WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.039 Oh, friend of the are, Hello, and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.240 This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name's Jonathan, 3 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.640 I'm Jacob, and today we get one of my boys 4 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.600 who has made several appearances on Meta Mysteries. Welcome finally 5 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.640 to the show, Lord Byron Jester. 6 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.079 How's it going, guys, Thanks for having me on, looking 7 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.120 forward to it. 8 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:09.239 We are so stoked about this because look, you know, 9 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.760 whenever you come on to Meta Mysteries, we're kind of 10 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.879 seeking some kind of spiritual enlightenment, looking at the light side, 11 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.480 looking at the good stuff that you can gain from 12 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.640 magic and wizardry and all of this, you know, occultism 13 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.280 and stuff like that. But I figure it's about time 14 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.280 we brought you over here to the cult because we 15 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.799 cover a lot of occult like behavior. As a matter 16 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:35.959 of fact, just yesterday we just covered a book called 17 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.159 The Dragon Legacy. Have you ever heard of this book? 18 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:40.000 No? I have not. 19 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:42.959 I get yeah. It hasn't been out very long. I 20 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.400 mean relatively, it's been out since two thousand and four. 21 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.519 But it was by basically an occultist who Jacob what 22 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:50.599 was his background again? 23 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.599 So, and I gotta tell you, I even did more 24 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.000 fact checking on the Homeboy today as a matter of fact, 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.159 and it's kind of crazy how much his leney it 26 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.879 checks out. But I still find a few fallacies of 27 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.000 things written. But either way, so this guy named Nicholas 28 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:10.159 de Vere of the Devere royal family. Okay, and by 29 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.800 royal family, yes, it's not the Hapsburgs, it's not the Plantagenets, 30 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:17.280 but there is record all the way back to a 31 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.199 poem written in the eleven hundreds that says the name 32 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.240 of de Vere. How this is one of the most 33 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.599 ancient royal families. 34 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.400 Okay. And so basically. 35 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:30.520 Homeboy grew up in the woods and a cabin with 36 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:33.560 his mother and father, again royal family, but they chose 37 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.280 to live off in the woods and teach him these 38 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:41.000 occult practices, this magical rituals of different types, different varying degrees. 39 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.120 His father gave him something called the King's Touch, which 40 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:48.800 is apparently another type of powerful magical ability. And one 41 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:51.120 day some friends of his said, why don't you just 42 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:52.639 write down all this knowledge. 43 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.439 That you have into a book, and so he did so. 44 00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:01.560 Essentially, he makes the claim that the Sumerian gods bred 45 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.280 with humans, and that there's three classifications of people walking 46 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.520 the Earth today. There's the Druidic rank, which was it's 47 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:10.639 a thing that you are born into. It is a 48 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.240 bloodline thing. It's not something you can earn. It's not 49 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.319 something you can attain through enlightenment. You are you are, 50 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.159 or you are not. Then there's the middle tier of 51 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:23.199 semi half breed types. He didn't use the word nephalom, 52 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.560 but he did basically describe the story of the nephilom 53 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.280 gods mixed with humans cut to one thousand generations later. 54 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.400 These dudes have a little sum extra with them, not 55 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.120 fully human, not fully god that way in between. Then 56 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.120 there was the underlings and the regular human class, and 57 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.759 he broke these all down, basically saying that some of 58 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:43.599 us are just born better and you know, sorry if 59 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.280 you're not like us with your royal blood. But you know, 60 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.840 he basically sectioned off that because of bloodlines, certain people 61 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.560 are more powerful than others. Outside of the money and 62 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.520 the power, he's basically saying, just because you're a king 63 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.280 over this land for the past two general that's cute. 64 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.080 My family's been in charge of things for too millennia. 65 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.639 So that type of claim he was getting into, like 66 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:12.520 how his name devere translated into Overlord and stuff like 67 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.719 that too, So I just wanted to bring it up 68 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.680 in case you had gone over anything like that. 69 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.079 No, it sounds real fascinating though. I'd be down to 70 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:20.720 look into it. 71 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.079 Oh yeah, he credits He credits Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, 72 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:26.680 and even the Bappha mets so. 73 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.680 Oh and Jehovah for being the author of the best 74 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:33.160 selling novel The. 75 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:34.399 Holy Bible of All Time. 76 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:36.759 He even made that acknowledgment in the book, and it's like, 77 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:41.240 you know, that's his words, you mean, But but I 78 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.600 will ask you this though, because and I've been having 79 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.519 a lot of conversation with people about Druidism, Okay, and 80 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.439 that's a big, a big topic with a big old 81 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.360 question mark on it because there's not a lot of 82 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.839 things actually known with your background. 83 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:55.439 What do you know about Druidism? 84 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:02.800 Yeah, you know, like I've learned a lot. And uh, 85 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:07.600 when you start getting into like new chronology and how 86 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.519 jacked up our timeline is, and then all of our 87 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.079 all of our documents about our ancient history, all of 88 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.279 them come from the Vatican. So I mean, it's it's 89 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:23.279 it's hard to say, you know, it's, uh, how much 90 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.240 of it's true, how much of it's not, you know, 91 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.839 like how primitive they were or how you know it's. 92 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:31.759 Well, then I'm let me ask you this instead. 93 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.519 What about this neo druidism that's coming around, like the 94 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.279 neopaganism movements and all that, people that are claiming that 95 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.680 they are trying to become druids. 96 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.439 Do you think there's anything behind that or where is that? 97 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:45.839 Well? I look at stuff like that as a as 98 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.839 a good start, like neopaganism, Jurdery, uh even Wicca. You know, 99 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.279 like like everyone starts somewhere, Like even a lot of 100 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.480 good Black magicians started off with the Satanic Bible and 101 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:58.480 then they've went on to bigger and better things later. 102 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:03.360 Uh So whatever gets you started, you know. So it's 103 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.319 not where you start off, it's important. It's where you 104 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:08.199 end up. You know, Like a lot of the people 105 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:09.839 have been in the truth game for a long time, 106 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:15.600 started with like Anunaki and Neberu and JFK and now 107 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:21.000 it's you know, you know, more like geocentrism and you know, yeah, 108 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.439 stuff like that. So I look at it. I try 109 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.839 not to judge people and where they're at as long 110 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:30.199 as you get started and finding a meaningful form of spirituality. 111 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.040 Even if it's Abrahamic. It doesn't really matter as long 112 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.240 as you get started and you start trying to understand 113 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.000 that there's techniques involved, you start isolating those techniques, you 114 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.040 start perfecting them, and then more importantly, you start applying 115 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:46.079 them to some type of practical goal, right. 116 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.120 Right, and and so that's what's great I think too. 117 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.839 I mean, not necessarily the dark side, but I guess 118 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.120 if you're getting started, somewhere there at least is some 119 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:56.800 kind of lamp inside of you, right, like the whole 120 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:59.480 third eye kind of situation. But look, before we get 121 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.079 too off the weeds about certain specifics and whatnot, let 122 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.360 the cult members know, you know, maybe a little bit 123 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.160 of your history. Where did you get started and where 124 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:11.160 have you kind of evolved to within you know, your 125 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:15.240 philosophy of just looking at the world and and magic 126 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:16.160 and all that stuff. 127 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.040 Yeah, I got started at a young age for the 128 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:21.759 most part. It was one of the things that keptuting 129 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.160 on the shelf. But I grew up on a small 130 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.199 island on the eastern shore of Virginia, and it's really 131 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.160 touristy now, like basically, like rich people from New York 132 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:33.639 bought up a big chunk of the island. There's got 133 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.800 condos on there now. But back in the day, it 134 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.920 was like a small town, you know. But I grew 135 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.199 up in a house that was the old funeral home 136 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.800 for the island, and so, you know, there was like 137 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:48.959 a lot of spirits. You know, you see stuff all 138 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.079 the time. You know, it really wasn't too big of 139 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.480 a deal. But you know, I didn't know that it 140 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:54.879 was a funeral home at the time. You know, your 141 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:56.160 parents are going to tell you that they're going to 142 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.519 freak a kid out, you know, right, And so I 143 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.240 didn't find that out till later on. So I was like, 144 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.079 what you mean all that stuff was real, you know, 145 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:04.959 all that stuff I. 146 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.560 Saw about how old were you when you made that revelation? 147 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.079 Oh, it was it was it was late. I was 148 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:12.480 probably an adult. 149 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:13.959 Okay, yeah, it was. 150 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.240 It was late, or at least close to an adult, 151 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.480 you know, it was later on. Uh but you know, 152 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.959 like they were like, oh, that's just your imagination, You're 153 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.319 just dreamings, Like I'm pretty sure I saw a lady 154 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.839 walk down the stairs. I'm pretty sure I saw that. 155 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.159 It looked pretty clear. And then so you. 156 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.360 Grew up your whole childhood in that house. You'll moved 157 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.000 around there for a little bit. 158 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.960 Yeah, I was there for a little bit. Uh and 159 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.120 then I'd go back because it was my grandparents' house, 160 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:47.759 and I'd go back and spend the summer with them 161 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:51.600 every year. But my dad was military, so for a 162 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.480 while there he was stationed on the island, is why? 163 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.120 And we and uh so now it's kind of a 164 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.919 grandma's boy too, and it take got from my grandfather 165 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.200 a lot. That's the Jester side of the family. 166 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:05.759 Nice. 167 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.080 Nice, but so so my dad got stationed. Basically, it's 168 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.519 a military town and that's where I spent the first 169 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:19.039 few years of elementary school at. And this was a 170 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.559 weird place. Like I said, it's a military town. It's 171 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.159 not too far from Norfolk, Virginia. 172 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.000 Let's say which town Portsmouth. 173 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:32.519 Okay, wait, your dad was doing like naval designs and things. 174 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:33.639 Coast Guard. 175 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.480 Okay, very cool, very cool. 176 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:38.639 Yeah, I was saying, not many people get stationed in 177 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:40.080 that particular neck of the woods. 178 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.600 That's why I was like, hold on what exactly? You 179 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:42.960 know what I mean? 180 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.840 That's that's awesome, se Yeah, Coastguard, y'all are moving around 181 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:49.320 a decent amount, but getting stationed near y'all's home, so 182 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.679 to speak, by your grandparents. 183 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.840 I mean that was sick at least for that time period. 184 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:57.000 Oh, I loved it. And there's like my my my family, 185 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.000 the Jester is they were some of the first settlers 186 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.159 on the island. Uh. So there's like a couple of 187 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.679 streets named after him there and everything, you know, So 188 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.519 it's it's there's some history there. 189 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:07.919 Yeah, I got some ties to the land for sure. Man. 190 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.399 Oh yeah. And so when I was going to school, 191 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.480 it's basically a military school, even though it's not a 192 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:17.399 military school, has academy in the name. And uh, it's 193 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.519 really bizarre because so like I'd been going out of 194 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:22.720 body since as long as I can remember, I've been 195 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:25.799 having like actual projections and going out of body, seeing 196 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.159 things before they happen and stuff. And uh, when I 197 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.440 was going to the school, it's so weird because they 198 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.000 would pull me out of class and have me take 199 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.759 these really weird, bizarre tests. And there was only like 200 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:38.399 one other kid that I saw, he was in a 201 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.519 different grade, in a totally different section of the school 202 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.559 than me, that would take these tests. And we did 203 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:45.200 them like by ourselves. Like I would go in be 204 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.399 here's the only other kid I ever saw there. And 205 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:50.759 the weird thing is I would always dream because I 206 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:52.360 had like really bad days. You I would always dream 207 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:53.879 what was going to happen to me the day before, 208 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.320 you know, so I'd wake up knowing like what was 209 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:57.639 going to happen to me throughout the day. 210 00:10:57.960 --> 00:10:58.879 That was quick. 211 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.720 Yeah, all the time. I'd always try to change things 212 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:07.240 and I never could. But they uh so, But these 213 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.440 tests were really bizarre because they're because they're basically just 214 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:14.039 kind of using like superhero kind of motifs. But the 215 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.200 but the gist of the test was to see like 216 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.440 how well you could keep a secret. 217 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.519 Uh wait wait wait, wait real quick, we mean superhero motifs. 218 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:24.559 Break that down a little bit. 219 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:28.360 Well back in the day, uh, they had like this. 220 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.240 It's it's kind of like a like a microfilm type 221 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.559 of It's almost like a like a like a really 222 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.200 primitive computer had like microfilm in it, and they had 223 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.879 like a dialogue like a tape that went with it. 224 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.200 You just click and click and click and click and 225 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:46.240 go through it. But they would have like these superheroes 226 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.679 and they would do something and then you would witness 227 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:50.960 it and then they would just try to see like 228 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.279 how well you could keep a secret. Would you do 229 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.759 the right thing? No matter what, would you do something 230 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.639 messed up if if it meant do finishing the mission. 231 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:00.600 You know. 232 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:02.639 It was like these really bizarre things. But they were 233 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.480 definitely like narrowing down your brain type. But the weird 234 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:08.960 thing is is I would always know when they were 235 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.039 gonna pick me up and do these tests with me, 236 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:15.639 and I didn't see anyone else do it, you know, 237 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.519 so so they were definitely they definitely scout people for 238 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:19.559 something like. 239 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:21.720 I don't know if anyone's know about these, I. 240 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.360 Don't think so. 241 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:24.960 So this happened during the school day. 242 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:26.799 You would come home and just think, you know, I 243 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.639 took a extra test at school today, No real reason 244 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:30.799 to bring that up or anything. 245 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:33.720 Yeah, I didn't even really bring it up. I didn't 246 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.279 think anything of it. My brother was only a year 247 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.919 younger than me, he wasn't a grade younger than me, 248 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.919 and and he didn't do it either, you know. And 249 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.039 he's pretty psychic too, just a different kind of psychic, 250 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:51.200 you know, what do you mean. He's like more kind 251 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:57.320 of empathic, and and he can he's really spiteful. He 252 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.440 has an above average ability to focus his hate onto 253 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:02.720 a person and then release that hate and fucked the 254 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.720 person up really bad. You know, he can't. My brother's 255 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:08.559 the last person on Earth you would ever want to 256 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.960 learn magic, you know. 257 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.840 So he's the type of person that would become a 258 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:16.399 super villain if they had the ability. 259 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.320 I I feel that, Yeah, he would do some van damage, okay, 260 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:25.440 and possibly on the wrong people, but he's but he's uh, 261 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:28.759 he's crippled some people and he you know, some people 262 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.639 have died after him just like just focusing on his hate. 263 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.919 He is he has a natural ability for that. 264 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:40.000 Allegedly cult member allegedly allegedly whereabouts may or may not 265 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.759 have happened. 266 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.919 We don't even be knowing, Okay, So so. 267 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.519 Yeah, that was that was pretty weird, and it was 268 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.240 really starting to ramp up. And then I remember on 269 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.240 the last day of school, I went home and then 270 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.919 my parents were getting a divorce. Uh my dad was 271 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:00.159 going up to Alaska, and uh then we moved to 272 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.000 Washington and then I just kind of forgot about it, 273 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.679 and I didn't even think anything of it until like 274 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.919 I think, like around twenty twelve, and like a lot 275 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:10.759 of that super soldier stuff started coming out, and I 276 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:12.720 don't think like that was going on with me. You know, 277 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.799 I'm not like a fancy boy or something where I 278 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.600 think I'm something I'm not. And even though I think 279 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:19.840 there was some turds in the punch bowl with that 280 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.279 whole uh scene, but that's what you kind of jogged 281 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.000 my memory. I was like, wait a minute, you know, 282 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.120 because people are talking about like the Gate project and stuff. 283 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.720 I was like, it was pretty weird that I was 284 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:31.799 the only person I saw. No one in from my 285 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.559 class got pulled out to go do these tests, and 286 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.039 you know, it just kind of made me remember it, 287 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:39.480 you know, I was like, wait a minute, that was 288 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.440 pretty weird. It didn't happen to me anywhere in Washington, 289 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:47.159 only in that one school, let me on a military base. 290 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.480 If you can remember here, do you know about what 291 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:51.279 year we're talking here? 292 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:52.720 Oh? God? 293 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:58.840 Uh like ballparking ere we talking were nineties eighties. 294 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:03.080 Par like eighty seven, eighty eight to ninety one. 295 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:08.639 Okay, okay, so the Cold War was still a thing. Yeah, yeah, No, 296 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:10.120 I'm just I'm trying to get a feel for it, 297 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.039 because you think about this all right outside looking in. 298 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:18.080 If the government was going to do tests on a 299 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.840 certain like let's say it really was a random thing, 300 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.720 and let's say, let's try to go with it, you know, 301 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.320 the official narrative that they would try to give for 302 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.919 something like this, They just pulled a random kid out 303 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:30.919 of class and gave them these little tests that they 304 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:32.519 were doing. It would make sense that they would do 305 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:36.000 that to a military kid at school, because of course 306 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.919 nobody would ever say anything about that, so whatever. But 307 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.039 specifically you, I could see that. 308 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:42.480 Yeah. 309 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.519 Well, and by the way, anybody that was ever curious, 310 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.519 and we may have to do a show on that. 311 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:52.200 It's pretty interesting. But the GATE program, it's GATE stands 312 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.960 for Gifted and Talented Education. So they clearly saw something 313 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.960 in you. Whether they were testing your psychic abilities or 314 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.919 testing your loyalty or whatever, there was something within your 315 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.799 testing or maybe your menuism. 316 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:06.399 I don't know. 317 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:08.279 I don't even know how they would know that it 318 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:08.600 was you. 319 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.399 Yeah, I don't either. That's that's the real, uh, kind 320 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:13.480 of trippy thing about it. 321 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.320 But it makes sense there would be a military kid though, right, 322 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.000 because let's say you did say something, you did. 323 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:20.759 Go and tell your parents about it. What's your dad 324 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:21.120 gonna do? 325 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.039 Tell his boss who will threaten to demote him or 326 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:25.559 throw him in the brig if he even says some 327 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:26.360 shit about it again. 328 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.519 And the thing is like, even though it's a Coastguard family, 329 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.840 there's a lot of naval intelligence there. 330 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.440 Oh, people sleep on the Coastguard and like, look, I'm 331 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.639 one of them. I will shit on them. 332 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.840 Out of brotherly love and respect. 333 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.799 Okay, fine, but people do need to realize Coastguard has 334 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.519 the same level of security clearance as every other branch. 335 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.279 They have their special operations groups, they have all of 336 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:54.159 the same things, and yes, they may be an easy 337 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.039 target for jokes, but like, dude, they are not to 338 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.960 be slept on. They still have the military industrial comp 339 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.440 behind them. They are still a part of the United 340 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.920 States assets and that means they still have a budget 341 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:06.200 to wage war against God. 342 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.440 So oh, dude, like no slouches. 343 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.440 It was like five or six seven years ago somewhere 344 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.319 in there that I had taken a trip down to 345 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.839 the World War Two Museum down in New Orleans, and 346 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:17.559 I saw, like, I went there and you know, you 347 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:19.920 get to see all the different branches of military and everything. 348 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.680 But dude, there was something about the Coast Guard that 349 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.400 really pulled me in and I swear like I was. 350 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:27.480 I was getting ready to sign up. I was gonna 351 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:29.000 do it, and that's whenever they told me I was 352 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:29.440 too fat. 353 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.480 So the other side of that is the Coast Guard 354 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:40.200 is under Homeland Security and Department of Defense technically speaking, yes, 355 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:41.799 so keep that in mind. 356 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:44.359 That means that that's like the FBI and the CIA 357 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.920 as far as Coast Guard intelligence goes because their Homeland 358 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.480 Security and Department of Defense, that's homeland and international. 359 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.279 Yeah, and they go to that shit. 360 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.359 They go to Antarctica and the North Pole all the time. 361 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:58.119 They do. 362 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.640 Yeah, they break ice My dad was on icebreaker both pools. 363 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.359 Absolutely. Oh man, your dad had been all over. 364 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.079 Then if you want to call it a pole anyway, 365 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.839 this outpole right right whatever on. 366 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:13.240 A flat earth. You know, I don't know if that 367 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:14.319 globe tard. 368 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.519 I'm sorry, I'm just setting my ways, I suppose. 369 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.440 So anyway, let's let's get back to the story here. Byron, 370 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:21.039 you're upbreaking. 371 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:27.119 Yeah, yeah, so that was about it. Magic was something 372 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.039 I said I kind of kept getting into. When my 373 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:32.920 parents divorced, my mom hooked up with this guy and 374 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.799 he was a conspiracy guy, and this is you know, 375 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.480 like nineteen ninety one, I would say. But he had 376 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:43.279 like giant like refrigerator boxes or washing machine like giant boxes, 377 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.720 like you know, like old school TV boxes, just huge 378 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.400 boxes full of like every books of every conspiracy you 379 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:54.000 can imagine, you know, the you know, UFOs, Bigfoot, all 380 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.759 the paranormal hauntings. He had a bunch of books on magic, 381 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:00.519 and you had cult like Francis Barress. The it's like 382 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.920 everything you can imagine. The Philadelphia Experience experiment, you know, 383 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.319 that was the Philadelphia Experiment was like my jam when 384 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:08.519 I was a little kid, when I was in like 385 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.480 third grade. That was like the most fascinating thing to me. 386 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:13.440 It was Philadelphia Experiment. 387 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:16.240 Hell yeah, dude, whenever you can whenever you can jump 388 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.640 timelines and then you come back to the timeline and 389 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.480 you're fucking buried within the wall of the ship or whatever. 390 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:23.279 Like yeah, that's all it's like. 391 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:25.160 And it's like a writer. Around the time to Oliver 392 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:28.240 Stones movie JFK came out, so it was a big 393 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:32.160 good time to be a conspiracy theorist. Even in you know, eight, nine, 394 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:35.480 ten years old when I was, it was still a 395 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.440 good time to be a conspiracy theorist. Because because then 396 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.720 ninety three happened and that was the thirty year anniversary 397 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.920 of the JFK, A bunch of new books came out, 398 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.240 and you know, like that that that shaped my mind. 399 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.720 And so I was reading books on magic. One of 400 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.319 the books I read was Francis Barrett's The Magus. And 401 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:57.880 you know, I had like an actual crystal ball, like 402 00:19:57.920 --> 00:19:59.400 a solid piece of crystal. 403 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.000 And yeah, that thing could not have been cheap. 404 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:05.559 It was. It was a small one. It was like this, 405 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:07.599 but it was solid one, you know. Yeah, but I 406 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:09.880 was a little kid, so it was like bigger than me, 407 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.079 but what you know, and uh and it was still 408 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.359 rat like, oh cool, I have a crystal ball, you know. 409 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:19.039 And uh, you know, I did a couple rituals of 410 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.000 that book. I mean, so, you know, The Magus is 411 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.319 written in like the early I think, like eighteen o 412 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.039 one or something. I mean, that's a hard book to 413 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:29.400 read when you're a little kid, you know, it's not easy. 414 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.240 It's like a completely different language, did you speak, especially coming. 415 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.279 From the South, no doubt, no doubt, completely. 416 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:40.559 Different language, you know. And so that was pretty fascinating 417 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.000 and then I just kind of kept putting it on 418 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:43.799 the shelf like I was going out of body. I 419 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:46.559 was having all these experiences, you know, I'd wake up 420 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:48.960 knowing what's going to happen to me. But magic, which 421 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.039 is something like I got into it later when I 422 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:52.839 was a teenager. I put it back on the shelf 423 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.200 and and and I'm kind of glad I did, you know, 424 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.640 because when you're like fourth grade, f great, You're not 425 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.240 supposed to be sitting there like doing magic, and you know, 426 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.960 doing all this weird stuff alone in the bedroom at night. 427 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.519 You know, you're you're supposed to be like playing sports 428 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.039 with your brother, is riding a bike around town, getting 429 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.160 in fist fights with kids from other neighborhoods, you know. 430 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:17.759 Like and when we say magic, we're not talking about 431 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:18.799 card tricks over here. 432 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.440 No, I'm talking about like something spirits and shit. Yeah, yeah, 433 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:24.359 that's card tricks. 434 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.319 Well, some people will say magic is in stage magic 435 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.000 like you know, illusions. 436 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:35.759 Yet I prefer the word sorcery. But people get kind 437 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.319 of triggered by that, especially, you know, like people that 438 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:39.279 aren't used to magic. 439 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.880 There can I ask you sorcery you're making this distinction. 440 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.200 We're talking about making real things happen in the physical 441 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.519 word in the world, excuse me, in real time, not 442 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.720 putting intentions out there and like believing it's gonna happen 443 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:56.160 one day. 444 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.559 You're talking about practical magic, correct, Yeah, yeah. 445 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:07.519 Totally and and and I'll definitely get into that. So 446 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:08.920 so I kind of kept putting it on the shelf. 447 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:14.039 And you know, then, you know, when I when I 448 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:17.759 was like, you know, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, you know, I 449 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:20.960 started like partying, you know, I mean, I was living 450 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.960 in Washington State, so everyone parties there. A sixteen year 451 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.279 old kid, seventeen, eighteen year old kid in Washington, steak 452 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:28.640 could easily drink a marine on the East Coast under 453 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.880 the table. And not only could we drink them under 454 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.519 the table, like we'd be eating a bag of mushrooms 455 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.799 and smoking blunts while we did it. You know, So 456 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:38.240 that is a. 457 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:43.079 Bowl claim to make to a marine, be honest with you, However, 458 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:44.839 I don't. 459 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.599 Know, Oh it's a claim. 460 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.039 I can't say anything about myself now, But twenty year 461 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.160 old Jacob would have bellied up to the bar on 462 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:52.880 that challenge. 463 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:53.079 Well. 464 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.079 Also, sixteen year old Jacob was a good Christian boy. 465 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.119 He wasn't doing all that. 466 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.400 Oh god, sixteen year old Jacob was is but a sweet, sweet, tender, 467 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.759 pink little lad in this world had had no idea 468 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:08.680 what the real world was about. Twenty year old Jacob 469 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:13.039 had discovered the world. Thirty year old Jacob had just 470 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.160 about got it figured out. I'm thirty two now, I'll 471 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.759 let you know what's happening these days, you know. 472 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.799 But yeah, I mean it's just one of those things 473 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.400 like Washington State has like the highest drug and alcohol 474 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.680 tolllarnts I've ever seen in the country. And I thought 475 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.359 it was normal. I thought everyone was like. 476 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:30.519 That until altitude. Man, it builds them different. 477 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:33.920 Yeah, And well, I think it's the lack of sunlight, 478 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.319 you know. I think they're like you cope with seasonal 479 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.799 depression by drinking. 