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<v Speaker 1>Dad taught me how to swear and listen to your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody asked him Happy Father's Day, just like thank you Pop,

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<v Speaker 2>Love you Daddy. Fifty five KRS the talk station. Heyo

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<v Speaker 2>by the fifty five kr CED talk station. Happy Friday Eve,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, a sad and tragic day.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be talking with.

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<v Speaker 4>iHeartMedia Aviation next for Jay Ratliffe, that horrific plane crash

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<v Speaker 4>in India. He'll join the program at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 4>the hour, as he does every Thursday. I am pleased

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<v Speaker 4>to welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show

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<v Speaker 4>from the Cincinnati Enquirer. Somebody's at least reporting on local things.

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<v Speaker 4>Scott Whartman, welcome back to the morning show. It's always

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<v Speaker 4>great having you on.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>Something I think everybody was talking about, at least of late,

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<v Speaker 4>one of many murders in the city of Cincinnati, but

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<v Speaker 4>rather horrific and under really really tragic circumstances, the death

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<v Speaker 4>of I guess you did have to have pro Bowl

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<v Speaker 4>met with Sarah Handinger regarding her husband's slaying in their

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<v Speaker 4>home by a guy who was supposed to be on

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<v Speaker 4>an ankle monitor who cut it off. In February was

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<v Speaker 4>widely reported by from others an announcement from police Chief

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<v Speaker 4>Teresa Thiji they did not even know that that guy

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<v Speaker 4>was at large. Talk about a breakdown in the system.

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<v Speaker 4>What's your what's your analysis? And after talking with the

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<v Speaker 4>folks involved with the AFTABS, meeting with Sarah Henninger.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of the city had been quiet in

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<v Speaker 1>the days following the incident, and then on Wednesday, the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor met with Sarah Henninger, the wife of the man

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<v Speaker 1>that was stabbed in their home and over the rhine,

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<v Speaker 1>and he basically listened to her concerns because she's been

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<v Speaker 1>very vocal on social media that she wants changed so

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't happen again. She feels the system broke down

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<v Speaker 1>after the suspect cut his ankle, monitor off, he fell

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<v Speaker 1>off the map, and basically with the mayor and the

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<v Speaker 1>police chief, they were both in the meeting on Wednesday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>they said that they were not notified. The police chief

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<v Speaker 1>issued pretty strongly worded eight minute video statement that evening

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<v Speaker 1>after the meeting saying that, you know, blaming the state

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<v Speaker 1>for not notifying her and that's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>big question here, who was responsible? We haven't really gotten

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<v Speaker 1>an answer on that yet. The state hasn't really responded

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<v Speaker 1>on exactly you know how that was supposed to work.

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<v Speaker 1>But from sources I talked to, they said that he

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<v Speaker 1>was notified, like it was flagged in the system, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking for him actively. So you know how

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<v Speaker 1>that should have worked. We're still trying to answer that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the question then is they were looking for them

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<v Speaker 4>if if the since I Police Department didn't get alerted

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<v Speaker 4>that he was out and about and had cut off

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<v Speaker 4>his ankle monitor and fled the halfway home, and so

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<v Speaker 4>he was at large. Obviously a demonstrably violent man given

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<v Speaker 4>the reason he was locked up previously. He went on

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<v Speaker 4>to commit another robbery then and then ultimately we have

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<v Speaker 4>the murder of Patrick.

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<v Speaker 3>Henger.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it wasn't the Ohio Parole Board that was responsible

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<v Speaker 4>for monitoring him.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was the state. He was under the

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<v Speaker 1>state supervision. And again the details on exactly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're still sorting out how that was supposed to work.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was, he served a nine year prison sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>was put on supervised release, and then when he cut

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<v Speaker 1>off his ankle monitor, they didn't really know where he was.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, see that to me sounds like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's one of those things you see in movies. Issue

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<v Speaker 4>in all points bullet and we got a dangerous guy

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<v Speaker 4>who's cut off his ankle monitor. He's probably up to

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<v Speaker 4>no good given his criminal conduct in the past. Here's

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<v Speaker 4>a picture of him. Here's crime stopper bad guy. The

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<v Speaker 4>week we do that every week on the morning show.

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<v Speaker 4>Was there a crime stopper alert out there on him?

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<v Speaker 4>Were the police department provided with photos and information? And

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<v Speaker 4>you know where he typically hangs out is wherever? That's

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<v Speaker 4>it seems to me just should be the normal order

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<v Speaker 4>of business. But if the police department's not notified about it,

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<v Speaker 4>then they're not going to be out looking for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Duh, right, yeah, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is These are some of the answers that Sarah Henninger

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<v Speaker 1>and the city want to get coming out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are answers of right now we just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Have, Okay, And I know some of the reforms that

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah Harringer was asking for, it's signed to me based

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<v Speaker 4>on the reporting I read the AFTAB provol was in

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<v Speaker 4>a cord and had no objection to what she was

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<v Speaker 4>asking for, and also was desirous of bringing about some

