Speaker 1: The Lapsed Fan presents Under the Cinemat. Yeah, I love
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Speaker 2: We have a movie to make. Can We don't pull
Speaker 2: together here.
Speaker 1: To make movies. Here at the Lapsed Fan, we don't
Speaker 1: do interviews that often, and when we do, it's usually
Speaker 1: for a special reason, and for Under the Cinemat. The
Speaker 1: reason usually is because we can't find the information we
Speaker 1: need about somebody. And that's what happened when we looked
Speaker 1: into Spotlight and it's wrestling connection. That connection is a
Speaker 1: person named Glenn Kine who was a referee for many
Speaker 1: independent promotions in the New England area and other places.
Speaker 1: And we sought him out and we found him and
Speaker 1: I am so thrilled to introduce to you into the
Speaker 1: Lapse Stand Solar System. Glenn kin Welcome, sir, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1: So I got to ask you right off the bat,
Speaker 1: this is the most important thing. How did you get
Speaker 1: involved as a professional wrestling referee?
Speaker 2: Well, It's kind of an interesting story because I started
Speaker 2: out in film. I was working as an extra in
Speaker 2: Boston and happened to meet some other fellow actors who
Speaker 2: invited me out to their wrestling promotion. They said, hey,
Speaker 2: come out and watch us wrestle. And I've been a
Speaker 2: longtime wrestling fan all my life, you know, way back
Speaker 2: to the days in WWE. So I went out to
Speaker 2: their event and took my camera with me and took
Speaker 2: pictures of my friends, and one of the wrestling trainers
Speaker 2: that ran a wrestling school liked my pictures so much
Speaker 2: he said, hey, if you'll come and take pictures, we'll
Speaker 2: train you if you want to come and just work out,
Speaker 2: and I said, sure, I'll come and work out, like.
Speaker 1: To get to get in the ring, like to actually wrestle.
Speaker 2: Just to get a quote unquote workout in. And then
Speaker 2: they came time when they were trying to promote an
Speaker 2: upcoming event at an outdoor as weird as it sounds,
Speaker 2: flea market, and they didn't have a referee show up,
Speaker 2: so I was thrust into the ring with no actual
Speaker 2: preparation to be a professional ref and finished. The event
Speaker 2: was about eight matches and some of the wrestlers came
Speaker 2: up to me and said, Wow, how long have you
Speaker 2: been doing this? I went never.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: They were like, you couldn't have You can't possibly have
Speaker 2: never been a professional wrestling referee before because you did
Speaker 2: everything you're supposed to. You're supposed to be part of
Speaker 2: the story, but not in it, right. And from that
Speaker 2: point forward I started training to be a professional wrestling
Speaker 2: referee as well as my full time job as a
Speaker 2: school teacher and then doing acting on the side.
Speaker 3: Now, Glenn, did did your lifetime of being a fan?
Speaker 3: Basically there's some muscle memory there just watching refs operate
Speaker 3: all those years.
Speaker 2: It did, you know, watching those guys be part of
Speaker 2: the story. And you know, coming from an acting background,
Speaker 2: I knew that I had to be part of that
Speaker 2: storytelling without taking away from the true performers that were
Speaker 2: in there. Love and I think in my career one
Speaker 2: of the biggest compliments I ever got was actually from
Speaker 2: Roddy Piper Wow who after a match because I refed
Speaker 2: his son Colt in a match and I asked him,
Speaker 2: you know, I got his feedback and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: how did I do? And he said, you did everything
Speaker 2: you had to And I didn't notice you, which is
Speaker 2: exactly what I want.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, Glenn. How did you get how did you
Speaker 3: know what the finishes were if you'd never been a
Speaker 3: ref before? And tell you out of time.
Speaker 1: Did they give you.
Speaker 3: A little little ignit during the match or what?
Speaker 2: Just kind of Some of the guys that I was
Speaker 2: working with are old school and it's just on the fly.
Speaker 2: They just give you that nod, that wink here we go,
Speaker 2: and they would go here we go.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you ever have to hand handy guy a blade?
Speaker 2: I did. I worked for a promotion called Big Time Wrestling,
Speaker 2: which is out of New England.
Speaker 1: But I, you know, I don't know if I if
Speaker 1: I in our in our in our messaging back and forth,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever said both Jack and
Speaker 1: I are New Englanders, pretty familiar with all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Ah, so you're you're probably familiar with many of the
Speaker 2: organizations I've worked with. I worked with uh top Row Promotions,
Speaker 2: I worked with any cw V, CWNY w UFO, which
Speaker 2: is an interesting organization, and then uh, you know, I
Speaker 2: moved up to working with n w A on Fire
Speaker 2: up in Maine, and so a lot of guys that
Speaker 2: have moved on to much bigger and better things, And.
Speaker 3: You were saying about passing the blade.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So I was in a match in Lynn, Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and I was in a match with the owner of
Speaker 2: Big Time Wrestling against Tony Atlas.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: He came to me, He goes, I'm gonna be blading
Speaker 2: during this match and I can't carry it. You're responsible
Speaker 2: for it. Okay, how do I hang on to this
Speaker 2: without cutting myself? But we managed to do it. He
Speaker 2: got his blading in, we did our thing, and at
Speaker 2: the end of the night, Tony Atlas got his arm
Speaker 2: raised and we went home.
Speaker 3: That's great, That's absolutely amazing. Did you have any run
Speaker 3: ins with Massachusetts native John Cena. I'm sure you'd run
Speaker 3: into his dad more than once.
Speaker 2: Actually, John Cena Senior and I became actually very friends.
Speaker 2: The initial man that trained me and invited me out
Speaker 2: Jason Rumble, who was a former nw A light heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2: When his dad passed away, John Cena Senior came and
Speaker 2: did the eulogy at his memorial mass and John Cena
Speaker 2: Senior and I got to be pretty good friends. With
Speaker 2: MWF Wrestling, which used to be in Melrose's Did.
Speaker 1: You ever was did you ever work Yankee Pro Wrestling?
Speaker 2: I believe it or not. I've worked with everybody with
Speaker 2: that organization, but not directly with that organization.
Speaker 3: We went to one Yes shortly after we became friends.
Speaker 3: We really roughed it at one of those events that
Speaker 3: was those as India as it gets.
Speaker 1: It was in the behind a supermarket, right it was.
Speaker 3: It was like a shopping plaza.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've We've done it everywhere, you know. We
Speaker 2: did it at a campground, we did children's birthday parties,
Speaker 2: you name it. When you're an independent person, you'll go
Speaker 2: anywhere for a couple of bucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah you say that again, Glenn Caane. I mean, come on, now,
Speaker 3: what's your middle name? Jacobs? Glenn?
Speaker 2: It is not that's that's the weird thing is matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I just did security at a comic con
Speaker 2: and uh, mister Jacobs was actually there.
Speaker 1: Oh no kidding, Oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: Did you accoose you of stealing this gammick or what?
Speaker 2: No, I accused him of stealing mine, because that's fair.
