redo that, but
Speaker 2: apparently we're not.
Speaker 1: You don't want to do you want to redo that?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to just let people know that
Speaker 1: I just turned your microphone on. Let's do it, because
Speaker 1: that's what it was, your microphone.
Speaker 2: You were about to mute me this whole whole episode.
Speaker 1: Well, the whole new intro is throwing me for a
Speaker 1: loop a little bit with the audio systems. I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta get used to that.
Speaker 2: But people are liking that. I think it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: It's a fun way to actually like introduce the whole
Speaker 1: the whole episode in a little bit of a drawing
Speaker 1: type way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like it. I it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's actually fun to write them too.
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Speaker 1: Sure one. What is really fun though? What our patrons?
Speaker 2: Ooh yes they are.
Speaker 1: So we got one patron to thank this week. So
Speaker 1: today it's all about Tracy Hanks.
Speaker 2: Tracy, You're freaking awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Tracy for signing up over on Patreon.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the absolute shit out of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah we do. You're wicked as fuck, wickedly awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we had a big celebration on the weekend. We
Speaker 2: did tell us it, tell them all about it. We
Speaker 2: had our twelve year wedding anniversary whoop, whoop, holy heck.
Speaker 2: And then we've also been together like seventeen years, so
Speaker 2: it was a big Yeah, that's a big.
Speaker 1: We've well you said you for sure, you've had people
Speaker 1: jokingly ask but still ask, have you were you a
Speaker 1: child bride? Because like we're not super old, we're pretty old,
Speaker 1: we're starting to get there. But to be married for
Speaker 1: twelve years and be thirty four, yeah I'm.
Speaker 2: Thirty three, give it a little bit. But well, yeah
Speaker 2: I was twenty one when we got married and you
Speaker 2: were twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just turned twenty two. So babies, basically little baby,
Speaker 1: you were a child bride, but by volunteering, not an
Speaker 1: arranged marriage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah that's what that's what we say.
Speaker 1: So we went out and we did photo shoots. We
Speaker 1: had breakfast, we had lunch, and we had dinner, didn't
Speaker 1: we or No, The breakfast was coffee and then we
Speaker 1: went for brunch and then we were dinner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we did. And we also we also
Speaker 2: had Starbucks to at one point like we just like
Speaker 2: lived our best lives.
Speaker 1: We did. It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: Had a photo shoot one for a walk. Oh and
Speaker 2: I also forgot about this. So Ben's neck has just
Speaker 2: been like fucked, Like yes, fucked is like an understate.
Speaker 1: Which is actually why the episode is delayed one day
Speaker 1: because I was having serious issues, like researching on a computer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was it was hurting you.
Speaker 1: But I went to physio today, so that's good. I
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better.
Speaker 2: So anyway, for his anniversary present, I took him to
Speaker 2: Sleep Country and we got you a really good pillow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the pillow was by one get one
Speaker 1: fifty percent, So I got you a pillow for your
Speaker 1: anniversary gift too.
Speaker 2: So we basically are oldest in because we got each
Speaker 2: other ergonomical ergonomical ergonomical pillows for our anniversary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we old as fuck. Happy anniversary. Here's a pillow.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I god thought it was like pretty
Speaker 2: much the most comical shit I've ever It's like.
Speaker 1: Those scenes out of a comedy movie where it's like here,
Speaker 1: I got you this. Oh my god, I got you
Speaker 1: the same thing. That's basically what happened. So yeah, except
Speaker 1: we are both there when we bought the pillows and yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still it applies.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like this is so sounding old, but
Speaker 2: it's like in all reality, like you're sleeping, you sleep
Speaker 2: a lot, and like your mattress and your pillows and
Speaker 2: stuff should be the shit. Yeah, I really should.
Speaker 1: My pillow has been for the last like thirty years.
Speaker 1: Shit not the shit.
Speaker 2: It hasn't. You haven't had one pillow for thirty years.
Speaker 1: But it's like no, but I've just had shit pill Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've tried to buy you new ones and then, like
Speaker 2: buying someone a pillow without them there is hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so got a good pillow now though. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I got to roll right back to Patreon here for
Speaker 1: a minute. I just realized because today's episode is actually
Speaker 1: selected by the lovely members over on Patreon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it really won I think, right,
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: I believe it was like forty percent above the rest
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: So nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah that case. You about to find out what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean I told you about it a little bit already,
Speaker 1: but you're about to find out a lot more. You
Speaker 1: ready for this?
Speaker 2: I think we're totally ready here.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I don't know if you're ready. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: I'm ready?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's dive into this. I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to say the name right of the get go. I'm
Speaker 1: going to burst the title of the whole thing. You
Speaker 1: can see it in the title of the actual like listening. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait a little bit, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: because we're going to start off with an individual by
Speaker 1: the name of Masna Ismail who was born on January first,
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six in Kangar, Malaysia.
Speaker 2: New Year's baby, yes.
