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<v Speaker 1>The allure of the limelight can at times be irresistible.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people strive their whole lives to achieve a moment

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<v Speaker 1>in the spotlight, and very few ever managed to make

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<v Speaker 1>it happen. For those who can't make the cut, it's

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<v Speaker 1>inevitable that a new life will take over, whether we

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<v Speaker 1>want it to or not. Sometimes it can still involve

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<v Speaker 1>what you're passionate about. Maybe you'll find yourself teaching the

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<v Speaker 1>new future stars or finding another way to pay your bills.

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<v Speaker 1>Our subject today was forced to find a new path

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<v Speaker 1>away from her dreams of being a pop star. But

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<v Speaker 1>somehow that path took her to black magic and witchcraft,

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<v Speaker 1>and it all made her dreams of being famous and

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<v Speaker 1>known by all a complete and tragic reality. Warning the

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<v Speaker 1>following podcast material intended more mature audience listeners. There turned

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<v Speaker 1>you on?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast. Why did you? Why did you kickle

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<v Speaker 1>at me?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I thought we would redo that, but

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<v Speaker 2>apparently we're not.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to do you want to redo that?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you want to just let people know that

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<v Speaker 1>I just turned your microphone on. Let's do it, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it was, your microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>You were about to mute me this whole whole episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the whole new intro is throwing me for a

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<v Speaker 1>loop a little bit with the audio systems. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But people are liking that. I think it's kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fun way to actually like introduce the whole

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<v Speaker 1>the whole episode in a little bit of a drawing

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<v Speaker 1>type way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really like it. I it's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually fun to write them too.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure one. What is really fun though? What our patrons?

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh yes they are.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got one patron to thank this week. So

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<v Speaker 1>today it's all about Tracy Hanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy, You're freaking awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Tracy for signing up over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate the absolute shit out of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we do. You're wicked as fuck, wickedly awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had a big celebration on the weekend. We

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<v Speaker 2>did tell us it, tell them all about it. We

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<v Speaker 2>had our twelve year wedding anniversary whoop, whoop, holy heck.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we've also been together like seventeen years, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was a big Yeah, that's a big.

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<v Speaker 1>We've well you said you for sure, you've had people

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<v Speaker 1>jokingly ask but still ask, have you were you a

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<v Speaker 1>child bride? Because like we're not super old, we're pretty old,

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<v Speaker 1>we're starting to get there. But to be married for

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years and be thirty four, yeah I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty three, give it a little bit. But well, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>I was twenty one when we got married and you

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<v Speaker 2>were twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just turned twenty two. So babies, basically little baby,

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<v Speaker 1>you were a child bride, but by volunteering, not an

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<v Speaker 1>arranged marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah that's what that's what we say.

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<v Speaker 1>So we went out and we did photo shoots. We

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<v Speaker 1>had breakfast, we had lunch, and we had dinner, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>we or No, The breakfast was coffee and then we

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<v Speaker 1>went for brunch and then we were dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what we did. And we also we also

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<v Speaker 2>had Starbucks to at one point like we just like

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<v Speaker 2>lived our best lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We did. It was pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a photo shoot one for a walk. Oh and

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<v Speaker 2>I also forgot about this. So Ben's neck has just

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<v Speaker 2>been like fucked, Like yes, fucked is like an understate.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is actually why the episode is delayed one day

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<v Speaker 1>because I was having serious issues, like researching on a computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it was it was hurting you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I went to physio today, so that's good. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, for his anniversary present, I took him to

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<v Speaker 2>Sleep Country and we got you a really good pillow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then the pillow was by one get one

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent, So I got you a pillow for your

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary gift too.

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<v Speaker 2>So we basically are oldest in because we got each

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<v Speaker 2>other ergonomical ergonomical ergonomical pillows for our anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we old as fuck. Happy anniversary. Here's a pillow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I god thought it was like pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much the most comical shit I've ever It's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Those scenes out of a comedy movie where it's like here,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you this. Oh my god, I got you

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. That's basically what happened. So yeah, except

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<v Speaker 1>we are both there when we bought the pillows and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still it applies.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like this is so sounding old, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's like in all reality, like you're sleeping, you sleep

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, and like your mattress and your pillows and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff should be the shit. Yeah, I really should.

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<v Speaker 1>My pillow has been for the last like thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit not the shit.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't. You haven't had one pillow for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like no, but I've just had shit pill Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried to buy you new ones and then, like

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<v Speaker 2>buying someone a pillow without them there is hard. It's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so got a good pillow now though. Yeah. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to roll right back to Patreon here for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. I just realized because today's episode is actually

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<v Speaker 1>selected by the lovely members over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like it really won I think, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was like forty percent above the rest

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that case. You about to find out what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I told you about it a little bit already,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're about to find out a lot more. You

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<v Speaker 1>ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're totally ready here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I don't know if you're ready. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, let's dive into this. I'm not even going

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<v Speaker 1>to say the name right of the get go. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to burst the title of the whole thing. You

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<v Speaker 1>can see it in the title of the actual like listening. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to wait a little bit, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're going to start off with an individual by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Masna Ismail who was born on January first,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six in Kangar, Malaysia.