Speaker 2: That's fair, because you know, as a school teacher, there
Speaker 2: is no pains without cane.
Speaker 3: I'll say that again if you're not a school teacher.
Speaker 1: Because because Glenn here had the cane gimmick before before
Speaker 1: Glenn Jacobs did so definitely, Yeah, see him taking that.
Speaker 1: That's that is absolutely tremendous. How many years did you
Speaker 1: do a refereeing a refereeing?
Speaker 2: I was probably a referee for about nine ten years.
Speaker 1: So you're like, you're season pro.
Speaker 2: No, it's just I got old fast, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I joined like Diamond Dallas Page. I joined wrestling late
Speaker 2: in my athletic career. I joined at age forty two.
Speaker 3: Wow, Oh that's going to that's gonna put a beating
Speaker 3: on you. I mean, people don't talk about that enough. Glenn.
Speaker 3: How physically demanding it can be to be a referee.
Speaker 3: No one thinks about it. But I was reading Earl
Speaker 3: Hebner's book and he's all messed up, the poor guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Earl is Earl. Earl is messed up and a
Speaker 2: joy to hang around. I was lucky enough through top
Speaker 2: Row Promotions to get hooked up with TNA Wrestling when
Speaker 2: they used to go out on the road and do
Speaker 2: house shows, and I got to spend time talking to Earle.
Speaker 2: Who you know to this day sells t shirts that
Speaker 2: says I screwed Brett.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think was he wearing one at when
Speaker 1: we in Philly last year. I don't remember when we
Speaker 1: surprised me, but I don't know. Yeah, that was funny, but.
Speaker 3: It takes a toll. I mean, especially if you start
Speaker 3: at forty two knees back right, el elbows yep.
Speaker 2: And you know, when you're on the independent circuit, working
Speaker 2: with varying degrees of experience and training, you know, accidents happened.
Speaker 2: I had a wrestler who assured me he was trained
Speaker 2: by this wonderful gentleman out of Philadelphia. They called for
Speaker 2: a spot where the referee was going to take a
Speaker 2: a book to the forehead so I could totally prep,
Speaker 2: you know, take the shot if I needed to get
Speaker 2: my hand in the way if I felt uncomfortable, and
Speaker 2: he totally screwed it up and chipped my cheekbone.
Speaker 1: That's another one.
Speaker 3: Hit you with a book like a hardcover book.
Speaker 2: Yes, a hardcover book like a thick Harry Potter one.
Speaker 2: But I was you know, I come from a background
Speaker 2: of doing stunt, live stunt work.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I grew up in western New York.
Speaker 1: Where Buffalo aia right, was a Buffalaria.
Speaker 2: Yes, in the Buffalo area where I am actually presently,
Speaker 2: And there was a famous theme park here in western
Speaker 2: New York that had a Wild West shootout four times
Speaker 2: a day, seven days a week. And my dream was
Speaker 2: to be one of those cowboys getting shot and fighting.
Speaker 2: And at age twenty six, I became one of them. Wow.
Speaker 2: So I knew what to expect. I knew, you know,
Speaker 2: what stunt work entailed, and I was totally prepared for
Speaker 2: it and then everything went wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, that actually adds a big piece to why you
Speaker 3: were able to take to being a referee. So naturally
Speaker 3: means that's a bit of pantomime. They're a little bit
Speaker 3: of a live action stunt work. So, Buffalo, did you
Speaker 3: grow up going to the War Memorial or what was
Speaker 3: your wrestling heritage growing up?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely. You know I would always beg my dad
Speaker 2: to take me to professional wrestling at War Memorial Auditorium.
Speaker 2: You know, way I'm old, so way back in the day,
Speaker 2: and my dad was like, first of all, it's all fake.
Speaker 2: I went, not SA and he goes, and you know,
Speaker 2: I had one of those wrestlers in my bank. I
Speaker 2: went who was in the bank. My dad used to
Speaker 2: work for a bank in Batavia and they had Haystacks
Speaker 2: Calhoun come in what to do some banking, sat in
Speaker 2: a chair and got stuck. But I've always been intrigued
Speaker 2: by I had always been in love with it. I
Speaker 2: saw Tito Santana win the tag team Championship against Demolition
Speaker 2: here in Here and War Memorial against Demolition a strike force,
Speaker 2: and little did I know that about twenty six years
Speaker 2: later I would be in the ring with Tito Santana
Speaker 2: an independent event, and then I did a Make a
Speaker 2: Wish event where both members of Demolition and I had
Speaker 2: the most fun ever picking on a local tag team.
Speaker 1: I need more than that.
Speaker 2: What happened there, Well, there was a young boy who's
Speaker 2: actually now a professional wrestling announcer and commentator, but his
Speaker 2: family he was always in love with professional wrestling. He
Speaker 2: would come to all the New England promotions want to
Speaker 2: meet wrestlers, and his goal was to do a Make
Speaker 2: a Wish wrestling event to raise money for cancer patient,
Speaker 2: cancer children and things like that for Make a Wish
Speaker 2: and he actually put together a card that included the
Speaker 2: Boogeyman Demolition. You know all these big name people and
Speaker 2: then they needed some local guys to kind of fill
Speaker 2: out everything else. Well, the tag team that was supposed
Speaker 2: to take on Demolition backed out. I managed to call
Speaker 2: one of my local guys and said, hey, would you
Speaker 2: like to wrestle them Demolition? They went, wait, we get
Speaker 2: to wrestle at w WE Hall of Famers. Yes, sign
Speaker 2: us up. I said, you're not going to get paid
Speaker 2: because it's a makeup. Wish said, we don't care. So
Speaker 2: we got in the ring and they're doing their thing,
Speaker 2: and you know, uh, acts starts gouging the guy's eye
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, no, no, you can't out the eye.
Speaker 2: Oh I can't couch the I can I Can I
Speaker 2: bite them? No no, no, you can't bite them. Can
Speaker 2: I fish hook them? No? No, no, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's just back and forth and then he goes, can
Speaker 2: I punch him? I'm like, well yeah, he goes, oh good.
Speaker 2: And it was just that old school wrestling. You know.
Speaker 2: That event also had Shark Boy.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, who?
Speaker 2: Uh said to me before the match, you know I'm
Speaker 2: going to bite the guy, right, I said, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: part of your gimmick.
Speaker 3: He goes he was saying don't disqualify me, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not. The last event he had done
Speaker 2: prior to that a referee to squal food.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's like disqualifying the Bushwhackers for licking somebody.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and those boys are a joy.
Speaker 3: So Bill, bill IDE's voice or Edie's voice is not
Speaker 3: really like that, is it.
Speaker 2: Bill's. Bill is a very soft spoken guy. He really is.
