Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Tony from Hack the Movies here and today
we're talking about the worst Spider Man movie ever made.
Shut up, yes, it is on today on today on
Hack the Movies. Hello, Gil Hello.
Speaker 2: Is that a good attention grabbing opening?
Speaker 3: It is good, Like if you're gonna crap on another movie,
it gets the worst one and you can't even get
your own starting, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's how I also started the Temple of
Doom episode. I said it was the best one. Shut up,
yes it is. H Yes, amazing Spider Man two. I
think this is airing probably the same day Brand New
Day comes out. This is exciting, which everyone keeps saying
is either going to be the best or the worst
Spider Man ever. A lot of Twitter is like anti
MCU Spider Man, which is weird because it's like one
of the only good things going in the MCU post
In the game.
Speaker 3: What I always hear is that he's always paired up
with another hero, Stark's in there. Strange, Like that's true, yeah, ish,
but it doesn't mean it's a bad movie.
Speaker 1: But that's like I think I mentioned I might have
mentioned with you, but definitely in the Spider Noir, I
think I mentioned it where like the first solo issue
of Spider Man, not first appearance. The first solo issue
is with the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, yeah, that's kind of like his thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I decided, you know what, let's go back and watch
the actual worst Spider Man movie. Like you look, Spider
Man three is out there, obviously, but it's not as
bad as this.
Speaker 2: This is still one of the worst superhero things I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel.
Speaker 3: About it my expression there, you're like, oh, no, which
way is this gonna go?
Speaker 2: There was some pushback in the previous episode.
Speaker 1: You thought I was going a little too hard on
Amazing Spider Man one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's you can recognize the positive
elements in something and still acknowledge that it's mostly bad.
Okay now, But the way I look at this is
that the first Amazing Spider Man commits one of the
worst possible cinema sins. It's it's boring, and it's it's planned.
I think this movie is less competently made. It is
a mess. But if I have to go back and
revisit them, I have a lot more fun revisiting this
one because it is a mess. It's but I'll also
say I think they knew what they had in their hands.
So before the movie came out thanks to the Sony Leeks.
Yes we know what Amy Pascal thought about it, and
she wrote in an email, uneven, schizotne weird, disjointed, No
one single great set piece because action is just big
and not storytelling, not funny. If I'm really honest, wrong
director and wrong casting, we will almost get away with
it and we can never go back. But I think
they recognize that, and then we need to pull out
all the stops to try and save this movie. And
I remember years ago and I got into an argument
with my friend because I was a big movie guy.
He's a big music guy, and he told me movies
are nothing without the music. He's like, you like the
Brendan Fraser Mummy, It's just because of the music. And
I thought, held, yeah, so I thought he was crazy,
But then this movie finally made me realize you can't
save a movie with music. But like, they pulled out
all the stuffs, this soundtrack is insane.
Speaker 2: They got the Magnificent six.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. Yeah, they had they had to come
up with a name for like they basically brought the
Avengers of musicians together to try and rescue this movie.
And like the editing and they worked overtime. We're gonna
cut this out, stick this together, and it comes together
in this in this insane thing that I find way
more entertaining than Amazing Spider Man. And then I would
say it's kind of tied in some ways with Spider
Man three, but there's a tiebreaker in the movie which
we'll get too later.
Speaker 1: Okay, we should also talk about like where Spider Man
was at this point.
Speaker 2: At this point, MCU was on fire. It's doing great.
Speaker 1: Everyone's I think a year after this is Avengers two,
and everyone's like, man, I really wish Spider Man was
with the Avengers. That would be nice, And said Sony
was like, how about this, how about a whole Spider universe.
We're gonna do a Venom movie, a Sinister Six movie.
They had a writer and everything for the Sinister Six movie,
and this is one of those. I mean, the MCU
did have an issue where like their movies were kind
of just setting up other movies at.
Speaker 2: That point, like Avengers too. There's so much of it.
Speaker 1: It's like we gotta set up Civil War. We gotta
set up Ragnarok and all that other.
Speaker 3: Dame who is Wanda? She has powers that can do
magic stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, setting up everything.
Speaker 1: Uh. But yeah, this movie was supposed to like be
spun off into multiple projects and ant May. But wasn't
it like what an aunt May prequel?
Speaker 3: Was that what it was supposed to they were talking
about that? Yeah, what the fuck would that be? I mean,
they were talking about a Madam Web movie. And to
this day I'll be like, did you know they were
talking about making a Madame Web movie? And then I'm
like they actually made it? I forgot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was like a Silver Sable movie
they wanted to make.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was me Black Cat and Silver
Sable teaming up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they just assumed that Spider Man would do
good no matter what. And look, Spider Man's probably gonna
do good no no matter what. I say this In
two days from now, it'll be like Spiderman Brandon New
Day is the worst performing movie ever. But like they
need to do really, really well or else you won't
get more.
Speaker 3: And you definitely don't want the next one to make
less money than the previous one. And that's yes. Spider
Man two I think did that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean less money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like think about him, like they were all
making more and more money, Like Spider Man three made
so much money.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's embarrassing to go down from that. Yes, that
would be like making like three Batman movies. In the
last two of both crack a billion dollars and then
you make a Batman movie with Superman in it and
it doesn't make a billion dollars. That would be very embarrassing.
Speaker 3: If you went back to thirty years and told like
child me that they're gonna make a Batman versus Superman
movie and I'll but there's no way they can screw
that up too. Oh that's how you do it.
Speaker 1: Well, how about a Spider Man movie where he's fighting
three villains?
Speaker 2: Well, they tried it, toy.
Speaker 1: That's the funny thing. They did not learn the lesson
from Spider Man three.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: And look, you could have.
Speaker 1: Multiple villains, and I think Homecoming did it a good
way where it was like Vulture is the main villain,
there will be others, the Tinker, there's a scorpion, but
he's not really in the Scorpion outfit. There's there's two
shockers in it, Like there were multiple villains, but they
made it clear that Vulture was the main one, probably
with Spider Man three, and this one is like they
don't know who they want the main villain to be.
Speaker 3: And they try to make each one somehow personally tied
to the hero. Yeah, it works better where it's like, Okay,
there's the one main guy that's got this personal history
with him, and then as a superhero you've got to
deal with villains all the time. Yeah, you've got some
of the throwaway ones. Yeah, this is not that.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's it's a total mess.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they for some reason, they really thought they
could build a whole franchise from this, and of course
this one failing is when they finally went to Marvel
and they're like, okay, we'll share Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Supposedly, Kevin Feigey went to Amy Pascal and suggested. The
analogy he apparently used was, you know how they brought
in Christopher Nolan to take over the Batman franchise, and
you really righted the ship. That's kind of like us,
we're Christopher Nolan. And then she supposedly threw a sandwich
at him. Yeah, and then eventually, yeah, she came back
and she was like, so, what was that you said
about that Christopher Nolan. Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they finally did that. But then of course Sony
was like, all right, well we're sharing Spider Man. It's like, oh,
but all those other characters, we could do whatever we
want with them. We don't need Marvel. And then was
it three Venom movies Madam Webb, craven Ammorvius. They showed
that they can't actually do it that well. Uh and yeah,
all the problems started here. They just got overly ambitious,
But yeah, you're right. The music, Mark Webb returns as
director music Hans Zimmer, with Farrell Williams, Johnny mar Mike Einzigger,
Chunk XL, Steve Mazarro and Andrew Was. I don't even
know half those people. I know Pharrell and Junkie Xcel.
I don't know anyone else, but.
Speaker 3: Mark Webb apparently dubbed them the Magnificent Six in reference to.
Speaker 1: The Sanisor Six. Yes, and they got like all star
writers for this. Well, one was Jeff Pinker. We looked
up what he did and I've already forgotten the story
was by James Vanderbilt and the next three guys. But yeah,
so Jeff Pinker. And then he teamed up with Alex Kurtzman.
Speaker 3: And Robert or Magnificent three.
Speaker 1: Yes, Alex Kurtzman, who's killed Star Trek forever I think is.
Speaker 3: Let me get my hands in it, spider Man. It's
a nice Spider Man you've got there.
Speaker 1: And then Robert Dorsey, who did nothing wrong. We don't
speak ill of the dead here, especially especially if we
if they die while we're filming a move. We're filming
a movie review saying that they weren't the best writer.
We don't speak ill of the dead.
Speaker 3: That wasn't the original plan, but I was like, Tony,
you can't say all that crazy stuff you've got written there.
Speaker 1: I would never say anything bad about Robert Orsey in
the middle of a Mission Impossible three review. And then
after the review was done, I pull out my phone
and realize he died and have to awkwardly put an
insert there. I would never do that, Gil, He's great
and I loved it.
Speaker 2: That isn't a real thing that happened.
Speaker 3: When you make eye contact with me and yellow like
that was Jane's popping out of your forehead, I believe everywhere.
Speaker 1: But Dorsie and Kurtzman, you know, Star Trek two thousand
and nine, Okay, Transformers too, and all that they eventually made,
like some of the biggest shlock I think they were
involved with, like the Mummy reboot, the twenty seventeen one.
Speaker 2: I think one of.
Speaker 1: Them was involved with the Dark Universe, and it never
got off the ground. I don't know why Hollywood went
so in on these guys.
Speaker 3: I know, well, I mean, the thing that gives me
hope in my life is that I think it was
the guys who wrote Morbius. They were brought back for
Madam Webb. And if you can come back from that
job and get another offer, the bar is not as
high as well.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the when it's something like that,
a lot of it's just like, well, how much writing
did they actually do? How much ghost writings happening behind
the scenes.
Speaker 3: They're watching this right now and they're like, yeah, let's
go with that, Yeah write this, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kurtzman and RSI, who were making some of the
worst franchise or they would always like do something good
and then completely ruin it, like Transformers. One is fine,
but two is the man their heroes.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're like, you know what, we're too dependent on
IP and franchises, so let's get our foot in the
door by making a good one and then tank it,
so he would be forced to come up with the
original ideas well.
Speaker 1: Look, Kurtzman, he did his best on Star Trek, and
right now there are no new Star Treks in development
for the first times.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have it here, Jeff Pinker.
Speaker 1: He would end up going on to make great films
like The Fifth Wave, The Dark Tower, Jumanji two, okay,
Jumanji three, and he will be writing Jumanji four.
Speaker 3: People like, did you mind your movies? I haven't. I
haven't seen any of them.
Speaker 1: But well, first one obviously, obviously Ron Williams. Yeah, but yeah,
and I haven't watched the new ones.
Speaker 2: When the new one comes out, maybe i'll do all
What is the best one?
Speaker 3: We're so cool, you don't even bother to see him.
Everyone's seen him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't even care for Jumanji anyway. Let's talk
about Spider Man five. I was not excited for this movie,
uh because after amazing Spider Man, which in the previous review,
I said, I was lukewarm in the beginning. The more
I thought about it, the more I realized it was bad.
And then knowing how desperate Sony was to kind of
like catch up with the Shared Universe, which we should
mention X Men was also doing this. They're like, well,
we have Fantastic Foxes, like we have Fantastic Four and
X Men. We'll do a shared universe and fant Force.
They had too many production issues or like never mind, it's.
Speaker 2: Its own thing. Cut out any mute and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, we're gonna do the Gambit movie
and all this stuff, and they did that.
Speaker 2: Group FO together and then none of that happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they Everyone wanted their own shared
universe at this point.
Speaker 3: Because of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, money, But it's like anyway, I was not
excited going in for this. I got fucking hammered before
I went to see this movie. I got real drunk.
Did not help the viewing at all, did not help
the viewing. But there was one thing I just wanted
to see. I wanted to see Paul Giamati as the Rhino.
I just I saw this behind the scenes photos of
him wearing all the styrofoam, Like that's hilarious, but like
I wanted it to be Private Parts Paul Giamati, Like,
I don't know why. In my head, I just wanted
him to be with Spider Man, like you goddamn motherfucker
Spider Man, you're the anti Christ Spider Man. If you
watch Private Parts, that would Stern movie.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Oh no, matter what your feelings are on Stern, Paul
Giamatti is fantastic in it as pig Vomit, the executive
who hates him, and he just is screaming NonStop and house.
Speaker 3: Sounds like that's the exact Paul Gimanni. We got here,
except with a Russian accident.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no cursing either. But Paul Giamatti's great. So
him is the rhino. I'm like, that's really funny. I'm like,
I kind of want to see that. I was locked down.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was like I went into this movie
with low expectations, and I remember when he came on screen,
I was like, oh my god, this movie's gonna be horrible.
And that was right after like the cold open with
his parents again, and I'm like, oh my god, this
movie's I'm.
Speaker 2: Glad you mentioned that being the opening.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into this facet to it. It opens
up with Richard Parker doing science on spiders. We make
sure to see the gears inside his watch because that's
like a visual thing that will show up at the
end of the movie. It's like poetry roy or whatever.
So he gets locked out of his lab like something's
going on. Alarms go off, and he gets out of there.
He takes a bunch of stuff and gets out of there,
and then he'd be learned that while Peter was playing
Hide and Seek in the beginning of the first one,
he was down there shooting av log yes about like
what he has done. He's like, they'll think I'm a
monster and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And hey everybody, So day's not going great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, then we see what we saw in the
previous movie, the thing being trashed. He packs up, Peter
gets him out of there. Then he's on the plane
with the sony Vivo. Was it five O or vivo?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 3: You got Reese e Fons for me to how to
pronounce that. The rest is on you.
Speaker 1: This is the thing. This sony was really pushing these
hard they kept putting all their products in their movies,
and I get it, but it got like real distracting
because like everyone has the same laptop, they all have
Sony phones. It's like, really, not one person has an
iPhone and twenty fourteen not one of them.