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<v Speaker 2>New Year's baby, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>New Year's baby indeed. Now. She was a young girl who,

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<v Speaker 1>like many others today, dreamed of making it big. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the lights, the stage, you name it. She was into dancing, singing,

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<v Speaker 1>performing all the time. The whole while. While she was

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<v Speaker 1>doing these things, and you know, doing her little I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, child star shows and stuff, she had a

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<v Speaker 1>big smile on her face the entire time, plastered across

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<v Speaker 1>her face, you know, through and through. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>become a pop star, and she presented herself as such.

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<v Speaker 2>Aw Like, I hope it was there because she was

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying what she was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she did. She loved it so, but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's still the persona right like smiles, stand up straight,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Yeah, no kidding, is that my

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<v Speaker 1>chair squeaking or yours?

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely not me.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm moving too much. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>guys can hear it, but calm down, calm down into it, Okay. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>She would later adopt a stage name as she continued

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<v Speaker 1>to strive for stardom in her adult life. Her name

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<v Speaker 1>would become Mona Fandy. It was a name she adopted

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<v Speaker 1>out of the inspiration from her biggest fan, her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>whose name was Mohammed nor A Fandy, So she kind

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<v Speaker 1>of took that and took Mona out of it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming like Mohammad became Mona and then of course a

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<v Speaker 1>Fandy became fan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It's almost like a Harry Potter thing with

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<v Speaker 1>Lord Voldemort. You know, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you mean, but I've watched Harry Potter,

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<v Speaker 2>so no one get mad at me. For the love

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<v Speaker 2>of god, I do like Harry Potter.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom, Marvolo, riddle you rearrange ith. Yeah, I am Lord Boldimore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yeah see, I'm like, and now you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>defend myself. I am into Harry Potter, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>like as Avid as a fan of Like, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>totally fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, regardless though her name is now Mona Fandy. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>together the two did all they could to push her

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<v Speaker 1>into the limelight. They even went as far as to

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<v Speaker 1>open their own recording studio to get her in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was their own money getting the recording studio

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<v Speaker 1>with all the equipment, and they're in that studio. They

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<v Speaker 1>produced herself sponsored album because they you know, paid for

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<v Speaker 1>it and everything and titled Diana, and she after the

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<v Speaker 1>album and everything, even made a few television appearances. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm going to give you guys a quick little

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<v Speaker 1>moment to listen to a little bit of her singing.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know what you guys think, Nada.

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<v Speaker 1>So for context, that's like nineteen eighty seven Malaysian pop music.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not too sure if you're all brushed up

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<v Speaker 1>on your nineteen eighty seven pop, you know, culture music stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, I don't think that's half bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, I thought it was good and honestly too, like,

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<v Speaker 2>so good for them for like taking the bowl by

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<v Speaker 2>the horns, because people aren't always going to be knocking

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<v Speaker 2>on your doors, so you gotta go knock on theirs, right, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta pave your own path.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Yeah, so like that's awesome. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>did this.

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<v Speaker 1>They took that initiative. They went out there and they

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<v Speaker 1>produced these and like I said, because of this album,

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<v Speaker 1>she even made a couple of TV appearances with her music.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, absolutely awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, despite those TV and public appearances, the self published

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<v Speaker 1>album didn't exactly push your career like she was hoping to,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put her in the limelight, and she didn't become

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<v Speaker 1>well a pop star. It was obvious to Mona and

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<v Speaker 1>her husband that she wasn't exactly going to make it big,

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<v Speaker 1>especially anytime soon, and the idea of becoming a star

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<v Speaker 1>didn't leave Mona's mind. However, was very much still a

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<v Speaker 1>dream of hers now in the meantime, just because she

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<v Speaker 1>had these aspirations and this dream and something that she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pursue, it didn't exactly fit well for her

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<v Speaker 1>to keep pursuing and that she had to go and

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<v Speaker 1>find some other means of income. So the two of

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<v Speaker 1>them did, and they did what any reasonable person would

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<v Speaker 1>do in this whole situation. Black magic as a witch doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>That was their backup plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, you just like went there, I was like

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<v Speaker 2>building up and the building up that was not what

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I that was completely left field for me too

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<v Speaker 1>while I was researching.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, all right, then it's kind of wild.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean most people would be like, Okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>What at a coffee shop something, yeah, something.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in the meantime, it means some of those jobs

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<v Speaker 1>pay well, So I mean hell yeah, yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what they did. They're like, you know what, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>witch doctor. Okay, all right, let let's sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very aged to know how this goes down.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it seems odd. Obviously you can't make

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you can make a living as a

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<v Speaker 2>They must have been into that kind of ad as well, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They must have had something to initiate it. Yeah, get

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's you don't just randomly decide that's what you're

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<v Speaker 1>That's completely left field. Yeah, you're not like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>love pop music, it's not working, satan. I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what happens, you know. No, so they must have

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<v Speaker 1>had some sort of interest, like you say, to push

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<v Speaker 1>them this way. So it's I mean, making a living

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<v Speaker 1>doing these rituals. It's it's far fetched at best to

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<v Speaker 1>think that you're going to just start pulling an income.

