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<v Speaker 1>illegal get to vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five krc the talk station, Heyo five the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the fifty five CARC morning. Sure, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pleasure to have you on FLP. President Ken Coober Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing today?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great, Brian? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fine?

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<v Speaker 2>Saw Teresa DJ the police chief badgering the Cincinnai Public

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<v Speaker 2>Schools Sinceni school Board, trying to get them to, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>engage in some effort to help deal with the rise

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<v Speaker 2>in violence that's happening at the Metro bus stops where

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<v Speaker 2>the Cinni Public school children gather to get to school.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been a problem for a while, hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean we've had meetings going all the way

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<v Speaker 3>back to January with Metro, with the City Manager's office,

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<v Speaker 3>the Police Department, CPS, and so far your Metro has

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<v Speaker 3>made significant contributions to try to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make this work.

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<v Speaker 3>They're willing to do anything for us, and since anti

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<v Speaker 3>public schools have just sat on their hands and done nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I tell you described the regular problems or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to go into each every individual event,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's happened so often. What types of activities are

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<v Speaker 2>raising concerns? Are there fistfights breaking out? Are people bringing weapons?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean gangs? I mean, what's the breakdown here? What's

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<v Speaker 2>the main problems?

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<v Speaker 3>You name it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a gamut.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll have forty fifty sixty kids fighting at a bus stop.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll have kids with guns.

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<v Speaker 3>Shooting at each other at bus stops. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 3>creating just chaos at these places.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then the police are called.

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<v Speaker 2>And I presume that by the time you get there,

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<v Speaker 2>the kids are already on the bus and gone to

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<v Speaker 2>school or the activities otherwise broken up. By then, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you responding to it without the help of the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnai Public schools?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so, the police department since the first of February

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<v Speaker 3>has a four hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in overtime

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<v Speaker 3>for our Civil Disturbance Response Team, for our SWAT response

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<v Speaker 3>teams to be in these areas patrolling them after school.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this social media driven or I mean there's just

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<v Speaker 2>this general societal breakdown. I mean, you know, I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>old guy now, fine, Okay, I'm fifty nine years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and if things are different now than when they were

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid, YadA yad daye. Hear that

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. But I mean, I just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what is the impetus behind these fights breaking out

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<v Speaker 2>so regularly that this has become an issue elevated to

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<v Speaker 2>the attention where they're begging the public schools to do

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<v Speaker 2>something about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the biggest problem.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure it was true when I was in

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<v Speaker 3>high school, as that compared to when you were as well,

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<v Speaker 3>as we went to our neighborhood school. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>lived in College Hill, you went to ak And High School.

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<v Speaker 3>You lived over in Western Hills, you went to West High.

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<v Speaker 3>Now these kids can go to any schools within the city.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happens is we've got kids from different neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 3>that don't get along, you know, that will meet it square,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to use the bus service that'll be from

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<v Speaker 3>Evanston and Westwood, Price Hill and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just a powder keg for violence because they don't

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<v Speaker 3>like each other to begin with. So now they meet

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<v Speaker 3>in a public place, and well, it's just a recipe

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<v Speaker 3>for disaster. If these kids went to the schools in

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<v Speaker 3>their own neighborhoods, they wouldn't be having this interaction because

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<v Speaker 3>we wouldn't have them traveling throughout the city on buses.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it sounds me like you have a suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>for a solution built in there somewhere, because I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I understand a Chief theg's desire to have the public

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<v Speaker 2>schools intervene or do something about it. But here I

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<v Speaker 2>am if these kids hate each other merely because they're

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<v Speaker 2>from different neighborhoods, I guess I'm wondering what a teacher

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<v Speaker 2>or an administrator the since public schools can actually do

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<v Speaker 2>to solve that problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a couple things they could do. They could

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<v Speaker 1>go back to neighborhoods schooling, and you know, if.

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<v Speaker 3>You live in like I said, you live in College Hill,

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<v Speaker 3>you go to Akin. But the one thing that I've

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<v Speaker 3>suggested that Metro was on board for that EPs just

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<v Speaker 3>refused to do, was if you have kids that are suspended.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you giving them bus passes? They have no right.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to school because they're suspended, So why

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<v Speaker 3>are you going to give them the ability to use

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<v Speaker 3>public transportation on the taxpayer's dime when they're suspended?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>And also also why are these kids having bus passed?

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<v Speaker 3>Why are they allowed to be on these buses at

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<v Speaker 3>eight o'clock at night if they're not involved in extra

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<v Speaker 3>churricter activities.