Speaker 3: It takes place in an alternate timeline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that the one joke what really
got me was when I saw this movie. There was
a trailer for the remake of Annie starring Jamie Fox
from Sony, and then I think during the Times Square fight,
Jamie Fox might be near like an Annie sign, like
reminding you again, Hey, Sony.
Speaker 3: We own think boy, I can't wait to see this.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he tells his wife that he's gonna leave everything.
He's gonna upload everything to rose Velt. It's the big mystery,
what is Rosevelt? She goes to the bathroom and then
Richard realizes that the co pilot his hands are all bloody.
He's like, hey, where where's the pilot? Turns out this
is an assassin. He's like, I don't know why you
guys thought you'd be able to get out of here,
you idiots. So, uh, they're fighting, and uh, Mary's injured
and Uh. He finishes uploading on his Sony fevo.
Speaker 3: Are we really gonna be able to upload this well
with the uploads he's available on with Sony.
Speaker 1: And during this fight scene, randomly, for no reason, the
dead pilot was already dead, just moves forward. If I
didn't know any better, Gil, I'd say that this was
part of an extended scene where Richard Parker goes in
the cockpit and knocks him over on accident. We watched
the deleted scenes for this, that is what happened. But
the way it's cut now, it's like, why did.
Speaker 3: He move on one of those muscle spasms?
Speaker 2: It so Yeah, the plane is shooting in the sky.
Speaker 1: They're all like flying around in zero gravity, and he like,
what does it depressurizes the cabin by shooting out the glass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they.
Speaker 1: Finish uploading the video and then they all die horrifically.
That's the beginning of the movie. When you go on Twitter,
people will share this next scene. We're about the scene.
They're like, what a great opening, classic opening. Tom Holland
doesn't have as much sauce as this opening or and.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's not the opening.
Speaker 1: The opening movie is like middle aged people murder each
other on a plane.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, and this is if you if you're disappointed
in the first movie and all the dumb parent stuff,
then it's very disappointing to start the movie on this setup. Yeah,
and there's's so much wrong with it. Like, okay, number one,
you're taking away from the he's just an ordinary kid
from Queens. He gets powers. Now we're saying there's all
this secret origin stuff, which you could do a version
of it story that works, But there's nothing inherently interesting
about this. Like if I said, like, you know, Peter's
parents were up to something super secret, what is it,
It's like, I probably something to do with spiders. It's like,
it's not that mysterious. And then on top of that,
so we've seen the story of like a kid who
was raised by someone who is in his biological parents. Yeah,
and there's like a yearning to meet his real quote
unquote real parents, and there's this theoretical, idealized version of them.
The thing is here we don't have that we've actually
met his parents and they seem honestly like jerks. Yeah.
What are Richard's last words to his sons? Like be good?
And he leaves. He never shows an ounce of emotion
or regret. His delivery is so flat on everything, So like,
I hate this guy.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: The full circumstances of what led to this moment of
his office getting ransacked and everything, but it sounds like
he figured out they were up to no good and
he wanted to expose them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He We hear it later on and like a vlog.
Speaker 3: He basically came up with no plan and how to
handle this. It was just like, well, let's go, what
about Peter. He'll be fine, Let's get out of here. Yeah,
Pete good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's again they're doing all the parent stuff and
as we learn from all the deleted material, this intro
and stuff was supposed to build up to something.
Speaker 2: At the end, and then it didn't. Yeah, and then
it did.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we cuts a Spider Man swinging and for
some reason, Twitter thinks this is the greatest swinging scene.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I think they love just that when it starts on
his back and you can see the fabric and it's
just shaking in the wind, Okay, flowing in the wind.
Speaker 1: Cool, So that's I mean the swinging never got as
good as the end of the First Spider Man the
Big Finale. I feel like that was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, swinging scene, but no, the swinging's like fine.
Speaker 1: I just don't know why they are like, yep, that
means this movie's perfect and way better. I'm like, no,
this isn't better than the Tom Hollin ones, just because
this one scene has good swinging.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Swinging around, and uh, we get to see Alexi Rhino.
Speaker 3: I found him so obnoxious.
Speaker 1: Rhino stealing truck or whatever, a truck full of stolen
plutonium from Oscorp. I don't know what they were doing
with it, but yeah, this was such a big letdown.
I'm like, man, I love Paul Giamati. What the fuck
is this?
Speaker 3: Why do you need I guess you need Paul Giamoni
because this is set up for a sinister six movie.
All these doings is shouting his head off the whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently he had fun doing it, which I guess
it's I'm.
Speaker 3: Sure he had a great time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I forgot to mention. I forgot to mention.
A lot of this film was shot in Rochester, New York,
where Kodak is from there's a there's a Kodak sponsorship
later in the film, like, oh that didn't last long.
Speaker 3: That was like the tail end of coode Ac not
they were saying, we have a Kodeac spot. They got excited,
get your film developed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was shot in Rochester, and all our good
friend at Rochester, like Carl, Kaylee Trucker, Andy, Vinnie Paulino,
they just let this happen. They didn't stop and they
could have stopped this at any time, and they just
let this movie happen. And we've all been cursed with
every I think I think the city of Rochester should apologize.
So what I'm gonna say, as I said, amazing Spider
Man who filmed in Rochester. And I know a few
people up here who did nothing to stop it, and
I'm seeing one of them now. Hello Kayley from Once
Over with Kaylee. Well, Hello, how are you today? Uh?
Not doing well? It comes to my attention that you
actually saw this film being made. I did. It's your
favorite movie, right, No, it's actually the worst Spider Man
movie ever made, and you saw it happen and you
did nothing to stop it.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 1: You didn't stop this? That is correct. That's how much
I love you. You saw Paul Giamati and you didn't tell
him this was a bad idea. I did not. I'm
very very sorry. Okay on behalf of you and the
people of Rochester. Can you apologize to the rest of
the normal people in the world who had to see
this movie for not stopping it. I'm deeply sorry that
this movie exists because of my city. Tax breaks are
a bitch. There we go, There we go. Rochester has
apologized for their participation in The Amazing Spider Man two.
Speaker 3: Do we accept the apology? So?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like that he knocks on the window for
the rhino and then the rhino rolls down the window.
Speaker 3: Wait, why it's such a tonal change from the first movie. Yeah,
because now we are in absolute cartoon mode, like he's
juggling plutonium. Yeah, and we keep.
Speaker 2: Exciting it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this just like I think, if you're gonna
make a bad movie, swing for the fences and go
over the top. So, like I said, you can be
a fun mess instead of just a boring mess.
Speaker 1: You know what happened in between the Dark Knight stuff ended,
and then I think Man of Steel just did whatever
and also had that gratty tone. And then we saw
how the Marvel was doing Marvel Cinematic Universe is doing.
They were like, we gotta make it more fun and lighthearted,
get rid of the edgy, angsty stuff. Make it more fun.
I think that's what they did. So, yeah, he's you're right,
he's struggling all the platonium. Then he saves Max played
by Jamie Fox, like kind of fresh off of Django Unchained,
and he's a nerd. I don't remember Electro's origins from
the comics. I don't remember him being a nerd. He's
Jim Carrey from Batman Forever, is really what he is.
It's like literally that yeah, but yeah, Spider Man saves
him and his blueprints and he's like, you're my eyes
and ears out here.
Speaker 3: And it's literally like cartoon character. He's holding like literal
blueprints like a bunch of party come over. It's also funny.
I don't remember if Andrew Garfield was like this in
the first movie, but here he'll slip into this weird
attempt at a New York accent and they get my
eyes and he is out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays up the New York stuff. A little
bit more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he won't for a while, and then I'll
slip into it here and there.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he did that. Yeah, uh but yeah,
then Max is like, I'm obsessed with Spider Man now.
Speaker 3: Yep, sure you need for a villain motivation.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing. I've read some Electro comics. I don't
remember him being like severely, like very autistic. And that's
kind of like a problem. Obviously not a problem, but
like the problem with this movie is like he's like
a little chew on the spectrum to the point where
I'm like, I kind of feel bad that Spider Man
has to fight him now, Like it's not fun to
see them fight.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, in those Sony weeks, we also got
a copy of Kevin Feigey's notes on a movie, and
one of them was especially the scene will get to
in a bit where Electro's talking to himself and pretending
Spider Man's in his house. He's like, oh, Spider Man,
you made me this cake. Oh you shouldn't have You're great.
He was like, do we need that scene? It kind
of makes him look literally insane. Yeah, and he's not
Electro yet, and it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's like a sociopath or psychopath or something.
It's like, oh no, he's like got really bad social
issues and I'm not really looking forward to Spider Man
figuring out how to blow him up at the end.
This is really.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we need to adamize this guy. It's that weird
thing of like sometimes the movie is a total cartoon
where a character talking to themselves wouldn't be that weird,
but it straddles the line where it just gets like
and you have at this. This is where the music
also immediately makes itself known, because in this car chase,
it keeps cutting between Spider Man's perspective, Electro and Paul Gimatti,
and the music will completely change. It'll be like metal
like man craziness for uh Rhino, and then it goes
back to electro and it's like that, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spider Man catches up and he gets all the
tubes and he just he just won't shut up. He
just doesn't. I liked when the truck hit him actually
because I'm like, oh, thank god, shut up. He gets
a call out from Gwen Stacy. Apparently this is all
happening on graduation.
Speaker 3: Day, yep. Crazy, Like I get if.
Speaker 1: He's at graduation, here's an emergency of leaves, but like,
why he didn't know that there was a truck with
plutonium yet he was just swinging around and it's like,
shouldn't you have been a graduation but.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's like, hey, you gotta get here, you
gotta get here.
Speaker 1: And then he turns over and he sees Ghost Dad. No,
not Bill Cosby from the movie Ghost Dad, but Dennis
Leary's ghost because remember he made that promise yep, to
keep went out of it, and then he didn't deliver
on that prom And.
Speaker 3: It's okay if you don't remember, because he's going to
stare disappointingly at Peter throughout the movie. We get a
flashback here.
Speaker 2: Again Dennis Larry Is.
Speaker 1: He probably thought, because he's still doing Ice Age movie,
He's like, I'll just do Ice Agent Spider Man forever.
And yeah, he just he just almost got comical how
much times he just kept standing.
Speaker 3: And I'll go beyond almost. I think it did. It's
just it's just too ridiculous to imagine the actor and
he's not just staring at him. He has to put
on a disappointed expression. He's not even he's just not
even moving. He's just making this like crooked smile. That
was another one of Figy's notes. He's like, do we
really need to see him? Why don't we do? Like
just he remembers it. There's a flashback in voiceover.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they got all these notes and then
didn't listen to any of them. Yeah, So Gwen Stacy
is a Valet Victorian. She's doing a speech. It's all
about death. It's all like, you know, we're all gonna
die one day.
Speaker 3: I'll probably die tomorrow, perhaps by a goblin and some
kind of flying mechanism. I don't know, maybe in a
clock tower.
Speaker 1: It should be a bridge, but they kind of did
that in a previous movie, so we got to change
it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, what the fuck is she talking about?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all about like life ending.
Speaker 2: I remember I was such an asshole.
Speaker 1: I like got on my phone and on my friend
next to me, like, hey, spoiler. He's like what I
saw a picture of the comic of her dead, and
I'm like, it's so she might as well have had
a sign saying I'm gonna die.
Speaker 3: I think even before the movie came out. I don't
remember if it got spoiled or if everyone just knew
it was gonna happen, but I remember going into the
movie knowing she's dying.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think maybe part of it was because we knew
Shale and Woodley had been cast as Mary Jane.
Speaker 1: Oh, which we totally forgot. Yeah, Shaley Woodley was Mary
Jane and completely removed. None of those deleted scenes have
ever surfaced.
Speaker 3: She wasn't completely removed.
Speaker 1: Well, you can get a glimpse of her in the background,
but yeah, they just completely removed Mary Jane from the film,
and they showed all the other deleted scenes.
Speaker 2: I don't know why hers never went back up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe they're so bad that these can never see
the light of day. But yeah, she's.
Speaker 1: Clearly I mean that is like I know now they're
Spider Gwen and stuff, but for years, the big thing
about Gwen Stacy was it was his first girlfriend who died,
and it's like, man, that was a rough thing for
Spider Man.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was just so odd.
Speaker 1: The thing is they're being so obvious. It actually would
have been clever if she didn't die, Yeah, because then
it's like, oh, you expect the whole time, but something
else happened, and okay, it's just kind of like, yeah,
you know pet cemetery. Yeah, okay, that remake wasn't good.
Speaker 3: I didn't see the remake.
Speaker 1: It was basically the same movie, but there was like
one kind of clever twist where they know you as
the audience member, are expecting that little boy to get
hit by the truck and they're like foreshadowing it, and
the twist is that it misses him and hits the
girl instead.
Speaker 2: Like that's clever. Nothing else in the movie's skip it.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible movie, but that's an example of like,
we know you're thinking this is happening, we're gonna do
this instead, but instead they don't do that. They're like,
we know you think this is happening, and you're.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Well, Sony was in a precarious position at
the time. They're like, this is not the time for
like subverting expectations or taking risks. I mean what they
did didn't really work out that well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Spiderman dodges nineties bullet time. I could
have believe he's shooting the bullets and it almost has
the rings from the Matrix. They didn't go as hardcore,
but yeah, then he you know, webs up the rhino
and takes his pants off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he has rhino underwear.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't catch that. That's good.
Speaker 1: I think he does. But it's like, oh wow, what
a wacky opening. At graduation, they say Peter Parker and
stan Lee shows up.
