1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,639 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven winners color Choy shrubs. 2 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:10,519 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella 3 00:00:10,759 --> 00:00:14,519 me Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Well Stacy. Today we talk about the botany of Christmas. 5 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:20,879 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. 6 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: So I thought about this, and I'm thinking, okay, I'll 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,920 just make a quick list right off the top of 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:33,679 my head. Pine spruce, fir, missile toe, that romantic epiphytic parasite, 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,840 holly ivy, point seta and of course send us your cards, 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,799 your emails, your letters on the pronunciation of point seta 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:49,719 or point setia, cloves, cinnamon, nutmeg. I got to mention 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,240 nutmeg because it's an eggnog and I love eggnog. I mean, 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,159 it's a fabulous, fabulous drink and I won't dwell on 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,519 the lestrawl sugar and alcohol part of it. And chestnuts, 15 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:07,959 So you know, immediately put those twelve on the list. 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,239 But there is so much more that you could add 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,799 to the list. I mean, consider the fact you could 18 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:22,719 put a pair on the list. You could add mint, cactus, kalladium, roses, citrus, rose, 19 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:27,040 Mary in the Bible, mrr was used as an anointing 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,959 or embalming oil. Frankinson's was used as perfume or incense. 21 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,640 You have Star of Bethlehem a minor bulb or nithegallum. Yes, 22 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,319 umbulatum toxic and invasive. So by me mentioning it, I'm 23 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,359 not suggesting you plant it, but it has to be 24 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,159 on my list when I think of all things Christmas 25 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:55,120 and botany, Stacy, the list is quite extensive. 26 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,799 Speaker 2: It is. I mean, yeah, there's all sorts that we 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,519 didn't even get into yet, but exactly. 28 00:01:58,599 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 29 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:00,879 Speaker 2: We felt like we had done this for Thanksgiving, which 30 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:04,680 obviously was much more food based. But I started thinking 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,159 about it, and you know, Christmas is a very plant 32 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:09,520 based holiday. Yes, it is to gather around the tree. 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,319 You know, you got your whole points set up. 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: We move a whole tree into the house. 35 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:17,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there are few, if any other holidays 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,560 that are quite so centered around plants. 37 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I found it interesting, Stacey. A 38 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:28,120 study by Stanford University that showed that some indoor plants 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:34,159 and natural views reduce stress, holiday stress and boost well being. 40 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:37,439 But they found in this study they felt that about 41 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:44,039 twenty percent nature in your room is optimal. In other words, 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,800 too many plants sixty percent or more can actually increase stress, 43 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:55,280 creating an overwhelming feeling. The key is balanced connection, not 44 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:57,759 just quantity. And I guess I could understand that, because 45 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:02,400 if your room is packed full of plants, there's a 46 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:04,400 lot of stress in taking care of those things. 47 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:06,479 Speaker 2: Well, yes, but I guess it all depends on how 48 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,759 much you enjoy watering. Because if you do enjoy watering 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,039 and caring for your plants, right, then having all of 50 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:15,280 those plants might not be stressful. Is just like, look 51 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:17,919 at all that I've accomplished, and you feel very reflective 52 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,680 about everything that you've done for me. I would probably 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,000 I would love to have the room full of plants, 54 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,680 but as long as it had like, you know, a 55 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:28,639 marble floor or something so I didn't have to worry 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,680 about water all. 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,719 Speaker 1: That's true now, of course, as in my years as 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,719 a foliage plant buyer in the garden center industry. Again, 59 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:44,800 more plants you can add. Ammarillis, Oh Gotta Have Am 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,639 has become heavily commercialized. The waxed bulbs. They dress them 61 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:55,479 up with little sweaters, stick a poky little stand underneath. 62 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:58,599 They're not grown conventionally like they used to be grown 63 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:04,479 a cyclo kalladium. And one that's really interesting to me 64 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:10,840 is the gold crest lemon cypress. Interesting plant and can 65 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:15,639 be grown outdoors in zones seven to eleven, not this 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,360 far north, but they'll put them into little pots and 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:20,040 decorate them. 68 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: Up for Christmas. 69 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like those because they are a golden evergreen 70 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,040 that doesn't look chlorotic or sick. Yes, the color looks 71 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,160 very deliberate and festive and cheerful, and that's not something 72 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:35,920 you can always say about golden about golden evergreens exactly. 73 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: An interesting plant, Snicio. The angel wing is a plant 74 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,319 that we talk about in spring and putting into our 75 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:48,240 containers and gives a really cool look. But I do 76 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,480 see greenhouses and other people starting to incorporate that in 77 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,639 as a holiday plant. 78 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: That makes sense. It's kind of all looks like it 79 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,879 already got snowed on. 80 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, spearmint ferns. 81 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,319 Speaker 2: Gotta have speariment, and you know it's you might think like, oh, hey, 82 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:06,319 there's no mint like I think of mint for like 83 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,079 mojitos or mint lemonade, but you know it's peppermint everything 84 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,079 at Christmas correct, and that comes from a plant from peppermint. 85 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: Hellabores have found their way into the gift plant selection 86 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,720 for Christmas. And then I'm going to save this for 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,319 segment four because we're going to have to talk about 88 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:32,000 zygo cactus or Christmas cactus or Thanksgiving cactus or holiday cactus, 89 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:36,199 whatever you want to call it. It's slumberjura, I believe 90 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,759 is the correct pronunciation, but a holiday which isn't really 91 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,920 a cactus at all. It's not a cactus. It's more 92 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:46,399 of an epiphytic succulent. 93 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: It is a true cactus in terms of the flowers, right, 94 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,160 but it is actually right nothing like the rest of 95 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:56,759 the cactus. And I think if my memory serves, and 96 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,480 I know that our bright YouTube viewers will, and if 97 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,720 I am wrong, I believe they are the only ones 98 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,120 that are not native to the New World. They were 99 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,920 actually the only cac daisy that can be found in Africa. 