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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Later with Mo Kelly and We're gonna go Beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the box Score with Jackie Ray.

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<v Speaker 3>We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>And some time ago, I think it was during the

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<v Speaker 2>show Hey Otani, just before the show Hey Otani, controversy

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, I said, and Jackie Ray said that

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<v Speaker 2>we're probably going to go down this gambling path within

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<v Speaker 2>the next three sixty five days. And since then, which

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<v Speaker 2>is still less than a year ago, we've gone down

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<v Speaker 2>that path a few times with a few players. John

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<v Speaker 2>tay Porter was banned from the NBA, but we also said.

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<v Speaker 3>There's probably more out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Come to find out that the investigation which led to

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<v Speaker 2>the banning of John tay Porter from the NBA has

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<v Speaker 2>now at least publicly been revealed that it included other players.

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<v Speaker 2>Terry Rozier, formerly with the Charlotte Hornets, he was under investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>He's given no but he was being investigated for underperforming,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly limiting minutes, possibly sending signals that he would have

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<v Speaker 2>decreased minutes on a given game in particular. Now, no

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<v Speaker 2>formal charges were levied and no specific acts of wrongdoing

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<v Speaker 2>were pointed at Rose. So let me just take this

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<v Speaker 2>a step back in Jackie Ray, what does this say

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<v Speaker 2>to you when there are more players being investigated that

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<v Speaker 2>we're not even aware of aside.

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<v Speaker 4>From we told you so.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, that's the first thing, and it's just a very

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<v Speaker 5>deep rabbit hole when you're talking about gambling. One of

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<v Speaker 5>the things about this story that I find interesting is

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<v Speaker 5>the potential of him sending signals which means he can

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<v Speaker 5>go out there, he can play his game regular and

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<v Speaker 5>then to you or I who are unaware of these signals,

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<v Speaker 5>we won't know what's going on. Maybe he just scratched

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<v Speaker 5>his ear or something just for example. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 5>what they are, but it just if there's a level

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<v Speaker 5>of you would have to really to more jobs in

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<v Speaker 5>the league, probably every league, with people just sitting around

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<v Speaker 5>and watching players to try to see if there's anything

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<v Speaker 5>off in their game. On top of that, you would

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<v Speaker 5>have to have different people in the locker room when

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<v Speaker 5>somebody's complaining about soreness or tightness in their foot or

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<v Speaker 5>in their leg, just to make sure you have to

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<v Speaker 5>have some sort of checks and balance on that, which

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<v Speaker 5>obviously these things that I'm saying, they're not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm not entirely sure what the fix is for this,

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<v Speaker 5>but we knew the second. We live in a capitalistic society.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have to know how many times I have

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<v Speaker 5>to say this. When you live in a capitalistic society

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<v Speaker 5>where money goes first, then just know people will do

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<v Speaker 5>whatever they can to get it. People who have a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of it will do whatever they can to get

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<v Speaker 5>more of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what we're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who don't follow betting, we're talking about, at

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<v Speaker 2>least on a small level, prop bets. You can have

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<v Speaker 2>a prop bet that Terry Rozier is going to get

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<v Speaker 2>fewer than five assists tonight. And if Terry Rozier, sorry

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<v Speaker 2>to pick on him, but he's in the story. If

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<v Speaker 2>Terry knows that, well, I can make a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>If I send a signal that my foot is bothering

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<v Speaker 2>me and I may not play as many minutes as

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<v Speaker 2>I usually would as a starter, then yes, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get his five assists in a given game.

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<v Speaker 5>To add on to that, though, people need to understand, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen athletes fall down with these major injuries and

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<v Speaker 5>you can tell immediately like they've torn in achilles or

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<v Speaker 5>something like that. But if you have soreness in your

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<v Speaker 5>elbow or soreness, there's no way that a trainer's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to say you're not sore, go back

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<v Speaker 5>out there and play. You just have to take the

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<v Speaker 5>player's word for it. So there's no rectifying that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also there are little tricks that athletes can do

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that. You could legitimately tweak your ankle and then

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<v Speaker 2>be asked to go back to a locker and get

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<v Speaker 2>treatment on it, which is going to take a large

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<v Speaker 2>portion of the game. And now you're working within the

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<v Speaker 2>confines of the rules. You're not doing anything wrong. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you sent an advanced signal, that's how people get paid.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are two questions here, I think for a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable person, the first question is is what we're watching

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate competition top to bottom, in other words, where the

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<v Speaker 2>results of games being tweaked, or is this just individual

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<v Speaker 2>players who may be involved on various levels to make

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<v Speaker 2>themselves individually more money.