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<v Speaker 1>Great question.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two simple things that would cut down on

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of this nonsense because reality is, you got

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred kids out of it. I believe it's thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six thousand that go to since they public schools, and

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<v Speaker 3>you really have two hundred maybe three hundred bad actors,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's endangering these kids that are good kids that

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<v Speaker 3>are just trying to go to school because they get

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<v Speaker 3>caught up in this nonsense because of the two or

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred kids that likely are not going to school

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<v Speaker 3>anyway or they're suspended, So why are they being afforded

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to use this transportation on taxpayers dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds to me like an effort to support the bus system,

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<v Speaker 2>because you tell me that the children they're insinside public

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<v Speaker 2>schools that are taking metro buses get an all twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hour day, seven day week bus pass.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's twenty four hours. Then it's certainly

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<v Speaker 3>just Monday through Friday, because you'll see that they have

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<v Speaker 3>fewer problems on the weekends because these kids aren't traveling

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the city on these buses. But I mean, there'll

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<v Speaker 3>be times where these kids are downtown it's past arc,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and many of these kids that they run

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<v Speaker 3>into have been suspended already or they're not going to school.

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<v Speaker 3>But then that brings up a whole other issue of sin, say,

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<v Speaker 3>public school truancy.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't take attendance. Yeah, well, they don't take attendance.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't be truant if we don't know that they're are

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<v Speaker 1>you we don't know? Oh my god, they don't even

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<v Speaker 1>take attendance.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the only positive thing I find in this entire

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<v Speaker 2>conversation FOP president can cover is that they still suspend

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<v Speaker 2>people for bad activity. I thought they may have eradicated

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<v Speaker 2>eradicated that in the name of diversity, equity, inclusion or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you can't punish a student. It's beyond their control.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they are suspended, I'm with you, the bus

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<v Speaker 2>passes should be maybe taken away because they're obviously providges

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<v Speaker 2>to go to school been taken away. But now, as

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<v Speaker 2>for the Sincinni Public schools, have these proposals along the

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<v Speaker 2>lines of what you're talking been presented to them?

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<v Speaker 1>Have they?

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<v Speaker 2>Have they provided you with a response, because it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like the silence is pretty much deafening right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely deafening.

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<v Speaker 3>There has been no response other than we're just not

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<v Speaker 3>going to do it, which is brings me to my

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<v Speaker 3>next point. If I've looked up the CPS board policies

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<v Speaker 3>under eight six zero zero point one, it says the

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<v Speaker 3>school board's primary concern is the transportation of students in

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<v Speaker 3>their safety, and then it goes on to say that

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<v Speaker 3>the Board of Education must ensure that all reasonable steps

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<v Speaker 3>are taken to ensure safety, student safety, and supervision of

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<v Speaker 3>students during transit to and from school. Well, that's clearly

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<v Speaker 3>not being done. That's their own policy that I'm reading from.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I suppose their lawyers probably say, well, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're standing at a bus stop, they're not engaging in

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<v Speaker 2>during transit. Therefore, we have obligation before they get on

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<v Speaker 3>Which is interesting and I'm gonna get gonna get with

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<v Speaker 3>some of these city leaders because apparently the state of

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<v Speaker 3>Kentucky hasn't acted some legislation that says if they're at

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<v Speaker 3>a bus stop, that's essentially an extension of school grounds.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that came straight from a that came straight

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<v Speaker 3>from a bus driver in Kentucky who just happened to

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<v Speaker 3>see some of the things that were going on and

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<v Speaker 3>send an email to the city saying, look, why don't

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<v Speaker 3>you guys do this in Ohio?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what Kentucky does.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it cut down on a lot of their

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<v Speaker 3>nonsense that was going on at their bus stops.

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<v Speaker 2>So does that mean that the Kentucky schools, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>could maybe assign a school resource officer i e. A

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<v Speaker 2>uniformed officer that has been assigned to the school to

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<v Speaker 2>show up at these bus stops and be there while

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<v Speaker 2>the children are waiting for the buses.

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<v Speaker 3>They could, but what's been suggested in the school districts

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<v Speaker 3>that we will not do this is have their staff there.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason I say this is, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>they've always been critical of the police in this pipeline

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<v Speaker 3>from you know, school to prison. Yeah, and when you

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<v Speaker 3>sit on your hands as a school district to do nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>and the only answer is let's throw the police at this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's only making this worse. If we can get

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<v Speaker 3>these kids to behave themselves and do it without police interaction,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're all better for that. Police and the

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<v Speaker 3>kids as well. Neither one of them really want to

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<v Speaker 3>be interacting with each other, especially in an enforcement the arena.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they should be doing this as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>mentoring they are. Our Youth Services unit is fantastic. They

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<v Speaker 3>do a great, great job, but even they're just beginning

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<v Speaker 3>to get set up with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess I'm just wondering if the criminal justice

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<v Speaker 2>system and being prosecuted and getting a record and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>spending time in a juvenile detention center or something is

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<v Speaker 2>not as sufficient to turn to stop these kids from

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<v Speaker 2>engaging a criminal behavior. Would the school staff being present

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<v Speaker 2>in any way, shape or form at the bus stops

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<v Speaker 2>be a sufficient to turn to these kids, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the threat of suspension from school. Would that

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<v Speaker 2>register in the hearts and minds of these kids enough

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<v Speaker 2>to them to stop beating each other up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, at this point we're willing to try.

