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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Tony from Hack the Movies here and today

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we're talking about the worst Spider Man movie ever made.

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Shut up, yes, it is on today on today on

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Hack the Movies. Hello, Gil Hello.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good attention grabbing opening?

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Speaker 3: It is good, Like if you're gonna crap on another movie,

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it gets the worst one and you can't even get

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your own starting, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how I also started the Temple of

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Doom episode. I said it was the best one. Shut up,

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yes it is. H Yes, amazing Spider Man two. I

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think this is airing probably the same day Brand New

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Day comes out. This is exciting, which everyone keeps saying

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is either going to be the best or the worst

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Spider Man ever. A lot of Twitter is like anti

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MCU Spider Man, which is weird because it's like one

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of the only good things going in the MCU post

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In the game.

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Speaker 3: What I always hear is that he's always paired up

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with another hero, Stark's in there. Strange, Like that's true, yeah, ish,

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but it doesn't mean it's a bad movie.

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Speaker 1: But that's like I think I mentioned I might have

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mentioned with you, but definitely in the Spider Noir, I

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think I mentioned it where like the first solo issue

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of Spider Man, not first appearance. The first solo issue

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is with the Fantastic Four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, yeah, that's kind of like his thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I decided, you know what, let's go back and watch

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the actual worst Spider Man movie. Like you look, Spider

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Man three is out there, obviously, but it's not as

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bad as this.

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Speaker 2: This is still one of the worst superhero things I've

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ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel.

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Speaker 3: About it my expression there, you're like, oh, no, which

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way is this gonna go?

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Speaker 2: There was some pushback in the previous episode.

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Speaker 1: You thought I was going a little too hard on

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Amazing Spider Man one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's you can recognize the positive

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elements in something and still acknowledge that it's mostly bad.

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Okay now, But the way I look at this is

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that the first Amazing Spider Man commits one of the

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worst possible cinema sins. It's it's boring, and it's it's planned.

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I think this movie is less competently made. It is

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a mess. But if I have to go back and

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revisit them, I have a lot more fun revisiting this

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one because it is a mess. It's but I'll also

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say I think they knew what they had in their hands.

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So before the movie came out thanks to the Sony Leeks.

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Yes we know what Amy Pascal thought about it, and

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she wrote in an email, uneven, schizotne weird, disjointed, No

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one single great set piece because action is just big

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and not storytelling, not funny. If I'm really honest, wrong

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director and wrong casting, we will almost get away with

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it and we can never go back. But I think

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they recognize that, and then we need to pull out

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all the stops to try and save this movie. And

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I remember years ago and I got into an argument

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with my friend because I was a big movie guy.

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He's a big music guy, and he told me movies

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are nothing without the music. He's like, you like the

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Brendan Fraser Mummy, It's just because of the music. And

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I thought, held, yeah, so I thought he was crazy,

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But then this movie finally made me realize you can't

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save a movie with music. But like, they pulled out

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all the stuffs, this soundtrack is insane.

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Speaker 2: They got the Magnificent six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. Yeah, they had they had to come

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up with a name for like they basically brought the

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Avengers of musicians together to try and rescue this movie.

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And like the editing and they worked overtime. We're gonna

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cut this out, stick this together, and it comes together

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in this in this insane thing that I find way

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more entertaining than Amazing Spider Man. And then I would

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say it's kind of tied in some ways with Spider

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Man three, but there's a tiebreaker in the movie which

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we'll get too later.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we should also talk about like where Spider Man

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was at this point.

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Speaker 2: At this point, MCU was on fire. It's doing great.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's I think a year after this is Avengers two,

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and everyone's like, man, I really wish Spider Man was

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with the Avengers. That would be nice, And said Sony

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was like, how about this, how about a whole Spider universe.

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We're gonna do a Venom movie, a Sinister Six movie.

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They had a writer and everything for the Sinister Six movie,

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and this is one of those. I mean, the MCU

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did have an issue where like their movies were kind

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of just setting up other movies at.

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Speaker 2: That point, like Avengers too. There's so much of it.

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Speaker 1: It's like we gotta set up Civil War. We gotta

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set up Ragnarok and all that other.

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Speaker 3: Dame who is Wanda? She has powers that can do

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magic stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, setting up everything.

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Speaker 1: Uh. But yeah, this movie was supposed to like be

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spun off into multiple projects and ant May. But wasn't

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it like what an aunt May prequel?

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Speaker 3: Was that what it was supposed to they were talking

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about that? Yeah, what the fuck would that be? I mean,

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they were talking about a Madam Web movie. And to

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this day I'll be like, did you know they were

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talking about making a Madame Web movie? And then I'm

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like they actually made it? I forgot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was like a Silver Sable movie

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they wanted to make.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was me Black Cat and Silver

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Sable teaming up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they just assumed that Spider Man would do

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good no matter what. And look, Spider Man's probably gonna

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do good no no matter what. I say this In

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two days from now, it'll be like Spiderman Brandon New

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Day is the worst performing movie ever. But like they

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need to do really, really well or else you won't

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get more.

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Speaker 3: And you definitely don't want the next one to make

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less money than the previous one. And that's yes. Spider

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Man two I think did that right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean less money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like think about him, like they were all

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making more and more money, Like Spider Man three made

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so much money.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's embarrassing to go down from that. Yes, that

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would be like making like three Batman movies. In the

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last two of both crack a billion dollars and then

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you make a Batman movie with Superman in it and

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it doesn't make a billion dollars. That would be very embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: If you went back to thirty years and told like

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child me that they're gonna make a Batman versus Superman

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movie and I'll but there's no way they can screw

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that up too. Oh that's how you do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, how about a Spider Man movie where he's fighting

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three villains?

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Speaker 2: Well, they tried it, toy.

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Speaker 1: That's the funny thing. They did not learn the lesson

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from Spider Man three.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: And look, you could have.

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Speaker 1: Multiple villains, and I think Homecoming did it a good

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way where it was like Vulture is the main villain,

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there will be others, the Tinker, there's a scorpion, but

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he's not really in the Scorpion outfit. There's there's two

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shockers in it, Like there were multiple villains, but they

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made it clear that Vulture was the main one, probably

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with Spider Man three, and this one is like they

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don't know who they want the main villain to be.

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Speaker 3: And they try to make each one somehow personally tied

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to the hero. Yeah, it works better where it's like, Okay,

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there's the one main guy that's got this personal history

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with him, and then as a superhero you've got to

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deal with villains all the time. Yeah, you've got some

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of the throwaway ones. Yeah, this is not that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's it's a total mess.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they for some reason, they really thought they

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could build a whole franchise from this, and of course

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this one failing is when they finally went to Marvel

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and they're like, okay, we'll share Spider Man.

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Speaker 3: Supposedly, Kevin Feigey went to Amy Pascal and suggested. The

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analogy he apparently used was, you know how they brought

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in Christopher Nolan to take over the Batman franchise, and

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you really righted the ship. That's kind of like us,

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we're Christopher Nolan. And then she supposedly threw a sandwich

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at him. Yeah, and then eventually, yeah, she came back

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and she was like, so, what was that you said

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about that Christopher Nolan. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they finally did that. But then of course Sony

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was like, all right, well we're sharing Spider Man. It's like, oh,

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but all those other characters, we could do whatever we

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want with them. We don't need Marvel. And then was

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it three Venom movies Madam Webb, craven Ammorvius. They showed

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all the problems started here. They just got overly ambitious,

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But yeah, you're right. The music, Mark Webb returns as

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director music Hans Zimmer, with Farrell Williams, Johnny mar Mike Einzigger,

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Chunk XL, Steve Mazarro and Andrew Was. I don't even

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know half those people. I know Pharrell and Junkie Xcel.

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I don't know anyone else, but.

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Speaker 3: Mark Webb apparently dubbed them the Magnificent Six in reference to.

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Speaker 1: The Sanisor Six. Yes, and they got like all star

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writers for this. Well, one was Jeff Pinker. We looked

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up what he did and I've already forgotten the story

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was by James Vanderbilt and the next three guys. But yeah,

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so Jeff Pinker. And then he teamed up with Alex Kurtzman.

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Speaker 3: And Robert or Magnificent three.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Alex Kurtzman, who's killed Star Trek forever I think is.

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Speaker 3: Let me get my hands in it, spider Man. It's

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a nice Spider Man you've got there.

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Speaker 1: And then Robert Dorsey, who did nothing wrong. We don't

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speak ill of the dead here, especially especially if we

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if they die while we're filming a move. We're filming

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a movie review saying that they weren't the best writer.

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We don't speak ill of the dead.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't the original plan, but I was like, Tony,

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you can't say all that crazy stuff you've got written there.

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Speaker 1: I would never say anything bad about Robert Orsey in

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the middle of a Mission Impossible three review. And then

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after the review was done, I pull out my phone

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and realize he died and have to awkwardly put an

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insert there. I would never do that, Gil, He's great

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and I loved it.

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Speaker 2: That isn't a real thing that happened.

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Speaker 3: When you make eye contact with me and yellow like

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that was Jane's popping out of your forehead, I believe everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But Dorsie and Kurtzman, you know, Star Trek two thousand

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and nine, Okay, Transformers too, and all that they eventually made,

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like some of the biggest shlock I think they were

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involved with, like the Mummy reboot, the twenty seventeen one.

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Speaker 2: I think one of.

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Speaker 1: Them was involved with the Dark Universe, and it never

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got off the ground. I don't know why Hollywood went

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so in on these guys.

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Speaker 3: I know, well, I mean, the thing that gives me

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hope in my life is that I think it was

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the guys who wrote Morbius. They were brought back for

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Madam Webb. And if you can come back from that

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job and get another offer, the bar is not as

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Speaker 1: But a lot of the when it's something like that,

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a lot of it's just like, well, how much writing

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did they actually do? How much ghost writings happening behind

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Speaker 3: They're watching this right now and they're like, yeah, let's

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go with that, Yeah write this, yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kurtzman and RSI, who were making some of the

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worst franchise or they would always like do something good

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and then completely ruin it, like Transformers. One is fine,

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but two is the man their heroes.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're like, you know what, we're too dependent on

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IP and franchises, so let's get our foot in the

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door by making a good one and then tank it,

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so he would be forced to come up with the

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original ideas well.

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Speaker 1: Look, Kurtzman, he did his best on Star Trek, and

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right now there are no new Star Treks in development

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for the first times.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I have it here, Jeff Pinker.

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Speaker 1: He would end up going on to make great films

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like The Fifth Wave, The Dark Tower, Jumanji two, okay,

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Jumanji three, and he will be writing Jumanji four.

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Speaker 3: People like, did you mind your movies? I haven't. I

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haven't seen any of them.

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Speaker 1: But well, first one obviously, obviously Ron Williams. Yeah, but yeah,

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and I haven't watched the new ones.

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Speaker 2: When the new one comes out, maybe i'll do all

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Speaker 3: We're so cool, you don't even bother to see him.

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Everyone's seen him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't even care for Jumanji anyway. Let's talk

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about Spider Man five. I was not excited for this movie,

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uh because after amazing Spider Man, which in the previous review,

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I said, I was lukewarm in the beginning. The more

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I thought about it, the more I realized it was bad.

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like catch up with the Shared Universe, which we should

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mention X Men was also doing this. They're like, well,

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we have Fantastic Foxes, like we have Fantastic Four and

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X Men. We'll do a shared universe and fant Force.

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They had too many production issues or like never mind, it's.

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Speaker 2: Its own thing. Cut out any mute and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then they're like, we're gonna do the Gambit movie

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and all this stuff, and they did that.

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Speaker 2: Group FO together and then none of that happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they Everyone wanted their own shared

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universe at this point.

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Speaker 3: Because of money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, money, But it's like anyway, I was not

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excited going in for this. I got fucking hammered before

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I went to see this movie. I got real drunk.

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Did not help the viewing at all, did not help

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the viewing. But there was one thing I just wanted

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to see. I wanted to see Paul Giamati as the Rhino.

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I just I saw this behind the scenes photos of

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him wearing all the styrofoam, Like that's hilarious, but like

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I wanted it to be Private Parts Paul Giamati, Like,

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I don't know why. In my head, I just wanted

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him to be with Spider Man, like you goddamn motherfucker

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Spider Man, you're the anti Christ Spider Man. If you

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watch Private Parts, that would Stern movie.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, matter what your feelings are on Stern, Paul

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Giamatti is fantastic in it as pig Vomit, the executive

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who hates him, and he just is screaming NonStop and house.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like that's the exact Paul Gimanni. We got here,

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except with a Russian accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but no cursing either. But Paul Giamatti's great. So

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him is the rhino. I'm like, that's really funny. I'm like,

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I kind of want to see that. I was locked down.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was like I went into this movie

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with low expectations, and I remember when he came on screen,

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I was like, oh my god, this movie's gonna be horrible.

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And that was right after like the cold open with

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his parents again, and I'm like, oh my god, this

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movie's I'm.

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Speaker 2: Glad you mentioned that being the opening.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get into this facet to it. It opens

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up with Richard Parker doing science on spiders. We make

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sure to see the gears inside his watch because that's

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like a visual thing that will show up at the

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end of the movie. It's like poetry roy or whatever.

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So he gets locked out of his lab like something's

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going on. Alarms go off, and he gets out of there.

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He takes a bunch of stuff and gets out of there,

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and then he'd be learned that while Peter was playing

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Hide and Seek in the beginning of the first one,

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he was down there shooting av log yes about like

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what he has done. He's like, they'll think I'm a

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monster and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And hey everybody, So day's not going great.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, then we see what we saw in the

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previous movie, the thing being trashed. He packs up, Peter

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gets him out of there. Then he's on the plane

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with the sony Vivo. Was it five O or vivo?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it was.

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Speaker 3: You got Reese e Fons for me to how to

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pronounce that. The rest is on you.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing. This sony was really pushing these

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hard they kept putting all their products in their movies,

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and I get it, but it got like real distracting

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because like everyone has the same laptop, they all have

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Sony phones. It's like, really, not one person has an

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iPhone and twenty fourteen not one of them.

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Speaker 3: It takes place in an alternate timeline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that the one joke what really

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got me was when I saw this movie. There was

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a trailer for the remake of Annie starring Jamie Fox

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from Sony, and then I think during the Times Square fight,

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Jamie Fox might be near like an Annie sign, like

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reminding you again, Hey, Sony.

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Speaker 3: We own think boy, I can't wait to see this.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he tells his wife that he's gonna leave everything.

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He's gonna upload everything to rose Velt. It's the big mystery,

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what is Rosevelt? She goes to the bathroom and then

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Richard realizes that the co pilot his hands are all bloody.

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He's like, hey, where where's the pilot? Turns out this

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is an assassin. He's like, I don't know why you

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guys thought you'd be able to get out of here,

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you idiots. So, uh, they're fighting, and uh, Mary's injured

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and Uh. He finishes uploading on his Sony fevo.

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Speaker 3: Are we really gonna be able to upload this well

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with the uploads he's available on with Sony.

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Speaker 1: And during this fight scene, randomly, for no reason, the

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dead pilot was already dead, just moves forward. If I

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didn't know any better, Gil, I'd say that this was

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part of an extended scene where Richard Parker goes in

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the cockpit and knocks him over on accident. We watched

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the deleted scenes for this, that is what happened. But

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the way it's cut now, it's like, why did.

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Speaker 3: He move on one of those muscle spasms?

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Speaker 2: It so Yeah, the plane is shooting in the sky.

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Speaker 1: They're all like flying around in zero gravity, and he like,

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what does it depressurizes the cabin by shooting out the glass.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they.

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Speaker 1: Finish uploading the video and then they all die horrifically.

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That's the beginning of the movie. When you go on Twitter,

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people will share this next scene. We're about the scene.

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They're like, what a great opening, classic opening. Tom Holland

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doesn't have as much sauce as this opening or and.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's not the opening.

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Speaker 1: The opening movie is like middle aged people murder each

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other on a plane.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, and this is if you if you're disappointed

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in the first movie and all the dumb parent stuff,

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then it's very disappointing to start the movie on this setup. Yeah,

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and there's's so much wrong with it. Like, okay, number one,

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you're taking away from the he's just an ordinary kid

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from Queens. He gets powers. Now we're saying there's all

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this secret origin stuff, which you could do a version

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of it story that works, But there's nothing inherently interesting

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about this. Like if I said, like, you know, Peter's

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parents were up to something super secret, what is it,

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it's not that mysterious. And then on top of that,

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so we've seen the story of like a kid who

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was raised by someone who is in his biological parents. Yeah,

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and there's like a yearning to meet his real quote

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unquote real parents, and there's this theoretical, idealized version of them.

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met his parents and they seem honestly like jerks. Yeah.

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What are Richard's last words to his sons? Like be good?

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And he leaves. He never shows an ounce of emotion

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or regret. His delivery is so flat on everything, So like,

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I hate this guy.

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: The full circumstances of what led to this moment of

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his office getting ransacked and everything, but it sounds like

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he figured out they were up to no good and

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he wanted to expose them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He We hear it later on and like a vlog.

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Speaker 3: He basically came up with no plan and how to

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handle this. It was just like, well, let's go, what

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about Peter. He'll be fine, Let's get out of here. Yeah,

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Pete good.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's again they're doing all the parent stuff and

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as we learn from all the deleted material, this intro

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and stuff was supposed to build up to something.

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Speaker 2: At the end, and then it didn't. Yeah, and then

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it did.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we cuts a Spider Man swinging and for

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some reason, Twitter thinks this is the greatest swinging scene.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: I think they love just that when it starts on

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his back and you can see the fabric and it's

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just shaking in the wind, Okay, flowing in the wind.

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Speaker 1: Cool, So that's I mean the swinging never got as

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good as the end of the First Spider Man the

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Big Finale. I feel like that was like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, swinging scene, but no, the swinging's like fine.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know why they are like, yep, that

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means this movie's perfect and way better. I'm like, no,

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this isn't better than the Tom Hollin ones, just because

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this one scene has good swinging.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's.

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Speaker 1: Swinging around, and uh, we get to see Alexi Rhino.

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Speaker 3: I found him so obnoxious.

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Speaker 1: Rhino stealing truck or whatever, a truck full of stolen

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plutonium from Oscorp. I don't know what they were doing

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with it, but yeah, this was such a big letdown.

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I'm like, man, I love Paul Giamati. What the fuck

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is this?

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Speaker 3: Why do you need I guess you need Paul Giamoni

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because this is set up for a sinister six movie.

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All these doings is shouting his head off the whole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently he had fun doing it, which I guess

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it's I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure he had a great time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I forgot to mention. I forgot to mention.