480 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:38.519 Fact, you know. 481 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.920 And uh, but I never noticed until I go to 482 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.279 other places and party, and I would be like embarrassed 483 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:46.319 for people. I was like, dude, you're getting drunk off 484 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.160 like a few bud lights, you know, Like if you 485 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.200 if you pass out, did I'm drawn on your face? 486 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.279 I might see, like yeah, but might at least you 487 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.000 want to draw on your face, you know. 488 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.000 I mean, if you passed out with your shoes on, 489 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:02.319 you're asking Oh yeah, I didn't make the rules. They're 490 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:03.039 out there though. 491 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:04.480 Yeah, they're out there. 492 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:04.559 You know. 493 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:07.519 But it was just one of those things. But anyway, 494 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.519 getting back to the story, So, so I was kind 495 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.559 of distracted by all that I was living life. And 496 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.559 one thing that that really kind of got me going 497 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.960 back onto the whole path was I was I was 498 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.880 playing in a bunch of metal bands, I was growing 499 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.440 a bunch of medical and I was living in a 500 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:30.480 college town in Washington. And that's why I got into 501 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:35.039 d MT. I did DMT a lot, and to anyone 502 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:37.640 who's listening out there, I think DMT is really important. 503 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.720 I think everyone should do it like forty or fifty 504 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:40.519 times in their life. 505 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.079 Yeah, don't do it forty or fifty times. 506 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.960 There were you sourcing it at that time. I hear 507 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:47.319 your stories that you used to be able to just 508 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:48.799 order it and it would be mailed to you. 509 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.920 Well, a bunch of people. I don't really want to 510 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:54.359 get into it, but anyway, it's ok I think I'll 511 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:55.440 just I'll just say it. 512 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.640 It's really easy to make, so it is okay if 513 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:00.400 that's source. 514 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.720 Look, I have buddies that make it and they swear 515 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:04.720 by it, and I know them personally, and I love 516 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.359 them dearly and I trust them. So if that is 517 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.599 what you're doing, is making it yourself, hey brother more respect. 518 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.519 Well, I had friends that were, but it would just 519 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:13.799 be given to me most of the time, or for 520 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:17.960 really cheap But heard that anyway, and that really just 521 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.799 kind of you know, because like d MT, it doesn't 522 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.400 just kind of like give you a peek through the veil, 523 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.440 you know, like mushrooms or acid will it. It slaps 524 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.319 the veil right off your fucking face, you know what 525 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:34.799 I mean. So, and so that that played a big thing. 526 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.920 At the time. I was living in an apartment and 527 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.759 some lady had hung herself in it. And this is 528 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.839 how we found out about it too. So you know, 529 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:50.440 a bunch of things were happening. Uh, And that's kind 530 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.200 of a long story, but it was pretty obviously there's 531 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.759 something wrong with the apartment. Ever, and uh uh my 532 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:01.319 girlfriend and I my woman, we blasted off from DMT 533 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:06.160 together and we saw this kind of thicker lady hanging 534 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.000 from a ceiling fan in the dining room. And it 535 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:10.799 wasn't like a bad trip or anything. It was just 536 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:11.880 like you part of the background. 537 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:13.200 You both saw her. 538 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:17.759 Yeah, oh, wow. And uh, I mean it was like 539 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.359 I said, it wasn't like a bad trip or anything. 540 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.680 It wasn't scary. It was just like part of the background. 541 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.680 And uh, I don't have a ceiling fan, by the way, 542 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.119 so so this is so anyway, when we were when 543 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.119 we were first moving in there, I remember we looked 544 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.440 at like three other apartments. We looked at like four total, 545 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.880 and I said, I like the energy and that one better. 546 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:43.720 And the lady had this look of someone who just 547 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:45.759 saw a ghost, and she was like freaked out. She 548 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.960 was like, really now, remember thinking to my head, why 549 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.279 does someone dine there or something? Or what is actually 550 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.279 I thought in my head, like why does someone kill 551 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.519 themselves in there? Or something really whop up in my head, 552 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.200 but I didn't think anything of it. Moved in, all 553 00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:01.519 this bad stuff started happening, and uh, and then we 554 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.279 saw that. But but check this out. This is where 555 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.200 it gets kind of creepy to uh, to anyone who's 556 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.480 into paranormal stuff. So we're moving out right, and uh, 557 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.559 we got this nice house out in the country. It's 558 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.640 right on two legs. We've got a big mountain, dank 559 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:16.200 well water. 560 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:17.240 Uh. 561 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.359 And I noticed it all because I'm on the top 562 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:25.640 floor in this apartment. Right, all of the houses on 563 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.440 the top floor, all of them had a ceiling fan 564 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.200 in the dining room except for mine. Mine was the 565 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:33.160 only one that didn't. 566 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:34.640 She tore down. 567 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:35.200 Dude. 568 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.920 Yeah, yeah, I creepy. 569 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.759 So you're the type, all right? Would your woman consider 570 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.200 you toxic? Just curious because what you just told me 571 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.680 is it's kind of like a red flag. Homeboy goes like, 572 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.519 I like the energy in this room better because somebody 573 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.680 died there, and you're just like drawn to that type 574 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.079 of shit, like my boy. 575 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.880 That checks out with you, though, doesn't it. 576 00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.720 Yeah, that's that's really sharp, Jacob. You're you're actually spot 577 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.400 on because pretty much every place that I love it, Doug, 578 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.799 because every place I pretty much lived in was basically haunted. 579 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.319 So you know, what's the common denominator. But at the time, 580 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.359 you know, like I had a lot of issues growing up. 581 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.400 I had what some people consider a slightly unfortunate childhood 582 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.039 and uh and I was drinking to cope with it, 583 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.759 and uh so it's just one of those things. 584 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.839 I hear that move and uh and that. 585 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.599 Was so so yeah, I mean it's it's better now, 586 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.279 I think I still magnetized for it, but now it's 587 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.880 so much easier to correct it. You know. 588 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.160 So a lot of people I know that have a 589 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.839 I don't want to say a knack for that, but 590 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.960 they are aware that they're different, right, or that they 591 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.039 have different site, different abilities to whatever level you want 592 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.640 to call it. A lot of them feel like that 593 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.519 means that they have it for a purpose and they 594 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:50.319 try to use. 595 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.079 It in some way. But for you, it sounds like 596 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.079 that was more of a curse for most of your childhood. 597 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.799 Yeah. Uh, that that played a role on me drinking. Yeah, 598 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.200 I wanted to turn it off. Yeah. 599 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.599 Well, and most people you know that have gone through 600 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.480 horrible things in their life has have literally had their veil, 601 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.960 their veil shattered, and so they literally are looking at 602 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.680 the world in a completely different way, you know. I mean, 603 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.480 I don't know about most other people, but all the 604 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.359 kids that I grew up with, you know, the house 605 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.920 that I grew up in was it was a good household, 606 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.079 you know, like my parents were still together, my brother 607 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.440 and my sister, we played sports like, we created a 608 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.759 lot of good memories. So I never really had that 609 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.799 veil shaking kind of thing happened to me where I'm 610 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.480 looking at the world differently than most other people. But 611 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.640 for kids who experience that, this is why within like 612 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.039 a lot of the mk ulture programs, a lot of 613 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.759 the torture, the reason behind the torture is to be 614 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.480 able to shatter that veil so that they are you know, 615 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:50.440 so that they can kind of develop like some kind 616 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:52.400 of psychic abilities and stuff like that. 617 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.920 Right, Yeah, And that's basically what MK culture was doing. 618 00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:01.480 They're basically reverse engineering trauma from like PTSD from war 619 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.119 and trauma from like child abuse and sexual abuse. But 620 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.640 that's basically what MKLTR was doing. They're basically trying to 621 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.440 reverse engineer it and to apply it for whatever practical 622 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.920 goal they wanted to apply it for. So, yeah, that's 623 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.799 pretty spot on. And I do think there is something 624 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.000 to be said about growing up in a dangerous and 625 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:23.400 unpredictable environment and increasing some type of you know, psychic abilities. 626 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.720 You know, you'll just naturally start seeing things before they happen. 627 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.079 You'll start reading people you know or disassociating, which can 628 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.640 help you get into a magical trance. But yeah, I 629 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:35.839 mean it's I can see that it's a it's a 630 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.000 common thing. Yeah, for sure, you're. 631 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.880 Like constantly in some form of survival mode, and because 632 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:46.000 of that, you you perceive the world in a different place, 633 00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:47.880 like just from a different perspective. 634 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.640 So absolutely, Well I'll give you an example. And I'm 635 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.079 sure this is a nothing example compared to most other people, 636 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.799 but like when we were growing up, my dad was 637 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.519 the you know, he was the the spanker, I'll just 638 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.119 say that, right, And and he was the more dominant 639 00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:06.920 of my parents. Nothing wrong with that. I think that 640 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.440 you need a dominant parent, at least one of them. 641 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:11.799 And nothing against my mom, but she was more of 642 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:12.759 the nurturer, you know. 643 00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.359 Yeah, And so it should be man should take the 644 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.279 role that the lead in the family, I feel. 645 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:19.960 Like, right, and you know what I feel like, whenever 646 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.200 I moved to Louisiana, those roles were kind of reversed. 647 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:23.960 I was like, the mom is the pre dominant one. 648 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.279 That doesn't make any sense to me. 649 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.599 Look, boy, I'm gonna tell you what it is. 650 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.039 Okay, it's this new age shit, and hold on pause. 651 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.640 I am not saying that women should be under a 652 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.400 man in any shapeway or form, Okay, I'm saying that 653 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.759 if you're at least gonna be each other's partner, be 654 00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.839 each other's equal. Okay, But as far as like the disciplinarian, 655 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.519 I believe that there should be one that's more of 656 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:48.680 the heavy hand in one that's more of a nurturer. 657 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.920 That that doesn't mean one is dominant over the other. 658 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:52.599 You know what I'm saying. 659 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.440 That's using words people are gonna get so but hurt 660 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.279 about it. Some for some reason, in the South, the 661 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.640 man is the bread winner, but the woman holds the reins. 662 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.279 And I don't know when this flip flop happened, but. 663 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.039 I'm tired of Oh, I can guarantee you I know 664 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.920 whenever it happened. It's because the well, a lot of 665 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.400 the plant workers they're working shift work, so they're they're 666 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.440 spending less time with the kids than the mother. So 667 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.440 the mother kind of has to develop that that heavier hand. 668 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.880 But anyway, the point of the story is. 669 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:21.480 Is I blame. 670 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.519 We can blame him for a lot of things. Actually, 671 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:28.960 but whenever I was a little kid, my dad was 672 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.279 that guy, you know, And so as a little kid, 673 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.480 you know, anytime you did something that you weren't supposed 674 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.960 to do, or you were told not to do, or whatever, 675 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.640 you already knew who was coming for you, you know 676 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.359 what I mean, who's coming for that ass? And I'm 677 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.279 appreciative of it now. I didn't like it back then obviously, 678 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.240 But at that time I developed like this weird keen 679 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.960 sense of knowing when he's about to come, even if 680 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.000 I didn't just do something, I like, I would hear 681 00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.720 him coming up the stairs, or I would hear him 682 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.839 coming across the hallway or something like that. And the 683 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.880 thing was is, it's not that his steps made a sound, 684 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:09.000 it's that literally the frequency in the air itself changed 685 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.480 to where I knew he was about to show up. 686 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.759 Because what he would do he would sneak up, you 687 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:15.559 know what I mean, like you ain't about to hear 688 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.359 my footsteps, like you're I'm gonna surprise bank that ass, 689 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.119 you know what I mean. And and but I always 690 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:26.000 like sensed it like ten five or ten seconds before 691 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.079 he actually ever opened the door or whatever, you know 692 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.079 what I mean. And so maybe that's a yeah, but 693 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.119 I think that that would I don't know if that's 694 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.359 comparable to you know, a lot of obviously that's like 695 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.960 a one percent compared to one hundred percent mk ulture 696 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.839 kind of shit. But I don't know if that's kind 697 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.640 of remnants or reminiscent of that kind of stuff. 698 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.680 Yeah, I do. I think that's uh. I mean, I 699 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.880 think some people are naturally gefted in certain areas you 700 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.480 don't like. Some people are just natural athletes. Some people 701 00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.799 just have you know, good book smarts. Other people are 702 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.720 more spiritual. I mean, uh, some people are really roll 703 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.519 around it in all of them. So, you know, it's 704 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:05.759 just it's just one of those things. But I do 705 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:10.440 think growing growing up in a like a dangerous, unpredictable 706 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.280 environment will enhance your psychic abilities, you know. And but 707 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.440 it's going to create a lot of psychic distortion too. 708 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:19.039 You're gonna have a lot of blockages stuff to you 709 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:20.920 rump the heel and work through, which is only going 710 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.480 to catapult you more into a spiritual lifestyle. So it 711 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.519 you know, it's it's just the way it is, man, 712 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.400 I don't know. So so after we moved out of 713 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.960 that that apartment, we're living in this really nice house. 714 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.199 We had a roommate and I had to kick him 715 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.639 out of the house. And uh, he was into magic. 716 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.239 And I didn't really even think he was that into it, 717 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.159 you know, because because we're both metal heads, you know, 718 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.159 so we're into yeah, that that kind of imagery already, 719 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.000 you know what I mean, you know what I mean, yeah, 720 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.440 and now and then uh, but he ended up putting 721 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:56.960 a curse on us, and and that was when, you know, 722 00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.760 because I was like this first dick. Yeah, you know, 723 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.519 cause already having like all these spiritual experiences going on 724 00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.320 the body, you know, all this stuff, but you have 725 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.440 no idea how real magic is until someone puts a 726 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.480 curse on you, or you put a curse on someone 727 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.599 and they expire, like, you have no idea how you know, 728 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.320 because there's a saying that it's all in the head. 729 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.239 You just have no idea how big your head is. 730 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:26.599 And that's that's that's half true. But there's something really 731 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.760 real and physical about magic. Like I said, when when 732 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.760 you can take an enemy out three thousand miles away, 733 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.079 it doesn't get any more real than that. That goes 734 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.960 beyond law of attraction, that goes beyond the power of prayer. 735 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.079 You know, legal reasons. I must stress that this time 736 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:42.039 cult members. 737 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.559 Allegedly allegedly you know, you know so, and it's for 738 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.920 that reason that you know, and this is going to 739 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.159 be kind of probably triggering for some people, even some 740 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.239 people are in the magic, but it's almost like like 741 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.800 beingful magic is almost like the most real form of 742 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:58.400 magic when you think of it like that, because everything 743 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:02.239 else you could almost write off as law of attraction 744 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:05.119 used baneful magic. 745 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.719 Baneful Yeah, okay, heard that, go ahead, Yeah, you know. 746 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:13.360 So, and then it was like a total shit storm, 747 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.840 you know, like I mean, all this stuff started happening 748 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.760 and you could literally feel this entity hunting you down. 749 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.199 It really reminds me that because you know it's there, 750 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.679 you know it's standing right over you, but you can't 751 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.639 see it. And it reminded me of the first Predator movie, 752 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.599 you know, like the Indian guy that goes out there 753 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.840 and cuts his chest and you knows the Predator's there 754 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:33.360 and everything. 755 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.519 Well, Billy, dude, so this was demonic? 756 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:37.280 Dare I say? 757 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:39.440 Yeah? 758 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.159 Yeah, So this is the first time I've ever heard 759 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:43.519 banefull used. 760 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.000 So to Jonathan's is this does that mean demonic? 761 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.639 It means cursing people basically, Usually it's demonic. Yeah, I mean, 762 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.199 you know, like but there are people that can take 763 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.599 people out with like angels, you know, like I know, 764 00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.480 a radionics practitioner and his go to guy when he 765 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.239 needs to take out a bad guy. As Michael so. 766 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.800 So, baneful magic goes across all different types and realms. 767 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.480 It could be Nordic, it could be Samarian, whatever, as 768 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.519 long as it is cursing someone that's classified as baneful magic. 769 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah totally. 770 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.199 So now let me ask you on that point. 771 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:19.840 Actually, never mind, I want to hear the rest of 772 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:21.679 your story. But I have so many questions about so 773 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.480 many things here. 774 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.920 Yeah, it's gonna happen too, man. So uh, you know, 775 00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.679 so on top of like this this total tornado like 776 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.360 shit storm, on top of all that and just feeling 777 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.920 and hunting you and everything, all these signs and omens 778 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.280 started happening. Like six sixty six kept popping up everywhere. 779 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.559 And it's not that six ' six is like necessarily 780 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:42.719 a bad number. It's a number for the sun, but 781 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:50.039 it's a convenient way for like the environment to communicate 782 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.159 with you. And that's another thing about this realm is 783 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.239 it communicates with each and every one of us on 784 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.760 a personal level. So start paying attention to signs out there, guys, Uh, 785 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.920 signs and omens because they're real. And so, I mean, 786 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.519 everything was six six six like like I clock out 787 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.239 of work, it'd be like six point sixty six, you know, 788 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.320 uh uh, you know, you get a bill, and it 789 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.000 was you know, everything, it was just six six six 790 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:12.599 six six six. 791 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.760 By the way, as you're saying that, it is ten eleven, 792 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.199 So there's a lot of wants there. Oh nine to 793 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.239 eleven your time, all right? 794 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:21.000 Yeah? 795 00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.079 Yeah, and uh. And then on top of that, like 796 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.559 birds just started flying and crashing into our window. Like 797 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.599 at home, birds are just flying to the window, flying 798 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.199 to the window. 799 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:30.920 Uh. 800 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.519 When we would be driving, a bird would just crash 801 00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.480 into the window while we're driving and stuff, you know. 802 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:41.000 So then I started, you know, getting back into magic 803 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.199 and everything. Because you can't go to a doctor and 804 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.000 have a doctor remove a curse for it. You can't 805 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.960 go to the cops and be like, hey, you know 806 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.039 this dipshit put a curse on you know, you can't 807 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:50.800 do any of that stuff. You know, you're just you 808 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:56.800 just have to figure it out. And so once I started, 809 00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.719 like you know, cleansing myself and vanishing and doing that 810 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.119 kind of stuff, it started going after my girlfriend I noticed, 811 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:04.920 and I think it was gonna kill her on the road, 812 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.039 and but I eventually stopped it, we fixed it, and 813 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:10.920 then as soon as we fixed it, all the positive 814 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.400 omens started coming in, like the very day after next 815 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.679 day after I broke the curse, like seven seven seven 816 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.239 seven seven seven started popping up, just as an omen 817 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:23.480 on top of all the six You know. 818 00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.920 Is that because it has to balance itself out? 819 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.280 Well? I think it's just it might be like your spirits, 820 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.400 your spirit your spiritual backup, because we have like ancestors 821 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.519 and their spirits to follow us around that like us. 822 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:40.840 Some some might not like us. But but everyone has 823 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.920 like beneficial spirits, you know, whether they have negative entities 824 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:45.679 to touch them or not, but everyone pretty much has 825 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.400 spirits that have their best interests. Might be like what 826 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:52.719 people can call a holy guardian angel or your personal 827 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.800 gin or or whatever. 828 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:00.719 But didn't I tell you, Jacob B as far as 829 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.280 gin can be good guys. 830 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.639 Yeah, this is the first time I've ever heard gin 831 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.639 being using a good term. Every Islamic person ever heard 832 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.920 of only refers to gin to only mean demon, and 833 00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.920 again that's from a place of ignorance. If there's other types, 834 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:15.559 then great. 835 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.719 Within the occult it's a little different, I think. 836 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.599 So within the inverse it's different. Yeah, well that makes sense. 837 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.840 We'll get into gen in a little bit. So then 838 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.800 from there, you know, once you feel how real it 839 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:31.639 Once I felt how real it was, then I was 840 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.079 like all in, Like it consumed me. I stopped researching 841 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.360 conspiracies and I was just like consuming every book, everything 842 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.440 I could possibly get my hands on. I was practicing 843 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:49.840 a lot, you know, and yeah, and then uh, you know, 844 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.480 so then I kind of got into it. 845 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:52.599 Now. 846 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.639 It was really like dissecting the action, because yeah, when 847 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.719 you feel how real it is, you're not just doing 848 00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.960 it like some of the witchcraft people and the way 849 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.400 people and new Agers neo pagans, they they say they 850 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.199 do magic, but they don't really do magic, you know. 851 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.679 Like I was actually like, you know, dissecting the techniques 852 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.400 and perfecting them, getting into you know, like just making 853 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.039 offerings to local spirits, learning the art of evocation when 854 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.360 you can summon a spirit to full manifestation in front 855 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:25.079 of you, and just really just going hard in the 856 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:26.880 paint on everything that I could get my hands on. 857 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.960 And about what timeframe was this year wise? 858 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:36.119 Oh gosh, fourteen, twenty fourteen, Yeah, I wou guess about fourteen. 859 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.519 Yeah, okay, so my next question is you said books. 860 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.039 Were you online looking stuff up or you actually just 861 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.639 getting hard copies for which one? 862 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.519 And why I was? I was mostly because I don't 863 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.079 like reading books on the computer. Man, I just don't 864 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.960 like it, you know, that actual way it makes my 865 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.960 ice feels and stuff. And I like having a book 866 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:55.880 in my hand and then you can like lay down 867 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.000 on the couch and move around, you know, you can 868 00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.199 walk around or whatever. 869 00:41:59.440 --> 00:41:59.599 You know. 870 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.920 I've heard so many people say us actual readers like 871 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.400 having a book and it's like a whole thing, and 872 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.840 then it gets to its own collective status with the 873 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.639 covers and the first editions and you know, yeah, so 874 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.800 you're that type of guy you actually like books in 875 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:14.280 your hand. 876 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.719 Yeah, And yeah, man, I was just consuming everything and 877 00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:19.400 get my hands on. And this is one of the 878 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.920 issues when trying to learn magic, because for one, you know, 879 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.760 and I don't want to sound like pompous or talk 880 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.320 a lot of crap about people, but a lot of 881 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.480 the spiritual community community are a complete fucking joke, Like 882 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:33.840 a lot of them are, you know, And then it's oversaturated, 883 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:35.880 like you don't even know which way to look. 884 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.840 Can you break that down a little deeper? As a 885 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.800 way to not piss off everybody? 886 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.159 What do you mean, per. 887 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.519 Se And by the way, that's exactly what Nicholas de 888 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:46.599 vere was saying as well. 889 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:47.840 Agreed. 890 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.239 I mean, look, I am, as a Christian say that 891 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.679 most Christians quote unquote out there are full of shit. Okay, 892 00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:55.880 So like I'm I'm with you as far as calling 893 00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.159 spades fucking spades when you see them. 894 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.480 Okay. So you're sayings or is a spiritual community, You're 895 00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.159 saying most of it's bullshit? In what way? Brother? 896 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:09.840 Well? I mean, you know, so for one, there's a 897 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.239 lot of superstition, and a lot and a lot of 898 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.559 the superstition is kind of like around there's like some 899 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.079 gatekeeping involved, like uh, I mean, let's let's take the 900 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:20.920 New Ages because they're kind of easy to poke at. 901 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:21.000 Now. 902 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.840 I'm not talking shit about the New Ages because like 903 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.599 there are legit New Agers out there, and there are 904 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.159 some good stuff in there, like you know, like like 905 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.159 yoga is really awesome, you know, and there is something 906 00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.239 to the law of attraction. But these people that want 907 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.239 to be like all love and light and all it 908 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:44.519 is is like spiritual like gas lighting spiritual bypassing, you know, 909 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.400 and you know, and it's like all they think if 910 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.719 that they're going to manifest something negative by thinking about negative. 911 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.519 So instead of like researching something that's important that we're 912 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.400 all talking about, like sake conspiracies or something, right, you know, 913 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.119 they won't even look at that stuff because they don't 914 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.519 want to manifest it. And what they don't understand is like, 915 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.360 because you know, there's a say saying that energy goes 916 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.960 where attention flows, or energy flows or attention goes. Oh uh, 917 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.639 And that's true. But what's even more true when it 918 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.000 comes to law of attraction is what you resist will persist. 919 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:20.840 Like if you're. 920 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.599 Sitting there like say that one again a little louder 921 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.000 for those in the backs. 922 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:32.440 Are what you resist will persist, damn. You know, like 923 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.840 if you don't actually fix the problem and you're just 924 00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.199 running away from stuff, and if you're not willing to 925 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.760 accept the world for what it is, you're gonna manifest 926 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.000 it ten times harder and make it way worse for yourself. 927 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:44.800 And these people, like I said, they're all love and light, 928 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.840 and I don't know what they think the world is, 929 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.480 but I'm pretty sure the world is not kindergarten where 930 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.519 we sit around finger painting, licking, barning, the dinosaurs vagina 931 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.199 all day. That's not life, you know. 932 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.079 I hear these people all the time, and like. 933 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.679 Bit a second, he had a vagina. I didn't know this. 934 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.360 Uh okay, I guess in certain preschools, you know what 935 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.360 I mean, depending on you know which coast you're on. 936 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.239 I supots I I don't know, you know, especially these days. 937 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.880 But you don't want to assume, you know, right RIGHTO. 938 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.880 Oh God, mind can have periods, I guess. But whatever. 939 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.679 Anyway, So to your point, though, I'm with you. I 940 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:20.440 hear what you're saying. 941 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.159 And and this is not me trying to take my 942 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.440 jab in that community either, but I hear the people 943 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:29.039 saying that, oh, all we need is to get a 944 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:33.480 collective group to all just put positivity out and we 945 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.159 can manifest a whole new world, a better world, and 946 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:37.039 this and that and the third. 947 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.840 And it's like that's a beautiful thought, but I just 948 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.599 don't actually ever see it happening, and so it's like 949 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.000 a it's it seems like pissing in the wind, so 950 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:46.599 to speak. 951 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:50.880 Well, funny story. I had actually gotten a channeled message 952 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.440 one time, and I don't think I've ever said this before, 953 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.159 but it was by a witch, so take with that 954 00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:59.079 as you will. And this witch I was getting this 955 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:03.440 channeled message supposedly from an ancestor or spirit guide or 956 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.440 whatever that basically said that like, look, you're you're dabbling 957 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.199 only in the love and the light part. So it's 958 00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.039 funny that you bring that up, she goes, you still 959 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.639 got to incorporate a little bit of darkness, like and 960 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.480 it's not to say that you need to be evil 961 00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:23.000 or anything like that. It's more so just aware and 962 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.559 not being basically, like, think about it like this, Like 963 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.840 there's the old saying of don't mistake my kindness for weakness. 