Speaker 1: New Year's baby indeed. Now. She was a young girl who,
Speaker 1: like many others today, dreamed of making it big. You know,
Speaker 1: the lights, the stage, you name it. She was into dancing, singing,
Speaker 1: performing all the time. The whole while. While she was
Speaker 1: doing these things, and you know, doing her little I
Speaker 1: don't know, child star shows and stuff, she had a
Speaker 1: big smile on her face the entire time, plastered across
Speaker 1: her face, you know, through and through. She wanted to
Speaker 1: become a pop star, and she presented herself as such.
Speaker 2: Aw Like, I hope it was there because she was
Speaker 2: enjoying what she was doing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she did. She loved it so, but I
Speaker 1: mean that's still the persona right like smiles, stand up straight,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Yeah, no kidding, is that my
Speaker 1: chair squeaking or yours?
Speaker 2: It's definitely not me.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm moving too much. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys can hear it, but calm down, calm down into it, Okay. Anyways,
Speaker 1: She would later adopt a stage name as she continued
Speaker 1: to strive for stardom in her adult life. Her name
Speaker 1: would become Mona Fandy. It was a name she adopted
Speaker 1: out of the inspiration from her biggest fan, her husband,
Speaker 1: whose name was Mohammed nor A Fandy, So she kind
Speaker 1: of took that and took Mona out of it. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming like Mohammad became Mona and then of course a
Speaker 1: Fandy became fan.
Speaker 2: That's really cool.
Speaker 1: It is. It's almost like a Harry Potter thing with
Speaker 1: Lord Voldemort. You know, you don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean, but I've watched Harry Potter,
Speaker 2: so no one get mad at me. For the love
Speaker 2: of god, I do like Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: Mom, Marvolo, riddle you rearrange ith. Yeah, I am Lord Boldimore.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah see, I'm like, and now you're going to
Speaker 2: defend myself. I am into Harry Potter, but I'm not
Speaker 2: like as Avid as a fan of Like, that's that's
Speaker 2: totally fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, regardless though her name is now Mona Fandy. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: together the two did all they could to push her
Speaker 1: into the limelight. They even went as far as to
Speaker 1: open their own recording studio to get her in front
Speaker 1: of a microphone.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So it was their own money getting the recording studio
Speaker 1: with all the equipment, and they're in that studio. They
Speaker 1: produced herself sponsored album because they you know, paid for
Speaker 1: it and everything and titled Diana, and she after the
Speaker 1: album and everything, even made a few television appearances. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm going to give you guys a quick little
Speaker 1: moment to listen to a little bit of her singing.
Speaker 3: I want to know what you guys think, Nada.
Speaker 1: So for context, that's like nineteen eighty seven Malaysian pop music.
Speaker 1: So I'm not too sure if you're all brushed up
Speaker 1: on your nineteen eighty seven pop, you know, culture music stuff.
Speaker 1: But for me, I don't think that's half bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I thought it was good and honestly too, like,
Speaker 2: so good for them for like taking the bowl by
Speaker 2: the horns, because people aren't always going to be knocking
Speaker 2: on your doors, so you gotta go knock on theirs, right, exactly,
Speaker 2: Well done.
Speaker 1: You gotta pave your own path.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, so like that's awesome. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: did this.
Speaker 1: They took that initiative. They went out there and they
Speaker 1: produced these and like I said, because of this album,
Speaker 1: she even made a couple of TV appearances with her music.
Speaker 2: Awesome, absolutely awesome.
Speaker 1: Now, despite those TV and public appearances, the self published
Speaker 1: album didn't exactly push your career like she was hoping to,
Speaker 1: didn't put her in the limelight, and she didn't become
Speaker 1: well a pop star. It was obvious to Mona and
Speaker 1: her husband that she wasn't exactly going to make it big,
Speaker 1: especially anytime soon, and the idea of becoming a star
Speaker 1: didn't leave Mona's mind. However, was very much still a
Speaker 1: dream of hers now in the meantime, just because she
Speaker 1: had these aspirations and this dream and something that she
Speaker 1: wanted to pursue, it didn't exactly fit well for her
Speaker 1: to keep pursuing and that she had to go and
Speaker 1: find some other means of income. So the two of
Speaker 1: them did, and they did what any reasonable person would
Speaker 1: do in this whole situation. Black magic as a witch doctor.
Speaker 1: That was their backup plan.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you just like went there, I was like
Speaker 2: building up and the building up that was not what
Speaker 2: I expected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that was completely left field for me too
Speaker 1: while I was researching.
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, then it's kind of wild.
Speaker 1: I mean most people would be like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go see if I can find like a labor position
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe just like an office job where
Speaker 1: it can you know, type in data for a little bit,
Speaker 1: or who knows.
Speaker 2: What at a coffee shop something, yeah, something.
Speaker 1: Just in the meantime, it means some of those jobs
Speaker 1: pay well, So I mean hell yeah, yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: not what they did. They're like, you know what, fucking
Speaker 1: witch doctor. Okay, all right, let let's sure.
Speaker 2: I'm very aged to know how this goes down.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it seems odd. Obviously you can't make
Speaker 1: a living as like a singer pop star, So how
Speaker 1: do you think you can make a living as a
Speaker 1: black magic ritualistic can witch doctor? For people?
Speaker 2: They must have been into that kind of ad as well, right.
Speaker 1: They must have had something to initiate it. Yeah, get
Speaker 1: them in there.
