WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:07.000 You are listening to the IFH podcast Network. For more 2 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:12.679 amazing filmmaking and screenwriting podcasts, just go to ifahpodcastnetwork dot com. 3 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:16.480 Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, Episode number four fifty eight. 4 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.559 Your dream doesn't have an expiration date, Take a deep 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:20.960 breath and try again. 6 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:25.640 Kat You Whitten broadcasting from a dark, windowless. 7 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.559 Room in Hollywood when we really should be working on 8 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.960 that next draft. It's the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, showing you 9 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.719 the craft and business of screenwriting while teaching you how 10 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:36.600 to make your screenplay bulletproof. 11 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.119 And here's your host, Alex Ferrari. 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.039 Welcome, Welcome to another episode of the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast. 13 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:45.960 I am your humble host Alex Ferrari. 14 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.719 Now, today's show is sponsored by Bulletproof Script Coverage. 15 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:51.119 Now. 16 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:56.119 Unlike other script coverage services, Bulletproof Script Coverage actually focuses 17 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.159 on the kind of project you are in the goals 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.799 of the project are, so we actually break it down 19 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:06.000 by three categories micro budget, indie film, market and studio film. 20 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.239 There's no reason to get coverage from a reader that 21 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.719 she used to reading tempole movies when your movie is 22 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.239 going to be done for one hundred thousand dollars and 23 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:14.439 we wanted to focus on that. 24 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:16.599 At Bulletproof script coverage, our. 25 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:21.760 Readers have worked with Marvel Studios, CIA, w MEE, NBC, HBO, Disney, 26 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.560 Scott Free, Warner Brothers, The Blacklist, and many many more. 27 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.120 So if you need your screenplay or TV script covered 28 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:34.560 by professional readers, head on over to covermiscreenplay dot Com. 29 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.280 Enjoy today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis. 30 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.760 On this episode, I'm talking to a former adult actress 31 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.400 who is going into the acting and modeling world. She's 32 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:47.879 actually been doing it for a few years now. She's 33 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.319 starting Black Dynamite, and she's also starting in Catch twenty two, 34 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.200 which is actually released this year. It's actually released a 35 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:56.519 couple months ago. And we just had josh On on 36 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.400 the last episode and he actually was the director of 37 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:05.239 the project. Really quickly, I know, we briefly talk about 38 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.159 the adult film world. Sorry, if I could actually talk, 39 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.159 We do briefly talk about the adult film world from 40 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.960 and honestly, it's probably one percent of this conversation. So 41 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.840 if you're, you know, maybe tuning in to hear more 42 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:19.919 about that, I'm sorry, we're not really going to talk 43 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.520 too much. About that. Literally, it's like one percent and 44 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.719 nineteen percent is about just the crazy world we call 45 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:31.120 the indie filmmaking world. With guests Charmaine Starr, Hi Charmain, 46 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:32.400 thanks all for coming on the show. 47 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.120 Hi Dave, thank you for having me. 48 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.199 Oh it's my pleasure to have you here. You know, 49 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.759 I wanted to ask Charmain, you know, how you got 50 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.680 started in the film industry. It's a question I ask 51 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.159 everybody because nobody has the same exact story, and I 52 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.520 just wanted to ask, you know, how did you find 53 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.439 yourself in the film industry. 54 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.560 How I found myself in the film industry. It wasn't 55 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:00.639 It was not too long ago. I was in the 56 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:03.680 I started in the adult industry for quite some time, 57 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:09.960 about fifteen years. I you know. I did various films, 58 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:13.759 adult films, magazines, I you know, so I built a 59 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.919 name for myself. And I think it was around two 60 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:25.000 thousand and six or seven. My agent had a booking 61 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:29.800 for me. The director specifically wanted me in the movie. 