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Speaker 2: of course, a sad and tragic day.
Speaker 3: We will be talking with.
Speaker 4: iHeartMedia Aviation next for Jay Ratliffe, that horrific plane crash
Speaker 4: in India. He'll join the program at the bottom of
Speaker 4: the hour, as he does every Thursday. I am pleased
Speaker 4: to welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show
Speaker 4: from the Cincinnati Enquirer. Somebody's at least reporting on local things.
Speaker 4: Scott Whartman, welcome back to the morning show. It's always
Speaker 4: great having you on.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Brian.
Speaker 4: Something I think everybody was talking about, at least of late,
Speaker 4: one of many murders in the city of Cincinnati, but
Speaker 4: rather horrific and under really really tragic circumstances, the death
Speaker 4: of I guess you did have to have pro Bowl
Speaker 4: met with Sarah Handinger regarding her husband's slaying in their
Speaker 4: home by a guy who was supposed to be on
Speaker 4: an ankle monitor who cut it off. In February was
Speaker 4: widely reported by from others an announcement from police Chief
Speaker 4: Teresa Thiji they did not even know that that guy
Speaker 4: was at large. Talk about a breakdown in the system.
Speaker 4: What's your what's your analysis? And after talking with the
Speaker 4: folks involved with the AFTABS, meeting with Sarah Henninger.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the city had been quiet in
Speaker 1: the days following the incident, and then on Wednesday, the
Speaker 1: mayor met with Sarah Henninger, the wife of the man
Speaker 1: that was stabbed in their home and over the rhine,
Speaker 1: and he basically listened to her concerns because she's been
Speaker 1: very vocal on social media that she wants changed so
Speaker 1: this doesn't happen again. She feels the system broke down
Speaker 1: after the suspect cut his ankle, monitor off, he fell
Speaker 1: off the map, and basically with the mayor and the
Speaker 1: police chief, they were both in the meeting on Wednesday morning,
Speaker 1: they said that they were not notified. The police chief
Speaker 1: issued pretty strongly worded eight minute video statement that evening
Speaker 1: after the meeting saying that, you know, blaming the state
Speaker 1: for not notifying her and that's kind of like the
Speaker 1: big question here, who was responsible? We haven't really gotten
Speaker 1: an answer on that yet. The state hasn't really responded
Speaker 1: on exactly you know how that was supposed to work.
Speaker 1: But from sources I talked to, they said that he
Speaker 1: was notified, like it was flagged in the system, and
Speaker 1: they were looking for him actively. So you know how
Speaker 1: that should have worked. We're still trying to answer that.
Speaker 4: Well, the question then is they were looking for them
Speaker 4: if if the since I Police Department didn't get alerted
Speaker 4: that he was out and about and had cut off
Speaker 4: his ankle monitor and fled the halfway home, and so
Speaker 4: he was at large. Obviously a demonstrably violent man given
Speaker 4: the reason he was locked up previously. He went on
Speaker 4: to commit another robbery then and then ultimately we have
Speaker 4: the murder of Patrick.
Speaker 3: Henger.
Speaker 4: Yes, it wasn't the Ohio Parole Board that was responsible
Speaker 4: for monitoring him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was the state. He was under the
Speaker 1: state supervision. And again the details on exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: we're still sorting out how that was supposed to work.
Speaker 1: But he was, he served a nine year prison sentence,
Speaker 1: was put on supervised release, and then when he cut
Speaker 1: off his ankle monitor, they didn't really know where he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, see that to me sounds like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's one of those things you see in movies. Issue
Speaker 4: in all points bullet and we got a dangerous guy
Speaker 4: who's cut off his ankle monitor. He's probably up to
Speaker 4: no good given his criminal conduct in the past. Here's
Speaker 4: a picture of him. Here's crime stopper bad guy. The
Speaker 4: week we do that every week on the morning show.
Speaker 4: Was there a crime stopper alert out there on him?
Speaker 4: Were the police department provided with photos and information? And
Speaker 4: you know where he typically hangs out is wherever? That's
Speaker 4: it seems to me just should be the normal order
Speaker 4: of business. But if the police department's not notified about it,
Speaker 4: then they're not going to be out looking for him.
Speaker 3: Duh, right, yeah, and that.
Speaker 1: Is These are some of the answers that Sarah Henninger
Speaker 1: and the city want to get coming out of this.
Speaker 1: And these are answers of right now we just don't.
Speaker 4: Have, Okay, And I know some of the reforms that
Speaker 4: Sarah Harringer was asking for, it's signed to me based
Speaker 4: on the reporting I read the AFTAB provol was in
Speaker 4: a cord and had no objection to what she was
Speaker 4: asking for, and also was desirous of bringing about some
Speaker 4: change to the system. So at least it doesn't sound
Speaker 4: like he's being an obstructionist.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, when he met with her, it sounded
Speaker 1: like he listened to her concerns and he agreed that
Speaker 1: it was unacceptable that those were his words in the
Speaker 1: statement that he released and vowed the work with her.