Speaker 2: Like it's you don't just randomly decide that's what you're
Speaker 2: going to do.
Speaker 1: That's completely left field. Yeah, you're not like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love pop music, it's not working, satan. I guess that's
Speaker 1: not what happens, you know. No, so they must have
Speaker 1: had some sort of interest, like you say, to push
Speaker 1: them this way. So it's I mean, making a living
Speaker 1: doing these rituals. It's it's far fetched at best to
Speaker 1: think that you're going to just start pulling an income.
Speaker 1: But it actually worked, hm. They their new role doing
Speaker 1: spiritual rituals, healing provisions of talismans for money. One mona
Speaker 1: much more fame than she ever dreamed of.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: It brought her wealth, it brought status, fame, and of
Speaker 1: course materialistic things such as mansions and houses like they
Speaker 1: were living the good life of course really yeah, of
Speaker 1: course though, mind you like, she's not like in the
Speaker 1: limelight as she would as a pop star, not cover
Speaker 1: of magazines by any means.
Speaker 2: And doing autographs and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: Probably yeah, but she is definitely living the money life.
Speaker 2: So okay, well, I hope you're gonna elaborate on what
Speaker 2: exactly they're doing. May any of us want to? I'm
Speaker 2: just kidding. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: I do a little bit here, and I'll try and
Speaker 1: explain it as best as I can because it's pretty
Speaker 1: vague on the exact type of stuff that they were doing. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I do go over some of it, so we'll
Speaker 1: touch on it here in a moment. Uh what actually
Speaker 1: by touch on it right here? Perfect? Okay. So basically
Speaker 1: it was the elite country or the country's elitists were
Speaker 1: like knocking on her door to get in. They were
Speaker 1: the most wealthy businessmen and politicians who are looking for
Speaker 1: good fortune. Essentially, the more money they forked over to Mona,
Speaker 1: the more powerful spells and ceremonies she would say she
Speaker 1: would be performing, and the better fortune and spiritual healing
Speaker 1: they would receive. So essentially what they're saying is, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to perform ceremonies on you, rituals on you,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and get you good fortune, good healing,
Speaker 1: and push you farther in your career, gets you wealth,
Speaker 1: and get you status. And that's what these guys are after.
Speaker 1: They're after that power and that status, so they're forking
Speaker 1: out whatever cash they need to she could pretty much
Speaker 1: name her price.
Speaker 2: Wow, if only it was that easy, Ah, if only if.
Speaker 1: It was that easy, we might be offering that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff over on a Patreon for the smooth, smooth
Speaker 1: figure of ten thousand dollars per ten second phone call
Speaker 1: where we will give you. No, I'm just kidding my word.
Speaker 1: If like you say, if only.
Speaker 2: If only, I mean, if only, then I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of people would be doing a lot better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this whole time though, Mona is of course,
Speaker 1: just just laughing all the way to the bank. She's
Speaker 1: making She's making cash like crazy. Now, I do want
Speaker 1: to mention this here before I move on. There is
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with spiritualistic beliefs or performing such rituals. I
Speaker 1: don't want to throw shade at that. We're joking a
Speaker 1: little bit here, because the one thing that is wrong
Speaker 1: with it is taking advantage of people, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what Mona's doing. Yeah, she's just like, I want to
Speaker 1: make money. I want to become famous, and this is
Speaker 1: my path to do it. You know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: charge a shit ton of money. So that's where I
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. I mean, charge your crystals,
Speaker 1: look up at the stars. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Do your thing, do you? Yeah, that's totally cool.
Speaker 2: Well, because honestly, something just even like the power of
Speaker 2: believing in something. Oh, yeah, really does make it work, right,
Speaker 2: But and in my in my opinion, it's just it's
Speaker 2: mostly the power of you believing. But if you're doing
Speaker 2: it like kind of unfaithfully to gain yourself, that's maybe
Speaker 2: not the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And like a lot of like witchcraft or Wickan
Speaker 1: stuff or all this sort of black magic or whatever
Speaker 1: is not necessarily like I joked earlier, with like Satan, right,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily lining up with that, Like even Satanism
Speaker 1: isn't lined up with Satan. So it's it's a lot
Speaker 1: more like like you say, when you're taking advantage of it,
Speaker 1: or when you're going about it the wrong way, that's
Speaker 1: when it's it's not cool. And that's when it is
Speaker 1: really about like yourself, and it is about selfishness.
Speaker 2: And when you're doing it taking advantage and doing it
Speaker 2: to some of someone else exactly kind of thing, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And one man she did take advantage of was
Speaker 1: a politician by the name of Maslin. There we go,
Speaker 1: Maslin Idris. It's not certain who exactly approached who about
Speaker 1: their arrangement. I'm going to assume it's Maslan who did
Speaker 1: approach Mona about it. But regardless the result is the
Speaker 1: same Mona was selling some very specific talismans to them.
Speaker 1: There was two of them, to be particular. One was
Speaker 1: a cane and another was a traditional hat that was
Speaker 1: apparently previously warned by the President of Indonesia, a man
Speaker 1: whose name was Sukano. Now apparently there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff in the history of this guy as well, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be diving into that today. But the
Speaker 1: two items were sold to him for the very small
Speaker 1: price of two point five million Malaysian ringots, which was
Speaker 1: worth about six hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh ely shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the kind of stuff she is charging.
