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<v Speaker 1>We welcome back to Father Balloons Weekly round Up.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye. I am fond Malone and joining me is creator

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<v Speaker 2>of the Red Sox Fever Catch It campaign straight from

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<v Speaker 2>SCDP ahead of copy, Miss Ripley Gene. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have a drink. What time is it? Drink?

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<v Speaker 2>A clock is not recognized by the Time Council or

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<v Speaker 2>the Time Lords. Have you been to Gallifray lately? The

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<v Speaker 2>place has gone downhill. This is a weird week if

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening in order. If not, hey, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>another episode. But here's the deal. Ordinarily, the Weekly Roundup

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<v Speaker 2>would have been on Monday in the latest Fusco fest

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<v Speaker 2>here on Friday, but two events conspired against that. First,

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<v Speaker 2>the new Netflix series The Four Seasons premiered yesterday. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the one starring Tina Fey and Will Forte and Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Carell and others, and it's based on the nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>one film written and directed and starring Alan Alda. My

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<v Speaker 2>frequent co host HP and I did an episode about

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<v Speaker 2>the film, so there was no time like the present

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<v Speaker 2>to release it. Also, the next film in the Fusco

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<v Speaker 2>filmography is Thunderheart. HP is currently out and about Chris

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<v Speaker 2>crossing these here United States, so we had to postpone

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<v Speaker 2>and Thunderheart is a fucking great movie that has only

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<v Speaker 2>gained relevancy over the years and now tragedy with the

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<v Speaker 2>recent passing of Val Kilmer. So I wanted that film

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<v Speaker 2>to get the proper attention from both of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>it will be along directly. If you're a new midnight

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<v Speaker 2>viewer because of Fusco Fest, thank you for joining us,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to what this crazy bullshit is like when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm left to my own devices. A lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>have happened since last week got together, So you and

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<v Speaker 2>I shall we begin my condolences to God for the

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<v Speaker 2>recent passing of Pope Francis. You can send flowers to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually God took him, so no condolences to you, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Has it ever occurred that sending flowers to a funeral

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<v Speaker 2>is like sending dozens of corpses. I don't sleep a

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<v Speaker 2>lot gang midnight viewers. You're like the Peanut Gallery, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to cook up some cool midnight viewing

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<v Speaker 2>promotional shit. Ripley jeans slatbrace. How about a bubble enclosed

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<v Speaker 2>drawing a father Malone? But he's bald and there are

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<v Speaker 2>little mental shavings in there, and you use a little

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<v Speaker 2>wand with a magnet on the end to give me

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<v Speaker 2>a hairstyle. Maybe just a button, you know, a pin.

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<v Speaker 2>I was big into buttons in high school. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>My lapels were the leading with buttons. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>priest at my school who knew my name but called

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<v Speaker 2>me Badge. Badge did you see The Doors? I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching it and I thought, Badge is gonna love this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a cool clergyman. And I still love a

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<v Speaker 2>good button. I still have every one of those goddamn

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<v Speaker 2>lapel pins. I have a Gremlins two promotional button that

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<v Speaker 2>does not announce it's a Gremlins two promotional button, which

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<v Speaker 2>is my favorite kind of advertising obleak. It just says

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<v Speaker 2>Splice of Life, Genetic Labs in the most eighties font imaginable.

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<v Speaker 2>When Patrick Nagel dreams, he dreams in this font. I

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<v Speaker 2>got that button at a creation convention back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, and now three fucking decades later, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be giving out my own at a convention right here

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<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas. What convention? Well, I'm glad you asked.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Nightmare in Vegas show in October at the

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<v Speaker 2>silverton I can do some other shit other than buttons.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the kids into these days? Wacky wallwalkers, oversized

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<v Speaker 2>novelty sunglasses, those little puzzles that's a ball bearing and

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta tilt it to navigate around a little plastic labyrinth?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is everything popcorn buckets? Sincerely? What is going on

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<v Speaker 2>with popcorn buckets? It was cute for two fucking seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the promotional item we're obsessed with from movie theaters.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because that one ill designed to sandworm? Now everything

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<v Speaker 2>is how can we make this molded plastic most look

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<v Speaker 2>like a seventies blow up doll? Did you see Thunderbolts? No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I fucked the popcorn bucket.