Speaker 2: He was just in Buffalo last year for Nickel Citycon
Speaker 2: both Axe and Smash, And it's fun having conversations with
Speaker 2: those guys, you know, because they're old school. They love
Speaker 2: the storytelling part. You know, it's not all about the
Speaker 2: high flying. It's about telling that story and you know,
Speaker 2: getting that audience, you know, engaged, getting them there and
Speaker 2: then backing off. A certain Dudley boy said, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like sex. Yeah, takes hope of that CLIMAXX.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just one more and on the refing unless you
Speaker 3: have some more JP before we moved to spotlight. But
Speaker 3: I'd love to ask you, Glenn, do you ever have
Speaker 3: a circumstance where you had to put the boots to
Speaker 3: a fan who hit the ring? That's always my favorite
Speaker 3: referee stories, believe.
Speaker 2: It or not. We haven't. I know it. In the
Speaker 2: Independent League you always see you always have those rowdy fans.
Speaker 2: But the nice thing about the New England fans they
Speaker 2: were very mouthy. They weren't very handsy, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: unless we allowed them to be. But I did just
Speaker 2: recently do uh security for Monday Night Raw when it
Speaker 2: came to Buffalo and they put me right next to
Speaker 2: the stage. And the head of security comes by and
Speaker 2: he goes, you're on the hot corner. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: no hot corner of the stage. Do you know what
Speaker 2: that means? I say, yeah, I need to watch them.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, the last guy came out of the
Speaker 2: stands from your side. I said, oh, you mean Seth
Speaker 2: Orleans when it got run over by the fanny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't like that. People remember that.
Speaker 2: But yes, no that's not happening.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 2: But it's it's I I would say, I've you know,
Speaker 2: in my short career, I got to work with some
Speaker 2: really wonderful people. I had, you know, I've got some
Speaker 2: great stories. You know when Billy Gunn and he goes
Speaker 2: in the dressing room, goes, I'm your referee, and he
Speaker 2: goes Damn, you're big. I'm gonna have to hate you hard.
Speaker 3: There the match called for a ref lump the ref.
Speaker 2: The match called for two of them. The first one
Speaker 2: was Billy going for his famouser Scott Steiner, tossing him
Speaker 2: away and into the referee, taking a full forearm from oh,
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five pounds, a Billy gun crashing,
Speaker 2: Scott coming over and shaking me and sayf ref, are
Speaker 2: you okay? And then bashing my head into the corner
Speaker 2: turn and tuggle just for fun. Uh. And then you're.
Speaker 3: Saying Scott was supposed to do that? That isn't just
Speaker 3: Scott being Scott.
Speaker 2: No, after the match was Scott being Scott. The match
Speaker 2: ended the way it was supposed to, with Billy Gunn
Speaker 2: getting his arm raised and Scott being Scott, very upset
Speaker 2: that he was cheated out of being cheating and for
Speaker 2: a win. And uh. He looked at me and he said,
Speaker 2: are you good to take one more? And I said, Scott, yes,
Speaker 2: just please not over the top rope. And he tossed
Speaker 2: me out of the ring and onto the outfield of
Speaker 2: Syracuse Chiefs Stadium in Syracuse.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's unbelievable. That's that is I listened.
Speaker 1: I can listen to these all day. Honest to god,
Speaker 1: I love I love hearing wrestling stories like this, They're
Speaker 1: so amazing. But I wanted I did want to ask, so, uh, uh,
Speaker 1: you correct me if I'm wrong. You went to ken
Speaker 1: Moore West High School? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, did you do any athletics while you there?
Speaker 1: While you're growing up in high school?
Speaker 2: I played, uh, soccer, but my main sport was hockey.
Speaker 1: Okay? Oh so you even even had it there too,
Speaker 1: Like you had the be able to absorb impact and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So yeah, there's stunt work and then referee.
Speaker 1: It totally makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I gave my mother and sister
Speaker 2: horror dreams for years getting my faith bashed in in
Speaker 2: high school hockey.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, oh that's wild and uh And
Speaker 1: then you went to Notre Dame University, correct I did? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What did you do sports there? Too?
Speaker 2: What was there? What was I was just smart enough,
Speaker 2: not too uh, I'm too small to play football, but
Speaker 2: I was smart enough to make all of them my friends.
Speaker 1: Well, you didn't want to be like a rooty type
Speaker 1: and just get on there and just get on the
Speaker 1: one point. No.
Speaker 2: The matter of fact, my students that I had early
Speaker 2: on in my teaching career said, well, you went to Nardine,
Speaker 2: did you play football? I said, I'm too little And
Speaker 2: they look at me and they're like, you're you're six
Speaker 2: foot you're two and twenty five pounds. What do you
Speaker 2: mean you're too little? Like my roommate who plays for
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, is six foot two oh two with
Speaker 2: two percent body fat. Yeah, I'm little.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know hey, hey said Calhoun was too
Speaker 3: little too until he stepped on your at your dad's
Speaker 3: bank branch there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh wow, I'll I will give you quickly because
Speaker 2: I don't want to get too far off before we
Speaker 2: get to spotlight and movie, be far off.
Speaker 1: Listen, we love well. Do you want to take it? Man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to take tangents.
Speaker 2: When I when I was in Buffalo working in radio,
Speaker 2: I also did some sound work for a local band
Speaker 2: who happened to be playing at the at the Hilton
Speaker 2: right next to War Memorial Auditorium. There happened to be
Speaker 2: a WWE event there that night. In the back of the.
Speaker 1: Room, what what what year are we talking?
Speaker 2: Oh god, probably around nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine, somewhere
Speaker 2: in there, and Jesse Ventura came in the back.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's exactually what I like to be in the
Speaker 1: back damn right.
Speaker 2: Had a couple of beers moved on. Unfortunately there was
Speaker 2: a much larger individual but wanted to be the center
Speaker 2: of attention. Walked straight to the bar, won Andre.
Speaker 1: The Giant, I love it, I love it?
Speaker 2: Who the young singer in the band that was performing,
Speaker 2: was so ecstatic that he wanted to meet Andre the
Speaker 2: Giant ran up to him and put his hands on him,
Speaker 2: which is as much as Andre loved his fans, he
Speaker 2: did not like to be touched. He kind of swung
Speaker 2: his arm at the young singer, who backed up and went,
Speaker 2: can I get you a drink? Is there anything you want?
Speaker 2: And in his deep, gravelly voice, girl to sing? Some
Speaker 2: woman he was with. He wanted her to sing with
Speaker 2: the band. They didn't deny him.
Speaker 1: You're not going to for sure?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 1: Did did you? Did you witness his his his legendary drinking.
Speaker 2: He had a he had, believe it or not, just
Speaker 2: a couple of glasses of wine when he was there,
Speaker 2: not a couple of bottles, just glasses, all right. But
Speaker 2: I found out years later talking to Ted Dbiassi, that
Speaker 2: Andre loved his fans, but he hated being crowded because
Speaker 2: everything was crowded in his life.
Speaker 1: Of course, Oh my god, everything everything is closer, everything,
Speaker 1: everything's a little tighter when you're that size.
Speaker 3: For Glenn must have been in significant pain.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, you know, And it's it's it's been interesting,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so you mentioned radio that I did not
Speaker 1: find about you. So tell me about telling about your
Speaker 1: radio work. I'm fast again, fascinated about the whole, the
Speaker 1: whole story.
