Speaker 1: Oh, friend of the are, Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name's Jonathan,
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob, and today we get one of my boys
Speaker 2: who has made several appearances on Meta Mysteries. Welcome finally
Speaker 2: to the show, Lord Byron Jester.
Speaker 3: How's it going, guys, Thanks for having me on, looking
Speaker 3: forward to it.
Speaker 2: We are so stoked about this because look, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever you come on to Meta Mysteries, we're kind of
Speaker 2: seeking some kind of spiritual enlightenment, looking at the light side,
Speaker 2: looking at the good stuff that you can gain from
Speaker 2: magic and wizardry and all of this, you know, occultism
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But I figure it's about time
Speaker 2: we brought you over here to the cult because we
Speaker 2: cover a lot of occult like behavior. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, just yesterday we just covered a book called
Speaker 2: The Dragon Legacy. Have you ever heard of this book?
Speaker 3: No? I have not.
Speaker 2: I get yeah. It hasn't been out very long. I
Speaker 2: mean relatively, it's been out since two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: But it was by basically an occultist who Jacob what
Speaker 2: was his background again?
Speaker 4: So, and I gotta tell you, I even did more
Speaker 4: fact checking on the Homeboy today as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: and it's kind of crazy how much his leney it
Speaker 4: checks out. But I still find a few fallacies of
Speaker 4: things written. But either way, so this guy named Nicholas
Speaker 4: de Vere of the Devere royal family. Okay, and by
Speaker 4: royal family, yes, it's not the Hapsburgs, it's not the Plantagenets,
Speaker 4: but there is record all the way back to a
Speaker 4: poem written in the eleven hundreds that says the name
Speaker 4: of de Vere. How this is one of the most
Speaker 4: ancient royal families.
Speaker 5: Okay. And so basically.
Speaker 4: Homeboy grew up in the woods and a cabin with
Speaker 4: his mother and father, again royal family, but they chose
Speaker 4: to live off in the woods and teach him these
Speaker 4: occult practices, this magical rituals of different types, different varying degrees.
Speaker 4: His father gave him something called the King's Touch, which
Speaker 4: is apparently another type of powerful magical ability. And one
Speaker 4: day some friends of his said, why don't you just
Speaker 4: write down all this knowledge.
Speaker 5: That you have into a book, and so he did so.
Speaker 4: Essentially, he makes the claim that the Sumerian gods bred
Speaker 4: with humans, and that there's three classifications of people walking
Speaker 4: the Earth today. There's the Druidic rank, which was it's
Speaker 4: a thing that you are born into. It is a
Speaker 4: bloodline thing. It's not something you can earn. It's not
Speaker 4: something you can attain through enlightenment. You are you are,
Speaker 4: or you are not. Then there's the middle tier of
Speaker 4: semi half breed types. He didn't use the word nephalom,
Speaker 4: but he did basically describe the story of the nephilom
Speaker 4: gods mixed with humans cut to one thousand generations later.
Speaker 4: These dudes have a little sum extra with them, not
Speaker 4: fully human, not fully god that way in between. Then
Speaker 4: there was the underlings and the regular human class, and
Speaker 4: he broke these all down, basically saying that some of
Speaker 4: us are just born better and you know, sorry if
Speaker 4: you're not like us with your royal blood. But you know,
Speaker 4: he basically sectioned off that because of bloodlines, certain people
Speaker 4: are more powerful than others. Outside of the money and
Speaker 4: the power, he's basically saying, just because you're a king
Speaker 4: over this land for the past two general that's cute.
Speaker 5: My family's been in charge of things for too millennia.
Speaker 2: So that type of claim he was getting into, like
Speaker 2: how his name devere translated into Overlord and stuff like
Speaker 2: that too, So I just wanted to bring it up
Speaker 2: in case you had gone over anything like that.
Speaker 3: No, it sounds real fascinating though. I'd be down to
Speaker 3: look into it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he credits He credits Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons,
Speaker 2: and even the Bappha mets so.
Speaker 4: Oh and Jehovah for being the author of the best
Speaker 4: selling novel The.
Speaker 5: Holy Bible of All Time.
Speaker 4: He even made that acknowledgment in the book, and it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, that's his words, you mean, But but I
Speaker 4: will ask you this though, because and I've been having
Speaker 4: a lot of conversation with people about Druidism, Okay, and
Speaker 4: that's a big, a big topic with a big old
Speaker 4: question mark on it because there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: things actually known with your background.
Speaker 5: What do you know about Druidism?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like I've learned a lot. And uh,
Speaker 3: when you start getting into like new chronology and how
Speaker 3: jacked up our timeline is, and then all of our
Speaker 3: all of our documents about our ancient history, all of
Speaker 3: them come from the Vatican. So I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's hard to say, you know, it's, uh, how much
Speaker 3: of it's true, how much of it's not, you know,
Speaker 3: like how primitive they were or how you know it's.
Speaker 5: Well, then I'm let me ask you this instead.
Speaker 4: What about this neo druidism that's coming around, like the
Speaker 4: neopaganism movements and all that, people that are claiming that
Speaker 4: they are trying to become druids.
Speaker 5: Do you think there's anything behind that or where is that?
Speaker 3: Well? I look at stuff like that as a as
Speaker 3: a good start, like neopaganism, Jurdery, uh even Wicca. You know,
Speaker 3: like like everyone starts somewhere, Like even a lot of
Speaker 3: good Black magicians started off with the Satanic Bible and
Speaker 3: then they've went on to bigger and better things later.
Speaker 3: Uh So whatever gets you started, you know. So it's
Speaker 3: not where you start off, it's important. It's where you
Speaker 3: end up. You know, Like a lot of the people
Speaker 3: have been in the truth game for a long time,
Speaker 3: started with like Anunaki and Neberu and JFK and now
Speaker 3: it's you know, you know, more like geocentrism and you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I look at it. I try
Speaker 3: not to judge people and where they're at as long
Speaker 3: as you get started and finding a meaningful form of spirituality.
Speaker 3: Even if it's Abrahamic. It doesn't really matter as long
Speaker 3: as you get started and you start trying to understand
Speaker 3: that there's techniques involved, you start isolating those techniques, you
Speaker 3: start perfecting them, and then more importantly, you start applying
Speaker 3: them to some type of practical goal, right.
Speaker 2: Right, and and so that's what's great I think too.
Speaker 2: I mean, not necessarily the dark side, but I guess
Speaker 2: if you're getting started, somewhere there at least is some
Speaker 2: kind of lamp inside of you, right, like the whole
Speaker 2: third eye kind of situation. But look, before we get
Speaker 2: too off the weeds about certain specifics and whatnot, let
Speaker 2: the cult members know, you know, maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: of your history. Where did you get started and where
Speaker 2: have you kind of evolved to within you know, your
Speaker 2: philosophy of just looking at the world and and magic
Speaker 2: and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got started at a young age for the
Speaker 3: most part. It was one of the things that keptuting
Speaker 3: on the shelf. But I grew up on a small
Speaker 3: island on the eastern shore of Virginia, and it's really
Speaker 3: touristy now, like basically, like rich people from New York
Speaker 3: bought up a big chunk of the island. There's got
Speaker 3: condos on there now. But back in the day, it
Speaker 3: was like a small town, you know. But I grew
Speaker 3: up in a house that was the old funeral home
Speaker 3: for the island, and so, you know, there was like
Speaker 3: a lot of spirits. You know, you see stuff all
Speaker 3: the time. You know, it really wasn't too big of
Speaker 3: a deal. But you know, I didn't know that it
Speaker 3: was a funeral home at the time. You know, your
Speaker 3: parents are going to tell you that they're going to
Speaker 3: freak a kid out, you know, right, And so I
Speaker 3: didn't find that out till later on. So I was like,
Speaker 3: what you mean all that stuff was real, you know,
Speaker 3: all that stuff I.
Speaker 4: Saw about how old were you when you made that revelation?
Speaker 3: Oh, it was it was it was late. I was
Speaker 3: probably an adult.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was late, or at least close to an adult,
Speaker 3: you know, it was later on. Uh but you know,
Speaker 3: like they were like, oh, that's just your imagination, You're
Speaker 3: just dreamings, Like I'm pretty sure I saw a lady
Speaker 3: walk down the stairs. I'm pretty sure I saw that.
Speaker 3: It looked pretty clear. And then so you.
Speaker 4: Grew up your whole childhood in that house. You'll moved
Speaker 4: around there for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there for a little bit. Uh and
Speaker 3: then I'd go back because it was my grandparents' house,
Speaker 3: and I'd go back and spend the summer with them
Speaker 3: every year. But my dad was military, so for a
Speaker 3: while there he was stationed on the island, is why?
Speaker 3: And we and uh so now it's kind of a
Speaker 3: grandma's boy too, and it take got from my grandfather
Speaker 3: a lot. That's the Jester side of the family.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 3: Nice, but so so my dad got stationed. Basically, it's
Speaker 3: a military town and that's where I spent the first
Speaker 3: few years of elementary school at. And this was a
Speaker 3: weird place. Like I said, it's a military town. It's
Speaker 3: not too far from Norfolk, Virginia.
Speaker 5: Let's say which town Portsmouth.
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, your dad was doing like naval designs and things.
Speaker 3: Coast Guard.
Speaker 5: Okay, very cool, very cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was saying, not many people get stationed in
Speaker 4: that particular neck of the woods.
Speaker 5: That's why I was like, hold on what exactly? You
Speaker 5: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: That's that's awesome, se Yeah, Coastguard, y'all are moving around
Speaker 4: a decent amount, but getting stationed near y'all's home, so
Speaker 4: to speak, by your grandparents.
Speaker 5: I mean that was sick at least for that time period.
Speaker 3: Oh, I loved it. And there's like my my my family,
Speaker 3: the Jester is they were some of the first settlers
Speaker 3: on the island. Uh. So there's like a couple of
Speaker 3: streets named after him there and everything, you know, So
Speaker 3: it's it's there's some history there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got some ties to the land for sure. Man.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And so when I was going to school,
Speaker 3: it's basically a military school, even though it's not a
Speaker 3: military school, has academy in the name. And uh, it's
Speaker 3: really bizarre because so like I'd been going out of
Speaker 3: body since as long as I can remember, I've been
Speaker 3: having like actual projections and going out of body, seeing
Speaker 3: things before they happen and stuff. And uh, when I
Speaker 3: was going to the school, it's so weird because they
Speaker 3: would pull me out of class and have me take
Speaker 3: these really weird, bizarre tests. And there was only like
Speaker 3: one other kid that I saw, he was in a
Speaker 3: different grade, in a totally different section of the school
Speaker 3: than me, that would take these tests. And we did
Speaker 3: them like by ourselves. Like I would go in be
Speaker 3: here's the only other kid I ever saw there. And
Speaker 3: the weird thing is I would always dream because I
Speaker 3: had like really bad days. You I would always dream
Speaker 3: what was going to happen to me the day before,
Speaker 3: you know, so I'd wake up knowing like what was
Speaker 3: going to happen to me throughout the day.
Speaker 5: That was quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time. I'd always try to change things
Speaker 3: and I never could. But they uh so, But these
Speaker 3: tests were really bizarre because they're because they're basically just
Speaker 3: kind of using like superhero kind of motifs. But the
Speaker 3: but the gist of the test was to see like
Speaker 3: how well you could keep a secret.
Speaker 4: Uh wait wait wait, wait real quick, we mean superhero motifs.
Speaker 5: Break that down a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well back in the day, uh, they had like this.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of like a like a microfilm type
Speaker 3: of It's almost like a like a like a really
Speaker 3: primitive computer had like microfilm in it, and they had
Speaker 3: like a dialogue like a tape that went with it.
Speaker 3: You just click and click and click and click and
Speaker 3: go through it. But they would have like these superheroes
Speaker 3: and they would do something and then you would witness
Speaker 3: it and then they would just try to see like
Speaker 3: how well you could keep a secret. Would you do
Speaker 3: the right thing? No matter what, would you do something
Speaker 3: messed up if if it meant do finishing the mission.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It was like these really bizarre things. But they were
Speaker 3: definitely like narrowing down your brain type. But the weird
Speaker 3: thing is is I would always know when they were
Speaker 3: gonna pick me up and do these tests with me,
Speaker 3: and I didn't see anyone else do it, you know,
Speaker 3: so so they were definitely they definitely scout people for
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone's know about these, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so.
Speaker 5: So this happened during the school day.