Speaker 2: And that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And you know, she's just like going down to the
Speaker 1: local flea market and some shit.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, but she put herself in that
Speaker 2: position to have people believing that she could help them too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maslin believed her because without a second thought he agreed.
Speaker 2: So she's doing something.
Speaker 1: She's doing something right, well not right, but she's doing
Speaker 1: something to make money. I don't know how to do.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she's swindling, is what she's doing.
Speaker 2: Because I'm just like, if you spent that money, I
Speaker 2: don't know, like educating yourself or like I have a
Speaker 2: campaign or something like, you would just get to where
Speaker 2: you want to be too, maybe better, easier, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, over a top hat and a cane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I feel like I'm spiraling here, but
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah.
Speaker 1: No, I know what you mean. Anyways, he paid one
Speaker 1: fifth of the cost up front, and the rest he
Speaker 1: had gave up some land as collateral as the remainder.
Speaker 1: Now what I think here is I don't think he
Speaker 1: could afford the full sum, and he's banking on here's
Speaker 1: what I can afford. Now here's my collateral. Once these
Speaker 1: talismans pay off and I am going far in my
Speaker 1: career and I'm getting money, then I'll pay the rest.
Speaker 1: I believe that's what his his math was going on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he clearly wanted to go far in his
Speaker 1: political career, and with these he was sure he was
Speaker 1: going to make it to the top. But of course
Speaker 1: he didn't. Mona clearly scammed him, and soon he would
Speaker 1: be wise to her false promises. Once you know, absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing changed, everything was the same. He's just shy of
Speaker 1: a shit ton of money. This is probably why he
Speaker 1: didn't follow through to pay her the rest of what
Speaker 1: he owned, because the land was up for collateral, right,
Speaker 1: so well, he'll probably end up being some land. But
Speaker 1: he still didn't even give her the land. It was
Speaker 1: just what he put up front and that was it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now he wasn't getting he wanted, and Mona wasn't getting
Speaker 1: what she wanted. Of course the money. Mona told him
Speaker 1: there were some issues preventing the talismans from working properly,
Speaker 1: and she made up some complete mumbo jumbo about needing
Speaker 1: to perform a cleansing type ritual with him so the
Speaker 1: magic could actually take effect with the talismans. Now reluctantly,
Speaker 1: Maslin agreed to take part. I'm pretty sure you can
Speaker 1: get your I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure you can't get
Speaker 1: your money back from black magic rituals. And he probably
Speaker 1: realized that there's no exact return policy on that sort
Speaker 1: of thing, so he probably thought to himself, will have
Speaker 1: gone this far, so why not just go through it
Speaker 1: and maybe it'll work and hope for the best. You
Speaker 1: know what if I got to lose Now, I'm not
Speaker 1: paying her any more money up front. She's saying she'll
Speaker 1: fix it, and then I'll be rich again, or famous again,
Speaker 1: or politically amazing again, and then I'll pay her. So
Speaker 1: what does he have to lose? Really? Right?
Speaker 2: I know, I was just gonna say that he doesn't
Speaker 2: have much to lose unless something crazy happens here. I'm worried.
Speaker 1: I'm something crazy happens here. I dun, dun. So they
Speaker 1: met up for another ritual on July one of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three. In the middle of the night, Maslin took off,
Speaker 1: not telling his wife, so he could meet Mona in
Speaker 1: the remote area of Kumpoun Prak at one of Mona's
Speaker 1: many houses.
Speaker 2: I already don't like this.
Speaker 1: He followed the road and turned off onto a dirt
Speaker 1: road and kept going through the forest up a hillside
Speaker 1: until he arrived at his destination, the small bungalow nestled
Speaker 1: within the woods. There. Inside the house, Mona and her
Speaker 1: husband Mohammed met him, and there was also their assistant,
Speaker 1: and they had set up an area for the ritual
Speaker 1: to be performed. Now, as he walked through the house,
Speaker 1: there's items. There's nick knacks all around, and things in
Speaker 1: jars and ingredients, lining shells. Very much witchcrafty type. Stuff
Speaker 1: much from what you'd expect of someone who would be
Speaker 1: living in a house and performs these sort of rituals. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: inside the home was also there was a construction of
Speaker 1: a slab that he was apparently told he needed to
Speaker 1: lay down on in the kitchen. Now that slab was
Speaker 1: dressed with flower petals as part of the ritual for quote,
Speaker 1: a flower bath. His instructions were to lay down on
Speaker 1: his back and close his eyes and wait for I
Speaker 1: quote money to fall from the sky. Now what's going
Speaker 1: to happen is as he lays there, they're kind of
Speaker 1: like dropping rose petals and flower petals upon him. Right,
Speaker 1: So he did his mona and and her husband told
Speaker 1: him to do, and they were dropping those petals on
Speaker 1: top of him in this flower bath, and he felt
Speaker 1: the petals hitting his body and his face as if
Speaker 1: it were the riches falling from the heavens. But then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there was a different feeling, the
Speaker 1: feeling of an axe chopping clean through his exposed neck.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yep, okay, yeah, I knew it was going
Speaker 2: to go somewhere, but I didn't know where it went.