100 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Otherwise all cactasy are only growing in South and North America. 101 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: Interesting. 102 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,399 Speaker 1: Interesting as a Christmas flower, Stephanotis Flora bunda, or some 103 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:25,959 people will call it Madagascar jasmine and evergreen woody vine 104 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,959 is commonly grown as a houseplant. 105 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: Not easy to grow, No, definitely. 106 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: But really found traction within the garden center. Calanchoe also, 107 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,240 I always called it retirement home plant, and I can. 108 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,759 Speaker 2: Say that I'm flying off the shelves. 109 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,439 Speaker 1: Well, my dad just turned ninety six and he's in 110 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,079 a retirement home and when I go there, I make 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,959 sure to dress lightly because it is hotter than a 112 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:58,560 sauna in there. But the kalanchoe plant can really stand 113 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:04,199 up to it, babe. And thuriums I'm surprised that in 114 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:07,560 thurium doesn't get more tract. They are sold at Christmas 115 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:13,000 time beautiful brilliant red, white, pink, but doesn't get a 116 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,000 tremendous amount of traction. And then when I left the 117 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,720 garden center industry, a plant that really was taking a 118 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:27,079 foothold was Stromante triostar is. This houseplant is known for 119 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:33,120 its variegated green, pink, cream and magenta leaves that fold up. 120 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:37,319 I think it's in the Maranta family with prayer plant 121 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:44,600 and really makes for a great different Christmas plant when 122 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:49,279 we're talking about Christmas horticulture. And then of course one 123 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:52,360 thing that was very popular were all the branches, so 124 00:07:52,519 --> 00:07:56,680 willow branches, birch branches, and then of course we've got 125 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,800 to talk about Arctic fire and any of your dogwoods 126 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:04,519 that produce those beautiful, brilliant branches that we put in 127 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,959 our containers. 128 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:08,079 Speaker 2: Right, and no worry about any paint flakes in your 129 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:09,879 containers because that color is natural. 130 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: I love that, I really do. 131 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,879 Speaker 1: And then of course also chestnuts, and I'll move chestnuts 132 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:22,680 to segment four also because again we've talked about this 133 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:27,160 in previous weeks, but there are chestnut The chestnut tree 134 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,639 is really starting to make a comeback. 135 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,879 Speaker 3: A lot of people working on. 136 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: This, and there's some areas in the United States where 137 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,480 you can find groves of chestnut trees that are thriving 138 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:43,840 and really making a comeback. And of course chestnuts have 139 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,039 to be part of the list. We'll continue that list 140 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,440 in segment four. Let me mention to you for my 141 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,759 limb a rick this week when I'm shopping around in 142 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:58,360 a store, one song that I can't stand Let it Snow, 143 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Let it Snow, Let it Snow, And it's because the 144 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,559 song is a farce. The composers who wrote Let It 145 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:09,600 Snow wrote it in southern California in July of nineteen 146 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:14,039 forty five, when it was super hot outside. They stayed inside, 147 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,879 and they wrote let it snow, come on over here 148 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,240 to Michigan right now and experience it. Of course, Dean 149 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,039 Martin made it famous. He recorded a cover of the 150 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,519 song in nineteen sixty six. So along that line. Because 151 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,000 I don't like that song, maybe you do, I rewrote 152 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:31,639 the lyrics for this week's. 153 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: Limb a Rick. 154 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: Oh, the weather outside is frightful, the wind chill is 155 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:39,960 not delightful. And since in our garden we can't grow. 156 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: I gotta let it go, Let it go, let it go. 157 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,799 Speaker 1: It doesn't show signs of stopping. So indoors, I am 158 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,440 e shopping online, spending lots of dough. There's a doorbell. 159 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:55,279 Hope it's a Bordeaux. When we finally get frost bite, 160 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,039 how I'll wish it would no longer storm. But if 161 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:02,399 you hold onto your your coat real tight, at best, 162 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,000 you'll be maybe lukewarm. Oh my zwe hardiness. Nine plants 163 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,320 are slowly dying, My dear, I'm still goodbying. I'll sip 164 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,480 on my martini espresso and let it go, Let it go, 165 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:16,679 let it go. 166 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: Oh, you are really on fire with the Christmas themed 167 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,080 limericks this year. Rick, I got gotta hand it to you. 168 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,799 Speaker 1: Snow gets Me on fire, Cold Plants on trial coming 169 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:30,879 up next here on the Gardening Simplified. 170 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: Ship, Beautify your home and community with proven Winner's Color 171 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,200 Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique 172 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,360 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for 173 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,639 every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive 174 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,360 white container your local garden center or learn more at 175 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,519 proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and 176 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,279 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we're talking 177 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,559 all about the botany behind Christmas. I mean, really, we 178 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,799 could do an hour's long show or if we really 179 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:06,919 wanted to dig in deep and talk about all of 180 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,159 the science and culture behind all of these plants. You 181 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,600 know again, because like we said in segment one, I 182 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,879 don't think that in the US we have a holiday 183 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:19,039 that is more focused around plants, not just eating them, 184 00:11:19,919 --> 00:11:25,360 but decorating with them and enjoying them than Christmas. And 185 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,240 as far as the pronunciation of point seta goes, as 186 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,960 I always say, the important thing is you walk out 187 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,120 of the garden center with a plant that she came 188 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,120 in to buy. I don't think whether you say whether 189 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:45,159 you say points setia or point seta really matters, even 190 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,559 though it is indeed spelled points SETI, I a at 191 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,919 the end. And I will tell you that once my 192 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,200 grandmother learned that as she must have read it in 193 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:57,559 a newspaper article or something, and I remember she made 194 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,279 it her remaining life's work. Always make sure she said 195 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,759 points setia, and it did kind of rub off on me. 196 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,759 I can you know, I don't have a strong opinion. Again, 197 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:08,279 as long as you're walking out with a plant that 198 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,399 you want, we're good. 199 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:11,399 Speaker 3: There you go. 200 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: And I've sold millions of those throughout the years in 201 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 the garden center industry, and I have this the other day, 202 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,240 I went to a shopping center and I saw someone 203 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,600 with a cart full of them. Outside the wind was 204 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,240 twenty miles per hour, and I'd say the outdoor temperature 205 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,720 was around twenty two degrees yikes. 