Speaker 4: You would come home and just think, you know, I
Speaker 4: took a extra test at school today, No real reason
Speaker 4: to bring that up or anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even really bring it up. I didn't
Speaker 3: think anything of it. My brother was only a year
Speaker 3: younger than me, he wasn't a grade younger than me,
Speaker 3: and and he didn't do it either, you know. And
Speaker 3: he's pretty psychic too, just a different kind of psychic,
Speaker 3: you know, what do you mean. He's like more kind
Speaker 3: of empathic, and and he can he's really spiteful. He
Speaker 3: has an above average ability to focus his hate onto
Speaker 3: a person and then release that hate and fucked the
Speaker 3: person up really bad. You know, he can't. My brother's
Speaker 3: the last person on Earth you would ever want to
Speaker 3: learn magic, you know.
Speaker 4: So he's the type of person that would become a
Speaker 4: super villain if they had the ability.
Speaker 3: I I feel that, Yeah, he would do some van damage, okay,
Speaker 3: and possibly on the wrong people, but he's but he's uh,
Speaker 3: he's crippled some people and he you know, some people
Speaker 3: have died after him just like just focusing on his hate.
Speaker 3: He is he has a natural ability for that.
Speaker 4: Allegedly cult member allegedly allegedly whereabouts may or may not
Speaker 4: have happened.
Speaker 5: We don't even be knowing, Okay, So so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was pretty weird, and it was
Speaker 3: really starting to ramp up. And then I remember on
Speaker 3: the last day of school, I went home and then
Speaker 3: my parents were getting a divorce. Uh my dad was
Speaker 3: going up to Alaska, and uh then we moved to
Speaker 3: Washington and then I just kind of forgot about it,
Speaker 3: and I didn't even think anything of it until like
Speaker 3: I think, like around twenty twelve, and like a lot
Speaker 3: of that super soldier stuff started coming out, and I
Speaker 3: don't think like that was going on with me. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not like a fancy boy or something where I
Speaker 3: think I'm something I'm not. And even though I think
Speaker 3: there was some turds in the punch bowl with that
Speaker 3: whole uh scene, but that's what you kind of jogged
Speaker 3: my memory. I was like, wait a minute, you know,
Speaker 3: because people are talking about like the Gate project and stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like, it was pretty weird that I was
Speaker 3: the only person I saw. No one in from my
Speaker 3: class got pulled out to go do these tests, and
Speaker 3: you know, it just kind of made me remember it,
Speaker 3: you know, I was like, wait a minute, that was
Speaker 3: pretty weird. It didn't happen to me anywhere in Washington,
Speaker 3: only in that one school, let me on a military base.
Speaker 5: If you can remember here, do you know about what
Speaker 5: year we're talking here?
Speaker 3: Oh? God?
Speaker 5: Uh like ballparking ere we talking were nineties eighties.
Speaker 3: Par like eighty seven, eighty eight to ninety one.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so the Cold War was still a thing. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm trying to get a feel for it,
Speaker 4: because you think about this all right outside looking in.
Speaker 4: If the government was going to do tests on a
Speaker 4: certain like let's say it really was a random thing,
Speaker 4: and let's say, let's try to go with it, you know,
Speaker 4: the official narrative that they would try to give for
Speaker 4: something like this, They just pulled a random kid out
Speaker 4: of class and gave them these little tests that they
Speaker 4: were doing. It would make sense that they would do
Speaker 4: that to a military kid at school, because of course
Speaker 4: nobody would ever say anything about that, so whatever. But
Speaker 4: specifically you, I could see that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and by the way, anybody that was ever curious,
Speaker 2: and we may have to do a show on that.
Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting. But the GATE program, it's GATE stands
Speaker 2: for Gifted and Talented Education. So they clearly saw something
Speaker 2: in you. Whether they were testing your psychic abilities or
Speaker 2: testing your loyalty or whatever, there was something within your
Speaker 2: testing or maybe your menuism.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how they would know that it
Speaker 2: was you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either. That's that's the real, uh, kind
Speaker 3: of trippy thing about it.
Speaker 4: But it makes sense there would be a military kid though, right,
Speaker 4: because let's say you did say something, you did.
Speaker 5: Go and tell your parents about it. What's your dad
Speaker 5: gonna do?
Speaker 4: Tell his boss who will threaten to demote him or
Speaker 4: throw him in the brig if he even says some
Speaker 4: shit about it again.
Speaker 3: And the thing is like, even though it's a Coastguard family,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of naval intelligence there.
Speaker 4: Oh, people sleep on the Coastguard and like, look, I'm
Speaker 4: one of them. I will shit on them.
Speaker 5: Out of brotherly love and respect.
Speaker 4: Okay, fine, but people do need to realize Coastguard has
Speaker 4: the same level of security clearance as every other branch.
Speaker 4: They have their special operations groups, they have all of
Speaker 4: the same things, and yes, they may be an easy
Speaker 4: target for jokes, but like, dude, they are not to
Speaker 4: be slept on. They still have the military industrial comp
Speaker 4: behind them. They are still a part of the United
Speaker 4: States assets and that means they still have a budget
Speaker 4: to wage war against God.
Speaker 5: So oh, dude, like no slouches.
Speaker 2: It was like five or six seven years ago somewhere
Speaker 2: in there that I had taken a trip down to
Speaker 2: the World War Two Museum down in New Orleans, and
Speaker 2: I saw, like, I went there and you know, you
Speaker 2: get to see all the different branches of military and everything.
Speaker 2: But dude, there was something about the Coast Guard that
Speaker 2: really pulled me in and I swear like I was.
Speaker 2: I was getting ready to sign up. I was gonna
Speaker 2: do it, and that's whenever they told me I was
Speaker 2: too fat.
Speaker 5: So the other side of that is the Coast Guard
Speaker 5: is under Homeland Security and Department of Defense technically speaking, yes,
Speaker 5: so keep that in mind.
Speaker 4: That means that that's like the FBI and the CIA
Speaker 4: as far as Coast Guard intelligence goes because their Homeland
Speaker 4: Security and Department of Defense, that's homeland and international.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they go to that shit.
Speaker 3: They go to Antarctica and the North Pole all the time.
Speaker 5: They do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they break ice My dad was on icebreaker both pools.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Oh man, your dad had been all over.
Speaker 3: Then if you want to call it a pole anyway,
Speaker 3: this outpole right right whatever on.
Speaker 2: A flat earth. You know, I don't know if that
Speaker 2: globe tard.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm just setting my ways, I suppose.
Speaker 2: So anyway, let's let's get back to the story here. Byron,
Speaker 2: you're upbreaking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that was about it. Magic was something
Speaker 3: I said I kind of kept getting into. When my
Speaker 3: parents divorced, my mom hooked up with this guy and
Speaker 3: he was a conspiracy guy, and this is you know,
Speaker 3: like nineteen ninety one, I would say. But he had
Speaker 3: like giant like refrigerator boxes or washing machine like giant boxes,
Speaker 3: like you know, like old school TV boxes, just huge
Speaker 3: boxes full of like every books of every conspiracy you
Speaker 3: can imagine, you know, the you know, UFOs, Bigfoot, all
Speaker 3: the paranormal hauntings. He had a bunch of books on magic,
Speaker 3: and you had cult like Francis Barress. The it's like
Speaker 3: everything you can imagine. The Philadelphia Experience experiment, you know,
Speaker 3: that was the Philadelphia Experiment was like my jam when
Speaker 3: I was a little kid, when I was in like
Speaker 3: third grade. That was like the most fascinating thing to me.
Speaker 3: It was Philadelphia Experiment.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude, whenever you can whenever you can jump
Speaker 2: timelines and then you come back to the timeline and
Speaker 2: you're fucking buried within the wall of the ship or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's all it's like.
Speaker 3: And it's like a writer. Around the time to Oliver
Speaker 3: Stones movie JFK came out, so it was a big
Speaker 3: good time to be a conspiracy theorist. Even in you know, eight, nine,
Speaker 3: ten years old when I was, it was still a
Speaker 3: good time to be a conspiracy theorist. Because because then
Speaker 3: ninety three happened and that was the thirty year anniversary
Speaker 3: of the JFK, A bunch of new books came out,
Speaker 3: and you know, like that that that shaped my mind.
Speaker 3: And so I was reading books on magic. One of
Speaker 3: the books I read was Francis Barrett's The Magus. And
Speaker 3: you know, I had like an actual crystal ball, like
Speaker 3: a solid piece of crystal.
Speaker 5: And yeah, that thing could not have been cheap.
Speaker 3: It was. It was a small one. It was like this,
Speaker 3: but it was solid one, you know. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: was a little kid, so it was like bigger than me,
Speaker 3: but what you know, and uh and it was still
Speaker 3: rat like, oh cool, I have a crystal ball, you know.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I did a couple rituals of
Speaker 3: that book. I mean, so, you know, The Magus is
Speaker 3: written in like the early I think, like eighteen o
Speaker 3: one or something. I mean, that's a hard book to
Speaker 3: read when you're a little kid, you know, it's not easy.
Speaker 3: It's like a completely different language, did you speak, especially coming.
Speaker 5: From the South, no doubt, no doubt, completely.
Speaker 3: Different language, you know. And so that was pretty fascinating
Speaker 3: and then I just kind of kept putting it on
Speaker 3: the shelf like I was going out of body. I
Speaker 3: was having all these experiences, you know, I'd wake up
Speaker 3: knowing what's going to happen to me. But magic, which
Speaker 3: is something like I got into it later when I
Speaker 3: was a teenager. I put it back on the shelf
Speaker 3: and and and I'm kind of glad I did, you know,
Speaker 3: because when you're like fourth grade, f great, You're not
Speaker 3: supposed to be sitting there like doing magic, and you know,
Speaker 3: doing all this weird stuff alone in the bedroom at night.
Speaker 3: You know, you're you're supposed to be like playing sports
Speaker 3: with your brother, is riding a bike around town, getting
Speaker 3: in fist fights with kids from other neighborhoods, you know.
Speaker 2: Like and when we say magic, we're not talking about
Speaker 2: card tricks over here.
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about like something spirits and shit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's card tricks.
Speaker 4: Well, some people will say magic is in stage magic
Speaker 4: like you know, illusions.
Speaker 3: Yet I prefer the word sorcery. But people get kind
Speaker 3: of triggered by that, especially, you know, like people that
Speaker 3: aren't used to magic.
Speaker 4: There can I ask you sorcery you're making this distinction.
Speaker 4: We're talking about making real things happen in the physical
Speaker 4: word in the world, excuse me, in real time, not
Speaker 4: putting intentions out there and like believing it's gonna happen
Speaker 4: one day.
Speaker 5: You're talking about practical magic, correct, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Totally and and and I'll definitely get into that. So
Speaker 3: so I kind of kept putting it on the shelf.
Speaker 3: And you know, then, you know, when I when I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, you know, I
Speaker 3: started like partying, you know, I mean, I was living
Speaker 3: in Washington State, so everyone parties there. A sixteen year
Speaker 3: old kid, seventeen, eighteen year old kid in Washington, steak
Speaker 3: could easily drink a marine on the East Coast under
Speaker 3: the table. And not only could we drink them under
Speaker 3: the table, like we'd be eating a bag of mushrooms
Speaker 3: and smoking blunts while we did it. You know, So
Speaker 3: that is a.
Speaker 4: Bowl claim to make to a marine, be honest with you, However,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, Oh it's a claim.
Speaker 4: I can't say anything about myself now, But twenty year
Speaker 4: old Jacob would have bellied up to the bar on
Speaker 4: that challenge.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, sixteen year old Jacob was a good Christian boy.
Speaker 2: He wasn't doing all that.
Speaker 4: Oh god, sixteen year old Jacob was is but a sweet, sweet, tender,
Speaker 4: pink little lad in this world had had no idea
Speaker 4: what the real world was about. Twenty year old Jacob
Speaker 4: had discovered the world. Thirty year old Jacob had just
Speaker 4: about got it figured out. I'm thirty two now, I'll
Speaker 4: let you know what's happening these days, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's just one of those things
Speaker 3: like Washington State has like the highest drug and alcohol
Speaker 3: tolllarnts I've ever seen in the country. And I thought
Speaker 3: it was normal. I thought everyone was like.
Speaker 5: That until altitude. Man, it builds them different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And well, I think it's the lack of sunlight,
Speaker 3: you know. I think they're like you cope with seasonal
Speaker 3: depression by drinking.
Speaker 5: Fact, you know.
Speaker 3: And uh, but I never noticed until I go to
Speaker 3: other places and party, and I would be like embarrassed
Speaker 3: for people. I was like, dude, you're getting drunk off
Speaker 3: like a few bud lights, you know, Like if you
Speaker 3: if you pass out, did I'm drawn on your face?