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A lot of this film was shot in Rochester, New York,

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where Kodak is from there's a there's a Kodak sponsorship

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later in the film, like, oh that didn't last long.

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Speaker 3: That was like the tail end of coode Ac not

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they were saying, we have a Kodeac spot. They got excited,

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get your film developed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was shot in Rochester, and all our good

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friend at Rochester, like Carl, Kaylee Trucker, Andy, Vinnie Paulino,

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they just let this happen. They didn't stop and they

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could have stopped this at any time, and they just

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let this movie happen. And we've all been cursed with

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every I think I think the city of Rochester should apologize.

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So what I'm gonna say, as I said, amazing Spider

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Man who filmed in Rochester. And I know a few

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people up here who did nothing to stop it, and

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I'm seeing one of them now. Hello Kayley from Once

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Over with Kaylee. Well, Hello, how are you today? Uh?

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Not doing well? It comes to my attention that you

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actually saw this film being made. I did. It's your

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favorite movie, right, No, it's actually the worst Spider Man

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movie ever made, and you saw it happen and you

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did nothing to stop it.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: You didn't stop this? That is correct. That's how much

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I love you. You saw Paul Giamati and you didn't tell

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him this was a bad idea. I did not. I'm

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very very sorry. Okay on behalf of you and the

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people of Rochester. Can you apologize to the rest of

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the normal people in the world who had to see

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this movie for not stopping it. I'm deeply sorry that

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this movie exists because of my city. Tax breaks are

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a bitch. There we go, There we go. Rochester has

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apologized for their participation in The Amazing Spider Man two.

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Speaker 3: Do we accept the apology? So?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I like that he knocks on the window for

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00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,839
the rhino and then the rhino rolls down the window.

471
00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,559
Speaker 3: Wait, why it's such a tonal change from the first movie. Yeah,

472
00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:40,559
because now we are in absolute cartoon mode, like he's

473
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,960
juggling plutonium. Yeah, and we keep.

474
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: Exciting it is.

475
00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this just like I think, if you're gonna

476
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,319
make a bad movie, swing for the fences and go

477
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,799
over the top. So, like I said, you can be

478
00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:52,200
a fun mess instead of just a boring mess.

479
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: You know what happened in between the Dark Knight stuff ended,

480
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,880
and then I think Man of Steel just did whatever

481
00:21:58,079 --> 00:21:59,759
and also had that gratty tone. And then we saw

482
00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:02,480
how the Marvel was doing Marvel Cinematic Universe is doing.

483
00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:05,000
They were like, we gotta make it more fun and lighthearted,

484
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,480
get rid of the edgy, angsty stuff. Make it more fun.

485
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:13,319
I think that's what they did. So, yeah, he's you're right,

486
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,079
he's struggling all the platonium. Then he saves Max played

487
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,599
by Jamie Fox, like kind of fresh off of Django Unchained,

488
00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:28,640
and he's a nerd. I don't remember Electro's origins from

489
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680
the comics. I don't remember him being a nerd. He's

490
00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,319
Jim Carrey from Batman Forever, is really what he is.

491
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,599
It's like literally that yeah, but yeah, Spider Man saves

492
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,200
him and his blueprints and he's like, you're my eyes

493
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,440
and ears out here.

494
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: And it's literally like cartoon character. He's holding like literal

495
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,440
blueprints like a bunch of party come over. It's also funny.

496
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,759
I don't remember if Andrew Garfield was like this in

497
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,400
the first movie, but here he'll slip into this weird

498
00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:58,119
attempt at a New York accent and they get my

499
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,319
eyes and he is out here.

500
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays up the New York stuff. A little

501
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:02,799
bit more.

502
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he won't for a while, and then I'll

503
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,079
slip into it here and there.

504
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why he did that. Yeah, uh but yeah,

505
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,799
then Max is like, I'm obsessed with Spider Man now.

506
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,039
Speaker 3: Yep, sure you need for a villain motivation.

507
00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: Here's another thing. I've read some Electro comics. I don't

508
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,480
remember him being like severely, like very autistic. And that's

509
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,240
kind of like a problem. Obviously not a problem, but

510
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,079
like the problem with this movie is like he's like

511
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,960
a little chew on the spectrum to the point where

512
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,000
I'm like, I kind of feel bad that Spider Man

513
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,599
has to fight him now, Like it's not fun to

514
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,319
see them fight.

515
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,079
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, in those Sony weeks, we also got

516
00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:44,039
a copy of Kevin Feigey's notes on a movie, and

517
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,640
one of them was especially the scene will get to

518
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,240
in a bit where Electro's talking to himself and pretending

519
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:51,960
Spider Man's in his house. He's like, oh, Spider Man,

520
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,960
you made me this cake. Oh you shouldn't have You're great.

521
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,720
He was like, do we need that scene? It kind

522
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,680
of makes him look literally insane. Yeah, and he's not

523
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:00,200
Electro yet, and it's a little weird.

524
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,799
Speaker 1: It's not like he's like a sociopath or psychopath or something.

525
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:06,160
It's like, oh no, he's like got really bad social

526
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,920
issues and I'm not really looking forward to Spider Man

527
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:10,720
figuring out how to blow him up at the end.

528
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,759
This is really.

529
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:17,319
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we need to adamize this guy. It's that weird

530
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,119
thing of like sometimes the movie is a total cartoon

531
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:22,680
where a character talking to themselves wouldn't be that weird,

532
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,079
but it straddles the line where it just gets like

533
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,440
and you have at this. This is where the music

534
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,720
also immediately makes itself known, because in this car chase,

535
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,559
it keeps cutting between Spider Man's perspective, Electro and Paul Gimatti,

536
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,799
and the music will completely change. It'll be like metal

537
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:42,160
like man craziness for uh Rhino, and then it goes

538
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,559
back to electro and it's like that, like.

539
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spider Man catches up and he gets all the

540
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,079
tubes and he just he just won't shut up. He

541
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,640
just doesn't. I liked when the truck hit him actually

542
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,000
because I'm like, oh, thank god, shut up. He gets

543
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,319
a call out from Gwen Stacy. Apparently this is all

544
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,160
happening on graduation.

545
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: Day, yep. Crazy, Like I get if.

546
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,559
Speaker 1: He's at graduation, here's an emergency of leaves, but like,

547
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:13,519
why he didn't know that there was a truck with

548
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,640
plutonium yet he was just swinging around and it's like,

549
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,519
shouldn't you have been a graduation but.

550
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's like, hey, you gotta get here, you

551
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,079
gotta get here.

552
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: And then he turns over and he sees Ghost Dad. No,

553
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,039
not Bill Cosby from the movie Ghost Dad, but Dennis

554
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,039
Leary's ghost because remember he made that promise yep, to

555
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,440
keep went out of it, and then he didn't deliver

556
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:36,359
on that prom And.

557
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 3: It's okay if you don't remember, because he's going to

558
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,880
stare disappointingly at Peter throughout the movie. We get a

559
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,759
flashback here.

560
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,799
Speaker 2: Again Dennis Larry Is.

561
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: He probably thought, because he's still doing Ice Age movie,

562
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,759
He's like, I'll just do Ice Agent Spider Man forever.

563
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:54,440
And yeah, he just he just almost got comical how

564
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,079
much times he just kept standing.

565
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: And I'll go beyond almost. I think it did. It's

566
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,559
just it's just too ridiculous to imagine the actor and

567
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,400
he's not just staring at him. He has to put

568
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,200
on a disappointed expression. He's not even he's just not

569
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,279
even moving. He's just making this like crooked smile. That

570
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,839
was another one of Figy's notes. He's like, do we

571
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,359
really need to see him? Why don't we do? Like

572
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,000
just he remembers it. There's a flashback in voiceover.

573
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they got all these notes and then

574
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,000
didn't listen to any of them. Yeah, So Gwen Stacy

575
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,920
is a Valet Victorian. She's doing a speech. It's all

576
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,279
about death. It's all like, you know, we're all gonna

577
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:30,119
die one day.

578
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: I'll probably die tomorrow, perhaps by a goblin and some

579
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:34,960
kind of flying mechanism. I don't know, maybe in a

580
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,640
clock tower.

581
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: It should be a bridge, but they kind of did

582
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,640
that in a previous movie, so we got to change

583
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,200
it up a little bit.

584
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,039
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, what the fuck is she talking about?

585
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all about like life ending.

586
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: I remember I was such an asshole.

587
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: I like got on my phone and on my friend

588
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,000
next to me, like, hey, spoiler. He's like what I

589
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:55,720
saw a picture of the comic of her dead, and

590
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:57,880
I'm like, it's so she might as well have had

591
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,720
a sign saying I'm gonna die.

592
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: I think even before the movie came out. I don't

593
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,920
remember if it got spoiled or if everyone just knew

594
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,039
it was gonna happen, but I remember going into the

595
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:09,359
movie knowing she's dying.

596
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

597
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,559
Speaker 3: I think maybe part of it was because we knew

598
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,680
Shale and Woodley had been cast as Mary Jane.

599
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,839
Speaker 1: Oh, which we totally forgot. Yeah, Shaley Woodley was Mary

600
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,640
Jane and completely removed. None of those deleted scenes have

601
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,839
ever surfaced.

602
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: She wasn't completely removed.

603
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,319
Speaker 1: Well, you can get a glimpse of her in the background,

604
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,839
but yeah, they just completely removed Mary Jane from the film,

605
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:31,559
and they showed all the other deleted scenes.

606
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: I don't know why hers never went back up.

607
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe they're so bad that these can never see

608
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,039
the light of day. But yeah, she's.

609
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: Clearly I mean that is like I know now they're

610
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,559
Spider Gwen and stuff, but for years, the big thing

611
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,640
about Gwen Stacy was it was his first girlfriend who died,

612
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,759
and it's like, man, that was a rough thing for

613
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:49,440
Spider Man.

614
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was just so odd.

615
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: The thing is they're being so obvious. It actually would

616
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720
have been clever if she didn't die, Yeah, because then

617
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,440
it's like, oh, you expect the whole time, but something

618
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,599
else happened, and okay, it's just kind of like, yeah,

619
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,079
you know pet cemetery. Yeah, okay, that remake wasn't good.

620
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: I didn't see the remake.

621
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: It was basically the same movie, but there was like

622
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,839
one kind of clever twist where they know you as

623
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,119
the audience member, are expecting that little boy to get

624
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,000
hit by the truck and they're like foreshadowing it, and

625
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:19,759
the twist is that it misses him and hits the

626
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:20,480
girl instead.

627
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: Like that's clever. Nothing else in the movie's skip it.

628
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,799
Speaker 1: It's a terrible movie, but that's an example of like,

629
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:28,720
we know you're thinking this is happening, we're gonna do

630
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:30,720
this instead, but instead they don't do that. They're like,

631
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,640
we know you think this is happening, and you're.

632
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,839
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Well, Sony was in a precarious position at

633
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,599
the time. They're like, this is not the time for

634
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,400
like subverting expectations or taking risks. I mean what they

635
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,039
did didn't really work out that well.

636
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Spiderman dodges nineties bullet time. I could

637
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,279
have believe he's shooting the bullets and it almost has

638
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:53,200
the rings from the Matrix. They didn't go as hardcore,

639
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,240
but yeah, then he you know, webs up the rhino

640
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:57,319
and takes his pants off.

641
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he has rhino underwear.

642
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't catch that. That's good.

643
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,359
Speaker 1: I think he does. But it's like, oh wow, what

644
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,440
a wacky opening. At graduation, they say Peter Parker and

645
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,559
stan Lee shows up.

646
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:10,799
Speaker 3: I know that guy.

647
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Peter gets his degree and then Aunt May congratulates

648
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,240
him and they talk about how sad it is that

649
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,279
Ben isn't there, and I go, yeah, I remember this

650
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:19,400
part from the first movie.

651
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then they also say it's sad that your

652
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,400
parents aren't here either.

653
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,359
Speaker 3: Well, Peter says, you know, and my folks yeah, and

654
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:31,200
then I May kind of like yeah, yeah, and then yeah,

655
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:31,480
I know.

656
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,359
Speaker 1: She reveals something she knows later on, but it feels

657
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,039
like she knows a lot more that she ends up

658
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,119
knowing later on, Like when she does reveal it, yeah,

659
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,319
and I'm like, oh, that's what you've been hiding from him, Like, oh,

660
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,160
I thought you were knowing what the deleted ending was.

661
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,680
I'm like I thought you had more information or something,

662
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,079
especially how angry she gets later on about Richard.

663
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,519
Speaker 3: Well, it means that she so I guess we'll find

664
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,480
out later that she was fed a BS story that

665
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,880
Richard was a spy that was trying to steal all

666
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,759
the data and to a foreign government or whatever. He

667
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,559
was just in it for the money. He betrayed his

668
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:08,079
friend Norman Osbourne, and the way that she despises him,

669
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:10,240
it makes it seem like she bought that story, yeah,

670
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:14,440
which is like, look at Norman Osbourne. Yeah, he's clearly

671
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,200
the villain in this story.

672
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, Peter is talking to Gwen and then he

673
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,440
sees the ghost Dad behind Quinn Stacy's creepy children of

674
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,400
the Corn family, Like.

675
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,519
Speaker 2: They're all blonde. There's a lot of bloods join us.

676
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,839
So he feels guilty.

677
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: And then that night he's like crying outside the restaurant

678
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,519
and Gwen like goes up to him and he's just like,

679
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960
I can't do it. I'm too sad about the promise

680
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,039
I broke, and he goes, I break up with you.

681
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,039
Speaker 3: I like all the stuff between them when it's not

682
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:50,640
in superhero mode. I buy it, like they sell it

683
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,200
to me that he is feeling conflicted knowing that she's

684
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,720
going to die. It also means like he's not wrong

685
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,559
and feeling this way. And I believe that a lot

686
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,480
more in this movie than I did in the Sam

687
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Reaimi movies. Like Peter Parker was always conflicted about being

688
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,400
with MJ. I remember back then feeling like just be

689
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:11,039
with her. Yeah, in this one, I'm genuinely like, you

690
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,359
probably shouldn't be with her. You will put her in danger.

691
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,119
So I actually think these scenes work for.

692
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,839
Speaker 2: Me, I guess, but yeah, they're chemistry now.

693
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me their chemistry is too good?

694
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,079
Speaker 1: Two people on so they were dating in real life

695
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,599
and not so much here. But when they start talking

696
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:31,599
to each other again.

697
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: Like don't do that cute thing with your nose, that's cheating.

698
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I feel like they just let the cameras roll and

699
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,400
let them say whatever. It's like they're too Like, it's uncomfortable.

700
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,559
The chemistry. It's annoying. You ever ever been around a

701
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,480
couple who's just like a little too open about how

702
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,680
in love they are or whatever?

703
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

704
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: Too many PDAs watching this.

705
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: It felt like it felt like I was eavesdropping on

706
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,599
a date this movie, and I'm like, I don't like this.

707
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,480
You know, you know how it feels to watch all

708
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,039
the scenes with them, I feel like George and Elaine

709
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,680
when Jerry and his girlfriend are calling each other smoopy.

710
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,319
This is like every scene all I'm thinking of, I

711
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,599
love you, Smoopy, and I'm like, everyone's just uncomfortable.

712
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Like it's just like I get it, they're fucking in

713
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,720
real life.

714
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: Like it's just it doesn't feel like they're acting like yeah,

715
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240
like they feel like they're not the characters they have been.

716
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: It feels like they're just being.

717
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: Themselves and they're like, oh, by the way, I'm a

718
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,440
scientist and I'm a spider man. I'm just like, this

719
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,680
fun sucks so bad? Why did you leave so much

720
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,759
of this in? It's not It's probably cute to them,

721
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,599
but not to me as the viewer. I'm like, this

722
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,799
is actually kind of annoying.

723
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: And I guess I'm romantic because I watched it and

724
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,799
I was like, spend as much time together as you can't.

725
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,319
She just gonna fall on a clock tower.

726
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,279
Speaker 1: Me. I was just like, God, when is he gonna

727
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,680
drop her off? I said bridge because I didn't know

728
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,319
they were changing it, like gonna drop her off that bridge?

729
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,079
Speaker 3: God damnit.

730
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Shylee Woodley's cutter anyway, come on, drop her off the bridge. Yeah,

731
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,720
it breaks up with him. Then Spider Man saves a

732
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:13,039
nerd kid because that kid's gonna come back later. Yeah,

733
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:14,839
he saves a nerd kid. And there's that.

734
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,519
Speaker 3: They come back to that thread. They made sure we

735
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:18,359
got to the.

736
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,759
Speaker 1: Characters that just did was in the last one was

737
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,119
the Indian guy completely gone because they cut out his

738
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,119
death scene, and this one there's like three characters.

739
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't worry about it.

740
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole time we hear news reports of

741
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,519
people criticizing him, I feel like one voice is absent.

742
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hinted at. It's another one of

743
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,519
those details where it's like, we can't repeat it from

744
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,079
the Sam Raimi movies, but we'll dance around it. I

745
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,680
could get an email from Jay Jonah Jamison that's just

746
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,839
as good as JK. Simmons screaming at him. Do you

747
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,119
think j.

748
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Simmons would have been in this one too if they

749
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,359
asked him?

750
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,079
Speaker 3: I don't know. See, it's a good question. I don't know,

751
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:57,200
because I can't think of that many bad movies he's

752
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,079
been in. So he might be one of those actors

753
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:04,480
who's like a term chances J Simmons would have done.

754
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: It, but it's funny because he also voiced j Jonah

755
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,760
Jameson in The Ultimate Spider Man cartoon. Okay, then, so

756
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,320
I like this idea that he's just j Jonah Jamison

757
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,519
throughout the multime.

758
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: Everybody in the multiverse, so they're different from each other

759
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:18,159
except for him. He's like the one constant.

760
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: What was that line in uh, the Second Spider Verse

761
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,320
for Quent Stacey's like in every other universe.

762
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: Quent Stacy gets with Spider Man.

763
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,519
Speaker 1: In every other universe he dies, she should be like

764
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,800
and most universes, j Jonah Jamison looks like the exact

765
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,679
same guy. I did like in the Newest One that

766
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,280
he was like an Alex Jones type. I thought that

767
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,679
was a fun invention where this they wouldn't have reinvented them.

768
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,320
He still would have been newspaperman wouldn't have made sense.

769
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,320
But yeah, so everyone's just like, I don't know Spider

770
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,599
Man's great. I don't think he's so great. He's always

771
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:46,960
helping people. Let the police do it.

772
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:48,639
Speaker 3: I'm and I don't like him.

773
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,599
Speaker 1: Jim Norton, I'm want to meet him one day, and

774
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:53,239
I just want.