62 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.960 So I didn't have to cast for this role. And 63 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:37.479 it was a very short role. It was for Black Dynamite, 64 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.919 and I didn't think anything of it. I thought it 65 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.400 was just you know, a usual mainstream because I've done 66 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.319 a few mainstreams for you know, I've shot for HBO, Cinemax, 67 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.080 some commercials, so I thought it was okay, you know, 68 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:55.280 just a little mainstream role. And then when I you know, 69 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:59.080 when I shot the film, everybody was really amazing, the 70 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.479 cast and crew, director, you know, Michael Jai White, you know, 71 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.599 everybody was really nice, and it was you know, it 72 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:07.759 was only a few days that I shot the film. 73 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:11.599 A year later, they gave me a call and they 74 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:13.639 said that the film was going to be in Sundance 75 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:18.240 Film Festival and that I was invited. So I thought 76 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.079 that I was surprised that this film, you know, was 77 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:27.079 went so big. And when I went to the film 78 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.800 Film Festival, Sentence Film Festival, I got picked up right 79 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:36.279 away by Sony Pictures, and you know, I I went 80 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.800 into this new world of the mainstream world of film 81 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.319 and I fell in love. I loved it. That's how 82 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.680 I started in the film, the you know, mainstream film industry. 83 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.199 So just to go back to when they first approached 84 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.199 you about being in Black Dynamite, So what were your 85 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.720 first impressions of actual of actually the film industry, of 86 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.120 you know, having to sort of you know, there's a 87 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.720 lot of waiting around. As they say, there's a lot 88 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:07.560 of downtime, So you know, did you find it a 89 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.600 lot more sort of hectic, slower faster? You know, what 90 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:11.800 were your first impressions of it? 91 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.120 Well, my first impressions were it was just it's just 92 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.800 like the same set that I you know, in the 93 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.759 adult industry. It was I mean, it's a big production. 94 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:25.399 I wasn't really nervous because it was just a set, 95 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:27.319 but I was kind of nervous because there was just 96 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.560 a little bit more people. There's just a lot more 97 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.240 people involved, and it was it wasn't you know, the 98 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.800 cast and crew and director I wasn't familiar with. So 99 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.759 you know, there was some downtime. But you know, that's 100 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.199 just how it is. You know, even in the adult industry, 101 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:48.920 there's always a lot of downtime. You got to wait 102 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.879 for your scene. So I'm used to that, so you know, 103 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.519 there wasn't anything new. Uh. The only thing was just 104 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.879 getting used to different people around me, you know, the 105 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.600 director and and the cast, because you know, I come 106 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.759 from a different world of film, so just meeting regular 107 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:11.639 actors and and you know, from that side of the world. 108 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.360 It's It's very interesting because they were surprised about me 109 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.319 because I was, you know, a little bit more confident 110 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.680 in you know, the scene because in the scene I was, 111 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.120 you know, I just be naked. But you know why 112 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.240 when I started this, you know this they shot the scene, 113 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.519 I had a robe on. So when the director said, 114 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.120 you know, he was ready, I you know, I was confident. 115 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.079 I didn't feel kind of insecure a while not showing 116 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.480 my body. But it's funny because the crew around me 117 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:43.879 were actually more shy, you know, they were like kind 118 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.480 of looking away and making me feel comfortable, like are 119 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.120 you okay? Here? Do you here's a towel. I'm like, no, no, no, 120 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:53.000 it's okay. I'm you know, I'm fine. So it was 121 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.360 it was very it was nice, it was sweet. You know, 122 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.120 they were you know, that's the only thing that was different. 123 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.480 You know, I would call Offfman from Troma Entertainment. I 124 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:02.759 don't know if you know who Lloyd is. 125 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:04.160 No. 126 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.639 I taught so he's he's been producing movies for like 127 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:11.480 thirty years. And one of the things that he found 128 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.639 was that you know, certain like actresses, whenever they have 129 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:17.439 to do like a nude scene like that, or maybe 130 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.120 you know, be in front of the camera like that. 131 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.240 They all they just the day of the shoot, they 132 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.720 get very tense, they start having you know, they start 133 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:25.920 