Speaker 3: I know that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Peter gets his degree and then Aunt May congratulates
him and they talk about how sad it is that
Ben isn't there, and I go, yeah, I remember this
part from the first movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then they also say it's sad that your
parents aren't here either.
Speaker 3: Well, Peter says, you know, and my folks yeah, and
then I May kind of like yeah, yeah, and then yeah,
I know.
Speaker 1: She reveals something she knows later on, but it feels
like she knows a lot more that she ends up
knowing later on, Like when she does reveal it, yeah,
and I'm like, oh, that's what you've been hiding from him, Like, oh,
I thought you were knowing what the deleted ending was.
I'm like I thought you had more information or something,
especially how angry she gets later on about Richard.
Speaker 3: Well, it means that she so I guess we'll find
out later that she was fed a BS story that
Richard was a spy that was trying to steal all
the data and to a foreign government or whatever. He
was just in it for the money. He betrayed his
friend Norman Osbourne, and the way that she despises him,
it makes it seem like she bought that story, yeah,
which is like, look at Norman Osbourne. Yeah, he's clearly
the villain in this story.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Peter is talking to Gwen and then he
sees the ghost Dad behind Quinn Stacy's creepy children of
the Corn family, Like.
Speaker 2: They're all blonde. There's a lot of bloods join us.
So he feels guilty.
Speaker 1: And then that night he's like crying outside the restaurant
and Gwen like goes up to him and he's just like,
I can't do it. I'm too sad about the promise
I broke, and he goes, I break up with you.
Speaker 3: I like all the stuff between them when it's not
in superhero mode. I buy it, like they sell it
to me that he is feeling conflicted knowing that she's
going to die. It also means like he's not wrong
and feeling this way. And I believe that a lot
more in this movie than I did in the Sam
Reaimi movies. Like Peter Parker was always conflicted about being
with MJ. I remember back then feeling like just be
with her. Yeah, in this one, I'm genuinely like, you
probably shouldn't be with her. You will put her in danger.
So I actually think these scenes work for.
Speaker 2: Me, I guess, but yeah, they're chemistry now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me their chemistry is too good?
Speaker 1: Two people on so they were dating in real life
and not so much here. But when they start talking
to each other again.
Speaker 3: Like don't do that cute thing with your nose, that's cheating.
Speaker 1: I feel like they just let the cameras roll and
let them say whatever. It's like they're too Like, it's uncomfortable.
The chemistry. It's annoying. You ever ever been around a
couple who's just like a little too open about how
in love they are or whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Too many PDAs watching this.
Speaker 1: It felt like it felt like I was eavesdropping on
a date this movie, and I'm like, I don't like this.
You know, you know how it feels to watch all
the scenes with them, I feel like George and Elaine
when Jerry and his girlfriend are calling each other smoopy.
This is like every scene all I'm thinking of, I
love you, Smoopy, and I'm like, everyone's just uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like I get it, they're fucking in
real life.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it doesn't feel like they're acting like yeah,
like they feel like they're not the characters they have been.
Speaker 2: It feels like they're just being.
Speaker 1: Themselves and they're like, oh, by the way, I'm a
scientist and I'm a spider man. I'm just like, this
fun sucks so bad? Why did you leave so much
of this in? It's not It's probably cute to them,
but not to me as the viewer. I'm like, this
is actually kind of annoying.
Speaker 3: And I guess I'm romantic because I watched it and
I was like, spend as much time together as you can't.
She just gonna fall on a clock tower.
Speaker 1: Me. I was just like, God, when is he gonna
drop her off? I said bridge because I didn't know
they were changing it, like gonna drop her off that bridge?
Speaker 3: God damnit.
Speaker 1: Shylee Woodley's cutter anyway, come on, drop her off the bridge. Yeah,
it breaks up with him. Then Spider Man saves a
nerd kid because that kid's gonna come back later. Yeah,
he saves a nerd kid. And there's that.
Speaker 3: They come back to that thread. They made sure we
got to the.
Speaker 1: Characters that just did was in the last one was
the Indian guy completely gone because they cut out his
death scene, and this one there's like three characters.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole time we hear news reports of
people criticizing him, I feel like one voice is absent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hinted at. It's another one of
those details where it's like, we can't repeat it from
the Sam Raimi movies, but we'll dance around it. I
could get an email from Jay Jonah Jamison that's just
as good as JK. Simmons screaming at him. Do you
think j.
Speaker 2: Simmons would have been in this one too if they
asked him?
Speaker 3: I don't know. See, it's a good question. I don't know,
because I can't think of that many bad movies he's
been in. So he might be one of those actors
who's like a term chances J Simmons would have done.
Speaker 1: It, but it's funny because he also voiced j Jonah
Jameson in The Ultimate Spider Man cartoon. Okay, then, so
I like this idea that he's just j Jonah Jamison
throughout the multime.
Speaker 3: Everybody in the multiverse, so they're different from each other
except for him. He's like the one constant.
Speaker 1: What was that line in uh, the Second Spider Verse
for Quent Stacey's like in every other universe.
Speaker 2: Quent Stacy gets with Spider Man.
Speaker 1: In every other universe he dies, she should be like
and most universes, j Jonah Jamison looks like the exact
same guy. I did like in the Newest One that
he was like an Alex Jones type. I thought that
was a fun invention where this they wouldn't have reinvented them.
He still would have been newspaperman wouldn't have made sense.
But yeah, so everyone's just like, I don't know Spider
Man's great. I don't think he's so great. He's always
helping people. Let the police do it.
Speaker 3: I'm and I don't like him.
Speaker 1: Jim Norton, I'm want to meet him one day, and
I just want.
Speaker 3: To be like, could you just say that to me?
Speaker 1: Already?
Speaker 2: Thoughts on Tony back movies. He stinks and I don't
like him.
Speaker 1: I did like like some of this montage was kind
of fun, seeing as like day to day heroing, and
I like that he's like sick at the store and
he like really needs to get medicine, but the store
is being muck, so he just puts some of his
costume on and he's like, I'm the finery. He's like
sneezing into the cost bed. I mean that's kind of funny,
Like what the superheroes are sick? That would be Yeah,
I should have did the whole movie like that. It
should have been like Diehard three where he does the
whole movie hungover.
Speaker 2: That would have been great.
Speaker 3: He keeps sneezing into his own mask, sick.
Speaker 1: I want to see I want I want to see
a superhero movie that's die Hard three where the guy's
hungover and wants to throw up most of the time.
That makes that movie.
Speaker 2: Diehard three gets so better.
Speaker 1: When you're an adult and experience a hangover, you appreciate
it so much more. You're like, oh, I get it now.
This adds so much to it. Then then they have
one of these scenes where he's trying to get out
of a suit before May opens the.
Speaker 3: Door, and it's like, oh yeah, he's a crawling over
the ceiling. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I feel like we've had enough of
these scenes in superhero stuff. We can sit a lot
of This is a long movie, by the way, a
lot of it could have been cut out. Yeah, a
lot of stuff, Like I mean, they did cut a
lot out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they could have cut.
Speaker 2: Out stuff like this and left in some of those
more importancy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not a movie I watched and I'm like,
we need more comedic relief.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah he uh.
Speaker 2: She finds him in bed and his face is all dirty.
He's like, I was cleaning the chimney.
Speaker 1: We have no chimney?
Speaker 3: What And then she's like, why is the loney turning
red and blues? And I was watching my American flag?
Speaker 1: But yeah, then he gets all sad about his dad's briefcase.
He remembers it exists. Yes, yes, he's like, oh I forgot.
He's like, I forgot I was supposed to figure out
what happened to my dad. Also, isn't there a burglar
out there that I want revenge for for killing my uncle.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah. To me, it's like they're trying to show, Okay,
I'm gonna throw myself into my work because I don't
want to think about Gwen and I want to think
about all this stuff going on, and so like, in
that sense, okay, this scene works for me. But in
the other sense, like I just don't care about this
mystery box. I can guess n't really which direction it's going.
It's gonna film in some details. I don't even want
him to find his dad because he's a jerk. Yeah,
so yeah, I hate all this stuff. This is when
even when I say the movie is like a fun mess,
when he's doing anything with his parents, it's not fun.
It's just boring.
Speaker 1: No, And then Max has gone full Jim Carrey Ridler.
He has pictures of Spider Man everywhere, much like Jim
Carrey had pictures of Bruce Wayne everywhere and Batman forever.
He's made himself a birthday cake that's green and yellow,
even though he won't wear those colors in the movie.
Something made him all blue and black.
Speaker 2: I guess Ultimate Spider Man. He had like a black
latex suit early.
Speaker 1: On I only have Volume one. I don't know what
happened after that. I don't remember him being blue, but yeah,
he's talking to himself and we get a first big
deleted scene he has a mom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the eight. Like, yeah, I feel
we've seen that trope a lot, where like there's a
villain who goes home to an angry mom that he's
forced to take care of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she like she doesn't even remember his birthday,
And it's just like how much does this guy suck
that no one can remab The only person who knows
anything about him is his boss, who hates.
Speaker 3: Him, I mean knowing him. It probably isn't his birthday.
He doesn't know what the hell is going on.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't uncomfortable scene. He's like, mom, it's a
special day.
Speaker 1: Can you think of it?
Speaker 2: And she's like no, don't have anything to say, and
she's like, you're a dummy.
Speaker 3: Same as always.
Speaker 2: And by the way they show that.
Speaker 1: Like he has like a power outage and it turns
off her oxygen things, So I think we're meant to
imply that she just died.
Speaker 2: At some point in the movie.
Speaker 3: I bet they they're probably too embarrassed to put it
in the deleted scenes, but I bet he goes home
and kills her later. Yeah, that's part of him. Like
I'm not putting up with any crap anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they had to have had a
deleted scene like that because it's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: They released just one scene and nothing else, like that's.
Speaker 2: All you shot with the mom.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would have been a bigger character.
Aunt May is keeping her nursing a secret.
Speaker 3: I guess she doesn't want We saw flashes of this
with the May from Sam Raimi's where like she doesn't
want Peter to know how much she's struggling with money. Yeah,
so she's trying to keep to herself off, Like it
is a weird thing that Again, they don't want to
emphasize the fact that they are, you know, Peter struggles
to pay the rent. That's always the classic Peter Parker thing,
and they like allude to that here where he's like,
I'm making you know, good money from my uh for
j Jonah jameson taking pictures. Yeah, so they'll kind of
like allude to that side of things but not really
emphasize it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought I thought that was weird. It's
just like that's a hard thing to like hide. Yeah,
you're like studying all the time. And also you're old.
Why are you doing Why are you picking nursing of
all the things. So they mentioned Jamison. They're like, you
would have money if he asks Jamison for a raise,
and like that's it. That's all we hear from j
He sends him an email later and that he.
Speaker 3: Sends him an email and is maybe you should rethink
this Spider Man guy, he's a hero. Yeah, and then
he just replies back the subject line is just wrong.
All cats.
Speaker 2: Oscorp.
Speaker 1: Is making a clean power grid to power the city,
which you know will be used for evil at some point.
Speaker 3: This is the Ganali device or whatever the first movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a bunch of big exposed towers out
in nowhere like some island.
Speaker 3: Sure hope no villain arrives and loves to drink electricity.
Speaker 1: Just that not like spread out power station. This is
the whole power station for the entire city. Might as
well paying a target on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Uh, Okay, So we get to see another bad guy,
Alextair Smythe who's bj Novak from the Office. Yes, Uh,
don't worry, he doesn't turn into smythe with the weird
weird shoulders and monster thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Here's this guy with the weird shoulders. He's like in
a wheelchair first and then he gets like powers and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he was gonna come back.
Speaker 1: At some point as the Spider Slayer and did it,
which is what was his name on the Office was
a Ryan. Yeah, yeah, I don't see Ryan from the
Office being the Spider Slagh, much like I didn't see
Eric from that seventy show being No.
Speaker 3: I kind of want to see it though, Yeah, you
know in there. Yeah he cut all the parent stuff
and put him in there.
Speaker 2: No, no, man, we never got to see.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The dad from Modern Family was Doc Sampson in the
first UH and the Ed Norton Hulk movie. He's the
guy who gets big muscles and long green flowing air.
But it was like Phil Dumphy from Modern Family, and
I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, I kind of want to see him in the
long air.
Speaker 1: They should bring him back with long green hair embroided.
They never delivered on that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll have time and Avengers Secret Wars obviously
in there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he choose Max out for being late and
then Max like yells at him in his head. And
this was in the deleted scene with his mom where
he says what he really wants, he imagines it, but
he never says it out loud because he talks about
Spider Man and he's like, Spider Man is a Sagittarius,
you're a Libra. You're nothing like him, blah blah. It's
like that's so dumb. But then he meets Gwen in
an elevator and he made his own invitation to his
own party that Spider Man themed like he's not well, No,
he like the how he is acting should prohibit him
from having a job like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is another one of those is like why today,
Like how was everything status quo until now? This guy
would not be working here. Yeah, he would not have
made plans for like the most revolutionary power plant in history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they stole his design and everything.
Speaker 1: But it's just like he's imagining that he has a
VIP thing, like he should be in an insane asylum
or something like there's no way he clocks into work
every day.
Speaker 3: What helps though, is that every time they cut to him,
it's like it's like doing like Mickey Mouse cartoon music,
and so it tricks my brain into accepting it. I
was like, yeah, yeah, this makes sense.
Speaker 1: But I like that Gwen remembers his name. He goes goodbye,
Max is like you remember my name? Is he gonna
be obsessed with Gwen? Now that's like his things, like
I want people to see me remember my name.
Speaker 3: It's really too bad that Spider Man is the one
who imprings on him. If only, if only somebody else was.
Speaker 2: Well, it's weird.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not even like he wants everyone to
know his name because he wants recognition for the thing
that he made.
