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Speaker 2: the box Score with Jackie Ray.
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Speaker 2: And some time ago, I think it was during the
Speaker 2: show Hey Otani, just before the show Hey Otani, controversy
Speaker 2: if you will, I said, and Jackie Ray said that
Speaker 2: we're probably going to go down this gambling path within
Speaker 2: the next three sixty five days. And since then, which
Speaker 2: is still less than a year ago, we've gone down
Speaker 2: that path a few times with a few players. John
Speaker 2: tay Porter was banned from the NBA, but we also said.
Speaker 3: There's probably more out there.
Speaker 2: Come to find out that the investigation which led to
Speaker 2: the banning of John tay Porter from the NBA has
Speaker 2: now at least publicly been revealed that it included other players.
Speaker 2: Terry Rozier, formerly with the Charlotte Hornets, he was under investigation.
Speaker 2: He's given no but he was being investigated for underperforming,
Speaker 2: possibly limiting minutes, possibly sending signals that he would have
Speaker 2: decreased minutes on a given game in particular. Now, no
Speaker 2: formal charges were levied and no specific acts of wrongdoing
Speaker 2: were pointed at Rose. So let me just take this
Speaker 2: a step back in Jackie Ray, what does this say
Speaker 2: to you when there are more players being investigated that
Speaker 2: we're not even aware of aside.
Speaker 4: From we told you so.
Speaker 5: Uh, that's the first thing, and it's just a very
Speaker 5: deep rabbit hole when you're talking about gambling. One of
Speaker 5: the things about this story that I find interesting is
Speaker 5: the potential of him sending signals which means he can
Speaker 5: go out there, he can play his game regular and
Speaker 5: then to you or I who are unaware of these signals,
Speaker 5: we won't know what's going on. Maybe he just scratched
Speaker 5: his ear or something just for example. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: what they are, but it just if there's a level
Speaker 5: of you would have to really to more jobs in
Speaker 5: the league, probably every league, with people just sitting around
Speaker 5: and watching players to try to see if there's anything
Speaker 5: off in their game. On top of that, you would
Speaker 5: have to have different people in the locker room when
Speaker 5: somebody's complaining about soreness or tightness in their foot or
Speaker 5: in their leg, just to make sure you have to
Speaker 5: have some sort of checks and balance on that, which
Speaker 5: obviously these things that I'm saying, they're not going to happen.
Speaker 5: So I'm not entirely sure what the fix is for this,
Speaker 5: but we knew the second. We live in a capitalistic society.
Speaker 5: I don't have to know how many times I have
Speaker 5: to say this. When you live in a capitalistic society
Speaker 5: where money goes first, then just know people will do
Speaker 5: whatever they can to get it. People who have a
Speaker 5: lot of it will do whatever they can to get
Speaker 5: more of it.
Speaker 4: And that's what we're saying.
Speaker 2: For those who don't follow betting, we're talking about, at
Speaker 2: least on a small level, prop bets. You can have
Speaker 2: a prop bet that Terry Rozier is going to get
Speaker 2: fewer than five assists tonight. And if Terry Rozier, sorry
Speaker 2: to pick on him, but he's in the story. If
Speaker 2: Terry knows that, well, I can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2: If I send a signal that my foot is bothering
Speaker 2: me and I may not play as many minutes as
Speaker 2: I usually would as a starter, then yes, he's not
Speaker 2: gonna get his five assists in a given game.
Speaker 5: To add on to that, though, people need to understand, yes,
Speaker 5: we've seen athletes fall down with these major injuries and
Speaker 5: you can tell immediately like they've torn in achilles or
Speaker 5: something like that. But if you have soreness in your
Speaker 5: elbow or soreness, there's no way that a trainer's going
Speaker 5: to be able to say you're not sore, go back
Speaker 5: out there and play. You just have to take the
Speaker 5: player's word for it. So there's no rectifying that.
Speaker 2: And also there are little tricks that athletes can do
Speaker 2: beyond that. You could legitimately tweak your ankle and then
Speaker 2: be asked to go back to a locker and get
Speaker 2: treatment on it, which is going to take a large
Speaker 2: portion of the game. And now you're working within the
Speaker 2: confines of the rules. You're not doing anything wrong. But
Speaker 2: if you sent an advanced signal, that's how people get paid.