Speaker 2: I have been. I was a radio produce, sure in
Speaker 2: the mid eighties after leaving Notre Dame, and I was
Speaker 2: lucky enough to work with such radio legends as Ted
Speaker 2: Darling and Rick Jennerett in Buffalo and it was a
Speaker 2: wonderful experience. And when I moved back to Buffalo, I
Speaker 2: got to work with RJ in his last years. So
Speaker 2: sometimes life comes full circle.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, did wrestlers ever come through the station, Glenn.
Speaker 2: Through our station. No, they come through my key Bank
Speaker 2: Center on a regular basis. Sure, good, yep, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh so radio work. And then I know you did
Speaker 1: some some stage work I read unless it's another Glenn Kane,
Speaker 1: But ye, did you do Plaza Suite at the tr
Speaker 1: Homestead restaurant in theater?
Speaker 2: Oh? God, yeah, tr Homestead. That's a whole interesting thing.
Speaker 2: It was a family restaurant in the front and a
Speaker 2: dinner theater in the back, run by two brothers. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: who put on for such a small theater, wonderful shows.
Speaker 2: But they were for the Niagara Falls bus tour type
Speaker 2: people that would come in and want dinner and a
Speaker 2: show for forty five bucks.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's that is Like, so how big
Speaker 1: was it? How big was the space? Because you know,
Speaker 1: you say, in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, you get
Speaker 1: a restaurant, but then like they almost added on a
Speaker 1: theater in the back to do dinner and do a
Speaker 1: dinner theater.
Speaker 2: But I think it's sat one hundred and eighty people.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's pretty tight. That's a that's a pretty like
Speaker 1: you're you're you're like right on top of people.
Speaker 2: Yep. This Oh in Plaza Suite. You're familiar with the
Speaker 2: show because you have a theater background. There's a big
Speaker 2: fight between the husband and wife. Yes, the cheating husband
Speaker 2: and the you know, the wonderful wife, And as he
Speaker 2: is about to walk out the door, she says, no, God,
Speaker 2: damn it, we're going to talk about it now. There
Speaker 2: was a woman in the front row that looked right
Speaker 2: at me and she said, you tell him, honey.
Speaker 3: Thought I thought there was only marks at the wrestling shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, oh no, there are marks in every theater.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's tremendous. I love that. The
Speaker 1: now also too, we're talking theater too. So Jack, we
Speaker 1: have Glenn and I have mutual friends, and one specifically
Speaker 1: is Paul Vote. Who I did? I think I've talked
Speaker 1: about it on the show Hairspray and Aladdin with back
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Now, you grew up with them, you
Speaker 1: told me, right.
Speaker 2: I did? My brother Peter, Peter and Paul no.
Speaker 1: Marry though they should have a Mary. The should have
Speaker 1: had a I don't know. I don't know they had
Speaker 1: a sister, but they should have had a marry They
Speaker 1: should have had a Mary Vote as well. Is they
Speaker 1: have Peter Paul Maery.
Speaker 2: Out of the out of the ten children she had,
Speaker 2: the Peter and Paul are the youngest. That's wild in
Speaker 2: that family.
Speaker 3: The next one would have been merry, I got it?
Speaker 1: Okay, right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So like did you did you? Were they in the
Speaker 1: same high school? Do they go? Like? How did that
Speaker 1: all play?
Speaker 2: They actually went to the high school. Our school district
Speaker 2: was so big we have two high schools, and it
Speaker 2: depended on which side of the tracks you lived as
Speaker 2: to which high school you went to. They went to
Speaker 2: the opposing high school. But in the summer are the
Speaker 2: theater and English teacher at ken mo Or West ran
Speaker 2: a summer theater program called the Kenton Summer Musical Theater Workshop,
Speaker 2: and anybody that lived within the strict was free to
Speaker 2: come and try out and be in the shows. And
Speaker 2: Peter and Paul were in it. I ended up working
Speaker 2: with them for probably about four years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: During that time, you know, and and we graduated some
Speaker 2: you know, well Peter and Paul first of all, some
Speaker 2: pretty phenomenal people, including the original Michaelangelo from The Ninja
Speaker 2: Turtles was in the first couple of shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing, was I was. I grew up with
Speaker 1: the Ninja Turtles. That's like my when they when they
Speaker 1: first came out on television and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: then the movies and stuff that's all my my bread
Speaker 1: and butter right there.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Misha who's gone on to he Mishan went
Speaker 2: on to do Broadway with Bette Midler. He was a
Speaker 2: middler on the roof, but got involved with Disney and
Speaker 2: Henson Productions and puppeteering. He's still doing a bit of
Speaker 2: it now. He just did the Doctor Mayhem Show for
Speaker 2: the Disney Channel. He did puppeteering for that. Well, we're
Speaker 2: a pretty strong theater community.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, it's funny. You know, my
Speaker 1: daughter is right at the age where she is kind
Speaker 1: of watching a lot of those Disney sitcoms and stuff
Speaker 1: from kind of the late nineties, early two thousands and
Speaker 1: so mid two thousands even, and so I see Paul
Speaker 1: and Peter in so many different things every time, and
Speaker 1: so it's always so funny. So I always messaged I
Speaker 1: didn't know Peter as well as Peter wasn't in the show,
Speaker 1: but I understudied Paul and so I I, you know,
Speaker 1: we text every now and again, and it's usually me saying,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I just saw you on a thing
Speaker 1: that my daughter's watching, and so it's always it's always
Speaker 1: very funny to me. And now she even knows that
Speaker 1: you know who he is, and like, oh, that's your friend. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's it. There he is. He's there again. You give
Speaker 1: him a little bit extra money in his paycheck this
Speaker 1: this month. So that's good.
Speaker 2: Nuts for Princess Diaries. Princess Diaries too.
Speaker 1: We did. Yeah, we just watched them actually for the
Speaker 1: first time, like a month ago. We watched both of
Speaker 1: them and so yeah, because he's in that yep, then
Speaker 1: there was are they both and they're both in that
Speaker 1: one right?
Speaker 2: Yes? They in the when Anne Hathaway announces that she's
Speaker 2: going to turn one of the castles into an orphanage,
Speaker 2: the Paul who's Lord Crowley has a fight with his brother,
Speaker 2: Oh wow, which is really funny because they use the
Speaker 2: Dean and Jerry reference, which for older people, oh my god,
Speaker 2: they're saying Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. But that that scene,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna love. The get out of the bag came
Speaker 2: out of Ann and Gary Marshall seeing Peter and Paul
Speaker 2: chatting and being kidding themselves off camera and said we
Speaker 2: need that on camera.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, you know what, And this is funny. So
Speaker 1: I did. I messaged him right after we saw that
Speaker 1: and I said, I said to him, I said, watching
Speaker 1: you and your brother Vicker was a highlight for me.
Speaker 1: And then he wrote back he said, we can come
Speaker 1: and fight in public for a small fee.