964 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.440 But you know, whenever you're in that love and light 965 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.559 kind of situation, you're only kind and you're only expecting 966 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.400 the best, and you're hoping to manifest all these good things. Meanwhile, 967 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.880 like that's not how the world works. The world is 968 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.159 a balance of good and bad, Like it's a balance 969 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.679 of every single thing. So yeah, whenever you're looking at 970 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.679 everything hoping that just you know, shed pure light on it, like, 971 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.280 that's not how it is. So I get what you're saying. 972 00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.599 Oh yeah, and you know, like a lot of Abrahamic 973 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.079 religions like they kind of view spirituality in a very 974 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.320 polarized lens, and that does bleed into other occult practices, 975 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.760 you know, like you see especially like in like Wicca, 976 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.920 you see like a lot of that bleeding, that polarization 977 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.519 in the Abrahamic religions because you know, they want to say, 978 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.079 like everything's evil and everything's evil and these spirits are 979 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.239 evil and and you got to look at it like 980 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.400 I look at it, like, I mean, first of all, 981 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.280 how do you even define evil or alligators evil or 982 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.840 crocodile's evil? You know, is it evil that the slowest 983 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.079 zebra gets eaten by the lions? You know, Like I mean, 984 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.440 we just kind of have this inferior understanding of the 985 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.360 world and we and we associate, you know, we put 986 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:44.440 these kind of prejudices on the spirit realm too, you know. 987 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.760 And and nothing is really like that, you know, like 988 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.719 some good people do bad things, some bad people do 989 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.320 good things. You know, It's just how it is. 990 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.360 Yeah, it's not all Disney. No, you know, you can't 991 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.800 look at somebody and be like, oh, they look evil, like, 992 00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.519 because that's nine times out of ten you're going to 993 00:47:59.559 --> 00:47:59.840 be wrong. 994 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:03.760 Yeah, and and only half of those Christians out there 995 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.400 also Listen, dude, I'm with you. I don't like how 996 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:11.000 so many people of my faith just immediately assume that 997 00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.079 everything pagan must be derived from Satan, right, And you 998 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.920 can explain that oh so easily away in a nice 999 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.639 little package with a pretty bow on it by saying, oh, 1000 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.320 demons had sex with humans, gave birth to Nephelom. 1001 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.440 Those are the pagan gods they worship. Boom boom, it's Satan. There. 1002 00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.159 I just proved it. It's like, dude, you. 1003 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.199 Just took away like ten thousand years of an entire 1004 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.880 region of Earth's whole culture and who they are and 1005 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.800 what makes them them in two sentences. And that's like, 1006 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:41.840 that is just incorrect. 1007 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.960 Well and also conversely too, the same thing goes for 1008 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:50.440 Hinduism and Buddhism and Daoism. Like that's not evil stuff. 1009 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.639 I mean, yeah, you can separate the deities and stuff 1010 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.199 like that, but just the philosophy behind them is not. 1011 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.280 That's not evil stuff, right, you know? 1012 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:04.719 So oh and well, I guess before we get into this, 1013 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.400 I want to finish what I was talking about. But 1014 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.519 you know, the uh and like with like Wicca and 1015 00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:13.400 some of the witchcraft people they have like this like, 1016 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.719 uh law three where if you like dish out some 1017 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.360 negativity is going to come back to you threefold. But 1018 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.280 it's actually a missus. It's actually a misunderstanding. It's not 1019 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.960 true at all, and it actually comes from like the 1020 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.239 second initiation I believe in WICCA. And it's actually like 1021 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.119 if someone harms you, you're supposed to send it back 1022 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.239 to them threefold. Like if someone hits you once, you 1023 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:36.440 hit them three times. 1024 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:37.519 You know. 1025 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.679 If someone hits you nine times, you hit them twenty 1026 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:41.480 seven times, you know. 1027 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.559 But that's gonna come back at them. 1028 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:48.199 Yeah, you know. So it's kind of a misunderstanding. And 1029 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:50.559 uh and then like I said, a lot of it's 1030 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.159 not even their fault like it. And there's also like 1031 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.519 a lot of chicks in the magic. And I'm not 1032 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.159 talking crap about chicks that are really in the magic, 1033 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.960 because there are some really legit in the magical community 1034 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.679 for sure, but a lot of people that kind of 1035 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.599 get into magic, especially some of the chicks, not all 1036 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.239 of them. Just just to clarify that for people listening, 1037 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.800 because I don't want to come off as you know, 1038 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.639 sexist or discriminating or anything, but a lot of them 1039 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.840 kind of like the pageantry of it, the image and 1040 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:20.880 the aesthetic of it. 1041 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:22.599 The emo goth queen. 1042 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.360 Yeah, you know, like you know, they're like they're into crystals. 1043 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.639 They'll have like a little salt lamp in the background, 1044 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.760 you know, and you know they call themselves witches. But 1045 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.199 you know, and that's not all of them. Like I said, 1046 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.800 they're some legit and like I said, they that's where 1047 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:41.559 there are that moment. They might eventually grow and move 1048 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.920 on to bigger and better things. Everyone starts from somewhere. 1049 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.360 Can I ask you this, and because we've had this 1050 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.280 conversation and apparently this is a conversation that's been had 1051 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.840 since like the fifteen hundreds, you being active in the 1052 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.599 magic community, why do you personally believe and this is 1053 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:02.679 just your opinion, no, no shade thrown away or another, 1054 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:07.119 why do you personally believe that the magic community is 1055 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.079 more dominantly women centric or there's typically more women that 1056 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.360 are quote unquote into it than men or all of that. 1057 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.079 Do you believe it's purely esthetic reasons? Do you believe 1058 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.719 that they may have a more natural uh connection to it? 1059 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:22.119 Where are you at with it? 1060 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.559 Yeah? So there's a lot of ways to look at this, uh, 1061 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.880 and I guess I'll break down like the higher minded 1062 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.280 philosophy aspect of it is, you know, like like I 1063 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.280 think men are like the physical embodiment and representation of 1064 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.480 the Creator in this realm, and I think women are 1065 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:46.679 the physical representation of the earth matrix and nature in 1066 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.079 this realm, you know. And so like when they see 1067 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:55.599 something that's more focusing on uh nature and the seasons 1068 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.079 and that sort of thing, I think they gravitory it 1069 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.880 data towards Uh. Yeah, I think the gravitate towards it. 1070 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.320 And then there's also you know, like their chicks and uh, 1071 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.360 you know, there is like a patriarchal thing going on 1072 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.639 where they see like this goddess worship, you know, and 1073 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.559 everything it resonates with them more than something like the 1074 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.079 patriarchy does, you know. And there is some feminism in it, 1075 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.960 you know, like especially like the Dianic Wika and stuff 1076 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.079 like that. So there's a lot of stuff going on there. 1077 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.599 They're also like a lot more empathetic as well. 1078 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:33.119 Like women are naturally more psychic than men. I feel like, 1079 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:34.599 you know, I think. 1080 00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.519 You always look these cultures around the world, although patriarchal 1081 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.320 and nature priestesses were always of a wrung all to 1082 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.360 their own, of a very very high regard pretty much 1083 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:45.559 in all cultures. 1084 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.440 Yeah, and uh, you know, so like it's women are 1085 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.800 also naturally more psychic than men are, like like just 1086 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.800 like right out from the womb. I think when men 1087 00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.039 pursue something like magic, I think I think all the 1088 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.440 best sorcerers in the world are most of them, like 1089 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:06.119 you know, eighty percent of them probably are men. And 1090 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.400 even though women have a better natural ability at it, 1091 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.719 men have this thing where we geek out on stuff, 1092 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.760 you know, like we just want to master it from everything, 1093 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.079 you know, Like it's just one of those things. You know. 1094 00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:20.159 We don't just drive cars. We want to learn how 1095 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.480 to fix a car and work on it and then 1096 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.440 soup it up and see how fast it can go. 1097 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.679 You know. Men find their hobby and just stick to it, 1098 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:27.920 you know. 1099 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:28.760 I feel that. 1100 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.280 Yeah, we all have artism. Okay, we get to choose 1101 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:32.159 a special interest. 1102 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.679 Yeah, that's the benefit. 1103 00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:35.719 Yeah, we just geek out on stuff. We just nerd 1104 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:36.400 out on it, you know. 1105 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:36.960 Hell yeah. 1106 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.679 So that's my theory on that part because because because 1107 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.599 like I said, women do have a more natural ability 1108 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.519 to it, and women are also more natural, like having 1109 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.440 natural spiritual thing going on, you know, like you know, 1110 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.199 it's it's not uncommon for a chick to feel someone 1111 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.239 die before they even heard that they passed away, or 1112 00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:58.199 feel that something's wrong before they know it's wrong. You know, 1113 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.039 it's really common that maternal instincts, you know, and you 1114 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.320 know when you look at too, like when I was 1115 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.519 talking about how like men are are the representation of 1116 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:09.320 the creator. You know, we have that creative and destructive 1117 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.440 force of the creator where you know, when you look 1118 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:17.079 at like the matrix, like the Earth matrix, and that's 1119 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:21.199 like that's a that's a female term matrix, like like maternity, 1120 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.320 you know. So so I think, you know, it's also 1121 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.360 like when you look at how we give birth to 1122 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.039 you know, men, men supply the divine spark of life, 1123 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:38.360 and women supply the prima materia again material material, matrix, maternal. 1124 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.360 You know, you see how these words all kind of 1125 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:44.320 you know, coalesce with each other well. 1126 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.599 And it also even says like in the Bible that 1127 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.519 you know, whenever somebody is born, they come through the matrix, right, 1128 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.360 like that's the embryotic sect. 1129 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.239 Yeah, so so I think that's a big part of it. 1130 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.559 And and like I said, there are some there are 1131 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.119 some women out there that are not to be messed with. 1132 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.079 They are very good at magic, you know. But but 1133 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:10.840 I still think men do a better job at learning it, 1134 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.559 mastering it, perfecting it, you know. Okay, but women have 1135 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.480 a better natural ability. And when you have a natural 1136 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.920 ability as something, it's easy to kind of slack off 1137 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:23.199 and not study as much and not try to perfect 1138 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.199 the techniques as much when you have when you already 1139 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:26.519 have a natural ability to it, you. 1140 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.440 Know, Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, the people that got to 1141 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.360 work for it a little bit, you know, they tend 1142 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.360 to be better at certain things. I get that. So like, 1143 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:37.920 all right, let's let's get into a little bit more 1144 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:40.440 of because I do want to ask a bunch of 1145 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.719 like good questions, and you know a lot of stuff 1146 00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.000 pertaining to you know, your knowledge of magic and how 1147 00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.000 it's even being used today. But was there any more 1148 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.079 to that story, your story that you wanted to cover? 1149 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.480 We got till about twenty fourteen. You were digesting every 1150 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:56.800 book you can get your hands on. 1151 00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.679 Yeah, I was getting really good at it, probably around 1152 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.280 twenty seventeen, I think, maybe even twenty eighteen, I think 1153 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:05.800 it was twenty seventeen is when I stumbled on an 1154 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.559 interview by this guy he was part of like the 1155 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.559 Remote Viewing Project programs, and he was in Naval intelligence, 1156 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:19.239 Jeff Harvey, and and that was my introduction into radionics. 1157 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.239 And and then I was like, wow, dude, this guy 1158 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.119 is legit because I'm like learning all this stuff at 1159 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.360 the first time, and he's really applying it towards like 1160 00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.199 healing and all that stuff. And I was like, man, 1161 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.400 I got I gotta learn more about this guy before 1162 00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.320 they kill him. And I go and google his name, 1163 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:37.559 and he had just died like two months before I 1164 00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.480 right before I google his name, died like two months earlier, 1165 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.639 and so or maybe even like a little bit sooner. 1166 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.119 And so you were you paying attention when like all 1167 00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:53.159 those holistic doctors were dying, those natural pass and holistic 1168 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:56.480 doctors were dying from like twenty fourteen, maybe even twenty thirteen. 1169 00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.719 I think it was like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen till 1170 00:56:58.760 --> 00:56:59.679 like twenty eighteen. 1171 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.960 No, there was like, yeah. 1172 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.280 There was like two hundred of them. There is a 1173 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:10.119 lot of like murder suicides and all different just dying suspiciously. 1174 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.559 Some of them there the family, the whole family was 1175 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:17.519 killed and stuff. Whoa And when twenty twenty happened, suddenly, 1176 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.159 you know, it became clear what the deal was. A lot. 1177 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.199 But he was like number ten or twelve on the 1178 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.760 list or eight or something, is what someone said. Now 1179 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.480 I don't even know if that's true. But there was 1180 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.960 nothing about his death when I first was looking into it, 1181 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:30.840 and I haven't really looked into it since. But a 1182 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.039 bunch of the people that were following him thought that 1183 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.360 he was part of that wave of holistic doctors in 1184 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:37.920 natural paths that ended up dead. 1185 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.280 Wow, dude, yeah, of course you're going to see that, Like, 1186 00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:44.280 especially from Big Pharma. It's the reason why the rife 1187 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.920 machine isn't didn't make a comeback until recently. Like all 1188 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.840 these other different healing modalities call him therapeutic, I guess 1189 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.519 with quotations, but like they're you know, and you start 1190 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.599 to see like a lot of people are starting to 1191 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:01.239 become a lot more interested in the natural healing ways, 1192 00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:05.679 whether it's you know, certain roots or certain herbs or 1193 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.320 whatever that. Like, people are starting to get back to 1194 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:12.360 that because it's never been more evident now that Big 1195 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.679 pharmaceutical they're they're worried about their bottom line. They're worried 1196 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.119 about their bottom dollar. And whenever you can get the 1197 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:23.440 CDC and the World Health Organization working collectively together to 1198 00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:28.400 push a fucking experimental drug and saying that it's mandatory 1199 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.519 and not allowing people to do certain things, you know, like, 1200 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.400 that's that's a monopoly. And they've they've done very well 1201 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.400 for themselves to create this monopoly of power. And you know, 1202 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.119 I just I think it's it's not a good look. 1203 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.800 Whenever you can see the head of Pfizer, you know, 1204 00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.440 just change teams and go work for the World Health Organization, 1205 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.599 or the head of Morderna, you know, change teams and 1206 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.639 go work for the CDC, It's like, oh, so you 1207 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.960 guys are really all working in cahoots together. 1208 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.760 Then oh, Bro, I just looked up the article that 1209 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.760 he's talked or at least one of the section that 1210 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.199 he's talking about. Here, Bro, six doctors are all found 1211 00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:06.320 within a few months of each other. That one article 1212 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:10.199 was from twenty fifteen. All of them were practicing holistic medicine. 1213 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:14.199 Two we're in California, like four we're in Miami. Holy shit, No, 1214 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.480 I completely missed this one. 1215 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.159 Bro Yeah, and it was going on for a few years, 1216 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.800 and this is the perfect segue to get into radionics. 1217 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.079 So radionics kind of came out about and like nineteen fifteen, 1218 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:29.320 nineteen eighteen, I think it was like nineteen eighteen. This 1219 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:33.440 doctor Abrams was using as sthtisio on a patient and 1220 00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:37.719 he would notice that a healthy oregon would resonate really well, 1221 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.599 had like a really healthy thud to it, where a 1222 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.039 diseased oregon had a really flat note to it. And 1223 00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:46.360 from there he started kind of building on it. And 1224 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.119 that's kind of like where a radionics first kind of starts. 1225 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.840 But then people started actually developing it into what we 1226 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:57.320 see like today with radiomics, where you're using like amplifiers 1227 00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.760 and dials it kind of like almost like a radio. 1228 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.960 And within a few years there was like thirty thousand 1229 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.440 doctors in America, forty thousand doctors in America using radionics, 1230 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.480 and they weren't just treating patients and healing them with it, 1231 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.119 but they were also able to diagnose them and they 1232 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.480 were doing it remotely, and then as soon as the 1233 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.519 FDA found out about it, they threw them all in prison. 1234 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:21.559 A bunch of the doctors actually died in prison. It 1235 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.679 was a real serious deal. They confiscated all the machines 1236 01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:26.159 or as many as they could get their hands on 1237 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:30.960 and destroy them. And that's kind of where radions kind 1238 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.719 of starts. So radionics kind of starts off as a conspiracy, 1239 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.519 which is kind of fascinating about it. And now there 1240 01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.880 are a couple of radionics doctors and. 1241 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.119 And yeah, this is the radionics machine for all the 1242 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.599 Patroon and rock Fin members. I want to see exactly 1243 01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:48.599 what we're talking about here. This is what it looks like. 1244 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.760 Yeah, it sounds very similar to the Rife machines that 1245 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.840 we do, but it sounds like a different type though 1246 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:56.159 it is. 1247 01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.679 Well, Royal Raymond Rife was doing something a lot more advanced, 1248 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.920 you know. So. But there was a couple of doctors 1249 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.639 in the UK, in like London or England or something, 1250 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.559 and they were they were on trial for using radionics. 1251 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.079 And if you want to call it, like as luck 1252 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:18.440 would have it, the judge's wife had cancer and then 1253 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.519 the doctors were like, well, do you mind if we 1254 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:23.760 take a crack at it? And he was like, dude, 1255 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:26.800 at this point, I'll try anything, you know. So the 1256 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:29.360 judge gave them a witness sample for the wife, probably 1257 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.480 a piece of hair or something, and they totally got 1258 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:34.559 rid of her cancer. And then the judge was like 1259 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:39.880 so thankful he dropped all the charges and but then 1260 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.559 it was just kind of kind of forgotten about a 1261 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.880 little bit for a while. They started being used again. 1262 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.360 Well I guess before that, Uh, this this rocket scientist 1263 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:56.840 that worked for JPL Jet Propulsions or Jack Parsons, you know, 1264 01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:02.440 because some people call JPL Jack Parsons. Right, Yeah, he 1265 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.920 heard about radionics. He didn't believe in it, but his 1266 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.599 daughter had like broken out like warts all over her face, 1267 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.960 and so he built a small wishing machine. It had 1268 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:16.440 no dials or anything. It just had input plate, an 1269 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.360 amplifier and a antenna and he just put a picture 1270 01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:23.159 of his daughter before she had the warts, like when 1271 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:27.239 her face was all healthy, and he focuses his intent 1272 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.320 on it and turned it on and within like three 1273 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.599 weeks all the warts went away. And then he was like, 1274 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:35.199 because you know, you gotta imagine being like a science 1275 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.039 a rocket scientist, you're like a materialist, a scientist. You 1276 01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:40.400 don't believe in anything, and all of a sudden it's like, 1277 01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.639 well that's weird, and so he wrote a few books 1278 01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.719 on it, or a book on it, Mind Machines you 1279 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.719 Can Build being the popular one, it still didn't really 1280 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.719 kind of get a whole lot of buzz. And then 1281 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.480 later on, I think it was like the sixties, it 1282 01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:58.920 started being used for agriculture, so people would take like 1283 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.199 a can of petsicide, put it on the input plate, 1284 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:03.880 and then like a picture of the crop on the 1285 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.559 output play and dial a rate and turn it on 1286 01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.239 and get rid of the insects. But then they discovered 1287 01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:11.880 that you didn't need a can of peticide at all. 1288 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:14.320 All you needed was a picture of a can of pesticide, 1289 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:18.320 you know, and then you get rid of the insects. 1290 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:25.320 And so in the like late seventies maybe eighties, a 1291 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:29.400 ceremonial magician by the name of Charles Cosymno. He was 1292 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.280 the guy that took radionix and was like discovered. He 1293 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.159 was like, holy crap, I could really fuck some stuff 1294 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.719 up with this, so he started doing He was the guy. 1295 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:39.880 He was the guy that started applying it, using it 1296 01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:42.519 as like a wishing machine, applying it towards magic. And 1297 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.599 he's also the first guy to weaponize it. So he 1298 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.920 was kind of a pariah for a long time in 1299 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.679 the radiois community. But now I think they see him 1300 01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:52.880 more as a pioneer. I think he's kind of finally 1301 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.119 more accepted. But for a while there he was kind 1302 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:59.480 of a pariah because he was like, you know, he 1303 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:02.280 used it for good too, but you know he uh, 1304 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:03.840 he did some things. 1305 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:08.079 Right, right, Yeah, you could see how random history. 1306 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:09.840 You know, the rest is history after that. 1307 01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.840 So can you explain to us and the good cult 1308 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.079 members out there exactly what a radionics machine does? Like, 1309 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.239 all right, are we talking about a a literal magic 1310 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.840 wishing machine? Does it amplify things? Like exactly how does 1311 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:26.760 that even work? And does it does intention? Do you 1312 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:28.639 have to have intention in order to be able to 1313 01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:29.000 use it? 1314 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.960 Yeah, so some of the old schoolers might argue with it, 1315 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:37.960 But in its simplest form, radionics is a thought form amplifier. 1316 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:41.440 In its simplest form, you know, it's uh, it's by 1317 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:47.800 far the easiest way to get effective results in using 1318 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.320 like magic and spirituality. You know, it's by far the 1319 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:53.400 easiest way. You know, it's like a crockpile. You just 1320 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.639 set it and then you forget it, you know. So, 1321 01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.920 but when you apply it with magic you know such 1322 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.440 it's like, wow, yeah, because I get my best results 1323 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.599 when I combine magic with radionics. But yeah, in as 1324 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:08.800 simple as form, it's a thought form amplifier. 1325 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.840 Okay, So before people started using it for magic, people 1326 01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:15.000 were doing it for pesticides and to get rid of 1327 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.360 you know, warts on somebody's face, or to get rid 1328 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.320 of cancer, Like exactly how would that have worked. 1329 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:27.880 The same way? So the old schoolers, you know, when 1330 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.000 they dialed a raid, they thought that the rate was 1331 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.480 like really important. Where it's like you're dialing a frequency 1332 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.760 and that frequency is what was doing the work. And 1333 01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:41.679 you know, after using these machines for so long, I 1334 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:43.679 don't think that's what's going on. I do think it's 1335 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:48.039 your intent, and I think the dials are just like 1336 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.039 a like a placemarker, like a bookmark for your intent. 1337 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:54.800 Okay, So I'm a little lost here, fish out of 1338 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:57.480 water on this one. So help me out here. 1339 01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:01.760 Let's say that I buy a radium mix machine for myself. 1340 01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.559 I opened the box, I set it up. How do 1341 01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:05.719 I use this device? 1342 01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:09.360 How do I make this make something happen for me? 1343 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:10.800 Without magic? 1344 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:17.079 All Right? It's real simple? Uh? I wish I had 1345 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:18.719 one here, so I could just kind of walk you 1346 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:20.320 through it, but I don't have one here. 1347 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.079 Well, I'm a little familiar with some of how this works, right, 1348 01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:26.599 so we sell rife machines through Real Rife Technology promo 1349 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.599 code call to check out everybody. But so I understand 1350 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.480 as far as like frequency resonating, how this works at 1351 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:37.000 that level, but I'm a little lost on how intent 1352 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:40.800 works with this. So is there like a plate where 1353 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:42.920 I put like a picture of something and ite like, 1354 01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:45.679 oh wait, like for legit. 1355 01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:47.639 Yeah, you have an input plate and you have an 1356 01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:50.400 output plate, and then you have a stick plate. But uh, 1357 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.400 like the what's the machine that Johnson pulled up? Uh 1358 01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:56.559 that just has uh the output plate is the stick plate. 1359 01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.519 And by stick I mean it's like a form of doubting. 1360 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:02.599 So you put whatever your intent is like something. Yeah. 1361 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:06.920 So so for anybody who's listening right now instead of watching, 1362 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.199 first of all, you should be checking us out of Patreon. 1363 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:10.840 A rock fence. You can see this for yourself. 1364 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:13.840 But we're looking at a wooden box. We got five 1365 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:19.000 dials on it. We have a copper ish colored plate, 1366 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.000 a white plate, and a black plate over there, and 1367 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.719 there's a wire connecting it, So walk me through it here. 1368 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.679 Yeah, So the copper play is your input plate and 1369 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.960 with the with the ones where you have where the 1370 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:34.400 output plate is a stick plate. You're gonna put something 1371 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.119 that represents your goal on the input plate and then 1372 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.920 something that represents the target on the input plate at first, 1373 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.519 and then you just rub your finger. You clear your 1374 01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:46.519 mind for a second, focus on your intent, maybe even 1375 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:48.519 speak it out loud, but then you rub your finger. 1376 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:51.159 I use the side of my thumb, but most people 1377 01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.000 just use either their index or middle finger. You rub 1378 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.920 it across the stick plate and then you dial the 1379 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:01.800 the you know, turn the right, and then right when 1380 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.320 it gets to the right spot, it'll stick. And by stick, 1381 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:07.800 I means it kind of skips over the surface, like 1382 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:09.800 when you're rubbing your hands over a balloon or something. 1383 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:11.920 Right, okay, Evan. 1384 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:13.360 You just sit it there and keep it and then 1385 01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:15.760 you do the next dial, next dial, next dial, next dial, 1386 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.000 and then you move the witness sample that represents your 1387 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.279 target and put it on the stick plate, which is 1388 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:22.720 the output plate, and then just turn it on. 1389 01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.640 And so what are you looking for on that second 1390 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:27.560 and third dial? 1391 01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:28.680 Right? I get you're rubbing. 1392 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.439 You're rubbing then when you finally feel a little bit 1393 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.119 of some friction like a rubber yeah, like balloon like 1394 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:34.880 you're talking about, then you move to the next dial 1395 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:37.560 and you're feeling for what on that next one, the 1396 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.600 same thing, same thing. Okay, So you do that through 1397 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.319 all dials until they are all dialed into whatever you're 1398 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.199 trying to make happen. 1399 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.439 Yes, okay, I'm with you. 1400 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.079 Say, you're basically trying to create the like as much 1401 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:54.359 friction on on this plate as you possibly can through 1402 01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:55.560 the use of these dials. 1403 01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:57.920 I'm with you, all right, all right. So once you 1404 01:08:57.960 --> 01:08:59.199 get it completely dialed in. 1405 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.159 Yeah, then you move the witness sample that represents the 1406 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.800 target it could be you or a friend or whatever, 1407 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.039 over to the output plate and then turn it on. Now, 1408 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:13.720 I prefer like the machines I make for myself. I 1409 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.439 put a copper output plate, and I don't even use 1410 01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:17.720 a stick play. I've been doing it long enough to 1411 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:20.319 where I don't even use a stickplate. I can just 1412 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:26.039 feel that click. But the I also have like a 1413 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:28.439 I think I have it on my page if Jonathan 1414 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.399 wants to pull it up. I have a four dial 1415 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:34.279 machine that has the two copper right there. Boom that 1416 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:37.199 has the two copper copper intuplate, copper output plate, and 1417 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:38.840 then a small stick plate at the bottom. 1418 01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:39.479 You know. 1419 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:43.079 So, and here's here's one of the interesting things about Uh, 1420 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:46.399 if I do it like this, then I don't. I'll 1421 01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:48.760 leave the witness sample that represents the target and I'll 1422 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:50.760 leave it on the output plate and then I and 1423 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:52.039 then I just dial on my rate. That's why I 1424 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:54.399 like it better, because I don't like dialing it with 1425 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:56.960 the target on the input and then moving it over 1426 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.680 to the output. I prefer just having the input and 1427 01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.199 then the output dial my rate, boom, turn it on, 1428 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:04.159 is what I prefer. 