you know saying, oh, I don't know if I want 134 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.040 to do this. And that's when he basically he approached 135 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:31.959 like Jenna Jamison at the time and said, you know, 136 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.399 would you want to do a scene where we can 137 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:35.319 just have you in in front of the camera And 138 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.439 she said, you know, I'm so used to it. It's 139 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.639 you know, it's like another day at the office, so 140 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.160 to speak. That's when he started getting like, you know, 141 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.560 more adult performers than some of his movies to do 142 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.639 scenes like that because they are so comfortable with it. 143 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.439 Yes, yeah, I totally agree with that. Yeah. I think 144 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:56.040 it's because of that, you know, being comfortable in front 145 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:01.399 of the camera, being professional, knowing the lighting, knowing your surroundings. 146 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.800 You know, it's much easier to work with somebody, you know, 147 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.079 in that if if there's a particular scene that has 148 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.399 that someone has to be naked or you know, uh, 149 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.120 it's it's not as it's not as hard to deal with. 150 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.279 Yeah. So so when you finally saw a black dye 151 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.000 my you know, you were you were showing a screening 152 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.360 of it, did you ask what did you think of 153 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.639 the movie? Initially, because I mean, it is a playoff 154 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.160 like the Grindhouse seventies movies, and and you know, being 155 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.639 a film nerd with no life, I really, you know, 156 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:32.600 got the movie right off the bat. I thought it 157 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.679 was hilarious. But I'm interested to know your thoughts. You know, 158 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.480 what was your first impressions of the movie. 159 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.799 Well, the first time I saw the film, I saw 160 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.120 it at Sundance Film Festival. I never went to the screen. 161 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.080 I mean it was it was the premiere there, and 162 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.320 to see myself in the big screen, h was amazing. 163 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:54.639 I was, I was, I don't know, I had a 164 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.720 eerie feeling, it was. It was amazing. And when I 165 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:59.600 saw the whole film, because I you know, I knew 166 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:05.440 it was a Kung Fu seventies, you know, black exploitation film, 167 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:08.039 I just, you know, I didn't see the whole film 168 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.159 because I only had those two days or few days 169 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:13.879 of shooting. And I absolutely loved it. I thought it 170 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.559 was hilarious because I'm you know, I'm I'm from California. 171 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.519 I grew up in the eighties nineties, so like the 172 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:23.240 whole you know, the style and the attitude and the slang. 173 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.519 I got it all. I understood it. I was laughing 174 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.559 the whole time it was. It was amazing. And plus 175 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.720 I love the whole Kung Fu thing too. It was amazing. 176 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:34.600 Yeah, I thought it was. It was great as well. 177 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.480 Especially you know again, it was a throwback, this that 178 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.200 seventies grindhouse feel to it. And I'm glad that it 179 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.240 took a you know, a quote unquote risk with that movie, 180 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.799 because you know, nowadays everything either has to be a 181 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:49.639 reboot or it has to be an existing intellectual property. 182 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.840 And it's it's you know, whenever you see a new, 183 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:54.879 fresh movie like this come out. 184 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.639 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor 185 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:03.519 and now back to the show. 186 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.320 It's too often that movies like this could just get 187 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:10.399 buried because you know that, you know, things happened by 188 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:12.960 by a panel and they go, oh, you know, black 189 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.360 dynamite or whatever. No one's gonna want watch that. But 190 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.639 I'm glad that it actually got the promotion that it 191 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.000 deserved because it was a fantastic film. 192 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.600 Oh yes, it was. You know, it's it's original. You know, 193 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.639 it's not you know, there there was. There weren't anti 194 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:30.600 parts where it was taken from another film or this 195 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.600 and that. It was just it was it was a collaboration, 196 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.799 but it was done very well. I mean it took 197 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.679 you know, it just got all these little parts of 198 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:45.440 history that that everybody, any American you know, like understands. 199 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:46.960 Yeah, exactly. 