Speaker 3: Sounds a wrestler exactly right, very small fee sometimes just
Speaker 3: for a hot dog.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Brian Knobbs do for twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: He's a LAPS fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and
Speaker 2: Jpisio LAPS Fan Wrestling Podcast.
Speaker 1: What prompted the move to Massachusetts A job job? Absolutely.
Speaker 2: You know, the western New York market in the late
Speaker 2: eighties to early nineties, our population dropped a great deal,
Speaker 2: so teaching and the communications market was growing smaller. And
Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to move to New England, where
Speaker 2: I started out teaching at this crazy outdoor education facility
Speaker 2: that I was lucky enough to have. School principal go,
Speaker 2: I like you, and I'm trying to figure out why
Speaker 2: you have such a good education in your teaching in
Speaker 2: the woods, because my son goes to where you went
Speaker 2: to school, and I want to make sure he I'm
Speaker 2: not wasting all my money for him to be in
Speaker 2: the woods. Yeah, but I got hired, and U moved
Speaker 2: to uh just south of Boston, and there I was
Speaker 2: doing Dinner theater and teaching and carrying on the theater,
Speaker 2: and I was directing at my school.
Speaker 1: You did you did a show in at least at
Speaker 1: least one show, but you did a show at the
Speaker 1: Quincy Dinner Theater, right at least.
Speaker 2: I was a staple at Quincy Dinner for almost four
Speaker 2: and a half years, somehow, involved in every production. That's great, directing,
Speaker 2: lighting in, you name it, I did it.
Speaker 3: It's like must have been go ahead. That must have
Speaker 3: been where you linked up with any c W. You know,
Speaker 3: they used to run the area.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, Quincy Dinner Theater in any CW
Speaker 2: were about probably ten blocks apart. Quintin Dinner Theater was
Speaker 2: run out of the out of a actually a large
Speaker 2: theater that was run by the Masons. It sat four
Speaker 2: hundred people and it was a full stage sized stage,
Speaker 2: four floors of dressing rooms. It was incredible, and unfortunately,
Speaker 2: four years ago was lost to a major fire.
Speaker 1: That's awful. There's a theater like there. Well again they
Speaker 1: well they didn't lose it a fire, but they close
Speaker 1: it down. I don't know if you ever been to
Speaker 1: the Westchester Broadway Theater in Westchester, New York. But it's
Speaker 1: not it was it was my wife performed there a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and it was a beautiful you know,
Speaker 1: it was just it wasn't what I ever experienced at
Speaker 1: dinner theater. I mean, it was like a theater but
Speaker 1: with but you're just sitting at tables. But it's the
Speaker 1: same type of you know, uh, stadium seating type slope
Speaker 1: down into uh what do you call it a thrust stage. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a thrust stage, but almost there in the round,
Speaker 1: but it's where you have audience on three three sides
Speaker 1: instead of four. And uh but yeah, this is sounding
Speaker 1: like that. I never went to Quincy Dinner Theater, but
Speaker 1: it's sounding similar to that.
Speaker 2: That's great, And that sounds a little bit like the
Speaker 2: Riverside Theater is in Boston and they have a thrust
Speaker 2: stage because I don't have a very deep stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. And so I mean you were
Speaker 1: doing this while you were teaching as well.
Speaker 2: Yep. My wife is a costumer and director as well,
Speaker 2: and she came home one evening and said, I know,
Speaker 2: your schedules were really busy and we've been married a year,
Speaker 2: But would you ever audition for a show? I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's the show? She went Gypsy? And I went, why
Speaker 2: she goes? We had only four men audition, and none
Speaker 2: of them they're they're they're quirky, and the rest of
Speaker 2: them are all kind of would be the boys and
Speaker 2: you know, are all college and high school aged kids.
Speaker 2: And I went okay. I walked in and sang and
Speaker 2: did the choreography, the minimal choreography they asked me. And
Speaker 2: the owner of the Quincy Dinner Theater, uh Darling Productions,
Speaker 2: came over and said, Hi, you're terrific. I'd like to
Speaker 2: offer you the rolla Herbie And I went okay. So
Speaker 2: I guess I'm a full time actor at night and
Speaker 2: full time teacher during the day.
Speaker 1: We've been there. I hear you. That's that's that's the
Speaker 1: life right there, in a nutshell, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I couldn't have asked for anything better and any better
Speaker 2: learning experience for a bigger house, live theater than to
Speaker 2: be on stage with a Mama Rose who forgot our lines.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you know do you know the
Speaker 1: show Jack at all? Do you know Gypsy? I don't, okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean.
Speaker 3: No Gypsy.
Speaker 2: Joe Andre McDonald is now playing Gypsy Gypsy's.
Speaker 1: Mother on Broadway. My wife just saw Gypsy is my
Speaker 1: wife's favorite show. So it's it's uh, it's it's one
Speaker 1: that I have seen to you know, both. I guess
Speaker 1: it's wonderful and also a detriment that I've seen it
Speaker 1: or heard it as many times as I have. But
Speaker 1: it's you know, you know, Mama Rose is just the biggest,
Speaker 1: larger than life stage mom you can possibly imagine, and
Speaker 1: she is the focus of the show. It's her show,
Speaker 1: and it's Roses for getting your lines. That's a problem,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And and poor I will say that our Gypsy Rosalie
Speaker 2: was phenomenal. She had come from doing tours in Europe
Speaker 2: and things like that, and had moved to the New
Speaker 2: England area. She'd been in Hair, Germany done and early Aladdin,
Speaker 2: you know, in the in the early nineties. She was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: She's in the middle of her big change to become
Speaker 2: Gypsy Rosalie. Mama was supposed to sing her reprise of
Speaker 2: that You're a man who loves children.
Speaker 1: She brought.
Speaker 2: And then just yells out, you've got to be on stage?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What that's like? Uh, that's like Davy boy showing up
Speaker 3: on crack made too. I mean, my god, Yeah, what
Speaker 3: are you gonna do from there?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: That you got it?
Speaker 3: I don't know if you planned on it, but sounds
Speaker 3: like you were with the Brett Hart in that situation.
Speaker 2: Glenn. Unfortunately, at that point of the show, and I
Speaker 2: know JP knows the show well, Herbie has exited. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gone by and says, I don't love your Rose.
Speaker 1: I'm out. Yeah, it's it's it's Gypsy Rose. Who's gotta
Speaker 1: be Brett Hard in that situation. It's tough. Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 2: She literally was pulling her gloves on, dress not zipped,
Speaker 2: stepping on the stage.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I read it off like a trooper.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love the woman still to death. Today. We're still
Speaker 2: in contact today.
Speaker 1: So do uh now all these were these I'm just
Speaker 1: not I know I know the I know a little
Speaker 1: bit of the Boston theater scene. I have I have
Speaker 1: friends and like again I messaged you. When I messaged you,
Speaker 1: I told you a lot of friends from college who
Speaker 1: are still in the Boston theater scene. Now were these
Speaker 1: all these are all professional houses?