1429 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:06.560 So real quick, are you building these boxes? 1430 01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:07.560 Yeah? 1431 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.880 So I'm an electrician and an instrument tech, so I'm 1432 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.199 very curious what those dials are connected to. 1433 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:21.119 Uh, just you know, wire circuits, amplifier crystals, Okay, crystal 1434 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.439 The crystals are kind of the important part really because 1435 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:25.520 and as already you get into that, so I'm glad 1436 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.159 you brought it up. The machines get stronger the more 1437 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:33.520 you use them, and and and they get smarter too, 1438 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.720 and and I think a lot of that. So basically, 1439 01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:38.079 like if you were to buy a machine for me 1440 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:42.840 or some other vendor. Uh, it's gonna be like way 1441 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:47.000 noticeably stronger after like three, six, maybe nine months later, 1442 01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:49.359 you know, depending on how much you use it. But 1443 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:52.039 like the machine you first buy is not going to 1444 01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:53.640 be the machine you end up with, It's going to 1445 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:56.079 be much better the more you use it. 1446 01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.359 So you have each of these dials connected through a 1447 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:04.239 series of amplifiers in circuitry going through Paiezo crystals. They 1448 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.920 give off their own resistance and voltage, and you have 1449 01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:10.239 that connected to the plate that you rub your finger on. Yeah, 1450 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:12.680 so how much ampage is going to the crystal if 1451 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.680 you don't mind me asking, or I mean give or take. 1452 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:16.880 I know each one's probably died in a little differently. 1453 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.560 But we're talking about a range of like twenty four 1454 01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:21.720 or you go into thirty. 1455 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:23.000 What are we talking about here? 1456 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.560 It's not a whole lot. It's not much different than 1457 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:31.159 like a distortion pedal. Okay now, but it depends, you know, 1458 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:35.039 because I make beefier boxes, Like this particular machine has 1459 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:39.560 a smaller amp and a nine volt power supply, but 1460 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:43.239 I make beefier ones too, I got you, But you know, 1461 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.239 the the nine volt ones, especially because I use pretty 1462 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:48.720 good amplifiers. I don't use anything from China or anything. 1463 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:53.600 They're really good amplifiers. They just because it's nine volts 1464 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:55.920 doesn't mean it's like Woodsie, you know. 1465 01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:57.800 Oh no, no, no, not at all. 1466 01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:01.199 Like I'm telling you, how dude, ten volts DC will 1467 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:02.199 lighto ass up. 1468 01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:02.640 Like I'm not. 1469 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.039 I'm not throwing shade in any regard. And I never 1470 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:07.439 said that was a good electrician. 1471 01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:08.600 I got bit a lot. 1472 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:14.079 Yeah it was fine, man, But I'm just saying like, yeah, 1473 01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:17.199 and they were great. Now, there there are like machines 1474 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.800 out there that are really expensive, that are like higher end, 1475 01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:22.680 and uh, I kind of prefer like the basic like 1476 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:24.680 wishing machine style, like the ones that I make a 1477 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:28.760 little bit more, because you know, for the price of 1478 01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:33.640 one of the more expensive machines, you could have like 1479 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:36.039 ten of these, and I guarantee you ten of these 1480 01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:38.640 will destroy I mean you could wage war with ten 1481 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:41.079 of these, you know what I mean? Oh man, you 1482 01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:43.880 could wage a small war. And some people will mess 1483 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.720 with the weather just for fun, like some people will 1484 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:50.119 call storms. I know a couple of radionics practitioners that 1485 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:52.560 that messed up a damn out in China, you know, 1486 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:53.279 just for fun. 1487 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.079 Okay, hold on, so how much would this box cost me? 1488 01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:59.039 This exact set up? The copper, the copper, the four dial. 1489 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:00.680 The whole nine. 1490 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:06.399 This one I have set for three and thirty. But 1491 01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:09.680 depending on the person, you know, I give discounts and stuff, 1492 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.399 depending especially if they live in the US, because it's 1493 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:14.439 a lot easier to ship and I get you know, 1494 01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:18.479 all that, and then you know, so it really just depends. 1495 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:25.439 The nine dial ones are three nine dial Yeah, the 1496 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.960 seven dial and nine dial ones, they're actually a little 1497 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:31.880 bit stronger, even if they're the same amplifier and the 1498 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:36.319 same amount of you know, voltage and everything. It's weird 1499 01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:39.239 that the seven and nine dial ones are a little 1500 01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:41.600 bit stronger. I still prefer using the four and five 1501 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.600 dials the best, you know, because just because they're easier. 1502 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.720 And I already have a bunch of boxes. So if 1503 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.279 I'm like dialing a bunch of raids and I program 1504 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.680 a lot of I don't have any in here. I 1505 01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:54.199 got an empty one right here. But I program like 1506 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.279 a lot of vigil candles for my magic work. I 1507 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:00.359 probably get my fastest results doing that. 1508 01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:03.600 You programmed them, he said, Yeah. 1509 01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:05.640 Just like I'm doing on this demonstration right here on 1510 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:06.960 programming that pendant. 1511 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:12.279 Okay, is that some would say charging a crystal. 1512 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.640 Oh way better than that. Yeah, but yeah, charging a crystal, 1513 01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.960 same thing, same concept, but this is on a different level. Sure. 1514 01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:22.119 So all right, So in this specific example that we're 1515 01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:25.760 looking at, are you trying to basically enhance this crystal 1516 01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.920 through the energy of this Tarot card? 1517 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.560 Yeah? And I think I have a wealth card under it. 1518 01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:35.960 So that's a luxury card from the Crowley deck. Uh. 1519 01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:39.239 And that's a really nice pendant too. It's all silver. 1520 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:40.880 No thing's badass. 1521 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.920 Yeah. So yeah, So all right, so right here I'm 1522 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:47.479 wearing I'll put it right up in there a Lapis 1523 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:49.600 Lazuli silver and I need to polish it because it's 1524 01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:52.239 it's kind of a little worn out. 1525 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:54.239 Yeah, that thing is sick, yeah in it. 1526 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.800 So I call this my super Jupiter pendant. And what 1527 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:00.840 I did was I did an eva of a bunch 1528 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:06.199 of Jupiterian spirits. So I did an evocation of Sakiel, 1529 01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:13.520 the the planetary angel for Jupiter, Joe fil and and 1530 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:19.239 his Mael, the intelligence and spirit of Jupiter Zeus, and 1531 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:22.680 then bath Or the Olympic spirit of Jupiter. So I 1532 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.119 did a full evocation of all these and then I 1533 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:30.520 concentrated it. But then I used five six six radionics 1534 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:33.399 machines to program it after I consecrated it, because I'll 1535 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.199 do like a formal concentration and then I'll use the machines. 1536 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:38.279 So the first machine I had in daisy chained. So 1537 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:40.560 you saw those jacks on the on the radiotics machine, right, 1538 01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:42.520 You can connect those to other machines and daisy chain 1539 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.680 and you can do some really cool stuff with that. 1540 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:47.560 And so the first machine was the power supply and 1541 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.319 I used a picture of Jupiter, the magic square of 1542 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:55.039 Jupiter and the seal of Jupiter, and then it was Sakiel. 1543 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.479 The next machine was his male, next machine Joe Flu, 1544 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.319 next machine Zeus, and the next one was bath Or 1545 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.199 and then depend on the outside and then I programmed it. 1546 01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:09.520 So I did this on the planetary day and the 1547 01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:12.079 planetary hour of Jupiter, and then I finished it on 1548 01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:15.640 the planetary day and planetary hour in Jupiter. But then 1549 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.520 after I programmed it, I locked it in. And this 1550 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:19.920 is one of the cool things when it comes to 1551 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:23.000 talismans with radionics, is you can lock in your program 1552 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:25.079 so that you can wear your talisman out in the 1553 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:27.680 sun or swim in the ocean with it, or have 1554 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.760 it go through like an X ray machine without any 1555 01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:35.239 retardation done to the program, to the concentration, to the charge, 1556 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:36.079 you know. 1557 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:39.000 Okay, So I have a question here for you. So 1558 01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:42.720 the idea of, you know, whenever you're using the radionics machines, 1559 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.279 there needs to be a fair amount of intent. Now, 1560 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.960 whatever it is you're charging or whatever kind of magic 1561 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.119 that you're trying to do, once it goes through this 1562 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:57.159 process of going and being charged with the radionics machine, 1563 01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.079 do you still need to have a little bit of 1564 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:03.239 intention with the thing once it's already through that that 1565 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:07.560 whole complete process of the radionics. 1566 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:12.079 Uh you mean like after I did all that afterward, right? Uh? 1567 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.760 Not really, you know, because because it's already programmed with 1568 01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:16.399 that intention, So all you gotta do is just lock 1569 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:16.720 it in. 1570 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:20.239 Okay, Okay, Yeah, that was just a little curious thought 1571 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:25.199 that I had. Well, dude, I love learning about all 1572 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:26.880 this kind of stuff, and I've had you on Meta 1573 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.239 Mystery so many times that like, it's about time that 1574 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.239 I get me one of these radionic machines. And I'm 1575 01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:33.760 gonna be real with you, Like the way that you're 1576 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:35.960 explaining it now. I feel like I have a better 1577 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:38.600 understanding of it now because I think that it was 1578 01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:41.840 just such a foreign thing to me before that. Now 1579 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.479 that I'm one of those people, I got to hear 1580 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:45.279 something like four or five times in order for me 1581 01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.279 to actually get it, you know what I mean, or 1582 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.279 or be able to put hands on it. But yeah, 1583 01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:52.079 this is I think I get it. 1584 01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:54.279 Yeah, and there's a lot of cool stuff when you 1585 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:57.239 can buy magic with radionics. Like I said, it might 1586 01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.239 not look like much, but when you program a vigil candle, yeah, 1587 01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:02.840 cause they're supposed to burn for seven days, but they 1588 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:04.920 only burn for like four and a half days or 1589 01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:08.880 four days. But when you program that, it's a really 1590 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.640 clean and usable energy. It's a really focused intent to 1591 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:17.279 so holds all that memory and it holds all that energy, 1592 01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:21.159 and then when you include it in your like your 1593 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.560 magical ritual, it's it's really easy for the spirits to 1594 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.760 use that energy. It's really clean and easy that they 1595 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.760 prefer it. And then the light from the candle kind 1596 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:32.880 of acts as a carrier wave two, so it's kind 1597 01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:35.079 of filling the room up with your intent. Like I said, 1598 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.880 they burn for like four whole days and I get 1599 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:43.439 my fastest results probably when I do that. And you know, 1600 01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.079 I'll say, you're gonna work with like a more infernal spirit, 1601 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.199 you know, like a demon or something, or you know, 1602 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:53.880 just something that some people will consider less friendly, even 1603 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:55.680 though I've never really had a problem with the demons. 1604 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:01.359 But you can do what's called a energy jic human sacrifice, 1605 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:05.039 where you could take someone you don't like. And there's 1606 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.239 lots of douchebags in the world. There's lots of people 1607 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.640 that love volunteering themselves for these types of operations, right, 1608 01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.039 So let's say they're all a huge douchebag, but they 1609 01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.600 don't really deserve to die. But at the same time, 1610 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:17.479 you're like, yeah, I don't really think you're gonna get 1611 01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:20.840 away with that, you know, those kind of people you 1612 01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:23.319 can or even just a random person if you were 1613 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.039 like kind of messed up like that, I guess, you know. 1614 01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:31.319 But but you can like put the the sigil of 1615 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.439 the spirit you're working with on the output plate and 1616 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:38.159 then put your mark on the input plate and you 1617 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:42.359 just dial into his life force and then all that 1618 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.279 life force will transfer over to the spirit you're working 1619 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:46.760 with as an offering. 1620 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:53.039 So whoa as an offering to the possible demon spirit 1621 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:54.000 that you're working with. 1622 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:56.880 Yeah, or whatever you're working with, you know, but yeah, 1623 01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:01.640 and it's you know, because it doesn't really hurt the 1624 01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:03.359 person who're just going to be tired for a few 1625 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.119 days or whatever. You know that you can rotate him 1626 01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:10.880 to another person whatever. But that's a really clean, usable 1627 01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:15.239 energy too for the spirits. But you know, something like 1628 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.600 the sun works the best because the sun powers this 1629 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:20.880 whole realm. I mean, it's like infinite electricity and you 1630 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:21.960 can dial into it. 1631 01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:25.920 And so I do have a question for you all. 1632 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:29.239 So, since you brought up human sacrifice, although yes we're 1633 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:33.720 talking about energy energetic king sacrifice, you also are somebody 1634 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:36.279 who has a wealth of knowledge from what I've been 1635 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:40.760 given to understand about all types of mystical dark occult practices. 1636 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:43.680 Things to them for light, things done for dark, all 1637 01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.920 things in between. We had a guest on quite a 1638 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:49.520 while ago. He came on multiple times a matter of fact, 1639 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:54.079 Zachary King, a former Satanic wizard, and he went through 1640 01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:57.920 a story about his belt upbringing in the magical realms 1641 01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:00.720 into the dark arts, the groups that he associated with. 1642 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.720 He brought up oto he brought up others, and he 1643 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:09.760 was talking about some very very very dark, murderous things 1644 01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:12.560 that were done as a form of sacrifice to make 1645 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.399 magic happen. Now, I understand that that was per his 1646 01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.319 brand of magic or whatever that group's brand of magic was. 1647 01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:24.279 But as you bring up human sacrifice in your knowledge, 1648 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:27.199 is that something that is still practiced today and we're 1649 01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:32.560 talking about actual physical human sacrifice done for magical principles? 1650 01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:38.079 Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah, Okay, you know yeah, I mean, 1651 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:45.159 I mean, for for one, even if you're just doing 1652 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.239 magic in your own room and and you use like 1653 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.079 a lancet, like a tiny little diabetic lancet, like one 1654 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:56.119 or two drops of blood, adds a noticeable impact on 1655 01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.520 your magic. You know, you can just feel the energy 1656 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:02.279 kind of flutter, just poke yourself once, you know, with 1657 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:06.079 those kind of spirits and everything. And then you know, 1658 01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:08.800 something like a chicken, you know, and it's pretty easy 1659 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:11.600 for most people to sacrifice a chicken because it's a chicken. 1660 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:14.239 Well it's also like, dude, where do you think meat 1661 01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:15.560 comes from? You know what I mean? 1662 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:17.000 Absolutely so. 1663 01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:21.840 Yeah, and a chicken is going to add a huge punch. 1664 01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:25.079 You know, a rabbit is going to be a little 1665 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:26.600 bit more of a punch than chicken, but it's gonna 1666 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:29.119 be a much cleaner energy and then like something like 1667 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:32.119 a goat, like more complicated the animal. 1668 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.920 Is so per the example he was given was more 1669 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:39.079 like an abortion, a human abortion that was being done 1670 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:43.520 in a demonic sacrificial ceremony. So this would have been 1671 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.239 of the highest type of sacrifice for the ultimate type 1672 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.560 of magical conjuring, if you will. 1673 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:53.760 Yeah, I mean, yeah, people do it, man, I mean 1674 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.000 just look at the legend of the gollum, you know, 1675 01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:00.560 And a gollum is basically like a servatory mixerraturs all 1676 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:06.680 the time. I made one for Jonvian. Yeah, most servitors are, 1677 01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.960 you know, just for like, you know, finding a job. 1678 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:14.159 I've heard of people like making serviators to find parking 1679 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:17.479 spaces downtown because they work in the city. You know, 1680 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.640 they're hard to come by at nine o'clock in the morning, 1681 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:23.920 you know, stuff like that. So, but the legend of 1682 01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:29.640 the gollum was a a some Protestant child basically like 1683 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:34.439 some some rabbis got busted doing a blood libel on 1684 01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:37.279 some Protestant child, and this guy was going to go 1685 01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:43.159 and report back to whatever kingdom or whatever, and and 1686 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:45.039 so the rabbis were worried, like, dude, this is going 1687 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.640 to screw everything up for us. We got to do something. 1688 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.439 So they created this gollum to kill the guy before 1689 01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:53.159 he was able to relay the message, which they were 1690 01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:54.159 successful at doing. 1691 01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:56.239 You know, where's that story written. 1692 01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.199 I don't know. It's just a legend of the gollum. 1693 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:01.920 I got you, okay, you know, And they kind of 1694 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.840 worded differently now that this guy just all of a 1695 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.359 sudden like thought they were doing that, and that they 1696 01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:11.920 were worried about anti Semitism. So you know, but I mean, yeah, 1697 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.479 blood sacrifice, I mean people do it, you know, I. 1698 01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:16.720 Mean, that would make sense. 1699 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:19.079 He said that that type of sacrifice is only done 1700 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:22.640 it was very expensive to hire the group to do 1701 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:25.439 that type of sacrifice to make that type of magical 1702 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:27.720 thing happen, and it was always for like heads of 1703 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.199 state type of level of they need this done, and 1704 01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:33.760 they're willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen. 1705 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.920 So it makes sense. It was a very bad time 1706 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:40.199 in this guy's life. He even acknowledged how he was 1707 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.199 a part of some horrible, horrible things. 1708 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:46.880 Yeah, I mean, you know, professional magicians, like professional sorcerers. 1709 01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:50.359 Hey, oh here the puppers. 1710 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:52.239 Yeah, he's dreaming right now. 1711 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.560 Oh kind do a. 1712 01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:57.039 He's a pitboll He's one of he's one of the 1713 01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.680 briefs splassified as a pit boull. I love, yeah, my 1714 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.279 favorite dogs too. Uh So, you know, like a professional 1715 01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:06.079 source for like the going rate for like a blood 1716 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:09.119 sacrifice for like a chicken is like one to three 1717 01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:11.800 thousand dollars, so you can imagine. 1718 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:17.000 Oh yeah, dude, So Sansoria practitioners are doing this just 1719 01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:19.800 as a part of their religion. Meanwhile, they could fucking 1720 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:23.119 hire themselves out for one to three ko pop. 1721 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:23.880 That's legit. 1722 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.359 I guarantee some of these guys have clients. I'll guarantee it. 1723 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:28.159 I'll guarantee it. 1724 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:28.359 You know. 1725 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.560 Yeah, and you know, there's been a few people talking 1726 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:36.439 about like child sacrifice and human sacrifice going on in 1727 01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:39.720 like Haiti and some of the African regions. You know. 1728 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.520 And uh, I worked with this guy. I forget which 1729 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.880 island he was from. It was right next to Saint George. 1730 01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:46.079 It's kind of down where like. 1731 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:49.800 You know, they're a Saint Lucian or Saint Thomas something 1732 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:50.039 like that. 1733 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.880 They're they're they're they're black, but they speak Spanish down 1734 01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:54.399 kind of like by the Virgin Islands, I think, or 1735 01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:58.119 Puerto Rican, all lot of areas, you know. But uh, 1736 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.439 and I wasn't even talking about magic, but he spoke 1737 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:05.399 human sacrifice and child sacrifice as like just something they did. 1738 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:08.479 It wasn't even like a conspiracy to him. It wasn't weird, 1739 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:11.000 it wasn't sensationalized. It was just like, yeah, yeah, that's 1740 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.319 just what they do, you know, Like it was just 1741 01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:15.640 like no big deal to him. You know, he wasn't 1742 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:16.960 he was a Catholic, you know. 1743 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:20.920 So I mean just out of curiosity though, Like, all right, 1744 01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.960 so I've always been very curious. Sean and I we 1745 01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:26.239 just did a show a couple of days ago on 1746 01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:31.399 you know, like sacrifices and offerings and stuff like that, 1747 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.039 but more on the dark side. If if all right, 1748 01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:39.439 let's say, God forbid, I know that it goes on. 1749 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:41.560 I don't even like talking about it, but let's say 1750 01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:46.079 that there is a baby sacrificed. Okay, I know that 1751 01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:49.359 that is like the most pure thing that you can sacrifice. 1752 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:51.600 And they always talk about, you know, having the virgins 1753 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:53.840 and stuff like that. And this is the closest thing 1754 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:55.880 to the other side, so maybe that would work the best. 1755 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.960 I get that, But why exactly does a sacrifice work? 1756 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:04.680 Like can is there even physical terms to describe why 1757 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:05.319 that works? 1758 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:06.560 Good question. 1759 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:11.880 Yeah, well there's definitely energy going on. But with blood, 1760 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.560 it's it's different, man, because, like I said, a couple 1761 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.960 drops of blood will double your potency of your magic. 1762 01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:20.840 I mean it doesn't even take a lot, you know, 1763 01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:24.399 just like a diabetic lancet, a couple drops you know, 1764 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:28.600 uh yeah, it when it comes to blood, I don't know, 1765 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:30.960 but there's something really special about blood, and it seems 1766 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:34.000 like it's more potent when you burn it, you know, 1767 01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:35.840 like if you put it on like a like a 1768 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:41.119 piece of cloth or paper or parchment and you burn it, 1769 01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:43.479 it just seems like it kind of transmutes it into 1770 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.960 something that's easier for the spirits to consume. 1771 01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:51.239 So kind of like why a not to get conspiratorial here, 1772 01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:56.520 but kind of like why a holocaust would work. Yeah, yeah, 1773 01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:00.439 you know, totally burnt offering. I mean that's literally I. 1774 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:00.880 Found out that. 1775 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:02.560 Yeah, burn offering, app right. 1776 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.479 The only difference between an offering and a sacrifice is 1777 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:08.600 that the sacrifice is burned, right, Yeah. 1778 01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:11.399 And I'm sure there's like some some wars that carried 1779 01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:15.079 out in a specific way just to cause sacrifice totally. 1780 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.680 You know, people, Oh, I see it. 1781 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:21.600 Look at the flower wars that were waged once a 1782 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:24.000 year by the Mayans, where they would go and enslave 1783 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:27.760 the local inhabitants only to perform sacrifices at their temples. 1784 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:30.840 There's one record of like what was like thirteen thousand 1785 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.680 in one day. Basically like every five seconds they were 1786 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:36.159 cutting a still beating heart out and it was a big, 1787 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:37.439 big ceremony that they did. 1788 01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:39.600 It was like big, big recorded. You look at a 1789 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:42.279 what was the war? Every year the. 1790 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:46.600 Spartans waged a war on their hellet slave population because 1791 01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:49.199 they outnumbered them six to one. So once a year 1792 01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:51.640 they would like call the herd and they would just 1793 01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:53.720 go on a rampage for like two weeks and just 1794 01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:55.399 slaughter as many of them as they want and then 1795 01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:58.039 come back. And they did that as a principle to 1796 01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:00.439 their gods. There was a whole religious ceremony to like 1797 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:03.560 enact the war, and it was a whole thing. So yeah, 1798 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:06.399 absolutely makes been done for that principle. 1799 01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:09.880 It makes you wonder though, like, all right, is this 1800 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:14.439 another reason why the military industrial complex wants to keep 1801 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:20.159 perpetual war going? Is that not a sacrifice. 1802 01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:23.399 War pigs talked about, which is at black Masses at 1803 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:25.880 the same time they're talking about the war machine turning. 1804 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:27.680 Look, brother, I'm just saying. 1805 01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:32.760 Yeah. So so I'm a creationist, you know, like magic 1806 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.359 and astrology proves one percent the Earth is a creation 1807 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:38.479 prisoner is a creator one hundred percent. And uh so, 1808 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:41.000 you know, like Mars is not just like this dusty 1809 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:45.000 fucking rock, you know, millions of miles away. It's it's 1810 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:48.159 the literal god of war. You know. It is the 1811 01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:54.359 driving destructive masculine and tustosterone driven that driving masculine force, 1812 01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:58.600 you know. And when you look at America being the 1813 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.800 military presence in the world, you know, we have fifty states. 1814 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.479 That's five and there's been several times where we almost 1815 01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:07.640 lost the state and we actually gained Hawaii and Alaska 1816 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:11.279 just to create this number. And I think even DARPA 1817 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:17.880 is said at the fiftieth latitude I think, and maybe 1818 01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:22.600 longitude I forget. You know, you got the Pentagon five sided, 1819 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:26.600 you know, was it seventy seven feet tall? That's adds 1820 01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:32.600 up to five. You know, even nine to eleven two 1821 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:35.039 thousand and one adds up to five. Five is the 1822 01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:39.520 number for Mars, the god of war. America is the 1823 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:45.039 military force for the world. You know. The Vatican controls 1824 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:47.880 the world through spirit, you know, the Inner City of 1825 01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:52.920 London controls the world through money, and America throws it 1826 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.279 controls it through military force. So yeah, I definitely think, 1827 01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:57.880 you know, there's a reason for that. 1828 01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:01.560 It's interesting, you know, because I just looked up because 1829 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.720 I was born in May and that's the fifth month, right, 1830 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:06.560 and so I was like, I wonder if the fifth 1831 01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:08.520 month is also kind of in line with this, But 1832 01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:11.039 May is it says it's ruled by Venus, So I 1833 01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:12.039 guess that's not the same. 1834 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.279 No, but Venus and Mars are very closely related, and 1835 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.239 so I kind of wanted to talk about this anyway. 1836 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:22.359 So August is just for shits and giggles. 1837 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:25.359 It has to be Mars. Bro, there's no way to no. 1838 01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:29.760 No, August is the is uh is it's it's half, 1839 01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:34.359 it's uh, it's the sun and it's uh. It's basically 1840 01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.560 Leo and Virgo is August. So anyway, I want to 1841 01:31:37.560 --> 01:31:41.119 go and go talk about this anyway, because I think 1842 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:45.720 that magic and conspiracies go perfectly hand in hand together there. 1843 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:48.560 And it really bothers me that there's so much kind 1844 01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:53.520 of superstition and discrimination and kind of hysteria in the 1845 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:57.119 conspiracy scene, you know. And I'm not going to poke 1846 01:31:57.479 --> 01:31:59.159 fun at anyone, but there's also like a lot of 1847 01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:02.920 kind of like Christian narcissism in the conspiracy movement, you know, 1848 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:06.600 especially when it comes to anything remotely occult. And I 1849 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.800 think magic and the occolet go perfectly hand to hand together. 1850 01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:14.039 And uh so, let's take, for example, going to the 1851 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:15.920 miss let's look at the moon landing right. 1852 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:17.520 Now. 1853 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.600 When they named they told us what their plan was 1854 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:23.000 when they named it Apollo. Are you guys familiar with 1855 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:23.760 the Apollo myth? 1856 01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:26.319 Yeah? Wait, wait wait the Apollo myth? 1857 01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:32.119 The Apollo myth? Okay, so, so Apollo and Artemis. Artemis 1858 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:34.560 is the moon, Apollo is the sun. Paula and Artemis 1859 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.720 they were twins, brothers and sisters, but they are also married. Now. 1860 01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:41.640 Apollo chased Artemis across the sky, but he was never 1861 01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:46.279 able to consummate his marriage, meaning Apollo never reached the moon. 1862 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:50.560 WHOA see what I'm saying, so here's and here's another 1863 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:54.239 thing too. And uh, you know how like all the 1864 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:57.359 Trutheris were talking about, Elon Musk was dressed up as 1865 01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:01.359 Baphomett for Halloween. Yep, yeah, he wasn't dressed up like 1866 01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:04.159 Baphamet at all. Dude. It's so stupid. And some of 1867 01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.800 them I think were smart enough to know better, you know, 1868 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:08.560 you know, especially like some of the flat earthers. I 1869 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.479 feel like some of them were smart enough to know better. 1870 01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:13.319 So shout out to the flat earthers. 1871 01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:15.319 Yeah. So what did he have on his chest? He 1872 01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:23.079 had a ram? What is the ram signify? It signifies aries? Yeah, 1873 01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:27.439 you know, so what is aries? It's uh, first of all, 1874 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:30.159 it's a month of Aries, and it's also the god 1875 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:33.000 of war. What's Elon Musk known for? Do you remember 1876 01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:37.439 that book written by Warner von Braun Mission to Mars 1877 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:40.079 or whatever, where they go to Mars and the ruler 1878 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:42.079 of Mars was the Elon? 1879 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:42.840 Yes? 1880 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.239 Did did you know that? Okay, so what's Elon Musk 1881 01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:48.239 known for? He's known for wanting to go to Mars. 1882 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:51.159 All right. The color for Mars is red. He is 1883 01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:57.439 outfit was red. The aries is the god of war, 1884 01:33:57.439 --> 01:34:00.279 which is also associated with Mars. The ruling place it 1885 01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.760 for aries is the planet Mars. He was dressed up 1886 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.760 as the Roman god Mars. He was dressed up as Mars, 1887 01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:08.239 the god of war, and everyone thought he was dressed 1888 01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:11.319 up like Bapphamint, you know. And it's and it's such 1889 01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:15.000 face value thing, dude, It's like anyone who the thing 1890 01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.720 is like, if you're an ocultist but you're not in 1891 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:20.439 the conspiracies, you're gonna miss it. If you're a conspiracy 1892 01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:23.399 theorist and you're not into the occult, I feel like 1893 01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:26.119 you should have still seen it, but you're probably gonna 1894 01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:29.600 miss it. But if you understand both really well, it's 1895 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.439 face value. It's it's it's almost boring. It's like, it's 1896 01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:34.439 like obvious what he was dressed up as, and everyone 1897 01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:35.279 said it was Bahamint. 