200 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:50.759 Yeah. It was very interesting, you know, Like I saw 201 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.159 the film a few times in America because there are 202 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.559 there were a few festivals, and the premiere was at 203 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:03.000 the Arc Light in Hollywood. I also attended the American 204 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:09.320 Delville Festival in France, and when they played the film 205 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.879 in front of the French people, uh, it was surprisingly 206 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:17.399 not funny for them. You you can you can hear, 207 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.159 like just so there were only two people laughing in 208 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.519 the whole theater and it was just me and the director. 209 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:26.480 It wasn't anyone else like it was. So it was 210 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.039 weird because they didn't understand the you know, the the 211 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:36.159 American you know humor per se, so you didn't hear. 212 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.840 They were just kind of watching it like what is this? 213 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:42.559 So it was weird, but it was it was very 214 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:45.559 interesting to see, you know, that movie in a different 215 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:49.399 country and their reaction. It was very it was funny. 216 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:51.360 Yeah, and that that brings up a good point just 217 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.759 about you know, the sort of cultural differences, you know, 218 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:57.840 between American humor and maybe French humor. You know, I 219 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.759 think it was I think it was John Carpenter who 220 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.000 said that in France he's a horror filmmaker. In uh, 221 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.679 in England he's a I'm sorry, and France he's an 222 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:09.799 all tour. In England he's a horror filmmaker, and in 223 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.799 America he's a bum. And basically what he meant by 224 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:17.519 that was they all have different interpretations of everything, and uh, 225 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.080 you know, John Carpenter's is a genius as well, and uh, 226 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.000 but it's just but it's just always interesting to see 227 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.919 those types of things. And as we speak about that, Charmaine, 228 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.480 one of the things that I heard about was that 229 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.960 movie studios now are thinking about releasing different cuts of 230 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.480 the different of the film, so like you might see 231 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.840 somewhere else, more often they than they already do. Basically 232 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:40.879 that means so that way he'll play Kate maybe audiences 233 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.080 in China, and it'll play Kate audiences in France and 234 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.159 play Kate audiences in Germany. That way, instead of just 235 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:47.799 trying to release the same thing. I mean, they already 236 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:49.519 do that anyway, but now I'm saying like more and 237 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.240 more so, and it's probably could have come to the 238 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:55.480 indie level as well, because you know, just so again 239 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:59.320 because now Netflix is everyone has Netflix nowadays, so so. 240 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:01.759 But but to avoid something like that where there was 241 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.000 almost like no laughter in the whole theater. 242 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.399 Oh yeah, it was funny. It was like they yeah, 243 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.080 they had no clue what you know why it was funny. 244 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.799 And you know, like the scene where you know, like 245 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.480 they were at the restaurant and how they discovered chicken 246 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.240 and waffles, you know, you know, I don't know if 247 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.759 you remember that scene where when they said chicken and 248 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.360 waffles and we know, chicken and waffles. You know, it's 249 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.639 it's a very American, you know thing. And in France 250 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.639 they were just like h okay, and they're just like, 251 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.440 oh god. I had to like hide myself from laughing 252 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.120 because I know the movie is funny, and the people 253 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.679 around me were just like, what's so funny? So it 254 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.600 was yeah, but it was interesting, It was it was fun. 255 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:48.919 Yeah, and I'm glad you had a good experience, you know, 256 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.240 with it, because you know, sometimes you know, on first 257 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.240 movie sets like that. So again, like I was saying 258 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:57.320 about down times and things like that, some people can 259 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.559 sort of come away and be like, yeah, I did 260 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.480 that one to never again. And I'll give you an 261 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.799 example of that. I was on a film set run time, 262 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.519 and we had to be in a bar and this 263 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.720 bar saying this is years ago when I uh, I 264 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:11.240 was doing background work and I actually was in this 265 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.200 bar in the middle of August and here in Philadelphia, 266 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:16.879 and it was so hot and they had to turn 267 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:21.200 off the air conditioner in the bar. When I walked out, 268 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.879 I literally looked like I jumped at a pool. And 269 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:26.720 I got back out, I was like, my shirt, it 270 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:28.879 was a blue shirt I was wearing. You could like, 271 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:32.799 it was just all this yeah, yeah, And a couple 272 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:34.279 of people were like, hey, this is you know, our 273 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:36.399 first thing, Like is this what this is like? Because 274 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.960 we're never going to do it again, and I was like, no, 275 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.480 this is just a bad situation. 