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<v Speaker 1>But it actually worked, hm. They their new role doing

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual rituals, healing provisions of talismans for money. One mona

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<v Speaker 1>much more fame than she ever dreamed of.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>It brought her wealth, it brought status, fame, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course materialistic things such as mansions and houses like they

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<v Speaker 1>were living the good life of course really yeah, of

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<v Speaker 1>course though, mind you like, she's not like in the

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<v Speaker 1>limelight as she would as a pop star, not cover

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<v Speaker 1>of magazines by any means.

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<v Speaker 2>And doing autographs and all that jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably yeah, but she is definitely living the money life.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, well, I hope you're gonna elaborate on what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly they're doing. May any of us want to? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I do a little bit here, and I'll try and

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<v Speaker 1>explain it as best as I can because it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>vague on the exact type of stuff that they were doing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do go over some of it, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>by touch on it right here? Perfect? Okay. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>it was the elite country or the country's elitists were

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<v Speaker 1>the most wealthy businessmen and politicians who are looking for

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<v Speaker 1>good fortune. Essentially, the more money they forked over to Mona,

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<v Speaker 1>the more powerful spells and ceremonies she would say she

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<v Speaker 1>would be performing, and the better fortune and spiritual healing

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<v Speaker 1>they would receive. So essentially what they're saying is, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to perform ceremonies on you, rituals on you,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, and get you good fortune, good healing,

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<v Speaker 1>and push you farther in your career, gets you wealth,

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<v Speaker 1>and get you status. And that's what these guys are after.

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<v Speaker 1>They're after that power and that status, so they're forking

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<v Speaker 1>out whatever cash they need to she could pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>name her price.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, if only it was that easy, Ah, if only if.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that easy, we might be offering that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff over on a Patreon for the smooth, smooth

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<v Speaker 1>figure of ten thousand dollars per ten second phone call

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<v Speaker 1>where we will give you. No, I'm just kidding my word.

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<v Speaker 1>If like you say, if only.

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<v Speaker 2>If only, I mean, if only, then I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people would be doing a lot better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this whole time though, Mona is of course,

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<v Speaker 1>just just laughing all the way to the bank. She's

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<v Speaker 1>making She's making cash like crazy. Now, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to mention this here before I move on. There is

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong with spiritualistic beliefs or performing such rituals. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to throw shade at that. We're joking a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit here, because the one thing that is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with it is taking advantage of people, which is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what Mona's doing. Yeah, she's just like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>make money. I want to become famous, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>my path to do it. You know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>charge a shit ton of money. So that's where I

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<v Speaker 1>have a problem with it. I mean, charge your crystals,

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<v Speaker 1>look up at the stars. I don't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Do your thing, do you? Yeah, that's totally cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because honestly, something just even like the power of

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<v Speaker 2>believing in something. Oh, yeah, really does make it work, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But and in my in my opinion, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>mostly the power of you believing. But if you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>it like kind of unfaithfully to gain yourself, that's maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And like a lot of like witchcraft or Wickan

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<v Speaker 1>stuff or all this sort of black magic or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>is not necessarily like I joked earlier, with like Satan, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily lining up with that, Like even Satanism

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<v Speaker 1>isn't lined up with Satan. So it's it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more like like you say, when you're taking advantage of it,

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<v Speaker 1>or when you're going about it the wrong way, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when it's it's not cool. And that's when it is

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<v Speaker 1>really about like yourself, and it is about selfishness.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're doing it taking advantage and doing it

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<v Speaker 2>to some of someone else exactly kind of thing, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And one man she did take advantage of was

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<v Speaker 1>a politician by the name of Maslin. There we go,

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<v Speaker 1>Maslin Idris. It's not certain who exactly approached who about

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<v Speaker 1>their arrangement. I'm going to assume it's Maslan who did

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<v Speaker 1>approach Mona about it. But regardless the result is the

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<v Speaker 1>same Mona was selling some very specific talismans to them.

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<v Speaker 1>There was two of them, to be particular. One was

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<v Speaker 1>a cane and another was a traditional hat that was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently previously warned by the President of Indonesia, a man

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<v Speaker 1>whose name was Sukano. Now apparently there's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the history of this guy as well, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna be diving into that today. But the

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<v Speaker 1>two items were sold to him for the very small

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<v Speaker 1>price of two point five million Malaysian ringots, which was

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<v Speaker 1>worth about six hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh ely shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is the kind of stuff she is charging.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, she's just like going down to the

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<v Speaker 1>local flea market and some shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I mean, but she put herself in that

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<v Speaker 2>position to have people believing that she could help them too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Maslin believed her because without a second thought he agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>She's doing something right, well not right, but she's doing

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<v Speaker 1>something to make money. I don't know how to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So she's swindling, is what she's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm just like, if you spent that money, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, like educating yourself or like I have a

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<v Speaker 2>campaign or something like, you would just get to where

