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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fifty five CARC morning. Sure, it's
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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Brian? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine?
Speaker 2: Saw Teresa DJ the police chief badgering the Cincinnai Public
Speaker 2: Schools Sinceni school Board, trying to get them to, I guess,
Speaker 2: engage in some effort to help deal with the rise
Speaker 2: in violence that's happening at the Metro bus stops where
Speaker 2: the Cinni Public school children gather to get to school.
Speaker 2: This has been a problem for a while, hasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've had meetings going all the way
Speaker 3: back to January with Metro, with the City Manager's office,
Speaker 3: the Police Department, CPS, and so far your Metro has
Speaker 3: made significant contributions to try to.
Speaker 1: Make this work.
Speaker 3: They're willing to do anything for us, and since anti
Speaker 3: public schools have just sat on their hands and done nothing.
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you described the regular problems or you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to go into each every individual event,
Speaker 2: but it's happened so often. What types of activities are
Speaker 2: raising concerns? Are there fistfights breaking out? Are people bringing weapons?
Speaker 2: I mean gangs? I mean, what's the breakdown here? What's
Speaker 2: the main problems?
Speaker 3: You name it?
Speaker 1: It's a gamut.
Speaker 3: You'll have forty fifty sixty kids fighting at a bus stop.
Speaker 1: You'll have kids with guns.
Speaker 3: Shooting at each other at bus stops. I mean, just
Speaker 3: creating just chaos at these places.
Speaker 1: And so then the police are called.
Speaker 2: And I presume that by the time you get there,
Speaker 2: the kids are already on the bus and gone to
Speaker 2: school or the activities otherwise broken up. By then, how
Speaker 2: are you responding to it without the help of the
Speaker 2: Cincinnai Public schools?
Speaker 3: Well, so, the police department since the first of February
Speaker 3: has a four hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in overtime
Speaker 3: for our Civil Disturbance Response Team, for our SWAT response
Speaker 3: teams to be in these areas patrolling them after school.
Speaker 2: Is this social media driven or I mean there's just
Speaker 2: this general societal breakdown. I mean, you know, I'm an
Speaker 2: old guy now, fine, Okay, I'm fifty nine years old,
Speaker 2: and if things are different now than when they were
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, YadA yad daye. Hear that
Speaker 2: all the time. But I mean, I just kind of
Speaker 2: wonder what is the impetus behind these fights breaking out
Speaker 2: so regularly that this has become an issue elevated to
Speaker 2: the attention where they're begging the public schools to do
Speaker 2: something about it.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the biggest problem.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure it was true when I was in
Speaker 3: high school, as that compared to when you were as well,
Speaker 3: as we went to our neighborhood school. So if you
Speaker 3: lived in College Hill, you went to ak And High School.
Speaker 3: You lived over in Western Hills, you went to West High.
Speaker 3: Now these kids can go to any schools within the city.
Speaker 3: So what happens is we've got kids from different neighborhoods
Speaker 3: that don't get along, you know, that will meet it square,
Speaker 3: you know, to use the bus service that'll be from
Speaker 3: Evanston and Westwood, Price Hill and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's just a powder keg for violence because they don't
Speaker 3: like each other to begin with. So now they meet
Speaker 3: in a public place, and well, it's just a recipe
Speaker 3: for disaster. If these kids went to the schools in
Speaker 3: their own neighborhoods, they wouldn't be having this interaction because
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have them traveling throughout the city on buses.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it sounds me like you have a suggestion
Speaker 2: for a solution built in there somewhere, because I guess
Speaker 2: I understand a Chief theg's desire to have the public
Speaker 2: schools intervene or do something about it. But here I
Speaker 2: am if these kids hate each other merely because they're
Speaker 2: from different neighborhoods, I guess I'm wondering what a teacher
Speaker 2: or an administrator the since public schools can actually do
Speaker 2: to solve that problem.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple things they could do. They could
Speaker 1: go back to neighborhoods schooling, and you know, if.