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<v Speaker 4>change to the system. So at least it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 4>like he's being an obstructionist.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I mean, when he met with her, it sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like he listened to her concerns and he agreed that

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<v Speaker 1>it was unacceptable that those were his words in the

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<v Speaker 1>statement that he released and vowed the work with her.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said that she's going to be very public

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<v Speaker 1>as she works with the city to keep everyone notified

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<v Speaker 1>of what's happening and kind of keep the heat on

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<v Speaker 1>to see that something happened and that there is some

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful change.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was a business owner and over the Ryan,

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<v Speaker 4>I think there were residents of over the Ryan. Patrick

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<v Speaker 4>Herringer had a gym there active in the community. By

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<v Speaker 4>all accounts, are really terrific guy, and I can certainly

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<v Speaker 4>understand her being devastated by this, but I think her

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<v Speaker 4>online social media posts have been quite reasonable, and in

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<v Speaker 4>spite of her current circumstances and her grief, I think

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<v Speaker 4>everything that she said out loud are legitimate, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>rather than just being vile and angry and screaming and yelling.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she's asking for some very legitimate reforms. So

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<v Speaker 4>one can only pray that this tragedy does result in

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<v Speaker 4>a more efficient system because obviously there was some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of breakdown here that doesn't look like it should have happened. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>whether they would have found him or not, no one

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<v Speaker 4>can answer that question. But if you don't know the

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<v Speaker 4>guys out there, you're not going to be looking for him.

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<v Speaker 4>Which that's the elephant in the room on this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Scott pivoting over.

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<v Speaker 1>And the crime really has devastated the over the Rhine community.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one of those things. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was someone killed in their own home, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really I mean, it's rightly you know, hit a nerve

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<v Speaker 1>and caused you know, a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stress on the over the Ryan community.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I think is already stressed out.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the things that came out during this in

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<v Speaker 4>the aftermath of this tragedy bad optics for the city.

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<v Speaker 4>Who tries to paint this you know beautiful, you know, rainbows,

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<v Speaker 4>Puppy Dog's kind of picture of the environment in downtown CINCINNTI.

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<v Speaker 4>Crime apparently has soared forty eight percent year over and

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<v Speaker 4>over the Rhine alone, with regard to property crimes and

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<v Speaker 4>break ins and car thefts and car breakings and all that.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't sound good, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do believe looking at some of the crime statistics, I

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<v Speaker 1>think overall, like violent crime is down. It doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything, but it's sometimes hard to read the year

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<v Speaker 1>the year data because there can be ambivalent, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>conclusions that are drawn from it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I know, but see one of the interesting

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<v Speaker 4>points that was made and I can't remember where I

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<v Speaker 4>read it, but violent crime maybe down, and that would

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<v Speaker 4>be like murders.

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<v Speaker 3>In the city overall.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you look at different areas, different communities or

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<v Speaker 4>different neighborhoods, like over the Rhine, that's when you find

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<v Speaker 4>out that, in fact, no, a lot of crime is

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<v Speaker 4>up in any given area. So the statistics tend to

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<v Speaker 4>mask sometimes the reality of what anybody's actually dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>on a day to day basis in the communities. So

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<v Speaker 4>we'll I'm looking for follow up reporting from Scott Wortman

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<v Speaker 4>on the whole situation with the parole Board and what

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<v Speaker 4>they actually do and how things are monitored and how

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<v Speaker 4>they keep track of these folks that are out on

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<v Speaker 4>bail with ankle monitors. There is a piece on aft

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<v Speaker 4>have purval getting fined fifty dollars. Doesn't sound like a

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<v Speaker 4>big slap on the wrist there with fifty bucks. What

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<v Speaker 4>was the reason he had to pay fifty bucks for

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<v Speaker 4>this campaign issue?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Ohio Elections Commission, which is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>levied the fine. I mean generally, I mean that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a hefty fine for them, because it's generally

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<v Speaker 1>seen as I don't know, necessarily want to say toothless,

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<v Speaker 1>but they usually aren't like severe consequences that are handed

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<v Speaker 1>down for violations. But it was an issue. Kurt Hartman,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Republican attorney, often files a lot of complaints

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<v Speaker 1>and actions against politicis.

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<v Speaker 3>You've views a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Election commission or election campaign finance filings. Noticed that there

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<v Speaker 1>was debt on have to have pyrival's last campaign finance

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<v Speaker 1>report that wasn't it was like six four to eight

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and his contention was that it was eighty

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand dollars worth of debt to three firms, a

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<v Speaker 1>law firm and some consulting firms. His contention was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's that old, it's basically a campaign contribution and

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<v Speaker 1>should be reported as such.

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<v Speaker 4>So that free le basically free legal services were rendered

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<v Speaker 4>on his part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was mister Hartman's argument. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>Elections Commission they just ruled. They didn't really much about

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<v Speaker 1>it other than that it was an incomplete report. They

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<v Speaker 1>said that the mayor amended the report and then just

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<v Speaker 1>levied a fifty dollars fine basically, and that's that's what came.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that, all right. Did he have to pay the

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<v Speaker 3>law firms back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's according to aftab Zone attorney, he's currently repaying

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<v Speaker 1>the loans since Hartman's complaint. And so Kurt Hartman pointed

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<v Speaker 1>that out. As you know, nothing was being done on

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<v Speaker 1>this until I raised the issue, and so yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Fair enough, there'd be some lawyers with a happy smiley

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<v Speaker 4>face getting paid for the work that they did, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he got more attention for the fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>just for it being a fifty dollars fine than anything.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a slap on the wrist. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what people expect by way of.