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<v Speaker 1>And Okay, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I was just not working clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I like the legislative solution along the lines of

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<v Speaker 2>what Kentucky's doing, taking any guesswork out of avoiding litigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Pass the law that says the school by the Cincinni

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<v Speaker 2>Public School's obligation as standing in local parentis of over

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<v Speaker 2>children extends to the area around the bus stop, so

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<v Speaker 2>our children can be considered safe while they're there. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what repercussions might occur if they fail in that effort,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least it would be their legal obligation, plain

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<v Speaker 2>and clear. Just take the idea of having to hold

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<v Speaker 2>my breath and wait for Columbus to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, we've been suggesting solutions, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest part is the fact that since a public

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you know, as the chief.

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<v Speaker 3>And our Youth Services commander or Civil Disturbance Response Team

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<v Speaker 3>commander myself were at the school board meeting, the Chief

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<v Speaker 3>spoke and then the president of the school board abruptly said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to allow any more of your entourage

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<v Speaker 1>We're done with this section.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, which clearly they did not want to hear what

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<v Speaker 3>the police chief of the City of Cincinnati, our law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement are safety expert. They did not want to hear

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<v Speaker 3>what she had to say. And that part of it

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<v Speaker 3>really is sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Well sort of draws attention to the reality that we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a whole lot of really, really lawless young people

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<v Speaker 2>in our community. Maybe they're just trying to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>spotlight away from that. If a child is suspended for

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<v Speaker 2>behavior issues in a school, does the Sinsint Public school

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<v Speaker 2>ever take any efforts to outreach the family members, the parents,

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<v Speaker 2>if there are any, the guardians of the suspended child,

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what's going on at home. Because you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, Ken, I'll tell you what. In my world,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the threat of a criminal and involvement or

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<v Speaker 2>involvement with the prosecutors. I was with the police that

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<v Speaker 2>kept me out of trouble. It was the threat of

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<v Speaker 2>my father and mother and the repercussions i'd have at

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<v Speaker 2>home if I got out of line.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, without a doubt, I'm raising two teenage boys and

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<v Speaker 3>they are being raised the same way that I was,

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<v Speaker 3>which is you're right. I was more afraid of what

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to get in trouble with my parents,

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<v Speaker 3>yea was with the school district. I just don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that that's going on, and you know that brings up,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, a bigger issue is, you know, the lack

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<v Speaker 3>of parenting at home. You know the chief talked about

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<v Speaker 3>it at the board meeting. Is there we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 3>holding these parents accountable? Then if no one wants to

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<v Speaker 3>hold kids accountable, the justice system doesn't want to, the

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<v Speaker 3>school district doesn't want to, then I guess the answer

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<v Speaker 3>is we'll start holding these adults accountable for their kids' actions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well happening all over this country in terms of children

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<v Speaker 2>getting involved in shooting incidents. Parents are brought into court

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<v Speaker 2>and they're found responsible because they were negligent in their

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<v Speaker 2>handling and keeping the firearms at home, or they negligently

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<v Speaker 2>provided a young person who does not have the lawful

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<v Speaker 2>right to carry one with one. So it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a nice extension of that. As much as I hate

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, but if someone's at home not caring about

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<v Speaker 2>what their children are doing, or where they are at

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<v Speaker 2>any given time a day. There's got to be accountability

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere and maybe that's the way to solve society's larger problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, they've got to do something, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>throwing this problem at the feet of the police. It's

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<v Speaker 3>only going to end tragically, you know, if we don't

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<v Speaker 3>get these kids under control, if everybody doesn't come together

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<v Speaker 3>to find these solutions. The reality is these officers, who

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<v Speaker 3>are very very well trained, they're very very experienced, are

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<v Speaker 3>going to end up encountering one of these kids with

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<v Speaker 3>a firearm and we know how that typically is going

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<v Speaker 3>to end, and it's not going to be well.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's since January when this has all started.

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<v Speaker 3>Have brought all this stuff to the forefront to try

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<v Speaker 3>to get solutions so we can prevent these things from happening,

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<v Speaker 3>and so far.

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<v Speaker 1>That just hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it would be a little more refreshing if the

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<v Speaker 2>school board actually seemed to have some measure of concern

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<v Speaker 2>and some interest in helping, whatever help that might be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think every little bit counts. As you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless you and everybody else on the Cincinni Police Department.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my listeners and I have your backs and

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<v Speaker 2>do anything we can in the name of law and

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<v Speaker 2>order and bettering our community. And maybe the parents should

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a care a little bit more about what

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<v Speaker 2>their children are doing, and maybe engage in a pressure

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<v Speaker 2>campaign on the City of Cincinnati's school board to help out.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the thought that would be great outreach. Folks. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to get engaged. Ken, I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention

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<v Speaker 2>and the listener's attention, and to the extent there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>else for more messaging you want to get out there,

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<v Speaker 2>You're always welcome here on the fifty five Carecen Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks, Brian, thanks for having me anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Cover, FOP President eight nineteen. Right now, fifty five

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