206 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 207 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: So we've been talking a lot with moms. How you know, 208 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,440 the moms that we get here in the US for 209 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:40,000 our gardens are pretty much just a shadow of what 210 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,600 a mom can be. And I would say the same 211 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,480 thing about point setta. Now, I have not been to 212 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,840 Mexico to see it in bloom. But in the wild, 213 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,440 that little point set on your tabletop is a ten 214 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,960 foot tall monster of a plant. Yep, and very very cool. 215 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:59,399 I've only actually seen them. They weren't growing wild, but 216 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:05,279 I did see blooming and growing outside of Nazareth in Israel. Yeah, 217 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,039 and they were just towering. And you know, so it's 218 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,080 so funny to think about this, this cute little thing 219 00:13:10,159 --> 00:13:12,559 that you've got on your dining room table and everyone's 220 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,080 you know, impressed by when in the wild. I would 221 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,519 encourage you to look it up because they are quite 222 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:23,039 a different plant. The botanical name just for funzies here 223 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,120 before I get to the real plan on trial, Euphorbia. 224 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:30,200 So you know Euphorbia from a lot of common garden plants. Yeah, 225 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,480 pul karama, and pul karama is the Latin word for beautiful, 226 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:40,240 so points out literally the scientific name translates as beautiful Euphorbia. 227 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,480 That of course is up for debate. So you can 228 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:45,399 bring that up at your Christmas table if you would 229 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,240 like to, and you have other botanically minded guests over there. 230 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:55,879 But speaking of amazing plants for the holidays, I love holly, 231 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,360 and you know, I think in our first season of 232 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,840 the show, we devote an episode to Holly and Oak. 233 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,639 We talked about the significance of oak and holly and 234 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,799 ancient olden times England and how it both plants remained 235 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:13,480 to this day a crucial part of the holiday. 236 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,759 Speaker 1: I love Holley, I love deciduous holly. I love broad leaf, 237 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,799 evergreen holly. We joke about the Christmas songs again. Remember 238 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:27,600 I worked during the Christmas season selling stuff. So when 239 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:30,120 you hear a song for the four hundred and sixty 240 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,320 seven thousandth time, right, Yeah, but a song that I 241 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,879 love Holly Jolly Christmas, Burro lives love that. 242 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: That's so cute. Yeah, So even in all those years, 243 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,200 you never got sick of that. 244 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:43,879 Speaker 3: One, never got sick of Burrel lives. 245 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: Mister Christmas himself, yes, with a sprig of holly on 246 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,080 his hat, and I believe that's what Frosty the Snowman had. 247 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,879 But holly has been incorporate associated with this time of 248 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,600 year since ancient ancient times, so it actually goes back 249 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,759 to the Romans, probably earlier than that. The Romans, it 250 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 was a key part of their Saturnalia celebrations, which last 251 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,840 to December seventeenth to December twenty third. The Druids and 252 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:15,879 the Pagans, of course incorporated into their traditions, decorations, holiday traditions, 253 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:18,240 all of that kind of stuff. And I think it 254 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,600 is really that connection to the Druids and Pagans that 255 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,240 have people so associate holly with England and the fact 256 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:32,799 that the holly that is depicted in these Christmas cards 257 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:36,360 and holiday specials and everything. When you talk about holliy 258 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,559 at Christmas, you weren't talking about the holly in most 259 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,960 of our backyards. You're talking about islex aquafolium English holly. 260 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,639 And I don't think that helps its reputation for being 261 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:51,799 a very English thing. But the fact is that islex 262 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:56,519 aquafolium grows wild all the way down through Italy and 263 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:02,159 down into northern Africa. So Morocco algae area has all 264 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,559 of those areas have pockets of ilex aquafoliam English COLLI, yeah, 265 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,480 it is. I mean, imagine being in Morocco and you're like, oh, 266 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,960 well there's an English holly kind of wild thought. So 267 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,279 it makes sense then that, of course it was not 268 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:21,519 just those English cultures, but all sorts of European cultures 269 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:27,240 that have really venerated this plant, and because of its 270 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,080 tradition and its beauty, and it is such a beautiful plant. 271 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:36,559 English holly has really thick, really glossy green leaves and 272 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,840 these spines that I don't think would be forgiven on 273 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,799 any other plants. It's prickly, car it is very prickly. 274 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,120 So if you have a holly, unless you have like 275 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Alex Cornuda horned holly, and you think it's prickly, you 276 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:55,679 have not met in English holly. Because those the that thick, 277 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,399 glossy foliage, there's no give to those those prickles on 278 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:03,399 those leads. They will definitely poke right into your skin. 279 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,599 But it just makes it so beautiful and distinctive. And 280 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,200 then of course, if it's a female holly, you also 281 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,359 are going to have those bright red berries. So evergreen redberries. 