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<v Speaker 3>Pal from a.

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<v Speaker 2>Row Jack Blu Rays seventy eight, I'm gonna assume he's

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<v Speaker 2>from the long and proud line of Blu Rays seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight is an Avian in origin. Well Jack has gone

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and completely thrown the upcoming musical episode into chaos

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<v Speaker 2>by introducing a second contender. That's how low stakes this

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<v Speaker 2>shit is. Gang. We've had two votes and now we

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<v Speaker 2>officially have two candidates. One is American pop that's the

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph Bakshi animated grimy, grubby take about American popular music

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd like to point out that that movie predicts

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<v Speaker 2>that the future of American music, the future that we

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<v Speaker 2>are living in right now, is Bob Seger working on

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<v Speaker 2>a night move. Not Bob Seger, but now, thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>mister Blue Ray seventy eight, we have the Frank Oz,

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<v Speaker 2>Howard Ashman, Allan menkin Rick moranis starring Little Shop of Horrors.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, don't make me watch what is potentially the

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<v Speaker 2>best rock and roll musical of all time. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't make me once again endure the zenith the Paramount,

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<v Speaker 2>even though this was a Geffen production of mechanical special effects.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't make me listen to the velvet gravel of Levi

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<v Speaker 2>Stubbs voice as Audrey two. Who needs Ellen Green bursting

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<v Speaker 2>out of that leopard print number while knocking down the

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<v Speaker 2>walls of skid row with that fucking powerhouse voice. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>not me. I'd much rather watch a bunch of rotoscoped

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<v Speaker 2>hippies shooting Heroin while an oil projector beats in time

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<v Speaker 2>with Janis Joplin. As the cost effective method of animated

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<v Speaker 2>backgrounds continue. I don't want to have to reevaluate the

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<v Speaker 2>missing ending of a Little Shop of horse where dozens

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<v Speaker 2>of Kaiju sized plants take over New York and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>smash through the movie screen. So here's the contact at

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<v Speaker 2>Father Malone. That one's easy. That's all these socials or

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<v Speaker 2>Father Malone seven to one at the gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are in the notes. If you want to click

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<v Speaker 2>vote for the one you want us to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>American pop No or a Little Shop of Horrors. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm swaying anything at all. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>as mister blu rayceivity, it has beautifully illustrated. You can

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<v Speaker 2>also suggest your own turn this into a fucking horse

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<v Speaker 2>race or a greyhound race. You know, in my hometown

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<v Speaker 2>of Revere, Massachusetts, they had a greyhound a dog track.

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<v Speaker 2>People would go and bt on the dogs. My grandmother,

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<v Speaker 2>in her later years, was the nurse on staff at

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<v Speaker 2>the Wonderland Dog Track. Come to think of it, there

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<v Speaker 2>was an entire section of Revere, part of Revere Beach

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<v Speaker 2>known as Wonderland. There was the Wonderland Ballroom, and the

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<v Speaker 2>final stop on the Blue Line, the above ground and

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<v Speaker 2>then underground train line was the Wonderland Stop. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>movie it's terrible, called Next Stop of Wonderland. It was

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of a thrill heading home from a day

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston and going back to Wonderland. Anyway, send votes

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<v Speaker 2>for musicals or maybe suggest your room, and maybe don't

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<v Speaker 2>suggest Popeye. I already did that over on the Projection Booth.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to watch it again, Okay, next Penn

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<v Speaker 2>palfrom Around the World. I got some backups about the

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<v Speaker 2>recent Tales from the dark Side episode we did over

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<v Speaker 2>on the Friday Show. That was The Milkman Cometh co

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<v Speaker 2>host Chris Dash who bulked at the idea of a

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<v Speaker 2>milkman still in operation in nineteen eighty seven when I

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<v Speaker 2>had a milkman and a frequent show collaborator, Jasmine Eva

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<v Speaker 2>tell's tale of milk delivery into the two thousands in