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<v Speaker 5>So again, I think when you really go down this

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<v Speaker 5>rabbit hole, that's a great question. I think that when

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<v Speaker 5>you're talking about investigation, specifically investigations like these, where the

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<v Speaker 5>premise is we want to make sure that we let

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<v Speaker 5>the public know what's going on and that we're getting

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<v Speaker 5>in front of it because we want to protect the

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<v Speaker 5>integrity of the league and we want you to know,

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<v Speaker 5>as the fans, that we are always above board.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great smoke screen.

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<v Speaker 5>In my opinion, that is a fantastic, fantastic smoke screen,

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<v Speaker 5>because in reality, where there is smoke, there's always fire.

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<v Speaker 5>And so again, this is not just players who want

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<v Speaker 5>more money. These are always going to be coaches, owner,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody wants more money. So the question it should always

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<v Speaker 5>be at the forefront mind is is this just the

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<v Speaker 5>sac official lamp?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that what we're seeing right now?

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<v Speaker 5>Let's let's get this distraction over here so we can

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<v Speaker 5>tell you, oh, but we would.

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<v Speaker 3>Never It doesn't always have to be the players.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be someone who's a trainer, someone who just

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<v Speaker 2>has inside information as to a player's status. Look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not even absolving members of the media. I've been in

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<v Speaker 2>locker rooms. I know if someone's gonna go Sometimes before

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<v Speaker 2>we gave back in the day when I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>beat reporting. So there's no telling to your point, how

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<v Speaker 2>deep the rabbit hole goes. If we shouldn't just say

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<v Speaker 2>this is conspiracy because there are a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of information who could choose to monetize it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my concern.

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<v Speaker 5>But when you have that many people again, times are

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<v Speaker 5>getting harder and harder and harder financially for a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people. So to your point, as a reporter, in

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<v Speaker 5>some of these rooms, we're making the bare minimum. I

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<v Speaker 5>know sometimes, especially for those of us who are on air,

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<v Speaker 5>it looks like we're rolling in the dough. Trust me

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<v Speaker 5>when I tell you that we are not. So when

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<v Speaker 5>you see people who and you build these relationships with players,

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<v Speaker 5>I can't even tell you how many times somebody has

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<v Speaker 5>said something to me privately that I haven't shared publicly

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<v Speaker 5>because you don't want to damage that relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, if they share something with.

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<v Speaker 5>Me privately that I don't have to share it publicly,

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<v Speaker 5>but I can make that work for me financially.

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<v Speaker 4>What are we talking about? So that rabbit hole is

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<v Speaker 4>going to go very very deep.

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<v Speaker 2>I might as well make another prediction here that I

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<v Speaker 2>think is going to come true, that the NBA is

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA specifically, I'm not talking about baseball, not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about football, just the NBA. The NBA is going to

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<v Speaker 2>have another major gambling slash betting scandal before the end

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty five. I hope I'm wrong, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I will be. No.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I'm going to up the Annie.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to say we'll have another betting scandal by

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<v Speaker 5>the end of May.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, oh wow. In other words, before the end

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<v Speaker 2>of this season.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, m hmmm mmm. I said it.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all write it down, you know, And I can't say

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<v Speaker 2>that you'd be wrong, if only because folks get a

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<v Speaker 2>little too loose and a little too complacent and comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though these investigations are going on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some knucklehead out there who may be a legitimate representative

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<v Speaker 2>or just a friend of a representative of a player

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<v Speaker 2>using their inside information to get rich, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>all falls apart.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, Terry might even do Nino Brown and say if

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going down.

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<v Speaker 3>With me, that's a new Jack City reference. You got

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<v Speaker 3>to pull back just for that.