Speaker 2: That's what it should be. But it said, he's like,
you know my name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm your best friend. Now it's like again, it's weird.
The movie decided, you know, that's how I said. You know,
we have his parents, the Rhino, now Electro and Gwen
Stacy and even Dennis.
Speaker 2: Leary came back. The movie decided we don't have enough characters.
Speaker 1: Harry Osborne shows up, played by Dame Dihon, who's fine,
but I think Hollywood thought he was gonna be like
bigger than he was. Yes, and they made him like
they put him in too many big things like Valerian,
and it's like, okay, this this should be a supporting character.
Speaker 3: And the way you phrase it is exactly right. He
shows up. It just he suddenly springs into existence. Yes,
And you do not buy for a second that him
and Peter have this shared history like we'll go way back,
trust me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like he's twenty, Peter's like probably eighteen. Like
you guys when you were like for friends, when we
were maybe ten or something. It's like, this isn't too
much time has passed, like kids and teens. Like if
I was friends with someone when I was ten, i
saw him when I was twenty, I wouldn't be like
back like good old days.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh, what's school you going to?
Speaker 1: Like that's it. I wouldn't like want a record like
it's so bizarre.
Speaker 3: What's school? He going to give me your blood?
Speaker 1: But his dad is Normanas weren't played by Chris Cooper,
who played a more convincing villain in the Muppets reboot.
He was a better villain in the Muppets reboot. I'm
sorry and we knew he was dying from the last movie,
but they never said what turns out it's what was
it retro vile blah blah blah, he's turning into.
Speaker 3: A copy Well, okay, okay, to be fair, he gives
Harry a little cube hard drive and he's like, here's
all this stuff that's been keeping me alive. So he's
probably been taking some form of the Goblin serum okay,
to prolong his life. So that's why he hit the clause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has like a little clause. He can't deal
with the sunlight. But he tells He's like, I've your
hands started shaking yet you're gonna die. But here's this
cube that we learned later he never told him how to.
Speaker 3: Use, which like all he had to do was put
it on the table. Yeah, and I'm like, clear, this
is the same thing as like Peter, you're so curious
about your parents. You never went into your basement like things,
and it's like, you're so curious how to save your life.
He told you the cure is on that drive.
Speaker 2: And for the rest of the move, for the next
half hour, he's around playing.
Speaker 3: With it, and then he like sneezes and he drops
it on the table.
Speaker 2: God, he drops Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he's like messing with like some scales appear
on his Yeah, a lesion or whatever hurts.
Speaker 1: So he's like, ah, this is the only scene we
give with Chris Cooper. There's lines in the trailer, which
we'll talk about more deleted scenes that were on the trail.
There's the lines where he's like, we have plans for you,
Peter Parker, and we found the head. I saw concept dark,
but we found they build a head. They were gonna
keep his head preserved. It's like so they could bring
him back for later movies.
Speaker 3: I guess you backed yourself into this corner. He doesn't
need to die, and then you have to do this
convoluted thing where we preserve his head in a box,
like he could just be alive if you want to
focus on Harry, Okay, he's in a coma. He's I mean,
he's already bedridden. Yeah. Yeah, it's so bizarre, but I
think he's.
Speaker 1: I think it was all a fan like found like
the box that his head would have been in that
was all like blue screen or something.
Speaker 3: He's like, why does Harry keep looking sadly at this box?
Speaker 1: And talk in his box, say it gives him all
the research, and then he dies off screen. Then Smyth
tells Max that he has to stay behind on his birthday,
and he's like, you got to fix an electrical problem,
all right, go do that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And of course this electrical problem is over a tank
of eels, Yes, tank of electric eels that they're using
for science or something. I love that they made fun
of this in no way home. He's like, what happened
to you? I found it to a tank of heels.
I found it to an experiment with saying it's like, God,
be careful where you fall. I thought that was really funny,
kind of like mocking how dumb this is.
Speaker 3: They did such a great job, like that movie is
a little messy, but it is so satisfying. The way
it will correct some issues from these older movies are
like payoff certain things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he falls into the tank of electric heels and
they all bite him and now he's electricity man.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know how that happened eels.
Speaker 3: And the uh? But what what what?
Speaker 2: What the heels?
Speaker 1: Like rewrite his DNA and Adams and stuff.
Speaker 3: You think, Spider, It's like the end of Iron Man.
You think you're the only superhero. You think spiders are
the only animals we're experimenting on.
Speaker 2: Max's father put his DNA in the.
Speaker 1: We learned that Odds Corp has shelve the animal hybrid
program after the lizard incident. Yes, yeah, that's a bad one.
Speaker 3: But they're still experimenting on these eels. Yes, okay, we
can move on.
Speaker 1: Well, the eels I think are just to generate electricity.
Speaker 3: They're not. That is the most efficient way as we know.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course I learned that from the The
Mary Shelley's Frankenstegn with Robert de Niro eels brought him
back to life.
Speaker 3: I learned it from Amazing Spider Man two. The Tank.
Speaker 1: So he's yelling at all the lawyers. Who is the
main guy, the bald guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know he was.
Speaker 1: I know he was Loki's dad in the first Thor movie.
Oh okay, we're just gonna call him bald Oscorp guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: He was a good actor, but I just can't remember
his name, and I don't know his characters.
Speaker 3: The Evil Businessman two, Yeah, well he's one free if
you had scythe Yes, it's evil Businessman one, then there's
evil security man and then smythe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Smith is like not a big part of this now,
I'm again we didn't see him in the deleted scenes.
I'm sure they had more for him in this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he feels like he should be more involved with
this guy taking over the company and everything, and he's
just not. Yeah, so he's yelling at everyone and then
he goes, hey you lady Felicity Jones playing Felicia Harding
the Black Cat, and she's like, Hi, I'm an upcoming actress.
I was in Ricky Gervais's Cemetery Junction and did really
well that's what she said.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it, I know.
Speaker 1: And he said, yes, you're very good at Cemetery Junction.
I can't wait to see you in Star Wars. You're
now the boss.
Speaker 2: And she's like even.
Speaker 1: She's just like what cause she was Norman Osborne's assistant
and he's like, you know everything. I'm like, she's pretty young.
I don't think she was assistant for like thirty years
or anything. So yeah, he promotes her, and this is
hinting at some kind of attraction, but as we learn
from the deleted scenes, all.
Speaker 2: Most of their stuff's cut out.
Speaker 1: Yep, and it didn't really amount to a relationship anyway. No,
so I get them cutting it out, but now it's
weird that it's introduced. And I would have liked to
have seen her as Black Cat. But there's nothing that
says black Cat about her.
Speaker 3: Is nothing that says anything about her in this Yeah,
she's just there, yes.
Speaker 1: A last she has nothing to do with Spider Noir,
has a Felicia Hardy, but they call her something else,
cat herding or something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they like mix something name. She never
turns into the.
Speaker 1: Black Cat, but she also doesn't have to in that universe,
but at least that character is around and doing stuff,
has kind of a relationship with Spider Man, which is
kind of a black Cat thing.
Speaker 3: That's the bar we've said. It's like they're doing stuff,
do anything, it doesn't matter what.
Speaker 2: She's literally here to be like, they'll come up later.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's fine when like, uh, what's his
face Jeremy Renner shows up in Thor for like a minute,
because it's like, oh, he'll come back later. But it's
like not distracting. Now, it's you keep expecting her to
do something in this movie because she's in most of
the movie.
Speaker 2: It's not a cameo.
Speaker 1: Same thing with bj Novak, Same with all these characters.
If they were cameos, I wouldn't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's even distracting, like having Chris Cooper there. Yeah,
Osbourne cut to a news report that he's dead. It's
just weird.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. So Peter meets with Harry, who again
at this point he shouldn't be friends with a Facebook DM.
Speaker 2: You can face. You can DM him on Facebook.
Speaker 3: Most likely, and it would most likely be ignored.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, you know what.
Speaker 1: Rich people really love poor friends from their past dming
them and trying to start friendships again. They love it.
Speaker 2: It's their favorite thing. It's their favorite thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been I've been leaving him on Red for
weeks now.
Speaker 1: They're trying to catch up, and Peter's like climbing over
a railing or something while they're talking, just acting weird.
He's just Andrew Garfields, just acting weird in this movie
the whole time.
Speaker 3: He's got, i mean, cut the guy some slack. He's
got to carry an entire cinematic Universe on his back.
He's like, I'm just gonna try whatever I can just
to do something for the scene.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like hang over a railing and then
I'm gonna maybe have a super New York voice or
that whole like theary is.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what where is he? You were the one
acting weird like that. One problem with Harry in this
movie is that he feels kind of sinister from the beginning.
They partially the casting because I only knew him from
always that Superhero Movie's. Yeah, so I already look at
him and I'm like, you're already a bad guy, honestly,
if you became a goblin like goblins are, Like, I
didn't step up pretty much what.
Speaker 1: His laugh was, and I wasn't expected him to have
that whimpy of a coblin laugh. He's like, so it's
such a huge letdown from like Willem Dafoe.
Speaker 3: You go from Willem Dafoe to like, I'm gonna slick
my hair back and have these painted on like very
angry eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Oh and this is where this is where he's really
leaning into the New York accent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again it comes and goes it comes and goes.
Speaker 3: Hey, we go way back, Harry, Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: He lets him know about Gwynn Stacy's like, I was
your girl named Gwen.
Speaker 3: She actually works for you, So it's like that she
works for Felicia. Peter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's when I go like, that's how the
Goblin will know to drop her off a thing later.
So they talk about Spider Man and then woke ask
Peter Parker's like, it could be a woman. We don't know.
Apparently he wanted Apparently he said he wanted to explore
Spider Man's sexuality in this.
Speaker 3: Well he can't because they leaked that another document that
weaked there's a list of qualities that Peter Parker must
adhere to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for Sony to use him. Yeah, but I don't
know why. He was just like, you know what, we're
trying to start a universe. How about we have Spider
Man do some gay stuff?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I just like it was funny. It's like, yeah, my
girlfriend that I'm clearly flirting with for real in this movie,
I'm so pretending.
Speaker 2: Can I also have a scene with a guy?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Very confusing.
Speaker 3: It's trying to make her jealous.
Speaker 1: Can Mary Jane be like Marvin Jane or something like
that gets Gwenn jealous with the guy. That's pretty fucking Seyeah.
They talk about Spider Man, they're being spied on by Oscorp,
and then Oscorp Guy businessman guy gets an update from
security man about Max's death that they're covering up, like,
don't worry, we're gonna send him to the Morgue.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get rid of it.
Speaker 1: Peter calls when to meet up, and then he walks
in traffic like an asshole.
Speaker 3: I liked it. I don't know. It was cute, you know.
Speaker 1: And they talk about how they have to be friends,
and I forgot they are supposed to be early twenties,
so they're still doing the other we could be friends thing. No,
don't be friends with any of your axes, or years
later will end up being one of your co hosts
and be a real bitch to you. And they bring
her husband onto the show and then he.
Speaker 3: Gives you a shit and Tony's like, we gotta set some.
Speaker 1: Watch the scene of Chucky episode which I had any
and it was a really good one. She became my neighbor,
and now I gotta watch the dog randomly and like
I should.
Speaker 3: Have God, damn focus Ton. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're talking about how they're gonna be friends,
so they can't like smile or laugh or anything. It's like,
just get back together, you idiots.
Speaker 2: Very very annoying scene.
Speaker 3: As you said that, Dennis Leary was behind me, Like.
Speaker 2: Then we cut.
Speaker 1: To oh no, actually, oh I skipped over. Uh Electro
came back to life. Yeah, he's sitting in a morgue
by himself with the incinerator on. You might be saying,
why is an incinerator? I am saying that, yes, yes,
it's because they cut out the dancing walkie talkie More Guy.
Speaker 3: Which was a note they took from Kevin Fiking because
he said, does the more Guy have to be listening
to music? Feels a little cliche.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm thinking of a return return to Living
Dead that More Guys.
Speaker 2: Which have you watched return?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That guy's awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you think that guy's awesome? Have you not
looked into it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I have. That's why he's awesome.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know he's a secret Nazi, right,
not a secret Nazi doesn't have a poster up on
his wall.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's awesome the character. I'm saying, if
you step out of the movie as a comedic element,
it's awesome that that's just there because it's so absurd. Okay,
but he's portrayed.
Speaker 1: For a minute, I thought you didn't know, Like I
should probably give Gill aheads up.
Speaker 3: I also love doctor Kaofka in this movie, you know,
the evil a German scientist who torture people.
Speaker 2: Kail, I worry about you.
Speaker 3: I'm like Gwen Stacy where she raised like someone throw
me off a clock to tour.
Speaker 1: I go back and watch the Return Living Dead episode.
We like point out like the music he's listening to,
and that one is kind of a cue. He's subtle
cues you might have missed, not like the obviously cues,
like in a Dead Ali where the guy literally was
not underneath his doctor. Oh yeah, this guy, he's like cool,
wacky hair. Dude just gets fried. Uh they cut all
that out. Yeah, he just wakes up and he's like,
all right, I'm alive.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then while uh Andrew Garfield is flirting with his girlfriend.
Speaker 3: I like when he wakes up and it's like he sheds, yeah,
burnt flesh. Yeah, that's my favorite parts of these movies
are like shedding a cocoon of some kind. Yeah, like
when Kirk Connors grows his arm back. More cocoons. Yeah,
I would have saved this movie.
Speaker 2: Brano didn't have a cocoon.
Speaker 3: He kind of ends up in a cocoon at the end.
If we saw him break out of a cocoon, yeh.
Then then then talk to Me.