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<v Speaker 2>glass bottles. No less, that's to probably three centuries of

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<v Speaker 2>milk delivery. The Milkman Cometh, by the way, didn't mention

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that that is probably an ejaculation joke as

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<v Speaker 2>a title. I mean, it does end with a guy's

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<v Speaker 2>wife giving birth to the Milkman's inhuman child. Our man

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<v Speaker 2>in Scotland sent in the button Ness Lighthouse in Dundee

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<v Speaker 2>for perusal. It's actually closer to a town called and

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm going to butcher it Carnowsty. The lighthouse itself

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<v Speaker 2>looks damn fine. I'll take it. That is my ultimate goal.

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<v Speaker 2>My lighthouse fascination goes way deeper than Stevie Wayne and

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<v Speaker 2>the Kab Lighthouse in the Fog. I've been not obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with them since I was very wee there just practicing

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<v Speaker 2>for my future residence. What are the chances for an

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<v Speaker 2>unskilled American to naturalize to somewhere like Scotland. I have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing unique to contribute, but you always hear about situation

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<v Speaker 2>like there are these chain of islands in the government

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<v Speaker 2>will buy you a house and set you up because

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<v Speaker 2>the general store needs tending to Are any of those

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities actually real? Because sign me up for a lighthouse keeper.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of remember Clockwork Orange On the soundtrack, Kubrick added

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<v Speaker 2>that song I want to marry a lighthouse keeper and

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<v Speaker 2>keep him close to me. You added it as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an ironic statement, but I totally bought it, And

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<v Speaker 2>give me that lighthouse. I honestly don't care where it

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<v Speaker 2>is in the world. If you know of a Lighthouse opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>hit me up. I'm serious. I am on the record

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<v Speaker 2>of hating that fucking movie The Lighthouse, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>fell asleep three times trying to watch it. I did

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<v Speaker 2>eventually see the whole thing piecemeal. And you know who

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Angers reminds me of. There was a sketch on

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Show with Bob and David and David Cross played

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<v Speaker 2>this fucking insufferable hipster droning on about the merits of

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<v Speaker 2>defunct technology sir for.

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<v Speaker 4>Sud last night, I didn't watch television. I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>own a television. Notice I didn't say TV. TV is

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<v Speaker 4>a nickname, and nicknames are for friends, and television is

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<v Speaker 4>no friend of mine. You are listened to some CDs.

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<v Speaker 4>Please compact this blow. People were not meant to hear

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<v Speaker 4>music with such clarity. People need hear snaps and pops

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<v Speaker 4>and that shit. This, my friend, is the only modern

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<v Speaker 4>piece of equipment I will touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a CD player?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I just it's a mini Victrola, and it allows

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<v Speaker 4>me to listen to the only decent music ever committed

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<v Speaker 4>to Vinyl vital Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it a DAT player?

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus, just listen so pure hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>We are probably going to cover and or soon, but

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<v Speaker 2>not today. That's a talk we're gonna have to have

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<v Speaker 2>with mister Antonio Lapour, who is currently cheating on us

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<v Speaker 2>with another podcast. Nah, he's cool. Star Wars is Tony's domain, however,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wouldn't feel comfortable talking without him. I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>trying to rope a fellow podcaster into coming on here

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about Sinners. I don't think that movie needs

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<v Speaker 2>my help anymore. What a fucking heartening event that that

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<v Speaker 2>movie is doing so well and good for you Ryan Coogler,

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<v Speaker 2>who apparently is taking over the X Files. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when we'd got out about the deal he has for Sinners,

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<v Speaker 2>too many people started calling it the death of the

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<v Speaker 2>studio system because he's getting the rights to the movie

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty five years. What is wrong with everybody? Racists?

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas had Star Wars outright and everyone called him a genius.