Speaker 1: And she said that she's going to be very public
Speaker 1: as she works with the city to keep everyone notified
Speaker 1: of what's happening and kind of keep the heat on
Speaker 1: to see that something happened and that there is some
Speaker 1: meaningful change.
Speaker 4: Well, it was a business owner and over the Ryan,
Speaker 4: I think there were residents of over the Ryan. Patrick
Speaker 4: Herringer had a gym there active in the community. By
Speaker 4: all accounts, are really terrific guy, and I can certainly
Speaker 4: understand her being devastated by this, but I think her
Speaker 4: online social media posts have been quite reasonable, and in
Speaker 4: spite of her current circumstances and her grief, I think
Speaker 4: everything that she said out loud are legitimate, you know,
Speaker 4: rather than just being vile and angry and screaming and yelling.
Speaker 4: I mean, she's asking for some very legitimate reforms. So
Speaker 4: one can only pray that this tragedy does result in
Speaker 4: a more efficient system because obviously there was some sort
Speaker 4: of breakdown here that doesn't look like it should have happened. Now,
Speaker 4: whether they would have found him or not, no one
Speaker 4: can answer that question. But if you don't know the
Speaker 4: guys out there, you're not going to be looking for him.
Speaker 4: Which that's the elephant in the room on this one.
Speaker 4: Scott pivoting over.
Speaker 1: And the crime really has devastated the over the Rhine community.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those things. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was someone killed in their own home, you know, it's
Speaker 1: really I mean, it's rightly you know, hit a nerve
Speaker 1: and caused you know, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: stress on the over the Ryan community.
Speaker 3: Which I think is already stressed out.
Speaker 4: One of the things that came out during this in
Speaker 4: the aftermath of this tragedy bad optics for the city.
Speaker 4: Who tries to paint this you know beautiful, you know, rainbows,
Speaker 4: Puppy Dog's kind of picture of the environment in downtown CINCINNTI.
Speaker 4: Crime apparently has soared forty eight percent year over and
Speaker 4: over the Rhine alone, with regard to property crimes and
Speaker 4: break ins and car thefts and car breakings and all that.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound good, but I.
Speaker 1: Do believe looking at some of the crime statistics, I
Speaker 1: think overall, like violent crime is down. It doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean anything, but it's sometimes hard to read the year
Speaker 1: the year data because there can be ambivalent, you know,
Speaker 1: conclusions that are drawn from it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know, but see one of the interesting
Speaker 4: points that was made and I can't remember where I
Speaker 4: read it, but violent crime maybe down, and that would
Speaker 4: be like murders.
Speaker 3: In the city overall.
Speaker 4: But if you look at different areas, different communities or
Speaker 4: different neighborhoods, like over the Rhine, that's when you find
Speaker 4: out that, in fact, no, a lot of crime is
Speaker 4: up in any given area. So the statistics tend to
Speaker 4: mask sometimes the reality of what anybody's actually dealing with
Speaker 4: on a day to day basis in the communities. So
Speaker 4: we'll I'm looking for follow up reporting from Scott Wortman
Speaker 4: on the whole situation with the parole Board and what
Speaker 4: they actually do and how things are monitored and how
Speaker 4: they keep track of these folks that are out on
Speaker 4: bail with ankle monitors. There is a piece on aft
Speaker 4: have purval getting fined fifty dollars. Doesn't sound like a
Speaker 4: big slap on the wrist there with fifty bucks. What
Speaker 4: was the reason he had to pay fifty bucks for
Speaker 4: this campaign issue?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ohio Elections Commission, which is the one that
Speaker 1: levied the fine. I mean generally, I mean that's actually
Speaker 1: kind of a hefty fine for them, because it's generally
Speaker 1: seen as I don't know, necessarily want to say toothless,
Speaker 1: but they usually aren't like severe consequences that are handed
Speaker 1: down for violations. But it was an issue. Kurt Hartman,
Speaker 1: he's a Republican attorney, often files a lot of complaints
Speaker 1: and actions against politicis.
Speaker 3: You've views a lot of.
Speaker 1: Election commission or election campaign finance filings. Noticed that there
Speaker 1: was debt on have to have pyrival's last campaign finance
Speaker 1: report that wasn't it was like six four to eight
Speaker 1: years old, and his contention was that it was eighty
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars worth of debt to three firms, a
Speaker 1: law firm and some consulting firms. His contention was, well,
Speaker 1: if it's that old, it's basically a campaign contribution and
Speaker 1: should be reported as such.
Speaker 4: So that free le basically free legal services were rendered
Speaker 4: on his part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was mister Hartman's argument. And then the
Speaker 1: Elections Commission they just ruled. They didn't really much about
Speaker 1: it other than that it was an incomplete report. They
Speaker 1: said that the mayor amended the report and then just
Speaker 1: levied a fifty dollars fine basically, and that's that's what came.
Speaker 3: Of that, all right. Did he have to pay the
Speaker 3: law firms back.
Speaker 1: Well, he's according to aftab Zone attorney, he's currently repaying
Speaker 1: the loans since Hartman's complaint. And so Kurt Hartman pointed
Speaker 1: that out. As you know, nothing was being done on
Speaker 1: this until I raised the issue, and so yeah, that
Speaker 1: was definitely part of it.