Speaker 1: To axe in the.
Speaker 2: Neck, Oh my goodness, okay, you good, bruh. I could
Speaker 2: hardly listen to that. It's like the anticipation building from
Speaker 2: my body.
Speaker 1: I was just like losing it the moment I said
Speaker 1: the feeling of an axe. You moved away from your
Speaker 1: mighty and started cringing before I even said what happened?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, oh this poor person, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: So Maslin was quickly reported missing the next day, on
Speaker 1: July second, as this took place in July first in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, after there was a withdrawal of thirty
Speaker 1: thousand ringots, which was then about twelve thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: US dollars from a Kula Lumpar bank. Oh geez, which
Speaker 1: Kula Lamparp? Sorry, is the area, not the bank specifically,
Speaker 1: it's the area, okay. An important clue for the police
Speaker 1: as they knew where to start looking.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, the day after Maslin's slaying in
Speaker 1: cold Blood, Mona decided that a shopping spree was an order.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I started this podcast feeling and bringing
Speaker 2: bad for her. Yep, now I just h is it
Speaker 2: get worse? Well, no, it's it's just this one situation, okay, geez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she decided, Yeah, a shopping spree, unbelievable. She
Speaker 1: probably felt that the money was owed to her.
Speaker 2: Honestly, probably, Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it past her.
Speaker 1: So she went shopping and even bought herself a Mercedes
Speaker 1: Benz and splurged a little extra on herself because you know,
Speaker 1: she deserves it, and got a facelift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she deserves it, my ass, she deserves it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the day after slaying a dude, she goes
Speaker 1: withdraws a shit ton of money from his bank and
Speaker 1: goes in a shopping spree.
Speaker 2: And gets a facelift and a car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Mercedes.
Speaker 2: Wow, real winner right here we got.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Mona clearly had the fucking, the fucking hootspa.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: That's the hootspa.
Speaker 1: To believe she was gonna get away with it, honestly.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure she thought that she was totally
Speaker 2: getting away with this. And like you said, she thinks
Speaker 2: that that money was completely out to her. She probably
Speaker 2: doesn't think she did anything wrong. She didn't get all
Speaker 2: the money, so she took his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to go back a little bit
Speaker 1: here because you said that there's something for like believing
Speaker 1: in yourself.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I honestly think that she actually believed in her own
Speaker 1: abilities and chalked this whole like him dying up to
Speaker 1: bad karma like kind of thing for not listening to
Speaker 1: her in the place, like he pretty much did it
Speaker 1: to himself because he didn't pay her. So it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's bad ju ju on you then that that's my assumption.
Speaker 2: It makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she was literally caught up in her
Speaker 1: own sharade and she began to believe her own falsibilities.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean a lot of people in those
Speaker 2: kind of positions and stuff do, Yeah, they totally do.
Speaker 2: It's like I was just came to mind as like
Speaker 2: cult leaders and stuff, right, yeah, I mean how.
Speaker 1: Else do you explain like using the card the very
Speaker 1: next fucking day. She believed she can just get away
Speaker 1: with it. She believed that she was fucking magic. That's
Speaker 1: what I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, it didn't take long for a break to come
Speaker 1: in this case, and it doesn't come from anywhere you
Speaker 1: would actually guess or expect. On July twenty second, police
Speaker 1: ended up arresting a young man who was higher than
Speaker 1: a fucking kite wandering public streets. So a couple of
Speaker 1: foot patrol officers arrested him and brought him in. Very
Speaker 1: lucky that these foot patrol officers just happened to run
Speaker 1: into this individual, and this individual in question just so
Speaker 1: happened to be a twenty three year old man named
Speaker 1: Jarima who's sin Mona's assistant.
Speaker 2: Really yes, oh my goodness. Okay, So at.
Speaker 1: This point drama or dry me sorry, Jerimi is how
Speaker 1: he say his name. Was only facing a bit of
Speaker 1: jail time maybe at worst, you know, maybe a fine
Speaker 1: and slap on the wrist, and back in his way. Right,
Speaker 1: he's basically just high in public, so okay.
Speaker 2: I was just like, that's really all he's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, h okay. However, something had happened when
Speaker 1: he was arrested and they began questioning him regarding his
Speaker 1: inebriation before he was fully sober. He actually ended up
Speaker 1: implementing implication I can't talk today, implicating himself in the
Speaker 1: murder of Maslin.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: His statements were complete, jumbled for the record, they're rambling,
Speaker 1: incoherent at first, but the police were able to pick
Speaker 1: up some crucial pieces of information and most importantly a
Speaker 1: name Maslin Idris hm hm.
Speaker 2: So if you got a big juicy secret, don't get
Speaker 2: drunk or high or whatever and spill all your means.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just don't get high. You know that I'm
Speaker 1: drunk in public and you know, Yeah, substance abuse is
Speaker 1: bad kids, let's put it that way. It is, yep,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was basically he just started going off
Speaker 1: and confessing to the police about this shit.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was confessing to being involved in the disappearance,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous. And because of that, the police pressed
Speaker 1: forward and questioned him on the information, and he began
Speaker 1: telling them the wild tale of black magic and rituals.