1898 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:39.640 Well, to be fair, there are a lot of Christians 1899 01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:42.039 within the conspiracy realm, and the same thing goes, there's 1900 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.439 a lot of Christians within the flat earth realm, right 1901 01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:48.920 so far and so whenever you see somebody dressed in 1902 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.800 all red, especially somebody like fucking Elon Musk who. 1903 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:55.039 With a horned beast with a horned beast. 1904 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.640 Like you're gonna think like that's that's probably where your 1905 01:34:57.680 --> 01:34:58.239 mind goes. 1906 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:02.000 But the same time, evangelical Christians think that that's what 1907 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:02.800 Satan looks like. 1908 01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:04.119 Is this goat figure guy? 1909 01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:06.720 And it's like, no, homie, that's a picture that's based 1910 01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:10.159 off of pan It's a whole other thing. You're thinking 1911 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.600 it because of a medieval manuscript. He doesn't look like that. 1912 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:17.960 It's the imagery, right, it's the symbolism. It's that knee 1913 01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.840 jerk reaction that they've gotten ingrained into our heads. 1914 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:24.000 So let's look at Elon here for a second, though. 1915 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:26.279 I mean, given what you know of him, I mean 1916 01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:28.600 you're also a part of the conspiracy realm as well. 1917 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:31.920 What are your initial thoughts? I mean, is this guy good? 1918 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:32.560 Is he bad? 1919 01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:35.680 Is he just a wildcard joker kind of situation? What 1920 01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:37.000 are your thoughts on Elon Musk. 1921 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:42.119 I'm not buying it at all. You know, and everyone 1922 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:44.560 thinks this guy is some type of genius. I've never 1923 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:47.079 heard the guy say anything smart in my entire life. 1924 01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:49.680 In fact, why I hear him talk. He sounds so dumb. 1925 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:51.960 It gives me anxiety because I feel bad for the guy. 1926 01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:53.880 He just seems like a lost little boy. I have 1927 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.239 the feeling his childhood was not very fun. I have 1928 01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:00.119 the feeling, and I have the feeling he doesn't have 1929 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.239 a choice in the matter and he's stuck being Elon. 1930 01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:06.000 I don't think he's driving the boat. I don't think 1931 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.279 he's a genius, and I don't think he's coming to 1932 01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:12.199 save today. But that being said, it does seem like 1933 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:14.600 Twitter has more free speeds than any other platform. You 1934 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:16.079 might as well use it while you got it, because 1935 01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:17.119 it's not going to be there forever. 1936 01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:18.720 Damn. 1937 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:19.000 You know. 1938 01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:22.640 I've always kind of had a similar you know, idea 1939 01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:25.279 of Elon as well, because you know, you hear him 1940 01:36:25.279 --> 01:36:27.600 talk and like I we listened to the whole Elon 1941 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:30.720 and uh Trump interview that they had on Twitter, and 1942 01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:34.079 I was like, fucking tit tit tit tip tip today, 1943 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:36.359 Junia fucking spit it out, you know what I mean. 1944 01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:39.399 And I've never heard that guy say anything smart. 1945 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:43.840 Right, I mean, I wouldn't label myself as a very 1946 01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:48.840 intelligent person, So anytime somebody's even saying something slightly smart, 1947 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:50.600 I'm like, Okay, I guess I'll just go with it. 1948 01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.560 You know, I still see him as a chaotic neutral. 1949 01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:54.479 I don't know. 1950 01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:57.159 It's like he has the capability of being a super 1951 01:36:57.239 --> 01:37:00.199 villain tomorrow if he decides, but he also had the 1952 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.239 ability to like save the world tomorrow if he decides, 1953 01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:04.960 and the fact that he doesn't and he's just kind 1954 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:08.039 of chilling in the middle. It's an uneasy it's not 1955 01:37:08.119 --> 01:37:11.479 a trust or a distrust. So it's a weird chaotic neutral, 1956 01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:11.840 you know. 1957 01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:14.039 Well, it all it all came crashing down for me 1958 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:18.800 whenever he sent the car into space, right, and then 1959 01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:20.960 there was the famous quote you can tell it's real 1960 01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:24.159 because it looks so fake. I knew rate then that, 1961 01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:27.439 like even he knew that it was fake, but he 1962 01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:30.800 was fooling everybody else with going along with the story. 1963 01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:34.239 So I had always kind of had a at least 1964 01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:37.439 a speculative idea that this guy really isn't who he 1965 01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:38.000 says he is. 1966 01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:40.279 Yeah, he's totally in better with the government, you know. 1967 01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:44.920 You know, like every car that he sells, the government 1968 01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:48.039 has to subsidize like ten fifteen thousand dollars per car 1969 01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:52.720 because they suck so bad that they can't sell them 1970 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:54.880 for what they're wors because people won't buy them, So 1971 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:57.640 the government has to pay him like ten or fifteen 1972 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:00.199 thousand dollars per car for him to event and have 1973 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:02.119 him on the market and be able to sell them. 1974 01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:04.000 So he's a scam artist, is what you're saying. 1975 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:06.560 You know, well, he's totally a scam artist. It was 1976 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.800 his name. Greg Reese did a video on the real 1977 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:10.840 Elon Musk. It was a five minute video, but it 1978 01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:11.880 summed them up pretty quick. 1979 01:38:12.319 --> 01:38:12.600 Wow. 1980 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:15.199 But you know, but the thing is is, like, you know, 1981 01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:16.800 first of all, who cares, you know, like, I mean, 1982 01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:18.520 most of these guys are full of crap, you know, 1983 01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.239 I mean, most normal people, their day to day liars 1984 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:23.840 are full of crap. You know, at the moment, there's 1985 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:27.720 free speech on Twitter. You know, the algorithm is being 1986 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:30.119 slightly more fair on Twitter than anywhere else. You know, 1987 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:31.800 you like, you might as well just use the resource 1988 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.399 while you have it, and you know, it's just one 1989 01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:36.439 of those things. But yeah, he's he's not one of 1990 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:37.079 us at all. 1991 01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:39.159 No, So whenever they call him the richest man in 1992 01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:41.399 the world, like I I never believe that either. 1993 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:43.920 Oh dude, there are trillionaires in the world, you know, 1994 01:38:44.199 --> 01:38:47.920 like come on, yeah, the guy just made some money, 1995 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.680 like a few years ago, like twenty years ago. You know, 1996 01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:54.279 like there are people that come from like old money 1997 01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:56.840 that goes all the way back to like you know, 1998 01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:57.880 a thousand years ago. 1999 01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:04.119 You know absolutely, yeah, yeah, well yeah. 2000 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:04.640 That's he's from South Africa. 2001 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:09.680 Bro, there's when you talk about old money from South Africa, 2002 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:12.000 it kind of gets to an ugly point. 2003 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:14.199 The further back he goes, it really does well. 2004 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:18.079 And also, dude, you get into the whole just what 2005 01:39:18.159 --> 01:39:21.560 was it his uh, his caretaker or his babysitter. You've 2006 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:24.560 seen that video where she's talking about like she believed 2007 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:26.840 that he was the Antichrist, Like from a very young 2008 01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.319 age she thought that just a very different kind of child. 2009 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:32.520 I mean, what do you make of that? I mean, 2010 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:34.880 I don't know if you believe in Antichrist or anything 2011 01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:37.159 like that. But is there something to it or is 2012 01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:38.680 she kind of just a little nutty? 2013 01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:41.840 I have the feeling he had an occult back as 2014 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:44.680 far as the Antichrist goes, yeah, I think it's kind 2015 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:46.439 of a more of a metaphor. I think there's been 2016 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:49.119 probably lots of Antichrist. Like here's the thing. Since I've 2017 01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:54.079 been alive, Bill Clinton was considered the Antichrist. George Bush 2018 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:58.119 was considered the antichrist, Obama was considered the antichrist. Trump 2019 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:02.680 was considered the antichrist, Biden, you know, like they're all 2020 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:07.359 considered the antichrist, you know. So it's one of those things. 2021 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:12.800 Good point, but uh, but yeah, the fascinating thing about 2022 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.720 that story from his babysitter was how he had all 2023 01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:19.560 these cool like relics that he played with, Like he 2024 01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:21.119 didn't play with like action figures. 2025 01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:23.960 He had like weird like little fucking voodoo stuff, you know, 2026 01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:25.119 Like I thought that was awesome. 2027 01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:26.800 WHOA Why? 2028 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:29.680 And part of that part of the story I think 2029 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:33.640 is probably pretty legit, you know, like I have the 2030 01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:37.720 feeling he did it kind of come from a traumatizing childhood. 2031 01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:40.560 He probably didn't get a lot of interactions. Seemed like 2032 01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:42.600 he really wanted someone to play with, like from what 2033 01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:44.800 she described. And I see that because he looks like 2034 01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:47.279 a lost little boy. Like when you hear him talk, 2035 01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:50.159 he seems like a sad and lost little boy. You know. 2036 01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:53.000 I'll say this as far as the white population in 2037 01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:58.640 South Africa as well, they some would call them borderline 2038 01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:03.279 religious zelots because if you don't know, there's a civil 2039 01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:06.560 war going on in South Africa right now between the 2040 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:10.439 white inhabitants and the black inhabitants. Long story short, apartheid 2041 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.720 is over, and the black inhabitants they're pissed about the 2042 01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:15.359 way they've been treated for the last few years. 2043 01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:15.960 I get it. 2044 01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:20.079 And essentially the white people are saying, no, this is 2045 01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:23.000 our land, granted to us by a covenant we made 2046 01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:26.000 with God, you know, one hundred and fifty years ago. 2047 01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:29.520 The black inhabitants are like, this is clearly our land. 2048 01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:32.359 Get the fuck out of it. And it's gotten downhill 2049 01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.159 very quickly. So the nanny again, like I said, most 2050 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:38.439 of the white inhabitants had that type of religious fervor 2051 01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:39.439 within them. 2052 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:40.960 So for her to say that. 2053 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.800 Elon was the Antichrist because he was down with playing 2054 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:46.159 with weird religious relics and things like that at a 2055 01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:47.159 young age. 2056 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:47.439 I could see that. 2057 01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:50.159 Also, being a little bit of a you know, she 2058 01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:52.279 might have been a little on the wild side, and 2059 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:55.600 the fact that he was even slightly different made her think, oh, 2060 01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:56.840 he's obviously a demon. 2061 01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:58.720 I could see that as well. 2062 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:03.960 Well. You know, allegedly she saw like some type of 2063 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:06.880 portal with some spirits coming out of it, and then 2064 01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:10.319 she like freaked out. I think she like, uh said 2065 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:13.079 something about Jesus or something. Anyway, the portal closed up 2066 01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.800 and went away, and he was like, oh, you didn't 2067 01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:16.640 like my friends? 2068 01:42:17.279 --> 01:42:19.479 Oh whoa, I didn't hear that part. Oh shit. 2069 01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:22.439 Yeah, so so it was more to the story than that. 2070 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:26.239 And okay, and that sounds like really fantastical, but you 2071 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:29.359 know I could see Fuck. I mean, have you seen 2072 01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:31.239 what the guy's mom and dad looks like. I could 2073 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:32.720 see demons hanging out with that kid. 2074 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:37.159 I haven't, actually dud his mom is scary, Yeah, I mean. 2075 01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:39.039 Spirits are everywhere. I lived just a few minutes away 2076 01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:41.319 from skin Walk around you by a few minutes, I 2077 01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:42.680 mean literally down the road. 2078 01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:46.439 Okay, wait, we're gonna talk about that in a second. 2079 01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:48.319 Hold on, it would either of you say that Elon 2080 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:52.439 Musk's parents look like they may be reptilian in nature. 2081 01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:57.159 I will show you a picture and let you decide 2082 01:42:57.279 --> 01:43:03.479 on your own. Because this woman is, uh, she looks 2083 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:06.119 she looks like she's up to no good. You know 2084 01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:06.680 what I'm saying. 2085 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:11.239 Okay, Okay, Now, secondly, you said you live by Skinwalker Ranch. 2086 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:16.520 Oh, we simply must speak about this. WHOA was a model? 2087 01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:20.399 Look look how black her eyes are. And these aren't 2088 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.880 even bad pictures, and these pictures actually make her look pretty. 2089 01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:26.399 Nice, right right, there's some without makeup dude that you're like, 2090 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:30.279 what the fuck is going on here? Like, look at this? 2091 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:32.600 What what? 2092 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:33.960 Ruela Deville dog? 2093 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:38.439 Yeah, and his dad looks even more evil if you 2094 01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.560 see a picture of his dad with his mom together, dude, 2095 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:43.239 I mean just pure evil. 2096 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:49.199 Let's see the mom and the dad. 2097 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:51.079 It looks like all the good pictures are kind of 2098 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:52.359 scrubbed off of Google. Man. 2099 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:55.960 Yeah, and also it is Google, so it's kind of 2100 01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:56.680 what you're gonna get. 2101 01:43:56.800 --> 01:43:57.880 But wow. 2102 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:02.039 Yeah, Yeah, there's the one you could kind of. 2103 01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:04.680 See, kind of has a Soros look to him. 2104 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:09.920 He Uh. If you guys like research like ritual abuse 2105 01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:13.920 and stuff, the people that are accused of like cannibalism, 2106 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:16.680 they both have the same look in their eyes as 2107 01:44:17.039 --> 01:44:19.279 the people that are accused of cannibalism and their whole 2108 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:22.279 ritual abuse cases. You know, they just have that look 2109 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:24.880 to their eyes, you know. And uh, if you look 2110 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:26.800 at like some of the ritual abuse cases out here 2111 01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:29.520 in Utah, they have that same look, you know. And 2112 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:31.159 if you look at Elon, look at him dude, he's 2113 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:33.199 a sad, lost little boy. Look at that picture right there. 2114 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:35.199 He doesn't know what the fuck's going on. 2115 01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:38.399 He's doing like long division right now. Man. 2116 01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:43.920 Oh look, Elon Musk says he didn't have a happy childhood, 2117 01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:45.680 you know right there? 2118 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:49.039 Yeah, he I feel bad for the guy, man, I 2119 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:52.279 don't I don't even think he wants to be Elon Musk. 2120 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:55.720 He probably just would rather just be loved, you know, 2121 01:44:57.479 --> 01:44:59.560 a want and a lot of people just don't see it. 2122 01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:01.840 They think he's like the super genius and he's totally not, 2123 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:02.199 you know. 2124 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:07.520 All right, so let's get into this whole Skinwalker Ranch dude, Like, 2125 01:45:07.560 --> 01:45:10.119 so you you currently live not that far away or 2126 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:10.720 you used to? 2127 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:16.159 No, I love just right on the road front it basically, yeah. 2128 01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:17.680 What kind of shit is really going on over there? 2129 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:20.119 Because I feel like TV likes to hype it up 2130 01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:21.960 and other people that have gone there like to hype 2131 01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:25.319 it up. Have you experienced anything like that? 2132 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:31.239 I haven't been to Skinwalker Ranch proper, And you have 2133 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:33.640 to pay money to go there to set an appointment 2134 01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:39.199 and and all that. But you know, like there was 2135 01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:43.319 a group of people and they went there with like 2136 01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:45.640 some psychedelics and they're also like in the magic and 2137 01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:48.319 the occult and air thing, and they went there specifically 2138 01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:52.479 to do magic there and to kind of have a 2139 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.840 a an experience. And they said that, you know, the 2140 01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:59.479 people that went there cleared all that energy out, and 2141 01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.640 it's base. There's not really any energy there anymore. I 2142 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:06.159 don't know how true that is, you know, but you know, 2143 01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:08.840 or how often they clear it out, because sometimes you 2144 01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:10.520 have to do it multiple times to get rid of 2145 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:14.199 it if the energy there is really thick. But apparently 2146 01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:18.439 there's nothing there anymore. That a bunch of the Indians 2147 01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:21.119 went there and just spiritually cleansed the place, you know. 2148 01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:24.640 So that's what I've heard. I haven't been there, but 2149 01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:27.520 I'll say this. When I moved into this house, there 2150 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:30.800 was a really nasty negative entity here. And I've dealt 2151 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:35.520 with negative entities before, you know, and this one was 2152 01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:41.000 way more persistent than any negative entity I've ever encountered before. 2153 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:43.960 And the residue in the house was thick enough to 2154 01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.279 where because it's a hundred year old house was built 2155 01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:52.159 in twenty seven and wow, so it had been here 2156 01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:55.000 for over twenty years. Judging by the residue, probably over 2157 01:46:55.079 --> 01:46:58.399 forty could have been here since the very beginning, who knows, 2158 01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:01.760 But it was like way nastier and way more persistent. 2159 01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:04.239 It kept trying to come back, which I'm not used to. 2160 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.279 Usually you get rid of them and then maybe you 2161 01:47:06.359 --> 01:47:08.920 clean one more time and that's it, you know. But 2162 01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:10.840 this one was like I had to keep kind of 2163 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:12.039 getting rid of it. You know. 2164 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:15.720 So you brought up the Native Americans are talking about 2165 01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:18.840 skim walker ranch and you, having the wealth of knowledge 2166 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:22.279 that you have, what is your take on skim walkers 2167 01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:27.560 in the Navajo tribe lore? And what type of magic 2168 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.920 do you believe they're tapping into in order to do this? 2169 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:36.640 Uh? Yeah, See that's tough because I mean the Indian 2170 01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:38.880 has lost a lot of their culture, you know, and 2171 01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:40.920 so if we you know, like a lot of people 2172 01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:42.680 don't know this. You know, white people were a bunch 2173 01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:45.720 of tribes just kicking it in Europe, you know, then 2174 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:50.000 the Church came in. We were conquered. You know, if 2175 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:52.760 you look up like the churches of skulls all across Europe, 2176 01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:57.720 that's basically what happened to us. And uh so, you know, 2177 01:47:57.800 --> 01:48:01.439 so we lost a lot of our ancient ways, and 2178 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:04.640 everything that we have comes filtered through the church. So 2179 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:07.920 you know, it's it's hard to say, but I will 2180 01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:13.079 say this, Uh, Indians are naturally proved prone to spiritual 2181 01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:16.680 possession more than like other groups of people, you know, 2182 01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:20.000 like I mean by far. And when you when you 2183 01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:22.319 hear like the Indians like beating the drums and they 2184 01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:25.319 start doing their chant it causes a shift in the 2185 01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:28.159 atmosphere and you can you can feel the spirits coming. 2186 01:48:28.479 --> 01:48:30.560 Spirits for some reason do like drums. There is something 2187 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.359 about hypnotic drumming and chanting and stuff the spirits do 2188 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:35.239 like and fire. 2189 01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:37.960 Of course, Dude, I jam with pow wow drums. 2190 01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:40.640 I don't know how that how weird that makes me 2191 01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:42.520 or not, But dude, going in my car, I will 2192 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:45.520 put on like you look up pow wow like competitions 2193 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:47.840 where like different tribes will like do their drum beats 2194 01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:48.600 and sing. 2195 01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:48.920 And all that. 2196 01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:52.000 Bro, that is some fucking hype music. I don't give 2197 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:52.439 a fuck with. 2198 01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:54.680 Nobody says yeah and uh. 2199 01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:57.479 And they do eat like like out here like Peote 2200 01:48:57.520 --> 01:49:00.680 and San Pedro apparently out here sam Pere is actually 2201 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:03.960 it grows here in Utah and it's legal. So I 2202 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.119 don't know where I can find some but I'm definitely 2203 01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:07.560 gonna you know, win and row. 2204 01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:11.520 You let us know when you get your hands on 2205 01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:14.359 some peyote. That would have to come at some point 2206 01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:15.039 in my life. 2207 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:17.439 No, I just found a video on how to grow 2208 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:20.000 it in your own home, these small little things, a 2209 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:22.520 whole step by step got I'm like, wait what and 2210 01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:24.520 it's like, yeah, you could totally just have these and 2211 01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:26.279 you could just grow this plant in your home in 2212 01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:29.119 your garden. I'm like, we could just grow peyoti. 2213 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:32.640 How long do you traditionally like trip on payota? Like 2214 01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:34.800 how long? Is is it like six seven hours like 2215 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:36.439 a mushroom trip or is that what I. 2216 01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:38.680 Would assume It's the same as mushrooms, is what I 2217 01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:41.079 would I would guess there's a lot of I. 2218 01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:43.479 Guess depends on how you ingest it, right, because you're 2219 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:45.479 talking about eating it, and it usually takes about eight 2220 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.560 hours to work through your system that way, depending on 2221 01:49:47.640 --> 01:49:48.960 how you metabolize things. 2222 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:51.439 Yeah, yeah, that. 2223 01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:51.920 Sounds about it. 2224 01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:52.319 Yeah. 2225 01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:54.760 With the Indians, you know, like so they do some 2226 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:57.199 psychedelic stuff, you know, they do that trance work with 2227 01:49:57.239 --> 01:50:00.479 the drums and the stuff, and I don't no, man, 2228 01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:03.960 you know, you know, because so much of our history 2229 01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:05.000 has been wiped clean. 2230 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:08.279 So if I can break down for you a couple 2231 01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:11.520 of things that I heard about with skin walkers in particular, 2232 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:13.640 could you tell me the type of magic that. 2233 01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:14.479 They're tapping into? 2234 01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:15.880 Sure? 2235 01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:17.279 Yeah, okay, all right. 2236 01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:21.960 So this story was being told by a Navajo who 2237 01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:24.520 was breaking all of the rules talking about it. But 2238 01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:26.199 I don't know if he knows if he was being 2239 01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:28.000 filmed or not, as he was talking about it with 2240 01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:30.760 his boys, right, And the only reason he felt comfortable 2241 01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:32.600 talking about it was because he had been trained from 2242 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:36.760 a very young age in how to combat dark magic 2243 01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:40.039 or dark medicine within the Navajo tribe. So like he 2244 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:42.399 had been well versed on what to do, and so 2245 01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:44.399 much so that he and his uncle and his cousins 2246 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:48.840 were like called to help people with skin walker issues, 2247 01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:51.720 like his family was known for that within his tribe, 2248 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:53.720 which is dope and still to this day he's still alive. 2249 01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:55.319 Now. 2250 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:57.720 He said that there was this one house they were called. 2251 01:50:57.720 --> 01:50:59.880 They said, this is the family land. There's an old 2252 01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:03.079 shed in the back, Granddad's old shed, and nobody goes 2253 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:05.640 back there because there's clearly an evil entity back there. 2254 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:07.119 We don't fuck with it. And we need y'all go 2255 01:51:07.239 --> 01:51:08.640 check it out. They said, dope, let's go. 2256 01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:11.359 So they go. Long story short, when they get to 2257 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.640 the house, the door like bursts open, dark force. 2258 01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:16.920 Goes whoosh out of it. Right, so, all right, there's 2259 01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:19.439 evil afoot. We can clearly see this. Let's go in. 2260 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:23.439 They open up an old trunk, okay old, an old 2261 01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:26.920 chest that they felt this was where the energy was 2262 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:30.960 coming from. Inside of the chest, there was human bones 2263 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:35.359 that had carvings in them. There was also a rag 2264 01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:37.560 of some type and I don't know if it was 2265 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:39.199 a shirt, I don't know if it was a towel. 2266 01:51:39.199 --> 01:51:40.760 I don't know if it was a pillow, I don't know, 2267 01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:44.399 some sort of cloth that was clearly blood soaked. 2268 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:46.239 But it was like old blood. This was like black. 2269 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:48.039 It was old and like you know what I'm saying, 2270 01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:51.319 was not fresh. Nobody was living in this house, and 2271 01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:53.720 they had to burn them. They had to do this 2272 01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:58.800 whole ceremony. But carving into bones, especially human bones, now, 2273 01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:00.920 he said that may have been a victim of the 2274 01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:04.840 skin walker at some point, or he had to murder 2275 01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:09.680 somebody and use those bones to create the medicine to 2276 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:12.439 become a skin walker. Because you have to like really 2277 01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:14.960 have quote unquote skin in the game in order to 2278 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:17.039 go to that dark side of things. You don't just 2279 01:52:17.479 --> 01:52:19.840 you don't just become a novice in the dark arts. 2280 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:23.079 As far as this is concerned, according to him, what 2281 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:25.920 by that description, what type of magic is this? 2282 01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:29.319 Well, traditionally runes are carved out of bones, aren't they. 2283 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:32.399 But again Navajo, so that wouldn't be the Nordic runes. 2284 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.880 But is it the same thing, different languages. It's just 2285 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:36.359 the same type of vibe. 2286 01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:39.399 Yeah, I mean, there's only so many magical techniques. You know, 2287 01:52:39.399 --> 01:52:42.640 you're gonna see a lot of similarities, you know, with it. 2288 01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:47.439 But you know, it's hard to say what happened to 2289 01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:50.479 the person. You know, they could have just found those bones. 2290 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:53.880 It could have been a funeral, right, it could have 2291 01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:57.520 been a bad person that got dealt with and that 2292 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:01.119 was their way of controlling it. You know, they could 2293 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:04.840 have even done that, plus use the energy to destroy 2294 01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:08.680 a couple of more enemies. So there's a couple of legs. 2295 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:11.720 I wouldn't say legends, but his history, you know, when 2296 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:14.439 the Mormons first came here, like where I'm at, I'm 2297 01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:22.640 in Roosevelt, Utah, and so just like thirty minutes east 2298 01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:26.600 is Vernal and on on that road or path or 2299 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:28.840 trail whatever it was. You know, one hundred years ago 2300 01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:33.479 to Vernal, there was a a group of Indians that 2301 01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:37.640 were like really savage and aggressive, and the other Indians 2302 01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:40.560 kind of like weren't really. I mean, I'm sure they 2303 01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:42.199 interacted with them, but they were they kind of kept 2304 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:45.039 a safe distance from them, but they would like whenever 2305 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:50.039 they saw like Mormons traveling through there and and they 2306 01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:51.680 saw them, they would like kind of hunt them down 2307 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:54.359 and kill them and scalp them. And I wouldn't be 2308 01:53:54.399 --> 01:53:57.039 surprised if they were doing something similar to what that 2309 01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:57.960 person stumbled on. 2310 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:00.760 Really, So that's the history orcal precedents. 2311 01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:03.600 I've heard the same thing, right, They were enacting the 2312 01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:08.000 dark magic in order to help the greater good for 2313 01:54:08.159 --> 01:54:11.319 their tribe of keeping the white man at bay, and 2314 01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:13.640 like I could see those types of things, but this 2315 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:15.840 was more of a modern day example. But like you're saying, 2316 01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:19.439 so this is a touch on rune magic, I could 2317 01:54:19.479 --> 01:54:22.640 see maybe blood magic being at play on that one 2318 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:27.159 as well. Yeah, room magic specifically into the bone carving 2319 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:27.439 like that. 2320 01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:33.439 Well, yeah, a lot of people will carve runs out 2321 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:36.560 of bones or wood, but yeah, a lot of them. 2322 01:54:36.680 --> 01:54:39.520 You know, I'd been carved in bones. Hey, Jonathan, can 2323 01:54:39.560 --> 01:54:42.239 you pull up on Google right now? Churches of skulls? 2324 01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:42.840 Oh? 2325 01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:45.159 Yes, I can, absolutely. 2326 01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:47.039 So there's one in Portugal. 2327 01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:49.399 I think it is that the entire cathedral's made out 2328 01:54:49.439 --> 01:54:50.439 of human skulls. 2329 01:54:50.520 --> 01:54:51.920 I want to go check that, bitch out. 2330 01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:55.279 Oh yeah, dude. They're all over the world, you know, and. 2331 01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:01.399 So and here we go. 2332 01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:05.199 Yeah, dude, I thought there was only one of these. 2333 01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:07.880 I know there's category like the walls are made out 2334 01:55:07.880 --> 01:55:10.079 of them, and ship but churches. 2335 01:55:10.159 --> 01:55:12.399 Yeah, churches, Look at this, even alters look at all 2336 01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:15.560 this stuff. Yeah, so so look at this. Look how 2337 01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:19.680 decorative it is? Now? Number one, who were these people? 2338 01:55:19.680 --> 01:55:21.720 Where did they come from? If you like, send like 2339 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:25.760 a psychic tendril across some of these bones. There's a 2340 01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:29.199 really kind of like noticeable psychic output coming from them, 2341 01:55:29.199 --> 01:55:32.119 which tells me their last days alive were not very pleasant. 2342 01:55:32.520 --> 01:55:36.079 But look at these bones. Now, ask yourself, how did 2343 01:55:36.079 --> 01:55:37.640 they get the meat off those bones? 2344 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:41.800 How did they I don't. 2345 01:55:41.720 --> 01:55:43.640 Have assumed bugs and shit personally? 2346 01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:46.960 I look how clean they are? Dude? No, no, no, 2347 01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:49.640 they were They were they were cleaned. I wouldn't be 2348 01:55:49.640 --> 01:55:53.000 surprised if these people were eat you know, you know me, 2349 01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:56.600 like how the Catholics like take communion, you. 2350 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:57.119 Know, right. 2351 01:55:57.439 --> 01:55:59.439 But I mean, don't get me wrong, I've done skull 2352 01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:02.520 preservation and stuff to like have deer mounts and ship 2353 01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:04.279 I mean you put it in a bucket of beatles. 2354 01:56:04.279 --> 01:56:04.520 It does. 2355 01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:06.720 Look at the one down here on the bottom, dude, 2356 01:56:07.560 --> 01:56:09.359 that's like that's like three stories tall. 2357 01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:11.960 Oh yeah, but I mean how how long ago was 2358 01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:12.439 that built? 2359 01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:15.760 Those skulls have been exposed and cleaned for quite some 2360 01:56:15.880 --> 01:56:16.640 time now, you know. 2361 01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:20.199 Yeah. But I'm saying, is you know, like you're not 2362 01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:22.199 just gonna find clean bones like that? 2363 01:56:22.640 --> 01:56:24.199 Oh no, no, no, I agree. 2364 01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:27.680 I mean look at them, dude. I mean there's millions 2365 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:29.319 of them. There's millions of them. 2366 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:31.159 Yes, And dude, that's. 2367 01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:34.159 Wild, dude, unreal, dude. I have never check some of. 2368 01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:35.680 These places out. This is metalist. 2369 01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:38.800 Fuck yeah. And some of them actually have like altars 2370 01:56:38.840 --> 01:56:40.840 where you can do magic and ship on them, you. 2371 01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:45.319 Know in the church. Well I shouldn't be in New Orleans. 2372 01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:47.640 Was used for magic in Italy. 