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<v Speaker 5>Or were you not head of the narcotics consort him

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<v Speaker 5>the Mersey bloody CMB.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I could not hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>What you please speak up mister Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was a member, but I was forced into

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<v Speaker 3>this way of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey look, I've been dealing drugs ever since I was

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I didn't have the chances that you had, Miss Hawking.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth,

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Hawkins.

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<v Speaker 4>And I wanted to get out, but they threatened to

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<v Speaker 4>kill my mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are you talking about, mister Brown? What day they

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<v Speaker 3>look at it? Kareem Ac Bah. That's right, the educated

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<v Speaker 3>brother from the bank. He's the real head of the CMB,

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<v Speaker 3>the Brays behind the whole thing. I told you this

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<v Speaker 3>thing is breaking a needle Brown, and I got a list.

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<v Speaker 2>Of whole in the court order in.

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<v Speaker 3>The court now on the other side of New Jack City,

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Uary. When we come back, let's talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>super Bowl. Yes we can say it's the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not promoting any product, so we don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>call it the Big Game the super Bowl this Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>and State Farm and other insurance advertisers are really pulling

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see what that's about when we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're continuing to go beyond the box score with Jackie

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<v Speaker 2>Ray and Super Bowl Sunday is coming this weekend. And

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<v Speaker 2>State Farm, the insurance company which has received a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of bad publicity lately concerning its management of insurance policies

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<v Speaker 2>against the backdrop of the fires in California, and also

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<v Speaker 2>State Farm, they have not one, but multiple members of

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<v Speaker 2>the Kansas City Chiefs who are playing in the Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl as endorsers of State Farm. You would think that

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be spending goog gobs of money on this Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl like they would any other super Bowl. But State

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<v Speaker 2>Farm and other insurance providers they're not going to spend

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<v Speaker 2>any money on the Super Bowl. They're pulling all their ads.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think that is as an outsider at

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<v Speaker 2>least Jackie Ray, well.

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<v Speaker 5>State Farm specifically, it's just a bad look to be

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<v Speaker 5>in the biggest sports stage. And we here in California

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<v Speaker 5>we still are talking very very very bad about them.

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<v Speaker 5>So just for the optics, it's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>They did say that they had I thought about at

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<v Speaker 5>least considered moving away from the super Bowl before the fires,

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<v Speaker 5>but then once the fires happened, and that's what kind

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<v Speaker 5>of solidified it. But I think because the fires solidified it.

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<v Speaker 5>I think this just speaks to the nature of the

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<v Speaker 5>insurance game as a whole right now, because it's unfair

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<v Speaker 5>to me, and this is just my soap box, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a stand on it. It's unfair to me that

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<v Speaker 5>they're spending billions of dollars on advertising, but they don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>To help people get their homes fixed.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think if I go, wait, don't run by that. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because State Farm alone last year spent one billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in advertising, A billion dollars, right that could have rebuilt

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of houses.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just sorrying so your premium.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is the argument that I have always had

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<v Speaker 5>with insurance because I've had to use my car insurance

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<v Speaker 5>and I've gone for I think the last time I

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<v Speaker 5>had an accident, I had gone for twelve years and

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<v Speaker 5>never had an accident, and then I have and I've

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<v Speaker 5>been paying insurance this whole time, and then I want

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<v Speaker 5>to go get my car fixed and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>we're not going to cover it.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 5>If I would have just put that money that I

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<v Speaker 5>paid for it myself out of pocket, no problem. And

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<v Speaker 5>so this is the problem I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>us have with insurance. It's like, what are we really

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<v Speaker 5>paying for? Are we paying you for these great advertisements?

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<v Speaker 5>I love the guy that plays Jake from State Farm

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<v Speaker 5>out to him because I like him, you know, But

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<v Speaker 5>the original guy was an actual employee for State Farm

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<v Speaker 5>that wasn't making the kind of money that he was.

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<v Speaker 5>Because this is a trained actor, you know, So he's right.

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<v Speaker 5>The first guy was great, But what are we paying for?