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<v Speaker 4>Fines from the Oversight Committee high Elections Commission, but as

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<v Speaker 4>you illustrate, they rarely do this. So even a fifty

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<v Speaker 4>dollars fine is a higher level than most. So clearly

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<v Speaker 4>there was a violation here, and that's what they concluded.

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<v Speaker 3>Are pivoting over.

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<v Speaker 4>You teamed up with Dan Horne to write an article

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<v Speaker 4>about the Cincinnti firefighters and the fire fire department survey

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<v Speaker 4>didn't paint a really pretty picture, did it, Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I mean only a quarter of the firefighters responded,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess if you look at a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>companies when they do those surveys, that's not necessarily unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>But the ones that responded, no, we're not happy with

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<v Speaker 1>their jobs. They felt like they're not being listed into

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<v Speaker 1>by management. They felt that the hiring practices were not fair,

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<v Speaker 1>that the promotions were not fair. This is something the

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<v Speaker 1>work environment at the fire department. It's been a long

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<v Speaker 1>standing issue. The previous fire chief was fired for allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>creating a hostile work environment according to the or not

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<v Speaker 1>addressing a hostile work environment, and so this has been

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<v Speaker 1>an issue that's that's been ruminating in the fire department

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<v Speaker 4>That was fire chief Frank McKinley. According to reporting that

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<v Speaker 4>he's fighting that allegation in his discharge is he.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no. Frank McKinley is the current one Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. Yeah, Chief Washington, Yes, and yeah, he is

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Who prompted this survey, whose idea or who is

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<v Speaker 4>behind the survey of the firefighters, because I would really

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<v Speaker 4>like to see one of the inst Police department because

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<v Speaker 4>from all I've heard about that, and I have quite

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<v Speaker 4>a few inside sources there, things aren't that good by

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<v Speaker 4>way of morality the inst Police department.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, according to the city manager, this is part of

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<v Speaker 1>an overall assessment of the department and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a report in a month or two with recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>on how to make improvements and improve the morality the

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<v Speaker 1>fire department. So, I mean that's something that in the

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<v Speaker 1>next month or two we shall hopefully we'll get more

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<v Speaker 4>To Yeah, but it was it's your report of this.

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<v Speaker 4>This survey was conducted by last fall by a private firm.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just wondering, was that at Sherry Long's initiation or

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<v Speaker 4>was it the uh the fire department union's behest I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just wondering who was behind the survey itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, at that point, at this point, we we aren't

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<v Speaker 1>clear because the city manager hasn't said anything beyond what

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<v Speaker 1>we had in the story, and the report has not

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<v Speaker 1>been released wasn't released publicly yet, we had obtained a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of it, and uh so at this point it's

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<v Speaker 1>not quite clear.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, have you just before we part company?

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<v Speaker 4>They Scott Warton from the Cincinnion Choir you can find

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<v Speaker 4>on line at cincinny dot com. Connie Pillich released the

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<v Speaker 4>statement yesterday that I found rather troubling personally, but it

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<v Speaker 4>seemed to be rather unprofessional for a Hamilton County prosecutor

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<v Speaker 4>to issue this. It's regarded that no King's nationwide dad

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<v Speaker 4>defiance which has taken place on Saturday, attacking without meaning

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump, but clearly directed toward Donald Trump and his administration.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see that by any chance?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw some online chatter about it, but I'll be honesity,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not really delved into that too much.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was just curious if you might consider reaching

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<v Speaker 4>out to her for an explanation, because she points out

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<v Speaker 4>her job as to prosecute crime.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes.

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<v Speaker 4>But all this is against the backdrop of such unconstitutional

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<v Speaker 4>lawless at the federal level by an incompetent, childish, selfish,

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<v Speaker 4>uneducated jackal who threatens our very democracy every day. Even worse,

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<v Speaker 4>he is backed up by vile humans whose acts and

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<v Speaker 4>advice indicate that they want to destroy our democracy and

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<v Speaker 4>then ask people to join her on Saturday with the

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<v Speaker 4>not Kings nationwide Native Defiance image there So it just

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<v Speaker 4>seemed to be rather unprofessional for MI and my listeners. Standpoint,

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<v Speaker 4>I thought might be worthy story to follow up with

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<v Speaker 4>Connie pillach On Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put it on the list.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go. Hey, You're always welcome here.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate you right about local stories so we can all

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<v Speaker 4>understand what's going on in the city of Cincinnati. Scott,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll look forward to having you on again, and

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<v Speaker 4>I hope you have a wonderful balance of the week

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<v Speaker 4>you too. Thank you very much, Thanks Scott. It's a

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