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be too, maybe better, easier, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, over a top hat and a cane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I feel like I'm spiraling here, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, ah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know what you mean. Anyways, he paid one

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<v Speaker 1>fifth of the cost up front, and the rest he

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<v Speaker 1>had gave up some land as collateral as the remainder.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what I think here is I don't think he

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<v Speaker 1>could afford the full sum, and he's banking on here's

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<v Speaker 1>what I can afford. Now here's my collateral. Once these

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<v Speaker 1>talismans pay off and I am going far in my

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<v Speaker 1>career and I'm getting money, then I'll pay the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that's what his his math was going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he clearly wanted to go far in his

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<v Speaker 1>political career, and with these he was sure he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to make it to the top. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't. Mona clearly scammed him, and soon he would

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<v Speaker 1>be wise to her false promises. Once you know, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>nothing changed, everything was the same. He's just shy of

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<v Speaker 1>a shit ton of money. This is probably why he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't follow through to pay her the rest of what

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<v Speaker 1>he owned, because the land was up for collateral, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so well, he'll probably end up being some land. But

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<v Speaker 1>he still didn't even give her the land. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just what he put up front and that was it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now he wasn't getting he wanted, and Mona wasn't getting

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<v Speaker 1>what she wanted. Of course the money. Mona told him

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<v Speaker 1>there were some issues preventing the talismans from working properly,

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<v Speaker 1>and she made up some complete mumbo jumbo about needing

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<v Speaker 1>magic could actually take effect with the talismans. Now reluctantly,

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<v Speaker 1>Maslin agreed to take part. I'm pretty sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>get your I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure you can't get

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<v Speaker 1>your money back from black magic rituals. And he probably

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<v Speaker 1>realized that there's no exact return policy on that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, so he probably thought to himself, will have

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<v Speaker 1>gone this far, so why not just go through it

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it'll work and hope for the best. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what if I got to lose Now, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>paying her any more money up front. She's saying she'll

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<v Speaker 1>fix it, and then I'll be rich again, or famous again,

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<v Speaker 1>or politically amazing again, and then I'll pay her. So

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<v Speaker 1>what does he have to lose? Really? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I was just gonna say that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have much to lose unless something crazy happens here. I'm worried.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm something crazy happens here. I dun, dun. So they

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<v Speaker 1>met up for another ritual on July one of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three. In the middle of the night, Maslin took off,

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<v Speaker 1>not telling his wife, so he could meet Mona in

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<v Speaker 1>the remote area of Kumpoun Prak at one of Mona's

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<v Speaker 1>many houses.

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<v Speaker 2>I already don't like this.

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<v Speaker 1>He followed the road and turned off onto a dirt

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<v Speaker 1>road and kept going through the forest up a hillside

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<v Speaker 1>until he arrived at his destination, the small bungalow nestled

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<v Speaker 1>within the woods. There. Inside the house, Mona and her

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<v Speaker 1>husband Mohammed met him, and there was also their assistant,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had set up an area for the ritual

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<v Speaker 1>to be performed. Now, as he walked through the house,

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<v Speaker 1>there's items. There's nick knacks all around, and things in

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<v Speaker 1>jars and ingredients, lining shells. Very much witchcrafty type. Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>much from what you'd expect of someone who would be

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<v Speaker 1>living in a house and performs these sort of rituals. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a slab that he was apparently told he needed to

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<v Speaker 1>quote money to fall from the sky. Now what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen is as he lays there, they're kind of

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00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.279
<v Speaker 1>like dropping rose petals and flower petals upon him. Right,

425
00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:45.880
<v Speaker 1>So he did his mona and and her husband told

426
00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.319
<v Speaker 1>him to do, and they were dropping those petals on

427
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.039
<v Speaker 1>top of him in this flower bath, and he felt

428
00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the petals hitting his body and his face as if

429
00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it were the riches falling from the heavens. But then

430
00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.119
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, there was a different feeling, the

431
00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>feeling of an axe chopping clean through his exposed neck.

432
00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yep, okay, yeah, I knew it was going

433
00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.680
<v Speaker 2>to go somewhere, but I didn't know where it went.

434
00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:13.839
<v Speaker 1>To axe in the.

435
00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Neck, Oh my goodness, okay, you good, bruh. I could

436
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:25.559
<v Speaker 2>hardly listen to that. It's like the anticipation building from

437
00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:26.039
<v Speaker 2>my body.

438
00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I was just like losing it the moment I said

439
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the feeling of an axe. You moved away from your

440
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>mighty and started cringing before I even said what happened?

441
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, oh this poor person, Oh my goodness.

442
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:46.079
<v Speaker 1>So Maslin was quickly reported missing the next day, on

443
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.640
<v Speaker 1>July second, as this took place in July first in

444
00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:54.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three, after there was a withdrawal of thirty

445
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 1>thousand ringots, which was then about twelve thousand dollars in

446
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:04.319
<v Speaker 1>US dollars from a Kula Lumpar bank. Oh geez, which

447
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Kula Lamparp? Sorry, is the area, not the bank specifically,

448
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>it's the area, okay. An important clue for the police

449
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>as they knew where to start looking.

450
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Now.