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<v Speaker 5>Are we paying for your advertisement or are we paying

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<v Speaker 5>for you to ensure our homes? Because now in the

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<v Speaker 5>dawn of social media, you can still get these advertisers out.

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<v Speaker 5>You can get the word out so people will buy

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<v Speaker 5>your insurance, and you have a brand's name.

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<v Speaker 4>Now everyone knows State Farm.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have to spend billions of dollars on advertisement

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<v Speaker 5>just to turn around and rob the people who pay

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a California story because State Farm is

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<v Speaker 2>the largest insurance of both property and cars here in California.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I have State Farm boo.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this though, talking about these commercials.

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<v Speaker 2>There are other commercials which may be quasi political controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Robert Kraft, the owner of the New

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<v Speaker 2>England Patriots, has this anti hate, anti semitism, quasi political

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<v Speaker 2>ad that they're running during the Super Bowl. I wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>because the NFL used to try to stay away from

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<v Speaker 2>all that, now they're seemingly more embracing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you think that.

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<v Speaker 5>Is Well, I'm definitely not going to give the right

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<v Speaker 5>answer to that right now. I think we have more

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<v Speaker 5>of it because it's needed. We live in a time

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<v Speaker 5>right now where hate lead is leading the way. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think anybody who is against hate has the money

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<v Speaker 5>to do an advertisement that is anti hate, no matter

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<v Speaker 5>what it is, anti LGBTQ, anti black, We have all

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<v Speaker 5>these hateful sentiments that I think, if you have the

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<v Speaker 5>money to do an advertisement like that, kudos.

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<v Speaker 4>To you, go ahead and do that. It's needed right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also noticed, and maybe you've noticed it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know there is the same clamor by companies

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<v Speaker 2>to advertise during the Super Bowl when they know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, we can get millions of views of

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<v Speaker 2>our ad online. We don't need to spend all these

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<v Speaker 2>all these dollars for one day because most of the

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<v Speaker 2>people have seen the ads before they can get to

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<v Speaker 2>the actual Super Bowl. And just because you have all

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<v Speaker 2>those eyeballs on that one day. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it has the same impact today as it did maybe

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<v Speaker 2>ten to fifteen years ago with the advent of YouTube.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, because you know, a couple of years ago, the

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<v Speaker 5>big well, I don't even say a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>For the the longest time, if your team didn't make

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<v Speaker 5>the Super Bowl, you were only watching for the commercials

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<v Speaker 5>because advertisers went all out on their commercials.

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<v Speaker 4>They were funny, they were witty.

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<v Speaker 5>Dorito's actually had a competition where people would make their

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<v Speaker 5>own commercials and those would appear in the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 5>But guess what happened, like four or five years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>all those marcials came out like a day before the

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<v Speaker 5>Super Bowl on.

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 5>So now, if your team's not in it, and this

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<v Speaker 5>is a crazy thing, I always go to a Super

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<v Speaker 5>Bowl party. If my team is not in it, I

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<v Speaker 5>can tell you nobody's watching that game. We having drinking games.

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<v Speaker 5>We we might be watching to see who dropped the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>Last time I went to a drinking a Super Bowl party.

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<v Speaker 5>We had to call each other by football name, so

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<v Speaker 5>we were and if you didn't, you had to take

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<v Speaker 5>a shot. So we're playing games, we're not really paying

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<v Speaker 5>attention enough that you're going to speak to us as consumers.

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<v Speaker 5>The party is the whole point exactly, Not the game, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the commercials. The party is the point. Jackie Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>you did it again. I appreciate you coming on with

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<v Speaker 2>your insight. I was kind of a disappointed over the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend to see by women's USC basketball team lose to Iowa.

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<v Speaker 3>Was I mean, come on, come on, I know, boo,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I know it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Hyped because it was Caitlin Clark's jersey retire ironment.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is supposed to be the year for the Trojans,

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to do ithout.

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<v Speaker 4>Shout out to Asia Wilson.

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<v Speaker 5>She got her jersey retired as well, so I want

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<v Speaker 5>to shout her out too, because she getting your jersey retired.

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<v Speaker 4>While you're still in your prime is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh a huge deal. Jack Array will talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>next week.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk to you next week.

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