282 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:18,200 It's a natural fit. And it's also natural for Americans 283 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,759 to have long wanted it for their gardens. But English 284 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:26,839 holly is not very hearty, as you may have guessed 285 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,680 just by that little range I gave you of where 286 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,279 it grows wild, which a lot of those areas are 287 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,720 not just warm, but they're not cold. And so that's 288 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:40,200 really sort of where the tricky part of growing English 289 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,400 holly is for most of us here in the US, 290 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,640 is is that even in USDA Zone seven, which it's 291 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,440 considered hardy too, if you get too much cold or 292 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,039 cold that lasts too long, it will not do well. 293 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,799 And so the English hollies that are bought are bought 294 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,279 in the US are mostly grafted onto Nellie Stevens holly, 295 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,880 so they're not on their own roots. And in an 296 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,160 attempt for more people to be able to grow this holly, 297 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,200 there were a lot of hybrids made, and the holly 298 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,920 that we have, especially those of us in colder climates 299 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:19,279 that is closest to the English holly is ilex me 300 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,279 Survey or me survey, which is a hybrid between English 301 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:28,880 holly and Islex regosa, which is a wild holly native 302 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,119 to Russia. The Sakhalin Islands so very cold areas. So 303 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,519 by crossing these, Kathleen me Serf, who was just a 304 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,680 backyard plant breeder playing around in her backyard because she 305 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:40,920 desperately wanted some of that English holly and it was 306 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,000 just not growing for her, even out on Long Island 307 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,160 back in the nineteen fifties, so she crossed them and 308 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:49,960 she kept playing around and crossing them, and she is 309 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,680 the one who has brought us one of the most 310 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:58,160 widespread hollies to this day, blue Holly, or me Serve hollies, 311 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,599 as they're sometimes called, our Castle series of blue holly. 312 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,480 Now there are four plants in the Castle series. The 313 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,759 flagship plants are castle Spire, which is the female and 314 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,359 that one grows kind of into a tall pyramid, and 315 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,440 then castle Wall is the male. Because like other hollies, 316 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,680 you only get fruit on the females. The males do. 317 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,079 You need to be there in order to contribute pollen 318 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,400 so that the females actually develop some fruit, but you 319 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:29,640 only need about one male to every four to five 320 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:32,920 females in order to get that fruit. So castle spires 321 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,519 the female, castle Wall is the male, and these combined 322 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,799 make a beautiful privacy hedge or specimen planting. The male 323 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,720 can be anywhere within about fifty yards or fifty feet 324 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:49,680 rather of the female, so they don't if you're right 325 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:51,319 next to each other, so you can kind of play 326 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,480 around with your yard and spread them out so. 327 00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:57,319 Speaker 1: You're not And that is a point of confusion with 328 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,759 many customers in the garden center dealing with that and 329 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,599 figuring it out. 330 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, most people think they need to be right next 331 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,279 to each other. They do not. And that is as 332 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:08,559 close as we're going to be able to get for 333 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,720 most of us to that holly. So it's not as spiny, 334 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:14,920 and the leaves are not as green, which you may 335 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,359 think of as a good thing or a bad thing. 336 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,960 They definitely do have a pretty distinctive blue cast I 337 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,240 would say, you wouldn't look at it and say, oh, hey, 338 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,880 that's blue foliage. But if you look at alex aquafolium 339 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,079 and you look at the foliage of alex maservey, you 340 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,920 will notice that they are distinctly different. But as far 341 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,519 as the berries go, it's a pretty impressive plant. 342 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it is beautiful. 343 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: I love Holly two and I really do wish I 344 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:40,880 could grow it. But to grow hollywell, you need acidic 345 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,680 soil and you need moist soil. It is not a 346 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,359 drought tolerant plant. I don't know of any holly that 347 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:51,440 is really very drought tolerant at all. So, and it's 348 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,160 also not dear resistant despite those spines. Even Islex aquafolium 349 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,759 is not totally dear resistant either. So between those things, 350 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:03,079 I unfortunately will not have holly in my yard as 351 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,640 much as I do enjoy the plant, but if you 352 00:21:05,759 --> 00:21:09,240 have the right conditions for it, what better way to 353 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:15,079 plant some horticultural history than add Castle spire holly from 354 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,880 Proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs to your garden. 355 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,759 Speaker 3: You'll have a holly, jolly Christmas. 356 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: Hopefully you will anyway, but it'll be hollier and jollier 357 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,160 if you plant one next spring. We're going to take 358 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,920 a little break. When we come back, we're opening up 359 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:35,200 the mailbak, so please stay tuned at Proven Winner's Color 360 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:38,359 Choice Shrubs. 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Okay, 373 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:26,440 not to be a downer here in this very holly jolly. 374 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:29,279 Speaker 3: Time but most wonderful time. 375 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: But you know it will get people thinking about house plants, 376 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,400 adding to their houseplants, taking care of the house plants 377 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,599 that they already have. And so to that end, we 378 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:45,519 heard from a listener who has a reaction to your 379 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,680 suggestion of using miracle whip as leafshline. Now, I do 380 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:51,559 want to say it wasn't necessarily a suggestion that you 381 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,119 were like, please do this. You were like, you can 382 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:58,079 do this, you can do it. Was not an endorsement, 383 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:03,000 was just so, Linda says. I listen to your podcast 384 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:05,000 every time I knew and hits my list. Thank you, Linda, 385 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,720 and I enjoy learning new hints and history of plants origination. However, 386 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,559 I felt I needed to suggest to address Rick's suggestion 387 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,000 to use miracle whip as a leaf shine and I 388 00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:17,680 will note that he did say don't do this if 389 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,599 you have pets or children. I bet I'm not the 390 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,559 only one you've heard from please see the recommended practices 391 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:26,799 for shining up house plant leaves. Thank you. So she 392 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,240 sends a link of other sites that recommended various different 393 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,599 things for shining housepunt leaves, not all of them, you know, 394 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,079 kitchen sink kind of stuff that you might have sitting around. 