2373 01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:50.840 Yeah, Italy. They're all over the world, man, and a 2374 01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:52.520 lot of these people didn't even know where they're they 2375 01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:56.000 were sealed off, and then they were renovating or remodeling 2376 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:58.279 the church and also and they're like, what the hell 2377 01:56:58.399 --> 01:56:59.079 is this. 2378 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:00.960 Wild shit? 2379 01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:03.239 Oh, but this is this is what the Catholics did 2380 01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:07.000 to Europe. This is what they did, you know. 2381 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.000 Oh, so you're saying that all of these skulls were 2382 01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:12.439 the ones that didn't convert, so you built their churches 2383 01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:13.000 out of their body. 2384 01:57:13.039 --> 01:57:14.600 Yeah, that converted eye. 2385 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:17.760 Some kind of. So it's probably safe to say that 2386 01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:19.600 a lot of these are pagan skulls. 2387 01:57:20.239 --> 01:57:22.880 I mean, they could they could also be Muslim. There 2388 01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:26.079 was a lot of Muslims in Europe, you know. Muslim 2389 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:29.000 Islam is actually a European religion, so is Christianity. They 2390 01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:30.119 don't come from the Middle East. 2391 01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:33.359 So I see that especially in Spain too. 2392 01:57:33.439 --> 01:57:36.960 When they eradicated the Moorish population out of Spain, which 2393 01:57:37.039 --> 01:57:40.279 was predominantly Muslim, they were not very kind to them. 2394 01:57:40.359 --> 01:57:42.000 You see this right here, This is just like you 2395 01:57:42.039 --> 01:57:43.720 know what you're describing with the Indians. 2396 01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:46.239 You know, Oh, dude, there's tons of skulls like this 2397 01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:49.079 that are carved all over Tibet as well. It's like 2398 01:57:49.119 --> 01:57:51.760 a whole thing they do with prayer, with the bones 2399 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:52.079 and all that. 2400 01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:54.319 Yeah, they have like the skull calfs or they drink 2401 01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:55.199 out of it and stuff. 2402 01:57:55.439 --> 01:57:58.840 Yeah, those weren't murder victims. They were offered up in 2403 01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:02.039 a ceremonious way. But that's different. That's the other side 2404 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:03.000 of the continent. 2405 01:58:03.319 --> 01:58:06.840 Yeah, they got a whole chandelier here of skulls and bones. 2406 01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:12.720 Holy shit, dude, Wow, this is unreal and so yeah, 2407 01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:15.039 you're you're not going to see that in the history books. 2408 01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:16.039 I can imagine, right. 2409 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.399 Oh, I learned about this in high school, but I 2410 01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:21.039 only thought there was one of them. I always saw 2411 01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:22.279 one picture in a textbook. 2412 01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:23.680 Dude, They're all over the world. 2413 01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:25.000 That is insane. 2414 01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:27.439 Yeah, they had the one in Italy, you know, in Poland. 2415 01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:30.560 When we hear stories about how like the Mayans were 2416 01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:34.079 sacrificing people and stuff, we're taking their word for it. 2417 01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:36.960 The people that did that to humanity, we're taking their 2418 01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:39.560 word for it. For all we know. They went in there, 2419 01:58:40.039 --> 01:58:43.199 they sacrificed everyone, They stacked up all those skulls and bones, 2420 01:58:43.239 --> 01:58:45.439 and then said like, oh, these people were savages. They 2421 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:47.680 were sacrificing people to the sun. God. 2422 01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:52.720 You know, yeah, it's easier to dispose of the negative 2423 01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:56.399 entities whenever you're you're framing them in that way. 2424 01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.720 There's a lot of pictures of them doing it like 2425 01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.560 they're artwork, not European, just saying. 2426 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:05.000 Yeah, but who knows? How is it how all those 2427 01:59:05.039 --> 01:59:08.079 buildings are anyway? You know, like a lot of that 2428 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:09.479 stuff was built in the eighteen hundreds. 2429 01:59:09.479 --> 01:59:14.119 So, and I also have a hard time imagining that everybody, 2430 01:59:14.239 --> 01:59:17.960 so let's just I don't know, let's name just a 2431 01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:21.840 pagan community. I have a hard time thinking that they 2432 01:59:21.880 --> 01:59:24.720 were all doing the same thing, you know, like just 2433 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:29.199 grouping and in that kind of way. So look at 2434 01:59:29.239 --> 01:59:31.520 it like this. You could say, all right, well, all 2435 01:59:31.560 --> 01:59:36.479 the school shooters are traditionally young teenage white boys. Does 2436 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:39.640 that mean all Does that mean all teenage white boys 2437 01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:40.560 are school shooters? 2438 01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:41.000 No? 2439 01:59:42.119 --> 01:59:45.159 All right, I'm not saying that every Muslim is a terrorist, 2440 01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:47.760 but all terrorists just happen to be of a certain 2441 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:51.319 that's the two aren't necessarily connected. Framing them a certain 2442 01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.920 way is going to just make it look horrible, absolutely right. 2443 01:59:54.079 --> 01:59:57.560 Right right, So to call an entire people savage, you know. 2444 01:59:58.439 --> 02:00:00.159 And I also don't like the groupings to the other 2445 02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:03.640 that people do across pagan pantheons. Dude, Okay, Like okay, 2446 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:07.600 Greek to Roman, I get, dude, Nordic to Samerian is 2447 02:00:07.720 --> 02:00:11.560 such a fucking leap of Oh this God, clearly this guy. Like, Okay, 2448 02:00:11.600 --> 02:00:13.279 maybe there's a handful you could do that with, but 2449 02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:17.159 not the entire pantheon or who married who, the storylines 2450 02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:19.359 in that shit. But people will just like throw it 2451 02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:21.119 out to me the exact same thing, and it's like, 2452 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:25.720 yeah again, that to me is equal to the Christians 2453 02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:27.880 going oh, well it's a demon spawn and that bub 2454 02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:28.319 bump bump. 2455 02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:31.640 It's like you just took away the entire culture by saying, yeah, 2456 02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:32.159 you know what I mean. 2457 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:34.439 Well, history is always written by the victors. We know 2458 02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:36.960 this already, dude. This is why I question history as 2459 02:00:37.039 --> 02:00:39.520 much as I do. It's always the good guys that 2460 02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:42.359 come out on top. I mean, fancy that, you know 2461 02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:46.479 what I mean. So, but speaking of demons, I you 2462 02:00:46.520 --> 02:00:50.119 had mentioned earlier about how you have worked with demons 2463 02:00:50.159 --> 02:00:53.520 before and how you haven't really had any bad experiences 2464 02:00:53.560 --> 02:00:57.800 with that. I mean, so could you maybe describe that 2465 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:00.720 how you work with them and why you work with them, 2466 02:01:01.279 --> 02:01:03.800 just to try and you know, so we can wrap 2467 02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:07.560 our conspiracy mind around how maybe some of the elites 2468 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:09.960 or people of Hollywood or whatever are also using them, 2469 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:11.159 maybe in a different way. 2470 02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:13.960 But you know, yeah, so there's a few things going 2471 02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:17.800 on there, But I'll save like the elites and stuff 2472 02:01:18.439 --> 02:01:21.199 towards the end there, I'll just talk about So Number 2473 02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:24.960 one is, like there's a few different diffinitions of demons. 2474 02:01:25.000 --> 02:01:28.680 In the Greeks, the word daemon is kind of referred 2475 02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:32.640 to as divine intelligence, and you know, there's like a 2476 02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:36.680 beneficial demon, and then there was more negative ones. Now, 2477 02:01:38.199 --> 02:01:40.560 when when you're talking about demons from like the Bible, 2478 02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:44.960 like the lyle or piemon or whatever, they're as azel 2479 02:01:46.680 --> 02:01:48.560 as far as I'm concerned. A lot of these are 2480 02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:50.960 just kind of like characters in the book that represent 2481 02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:55.800 aspects of the human experience the skyclock, you know, like 2482 02:01:55.800 --> 02:01:59.279 like all the religions and all of the secret societies 2483 02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:02.479 and all this stuff. It's all based on astrotheology, you know, 2484 02:02:03.159 --> 02:02:05.239 like like pretty much all of it is. So it 2485 02:02:05.239 --> 02:02:07.680 gets kind of convoluted about that kind of stuff. But 2486 02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:13.239 so what I consider to be like real demons is 2487 02:02:13.279 --> 02:02:17.399 whenever there's a lot of trauma someplace, you know, like 2488 02:02:17.399 --> 02:02:20.119 like a murder or a lot of abuse happens in 2489 02:02:20.119 --> 02:02:22.239 the house, or a suicide, like what happened to me 2490 02:02:22.359 --> 02:02:28.119 in an apartment. Uh. The it kind of creates this energy. 2491 02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:31.359 It's it's almost like a tornado of chaos, and it 2492 02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.199 will kind of keep attracting that kind of energy and 2493 02:02:35.239 --> 02:02:39.880 affecting the environment. And then eventually it gets stronger and smarter. 2494 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:42.560 After it possesses a couple of people, it starts kind 2495 02:02:42.600 --> 02:02:45.880 of learning like language, and it starts becoming more tangible. 2496 02:02:46.279 --> 02:02:48.079 And I think a lot of like to me, like 2497 02:02:48.159 --> 02:02:51.880 that's a demon. But the say, like the demons from 2498 02:02:51.920 --> 02:02:56.359 the Croatia, like a Zazel Blile, you know, Bile, all 2499 02:02:56.399 --> 02:03:00.680 those demons, I kind of can say of them more 2500 02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:04.640 like I mean, it's hard to say, but one thing 2501 02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:07.760 I do know is like they they do seem like 2502 02:03:07.800 --> 02:03:12.039 their purpose is to serve the magician, you know, for 2503 02:03:13.000 --> 02:03:16.000 lack of a better term. But yeah, I've never had 2504 02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:20.600 a problem with them from a pragmatic standpoint. I think 2505 02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:26.720 demons work really fast. From a pragmatic standpoint, you know, 2506 02:03:27.039 --> 02:03:29.239 they won't like argue with you or anything with that, 2507 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:35.560 like you know, like but they work fast. And as 2508 02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:39.159 far as like initiation and stuff, they don't have any 2509 02:03:39.199 --> 02:03:43.600 restrictions on what they're willing to teach you, you know, or 2510 02:03:43.640 --> 02:03:49.279 tell you or help you get good at and from, 2511 02:03:49.319 --> 02:03:52.600 like like evocation and magic and just being interesting. They 2512 02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:57.000 usually have you feel their presence a lot quicker in 2513 02:03:57.079 --> 02:03:59.520 the temple. You can feel the shift of energy. And 2514 02:03:59.560 --> 02:04:03.239 they usually have more of a unique personality to them. 2515 02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:09.000 You can notice their personality a lot more. And they yeah, 2516 02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:13.239 I mean they yeah, Like I said, they just kind 2517 02:04:13.239 --> 02:04:16.840 of are a little bit more interesting than some other spirits. 2518 02:04:17.439 --> 02:04:19.760 But like I said, they work fast. That's that's one 2519 02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:22.399 thing I'll say about demons. They show up fast. They 2520 02:04:22.439 --> 02:04:25.199 work fast, like if you have a goal you're trying 2521 02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:28.119 to accomplish. And I think the reason why a lot 2522 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:33.159 of people there's two reasons really because the Abrahamic religions 2523 02:04:33.199 --> 02:04:35.640 are so polarized. You have like a you have good 2524 02:04:35.640 --> 02:04:40.600 guys over here, bad guys over here. Uh And and 2525 02:04:40.640 --> 02:04:43.079 I think so like, well, like we're like a lot 2526 02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:46.399 of like quote unquote white magicians will work with them. 2527 02:04:46.439 --> 02:04:48.960 They'll like summon these angels and then they'll try to 2528 02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:52.000 bind the demon and they'll braide them and a lot 2529 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:55.000 of the conjurations are like kind of curses towards them. 2530 02:04:55.039 --> 02:04:59.079 They're like lashing at them, and uh, you know, I 2531 02:04:59.399 --> 02:05:01.680 I wouldn't go that route to work with these guys 2532 02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:04.840 because when you make enemies with something that's been around 2533 02:05:04.920 --> 02:05:07.680 for god knows how many thousands of years and you 2534 02:05:07.720 --> 02:05:12.680 can't see them, they have a pretty good leverage in 2535 02:05:12.680 --> 02:05:14.600 that situation. You know, they got a little bit of 2536 02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:17.920 a sneak attack. Uh. And then other people, like black magicians, 2537 02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:21.640 a lot of a lot of black magicians, not all, 2538 02:05:22.560 --> 02:05:24.680 you know, the more skilled black magicians are this quality, 2539 02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:27.319 and mostly the younger ones. But they're really polarized or 2540 02:05:27.439 --> 02:05:30.840 they're like where they they like being evil and dark 2541 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:35.600 and rejecting anything holy and and I think those people 2542 02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:38.640 do kind of get consumed by black magic and demons 2543 02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:41.960 and stuff too. But I think as long as you 2544 02:05:42.279 --> 02:05:46.479 don't have any prejudices and you uh, you come from 2545 02:05:46.560 --> 02:05:52.319 a place of authority, but not like superiority, I guess, 2546 02:05:53.159 --> 02:05:56.319 you know, like like as long as it's just like 2547 02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:59.920 dealing with people, you know, like certain people. You you know, 2548 02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:02.920 if you're gonna be hanging out with like a biker gang, 2549 02:06:02.920 --> 02:06:05.760 you're not gonna sit there and try to pump them, 2550 02:06:06.319 --> 02:06:08.479 you know. At the same time, if they're like bad dudes, 2551 02:06:08.520 --> 02:06:10.479 you're not gonna try to pretend to be like more 2552 02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:14.279 evil and brutal than you are, because they're gonna punk you, 2553 02:06:14.279 --> 02:06:15.880 you know what I mean. So it's just kind of 2554 02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:17.800 one of those things where I think, as long as 2555 02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:20.319 you come from a place of respect and you're not 2556 02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:23.479 a polarized person, and you also have a healthy spiritual body, 2557 02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:24.800 I don't think you have anything to worry. 2558 02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:25.520 About, Jacob. 2559 02:06:25.560 --> 02:06:26.479 I've never had a problem. 2560 02:06:26.680 --> 02:06:31.399 Does this remind you of a very similar explanation from 2561 02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:36.319 our boy Anthony, who channels the Reptilians. That's almost exactly 2562 02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:39.840 the same explanation the you know, the relationship that you 2563 02:06:39.840 --> 02:06:44.319 would have with them, right, Yeah. 2564 02:06:44.439 --> 02:06:47.560 I mean it's been quite some time since we had 2565 02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:50.479 him on not gonna lie. I've slept a good bit 2566 02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:53.560 since then, so I don't remember everything he said about channeling. Well, 2567 02:06:53.600 --> 02:06:56.880 he was basically said that you had to be available, right, 2568 02:06:56.920 --> 02:06:58.760 you had to put yourself out there and pretty much 2569 02:06:58.840 --> 02:07:03.600 leave all ego or preconceived notions of whatever behind, and 2570 02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:05.720 you had to be willing to accept whatever they were 2571 02:07:05.880 --> 02:07:06.640 willing to give you. 2572 02:07:06.720 --> 02:07:07.640 I remember him saying that. 2573 02:07:07.600 --> 02:07:11.079 And you couldn't be no bitch either, Remember, like he goes, well, yeah, 2574 02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:13.640 I'm you know, because he was talking about his personality, 2575 02:07:13.640 --> 02:07:16.239 how he has that dominant personality. You have to approach 2576 02:07:16.319 --> 02:07:19.399 them with that, not in like he was saying, not 2577 02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:22.640 in like a punk and punk kind of way, but 2578 02:07:22.800 --> 02:07:25.960 more of like a they know that they can that 2579 02:07:26.039 --> 02:07:29.760 you'll be able to handle whatever they're giving you. Otherwise 2580 02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:31.720 they just won't work with you. So I don't know, 2581 02:07:31.720 --> 02:07:36.399 it just made me remember that conversation with Anthony oh herey. 2582 02:07:37.000 --> 02:07:39.840 So basically, all right, so you're working with if you 2583 02:07:39.880 --> 02:07:45.000 work with demons, they don't necessarily work. How you know, 2584 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:47.159 somebody on the outside looking in would look at it, 2585 02:07:47.199 --> 02:07:51.640 but just out of curiosity, this whole idea around working 2586 02:07:51.880 --> 02:07:55.359 with the demons. Just to put it on, I hate 2587 02:07:55.520 --> 02:08:00.000 bringing the logical into this because it seems spiritual and 2588 02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:02.479 spiritual and logical don't necessarily always go hand in hand. 2589 02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:07.000 But whenever you're working with like a demon, is that 2590 02:08:07.680 --> 02:08:10.359 is that similar to like an eggrigor of a demon? 2591 02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:13.600 Or are we talking about an actual entity that that 2592 02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:16.319 does exist or does it exist as an eggregor? 2593 02:08:16.840 --> 02:08:17.439 Good question? 2594 02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:20.439 Yeah, it is a good question, and it's a you know, 2595 02:08:20.479 --> 02:08:23.079 it's it's loaded and convoluted at the same time. You know, 2596 02:08:23.279 --> 02:08:26.000 it's just one of those things. So like, but is 2597 02:08:26.039 --> 02:08:28.760 it though, Yeah, I mean it's it's an important one, 2598 02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:33.279 you know, Uh, short answer, you know, who really knows. 2599 02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:35.680 I mean we're talking about grimoires or written you know, 2600 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:39.119 five hundred years ago, maybe older. You know, the copies 2601 02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:41.600 that we have were written five hundred years ago. But 2602 02:08:42.000 --> 02:08:47.000 the uh, you know, there are seventy two demons of 2603 02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:49.600 the Gaayisia, just like there's seventy two choirs of angels. 2604 02:08:49.680 --> 02:08:51.520 You know, it's also seventy two angels in the Gaishia. 2605 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:56.520 There's seventy two angles of the zodiac, you know, and 2606 02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:59.520 you know Carl Jung mapped out like seventy two different 2607 02:08:59.560 --> 02:09:02.159 sections of the subconscious. So and when you think of 2608 02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:05.560 like as above, so below, as within, so without, like 2609 02:09:05.880 --> 02:09:09.720 if if they're not real or they didn't start off 2610 02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:13.600 as real, because because someone easily could have channeled like 2611 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:16.039 a feral demon like I was talking about earlier, you know, 2612 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:19.800 something that just happened, and then stabilize those energies figured 2613 02:09:19.840 --> 02:09:22.119 out what they're good at, because you can use like 2614 02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:24.039 magnets and blood and stuff. They kind of see what 2615 02:09:24.079 --> 02:09:26.399 they're polarized for, and then you just kind of channel 2616 02:09:26.399 --> 02:09:28.319 their name and all that stuff and then work with them. 2617 02:09:28.319 --> 02:09:30.479 They'll get smarter and better the more you use them. 2618 02:09:31.079 --> 02:09:33.439 But but if you're looking at it, it's like a 2619 02:09:34.840 --> 02:09:38.119 more like astrotheology. Like I said, there's seventy two angles 2620 02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:40.680 of the zodiac. Angles and angels are kind of closely 2621 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:43.319 as far as words go, and then you have seventy 2622 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:45.840 two poirs of angels, seventy two demons of the Gaatia. 2623 02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:46.760 You know. 2624 02:09:47.560 --> 02:09:49.920 It's one of those things where they easily could be 2625 02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:55.199 an aggrigor of the skyclock and are subconscious and the 2626 02:09:55.279 --> 02:09:59.359 way that our subconscious and is connected with the skyclock, 2627 02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:03.439 you know, right. And they're all ruled by different planets too, 2628 02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:06.439 you know, like like all the kings in the Goetia 2629 02:10:06.600 --> 02:10:09.520 ruled by the Sun, and the dukes are ruled by Venus, 2630 02:10:09.640 --> 02:10:09.800 you know. 2631 02:10:10.479 --> 02:10:14.319 So we are talking about a metaphorical demon, not an actual. 2632 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:16.600 Demon, more of an energetic one though, right. 2633 02:10:17.800 --> 02:10:19.840 That's what in the very beginning I was kind of 2634 02:10:19.880 --> 02:10:22.279 separating like the different kind of like explanations of what 2635 02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:25.439 a demon is you know, because like the first explanation 2636 02:10:25.479 --> 02:10:28.479 I was talking about where it where they kind of 2637 02:10:28.600 --> 02:10:31.560 are spawn out of like chaos and violence and suffering, 2638 02:10:32.039 --> 02:10:35.039 and then they eventually get smarter and they grow and 2639 02:10:35.119 --> 02:10:38.039 they start becoming more tangible, and they kind of eventually 2640 02:10:38.119 --> 02:10:40.319 kind of become take a shape of like a form, 2641 02:10:40.439 --> 02:10:43.680 you know, and they start you know, understanding language because 2642 02:10:43.680 --> 02:10:46.640 they start possessing people, you know, like to me, to me, 2643 02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:47.640 that's a real demon. 2644 02:10:47.960 --> 02:10:49.880 And okay, so that's what my next question was. Now 2645 02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:53.079 you're speaking of it as if it's a real physical demon, so. 2646 02:10:54.319 --> 02:10:57.960 Or it incarnates as a physical thing, but on its own, 2647 02:10:58.039 --> 02:10:58.600 maybe it is. 2648 02:10:59.039 --> 02:11:01.000 So I'm talking about two different things here. So like 2649 02:11:01.520 --> 02:11:03.359 the demon I was just talking about those those kind 2650 02:11:03.399 --> 02:11:07.199 of feral demons. To me, like those are like real demons, 2651 02:11:07.319 --> 02:11:09.840 and they're basically just like a natural byproduct of the 2652 02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:13.600 human experience, you know, and the more you use them, 2653 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:18.000 you can eventually they can eventually start doing better things 2654 02:11:18.039 --> 02:11:20.479 and not just be focused on suffering and stuff. But 2655 02:11:20.960 --> 02:11:23.840 it's really bizarre with those. But with the like the 2656 02:11:23.880 --> 02:11:26.000 demons in the Bible and the demons of the Goatia, 2657 02:11:26.840 --> 02:11:30.439 I think there is more of a metaphorical, and they're 2658 02:11:30.520 --> 02:11:34.520 kind of embodying the uh, Like I said, the aspects 2659 02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:38.000 of the skyclock with the with the human experience, and 2660 02:11:38.119 --> 02:11:42.119 it's kind of like anthropomorphized, you know. But again it's 2661 02:11:42.159 --> 02:11:45.039 hard to say, you know, because short answer, no one knows, 2662 02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:48.479 you know. But what I consider real demons are that 2663 02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:52.760 byproduct of the human experience, they and their whole mission 2664 02:11:53.159 --> 02:11:56.199 other than to feed off suffering and create more suffering, 2665 02:11:56.239 --> 02:12:00.720 to feed on is to be more tangible. But the 2666 02:12:00.800 --> 02:12:03.199 demons of the Croatia are not like that at all, 2667 02:12:04.119 --> 02:12:04.279 you know. 2668 02:12:04.720 --> 02:12:06.439 Okay, so you don't believe Hell is a place. 2669 02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:08.359 You believe that it's like a place you could be 2670 02:12:08.520 --> 02:12:10.640 while on Earth, Like you could go through Hell and 2671 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:11.560 you can go through Heaven. 2672 02:12:11.640 --> 02:12:12.399 You're of that belief? 2673 02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:16.560 Yeah, I mean, Earth is Heaven and Hell all in one. 2674 02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:20.880 Really gotchat, you know, I mean, and it could be simultaneously, 2675 02:12:20.960 --> 02:12:24.239 you know. I mean. And the thing is is, you know, 2676 02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:28.079 suffering is one of the main products of this place, 2677 02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:30.800 like it's one of them. It's one of the main 2678 02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:33.840 functions of this realm, is suffering. And I look at 2679 02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:36.079 it like this, Like one of my first memories as 2680 02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:38.720 a kid, I was like I don't know, like a 2681 02:12:38.840 --> 02:12:41.239 year or so old, I got bit in the finger 2682 02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:43.800 by a gerbil and I was like a little kid, 2683 02:12:43.800 --> 02:12:45.560 a little tiny soft finger you know, took a huge 2684 02:12:45.640 --> 02:12:48.600 chunk out. But I was in an unconscious state at 2685 02:12:48.640 --> 02:12:51.560 that moment, and that suffering of being bit by the 2686 02:12:51.640 --> 02:12:54.920 gerbil woke me up out of that subconscious state, and 2687 02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:56.600 I all of a sudden became aware of who I 2688 02:12:56.720 --> 02:12:59.880 am and my surroundings. I became more conscious and awake. 2689 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:02.359 So if you apply that to the macro level, I 2690 02:13:02.439 --> 02:13:03.680 think that's what this realm is. 2691 02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:07.840 Okay, So all right, just to try and maybe get 2692 02:13:07.880 --> 02:13:10.319 a better idea of it. All right, So a lot 2693 02:13:10.359 --> 02:13:12.760 of people will say, well, the real you comes out 2694 02:13:12.800 --> 02:13:15.800 when you're drunk, right, but what's real? You know what 2695 02:13:15.880 --> 02:13:18.119 I'm saying. Like, I know, Jacob, you hate that question, 2696 02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:20.760 but like, look at it from this perspective. If the 2697 02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:24.239 real you, if the real you comes out when you're drunk, 2698 02:13:24.399 --> 02:13:28.439 So all right, so all other times that you're not drunk, 2699 02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:31.680 that is the fake you. That's not the real you, you. 2700 02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:32.319 Know what I'm saying. 2701 02:13:32.479 --> 02:13:34.640 And so like, is it kind of like this to 2702 02:13:34.760 --> 02:13:36.800 where real in what way? 2703 02:13:37.720 --> 02:13:38.279 You know what I mean? 2704 02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:43.119 Yeah, well, it going through you know what you're talking about, 2705 02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:46.119 Like I think, you know, when you're getting drunk, you're 2706 02:13:46.159 --> 02:13:48.880 shutting down the conscious part of your brand, and then 2707 02:13:48.960 --> 02:13:51.600 the subconscious starts taking over, which is like ninety percent 2708 02:13:51.640 --> 02:13:54.039 of your consciousness but you're unaware of and that's what 2709 02:13:54.159 --> 02:13:56.960 kind of starts speaking out, you know, So right right, 2710 02:13:57.199 --> 02:14:00.439 and like I said, Carl Jung mapped out sety two 2711 02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:04.479 sections of the subconscious mind. There's seventy two demons of 2712 02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:08.239 the Gaaytia, so it'd be pretty easy to relate the 2713 02:14:08.279 --> 02:14:11.479 two together, you know, as being a different aspect of 2714 02:14:12.399 --> 02:14:15.319 the human psyche, the human subconscious and the you know, 2715 02:14:15.399 --> 02:14:20.720 seventy two angles of the zodiac, seventy two choirs of angels, 2716 02:14:21.119 --> 02:14:23.840 you know, so I you know, part of me wonder 2717 02:14:23.960 --> 02:14:27.319 is like if like because for each demon of the Gaastia, 2718 02:14:27.359 --> 02:14:31.079 there's an angel that you call on for that that 2719 02:14:31.399 --> 02:14:32.920 they go hand in hand. You're supposed to call in 2720 02:14:32.960 --> 02:14:35.880 this angel and then buying that demon and blow and 2721 02:14:35.960 --> 02:14:37.880 work with it, you know, which I prefer working with 2722 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:40.520 the angel separate and working with the demon separate. You know, 2723 02:14:40.960 --> 02:14:42.520 to me, that seems like a better way of doing it. 2724 02:14:43.000 --> 02:14:45.239 And then you get you know, instead of seventy two 2725 02:14:45.279 --> 02:14:48.880 spirits you're working with, you know, you get well fifty. 2726 02:14:49.359 --> 02:14:52.960 I feel like it would be a pretty interesting time 2727 02:14:53.039 --> 02:14:55.640 to bring up your demon story to him then, Jacob. 2728 02:14:56.640 --> 02:14:59.159 Maybe I don't really know if that would work out well, 2729 02:14:59.560 --> 02:15:01.960 because he and I have very difference of opinions on 2730 02:15:02.039 --> 02:15:04.560 a lot of things, like, for instance, the seventy two 2731 02:15:04.640 --> 02:15:07.840 and there's an equal per My believes a third of 2732 02:15:08.119 --> 02:15:10.479 the angels were cast out of heaven, not half, So 2733 02:15:10.600 --> 02:15:13.159 there's a two to one ratio on that front. So like, 2734 02:15:14.119 --> 02:15:16.000 I mean, I could, I could tell them the story, 2735 02:15:16.039 --> 02:15:17.479 but I mean, I don't believe that he and I 2736 02:15:17.640 --> 02:15:20.039 will have the same Well no, it's. 2737 02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:23.000 Just no, no, it's just a different perspective, I guess 2738 02:15:23.079 --> 02:15:24.680 of being able to look at it, you know. 2739 02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:27.159 So when I'm talking with that too, I'm talking about 2740 02:15:27.399 --> 02:15:29.760 the Goatia, which is basically like the magic of King 2741 02:15:29.920 --> 02:15:33.359 Solomon right now. But as far as like yeah, the 2742 02:15:34.079 --> 02:15:36.159 third of the angels, you know, and Lucifer and stuff, 2743 02:15:36.199 --> 02:15:40.479 who knows, you know, because because there's like some historians 2744 02:15:40.520 --> 02:15:42.840 to talk about like the fall of Lucifer is actually 2745 02:15:42.880 --> 02:15:46.000 like a misunderstanding or a mistranslation. They're actually talking about 2746 02:15:46.039 --> 02:15:48.760 a king that basically had a falling out with his 2747 02:15:48.920 --> 02:15:52.359 people from just overstepping his power and stuff. 2748 02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:55.039 So sure, and then the fact that. 2749 02:15:55.319 --> 02:15:57.479 The Lucifer is also a title, like I think Jesus 2750 02:15:57.560 --> 02:16:00.600 is referred to the lucifer a couple of translations, and 2751 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:03.920 I think even Moses is referred to as the Lucifer 2752 02:16:04.479 --> 02:16:07.119 in a couple of quotes and maybe even a couple 2753 02:16:07.159 --> 02:16:11.960 of apostles, you know, like so it when you have 2754 02:16:12.319 --> 02:16:15.600 seen it with like Cristos the Christ's that's like the anointed, 2755 02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:18.359 you know, it's one of those things because like the 2756 02:16:18.560 --> 02:16:21.720 people that gave us the Bible gave us a certain 2757 02:16:21.800 --> 02:16:24.359 translation of it, and that translation was kind of rewrote 2758 02:16:24.359 --> 02:16:26.479 a few times, but even the original languages that were 2759 02:16:26.479 --> 02:16:30.520 written in those people made those languages and then made 2760 02:16:30.600 --> 02:16:34.000 the dictionaries to go with those languages, and then rewrote 2761 02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:36.920 those dictionaries over time, and then translated to English and 2762 02:16:36.959 --> 02:16:39.639 then retranslated it over time. So it's hard to say 2763 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:41.959 what the Bible is actually trying to tell us, like 2764 02:16:42.319 --> 02:16:43.600 like are we talking about. 2765 02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:47.120 You know, I respectfully disagree, And my reason for that 2766 02:16:47.360 --> 02:16:50.719 isn't as actually faith based as it would lead on. 2767 02:16:51.600 --> 02:16:55.879 So I'm a big person about context and historical context 2768 02:16:55.959 --> 02:16:58.959 being a very important thing, like, for instance, cristos, the 2769 02:16:59.040 --> 02:16:59.600 Greek word. 2770 02:17:00.079 --> 02:17:02.040 There are some that means to rubb on the eyes. 2771 02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:05.159 There's some translation that means to put on the skin, 2772 02:17:05.319 --> 02:17:07.040 like a topical ointment type thing. 2773 02:17:07.840 --> 02:17:11.479 Anoint meant type of thing. You see what I'm saying. So, 2774 02:17:12.280 --> 02:17:14.600 but at the same time it can means something else, 2775 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:18.159 all right, annoying with oil. 2776 02:17:18.239 --> 02:17:21.719 But then one hundred years and literally in one hundred 2777 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:25.920 a D it's used in a medical reference as a 2778 02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:27.440 topical ointment. 2779 02:17:27.760 --> 02:17:29.920 Is it topical or is it orally ingested? 2780 02:17:30.040 --> 02:17:33.120 So like the phrase drugs, that's just one of the 2781 02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:34.159 ways they administer drugs. 2782 02:17:34.239 --> 02:17:37.440 Yeah, right, but it wasn't used that way whenever at 2783 02:17:37.600 --> 02:17:41.040 zero a D. The language translates a bit. It changes 2784 02:17:41.120 --> 02:17:43.639 with time, and an example of that would be the 2785 02:17:43.719 --> 02:17:47.280 difference between a butt dial and a booty call. Okay, 2786 02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:49.200 now those words should be a neck and neck now 2787 02:17:49.239 --> 02:17:53.280 hear me out now, okay, but booty call dial. Somebody 2788 02:17:53.399 --> 02:17:55.719 reading a text two thousand years from now would look 2789 02:17:55.719 --> 02:17:57.479 at that and mean, oh well, these clearly must be 2790 02:17:57.559 --> 02:17:58.120 in the same thing. 2791 02:17:58.159 --> 02:18:00.319 You could see it here it's like, no, a butt 2792 02:18:00.399 --> 02:18:02.120 dial is not a booty call at all. 2793 02:18:02.520 --> 02:18:05.719 Right, So when we look at these ancient texts, we 2794 02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.319 need to look at the context and the time that 2795 02:18:08.799 --> 02:18:12.360 to which they were written and to what audience. I'm 2796 02:18:12.479 --> 02:18:15.239 very big about that one as well, because like, for instance, 2797 02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.360 there's books that were written to a specific group of people. 2798 02:18:18.680 --> 02:18:22.600 Now we can gain some wisdom from that excerpt, right, 2799 02:18:22.719 --> 02:18:24.760 but understand that we may not need to apply that 2800 02:18:24.840 --> 02:18:26.719 to our lives directly because that was written to a 2801 02:18:26.760 --> 02:18:27.479 specific group. 2802 02:18:27.600 --> 02:18:28.719 But that's it's all for another day. 2803 02:18:29.079 --> 02:18:31.920 But when we talk about the language itself, we can 2804 02:18:32.040 --> 02:18:34.840 now see because we have experts of the Greek language, 2805 02:18:34.840 --> 02:18:37.079 and experts of the Latin language, and experts of the 2806 02:18:37.239 --> 02:18:41.639 Egyptian hieroglyphs, and experts of Sumerian and Cuneiform b and 2807 02:18:41.719 --> 02:18:44.319 they can all now attest to what the Bible's true 2808 02:18:44.360 --> 02:18:45.399 message was supposed to be. 2809 02:18:45.479 --> 02:18:47.239 It's a fascinating study, it really is. 2810 02:18:47.440 --> 02:18:50.079 Okay, So, just before we even go any farther, this 2811 02:18:50.319 --> 02:18:53.959 is not about who's right and who's wrong. We're we're 2812 02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:56.399 talking about different perspectives here. So and I'm not saying 2813 02:18:56.399 --> 02:18:57.360 that that's what you're doing. 2814 02:18:57.239 --> 02:18:59.799 Full disagreement, that's all. No, I'm trying to bait a 2815 02:18:59.840 --> 02:19:00.760 fire by any means. 2816 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:04.079 It's just you. You're you have a certain way that 2817 02:19:04.120 --> 02:19:06.440 you were brought up with certain teachings, and that is truth, 2818 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:09.000 and that is history. And you've and you've done your 2819 02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:12.920 your very best in order to like cement it within 2820 02:19:13.239 --> 02:19:14.000 your own mind. 2821 02:19:14.559 --> 02:19:16.319 There are there are all a time, I tried to 2822 02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:19.120 disprove it by these means. I tried to find ways 2823 02:19:19.520 --> 02:19:22.559 to poke holes and fallacies. Now pause. I also don't 2824 02:19:22.600 --> 02:19:26.120 believe the entire Old Testament is a like verbatim story 2825 02:19:26.159 --> 02:19:29.200 of how things took place. I believe that's like a 2826 02:19:29.360 --> 02:19:32.559 bedtime story version of the actual events that took place. 2827 02:19:32.959 --> 02:19:35.120 Just so we're clear on that. I believe it's like, 2828 02:19:35.799 --> 02:19:37.559 like I've said before, how do you explain sex to 2829 02:19:37.639 --> 02:19:39.840 a child? Okay, you don't tell them the ins and 2830 02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:43.520 outs of it. You tell them, yeah, exactly, You tell 2831 02:19:43.559 --> 02:19:46.559 them a story that they can manage and they can comprehend. 2832 02:19:46.600 --> 02:19:49.200 It's not a lie, it's not a lie, but you 2833 02:19:49.639 --> 02:19:51.600 give it to them in a way that they can process. 2834 02:19:51.760 --> 02:19:54.520 I believe that's the Old Testament in a. 2835 02:19:54.559 --> 02:19:57.959 Rightshell right well, and certain parts that are historical certain 2836 02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:00.559 parts that are like bare bones outlines, and there's reasons 2837 02:20:00.600 --> 02:20:03.479 for that, and I understand why there's controversy surrounding that 2838 02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:05.600 as well, with all respect, I really get it. 2839 02:20:05.680 --> 02:20:06.360 That's all right. 2840 02:20:06.520 --> 02:20:10.200 And conversely, you would have people who are into witchcraft 2841 02:20:10.360 --> 02:20:14.639 or Satanism or magic, and and there's different realms of thought. 2842 02:20:14.760 --> 02:20:17.040 So it's not to say that somebody's right or somebody's wrong. 2843 02:20:17.079 --> 02:20:19.079 These are different philosophies. Look at it that way. 2844 02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:21.600 If you don't apply the Bible, then everything I just 2845 02:20:21.680 --> 02:20:24.760 said doesn't matter. Like this is just my perspective on it, 2846 02:20:24.840 --> 02:20:26.239 you know what I'm saying. So like when he's talking 2847 02:20:26.280 --> 02:20:30.319 about these demons and stuff, I'm listening intently because I've 2848 02:20:30.440 --> 02:20:33.200 never heard about certain things that he's been talking about. 2849 02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:34.159 So like I'm listening. 2850 02:20:34.319 --> 02:20:36.600 But it's not to say that every magician's gonna think 2851 02:20:36.680 --> 02:20:38.760 the same as as Byron does either. 2852 02:20:39.000 --> 02:20:41.079 I don't know, right, you know, I. 2853 02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:44.719 Wasn't even talking about the fallen, you know, like the 2854 02:20:44.840 --> 02:20:48.600 Watchers either, you know, so there's a you know, because 2855 02:20:48.600 --> 02:20:52.239 I'm talking about the magic of King Solomon, you know, 2856 02:20:52.319 --> 02:20:53.159 it's a little different. 2857 02:20:53.559 --> 02:20:55.600 Right now, I do want to ask you about the 2858 02:20:55.680 --> 02:20:58.200 magic of King Solomon in particular, seeing as how you 2859 02:20:58.280 --> 02:21:01.760 know about it. The Freemason reference it a good bit, right. 2860 02:21:01.840 --> 02:21:04.959 The Illuminati referenced it in another way when they combined forces. 2861 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:07.840 They kind of brought in a couple of different esoteric things, 2862 02:21:07.879 --> 02:21:10.959 but the lesser and greater Keys of Solomon seem to 2863 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:15.079 be very very important into them. The Kabala's referenced a 2864 02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:17.399 couple of times. What do you know about all of 2865 02:21:17.479 --> 02:21:20.120 these things and how do they all connect to those orders? 2866 02:21:20.840 --> 02:21:22.920 See, this is actually what I really wanted to talk about. 2867 02:21:23.319 --> 02:21:30.719 Fucks too, you know. So all right, so one thing 2868 02:21:30.799 --> 02:21:33.360 I want to go into, I guess go into Kabala first. 2869 02:21:33.360 --> 02:21:36.719 And this doesn't mean like Abala is evil just because 2870 02:21:36.920 --> 02:21:39.920 they have used it in this manner. But you know, 2871 02:21:40.120 --> 02:21:44.200 the heliocentric model a big maybe not in the beginning 2872 02:21:44.280 --> 02:21:46.680 because it took like five hundred years to really kind 2873 02:21:46.719 --> 02:21:49.719 of craft the heliocentric model, but a lot of it 2874 02:21:49.920 --> 02:21:53.959 was borrowed from Kabbala. What we have today, you know, 2875 02:21:54.120 --> 02:21:55.319 like if you know it's like all the six six 2876 02:21:55.399 --> 02:21:58.200 sixes in the heliocentric model that the Sun is sixty 2877 02:21:58.239 --> 02:22:02.200 six thousand, six hundred miles away from the Earth, the 2878 02:22:02.719 --> 02:22:08.840 angle is sixty six point six degrees. The formula for 2879 02:22:08.959 --> 02:22:12.879 curvature is eight inches per mile square. Eight inches just 2880 02:22:12.959 --> 02:22:15.200 happens to be point sixty sixty six of a foot. 2881 02:22:16.360 --> 02:22:19.520 Even even NASA, if you spell out the whole word, 2882 02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:21.920 adds up to six hundred and sixty six. 2883 02:22:22.879 --> 02:22:25.680 Uh, I've never heard that. I just checked that. 2884 02:22:25.799 --> 02:22:28.479 When the Sun is ninety three million miles away from 2885 02:22:28.520 --> 02:22:31.719 the Sun, the Earth is that far away. Oh excuse me, Yeah, 2886 02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:34.680 the Earth is no ath to your point, it's nine 2887 02:22:34.760 --> 02:22:36.040 three point six y nine. 2888 02:22:36.159 --> 02:22:40.239 So I mean, shit, no, I those are all divisibles 2889 02:22:40.280 --> 02:22:41.200 of three and six dude. 2890 02:22:41.280 --> 02:22:43.840 Yeah, correct, I met the I met the velocity. I 2891 02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:47.840 met the orbital velocity the Earth going around. Sorry, yeah, yea, 2892 02:22:48.079 --> 02:22:49.559 that the brain fart. So I'm glad you caught me. 2893 02:22:49.639 --> 02:22:51.760 So people, so I didn't lose my street credit with 2894 02:22:51.799 --> 02:22:54.719 the flat earther is listening, you know, no doubt bro. 2895 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:55.639 So. 2896 02:22:55.799 --> 02:22:58.479 Also, even the concept of the sphere, you know, comes 2897 02:22:58.520 --> 02:23:00.799 from the spheres of the Kabala. The Earth is in 2898 02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:03.280 the Sun, is in the center of the tree of life, 2899 02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:06.760 you know. And you know, like I said what I 2900 02:23:06.799 --> 02:23:08.840 said earlier, how six sixty six is the number of 2901 02:23:08.879 --> 02:23:13.719 the Sun, like in planetary magic that the magic square 2902 02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:16.280 for the Sun adds up to six hundred and sixty six, 2903 02:23:17.319 --> 02:23:20.040 and it's six by six, six numbers going this way, 2904 02:23:20.120 --> 02:23:22.600 six numbers going this way. Now here's an interesting thing. 2905 02:23:22.719 --> 02:23:24.159 This is the one thing that I haven't heard a 2906 02:23:24.200 --> 02:23:26.120 lot of truther Is go into, and I was really 2907 02:23:26.159 --> 02:23:30.479 hoping to get into. It was when you cross the abyss, 2908 02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:34.959 like you pass, you go through at and past the Abyss. 2909 02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:37.319 It's pretty much the only part of the tree of 2910 02:23:37.440 --> 02:23:39.840 life that really has like a warning to it that 2911 02:23:39.959 --> 02:23:42.920 if you don't have your ego and check, you'll pretty 2912 02:23:43.000 --> 02:23:47.200 much destroy yourself. You'll be like kind of like devoured 2913 02:23:47.600 --> 02:23:50.000 by these energies and just be like lost in the abyss. 