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<v Speaker 2>The other big news is Thunderbolts. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>next week's weekly round up, this coming Sunday, I think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Monday. Another reason for the weirdo schedule of late

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<v Speaker 2>Keep an ear out for that one. Okay, listen, you

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<v Speaker 2>know sometimes you fall down the proverbial rabbit hole, bouncing

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<v Speaker 2>from random topic to random topic till it's eight hours

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<v Speaker 2>later and you don't know why you even picked up

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<v Speaker 2>your phone to begin with. Well, I have the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of that, apparently, because if you dedicate an entire channel

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<v Speaker 2>to one of my favorite shows and then I stumble

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<v Speaker 2>cross that fact, and guess what happens. It fucking consumes

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<v Speaker 2>my life. That's what happens. We are talking about mad

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<v Speaker 2>Men here, a show I own in its entirety on DVD,

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<v Speaker 3>Here now, just as the executive for it do.

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<v Speaker 5>If you follow my lead, you can avoid some of

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<v Speaker 2>Hello John, I'm like, come out one, Jone's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone else knows that absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>That's out in my life, Don Drake, Why should we

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that means. You handle the words.

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<v Speaker 6>Bringing in business is the key to your salary, your status,

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<v Speaker 2>A modern executive is a busy man.

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<v Speaker 5>I think maybe that's your cue.

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<v Speaker 1>Advertising is based.

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<v Speaker 3>On one thing, happiness. It's freedom from fear. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>I hope we're not interrupt think anything.

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<v Speaker 6>Manipulation of the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell, that's what I pay you.

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<v Speaker 3>For advertising is a very small world.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we drink before the meeting or out?

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<v Speaker 2>Out of money? And education doesn't take the root edge.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of people.

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<v Speaker 6>Why do you think every time a man takes you

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<v Speaker 6>out to lunch around here to the desert.

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<v Speaker 3>Be where the non confolished the optimism of the American Corporation?

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<v Speaker 2>Mad Men? When I get home from work, wake up

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<v Speaker 2>at two am, mad Man, look like it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a beautiful weekend outside. Fuck that, mad Man. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>probably too much has already been written and said about

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<v Speaker 2>the show, which ran from twenty seven to twenty fIF

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<v Speaker 2>depicting the years of the nineteen sixties through the eyes

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<v Speaker 2>and pens and graphic designs, and alcohol and smoking and

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<v Speaker 2>sexism that was the world of advertising on Madison Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nominally the tale of Don Draper, a man simply

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<v Speaker 2>born to sell you shit, including his own version of reality,

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<v Speaker 2>and the various copywriters, account executives, secretaries, lunatics, switchboard operators,

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<v Speaker 2>beat nix and others that orbit the agency of Sterling

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper or Sterling Cooper, Draper Price or Sterling Cooper and Partners,

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<v Speaker 2>or well, you get the idea. The show covers quite

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ground and social and societal upheaval. It

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<v Speaker 2>won all the accolades, got all the awards, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has all the talent. Now. I've spoken at length recently

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<v Speaker 2>about how potentially detrimental it has been lionizing the worst

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<v Speaker 2>of us on TV and in film, the Sopranos and

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking Bad being the obvious examples. But Don Draper, as

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<v Speaker 2>villainous as any of them, gets a pass. His brand

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<v Speaker 2>of villainy is too subtle and elegant to ever be

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<v Speaker 2>emulated by the kind of ding dongs that think Project

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<v Speaker 2>Mayhem and Fight Club was really fucking cool man. When

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<v Speaker 2>the show came on, there was quite a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>uproar and pearl clutching about the casually deplorable actions and

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<v Speaker 2>hilarious as the solemn reaction to one time Mad Max

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<v Speaker 2>and as of the last thirty years, completely demented person

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<v Speaker 2>Mel Gibson's film Passion of the Christ You Broke My Heart,

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<v Speaker 2>Melt my Brave Heart. The kind of Christians who were

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<v Speaker 2>dig Christian rock. They were the ones fainting of the

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<v Speaker 2>depiction of whipping and torture of their Lord and Savior.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly no Catholics were doing that, because on Good Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd all huddle in the lower Church, the cavernous, freaky church,

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<v Speaker 2>where the columns that lined the walls were festooned with

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<v Speaker 2>frescoes depicting fourteen terrible moments leading up to Christ's burial,

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<v Speaker 2>and we go around that room and we'd all chant

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<v Speaker 2>the words in unison and contemplate how frail human beings