395 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,359 But one thing that I will say is, you know, 396 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:46,759 some of the objections voice about using miracle whip as 397 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,599 a leaf shine are that it will quote unquote clog pores. 398 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,759 But I will say that any product sold as a 399 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,279 leaf shine is going to clog plant pores. They're pretty 400 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,640 much all wax, an oily kind of wax, right, That's 401 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,480 how they get the shin. 402 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: And so you know, you got to take this in context. 403 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,519 So I appreciate your comment, Linda, So bear this in mind. 404 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:12,839 First of all, it all started because I was making 405 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,920 tuna fish and I cut up the celery and. 406 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: I had some leftover. That's how it started. 407 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,279 Speaker 1: But really technically the way it started again in the 408 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,079 garden center industry, sometimes we have to send some plants 409 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,880 out to a funeral or some other type of event, 410 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,240 and you need those spatophylums the pothos to shine. And 411 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,480 if you don't have some conventional leaf shine, and I'm 412 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:40,119 with you on. 413 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:40,759 Speaker 3: That, Stacy. 414 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:43,839 Speaker 1: I agree with you because house plants in my home, 415 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,559 I would not use leaf shine. 416 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 3: They need to breathe. 417 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: I don't need to shine those plants. It's more or 418 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,119 less a presentation type of thing to put them in 419 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,440 miracle whip. 420 00:24:58,799 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 3: I mean, they're stunt. 421 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,799 Speaker 1: You'll get lots of you give a spat the phylum 422 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480 as a gift plant and you've lathered it up in 423 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,920 miracle whip, you're gonna get compliments. 424 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's mostly oil. And again that's mostly 425 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:16,599 what they're using for these things, is an oil that 426 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,200 will keep down the dust. Personally, I do feel like 427 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,039 overly shined leaves look kind of unnatural. 428 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: They do look unnatural. 429 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: And again I am not suggesting you put miracle whip, 430 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000 but I am trying to get a reaction, and I 431 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,440 get a reaction from some of these things that I say. 432 00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,799 But it's real life, boots on the ground kind of stuff. 433 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,480 You're in a garden center, the orders going out, you 434 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:42,759 got to shine these plants. 435 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:43,799 Speaker 3: They got to look beautiful. 436 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,519 Speaker 1: The hotel you're sending them to expects them things to 437 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,079 be shining to the point where you can see your reflection. 438 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: In the plant, and you have a tude of sandwich 439 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,960 in the fridge for lunch, and you just put. 440 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:58,319 Speaker 3: To you and everybody's happy and here we are. 441 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: So there's a good topic for your Christmas table discussion. 442 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,880 If things are getting a little awkward, you can just 443 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:12,720 who's used miracle Whip's mayonnaise? Well, so, I wonder because 444 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:14,880 the mannis contains egg I don't know that miracle whip 445 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,720 contains eggs, right, so you know that could be a difference. 446 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:18,400 I don't really know. 447 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,559 Speaker 3: It's like cool whip. 448 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,039 Speaker 1: To this day, we have no idea what non dairy 449 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,160 cool whip. But I haven't tried cool whip on plants. 450 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,559 Speaker 2: Oh, so you could give that a whirl. I would 451 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,519 just use a damp brag honestly, if I was worried 452 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,119 about it, just wipe the dust away on the top 453 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:34,839 on the bottom. 454 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,599 Speaker 3: You're going to get more emails, okay, yeah, people are 455 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,240 going to email. 456 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,519 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we welcome you to do that. And 457 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,759 if you do want to email us, well, you can 458 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,359 always leave a comment on YouTube in the comments there, 459 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960 and we read all of those. Adriana does in responds 460 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,200 to those, or you can reach us at Gardening Simplified 461 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,480 on air dot Com. There is a contact form right 462 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:59,319 there for your convenience. What have you got the meleg. 463 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 3: Forgive me if I get this wrong. 464 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: But Aleen a ligne, I think Aleen? 465 00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 3: Aleen? Yeah, I would guess Aleen. 466 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: So Aleen writes to us, Hello, I love listening to 467 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,799 your show. I have a proven winner, mister Poppins, love 468 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,400 that plant. 469 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: Would I be able to get. 470 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Berries on a native straight species of Ilex Vertisilada with 471 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,240 the mister Poppins So. 472 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:27,559 Speaker 2: Great question and the answer is maybe. That's the answer 473 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,359 to everything in horticulture. So the issue that so, the 474 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,880 fact that mister Poppins winterbury holly is a selection or 475 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,480 a cultivar has less to do with the answer to 476 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,599 this than it's bloom time. And that is what it's 477 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,480 all about with Holly's or really it's true with any 478 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,559 dioecious plant like holly. But it's also true of plants 479 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,880 that need another variety to pollinate, but aren't male and 480 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,799 female like a viburnum. And that is the key to 481 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,599 success here, is that the bloom times of the male 482 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,240 and the female plant need to overlap exactly so in 483 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,200 the winterbury holly world, there are essentially two groups of 484 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,759 winterberry hollies. There are the early blooming winterbury hollies, which 485 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,759 is basically what you would consider the ones that are 486 00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,440 native more to the colder areas, and then you have 487 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,039 the later blooming group. Now it's not a matter of months. 488 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,000 It really is a matter of weeks the difference between 489 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,440 when these bloom. So you may get some overlap, but 490 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:31,640 what you really want is those flowers freshly open, so 491 00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,640 that the pollen is as fresh as possible, and that 492 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,839 the female portions on the flower are as receptive as 493 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,599 possible to that fresh pollen that's coming out, so that 494 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,039 they actually set fruit. So the late blooming is more southern. 