Speaker 2: No, I did. I did theater wherever I could, totally.
Speaker 2: I did dinner theater, I did community theater. I liked
Speaker 2: just you know, I've loved doing theater since I was
Speaker 2: in high school, and I maintained doing it. I still
Speaker 2: do it today.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: What was the first show you ever did?
Speaker 2: First show I ever did where I appeared on stage
Speaker 2: was Fiddler on the Roof. I was I was the
Speaker 2: famous of many others with Peter and Paul playing Jewish
Speaker 2: men and boys.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would have I listen. I would
Speaker 1: I would pay significant money now to go to be
Speaker 1: able to see a to be a fly on the
Speaker 1: wall back then to see this. Absolutely, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Somewhere I have video evidence of Peter playing Horace van
Speaker 2: Degeller while Paul was directing him.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my, that's amazing. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I listen. I'm with you with the love of theater.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I I worked at a theater that
Speaker 1: was a no no pay, this was free. I worked
Speaker 1: at a theater that was in the corner the corner
Speaker 1: of a strip mall an L shaped strip mall all
Speaker 1: fifty seats and the backstage was really to the side
Speaker 1: of the audience, behind plywood, and it was about two
Speaker 1: feet wide. I hear you. You do that for the.
Speaker 2: Love, Yeah, no question. I don't think curtain call theater.
Speaker 2: I saw. I saw the boys there and it's a
Speaker 2: very small thrust stage and there's a scene where the
Speaker 2: boy one of the men comes out of the bathroom.
Speaker 2: It is also the same bathroom. They have to use
Speaker 2: an intermission for the audience.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's oh my god. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing where
Speaker 1: you can yep, absolutely absolutely, I mean you started directing
Speaker 1: shows at the school, right.
Speaker 2: Yes. They came to me my second year because the
Speaker 2: children my first year at Swampscott Middle School, the high
Speaker 2: school was doing sound of music, and which meant they
Speaker 2: needed middle school children to play the children. So they
Speaker 2: found out I had a theater background. They said, can
Speaker 2: you help us and sit in on the auditions. I
Speaker 2: said absolutely, I will, I will help. And my students
Speaker 2: were auditioning and this girl, and I'm gonna say her name,
Speaker 2: Lord Demiko got up and sang beautifully like blew everybody
Speaker 2: out of the water and after the auditions, the director
Speaker 2: from the high school said, well, what do you think
Speaker 2: and I said, okay, I saw the high schoolers, I
Speaker 2: saw my middle schoolers. Your Mother Superior is my seventh grader,
Speaker 2: which she meant, she can't play mother Superior. She's the
Speaker 2: only one that can sing it. Yeah, and she went no.
Speaker 2: So my students went to the principal and said, can
Speaker 2: we do a show and they said, well, maybe talk
Speaker 2: to mister Kane. I have on a talent show. And
Speaker 2: I went, no, good for you talent shows. You need
Speaker 2: a babysitter for I will direct a musical. And they said,
Speaker 2: well what do you think you would direct? I said,
Speaker 2: I just pulled something out of my head and I
Speaker 2: went lots of children, Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: There it is.
Speaker 2: And I pulled it.
Speaker 1: Off and.
Speaker 2: Made I was the first show in I think six
Speaker 2: years that was a musical out there building that was
Speaker 2: in the black.
Speaker 1: Wow, no kidding, no kidding, And that was that was
Speaker 1: March of ninety six.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And I did that for almost twenty years.
Speaker 2: And my proudest moment was of all my years there
Speaker 2: is I went to the Broadway Teacher Workshop in New
Speaker 2: York City. That's what I'm by Mt I and we're
Speaker 2: teachers and theater educators can learn firsthand from Broadway actors, directors, producers,
Speaker 2: set designers. You get to see for Broadway shows while
Speaker 2: you're there. And we went and saw Bullets over Broadway,
Speaker 2: and I'm standing, I'm sitting in before and we got
Speaker 2: to have a talk back with cast members, and you know,
Speaker 2: everybody asked the type of questions of you know, why
Speaker 2: do you do this?
Speaker 1: You know, how do you know?
Speaker 2: What's your background? How did you get here? And one
Speaker 2: of the chorus boys raised the hand, stepped forward and said,
Speaker 2: I want to tell you how I got here. Mister
Speaker 2: Kane right there in row four. Wow. He told me
Speaker 2: when I left high school what I should do when
Speaker 2: I got to college. And he said, the first thing
Speaker 2: I want you to do is take the ballet class,
Speaker 2: because every other dance is going to be based on
Speaker 2: your strength from ballet. And he goes, and here I
Speaker 2: am on Broadway.
Speaker 1: That's that I can't I can. I want to imagine yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the feeling of of of having that
Speaker 1: kind of you know, uh, you know, influence on somebody.
Speaker 1: That's really amazing.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants that your name mentioned it, that Tony's or
Speaker 2: the Academy Awards, that was mine. That's so special that
Speaker 2: that young gentleman has gone on to he was he
Speaker 2: was in the revival of Cats on Broadway. He has
Speaker 2: the very first singing line in that show. I got
Speaker 2: chills the time I got to see him do it.
Speaker 2: And that's actually where my theater world came full circle
Speaker 2: because a young I mentioned that Hello Dolly from nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five with the votes, there was a young boy
Speaker 2: named Jeffrey Denman that played one of the young boys
Speaker 2: in the shop, just an extra. He played the same
Speaker 2: role that my student played. He played it the closing
Speaker 2: night of Cats, and he played it on the opening night.
Speaker 2: That's the exact same roles.
Speaker 1: That's that's some sweet certain depity right there. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: good stuff. Unbelievable. Now, when did you start doing You
Speaker 1: said you started doing some background work. Would you Were
Speaker 1: you doing that before you moved to Massachusetts or did
Speaker 1: that start around that same time?
Speaker 2: It actually started in two thousand and four. Okay, there
Speaker 2: was a a cattle call. Yeah, we're making a movie
Speaker 2: in Boston. We need people to be fans. They want
Speaker 2: to come and be background as Boston Red Sox fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, do you know.
Speaker 2: The movie.
Speaker 1: Uht Fever Pitch. It's got to be fever Pitch.
Speaker 2: It's correct favor pitch about.
Speaker 1: Like baseball movies and to be oh, it's got to
Speaker 1: be Fever Pitch because I know it's the year they
Speaker 1: won the world right exactly when they made that, because
Speaker 1: didn't they They didn't they change the ending of that
Speaker 1: one because because they were supposed to lose again.
Speaker 2: It got me an extra day of work.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I like to hear.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I went to the cattle call and I
Speaker 2: got picked to do one of the big crowd scenes.
Speaker 2: And I was doing my thing and being the ADHD
Speaker 2: theater geek that I was. I watch everything and can
Speaker 2: do everything repeatedly the same way every time. And I
Speaker 2: got noticed and they said are you available tomorrow? Like sure? Why,
Speaker 2: he goes We had like fifty extras not show up
Speaker 2: and we can use extra people when you come out.