Speaker 3: I might see, like yeah, but might at least you
Speaker 3: want to draw on your face, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you passed out with your shoes on,
Speaker 5: you're asking Oh yeah, I didn't make the rules. They're
Speaker 5: out there though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're out there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: But it was just one of those things. But anyway,
Speaker 3: getting back to the story, So, so I was kind
Speaker 3: of distracted by all that I was living life. And
Speaker 3: one thing that that really kind of got me going
Speaker 3: back onto the whole path was I was I was
Speaker 3: playing in a bunch of metal bands, I was growing
Speaker 3: a bunch of medical and I was living in a
Speaker 3: college town in Washington. And that's why I got into
Speaker 3: d MT. I did DMT a lot, and to anyone
Speaker 3: who's listening out there, I think DMT is really important.
Speaker 3: I think everyone should do it like forty or fifty
Speaker 3: times in their life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it forty or fifty times.
Speaker 4: There were you sourcing it at that time. I hear
Speaker 4: your stories that you used to be able to just
Speaker 4: order it and it would be mailed to you.
Speaker 3: Well, a bunch of people. I don't really want to
Speaker 3: get into it, but anyway, it's ok I think I'll
Speaker 3: just I'll just say it.
Speaker 5: It's really easy to make, so it is okay if
Speaker 5: that's source.
Speaker 4: Look, I have buddies that make it and they swear
Speaker 4: by it, and I know them personally, and I love
Speaker 4: them dearly and I trust them. So if that is
Speaker 4: what you're doing, is making it yourself, hey brother more respect.
Speaker 3: Well, I had friends that were, but it would just
Speaker 3: be given to me most of the time, or for
Speaker 3: really cheap But heard that anyway, and that really just
Speaker 3: kind of you know, because like d MT, it doesn't
Speaker 3: just kind of like give you a peek through the veil,
Speaker 3: you know, like mushrooms or acid will it. It slaps
Speaker 3: the veil right off your fucking face, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So, and so that that played a big thing.
Speaker 3: At the time. I was living in an apartment and
Speaker 3: some lady had hung herself in it. And this is
Speaker 3: how we found out about it too. So you know,
Speaker 3: a bunch of things were happening. Uh, And that's kind
Speaker 3: of a long story, but it was pretty obviously there's
Speaker 3: something wrong with the apartment. Ever, and uh uh my
Speaker 3: girlfriend and I my woman, we blasted off from DMT
Speaker 3: together and we saw this kind of thicker lady hanging
Speaker 3: from a ceiling fan in the dining room. And it
Speaker 3: wasn't like a bad trip or anything. It was just
Speaker 3: like you part of the background.
Speaker 5: You both saw her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, wow. And uh, I mean it was like
Speaker 3: I said, it wasn't like a bad trip or anything.
Speaker 3: It wasn't scary. It was just like part of the background.
Speaker 3: And uh, I don't have a ceiling fan, by the way,
Speaker 3: so so this is so anyway, when we were when
Speaker 3: we were first moving in there, I remember we looked
Speaker 3: at like three other apartments. We looked at like four total,
Speaker 3: and I said, I like the energy and that one better.
Speaker 3: And the lady had this look of someone who just
Speaker 3: saw a ghost, and she was like freaked out. She
Speaker 3: was like, really now, remember thinking to my head, why
Speaker 3: does someone dine there or something? Or what is actually
Speaker 3: I thought in my head, like why does someone kill
Speaker 3: themselves in there? Or something really whop up in my head,
Speaker 3: but I didn't think anything of it. Moved in, all
Speaker 3: this bad stuff started happening, and uh, and then we
Speaker 3: saw that. But but check this out. This is where
Speaker 3: it gets kind of creepy to uh, to anyone who's
Speaker 3: into paranormal stuff. So we're moving out right, and uh,
Speaker 3: we got this nice house out in the country. It's
Speaker 3: right on two legs. We've got a big mountain, dank
Speaker 3: well water.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I noticed it all because I'm on the top
Speaker 3: floor in this apartment. Right, all of the houses on
Speaker 3: the top floor, all of them had a ceiling fan
Speaker 3: in the dining room except for mine. Mine was the
Speaker 3: only one that didn't.
Speaker 2: She tore down.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I creepy.
Speaker 4: So you're the type, all right? Would your woman consider
Speaker 4: you toxic? Just curious because what you just told me
Speaker 4: is it's kind of like a red flag. Homeboy goes like,
Speaker 4: I like the energy in this room better because somebody
Speaker 4: died there, and you're just like drawn to that type
Speaker 4: of shit, like my boy.
Speaker 5: That checks out with you, though, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's really sharp, Jacob. You're you're actually spot
Speaker 3: on because pretty much every place that I love it, Doug,
Speaker 3: because every place I pretty much lived in was basically haunted.
Speaker 3: So you know, what's the common denominator. But at the time,
Speaker 3: you know, like I had a lot of issues growing up.
Speaker 3: I had what some people consider a slightly unfortunate childhood
Speaker 3: and uh and I was drinking to cope with it,
Speaker 3: and uh so it's just one of those things.
Speaker 5: I hear that move and uh and that.
Speaker 3: Was so so yeah, I mean it's it's better now,
Speaker 3: I think I still magnetized for it, but now it's
Speaker 3: so much easier to correct it. You know.
Speaker 4: So a lot of people I know that have a
Speaker 4: I don't want to say a knack for that, but
Speaker 4: they are aware that they're different, right, or that they
Speaker 4: have different site, different abilities to whatever level you want
Speaker 4: to call it. A lot of them feel like that
Speaker 4: means that they have it for a purpose and they
Speaker 4: try to use.
Speaker 5: It in some way. But for you, it sounds like
Speaker 5: that was more of a curse for most of your childhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, that that played a role on me drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wanted to turn it off. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and most people you know that have gone through
Speaker 2: horrible things in their life has have literally had their veil,
Speaker 2: their veil shattered, and so they literally are looking at
Speaker 2: the world in a completely different way, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know about most other people, but all the
Speaker 2: kids that I grew up with, you know, the house
Speaker 2: that I grew up in was it was a good household,
Speaker 2: you know, like my parents were still together, my brother
Speaker 2: and my sister, we played sports like, we created a
Speaker 2: lot of good memories. So I never really had that
Speaker 2: veil shaking kind of thing happened to me where I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the world differently than most other people. But
Speaker 2: for kids who experience that, this is why within like
Speaker 2: a lot of the mk ulture programs, a lot of
Speaker 2: the torture, the reason behind the torture is to be
Speaker 2: able to shatter that veil so that they are you know,
Speaker 2: so that they can kind of develop like some kind
Speaker 2: of psychic abilities and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And that's basically what MK culture was doing.
Speaker 3: They're basically reverse engineering trauma from like PTSD from war
Speaker 3: and trauma from like child abuse and sexual abuse. But
Speaker 3: that's basically what MKLTR was doing. They're basically trying to
Speaker 3: reverse engineer it and to apply it for whatever practical
Speaker 3: goal they wanted to apply it for. So, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: pretty spot on. And I do think there is something
Speaker 3: to be said about growing up in a dangerous and
Speaker 3: unpredictable environment and increasing some type of you know, psychic abilities.
Speaker 3: You know, you'll just naturally start seeing things before they happen.
Speaker 3: You'll start reading people you know or disassociating, which can
Speaker 3: help you get into a magical trance. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it's I can see that it's a it's a
Speaker 3: common thing. Yeah, for sure, you're.
Speaker 4: Like constantly in some form of survival mode, and because
Speaker 4: of that, you you perceive the world in a different place,
Speaker 4: like just from a different perspective.
Speaker 2: So absolutely, Well I'll give you an example. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure this is a nothing example compared to most other people,
Speaker 2: but like when we were growing up, my dad was
Speaker 2: the you know, he was the the spanker, I'll just
Speaker 2: say that, right, And and he was the more dominant
Speaker 2: of my parents. Nothing wrong with that. I think that
Speaker 2: you need a dominant parent, at least one of them.
Speaker 2: And nothing against my mom, but she was more of
Speaker 2: the nurturer, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so it should be man should take the
Speaker 3: role that the lead in the family, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like, right, and you know what I feel like, whenever
Speaker 2: I moved to Louisiana, those roles were kind of reversed.
Speaker 2: I was like, the mom is the pre dominant one.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 5: Look, boy, I'm gonna tell you what it is.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's this new age shit, and hold on pause.
Speaker 4: I am not saying that women should be under a
Speaker 4: man in any shapeway or form, Okay, I'm saying that
Speaker 4: if you're at least gonna be each other's partner, be
Speaker 4: each other's equal. Okay, But as far as like the disciplinarian,
Speaker 4: I believe that there should be one that's more of
Speaker 4: the heavy hand in one that's more of a nurturer.
Speaker 4: That that doesn't mean one is dominant over the other.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's using words people are gonna get so but hurt
Speaker 4: about it. Some for some reason, in the South, the
Speaker 4: man is the bread winner, but the woman holds the reins.
Speaker 4: And I don't know when this flip flop happened, but.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of Oh, I can guarantee you I know
Speaker 2: whenever it happened. It's because the well, a lot of
Speaker 2: the plant workers they're working shift work, so they're they're
Speaker 2: spending less time with the kids than the mother. So
Speaker 2: the mother kind of has to develop that that heavier hand.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the point of the story is.
Speaker 5: Is I blame.
Speaker 2: We can blame him for a lot of things. Actually,
Speaker 2: but whenever I was a little kid, my dad was
Speaker 2: that guy, you know, And so as a little kid,
Speaker 2: you know, anytime you did something that you weren't supposed
Speaker 2: to do, or you were told not to do, or whatever,
Speaker 2: you already knew who was coming for you, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, who's coming for that ass? And I'm
Speaker 2: appreciative of it now. I didn't like it back then obviously,
Speaker 2: But at that time I developed like this weird keen
Speaker 2: sense of knowing when he's about to come, even if
Speaker 2: I didn't just do something, I like, I would hear
Speaker 2: him coming up the stairs, or I would hear him
Speaker 2: coming across the hallway or something like that. And the
Speaker 2: thing was is, it's not that his steps made a sound,
Speaker 2: it's that literally the frequency in the air itself changed
Speaker 2: to where I knew he was about to show up.
Speaker 2: Because what he would do he would sneak up, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like you ain't about to hear
Speaker 2: my footsteps, like you're I'm gonna surprise bank that ass,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And and but I always
Speaker 2: like sensed it like ten five or ten seconds before
Speaker 2: he actually ever opened the door or whatever, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so maybe that's a yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think that that would I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: comparable to you know, a lot of obviously that's like
Speaker 2: a one percent compared to one hundred percent mk ulture
Speaker 2: kind of shit. But I don't know if that's kind
Speaker 2: of remnants or reminiscent of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think that's uh. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think some people are naturally gefted in certain areas you
Speaker 3: don't like. Some people are just natural athletes. Some people
Speaker 3: just have you know, good book smarts. Other people are
Speaker 3: more spiritual. I mean, uh, some people are really roll
Speaker 3: around it in all of them. So, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just it's just one of those things. But I do
Speaker 3: think growing growing up in a like a dangerous, unpredictable
Speaker 3: environment will enhance your psychic abilities, you know. And but
Speaker 3: it's going to create a lot of psychic distortion too.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a lot of blockages stuff to you
Speaker 3: rump the heel and work through, which is only going
Speaker 3: to catapult you more into a spiritual lifestyle. So it
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's just the way it is, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know. So so after we moved out of
Speaker 3: that that apartment, we're living in this really nice house.
Speaker 3: We had a roommate and I had to kick him
Speaker 3: out of the house. And uh, he was into magic.
Speaker 3: And I didn't really even think he was that into it,
Speaker 3: you know, because because we're both metal heads, you know,
Speaker 3: so we're into yeah, that that kind of imagery already,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you know what I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: and now and then uh, but he ended up putting
Speaker 3: a curse on us, and and that was when, you know,
Speaker 3: because I was like this first dick. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: cause already having like all these spiritual experiences going on
Speaker 3: the body, you know, all this stuff, but you have
Speaker 3: no idea how real magic is until someone puts a
Speaker 3: curse on you, or you put a curse on someone
Speaker 3: and they expire, like, you have no idea how you know,
Speaker 3: because there's a saying that it's all in the head.
Speaker 3: You just have no idea how big your head is.
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's half true. But there's something really
Speaker 3: real and physical about magic. Like I said, when when
Speaker 3: you can take an enemy out three thousand miles away,
Speaker 3: it doesn't get any more real than that. That goes
Speaker 3: beyond law of attraction, that goes beyond the power of prayer.
Speaker 5: You know, legal reasons. I must stress that this time
Speaker 5: cult members.
Speaker 3: Allegedly allegedly you know, you know so, and it's for
Speaker 3: that reason that you know, and this is going to
Speaker 3: be kind of probably triggering for some people, even some
Speaker 3: people are in the magic, but it's almost like like
Speaker 3: beingful magic is almost like the most real form of
Speaker 3: magic when you think of it like that, because everything
Speaker 3: else you could almost write off as law of attraction
Speaker 3: used baneful magic.