276 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:41.279 You know. 277 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.399 So as you sure, you know, as you completed Black Dynamite, 278 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.360 you know, you know, what, did you want to go 279 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:50.080 back into into into into the film world or maybe 280 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.279 even TV. Did you you say to maybe your agent 281 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.080 manager at the time if you had one, Hey, I 282 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:55.360 want to get more parts like this. 283 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.600 Yeah, you know, I did after after I had that experience, 284 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.200 you know, I I've kind of I think during that time, 285 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.360 I think it was two thousand and eight nine, I 286 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.679 was at the level of my adult career where I 287 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.440 didn't have to shoot as much. You know, I've already 288 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.919 built a name for myself. So I had different goals 289 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.960 of you know, changing my career, you know, crossing over, 290 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.399 you know, talking to my managers and agents and telling them, Okay, 291 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:31.320 if there are any you know, mainstream you know television films, 292 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.120 you know, bring them my way. I you know, I 293 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.919 didn't want to do scenes anymore. They're you know, like 294 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:40.240 boy girl scenes. But I was only particular to doing 295 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.600 just girl girl scenes. So I slowly changed my career. 296 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.159 And I also featured dance, so I you know, I 297 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.879 traveled a lot, you know, once or twice a month 298 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.360 feature dancing all over you know, all over the country. 299 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.639 So that took up a lot of my time. That way, 300 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:57.960 I didn't have to shoot adult film and I can 301 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:03.039 focus on you know, crossing over. So I I did, 302 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.679 you know, I I shot a lot of uh, you know, 303 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.200 for Cinemax, you know, the the I was a series 304 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.639 regular on you know on you know those sex what 305 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.480 is it? I forgot those It's been a while here, 306 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:20.600 you know, the the softcore you know, the Skin of 307 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.879 Max stuff. So that even though it wasn't I mean, 308 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.840 it was mainstream, but you know, I I I was, 309 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.639 you know, I was interested in doing more of film. 310 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.120 I liked the whole world of film, especially indie film. 311 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:40.679 So I found another agent that was specializing in in 312 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.879 just film and I did a lot of you know, 313 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.919 I tried, I did casting. I cast it for some parts, 314 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.480 but it never worked out. I don't know, I was 315 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.919 never picked or anything. So the next film that I did, 316 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.879 it was The Face of Evil and it was actually 317 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.879 a friend of mine. He was you know, he was 318 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.599 involved in in the mainstream industry, and he asked me 319 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.400 if I was interested or just can you read for 320 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.519 this film that I'm you know, my friend is doing 321 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.279 he's directing. And I said, okay, I'll give it a try. 322 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:17.759 And the director asked me, would you like there was 323 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.480 two parts when it was the main role or this 324 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.279 other role. And he told me that the other role 325 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.440 fit me best because of my personality, because he says, 326 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.279 I can bring it out more. So I just I 327 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.920 also took that as an opportunity like it was. It 328 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.640 was very I don't know, like the two films that 329 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.599 I've done, they've came to me, which I'm grateful for. 330 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.559 So I never really had the opportunity to really you know, 331 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.640 like other actors, you know, where they have to cast 332 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.640 and then they get picked, but you have to do 333 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.279 more casting, you know how like they like a reoccur 334 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.880 you know, they have to cast again or read again. 