775
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: To be like, could you just say that to me?

776
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,039
Speaker 1: Already?

777
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: Thoughts on Tony back movies. He stinks and I don't

778
00:34:58,519 --> 00:34:58,840
like him.

779
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I did like like some of this montage was kind

780
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,960
of fun, seeing as like day to day heroing, and

781
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,079
I like that he's like sick at the store and

782
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,880
he like really needs to get medicine, but the store

783
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,280
is being muck, so he just puts some of his

784
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,599
costume on and he's like, I'm the finery. He's like

785
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:18,360
sneezing into the cost bed. I mean that's kind of funny,

786
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960
Like what the superheroes are sick? That would be Yeah,

787
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,840
I should have did the whole movie like that. It

788
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,639
should have been like Diehard three where he does the

789
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:25,639
whole movie hungover.

790
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: That would have been great.

791
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,679
Speaker 3: He keeps sneezing into his own mask, sick.

792
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,119
Speaker 1: I want to see I want I want to see

793
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,519
a superhero movie that's die Hard three where the guy's

794
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:38,719
hungover and wants to throw up most of the time.

795
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,079
That makes that movie.

796
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: Diehard three gets so better.

797
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,039
Speaker 1: When you're an adult and experience a hangover, you appreciate

798
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,679
it so much more. You're like, oh, I get it now.

799
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,519
This adds so much to it. Then then they have

800
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,320
one of these scenes where he's trying to get out

801
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,719
of a suit before May opens the.

802
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,079
Speaker 3: Door, and it's like, oh yeah, he's a crawling over

803
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:57,119
the ceiling. Yeah.

804
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I feel like we've had enough of

805
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,920
these scenes in superhero stuff. We can sit a lot

806
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,559
of This is a long movie, by the way, a

807
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,320
lot of it could have been cut out. Yeah, a

808
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,119
lot of stuff, Like I mean, they did cut a

809
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:07,559
lot out.

810
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:08,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they could have cut.

811
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 2: Out stuff like this and left in some of those

812
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:11,440
more importancy.

813
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not a movie I watched and I'm like,

814
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,880
we need more comedic relief.

815
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: No, but yeah he uh.

816
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: She finds him in bed and his face is all dirty.

817
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,119
He's like, I was cleaning the chimney.

818
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:22,519
Speaker 1: We have no chimney?

819
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: What And then she's like, why is the loney turning

820
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,039
red and blues? And I was watching my American flag?

821
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, then he gets all sad about his dad's briefcase.

822
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,039
He remembers it exists. Yes, yes, he's like, oh I forgot.

823
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,079
He's like, I forgot I was supposed to figure out

824
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,679
what happened to my dad. Also, isn't there a burglar

825
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,199
out there that I want revenge for for killing my uncle.

826
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: Uh yeah. To me, it's like they're trying to show, Okay,

827
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,159
I'm gonna throw myself into my work because I don't

828
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:49,920
want to think about Gwen and I want to think

829
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,719
about all this stuff going on, and so like, in

830
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,320
that sense, okay, this scene works for me. But in

831
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,599
the other sense, like I just don't care about this

832
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,519
mystery box. I can guess n't really which direction it's going.

833
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,800
It's gonna film in some details. I don't even want

834
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,039
him to find his dad because he's a jerk. Yeah,

835
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,119
so yeah, I hate all this stuff. This is when

836
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,079
even when I say the movie is like a fun mess,

837
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,639
when he's doing anything with his parents, it's not fun.

838
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,599
It's just boring.

839
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,639
Speaker 1: No, And then Max has gone full Jim Carrey Ridler.

840
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,000
He has pictures of Spider Man everywhere, much like Jim

841
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,840
Carrey had pictures of Bruce Wayne everywhere and Batman forever.

842
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,559
He's made himself a birthday cake that's green and yellow,

843
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,280
even though he won't wear those colors in the movie.

844
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,079
Something made him all blue and black.

845
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 2: I guess Ultimate Spider Man. He had like a black

846
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,000
latex suit early.

847
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,679
Speaker 1: On I only have Volume one. I don't know what

848
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,840
happened after that. I don't remember him being blue, but yeah,

849
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,039
he's talking to himself and we get a first big

850
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:46,519
deleted scene he has a mom.

851
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the eight. Like, yeah, I feel

852
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,039
we've seen that trope a lot, where like there's a

853
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,199
villain who goes home to an angry mom that he's

854
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,119
forced to take care of.

855
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she like she doesn't even remember his birthday,

856
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,159
And it's just like how much does this guy suck

857
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,280
that no one can remab The only person who knows

858
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,159
anything about him is his boss, who hates.

859
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: Him, I mean knowing him. It probably isn't his birthday.

860
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,719
He doesn't know what the hell is going on.

861
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,639
Speaker 2: But that wasn't uncomfortable scene. He's like, mom, it's a

862
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:13,199
special day.

863
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Can you think of it?

864
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,599
Speaker 2: And she's like no, don't have anything to say, and

865
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:18,960
she's like, you're a dummy.

866
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,039
Speaker 3: Same as always.

867
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: And by the way they show that.

868
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: Like he has like a power outage and it turns

869
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,039
off her oxygen things, So I think we're meant to

870
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:26,320
imply that she just died.

871
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:27,159
Speaker 2: At some point in the movie.

872
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,519
Speaker 3: I bet they they're probably too embarrassed to put it

873
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,119
in the deleted scenes, but I bet he goes home

874
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,400
and kills her later. Yeah, that's part of him. Like

875
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,360
I'm not putting up with any crap anymore.

876
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they had to have had a

877
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,280
deleted scene like that because it's weird.

878
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.

879
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: They released just one scene and nothing else, like that's.

880
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: All you shot with the mom.

881
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that would have been a bigger character.

882
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,719
Aunt May is keeping her nursing a secret.

883
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: I guess she doesn't want We saw flashes of this

884
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,039
with the May from Sam Raimi's where like she doesn't

885
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,760
want Peter to know how much she's struggling with money. Yeah,

886
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,719
so she's trying to keep to herself off, Like it

887
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,440
is a weird thing that Again, they don't want to

888
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,719
emphasize the fact that they are, you know, Peter struggles

889
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,039
to pay the rent. That's always the classic Peter Parker thing,

890
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,000
and they like allude to that here where he's like,

891
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,159
I'm making you know, good money from my uh for

892
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,280
j Jonah jameson taking pictures. Yeah, so they'll kind of

893
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,400
like allude to that side of things but not really

894
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,000
emphasize it.

895
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

896
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought I thought that was weird. It's

897
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,199
just like that's a hard thing to like hide. Yeah,

898
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,000
you're like studying all the time. And also you're old.

899
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,360
Why are you doing Why are you picking nursing of

900
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,480
all the things. So they mentioned Jamison. They're like, you

901
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,800
would have money if he asks Jamison for a raise,

902
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,559
and like that's it. That's all we hear from j

903
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,239
He sends him an email later and that he.

904
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: Sends him an email and is maybe you should rethink

905
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:42,920
this Spider Man guy, he's a hero. Yeah, and then

906
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,159
he just replies back the subject line is just wrong.

907
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,320
All cats.

908
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: Oscorp.

909
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,039
Speaker 1: Is making a clean power grid to power the city,

910
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,920
which you know will be used for evil at some point.

911
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 3: This is the Ganali device or whatever the first movie.

912
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a bunch of big exposed towers out

913
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:05,320
in nowhere like some island.

914
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 3: Sure hope no villain arrives and loves to drink electricity.

915
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: Just that not like spread out power station. This is

916
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,519
the whole power station for the entire city. Might as

917
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:18,679
well paying a target on it.

918
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:19,639
Speaker 2: I don't know.

919
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,079
Speaker 1: Uh, Okay, So we get to see another bad guy,

920
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,000
Alextair Smythe who's bj Novak from the Office. Yes, Uh,

921
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,159
don't worry, he doesn't turn into smythe with the weird

922
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:38,000
weird shoulders and monster thing.

923
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.

924
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: Here's this guy with the weird shoulders. He's like in

925
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,000
a wheelchair first and then he gets like powers and stuff.

926
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,039
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he was gonna come back.

927
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: At some point as the Spider Slayer and did it,

928
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,119
which is what was his name on the Office was

929
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:58,639
a Ryan. Yeah, yeah, I don't see Ryan from the

930
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,599
Office being the Spider Slagh, much like I didn't see

931
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:03,599
Eric from that seventy show being No.

932
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,199
Speaker 3: I kind of want to see it though, Yeah, you

933
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,760
know in there. Yeah he cut all the parent stuff

934
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:10,880
and put him in there.

935
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,079
Speaker 2: No, no, man, we never got to see.

936
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:12,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

937
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,639
Speaker 1: The dad from Modern Family was Doc Sampson in the

938
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,000
first UH and the Ed Norton Hulk movie. He's the

939
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,800
guy who gets big muscles and long green flowing air.

940
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,719
But it was like Phil Dumphy from Modern Family, and

941
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,079
I'm just.

942
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,559
Speaker 2: Like, I kind of want to see him in the

943
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:28,960
long air.

944
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,519
Speaker 1: They should bring him back with long green hair embroided.

945
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:33,719
They never delivered on that.

946
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll have time and Avengers Secret Wars obviously

947
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,639
in there.

948
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, he choose Max out for being late and

949
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,119
then Max like yells at him in his head. And

950
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,000
this was in the deleted scene with his mom where

951
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,920
he says what he really wants, he imagines it, but

952
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,159
he never says it out loud because he talks about

953
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,559
Spider Man and he's like, Spider Man is a Sagittarius,

954
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:57,719
you're a Libra. You're nothing like him, blah blah. It's

955
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,519
like that's so dumb. But then he meets Gwen in

956
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,599
an elevator and he made his own invitation to his

957
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,239
own party that Spider Man themed like he's not well, No,

958
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:15,320
he like the how he is acting should prohibit him

959
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,599
from having a job like this.

960
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is another one of those is like why today,

961
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,760
Like how was everything status quo until now? This guy

962
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,119
would not be working here. Yeah, he would not have

963
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,559
made plans for like the most revolutionary power plant in history.

964
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they stole his design and everything.

965
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,599
Speaker 1: But it's just like he's imagining that he has a

966
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,559
VIP thing, like he should be in an insane asylum

967
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,880
or something like there's no way he clocks into work

968
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,400
every day.

969
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,119
Speaker 3: What helps though, is that every time they cut to him,

970
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:50,679
it's like it's like doing like Mickey Mouse cartoon music,

971
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,000
and so it tricks my brain into accepting it. I

972
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:54,320
was like, yeah, yeah, this makes sense.

973
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: But I like that Gwen remembers his name. He goes goodbye,

974
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,639
Max is like you remember my name? Is he gonna

975
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,480
be obsessed with Gwen? Now that's like his things, like

976
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,079
I want people to see me remember my name.

977
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,199
Speaker 3: It's really too bad that Spider Man is the one

978
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,480
who imprings on him. If only, if only somebody else was.

979
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's weird.

980
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 1: I guess it's not even like he wants everyone to

981
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,360
know his name because he wants recognition for the thing

982
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,960
that he made.

983
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: That's what it should be. But it said, he's like,

984
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,679
you know my name?

985
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm your best friend. Now it's like again, it's weird.

986
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,840
The movie decided, you know, that's how I said. You know,

987
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,280
we have his parents, the Rhino, now Electro and Gwen

988
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,800
Stacy and even Dennis.

989
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: Leary came back. The movie decided we don't have enough characters.

990
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:34,199
Speaker 1: Harry Osborne shows up, played by Dame Dihon, who's fine,

991
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,840
but I think Hollywood thought he was gonna be like

992
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,639
bigger than he was. Yes, and they made him like

993
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:41,400
they put him in too many big things like Valerian,

994
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,199
and it's like, okay, this this should be a supporting character.

995
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: And the way you phrase it is exactly right. He

996
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,960
shows up. It just he suddenly springs into existence. Yes,

997
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,079
And you do not buy for a second that him

998
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,719
and Peter have this shared history like we'll go way back,

999
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,159
trust me.

1000
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like he's twenty, Peter's like probably eighteen. Like

1001
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,519
you guys when you were like for friends, when we

1002
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,519
were maybe ten or something. It's like, this isn't too

1003
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,440
much time has passed, like kids and teens. Like if

1004
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,119
I was friends with someone when I was ten, i

1005
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:10,679
saw him when I was twenty, I wouldn't be like

1006
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,039
back like good old days.

1007
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh, what's school you going to?

1008
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: Like that's it. I wouldn't like want a record like

1009
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,000
it's so bizarre.

1010
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: What's school? He going to give me your blood?

1011
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: But his dad is Normanas weren't played by Chris Cooper,

1012
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,880
who played a more convincing villain in the Muppets reboot.

1013
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
He was a better villain in the Muppets reboot. I'm

1014
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,719
sorry and we knew he was dying from the last movie,

1015
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,920
but they never said what turns out it's what was

1016
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,599
it retro vile blah blah blah, he's turning into.

1017
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,639
Speaker 3: A copy Well, okay, okay, to be fair, he gives

1018
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:49,679
Harry a little cube hard drive and he's like, here's

1019
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,960
all this stuff that's been keeping me alive. So he's

1020
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,639
probably been taking some form of the Goblin serum okay,

1021
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,000
to prolong his life. So that's why he hit the clause.

1022
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has like a little clause. He can't deal

1023
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,639
with the sunlight. But he tells He's like, I've your

1024
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,159
hands started shaking yet you're gonna die. But here's this

1025
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,559
cube that we learned later he never told him how to.

1026
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: Use, which like all he had to do was put

1027
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:15,239
it on the table. Yeah, and I'm like, clear, this

1028
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,800
is the same thing as like Peter, you're so curious

1029
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,199
about your parents. You never went into your basement like things,

1030
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:23,840
and it's like, you're so curious how to save your life.

1031
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,440
He told you the cure is on that drive.

1032
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: And for the rest of the move, for the next

1033
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,840
half hour, he's around playing.

1034
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: With it, and then he like sneezes and he drops

1035
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:31,960
it on the table.

1036
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,159
Speaker 2: God, he drops Yeah.

1037
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,639
Speaker 3: I think he's like messing with like some scales appear

1038
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:41,679
on his Yeah, a lesion or whatever hurts.

1039
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: So he's like, ah, this is the only scene we

1040
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,599
give with Chris Cooper. There's lines in the trailer, which

1041
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,960
we'll talk about more deleted scenes that were on the trail.

1042
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,960
There's the lines where he's like, we have plans for you,

1043
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:57,159
Peter Parker, and we found the head. I saw concept dark,

1044
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:58,880
but we found they build a head. They were gonna

1045
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,760
keep his head preserved. It's like so they could bring

1046
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,000
him back for later movies.

1047
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,599
Speaker 3: I guess you backed yourself into this corner. He doesn't

1048
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,280
need to die, and then you have to do this

1049
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,840
convoluted thing where we preserve his head in a box,

1050
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,360
like he could just be alive if you want to

1051
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,559
focus on Harry, Okay, he's in a coma. He's I mean,

1052
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,719
he's already bedridden. Yeah. Yeah, it's so bizarre, but I

1053
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,280
think he's.

1054
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 1: I think it was all a fan like found like

1055
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,159
the box that his head would have been in that

1056
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,679
was all like blue screen or something.

1057
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,559
Speaker 3: He's like, why does Harry keep looking sadly at this box?

1058
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: And talk in his box, say it gives him all

1059
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,599
the research, and then he dies off screen. Then Smyth

1060
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,840
tells Max that he has to stay behind on his birthday,

1061
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,719
and he's like, you got to fix an electrical problem,

1062
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,840
all right, go do that.

1063
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1064
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,119
Speaker 1: And of course this electrical problem is over a tank

1065
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,039
of eels, Yes, tank of electric eels that they're using

1066
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,000
for science or something. I love that they made fun

1067
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,440
of this in no way home. He's like, what happened

1068
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,840
to you? I found it to a tank of heels.

1069
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
I found it to an experiment with saying it's like, God,

1070
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:06,239
be careful where you fall. I thought that was really funny,

1071
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,920
kind of like mocking how dumb this is.

1072
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: They did such a great job, like that movie is

1073
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,880
a little messy, but it is so satisfying. The way

1074
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,239
it will correct some issues from these older movies are

1075
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,719
like payoff certain things.

1076
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he falls into the tank of electric heels and

1077
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,920
they all bite him and now he's electricity man.

1078
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know how that happened eels.

1079
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: And the uh? But what what what?

1080
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: What the heels?

1081
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: Like rewrite his DNA and Adams and stuff.

1082
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: You think, Spider, It's like the end of Iron Man.

1083
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,519
You think you're the only superhero. You think spiders are

1084
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,280
the only animals we're experimenting on.

1085
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: Max's father put his DNA in the.

1086
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,559
Speaker 1: We learned that Odds Corp has shelve the animal hybrid

1087
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,239
program after the lizard incident. Yes, yeah, that's a bad one.

1088
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: But they're still experimenting on these eels. Yes, okay, we

1089
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,239
can move on.

1090
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,159
Speaker 1: Well, the eels I think are just to generate electricity.

1091
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,679
Speaker 3: They're not. That is the most efficient way as we know.

1092
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: Of course, of course I learned that from the The

1093
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,880
Mary Shelley's Frankenstegn with Robert de Niro eels brought him

1094
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,360
back to life.

1095
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,199
Speaker 3: I learned it from Amazing Spider Man two. The Tank.

1096
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: So he's yelling at all the lawyers. Who is the

1097
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:31,480
main guy, the bald guy.

1098
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: I don't know he was.

1099
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: I know he was Loki's dad in the first Thor movie.

1100
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,480
Oh okay, we're just gonna call him bald Oscorp guy.

1101
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in a lot of movies.

1102
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,159
Speaker 1: He was a good actor, but I just can't remember

1103
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:44,719
his name, and I don't know his characters.

1104
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: The Evil Businessman two, Yeah, well he's one free if

1105
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:52,039
you had scythe Yes, it's evil Businessman one, then there's

1106
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,320
evil security man and then smythe.

1107
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1108
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 3: Smith is like not a big part of this now,

1109
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,920
I'm again we didn't see him in the deleted scenes.

1110
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:01,840
I'm sure they had more for him in this movie.

1111
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he feels like he should be more involved with

1112
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,800
this guy taking over the company and everything, and he's

1113
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,320
just not. Yeah, so he's yelling at everyone and then

1114
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,440
he goes, hey you lady Felicity Jones playing Felicia Harding

1115
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,159
the Black Cat, and she's like, Hi, I'm an upcoming actress.