451
00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>As it turns out, the day after Maslin's slaying in

452
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>cold Blood, Mona decided that a shopping spree was an order.

453
00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, I started this podcast feeling and bringing

454
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:34.039
<v Speaker 2>bad for her. Yep, now I just h is it

455
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>get worse? Well, no, it's it's just this one situation, okay, geez.

456
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she decided, Yeah, a shopping spree, unbelievable. She

457
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>probably felt that the money was owed to her.

458
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, probably, Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it past her.

459
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 1>So she went shopping and even bought herself a Mercedes

460
00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Benz and splurged a little extra on herself because you know,

461
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.160
<v Speaker 1>she deserves it, and got a facelift.

462
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she deserves it, my ass, she deserves it.

463
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the day after slaying a dude, she goes

464
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>withdraws a shit ton of money from his bank and

465
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>goes in a shopping spree.

466
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>And gets a facelift and a car.

467
00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a Mercedes.

468
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow, real winner right here we got.

469
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, Mona clearly had the fucking, the fucking hootspa.

470
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>There we go.

471
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.039
<v Speaker 2>That's the hootspa.

472
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:29.759
<v Speaker 1>To believe she was gonna get away with it, honestly.

473
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm sure she thought that she was totally

474
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.960
<v Speaker 2>getting away with this. And like you said, she thinks

475
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.359
<v Speaker 2>that that money was completely out to her. She probably

476
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:41.799
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think she did anything wrong. She didn't get all

477
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the money, so she took his life.

478
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm going to go back a little bit

479
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>here because you said that there's something for like believing

480
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:48.559
<v Speaker 1>in yourself.

481
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

482
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I honestly think that she actually believed in her own

483
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>abilities and chalked this whole like him dying up to

484
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>bad karma like kind of thing for not listening to

485
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>her in the place, like he pretty much did it

486
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to himself because he didn't pay her. So it's like, well,

487
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 1>it's bad ju ju on you then that that's my assumption.

488
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense.

489
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she was literally caught up in her

490
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>own sharade and she began to believe her own falsibilities.

491
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think.

492
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean a lot of people in those

493
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of positions and stuff do, Yeah, they totally do.

494
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like I was just came to mind as like

495
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.279
<v Speaker 2>cult leaders and stuff, right, yeah, I mean how.

496
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Else do you explain like using the card the very

497
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>next fucking day. She believed she can just get away

498
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.440
<v Speaker 1>with it. She believed that she was fucking magic. That's

499
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>what I think.

500
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

501
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, it didn't take long for a break to come

502
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.559
<v Speaker 1>in this case, and it doesn't come from anywhere you

503
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>would actually guess or expect. On July twenty second, police

504
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>ended up arresting a young man who was higher than

505
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>a fucking kite wandering public streets. So a couple of

506
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:01.559
<v Speaker 1>foot patrol officers arrested him and brought him in. Very

507
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 1>lucky that these foot patrol officers just happened to run

508
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>into this individual, and this individual in question just so

509
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>happened to be a twenty three year old man named

510
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Jarima who's sin Mona's assistant.

511
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Really yes, oh my goodness. Okay, So at.

512
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>This point drama or dry me sorry, Jerimi is how

513
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 1>he say his name. Was only facing a bit of

514
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 1>jail time maybe at worst, you know, maybe a fine

515
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and slap on the wrist, and back in his way. Right,

516
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 1>he's basically just high in public, so okay.

517
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, that's really all he's done.

518
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it, h okay. However, something had happened when

519
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 1>he was arrested and they began questioning him regarding his

520
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>inebriation before he was fully sober. He actually ended up

521
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 1>implementing implication I can't talk today, implicating himself in the

522
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>murder of Maslin.

523
00:27:58.960 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

524
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 1>His statements were complete, jumbled for the record, they're rambling,

525
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>incoherent at first, but the police were able to pick

526
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>up some crucial pieces of information and most importantly a

527
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>name Maslin Idris hm hm.

528
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 2>So if you got a big juicy secret, don't get

529
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>drunk or high or whatever and spill all your means.

530
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or just don't get high. You know that I'm

531
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 1>drunk in public and you know, Yeah, substance abuse is

532
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 1>bad kids, let's put it that way. It is, yep,

533
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it was basically he just started going off

534
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 1>and confessing to the police about this shit.

535
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

536
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was confessing to being involved in the disappearance,

537
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 1>which is ridiculous. And because of that, the police pressed

538
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 1>forward and questioned him on the information, and he began

539
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>telling them the wild tale of black magic and rituals.

540
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Whoa, Okay, I'm not gonna lie. I do actually really,

541
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoying this. You're enjoying this, Like this is good?

542
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 1>What specifically? What do you mean?

543
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just hilarious because the next morning or whatever,

544
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>when this person is sober, like they're gonna just be

545
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 2>like fuck yeah, like holy shit, and.

546
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 1>This, like this whole case is just a shit show

547
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>of just like what the fuck?

548
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

549
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh, and he also mentioned a name Mona Fandy.

550
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Really okay, went all out. Yeah, I just went to

551
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 2>town here.