Speaker 1: Lecture is making his way till time to time Square.
Peter reveals that he's stalk Gwen. She's like, i'na be
going to this place, like, yeah, you love it there.
It's like, but how do you know that?
Speaker 3: Uh? You told me?
Speaker 1: He told me? And then she lets him know that
she's gonna try and get a scholarship to Oxford in uh, England,
which is forty something miles north of Foggy London Town
where Manny Muskets is from all my notes originally said
Foggy London Town. Then I realized Oxford isn't he in
Foggy London. It's all the many Muskets sort of thing.
That's become my favorite reference.
Speaker 3: From Everything Happened to Manny Muskets Gil who's Gil? Oh
you met Manny Muskts Okay, now I can ground myself.
Speaker 1: So just a spoiler, I'm gonna go to Paison Con
on my birthday in September, and I'm only inviting the
Italian members of Hack of the Movies.
Speaker 3: And I bragged to Johannah that she can't go. Well,
he opened this up to me. Now I'm inviting all
the Italian members. He starts by saying, you're not invited.
Speaker 2: Yes, only Italians.
Speaker 1: And I bragged to Johannah that she can't go because
she recently found out that she's not Italian. But I
told her I'm actually gonna figure out how to way
to adult adopt Manny Muskets freaking anyway, So look out September,
like eighteenth, nineteen to twentieth Paison Come. I'll be walking
around Electro gets the Times Square and he wants to
eat some wires or something that's.
Speaker 2: Like there's wires everywhere. I don't know why. He's just
like yes, time scer, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: I'm always about this whole movie. I'm like, I mean power,
like the way it works, we're all plugged into like
the main I don't know how power plants work, but.
Speaker 1: I love that he has his electricity vision and Time
Square looks like the biggest one. I'm like, well, couldn't
you go to where the power's being generated?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess he's like a moss drawn to the flame.
And I guess they already I mean, to be fair,
they established that he's like, oh he's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. But yeah, he goes to the Times
Square and uh, he sees himself on all the screens,
including the Kodak screen.
Speaker 3: Wow, I can't believe I'm featured and all these Sony
monitors and Sony televisions.
Speaker 1: Kodak waited so long to do the digital thing, and
then they really do you remember like Piple was their sport,
their sponsor guy for a while. Yeah, Pipple was like
their mascot doing all these Kodak cameras. So they really
My sister had one of their Code Act digital cameras.
They just waited too long. They were so late too.
Speaker 3: And now they do the little blind box like tiny cameras.
I guess.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they found like their back.
Speaker 3: They're back. I declared that they're back. Oh, I have
the little cameras.
Speaker 1: I went to East. Uh, what's the guy who made Kodak?
And I went to his house. It's like a museum
now in Rochester. And then the one music outside the
museum is a statue of Philip Suemer howfin No? Yeah, okay,
Electro is pissed that Spider Man doesn't remember his name.
Speaker 3: Wait, which, to be fair, he's like, you don't recognize me.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you're all blue and you don't have hair,
and yeah, why would I recognize you?
Speaker 3: I did enjoy Okay, it's like a little change of pace.
This is an action scene. We're right off the bat.
It's not just punching. Yeah, he's like trying to talk
him down. I like how at first he's sort of
taunting Electro and then he realizes, Oh, this guy's actually unstable. Hey,
I believe you man, this is my friend here, you know.
I kind of that.
Speaker 1: I like that, like the whole like de escalation.
Speaker 2: Instead of just going in and beating up a mentally
challenged For.
Speaker 3: Some reason, I liked that, yeah, holding back a little.
Speaker 1: But then the Stiper shoots and Missus and Electro like freaks.
Speaker 3: Out, and this is where this is insane, an insane
choice but I love it. There's lyrics and the music.
I was gonna say, it's like an opera. I was
gonna say, Electro thinks Spider Man this is his enemy.
And how I know that is the lyrics are going
you to me, ried to me, he shot at me.
He's dead to me.
Speaker 1: Much like the hallucination, which would have happened twice when
they cut out the first one, this internal rapping dialogue
never comes back again.
Speaker 3: Well, I do think there are other moments where there's
still like they're less they're a little bit more subtle.
You don't hear them as audibly. But like, this to
me is a great example of what to do when
you've got a bad movie on your hands. Yeah, just
lean into it even further so at least, like I
said a few times already, it's a it's a fascinating mess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a choice.
Speaker 2: It was a choice.
Speaker 1: You know. We had the the we had what were
called Green Goblin talking to his alter ego, doctor Octopus
talking to the clothes whatever was going on. Spider Man
three then didn't really talk. Uh And the last one,
you know, Lizard was talking to the lizard part of
his brain. This is that again, but now I'm singing
for well.
Speaker 3: They tried singing for him in Spider Man two, where
doc Ock is singing you know if I were a
rich man. That was that they didn't put it in
the movie, so that this time they decided, what if
we do it?
Speaker 2: You know, like you know what they probably put that.
Speaker 1: They probably wrote that singing part when they thought the
Spider Man musical was gonna be a bigger deal.
Speaker 3: Cut to the video of the guy falling all this
and then the other guy falling. God that play.
Speaker 1: Is there a video of that play? I want to watch?
Speaker 3: I was, I mean, I wanted to go because of
how insane. It's sounded like the amazing Spider Man two
of Broadway. I didn't catch it, just.
Speaker 1: That the lizard was like an inflatable thing, but it
looked like a guy and a lizard got caught in
like a teleporter. Oh okay, just remember that play. All
the bad guys were splice DNA. But then there was
a knife lady. It's like, wait, with the knives come from?
Electro just starts zapping left and right. Uh, He's just
like I'm gonna kill everyone.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah, and all these
idiot bystanders like, go Spider Man, go, it's like run away.
Speaker 1: Oh I do like this one moment where he throws
the car and like the whole railing, that stupid railing
in Times Square with the red steps. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's all energized and everyone's about to touch the railing
and Spider Man's like, oh no, my got one broken
webshoot or so he like splits up the webs but
then uses his senses to like grab everyone to make
sure they don't touch the railing.
Speaker 2: That was something.
Speaker 3: Anytime you see a hero do something clever or that
only they could do with their power, and you're like,
that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is the Spider sense is now
working how we all know it works, not like the
last movie where it's just flashes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it never worked that way again never, And you.
Speaker 3: Cut from Eli took it back to just like then
as soon as Spider Man saved someone, it's like.
Speaker 1: And then uh, Spider Man teams up the fire department
and hoses down electro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I remember that picture with the fire like
everywhere Spider with the fire helmet on.
Speaker 1: I do like he was like, he's probably saved so
many people and fires, he like knew all the firefighters.
Speaker 3: But then it then it cuts to, uh, all these signs,
all these huge things fall down, and I'm like, conveniently
all the bystanders have just vanished. This was before Batman
of you Superman.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they take him away and Peter h finally
researches more of that briefcase while Philip Phillips blasts in
the background. Yep, I'm like, oh man, that is very
twenty fourteen album.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Music can only do so much to say this movie.
They're trying their best.
Speaker 1: So Harry starts to notice this goblin disease growing, and
then this is when he.
Speaker 2: Drops the box that has all the files, Like wait, why.
Speaker 1: Did he not know what it was?
Speaker 3: How desperate are you to live if you haven't even
bothered to be like anyone know how to read this thing? Yeah,
it's like, oh yeah, all of our tables are pro.
Speaker 1: You just put it on the table, no bass word
or anything. Yeah, So he learns about the body armor,
which this was probably at it later on because there
was a deleted scene where he brings Peter to Oscorp
and they show a guy wearing the armor, so which
I would have liked more because that means Harry's aware
of the armor. He probably knows how it works. Here
he just sees a picture and swipes it. So later
on when he's like, oh, yeah, that thing, I'll just
wear that, I'm like, oh, does he.
Speaker 2: Know all the specifics about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But even that deleted scene was so dumb. It's
like a guy's wearing the armor and he goes like
and it was like.
Speaker 1: Whoa, I mean, he just moved his arms and the
armor keeps you alive, yeah or something. Why isn't he
just in the armor now? If it has magical healing abilities?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing of like, I mean, his Norman
Osbourne is much older than Harry Osbourne, so it feels
a little weird. That's suddenly like that the disease is
coming on aggressively, and he's so like they need him
to be desperate, so he's begging Spider Man for his blood.
But it all feels very contrived. I think it would
have worked better if he looked at the drive and
saw the things is the unnatural things his father was
doing to stay alive. Maybe he takes some of the
Goblin serum, but it backfires and makes the disease more aggressive.
It starts messing with his head. Yeah, I think this
would have worked a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, In said, it's just like, here's your costume for later.
Oh cool, thanks, no mention of a glider.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So he watches the video of Richard Parker talking about
spiders and he realizes that's something that he needs. But
they don't have the spiders anymore. Uh. And then Peter
is watching watching bad revideos to figure out how to
like charge his webshooters. But I feel like this is
like basic stuff that a nerd like him should already know. Yep,
so that was weird. Uh. But yeah, he's trying to
make a I like, the batteries are exploding more and
more and more the more he tries, and uh.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 1: This seems like okay, this seems like a Spider Man thing.
Was like, well, this guy is his power, so I
gotta upgrade my stuff. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: I was fine with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the extinguished fine. So I think in
that one deleted scene, Harry was going to tell Peter
that he was sick.
Speaker 2: And everything.
Speaker 1: They cut that out so that it's literally Harry calls
Peter when Peter's like working on the thing. He's like,
I'm dying, Come visit me. It's a hell of a
way to open up a conversation.
Speaker 3: He's tired, he's grumpy, you know, so he uh.
Speaker 1: He shows him all the spider stuff and how it
was used to help save Norman, and he's like, look,
Spider Man must have been bitten by one of these
spiders here. How else would he have these powers. I
need a spider blood. And since you take pictures, you
gotta get them.
Speaker 3: For me, which makes it even more awkward that they
hardly emphasize that Peter takes pictures of Spider Man. Yeah,
he's like, oh yeah, he does take pictures of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird thing to just overlook. I feel
like we're missing out a big port part of his life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: Then we see Gwen at work and she's typing on
a transparent screen that only existent movies because I'm just like,
this would suck to work on. Yeah, you gotta have
that like button to black out the screen, like those
cool vature glasses I have that can be transparent, but
then they can go full.
Speaker 3: Both like sponsorship. Now, no, get okay, No, it's just
I actually use those classes.
Speaker 2: I did do sponsorships, but I actually used those classes.
Speaker 1: I was I was the other day. I was hanging
out in the yard, but while also catching up on
the show. They're good, the weather's nice. Now I can
I can binge watch shows and movies for work while
I'm out and about.
Speaker 3: It's not a sponsorship. This is trying to get a sponsorship.
Speaker 2: Hey, if they want to pay me a few time, beachure,
I'll do it. But I really like the stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I use all my sponsorships. But do you think I'm
some kind of shill? You saw me playing raat Shadow
Legends earlier. Yeah, like still going strong. Oh yeah, so
she's typing on that that super computer. I'm like, this
only looks cool in movies. This would be a fucking night.
You would be like staring at your color.
Speaker 3: And anytime they do like it's like a keyboard that
floats in front of you, and you tell I'm like
anything that doesn't have tactile feed. Yeah, like I'm already
annoyed at touchscreens.
Speaker 1: Yes, I hate when he's like look at this file.
He throws it to the screen.
Speaker 3: It's like that would never work in real life. You'd
be like this and it's like it's loading. I think
I'll plug it and plug it back in. I'll just
show you on my phone. Fine.
Speaker 1: It was like a Jurassic Park where they're going through
all the files and it's like an animation, like, no,
just making a folder you can click on.
Speaker 2: God damn it.
Speaker 1: So Peter doesn't want to get his friend Spider Man
to help Harry because he's afraid that, uh, he'll get
mutated like the lizard.
Speaker 3: And he handles this very poorly because he does come
off like a jerk because he keeps saying like, we
need more time, more time for what. No one's like running,
like give the blood and they can like run some
tests on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the weird thing, Peter. I think I
mentioned it later, but Peter should be like, well, why
don't you give Spider Man your blood and you can
do tests and stuff on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's a way to handle this that isn't
like just die already.
Speaker 1: Odscorp Security finds out that Quenn was looking for Max.
She was trying because she recognized him at the big
battle right, and she's like, oh wait, that's Max and
then she looks his name and it's all been a
race and security guy's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh no, we got one, like the race is
in real time. She feels him up. Is that how
it works? You just see the file vanish in front
of you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she sneaks away and she bumps into Peter
and then they get all cutesy.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: You know, we're hiding in a clubs.
Speaker 2: It's like the most cliche. I'm sorry I didn't get
the riviera or whatever. Shut up, stop it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Peter helps distract security, which is like a
fun comedic scene where he's like spelling.
Speaker 3: Coffee, I'm off comes today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she runs into Harry right, who she
assumes is with us, but Harry doesn't know there's like
a mutiny happening underneath them, so she's all nervous. He's like,
oh hi, when I'm Harry, Like, She's like, he's gonna
murder me, and he's all.
Speaker 3: Like, why is this lady so beat to me? They hey,
goblin faces, what are you talking about? Are you gonna
throw me off a clock tower?
Speaker 1: He's like Okay, so yeah, they just have like a
brief interaction. Electro is now stuck in an institute. The
scary German guy who was supposed to be a woman
in the comics, they reverse woked it. They woke to Electro,
but then they reverse woked it for this guy.
Speaker 3: And if we're gonna have Spider Man exploring a sexuality,
I'm making out with Max Dillan. We'll throw this into
just even things out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the scary German guy who's like literally a cartoon. Yeah,
he's like mugging for the camera, stupid, but yeah, I
guess they keep him underwater to suppress.