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<v Speaker 2>are and how fucking cruel this world is. Jesus falls

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, oh my Lord. By the way, really

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to Gibson's Passion of the Christ too, where

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus descends into Hell and kicks ass for the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I was joking about that. So much like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Same with mad men. Yes, there was a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>fucking out and in your face sexism. They were smoking

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere and didn't give a shit if you were a

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<v Speaker 2>child or had emphysema. And yes, you could still throw

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<v Speaker 2>a big soiree at a country club and perform in

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<v Speaker 2>blackface and the crowd would find it charming. It's that

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the show the uh huh, the yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>how else do you think people were behaving? That might

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<v Speaker 2>not make it the most appealing across the spectrum. One

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<v Speaker 2>of my best friends was lucky enough to be born

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<v Speaker 2>both black and gay and in Boston, and after watch

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<v Speaker 2>during one episode, he said to me, why do I

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<v Speaker 2>need reminding how terrible white people were fifty years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dealing with this shit now, so I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, however, it's probably a good thing that

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<v Speaker 2>a wildly popular show was stating plainly, what a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of halcyon memories about the sixty we're obscuring? Those are

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<v Speaker 2>the halcyon memories most boomers have been shoveling in our

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<v Speaker 2>direction just as soon as they got themselves into a

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<v Speaker 2>hardware store. And there are dozens of portrayals of societal

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<v Speaker 2>upheaval that are worth examining on the show. But the

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<v Speaker 2>fact is there isn't a whole lot of time here

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<v Speaker 2>in the round up, And quite frankly, I'm not that deep.

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<v Speaker 2>But upon re emerging from this mad Men hole, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>never actually be all the way out of it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like fourteen oh eight. Even if I leave Lucky Strike,

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<v Speaker 2>I can never leave Lucky Strike. I was struck by

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<v Speaker 2>the excellent stories of the women of Mad Men, the

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<v Speaker 2>Big three, starting with Joan Holloway. Joan Holloway is the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect woman. Now Christina Hendrix, who plays her, although she's

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<v Speaker 2>about ninety percent of that reason. I'm talking about Joan, efficient,

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<v Speaker 2>whip smart, a full partner at one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>ad agencies on Madison Avenue and therefore the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>she can play the accordion and you know, love av

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<v Speaker 2>a voom. I know this paints me as piggish as

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<v Speaker 2>the men being skewered on this show, but my god,

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<v Speaker 2>she out Jessica Rabbit's Jessica Rabbit. In fact, in the

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<v Speaker 2>first season, there's an ad campaign that's predicated on the

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<v Speaker 2>notion that every woman is either a Jackie Kennedy or

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<v Speaker 2>a Marilyn Monroe. One of the copywriters asserts that Marilyn

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a Joan, and you're fucking right she is.

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<v Speaker 2>Jon's story is the chronicle of the single mom, working

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<v Speaker 2>woman of the sixties and all the dodging and weaving,

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<v Speaker 2>of all the casual objectification and rampant misogyny firing off

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<v Speaker 2>from every direction. Let's not forget how Joan gets that partnership,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you don't know. I'm going spoiler light here for

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<v Speaker 2>this show that's been off the air for a decade,

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<v Speaker 2>because I sincerely hope if you haven't watched it and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know, or if you're gonna rewatch it and

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember that, I'm not ruined anything before you, but

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this. Joan is the keenest observer of

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<v Speaker 2>human behavior on the show, way more so than Don Draper.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't read a room so much as nazzle it

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<v Speaker 2>into submission. Joan knows she has consistent terrible taste in men,

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<v Speaker 2>but she knows what makes them tick. This is Joan

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<v Speaker 2>dressing down pseudo bohemian and overall blowhard Paul Kinsey in

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<v Speaker 2>the second season, after it's been revealed dramatically by Kinsey

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<v Speaker 2>that he's dating an African American grocery store cashier.

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<v Speaker 5>Mister Kinsey, there's something wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm avoiding you?

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<v Speaker 5>Or haven't you noticed that after three days?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you worried about the typewriter?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to tell anyone. Although you were so brazen,

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<v Speaker 5>you don't deserve clemency. What did you say to Sheila?