552
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he mentioned Mona Fandy. Oh you know that famous

553
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>witch doctor. Yeah her, wow, the one that police already

554
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 1>know who she is, because she's that famous witch doctor. Oh,

555
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the ones who just happens to own the bungalow down

556
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the dirt road that just so happens to be in

557
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 1>the area where Maslin's credit card was used to make

558
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a large withdrawal holy day of his reported appearance. Yeah,

559
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that Mona wow.

560
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Because like, honestly, they might they probably would not have

561
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>figured it out otherwise.

562
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, probably not.

563
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Because I just feel like she probably would have been

564
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.279
<v Speaker 2>very good at bring up her church steps.

565
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, oh, we're going to talk about covering up

566
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 1>the steps here in a minute. But that wasn't everything

567
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 1>that Jarami said, though. He said even more. He claimed

568
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 1>that the most crucial piece of evidence that the police

569
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 1>needed lay waiting to be found at that bungalow. So

570
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>him and the officers officer officers to hear that. Yeah,

571
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:32.279
<v Speaker 1>officers went for a little drive. Mona and her husband

572
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 1>were quickly, of course, arrested, and police went searching the

573
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>house for a rickety little shed out back and sure enough,

574
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>in this rickety little brick shed there was this evidence

575
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that Jerami was talking about. Detectives opened the building and

576
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:54.119
<v Speaker 1>inside they found a patch of newly poured concrete in

577
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the center of the floor.

578
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>What yep, wow, Okay, my brain had gone somewhere. I

579
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 2>thought they were going to like be dissecting this body

580
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>or something using it for their their rafts stuff.

581
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not quite. There was there was a fresh tomb,

582
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>if you will. Let's put it that way.

583
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Interesting though, because I don't know if that would be

584
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 2>like a great way to hide a body. It seems

585
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of suspicious.

586
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, only if you're looking for a body

587
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>a nice cement floor in a shed, I guess why not? Sure,

588
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Either that's not a suspicious thing for me, or I

589
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of sheds that hold a lot of bodies.

590
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, Because a lot.

591
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Of people will pour a concrete pad and then build

592
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.079
<v Speaker 1>something on it. Right, it's a foundation, I guess.

593
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, wow, okay, yeah, okay, make.

594
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>A floor in your shed, and then people aren't going

595
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 1>to be the wiser, especially the older it.

596
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Gets, right, Holy heck huh Okay.

597
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>So obviously a team was brought in to break open

598
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 1>and search through the concrete. Through digging, they would eventually

599
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>find remains six feet down into the dirt. Sorry, approximately

600
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>six feet down to the dirt. It was, of course Maslin.

601
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>His remains were decomposed and he was chopped up into

602
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 1>eighteen different pieces.

603
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

604
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 1>The whole of course reeked of decay.

605
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

606
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>But it also contained more than his remains. It also

607
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>included things like an axe, knives, other tools and items

608
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 1>that were used and found from the murder scene.

609
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Why the heck did they chop him up into so

610
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 2>many pieces?

611
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Probably for easy disposable you know, carrying out to the

612
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 1>backyard or something like that.

613
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting, or.

614
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>As you say, it could be some other ceremonial things

615
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>that they were after.

616
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I was like they might be using his

617
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 2>body for things.

618
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I should also say, actually that in the Corner's notes

619
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>it was mentioned that the body appeared to have been

620
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>partially skinned, which also plays into the whole witchcraft ceremonial things.

621
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, like, okay, if there is a bunch of

622
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 2>jars and stuff in there, don't you picture one of

623
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the jars to be like pieces of skin?

624
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

625
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Probably one in a mason jar seal that shit.

626
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Up eyeballs and shit, oh yeah, Newts, I have Newt

627
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 1>puppy dog's tails.

628
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

629
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Which that honestly just shows me that the whole her

630
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 1>believing her own bullshit thing is extremely true because behind

631
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the scenes, guess what they're doing. They're not putting on

632
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 1>a show to anyone. They have a dead body and

633
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>they are dissecting it, skinning it. So they're doing this

634
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 1>for their own amusement or their own rituals.

635
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna I'm I think rituals. I'm going with that.

636
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, rituals are not though. It's the one thing that

637
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>really gets me is they tried to cover their tracks,

638
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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, like I mean, they kind of did a

639
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.559
<v Speaker 1>good job of it, Like I think they could have

640
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 1>like well, you even said they probably would have gotten

641
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<v Speaker 1>away with it.

642
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, if you're covering your tracks of something,

643
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<v Speaker 2>then you know you did something wrong.

644
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, other than like you know, the the credit card

645
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>thing and having a fucking witness at the scene, you know,

646
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking a for effort, I guess.

647
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>But they really trusted this assistant.

648
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh did they ever? Especially if they know that he's

649
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>getting high and wandering the fucking streets. Yeah, everything, they

650
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't know. He's getting caught by the comps and spilling

651
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the beans.

652
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, spilling the beans. Yeah, that's what he did. Yeah,

653
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>and he like he is going to be in trouble too.

654
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well he was actually the one who struck the blow.

655
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 1>He was the one who had the axe.