1116
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,679
I was in Ricky Gervais's Cemetery Junction and did really

1117
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,800
well that's what she said.

1118
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it, I know.

1119
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,039
Speaker 1: And he said, yes, you're very good at Cemetery Junction.

1120
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:30,719
I can't wait to see you in Star Wars. You're

1121
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,519
now the boss.

1122
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: And she's like even.

1123
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: She's just like what cause she was Norman Osborne's assistant

1124
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,480
and he's like, you know everything. I'm like, she's pretty young.

1125
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:41,719
I don't think she was assistant for like thirty years

1126
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:47,280
or anything. So yeah, he promotes her, and this is

1127
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,760
hinting at some kind of attraction, but as we learn

1128
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,000
from the deleted scenes, all.

1129
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,079
Speaker 2: Most of their stuff's cut out.

1130
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,039
Speaker 1: Yep, and it didn't really amount to a relationship anyway. No,

1131
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,960
so I get them cutting it out, but now it's

1132
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,440
weird that it's introduced. And I would have liked to

1133
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,159
have seen her as Black Cat. But there's nothing that

1134
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:05,400
says black Cat about her.

1135
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:08,079
Speaker 3: Is nothing that says anything about her in this Yeah,

1136
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:10,840
she's just there, yes.

1137
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: A last she has nothing to do with Spider Noir,

1138
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,960
has a Felicia Hardy, but they call her something else,

1139
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:17,000
cat herding or something.

1140
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they like mix something name. She never

1141
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:20,280
turns into the.

1142
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: Black Cat, but she also doesn't have to in that universe,

1143
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,880
but at least that character is around and doing stuff,

1144
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,000
has kind of a relationship with Spider Man, which is

1145
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:29,039
kind of a black Cat thing.

1146
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: That's the bar we've said. It's like they're doing stuff,

1147
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,079
do anything, it doesn't matter what.

1148
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: She's literally here to be like, they'll come up later.

1149
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's fine when like, uh, what's his

1150
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,000
face Jeremy Renner shows up in Thor for like a minute,

1151
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,239
because it's like, oh, he'll come back later. But it's

1152
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,760
like not distracting. Now, it's you keep expecting her to

1153
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,719
do something in this movie because she's in most of

1154
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,159
the movie.

1155
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,199
Speaker 2: It's not a cameo.

1156
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,079
Speaker 1: Same thing with bj Novak, Same with all these characters.

1157
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:56,719
If they were cameos, I wouldn't care.

1158
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's even distracting, like having Chris Cooper there. Yeah,

1159
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,679
Osbourne cut to a news report that he's dead. It's

1160
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,320
just weird.

1161
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: It's so weird. So Peter meets with Harry, who again

1162
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,760
at this point he shouldn't be friends with a Facebook DM.

1163
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: You can face. You can DM him on Facebook.

1164
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:18,039
Speaker 3: Most likely, and it would most likely be ignored.

1165
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, you know what.

1166
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: Rich people really love poor friends from their past dming

1167
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,639
them and trying to start friendships again. They love it.

1168
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: It's their favorite thing. It's their favorite thing.

1169
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been I've been leaving him on Red for

1170
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:34,559
weeks now.

1171
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: They're trying to catch up, and Peter's like climbing over

1172
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,119
a railing or something while they're talking, just acting weird.

1173
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,599
He's just Andrew Garfields, just acting weird in this movie

1174
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:47,800
the whole time.

1175
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,599
Speaker 3: He's got, i mean, cut the guy some slack. He's

1176
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,400
got to carry an entire cinematic Universe on his back.

1177
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,440
He's like, I'm just gonna try whatever I can just

1178
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:56,599
to do something for the scene.

1179
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like hang over a railing and then

1180
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,159
I'm gonna maybe have a super New York voice or

1181
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,400
that whole like theary is.

1182
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, what where is he? You were the one

1183
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,639
acting weird like that. One problem with Harry in this

1184
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,880
movie is that he feels kind of sinister from the beginning.

1185
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,480
They partially the casting because I only knew him from

1186
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,440
always that Superhero Movie's. Yeah, so I already look at

1187
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,960
him and I'm like, you're already a bad guy, honestly,

1188
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
if you became a goblin like goblins are, Like, I

1189
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,599
didn't step up pretty much what.

1190
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,119
Speaker 1: His laugh was, and I wasn't expected him to have

1191
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:36,079
that whimpy of a coblin laugh. He's like, so it's

1192
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,440
such a huge letdown from like Willem Dafoe.

1193
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: You go from Willem Dafoe to like, I'm gonna slick

1194
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,599
my hair back and have these painted on like very

1195
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:44,639
angry eyebrows.

1196
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh and this is where this is where he's really

1197
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:49,559
leaning into the New York accent.

1198
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1199
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: Again it comes and goes it comes and goes.

1200
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,079
Speaker 3: Hey, we go way back, Harry, Yeah, what are you doing?

1201
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: He lets him know about Gwynn Stacy's like, I was

1202
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:00,760
your girl named Gwen.

1203
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 3: She actually works for you, So it's like that she

1204
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,719
works for Felicia. Peter.

1205
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's when I go like, that's how the

1206
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,960
Goblin will know to drop her off a thing later.

1207
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,559
So they talk about Spider Man and then woke ask

1208
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,880
Peter Parker's like, it could be a woman. We don't know.

1209
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,280
Apparently he wanted Apparently he said he wanted to explore

1210
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,320
Spider Man's sexuality in this.

1211
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: Well he can't because they leaked that another document that

1212
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,480
weaked there's a list of qualities that Peter Parker must

1213
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:34,000
adhere to.

1214
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, for Sony to use him. Yeah, but I don't

1215
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,400
know why. He was just like, you know what, we're

1216
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,199
trying to start a universe. How about we have Spider

1217
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,239
Man do some gay stuff?

1218
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,599
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are you doing?

1219
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: I just like it was funny. It's like, yeah, my

1220
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:50,599
girlfriend that I'm clearly flirting with for real in this movie,

1221
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:51,440
I'm so pretending.

1222
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: Can I also have a scene with a guy?

1223
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:53,519
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?

1224
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: Very confusing.

1225
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: It's trying to make her jealous.

1226
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: Can Mary Jane be like Marvin Jane or something like

1227
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:10,519
that gets Gwenn jealous with the guy. That's pretty fucking Seyeah.

1228
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,320
They talk about Spider Man, they're being spied on by Oscorp,

1229
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,920
and then Oscorp Guy businessman guy gets an update from

1230
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:22,960
security man about Max's death that they're covering up, like,

1231
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,559
don't worry, we're gonna send him to the Morgue.

1232
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna get rid of it.

1233
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,559
Speaker 1: Peter calls when to meet up, and then he walks

1234
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:32,760
in traffic like an asshole.

1235
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 3: I liked it. I don't know. It was cute, you know.

1236
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: And they talk about how they have to be friends,

1237
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,519
and I forgot they are supposed to be early twenties,

1238
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:45,400
so they're still doing the other we could be friends thing. No,

1239
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:49,480
don't be friends with any of your axes, or years

1240
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:51,280
later will end up being one of your co hosts

1241
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,480
and be a real bitch to you. And they bring

1242
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,039
her husband onto the show and then he.

1243
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: Gives you a shit and Tony's like, we gotta set some.

1244
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 1: Watch the scene of Chucky episode which I had any

1245
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:09,119
and it was a really good one. She became my neighbor,

1246
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,079
and now I gotta watch the dog randomly and like

1247
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:11,679
I should.

1248
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 3: Have God, damn focus Ton. Yeah.

1249
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're talking about how they're gonna be friends,

1250
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,199
so they can't like smile or laugh or anything. It's like,

1251
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,880
just get back together, you idiots.

1252
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: Very very annoying scene.

1253
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: As you said that, Dennis Leary was behind me, Like.

1254
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,199
Speaker 2: Then we cut.

1255
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: To oh no, actually, oh I skipped over. Uh Electro

1256
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,119
came back to life. Yeah, he's sitting in a morgue

1257
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,559
by himself with the incinerator on. You might be saying,

1258
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:48,599
why is an incinerator? I am saying that, yes, yes,

1259
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:53,159
it's because they cut out the dancing walkie talkie More Guy.

1260
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 3: Which was a note they took from Kevin Fiking because

1261
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,360
he said, does the more Guy have to be listening

1262
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,280
to music? Feels a little cliche.

1263
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm thinking of a return return to Living

1264
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:04,800
Dead that More Guys.

1265
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:06,159
Speaker 2: Which have you watched return?

1266
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? That guy's awesome.

1267
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you think that guy's awesome? Have you not

1268
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,440
looked into it?

1269
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:12,039
Speaker 1: No?

1270
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: I have. That's why he's awesome.

1271
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:17,119
Speaker 1: But you know, you know he's a secret Nazi, right,

1272
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,519
not a secret Nazi doesn't have a poster up on

1273
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:20,960
his wall.

1274
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's awesome the character. I'm saying, if

1275
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,280
you step out of the movie as a comedic element,

1276
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,320
it's awesome that that's just there because it's so absurd. Okay,

1277
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,199
but he's portrayed.

1278
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: For a minute, I thought you didn't know, Like I

1279
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,880
should probably give Gill aheads up.

1280
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: I also love doctor Kaofka in this movie, you know,

1281
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,960
the evil a German scientist who torture people.

1282
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: Kail, I worry about you.

1283
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: I'm like Gwen Stacy where she raised like someone throw

1284
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,320
me off a clock to tour.

1285
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,639
Speaker 1: I go back and watch the Return Living Dead episode.

1286
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:54,559
We like point out like the music he's listening to,

1287
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,480
and that one is kind of a cue. He's subtle

1288
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:59,920
cues you might have missed, not like the obviously cues,

1289
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,039
like in a Dead Ali where the guy literally was

1290
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:06,679
not underneath his doctor. Oh yeah, this guy, he's like cool,

1291
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,440
wacky hair. Dude just gets fried. Uh they cut all

1292
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:11,559
that out. Yeah, he just wakes up and he's like,

1293
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:12,280
all right, I'm alive.

1294
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

1295
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: And then while uh Andrew Garfield is flirting with his girlfriend.

1296
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:19,239
Speaker 3: I like when he wakes up and it's like he sheds, yeah,

1297
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,440
burnt flesh. Yeah, that's my favorite parts of these movies

1298
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,920
are like shedding a cocoon of some kind. Yeah, like

1299
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,960
when Kirk Connors grows his arm back. More cocoons. Yeah,

1300
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,039
I would have saved this movie.

1301
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:31,559
Speaker 2: Brano didn't have a cocoon.

1302
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 3: He kind of ends up in a cocoon at the end.

1303
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:37,280
If we saw him break out of a cocoon, yeh.

1304
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,440
Then then then talk to Me.

1305
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:41,639
Speaker 1: Lecture is making his way till time to time Square.

1306
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,920
Peter reveals that he's stalk Gwen. She's like, i'na be

1307
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,320
going to this place, like, yeah, you love it there.

1308
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:48,199
It's like, but how do you know that?

1309
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,559
Speaker 3: Uh? You told me?

1310
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,679
Speaker 1: He told me? And then she lets him know that

1311
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,719
she's gonna try and get a scholarship to Oxford in uh, England,

1312
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:03,280
which is forty something miles north of Foggy London Town

1313
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,159
where Manny Muskets is from all my notes originally said

1314
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,480
Foggy London Town. Then I realized Oxford isn't he in

1315
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,880
Foggy London. It's all the many Muskets sort of thing.

1316
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,519
That's become my favorite reference.

1317
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: From Everything Happened to Manny Muskets Gil who's Gil? Oh

1318
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:22,519
you met Manny Muskts Okay, now I can ground myself.

1319
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,159
Speaker 1: So just a spoiler, I'm gonna go to Paison Con

1320
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:31,119
on my birthday in September, and I'm only inviting the

1321
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,960
Italian members of Hack of the Movies.

1322
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,039
Speaker 3: And I bragged to Johannah that she can't go. Well,

1323
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,400
he opened this up to me. Now I'm inviting all

1324
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,880
the Italian members. He starts by saying, you're not invited.

1325
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,519
Speaker 2: Yes, only Italians.

1326
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:44,199
Speaker 1: And I bragged to Johannah that she can't go because

1327
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,559
she recently found out that she's not Italian. But I

1328
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:48,400
told her I'm actually gonna figure out how to way

1329
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:55,440
to adult adopt Manny Muskets freaking anyway, So look out September,

1330
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,239
like eighteenth, nineteen to twentieth Paison Come. I'll be walking

1331
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,599
around Electro gets the Times Square and he wants to

1332
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,360
eat some wires or something that's.

1333
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: Like there's wires everywhere. I don't know why. He's just

1334
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,760
like yes, time scer, Yeah, I know.

1335
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm always about this whole movie. I'm like, I mean power,

1336
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,599
like the way it works, we're all plugged into like

1337
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,320
the main I don't know how power plants work, but.

1338
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: I love that he has his electricity vision and Time

1339
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,000
Square looks like the biggest one. I'm like, well, couldn't

1340
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,760
you go to where the power's being generated?

1341
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess he's like a moss drawn to the flame.

1342
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,360
And I guess they already I mean, to be fair,

1343
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:32,440
they established that he's like, oh he's crazy.

1344
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:36,079
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. But yeah, he goes to the Times

1345
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:39,280
Square and uh, he sees himself on all the screens,

1346
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,960
including the Kodak screen.

1347
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: Wow, I can't believe I'm featured and all these Sony

1348
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,000
monitors and Sony televisions.

1349
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,079
Speaker 1: Kodak waited so long to do the digital thing, and

1350
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,960
then they really do you remember like Piple was their sport,

1351
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,840
their sponsor guy for a while. Yeah, Pipple was like

1352
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,639
their mascot doing all these Kodak cameras. So they really

1353
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:01,920
My sister had one of their Code Act digital cameras.

1354
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:04,960
They just waited too long. They were so late too.

1355
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: And now they do the little blind box like tiny cameras.

1356
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:08,599
I guess.

1357
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they found like their back.

1358
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: They're back. I declared that they're back. Oh, I have

1359
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,760
the little cameras.

1360
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: I went to East. Uh, what's the guy who made Kodak?

1361
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,760
And I went to his house. It's like a museum

1362
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,280
now in Rochester. And then the one music outside the

1363
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,679
museum is a statue of Philip Suemer howfin No? Yeah, okay,

1364
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Electro is pissed that Spider Man doesn't remember his name.

1365
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,559
Speaker 3: Wait, which, to be fair, he's like, you don't recognize me.

1366
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:40,599
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you're all blue and you don't have hair,

1367
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,559
and yeah, why would I recognize you?

1368
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,119
Speaker 3: I did enjoy Okay, it's like a little change of pace.

1369
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,119
This is an action scene. We're right off the bat.

1370
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,559
It's not just punching. Yeah, he's like trying to talk

1371
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:52,960
him down. I like how at first he's sort of

1372
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,079
taunting Electro and then he realizes, Oh, this guy's actually unstable. Hey,

1373
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,000
I believe you man, this is my friend here, you know.

1374
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,280
I kind of that.

1375
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: I like that, like the whole like de escalation.

1376
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:05,159
Speaker 2: Instead of just going in and beating up a mentally

1377
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:06,920
challenged For.

1378
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: Some reason, I liked that, yeah, holding back a little.

1379
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: But then the Stiper shoots and Missus and Electro like freaks.

1380
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: Out, and this is where this is insane, an insane

1381
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:20,280
choice but I love it. There's lyrics and the music.

1382
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,079
I was gonna say, it's like an opera. I was

1383
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,559
gonna say, Electro thinks Spider Man this is his enemy.

1384
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:27,559
And how I know that is the lyrics are going

1385
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:31,599
you to me, ried to me, he shot at me.

1386
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:33,320
He's dead to me.

1387
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:42,599
Speaker 1: Much like the hallucination, which would have happened twice when

1388
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:46,360
they cut out the first one, this internal rapping dialogue

1389
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,960
never comes back again.

1390
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: Well, I do think there are other moments where there's

1391
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,039
still like they're less they're a little bit more subtle.

1392
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,400
You don't hear them as audibly. But like, this to

1393
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:58,320
me is a great example of what to do when

1394
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,280
you've got a bad movie on your hands. Yeah, just

1395
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,760
lean into it even further so at least, like I

1396
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,280
said a few times already, it's a it's a fascinating mess.

1397
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a choice.

1398
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: It was a choice.

1399
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: You know. We had the the we had what were

1400
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,880
called Green Goblin talking to his alter ego, doctor Octopus

1401
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,760
talking to the clothes whatever was going on. Spider Man

1402
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,800
three then didn't really talk. Uh And the last one,

1403
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,760
you know, Lizard was talking to the lizard part of

1404
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,840
his brain. This is that again, but now I'm singing

1405
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,440
for well.

1406
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 3: They tried singing for him in Spider Man two, where

1407
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,400
doc Ock is singing you know if I were a

1408
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:33,320
rich man. That was that they didn't put it in

1409
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,719
the movie, so that this time they decided, what if

1410
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:36,119
we do it?

1411
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:38,599
Speaker 2: You know, like you know what they probably put that.

1412
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: They probably wrote that singing part when they thought the

1413
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,840
Spider Man musical was gonna be a bigger deal.

1414
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: Cut to the video of the guy falling all this

1415
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,119
and then the other guy falling. God that play.

1416
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: Is there a video of that play? I want to watch?

1417
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: I was, I mean, I wanted to go because of

1418
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,599
how insane. It's sounded like the amazing Spider Man two

1419
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:04,039
of Broadway. I didn't catch it, just.

1420
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: That the lizard was like an inflatable thing, but it

1421
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:08,119
looked like a guy and a lizard got caught in

1422
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:14,519
like a teleporter. Oh okay, just remember that play. All

1423
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,440
the bad guys were splice DNA. But then there was

1424
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,000
a knife lady. It's like, wait, with the knives come from?

1425
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:25,400
Electro just starts zapping left and right. Uh, He's just

1426
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:26,360
like I'm gonna kill everyone.

1427
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah, and all these

1428
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,280
idiot bystanders like, go Spider Man, go, it's like run away.

1429
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,199
Speaker 1: Oh I do like this one moment where he throws

1430
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:42,519
the car and like the whole railing, that stupid railing

1431
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:44,800
in Times Square with the red steps. Oh yeah, yeah,

1432
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,440
it's all energized and everyone's about to touch the railing

1433
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:49,320
and Spider Man's like, oh no, my got one broken

1434
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,239
webshoot or so he like splits up the webs but

1435
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,880
then uses his senses to like grab everyone to make

1436
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,079
sure they don't touch the railing.