Speaker 3: You live in like I said, you live in College Hill,
Speaker 3: you go to Akin. But the one thing that I've
Speaker 3: suggested that Metro was on board for that EPs just
Speaker 3: refused to do, was if you have kids that are suspended.
Speaker 1: Why are you giving them bus passes? They have no right.
Speaker 3: They're not going to school because they're suspended, So why
Speaker 3: are you going to give them the ability to use
Speaker 3: public transportation on the taxpayer's dime when they're suspended?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: And also also why are these kids having bus passed?
Speaker 3: Why are they allowed to be on these buses at
Speaker 3: eight o'clock at night if they're not involved in extra
Speaker 3: churricter activities.
Speaker 1: Great question.
Speaker 3: Those are two simple things that would cut down on
Speaker 3: a lot of this nonsense because reality is, you got
Speaker 3: two hundred kids out of it. I believe it's thirty
Speaker 3: six thousand that go to since they public schools, and
Speaker 3: you really have two hundred maybe three hundred bad actors,
Speaker 3: and it's endangering these kids that are good kids that
Speaker 3: are just trying to go to school because they get
Speaker 3: caught up in this nonsense because of the two or
Speaker 3: three hundred kids that likely are not going to school
Speaker 3: anyway or they're suspended, So why are they being afforded
Speaker 3: the opportunity to use this transportation on taxpayers dollars?
Speaker 2: Sounds to me like an effort to support the bus system,
Speaker 2: because you tell me that the children they're insinside public
Speaker 2: schools that are taking metro buses get an all twenty
Speaker 2: four hour day, seven day week bus pass.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's twenty four hours. Then it's certainly
Speaker 3: just Monday through Friday, because you'll see that they have
Speaker 3: fewer problems on the weekends because these kids aren't traveling
Speaker 3: throughout the city on these buses. But I mean, there'll
Speaker 3: be times where these kids are downtown it's past arc,
Speaker 3: you know, and many of these kids that they run
Speaker 3: into have been suspended already or they're not going to school.
Speaker 3: But then that brings up a whole other issue of sin, say,
Speaker 3: public school truancy.
Speaker 1: They don't take attendance. Yeah, well, they don't take attendance.
Speaker 1: Can't be truant if we don't know that they're are
Speaker 1: you we don't know? Oh my god, they don't even
Speaker 1: take attendance.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Well, the only positive thing I find in this entire
Speaker 2: conversation FOP president can cover is that they still suspend
Speaker 2: people for bad activity. I thought they may have eradicated
Speaker 2: eradicated that in the name of diversity, equity, inclusion or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, you can't punish a student. It's beyond their control.
Speaker 2: But if they are suspended, I'm with you, the bus
Speaker 2: passes should be maybe taken away because they're obviously providges
Speaker 2: to go to school been taken away. But now, as
Speaker 2: for the Sincinni Public schools, have these proposals along the
Speaker 2: lines of what you're talking been presented to them?
Speaker 1: Have they?
Speaker 2: Have they provided you with a response, because it sounds
Speaker 2: like the silence is pretty much deafening right now.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely deafening.
Speaker 3: There has been no response other than we're just not
Speaker 3: going to do it, which is brings me to my
Speaker 3: next point. If I've looked up the CPS board policies
Speaker 3: under eight six zero zero point one, it says the
Speaker 3: school board's primary concern is the transportation of students in
Speaker 3: their safety, and then it goes on to say that
Speaker 3: the Board of Education must ensure that all reasonable steps
Speaker 3: are taken to ensure safety, student safety, and supervision of
Speaker 3: students during transit to and from school. Well, that's clearly
Speaker 3: not being done. That's their own policy that I'm reading from.
Speaker 2: Well, and I suppose their lawyers probably say, well, if
Speaker 2: they're standing at a bus stop, they're not engaging in
Speaker 2: during transit. Therefore, we have obligation before they get on
Speaker 2: the bus.