Speaker 5: Baneful Yeah, okay, heard that, go ahead, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: So, and then it was like a total shit storm,
Speaker 3: you know, like I mean, all this stuff started happening
Speaker 3: and you could literally feel this entity hunting you down.
Speaker 3: It really reminds me that because you know it's there,
Speaker 3: you know it's standing right over you, but you can't
Speaker 3: see it. And it reminded me of the first Predator movie,
Speaker 3: you know, like the Indian guy that goes out there
Speaker 3: and cuts his chest and you knows the Predator's there
Speaker 3: and everything.
Speaker 2: Well, Billy, dude, so this was demonic?
Speaker 5: Dare I say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So this is the first time I've ever heard
Speaker 4: banefull used.
Speaker 5: So to Jonathan's is this does that mean demonic?
Speaker 3: It means cursing people basically, Usually it's demonic. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, like but there are people that can take
Speaker 3: people out with like angels, you know, like I know,
Speaker 3: a radionics practitioner and his go to guy when he
Speaker 3: needs to take out a bad guy. As Michael so.
Speaker 4: So, baneful magic goes across all different types and realms.
Speaker 4: It could be Nordic, it could be Samarian, whatever, as
Speaker 4: long as it is cursing someone that's classified as baneful magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah totally.
Speaker 5: So now let me ask you on that point.
Speaker 4: Actually, never mind, I want to hear the rest of
Speaker 4: your story. But I have so many questions about so
Speaker 4: many things here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna happen too, man. So uh, you know,
Speaker 3: so on top of like this this total tornado like
Speaker 3: shit storm, on top of all that and just feeling
Speaker 3: and hunting you and everything, all these signs and omens
Speaker 3: started happening. Like six sixty six kept popping up everywhere.
Speaker 3: And it's not that six ' six is like necessarily
Speaker 3: a bad number. It's a number for the sun, but
Speaker 3: it's a convenient way for like the environment to communicate
Speaker 3: with you. And that's another thing about this realm is
Speaker 3: it communicates with each and every one of us on
Speaker 3: a personal level. So start paying attention to signs out there, guys, Uh,
Speaker 3: signs and omens because they're real. And so, I mean,
Speaker 3: everything was six six six like like I clock out
Speaker 3: of work, it'd be like six point sixty six, you know,
Speaker 3: uh uh, you know, you get a bill, and it
Speaker 3: was you know, everything, it was just six six six
Speaker 3: six six six.
Speaker 2: By the way, as you're saying that, it is ten eleven,
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of wants there. Oh nine to
Speaker 2: eleven your time, all right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh. And then on top of that, like
Speaker 3: birds just started flying and crashing into our window. Like
Speaker 3: at home, birds are just flying to the window, flying
Speaker 3: to the window.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: When we would be driving, a bird would just crash
Speaker 3: into the window while we're driving and stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: So then I started, you know, getting back into magic
Speaker 3: and everything. Because you can't go to a doctor and
Speaker 3: have a doctor remove a curse for it. You can't
Speaker 3: go to the cops and be like, hey, you know
Speaker 3: this dipshit put a curse on you know, you can't
Speaker 3: do any of that stuff. You know, you're just you
Speaker 3: just have to figure it out. And so once I started,
Speaker 3: like you know, cleansing myself and vanishing and doing that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, it started going after my girlfriend I noticed,
Speaker 3: and I think it was gonna kill her on the road,
Speaker 3: and but I eventually stopped it, we fixed it, and
Speaker 3: then as soon as we fixed it, all the positive
Speaker 3: omens started coming in, like the very day after next
Speaker 3: day after I broke the curse, like seven seven seven
Speaker 3: seven seven seven started popping up, just as an omen
Speaker 3: on top of all the six You know.
Speaker 2: Is that because it has to balance itself out?
Speaker 3: Well? I think it's just it might be like your spirits,
Speaker 3: your spirit your spiritual backup, because we have like ancestors
Speaker 3: and their spirits to follow us around that like us.
Speaker 3: Some some might not like us. But but everyone has
Speaker 3: like beneficial spirits, you know, whether they have negative entities
Speaker 3: to touch them or not, but everyone pretty much has
Speaker 3: spirits that have their best interests. Might be like what
Speaker 3: people can call a holy guardian angel or your personal
Speaker 3: gin or or whatever.
Speaker 2: But didn't I tell you, Jacob B as far as
Speaker 2: gin can be good guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the first time I've ever heard gin
Speaker 4: being using a good term. Every Islamic person ever heard
Speaker 4: of only refers to gin to only mean demon, and
Speaker 4: again that's from a place of ignorance. If there's other types,
Speaker 4: then great.
Speaker 2: Within the occult it's a little different, I think.
Speaker 5: So within the inverse it's different. Yeah, well that makes sense.
Speaker 3: We'll get into gen in a little bit. So then
Speaker 3: from there, you know, once you feel how real it
Speaker 3: Once I felt how real it was, then I was
Speaker 3: like all in, Like it consumed me. I stopped researching
Speaker 3: conspiracies and I was just like consuming every book, everything
Speaker 3: I could possibly get my hands on. I was practicing
Speaker 3: a lot, you know, and yeah, and then uh, you know,
Speaker 3: so then I kind of got into it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: It was really like dissecting the action, because yeah, when
Speaker 3: you feel how real it is, you're not just doing
Speaker 3: it like some of the witchcraft people and the way
Speaker 3: people and new Agers neo pagans, they they say they
Speaker 3: do magic, but they don't really do magic, you know.
Speaker 3: Like I was actually like, you know, dissecting the techniques
Speaker 3: and perfecting them, getting into you know, like just making
Speaker 3: offerings to local spirits, learning the art of evocation when
Speaker 3: you can summon a spirit to full manifestation in front
Speaker 3: of you, and just really just going hard in the
Speaker 3: paint on everything that I could get my hands on.
Speaker 5: And about what timeframe was this year wise?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, fourteen, twenty fourteen, Yeah, I wou guess about fourteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so my next question is you said books.
Speaker 4: Were you online looking stuff up or you actually just
Speaker 4: getting hard copies for which one?
Speaker 3: And why I was? I was mostly because I don't
Speaker 3: like reading books on the computer. Man, I just don't
Speaker 3: like it, you know, that actual way it makes my
Speaker 3: ice feels and stuff. And I like having a book
Speaker 3: in my hand and then you can like lay down
Speaker 3: on the couch and move around, you know, you can
Speaker 3: walk around or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I've heard so many people say us actual readers like
Speaker 4: having a book and it's like a whole thing, and
Speaker 4: then it gets to its own collective status with the
Speaker 4: covers and the first editions and you know, yeah, so
Speaker 4: you're that type of guy you actually like books in
Speaker 4: your hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And yeah, man, I was just consuming everything and
Speaker 3: get my hands on. And this is one of the
Speaker 3: issues when trying to learn magic, because for one, you know,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to sound like pompous or talk
Speaker 3: a lot of crap about people, but a lot of
Speaker 3: the spiritual community community are a complete fucking joke, Like
Speaker 3: a lot of them are, you know, And then it's oversaturated,
Speaker 3: like you don't even know which way to look.
Speaker 4: Can you break that down a little deeper? As a
Speaker 4: way to not piss off everybody?
Speaker 5: What do you mean, per.
Speaker 2: Se And by the way, that's exactly what Nicholas de
Speaker 2: vere was saying as well.
Speaker 5: Agreed.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I am, as a Christian say that
Speaker 4: most Christians quote unquote out there are full of shit. Okay,
Speaker 4: So like I'm I'm with you as far as calling
Speaker 4: spades fucking spades when you see them.
Speaker 5: Okay. So you're sayings or is a spiritual community, You're
Speaker 5: saying most of it's bullshit? In what way? Brother?
Speaker 3: Well? I mean, you know, so for one, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of superstition, and a lot and a lot of
Speaker 3: the superstition is kind of like around there's like some
Speaker 3: gatekeeping involved, like uh, I mean, let's let's take the
Speaker 3: New Ages because they're kind of easy to poke at.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking shit about the New Ages because like
Speaker 3: there are legit New Agers out there, and there are
Speaker 3: some good stuff in there, like you know, like like
Speaker 3: yoga is really awesome, you know, and there is something
Speaker 3: to the law of attraction. But these people that want
Speaker 3: to be like all love and light and all it
Speaker 3: is is like spiritual like gas lighting spiritual bypassing, you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, and it's like all they think if
Speaker 3: that they're going to manifest something negative by thinking about negative.
Speaker 3: So instead of like researching something that's important that we're
Speaker 3: all talking about, like sake conspiracies or something, right, you know,
Speaker 3: they won't even look at that stuff because they don't
Speaker 3: want to manifest it. And what they don't understand is like,
Speaker 3: because you know, there's a say saying that energy goes
Speaker 3: where attention flows, or energy flows or attention goes. Oh uh,
Speaker 3: And that's true. But what's even more true when it
Speaker 3: comes to law of attraction is what you resist will persist.
Speaker 3: Like if you're.
Speaker 4: Sitting there like say that one again a little louder
Speaker 4: for those in the backs.
Speaker 3: Are what you resist will persist, damn. You know, like
Speaker 3: if you don't actually fix the problem and you're just
Speaker 3: running away from stuff, and if you're not willing to
Speaker 3: accept the world for what it is, you're gonna manifest
Speaker 3: it ten times harder and make it way worse for yourself.
Speaker 3: And these people, like I said, they're all love and light,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what they think the world is,
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure the world is not kindergarten where
Speaker 3: we sit around finger painting, licking, barning, the dinosaurs vagina
Speaker 3: all day. That's not life, you know.
Speaker 5: I hear these people all the time, and like.
Speaker 2: Bit a second, he had a vagina. I didn't know this.
Speaker 4: Uh okay, I guess in certain preschools, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, depending on you know which coast you're on.
Speaker 4: I supots I I don't know, you know, especially these days.
Speaker 3: But you don't want to assume, you know, right RIGHTO.
Speaker 5: Oh God, mind can have periods, I guess. But whatever.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So to your point, though, I'm with you. I
Speaker 4: hear what you're saying.
Speaker 5: And and this is not me trying to take my
Speaker 5: jab in that community either, but I hear the people
Speaker 5: saying that, oh, all we need is to get a
Speaker 5: collective group to all just put positivity out and we
Speaker 5: can manifest a whole new world, a better world, and
Speaker 5: this and that and the third.
Speaker 4: And it's like that's a beautiful thought, but I just
Speaker 4: don't actually ever see it happening, and so it's like
Speaker 4: a it's it seems like pissing in the wind, so
Speaker 4: to speak.
Speaker 2: Well, funny story. I had actually gotten a channeled message
Speaker 2: one time, and I don't think I've ever said this before,
Speaker 2: but it was by a witch, so take with that
Speaker 2: as you will. And this witch I was getting this
Speaker 2: channeled message supposedly from an ancestor or spirit guide or
Speaker 2: whatever that basically said that like, look, you're you're dabbling
Speaker 2: only in the love and the light part. So it's
Speaker 2: funny that you bring that up, she goes, you still
Speaker 2: got to incorporate a little bit of darkness, like and
Speaker 2: it's not to say that you need to be evil
Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's more so just aware and
Speaker 2: not being basically, like, think about it like this, Like
Speaker 2: there's the old saying of don't mistake my kindness for weakness.
Speaker 2: But you know, whenever you're in that love and light
Speaker 2: kind of situation, you're only kind and you're only expecting
Speaker 2: the best, and you're hoping to manifest all these good things. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: like that's not how the world works. The world is
Speaker 2: a balance of good and bad, Like it's a balance
Speaker 2: of every single thing. So yeah, whenever you're looking at
Speaker 2: everything hoping that just you know, shed pure light on it, like,
Speaker 2: that's not how it is. So I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you know, like a lot of Abrahamic
Speaker 3: religions like they kind of view spirituality in a very
Speaker 3: polarized lens, and that does bleed into other occult practices,
Speaker 3: you know, like you see especially like in like Wicca,
Speaker 3: you see like a lot of that bleeding, that polarization
Speaker 3: in the Abrahamic religions because you know, they want to say,
Speaker 3: like everything's evil and everything's evil and these spirits are
Speaker 3: evil and and you got to look at it like
Speaker 3: I look at it, like, I mean, first of all,
Speaker 3: how do you even define evil or alligators evil or
Speaker 3: crocodile's evil? You know, is it evil that the slowest
Speaker 3: zebra gets eaten by the lions? You know, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: we just kind of have this inferior understanding of the
Speaker 3: world and we and we associate, you know, we put
Speaker 3: these kind of prejudices on the spirit realm too, you know.