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<v Speaker 3>Who Chila?

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<v Speaker 5>My girlfriend, describe her to me very funny. I know

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<v Speaker 5>it's first on the list.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I knew you were a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not a phony you're so proud of It's so

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<v Speaker 5>obvious why you're seeing her a supermarket checkout girl. Conversation

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<v Speaker 5>must be stimulating. Let us cost a nickel.

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<v Speaker 4>What a relief.

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<v Speaker 5>You're just jealous because you're the one who goes away.

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<v Speaker 5>You out there in your poor little rich boy apartment

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<v Speaker 5>in Newark or wherever, walking around with your pipe and

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<v Speaker 5>your beard, falling in love with that girl, just to

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<v Speaker 5>show how interesting you are. Go ahead, what part is wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>I think even Christina Hendrix mistook that speech as proof

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<v Speaker 2>of Jones of racism, when in fact it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Joan throwing light on white, liberal, well meaning racism,

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<v Speaker 2>giving literally nothing back on paper. Joan only ever had

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<v Speaker 2>a chance of getting to the point where we meet

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<v Speaker 2>her in the pilot head of the secretary pool, with

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<v Speaker 2>an eye toward marrying some wealthy executive and dispensing dating

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<v Speaker 2>advice alongside where to find the typewriter ribbons advice. She

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<v Speaker 2>spends a goodly portion of the first season dispensing to

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<v Speaker 2>the second of the big three women of mad Men. Overall,

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<v Speaker 2>the series itself is concerned with its own big three.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Don Draper at the center and two recently hired

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<v Speaker 2>employees when the series begins. Those are junior accounts executive

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<v Speaker 2>Peggy Olson, played by Handmaid's Tail and invisible man Stomper

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Moss. Peggy takes to her new position in the

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<v Speaker 2>traditionally male dominated feel of copywriting like a duck to water,

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<v Speaker 2>but not duck Phillips. I will never forgive you for

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<v Speaker 2>turning your dog loose on the streets of Manhattan. Duck,

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<v Speaker 2>What's wrong with you? Peggy is one of the few

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<v Speaker 2>characters depicted on the show with a real world counterpart.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be Mary Wells Lawrence. She died last year

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of ninety six, which means Peggy Olson

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<v Speaker 2>was bound to have outlived everyone from Sterling Cooper, including

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<v Speaker 2>those kids. They all had heads full of bad wiring.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any hope that those kids were going

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<v Speaker 2>PLoP plomp, PiZZ phizz for Alca, Seltzer or Ford. Quality

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<v Speaker 2>the wildly simple and yet fucking indelible I Love New York.

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<v Speaker 2>The I Heart NY logo is Mary Wells Lawrence. Like Joan,

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<v Speaker 2>Peggy transcends her occupation and the station in life society

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<v Speaker 2>glimpses of not just the underground in avant garde art

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<v Speaker 2>scenes of New York, but as perhaps the poorest character

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, he delivers a lot of the class

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<v Speaker 2>struggle plot lines of the nineteen sixties, and while spoiling nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>Peggy's romantic outcome is particularly sweet. Artists and writers belong together,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has one of my favorite scenes in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole show. The Agency is switching buildings, leaving the old

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<v Speaker 2>one a shell except for a lot of broken drywall,

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<v Speaker 2>fallen ceiling tiles, and an electric organ. Mad Men's resident

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<v Speaker 2>rake Roger Sterling, ends up playing that organ while Peggy

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<v Speaker 2>glides room to room on roller skates. It's breathtaking Peggy

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<v Speaker 2>in the first season is also the guinea pig and

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<v Speaker 2>first victim of mad Men's crazy adherence to fat suits.