Speaker 2: Whoa, Okay, I'm not gonna lie. I do actually really,
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying this. You're enjoying this, Like this is good?
Speaker 1: What specifically? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Well, it's just hilarious because the next morning or whatever,
Speaker 2: when this person is sober, like they're gonna just be
Speaker 2: like fuck yeah, like holy shit, and.
Speaker 1: This, like this whole case is just a shit show
Speaker 1: of just like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, and he also mentioned a name Mona Fandy.
Speaker 2: Really okay, went all out. Yeah, I just went to
Speaker 2: town here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he mentioned Mona Fandy. Oh you know that famous
Speaker 1: witch doctor. Yeah her, wow, the one that police already
Speaker 1: know who she is, because she's that famous witch doctor. Oh,
Speaker 1: the ones who just happens to own the bungalow down
Speaker 1: the dirt road that just so happens to be in
Speaker 1: the area where Maslin's credit card was used to make
Speaker 1: a large withdrawal holy day of his reported appearance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Mona wow.
Speaker 2: Because like, honestly, they might they probably would not have
Speaker 2: figured it out otherwise.
Speaker 1: Honestly, probably not.
Speaker 2: Because I just feel like she probably would have been
Speaker 2: very good at bring up her church steps.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, oh, we're going to talk about covering up
Speaker 1: the steps here in a minute. But that wasn't everything
Speaker 1: that Jarami said, though. He said even more. He claimed
Speaker 1: that the most crucial piece of evidence that the police
Speaker 1: needed lay waiting to be found at that bungalow. So
Speaker 1: him and the officers officer officers to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: officers went for a little drive. Mona and her husband
Speaker 1: were quickly, of course, arrested, and police went searching the
Speaker 1: house for a rickety little shed out back and sure enough,
Speaker 1: in this rickety little brick shed there was this evidence
Speaker 1: that Jerami was talking about. Detectives opened the building and
Speaker 1: inside they found a patch of newly poured concrete in
Speaker 1: the center of the floor.
Speaker 2: What yep, wow, Okay, my brain had gone somewhere. I
Speaker 2: thought they were going to like be dissecting this body
Speaker 2: or something using it for their their rafts stuff.
Speaker 1: No, no, not quite. There was there was a fresh tomb,
Speaker 1: if you will. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: Interesting though, because I don't know if that would be
Speaker 2: like a great way to hide a body. It seems
Speaker 2: kind of suspicious.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, only if you're looking for a body
Speaker 1: a nice cement floor in a shed, I guess why not? Sure,
Speaker 1: Either that's not a suspicious thing for me, or I
Speaker 1: know a lot of sheds that hold a lot of bodies.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Because a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people will pour a concrete pad and then build
Speaker 1: something on it. Right, it's a foundation, I guess.
Speaker 2: So I mean, wow, okay, yeah, okay, make.
Speaker 1: A floor in your shed, and then people aren't going
Speaker 1: to be the wiser, especially the older it.
Speaker 2: Gets, right, Holy heck huh Okay.
Speaker 1: So obviously a team was brought in to break open
Speaker 1: and search through the concrete. Through digging, they would eventually
Speaker 1: find remains six feet down into the dirt. Sorry, approximately
Speaker 1: six feet down to the dirt. It was, of course Maslin.
Speaker 1: His remains were decomposed and he was chopped up into
Speaker 1: eighteen different pieces.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: The whole of course reeked of decay.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: But it also contained more than his remains. It also
Speaker 1: included things like an axe, knives, other tools and items
Speaker 1: that were used and found from the murder scene.
Speaker 2: Why the heck did they chop him up into so
Speaker 2: many pieces?
Speaker 1: Probably for easy disposable you know, carrying out to the
Speaker 1: backyard or something like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, or.
Speaker 1: As you say, it could be some other ceremonial things
Speaker 1: that they were after.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was like they might be using his
Speaker 2: body for things.
Speaker 1: I should also say, actually that in the Corner's notes
Speaker 1: it was mentioned that the body appeared to have been
Speaker 1: partially skinned, which also plays into the whole witchcraft ceremonial things.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like, okay, if there is a bunch of
Speaker 2: jars and stuff in there, don't you picture one of
Speaker 2: the jars to be like pieces of skin?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Probably one in a mason jar seal that shit.
Speaker 1: Up eyeballs and shit, oh yeah, Newts, I have Newt
Speaker 1: puppy dog's tails.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Which that honestly just shows me that the whole her
Speaker 1: believing her own bullshit thing is extremely true because behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, guess what they're doing. They're not putting on
Speaker 1: a show to anyone. They have a dead body and
Speaker 1: they are dissecting it, skinning it. So they're doing this
Speaker 1: for their own amusement or their own rituals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm I think rituals. I'm going with that.
Speaker 1: Well, rituals are not though. It's the one thing that
Speaker 1: really gets me is they tried to cover their tracks,
Speaker 1: and honestly, like I mean, they kind of did a
Speaker 1: good job of it, Like I think they could have
Speaker 1: like well, you even said they probably would have gotten
Speaker 1: away with it.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you're covering your tracks of something,
Speaker 2: then you know you did something wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, other than like you know, the the credit card
Speaker 1: thing and having a fucking witness at the scene, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking a for effort, I guess.