495 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,119 So if you have a variety with like Southern gentlemen, 496 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,319 that typically belongs to the late blooming group of winterbury holly. 497 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,319 So is mister Poppins going to going to pollinate your 498 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,680 native hollies. It depends on if they're early or late blooming. Again, 499 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640 if you're here in Michigan or basically north ish of 500 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,319 the Mason Dixon line, probably it will work. But if 501 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,559 you are in the south or in a warmer climate, 502 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,960 you would not probably get the same results because it 503 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,799 is those plants need the longer exposure to warm temperatures 504 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:21,960 to bloom, so that's why they're considered The later blooming 505 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,359 group gets warmer in the south earlier and faster than 506 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,640 it does here in the North, and so it's the 507 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,319 plants need more accumulated heat in the spring in order 508 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,559 to bloom up here, it doesn't happen, so they tend 509 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:39,559 to bloom earlier, whereas the other ones would bloom much 510 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,400 later when we have accumulated more heat. So if you're 511 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160 in the north, probably If you are in the South, 512 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480 probably not, and you would need to pair it instead 513 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,720 with fairy poppins or another plant from the early blooming group. 514 00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: Makes sense, Cheryl writes, Hello gardening friends, I have a 515 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,880 question about Amarillis. For several years now, I've been saving 516 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960 my Amarillis bulbs through the process of growing outdoors in 517 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:08,119 summer that's good digging for dormancy, and repotting in October 518 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:12,839 for winter blooms. I've had some repotted since Halloween and 519 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,240 there is no growth coming. They aren't planted too deep 520 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,680 and are in the front of south facing windows like 521 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,039 usual and have been watered. I thought maybe I wasn't 522 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,559 watering them enough, so have increased it, but to no avail. 523 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,359 These bulbs are about three to five years old. Could 524 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,119 they be aged out? Appreciate your input and I would 525 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,519 think initially, Cheryl, no, these bulbs are not aged out. 526 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 3: And I love the process that you're using. 527 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: In summer. The amarilla should have that strap like foliage 528 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:47,759 on them. 529 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,759 Speaker 3: In summer, you should be feeding them. Many people will. 530 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: Use something like just a water soluble type fertilizer when 531 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,000 they're feeding their annuals. And yes, you'd clean them up, 532 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,079 cut them up, bring them indoors for fall. But I 533 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,119 would think that maybe you're just pushing the schedule a 534 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,480 little bit here because they do need a resting period 535 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:12,759 of a number of weeks. 536 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:14,119 Speaker 3: And that would be my guess. 537 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: That was my guess too. Yeah, so you put them 538 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,119 outside in the summer and let them photosynthesize and then 539 00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:23,880 they need complete darkness right for that kind of fall 540 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200 late summer fall period, and it needs to be dry. 541 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,039 Speaker 1: Many people will tip the pot or pull the amarillis, 542 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680 cut the roots, cut the strap like foliage off, give 543 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,440 them a resting period before repotting them and trying to 544 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,519 get them to grow again. 545 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,319 Speaker 2: Right, So we don't know. You know, from Cheryl's message 546 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,559 how long of a dormant period they had, and I 547 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:46,720 would that would be my suspicion to you. But on 548 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,599 the other hand, it's they can be slow. 549 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: You know. 550 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,119 Speaker 2: I've certainly seen multiple people get an amorillis bulb from 551 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,799 a kit, and everybody got the same kit, and some 552 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,359 were rocketing right out of the soil and others weren't. 553 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,440 But here's the thing, Cheryl, I wouldn't do anything right now. 554 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,480 Go ahead, let them do what they're going to do 555 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,279 based on how they were treated. And the worst that's 556 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:08,720 going to happen is you're not going to get any 557 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,839 flowers this year, which of course is disappointing. But you 558 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,759 can buy some new ones that will flower. They all 559 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,799 go on sale after Christmas pro tip, and then let 560 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,319 them grow their foliage and then look into it. I 561 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,039 don't know offhand how much of that that dormant period 562 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,799 in the dark that they actually need, but you know, 563 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,440 try getting closer to that. Maybe it needs a few 564 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,119 extra weeks and then this thing we'll get back on track. Yeah, 565 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:32,200 because you haven't lost anything. 566 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: The bulbs you're buying in a store are cured, prepared 567 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,720 and ready to rock it, like you mentioned, so I'd 568 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,640 give it a little more time, agree with you. I 569 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,279 wouldn't do anything different right now, but maybe more of 570 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:45,119 a resting period in the future. 571 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: Right but the plants aren't dead. Even if they don't 572 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,319 flower now, they're just gonna put on that foliage and 573 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,400 give it a try next year. So and that's what 574 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,559 we all need to do. 575 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: That's right. 576 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,279 Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna take a little break and when 577 00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:59,519 we come back, we're continuing on our conversation on the 578 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:08,640 button Christmas, so please stay tuned. Thanks for listening to 579 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,599 the Gardening Simplified podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners 580 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,960 Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens 581 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,119 are trialed and tested by experts with your success in mind. 582 00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,799 Learn more at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 583 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. We're having a 584 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,119 nature natural Christmas. And while we're on that subject, to 585 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,839 again going back to the garden center industry, we'd always 586 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,599 have reindeer around at Christmas time. And I don't know 587 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,000 if you knew this, but I know you appreciate insects. 