Speaker 3: And and nothing is really like that, you know, like
Speaker 3: some good people do bad things, some bad people do
Speaker 3: good things. You know, It's just how it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not all Disney. No, you know, you can't
Speaker 2: look at somebody and be like, oh, they look evil, like,
Speaker 2: because that's nine times out of ten you're going to
Speaker 2: be wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and only half of those Christians out there
Speaker 4: also Listen, dude, I'm with you. I don't like how
Speaker 4: so many people of my faith just immediately assume that
Speaker 4: everything pagan must be derived from Satan, right, And you
Speaker 4: can explain that oh so easily away in a nice
Speaker 4: little package with a pretty bow on it by saying, oh,
Speaker 4: demons had sex with humans, gave birth to Nephelom.
Speaker 5: Those are the pagan gods they worship. Boom boom, it's Satan. There.
Speaker 5: I just proved it. It's like, dude, you.
Speaker 4: Just took away like ten thousand years of an entire
Speaker 4: region of Earth's whole culture and who they are and
Speaker 4: what makes them them in two sentences. And that's like,
Speaker 4: that is just incorrect.
Speaker 2: Well and also conversely too, the same thing goes for
Speaker 2: Hinduism and Buddhism and Daoism. Like that's not evil stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you can separate the deities and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but just the philosophy behind them is not.
Speaker 2: That's not evil stuff, right, you know?
Speaker 3: So oh and well, I guess before we get into this,
Speaker 3: I want to finish what I was talking about. But
Speaker 3: you know, the uh and like with like Wicca and
Speaker 3: some of the witchcraft people they have like this like,
Speaker 3: uh law three where if you like dish out some
Speaker 3: negativity is going to come back to you threefold. But
Speaker 3: it's actually a missus. It's actually a misunderstanding. It's not
Speaker 3: true at all, and it actually comes from like the
Speaker 3: second initiation I believe in WICCA. And it's actually like
Speaker 3: if someone harms you, you're supposed to send it back
Speaker 3: to them threefold. Like if someone hits you once, you
Speaker 3: hit them three times.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: If someone hits you nine times, you hit them twenty
Speaker 3: seven times, you know.
Speaker 5: But that's gonna come back at them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. So it's kind of a misunderstanding. And
Speaker 3: uh and then like I said, a lot of it's
Speaker 3: not even their fault like it. And there's also like
Speaker 3: a lot of chicks in the magic. And I'm not
Speaker 3: talking crap about chicks that are really in the magic,
Speaker 3: because there are some really legit in the magical community
Speaker 3: for sure, but a lot of people that kind of
Speaker 3: get into magic, especially some of the chicks, not all
Speaker 3: of them. Just just to clarify that for people listening,
Speaker 3: because I don't want to come off as you know,
Speaker 3: sexist or discriminating or anything, but a lot of them
Speaker 3: kind of like the pageantry of it, the image and
Speaker 3: the aesthetic of it.
Speaker 5: The emo goth queen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like you know, they're like they're into crystals.
Speaker 3: They'll have like a little salt lamp in the background,
Speaker 3: you know, and you know they call themselves witches. But
Speaker 3: you know, and that's not all of them. Like I said,
Speaker 3: they're some legit and like I said, they that's where
Speaker 3: there are that moment. They might eventually grow and move
Speaker 3: on to bigger and better things. Everyone starts from somewhere.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you this, and because we've had this
Speaker 4: conversation and apparently this is a conversation that's been had
Speaker 4: since like the fifteen hundreds, you being active in the
Speaker 4: magic community, why do you personally believe and this is
Speaker 4: just your opinion, no, no shade thrown away or another,
Speaker 4: why do you personally believe that the magic community is
Speaker 4: more dominantly women centric or there's typically more women that
Speaker 4: are quote unquote into it than men or all of that.
Speaker 4: Do you believe it's purely esthetic reasons? Do you believe
Speaker 4: that they may have a more natural uh connection to it?
Speaker 4: Where are you at with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So there's a lot of ways to look at this, uh,
Speaker 3: and I guess I'll break down like the higher minded
Speaker 3: philosophy aspect of it is, you know, like like I
Speaker 3: think men are like the physical embodiment and representation of
Speaker 3: the Creator in this realm, and I think women are
Speaker 3: the physical representation of the earth matrix and nature in
Speaker 3: this realm, you know. And so like when they see
Speaker 3: something that's more focusing on uh nature and the seasons
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, I think they gravitory it
Speaker 3: data towards Uh. Yeah, I think the gravitate towards it.
Speaker 3: And then there's also you know, like their chicks and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, there is like a patriarchal thing going on
Speaker 3: where they see like this goddess worship, you know, and
Speaker 3: everything it resonates with them more than something like the
Speaker 3: patriarchy does, you know. And there is some feminism in it,
Speaker 3: you know, like especially like the Dianic Wika and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. So there's a lot of stuff going on there.
Speaker 2: They're also like a lot more empathetic as well.
Speaker 3: Like women are naturally more psychic than men. I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, I think.
Speaker 4: You always look these cultures around the world, although patriarchal
Speaker 4: and nature priestesses were always of a wrung all to
Speaker 4: their own, of a very very high regard pretty much
Speaker 4: in all cultures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, you know, so like it's women are
Speaker 3: also naturally more psychic than men are, like like just
Speaker 3: like right out from the womb. I think when men
Speaker 3: pursue something like magic, I think I think all the
Speaker 3: best sorcerers in the world are most of them, like
Speaker 3: you know, eighty percent of them probably are men. And
Speaker 3: even though women have a better natural ability at it,
Speaker 3: men have this thing where we geek out on stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, like we just want to master it from everything,
Speaker 3: you know, Like it's just one of those things. You know.
Speaker 3: We don't just drive cars. We want to learn how
Speaker 3: to fix a car and work on it and then
Speaker 3: soup it up and see how fast it can go.
Speaker 5: You know. Men find their hobby and just stick to it,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: I feel that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all have artism. Okay, we get to choose
Speaker 4: a special interest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the benefit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just geek out on stuff. We just nerd
Speaker 3: out on it, you know.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's my theory on that part because because because
Speaker 3: like I said, women do have a more natural ability
Speaker 3: to it, and women are also more natural, like having
Speaker 3: natural spiritual thing going on, you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's not uncommon for a chick to feel someone
Speaker 3: die before they even heard that they passed away, or
Speaker 3: feel that something's wrong before they know it's wrong. You know,
Speaker 3: it's really common that maternal instincts, you know, and you
Speaker 3: know when you look at too, like when I was
Speaker 3: talking about how like men are are the representation of
Speaker 3: the creator. You know, we have that creative and destructive
Speaker 3: force of the creator where you know, when you look
Speaker 3: at like the matrix, like the Earth matrix, and that's
Speaker 3: like that's a that's a female term matrix, like like maternity,
Speaker 3: you know. So so I think, you know, it's also
Speaker 3: like when you look at how we give birth to
Speaker 3: you know, men, men supply the divine spark of life,
Speaker 3: and women supply the prima materia again material material, matrix, maternal.
Speaker 3: You know, you see how these words all kind of
Speaker 3: you know, coalesce with each other well.
Speaker 2: And it also even says like in the Bible that
Speaker 2: you know, whenever somebody is born, they come through the matrix, right,
Speaker 2: like that's the embryotic sect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so I think that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3: And and like I said, there are some there are
Speaker 3: some women out there that are not to be messed with.
Speaker 3: They are very good at magic, you know. But but
Speaker 3: I still think men do a better job at learning it,
Speaker 3: mastering it, perfecting it, you know. Okay, but women have
Speaker 3: a better natural ability. And when you have a natural
Speaker 3: ability as something, it's easy to kind of slack off
Speaker 3: and not study as much and not try to perfect
Speaker 3: the techniques as much when you have when you already
Speaker 3: have a natural ability to it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, the people that got to
Speaker 2: work for it a little bit, you know, they tend
Speaker 2: to be better at certain things. I get that. So like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's get into a little bit more
Speaker 2: of because I do want to ask a bunch of
Speaker 2: like good questions, and you know a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: pertaining to you know, your knowledge of magic and how
Speaker 2: it's even being used today. But was there any more
Speaker 2: to that story, your story that you wanted to cover?
Speaker 4: We got till about twenty fourteen. You were digesting every
Speaker 4: book you can get your hands on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was getting really good at it, probably around
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, I think, maybe even twenty eighteen, I think
Speaker 3: it was twenty seventeen is when I stumbled on an
Speaker 3: interview by this guy he was part of like the
Speaker 3: Remote Viewing Project programs, and he was in Naval intelligence,
Speaker 3: Jeff Harvey, and and that was my introduction into radionics.
Speaker 3: And and then I was like, wow, dude, this guy
Speaker 3: is legit because I'm like learning all this stuff at
Speaker 3: the first time, and he's really applying it towards like
Speaker 3: healing and all that stuff. And I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I got I gotta learn more about this guy before
Speaker 3: they kill him. And I go and google his name,
Speaker 3: and he had just died like two months before I
Speaker 3: right before I google his name, died like two months earlier,
Speaker 3: and so or maybe even like a little bit sooner.
Speaker 3: And so you were you paying attention when like all
Speaker 3: those holistic doctors were dying, those natural pass and holistic
Speaker 3: doctors were dying from like twenty fourteen, maybe even twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: I think it was like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen till
Speaker 3: like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: No, there was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: There was like two hundred of them. There is a
Speaker 3: lot of like murder suicides and all different just dying suspiciously.
Speaker 3: Some of them there the family, the whole family was
Speaker 3: killed and stuff. Whoa And when twenty twenty happened, suddenly,
Speaker 3: you know, it became clear what the deal was. A lot.
Speaker 3: But he was like number ten or twelve on the
Speaker 3: list or eight or something, is what someone said. Now
Speaker 3: I don't even know if that's true. But there was
Speaker 3: nothing about his death when I first was looking into it,
Speaker 3: and I haven't really looked into it since. But a
Speaker 3: bunch of the people that were following him thought that
Speaker 3: he was part of that wave of holistic doctors in
Speaker 3: natural paths that ended up dead.
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, yeah, of course you're going to see that, Like,
Speaker 2: especially from Big Pharma. It's the reason why the rife
Speaker 2: machine isn't didn't make a comeback until recently. Like all
Speaker 2: these other different healing modalities call him therapeutic, I guess
Speaker 2: with quotations, but like they're you know, and you start
Speaker 2: to see like a lot of people are starting to
Speaker 2: become a lot more interested in the natural healing ways,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, certain roots or certain herbs or
Speaker 2: whatever that. Like, people are starting to get back to
Speaker 2: that because it's never been more evident now that Big
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical they're they're worried about their bottom line. They're worried
Speaker 2: about their bottom dollar. And whenever you can get the
Speaker 2: CDC and the World Health Organization working collectively together to
Speaker 2: push a fucking experimental drug and saying that it's mandatory
Speaker 2: and not allowing people to do certain things, you know, like,
Speaker 2: that's that's a monopoly. And they've they've done very well
Speaker 2: for themselves to create this monopoly of power. And you know,
Speaker 2: I just I think it's it's not a good look.
Speaker 2: Whenever you can see the head of Pfizer, you know,
Speaker 2: just change teams and go work for the World Health Organization,
Speaker 2: or the head of Morderna, you know, change teams and
Speaker 2: go work for the CDC, It's like, oh, so you
Speaker 2: guys are really all working in cahoots together.
Speaker 4: Then oh, Bro, I just looked up the article that
Speaker 4: he's talked or at least one of the section that
Speaker 4: he's talking about. Here, Bro, six doctors are all found
Speaker 4: within a few months of each other. That one article
Speaker 4: was from twenty fifteen. All of them were practicing holistic medicine.
Speaker 4: Two we're in California, like four we're in Miami. Holy shit, No,
Speaker 4: I completely missed this one.
Speaker 3: Bro Yeah, and it was going on for a few years,
Speaker 3: and this is the perfect segue to get into radionics.
Speaker 3: So radionics kind of came out about and like nineteen fifteen,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighteen, I think it was like nineteen eighteen. This
Speaker 3: doctor Abrams was using as sthtisio on a patient and
Speaker 3: he would notice that a healthy oregon would resonate really well,
Speaker 3: had like a really healthy thud to it, where a
Speaker 3: diseased oregon had a really flat note to it. And
Speaker 3: from there he started kind of building on it. And
Speaker 3: that's kind of like where a radionics first kind of starts.
Speaker 3: But then people started actually developing it into what we
Speaker 3: see like today with radiomics, where you're using like amplifiers
Speaker 3: and dials it kind of like almost like a radio.