2914 02:23:50.479 --> 02:23:52.559 If you don't have, if you don't like shed your 2915 02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:55.959 ego before you you cross the abyss. Now space is 2916 02:23:56.040 --> 02:23:59.120 the abyss. Basically, it's basically kind of what they created 2917 02:23:59.360 --> 02:24:02.120 when they came out the heliocentric model. And so when 2918 02:24:02.159 --> 02:24:04.840 you look at like the heliocentric model was to kind 2919 02:24:04.879 --> 02:24:13.360 of create this materialistic, atheistic physical mindset, you know, so 2920 02:24:13.520 --> 02:24:17.280 basically it's basically trapped most of humanity, not all, but 2921 02:24:17.479 --> 02:24:20.319 a lot of humanity is trapped in this egoic mindset 2922 02:24:20.479 --> 02:24:23.639 because of the mindless materialism that we're in, and a 2923 02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:26.239 big part of that is because of like evolution and 2924 02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:30.200 the heliocentric model and so like. Like I said, the 2925 02:24:30.799 --> 02:24:33.719 only part of the treo lot that really comes with 2926 02:24:34.399 --> 02:24:38.520 a lot of warning is crossing the abyss because you 2927 02:24:38.639 --> 02:24:40.639 have to shed your ego before you do it. Where 2928 02:24:40.639 --> 02:24:43.440 we're lost in the abyss right now, but we're also 2929 02:24:43.520 --> 02:24:45.079 trapped in the ego at the same time. It's a 2930 02:24:45.159 --> 02:24:47.639 really clever way of kind of cursing humanity and a 2931 02:24:47.719 --> 02:24:50.200 lot of Truthers and flatter because I've never heard any 2932 02:24:50.200 --> 02:24:51.520 of them mention it, and they it just kind of 2933 02:24:51.559 --> 02:24:54.760 went over their head. And there's probably someone out there 2934 02:24:54.760 --> 02:24:56.520 who's already talked about this. I don't know. 2935 02:24:57.200 --> 02:25:00.239 But well, let me ask you this. As as far 2936 02:25:00.280 --> 02:25:02.239 as the Tree of life, I know that that is 2937 02:25:02.319 --> 02:25:08.639 a a cabbalistic thing, right, Well, is that also related 2938 02:25:08.719 --> 02:25:12.200 to yid yoursel within Norse mythology? Is that just a 2939 02:25:12.239 --> 02:25:13.120 different kind of story. 2940 02:25:14.479 --> 02:25:17.959 Yeah, I think a lot of these there's there's a 2941 02:25:18.840 --> 02:25:21.120 lot of these. Are the are the same, It's indest 2942 02:25:21.280 --> 02:25:22.840 is a little bit different because the Earth is in 2943 02:25:22.920 --> 02:25:28.319 the center, and then some of the realms on idrisill 2944 02:25:28.680 --> 02:25:30.840 Uh are kind of more dark and negative, like you 2945 02:25:30.879 --> 02:25:32.959 have the dark elves and machine elves and stuff like that, 2946 02:25:33.719 --> 02:25:35.879 and the ice giants and stuff, and others are like 2947 02:25:36.000 --> 02:25:39.000 the light elves and fairies and you know Alice guard 2948 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:44.280 and you know. So it's not an apples to apples comparison, 2949 02:25:44.479 --> 02:25:49.440 but it's uh. But you know, there, there's it's it's 2950 02:25:49.520 --> 02:25:53.200 it's similar enough to where yeah, I think, so okay, 2951 02:25:53.399 --> 02:25:57.159 okay personally, so somebody, some of the armchair cults would 2952 02:25:57.159 --> 02:25:59.479 probably argue with me on that, but whatever, they can 2953 02:25:59.520 --> 02:26:01.399 eat a dick et a dick bitch. 2954 02:26:02.559 --> 02:26:08.239 So the the idea around the you're saying from your 2955 02:26:08.319 --> 02:26:11.479 perspective as to why you you're a flat earther, right. 2956 02:26:12.799 --> 02:26:16.120 I prefer geocentrist planar form geocentrist, because when you say 2957 02:26:16.120 --> 02:26:18.600 the word flatter Earth, they just shishka Bob's people's brains 2958 02:26:18.639 --> 02:26:19.600 and their heads explode. 2959 02:26:20.239 --> 02:26:20.399 Right. 2960 02:26:20.520 --> 02:26:22.120 Yeah, it's a trigger word these days. 2961 02:26:22.440 --> 02:26:25.239 Yeah, and it probably comes with that egoic sense of 2962 02:26:25.600 --> 02:26:27.760 what I was talking about earlier, being lost in the 2963 02:26:27.840 --> 02:26:29.120 abyss and trapped in your ego. 2964 02:26:29.520 --> 02:26:33.879 So you're a geocentrist as opposed to a heliocentrist. Let's 2965 02:26:33.920 --> 02:26:36.319 just put it in those terms. So you're saying that 2966 02:26:37.159 --> 02:26:42.000 according to NASA and their their dimensions of Earth away 2967 02:26:42.120 --> 02:26:45.719 from certain stars and certain planets and stuff like that. It, 2968 02:26:46.239 --> 02:26:49.360 I mean, it couldn't just be a coincidence that there's 2969 02:26:49.399 --> 02:26:50.959 a lot of six six to six and a lot 2970 02:26:51.000 --> 02:26:54.639 of like satanic shit that's involved in the uh, you know, 2971 02:26:54.840 --> 02:26:56.840 the distance away from all these places. 2972 02:26:57.680 --> 02:27:00.520 Yeah, you know, some flatters even associated to here leocentric 2973 02:27:00.600 --> 02:27:02.760 model with the Antichrist because of all the six six 2974 02:27:02.879 --> 02:27:06.920 sixes and how it's taken so many people away from 2975 02:27:07.000 --> 02:27:09.680 the Creator, and even the people that believe in the 2976 02:27:09.760 --> 02:27:12.360 Creator are still kind of lost in the abyss. I 2977 02:27:12.440 --> 02:27:14.719 still don't know, you know, they don't have like a 2978 02:27:14.840 --> 02:27:16.479 real connection with the Creator, you know. 2979 02:27:16.760 --> 02:27:21.120 So I guess my idea behind all of that six 2980 02:27:21.239 --> 02:27:25.399 six six numerology, so to say, would be that, you know, 2981 02:27:25.520 --> 02:27:28.079 six six to six, it's not a crazy fraction. It's 2982 02:27:28.120 --> 02:27:28.719 two thirds. 2983 02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:29.200 You know. 2984 02:27:29.280 --> 02:27:33.600 If we're talking about you know, nine twenty sevens well, 2985 02:27:33.639 --> 02:27:36.440 I guess that would be one third. But like, what 2986 02:27:36.600 --> 02:27:38.639 are you doing if we're talking about some kind of 2987 02:27:39.200 --> 02:27:41.159 like crazy if we're talking about like some kind of 2988 02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:44.559 like crazy fraction or whatever. It would be a little 2989 02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:47.319 bit more obvious that, you know, do you know what 2990 02:27:47.399 --> 02:27:49.719 I'm saying, Like it just seems like two thirds is 2991 02:27:49.760 --> 02:27:54.680 a pretty easy fraction that would be commonly seen within 2992 02:27:54.840 --> 02:27:56.280 the realm of reality. 2993 02:27:56.399 --> 02:27:59.920 There almost be a connection there with the way Jacob's 2994 02:28:00.040 --> 02:28:02.680 talking about with you know, a third of the angels falling, 2995 02:28:02.719 --> 02:28:05.159 because that would leave six, you know about sixx point 2996 02:28:05.239 --> 02:28:07.399 sixty six six left point three three three would have 2997 02:28:07.440 --> 02:28:08.000 came down here. 2998 02:28:08.040 --> 02:28:09.440 You know, that's true. 2999 02:28:09.719 --> 02:28:12.000 So there there there could be a connection there too, 3000 02:28:12.239 --> 02:28:15.479 you know. I mean it's hard to say, you know, 3001 02:28:17.120 --> 02:28:20.680 you know it's this realms are real mindful. There's a 3002 02:28:20.719 --> 02:28:23.680 reason why, you know, you know, like some cultures would 3003 02:28:23.680 --> 02:28:26.040 call it maya this the earth, if you know, and 3004 02:28:26.120 --> 02:28:29.280 it means illusion. You know, the matrix is just one 3005 02:28:29.319 --> 02:28:30.840 big mindfulg you know. That's just how it is. 3006 02:28:31.079 --> 02:28:33.200 I actually, it's almost keep in mind, the numbers mean 3007 02:28:33.280 --> 02:28:36.200 different things for different cultures. Right in the Chinese culture, 3008 02:28:36.319 --> 02:28:39.959 four is the unlucky number, not six. Right in the 3009 02:28:40.559 --> 02:28:45.200 western side of things, the European Mesopotamian area, that the 3010 02:28:45.319 --> 02:28:47.319 number six. It seems to be like the number of 3011 02:28:47.639 --> 02:28:49.479 X or y or z or something that could be 3012 02:28:49.680 --> 02:28:52.959 this or could be that. I remember hearing certain people 3013 02:28:53.079 --> 02:28:55.600 go on these pastors would go on these rants about 3014 02:28:55.600 --> 02:28:58.360 how six was the number of the earth, that was 3015 02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:02.600 the number of Satan, because Satan and has a dominance. 3016 02:29:02.120 --> 02:29:04.319 Over the earth right now. Seven is the number of gods, 3017 02:29:04.399 --> 02:29:06.760 the number of holiness, and all these things. I don't 3018 02:29:06.840 --> 02:29:07.760 believe any of these. 3019 02:29:07.639 --> 02:29:11.239 Gentlemen actually did any kind of research into numerology, although 3020 02:29:11.319 --> 02:29:14.079 they may have found like a kernel of truth somewhere 3021 02:29:14.159 --> 02:29:15.319 that they decide to like mention. 3022 02:29:16.040 --> 02:29:20.920 It's like how many examples are there that you're pulling from? 3023 02:29:21.000 --> 02:29:21.200 You know. 3024 02:29:21.639 --> 02:29:23.040 You just have to kind of keep it in a 3025 02:29:23.120 --> 02:29:25.200 mental post it in your brain, you know, and you 3026 02:29:25.319 --> 02:29:26.760 have to kind of eat the fruit and throw at 3027 02:29:26.799 --> 02:29:28.280 the peel when it comes to a lot of this stuff. 3028 02:29:28.639 --> 02:29:30.120 But you still have to be kind of flexible and 3029 02:29:30.159 --> 02:29:33.280 open minded because more information might come later, you know, Yeah, 3030 02:29:33.479 --> 02:29:35.360 especially when you're on the right path. You know, more 3031 02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:38.840 information will just just fall right on your lap when 3032 02:29:38.840 --> 02:29:39.879 you're on the right path, you know. 3033 02:29:40.040 --> 02:29:41.760 So it's it attracts itself to you. 3034 02:29:42.040 --> 02:29:45.040 You know, it's a real mind fuck, you know, and 3035 02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:48.680 a lot of the heliocentric model came from the Catholic Church, 3036 02:29:49.000 --> 02:29:51.200 you know, which is really weird. And even the Big 3037 02:29:51.239 --> 02:29:54.120 Bang theory came from a Catholic priests, a Jesuit Catholic priests. 3038 02:29:54.440 --> 02:29:57.479 So many people don't know that. It's like they're like, oh, 3039 02:29:57.559 --> 02:29:59.440 I've never met a Christian that believes in the Big Bang. 3040 02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:02.399 I'm like, first of all, right here, secondly a priest 3041 02:30:02.520 --> 02:30:03.920 came up with it, but all right. 3042 02:30:04.360 --> 02:30:05.040 Yeah, totally. 3043 02:30:05.680 --> 02:30:06.479 I don't understand. 3044 02:30:07.280 --> 02:30:11.159 The thing is, only only some Christians, you know, don't 3045 02:30:11.200 --> 02:30:13.440 believe in the current model. Only some of them, you know, 3046 02:30:13.600 --> 02:30:15.399 like very few Christians, you know think the Earth is 3047 02:30:15.440 --> 02:30:17.799 like six thousand years old. But no one really knows 3048 02:30:17.840 --> 02:30:19.840 how old this place is, how long we've been here. 3049 02:30:19.879 --> 02:30:21.520 You know, you can't just find a bone in the 3050 02:30:21.559 --> 02:30:24.959 dirt and be like, oh, yeod, it's you know, eleven 3051 02:30:25.000 --> 02:30:27.360 million years old. You know, they don't know, they don't 3052 02:30:27.399 --> 02:30:29.879 know shit, you know, like, but but we want to know, 3053 02:30:30.120 --> 02:30:32.879 you know. And and science has this real arrogance to 3054 02:30:32.959 --> 02:30:35.799 them where they don't like unanswered questions and they're right, 3055 02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:38.559 and they'll attack you for it until they're proven wrong 3056 02:30:38.639 --> 02:30:40.760 by enough people. To where they have to fucking change 3057 02:30:40.760 --> 02:30:41.200 their theory. 3058 02:30:42.319 --> 02:30:45.200 So what is your take on archaeology, especially when we 3059 02:30:45.319 --> 02:30:49.200 talk about the realms of ancient magic, right because a 3060 02:30:49.280 --> 02:30:53.479 lot of these things were discovered from old manuscripts, old books, 3061 02:30:53.559 --> 02:30:58.239 old talismans, things like that, So archaeologists and anthropologists had 3062 02:30:58.239 --> 02:31:00.200 to be the ones to decipher that and decode It's 3063 02:31:00.319 --> 02:31:02.440 that we could even have this discussion right now. 3064 02:31:03.040 --> 02:31:06.319 So where do you believe the archaeology fallacies start. 3065 02:31:07.079 --> 02:31:11.840 Well, I think it starts with Knaea farm and Egyptian 3066 02:31:11.879 --> 02:31:15.280 hieroglyphics and some of the South American architecture. 3067 02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:17.520 So the fallacies start immediately. 3068 02:31:19.200 --> 02:31:21.239 I wouldn't say that a lot of these sites. A 3069 02:31:21.280 --> 02:31:23.799 lot of these sites were built in the eighteen hundreds 3070 02:31:23.920 --> 02:31:26.200 early nineteen hundreds, so when. 3071 02:31:26.120 --> 02:31:29.159 The archaeologists claimed that the so we're talking like when 3072 02:31:29.200 --> 02:31:31.879 we say ancient magic, you're talking about like five hundred 3073 02:31:31.920 --> 02:31:32.600 years ago ancient. 3074 02:31:34.159 --> 02:31:36.520 Yeah. Well, I like a lot of those manuscripts, like 3075 02:31:36.600 --> 02:31:39.600 the lesser ks All stuff, allegedly it's like five hundred 3076 02:31:39.680 --> 02:31:42.040 years old, but it could be older. But you know, 3077 02:31:42.840 --> 02:31:46.879 it's hard to say, you know, because I mean the 3078 02:31:47.000 --> 02:31:51.799 Catholic Church, the Vatican is it like, are responsible for 3079 02:31:53.319 --> 02:31:57.000 a humble number is ninety five percent of our ancient documents, 3080 02:31:57.840 --> 02:32:01.200 but scholars say that it's over ninety nine percent. 3081 02:32:02.200 --> 02:32:06.079 When you say our do you mean humanities the Western world? 3082 02:32:06.559 --> 02:32:09.559 Yeah, humanities, ancient knowledge, Yeah, it comes from straight straight 3083 02:32:09.559 --> 02:32:10.200 from the Vatican. 3084 02:32:10.479 --> 02:32:12.719 They created about the Vedix, though, do you believe they 3085 02:32:13.159 --> 02:32:15.079 account for like a history of at least that side 3086 02:32:15.079 --> 02:32:17.600 of the world or I also fairy tales. 3087 02:32:17.719 --> 02:32:19.280 I don't think it's as old as you would think, 3088 02:32:20.440 --> 02:32:23.399 because the British has been in there late seventeen hundreds 3089 02:32:23.879 --> 02:32:27.079 early eighteen Hunters wiped a lot of people out, took 3090 02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:28.840 all their books, all their doctrines, gave them the whole 3091 02:32:28.840 --> 02:32:30.840 new ones in the Middle East. The Middle East was 3092 02:32:30.840 --> 02:32:32.879 completely empty in the eighteen Hunters. 3093 02:32:32.920 --> 02:32:33.479 No one was there. 3094 02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:39.399 What people called Jerusalem now it wasn't even called Palestine. 3095 02:32:40.479 --> 02:32:43.000 Like a bunch a bunch of like the British and 3096 02:32:43.280 --> 02:32:46.040 the Zionists and everything. They were trying to figure out 3097 02:32:46.079 --> 02:32:48.159 where are we going to put Palestine and then they 3098 02:32:48.239 --> 02:32:53.000 came up with what we call Palace. What's Palestine now Israel, 3099 02:32:53.360 --> 02:32:55.479 you know, But but before that it was Al Kutz, 3100 02:32:55.879 --> 02:32:58.079 but only like a thousand people lived there. In Jerusalem, 3101 02:32:58.120 --> 02:32:59.959 only like a thousand people live there. It's completely empty 3102 02:33:00.079 --> 02:33:02.799 in like eighteen sixty completely empty. No one lived there. 3103 02:33:03.479 --> 02:33:07.600 Bag Dag, which what we call Babylon, completely empty in 3104 02:33:07.719 --> 02:33:10.360 the eighteen hundreds, completely empty, not a person there. 3105 02:33:10.799 --> 02:33:15.000 So hold on the temple of Nebukonezer that Saddam Hussein 3106 02:33:15.120 --> 02:33:17.959 had rebuilt and found all the old artifacts and all 3107 02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:18.559 of these things. 3108 02:33:18.920 --> 02:33:19.959 That's complete horseshit. 3109 02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:26.760 Yeah wow, absolutely, yeah, yeah. So, And this is a 3110 02:33:26.799 --> 02:33:28.920 real issue because you guys are probably familiar with like 3111 02:33:28.959 --> 02:33:29.840 the whole Tartaria thing. 3112 02:33:30.319 --> 02:33:32.760 A lot of the whole lot were we have tried 3113 02:33:32.840 --> 02:33:35.799 to have someone come on to go into depth about 3114 02:33:35.840 --> 02:33:39.959 what Tartaria is and isn't because there is historical precedence 3115 02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:42.879 because the Mongols were also called the Tartars and what 3116 02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:45.360 we now call Mongolia, and a lot of northern China 3117 02:33:45.399 --> 02:33:48.120 and a lot of that area of Russia was called Tartaria. 3118 02:33:48.479 --> 02:33:51.440 But somehow a mud flood gets mixed into this and 3119 02:33:51.559 --> 02:33:54.639 somehow that's also Tartaria. Then I hear things about these 3120 02:33:54.680 --> 02:33:59.360 ancient buildings that were allegedly built two hundred years ago ago, 3121 02:33:59.520 --> 02:34:02.360 but some saying that they're actually thirty thousand years old, 3122 02:34:02.399 --> 02:34:04.040 and somehow they survived the mud flood. 3123 02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:07.360 I don't we need to have that conversation, but nobody 3124 02:34:07.440 --> 02:34:08.280 has came on to have it. 3125 02:34:08.399 --> 02:34:11.120 We understand the basic concept behind tartaria, but we haven't 3126 02:34:11.120 --> 02:34:12.479 had somebody describe it in detail. 3127 02:34:12.680 --> 02:34:16.079 So all of this stuff, what really started it started 3128 02:34:16.159 --> 02:34:20.639 it was new chronology and what happened there was at 3129 02:34:20.680 --> 02:34:25.440 the fall of the Soviet Empire. They had been brainwashed 3130 02:34:25.479 --> 02:34:28.159 so hard and given a false history to the point 3131 02:34:28.239 --> 02:34:31.520 where they're like, we have no idea what's real. Let's 3132 02:34:32.399 --> 02:34:36.040 apply what I don't know what the Russian term for 3133 02:34:36.120 --> 02:34:38.760 it is, but it translates into Russian critical thinking. Let's 3134 02:34:38.760 --> 02:34:43.559 apply Russian critical thinking to our history and see what 3135 02:34:43.760 --> 02:34:45.600 we can prove for a fact. And it really wasn't 3136 02:34:45.600 --> 02:34:47.879 a lot. This is where a new chronology comes from, 3137 02:34:48.040 --> 02:34:50.440 and a lot of it comes from like anatolely Famenco. 3138 02:34:50.799 --> 02:34:53.959 But he's not just one person, He's a thousand people, 3139 02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:58.000 and they were going over all our historical documents everything 3140 02:34:58.079 --> 02:35:01.600 they could. He was a mathematician and he was applying 3141 02:35:01.680 --> 02:35:04.879 like the skyclock and eclipses because that was something that 3142 02:35:05.159 --> 02:35:07.159 was kind of reliable. It's like you know, if you 3143 02:35:07.280 --> 02:35:10.120 if you remember in the Bible, Jesus was crucified to 3144 02:35:10.280 --> 02:35:12.799 a certain eclipse, and he did the math and he 3145 02:35:12.799 --> 02:35:15.959 found out that Jesus was actually crucified like around like 3146 02:35:16.120 --> 02:35:22.159 ten thirty five. And so when I first kind of 3147 02:35:22.239 --> 02:35:26.280 got my my penis wet on, the whole New Chronology 3148 02:35:26.360 --> 02:35:30.639 thing was believe it or not, odd, it's odd. It 3149 02:35:30.719 --> 02:35:34.200 was a Christian guy made a documentary called Ancient Aliens 3150 02:35:34.239 --> 02:35:39.040 Debunked back in like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and most 3151 02:35:39.159 --> 02:35:42.040 debunking documentaries are really stupid. It's all just like straw 3152 02:35:42.159 --> 02:35:45.239 manning and gas lighting, and you know, like you just 3153 02:35:45.319 --> 02:35:47.639 watched like a nine to eleven debunking video and it's 3154 02:35:47.719 --> 02:35:49.719 like literally the most god awful piece of trash will 3155 02:35:49.719 --> 02:35:50.120 ever see. 3156 02:35:50.879 --> 02:35:53.639 And hey, now that's what was my red pill moment. 3157 02:35:53.719 --> 02:35:56.639 Don't be talking shit about those old school YouTube. 3158 02:35:56.319 --> 02:35:59.760 Night Oh no, no, I'm talking about nine to eleven 3159 02:35:59.840 --> 02:36:01.639 d bunking documentaries. 3160 02:36:01.760 --> 02:36:03.319 Oh the ones talking about the. 3161 02:36:03.360 --> 02:36:06.159 One yeah, like the pancake theory and stuff. 3162 02:36:08.440 --> 02:36:10.719 That really was the first video that did it for me. 3163 02:36:10.799 --> 02:36:13.760 I was a freshman at high school and someone like said, Joe, 3164 02:36:14.040 --> 02:36:16.760 check this out and looking back on it, that was 3165 02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:21.600 such dog shit animation. The video quality was asked, the 3166 02:36:21.719 --> 02:36:24.239 audio sounded like he was talking through a fucking tube. 3167 02:36:24.559 --> 02:36:26.360 But Bro, that was the moment, you know what. 3168 02:36:26.399 --> 02:36:28.079 I mean, and I know exactly Tom about there was 3169 02:36:28.120 --> 02:36:30.799 the people that came on just to shit all over it. 3170 02:36:30.879 --> 02:36:33.040 When it's like, bro, have you done any of the 3171 02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:35.200 math he just talked about that shit made way too 3172 02:36:35.280 --> 02:36:35.799 much sense. 3173 02:36:36.159 --> 02:36:39.600 Yeah, totally, So ancient aniens debunked. And it wasn't even 3174 02:36:39.680 --> 02:36:42.559 so much that he's debunking ancient aliens and stuff, but 3175 02:36:42.760 --> 02:36:47.239 he showed like realistically, like how this stuff was done. 3176 02:36:47.559 --> 02:36:50.760 Like he showed uh videos in like the nineties of 3177 02:36:51.040 --> 02:36:54.120 like you know these Arabs like making these cement blocks 3178 02:36:54.520 --> 02:36:58.200 to uh to to build some of these newer monuments 3179 02:36:58.239 --> 02:37:00.799 they have in Egypt and stuff, and they've actually X 3180 02:37:00.879 --> 02:37:05.120 rayed blocks from the Great Pyramids and they are a geopolymer. 3181 02:37:05.200 --> 02:37:08.319 Some men. There's stuff of filling they have like like 3182 02:37:08.520 --> 02:37:11.040 grass and stuff on the inside there's stuffed with like fillings. 3183 02:37:11.079 --> 02:37:15.479 So they were But another good one they had in 3184 02:37:15.520 --> 02:37:18.120 this documentary was this guy. He was a construction worker 3185 02:37:18.680 --> 02:37:21.000 and he was building these giant mega liths in his 3186 02:37:21.120 --> 02:37:25.280 backyard all by himself, like seventeen thousand pound blocks, twenty 3187 02:37:25.319 --> 02:37:28.319 thousand pound blocks. He's moving completely by himself. And he 3188 02:37:28.360 --> 02:37:30.399 would do it was just like a pebble. He'd put 3189 02:37:30.399 --> 02:37:32.840 a pebble like right on the center of gravity and 3190 02:37:32.920 --> 02:37:34.719 he would just scoot the block over where he goes. 3191 02:37:35.000 --> 02:37:36.000 And he was British, dudent. 3192 02:37:37.399 --> 02:37:39.200 This guy wasn't British, he was American. But I'm sure 3193 02:37:39.239 --> 02:37:40.760 other people are doing it now, because i mean this 3194 02:37:40.840 --> 02:37:43.360 is ten years ago, ten eleven years ago, you know. Yeah, 3195 02:37:43.440 --> 02:37:46.840 and this guy like moved a whole barn by himself. 3196 02:37:47.120 --> 02:37:49.520 He lifted it up and moved it by himself, just 3197 02:37:49.639 --> 02:37:52.760 one man. And he was building, you know. And and 3198 02:37:52.840 --> 02:37:57.760 this documentary also showed videos of the guy building Cora 3199 02:37:57.879 --> 02:37:59.879 Clett Castle basically using the same techniques. 3200 02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:02.440 I'm glad you brought up Coral castle now. 3201 02:38:02.600 --> 02:38:05.879 He claimed that he was using electro magnetism to not 3202 02:38:06.040 --> 02:38:09.719 only move the coral but cut them, shape them everything. 3203 02:38:10.159 --> 02:38:13.040 He said that somehow that was the secret of the Egyptians, right, 3204 02:38:13.440 --> 02:38:15.879 But then I've also seen this. It was a British too, 3205 02:38:15.920 --> 02:38:17.879 But you're right, I seen an American guy do it too. 3206 02:38:17.959 --> 02:38:22.079 But basically He had like a whole situation with two 3207 02:38:22.159 --> 02:38:25.239 by fours just around this massive boulder that he claimed 3208 02:38:25.280 --> 02:38:28.200 to have cut by very simple tool means, and he 3209 02:38:28.360 --> 02:38:31.120 was moving it. He was rolling it like ten yards 3210 02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:34.639 with like just one hand because of his knowledge of 3211 02:38:34.760 --> 02:38:37.079 physics and how to get an object in motion will 3212 02:38:37.079 --> 02:38:39.639 stay in motion the whole nine yards. Yeah, and so 3213 02:38:39.719 --> 02:38:42.520 when these people talk about was alien technology, it's like, no, 3214 02:38:42.680 --> 02:38:44.959 it may be lost technology, but it doesn't mean that 3215 02:38:45.040 --> 02:38:48.040 it was beyond human scope. Like humans have done really 3216 02:38:48.200 --> 02:38:50.719 badass shit, Like I don't know if you know what 3217 02:38:50.799 --> 02:38:51.799 I mean, I get it. 3218 02:38:52.159 --> 02:38:55.440 Yeah, yeah, And I mean they're basically just like doing 3219 02:38:55.639 --> 02:38:58.879 judo where they're just like manipulating that apex you know 3220 02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:01.879 that center point, Yeah, of gravity, you know, if you 3221 02:39:01.920 --> 02:39:04.520 want to call it gravity. But yeah, and so then 3222 02:39:04.639 --> 02:39:07.760 so then like right around the same time, like twenty thirteen, 3223 02:39:07.840 --> 02:39:11.639 twenty fourteen, Cliff High did a video or an interview 3224 02:39:11.680 --> 02:39:15.159 where he's talking about new chronology. So like, so this 3225 02:39:15.239 --> 02:39:18.239 is like right after I saw ancient aliens debunked and 3226 02:39:18.399 --> 02:39:21.360 I saw these like legitimate techniques that you could use 3227 02:39:21.440 --> 02:39:24.040 to build this stuff today, and then I saw Cliff 3228 02:39:24.120 --> 02:39:27.319 High talking about new chronology and Anatoli Famenco and then 3229 02:39:27.360 --> 02:39:29.360 it really just clicked and like the first people that 3230 02:39:29.440 --> 02:39:33.040 were talking about this stuff were debunking these ancient sites 3231 02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:36.959 and even like in Iraq and stuff, you know how 3232 02:39:37.000 --> 02:39:39.360 like Isis was blowing up these structures and smashing him 3233 02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:41.559 with sledgehammers. Yeah, do you know did you watch any 3234 02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:44.159 of those videos when they smash them with sledgehammers. They're 3235 02:39:44.239 --> 02:39:48.520 made out of reinf on the inside, it's reinforced rubar rebar, 3236 02:39:49.600 --> 02:39:54.159 which means those statues had been made after like eighteen 3237 02:39:54.239 --> 02:39:56.280 fifty eighteen sixty. You're probably made eighteen eighty. 3238 02:39:56.799 --> 02:39:59.559 So the story behind that, and actually we will be 3239 02:39:59.639 --> 02:40:02.760 doing an episode on this very soon. Did y'all know 3240 02:40:03.040 --> 02:40:06.559 that the owners of Hobby Lobby got in some serious 3241 02:40:06.639 --> 02:40:10.440 trouble recently because they lobby Well, the owners of Hobby 3242 02:40:10.520 --> 02:40:13.479 Lobby are devout Christians, right, it's a big, big deal. 3243 02:40:13.559 --> 02:40:14.520 It's a Christian known company. 3244 02:40:14.719 --> 02:40:17.760 My logical supplies from there. Whenever I eat candles and 3245 02:40:17.840 --> 02:40:19.159 boxes or anything. 3246 02:40:18.879 --> 02:40:22.159 I go to Holly On man, fucking right, dude. So 3247 02:40:22.360 --> 02:40:23.159 so here's the deal. 3248 02:40:23.600 --> 02:40:26.520 They are in some hot water right now because apparently 3249 02:40:27.280 --> 02:40:32.000 they through a channel which we're going to go into 3250 02:40:32.520 --> 02:40:38.799 helped fund isis because they were buying black market artifacts 3251 02:40:38.920 --> 02:40:43.319 from the temple, from the castle that Saddam Hussein had built. 3252 02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:45.799 They were buying them on the black market. They paid 3253 02:40:45.879 --> 02:40:49.440 like two million dollars for a shard of the original 3254 02:40:49.520 --> 02:40:51.719 story of the Epic of Gilgamesh and they put it 3255 02:40:51.799 --> 02:40:55.200 on display in the Museum of the Holy Bible. Right, 3256 02:40:56.000 --> 02:40:58.799 So when the time came in, Iraq kind of got 3257 02:40:59.000 --> 02:41:03.559 well high rego. We got reses at least beat them down. 3258 02:41:03.479 --> 02:41:05.000 To where they weren't really a threat anymore. 3259 02:41:05.479 --> 02:41:08.000 Iraq started to try to put together that museum again, 3260 02:41:08.079 --> 02:41:11.159 but this time they put out fake artifacts because they 3261 02:41:11.200 --> 02:41:14.040 were worried a that they would get stolen or damaged, 3262 02:41:14.079 --> 02:41:17.479 and B they couldn't fucking find them because the black 3263 02:41:17.600 --> 02:41:20.760 market had already taken them all so too. And I'm 3264 02:41:20.799 --> 02:41:23.399 not sure where the video you're talking about was shot. 3265 02:41:23.520 --> 02:41:26.319 If it was around that timeframe when it was the 3266 02:41:26.600 --> 02:41:28.639 fake ones that were out there, that could be the explanation. 3267 02:41:28.760 --> 02:41:31.079 But if it was prior to that, I don't know 3268 02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:31.520 what to say. 3269 02:41:31.600 --> 02:41:35.360 Man, Well, they still like even when you see like them, 3270 02:41:35.440 --> 02:41:38.840 like first escavating these statues, they look brand new, you know, 3271 02:41:39.120 --> 02:41:40.440 you can you can just tell by looking them. They 3272 02:41:40.479 --> 02:41:42.319 look brand new, even in like the black and white 3273 02:41:42.680 --> 02:41:46.200 videos when they're first excavating them. But uh, but yeah, 3274 02:41:46.280 --> 02:41:48.799 so I saw each anali as de bunked and he, 3275 02:41:49.120 --> 02:41:51.559 I mean, he shows them building these giant blocks for 3276 02:41:51.639 --> 02:41:54.280 the pyramids, and uh, and how they're made out of 3277 02:41:54.399 --> 02:41:57.159 geopolymers and you look at I forget if it's Puma 3278 02:41:57.239 --> 02:42:00.879 punku or Machi pichi, but it was just giant h blow. Yeah, 3279 02:42:01.000 --> 02:42:02.959 but you could totally tell that's a cement. And they 3280 02:42:03.000 --> 02:42:05.280 were made with a mold like those were not carved 3281 02:42:05.319 --> 02:42:07.840 each individually like that. You can just tell by looking 3282 02:42:07.879 --> 02:42:08.319 at them, you know. 3283 02:42:09.000 --> 02:42:11.000 And they can track the stone and see it's one 3284 02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:11.680 solid piece. 3285 02:42:11.760 --> 02:42:15.319 Though, No, there's no way, I guarantee you, I guarantee you. Okay, 3286 02:42:15.920 --> 02:42:18.440 I'll guarantee you. No one could do that. And but 3287 02:42:18.520 --> 02:42:19.840 it'd be way too easy. 3288 02:42:19.600 --> 02:42:21.799 To do it with what do you believe on the 3289 02:42:21.840 --> 02:42:24.520 Easter Island heads, you. 3290 02:42:24.559 --> 02:42:26.600 Know, I don't know, but that's been that's closed off 3291 02:42:26.680 --> 02:42:30.000 now you can't even go visit it. You can't go. Yeah, 3292 02:42:30.040 --> 02:42:31.920 apparently it got closed off a few recently. 3293 02:42:32.040 --> 02:42:33.399 Actually, yeah, the past couple of years. 3294 02:42:33.959 --> 02:42:35.920 Yeah, was that because the COVID or some shit. 3295 02:42:36.280 --> 02:42:40.440 I have no idea what. Uh okay, but but I 3296 02:42:40.479 --> 02:42:43.040 wouldn't be surprised if the whole concept of New Chronology 3297 02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:44.280 had something to do with it, because, like I said, 3298 02:42:44.319 --> 02:42:46.879 people started realizing there's something weird with these with a 3299 02:42:46.959 --> 02:42:47.600 lot of this stuff. 3300 02:42:47.959 --> 02:42:49.920 Yeah, they found there's bodies attached to them. 3301 02:42:50.479 --> 02:42:51.040 Oh is there? 3302 02:42:51.479 --> 02:42:56.879 Yeah? They they recently started like for some reason everybody, Yeah, yeah, 3303 02:42:56.959 --> 02:42:57.479 under the ground. 3304 02:42:57.520 --> 02:42:59.520 They're like, oh, these heads are super cool. No one 3305 02:42:59.600 --> 02:43:02.120 thought to dig into if there was anything below the neck. 3306 02:43:02.399 --> 02:43:04.399 Did you see that documentary where they were showing how 3307 02:43:04.440 --> 02:43:06.399 you can move those how they tied like big ropes 3308 02:43:06.399 --> 02:43:08.120 to them and they're all just like walking it into 3309 02:43:08.159 --> 02:43:10.280 place and stuff. Yeah, kind of what we're talking about, 3310 02:43:10.479 --> 02:43:14.399 what we were talking about earlier, you know, and so 3311 02:43:15.440 --> 02:43:18.319 so so then you know, the early videos of New 3312 02:43:18.399 --> 02:43:21.079 Chronology was all about this kind of stuff, showing like 3313 02:43:21.159 --> 02:43:24.959 all these kind of like hoaxes and how a lot 3314 02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:27.639 of these sites were built because they took videos and 3315 02:43:27.680 --> 02:43:30.319 I mean had videos, but photos of them building these sites. 3316 02:43:30.639 --> 02:43:32.840 You know, when you look at like and and to 3317 02:43:32.959 --> 02:43:35.479 really understand what you're even looking at, you have to 3318 02:43:35.520 --> 02:43:39.280 look at like mining sites in the early eighteen hundreds 3319 02:43:39.520 --> 02:43:41.799 because a lot of these places they were mined, and 3320 02:43:41.879 --> 02:43:44.120 after they were done mining them, they basically turned them 3321 02:43:44.120 --> 02:43:47.319 into a tourist attraction. You know. They like if you 3322 02:43:47.399 --> 02:43:51.079 look at before and after videos our pictures of that 3323 02:43:51.200 --> 02:43:55.920 with a hepsat Sue the temple Hepsatshu temple in Egypt. 3324 02:43:56.280 --> 02:43:58.959 That that's a real obvious one. You have to see that. 3325 02:44:00.440 --> 02:44:02.559 So you know, it was all meat and potatoes. People 3326 02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:03.239 are just sing some one of. 3327 02:44:03.239 --> 02:44:04.440 The one that was carved into the side of a 3328 02:44:04.479 --> 02:44:06.239 mountain or non thing of Petra my bad. 3329 02:44:07.120 --> 02:44:09.959 Yeah, well that's another one that you know. But anyway, 3330 02:44:10.520 --> 02:44:12.920 that was another mining site that they carved into. You know, 3331 02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:19.079 oh wow. But they it's not just Egypt either, I mean, 3332 02:44:19.520 --> 02:44:23.520 it's it's Greece, it's China. You know, like a lot 3333 02:44:23.559 --> 02:44:25.760 of those big Buddha statues, like a lot of that, 3334 02:44:26.000 --> 02:44:28.559 Like they mined the side of a mountain and then 3335 02:44:28.680 --> 02:44:32.000 they built a statue there and decorated it, and you know, 3336 02:44:32.159 --> 02:44:34.399 now it's like an ancient site and it wasn't. It 3337 02:44:34.520 --> 02:44:36.920 was just a mining site because you can't just build 3338 02:44:36.920 --> 02:44:41.319 a city on there because it's unstable, okay, and so 3339 02:44:41.440 --> 02:44:44.159 you know, like so they're you know, twenty fourteen to 3340 02:44:44.280 --> 02:44:47.520 like twenty sixteen, all this new chronology stuff was coming out, 3341 02:44:47.520 --> 02:44:50.079 and it was all solid meat and potatoes, meat and potatoes, 3342 02:44:50.079 --> 02:44:52.360 you know, all stuff that's really solid. Then all of 3343 02:44:52.399 --> 02:44:55.079 a sudden people got to look at like the uh 3344 02:44:56.079 --> 02:44:58.639 World's Fairs, and then it just kind of started evolving 3345 02:44:59.079 --> 02:45:03.840 and evolving and evolving into we couldn't build this today? 3346 02:45:04.239 --> 02:45:06.520 How could they build this with horsts and buggies? We 3347 02:45:06.559 --> 02:45:09.040 couldn't build this today, you know, Like how could they 3348 02:45:09.079 --> 02:45:10.319 build this in a hundred years? 3349 02:45:10.840 --> 02:45:13.520 It's like, we really could build that today very quickly. 3350 02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:15.520 Well, dude, And that was a lot of these people 3351 02:45:15.520 --> 02:45:18.719 dont understand, Like dude, like parts of the East Coast 3352 02:45:18.760 --> 02:45:22.360 were settled in the fifteen hundreds. Uh, like Petersburg, Virginia, 3353 02:45:22.559 --> 02:45:26.120 that was settled in sixteen hundred, right, you know, so 3354 02:45:26.280 --> 02:45:28.120 like up to like the World's Fair, you're telling me 3355 02:45:28.200 --> 02:45:31.760 in two hundred years, they couldn't build a city, you know. 3356 02:45:32.479 --> 02:45:34.399 And then like a lot of the reason too, is 3357 02:45:34.440 --> 02:45:37.879 like they're so decorative, right, but that's just a facade. 3358 02:45:38.280 --> 02:45:41.799 Behind that facade, it is just a regular ugly brick building, right, 3359 02:45:41.840 --> 02:45:43.680 I think that it's just a decorative, the sad of 3360 02:45:43.719 --> 02:45:46.079 it are. And there are catalogs in the eighteen hundreds 3361 02:45:46.079 --> 02:45:47.920 where they're selling those facades and a lot of them 3362 02:45:47.920 --> 02:45:50.479 are made out of cast iron and all that stuff 3363 02:45:50.559 --> 02:45:52.319 where you can buy. You can look at these these 3364 02:45:52.360 --> 02:45:55.360 catalogs and you can compare it to each building that 3365 02:45:55.440 --> 02:45:59.559 people call tartaria. And look at these catalog full of 3366 02:45:59.600 --> 02:46:02.399 these like if ornamental pieces for these facades, and you 3367 02:46:02.440 --> 02:46:04.079 can find them in each and every of these buildings, 3368 02:46:04.079 --> 02:46:06.040 you know, Like so there is a paper trail of 3369 02:46:06.159 --> 02:46:09.479 them building these just like you know, people think that 3370 02:46:09.600 --> 02:46:09.959 you know it. 3371 02:46:10.079 --> 02:46:11.440 Was so tell you what. 3372 02:46:12.000 --> 02:46:14.959 So we don't have many occasions, though, in our modern day, 3373 02:46:15.280 --> 02:46:18.760 for us to throw together like an elaborate insta city, 3374 02:46:19.159 --> 02:46:20.440 you know what I mean, with all the bells and 3375 02:46:20.440 --> 02:46:23.120 whistles and shit. But I'll tell you one example that 3376 02:46:23.200 --> 02:46:26.520 happened pretty recently. And if anybody really wants to like 3377 02:46:26.680 --> 02:46:30.120 go into the type of logistics that it would take 3378 02:46:30.159 --> 02:46:32.040 to pull some shit like that off, and how well, 3379 02:46:32.079 --> 02:46:34.399 who's got the money who could pull it? We couldn't 3380 02:46:34.440 --> 02:46:37.319 even all right, There was a wedding recently in India. 3381 02:46:38.159 --> 02:46:39.760 I don't know if y'all heard about it, but it's 3382 02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:44.200 essentially like the biggest wedding of the century. The equivalent 3383 02:46:44.319 --> 02:46:49.879 of Indian corporate royalty married the actual equivalent of Indian royalty, 3384 02:46:49.920 --> 02:46:54.440 and like anybody who's anybody in that entire fucking subcontinent 3385 02:46:54.879 --> 02:46:57.959 was there and it was a whole thing. The amount 3386 02:46:58.280 --> 02:47:02.520 of elaborate, just over the top shit for this wedding, 3387 02:47:02.760 --> 02:47:03.200 big dog. 3388 02:47:03.680 --> 02:47:05.440 If we wanted to pull. 3389 02:47:05.319 --> 02:47:08.600 Off a World's Fair, we could really do that and 3390 02:47:08.680 --> 02:47:11.959 it would look like some next level Martian shit and 3391 02:47:12.000 --> 02:47:13.959 people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference because 3392 02:47:13.959 --> 02:47:14.319 of Ai. 3393 02:47:15.000 --> 02:47:15.840 Gonna be real with you. 3394 02:47:16.479 --> 02:47:20.879 Yeah, and you know, look at all those giant cities 3395 02:47:21.360 --> 02:47:23.200 in China right now. They've built those up in just 3396 02:47:23.280 --> 02:47:25.280 a few years, and there's no one even living there. 3397 02:47:25.479 --> 02:47:28.120 But no one there's a you know, there's a bunch 3398 02:47:28.120 --> 02:47:30.200 of them, just giant cities. You know, they look like 3399 02:47:30.319 --> 02:47:33.520 New York. No one's living there, Japle architecture, no one's 3400 02:47:33.559 --> 02:47:35.360 there completely. I mean they built them in just a 3401 02:47:35.399 --> 02:47:38.879 few years. Yeah, absolutely, man. And even Dubai, you know, 3402 02:47:39.040 --> 02:47:40.879 like that was most of Dubai was built. 3403 02:47:40.719 --> 02:47:44.920 Like thirty years perfect example, look at Dubai as an example, 3404 02:47:45.000 --> 02:47:45.840 Look at Vegas. 3405 02:47:46.399 --> 02:47:49.559 Yeah, you know, yeah, Vegas was just a desert that was. 3406 02:47:49.600 --> 02:47:52.360 A watering hole in the middle of bum fuck nowhere 3407 02:47:52.440 --> 02:47:54.799 that some mafia bosses got together and was like, hey, boys, 3408 02:47:55.319 --> 02:47:56.079 I got an idea. 3409 02:47:56.319 --> 02:47:58.760 Let me cook with this one, but I promise it's 3410 02:47:58.799 --> 02:47:59.520 gonna pay off. 3411 02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:02.959 And then thing, you know, Vegas became one of the 3412 02:48:03.040 --> 02:48:05.239 quote unquote wonders of the fucking world. 3413 02:48:05.879 --> 02:48:08.360 Yeah we could do things, man, Yeah. 3414 02:48:08.399 --> 02:48:10.399 And you know, so like with with the whole New 3415 02:48:10.479 --> 02:48:13.159 Chronology versus the whole Tartaria thing, there was a The 3416 02:48:13.280 --> 02:48:15.239 thing that bothers me about it is, first of all, 3417 02:48:15.280 --> 02:48:18.600 there's a lot of meat potatoes, like New Chronology is legit. 3418 02:48:18.760 --> 02:48:21.879 But the thing is Anatola Fumenko because he's under supervision 3419 02:48:21.920 --> 02:48:24.120 of the Russian government. There was a couple of things 3420 02:48:24.159 --> 02:48:27.120 that he basically says, but he doesn't say, like he 3421 02:48:27.200 --> 02:48:29.120 can't just come out and say that like all of 3422 02:48:29.200 --> 02:48:32.000 Eastern Europe was Muslim, but he tells you like all 3423 02:48:32.079 --> 02:48:34.760 the coins were Muslim, or you know, say like there's 3424 02:48:34.840 --> 02:48:38.120 no god but alla. The king's crown has Arabic writing 3425 02:48:38.159 --> 02:48:39.799 on it where it says there's no God but Alla. 3426 02:48:40.239 --> 02:48:42.920 The swords all the soldiers have you know, from way 3427 02:48:43.000 --> 02:48:46.000 back in the day, all have like Arabic inscriptions on him. 3428 02:48:46.000 --> 02:48:48.360 How there's like you know Allah, you know and all that. 3429 02:48:48.840 --> 02:48:52.600 And do you know that the Catholic symbol for the 3430 02:48:52.680 --> 02:48:56.879 alpha the omega is completely like apples to apples, comparison, 3431 02:48:56.959 --> 02:49:01.959 like perfect double of the The symbol for Allah, the 3432 02:49:02.040 --> 02:49:04.719 alpha and omega for the Catholic Church is completely identical 3433 02:49:04.760 --> 02:49:05.200 to Allah. 3434 02:49:05.680 --> 02:49:06.479 I've never heard this. 3435 02:49:07.000 --> 02:49:12.360 Oh yeah, and the and like I said, like, none 3436 02:49:12.399 --> 02:49:14.360 of these coins exist in the Middle East. None of 3437 02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:16.399 these swords exist in the Middle East, but they're all 3438 02:49:16.479 --> 02:49:19.520 over Europe, all over Europe, you know. 3439 02:49:19.719 --> 02:49:22.440 No to that point, damn, I wish I had my 3440 02:49:22.559 --> 02:49:24.639 sword in here. I have my night fighting sword and 3441 02:49:24.719 --> 02:49:27.120 my Boohert ship, but I don't have my Marine Corps sword. 3442 02:49:27.680 --> 02:49:32.840 So I to your point, even on military blades today 3443 02:49:33.200 --> 02:49:35.319 there is a star of David at the base of 3444 02:49:35.360 --> 02:49:38.760 the hilt with a Damascus logo. And if you look 3445 02:49:38.799 --> 02:49:44.120 at what that means, somehow it relates to Damascus steel, which, 3446 02:49:44.200 --> 02:49:46.079 by the way, none of these blades are Damascus steel. 3447 02:49:46.079 --> 02:49:48.399 They don't have any of the cool wave patterns any 3448 02:49:48.399 --> 02:49:50.959 of the cool shittycy blacksmiths do. They do have some 3449 02:49:51.079 --> 02:49:53.399 etching in them that make them ceremonial swords and all 3450 02:49:53.559 --> 02:49:56.440 but across all military branches. 3451 02:49:56.520 --> 02:49:58.520 And I've even seen other countries have that on it. 3452 02:49:58.799 --> 02:50:01.360 Why is there a star of David that's supposed to 3453 02:50:01.440 --> 02:50:06.159 be something connected to Damascus swords in government issued I'm 3454 02:50:06.200 --> 02:50:06.920 just throwing it out. 3455 02:50:07.040 --> 02:50:09.440 It's interesting connections, Yeah, it is. 3456 02:50:09.719 --> 02:50:12.879 And so the thing with new chronology was it they 3457 02:50:12.959 --> 02:50:16.399 weren't finished with it. It's still we're still learning about 3458 02:50:16.440 --> 02:50:18.680 it now. And then everyone just kind of got derailed 3459 02:50:19.120 --> 02:50:21.719 and it kind of evolved into like basically ancient aliens 3460 02:50:21.719 --> 02:50:24.360 for flat earthers, where we couldn't build these today, you know. 3461 02:50:25.079 --> 02:50:26.879 But but none of them are actually doing the actual 3462 02:50:26.920 --> 02:50:30.000 research in the footwork. Here's another thing, dude, Like Uh 3463 02:50:30.600 --> 02:50:34.239 Muhammad is mentioned throughout the whole Bible. But but they 3464 02:50:34.399 --> 02:50:37.799 but they changed they changed the Uh the definition in 3465 02:50:37.959 --> 02:50:40.239 all different that changes the transition all throughout the whole Bible. 3466 02:50:40.760 --> 02:50:44.360 In some places it says the desire, in other places 3467 02:50:44.399 --> 02:50:47.559 it says the precious you know. But it's not just Mohammad. 3468 02:50:47.639 --> 02:50:49.799 The Mohammedans are also in the Bible. 3469 02:50:49.799 --> 02:50:52.440 And when you when you go never heard any of this, bro. 3470 02:50:52.760 --> 02:50:55.360 Oh yeah, dude, this is legit. Like like I said, 3471 02:50:55.479 --> 02:50:59.440 the symbol for alpha and omega is a law and 3472 02:51:03.200 --> 02:51:09.239 is the the godly and the uh, and a lot 3473 02:51:09.280 --> 02:51:12.639 of it was uh in the Bible. They switched a 3474 02:51:12.680 --> 02:51:15.680 lot of the ease or these. 3475 02:51:15.600 --> 02:51:18.360 All depending on the language. They didn't have vowels. 3476 02:51:19.200 --> 02:51:21.319 Yeah, well, I know, I'm talking about the translations talking 3477 02:51:21.600 --> 02:51:24.639 the people that that basically wiped out all of Europe 3478 02:51:24.760 --> 02:51:26.280 and then rewrote our history. 3479 02:51:26.799 --> 02:51:27.879 Right. No, no, that's what I'm saying. 3480 02:51:27.920 --> 02:51:30.440 So, like the original didn't have the vowels, so when 3481 02:51:30.479 --> 02:51:33.639 it got translated to this language versus that language, it 3482 02:51:33.680 --> 02:51:35.600 would have that type of vowel versus this type. 3483 02:51:35.639 --> 02:51:37.239 To your point, I'm agreeing with you. 3484 02:51:37.440 --> 02:51:40.120 But but but even uh, even Viking swords up in 3485 02:51:40.200 --> 02:51:42.159 like Norway and stuff, they all they still have like 3486 02:51:42.200 --> 02:51:44.399 Arabic writing, this is no God but allah. And I 3487 02:51:44.479 --> 02:51:48.440 think the Thirteenth Warrior is basically about that. Those archaeological finds, 3488 02:51:48.959 --> 02:51:49.120 you know. 3489 02:51:49.639 --> 02:51:49.760 Uh. 3490 02:51:50.719 --> 02:51:53.799 We recently had somebody on the show talk about how 3491 02:51:54.079 --> 02:51:57.840 pretty much all language, therefore all religion, therefore all culture 3492 02:51:58.520 --> 02:52:00.799 goes back to the Phenotians or the Phoenicians. 3493 02:52:00.920 --> 02:52:03.159 I'm not sure how people pronounce it. I've heard it 3494 02:52:03.200 --> 02:52:04.799 both ways. I like to say Phoenician. 3495 02:52:05.319 --> 02:52:07.879 But basically if you look at their alphabet and you 3496 02:52:08.000 --> 02:52:12.840 look at it in as compared to Latin, Greek. I 3497 02:52:12.959 --> 02:52:16.120 heard him say Sanskrit. I heard him say what was 3498 02:52:16.159 --> 02:52:17.559 the other language of genth That helped me out. He 3499 02:52:17.600 --> 02:52:20.959 basically broke down every thought on it aside from like 3500 02:52:21.079 --> 02:52:22.040 the Asians. 3501 02:52:22.959 --> 02:52:25.719 Yeah, he got into like Latin and Greek and Phoenician 3502 02:52:25.920 --> 02:52:30.239 and like basically Hebrew, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 3503 02:52:30.399 --> 02:52:33.479 And well what we call Hebrew today was actually like 3504 02:52:33.639 --> 02:52:38.000 like the speakable and writeable Hebrew was arabad r. Yeah. 3505 02:52:38.120 --> 02:52:40.879 It was created in eighteen ninety by this one guy 3506 02:52:41.000 --> 02:52:44.440 and he and he based off of Arabic, and basically 3507 02:52:44.520 --> 02:52:47.000 the global language is basically Arabic. And they kind of 3508 02:52:47.440 --> 02:52:50.559 splintered off later on. But there is even a group 3509 02:52:50.680 --> 02:52:54.200 of Christians they got wiped out during World War two 3510 02:52:54.639 --> 02:52:58.440 around Germany, and they were called the Alamani. They're a 3511 02:52:58.559 --> 02:53:03.079 Christian but they they and they and they referred to 3512 02:53:03.159 --> 02:53:05.000 God as Allah, but they were Christian, but they were 3513 02:53:05.040 --> 02:53:07.760 completely wiped out. I think the Russians wiped them out 3514 02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:08.360 of the Communists. 3515 02:53:09.200 --> 02:53:11.760 Yeah, people don't like knowing that Russia was actually on 3516 02:53:11.840 --> 02:53:15.959 the side of the Nazis until they flipped on the agreement, 3517 02:53:16.440 --> 02:53:19.559 but like, yeah, the Russians did some heinous things during 3518 02:53:19.639 --> 02:53:20.319 World War Two. 3519 02:53:21.440 --> 02:53:22.200 Yeah, totally. 