1437
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: That was something.

1438
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,239
Speaker 3: Anytime you see a hero do something clever or that

1439
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,280
only they could do with their power, and you're like,

1440
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,079
that's cool.

1441
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is the Spider sense is now

1442
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,679
working how we all know it works, not like the

1443
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,199
last movie where it's just flashes.

1444
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it never worked that way again never, And you.

1445
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: Cut from Eli took it back to just like then

1446
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,039
as soon as Spider Man saved someone, it's like.

1447
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: And then uh, Spider Man teams up the fire department

1448
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:23,960
and hoses down electro.

1449
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I remember that picture with the fire like

1450
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,280
everywhere Spider with the fire helmet on.

1451
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:31,199
Speaker 1: I do like he was like, he's probably saved so

1452
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,840
many people and fires, he like knew all the firefighters.

1453
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 3: But then it then it cuts to, uh, all these signs,

1454
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,320
all these huge things fall down, and I'm like, conveniently

1455
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,679
all the bystanders have just vanished. This was before Batman

1456
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:45,360
of you Superman.

1457
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, they take him away and Peter h finally

1458
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:55,079
researches more of that briefcase while Philip Phillips blasts in

1459
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:59,280
the background. Yep, I'm like, oh man, that is very

1460
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,400
twenty fourteen album.

1461
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Music can only do so much to say this movie.

1462
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,440
They're trying their best.

1463
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: So Harry starts to notice this goblin disease growing, and

1464
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:10,960
then this is when he.

1465
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: Drops the box that has all the files, Like wait, why.

1466
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,599
Speaker 1: Did he not know what it was?

1467
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:18,639
Speaker 3: How desperate are you to live if you haven't even

1468
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,559
bothered to be like anyone know how to read this thing? Yeah,

1469
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:23,519
it's like, oh yeah, all of our tables are pro.

1470
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:26,599
Speaker 1: You just put it on the table, no bass word

1471
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,480
or anything. Yeah, So he learns about the body armor,

1472
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,880
which this was probably at it later on because there

1473
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,960
was a deleted scene where he brings Peter to Oscorp

1474
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,480
and they show a guy wearing the armor, so which

1475
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,840
I would have liked more because that means Harry's aware

1476
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,039
of the armor. He probably knows how it works. Here

1477
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,239
he just sees a picture and swipes it. So later

1478
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,960
on when he's like, oh, yeah, that thing, I'll just

1479
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:50,840
wear that, I'm like, oh, does he.

1480
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,239
Speaker 2: Know all the specifics about it?

1481
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,159
Speaker 3: Yeah? But even that deleted scene was so dumb. It's

1482
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:56,719
like a guy's wearing the armor and he goes like

1483
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:58,280
and it was like.

1484
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,519
Speaker 1: Whoa, I mean, he just moved his arms and the

1485
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,800
armor keeps you alive, yeah or something. Why isn't he

1486
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,800
just in the armor now? If it has magical healing abilities?

1487
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing of like, I mean, his Norman

1488
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:15,360
Osbourne is much older than Harry Osbourne, so it feels

1489
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,440
a little weird. That's suddenly like that the disease is

1490
01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:21,480
coming on aggressively, and he's so like they need him

1491
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,559
to be desperate, so he's begging Spider Man for his blood.

1492
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,960
But it all feels very contrived. I think it would

1493
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,880
have worked better if he looked at the drive and

1494
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,400
saw the things is the unnatural things his father was

1495
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,440
doing to stay alive. Maybe he takes some of the

1496
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:38,639
Goblin serum, but it backfires and makes the disease more aggressive.

1497
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:40,519
It starts messing with his head. Yeah, I think this

1498
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:41,519
would have worked a little bit better.

1499
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, In said, it's just like, here's your costume for later.

1500
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:48,159
Oh cool, thanks, no mention of a glider.

1501
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

1502
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: So he watches the video of Richard Parker talking about

1503
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,239
spiders and he realizes that's something that he needs. But

1504
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,280
they don't have the spiders anymore. Uh. And then Peter

1505
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,400
is watching watching bad revideos to figure out how to

1506
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:05,280
like charge his webshooters. But I feel like this is

1507
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,639
like basic stuff that a nerd like him should already know. Yep,

1508
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,679
so that was weird. Uh. But yeah, he's trying to

1509
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:14,119
make a I like, the batteries are exploding more and

1510
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,320
more and more the more he tries, and uh.

1511
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: It's fun.

1512
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,559
Speaker 1: This seems like okay, this seems like a Spider Man thing.

1513
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:20,960
Was like, well, this guy is his power, so I

1514
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,519
gotta upgrade my stuff. Blah blah blah.

1515
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: I was fine with this.

1516
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the extinguished fine. So I think in

1517
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,440
that one deleted scene, Harry was going to tell Peter

1518
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:31,119
that he was sick.

1519
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:31,679
Speaker 2: And everything.

1520
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:34,639
Speaker 1: They cut that out so that it's literally Harry calls

1521
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:36,559
Peter when Peter's like working on the thing. He's like,

1522
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:40,360
I'm dying, Come visit me. It's a hell of a

1523
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,559
way to open up a conversation.

1524
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:45,559
Speaker 3: He's tired, he's grumpy, you know, so he uh.

1525
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:48,159
Speaker 1: He shows him all the spider stuff and how it

1526
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,960
was used to help save Norman, and he's like, look,

1527
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:54,480
Spider Man must have been bitten by one of these

1528
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:58,199
spiders here. How else would he have these powers. I

1529
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,039
need a spider blood. And since you take pictures, you

1530
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:01,800
gotta get them.

1531
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 3: For me, which makes it even more awkward that they

1532
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:06,880
hardly emphasize that Peter takes pictures of Spider Man. Yeah,

1533
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,480
he's like, oh yeah, he does take pictures of him.

1534
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:10,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird thing to just overlook. I feel

1535
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:12,960
like we're missing out a big port part of his life.

1536
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1537
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: So yeah.

1538
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: Then we see Gwen at work and she's typing on

1539
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,800
a transparent screen that only existent movies because I'm just like,

1540
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,159
this would suck to work on. Yeah, you gotta have

1541
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:25,039
that like button to black out the screen, like those

1542
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:27,720
cool vature glasses I have that can be transparent, but

1543
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,840
then they can go full.

1544
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 3: Both like sponsorship. Now, no, get okay, No, it's just

1545
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,640
I actually use those classes.

1546
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,319
Speaker 2: I did do sponsorships, but I actually used those classes.

1547
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: I was I was the other day. I was hanging

1548
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,239
out in the yard, but while also catching up on

1549
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,880
the show. They're good, the weather's nice. Now I can

1550
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,920
I can binge watch shows and movies for work while

1551
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,520
I'm out and about.

1552
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,359
Speaker 3: It's not a sponsorship. This is trying to get a sponsorship.

1553
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: Hey, if they want to pay me a few time, beachure,

1554
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,920
I'll do it. But I really like the stuff.

1555
01:08:58,159 --> 01:08:58,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

1556
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,359
Speaker 1: I use all my sponsorships. But do you think I'm

1557
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:05,359
some kind of shill? You saw me playing raat Shadow

1558
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,720
Legends earlier. Yeah, like still going strong. Oh yeah, so

1559
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,960
she's typing on that that super computer. I'm like, this

1560
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,039
only looks cool in movies. This would be a fucking night.

1561
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:16,039
You would be like staring at your color.

1562
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 3: And anytime they do like it's like a keyboard that

1563
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,399
floats in front of you, and you tell I'm like

1564
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,039
anything that doesn't have tactile feed. Yeah, like I'm already

1565
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:24,680
annoyed at touchscreens.

1566
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I hate when he's like look at this file.

1567
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,119
He throws it to the screen.

1568
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:31,279
Speaker 3: It's like that would never work in real life. You'd

1569
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,079
be like this and it's like it's loading. I think

1570
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,600
I'll plug it and plug it back in. I'll just

1571
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,640
show you on my phone. Fine.

1572
01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: It was like a Jurassic Park where they're going through

1573
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,840
all the files and it's like an animation, like, no,

1574
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:42,439
just making a folder you can click on.

1575
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,119
Speaker 2: God damn it.

1576
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: So Peter doesn't want to get his friend Spider Man

1577
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,920
to help Harry because he's afraid that, uh, he'll get

1578
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:50,640
mutated like the lizard.

1579
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 3: And he handles this very poorly because he does come

1580
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,840
off like a jerk because he keeps saying like, we

1581
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,439
need more time, more time for what. No one's like running,

1582
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,199
like give the blood and they can like run some

1583
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:01,840
tests on it.

1584
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the weird thing, Peter. I think I

1585
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:07,039
mentioned it later, but Peter should be like, well, why

1586
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:08,840
don't you give Spider Man your blood and you can

1587
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,000
do tests and stuff on it.

1588
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's a way to handle this that isn't

1589
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,199
like just die already.

1590
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: Odscorp Security finds out that Quenn was looking for Max.

1591
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:22,960
She was trying because she recognized him at the big

1592
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,319
battle right, and she's like, oh wait, that's Max and

1593
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:26,760
then she looks his name and it's all been a

1594
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,319
race and security guy's.

1595
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 3: Like, oh no, we got one, like the race is

1596
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,920
in real time. She feels him up. Is that how

1597
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,920
it works? You just see the file vanish in front

1598
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,039
of you.

1599
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, she sneaks away and she bumps into Peter

1600
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,199
and then they get all cutesy.

1601
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,079
Speaker 3: I liked it.

1602
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: You know, we're hiding in a clubs.

1603
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,039
Speaker 2: It's like the most cliche. I'm sorry I didn't get

1604
01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:51,960
the riviera or whatever. Shut up, stop it.

1605
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, Peter helps distract security, which is like a

1606
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,520
fun comedic scene where he's like spelling.

1607
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 3: Coffee, I'm off comes today.

1608
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she runs into Harry right, who she

1609
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,159
assumes is with us, but Harry doesn't know there's like

1610
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:10,199
a mutiny happening underneath them, so she's all nervous. He's like,

1611
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:15,680
oh hi, when I'm Harry, Like, She's like, he's gonna

1612
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,600
murder me, and he's all.

1613
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 3: Like, why is this lady so beat to me? They hey,

1614
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,880
goblin faces, what are you talking about? Are you gonna

1615
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:23,880
throw me off a clock tower?

1616
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:31,279
Speaker 1: He's like Okay, so yeah, they just have like a

1617
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,960
brief interaction. Electro is now stuck in an institute. The

1618
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:39,039
scary German guy who was supposed to be a woman

1619
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,760
in the comics, they reverse woked it. They woke to Electro,

1620
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,960
but then they reverse woked it for this guy.

1621
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: And if we're gonna have Spider Man exploring a sexuality,

1622
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,479
I'm making out with Max Dillan. We'll throw this into

1623
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,399
just even things out.

1624
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, the scary German guy who's like literally a cartoon. Yeah,

1625
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:03,079
he's like mugging for the camera, stupid, but yeah, I

1626
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:06,199
guess they keep him underwater to suppress.

1627
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 3: Him, like waters where he got his power.

1628
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, the scary German guy is like an asshole.

1629
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,920
He's just like, we're gonna like torture you and learn

1630
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,800
everything we can about you. And he's like, ah, okay,

1631
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:21,680
I'm gonna kill you when I get out of here.

1632
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,199
Speaker 2: Uh don't you know call me Electro?

1633
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,039
Speaker 3: Oh fuck her name? Is?

1634
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:33,399
Speaker 1: He giving himself the bad guy?

1635
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,520
Speaker 3: And he I guess he can. It's just like, w

1636
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,840
did you workshop that jicksaw? If it worked for Jigsaw?

1637
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:41,239
I guess call me Jicksaw from now on?

1638
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: Oh right, sorry, I was thinking of Sauw Jigsaw. You're right,

1639
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,760
Punisher Warzo called me Jigsaw.

1640
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,039
Speaker 3: Apparently Jigsaw stole his whole for philosophy from the judge

1641
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:57,359
one hundred years earlier. Oh god, so.

1642
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: They drop it back in the tank while they're playing

1643
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:04,039
Blue Danube or whatever. Uh that's after he does this

1644
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:08,800
bad guy speech. Aunt May finds Peter's research on his dad,

1645
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,399
his crazy wall. Yes, and Peter begs to know more

1646
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:16,279
about him, and she's like, look, uh, well, from first

1647
01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:17,680
she spoils that she's a nursing.

1648
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: She's nursing, and he just has no reaction to him nursing.

1649
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,640
You know how I feel about nurses. How dare you?

1650
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:24,720
I tried to keep it a secret. I'm sorry.

1651
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:30,279
Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, and she's just like, look again, she's

1652
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:32,720
really shitting on Richard's like, you're my son, not his like,

1653
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:35,000
but the anger that she has it makes it seem

1654
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:37,800
like she might know he's still alive or something. But

1655
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,800
she tells him that the government came and said that

1656
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,039
they stole a bunch of stuff and that they were

1657
01:13:43,119 --> 01:13:44,439
like traders.

1658
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 3: They were a bunch of comedies. You're better off and

1659
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:46,239
out of here.

1660
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: She was they were selling secrets for money, and she's like,

1661
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,079
I can't believe this unassuming guy who always went to

1662
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:54,920
Roosevelt Station she like named some station that he went to,

1663
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:56,880
would do something like this.

1664
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,319
Speaker 3: I mean it's like this is a complicated interaction, like

1665
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:03,079
the dynamic of you know, she understands that he wants

1666
01:14:03,159 --> 01:14:06,079
to know his biological parents. At the same time, she

1667
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:08,960
almost feels underappreciated and insulted because like, am I not

1668
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:11,359
good enough for you? Yeah? But I will say, like

1669
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:14,800
Sally Field and Martin Sheen from the first movie, I

1670
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,720
feel their performances they come off as disingenuous to me.

1671
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:21,399
And it might just be because every scene they're in

1672
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,680
is some like big speech. Yeah, it's it's always the melodrama,

1673
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:29,600
so they don't come across as like real characters. Yeah,

1674
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:31,479
but I like this interaction here.

1675
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was okay, Spider Man, uh what's called meets

1676
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,319
with Harry and he's like, hey, not gonna give you

1677
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:39,840
my blood?

1678
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 3: See if bye?

1679
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: But again this is he should be like, can you.

1680
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,359
Speaker 1: Give me your blood? I'll run some tests. And it's

1681
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:49,560
just like, because I guess Oscorp's not allowed to. But

1682
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,199
if people be like, hey, Harry look set me up

1683
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,279
with the lab. I'll go through all this stuff and said,

1684
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:56,199
he's like, now, buddy, he's just gonna have to die.

1685
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:59,319
Speaker 3: Bye. Yes, kirk Connor has set up a secret bait.

1686
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,359
Soon two seconds the Spider Man is.

1687
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,399
Speaker 1: Doing he's trying to make electricity proof webs he can't

1688
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,039
also try to do it uses spider blood to help him.

1689
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:15,319
Speaker 3: We have had wonders if technology. We've got a delighter,

1690
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:20,920
a self healing suit. It's like, but studying blood it's crazy.

1691
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: Because again he's afraid he's gonna end up like the

1692
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,680
lizard or something, which I guess he's right, but it's like, yeah,

1693
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,000
but you could have like figured out how to like

1694
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:27,640
avoid that.

1695
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:30,399
Speaker 3: So yeah.

1696
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: Peter tells when that he's sad, but he wants what's

1697
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,600
best for her, and she's like, we're just on different paths. Peter,

1698
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,159
and I think this is when she's hat the thing

1699
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:41,079
to apply for Oxford.

1700
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's going crazy. He's like, my fair lady,

1701
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:44,640
I got to save the queen. Yeah.

1702
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the fucking goes on for way too long,

1703
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:51,560
so he throws the temper tantrum.

1704
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,119
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm so bad.

1705
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: My girlfriend's trying to get a job, and he smashes

1706
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,600
the calculator with tokens, and then he looks up this

1707
01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:04,239
secret abandoned station that Roosevelt used so no one would

1708
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:07,199
know that he had polio. And he's like, ah, yes,

1709
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:11,079
I'm gonna go there and I'll learn some things. Meanwhile,

1710
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,880
Felicia tells Harry that security had the venom extracted from

1711
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,520
the spiders and they're being held in a place called

1712
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,760
Special Projects, and he's.

1713
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 3: Like, bad guy factory, Yes, the bad guy Factory.

1714
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,119
Speaker 1: And he looks up special Projects and for some reason,

1715
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:30,000
he first clicks on Max's file, which they have that

1716
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:32,039
whole thing where he's watching the video, but it's from

1717
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:35,000
underneath the tables, so half the faces Max's and yeah,

1718
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:35,880
because they're gonna.

1719
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 3: Team up, yeah, which didn't make a whole lot of sense,

1720
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,640
because it's like, Okay, I need to break in downstairs

1721
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,159
and get the venom. Yeah, but it's like, is it

1722
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:46,079
so okay? So the way you're gonna do that is

1723
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:49,760
by breaking into Ravencroft and stealing electro to have him

1724
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,520
help you break in. Yeah, but it's like if you

1725
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,039
can break into one place, I don't know. Do we

1726
01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:58,039
just accept that Raven crofts break into he needs muscles,

1727
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:00,359
and then ultimately he uses electro a little bit and

1728
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,239
then it uses a gun. Yeah, and gets that I

1729
01:17:03,279 --> 01:17:04,720
think he could have just used a gun. I don't

1730
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:05,640
know if you need pretty much.

1731
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1732
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. While he's looking up the file, he realizes that

1733
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,600
they both hate Spider Man, and then Businessman comes in.

1734
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,960
He goes, yep, look, he's watching the video of this

1735
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,199
man that he killed and covered up.

1736
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: So they like totally sabotage the pin.

1737
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 3: It all on him, like killing it Max still and

1738
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,479
making him disappear. Yeah, and he's just like, I know

1739
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,680
the way out, and which is how he delivers all

1740
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,880
of his life. Yeah. Everything he says is just as

1741
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,279
an underbelly of evil to it.

1742
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,239
Speaker 1: Every single line I think was supposed to be used

1743
01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:39,560
for like a trailer, yeah, which.

1744
01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 3: I well, the one was used so annoying because I

1745
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:45,039
remember when that Then when the trailer came out, my

1746
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,479
brother and I for some reason, that line just really

1747
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,239
resonated with us. We kept minding it too. I'd be like, hey, one,

1748
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,199
isn't that the question of it? I was like, I

1749
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:54,920
can't wait to see the context of it. And then

1750
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:55,840
it wasn't in the movie.