Speaker 2: So I went out, and I showed up the next
Speaker 2: day and they said we're going to be shooting here
Speaker 2: late at night. Okay, well I didn't know how late.
Speaker 2: I was new to movies. That meant four a m. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at eleven o'clock, I got on my phone and
Speaker 2: I'm politely calling my bride Honey, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: running late. And then I see a bunch of people
Speaker 2: pointing at me, and I'm thinking the worst because during
Speaker 2: the production, people kept running to Jimmy Fallon and Drew
Speaker 2: Barrymore with their phones trying to get pictures and all
Speaker 2: of that, and they were essentially being fired on the spot.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to be one of
Speaker 2: those people kicked out. And they said, can you come
Speaker 2: here for a minute. I'm like, sure, can you turn around? Okay?
Speaker 2: And I hear from the second ad, how does that look? Guys?
Speaker 2: It looks good. Okay, I'll ask him and the second
Speaker 2: ad Dave says, So, we shot a live scene in
Speaker 2: an actual Red Sox game last night. The actor that
Speaker 2: was sitting in one of the seats didn't come back,
Speaker 2: but we only shot him from the back. We never
Speaker 2: saw his face. Wouldn't you be willing to sit in
Speaker 2: a seat and be on camera? Yeah? Man, sure, And
Speaker 2: they said, we'll sit off to the side. We'll tell
Speaker 2: you when we need you to come sit in a seat,
Speaker 2: and the second team stepped out and came in Jimmy
Speaker 2: Fallon and all of the first teamers. And at one point,
Speaker 2: Jimmy's like, where's the guy that sits in front of me?
Speaker 2: And he goes always sitting to your right, and Jimmy
Speaker 2: looked at and said, oh, I'm Jimmy. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm Glenn. He goes, nice to me. Youa welcome to
Speaker 2: the team. And I got twelve more days out of
Speaker 2: sitting in.
Speaker 1: Front of it. That's some good stuff right there. That's great.
Speaker 2: So you know, and that was the start of my
Speaker 2: film career. But you know, I through my film and
Speaker 2: TV career, I got to work with some incredible people
Speaker 2: and watch them work.
Speaker 1: And now I want to put in just to get
Speaker 1: everything in context here, when when did the were you
Speaker 1: by this point? Were you refereeing yet? Or were you
Speaker 1: or were you No?
Speaker 2: It's because of working as a background extra. I actually
Speaker 2: rid a couple of professional that's right, that's right, called
Speaker 2: professional wrestler. Actually guys that came out of the Killer
Speaker 2: Kowalski School.
Speaker 1: Hey, they said.
Speaker 2: You know, come out and watch us. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: it's fun theater.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's that's great. Now, how did let's we'll
Speaker 1: get to the moment the reason we're here too, the
Speaker 1: other reason we're here Spotlight? How did how did that
Speaker 1: all come about? Because I'll tell you I I found
Speaker 1: you in Spotlight. I know I could see. I found
Speaker 1: you a great seat. I'll tell you that. I don't
Speaker 1: know about for the ball game or not, but you
Speaker 1: had a great seat to be in this movie.
Speaker 2: That I absolutely did. So, you know, I toiled for
Speaker 2: you know, years and years in the background, but you know,
Speaker 2: got known by local casting agents in Boston, whether it
Speaker 2: was Boston Casting or Carolyn Pickman or Rhode Island Casting.
Speaker 2: And I went to an open call once again for Spotlight.
Speaker 2: And I walked in and they said, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Do you mind working late at night? No, we have
Speaker 2: a big crowd scene coming up. It's in fen May Park.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, old hat for you and it shoots Friday. Okay.
Speaker 2: I took the day off from work, you know, showed
Speaker 2: up to you know, they said, well, the scene takes
Speaker 2: place in the early two thousands, so please bring red
Speaker 2: Sox gear because you know it will help ward. And
Speaker 2: I'm not a little guy, as you can see from
Speaker 2: my pictures. I know JP's checked it out. Peter and
Speaker 2: Paul and I are all about the same size. And
Speaker 2: I showed up with my what I call my bag
Speaker 2: of wonders. I bring my own wardrobe because I want
Speaker 2: stuff that fits.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I add just.
Speaker 2: A stupid red Sox shirt that I think I got
Speaker 2: it Savers for ninety nine cents.
Speaker 1: That thing is that thing is a is a work
Speaker 1: of art in many ways.
Speaker 2: And they said, oh, that's too new. I went, oh no,
Speaker 2: I just threw this on underneath, just to so you
Speaker 2: knew I was working on the film. But I have
Speaker 2: a bag of wardrobe here. They said, well, let me
Speaker 2: see what you brought. And I opened it up and
Speaker 2: they went, are you kidding me? Like what she goes?
Speaker 2: You have a Red Sox Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the one. That's what I'm talking about. That's
Speaker 1: the one that's the work of art right there. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm.
Speaker 2: Give me that she goes. But I'm not sure. I said, well,
Speaker 2: would you like it open with like the plane T
Speaker 2: blue T shirt underneath? Oh my god, pants, I said,
Speaker 2: pleaded ones are two thousand and four right, and they
Speaker 2: we're like everybody that's in line back here. This is
Speaker 2: the stuff you were supposed to bring. They said, pleaseeet
Speaker 2: dressed as quickly as you can. Terrific and they I
Speaker 2: went and changed and I was standing and they picked
Speaker 2: twenty five of us out and they put us up
Speaker 2: against the wall and the director went by and went, yep, yep, yep, yeap.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. Then wardrobe comes over and goes, you're taking him,
Speaker 2: aren't you, And he goes, oh yeah, And they take
Speaker 2: me over and they put me one hundred feet away
Speaker 2: from camera. Nice. Really. Wardrobe came over and went, I
Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing, but we know what we're doing.
Speaker 2: And they plopped me in a seat. And the girl
Speaker 2: that's next to me, Cindy, and I had done probably
Speaker 2: ten films together. They're like, this is going to be
Speaker 2: your girlfriend for the season. Okay. I said, Hi, Cindy,
Speaker 2: how are you? She went, I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 2: I said. She's like, how's your wife? I'm good? Where's
Speaker 2: your husband? Oh? Sorry, boyfriend? She's like, oh, he's back
Speaker 2: there doing audio. And we sat down and I noticed
Speaker 2: in front of us was tape and I went, Cindy,
Speaker 2: we're in great seats? Why? I went and I heard
Speaker 2: second team in and then comes and they sat in
Speaker 2: front of us and went, oh, this is going to
Speaker 2: be fun. Cindy goes, second team is directly in front
Speaker 2: of us. Yay. And the second team came in and
Speaker 2: I happened to know one of the second team, and
Speaker 2: I said, what are you in for? Jimmy, what are
Speaker 2: you went for? He goes, I don't know, some some
Speaker 2: Brian James guy. And my mouth fell open. I went,
Speaker 2: are you standing in for Brian Darcy James? He goes,
Speaker 2: should I know who he is? Oh? My god, yes.