656
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, seriously. Yes, so they even made someone

657
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<v Speaker 2>else do this the dirty work completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, now I should clarify though I don't have that

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<v Speaker 1>written in my notes. I remember reading, but I can't

660
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<v Speaker 1>remember the resource for that, so I could be wrong

661
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>on that particular piece.

662
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 2>But it makes sense. I bet you they would totally

663
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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure he was the one with the acts.

665
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

666
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, moving on to their trial, Mona Mohammed and Jeremiah

667
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Drymy were tried before the judge his name was Dat

668
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<v Speaker 1>took Macartar sid In. I believe, I really hope I

669
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 1>said that right. In nineteen ninety five, they were all

670
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>charged with murder under section three zero two of the

671
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Malaysian Penalty Code, a crime which carries a mandatory death sentence. Wow, okay,

672
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 1>mandatory good. So if found guilty, mandatory death.

673
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Sentence well, yeah, they took someone else's life quite easily here.

674
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, the trial was a absolute media sensation. A famous

675
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>witch doctor and her beloved husband in their late thirties

676
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 1>accused of a gruesome voodoo related murder. The entire time

677
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>while going to court, Mona wore expensive outfits each day, you.

678
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Know, Oh my gosh, she was using this.

679
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep, she was looking her absolute best, thrived in the

680
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>media attention, and she continued her own ritual that she

681
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 1>had since she was a kid, of always keeping that

682
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>beautiful show stopping smile on her face.

683
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Disgusting.

684
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 1>She loved every bit of attention that she was getting, which,

685
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 1>like you just said, disgusting.

686
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 2>So like she just literally wanted to be in the

687
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>limelight and she didn't give a shit how or how

688
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>she was there really exactly. That is so gross. Like

689
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I am so disgusted right now. Oh tell me, I

690
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.079
<v Speaker 2>was going to eat an English muffin after this. Now

691
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I want to.

692
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>That is so oddly specific. I was gonna eat an

693
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>English muffin, But now this bitch can fuck off.

694
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah now I'm just like not hungry anymore, all right, Okay,

695
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I can top that.

696
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Well. The case lasted sixty five English muffinless days and

697
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:25.199
<v Speaker 1>heard evidence from seventy six different witnesses. The prosecution told

698
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the court that money was a clear motivation for the

699
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>murder and pointed to the shopping spree, you know, having

700
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a big old facelift and a brand new Mercedes Bins.

701
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Jerimi also testified against Mona and Fandi, who's sorry, I

702
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.639
<v Speaker 1>have his last name there, Mohammed so Mona and Mohammed

703
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and revealed the gruesome details of the murder as he

704
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<v Speaker 1>was there himself.

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00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And sorry just to clarify something too, so like witnesses

706
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, I imagine it's other people that were, like,

707
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you call them, clients of hers.

708
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>So I couldn't find exactly who these witnesses were, but.

709
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 2>For that many, I feel like some of them are

710
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>probably that hey, because there wasn't like any many witnesses

711
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of the crime or anything.

712
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to assume it's a lot of people

713
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>business related, you know, who can attest to specifically, since

714
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the motivation is money, motivate like for spending how much

715
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>she charged people living the lavish life with her, and

716
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 1>witnessing that sort of stuff, witnessing her business, what she

717
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>would do and perform at rituals, So I would assume that, Yeah,

718
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them are probably going to be clients.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>So now, the only defense from Mona and Mohammad was

721
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>that he owed them money for the rituals and the

722
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 1>talismans they provided. That's basically the some of their defense.

723
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Well he owed us money, Wow, because that justifies it

724
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 2>completely apparently in their mind, I guess. And they didn't

725
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:55.719
<v Speaker 2>buy the sounds of it too. They didn't even need

726
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the money, right, No, they didn't, So that just doesn't

727
00:38:58.800 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 2>make any sense.

728
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 1>No, So, yeah, they pieces of shit.

729
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

730
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>So it only took seven jury members just seventy minutes

731
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 1>to reach a unanimous verdict of guilty against all three defendants. Yes,

732
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Mohammed and Mona smiled when the foreman of the jury

733
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 1>delivered the verdict on the ninth of February nineteen ninety five.

734
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Why ugh, I don't.

735
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Know, because they fucked up. The judge then passed the

736
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>death sentence on each of them. He said that they

737
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 1>would be taken from the court to a recognized facility

738
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>aka at prison and later be hanged until they were dead.

739
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>After hearing her sentence, Mona said this, I am happy

740
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 1>and thank you to all Malaysians.

741
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Really hey, like by getting this guilty, they would have

742
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.800
<v Speaker 2>known that they were basically going to die. But it

743
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem to have bothered them at all.

744
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>No. Right here, it says like after her sentence, not

745
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>after the verdict, after sentence, after you will be hanged.

746
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:18.920
<v Speaker 2>We'll be here. He says that now she literally is

747
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be famous, like she's famous forever.

748
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's exactly what she wanted. She was photographed smiling

749
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 1>as she was led from the courtroom to prison. There's

750
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 1>an infamous photo. You look it up, and she is

751
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 1>a big shit eating grim.