335 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:57.720 I never had that opportunity. 336 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:01.480 So when we talk about casting, Sherman, I wanted to 337 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.519 actually ask did you ever found yourself maybe you know, 338 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:09.200 type cast or maybe given similar roles and meaning like 339 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.279 you know, I've had friends of mine who are from 340 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.559 the Middle East, they're their Middle Eastern background, and they said, Dave, 341 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.440 the only things that we ever get are two things. 342 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.200 Number one is like an Indian shop clerk, or number 343 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.839 two is playing like a suspicious terrorist type uh. And 344 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:27.359 I and they they always they always talk to me 345 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.359 about that, And I just wanted to ask, you know, 346 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.839 do you ever find yourself typecast and in roles maybe 347 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.279 at all? Or do you do you do you not 348 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:35.960 experience that. 349 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:41.000 I I think I've gotten typecast before a few times, 350 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:43.759 you know, Asian girl either Asian or and and I'm 351 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:49.640 you know, I'm comfortable doing nudity. I'm also and yeah, 352 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:51.759 just a sex you know, like if I could, if 353 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.440 I'm able to show my boobs or you know, be naked. 354 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.759 H so, but not really well yeah that's it. And 355 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.000 then like when you know, the new that other film 356 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.839 Catch twenty two, it was an Asian girl, but you know, 357 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.200 I was approached with that that character, so I never 358 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.079 really had to I mean, I never had to cast 359 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.160 for that either, which is hey, that was nice, you know, 360 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.119 but yeah, I I never really experienced it, you know. 361 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.319 So Okay, now, I mean I always just wanted to 362 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:23.839 ask that because, you know, again because I was well, 363 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.279 because the reason I brought that I was because I 364 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:26.640 had a friend of mine who was bringing that up 365 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.079 again about that whole thing about being being sort of typecasted, 366 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.079 and I just saw I always you know, I always 367 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.359 asked that to actors too, because sometimes even when a 368 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.000 person plays a bad guy, you know, they never get 369 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.720 out of playing a bad guy. There always a bad guy. 370 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.640 Well yeah, you know, I mean right now, you know 371 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:48.440 I I you know, I'm comfortable showing my body, you know, 372 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:54.559 and I'm Asian. So that's pretty much my category. Right now. 373 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.680 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 374 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:03.880 and now back to the show. 375 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:07.480 And the two films that I know I'm you know, 376 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:13.079 I've i've naked, and you know I'm Asian. But you know, 377 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.519 it is what it is, you know, it's it's a 378 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.359 part sometimes. I mean, you can't. I can't change into 379 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.359 a Latina or a black girl also, you know what 380 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:22.720 I mean. 381 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.680 Yeah, yeah, Well, my my prediction is this, in the 382 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.119 next I think five to actually probably serving that probably 383 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.680 next three to five years, I think the the roles 384 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.880 for Asians are going to skyrocket because they're the the 385 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.759 market over there. Japan's always you know, Japan and Japan. 386 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.119 But China they have the largest film industry in the world. 387 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.039 Sorry they are really yeah they actually I'm sorry. Actually 388 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.400 Bollywood is still number one, but but China's coming it 389 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:54.039 was fast becoming number one. And then you have obviously 390 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:57.880 Vietnam's on the rise. South Korea is is also uh 391 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.960 they have a wonderful film market. Some of the best 392 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.680 filmmakers the world actually come from South Korea, and I 393 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.400 mean it's just been That's why I think you're going 394 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.200 to start seeing. And then again I mentioned Bollywood, which 395 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.039 is in India. I meant that I'm predicting there's going 396 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.319 to be a lot more different types of roles also 397 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.720 because if Hollywood wants to keep exporting movies to those 398 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.400 big markets, they're going to have to appeal to those markets. 399 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:22.519 So that's why I think those Asian Asian roles are 400 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:25.279 just going to not be so stereotyped anymore and they're 401 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:26.359