Speaker 2: But they really trusted this assistant.
Speaker 1: Oh did they ever? Especially if they know that he's
Speaker 1: getting high and wandering the fucking streets. Yeah, everything, they
Speaker 1: didn't know. He's getting caught by the comps and spilling
Speaker 1: the beans.
Speaker 2: No kidding, spilling the beans. Yeah, that's what he did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he like he is going to be in trouble too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well he was actually the one who struck the blow.
Speaker 1: He was the one who had the axe.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, seriously. Yes, so they even made someone
Speaker 2: else do this the dirty work completely.
Speaker 1: Yes, now I should clarify though I don't have that
Speaker 1: written in my notes. I remember reading, but I can't
Speaker 1: remember the resource for that, so I could be wrong
Speaker 1: on that particular piece.
Speaker 2: But it makes sense. I bet you they would totally
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was the one with the acts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, moving on to their trial, Mona Mohammed and Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Drymy were tried before the judge his name was Dat
Speaker 1: took Macartar sid In. I believe, I really hope I
Speaker 1: said that right. In nineteen ninety five, they were all
Speaker 1: charged with murder under section three zero two of the
Speaker 1: Malaysian Penalty Code, a crime which carries a mandatory death sentence. Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: mandatory good. So if found guilty, mandatory death.
Speaker 2: Sentence well, yeah, they took someone else's life quite easily here.
Speaker 1: Now, the trial was a absolute media sensation. A famous
Speaker 1: witch doctor and her beloved husband in their late thirties
Speaker 1: accused of a gruesome voodoo related murder. The entire time
Speaker 1: while going to court, Mona wore expensive outfits each day, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh my gosh, she was using this.
Speaker 1: Yep, she was looking her absolute best, thrived in the
Speaker 1: media attention, and she continued her own ritual that she
Speaker 1: had since she was a kid, of always keeping that
Speaker 1: beautiful show stopping smile on her face.
Speaker 2: Disgusting.
Speaker 1: She loved every bit of attention that she was getting, which,
Speaker 1: like you just said, disgusting.
Speaker 2: So like she just literally wanted to be in the
Speaker 2: limelight and she didn't give a shit how or how
Speaker 2: she was there really exactly. That is so gross. Like
Speaker 2: I am so disgusted right now. Oh tell me, I
Speaker 2: was going to eat an English muffin after this. Now
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I want to.
Speaker 1: That is so oddly specific. I was gonna eat an
Speaker 1: English muffin, But now this bitch can fuck off.
Speaker 2: Yeah now I'm just like not hungry anymore, all right, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I can top that.
Speaker 1: Well. The case lasted sixty five English muffinless days and
Speaker 1: heard evidence from seventy six different witnesses. The prosecution told
Speaker 1: the court that money was a clear motivation for the
Speaker 1: murder and pointed to the shopping spree, you know, having
Speaker 1: a big old facelift and a brand new Mercedes Bins.
Speaker 1: Jerimi also testified against Mona and Fandi, who's sorry, I
Speaker 1: have his last name there, Mohammed so Mona and Mohammed
Speaker 1: and revealed the gruesome details of the murder as he
Speaker 1: was there himself.
Speaker 2: And sorry just to clarify something too, so like witnesses
Speaker 2: and stuff, I imagine it's other people that were, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you call them, clients of hers.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't find exactly who these witnesses were, but.
Speaker 2: For that many, I feel like some of them are
Speaker 2: probably that hey, because there wasn't like any many witnesses
Speaker 2: of the crime or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to assume it's a lot of people
Speaker 1: business related, you know, who can attest to specifically, since
Speaker 1: the motivation is money, motivate like for spending how much
Speaker 1: she charged people living the lavish life with her, and
Speaker 1: witnessing that sort of stuff, witnessing her business, what she
Speaker 1: would do and perform at rituals, So I would assume that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are probably going to be clients.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now, the only defense from Mona and Mohammad was
Speaker 1: that he owed them money for the rituals and the
Speaker 1: talismans they provided. That's basically the some of their defense.
Speaker 2: Well he owed us money, Wow, because that justifies it
Speaker 2: completely apparently in their mind, I guess. And they didn't
Speaker 2: buy the sounds of it too. They didn't even need
Speaker 2: the money, right, No, they didn't, So that just doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense.
Speaker 1: No, So, yeah, they pieces of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it only took seven jury members just seventy minutes
Speaker 1: to reach a unanimous verdict of guilty against all three defendants. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mohammed and Mona smiled when the foreman of the jury
Speaker 1: delivered the verdict on the ninth of February nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: Why ugh, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, because they fucked up. The judge then passed the
Speaker 1: death sentence on each of them. He said that they
Speaker 1: would be taken from the court to a recognized facility
Speaker 1: aka at prison and later be hanged until they were dead.
Speaker 1: After hearing her sentence, Mona said this, I am happy
Speaker 1: and thank you to all Malaysians.
Speaker 2: Really hey, like by getting this guilty, they would have
Speaker 2: known that they were basically going to die. But it
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have bothered them at all.
Speaker 1: No. Right here, it says like after her sentence, not
Speaker 1: after the verdict, after sentence, after you will be hanged.