Speaker 2: Now there are two questions here, I think for a
Speaker 2: reasonable person, the first question is is what we're watching
Speaker 2: legitimate competition top to bottom, in other words, where the
Speaker 2: results of games being tweaked, or is this just individual
Speaker 2: players who may be involved on various levels to make
Speaker 2: themselves individually more money.
Speaker 5: So again, I think when you really go down this
Speaker 5: rabbit hole, that's a great question. I think that when
Speaker 5: you're talking about investigation, specifically investigations like these, where the
Speaker 5: premise is we want to make sure that we let
Speaker 5: the public know what's going on and that we're getting
Speaker 5: in front of it because we want to protect the
Speaker 5: integrity of the league and we want you to know,
Speaker 5: as the fans, that we are always above board.
Speaker 4: That's a great smoke screen.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, that is a fantastic, fantastic smoke screen,
Speaker 5: because in reality, where there is smoke, there's always fire.
Speaker 5: And so again, this is not just players who want
Speaker 5: more money. These are always going to be coaches, owner,
Speaker 5: everybody wants more money. So the question it should always
Speaker 5: be at the forefront mind is is this just the
Speaker 5: sac official lamp?
Speaker 4: Is that what we're seeing right now?
Speaker 5: Let's let's get this distraction over here so we can
Speaker 5: tell you, oh, but we would.
Speaker 3: Never It doesn't always have to be the players.
Speaker 2: It could be someone who's a trainer, someone who just
Speaker 2: has inside information as to a player's status. Look, I'm
Speaker 2: not even absolving members of the media. I've been in
Speaker 2: locker rooms. I know if someone's gonna go Sometimes before
Speaker 2: we gave back in the day when I was doing
Speaker 2: beat reporting. So there's no telling to your point, how
Speaker 2: deep the rabbit hole goes. If we shouldn't just say
Speaker 2: this is conspiracy because there are a lot of folks
Speaker 2: with a lot of information who could choose to monetize it.
Speaker 2: That's my concern.
Speaker 5: But when you have that many people again, times are
Speaker 5: getting harder and harder and harder financially for a lot
Speaker 5: of people. So to your point, as a reporter, in
Speaker 5: some of these rooms, we're making the bare minimum. I
Speaker 5: know sometimes, especially for those of us who are on air,
Speaker 5: it looks like we're rolling in the dough. Trust me
Speaker 5: when I tell you that we are not. So when
Speaker 5: you see people who and you build these relationships with players,
Speaker 5: I can't even tell you how many times somebody has
Speaker 5: said something to me privately that I haven't shared publicly
Speaker 5: because you don't want to damage that relationship.
Speaker 4: Now, if they share something with.
Speaker 5: Me privately that I don't have to share it publicly,
Speaker 5: but I can make that work for me financially.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about? So that rabbit hole is
Speaker 4: going to go very very deep.
Speaker 2: I might as well make another prediction here that I
Speaker 2: think is going to come true, that the NBA is
Speaker 2: the NBA specifically, I'm not talking about baseball, not talking
Speaker 2: about football, just the NBA. The NBA is going to
Speaker 2: have another major gambling slash betting scandal before the end
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. I hope I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 2: don't think I will be. No.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm going to up the Annie.
Speaker 5: I'm going to say we'll have another betting scandal by
Speaker 5: the end of May.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh wow. In other words, before the end
Speaker 2: of this season.
Speaker 4: Yes, m hmmm mmm. I said it.
Speaker 2: Y'all write it down, you know, And I can't say
Speaker 2: that you'd be wrong, if only because folks get a
Speaker 2: little too loose and a little too complacent and comfortable.
Speaker 2: And even though these investigations are going on, you know,
Speaker 2: some knucklehead out there who may be a legitimate representative
Speaker 2: or just a friend of a representative of a player
Speaker 2: using their inside information to get rich, and then it
Speaker 2: all falls apart.
Speaker 4: Yep, Terry might even do Nino Brown and say if
Speaker 4: I'm going down.
Speaker 3: With me, that's a new Jack City reference. You got
Speaker 3: to pull back just for that.
Speaker 5: Or were you not head of the narcotics consort him
Speaker 5: the Mersey bloody CMB.