588 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,640 Stacey and reindeer suffer with symptoms similar to a cold, 589 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:50,160 such as coughing and sputtering. Maybe that's what caused the 590 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:55,319 legendary red nose. It's not a common cold. It's an 591 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,319 infestation of a fly larvae ew. And they call them 592 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,559 snot by nuts ew. Yeah, And what they do is 593 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,319 they kind of just like sneeze and cough them out. 594 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,559 Speaker 2: This is not Christmas dinner conversation. 595 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 3: No it's not, but it's certainly as interesting. 596 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,119 Speaker 2: I mean, unless you want to ruin everybody's Christmas dinner. 597 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: Nature's an amazing thing. 598 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 2: Well I did not know that. Okay, it's pretty horrifying. 599 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: How about chestnuts? What we would do is we want 600 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,360 roast chestnuts over and open fire. We'd roast them over 601 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,679 a weber grill with a propane tank, but close enough. 602 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,760 That of course, is a Christmas thing. Chestnuts over and 603 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,119 open fire. And there's a state forest in Virginia. And 604 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,239 if you live in this area, please correct me, okay, 605 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920 because I've heard it many different ways. As a matter 606 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,239 of fact, near Stuart's Draft, Virginia, where proven winters leaf 607 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,800 joy houseplants are grown and originate, there's a state forest there, 608 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,199 and I've heard it pronounced lesson lessane and lesson ee, so. 609 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,039 Speaker 3: Not sure it's spelled l E s. 610 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,119 Speaker 2: N E. 611 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: So regardless of how it's pronounced, here's the point. In 612 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,559 the nineteen seventies, the Virginia Department of Forestry planted and 613 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,960 orchard of American chestnut trees there. It remains the largest 614 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,519 and oldest experimental planting of the species in the United States. 615 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:26,280 And I do a lot of reading backpacker dot com 616 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,320 that type of thing, and people talking about getting into 617 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,800 the trail head they're at that state park and finding 618 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,480 that grove of American chestnut trees and stating that it's 619 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:38,559 absolutely thrilling. 620 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that must be. That's great. 621 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: More plants for Christmas? 622 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 3: Botany do? I dare say it? 623 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,159 Speaker 1: But for years in the garden center industry, we sold 624 00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:52,559 a lot of dwarf Alberta spruces with the decorations. 625 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: But you did. I mean they you know, I've given 626 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:00,719 them their props for being quite a structural A little. Yes, 627 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,639 they are excellent for placing Christmas lights on compared to 628 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,880 most anything else. I mean, you know, more power to 629 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,519 those who want to grow them. I do not not 630 00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:12,880 even as a little Christmas tree, but I get it. 631 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:14,159 Speaker 3: I get it they're popular. 632 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I've certainly planted my share is holiday decre 633 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:18,280 that is for sure. 634 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: And if you buy a point set Tiah, take a 635 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,800 moment to grab a pencil or a knife or something 636 00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,920 and poke a few holes in that foil at the 637 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,360 bottom of the plant and set it in a tray, 638 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:38,960 because that's something that I see all the time is fungus, 639 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,400 gnats and other problems result. You know, we talked about 640 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,840 the point seti as earlier and how in nature they're 641 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:51,199 massive plants. They, like other plants in horticulture, were bred 642 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:57,480 to have stiff, short, sturdy stems, long lasting blooms. And 643 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,599 to be honest with you, Stacey, I'm a amazed at 644 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,880 what has been done over the last ten twenty thirty 645 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,320 years with point settas because when I first came into 646 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,280 the industry in the nineteen seventies, boy, they weren't very 647 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:17,760 tolerant of cold drafts and water and all that type 648 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:17,960 of thing. 649 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 3: But they are pretty tough now. Yeah. 650 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 2: I mean the old advice that you shouldn't put it, 651 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,039 you know, in the shot of a door, aren't near 652 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,000 a heat vent or anything like that. It is amazing 653 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,719 that they've been able to breed for that. But for 654 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,280 the best longevity of your point setta, you should still 655 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,400 avoid any of those extremes because they are very tender 656 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,199 tropical plants. 657 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,559 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Like I always say, avoid the cold drafts. You 658 00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:45,119 drink the Heineken and give the pointsetta some point setia 659 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:45,920 some water. 660 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: So Zygo cactus. 661 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: Now, this is a topic that a lot of people 662 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,039 love to talk about holiday Thanksgiving or Christmas cactus. Why 663 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,880 is my Christmas cactus blooming at Thanksgiving? Or why is 664 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,079 my Thanksgiving blooming on Valentine's Day or whatever it may be? 665 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:09,719 And I called it an epiphytic succulent stacy. You said, 666 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,039 technically it is a cactus because. 667 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 2: Of the flower, because it's in the cactasy. 668 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: Yep. So this plant, of course is amazing and a 669 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,159 lot of love for this plant with many people because 670 00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:25,760 we look. 671 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 3: Forward to the blooms. 672 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: And the other issue as it relates to this plant 673 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,079 is through the years, I've seen so many people who 674 00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:40,119 share them within their family. They have heirloom holiday cactus, 675 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,960 they get passed on or worse yet, you have parents 676 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,320 who are maybe in their seventies, they've had this plant 677 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,519 that they got from Grandma. The thing's probably eighty years old. 678 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,159 And you, as the son or daughter of these parents, 679 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,599 are told we're going to Florida for the winter, so 680 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,440 take care of the plant. Talk about stress, Yeah, for real. 681 00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,280 You don't want to blow it here. You don't want 682 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,719 to overwater the plant. And overwatering, of course, is a 683 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,000 serious problem for holiday cactus. It's a popular winter flowering 684 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:22,239 houseplant native to Brazil. Of course, all kinds of colors, red, purple, oranges, 685 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,000 pink's cream color, but in its native environment. And we 686 00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,639 often talk about that with plants. Look at not necessarily 687 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,519 where it's from, but what is the environment where it grows. 