1751
01:17:56,039 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: So earlier, when he was showing him all the videos

1752
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,560
and stuff, he basically revealed that, uh, in the deleted scene,

1753
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,680
that Oscorpe has been spying on him for years. That's

1754
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:05,159
one of the things.

1755
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume because they don't say why, but I

1756
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,600
assume that they they suspect that he was well, no,

1757
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,079
only because I guess because he's Richard's.

1758
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe they think he'll see Richard. So they're

1759
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:20,000
following him around, right because yeah, even though wow, we're

1760
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:23,039
supposed to think Richard's dead. But yeah, now that they

1761
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,960
delete at that ending, this makes no sense. So Peter

1762
01:18:27,319 --> 01:18:30,079
crawls into the station and he uses the token, which

1763
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:32,000
reveals the hidden train car. Who built this?

1764
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 3: I guess?

1765
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,079
Speaker 1: So Richard Parker build like all the hydraulic systems, and

1766
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:38,520
so what the fuck is this?

1767
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like what was he doing in that lab?

1768
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,359
Speaker 1: But like I don't know, just to fa Yeah, ohso

1769
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,279
he's on a what was it when did he disappear?

1770
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:47,920
Like two thousand and four or something. So he's on

1771
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,079
a plane using like early two thousands Wi Fi to

1772
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:54,640
send to underneath the Congress.

1773
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 3: They have holograms now, that means they must be like

1774
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,760
twenty years ahead of us in your technology, and.

1775
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. And he goes in there and

1776
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:06,920
he watches his father's video and it's all like Norman

1777
01:19:07,039 --> 01:19:11,960
Osborne was working with a foreign entity unnamed.

1778
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,119
Speaker 3: Said, with as much emotion as you have in your voice.

1779
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,039
Speaker 1: Pretty much, he's like working with a farn entity. And

1780
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,199
we realize he was gonna use I realized he was

1781
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:24,680
gonna use our biological stuff for weapons, so I decided

1782
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,800
to take all my information out of there and screw

1783
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,079
him over. And they're gonna hunt me down. He's like,

1784
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:33,079
but what he doesn't know is that the spiders are

1785
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:40,399
infected with my DNA, so only people with my DNA

1786
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,680
can benefit from the spider So basically that's why the

1787
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,760
spider bite worked on Peter. Yeah, I thought it was

1788
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,800
gonna be like again, this is like a weird reccon

1789
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,520
like Hulk two thousand and three, where it's like the

1790
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,399
dad gave him something and that's why you survive the radiation.

1791
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,439
But it's a little bit like the dad put his

1792
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,279
DNA in the spider, so that's why only Peter Parker can.

1793
01:19:59,279 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 3: Get spider power. And I had a spider fetish.

1794
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:08,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, they framed him and that's why he had

1795
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:08,720
to leave.

1796
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the most interesting way to wrap up a

1797
01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:14,359
mystery box is to have a guy just boring, Uh,

1798
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,520
just like ramble to a camera and explain everything.

1799
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Harry breaks into the asylum and just

1800
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:21,520
tases the two guards.

1801
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1802
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: Great plan you had there, Harry.

1803
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, Harry wants to team up with Electro and

1804
01:20:28,279 --> 01:20:30,199
he promises to free him if he helps him get

1805
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,640
into OSCORB and then they're both gonna kill Spider Man

1806
01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:36,079
and an Electro is hesitant. But then Harry's like I

1807
01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:39,680
need you and he's like you need me. We're best friends.

1808
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,880
Now we're like a sinister two. So yeah, he breaks

1809
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,079
him out, and this is what he goes, like Doctor Manhattan,

1810
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:47,960
rebuilding his skeleton.

1811
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 3: Mode like floating. Yeah.

1812
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he kills a bunch of people and then

1813
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:59,600
he throws scary German guy into the tank. Uh. Peter

1814
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,319
leaves the subway and he gets a voicemail about from

1815
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:05,720
Glen about how she accepted the thing to Oxford and

1816
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,439
she has to go right now, and also she's breaking

1817
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,960
up with him again. Yes, very yeah, very quick, very quick.

1818
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,520
And also around this time based on what we could

1819
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:17,840
tell from pictures this would have been.

1820
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: There would have been a scene here.

1821
01:21:19,039 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: There was a deleted scene where she goes to his

1822
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:23,119
house and he's not there, but there would have been

1823
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:25,079
another scene where she would have met Mary Jane.

1824
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,399
Speaker 2: Right now, we didn't really talk about Mary Jane. You

1825
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,359
had a theory or you know what, bits.

1826
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,079
Speaker 3: And pieces have come out of what her role was

1827
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:33,960
going to be in the movie. There was an interview

1828
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,279
with the concept artist who talked about some of what

1829
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:38,359
he drew, and so one of the things he put

1830
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:42,199
together was mj was going to be Peter's new next

1831
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:45,119
door neighbor or something. And so the concept artist talked

1832
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:48,479
about a scene where she has an abusive father and

1833
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,399
Peter was gonna web him up and like walk upside

1834
01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:53,960
down and intimidate him, but you stop beating up or

1835
01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,800
stop stop abusing your daughter, And so he actually talked

1836
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,439
about how they were going to build an upside down

1837
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,359
set so Peter could walk on the scene and everything. Yeah,

1838
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,840
that was pretty much as much information as we got.

1839
01:22:04,119 --> 01:22:06,760
Gwen was going to meet her at some point. Possibly

1840
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,079
there was gonna be like a tinge of jealousy. Yeah,

1841
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:11,319
of if Peter and her interaction. But that was pretty

1842
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:11,600
much it.

1843
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: It really is. I get the one to do that,

1844
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,439
but it is just like, don't worry, he's got a

1845
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,680
replacement girl. And I'm like, that's gonna kind of take

1846
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,399
the weight out of the death of Gwen's stay.

1847
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 3: It would have been a little gross. The movie's already

1848
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,960
over stuffed. Yeah, we definitely do that in the sequel.

1849
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: You do that in sequel bring Mary Jane's were to

1850
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,000
have Mary Jane there now.

1851
01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like they also like learned their lesson

1852
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,000
from Spider Man three, where Peter's like making out with

1853
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:35,600
Gwen Stacy and mj It's like, let's make Peter.

1854
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:44,359
Speaker 1: Not so Harry goes back to Oscorp and Electro materializes

1855
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:45,319
now wearing the suit.

1856
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: Yes, he just it must be. I mean they've got well, no,

1857
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:53,199
I was gonna say that in the Bad Guy Factory,

1858
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:55,000
they've got all these ready made suits. But he didn't

1859
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,039
get down there. To get down there, Yeah, yeah, I

1860
01:22:57,079 --> 01:22:57,880
guess he just made it.

1861
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: It's got veins on it, which was by the way,

1862
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,000
did you know, like in farm releases this was called

1863
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:04,920
Rise of Electro.

1864
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 3: I did not know that. So stupid they saw a.

1865
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,119
Speaker 1: Blu ray box out there was just Electro's head.

1866
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,159
Speaker 3: Big blue add Yeah, that was the one that came

1867
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:19,119
out where everyone was like, what what is that? Uh? See?

1868
01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: I like that they kill him and then they have

1869
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,279
to like bring him back to life. Yeah, they like

1870
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,800
stop his heart and then start his heart and he's like,

1871
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,319
all right, where is it? And he's like, okay, I'll

1872
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,640
show you where it is, and then he goes, okay, Electro,

1873
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:33,720
you can go to that grid now.

1874
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: But I was just like, wait, Electuro is like pure energy.

1875
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 1: Couldn't he have just like gone into the electricity and

1876
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,319
oscar but just found the thing and been like it's here.

1877
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1878
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: Why did they have to kill that guy to find

1879
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,399
out where the building was in? What the fuck? They're

1880
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:49,039
in the building?

1881
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 3: The room is there?

1882
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,119
Speaker 1: Electro could have been like, yeah, I'll just go in

1883
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:52,840
the power and I'll search for it. Oh, here it is.

1884
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,800
He might have already known because he worked on all

1885
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:56,840
the electricity there.

1886
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:00,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, dumb, he's wacky. He's crazy.

1887
01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:03,359
Speaker 1: He's not thinking straight, I guess so, But yeah, Harry

1888
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,880
goes into special projects. You know, you get to see

1889
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,319
venom I think, or maybe that was only in the trailer.

1890
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:11,319
We do see doctor octopuses. You see his tentacles, and

1891
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:14,079
we see the vulture's wings. I think I'm pretty sure

1892
01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:19,279
we see manim We might do remember, but yeah, he's like, okay,

1893
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,239
give me that spider goblin juice. And the whole time,

1894
01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:25,840
the guy's like, it's not gonna work. We tried.

1895
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,359
Speaker 3: Well, so what he thinks is we never did human

1896
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,800
trials because it's too dangerous. But Spider Man's out there,

1897
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,800
so clearly it worked on a human. They just don't

1898
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,760
know it. But what he doesn't know is that it's

1899
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,319
got Peter's dad's and the spiders. You've got to be

1900
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:41,319
a Parker for it to work.

1901
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he puts it in him, and then a

1902
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:49,359
business guy leaves, Yes, never to be seen again. But yeah,

1903
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,399
he starts like mutating and turning into a goblin who's green.

1904
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that it is a seriou. It's a

1905
01:24:55,359 --> 01:24:57,720
magic seerum. It'll either turn you into a Spider Man

1906
01:24:58,159 --> 01:24:59,920
or a green goblin. Yeh, you can't really tell which

1907
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:00,439
it's going to go.

1908
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: But then I guess, like it's mutting so much that

1909
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,159
he's gonna die. But luckily, what do you know? It

1910
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,920
the green suit that keeps you alive. Happens to be there, Gil,

1911
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,119
he just crawl over to it and he gets in,

1912
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:17,640
and would you know it, it's attached to a glider

1913
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,239
that we haven't heard about other than the only reason

1914
01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:22,720
this exists is because we know he's supposed.

1915
01:25:22,319 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 2: To have a glider, right, That's it, Like that was

1916
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,000
such a stupid set up for this.

1917
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's so many I mean they they're

1918
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,239
acting like Harry is dying tomorrow. Yeah, there's no time

1919
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:36,479
to figure this out. I've got to inject this weird

1920
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,000
stuff into me. I gotta break electro out. Not well,

1921
01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:42,119
it just doesn't make any sense.

1922
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: The same clock thing would have been his company trying

1923
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,079
to out him, like get him out before he could

1924
01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:48,880
do any of this, right, but he doesn't even know

1925
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:50,640
they're trying to mutiny him at all.

1926
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

1927
01:25:52,279 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: But Yeah, just like the fact that it's there and

1928
01:25:54,079 --> 01:25:56,760
the glider just comes out like it made sense to

1929
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,479
the other one. It's like, yeah, that was the glider

1930
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,600
was something he was working on. He had flight suit.

1931
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,600
We assume Norman was working on that for years.

1932
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. It also just doesn't have any of the weight

1933
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,399
of like you compare it to the Sam Raimi trilogy

1934
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,239
where it's three movies of build up to Harry turned Dad,

1935
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,560
and by then you built up this friendship between him

1936
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,920
and Peter Parker had its ups and downs. So you

1937
01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:21,479
were like, noah, maybe, I mean, but a third movie.

1938
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were going into the third movie. We were

1939
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,039
like no, and then we watched them. We're like, why

1940
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:27,039
is he a snowboarder?

1941
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:30,199
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, But here you're like, all right, we get it,

1942
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:31,960
like we're checking the boxes. He's got to become the

1943
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:32,640
Green Goblin.

1944
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird, like, yeah, we're going all in

1945
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,840
on a electro and oh also we're gonna throw in

1946
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,399
like his like greatest villain ever.

1947
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah the fuck, Like that's you gotta do one or

1948
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:43,720
the other.

1949
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 3: I think, guys, how are we gonna do Green Goblin?

1950
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,760
Norman Osbourne's dead. I was like, you're the one who

1951
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,239
killed him, all right, we'll use Harry Osbourne. And that

1952
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:51,680
really was just to make it different.

1953
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't you do like Hobgoblin who's not

1954
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:54,520
an Osbourne?

1955
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 2: Why don't you do that instead?

1956
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 3: So many questions.

1957
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he gets and his glider and then we

1958
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:04,600
would have seen him killing a bunch of people with

1959
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,760
pumpkin bombs, including the business guy who he drags all

1960
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,960
the way into the air and then just drops, and

1961
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,279
then he would have had a moment with Felicia Hardy

1962
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,800
Harding Hardy Felicia Hardy.

1963
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 3: I can't remember because I always mix up the character's

1964
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,600
name and the actress's name. Yeah, black catlet's black Cat.

1965
01:27:22,319 --> 01:27:24,199
Speaker 1: Uh, he like gives her a look and then he

1966
01:27:24,279 --> 01:27:26,239
flies away, but the effects aren't finished, so it turns

1967
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:27,880
into like animatic flying.

1968
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:31,199
Speaker 3: It looks like Poucci when he's going back to his planet.

1969
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 2: So he's off. Uh, spider Man is sad.

1970
01:27:42,319 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 3: Whoa spider man is sad?

1971
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 1: No way?

1972
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 2: So he webs up a sign that says I love.

1973
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 3: You like that. I thought it was nice. It was

1974
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:52,439
a nice gesture.

1975
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,079
Speaker 1: How many people were sitting there being like did he

1976
01:27:54,119 --> 01:27:55,960
make that for me? Does he love?

1977
01:27:56,079 --> 01:27:56,239
Speaker 3: Just? Like?

1978
01:27:56,319 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: Oh?

1979
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Was that like the plural you?

1980
01:27:58,039 --> 01:28:01,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I remembered that happen. Like some random

1981
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:03,760
bystander was like, wow, it's for me, But that's made

1982
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:04,319
that up in my head.

1983
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's like, look, we'll go to Oxford together.

1984
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,039
Speaker 3: It is crime in England, right, Jack the Ripper's still

1985
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:12,600
out there.

1986
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:15,399
Speaker 1: By like the whole like you're gonna go far, I'm

1987
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,199
coming with you. It's like, ah, buddy, yeah, let her go. Dude,

1988
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:21,560
I knew, I knew a guy whose girlfriend was traveling

1989
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,880
abroad for like school. Yeah, and he tries to raise

1990
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,720
money for a film project that had to be shot

1991
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:30,399
in Europe.

1992
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 3: God, so you were like you just quietly slid a

1993
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:36,239
blu ray of amazing Spider Man two. No, I think

1994
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:37,720
it was pre should Spider Man.

1995
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, lady, let your girlfriend like obviously she's

1996
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,920
gonna got a cheat on your girl. Man, Like, come on, man,

1997
01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:50,840
it's college. Come on, imagine being that clingy. I don't

1998
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,319
think I could ever be that clinging. Now their celebration

1999
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,439
is cut short because Max absorbs the grid and power's

2000
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,119
going out. How is Aunt Meg gonna help all these patients?

2001
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 2: Gwen?

2002
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,399
Speaker 1: It's just like, you gotta magnetize your web shooters. I'm

2003
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,760
gooder at science than you are. He's like, oh, I didn't.

2004
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,359
Speaker 3: Think to do that. Magnets, Yeah, how do they?

2005
01:29:17,319 --> 01:29:20,319
Speaker 1: So he's like, all right, I'll figure out how to

2006
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,159
We gotta go figure out how to do that. But

2007
01:29:22,279 --> 01:29:25,920
the the clock is ticking because two planes can't communicate

2008
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,319
with ground control and they might go crashing.

2009
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:30,239
Speaker 3: And it's kind of funny how at no point is

2010
01:29:30,279 --> 01:29:33,319
Peter Parker aware of those planes, Like it's just deciding

2011
01:29:33,359 --> 01:29:36,199
that the characters have no idea about. Yeah, it just

2012
01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:38,640
feels like such a cheap way to build tension. It's

2013
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,880
like somewhere else, a bunch of people are gonna die. Okay,

2014
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,199
back to the action. Those people, we saved them.

2015
01:29:45,359 --> 01:29:47,319
Speaker 1: It's not even like there was someone we knew on

2016
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:51,520
the plane that would help a little bit. Uh dumb, Yeah,

2017
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,359
other than breaking bad. How to subplot about two planes

2018
01:29:54,399 --> 01:29:56,199
crashing into each other and that was still popular at

2019
01:29:56,199 --> 01:29:58,159
the time. Yeah, but you think it was that cynical,

2020
01:29:58,399 --> 01:30:01,840
were like this will remind people breaking It's like, no, maybe,

2021
01:30:05,239 --> 01:30:08,920
but they barely talk about that crash in that show afterwards. Yeah,

2022
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,520
but I mean they'll do it a little bit. But

2023
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:12,760
I'm like, I feel like they would have been talking

2024
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,439
about it, because that show takes place in like one year.

2025
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,800
They should have been talking about it. So anyway, so

2026
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,319
he's like, all right, right, we gotta go magnetize these

2027
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:24,399
So yeah, they get jumper cables and they I guess

2028
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,079
that magnetizes his webshooters. I don't know how it works.

2029
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,279
We've got to.

2030
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 3: Right, electrician, we've got to match it.

2031
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 1: And suit looks a lot better in this one. Oh yeah,

2032
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,720
it's got big giant white eyes. They never did the

2033
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,279
big giant white eyes. So he's like, all right, I'm

2034
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:39,960
gonna go. She's like, wait, I have to go because

2035
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,960
I know how to reset the system. Because of course

2036
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:42,600
I fucking.

2037
01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 3: Do I know how to push a button.

2038
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: Weren't you an intern for a biologist. Why do you

2039
01:30:46,039 --> 01:30:47,399
know about the electricity gridge?

2040
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

2041
01:30:49,159 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: So I gotta go.

2042
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 2: He's like, no webbing, We're gonna web you to the thing.

2043
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: And then she says Peter instead of Spider Man, and

2044
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,680
everyone says that was like an accident that they left in,

2045
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,039
But also, is that just a lot.

2046
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,279
Speaker 3: So when he's running away, she says Peter, Yeah, I

2047
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:10,840
mean it's like a high stressful situation. I don't know why,

2048
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:11,399
what do you think?

2049
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,239
Speaker 1: What's your I think it was just written like that,

2050
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:14,920
and they thought they'd be cutesy and say it was

2051
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,199
an accident that they left him.

2052
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,159
Speaker 3: Oh so, oh, this is one of those things where

2053
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:20,520
they say the actor said it, but we Oh yeah,

2054
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:21,840
I never believe those stories.

2055
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Now, there are some times I believe it when it's

2056
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,760
an actual flub, like the originally Evil Dad. The one

2057
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,680
guy foxes up his line and before the camera pans

2058
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,680
away because they only had one take, you see him go.