Speaker 3: And within a few years there was like thirty thousand
Speaker 3: doctors in America, forty thousand doctors in America using radionics,
Speaker 3: and they weren't just treating patients and healing them with it,
Speaker 3: but they were also able to diagnose them and they
Speaker 3: were doing it remotely, and then as soon as the
Speaker 3: FDA found out about it, they threw them all in prison.
Speaker 3: A bunch of the doctors actually died in prison. It
Speaker 3: was a real serious deal. They confiscated all the machines
Speaker 3: or as many as they could get their hands on
Speaker 3: and destroy them. And that's kind of where radions kind
Speaker 3: of starts. So radionics kind of starts off as a conspiracy,
Speaker 3: which is kind of fascinating about it. And now there
Speaker 3: are a couple of radionics doctors and.
Speaker 2: And yeah, this is the radionics machine for all the
Speaker 2: Patroon and rock Fin members. I want to see exactly
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here. This is what it looks like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds very similar to the Rife machines that
Speaker 4: we do, but it sounds like a different type though
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: Well, Royal Raymond Rife was doing something a lot more advanced,
Speaker 3: you know. So. But there was a couple of doctors
Speaker 3: in the UK, in like London or England or something,
Speaker 3: and they were they were on trial for using radionics.
Speaker 3: And if you want to call it, like as luck
Speaker 3: would have it, the judge's wife had cancer and then
Speaker 3: the doctors were like, well, do you mind if we
Speaker 3: take a crack at it? And he was like, dude,
Speaker 3: at this point, I'll try anything, you know. So the
Speaker 3: judge gave them a witness sample for the wife, probably
Speaker 3: a piece of hair or something, and they totally got
Speaker 3: rid of her cancer. And then the judge was like
Speaker 3: so thankful he dropped all the charges and but then
Speaker 3: it was just kind of kind of forgotten about a
Speaker 3: little bit for a while. They started being used again.
Speaker 3: Well I guess before that, Uh, this this rocket scientist
Speaker 3: that worked for JPL Jet Propulsions or Jack Parsons, you know,
Speaker 3: because some people call JPL Jack Parsons. Right, Yeah, he
Speaker 3: heard about radionics. He didn't believe in it, but his
Speaker 3: daughter had like broken out like warts all over her face,
Speaker 3: and so he built a small wishing machine. It had
Speaker 3: no dials or anything. It just had input plate, an
Speaker 3: amplifier and a antenna and he just put a picture
Speaker 3: of his daughter before she had the warts, like when
Speaker 3: her face was all healthy, and he focuses his intent
Speaker 3: on it and turned it on and within like three
Speaker 3: weeks all the warts went away. And then he was like,
Speaker 3: because you know, you gotta imagine being like a science
Speaker 3: a rocket scientist, you're like a materialist, a scientist. You
Speaker 3: don't believe in anything, and all of a sudden it's like,
Speaker 3: well that's weird, and so he wrote a few books
Speaker 3: on it, or a book on it, Mind Machines you
Speaker 3: Can Build being the popular one, it still didn't really
Speaker 3: kind of get a whole lot of buzz. And then
Speaker 3: later on, I think it was like the sixties, it
Speaker 3: started being used for agriculture, so people would take like
Speaker 3: a can of petsicide, put it on the input plate,
Speaker 3: and then like a picture of the crop on the
Speaker 3: output play and dial a rate and turn it on
Speaker 3: and get rid of the insects. But then they discovered
Speaker 3: that you didn't need a can of peticide at all.
Speaker 3: All you needed was a picture of a can of pesticide,
Speaker 3: you know, and then you get rid of the insects.
Speaker 3: And so in the like late seventies maybe eighties, a
Speaker 3: ceremonial magician by the name of Charles Cosymno. He was
Speaker 3: the guy that took radionix and was like discovered. He
Speaker 3: was like, holy crap, I could really fuck some stuff
Speaker 3: up with this, so he started doing He was the guy.
Speaker 3: He was the guy that started applying it, using it
Speaker 3: as like a wishing machine, applying it towards magic. And
Speaker 3: he's also the first guy to weaponize it. So he
Speaker 3: was kind of a pariah for a long time in
Speaker 3: the radiois community. But now I think they see him
Speaker 3: more as a pioneer. I think he's kind of finally
Speaker 3: more accepted. But for a while there he was kind
Speaker 3: of a pariah because he was like, you know, he
Speaker 3: used it for good too, but you know he uh,
Speaker 3: he did some things.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, you could see how random history.
Speaker 3: You know, the rest is history after that.
Speaker 2: So can you explain to us and the good cult
Speaker 2: members out there exactly what a radionics machine does? Like,
Speaker 2: all right, are we talking about a a literal magic
Speaker 2: wishing machine? Does it amplify things? Like exactly how does
Speaker 2: that even work? And does it does intention? Do you
Speaker 2: have to have intention in order to be able to
Speaker 2: use it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so some of the old schoolers might argue with it,
Speaker 3: But in its simplest form, radionics is a thought form amplifier.
Speaker 3: In its simplest form, you know, it's uh, it's by
Speaker 3: far the easiest way to get effective results in using
Speaker 3: like magic and spirituality. You know, it's by far the
Speaker 3: easiest way. You know, it's like a crockpile. You just
Speaker 3: set it and then you forget it, you know. So,
Speaker 3: but when you apply it with magic you know such
Speaker 3: it's like, wow, yeah, because I get my best results
Speaker 3: when I combine magic with radionics. But yeah, in as
Speaker 3: simple as form, it's a thought form amplifier.
Speaker 2: Okay, So before people started using it for magic, people
Speaker 2: were doing it for pesticides and to get rid of
Speaker 2: you know, warts on somebody's face, or to get rid
Speaker 2: of cancer, Like exactly how would that have worked.
Speaker 3: The same way? So the old schoolers, you know, when
Speaker 3: they dialed a raid, they thought that the rate was
Speaker 3: like really important. Where it's like you're dialing a frequency
Speaker 3: and that frequency is what was doing the work. And
Speaker 3: you know, after using these machines for so long, I
Speaker 3: don't think that's what's going on. I do think it's
Speaker 3: your intent, and I think the dials are just like
Speaker 3: a like a placemarker, like a bookmark for your intent.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm a little lost here, fish out of
Speaker 5: water on this one. So help me out here.
Speaker 4: Let's say that I buy a radium mix machine for myself.
Speaker 5: I opened the box, I set it up. How do
Speaker 5: I use this device?
Speaker 4: How do I make this make something happen for me?
Speaker 5: Without magic?
Speaker 3: All Right? It's real simple? Uh? I wish I had
Speaker 3: one here, so I could just kind of walk you
Speaker 3: through it, but I don't have one here.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a little familiar with some of how this works, right,
Speaker 4: so we sell rife machines through Real Rife Technology promo
Speaker 4: code call to check out everybody. But so I understand
Speaker 4: as far as like frequency resonating, how this works at
Speaker 4: that level, but I'm a little lost on how intent
Speaker 4: works with this. So is there like a plate where
Speaker 4: I put like a picture of something and ite like,
Speaker 4: oh wait, like for legit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have an input plate and you have an
Speaker 3: output plate, and then you have a stick plate. But uh,
Speaker 3: like the what's the machine that Johnson pulled up? Uh
Speaker 3: that just has uh the output plate is the stick plate.
Speaker 3: And by stick I mean it's like a form of doubting.
Speaker 3: So you put whatever your intent is like something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so for anybody who's listening right now instead of watching,
Speaker 4: first of all, you should be checking us out of Patreon.
Speaker 5: A rock fence. You can see this for yourself.
Speaker 4: But we're looking at a wooden box. We got five
Speaker 4: dials on it. We have a copper ish colored plate,
Speaker 4: a white plate, and a black plate over there, and
Speaker 4: there's a wire connecting it, So walk me through it here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the copper play is your input plate and
Speaker 3: with the with the ones where you have where the
Speaker 3: output plate is a stick plate. You're gonna put something
Speaker 3: that represents your goal on the input plate and then
Speaker 3: something that represents the target on the input plate at first,
Speaker 3: and then you just rub your finger. You clear your
Speaker 3: mind for a second, focus on your intent, maybe even
Speaker 3: speak it out loud, but then you rub your finger.
Speaker 3: I use the side of my thumb, but most people
Speaker 3: just use either their index or middle finger. You rub
Speaker 3: it across the stick plate and then you dial the
Speaker 3: the you know, turn the right, and then right when
Speaker 3: it gets to the right spot, it'll stick. And by stick,
Speaker 3: I means it kind of skips over the surface, like
Speaker 3: when you're rubbing your hands over a balloon or something.
Speaker 5: Right, okay, Evan.
Speaker 3: You just sit it there and keep it and then
Speaker 3: you do the next dial, next dial, next dial, next dial,
Speaker 3: and then you move the witness sample that represents your
Speaker 3: target and put it on the stick plate, which is
Speaker 3: the output plate, and then just turn it on.
Speaker 4: And so what are you looking for on that second
Speaker 4: and third dial?
Speaker 5: Right? I get you're rubbing.
Speaker 4: You're rubbing then when you finally feel a little bit
Speaker 4: of some friction like a rubber yeah, like balloon like
Speaker 4: you're talking about, then you move to the next dial
Speaker 4: and you're feeling for what on that next one, the
Speaker 4: same thing, same thing. Okay, So you do that through
Speaker 4: all dials until they are all dialed into whatever you're
Speaker 4: trying to make happen.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Say, you're basically trying to create the like as much
Speaker 2: friction on on this plate as you possibly can through
Speaker 2: the use of these dials.
Speaker 4: I'm with you, all right, all right. So once you
Speaker 4: get it completely dialed in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you move the witness sample that represents the
Speaker 3: target it could be you or a friend or whatever,
Speaker 3: over to the output plate and then turn it on. Now,
Speaker 3: I prefer like the machines I make for myself. I
Speaker 3: put a copper output plate, and I don't even use
Speaker 3: a stick play. I've been doing it long enough to
Speaker 3: where I don't even use a stickplate. I can just
Speaker 3: feel that click. But the I also have like a
Speaker 3: I think I have it on my page if Jonathan
Speaker 3: wants to pull it up. I have a four dial
Speaker 3: machine that has the two copper right there. Boom that
Speaker 3: has the two copper copper intuplate, copper output plate, and
Speaker 3: then a small stick plate at the bottom.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So, and here's here's one of the interesting things about Uh,
Speaker 3: if I do it like this, then I don't. I'll
Speaker 3: leave the witness sample that represents the target and I'll
Speaker 3: leave it on the output plate and then I and
Speaker 3: then I just dial on my rate. That's why I
Speaker 3: like it better, because I don't like dialing it with
Speaker 3: the target on the input and then moving it over
Speaker 3: to the output. I prefer just having the input and
Speaker 3: then the output dial my rate, boom, turn it on,
Speaker 3: is what I prefer.
Speaker 5: So real quick, are you building these boxes?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I'm an electrician and an instrument tech, so I'm
Speaker 4: very curious what those dials are connected to.
Speaker 3: Uh, just you know, wire circuits, amplifier crystals, Okay, crystal
Speaker 3: The crystals are kind of the important part really because
Speaker 3: and as already you get into that, so I'm glad
Speaker 3: you brought it up. The machines get stronger the more
Speaker 3: you use them, and and and they get smarter too,
Speaker 3: and and I think a lot of that. So basically,
Speaker 3: like if you were to buy a machine for me
Speaker 3: or some other vendor. Uh, it's gonna be like way
Speaker 3: noticeably stronger after like three, six, maybe nine months later,
Speaker 3: you know, depending on how much you use it. But
Speaker 3: like the machine you first buy is not going to
Speaker 3: be the machine you end up with, It's going to
Speaker 3: be much better the more you use it.
Speaker 4: So you have each of these dials connected through a
Speaker 4: series of amplifiers in circuitry going through Paiezo crystals. They
Speaker 4: give off their own resistance and voltage, and you have
Speaker 4: that connected to the plate that you rub your finger on. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so how much ampage is going to the crystal if
Speaker 4: you don't mind me asking, or I mean give or take.
Speaker 4: I know each one's probably died in a little differently.
Speaker 4: But we're talking about a range of like twenty four
Speaker 4: or you go into thirty.
Speaker 5: What are we talking about here?
Speaker 3: It's not a whole lot. It's not much different than
Speaker 3: like a distortion pedal. Okay now, but it depends, you know,
Speaker 3: because I make beefier boxes, Like this particular machine has
Speaker 3: a smaller amp and a nine volt power supply, but
Speaker 3: I make beefier ones too, I got you, But you know,
Speaker 3: the the nine volt ones, especially because I use pretty
Speaker 3: good amplifiers. I don't use anything from China or anything.