Speaker 3: Him, like waters where he got his power.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the scary German guy is like an asshole.
He's just like, we're gonna like torture you and learn
everything we can about you. And he's like, ah, okay,
I'm gonna kill you when I get out of here.
Speaker 2: Uh don't you know call me Electro?
Speaker 3: Oh fuck her name? Is?
Speaker 1: He giving himself the bad guy?
Speaker 3: And he I guess he can. It's just like, w
did you workshop that jicksaw? If it worked for Jigsaw?
I guess call me Jicksaw from now on?
Speaker 1: Oh right, sorry, I was thinking of Sauw Jigsaw. You're right,
Punisher Warzo called me Jigsaw.
Speaker 3: Apparently Jigsaw stole his whole for philosophy from the judge
one hundred years earlier. Oh god, so.
Speaker 1: They drop it back in the tank while they're playing
Blue Danube or whatever. Uh that's after he does this
bad guy speech. Aunt May finds Peter's research on his dad,
his crazy wall. Yes, and Peter begs to know more
about him, and she's like, look, uh, well, from first
she spoils that she's a nursing.
Speaker 3: She's nursing, and he just has no reaction to him nursing.
You know how I feel about nurses. How dare you?
I tried to keep it a secret. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, and she's just like, look again, she's
really shitting on Richard's like, you're my son, not his like,
but the anger that she has it makes it seem
like she might know he's still alive or something. But
she tells him that the government came and said that
they stole a bunch of stuff and that they were
like traders.
Speaker 3: They were a bunch of comedies. You're better off and
out of here.
Speaker 1: She was they were selling secrets for money, and she's like,
I can't believe this unassuming guy who always went to
Roosevelt Station she like named some station that he went to,
would do something like this.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like this is a complicated interaction, like
the dynamic of you know, she understands that he wants
to know his biological parents. At the same time, she
almost feels underappreciated and insulted because like, am I not
good enough for you? Yeah? But I will say, like
Sally Field and Martin Sheen from the first movie, I
feel their performances they come off as disingenuous to me.
And it might just be because every scene they're in
is some like big speech. Yeah, it's it's always the melodrama,
so they don't come across as like real characters. Yeah,
but I like this interaction here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was okay, Spider Man, uh what's called meets
with Harry and he's like, hey, not gonna give you
my blood?
Speaker 3: See if bye?
Speaker 2: But again this is he should be like, can you.
Speaker 1: Give me your blood? I'll run some tests. And it's
just like, because I guess Oscorp's not allowed to. But
if people be like, hey, Harry look set me up
with the lab. I'll go through all this stuff and said,
he's like, now, buddy, he's just gonna have to die.
Speaker 3: Bye. Yes, kirk Connor has set up a secret bait.
Soon two seconds the Spider Man is.
Speaker 1: Doing he's trying to make electricity proof webs he can't
also try to do it uses spider blood to help him.
Speaker 3: We have had wonders if technology. We've got a delighter,
a self healing suit. It's like, but studying blood it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Because again he's afraid he's gonna end up like the
lizard or something, which I guess he's right, but it's like, yeah,
but you could have like figured out how to like
avoid that.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 1: Peter tells when that he's sad, but he wants what's
best for her, and she's like, we're just on different paths. Peter,
and I think this is when she's hat the thing
to apply for Oxford.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's going crazy. He's like, my fair lady,
I got to save the queen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the fucking goes on for way too long,
so he throws the temper tantrum.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm so bad.
Speaker 1: My girlfriend's trying to get a job, and he smashes
the calculator with tokens, and then he looks up this
secret abandoned station that Roosevelt used so no one would
know that he had polio. And he's like, ah, yes,
I'm gonna go there and I'll learn some things. Meanwhile,
Felicia tells Harry that security had the venom extracted from
the spiders and they're being held in a place called
Special Projects, and he's.
Speaker 3: Like, bad guy factory, Yes, the bad guy Factory.
Speaker 1: And he looks up special Projects and for some reason,
he first clicks on Max's file, which they have that
whole thing where he's watching the video, but it's from
underneath the tables, so half the faces Max's and yeah,
because they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Team up, yeah, which didn't make a whole lot of sense,
because it's like, Okay, I need to break in downstairs
and get the venom. Yeah, but it's like, is it
so okay? So the way you're gonna do that is
by breaking into Ravencroft and stealing electro to have him
help you break in. Yeah, but it's like if you
can break into one place, I don't know. Do we
just accept that Raven crofts break into he needs muscles,
and then ultimately he uses electro a little bit and
then it uses a gun. Yeah, and gets that I
think he could have just used a gun. I don't
know if you need pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. While he's looking up the file, he realizes that
they both hate Spider Man, and then Businessman comes in.
He goes, yep, look, he's watching the video of this
man that he killed and covered up.
Speaker 2: So they like totally sabotage the pin.
Speaker 3: It all on him, like killing it Max still and
making him disappear. Yeah, and he's just like, I know
the way out, and which is how he delivers all
of his life. Yeah. Everything he says is just as
an underbelly of evil to it.
Speaker 1: Every single line I think was supposed to be used
for like a trailer, yeah, which.
Speaker 3: I well, the one was used so annoying because I
remember when that Then when the trailer came out, my
brother and I for some reason, that line just really
resonated with us. We kept minding it too. I'd be like, hey, one,
isn't that the question of it? I was like, I
can't wait to see the context of it. And then
it wasn't in the movie.
Speaker 1: So earlier, when he was showing him all the videos
and stuff, he basically revealed that, uh, in the deleted scene,
that Oscorpe has been spying on him for years. That's
one of the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume because they don't say why, but I
assume that they they suspect that he was well, no,
only because I guess because he's Richard's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe they think he'll see Richard. So they're
following him around, right because yeah, even though wow, we're
supposed to think Richard's dead. But yeah, now that they
delete at that ending, this makes no sense. So Peter
crawls into the station and he uses the token, which
reveals the hidden train car. Who built this?
Speaker 3: I guess?
Speaker 1: So Richard Parker build like all the hydraulic systems, and
so what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like what was he doing in that lab?
Speaker 1: But like I don't know, just to fa Yeah, ohso
he's on a what was it when did he disappear?
Like two thousand and four or something. So he's on
a plane using like early two thousands Wi Fi to
send to underneath the Congress.
Speaker 3: They have holograms now, that means they must be like
twenty years ahead of us in your technology, and.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. And he goes in there and
he watches his father's video and it's all like Norman
Osborne was working with a foreign entity unnamed.
Speaker 3: Said, with as much emotion as you have in your voice.
Speaker 1: Pretty much, he's like working with a farn entity. And
we realize he was gonna use I realized he was
gonna use our biological stuff for weapons, so I decided
to take all my information out of there and screw
him over. And they're gonna hunt me down. He's like,
but what he doesn't know is that the spiders are
infected with my DNA, so only people with my DNA
can benefit from the spider So basically that's why the
spider bite worked on Peter. Yeah, I thought it was
gonna be like again, this is like a weird reccon
like Hulk two thousand and three, where it's like the
dad gave him something and that's why you survive the radiation.
But it's a little bit like the dad put his
DNA in the spider, so that's why only Peter Parker can.
Speaker 3: Get spider power. And I had a spider fetish.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they framed him and that's why he had
to leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the most interesting way to wrap up a
mystery box is to have a guy just boring, Uh,
just like ramble to a camera and explain everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Harry breaks into the asylum and just
tases the two guards.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Great plan you had there, Harry.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Harry wants to team up with Electro and
he promises to free him if he helps him get
into OSCORB and then they're both gonna kill Spider Man
and an Electro is hesitant. But then Harry's like I
need you and he's like you need me. We're best friends.
Now we're like a sinister two. So yeah, he breaks
him out, and this is what he goes, like Doctor Manhattan,
rebuilding his skeleton.
Speaker 3: Mode like floating. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he kills a bunch of people and then
he throws scary German guy into the tank. Uh. Peter
leaves the subway and he gets a voicemail about from
Glen about how she accepted the thing to Oxford and
she has to go right now, and also she's breaking
up with him again. Yes, very yeah, very quick, very quick.
And also around this time based on what we could
tell from pictures this would have been.
Speaker 2: There would have been a scene here.
Speaker 1: There was a deleted scene where she goes to his
house and he's not there, but there would have been
another scene where she would have met Mary Jane.
Speaker 2: Right now, we didn't really talk about Mary Jane. You
had a theory or you know what, bits.
Speaker 3: And pieces have come out of what her role was
going to be in the movie. There was an interview
with the concept artist who talked about some of what
he drew, and so one of the things he put
together was mj was going to be Peter's new next
door neighbor or something. And so the concept artist talked
about a scene where she has an abusive father and
Peter was gonna web him up and like walk upside
down and intimidate him, but you stop beating up or
stop stop abusing your daughter, And so he actually talked
about how they were going to build an upside down
set so Peter could walk on the scene and everything. Yeah,
that was pretty much as much information as we got.
Gwen was going to meet her at some point. Possibly
there was gonna be like a tinge of jealousy. Yeah,
of if Peter and her interaction. But that was pretty
much it.
Speaker 1: It really is. I get the one to do that,
but it is just like, don't worry, he's got a
replacement girl. And I'm like, that's gonna kind of take
the weight out of the death of Gwen's stay.
Speaker 3: It would have been a little gross. The movie's already
over stuffed. Yeah, we definitely do that in the sequel.
Speaker 2: You do that in sequel bring Mary Jane's were to
have Mary Jane there now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like they also like learned their lesson
from Spider Man three, where Peter's like making out with
Gwen Stacy and mj It's like, let's make Peter.
Speaker 1: Not so Harry goes back to Oscorp and Electro materializes
now wearing the suit.
Speaker 3: Yes, he just it must be. I mean they've got well, no,
I was gonna say that in the Bad Guy Factory,
they've got all these ready made suits. But he didn't
get down there. To get down there, Yeah, yeah, I
guess he just made it.
Speaker 1: It's got veins on it, which was by the way,
did you know, like in farm releases this was called
Rise of Electro.
Speaker 3: I did not know that. So stupid they saw a.
Speaker 1: Blu ray box out there was just Electro's head.
Speaker 3: Big blue add Yeah, that was the one that came
out where everyone was like, what what is that? Uh? See?
Speaker 1: I like that they kill him and then they have
to like bring him back to life. Yeah, they like
stop his heart and then start his heart and he's like,
all right, where is it? And he's like, okay, I'll
show you where it is, and then he goes, okay, Electro,
you can go to that grid now.
Speaker 2: But I was just like, wait, Electuro is like pure energy.
Speaker 1: Couldn't he have just like gone into the electricity and
oscar but just found the thing and been like it's here.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why did they have to kill that guy to find
out where the building was in? What the fuck? They're
in the building?
Speaker 3: The room is there?
Speaker 1: Electro could have been like, yeah, I'll just go in
the power and I'll search for it. Oh, here it is.
He might have already known because he worked on all
the electricity there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dumb, he's wacky. He's crazy.
Speaker 1: He's not thinking straight, I guess so, But yeah, Harry
goes into special projects. You know, you get to see
venom I think, or maybe that was only in the trailer.
We do see doctor octopuses. You see his tentacles, and
we see the vulture's wings. I think I'm pretty sure
we see manim We might do remember, but yeah, he's like, okay,
give me that spider goblin juice. And the whole time,
the guy's like, it's not gonna work. We tried.
Speaker 3: Well, so what he thinks is we never did human
trials because it's too dangerous. But Spider Man's out there,
so clearly it worked on a human. They just don't
know it. But what he doesn't know is that it's
got Peter's dad's and the spiders. You've got to be
a Parker for it to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he puts it in him, and then a
business guy leaves, Yes, never to be seen again. But yeah,
he starts like mutating and turning into a goblin who's green.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that it is a seriou. It's a
magic seerum. It'll either turn you into a Spider Man
or a green goblin. Yeh, you can't really tell which
it's going to go.
Speaker 1: But then I guess, like it's mutting so much that
he's gonna die. But luckily, what do you know? It
the green suit that keeps you alive. Happens to be there, Gil,
he just crawl over to it and he gets in,
and would you know it, it's attached to a glider
that we haven't heard about other than the only reason
this exists is because we know he's supposed.
Speaker 2: To have a glider, right, That's it, Like that was
such a stupid set up for this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's so many I mean they they're
acting like Harry is dying tomorrow. Yeah, there's no time
to figure this out. I've got to inject this weird
stuff into me. I gotta break electro out. Not well,
it just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: The same clock thing would have been his company trying
to out him, like get him out before he could
do any of this, right, but he doesn't even know
they're trying to mutiny him at all.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But Yeah, just like the fact that it's there and
the glider just comes out like it made sense to
the other one. It's like, yeah, that was the glider
was something he was working on. He had flight suit.
We assume Norman was working on that for years.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It also just doesn't have any of the weight
of like you compare it to the Sam Raimi trilogy
where it's three movies of build up to Harry turned Dad,
and by then you built up this friendship between him
and Peter Parker had its ups and downs. So you
were like, noah, maybe, I mean, but a third movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were going into the third movie. We were
like no, and then we watched them. We're like, why
is he a snowboarder?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, But here you're like, all right, we get it,
like we're checking the boxes. He's got to become the
Green Goblin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird, like, yeah, we're going all in
on a electro and oh also we're gonna throw in
like his like greatest villain ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah the fuck, Like that's you gotta do one or
the other.
Speaker 3: I think, guys, how are we gonna do Green Goblin?
Norman Osbourne's dead. I was like, you're the one who
killed him, all right, we'll use Harry Osbourne. And that
really was just to make it different.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't you do like Hobgoblin who's not
an Osbourne?