Speaker 4: Yes, I could not hear you.
Speaker 1: What you please speak up mister Brown.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was a member, but I was forced into
Speaker 3: this way of life.
Speaker 2: Hey look, I've been dealing drugs ever since I was
Speaker 2: twelve years old.
Speaker 3: See, I didn't have the chances that you had, Miss Hawking.
Speaker 3: I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth,
Speaker 3: Miss Hawkins.
Speaker 4: And I wanted to get out, but they threatened to
Speaker 4: kill my mother.
Speaker 3: Who are you talking about, mister Brown? What day they
Speaker 3: look at it? Kareem Ac Bah. That's right, the educated
Speaker 3: brother from the bank. He's the real head of the CMB,
Speaker 3: the Brays behind the whole thing. I told you this
Speaker 3: thing is breaking a needle Brown, and I got a list.
Speaker 2: Of whole in the court order in.
Speaker 3: The court now on the other side of New Jack City,
Speaker 3: Jack Uary. When we come back, let's talk about the
Speaker 3: super Bowl. Yes we can say it's the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: We're not promoting any product, so we don't have to
Speaker 2: call it the Big Game the super Bowl this Sunday
Speaker 2: and State Farm and other insurance advertisers are really pulling
Speaker 2: back on their ad spend.
Speaker 3: We'll see what that's about when we come back.
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Speaker 2: We're continuing to go beyond the box score with Jackie
Speaker 2: Ray and Super Bowl Sunday is coming this weekend. And
Speaker 2: State Farm, the insurance company which has received a lot
Speaker 2: of bad publicity lately concerning its management of insurance policies
Speaker 2: against the backdrop of the fires in California, and also
Speaker 2: State Farm, they have not one, but multiple members of
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs who are playing in the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl as endorsers of State Farm. You would think that
Speaker 2: they'd be spending goog gobs of money on this Super
Speaker 2: Bowl like they would any other super Bowl. But State
Speaker 2: Farm and other insurance providers they're not going to spend
Speaker 2: any money on the Super Bowl. They're pulling all their ads.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is as an outsider at
Speaker 2: least Jackie Ray, well.
Speaker 5: State Farm specifically, it's just a bad look to be
Speaker 5: in the biggest sports stage. And we here in California
Speaker 5: we still are talking very very very bad about them.
Speaker 5: So just for the optics, it's a good idea.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: They did say that they had I thought about at
Speaker 5: least considered moving away from the super Bowl before the fires,
Speaker 5: but then once the fires happened, and that's what kind
Speaker 5: of solidified it. But I think because the fires solidified it.
Speaker 5: I think this just speaks to the nature of the
Speaker 5: insurance game as a whole right now, because it's unfair
Speaker 5: to me, and this is just my soap box, and
Speaker 5: I'm a stand on it. It's unfair to me that
Speaker 5: they're spending billions of dollars on advertising, but they don't want.
Speaker 4: To help people get their homes fixed.
Speaker 3: So I think if I go, wait, don't run by that. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: Because State Farm alone last year spent one billion dollars
Speaker 2: in advertising, A billion dollars, right that could have rebuilt
Speaker 2: a lot of houses.
Speaker 4: I'm just sorrying so your premium.
Speaker 5: And this is the argument that I have always had
Speaker 5: with insurance because I've had to use my car insurance
Speaker 5: and I've gone for I think the last time I
Speaker 5: had an accident, I had gone for twelve years and
Speaker 5: never had an accident, and then I have and I've
Speaker 5: been paying insurance this whole time, and then I want
Speaker 5: to go get my car fixed and they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're not going to cover it.
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: If I would have just put that money that I
Speaker 5: was spending giving you into my savings. I could have
Speaker 5: paid for it myself out of pocket, no problem. And
Speaker 5: so this is the problem I think a lot of
Speaker 5: us have with insurance. It's like, what are we really
Speaker 5: paying for? Are we paying you for these great advertisements?
Speaker 5: I love the guy that plays Jake from State Farm
Speaker 5: out to him because I like him, you know, But
Speaker 5: the original guy was an actual employee for State Farm
Speaker 5: that wasn't making the kind of money that he was.
Speaker 5: Because this is a trained actor, you know, So he's right.
Speaker 5: The first guy was great, But what are we paying for?