2059
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,680
You see him go like this because he fucked up

2060
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,079
the line and the camera just moves.

2061
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 3: I was like the movie Primer, you know at the

2062
01:31:38,119 --> 01:31:41,359
time travel movie. Oh, this was like it is known

2063
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,920
as like the time travel movie. It's like a puzzle

2064
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,720
box to figure out how it all fits together. It's

2065
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:51,159
super small independent movie, but like they had at the

2066
01:31:51,279 --> 01:31:53,119
end of the director started it and so at the

2067
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,079
end of a lot of scenes you'd see him say cut,

2068
01:31:55,159 --> 01:31:57,159
but he just cut the audio out. The scenes would

2069
01:31:57,159 --> 01:32:00,920
just end with him going, what.

2070
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: Was the other one?

2071
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:02,239
Speaker 2: Boogie Knights?

2072
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,359
Speaker 1: You ever see Boogie Knights? Yeah, when the guy's like

2073
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,640
wife is having sex on the ground in front of everyone,

2074
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,920
he like fucks up and he goes, she's got up

2075
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:09,279
what is it?

2076
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 2: She's got an acid.

2077
01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Her cock, which makes no sense, but apparently he just

2078
01:32:14,079 --> 01:32:16,119
thought that was really funny and he left those I

2079
01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:18,640
believe yeah, yeah, because like that makes absolutely why would

2080
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:19,520
you leave that in there.

2081
01:32:20,079 --> 01:32:22,159
Speaker 2: By this one, I'm like, I feel like that was rated.

2082
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 3: And then I guess I would also believe if she

2083
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,800
said it wrong and they were like whatever, just leaving

2084
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:27,640
nobody's watching.

2085
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:32,159
Speaker 1: By this see uh uh, Spider Man's swinging around, and

2086
01:32:32,199 --> 01:32:35,000
then Electro goes zord on mode. He has a giant

2087
01:32:35,079 --> 01:32:35,840
head on a building.

2088
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,039
Speaker 2: He's like, can you see me now?

2089
01:32:37,159 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: Spider Man's like, yeah, he's too powerful for water now.

2090
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

2091
01:32:43,319 --> 01:32:45,159
Speaker 2: They try to do the water thing and he can't

2092
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:45,439
do it.

2093
01:32:46,279 --> 01:32:46,399
Speaker 3: Uh.

2094
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:52,319
Speaker 1: And then Willem Dafoe is singing itsy Bitsy Spider. Kind

2095
01:32:52,359 --> 01:32:55,239
of work for that character because he was like enjoying

2096
01:32:55,319 --> 01:32:58,199
being evil and he was like all crazy this one.

2097
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,039
Electro is in electricity for him and it's just making

2098
01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:03,760
the itsy bitsy Spider sound.

2099
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, at this point, like we have left

2100
01:33:07,079 --> 01:33:10,439
like a traditionally good movie so far behind, Yes, and

2101
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,279
so I think we're at throw everything at the wall

2102
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:18,359
and yeah, hearing a crazy Electro rendition of itsy bitsy Spider,

2103
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,600
he does make the scene more entertaining. Yeah, it's a

2104
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,920
stupid scene. It's very stupid. Now it's stupid and entertaining.

2105
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,279
It's it's like every time his phone rings and it's

2106
01:33:27,279 --> 01:33:28,600
like bo babite.

2107
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,239
Speaker 2: So the jumper cables made his webs magnetized.

2108
01:33:31,279 --> 01:33:33,039
Speaker 1: Why isn't he did it?

2109
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:34,199
Speaker 3: Do it to his whole suit?

2110
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 2: Is the electricity it's like not working.

2111
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 3: There was a news report at one point where these

2112
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,000
guys are like, oh, his suit must be like rubberized

2113
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:43,079
or something. He found I think he did something to

2114
01:33:43,159 --> 01:33:45,000
his suit to protect him against electricity.

2115
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 2: He just how did he know what he needed that?

2116
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:48,640
I guess we made.

2117
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,199
Speaker 3: Maybe it was in that montage his exploited Yeah, it is.

2118
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: It is annoying when superhero movies like the next suit's

2119
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,640
just completely different. It's like explain how. Yeah, I like

2120
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,439
when they explain how this isn't a movie.

2121
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 3: But in this Spider Man Insomniac game, he's like, I

2122
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,319
don't know how to beat Doctor Octopus. She's like, you

2123
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,760
help design his suit. So then he creates a new

2124
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,840
Spider suit, but it's never clear what's different about this

2125
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,159
Spider suit that makes it better suited for fighting a

2126
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:14,159
guy with six arms.

2127
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 1: It's dumb looking.

2128
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

2129
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:17,520
Speaker 2: It is like the worst.

2130
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 3: It's rubberized.

2131
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,359
Speaker 1: Then again, I played most of that game with the

2132
01:34:22,119 --> 01:34:27,399
bombastic bag Man outfit, So what do I know? They're fighting.

2133
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,199
Spider Man and Gwen argue and he's like, you gotta

2134
01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:34,039
get out of here. She's like, no, I choose to

2135
01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:37,199
be here, so she's pro choice. It's all like I choose,

2136
01:34:37,279 --> 01:34:40,920
It's my choice. Like, can you guys move faster on electricity?

2137
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 3: Man? I do think again. I always say with Andrew

2138
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,680
Garfield that he can sell these moments and here where

2139
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,199
he's got the mask on so he can't show his

2140
01:34:48,279 --> 01:34:52,720
facial expressions, so he really like overacts his arms. He's like, Gwen,

2141
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,720
what are you doing here? But he sounds genuinely panicked,

2142
01:34:56,199 --> 01:34:59,000
and you know she's gonna die, So like that, I

2143
01:34:59,039 --> 01:35:00,239
felt it was very intense there.

2144
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:06,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sees ghosts, so their plan is to like

2145
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,840
overcharge him so they can murder that mentally challenged man.

2146
01:35:10,279 --> 01:35:12,279
I can't stress enough. It's not like how do we

2147
01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:14,319
get to help him? They're like, we're just gonna blow

2148
01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:14,720
him up?

2149
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 3: But are you gonna do?

2150
01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, seems a little mean for Spider Man. If

2151
01:35:20,359 --> 01:35:22,560
you had a black Symbiit suit, I'd buy into him,

2152
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,880
but right now just seems really mean. Like yeah, We're

2153
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,560
gonna blow him up. There's no reasoning with him. But

2154
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,920
sure in the real world do that, but like in

2155
01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:32,800
the comic book universe, he's try.

2156
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 3: It's good to know where you stand. Should be super charged, and.

2157
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: Obviously there's an electricity man and I had to blow

2158
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,520
him up, like not ta get eighty chances. But I'm

2159
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,800
not a superhero, Gill. I'm not a superhero.

2160
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 3: I know that.

2161
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they overload him. He explodes and we even see

2162
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,239
his little head battery go down.

2163
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:56,359
Speaker 2: Stupid battery.

2164
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,359
Speaker 3: It's like, who is that for? I don't know, doesn't

2165
01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:02,079
see it, So it's just like for any.

2166
01:36:04,039 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: This is what I don't get, Like he demateializes, so

2167
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,159
is he rebuilding the head battery every single time?

2168
01:36:10,359 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 3: That's one of those superhero things we just accept, like

2169
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,159
could turn invisible and like their clothes comes with them

2170
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,039
or they teleport and it comes with them. Yes, you know,

2171
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:21,800
except for in The Boys. Yeah, he becomes naked every time.

2172
01:36:22,279 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: I heard about that out of the Boys end, Were

2173
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:25,079
you happy?

2174
01:36:25,119 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet, don't spoil it for me.

2175
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch. I didn't watch it. Yeah, I

2176
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,960
know I know what happens, but I don't care.

2177
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 3: I saw the tweets. I see yes.

2178
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,239
Speaker 1: So they're dead and everyone's happy and it's all great.

2179
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,720
And now this is the part where Spider Man fights

2180
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:47,319
the Green Goblin. He literally just shows up. He's like,

2181
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:49,039
now you have to fight me now, because we're at

2182
01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:51,319
that part of the movie. Feels like a video game.

2183
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,840
I'm the final boss, like, oh, you are cool.

2184
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 3: And they didn't do anything to modify his voice. He's

2185
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,079
just like putting on a voice like it's.

2186
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,560
Speaker 1: And then he sees Gwen. Spider Man goes Gwen. He's like,

2187
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:09,439
Gwen Stacy, that's the guy Peter likes, like your Peter Parker.

2188
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,000
I hate you for not giving.

2189
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 2: Me your blood.

2190
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:16,079
Speaker 1: And Peter should be like, well, I was kind afraid

2191
01:37:16,399 --> 01:37:19,439
what happened would happen. Yeah, I don't know if you know.

2192
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,600
This kind of proves I'm right, actually you're a goblin.

2193
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,199
Speaker 2: Also, why are you so good at gliding? How do

2194
01:37:24,279 --> 01:37:25,039
you know how to glide?

2195
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,319
Speaker 1: Literally he's been Greek Uplin for like a like the

2196
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:34,920
Quinn Stacy death was after like years of them fighting.

2197
01:37:35,279 --> 01:37:38,239
Speaker 3: Is a lot compressed. Yeah, not even into this movie,

2198
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:40,439
into this subplot within this movie.

2199
01:37:41,079 --> 01:37:43,399
Speaker 1: At one point he flies them up, flies her up

2200
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,600
so high, and Peter goes let her go, and he goes, okay,

2201
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:49,840
poor choice. I have it here. I've seen the Dark

2202
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,239
Night it was still that was still fresh too. It's like,

2203
01:37:53,319 --> 01:37:55,680
come on, So they fight in the clock tower. Remember

2204
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:00,039
that watch from earlier. It's so you would you we

2205
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:01,880
get to this scene with all the gears, you'd be like,

2206
01:38:02,039 --> 01:38:05,000
the watch? Did the watch play into this at all?

2207
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 3: It has gears?

2208
01:38:07,319 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: That's literally it. Yeah, that's literally it. That's so dumb.

2209
01:38:12,279 --> 01:38:15,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're fighting and the whole time Gwen's following,

2210
01:38:15,279 --> 01:38:18,640
he has to keep catching her. And like any other movie,

2211
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,439
this probably would have been an exciting scene. But at

2212
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,880
this point, I'm just exhausted and I just want.

2213
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 3: To get my perk back up in this scene, really,

2214
01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:28,159
I get into it. Yeah. I think it's because I

2215
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,680
was into all the Gwen I guess Peter Parker scenes.

2216
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,359
It's just I buy the chemistry between them, and I've

2217
01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:38,039
gotten over the years. I've gotten better at like teasing

2218
01:38:38,119 --> 01:38:41,760
a movie apart and being able to enjoy individual components

2219
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,199
of it even though the whole is not great. So

2220
01:38:44,359 --> 01:38:47,039
I can get back on board here, and I thought

2221
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:48,119
it's very intense.

2222
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:49,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it could be.

2223
01:38:49,359 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: I think just for me, it's just like we just

2224
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:54,239
had one really big battle and now we have just

2225
01:38:54,359 --> 01:38:56,159
another big battle.

2226
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 3: Are correct? Yeah, I think you have the correct opinion

2227
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,520
on this movie. Yes, it's way too much green Goblin

2228
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:03,079
is not.

2229
01:39:03,399 --> 01:39:04,079
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.

2230
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:06,239
Speaker 1: This would be an exciting scene maybe, like if you

2231
01:39:06,319 --> 01:39:08,880
watch this out of context, you would probably draw your

2232
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,680
own conclusions on how they got there, but it'd be

2233
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,319
pretty exciting. But yeah, it's just like, this isn't like

2234
01:39:13,399 --> 01:39:16,319
the end of a story they've been telling. It's literally

2235
01:39:16,399 --> 01:39:18,319
like it was sprinkled here and there, and it's literally

2236
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:22,560
this whole conflict, like the physical altercation conflict. Start it

2237
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:23,039
right now.

2238
01:39:23,279 --> 01:39:26,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm I literally enjoy it on the

2239
01:39:26,279 --> 01:39:29,439
level of it's very sad when Gwen's Stacy dies. It

2240
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,159
was sad in the comics and now I'm seeing that

2241
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,199
rendered in live action. Yeah, totally forgetting the context of

2242
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:36,960
the rest of the movie.

2243
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the only time we get a pumpkin bomb.

2244
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, not too if we had, if we have that

2245
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,920
other scene, we would ahead just not a suggestion to

2246
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,439
put the way the scenes back in the movie and

2247
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:47,279
make it even longer.

2248
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're fighting. She falls and uh, uh

2249
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,520
what you were called? Harry gets Harry gets knocked into

2250
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,119
a wall and things fall over him.

2251
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,119
Speaker 3: Which is like he's taking a lot of damage. Its

2252
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:02,159
been a lot of punching. But like these pipes, these

2253
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:04,399
are the things that was the one that did undoing.

2254
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: Some pipes fell on him and he's done. Yep, he's

2255
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:07,680
no longer a threat.

2256
01:40:08,359 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 3: Uh.

2257
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,399
Speaker 1: Spider Man grabs on the rail and he shoots that.

2258
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 3: Web and she turns into a little hand. Yeah, it's

2259
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:15,800
a little corny.

2260
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: Any other movie. If there were like, uh, if there

2261
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,760
was like visual stuff like that throughout the film, kind

2262
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:30,479
of like magical realism, shit, I would have bought it.

2263
01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:36,319
But much like the inner Monologue, rap song and the hallucinations,

2264
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,920
this is like the only time it happens. And I'm like, no,

2265
01:40:40,199 --> 01:40:42,600
you didn't earn the webhand, you didn't earn.

2266
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 3: It at all.

2267
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, catches her and of course she hits her

2268
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:46,479
head on the way down.

2269
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:47,359
Speaker 3: She dies. Yeah.

2270
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 1: I think in the comic she like snaps her.

2271
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,199
Speaker 3: Next snaps her neck. Yeah. Yeah, and then he was

2272
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,439
always unclear to me if like it was a next

2273
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,279
snap here or her head hit the ground, but yeah,

2274
01:40:57,319 --> 01:41:00,560
either way, she's very clearly dead. This rain you Guardfield

2275
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,960
kills me with this performance. Guess stay with me, Stay

2276
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,399
with me. Yeah, And it's like not even a sign

2277
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:08,560
of life at all. But he's going through emotions and

2278
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,560
he can't accept it and it's heart wrenching, you know.

2279
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,479
And then you go to the funeral and you go

2280
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:14,439
to the montage.

2281
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,119
Speaker 2: Wait, we go to the funeral, what about the green Goblin?

2282
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you go to the gentleman.

2283
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, well no, no, So so what happened was

2284
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,439
I was telling you I found pictures of this. They

2285
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,039
didn't release the scene he was gonna go back up

2286
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:28,960
and like beat the shit out of Harry, and there's

2287
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,760
scenes where it looks like he's about to murder him

2288
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:34,159
and then he like stops himself. That would have been cool, Yeah,

2289
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:36,840
but he he murdered Max a second ago.

2290
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,399
Speaker 3: Well it's easier when they're made out of energy. You're like,

2291
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,760
it doesn't really count anymore. He's barely even human.

2292
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:44,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why the kind of out it's like, well,

2293
01:41:44,279 --> 01:41:47,640
it's weird that he murdered. The guy was like, it's

2294
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,319
weird that he murdered the sympathetic guy who this was

2295
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:53,479
forced upon and not like the actual bad guy. So yeah,

2296
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,199
that's why that end. Think it is just awkward. It's like, oh,

2297
01:41:55,239 --> 01:41:57,199
he's just down, and you're like, wait, what So the

2298
01:41:57,239 --> 01:41:59,199
whole thing with Harry in the prison, which we'll get

2299
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:01,960
to was all at later on. Okay, but yeah, he

2300
01:42:02,039 --> 01:42:04,319
goes to the funeral. It's all sad, and then we

2301
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,960
we realize he quits being Spider Man and the months

2302
01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:08,359
go by.

2303
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:10,399
Speaker 3: There's another note from Figy where he's like does it

2304
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:11,840
have to be a year? Like why does a year

2305
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:12,399
have to go by?

2306
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 2: I think they switched it to five months?

2307
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 3: Okay, yeahs to him, all right.

2308
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:21,159
Speaker 1: Yes, and then and then what you would have gotten

2309
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,319
was the payoff for all the dad and parent shit

2310
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,279
where you found out that Richard Parker was alive the

2311
01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:34,079
whole time. It's Peter. Sorry, yeah, not my father. I

2312
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,520
am your father, Peter. And they used this to sell

2313
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,279
the Blu Ray. They put this in the commercial like

2314
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:41,680
find the deleted scene with Peter Parker's dad, and it

2315
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:47,840
turns out he's been alive the entire time. Does he

2316
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:49,840
know he's Spider Man? I guess he assumes he's Spider

2317
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,359
Man because he has spider I mean.

2318
01:42:51,279 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 3: He created the spiders and everything. It's only compatible with Peter.

2319
01:42:55,039 --> 01:42:57,159
Speaker 1: And he made a promise to their mom that he

2320
01:42:57,159 --> 01:43:00,640
would only show up if he knew he really needed him.

2321
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,079
Speaker 3: It's pretty convenient that he could just like decide when

2322
01:43:05,159 --> 01:43:08,920
that is. Yeah, and he's just like, you gotta I decided.

2323
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,479
It was five months after your girlfriend died.

2324
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 2: And he's got like the big fake beard and stuff.

2325
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:16,920
I guess, I guess he's.

2326
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:21,199
Speaker 1: Now no longer being searched for maybe I don't know,

2327
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:24,439
but he's like, you gotta be Spider Man again or something.

2328
01:43:25,359 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 3: It was very stupid, and he says the line.

2329
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,159
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he does say the line. But like, as

2330
01:43:31,319 --> 01:43:34,680
dumb as this is on a script level, this should

2331
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:35,319
have never been done.

2332
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Yes.

2333
01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:38,520
Speaker 1: No, but if you're gonna have all this dad shit

2334
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,359
and dad shit, like, at least give us the payoff

2335
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:43,000
because it feels like you wasted.

2336
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,159
Speaker 3: Our time now it does. But the scene is horrible.

2337
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,199
It is. It's bad sealed again. He's acting as hard.

2338
01:43:49,319 --> 01:43:51,079
He's like, your dad, dad, what are you doing here?

2339
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:52,439
And he's like, I'm a live son.

2340
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: You just hate Campbell Scott don't you.