Speaker 3: They're really good amplifiers. They just because it's nine volts
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's like Woodsie, you know.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 4: Like I'm telling you, how dude, ten volts DC will
Speaker 4: lighto ass up.
Speaker 5: Like I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not throwing shade in any regard. And I never
Speaker 4: said that was a good electrician.
Speaker 5: I got bit a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was fine, man, But I'm just saying like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and they were great. Now, there there are like machines
Speaker 3: out there that are really expensive, that are like higher end,
Speaker 3: and uh, I kind of prefer like the basic like
Speaker 3: wishing machine style, like the ones that I make a
Speaker 3: little bit more, because you know, for the price of
Speaker 3: one of the more expensive machines, you could have like
Speaker 3: ten of these, and I guarantee you ten of these
Speaker 3: will destroy I mean you could wage war with ten
Speaker 3: of these, you know what I mean? Oh man, you
Speaker 3: could wage a small war. And some people will mess
Speaker 3: with the weather just for fun, like some people will
Speaker 3: call storms. I know a couple of radionics practitioners that
Speaker 3: that messed up a damn out in China, you know,
Speaker 3: just for fun.
Speaker 4: Okay, hold on, so how much would this box cost me?
Speaker 4: This exact set up? The copper, the copper, the four dial.
Speaker 5: The whole nine.
Speaker 3: This one I have set for three and thirty. But
Speaker 3: depending on the person, you know, I give discounts and stuff,
Speaker 3: depending especially if they live in the US, because it's
Speaker 3: a lot easier to ship and I get you know,
Speaker 3: all that, and then you know, so it really just depends.
Speaker 3: The nine dial ones are three nine dial Yeah, the
Speaker 3: seven dial and nine dial ones, they're actually a little
Speaker 3: bit stronger, even if they're the same amplifier and the
Speaker 3: same amount of you know, voltage and everything. It's weird
Speaker 3: that the seven and nine dial ones are a little
Speaker 3: bit stronger. I still prefer using the four and five
Speaker 3: dials the best, you know, because just because they're easier.
Speaker 3: And I already have a bunch of boxes. So if
Speaker 3: I'm like dialing a bunch of raids and I program
Speaker 3: a lot of I don't have any in here. I
Speaker 3: got an empty one right here. But I program like
Speaker 3: a lot of vigil candles for my magic work. I
Speaker 3: probably get my fastest results doing that.
Speaker 5: You programmed them, he said, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just like I'm doing on this demonstration right here on
Speaker 3: programming that pendant.
Speaker 5: Okay, is that some would say charging a crystal.
Speaker 3: Oh way better than that. Yeah, but yeah, charging a crystal,
Speaker 3: same thing, same concept, but this is on a different level. Sure.
Speaker 2: So all right, So in this specific example that we're
Speaker 2: looking at, are you trying to basically enhance this crystal
Speaker 2: through the energy of this Tarot card?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think I have a wealth card under it.
Speaker 3: So that's a luxury card from the Crowley deck. Uh.
Speaker 3: And that's a really nice pendant too. It's all silver.
Speaker 2: No thing's badass.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, So all right, so right here I'm
Speaker 3: wearing I'll put it right up in there a Lapis
Speaker 3: Lazuli silver and I need to polish it because it's
Speaker 3: it's kind of a little worn out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that thing is sick, yeah in it.
Speaker 3: So I call this my super Jupiter pendant. And what
Speaker 3: I did was I did an eva of a bunch
Speaker 3: of Jupiterian spirits. So I did an evocation of Sakiel,
Speaker 3: the the planetary angel for Jupiter, Joe fil and and
Speaker 3: his Mael, the intelligence and spirit of Jupiter Zeus, and
Speaker 3: then bath Or the Olympic spirit of Jupiter. So I
Speaker 3: did a full evocation of all these and then I
Speaker 3: concentrated it. But then I used five six six radionics
Speaker 3: machines to program it after I consecrated it, because I'll
Speaker 3: do like a formal concentration and then I'll use the machines.
Speaker 3: So the first machine I had in daisy chained. So
Speaker 3: you saw those jacks on the on the radiotics machine, right,
Speaker 3: You can connect those to other machines and daisy chain
Speaker 3: and you can do some really cool stuff with that.
Speaker 3: And so the first machine was the power supply and
Speaker 3: I used a picture of Jupiter, the magic square of
Speaker 3: Jupiter and the seal of Jupiter, and then it was Sakiel.
Speaker 3: The next machine was his male, next machine Joe Flu,
Speaker 3: next machine Zeus, and the next one was bath Or
Speaker 3: and then depend on the outside and then I programmed it.
Speaker 3: So I did this on the planetary day and the
Speaker 3: planetary hour of Jupiter, and then I finished it on
Speaker 3: the planetary day and planetary hour in Jupiter. But then
Speaker 3: after I programmed it, I locked it in. And this
Speaker 3: is one of the cool things when it comes to
Speaker 3: talismans with radionics, is you can lock in your program
Speaker 3: so that you can wear your talisman out in the
Speaker 3: sun or swim in the ocean with it, or have
Speaker 3: it go through like an X ray machine without any
Speaker 3: retardation done to the program, to the concentration, to the charge,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a question here for you. So
Speaker 2: the idea of, you know, whenever you're using the radionics machines,
Speaker 2: there needs to be a fair amount of intent. Now,
Speaker 2: whatever it is you're charging or whatever kind of magic
Speaker 2: that you're trying to do, once it goes through this
Speaker 2: process of going and being charged with the radionics machine,
Speaker 2: do you still need to have a little bit of
Speaker 2: intention with the thing once it's already through that that
Speaker 2: whole complete process of the radionics.
Speaker 3: Uh you mean like after I did all that afterward, right? Uh?
Speaker 3: Not really, you know, because because it's already programmed with
Speaker 3: that intention, So all you gotta do is just lock
Speaker 3: it in.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Yeah, that was just a little curious thought
Speaker 2: that I had. Well, dude, I love learning about all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, and I've had you on Meta
Speaker 2: Mystery so many times that like, it's about time that
Speaker 2: I get me one of these radionic machines. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be real with you, Like the way that you're
Speaker 2: explaining it now. I feel like I have a better
Speaker 2: understanding of it now because I think that it was
Speaker 2: just such a foreign thing to me before that. Now
Speaker 2: that I'm one of those people, I got to hear
Speaker 2: something like four or five times in order for me
Speaker 2: to actually get it, you know what I mean, or
Speaker 2: or be able to put hands on it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is I think I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of cool stuff when you
Speaker 3: can buy magic with radionics. Like I said, it might
Speaker 3: not look like much, but when you program a vigil candle, yeah,
Speaker 3: cause they're supposed to burn for seven days, but they
Speaker 3: only burn for like four and a half days or
Speaker 3: four days. But when you program that, it's a really
Speaker 3: clean and usable energy. It's a really focused intent to
Speaker 3: so holds all that memory and it holds all that energy,
Speaker 3: and then when you include it in your like your
Speaker 3: magical ritual, it's it's really easy for the spirits to
Speaker 3: use that energy. It's really clean and easy that they
Speaker 3: prefer it. And then the light from the candle kind
Speaker 3: of acts as a carrier wave two, so it's kind
Speaker 3: of filling the room up with your intent. Like I said,
Speaker 3: they burn for like four whole days and I get
Speaker 3: my fastest results probably when I do that. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'll say, you're gonna work with like a more infernal spirit,
Speaker 3: you know, like a demon or something, or you know,
Speaker 3: just something that some people will consider less friendly, even
Speaker 3: though I've never really had a problem with the demons.
Speaker 3: But you can do what's called a energy jic human sacrifice,
Speaker 3: where you could take someone you don't like. And there's
Speaker 3: lots of douchebags in the world. There's lots of people
Speaker 3: that love volunteering themselves for these types of operations, right,
Speaker 3: So let's say they're all a huge douchebag, but they
Speaker 3: don't really deserve to die. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, I don't really think you're gonna get
Speaker 3: away with that, you know, those kind of people you
Speaker 3: can or even just a random person if you were
Speaker 3: like kind of messed up like that, I guess, you know.
Speaker 3: But but you can like put the the sigil of
Speaker 3: the spirit you're working with on the output plate and
Speaker 3: then put your mark on the input plate and you
Speaker 3: just dial into his life force and then all that
Speaker 3: life force will transfer over to the spirit you're working
Speaker 3: with as an offering.
Speaker 2: So whoa as an offering to the possible demon spirit
Speaker 2: that you're working with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or whatever you're working with, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, because it doesn't really hurt the
Speaker 3: person who're just going to be tired for a few
Speaker 3: days or whatever. You know that you can rotate him
Speaker 3: to another person whatever. But that's a really clean, usable
Speaker 3: energy too for the spirits. But you know, something like
Speaker 3: the sun works the best because the sun powers this
Speaker 3: whole realm. I mean, it's like infinite electricity and you
Speaker 3: can dial into it.
Speaker 5: And so I do have a question for you all.
Speaker 4: So, since you brought up human sacrifice, although yes we're
Speaker 4: talking about energy energetic king sacrifice, you also are somebody
Speaker 4: who has a wealth of knowledge from what I've been
Speaker 4: given to understand about all types of mystical dark occult practices.
Speaker 4: Things to them for light, things done for dark, all
Speaker 4: things in between. We had a guest on quite a
Speaker 4: while ago. He came on multiple times a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: Zachary King, a former Satanic wizard, and he went through
Speaker 4: a story about his belt upbringing in the magical realms
Speaker 4: into the dark arts, the groups that he associated with.
Speaker 4: He brought up oto he brought up others, and he
Speaker 4: was talking about some very very very dark, murderous things
Speaker 4: that were done as a form of sacrifice to make
Speaker 4: magic happen. Now, I understand that that was per his
Speaker 4: brand of magic or whatever that group's brand of magic was.
Speaker 4: But as you bring up human sacrifice in your knowledge,
Speaker 4: is that something that is still practiced today and we're
Speaker 4: talking about actual physical human sacrifice done for magical principles?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah, Okay, you know yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, for for one, even if you're just doing
Speaker 3: magic in your own room and and you use like
Speaker 3: a lancet, like a tiny little diabetic lancet, like one
Speaker 3: or two drops of blood, adds a noticeable impact on
Speaker 3: your magic. You know, you can just feel the energy
Speaker 3: kind of flutter, just poke yourself once, you know, with
Speaker 3: those kind of spirits and everything. And then you know,
Speaker 3: something like a chicken, you know, and it's pretty easy
Speaker 3: for most people to sacrifice a chicken because it's a chicken.
Speaker 3: Well it's also like, dude, where do you think meat
Speaker 3: comes from? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Absolutely so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a chicken is going to add a huge punch.
Speaker 3: You know, a rabbit is going to be a little
Speaker 3: bit more of a punch than chicken, but it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a much cleaner energy and then like something like
Speaker 3: a goat, like more complicated the animal.
Speaker 4: Is so per the example he was given was more
Speaker 4: like an abortion, a human abortion that was being done
Speaker 4: in a demonic sacrificial ceremony. So this would have been
Speaker 4: of the highest type of sacrifice for the ultimate type
Speaker 4: of magical conjuring, if you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, people do it, man, I mean
Speaker 3: just look at the legend of the gollum, you know,
Speaker 3: And a gollum is basically like a servatory mixerraturs all
Speaker 3: the time. I made one for Jonvian. Yeah, most servitors are,
Speaker 3: you know, just for like, you know, finding a job.
Speaker 3: I've heard of people like making serviators to find parking
Speaker 3: spaces downtown because they work in the city. You know,
Speaker 3: they're hard to come by at nine o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that. So, but the legend of
Speaker 3: the gollum was a a some Protestant child basically like
Speaker 3: some some rabbis got busted doing a blood libel on
Speaker 3: some Protestant child, and this guy was going to go
Speaker 3: and report back to whatever kingdom or whatever, and and
Speaker 3: so the rabbis were worried, like, dude, this is going
Speaker 3: to screw everything up for us. We got to do something.
Speaker 3: So they created this gollum to kill the guy before
Speaker 3: he was able to relay the message, which they were
Speaker 3: successful at doing.
Speaker 5: You know, where's that story written.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just a legend of the gollum.
Speaker 3: I got you, okay, you know, And they kind of
Speaker 3: worded differently now that this guy just all of a
Speaker 3: sudden like thought they were doing that, and that they
Speaker 3: were worried about anti Semitism. So you know, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: blood sacrifice, I mean people do it, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, that would make sense.
Speaker 4: He said that that type of sacrifice is only done
Speaker 4: it was very expensive to hire the group to do
Speaker 4: that type of sacrifice to make that type of magical
Speaker 4: thing happen, and it was always for like heads of
Speaker 4: state type of level of they need this done, and
Speaker 4: they're willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.