Speaker 2: So they come in, they're shooting the scenes and I
Speaker 2: and by the way, am I allowed to swear on
Speaker 2: your path?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: All right? So this is a memorable. We actually shot
Speaker 2: during a Tampa Bay Ray's Red Sox game, so there
Speaker 2: are live fans around us the whole time. And we
Speaker 2: cut and the resetting and a guy goes down the aisle,
Speaker 2: looks back and sees Mark Ruffalo, and in typical southy Boston,
Speaker 2: he goes, all the shit, fucking mock ruffles correct, what
Speaker 2: the fuck are you drinking? He goes, oduls, he goes,
Speaker 2: get the fuck out. He went the bar, got him
Speaker 2: a regular beer and and the whole time, anytime we cut,
Speaker 2: anytime there was a break, people were trying to get
Speaker 2: their pictures taken with Mark Ruffalo, of course, and Cindy
Speaker 2: and I we are pranksters. We've had fun with each
Speaker 2: other on every set we've ever worked on. Whatever possessed us.
Speaker 2: We went, excuse me, mister Ruffalo, are we allowed to
Speaker 2: photo bomb? He went, oh god, please do that. He goes,
Speaker 2: if their photo bomb, maybe they don't get out there. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: every picture we could. That's amazing, that's so great. And
Speaker 2: in the meantime, Brian Darcy James is standing there just
Speaker 2: going no one knows who I am. Until I turned
Speaker 2: to him and said, hi, Brian, does no one want
Speaker 2: their picture taking him with a Broadway star? He goes,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a Broadway star, Brian. One of your
Speaker 2: best friends in New York is one of my best friends.
Speaker 2: And he goes, wait, who is that? And I mentioned
Speaker 2: a gentleman from Buffalo that he had just done White
Speaker 2: Christmas with and he goes, oh god, I don't remember
Speaker 2: the last time. I said when you shot the commercial
Speaker 2: for his app, and he went all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the little lights went on for Brian. He went, you're
Speaker 2: at White Christmas. You're friends with Jeff, You're also friends
Speaker 2: with Dennis. We've met it, Shrek, We've meant Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I feel so bad that I'm like, you meet thousands
Speaker 2: of people. I get it, but you know it was
Speaker 2: it was a moment for you know. And then I
Speaker 2: saw him eight months later in Something Rotten at the
Speaker 2: stage as door. He came out and I got a
Speaker 2: hug for you.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 2: I did a movie with him. They're like, what's no
Speaker 2: big deal on your part of it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a background. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen exactly. You know, hey, you sat right behind him.
Speaker 1: You know you sat right behind him. That can't say
Speaker 1: you're on camera. You're on camera quite a bit. You
Speaker 1: get a good amount of stream time.
Speaker 2: I I appreciated the screen time Immntally. I can't tell
Speaker 2: you how many times I've been on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 2: You know, I was in uh bride Wars where the
Speaker 2: main male characters, the boyfriends, had a scene right behind
Speaker 2: us at the table, and the scene got completely cut
Speaker 2: of and put on the on the floor because an
Speaker 2: extra kept talking during the.
Speaker 1: Sum I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Oh, but I am going to promote myself here. I did.
Speaker 2: After twenty years, I finally got my big break last
Speaker 2: year and somebody foolishly gave me a speaking line in
Speaker 2: a major film.
Speaker 1: What was it? What is it? Tell me?
Speaker 2: Film is called The Panic. It is set in nineteen
Speaker 2: oh seven and its stars carry Always.
Speaker 1: Hey, I love that.
Speaker 3: That one qualifies for under the cinema.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly. Absolutely, we're always.
Speaker 3: Looking for wrestler connections.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna bring you back for
Speaker 1: that at some point for sure.
Speaker 2: I know it's been almost a year. I think what
Speaker 2: they're looking for is distribution.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's certainly not lacking of star power because it
Speaker 2: has carry Always. It has Malcolm McDowell and Bellamy.
Speaker 1: The stars are Jefferson, the castle's right now, that's uh,
Speaker 1: Tim Daley, that's a. That's a that's a great jost.
Speaker 1: That's my kind of cast. Honestly, that's that's the kind
Speaker 1: of cast that I like. And they'll scroll down and
Speaker 1: see security guards. I love it. I love it. That's great.
Speaker 1: There was something I wanted to say about Uberguy, and
Speaker 1: I feel like even in the movie, Brian Darcy James
Speaker 1: is treated kind of like the the Broadway guy that
Speaker 1: nobody really knows because in all the scenes, if you
Speaker 1: ever notice, in all the scenes, he's always got an
Speaker 1: excuse to walk away before the real scene happens in
Speaker 1: that in that scene right in the scene of the ballpark,
Speaker 1: like you get four guys right there, right, they're all talking, talking, talking,
Speaker 1: but before John Slattery and Mark Ruffalo are going to
Speaker 1: talk about the real meat of the scene, Brian Darcy
Speaker 1: James say Hey, I'm gonna get some food. Anyone want anything?
Speaker 1: And he's gone, and I said, he's done, doesn't come back,
Speaker 1: and he does that all throughout the movie. They just
Speaker 1: kind of throw him away. It's it's so, it's a
Speaker 1: wild thing, just kind of short change there.
Speaker 2: Well, well, anymore than I was a big Smash fan,
Speaker 2: he is the only major Broadway star in that entire
Speaker 2: show to never sing on that show ever.
Speaker 1: You know, I never even thought of that. That's wild.
Speaker 1: I never thought of that. He doesn't sing ever.
Speaker 2: You know, He's gone on to do such wonderful things.
Speaker 2: And I'm desperate because I'm in Buffalo. I am desperate
Speaker 2: to have one moment with Josh Allen's fiancee to go. So,
Speaker 2: what's it like to have my friend Brian Darcy James
Speaker 2: play your father on Hawkeye?
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: He's in it for what five minutes and he's dead.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Smile Haley is.
Speaker 1: Yep, God in Buffalo. That's that's wild. That's wild. Well, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: I want to say big thank you, Glenn. This has
Speaker 1: been absolutely amazing, absolute treat to hear all you know, uh,
Speaker 1: some of your wrestling stories, and to hear about the
Speaker 1: you know a few stories from your movie career and
Speaker 1: your past. I I can tell you right now, when
Speaker 1: we get to another movie that you're featured in, probably
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna aim at this one, the uh the
Speaker 1: Panic when that comes out and when and we're able
Speaker 1: to watch it, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably bring you
Speaker 1: back on so we can talk about that a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, Yeah, there's some inside scoop to to how
Speaker 2: I got the rule.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to say that to say that, I
Speaker 1: got to say.
Speaker 2: That, I'm giving the cliffhanger.
Speaker 3: Well, that's how you know he was in the wrestling business.
Speaker 2: I'm building that story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, locking in that next appearance too, we're innicely done.
Speaker 1: Great stuff. Thanks again man.
Speaker 2: Oh no, absolutely thank you and uh all my best.
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