2341
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you I won't. The last two

2342
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:02,079
movies I saw with him where Rastic World Dominion and

2343
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:05,079
having rewatched this well and ither one does he really

2344
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:05,319
give it?

2345
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: I told Gil to listen to the Shining Audio book

2346
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,720
so you can hear Campbell Scott's black voice.

2347
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,279
Speaker 2: It's great, it's great, it's great.

2348
01:44:12,119 --> 01:44:16,119
Speaker 1: Uh. He's an okay actor. I loved his father, George C. Scott, Yes,

2349
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:17,239
brilliant actor.

2350
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 3: Yes.

2351
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. And George Scott was always yelling. I mean he

2352
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,079
was an alcoholic. To be fair, maybe that should Campbell

2353
01:44:23,079 --> 01:44:25,720
Scott start becoming a severe alcoholic.

2354
01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:29,119
Speaker 3: And that I blame this on the direction. I think

2355
01:44:29,159 --> 01:44:31,680
they probably told him to be subdued. But it just

2356
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,720
it doesn't mean we how do we engage with this character.

2357
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,239
He's giving us nothing. All we have for him is animosity. Yeah,

2358
01:44:39,279 --> 01:44:42,439
he's bad at planning a runaway from an evil corporation.

2359
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,039
He abandoned his son, and it doesn't seem like yeah,

2360
01:44:46,079 --> 01:44:47,800
So this scene just I think it was the right

2361
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,000
call to remove it, because yes, it gets sort of

2362
01:44:50,039 --> 01:44:51,640
the payoff, but by this point people are like, I

2363
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:52,600
want to get out of a feeder.

2364
01:44:54,279 --> 01:44:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they cut that and said he's just sad

2365
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:57,000
and sad.

2366
01:44:57,079 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 3: And then but just to make it explicit, though, the

2367
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,800
dad's says to him, with great power comes great responsibility,

2368
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,000
and that's what gets him to be Spider Man again.

2369
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,159
I gues yeah, and instead to have May give him

2370
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:08,840
kind of a speech.

2371
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just like, yeah, I'm packing up Ben's stuff.

2372
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:13,600
He's like, to get right of it. She's like, no,

2373
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,760
but it helps me. The heavier the boxes, the lighter

2374
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:20,319
I am. Basically she's saying like, hey, maybe, uh, stop

2375
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:23,520
being a cry baby, get over your dead girlfriend.

2376
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 3: That's kind of what she's saying. You remember what your

2377
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,039
uncle always used to say, when you have power, there's

2378
01:45:29,159 --> 01:45:33,159
like a responsibility thing, and it's like moral, that's what's

2379
01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:34,079
at steak here, Peter.

2380
01:45:34,359 --> 01:45:36,079
Speaker 1: She really they should have did something like that where

2381
01:45:36,119 --> 01:45:40,760
it's like it's like a Susan's mom not remembering Jerry

2382
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:41,520
star Trek.

2383
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:45,119
Speaker 2: Quote something about away and I like, who can remember?

2384
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,520
Speaker 3: You're You're right, May I do have a power responsibility thing.

2385
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,800
I gotta go. Uh.

2386
01:45:56,279 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 1: She I think it's almost implied that she knows Peter's

2387
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:07,359
Spider Many shame about that Spider guy, but yeah, he

2388
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,399
hears Uh, we get to see uh fucking the Green

2389
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,840
Goblin meet with Gustav Fring.

2390
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 3: Was his name? No, that's that's that's the character that's

2391
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:22,199
breaking bad Fring. I think his name was similar, though,

2392
01:46:23,079 --> 01:46:25,880
I mean, I know he goes by the gentleman.

2393
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:32,279
Speaker 1: Hold on, Oh, Gustave Fears. Fears go Gustave Fears who.

2394
01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:34,960
We still have no idea who he is or what

2395
01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:37,239
his connection is. Is he really in charge of oscoorg?

2396
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:41,159
Speaker 3: They see, you can't just have a mystery just be like,

2397
01:46:41,199 --> 01:46:45,680
there's a guy. Okay, aren't you wanting who is this guy? Okay? Yeah?

2398
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,039
Who is he? That? That's not enough of a mystery.

2399
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:51,000
It's the equivalent of the end of was it Halloween

2400
01:46:51,319 --> 01:46:53,760
four or five? Where you just see a guy walking

2401
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,880
with like black boots five but he breaks mount of jail. Yeah, okay,

2402
01:46:58,039 --> 01:47:00,199
it's it's it's a it's a guy. It's like, that's

2403
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:01,800
enough of a mystery to be like, I gotta see

2404
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,479
the next one, yeh, to see who this guy is.

2405
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 1: And then they fumbled it. Both versions of that movie

2406
01:47:06,079 --> 01:47:06,479
fumbled it.

2407
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 3: I mean I would say it was already fumbled in

2408
01:47:09,079 --> 01:47:12,600
Halloween five. Yeah, and someone tried really hard to unfumble it,

2409
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:13,520
but there was.

2410
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,399
Speaker 1: Tarantino said he tried to write a sequel. He's like,

2411
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:16,880
I couldn't figure out who the fuck that guy is

2412
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,000
and they didn't know. I asked him who he was

2413
01:47:19,079 --> 01:47:20,000
and they went, oh, we don't know.

2414
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:23,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just threw that in them. Yeah.

2415
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:26,159
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you should have just said like that

2416
01:47:26,319 --> 01:47:27,720
was Norman in the first one.

2417
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would.

2418
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: It have made a little bit more sense. But then

2419
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,239
because we got to build up to the Sinister six

2420
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:38,560
spinoff movie for some reason, he's just like, yeah, now

2421
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:43,239
that your goblin stuff is under control, it comes and goes, Yeah,

2422
01:47:43,319 --> 01:47:45,960
we're gonna we're gonna be bad guys and we're gonna

2423
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:47,920
stop Spider Man to do bad guy things. He's like,

2424
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,960
I want to team how many people? Let's keep it small.

2425
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,520
They're not saying six yet. It's like, who's our first candidate?

2426
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,079
And he should be like, I don't know, the lizard.

2427
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:59,359
We can make him the lizard again. Apparently he doesn't count.

2428
01:47:59,720 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

2429
01:48:00,039 --> 01:48:03,119
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, there's this crazy rushing guy. We can

2430
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:06,800
give him a motorized rhino suit and he will just

2431
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:08,399
walk around shooting things.

2432
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:09,159
Speaker 2: That was their plan.

2433
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really know what is the motivation here? Like,

2434
01:48:13,039 --> 01:48:16,800
the whole thing for Harry was that he wanted Peter's blood. Okay,

2435
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,319
I guess now he wants revenge?

2436
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:19,079
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?

2437
01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:21,520
Speaker 3: He wants to put together a whole team of super

2438
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,439
villains to get revenge on Spider Man.

2439
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,520
Speaker 1: It's literally just because they had a movie lined up.

2440
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,319
Speaker 3: I then, what's the gentleman's role in all this? Why

2441
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:29,680
is he so jazzed about a Sinister six?

2442
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. They should have been smite actually, that

2443
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:32,880
would have.

2444
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,039
Speaker 3: Made more sense. Yeah, and they want to hold back

2445
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:39,359
on saying Sinister six, similar to in the MCU where

2446
01:48:39,399 --> 01:48:43,039
they held off on saying Avengers assembled up until endgame

2447
01:48:43,399 --> 01:48:45,880
and they earned that to an extent. But here it's like,

2448
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,840
are they expecting audiences to be like sinister kame on

2449
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:51,439
say it? You didn't come anywhere close to her?

2450
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:57,319
Speaker 1: No, And then Gustave goes into the bad Guy factory

2451
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,760
and pulls out. So I think the original version I

2452
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,359
think just the Rhino came back with armor. I don't

2453
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:05,840
know if it was tied to Oscorp, but they said

2454
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,760
apparently people were confused since they cut out the fighting

2455
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,760
scene with Harry people were like, well, what happened to Harry.

2456
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,600
They're like, oh, we should probably should probably reveal what

2457
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:17,520
happened to Harry in the final cut of this film.

2458
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:19,439
They're like, oh, we can get him in for reshoot.

2459
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:21,479
We don't have the makeup, so let's have a line

2460
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,720
saying it comes and goes. It's like, oh cool, So

2461
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:27,640
I think maybe the original ending Paul Giamati was just unrelated. Okay,

2462
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:29,560
he just came back for revenge, but now it's like

2463
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:34,000
he's part of this team or something stupid. And then

2464
01:49:34,079 --> 01:49:37,000
the little kid who's an idiot walks down in the

2465
01:49:37,039 --> 01:49:40,079
Spider Man outfit to stop him, and the Rhinos like, well,

2466
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:42,159
I'm gonna go murder this child by the way, he's

2467
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:44,359
talking with all the armor up, and I'm like, he's distracted.

2468
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:48,359
Snipe them, snipe them, snipe them. And then this.

2469
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,359
Speaker 2: Finally gets the real Spider Man to come back.

2470
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,039
Speaker 3: I'll take it from me a kid, yeah, and then

2471
01:49:55,079 --> 01:49:55,960
it ends with the.

2472
01:49:56,279 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 1: Shot they showed and all the trailers of him fighting

2473
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,039
the I know, and then it.

2474
01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 3: Just cuts yeah but bu bu bu um.

2475
01:50:11,159 --> 01:50:15,359
Speaker 1: And then the credits play over blueprints and technical specs

2476
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:16,760
for other bad guys.

2477
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,039
Speaker 2: We see the Vulture again.

2478
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 1: I think we see Craven Spear and everything, all stuff

2479
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,159
that we well, we technically would see in other movies,

2480
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:27,159
but not the movies that they were intended.

2481
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Apparently after this movie it performed again. It performed

2482
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,279
well for a movie, but not for a Spider Man movie.

2483
01:50:34,399 --> 01:50:36,119
It was worse. It performed worse than the first one.

2484
01:50:36,119 --> 01:50:38,119
So I was heading in the wrong direction, and Amy

2485
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:40,439
Pascal was trying to the producer. She was trying to

2486
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:44,000
correct that by saying, Okay, let's delay Amazing Spider Man three.

2487
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,000
Let's pull up Sinister six. I had the plan was

2488
01:50:47,079 --> 01:50:49,239
to have Sinister six come out two years after this

2489
01:50:49,359 --> 01:50:51,760
in twenty sixteen, and then two years later is going

2490
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,119
to be Amazing Spider Man three.

2491
01:50:53,359 --> 01:50:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2492
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 3: But then I think part of what happened is that

2493
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,399
in the Sony League it came out that she and

2494
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,720
Kevin Feigy had that conversation yeah about bringing Spider Man

2495
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,239
into the MCU. When fans heard about it, they were like,

2496
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,239
we could have had that movie. Uh, And they were like,

2497
01:51:07,279 --> 01:51:09,359
all right, let's uh, let's reconsider.

2498
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:10,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2499
01:51:10,119 --> 01:51:13,520
Speaker 3: So then just two years later, Spider Man shows up

2500
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,199
in Captain America's Civil War yep. Which it's so crazy

2501
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,720
because these these, uh, the Andrew Garfield movies to me

2502
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,720
feel like a different era. It feels like pre MCU.

2503
01:51:22,119 --> 01:51:24,520
But you forget that the beginning, like you said, the

2504
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:27,119
first Amazing Spider Man was the year the Avengers came out,

2505
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:28,800
to the MCU was in full swing.

2506
01:51:29,079 --> 01:51:31,560
Speaker 1: Yep. It's crazy, And there was still a little wiggle

2507
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,079
room after that first one where you could have probably worked.

2508
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 3: It in, maybe saying to try and combine Amazing Spider

2509
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:38,720
Man into the MCU.

2510
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 1: Would have been a little clunky, but you could have

2511
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:40,840
done it.

2512
01:51:41,039 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 3: And they, you know, Marvel was smart with with casting

2513
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,640
Peter Parker, where they're like, let's cast someone high school

2514
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:49,039
aged so we can actually squeeze like six or seven

2515
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,960
movies out of him. And the DCU is like you,

2516
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,439
you bring it up so often, but it's so funny

2517
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:55,960
that they were let's bring in a seventy year old

2518
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,039
Michael Keaton to be our Batman.

2519
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so terrible. I think at the time when you

2520
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,479
saw this in theaters, the post credit sequence was a

2521
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,159
scene from X Men Days of Future Past, Yeah.

2522
01:52:09,039 --> 01:52:11,159
Speaker 3: Which I'm sure confused general audiences.

2523
01:52:11,399 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a hype up that movie because

2524
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:15,600
it came out the same year, and that was then

2525
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:19,279
being like, we'll show Marvel we can make our own movies.

2526
01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:22,199
Speaker 2: It's like, well, X Men maybe, but not for long.

2527
01:52:22,359 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, X Men, that's not even affiliated with them, because

2528
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,279
now Tony X Men is fine. Yea, they're just trying

2529
01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:30,279
to confuse everybody. Yeah, so that was dumb.

2530
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: This movie's got worse. It's it's more fun to watch

2531
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:37,079
than the previous one. Yeah, but it's still really bad.

2532
01:52:37,159 --> 01:52:39,479
These are both really really bad. If you would like

2533
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,600
to hear me talk more, I forgot to mention it

2534
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:45,560
in this one. I did commentary tracks for both when

2535
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,359
we were preparing for No Way Home mea Movie Dumpster.

2536
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:52,119
We have commentary tracks available for both of these films.

2537
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:54,640
But I'm glad I finally went back and revisited them.

2538
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and for me to bring it all back,

2539
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,720
like they brought back that little nerd kid from the

2540
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:01,279
start of the year. Now it's bring this back. So

2541
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:05,079
for me, I would generally prefer to rewatch this movie

2542
01:53:05,279 --> 01:53:07,800
to Spider Man three, yeah, because they're both a mess.

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This one's a more fun mess. And now I'm remembering

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Bully Maguire though. Yeah, No.

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Speaker 1: Three.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Okay, So it depends on my mood because to me,

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01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,439
the tie breaker is Gwen Stacy's death. That hits hard

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for me every time. And that's the measure of a

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movie is how much can it make you feel something.

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01:53:24,319 --> 01:53:26,319
There's another level too of what kind of impact doesn't

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01:53:26,359 --> 01:53:28,439
leave on you? But Spider Man three and Amazing Spider

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01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:31,000
Man two are not leaving me with some like deep

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01:53:31,079 --> 01:53:33,279
complex themes and I'm contemplating years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're both not great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why I even bother to put one over these?

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Speaker 1: I just don't get the people who want to like

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01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,000
shit on the Tom hall I thin, it's fine if

2558
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:41,680
you don't like the Tom Hollins, like I get it,

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01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,079
but to be like, yep, they had it with Andrew Garver, like, no,

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they didn't.

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Speaker 3: This is bad, really bad. He's a good actor, but

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they did not give him.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad Jamie Fox got to come back

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and not be blue, which I remember is announcement post

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01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:57,279
is like and this time I won't be blue.

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Speaker 3: That was the most they marketed that movie such a

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01:54:00,399 --> 01:54:03,079
bizarre way. We're like the first casting announcement was like,

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01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:06,239
Jamie Fox is Electro and everyone was like everyone hated

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01:54:06,279 --> 01:54:08,720
to see the same Electro from the pre Is this

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how you announced like a multiverse crossover?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 3: But you know what, it was kind of in retrospect

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01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:18,479
brilliant because they basically said without saying, Toby Maguire Andrew

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01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:20,399
Garfield are obviously going to be in this movie. It

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01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:22,720
was like the worst enough doubt where I was like,

2576
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I gotta find out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:25,359
Speaker 3: So it was enough to get me into the I

2579
01:54:25,399 --> 01:54:27,199
mean I would have gone anyway, enough to get people

2580
01:54:27,399 --> 01:54:30,439
generally into the theater, but not so much that it

2581
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:33,199
spoils a surprise, like when Andrew Garfield showed up in

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No Way Home, Like my theater went crazy.

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01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's kind of brilliant in retrospect.

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01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I never want to revisit this universe ever again.

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01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good closing the book on.

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01:54:43,039 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're good, We're good. Me don need we don't

2588
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,399
need it. Uh, but yeah, that is it from us.

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01:54:47,439 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 1: I hope everyone's enjoying the New Spider Man. I hope

2590
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,600
it's doing well, but you know it's probably getting like

2591
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,840
just hammered by Supergirl, which I'm sure went all strong

2592
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,640
all month of July. I'm super I'm sure with like

2593
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,239
Super Girls, like the Next Obsession, people were just seeing

2594
01:55:02,319 --> 01:55:05,319
it over and over and over and over again. Any

2595
01:55:05,359 --> 01:55:06,520
other predictions we want to.

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01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:13,159
Speaker 3: Make James Gunn is leaving the DCU and he's gonna

2597
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:16,920
swap places, Kevin Figs taking over the DCU. Gun's gonna

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take the MCU.

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01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:21,399
Speaker 1: And uh Gil by the end of July. That means

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01:55:22,319 --> 01:55:25,479
we've got Boys Month on the way, Boys Month, Boys

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01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,600
Month four, We got poisone four coming up. Oh, this

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is gonna be a great, huge hit every year. I'm

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01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:34,079
so excited for Boys Month four.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: Uh so stay tuned for that. Gil, do you know

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01:55:39,439 --> 01:55:41,079
what you have coming out in August? If you do,

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01:55:41,239 --> 01:55:42,560
this would be a good time to promote it.

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01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 3: Uh okay one take vice YouTube dot com Slash one

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01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:50,960
take Vice. I'll have my MCU timeline annual update. I'm

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aiming for August. Hopefully I can. I can make it happen.

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01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,680
I'll update it for everything in the MCU up to

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01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,479
and including Spider Man Brand New Day. Okay, and then

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over on YouTube dot com slash at Gil explains every

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01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:05,960
week I'm explaining a different horror movie. So if you're

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01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,239
more in to the review commentary analysis, go over to

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that channel.

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Speaker 1: Nice check all that out. Become a Patreon supporter again.

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We got those commentary tracks.

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Speaker 2: You can buy him without pledging, although you.

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01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 3: Should knowledge amazing Spider Man to talk. Listen to the

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commentary track now.

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Speaker 1: Uh and if you missed our first episode, go back

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01:56:26,319 --> 01:56:27,920
if you're new here and watch it to the end.

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We reviewed all the Spider Man's well not all the

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01:56:31,159 --> 01:56:33,840
Tom Holland ones, but you know we did No Way

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Home that counts.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, check out all of that, like, share, subscribe,

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I'll see you see you guys next time.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully for Boys month, Boys month.

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Speaker 2: Bye perfect. Remember to like, comment, and subscribe.

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