Speaker 5: Are we paying for your advertisement or are we paying
Speaker 5: for you to ensure our homes? Because now in the
Speaker 5: dawn of social media, you can still get these advertisers out.
Speaker 5: You can get the word out so people will buy
Speaker 5: your insurance, and you have a brand's name.
Speaker 4: Now everyone knows State Farm.
Speaker 5: You don't have to spend billions of dollars on advertisement
Speaker 5: just to turn around and rob the people who pay
Speaker 5: for insurance.
Speaker 2: And this is a California story because State Farm is
Speaker 2: the largest insurance of both property and cars here in California.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have State Farm boo.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this though, talking about these commercials.
Speaker 2: There are other commercials which may be quasi political controversial.
Speaker 2: I know that Robert Kraft, the owner of the New
Speaker 2: England Patriots, has this anti hate, anti semitism, quasi political
Speaker 2: ad that they're running during the Super Bowl. I wonder,
Speaker 2: because the NFL used to try to stay away from
Speaker 2: all that, now they're seemingly more embracing that.
Speaker 3: Why do you think that.
Speaker 5: Is Well, I'm definitely not going to give the right
Speaker 5: answer to that right now. I think we have more
Speaker 5: of it because it's needed. We live in a time
Speaker 5: right now where hate lead is leading the way. So
Speaker 5: I think anybody who is against hate has the money
Speaker 5: to do an advertisement that is anti hate, no matter
Speaker 5: what it is, anti LGBTQ, anti black, We have all
Speaker 5: these hateful sentiments that I think, if you have the
Speaker 5: money to do an advertisement like that, kudos.
Speaker 4: To you, go ahead and do that. It's needed right now.
Speaker 2: I've also noticed, and maybe you've noticed it as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know there is the same clamor by companies
Speaker 2: to advertise during the Super Bowl when they know, like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, we can get millions of views of
Speaker 2: our ad online. We don't need to spend all these
Speaker 2: all these dollars for one day because most of the
Speaker 2: people have seen the ads before they can get to
Speaker 2: the actual Super Bowl. And just because you have all
Speaker 2: those eyeballs on that one day. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it has the same impact today as it did maybe
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years ago with the advent of YouTube.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, because you know, a couple of years ago, the
Speaker 5: big well, I don't even say a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: For the the longest time, if your team didn't make
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl, you were only watching for the commercials
Speaker 5: because advertisers went all out on their commercials.
Speaker 4: They were funny, they were witty.
Speaker 5: Dorito's actually had a competition where people would make their
Speaker 5: own commercials and those would appear in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: But guess what happened, like four or five years ago,
Speaker 5: all those marcials came out like a day before the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl on.
Speaker 3: YouTube on YouTube.
Speaker 5: So now, if your team's not in it, and this
Speaker 5: is a crazy thing, I always go to a Super
Speaker 5: Bowl party. If my team is not in it, I
Speaker 5: can tell you nobody's watching that game. We having drinking games.
Speaker 5: We we might be watching to see who dropped the ball.
Speaker 5: Last time I went to a drinking a Super Bowl party.
Speaker 5: We had to call each other by football name, so
Speaker 5: we were and if you didn't, you had to take
Speaker 5: a shot. So we're playing games, we're not really paying
Speaker 5: attention enough that you're going to speak to us as consumers.
Speaker 5: The party is the whole point exactly, Not the game, right.
Speaker 2: Not the commercials. The party is the point. Jackie Ray,
Speaker 2: you did it again. I appreciate you coming on with
Speaker 2: your insight. I was kind of a disappointed over the
Speaker 2: weekend to see by women's USC basketball team lose to Iowa.
Speaker 3: Was I mean, come on, come on, I know, boo,
Speaker 3: you know. I know it was.
Speaker 2: Hyped because it was Caitlin Clark's jersey retire ironment.
Speaker 3: But this is supposed to be the year for the Trojans,
Speaker 3: supposed to do ithout.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Asia Wilson.
Speaker 5: She got her jersey retired as well, so I want
Speaker 5: to shout her out too, because she getting your jersey retired.
Speaker 4: While you're still in your prime is a big deal.
Speaker 3: Oh a huge deal. Jack Array will talk to you
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 4: Talk to you next week.
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