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<v Speaker 2>It would improve in future season, both in the padding

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<v Speaker 2>and the prosthetics on the face of Miss Betty Draper.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember fat suit Betty? Don't you? Whoa fat Betty

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<v Speaker 2>rayam malamlamb? Whoa fat Betty rayam alamb Missus Betty Draper

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<v Speaker 2>or missus Betty Harris, Let's just call her Betty. She

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<v Speaker 2>is played by non human Luminosity. In January Jones, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up, Marvel? You got room in your multiverse for Electra,

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<v Speaker 2>who no one ever cared about, and none for Emma Frost,

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<v Speaker 2>who no one has ever cared about. You know who

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<v Speaker 2>else was in the first class with miss Jones, Kevin Bacon.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Bacon is part of the MCU. At any point

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, Kevin Figy can bring home the Bacon.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I mention? We have a Patreon channel Patreon dot

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<v Speaker 2>com slash father alone where you will get episodes early

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<v Speaker 2>and free from fucking terrible jokes like that. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna indulge in what the kids are are calling kids

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<v Speaker 2>being people in their thirties. A hot take Betty Draper

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<v Speaker 2>is the best character on mad Men. Oh I know, boo,

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<v Speaker 2>she's awful. Well, you can piss up a rope, you pricks.

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<v Speaker 2>Betty Draper is the pinnacle and the tragedy of American advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to get down to them, brass tacks. Don

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<v Speaker 2>Draper starts out as a dirt poor farmer's orphan. He's

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<v Speaker 2>raised in a whorehouse, and then he assumes another man's identity,

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<v Speaker 2>eventually becoming an ad executive. The reinvention that he represents

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<v Speaker 2>and the advertising that promises it is the pointed theme

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<v Speaker 2>of the show. But Betty is the only true victim

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<v Speaker 2>of advertising, because the America that Madison Avenue kept screaming

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<v Speaker 2>about during the forties and fifties had a rapidly decaying

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<v Speaker 2>shelf life. And while the generation just below her would

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<v Speaker 2>make a meal of rejecting all of those ideals they'd

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<v Speaker 2>been sold, it was too late for Betty. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>the pearls, she's got the tiny soaps shaped like seashells,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's got her own horse and a stable. Benny

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<v Speaker 2>is an easy character to hate outright. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>did the first time I watched the show, until I

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<v Speaker 2>really figured out who the villains were. I thought Betty

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<v Speaker 2>was a nag, and I thought she brought down the

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<v Speaker 2>good times with pitdling complaints like the total lack of

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<v Speaker 2>fidelity of her partner, or frankly, any support from him

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<v Speaker 2>at all. But on Rewatch, I was quickly on Betty's side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she can be stringent with Sally and Bobby and even Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's too old fashion at times, and she's never

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<v Speaker 2>going to be hip or clued into current culture. But

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<v Speaker 2>all those fantasies of what America should have been in

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<v Speaker 2>the fifties, which on the surface are pretty fucking great fantasies,

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<v Speaker 2>are fantasies only except in Betty. She's the anthropomorphized American fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly quaffed, perfectly styled, loves her man, loves her kids,

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<v Speaker 2>loves her home, and loves showing them all off. Betty

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<v Speaker 2>embodies that ideal. She's carrying that torch long after the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of America has collectively blown out the flame. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a beautiful sorrow in watching such an otherworldly creature

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<v Speaker 2>absorb so much of the worst that times have to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>And as one who's kind of always felt this way,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a great representative of the character who has out

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<v Speaker 2>lived their time. She would fit in with the Wild

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<v Speaker 2>Bunch or film projectionists. Part of my admiration for Betty

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<v Speaker 2>as a character, a lot of it, if I'm being honest,

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<v Speaker 2>is because of the performance of January Jones. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>more I enjoy than seeing an actor thinking on screen,

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<v Speaker 2>not just thinking, but coming to a definite conclusion. Watch

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<v Speaker 2>any Spielberg film, You're likely to find a shot nestled

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<v Speaker 2>in there somewhere like Doctor Jones. We're talking about January

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<v Speaker 2>Jones here. January Jones is a fucking master of a reaction,

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<v Speaker 2>mistress of reaction. She's fucking amazing at reacting. Now, given

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<v Speaker 2>most actors will tell you acting is reacting, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty fucking great skill to have, particularly the way she

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<v Speaker 2>employs it. It's one of the few performances I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>seen where a character is not thinking of some labyrinthine plan.