Speaker 2: Why don't you do that instead?
Speaker 3: So many questions.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he gets and his glider and then we
would have seen him killing a bunch of people with
pumpkin bombs, including the business guy who he drags all
the way into the air and then just drops, and
then he would have had a moment with Felicia Hardy
Harding Hardy Felicia Hardy.
Speaker 3: I can't remember because I always mix up the character's
name and the actress's name. Yeah, black catlet's black Cat.
Speaker 1: Uh, he like gives her a look and then he
flies away, but the effects aren't finished, so it turns
into like animatic flying.
Speaker 3: It looks like Poucci when he's going back to his planet.
Speaker 2: So he's off. Uh, spider Man is sad.
Speaker 3: Whoa spider man is sad?
Speaker 1: No way?
Speaker 2: So he webs up a sign that says I love.
Speaker 3: You like that. I thought it was nice. It was
a nice gesture.
Speaker 1: How many people were sitting there being like did he
make that for me? Does he love?
Speaker 3: Just? Like?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Was that like the plural you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I remembered that happen. Like some random
bystander was like, wow, it's for me, But that's made
that up in my head.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's like, look, we'll go to Oxford together.
Speaker 3: It is crime in England, right, Jack the Ripper's still
out there.
Speaker 1: By like the whole like you're gonna go far, I'm
coming with you. It's like, ah, buddy, yeah, let her go. Dude,
I knew, I knew a guy whose girlfriend was traveling
abroad for like school. Yeah, and he tries to raise
money for a film project that had to be shot
in Europe.
Speaker 3: God, so you were like you just quietly slid a
blu ray of amazing Spider Man two. No, I think
it was pre should Spider Man.
Speaker 1: So it's like, lady, let your girlfriend like obviously she's
gonna got a cheat on your girl. Man, Like, come on, man,
it's college. Come on, imagine being that clingy. I don't
think I could ever be that clinging. Now their celebration
is cut short because Max absorbs the grid and power's
going out. How is Aunt Meg gonna help all these patients?
Speaker 2: Gwen?
Speaker 1: It's just like, you gotta magnetize your web shooters. I'm
gooder at science than you are. He's like, oh, I didn't.
Speaker 3: Think to do that. Magnets, Yeah, how do they?
Speaker 1: So he's like, all right, I'll figure out how to
We gotta go figure out how to do that. But
the the clock is ticking because two planes can't communicate
with ground control and they might go crashing.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of funny how at no point is
Peter Parker aware of those planes, Like it's just deciding
that the characters have no idea about. Yeah, it just
feels like such a cheap way to build tension. It's
like somewhere else, a bunch of people are gonna die. Okay,
back to the action. Those people, we saved them.
Speaker 1: It's not even like there was someone we knew on
the plane that would help a little bit. Uh dumb, Yeah,
other than breaking bad. How to subplot about two planes
crashing into each other and that was still popular at
the time. Yeah, but you think it was that cynical,
were like this will remind people breaking It's like, no, maybe,
but they barely talk about that crash in that show afterwards. Yeah,
but I mean they'll do it a little bit. But
I'm like, I feel like they would have been talking
about it, because that show takes place in like one year.
They should have been talking about it. So anyway, so
he's like, all right, right, we gotta go magnetize these
So yeah, they get jumper cables and they I guess
that magnetizes his webshooters. I don't know how it works.
We've got to.
Speaker 3: Right, electrician, we've got to match it.
Speaker 1: And suit looks a lot better in this one. Oh yeah,
it's got big giant white eyes. They never did the
big giant white eyes. So he's like, all right, I'm
gonna go. She's like, wait, I have to go because
I know how to reset the system. Because of course
I fucking.
Speaker 3: Do I know how to push a button.
Speaker 1: Weren't you an intern for a biologist. Why do you
know about the electricity gridge?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: So I gotta go.
Speaker 2: He's like, no webbing, We're gonna web you to the thing.
Speaker 1: And then she says Peter instead of Spider Man, and
everyone says that was like an accident that they left in,
But also, is that just a lot.
Speaker 3: So when he's running away, she says Peter, Yeah, I
mean it's like a high stressful situation. I don't know why,
what do you think?
Speaker 1: What's your I think it was just written like that,
and they thought they'd be cutesy and say it was
an accident that they left him.
Speaker 3: Oh so, oh, this is one of those things where
they say the actor said it, but we Oh yeah,
I never believe those stories.
Speaker 1: Now, there are some times I believe it when it's
an actual flub, like the originally Evil Dad. The one
guy foxes up his line and before the camera pans
away because they only had one take, you see him go.
You see him go like this because he fucked up
the line and the camera just moves.
Speaker 3: I was like the movie Primer, you know at the
time travel movie. Oh, this was like it is known
as like the time travel movie. It's like a puzzle
box to figure out how it all fits together. It's
super small independent movie, but like they had at the
end of the director started it and so at the
end of a lot of scenes you'd see him say cut,
but he just cut the audio out. The scenes would
just end with him going, what.
Speaker 1: Was the other one?
Speaker 2: Boogie Knights?
Speaker 1: You ever see Boogie Knights? Yeah, when the guy's like
wife is having sex on the ground in front of everyone,
he like fucks up and he goes, she's got up
what is it?
Speaker 2: She's got an acid.
Speaker 1: Her cock, which makes no sense, but apparently he just
thought that was really funny and he left those I
believe yeah, yeah, because like that makes absolutely why would
you leave that in there.
Speaker 2: By this one, I'm like, I feel like that was rated.
Speaker 3: And then I guess I would also believe if she
said it wrong and they were like whatever, just leaving
nobody's watching.
Speaker 1: By this see uh uh, Spider Man's swinging around, and
then Electro goes zord on mode. He has a giant
head on a building.
Speaker 2: He's like, can you see me now?
Speaker 1: Spider Man's like, yeah, he's too powerful for water now.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: They try to do the water thing and he can't
do it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Willem Dafoe is singing itsy Bitsy Spider. Kind
of work for that character because he was like enjoying
being evil and he was like all crazy this one.
Electro is in electricity for him and it's just making
the itsy bitsy Spider sound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, at this point, like we have left
like a traditionally good movie so far behind, Yes, and
so I think we're at throw everything at the wall
and yeah, hearing a crazy Electro rendition of itsy bitsy Spider,
he does make the scene more entertaining. Yeah, it's a
stupid scene. It's very stupid. Now it's stupid and entertaining.
It's it's like every time his phone rings and it's
like bo babite.
Speaker 2: So the jumper cables made his webs magnetized.
Speaker 1: Why isn't he did it?
Speaker 3: Do it to his whole suit?
Speaker 2: Is the electricity it's like not working.
Speaker 3: There was a news report at one point where these
guys are like, oh, his suit must be like rubberized
or something. He found I think he did something to
his suit to protect him against electricity.
Speaker 2: He just how did he know what he needed that?
I guess we made.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was in that montage his exploited Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is annoying when superhero movies like the next suit's
just completely different. It's like explain how. Yeah, I like
when they explain how this isn't a movie.
Speaker 3: But in this Spider Man Insomniac game, he's like, I
don't know how to beat Doctor Octopus. She's like, you
help design his suit. So then he creates a new
Spider suit, but it's never clear what's different about this
Spider suit that makes it better suited for fighting a
guy with six arms.
Speaker 1: It's dumb looking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: It is like the worst.
Speaker 3: It's rubberized.
Speaker 1: Then again, I played most of that game with the
bombastic bag Man outfit, So what do I know? They're fighting.
Spider Man and Gwen argue and he's like, you gotta
get out of here. She's like, no, I choose to
be here, so she's pro choice. It's all like I choose,
It's my choice. Like, can you guys move faster on electricity?
Speaker 3: Man? I do think again. I always say with Andrew
Garfield that he can sell these moments and here where
he's got the mask on so he can't show his
facial expressions, so he really like overacts his arms. He's like, Gwen,
what are you doing here? But he sounds genuinely panicked,
and you know she's gonna die, So like that, I
felt it was very intense there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sees ghosts, so their plan is to like
overcharge him so they can murder that mentally challenged man.
I can't stress enough. It's not like how do we
get to help him? They're like, we're just gonna blow
him up?
Speaker 3: But are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: I'm like, seems a little mean for Spider Man. If
you had a black Symbiit suit, I'd buy into him,
but right now just seems really mean. Like yeah, We're
gonna blow him up. There's no reasoning with him. But
sure in the real world do that, but like in
the comic book universe, he's try.
Speaker 3: It's good to know where you stand. Should be super charged, and.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's an electricity man and I had to blow
him up, like not ta get eighty chances. But I'm
not a superhero, Gill. I'm not a superhero.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they overload him. He explodes and we even see
his little head battery go down.
Speaker 2: Stupid battery.
Speaker 3: It's like, who is that for? I don't know, doesn't
see it, So it's just like for any.
Speaker 1: This is what I don't get, Like he demateializes, so
is he rebuilding the head battery every single time?
Speaker 3: That's one of those superhero things we just accept, like
could turn invisible and like their clothes comes with them
or they teleport and it comes with them. Yes, you know,
except for in The Boys. Yeah, he becomes naked every time.
Speaker 1: I heard about that out of the Boys end, Were
you happy?
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet, don't spoil it for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch. I didn't watch it. Yeah, I
know I know what happens, but I don't care.
Speaker 3: I saw the tweets. I see yes.
Speaker 1: So they're dead and everyone's happy and it's all great.
And now this is the part where Spider Man fights
the Green Goblin. He literally just shows up. He's like,
now you have to fight me now, because we're at
that part of the movie. Feels like a video game.
I'm the final boss, like, oh, you are cool.
Speaker 3: And they didn't do anything to modify his voice. He's
just like putting on a voice like it's.
Speaker 1: And then he sees Gwen. Spider Man goes Gwen. He's like,
Gwen Stacy, that's the guy Peter likes, like your Peter Parker.
I hate you for not giving.
Speaker 2: Me your blood.
Speaker 1: And Peter should be like, well, I was kind afraid
what happened would happen. Yeah, I don't know if you know.
This kind of proves I'm right, actually you're a goblin.
Speaker 2: Also, why are you so good at gliding? How do
you know how to glide?
Speaker 1: Literally he's been Greek Uplin for like a like the
Quinn Stacy death was after like years of them fighting.
Speaker 3: Is a lot compressed. Yeah, not even into this movie,
into this subplot within this movie.
Speaker 1: At one point he flies them up, flies her up
so high, and Peter goes let her go, and he goes, okay,
poor choice. I have it here. I've seen the Dark
Night it was still that was still fresh too. It's like,
come on, So they fight in the clock tower. Remember
that watch from earlier. It's so you would you we
get to this scene with all the gears, you'd be like,
the watch? Did the watch play into this at all?
Speaker 3: It has gears?
Speaker 2: That's literally it. Yeah, that's literally it. That's so dumb.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're fighting and the whole time Gwen's following,
he has to keep catching her. And like any other movie,
this probably would have been an exciting scene. But at
this point, I'm just exhausted and I just want.
Speaker 3: To get my perk back up in this scene, really,
I get into it. Yeah. I think it's because I
was into all the Gwen I guess Peter Parker scenes.
It's just I buy the chemistry between them, and I've
gotten over the years. I've gotten better at like teasing
a movie apart and being able to enjoy individual components
of it even though the whole is not great. So
I can get back on board here, and I thought
it's very intense.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it could be.
Speaker 1: I think just for me, it's just like we just
had one really big battle and now we have just
another big battle.
Speaker 3: Are correct? Yeah, I think you have the correct opinion
on this movie. Yes, it's way too much green Goblin
is not.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: This would be an exciting scene maybe, like if you
watch this out of context, you would probably draw your
own conclusions on how they got there, but it'd be
pretty exciting. But yeah, it's just like, this isn't like
the end of a story they've been telling. It's literally
like it was sprinkled here and there, and it's literally
this whole conflict, like the physical altercation conflict. Start it
right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm I literally enjoy it on the
level of it's very sad when Gwen's Stacy dies. It
was sad in the comics and now I'm seeing that
rendered in live action. Yeah, totally forgetting the context of
the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the only time we get a pumpkin bomb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not too if we had, if we have that
other scene, we would ahead just not a suggestion to
put the way the scenes back in the movie and
make it even longer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're fighting. She falls and uh, uh
what you were called? Harry gets Harry gets knocked into
a wall and things fall over him.
Speaker 3: Which is like he's taking a lot of damage. Its
been a lot of punching. But like these pipes, these
are the things that was the one that did undoing.
Speaker 1: Some pipes fell on him and he's done. Yep, he's
no longer a threat.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Spider Man grabs on the rail and he shoots that.
Speaker 3: Web and she turns into a little hand. Yeah, it's
a little corny.
Speaker 1: Any other movie. If there were like, uh, if there
was like visual stuff like that throughout the film, kind
of like magical realism, shit, I would have bought it.
But much like the inner Monologue, rap song and the hallucinations,
this is like the only time it happens. And I'm like, no,
you didn't earn the webhand, you didn't earn.
Speaker 3: It at all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, catches her and of course she hits her
head on the way down.
Speaker 3: She dies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think in the comic she like snaps her.
Speaker 3: Next snaps her neck. Yeah. Yeah, and then he was
always unclear to me if like it was a next
snap here or her head hit the ground, but yeah,
either way, she's very clearly dead. This rain you Guardfield
kills me with this performance. Guess stay with me, Stay
with me. Yeah, And it's like not even a sign
of life at all. But he's going through emotions and
he can't accept it and it's heart wrenching, you know.
And then you go to the funeral and you go
to the montage.