Speaker 3: Which is interesting and I'm gonna get gonna get with
Speaker 3: some of these city leaders because apparently the state of
Speaker 3: Kentucky hasn't acted some legislation that says if they're at
Speaker 3: a bus stop, that's essentially an extension of school grounds.
Speaker 3: I like that came straight from a that came straight
Speaker 3: from a bus driver in Kentucky who just happened to
Speaker 3: see some of the things that were going on and
Speaker 3: send an email to the city saying, look, why don't
Speaker 3: you guys do this in Ohio?
Speaker 1: This is what Kentucky does.
Speaker 3: You know, it cut down on a lot of their
Speaker 3: nonsense that was going on at their bus stops.
Speaker 2: So does that mean that the Kentucky schools, for example,
Speaker 2: could maybe assign a school resource officer i e. A
Speaker 2: uniformed officer that has been assigned to the school to
Speaker 2: show up at these bus stops and be there while
Speaker 2: the children are waiting for the buses.
Speaker 3: They could, but what's been suggested in the school districts
Speaker 3: that we will not do this is have their staff there.
Speaker 3: And the reason I say this is, you know, they
Speaker 3: they've always been critical of the police in this pipeline
Speaker 3: from you know, school to prison. Yeah, and when you
Speaker 3: sit on your hands as a school district to do nothing,
Speaker 3: and the only answer is let's throw the police at this.
Speaker 3: That's that's only making this worse. If we can get
Speaker 3: these kids to behave themselves and do it without police interaction,
Speaker 3: I think we're all better for that. Police and the
Speaker 3: kids as well. Neither one of them really want to
Speaker 3: be interacting with each other, especially in an enforcement the arena.
Speaker 3: You know, they should be doing this as you know,
Speaker 3: mentoring they are. Our Youth Services unit is fantastic. They
Speaker 3: do a great, great job, but even they're just beginning
Speaker 3: to get set up with us.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm just wondering if the criminal justice
Speaker 2: system and being prosecuted and getting a record and maybe
Speaker 2: spending time in a juvenile detention center or something is
Speaker 2: not as sufficient to turn to stop these kids from
Speaker 2: engaging a criminal behavior. Would the school staff being present
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form at the bus stops
Speaker 2: be a sufficient to turn to these kids, because you know,
Speaker 2: I guess the threat of suspension from school. Would that
Speaker 2: register in the hearts and minds of these kids enough
Speaker 2: to them to stop beating each other up.
Speaker 3: You know, at this point we're willing to try.
Speaker 1: And Okay, got it.
Speaker 3: What's going on right now?
Speaker 1: I was just not working clearly.
Speaker 2: Well, I like the legislative solution along the lines of
Speaker 2: what Kentucky's doing, taking any guesswork out of avoiding litigation.
Speaker 2: Pass the law that says the school by the Cincinni
Speaker 2: Public School's obligation as standing in local parentis of over
Speaker 2: children extends to the area around the bus stop, so
Speaker 2: our children can be considered safe while they're there. Don't
Speaker 2: know what repercussions might occur if they fail in that effort,
Speaker 2: but at least it would be their legal obligation, plain
Speaker 2: and clear. Just take the idea of having to hold
Speaker 2: my breath and wait for Columbus to do anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, we've been suggesting solutions, and like I said,
Speaker 3: the biggest part is the fact that since a public
Speaker 3: just hasn't hasn't come to the table to try to
Speaker 3: even offer any solutions.
Speaker 1: In fact, you know, as the chief.
Speaker 3: And our Youth Services commander or Civil Disturbance Response Team
Speaker 3: commander myself were at the school board meeting, the Chief
Speaker 3: spoke and then the president of the school board abruptly said,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to allow any more of your entourage
Speaker 3: to speak.
Speaker 1: We're done with this section.
Speaker 3: Wow, which clearly they did not want to hear what
Speaker 3: the police chief of the City of Cincinnati, our law
Speaker 3: enforcement are safety expert. They did not want to hear
Speaker 3: what she had to say. And that part of it
Speaker 3: really is sad.