3520 02:53:22.520 --> 02:53:25.040 Well, look, there's something that I kind of wanted to 3521 02:53:25.520 --> 02:53:28.840 maybe tie into all of this though, Like, you know, 3522 02:53:29.000 --> 02:53:32.280 I'm obviously I'm somebody who questions history quite a lot, 3523 02:53:32.920 --> 02:53:37.040 and regarding whether some of these things are hundreds or 3524 02:53:37.159 --> 02:53:41.680 thousands or millennia years old or whatever, I mean, does 3525 02:53:42.000 --> 02:53:45.159 that doesn't necessarily take away from the symbolism and that 3526 02:53:45.319 --> 02:53:48.120 symbolism that you would use in magic or in prayer 3527 02:53:48.319 --> 02:53:50.559 or anything like that, right, Like, they still hold the 3528 02:53:50.600 --> 02:53:55.840 same value regardless of how old or young they are anyway, Right, Yeah. 3529 02:53:56.200 --> 02:54:01.360 And it's a good point because, you know, like because 3530 02:54:01.440 --> 02:54:04.879 because I look at like like religion and it's sort 3531 02:54:04.879 --> 02:54:08.239 of like an interface to the to God, like an 3532 02:54:08.280 --> 02:54:12.000 interface to the divine, you know, where once you start 3533 02:54:12.079 --> 02:54:14.520 doing the work and you start like you know, like 3534 02:54:14.600 --> 02:54:17.399 working through these currents that you start kind of peeling 3535 02:54:17.479 --> 02:54:19.440 through these layers of the onions and you kind of 3536 02:54:19.479 --> 02:54:22.000 get to the true source. You know that I just 3537 02:54:22.040 --> 02:54:24.479 kind of look at them as just an interface and 3538 02:54:24.920 --> 02:54:26.559 as long as you actually do the work, you can 3539 02:54:26.680 --> 02:54:30.000 you can get to what's really going on. But yeah, 3540 02:54:30.120 --> 02:54:32.200 and so it's a real mindful because you know, like 3541 02:54:32.280 --> 02:54:35.280 the Canada Forum wasn't even discovered until like nineteen hundred, 3542 02:54:35.440 --> 02:54:36.959 nineteen ten or twenty or something. 3543 02:54:37.479 --> 02:54:39.719 Bro I was just saying that the other day, all 3544 02:54:39.840 --> 02:54:43.000 these people having these like vast insights of the ancient 3545 02:54:43.040 --> 02:54:46.280 Samaran tablets. It's like, y'all realize, we couldn't even read 3546 02:54:46.360 --> 02:54:49.120 that until the nineteen fifties, right, Like we didn't even 3547 02:54:49.239 --> 02:54:51.680 know how to translate it until the nineteen fifties. 3548 02:54:52.120 --> 02:54:55.239 Yeah. Yeah, and uh, and then you look at like 3549 02:54:55.719 --> 02:54:59.600 the Vatican and stuff. They didn't discover quote unquote discover 3550 02:54:59.760 --> 02:55:02.840 quote ute unquote ancient Roman, Ancient Greece into like the 3551 02:55:02.879 --> 02:55:06.799 fourteen hundreds. Like, how are you going to lose the 3552 02:55:07.159 --> 02:55:08.120 culture that built you? 3553 02:55:08.719 --> 02:55:10.399 You know that you came out of you know, like 3554 02:55:11.239 --> 02:55:14.360 they claim that they don't like to make this claim, 3555 02:55:14.479 --> 02:55:17.680 but here's what happened. The Greek Empire became the Greek 3556 02:55:18.399 --> 02:55:21.840 Orthodox Church, right, That's what happened to the Eastern Roman Empire, 3557 02:55:22.399 --> 02:55:25.920 the Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic Church. They already 3558 02:55:25.920 --> 02:55:28.520 had their outposts set up, they already had their networks, 3559 02:55:28.559 --> 02:55:30.000 they already had their followers. 3560 02:55:30.479 --> 02:55:32.840 Like everything that we know about this stuff comes from 3561 02:55:32.879 --> 02:55:36.079 the Vatican. So you're trusting the people that did those 3562 02:55:36.159 --> 02:55:39.040 horrible atrocities to humanity. That's who you're trusting, you know, 3563 02:55:39.719 --> 02:55:43.159 And you can't trust these people. They literally they pulled 3564 02:55:43.200 --> 02:55:46.280 some sneaky little card where they claim ownership of God's 3565 02:55:46.319 --> 02:55:49.399 creation and that's why they run the world. They filed 3566 02:55:49.440 --> 02:55:52.040 some crazy document like a thousand or two thousand years ago, 3567 02:55:52.079 --> 02:55:54.680 and that's why they think that they run the world. 3568 02:55:54.799 --> 02:55:54.959 You know. 3569 02:55:55.680 --> 02:55:59.719 So modern archaeology is taking place right now that does 3570 02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:01.440 to oberate certain stories. 3571 02:56:01.840 --> 02:56:03.360 What is your take on that. I don't mean like 3572 02:56:03.399 --> 02:56:05.680 carbon dating. I'm not talking like dinosaur I no, I 3573 02:56:05.760 --> 02:56:06.479 wis let's talk. 3574 02:56:07.159 --> 02:56:10.239 Here's the thing. If your timeline is already jacked up, 3575 02:56:10.239 --> 02:56:12.040 and you find a piece of pot in the ground, 3576 02:56:12.440 --> 02:56:14.959 you're going to associate it with that jacked up timeline. 3577 02:56:16.200 --> 02:56:16.920 You see what I'm saying. 3578 02:56:17.319 --> 02:56:20.120 You brought up like the city found in sixteen hundred, 3579 02:56:20.159 --> 02:56:23.879 for instance, right, so, like we do believe that that 3580 02:56:24.239 --> 02:56:28.040 city was founded in America in the sixteen hundreds. Yeah, 3581 02:56:28.120 --> 02:56:31.799 that the people came from England allegedly before that. So 3582 02:56:32.120 --> 02:56:35.360 I mean, do we believe that at least that happened 3583 02:56:35.399 --> 02:56:35.639 or is. 3584 02:56:35.600 --> 02:56:36.840 That also Vatican lies? 3585 02:56:36.959 --> 02:56:37.079 Right? 3586 02:56:37.159 --> 02:56:39.559 So like where where does it begin? 3587 02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:43.479 Yeah, it's it's hard to say. Uh, there's at least 3588 02:56:43.600 --> 02:56:46.319 like some record, I guess, you know, at least the 3589 02:56:46.360 --> 02:56:49.600 buildings and stuff were there, you know. But you know, 3590 02:56:49.680 --> 02:56:52.520 once you go past a photographic record, it becomes really 3591 02:56:52.559 --> 02:56:55.479 hard to say on anything. And that's and that's why, 3592 02:56:55.639 --> 02:56:57.600 like you know, the Tartaria groups have kind of gone 3593 02:56:58.079 --> 02:57:00.799 so crazy with all this stuff, is because because they're 3594 02:57:00.799 --> 02:57:03.680 basing it on the photographic record, you know, which didn't 3595 02:57:03.719 --> 02:57:05.040 start until like eighteen fifty. 3596 02:57:05.479 --> 02:57:08.000 True, but the pictures worth a thousand words, right, and 3597 02:57:08.159 --> 02:57:10.680 those old ten types were so easy to fuck up. 3598 02:57:10.719 --> 02:57:13.000 It would have been easy to have something edited in 3599 02:57:13.360 --> 02:57:15.399 right all of these Oh yeah, like how can we 3600 02:57:15.440 --> 02:57:16.520 even trust the pictures? 3601 02:57:17.040 --> 02:57:19.959 That's what I'm saying, dude. Yeah, and it becomes a 3602 02:57:20.000 --> 02:57:22.680 real mindfluck and anatoly fimgo goes over all this stuff. 3603 02:57:22.959 --> 02:57:24.520 But like I said, I think it's really weird that 3604 02:57:24.760 --> 02:57:28.559 what we call ancient Rome and ancient Greece wasn't discovered, 3605 02:57:29.000 --> 02:57:31.360 you know, until like the fourteen hundreds, and then so 3606 02:57:31.440 --> 02:57:33.920 here's something happened, right. So, Like I'm smoking a split 3607 02:57:34.000 --> 02:57:35.760 at home, and I was thinking about, like how you 3608 02:57:35.840 --> 02:57:37.559 can't even prove, like how do we even know these 3609 02:57:37.600 --> 02:57:40.799 people existed? Right? So I start looking to see, like 3610 02:57:41.159 --> 02:57:44.000 Julius Caesar, Right, how can we prove that he exists? 3611 02:57:44.000 --> 02:57:47.079 So I start googling, like artifacts that prove Julius Caesar exists? Right? 3612 02:57:47.399 --> 02:57:49.879 I find something it's from like the sixteen hundred to 3613 02:57:49.920 --> 02:57:53.040 seventeen hundreds, right, and it's a remake of something that 3614 02:57:53.120 --> 02:57:55.479 got destroyed in the fifteen hundreds. So you click on that, 3615 02:57:55.920 --> 02:57:57.920 you have to remake of something they got destroyed, and 3616 02:57:58.040 --> 02:58:00.120 the you know, one thousand, you click on that, and 3617 02:58:00.239 --> 02:58:02.239 that's something that they don't even remember what happened to 3618 02:58:02.280 --> 02:58:05.000 because they got destroyed two thousand years ago. It's like 3619 02:58:05.319 --> 02:58:07.520 like everything when it comes to Julie Caesar was a 3620 02:58:08.920 --> 02:58:10.760 remake of something they got destroyed, of a remake of 3621 02:58:10.799 --> 02:58:12.959 something they got destroyed, of, a remake of something got destroyed. 3622 02:58:13.319 --> 02:58:16.319 Like how many times can you replicate something that doesn't 3623 02:58:16.360 --> 02:58:18.200 exist before it becomes an outright fraud. 3624 02:58:19.520 --> 02:58:22.600 What do you say about like pharaohs and sarcophagus and 3625 02:58:22.719 --> 02:58:24.680 things like that that had been exhumed, and like King 3626 02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:27.479 Tut's tomb for instance, and like we knew that he 3627 02:58:27.639 --> 02:58:29.280 was the young king and he died as a child, 3628 02:58:29.360 --> 02:58:31.120 and we could read the higher glyphs and we knew 3629 02:58:31.120 --> 02:58:31.799 that was King Tut. 3630 02:58:31.920 --> 02:58:33.079 It said the age it was from. 3631 02:58:33.479 --> 02:58:35.280 And then you look at him and it's like, oh shit, 3632 02:58:35.319 --> 02:58:37.040 he had a club foot and a cleft lip, and 3633 02:58:37.120 --> 02:58:39.879 that makes sense because they were like super fucking inbreeding 3634 02:58:39.959 --> 02:58:42.799 over there with the royal family, and shit's like, what 3635 02:58:42.959 --> 02:58:43.639 is your take on this? 3636 02:58:45.159 --> 02:58:45.399 Well? 3637 02:58:46.040 --> 02:58:48.319 If because we have a photographic evidence that was only 3638 02:58:48.360 --> 02:58:50.719 exhumed in the laste hundred and fifty years, Yeah. 3639 02:58:50.799 --> 02:58:52.159 That's what I'm saying, Like, how do you know they 3640 02:58:52.239 --> 02:58:54.840 exhumed it or they didn't put it in there? You know, 3641 02:58:55.280 --> 02:58:59.399 like even with the Sphinx, you know, the the Sphinx 3642 02:58:59.479 --> 02:59:01.360 and the Pyramids, I think go back a little bit 3643 02:59:01.479 --> 02:59:04.159 before the photographic period. I think around like eighteen twenty 3644 02:59:04.559 --> 02:59:05.959 is when a lot of that stuff was built. But 3645 02:59:06.079 --> 02:59:08.879 the Sphinx wasn't even done being built until like eighteen 3646 02:59:08.959 --> 02:59:13.159 eighty eighteen ninety like they built those legs, like like 3647 02:59:13.280 --> 02:59:15.879 right around eighteen eighty they finally built the legs. 3648 02:59:16.520 --> 02:59:19.680 So all the inscriptions and paintings. 3649 02:59:19.239 --> 02:59:22.239 And higher, there's videos of them painting it all up there. 3650 02:59:23.000 --> 02:59:25.639 Got you, There's pictures of them painting it all up there. 3651 02:59:25.799 --> 02:59:28.479 Here's the thing. Look at those hieroglyphs, dude, they don't 3652 02:59:28.520 --> 02:59:30.639 look like they're two thousand years old, three thousand and 3653 02:59:30.639 --> 02:59:32.680 four thousand years old. They look like they're one hundred 3654 02:59:32.680 --> 02:59:35.920 and fifty years old. They look crisp, they look brand new. 3655 02:59:36.280 --> 02:59:36.440 You know. 3656 02:59:36.959 --> 02:59:40.399 Well, let me ask you this though, does does and 3657 02:59:40.520 --> 02:59:43.200 this is my thing that me and Jacob kind of 3658 02:59:44.239 --> 02:59:50.840 will definitely disagree in, but does history necessarily make something 3659 02:59:51.000 --> 02:59:54.600 more real or more true? I mean, whenever we're talking 3660 02:59:54.600 --> 02:59:57.079 about because I know that within the realm of magic 3661 02:59:57.200 --> 02:59:59.639 and consciousness and all that kind of stuff, does it 3662 02:59:59.840 --> 03:00:03.959 real really? Does it really matter? I guess is my question, 3663 03:00:04.079 --> 03:00:07.479 because there there could be something that I read from somebody. 3664 03:00:07.239 --> 03:00:11.360 In affect the woo woo world I actually don't believe. 3665 03:00:11.440 --> 03:00:15.680 So Jonathan, uh yeah, I mean. 3666 03:00:15.719 --> 03:00:17.559 He didn't let me finish what I was trying to say, 3667 03:00:17.920 --> 03:00:21.719 but I'm sorry. Basically, my point is is that you know, 3668 03:00:21.840 --> 03:00:26.200 whenever you take away certain parts of history, does that 3669 03:00:27.239 --> 03:00:29.520 I don't know, dude. It's it's this is why I 3670 03:00:29.600 --> 03:00:31.760 don't really care for history, because there could be something 3671 03:00:31.799 --> 03:00:35.120 that somebody wrote today and if and it'll resonate, you know, 3672 03:00:35.280 --> 03:00:37.680 that doesn't necessarily mean well, well it was written today, 3673 03:00:37.799 --> 03:00:41.319 so you can't really believe that, you know. My point 3674 03:00:41.440 --> 03:00:44.120 is is that why is it that something written two 3675 03:00:44.200 --> 03:00:47.399 thousand years ago has a lot more truth today than 3676 03:00:47.440 --> 03:00:50.920 if somebody wrote something today? Do you get what I'm saying? 3677 03:00:50.959 --> 03:00:53.280 Like a lot of people believe in certain But what 3678 03:00:53.360 --> 03:00:54.879 I'm saying is is that a lot of people will 3679 03:00:54.920 --> 03:00:58.680 believe in certain religions or certain philosophies strictly because of 3680 03:00:58.799 --> 03:01:02.559 their age, is my point. But just because somebody wrote 3681 03:01:02.559 --> 03:01:04.360 some shit down two thousand and three thousand and four 3682 03:01:04.399 --> 03:01:07.799 thousand years ago doesn't necessarily believe it mean that it's 3683 03:01:08.120 --> 03:01:11.319 absolute truth. It just means that that's what people believe 3684 03:01:11.399 --> 03:01:13.360 for that amount of time. Did Do you get one 3685 03:01:13.360 --> 03:01:14.760 of the point that I'm trying to make here? 3686 03:01:15.479 --> 03:01:18.959 Yeah, well, you know, from a magic standpoint. To really 3687 03:01:19.159 --> 03:01:21.159 kind of understand this, I think it's important to look 3688 03:01:21.200 --> 03:01:24.159 at chaos magic. And when chaos magic first came out, 3689 03:01:24.559 --> 03:01:29.280 and it was like in the seventeenth the seventies, actually 3690 03:01:29.280 --> 03:01:33.799 seventeen hundreds, but you know, like the mid to late seventies, 3691 03:01:33.840 --> 03:01:36.799 I think it came out of Britain. But a bunch 3692 03:01:36.799 --> 03:01:40.520 of occultists were like, you know, like, we know magic works, 3693 03:01:40.559 --> 03:01:43.360 but there's all this like folklore attached to it, all 3694 03:01:43.440 --> 03:01:48.559 this superstition, religious stuff like, and so they started stripping 3695 03:01:48.559 --> 03:01:50.319 a lot of that way and started seeing what worked. 3696 03:01:50.399 --> 03:01:52.959 And the whole concept with chaos magic is using the 3697 03:01:53.040 --> 03:01:57.520 power of belief to your to your benefit, that did it. 3698 03:01:57.879 --> 03:02:00.799 It doesn't matter if you don't believe it's gonna work. 3699 03:02:00.840 --> 03:02:03.280 You just have to kind of like suspend disbelief to 3700 03:02:03.319 --> 03:02:05.479 get it to work. But when you start think of 3701 03:02:05.520 --> 03:02:08.239 it like that, because you know you can you can 3702 03:02:08.319 --> 03:02:11.040 summon you know, comic book characters if you want. And 3703 03:02:11.399 --> 03:02:15.520 you look at and you know, these these entities might 3704 03:02:15.559 --> 03:02:17.399 have even came from a real place, like he might 3705 03:02:17.479 --> 03:02:20.760 have unintentionally channeled them to some extent, but you look 3706 03:02:20.799 --> 03:02:26.319 at like HP Lovecrafts the Necronomicon. Uh, that's supposedly it's 3707 03:02:26.319 --> 03:02:28.840 a completely work of fiction, but it's one of the 3708 03:02:28.840 --> 03:02:30.600 most powerful grim works you could ever work with, Like, 3709 03:02:30.680 --> 03:02:33.840 those entities are really powerful and apparently it's a complete 3710 03:02:33.879 --> 03:02:36.200 work of fiction, but but it works really really. 3711 03:02:36.079 --> 03:02:38.319 Well, right, And that's my point is so that you 3712 03:02:38.559 --> 03:02:41.920 you've made an example on Meta Mysteries a few times 3713 03:02:42.079 --> 03:02:45.159 talking about how you would be able to summon Scrooge 3714 03:02:45.200 --> 03:02:47.120 McDuck to to be able to bring you a bunch 3715 03:02:47.159 --> 03:02:49.360 of money, right, yeah, like clearly. 3716 03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:50.520 You'd answer your questions everything. 3717 03:02:50.600 --> 03:02:54.079 Yeah, clearly a fing cartoon, right clearly was something that 3718 03:02:54.280 --> 03:02:57.600 was made in the you know, not that long ago. 3719 03:02:58.000 --> 03:03:01.000 But that that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not that 3720 03:03:01.120 --> 03:03:03.520 it's that it's fake or whatever, because you know, I 3721 03:03:03.559 --> 03:03:05.639 guess my point is that if it works, it works. 3722 03:03:05.680 --> 03:03:07.399 It doesn't matter how old or how new it is. 3723 03:03:08.000 --> 03:03:10.399 If he answers your questions and he brings you money, 3724 03:03:10.479 --> 03:03:11.600 that's pretty fucking real to me. 3725 03:03:12.559 --> 03:03:14.760 You know, that's where I like to go. And I 3726 03:03:14.920 --> 03:03:18.280 and I do understand, you know, how some people would like, well, 3727 03:03:18.440 --> 03:03:21.000 this is what these people believe for this long and 3728 03:03:21.120 --> 03:03:24.559 that that further proves its validity or whatever. I do 3729 03:03:24.799 --> 03:03:27.719 understand that, but that that's not necessarily where it ends, 3730 03:03:27.920 --> 03:03:28.479 is my point. 3731 03:03:29.000 --> 03:03:31.319 Yeah, And I mentioned this on Meta too, like the uh, 3732 03:03:31.840 --> 03:03:35.280 the guy that wrote all the Conan comic books. You know, 3733 03:03:35.360 --> 03:03:38.760 toward the end of the whole thing, you get out 3734 03:03:38.799 --> 03:03:42.600 to the point where Conan was like literally physically there 3735 03:03:42.760 --> 03:03:45.120 standing over him helping him write the comic books. 3736 03:03:45.959 --> 03:03:46.719 That is a story. 3737 03:03:46.799 --> 03:03:50.280 He became a real thing, right, That is a thing. 3738 03:03:50.479 --> 03:03:53.040 So that's That's basically all I'm trying to say. Like 3739 03:03:53.120 --> 03:03:56.360 whenever people question history, or maybe you disagree on history, 3740 03:03:56.559 --> 03:04:00.680 maybe archaeology says one thing about history and other philosophers 3741 03:04:00.719 --> 03:04:03.879 say something else about history. The point is I think 3742 03:04:04.000 --> 03:04:06.680 that you know, whenever you're you get into a certain realm, 3743 03:04:06.840 --> 03:04:10.360 like who gives a flying motherfuck about history? 3744 03:04:10.680 --> 03:04:14.520 You know, and that's it's, uh, it's all workable still, 3745 03:04:14.799 --> 03:04:17.440 you know, you know, because I mean like because like 3746 03:04:17.959 --> 03:04:21.200 the Kabbala is probably like one of the more complete 3747 03:04:21.319 --> 03:04:24.520 forms of systems of magic that that that that exists, 3748 03:04:24.920 --> 03:04:28.319 the Kabbala, and probably like the Goatia less a case 3749 03:04:28.399 --> 03:04:31.920 Solomon and uh, but the Kabala is like really intricate 3750 03:04:31.920 --> 03:04:35.200 because it involves the Hebrew alphabet and all the different paths, 3751 03:04:35.239 --> 03:04:37.360 and then you have the clip off where you go 3752 03:04:37.479 --> 03:04:39.799 into like the more like realms of Hell, I guess, 3753 03:04:39.920 --> 03:04:44.000 like the dark side of the tree and they you know, 3754 03:04:44.159 --> 03:04:46.959 like but those are still concepts where people were like 3755 03:04:47.040 --> 03:04:49.079 looking at because you know, most of the spheres are 3756 03:04:49.120 --> 03:04:51.000 all represent the planets. You know, you got the Earth 3757 03:04:51.040 --> 03:04:53.920 at the bottom, and then you have all of the uh, 3758 03:04:54.760 --> 03:04:56.959 you know, mercury moon and all that, like all the 3759 03:04:57.040 --> 03:04:59.280 sepharroths are basically so when you look at like because 3760 03:04:59.319 --> 03:05:02.000 Kabala is like complicated, but when you look at it 3761 03:05:02.079 --> 03:05:05.959 in terms of like planetary magic, it's extremely easy, right. 3762 03:05:06.000 --> 03:05:08.079 Right, And I guess, like to further my point of 3763 03:05:08.120 --> 03:05:12.399 what I'm trying to say, it's like just a crude example, 3764 03:05:12.520 --> 03:05:14.360 I guess is the point that I'm trying to get 3765 03:05:14.360 --> 03:05:15.440 across it Like. 3766 03:05:15.399 --> 03:05:17.239 A lot of this stuff was just created by people. 3767 03:05:17.479 --> 03:05:19.840 It was just ideas and philosophers had and then it 3768 03:05:19.920 --> 03:05:21.040 kind of got perfected over. 3769 03:05:20.920 --> 03:05:23.680 The years, you know, right right, Well, I guess my 3770 03:05:23.799 --> 03:05:26.040 point is, like, you know, the example I was trying 3771 03:05:26.079 --> 03:05:28.520 to make is that like, all right, let's say you 3772 03:05:28.680 --> 03:05:30.719 got a Christian for example, right, Like we live in 3773 03:05:30.760 --> 03:05:32.200 a country. There's a lot of Christians, so I'm just 3774 03:05:32.200 --> 03:05:35.399 going to use that for an example. But like there 3775 03:05:35.479 --> 03:05:37.040 are a lot of There are a lot of like 3776 03:05:37.239 --> 03:05:39.479 ball Etherre Christians, and there is a lot of flat 3777 03:05:39.520 --> 03:05:43.079 earth are Christians. And guess what one might believe that 3778 03:05:43.120 --> 03:05:45.479 we live on a flat earth. That's that's what they believe. 3779 03:05:45.559 --> 03:05:47.440 They walk out into the world, they say, wow, look 3780 03:05:47.479 --> 03:05:51.680 at this beautiful flat earth. Right, Christianity still works for them. 3781 03:05:52.079 --> 03:05:54.680 Is my point is that it doesn't fucking matter what 3782 03:05:54.879 --> 03:05:57.600 you think we're living on. Is that it all works 3783 03:05:57.840 --> 03:05:59.840 and it doesn't matter where. It doesn't matter where we 3784 03:06:00.360 --> 03:06:03.799 doesn't matter when this shit was created. It's that, you know, 3785 03:06:04.040 --> 03:06:07.159 I just think that you know, you're it's it's your 3786 03:06:07.319 --> 03:06:11.399 perspective that in a in a weird way that kind 3787 03:06:11.440 --> 03:06:14.440 of guides that belief into Yeah, it doesn't matter what 3788 03:06:14.559 --> 03:06:15.719 reality we're in, you know. 3789 03:06:15.760 --> 03:06:17.600 And people are so polarizer right now. They don't really 3790 03:06:17.680 --> 03:06:20.280 understand this. But it's not what you think, but how 3791 03:06:20.360 --> 03:06:23.520 you think that's important. And people aren't their beliefs, you know, 3792 03:06:23.639 --> 03:06:25.680 bottom line, you know, like people are not their beliefs, 3793 03:06:25.719 --> 03:06:28.079 you know, because you know, people are so polarized right now, 3794 03:06:28.200 --> 03:06:30.520 like you know, like there are some dumb conservatives, there's 3795 03:06:30.520 --> 03:06:33.079 some really smart conservatives, you know, like right now, most 3796 03:06:33.200 --> 03:06:35.159 liberals are pretty dumb, at least in here in America, 3797 03:06:35.360 --> 03:06:37.040 if you know, because all the smart ones are in 3798 03:06:37.120 --> 03:06:39.680 the middle or they're on the right now because because 3799 03:06:39.680 --> 03:06:41.639 they went so crazy. But they're still smart liberals in 3800 03:06:41.680 --> 03:06:44.200 the world, you know, like they're smart socialists and smart 3801 03:06:44.239 --> 03:06:47.079 communists in the world. Not you know, like it is, 3802 03:06:48.040 --> 03:06:50.079 people have this weird thing where they think they're their beliefs. 3803 03:06:50.239 --> 03:06:51.399 People aren't even their thoughts. 3804 03:06:51.399 --> 03:06:51.520 You know. 3805 03:06:51.559 --> 03:06:56.440 If you just sit there and just just observe your thoughts, 3806 03:06:56.479 --> 03:06:58.799 you don't try to control them, don't try to regulate them, 3807 03:06:58.840 --> 03:07:00.239 just just sit they're and to observe your thought. Just 3808 03:07:00.319 --> 03:07:02.639 do it for like ten minutes, you know, and then 3809 03:07:02.680 --> 03:07:05.959 sit there and ask yourself, well, if those are my thoughts, 3810 03:07:06.920 --> 03:07:10.760 if that's me, then who's paying attention to that? Do 3811 03:07:10.760 --> 03:07:11.520 you see what I'm saying? 3812 03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:13.319 Yes, yes, So. 3813 03:07:13.440 --> 03:07:16.200 People aren't their thoughts, they're not their beliefs. It's not 3814 03:07:16.399 --> 03:07:18.200 what you think about how you think it's important. And 3815 03:07:18.280 --> 03:07:19.920 again you got to eat the fruit and throw away 3816 03:07:19.959 --> 03:07:21.760 the peel. And all I care about is what's usable, 3817 03:07:22.319 --> 03:07:24.479 Like if I can apply it in a meaningful way, 3818 03:07:25.159 --> 03:07:28.319 I'm keeping it, you know, or at least you know, 3819 03:07:28.440 --> 03:07:30.040 like it might even just be worth trying it out. 3820 03:07:30.079 --> 03:07:32.840 You know, like I keep joking about something Scrooge McDuck 3821 03:07:32.879 --> 03:07:35.200 as a joke, I might eventually one day do it. 3822 03:07:35.879 --> 03:07:37.959 You know, I might even consecrate I have a Mercury 3823 03:07:38.079 --> 03:07:40.879 dime here with Hermes on it. I might even consecrate 3824 03:07:40.920 --> 03:07:44.120 my Mercury dove to be Scrooge McDuck's number one dime 3825 03:07:44.479 --> 03:07:46.360 a as a Scrooge McDuck talisman. 3826 03:07:46.639 --> 03:07:50.079 All right. So a good point off of that is 3827 03:07:50.200 --> 03:07:53.360 if like, look, if Scrooge McDuck can work, then the 3828 03:07:53.440 --> 03:07:56.680 Buddha can work, then Mohammad can work, then Jesus can work, 3829 03:07:56.920 --> 03:07:59.479 then all these other things can work. If that's simple, 3830 03:07:59.559 --> 03:08:02.079 little thing can work too. And that's why I like 3831 03:08:02.159 --> 03:08:04.440 to go with the coexist bumper sticker. Dude, that's just 3832 03:08:04.520 --> 03:08:07.239 my philosophy. And that's just my opinion, by the way, 3833 03:08:07.319 --> 03:08:08.040 don't find me for that. 3834 03:08:08.200 --> 03:08:08.639 That's just me. 3835 03:08:08.920 --> 03:08:10.520 I'm not saying that that's the way the world is. 3836 03:08:10.799 --> 03:08:12.440 And I agree with you. And going back to the 3837 03:08:12.600 --> 03:08:14.959 new chronology and what I was talking about with all 3838 03:08:15.000 --> 03:08:17.920 these different doctrines and everything history being a race and 3839 03:08:17.920 --> 03:08:20.719 the rewritten was I think a lot of these religions 3840 03:08:20.879 --> 03:08:23.639 were all part of basically more or less the same religion, 3841 03:08:24.360 --> 03:08:27.440 and that you know, the Vatican and the French and 3842 03:08:27.520 --> 03:08:31.399 the British kind of had a destructive war with a 3843 03:08:31.440 --> 03:08:34.879 lot of these cultures. Rewrote everything. People were forced to 3844 03:08:35.000 --> 03:08:38.440 migrate into places they weren't from, like the Middle East. 3845 03:08:38.559 --> 03:08:41.120 And you know, but because you know, you look like 3846 03:08:41.239 --> 03:08:45.760 take a like Hinduism, even though it's not actually called Hinduism, 3847 03:08:45.840 --> 03:08:49.120 but you know, take Hinduism and you look at like 3848 03:08:49.200 --> 03:08:54.280 the stations of Brama, right, and then the Muslims have 3849 03:08:54.360 --> 03:09:00.639 the same thing called the Stations of Abraham, like Brahma, Obrama, Obrahim. 3850 03:09:01.120 --> 03:09:03.719 You know, like it's kind of you start seeing the 3851 03:09:03.760 --> 03:09:07.959 same thing. And like I said, Muhammad is mentioned in 3852 03:09:08.040 --> 03:09:10.799 the Bible. If you look at like the Hebrews translations 3853 03:09:10.840 --> 03:09:13.079 and everything, and the Greeks and everything, I mean just 3854 03:09:13.079 --> 03:09:15.840 says right there, Muhammad and not just Muhammad, the Mohammedans. 3855 03:09:16.319 --> 03:09:19.319 And then when you replace the words that they mistranslated 3856 03:09:19.479 --> 03:09:23.159 intentionally with Muhammad or the Mohammedans, it reads like a 3857 03:09:23.319 --> 03:09:27.479 war going on between the Vatican and the other side 3858 03:09:27.479 --> 03:09:30.920 of the world, which would be like Germany, Austria, Russia. 3859 03:09:31.879 --> 03:09:35.959 You know, but that's a fascinating way to look at it. 3860 03:09:36.000 --> 03:09:37.040 I've never heard of that before. 3861 03:09:38.239 --> 03:09:41.159 Yeah, And when you look at like all the original 3862 03:09:41.239 --> 03:09:43.639 paintings of Jesus being crucified or are painted like, you know, 3863 03:09:43.639 --> 03:09:47.719 almost a thousand years ago, he's being crucified an instant 3864 03:09:47.760 --> 03:09:50.600 bul Like the buildings in the background where he's being 3865 03:09:50.600 --> 03:09:53.760 crucified are still there today. He's not being crucified in 3866 03:09:53.799 --> 03:09:56.639 the Middle East that people are wearing like turbans, and 3867 03:09:56.680 --> 03:10:00.399 they're wearing like I guess, like modern clothes for you know, 3868 03:10:00.639 --> 03:10:02.959 a thousand years ago, but they're not like in loin 3869 03:10:03.079 --> 03:10:05.559 cloths out in the middle of the desert, you know. 3870 03:10:05.719 --> 03:10:08.760 Like but in these paintings, you know, like they're in Italy, 3871 03:10:08.879 --> 03:10:11.360 they're in Spain, they're you know, they're they're all over 3872 03:10:11.600 --> 03:10:14.520 They're found all over Europe, and you know, from different 3873 03:10:14.559 --> 03:10:21.200 time periods where Jesus is being crucified and basically constantinople. Ah. 3874 03:10:21.639 --> 03:10:23.040 That is interesting. 3875 03:10:24.360 --> 03:10:27.639 So paintings of people that weren't there, right, these are 3876 03:10:27.719 --> 03:10:31.360 artists renditions centuries after the events thereof. 3877 03:10:32.200 --> 03:10:34.799 It's the closest thing to a record that we have, 3878 03:10:36.639 --> 03:10:36.840 is it. 3879 03:10:36.879 --> 03:10:39.600 Though, Because I mean they also paint Jesus as white, 3880 03:10:39.639 --> 03:10:41.440 and we know that that's a complete lie. 3881 03:10:41.680 --> 03:10:43.600 Well, if he's from if he's from Europe, he would 3882 03:10:43.639 --> 03:10:44.000 be white. 3883 03:10:44.879 --> 03:10:46.559 But if he was from Nazareth, he wouldn't be. 3884 03:10:47.399 --> 03:10:51.799 Well where's Nazareth. Here's the thing is instant Bul used 3885 03:10:51.799 --> 03:10:54.760 to be Jerusalem, and even like Jerusalem, like it's a. 3886 03:10:56.399 --> 03:10:57.280 What are you talking about? 3887 03:10:57.319 --> 03:10:57.479 Man? 3888 03:10:57.639 --> 03:11:00.479 I know there's there's been several names for it used 3889 03:11:00.520 --> 03:11:03.639 to be Jerusalem, and same with uh and there's there's 3890 03:11:03.719 --> 03:11:09.200 been several Jerusalem's. Moscow was a Jerusalem, Paris was a Jerusalem. 3891 03:11:09.799 --> 03:11:13.280 You know, I've never heard this before, you know, I mean, 3892 03:11:13.319 --> 03:11:15.479 I know there's more than one city out there named Jerusalem. Hell, 3893 03:11:15.479 --> 03:11:18.159 I've gone through a couple of Jerusalems and backwood states 3894 03:11:18.280 --> 03:11:18.879 in America. 3895 03:11:19.000 --> 03:11:21.120 I mean, I get that totally totally. 3896 03:11:21.200 --> 03:11:24.159 But that's I'm talking about the nation of you know. 3897 03:11:24.280 --> 03:11:27.200 But again we're talking about two different timelines. Yeah, I'm 3898 03:11:27.239 --> 03:11:29.799 talking about a history that me and you were on 3899 03:11:29.840 --> 03:11:30.440 different pages. 3900 03:11:30.440 --> 03:11:34.239 I understand totally. But when you go and look, first 3901 03:11:34.239 --> 03:11:37.120 of all, Jerusalem wasn't the Jerusalem now today that all 3902 03:11:37.159 --> 03:11:40.159 these people are fighting over. Was empty, No one lived there. 3903 03:11:40.600 --> 03:11:42.120 It was just a couple of It was just a 3904 03:11:42.200 --> 03:11:45.879 couple of what we call Palestinians, but it wasn't Palestine's 3905 03:11:45.879 --> 03:11:48.079 called Al Kutz. It was like a thousand people there. 3906 03:11:48.159 --> 03:11:51.520 No one was there. It was completely empty, you know. 3907 03:11:52.200 --> 03:11:56.600 And then you know, the zion is typically respectfully, I disagree, 3908 03:11:56.639 --> 03:11:58.479 but you and I have a very different place in 3909 03:11:58.559 --> 03:11:59.639 history that we call truth. 3910 03:11:59.719 --> 03:11:59.959 That's all. 3911 03:12:00.159 --> 03:12:03.879 Yeah, Uh well, go go check the photographic record. You'll 3912 03:12:03.879 --> 03:12:06.639 see for yourself. Baghdad was completely empty. No one lived 3913 03:12:06.639 --> 03:12:09.040 in the Middle East, and then so these people were 3914 03:12:09.079 --> 03:12:11.959 forced to immigrate there through like battles and wars and everything. 3915 03:12:12.239 --> 03:12:15.040 Thesign has had this whole plan. It wasn't just design 3916 03:12:15.040 --> 03:12:17.000 as it was the British and the French too, and 3917 03:12:17.079 --> 03:12:20.280 the Vatican had this whole plan to bring people into 3918 03:12:20.360 --> 03:12:22.799 Al Kutz. They first they named it Palestine, then they 3919 03:12:22.879 --> 03:12:25.920 brought people there, and then they called it Jerusalem. But 3920 03:12:26.000 --> 03:12:27.479 they weren't even sure where they were going to put 3921 03:12:27.520 --> 03:12:31.040 Jerusalem in Palestine. They had this huge debate, these arguments 3922 03:12:31.079 --> 03:12:32.639 going on and where they were even going to put it, 3923 03:12:33.200 --> 03:12:37.000 and uh the uh yeah, you know, and then like 3924 03:12:37.079 --> 03:12:39.479 you know, the British and the French went into like 3925 03:12:39.559 --> 03:12:42.920 the Middle East and all these areas. They they they 3926 03:12:42.959 --> 03:12:44.799 taught these people how to read and write. They're completely 3927 03:12:44.920 --> 03:12:47.520 literan bare for the people that were still there, the 3928 03:12:47.639 --> 03:12:50.399 few people there, they were practically naked, you know. I mean, 3929 03:12:51.680 --> 03:12:56.639 it's OK. And then they they they basically built the schools, 3930 03:12:56.680 --> 03:12:59.760 they built the museums. They at first they taught them 3931 03:12:59.760 --> 03:13:03.280 the wrong orally, and then they brought in brand new 3932 03:13:03.399 --> 03:13:05.799 Qurans and then started teaching them reading it. They weren't 3933 03:13:05.799 --> 03:13:08.360 even teaching them history or science or anything like that. 3934 03:13:08.440 --> 03:13:11.159 They were only teaching them the Arabic language. And most 3935 03:13:11.159 --> 03:13:13.239 of these people don't even speak Arabic really, they just 3936 03:13:13.360 --> 03:13:15.040 learn it in school. But it's not even how language 3937 03:13:15.040 --> 03:13:19.159 they speak, because it's a different type of Arabic. Damn. 3938 03:13:19.680 --> 03:13:24.000 Well, look, this is this is what happens whenever you start, 3939 03:13:24.440 --> 03:13:26.879 you know, kind of pulling at the threads of history. 3940 03:13:27.079 --> 03:13:29.399 I'm not saying that you know what's right. I don't 3941 03:13:29.440 --> 03:13:32.040 know what's right. I mean, it's it's fun to speculate 3942 03:13:32.120 --> 03:13:35.399 on these kind of things. And I mean, but you know, 3943 03:13:36.159 --> 03:13:38.399 this is where you're gonna get the different philosophies. And 3944 03:13:39.079 --> 03:13:41.479 I believe this or I believe that, and the problem 3945 03:13:41.600 --> 03:13:43.879 is is that it's fuelled with belief and you got 3946 03:13:44.000 --> 03:13:46.600 to take certain people's word for it at a certain point, right, 3947 03:13:46.719 --> 03:13:50.440 And that's the whole really thing about history. So like, 3948 03:13:50.639 --> 03:13:52.879 for example, did you know in parts of the world, 3949 03:13:53.200 --> 03:13:55.959 this is a current day thing. In parts of the world, 3950 03:13:57.280 --> 03:14:01.520 they see that we have six content rather than seven. Like, 3951 03:14:01.760 --> 03:14:04.440 so the truth is is that we have six continents 3952 03:14:04.520 --> 03:14:08.040 according to some people's the way that they're brought up. 3953 03:14:08.360 --> 03:14:13.040 So I just met this Peruvian person and she said, look, 3954 03:14:13.440 --> 03:14:15.200 whenever I was in school, a lot of the stuff 3955 03:14:15.239 --> 03:14:17.799 didn't translate whenever I moved over here to America. And 3956 03:14:18.159 --> 03:14:20.520 I started asking, all right, well, let me try and understand, 3957 03:14:20.559 --> 03:14:23.360 you know, like maybe a little bit of your the 3958 03:14:23.680 --> 03:14:26.079 teaching that you were taught. Well, she was taught that 3959 03:14:26.319 --> 03:14:29.079 there were there's six continents in the world. She comes 3960 03:14:29.120 --> 03:14:31.879 over to America, we believe there's seven. And so she 3961 03:14:32.000 --> 03:14:34.000 asked me to start naming the continent. So I'm naming them. 3962 03:14:34.079 --> 03:14:36.600 She goes, I said, North America, South America. She goes, 3963 03:14:36.719 --> 03:14:40.559 right there, she goes, it's just America where we're at. 3964 03:14:40.719 --> 03:14:42.760 There is no North in South America. 3965 03:14:43.040 --> 03:14:44.079 That is the content. 3966 03:14:45.040 --> 03:14:49.159 They would claim that no, sorry, there's definitely there's definitely 3967 03:14:49.200 --> 03:14:49.639 a line. 3968 03:14:50.120 --> 03:14:51.399 I mean, but it's connected though. 3969 03:14:51.520 --> 03:14:53.239 I consider I'm two different cont if I could see that, 3970 03:14:53.639 --> 03:14:56.239 you know, and because because at first I was just thinking, 3971 03:14:56.280 --> 03:14:59.239 you know, Antarctica, you know, because some people will see 3972 03:14:59.280 --> 03:14:59.959 it as a shoreline. 3973 03:15:00.000 --> 03:15:02.319 I never earth, right, But I guess the point is 3974 03:15:02.440 --> 03:15:05.959 is that you're there's all different teachings everywhere. So just 3975 03:15:06.079 --> 03:15:09.360 because what we learned here, that doesn't necessarily make an 3976 03:15:09.360 --> 03:15:11.479 absolute truth. Even though we see we're seeing as the 3977 03:15:11.520 --> 03:15:14.120 world's superpower, we're seen as the brightest people, da da da, 3978 03:15:14.479 --> 03:15:16.319 that doesn't necessarily mean it's the absolute truth. 3979 03:15:16.360 --> 03:15:16.520 Though. 3980 03:15:16.879 --> 03:15:19.360 Was my point here that there's all different thought forms 3981 03:15:19.680 --> 03:15:20.719 around what is truth. 3982 03:15:21.159 --> 03:15:23.600 There are karmas like that mid section though it's at 3983 03:15:23.680 --> 03:15:27.680 that point, so it from its perspective, it's smack dab 3984 03:15:27.799 --> 03:15:30.840 in the middle of this massive land mass on either 3985 03:15:31.000 --> 03:15:32.959 end that ends at the north or south pole. 3986 03:15:33.040 --> 03:15:33.479 So from the. 3987 03:15:33.479 --> 03:15:37.280 Peruvian standpoint, yeah, you're kind of standing in the center 3988 03:15:37.399 --> 03:15:39.040 of a giant land mass. 3989 03:15:39.280 --> 03:15:42.159 Like you're like Costa Rica, you know, your sandwich between 3990 03:15:42.200 --> 03:15:43.799 two continents. You know, you would just kind of see 3991 03:15:43.840 --> 03:15:44.399 it as one thing. 3992 03:15:44.479 --> 03:15:46.920 Yeah, just because there's a man made river between the 3993 03:15:46.959 --> 03:15:49.319 two saying one versus the other, like they're kind of 3994 03:15:49.360 --> 03:15:50.680 in the smack dab middle of it. 3995 03:15:50.799 --> 03:15:53.200 So I kind of understand why that would be a 3996 03:15:53.239 --> 03:15:54.040 thing in their culture. 3997 03:15:54.360 --> 03:15:57.040 But I think there are like tidbits of truth scattered 3998 03:15:57.079 --> 03:15:58.639 throughout the world, and a lot of it's hidden in 3999 03:15:58.719 --> 03:16:03.520 our language, you know, Like, but but there are like 4000 03:16:03.959 --> 03:16:06.120 and that's the thing that bothers me, these whole tartaria stuff, 4001 03:16:06.159 --> 03:16:10.120 you know, like because new chronology it's not finished yet, 4002 03:16:10.760 --> 03:16:13.920 we're still learning it. And then it all got scattered 4003 03:16:13.959 --> 03:16:19.000 and devolved into basically ancient aliens for flat earthers, where 4004 03:16:19.040 --> 03:16:22.399 they're just like, we couldn't build this today when we could, 4005 03:16:22.760 --> 03:16:24.680 you know, we just don't. I mean, we don't really 4006 03:16:24.680 --> 03:16:26.559 have the materials. Like my house is one hundred years old. 4007 03:16:27.000 --> 03:16:29.200 The old growth wood that was built with this house, 4008 03:16:29.319 --> 03:16:31.280 the type of sheet rock with you know, materials this 4009 03:16:31.399 --> 03:16:32.680 good do not exist anymore. 4010 03:16:33.840 --> 03:16:35.159 You know. That was my next question. 4011 03:16:35.479 --> 03:16:37.799 If you believe that history pretty much only started five 4012 03:16:37.879 --> 03:16:39.959 hundred years ago, how do you explain trees that are 4013 03:16:40.000 --> 03:16:40.520 older than that. 4014 03:16:42.239 --> 03:16:44.840 Well, I mean, you're comparing like the natural world to 4015 03:16:44.920 --> 03:16:45.719 like human history. 4016 03:16:47.159 --> 03:16:49.319 Okay, so you're saying that Earth is older than that, 4017 03:16:49.520 --> 03:16:51.799 you're saying human history started then. 4018 03:16:52.200 --> 03:16:56.040 And I'm talking about like the historical record, you know, 4019 03:16:56.120 --> 03:16:58.879 because a lot of it is a forgery, and it 4020 03:16:59.040 --> 03:17:01.760 was forged by the Vatican, you know, so who knows 4021 03:17:01.760 --> 03:17:03.879 how old displace? Like I said, these are million dollar 4022 03:17:04.000 --> 03:17:05.680 questions right here, and this is why I think it 4023 03:17:05.760 --> 03:17:08.639 is important to start investigating this stuff and kind of 4024 03:17:08.680 --> 03:17:10.719 pulling in what we can find out from people that 4025 03:17:10.760 --> 03:17:13.360 are still alive, who have talked to their grandparents, who 4026 03:17:13.399 --> 03:17:15.000 have talked to their grandparents, and that a little bit 4027 03:17:15.079 --> 03:17:18.360 we can find, you know, because because we don't know 4028 03:17:18.440 --> 03:17:20.360 how old this place is, we don't know how old 4029 03:17:20.520 --> 03:17:22.399 we are and how long we've been here. We don't 4030 03:17:22.479 --> 03:17:25.000 really know the meaning of life, you know. You know, 4031 03:17:25.600 --> 03:17:28.360 it appears that suffering is a big mechanism of this place, 4032 03:17:28.440 --> 03:17:31.440 but there's other things that are you know, evolution and 4033 03:17:31.760 --> 03:17:35.079 consciousness or another part of it, you know, and so 4034 03:17:35.280 --> 03:17:36.959 it's hard to say, you know, I mean, these are 4035 03:17:36.959 --> 03:17:39.239 all million dollar questions, you know, who are you? Why 4036 03:17:39.280 --> 03:17:40.760 are we here? What's the meaning of life? 4037 03:17:40.799 --> 03:17:40.920 You know? 4038 03:17:41.040 --> 03:17:43.239 But it's fascinating, but it takes. 4039 03:17:43.040 --> 03:17:46.280 A sentient life form to even question that stuff though, right, Like, 4040 03:17:46.479 --> 03:17:49.799 it takes a conscious life form to say, you know what, like, 4041 03:17:49.959 --> 03:17:52.000 all right, I see that this is what I'm being taught. 4042 03:17:52.280 --> 03:17:54.200 I see that this is what they want me to believe, 4043 03:17:54.440 --> 03:17:56.680 not necessarily out of goodwill or out of bad will, 4044 03:17:56.760 --> 03:17:58.040 but we just see it as history. 4045 03:17:58.120 --> 03:17:58.280 Right. 4046 03:17:58.600 --> 03:18:01.959 But like the conscious person or the you know, the 4047 03:18:02.920 --> 03:18:07.280 non NPC might look at certain things and say, I'm 4048 03:18:07.360 --> 03:18:10.399 gonna like they've lied about something right here, I wonder 4049 03:18:10.440 --> 03:18:12.200 what else they've lied about it? And then I wonder 4050 03:18:12.239 --> 03:18:14.840 what else they've lied about? And so you know, we 4051 03:18:15.000 --> 03:18:19.159 do it every single day on this show. We question everything. 4052 03:18:19.520 --> 03:18:23.799 And so to not question history, that's a weird place 4053 03:18:23.920 --> 03:18:26.760 to stop at. Because who's to say that the conspiracies 4054 03:18:26.799 --> 03:18:29.159 only started in twenty twenty, You know what I'm saying, 4055 03:18:29.200 --> 03:18:31.879 they didn't start in two thousand. They've been around for 4056 03:18:31.959 --> 03:18:34.200 the longest time. What are we just supposed to believe 4057 03:18:34.280 --> 03:18:38.280 that all the ancient peoples were the most trustworthy people 4058 03:18:38.399 --> 03:18:41.200 that has ever been. Nobody's ever told a lie before 4059 03:18:41.280 --> 03:18:45.920 one thousand, you know, ad like no like people shit 4060 03:18:45.959 --> 03:18:49.120 has been around for fucking forever, like there has to 4061 03:18:49.239 --> 03:18:49.479 have been. 4062 03:18:50.000 --> 03:18:51.959 And you know, the thing that sucks is you know, 4063 03:18:52.200 --> 03:18:56.079 like I love history. I love reading about like military 4064 03:18:56.159 --> 03:18:59.559 strategy and the Romans and the Greeks and the Mongols, 4065 03:18:59.639 --> 03:19:02.559 like like Genghis Khan was like my favorite thing to 4066 03:19:02.639 --> 03:19:05.000 read about, you know, like some of those battle strategies 4067 03:19:05.000 --> 03:19:07.120 and stuff, and you know, and who knows that the 4068 03:19:07.159 --> 03:19:09.920 guy was ever even real? You know, we we can't say, 4069 03:19:10.000 --> 03:19:12.840 you know, right, so just one of those things and 4070 03:19:12.959 --> 03:19:15.280 all that is, and all that's really you know, I 4071 03:19:15.399 --> 03:19:16.559 loved all that stuff. 4072 03:19:16.479 --> 03:19:19.799 Right, but all that's left. I mean there's there's speculation, 4073 03:19:20.280 --> 03:19:23.280 there's and there's belief. That's that's really what it boils 4074 03:19:23.360 --> 03:19:26.840 down to. So look, I mean we didn't even get 4075 03:19:26.920 --> 03:19:30.280 into a large portion of what we were planning on 4076 03:19:30.360 --> 03:19:33.280 getting into as far as Hollywood, A culled and you know, 4077 03:19:33.479 --> 03:19:35.399 a lead, a cult and all that kind of stuff. 4078 03:19:35.440 --> 03:19:38.319 But you know what, I no, that's fine. Yeah, we 4079 03:19:38.639 --> 03:19:41.280 look Byron, you're coming back on here again. Brother, That's 4080 03:19:41.319 --> 03:19:45.239 all that means. So so look, if anybody is interested 4081 03:19:45.280 --> 03:19:47.639 in finding you or finding any of your work, uh, 4082 03:19:48.200 --> 03:19:50.760 finding any of your and maybe even some of your machines, 4083 03:19:50.920 --> 03:19:52.520 where would they be able to find all that at? 4084 03:19:53.719 --> 03:19:55.719 Yeah? Uh, well my Instagram. I'm sure you're gonna have 4085 03:19:55.719 --> 03:19:57.639 links and everything in the description. My Instagram is Lord 4086 03:19:57.680 --> 03:20:01.079 Byron Jester all lower case, all one where. Uh. My 4087 03:20:01.200 --> 03:20:04.639 YouTube channel, my main YouTube channel is my apotheosis, uh 4088 03:20:04.920 --> 03:20:09.440 my Etsy uh pages my Apotheosis, and I have a 4089 03:20:09.479 --> 03:20:11.600 website build. I just haven't paid for the domain name. 4090 03:20:12.040 --> 03:20:14.440 I I just teamed up with a couple of other magicians. 4091 03:20:14.479 --> 03:20:18.200 The guy that built their machines, uh cut ways with them, 4092 03:20:19.719 --> 03:20:22.920 and a lot of that is because he discovered the 4093 03:20:23.000 --> 03:20:25.840 earth was flat. He's kind of like a hardcore Christian. 4094 03:20:25.959 --> 03:20:29.360 And you know, these guys are kind of they're created, 4095 03:20:29.440 --> 03:20:31.360 you know, I don't know, they're They're more into like 4096 03:20:31.440 --> 03:20:34.000 the darker stuff, and I think it bothered him, and 4097 03:20:34.399 --> 03:20:36.079 he was, you know, he's a little bit older, from 4098 03:20:36.120 --> 03:20:38.799 a different generation he's from. He's basically a boy scout. 4099 03:20:38.799 --> 03:20:38.920 You know. 4100 03:20:38.959 --> 03:20:42.239 He's a good guy. So so I'm taking over for that. 4101 03:20:42.719 --> 03:20:46.680 Uh And uh so one guy is El the Alchemists, 4102 03:20:47.280 --> 03:20:50.520 a good guy, and then another one is J. S. Garrett. 4103 03:20:51.040 --> 03:20:54.559 So I'm also gonna be uh selling some machines through 4104 03:20:54.600 --> 03:20:57.719 those guys for those guys building their machines, I should say. 4105 03:20:58.200 --> 03:20:59.760 And so that's kind of what happened. I was gonna 4106 03:21:00.559 --> 03:21:02.399 pay for my domain name and a whole year of 4107 03:21:03.319 --> 03:21:08.120 internet service or whatever. And but when I teamed up 4108 03:21:08.120 --> 03:21:10.079 with those guys, I was like, Oh, my goodness, and 4109 03:21:10.159 --> 03:21:14.799 there's another occult group. Uh, probably one of the biggest 4110 03:21:15.319 --> 03:21:17.799 and uh and I'm gonna be building their machines too. 4111 03:21:18.479 --> 03:21:20.360 So I basically just took all the money ahead and 4112 03:21:20.440 --> 03:21:22.959 bought a bunch more materials because I'm buyer to see 4113 03:21:22.959 --> 03:21:23.719 a huge influx. 4114 03:21:24.600 --> 03:21:28.520 Hell yeah, dude, that is awesome. Well look, Byron, we 4115 03:21:28.639 --> 03:21:29.280 love having you on. 4116 03:21:29.479 --> 03:21:29.639 Man. 4117 03:21:29.840 --> 03:21:33.280 You are you are quite the personality, dude, And I 4118 03:21:33.399 --> 03:21:35.000 know that there's going to be some people that agree, 4119 03:21:35.079 --> 03:21:38.040 some people that disagree, some people that are both. 4120 03:21:38.399 --> 03:21:40.239 Like, you know, every thing is going to really bother 4121 03:21:40.319 --> 03:21:42.360 a lot of people until they look into it, you know. 4122 03:21:42.479 --> 03:21:44.440 And it's hard to look into It's just one of 4123 03:21:44.520 --> 03:21:47.000 those things, you know. And the thing is, like I said, 4124 03:21:47.120 --> 03:21:51.280 it's it's still evolving as we speak. So the more 4125 03:21:51.319 --> 03:21:54.639 people that look into it and share their information, the better, 4126 03:21:55.399 --> 03:21:57.360 you know. Because I'm not afraid to be wrong. I 4127 03:21:57.399 --> 03:21:59.680 don't give her shit. But what I mean, why would 4128 03:21:59.680 --> 03:22:01.639 I care something to happen five hundred years ago or 4129 03:22:01.680 --> 03:22:02.319 didn't happen, you. 4130 03:22:02.319 --> 03:22:08.479 Know right, it costs nothing to question absolutely so, uh, Jacob. 4131 03:22:08.520 --> 03:22:09.360 Any parting words for you. 4132 03:22:09.440 --> 03:22:14.079 Sir, if you haven't already, Dear cult members, please at 4133 03:22:14.159 --> 03:22:16.920 this time, hit the five stars, hit the share, the like, 4134 03:22:16.959 --> 03:22:19.319 subscribed to comment, leave a post, leave review, shares with 4135 03:22:19.319 --> 03:22:21.319 their friends and family, shares everywhere. Here's the deal. 4136 03:22:21.639 --> 03:22:23.959 The more activity that the algorithm sees across all of 4137 03:22:24.000 --> 03:22:26.520 our listening platforms, the more we get promoted to more 4138 03:22:26.520 --> 03:22:29.159 potential listeners who could then become potential cult members like. 4139 03:22:29.159 --> 03:22:29.520 The rest of you. 4140 03:22:29.639 --> 03:22:32.000 Final ais and gentlemen, we thank you for everybody who's 4141 03:22:32.000 --> 03:22:32.760 already gone and done so. 4142 03:22:33.520 --> 03:22:36.959 And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode 4143 03:22:37.040 --> 03:22:41.280 of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm Jacob, 4144 03:22:41.399 --> 03:22:43.680 and there's one very important, extremely vital piece of information 4145 03:22:43.760 --> 03:22:46.719 we need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible. 4146 03:22:47.559 --> 03:22:49.680 I've been up that third. 4147 03:22:51.520 --> 03:22:53.159 And the mind is of lessons be beloaded. 4148 03:23:00.200 --> 03:24:10.520 That's no bad bladressss