Speaker 2: Wait, we go to the funeral, what about the green Goblin?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you go to the gentleman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well no, no, So so what happened was
I was telling you I found pictures of this. They
didn't release the scene he was gonna go back up
and like beat the shit out of Harry, and there's
scenes where it looks like he's about to murder him
and then he like stops himself. That would have been cool, Yeah,
but he he murdered Max a second ago.
Speaker 3: Well it's easier when they're made out of energy. You're like,
it doesn't really count anymore. He's barely even human.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why the kind of out it's like, well,
it's weird that he murdered. The guy was like, it's
weird that he murdered the sympathetic guy who this was
forced upon and not like the actual bad guy. So yeah,
that's why that end. Think it is just awkward. It's like, oh,
he's just down, and you're like, wait, what So the
whole thing with Harry in the prison, which we'll get
to was all at later on. Okay, but yeah, he
goes to the funeral. It's all sad, and then we
we realize he quits being Spider Man and the months
go by.
Speaker 3: There's another note from Figy where he's like does it
have to be a year? Like why does a year
have to go by?
Speaker 2: I think they switched it to five months?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeahs to him, all right.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then and then what you would have gotten
was the payoff for all the dad and parent shit
where you found out that Richard Parker was alive the
whole time. It's Peter. Sorry, yeah, not my father. I
am your father, Peter. And they used this to sell
the Blu Ray. They put this in the commercial like
find the deleted scene with Peter Parker's dad, and it
turns out he's been alive the entire time. Does he
know he's Spider Man? I guess he assumes he's Spider
Man because he has spider I mean.
Speaker 3: He created the spiders and everything. It's only compatible with Peter.
Speaker 1: And he made a promise to their mom that he
would only show up if he knew he really needed him.
Speaker 3: It's pretty convenient that he could just like decide when
that is. Yeah, and he's just like, you gotta I decided.
It was five months after your girlfriend died.
Speaker 2: And he's got like the big fake beard and stuff.
I guess, I guess he's.
Speaker 1: Now no longer being searched for maybe I don't know,
but he's like, you gotta be Spider Man again or something.
Speaker 3: It was very stupid, and he says the line.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he does say the line. But like, as
dumb as this is on a script level, this should
have never been done.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: No, but if you're gonna have all this dad shit
and dad shit, like, at least give us the payoff
because it feels like you wasted.
Speaker 3: Our time now it does. But the scene is horrible.
It is. It's bad sealed again. He's acting as hard.
He's like, your dad, dad, what are you doing here?
And he's like, I'm a live son.
Speaker 1: You just hate Campbell Scott don't you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you I won't. The last two
movies I saw with him where Rastic World Dominion and
having rewatched this well and ither one does he really
give it?
Speaker 1: I told Gil to listen to the Shining Audio book
so you can hear Campbell Scott's black voice.
Speaker 2: It's great, it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1: Uh. He's an okay actor. I loved his father, George C. Scott, Yes,
brilliant actor.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And George Scott was always yelling. I mean he
was an alcoholic. To be fair, maybe that should Campbell
Scott start becoming a severe alcoholic.
Speaker 3: And that I blame this on the direction. I think
they probably told him to be subdued. But it just
it doesn't mean we how do we engage with this character.
He's giving us nothing. All we have for him is animosity. Yeah,
he's bad at planning a runaway from an evil corporation.
He abandoned his son, and it doesn't seem like yeah,
So this scene just I think it was the right
call to remove it, because yes, it gets sort of
the payoff, but by this point people are like, I
want to get out of a feeder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they cut that and said he's just sad
and sad.
Speaker 3: And then but just to make it explicit, though, the
dad's says to him, with great power comes great responsibility,
and that's what gets him to be Spider Man again.
I gues yeah, and instead to have May give him
kind of a speech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just like, yeah, I'm packing up Ben's stuff.
He's like, to get right of it. She's like, no,
but it helps me. The heavier the boxes, the lighter
I am. Basically she's saying like, hey, maybe, uh, stop
being a cry baby, get over your dead girlfriend.
Speaker 3: That's kind of what she's saying. You remember what your
uncle always used to say, when you have power, there's
like a responsibility thing, and it's like moral, that's what's
at steak here, Peter.
Speaker 1: She really they should have did something like that where
it's like it's like a Susan's mom not remembering Jerry
star Trek.
Speaker 2: Quote something about away and I like, who can remember?
Speaker 3: You're You're right, May I do have a power responsibility thing.
I gotta go. Uh.
Speaker 1: She I think it's almost implied that she knows Peter's
Spider Many shame about that Spider guy, but yeah, he
hears Uh, we get to see uh fucking the Green
Goblin meet with Gustav Fring.
Speaker 3: Was his name? No, that's that's that's the character that's
breaking bad Fring. I think his name was similar, though,
I mean, I know he goes by the gentleman.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Oh, Gustave Fears. Fears go Gustave Fears who.
We still have no idea who he is or what
his connection is. Is he really in charge of oscoorg?
Speaker 3: They see, you can't just have a mystery just be like,
there's a guy. Okay, aren't you wanting who is this guy? Okay? Yeah?
Who is he? That? That's not enough of a mystery.
It's the equivalent of the end of was it Halloween
four or five? Where you just see a guy walking
with like black boots five but he breaks mount of jail. Yeah, okay,
it's it's it's a it's a guy. It's like, that's
enough of a mystery to be like, I gotta see
the next one, yeh, to see who this guy is.
Speaker 1: And then they fumbled it. Both versions of that movie
fumbled it.
Speaker 3: I mean I would say it was already fumbled in
Halloween five. Yeah, and someone tried really hard to unfumble it,
but there was.
Speaker 1: Tarantino said he tried to write a sequel. He's like,
I couldn't figure out who the fuck that guy is
and they didn't know. I asked him who he was
and they went, oh, we don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just threw that in them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you should have just said like that
was Norman in the first one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would.
Speaker 1: It have made a little bit more sense. But then
because we got to build up to the Sinister six
spinoff movie for some reason, he's just like, yeah, now
that your goblin stuff is under control, it comes and goes, Yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna be bad guys and we're gonna
stop Spider Man to do bad guy things. He's like,
I want to team how many people? Let's keep it small.
They're not saying six yet. It's like, who's our first candidate?
And he should be like, I don't know, the lizard.
We can make him the lizard again. Apparently he doesn't count.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, there's this crazy rushing guy. We can
give him a motorized rhino suit and he will just
walk around shooting things.
Speaker 2: That was their plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really know what is the motivation here? Like,
the whole thing for Harry was that he wanted Peter's blood. Okay,
I guess now he wants revenge?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
Speaker 3: He wants to put together a whole team of super
villains to get revenge on Spider Man.
Speaker 1: It's literally just because they had a movie lined up.
Speaker 3: I then, what's the gentleman's role in all this? Why
is he so jazzed about a Sinister six?
Speaker 1: I don't know. They should have been smite actually, that
would have.
Speaker 3: Made more sense. Yeah, and they want to hold back
on saying Sinister six, similar to in the MCU where
they held off on saying Avengers assembled up until endgame
and they earned that to an extent. But here it's like,
are they expecting audiences to be like sinister kame on
say it? You didn't come anywhere close to her?
Speaker 1: No, And then Gustave goes into the bad Guy factory
and pulls out. So I think the original version I
think just the Rhino came back with armor. I don't
know if it was tied to Oscorp, but they said
apparently people were confused since they cut out the fighting
scene with Harry people were like, well, what happened to Harry.
They're like, oh, we should probably should probably reveal what
happened to Harry in the final cut of this film.
They're like, oh, we can get him in for reshoot.
We don't have the makeup, so let's have a line
saying it comes and goes. It's like, oh cool, So
I think maybe the original ending Paul Giamati was just unrelated. Okay,
he just came back for revenge, but now it's like
he's part of this team or something stupid. And then
the little kid who's an idiot walks down in the
Spider Man outfit to stop him, and the Rhinos like, well,
I'm gonna go murder this child by the way, he's
talking with all the armor up, and I'm like, he's distracted.
Snipe them, snipe them, snipe them. And then this.
Speaker 2: Finally gets the real Spider Man to come back.
Speaker 3: I'll take it from me a kid, yeah, and then
it ends with the.
Speaker 1: Shot they showed and all the trailers of him fighting
the I know, and then it.
Speaker 3: Just cuts yeah but bu bu bu um.
Speaker 1: And then the credits play over blueprints and technical specs
for other bad guys.
Speaker 2: We see the Vulture again.
Speaker 1: I think we see Craven Spear and everything, all stuff
that we well, we technically would see in other movies,
but not the movies that they were intended.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Apparently after this movie it performed again. It performed
well for a movie, but not for a Spider Man movie.
It was worse. It performed worse than the first one.
So I was heading in the wrong direction, and Amy
Pascal was trying to the producer. She was trying to
correct that by saying, Okay, let's delay Amazing Spider Man three.
Let's pull up Sinister six. I had the plan was
to have Sinister six come out two years after this
in twenty sixteen, and then two years later is going
to be Amazing Spider Man three.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But then I think part of what happened is that
in the Sony League it came out that she and
Kevin Feigy had that conversation yeah about bringing Spider Man
into the MCU. When fans heard about it, they were like,
we could have had that movie. Uh, And they were like,
all right, let's uh, let's reconsider.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then just two years later, Spider Man shows up
in Captain America's Civil War yep. Which it's so crazy
because these these, uh, the Andrew Garfield movies to me
feel like a different era. It feels like pre MCU.
But you forget that the beginning, like you said, the
first Amazing Spider Man was the year the Avengers came out,
to the MCU was in full swing.
Speaker 1: Yep. It's crazy, And there was still a little wiggle
room after that first one where you could have probably worked.
Speaker 3: It in, maybe saying to try and combine Amazing Spider
Man into the MCU.
Speaker 1: Would have been a little clunky, but you could have
done it.
Speaker 3: And they, you know, Marvel was smart with with casting
Peter Parker, where they're like, let's cast someone high school
aged so we can actually squeeze like six or seven
movies out of him. And the DCU is like you,
you bring it up so often, but it's so funny
that they were let's bring in a seventy year old
Michael Keaton to be our Batman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so terrible. I think at the time when you
saw this in theaters, the post credit sequence was a
scene from X Men Days of Future Past, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Which I'm sure confused general audiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a hype up that movie because
it came out the same year, and that was then
being like, we'll show Marvel we can make our own movies.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, X Men maybe, but not for long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, X Men, that's not even affiliated with them, because
now Tony X Men is fine. Yea, they're just trying
to confuse everybody. Yeah, so that was dumb.
Speaker 1: This movie's got worse. It's it's more fun to watch
than the previous one. Yeah, but it's still really bad.
These are both really really bad. If you would like
to hear me talk more, I forgot to mention it
in this one. I did commentary tracks for both when
we were preparing for No Way Home mea Movie Dumpster.
We have commentary tracks available for both of these films.
But I'm glad I finally went back and revisited them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and for me to bring it all back,
like they brought back that little nerd kid from the
start of the year. Now it's bring this back. So
for me, I would generally prefer to rewatch this movie
to Spider Man three, yeah, because they're both a mess.
This one's a more fun mess. And now I'm remembering
Bully Maguire though. Yeah, No.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Okay, So it depends on my mood because to me,
the tie breaker is Gwen Stacy's death. That hits hard
for me every time. And that's the measure of a
movie is how much can it make you feel something.
There's another level too of what kind of impact doesn't
leave on you? But Spider Man three and Amazing Spider
Man two are not leaving me with some like deep
complex themes and I'm contemplating years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're both not great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why I even bother to put one over these?
Speaker 1: I just don't get the people who want to like
shit on the Tom hall I thin, it's fine if
you don't like the Tom Hollins, like I get it,
but to be like, yep, they had it with Andrew Garver, like, no,
they didn't.
Speaker 3: This is bad, really bad. He's a good actor, but
they did not give him.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad Jamie Fox got to come back
and not be blue, which I remember is announcement post
is like and this time I won't be blue.
Speaker 3: That was the most they marketed that movie such a
bizarre way. We're like the first casting announcement was like,
Jamie Fox is Electro and everyone was like everyone hated
to see the same Electro from the pre Is this
how you announced like a multiverse crossover?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But you know what, it was kind of in retrospect
brilliant because they basically said without saying, Toby Maguire Andrew
Garfield are obviously going to be in this movie. It
was like the worst enough doubt where I was like,
I gotta find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it was enough to get me into the I
mean I would have gone anyway, enough to get people
generally into the theater, but not so much that it
spoils a surprise, like when Andrew Garfield showed up in
No Way Home, Like my theater went crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's kind of brilliant in retrospect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I never want to revisit this universe ever again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good closing the book on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're good, We're good. Me don need we don't
need it. Uh, but yeah, that is it from us.
Speaker 1: I hope everyone's enjoying the New Spider Man. I hope
it's doing well, but you know it's probably getting like
just hammered by Supergirl, which I'm sure went all strong
all month of July. I'm super I'm sure with like
Super Girls, like the Next Obsession, people were just seeing
it over and over and over and over again. Any
other predictions we want to.
Speaker 3: Make James Gunn is leaving the DCU and he's gonna
swap places, Kevin Figs taking over the DCU. Gun's gonna
take the MCU.
Speaker 1: And uh Gil by the end of July. That means
we've got Boys Month on the way, Boys Month, Boys
Month four, We got poisone four coming up. Oh, this
is gonna be a great, huge hit every year. I'm
so excited for Boys Month four.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Uh so stay tuned for that. Gil, do you know
what you have coming out in August? If you do,
this would be a good time to promote it.
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aiming for August. Hopefully I can. I can make it happen.
I'll update it for everything in the MCU up to
and including Spider Man Brand New Day. Okay, and then
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