Speaker 4: Fair enough, there'd be some lawyers with a happy smiley
Speaker 4: face getting paid for the work that they did, all right.
Speaker 1: I know he got more attention for the fifty dollars
Speaker 1: just for it being a fifty dollars fine than anything.
Speaker 3: It is a slap on the wrist. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know what people expect by way of.
Speaker 4: Fines from the Oversight Committee high Elections Commission, but as
Speaker 4: you illustrate, they rarely do this. So even a fifty
Speaker 4: dollars fine is a higher level than most. So clearly
Speaker 4: there was a violation here, and that's what they concluded.
Speaker 3: Are pivoting over.
Speaker 4: You teamed up with Dan Horne to write an article
Speaker 4: about the Cincinnti firefighters and the fire fire department survey
Speaker 4: didn't paint a really pretty picture, did it, Scott.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean only a quarter of the firefighters responded,
Speaker 1: which I guess if you look at a lot of
Speaker 1: companies when they do those surveys, that's not necessarily unusual.
Speaker 1: But the ones that responded, no, we're not happy with
Speaker 1: their jobs. They felt like they're not being listed into
Speaker 1: by management. They felt that the hiring practices were not fair,
Speaker 1: that the promotions were not fair. This is something the
Speaker 1: work environment at the fire department. It's been a long
Speaker 1: standing issue. The previous fire chief was fired for allegedly
Speaker 1: creating a hostile work environment according to the or not
Speaker 1: addressing a hostile work environment, and so this has been
Speaker 1: an issue that's that's been ruminating in the fire department
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 4: That was fire chief Frank McKinley. According to reporting that
Speaker 4: he's fighting that allegation in his discharge is he.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Frank McKinley is the current one Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, Chief Washington, Yes, and yeah, he is
Speaker 1: currently fighting that.
Speaker 4: Correct, Who prompted this survey, whose idea or who is
Speaker 4: behind the survey of the firefighters, because I would really
Speaker 4: like to see one of the inst Police department because
Speaker 4: from all I've heard about that, and I have quite
Speaker 4: a few inside sources there, things aren't that good by
Speaker 4: way of morality the inst Police department.
Speaker 1: Well, according to the city manager, this is part of
Speaker 1: an overall assessment of the department and they're going to
Speaker 1: have a report in a month or two with recommendations
Speaker 1: on how to make improvements and improve the morality the
Speaker 1: fire department. So, I mean that's something that in the
Speaker 1: next month or two we shall hopefully we'll get more
Speaker 1: clear answers.
Speaker 4: To Yeah, but it was it's your report of this.
Speaker 4: This survey was conducted by last fall by a private firm.
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, was that at Sherry Long's initiation or
Speaker 4: was it the uh the fire department union's behest I'm
Speaker 4: just wondering who was behind the survey itself.
Speaker 1: Well, at that point, at this point, we we aren't
Speaker 1: clear because the city manager hasn't said anything beyond what
Speaker 1: we had in the story, and the report has not
Speaker 1: been released wasn't released publicly yet, we had obtained a
Speaker 1: copy of it, and uh so at this point it's
Speaker 1: not quite clear.
Speaker 3: All right, have you just before we part company?
Speaker 4: They Scott Warton from the Cincinnion Choir you can find
Speaker 4: on line at cincinny dot com. Connie Pillich released the
Speaker 4: statement yesterday that I found rather troubling personally, but it
Speaker 4: seemed to be rather unprofessional for a Hamilton County prosecutor
Speaker 4: to issue this. It's regarded that no King's nationwide dad
Speaker 4: defiance which has taken place on Saturday, attacking without meaning
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, but clearly directed toward Donald Trump and his administration.
Speaker 3: Did you see that by any chance?
Speaker 1: I saw some online chatter about it, but I'll be honesity,
Speaker 1: I have not really delved into that too much.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just curious if you might consider reaching
Speaker 4: out to her for an explanation, because she points out
Speaker 4: her job as to prosecute crime.
Speaker 3: She goes.
Speaker 4: But all this is against the backdrop of such unconstitutional
Speaker 4: lawless at the federal level by an incompetent, childish, selfish,
Speaker 4: uneducated jackal who threatens our very democracy every day. Even worse,
Speaker 4: he is backed up by vile humans whose acts and
Speaker 4: advice indicate that they want to destroy our democracy and
Speaker 4: then ask people to join her on Saturday with the
Speaker 4: not Kings nationwide Native Defiance image there So it just
Speaker 4: seemed to be rather unprofessional for MI and my listeners. Standpoint,
Speaker 4: I thought might be worthy story to follow up with
Speaker 4: Connie pillach On Scott.
Speaker 1: I'll put it on the list.
Speaker 3: There you go. Hey, You're always welcome here.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you right about local stories so we can all
Speaker 4: understand what's going on in the city of Cincinnati. Scott,
Speaker 4: and I'll look forward to having you on again, and
Speaker 4: I hope you have a wonderful balance of the week
Speaker 4: you too. Thank you very much, Thanks Scott. It's a
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