752
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I see this.

753
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:39.679
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to.

754
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I need I'm going to. I'm going to look at

755
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it while I'm eating my English mother.

756
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, that'll be one hell of an

757
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>English moff. And I guess now. Of course, all attempts

758
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 1>for appeal were dismissed, all three attempts from each individual,

759
00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and on Friday the second on November of November sorry

760
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and one, in a Kanjang a Kajang prison.

761
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Before dawn, the trio were each handcuffed and hooded in

762
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 1>their holding cells adjacent to the execution chamber, and then

763
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 1>led to the gallows with their three British style nooses

764
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.119
<v Speaker 1>dangling from a big old metal beam.

765
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yikes, yikes.

766
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 1>There they were hanged, and they were left to hang

767
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:31.159
<v Speaker 1>for an hour before being pronounced dead. A prison official

768
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 1>said the trio expressed no remorse at the pre dawn execution.

769
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>M So it's almost like they just accepted it and

770
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.199
<v Speaker 2>they were fine with that.

771
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, it's like that that's what they fucking wanted.

772
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>They wanted the limelight, they wanted the stardom, they wanted

773
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the infamy, which it kind of sucks to talk about

774
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>this case in that sense now, Yeah, but also in

775
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>that it's like, fuck, you guys. You know, we're gonna

776
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, and we're going to talk about how

777
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 1>much you guys fucking suck and your big pieces of shit.

778
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>And no kidding. Yeah, I'm just like, it's because I

779
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 2>imagine like a lot of people in that moment though,

780
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>were just like terrified and oh my gosh, like trying

781
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how they could like possibly a last

782
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>minute get out of this, but they just didn't just

783
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing.

784
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, the one nice thing to sum this all up.

785
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 1>After the executions, Maslin's widow, Dateene Farida uh told reporters

786
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 1>that she could finally bury the past, which is.

787
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Like, which is awesome good. I mean because she's like

788
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the main victim here in a sense, because she has

789
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>to continue her life and know what happened to her

790
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.280
<v Speaker 2>husband and why he was doing this, and because he

791
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be successful, and I probably imagine he probably

792
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be successful like for her and everything. Right,

793
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 2>So that's like a tough pill to swallow.

794
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be something that I'm sure she'll

795
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>be thinking about for a long long time to come.

796
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So that is the story about this fucking bitch mona

797
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 1>fandy and her fucking husband and assistant pieces of shit.

798
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 2>No kidding. I did not expect this story to go

799
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 2>that way. No, I mean when you first started, I

800
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>was just like, oh, this is interesting, But now I like,

801
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.599
<v Speaker 2>literally do not like this woman whatsoever.

802
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 1>It's very relatable at the beginning, you know, a young

803
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 1>girl who dreams of stardom and be on the stage

804
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and doing what she can to get there and working hard.

805
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>But then it just.

806
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 2>It becomes very unrelatable.

807
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 1>And very dark and very twisted. But it also makes

808
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>me think, like how long did she have this in her?

809
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Was that smiling at a young age, really innocent wanting

810
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 1>to be a pop star or was that just something

811
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.119
<v Speaker 1>sinister right out of the gate.

812
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Could be Actually I never thought about it like that. Eh,

813
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Like this she was just like a murderer in the works.

814
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe the whole pop star thing was just like

815
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a mask, like a facade, and then you know she

816
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>couldn't that facade wasn't getting her anywhere. And then when

817
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 1>she went to the witch doctor black magic thing, she

818
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>peeled away the mask and it was just who she

819
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.119
<v Speaker 1>really was, this creepy, fucking, vile human being.

820
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Like what a disturbing story because, like we said too,

821
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>like she would have had interest in that, right, Yeah,

822
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 2>you just don't all of a sudden. I think one

823
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>day like fail at one thing and like go to

824
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 2>something else and not have had an interest in it.

825
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Well kind of, I mean to be fair. I mean myself,

826
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 1>like I'm undiagnosed, but we pretty much are certain I

827
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 1>have ADHD, right, And the thing for me that I

828
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>really get going is hyperfixation. I find something that piques

829
00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>me interest, I dive into it headlong, headlong, So it

830
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.280
<v Speaker 1>might not be something if I guess anything like that.

831
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>She could just have one day heard it from a

832
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>friend and then started reading about it and then it

833
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>just really piqued her interest and she should do this.

834
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<v Speaker 2>I really think that you make all this money from

835
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:23.679
<v Speaker 2>it though. Wow, huh that's a wild story. Yeah, interesting,

836
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>well done, It's.

837
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 1>A crazy one. Patrons are good at selecting those good ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, they are well. I think a lot of

839
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 2>them too had never heard heard this story covered by anyone,

840
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>so that's why it was a big interest in right.

841
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 1>And it's a roller coaster. So I hope that you

842
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 1>guys enjoyed it.

843
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my head's spinning.

844
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.039
<v Speaker 1>If you want to join us over on Patreon so

845
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you can have a vote in these episodes once in

846
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<v Speaker 1>a while, you can go ahead and take a look

847
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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes or the description, whatever you want

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