Speaker 2: We'll be here. He says that now she literally is
Speaker 2: going to be famous, like she's famous forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what she wanted. She was photographed smiling
Speaker 1: as she was led from the courtroom to prison. There's
Speaker 1: an infamous photo. You look it up, and she is
Speaker 1: a big shit eating grim.
Speaker 2: I see this.
Speaker 1: You don't want to.
Speaker 2: I need I'm going to. I'm going to look at
Speaker 2: it while I'm eating my English mother.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, that'll be one hell of an
Speaker 1: English moff. And I guess now. Of course, all attempts
Speaker 1: for appeal were dismissed, all three attempts from each individual,
Speaker 1: and on Friday the second on November of November sorry
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, in a Kanjang a Kajang prison.
Speaker 1: Before dawn, the trio were each handcuffed and hooded in
Speaker 1: their holding cells adjacent to the execution chamber, and then
Speaker 1: led to the gallows with their three British style nooses
Speaker 1: dangling from a big old metal beam.
Speaker 2: Oh yikes, yikes.
Speaker 1: There they were hanged, and they were left to hang
Speaker 1: for an hour before being pronounced dead. A prison official
Speaker 1: said the trio expressed no remorse at the pre dawn execution.
Speaker 2: M So it's almost like they just accepted it and
Speaker 2: they were fine with that.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, it's like that that's what they fucking wanted.
Speaker 1: They wanted the limelight, they wanted the stardom, they wanted
Speaker 1: the infamy, which it kind of sucks to talk about
Speaker 1: this case in that sense now, Yeah, but also in
Speaker 1: that it's like, fuck, you guys. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about it, and we're going to talk about how
Speaker 1: much you guys fucking suck and your big pieces of shit.
Speaker 2: And no kidding. Yeah, I'm just like, it's because I
Speaker 2: imagine like a lot of people in that moment though,
Speaker 2: were just like terrified and oh my gosh, like trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how they could like possibly a last
Speaker 2: minute get out of this, but they just didn't just
Speaker 2: mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, the one nice thing to sum this all up.
Speaker 1: After the executions, Maslin's widow, Dateene Farida uh told reporters
Speaker 1: that she could finally bury the past, which is.
Speaker 2: Like, which is awesome good. I mean because she's like
Speaker 2: the main victim here in a sense, because she has
Speaker 2: to continue her life and know what happened to her
Speaker 2: husband and why he was doing this, and because he
Speaker 2: wanted to be successful, and I probably imagine he probably
Speaker 2: wanted to be successful like for her and everything. Right,
Speaker 2: So that's like a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be something that I'm sure she'll
Speaker 1: be thinking about for a long long time to come.
Speaker 1: So that is the story about this fucking bitch mona
Speaker 1: fandy and her fucking husband and assistant pieces of shit.
Speaker 2: No kidding. I did not expect this story to go
Speaker 2: that way. No, I mean when you first started, I
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, this is interesting, But now I like,
Speaker 2: literally do not like this woman whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's very relatable at the beginning, you know, a young
Speaker 1: girl who dreams of stardom and be on the stage
Speaker 1: and doing what she can to get there and working hard.
Speaker 1: But then it just.
Speaker 2: It becomes very unrelatable.
Speaker 1: And very dark and very twisted. But it also makes
Speaker 1: me think, like how long did she have this in her?
Speaker 1: Was that smiling at a young age, really innocent wanting
Speaker 1: to be a pop star or was that just something
Speaker 1: sinister right out of the gate.
Speaker 2: Could be Actually I never thought about it like that. Eh,
Speaker 2: Like this she was just like a murderer in the works.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the whole pop star thing was just like
Speaker 1: a mask, like a facade, and then you know she
Speaker 1: couldn't that facade wasn't getting her anywhere. And then when
Speaker 1: she went to the witch doctor black magic thing, she
Speaker 1: peeled away the mask and it was just who she
Speaker 1: really was, this creepy, fucking, vile human being.
Speaker 2: Like what a disturbing story because, like we said too,
Speaker 2: like she would have had interest in that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just don't all of a sudden. I think one
Speaker 2: day like fail at one thing and like go to
Speaker 2: something else and not have had an interest in it.
Speaker 1: Well kind of, I mean to be fair. I mean myself,
Speaker 1: like I'm undiagnosed, but we pretty much are certain I
Speaker 1: have ADHD, right, And the thing for me that I
Speaker 1: really get going is hyperfixation. I find something that piques
Speaker 1: me interest, I dive into it headlong, headlong, So it
Speaker 1: might not be something if I guess anything like that.
Speaker 1: She could just have one day heard it from a
Speaker 1: friend and then started reading about it and then it
Speaker 1: just really piqued her interest and she should do this.
Speaker 2: I really think that you make all this money from
Speaker 2: it though. Wow, huh that's a wild story. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 2: well done, It's.
Speaker 1: A crazy one. Patrons are good at selecting those good ones.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, they are well. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: them too had never heard heard this story covered by anyone,
Speaker 2: so that's why it was a big interest in right.
Speaker 1: And it's a roller coaster. So I hope that you
Speaker 1: guys enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my head's spinning.
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