688 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,920 And these cacti grow on rocks or in trees where 689 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:43,159 hummingbirds pollinate the flowers. They have segmented stems, and then 690 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,639 they actually do not want you know, you say Brazil, 691 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,440 but they don't want hot sun. They don't want hot 692 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:56,280 sunlight generally seventy to eighty degrees. A little bit of 693 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,360 shade I have found works really well for holiday or 694 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:06,239 Christmas cactus. In addition to that, Grandma had great success 695 00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,800 with getting the holiday cactus to bloom. And I think 696 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,760 part of the reason is is because Grandma lived in 697 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,960 a whole older home and it wasn't as energy efficient. 698 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,400 The windows weren't as airtight. 699 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 3: Airtight. Seeah, let's put it that way. Airtight. 700 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,599 Speaker 1: And it is that change of season, not only light 701 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,119 but also temperature that will bring on these blooms. So 702 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,480 having it outdoors in summer, similar to our writer on amarillis, 703 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,519 in a shaded area, feeding it during its growth cycle, 704 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,519 but then giving it the opportunity to have that change 705 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,679 of seasons. Now some people are able to successfully do 706 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,320 that indoors in their. 707 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,679 Speaker 3: Home without moving it. That's great. 708 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: The plant loves that spot. Others will take it outside 709 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,280 and the plant will get the right light during summer 710 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,679 in a shaded area, be fed just like we're feeding 711 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,119 the amarillis, and then when you bring it in, it's 712 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,880 that change of season that brings on those bloom staces. 713 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that the easiness of getting 714 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,639 a holiday cactus, whether it's a Thanksgiving, your Christmas cactus 715 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,519 into bloom, is what has made them such an heirloom plant. 716 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:22,440 You know, it's kind of you know, if you have 717 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,639 an orchid and it's not blooming, you just get rid 718 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,239 of it. You're like, I'm not passing this along to 719 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,360 my grandkids. This thing is just you know, doesn't earn 720 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,280 its spot in my menagerie of houseplants. Whereas a Christmas cactus, 721 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,519 I mean they will bloom without you doing anything. The 722 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,679 orchids can be a little bit more finicky depending on 723 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,400 the orchid. Just to give an example. So my father 724 00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,960 in law is, you know, he still has some houseplants 725 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,880 from when my mother in law was around, and he 726 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,119 doesn't have nearly the motivation to care for them that 727 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,719 she did. But just when I was over there for Thanksgiving, 728 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,320 I happen to notice that the little whether it's a 729 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960 Thanksgiving Chris or Christmas cactus, I don't know, it was 730 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,400 in bloom. And this man has not watered this thing. 731 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,119 I don't even think he's looked at it, you know, 732 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,880 in months, and there it was covered in red flowers. 733 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,159 And it's because you don't have to get things right 734 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,599 as long as it's getting some light. That changing day 735 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:20,079 length is what triggers the flower bud formation and those 736 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:24,039 flowers to open. So it's really dead easy. So everybody's 737 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:27,000 bringing points set is over to everyone's house at Christmas time, 738 00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,840 and then you know a lot of people feel bad 739 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,280 when they can't keep it alive afterward. But it is 740 00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,639 really intended as a holiday plant that you can absolutely 741 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,000 compost or throw away after the holidays are over. Whereas 742 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,880 if you want to give someone something that is long term, 743 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,400 I don't think you can do better than a Christmas cactus. 744 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,559 I mean, those things are like a bulletproof. 745 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: I agree, and I agree with you that in many 746 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,000 cases they do better based on neglect. Yeah, and the 747 00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:57,719 root system is small proportionately to the top of the plant. 748 00:42:58,559 --> 00:42:59,639 Speaker 3: So if you. 749 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: Just follow those general guidelines and understand that it's the 750 00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:07,639 longer nights and a change in temperature that generally is 751 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,880 going to cause the onset of the buds, and do 752 00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:15,719 not over water you're going to kill that plant. You 753 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,119 can have success with Christmas cactus. And there are many 754 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:23,679 families who have Christmas cactus holiday cactus that are ten, twenty, thirty, 755 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,000 forty fifty years. 756 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,079 Speaker 3: Old or older. 757 00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:28,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd love to hear from you if you have 758 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:28,800 one in your. 759 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 3: Front or see a picture. 760 00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:37,199 Speaker 1: Some families, of course, will have heirloom fruitcake that they pass. 761 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 3: Around in the family. 762 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,039 Speaker 1: When I was when I was doing live radio, we 763 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,400 would take a fruitcake and throw it off the ninth 764 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,039 floor to see if it would bounce, and they do bounce. 765 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,119 Speaker 2: Well, I hope you had someone down there to make 766 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,199 sure no one got struck by the falling floor eight. 767 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: We were very safe and please don't send your emails letters. Sorry, 768 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,320 I endorse fruitcake. I like fruitcake. I'm not talking badly 769 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,239 about fruitcake. 770 00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:09,039 Speaker 3: It was just a radio stunt anyhow, her looom fruitcake 771 00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:10,559 and holiday cactus. 772 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 2: Well, this has been fun, Yes, it has been fun. 773 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,199 It's been all over the place, but that's what it's 774 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:15,800 all about. 775 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:16,119 Speaker 3: Kind of like me. 776 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: Thank you staceaing Rick, thank you Adriana, and thanks to you. 777 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,199 Thanks for watching us on YouTube listening to the radio 778 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,679 version of the show. Anything I say take with a 779 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,480 grain of salt, okay, tongue in cheek, and look for 780 00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:31,880 us wherever you get your favorite podcast. 781 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 3: Have a great week.