Speaker 2: Well sort of draws attention to the reality that we've
Speaker 2: got a whole lot of really, really lawless young people
Speaker 2: in our community. Maybe they're just trying to keep the
Speaker 2: spotlight away from that. If a child is suspended for
Speaker 2: behavior issues in a school, does the Sinsint Public school
Speaker 2: ever take any efforts to outreach the family members, the parents,
Speaker 2: if there are any, the guardians of the suspended child,
Speaker 2: to find out what's going on at home. Because you
Speaker 2: know what, Ken, I'll tell you what. In my world,
Speaker 2: it wasn't the threat of a criminal and involvement or
Speaker 2: involvement with the prosecutors. I was with the police that
Speaker 2: kept me out of trouble. It was the threat of
Speaker 2: my father and mother and the repercussions i'd have at
Speaker 2: home if I got out of line.
Speaker 3: Oh, without a doubt, I'm raising two teenage boys and
Speaker 3: they are being raised the same way that I was,
Speaker 3: which is you're right. I was more afraid of what
Speaker 3: I was going to get in trouble with my parents,
Speaker 3: yea was with the school district. I just don't know
Speaker 3: that that's going on, and you know that brings up,
Speaker 3: of course, a bigger issue is, you know, the lack
Speaker 3: of parenting at home. You know the chief talked about
Speaker 3: it at the board meeting. Is there we're gonna start
Speaker 3: holding these parents accountable? Then if no one wants to
Speaker 3: hold kids accountable, the justice system doesn't want to, the
Speaker 3: school district doesn't want to, then I guess the answer
Speaker 3: is we'll start holding these adults accountable for their kids' actions.
Speaker 2: Well happening all over this country in terms of children
Speaker 2: getting involved in shooting incidents. Parents are brought into court
Speaker 2: and they're found responsible because they were negligent in their
Speaker 2: handling and keeping the firearms at home, or they negligently
Speaker 2: provided a young person who does not have the lawful
Speaker 2: right to carry one with one. So it sounds like
Speaker 2: a nice extension of that. As much as I hate
Speaker 2: doing that, but if someone's at home not caring about
Speaker 2: what their children are doing, or where they are at
Speaker 2: any given time a day. There's got to be accountability
Speaker 2: somewhere and maybe that's the way to solve society's larger problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they've got to do something, like I said,
Speaker 3: throwing this problem at the feet of the police. It's
Speaker 3: only going to end tragically, you know, if we don't
Speaker 3: get these kids under control, if everybody doesn't come together
Speaker 3: to find these solutions. The reality is these officers, who
Speaker 3: are very very well trained, they're very very experienced, are
Speaker 3: going to end up encountering one of these kids with
Speaker 3: a firearm and we know how that typically is going
Speaker 3: to end, and it's not going to be well.
Speaker 1: And that's since January when this has all started.
Speaker 3: Have brought all this stuff to the forefront to try
Speaker 3: to get solutions so we can prevent these things from happening,
Speaker 3: and so far.
Speaker 1: That just hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: Well, it would be a little more refreshing if the
Speaker 2: school board actually seemed to have some measure of concern
Speaker 2: and some interest in helping, whatever help that might be.
Speaker 2: I think every little bit counts. As you know, well,
Speaker 2: God bless you and everybody else on the Cincinni Police Department.
Speaker 2: You know, my listeners and I have your backs and
Speaker 2: do anything we can in the name of law and
Speaker 2: order and bettering our community. And maybe the parents should
Speaker 2: tell you a care a little bit more about what
Speaker 2: their children are doing, and maybe engage in a pressure
Speaker 2: campaign on the City of Cincinnati's school board to help out.
Speaker 1: Just the thought that would be great outreach. Folks. You
Speaker 1: got to get engaged. Ken, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention
Speaker 2: and the listener's attention, and to the extent there's anything
Speaker 2: else for more messaging you want to get out there,
Speaker 2: You're always welcome here on the fifty five Carecen Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks, Brian, thanks for having me anytime.
Speaker 2: Ken Cover, FOP President eight nineteen. Right now, fifty five
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