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<v Speaker 2>She's thinking of the next thing she's going to say,

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<v Speaker 2>not I can't remember my lines. It's Betty Draper confused

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<v Speaker 2>or angry or engage, listening to what's being said, absorbing

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<v Speaker 2>and reacting. There are so many fucking gunslingers in this cast,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as talent is easy to overlook subtlety. But

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<v Speaker 2>the next time you watch or rewatch, keep an eye

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<v Speaker 2>on her. A different kind of value, a different kind

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<v Speaker 2>of value pervs. Now, before we leave these madmen, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a fake term made up for the show. It gets

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<v Speaker 2>a pass because the whole series is based on deception,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a writer's creation. No one, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>has ever broken bad fake term. You're more likely to

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<v Speaker 2>gleam the cube, you know what. And along those lines,

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<v Speaker 2>even the most ardent John Hughes apologist has to admit

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<v Speaker 2>that Neo Maxi Zoom Dweeby was a whole cloth creation

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<v Speaker 2>of some forty year old dude. And it makes Bender

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<v Speaker 2>lame when he says it. Anyway, before we move on,

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<v Speaker 2>I said we'd get back to Pete Campbell, the other

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<v Speaker 2>third of the unholy Triumvirate at the series center. Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell is awful. He's at times racist and sexist and

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<v Speaker 2>petty and cruel. He's told in the pilot he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to end up bitter and bald and alone because no

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<v Speaker 2>one likes him. He ends up bald anyway, a fact

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<v Speaker 2>of which I'd like to share Vincent Cartheiser, who plays

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Campbell, instructed hair and makeup to shave back his

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<v Speaker 2>hairline a little more each year at the start of

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<v Speaker 2>each season to mark the passage of time and Pete's

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<v Speaker 2>approaching baldness. In the end, he's a shiny marshmallow of

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<v Speaker 2>a man like Benny. I would also like to defend

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Campbell, mostly because I fear I'd be just like

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<v Speaker 2>him in that time period. But I'd also like to

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<v Speaker 2>think that I would evolve the way Pete does. He

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<v Speaker 2>never stops becoming a fuller person, a better human, unlike

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<v Speaker 2>most of his contemporaries. But it's his romance with his wife, Trudy,

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<v Speaker 2>played by Alison Brie that really gives me hope. They

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<v Speaker 2>have every kind of up and down happen to them,

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<v Speaker 2>and they still manage to muddle through as a family,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trudy and Pete in an early season have my

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<v Speaker 2>absolute favorite scene in all of Mad Men. They're attending

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<v Speaker 2>a function when a swing band starts up and they dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching them is pure fucking joy. If you could solidify,

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<v Speaker 2>crush it up, and snort it, you'd be an instant

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<v Speaker 2>millionaire without any advertising required. And you better save me

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<v Speaker 2>some If by somewhere chance you want more of this

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<v Speaker 2>mad Man coverage, please drop me a line and let

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<v Speaker 2>me know. I for one would have a blast getting

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<v Speaker 2>super granular with the show, but that's up to you.

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<v Speaker 2>This Sunday Round Up is going to be back with

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<v Speaker 2>fellow midnight viewing host Chris Stashu and Mike White as

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<v Speaker 2>we take a look at the newest Marvel offering Thunderbolts

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<v Speaker 2>asterisk by the way, two months ago, I told them

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<v Speaker 2>how excited I was for Thunderbolts and the scoffing that

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<v Speaker 2>they uttered could be heard from space. Just to rip

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<v Speaker 2>off a suicide squad tune in Sunday, I guarantee you

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have a different opinion for a little

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<v Speaker 2>miss Ripley gen No no rip speaks this week, maaa

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<v Speaker 2>next week, baby, I am father Malone. Here's Betty Draper

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<v Speaker 2>talking to a nine year old Glenn.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not supposed to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Who says who said that? My mother and my father?

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't care. My mother is going to come out.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care, Glenna. I can't talk to anyone. That's

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<v Speaker 3>so horrible. I'm so sad. Don't cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, please tell me I'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I wish, Hilhold.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Adults don't know anything, Glenn.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't really know how long twenty minutes is.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, h