Speaker 4: So it makes sense. It was a very bad time
Speaker 4: in this guy's life. He even acknowledged how he was
Speaker 4: a part of some horrible, horrible things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, professional magicians, like professional sorcerers.
Speaker 5: Hey, oh here the puppers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's dreaming right now.
Speaker 5: Oh kind do a.
Speaker 3: He's a pitboll He's one of he's one of the
Speaker 3: briefs splassified as a pit boull. I love, yeah, my
Speaker 3: favorite dogs too. Uh So, you know, like a professional
Speaker 3: source for like the going rate for like a blood
Speaker 3: sacrifice for like a chicken is like one to three
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, so you can imagine.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude, So Sansoria practitioners are doing this just
Speaker 4: as a part of their religion. Meanwhile, they could fucking
Speaker 4: hire themselves out for one to three ko pop.
Speaker 5: That's legit.
Speaker 3: I guarantee some of these guys have clients. I'll guarantee it.
Speaker 3: I'll guarantee it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, there's been a few people talking
Speaker 3: about like child sacrifice and human sacrifice going on in
Speaker 3: like Haiti and some of the African regions. You know.
Speaker 3: And uh, I worked with this guy. I forget which
Speaker 3: island he was from. It was right next to Saint George.
Speaker 3: It's kind of down where like.
Speaker 5: You know, they're a Saint Lucian or Saint Thomas something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: They're they're they're they're black, but they speak Spanish down
Speaker 3: kind of like by the Virgin Islands, I think, or
Speaker 3: Puerto Rican, all lot of areas, you know. But uh,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't even talking about magic, but he spoke
Speaker 3: human sacrifice and child sacrifice as like just something they did.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even like a conspiracy to him. It wasn't weird,
Speaker 3: it wasn't sensationalized. It was just like, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: just what they do, you know, Like it was just
Speaker 3: like no big deal to him. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 3: he was a Catholic, you know.
Speaker 2: So I mean just out of curiosity though, Like, all right,
Speaker 2: so I've always been very curious. Sean and I we
Speaker 2: just did a show a couple of days ago on
Speaker 2: you know, like sacrifices and offerings and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but more on the dark side. If if all right,
Speaker 2: let's say, God forbid, I know that it goes on.
Speaker 2: I don't even like talking about it, but let's say
Speaker 2: that there is a baby sacrificed. Okay, I know that
Speaker 2: that is like the most pure thing that you can sacrifice.
Speaker 2: And they always talk about, you know, having the virgins
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And this is the closest thing
Speaker 2: to the other side, so maybe that would work the best.
Speaker 2: I get that, But why exactly does a sacrifice work?
Speaker 2: Like can is there even physical terms to describe why
Speaker 2: that works?
Speaker 5: Good question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's definitely energy going on. But with blood,
Speaker 3: it's it's different, man, because, like I said, a couple
Speaker 3: drops of blood will double your potency of your magic.
Speaker 3: I mean it doesn't even take a lot, you know,
Speaker 3: just like a diabetic lancet, a couple drops you know,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, it when it comes to blood, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but there's something really special about blood, and it seems
Speaker 3: like it's more potent when you burn it, you know,
Speaker 3: like if you put it on like a like a
Speaker 3: piece of cloth or paper or parchment and you burn it,
Speaker 3: it just seems like it kind of transmutes it into
Speaker 3: something that's easier for the spirits to consume.
Speaker 2: So kind of like why a not to get conspiratorial here,
Speaker 2: but kind of like why a holocaust would work. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, totally burnt offering. I mean that's literally I.
Speaker 5: Found out that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, burn offering, app right.
Speaker 2: The only difference between an offering and a sacrifice is
Speaker 2: that the sacrifice is burned, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure there's like some some wars that carried
Speaker 3: out in a specific way just to cause sacrifice totally.
Speaker 5: You know, people, Oh, I see it.
Speaker 4: Look at the flower wars that were waged once a
Speaker 4: year by the Mayans, where they would go and enslave
Speaker 4: the local inhabitants only to perform sacrifices at their temples.
Speaker 4: There's one record of like what was like thirteen thousand
Speaker 4: in one day. Basically like every five seconds they were
Speaker 4: cutting a still beating heart out and it was a big,
Speaker 4: big ceremony that they did.
Speaker 5: It was like big, big recorded. You look at a
Speaker 5: what was the war? Every year the.
Speaker 4: Spartans waged a war on their hellet slave population because
Speaker 4: they outnumbered them six to one. So once a year
Speaker 4: they would like call the herd and they would just
Speaker 4: go on a rampage for like two weeks and just
Speaker 4: slaughter as many of them as they want and then
Speaker 4: come back. And they did that as a principle to
Speaker 4: their gods. There was a whole religious ceremony to like
Speaker 4: enact the war, and it was a whole thing. So yeah,
Speaker 4: absolutely makes been done for that principle.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder though, like, all right, is this
Speaker 2: another reason why the military industrial complex wants to keep
Speaker 2: perpetual war going? Is that not a sacrifice.
Speaker 4: War pigs talked about, which is at black Masses at
Speaker 4: the same time they're talking about the war machine turning.
Speaker 5: Look, brother, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so I'm a creationist, you know, like magic
Speaker 3: and astrology proves one percent the Earth is a creation
Speaker 3: prisoner is a creator one hundred percent. And uh so,
Speaker 3: you know, like Mars is not just like this dusty
Speaker 3: fucking rock, you know, millions of miles away. It's it's
Speaker 3: the literal god of war. You know. It is the
Speaker 3: driving destructive masculine and tustosterone driven that driving masculine force,
Speaker 3: you know. And when you look at America being the
Speaker 3: military presence in the world, you know, we have fifty states.
Speaker 3: That's five and there's been several times where we almost
Speaker 3: lost the state and we actually gained Hawaii and Alaska
Speaker 3: just to create this number. And I think even DARPA
Speaker 3: is said at the fiftieth latitude I think, and maybe
Speaker 3: longitude I forget. You know, you got the Pentagon five sided,
Speaker 3: you know, was it seventy seven feet tall? That's adds
Speaker 3: up to five. You know, even nine to eleven two
Speaker 3: thousand and one adds up to five. Five is the
Speaker 3: number for Mars, the god of war. America is the
Speaker 3: military force for the world. You know. The Vatican controls
Speaker 3: the world through spirit, you know, the Inner City of
Speaker 3: London controls the world through money, and America throws it
Speaker 3: controls it through military force. So yeah, I definitely think,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, because I just looked up because
Speaker 2: I was born in May and that's the fifth month, right,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, I wonder if the fifth
Speaker 2: month is also kind of in line with this, But
Speaker 2: May is it says it's ruled by Venus, So I
Speaker 2: guess that's not the same.
Speaker 3: No, but Venus and Mars are very closely related, and
Speaker 3: so I kind of wanted to talk about this anyway.
Speaker 5: So August is just for shits and giggles.
Speaker 2: It has to be Mars. Bro, there's no way to no.
Speaker 3: No, August is the is uh is it's it's half,
Speaker 3: it's uh, it's the sun and it's uh. It's basically
Speaker 3: Leo and Virgo is August. So anyway, I want to
Speaker 3: go and go talk about this anyway, because I think
Speaker 3: that magic and conspiracies go perfectly hand in hand together there.
Speaker 3: And it really bothers me that there's so much kind
Speaker 3: of superstition and discrimination and kind of hysteria in the
Speaker 3: conspiracy scene, you know. And I'm not going to poke
Speaker 3: fun at anyone, but there's also like a lot of
Speaker 3: kind of like Christian narcissism in the conspiracy movement, you know,
Speaker 3: especially when it comes to anything remotely occult. And I
Speaker 3: think magic and the occolet go perfectly hand to hand together.
Speaker 3: And uh so, let's take, for example, going to the
Speaker 3: miss let's look at the moon landing right.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: When they named they told us what their plan was
Speaker 3: when they named it Apollo. Are you guys familiar with
Speaker 3: the Apollo myth?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Wait, wait wait the Apollo myth?
Speaker 3: The Apollo myth? Okay, so, so Apollo and Artemis. Artemis
Speaker 3: is the moon, Apollo is the sun. Paula and Artemis
Speaker 3: they were twins, brothers and sisters, but they are also married. Now.
Speaker 3: Apollo chased Artemis across the sky, but he was never
Speaker 3: able to consummate his marriage, meaning Apollo never reached the moon.
Speaker 3: WHOA see what I'm saying, so here's and here's another
Speaker 3: thing too. And uh, you know how like all the
Speaker 3: Trutheris were talking about, Elon Musk was dressed up as
Speaker 3: Baphomett for Halloween. Yep, yeah, he wasn't dressed up like
Speaker 3: Baphamet at all. Dude. It's so stupid. And some of
Speaker 3: them I think were smart enough to know better, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, especially like some of the flat earthers. I
Speaker 3: feel like some of them were smart enough to know better.
Speaker 2: So shout out to the flat earthers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So what did he have on his chest? He
Speaker 3: had a ram? What is the ram signify? It signifies aries? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so what is aries? It's uh, first of all,
Speaker 3: it's a month of Aries, and it's also the god
Speaker 3: of war. What's Elon Musk known for? Do you remember
Speaker 3: that book written by Warner von Braun Mission to Mars
Speaker 3: or whatever, where they go to Mars and the ruler
Speaker 3: of Mars was the Elon?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Did did you know that? Okay, so what's Elon Musk
Speaker 3: known for? He's known for wanting to go to Mars.
Speaker 3: All right. The color for Mars is red. He is
Speaker 3: outfit was red. The aries is the god of war,
Speaker 3: which is also associated with Mars. The ruling place it
Speaker 3: for aries is the planet Mars. He was dressed up
Speaker 3: as the Roman god Mars. He was dressed up as Mars,
Speaker 3: the god of war, and everyone thought he was dressed
Speaker 3: up like Bapphamint, you know. And it's and it's such
Speaker 3: face value thing, dude, It's like anyone who the thing
Speaker 3: is like, if you're an ocultist but you're not in
Speaker 3: the conspiracies, you're gonna miss it. If you're a conspiracy
Speaker 3: theorist and you're not into the occult, I feel like
Speaker 3: you should have still seen it, but you're probably gonna
Speaker 3: miss it. But if you understand both really well, it's
Speaker 3: face value. It's it's it's almost boring. It's like, it's
Speaker 3: like obvious what he was dressed up as, and everyone
Speaker 3: said it was Bahamint.
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, there are a lot of Christians
Speaker 2: within the conspiracy realm, and the same thing goes, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of Christians within the flat earth realm, right
Speaker 2: so far and so whenever you see somebody dressed in
Speaker 2: all red, especially somebody like fucking Elon Musk who.
Speaker 3: With a horned beast with a horned beast.
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna think like that's that's probably where your
Speaker 2: mind goes.
Speaker 4: But the same time, evangelical Christians think that that's what
Speaker 4: Satan looks like.
Speaker 5: Is this goat figure guy?
Speaker 4: And it's like, no, homie, that's a picture that's based
Speaker 4: off of pan It's a whole other thing. You're thinking
Speaker 4: it because of a medieval manuscript. He doesn't look like that.
Speaker 4: It's the imagery, right, it's the symbolism. It's that knee
Speaker 4: jerk reaction that they've gotten ingrained into our heads.
Speaker 2: So let's look at Elon here for a second, though.
Speaker 2: I mean, given what you know of him, I mean
Speaker 2: you're also a part of the conspiracy realm as well.
Speaker 2: What are your initial thoughts? I mean, is this guy good?
Speaker 5: Is he bad?
Speaker 2: Is he just a wildcard joker kind of situation? What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: I'm not buying it at all. You know, and everyone
Speaker 3: thinks this guy is some type of genius. I've never
Speaker 3: heard the guy say anything smart in my entire life.
Speaker 3: In fact, why I hear him talk. He sounds so dumb.
Speaker 3: It gives me anxiety because I feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 3: He just seems like a lost little boy. I have
Speaker 3: the feeling his childhood was not very fun. I have
Speaker 3: the feeling, and I have the feeling he doesn't have
Speaker 3: a choice in the matter and he's stuck being Elon.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's driving the boat. I don't think
Speaker 3: he's a genius, and I don't think he's coming to
Speaker 3: save today. But that being said, it does seem like
Speaker 3: Twitter has more free speeds than any other platform. You
Speaker 3: might as well use it while you got it, because
Speaker 3: it's not going to be there forever.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I've always kind of had a similar you know, idea
Speaker 2: of Elon as well, because you know, you hear him
Speaker 2: talk and like I we listened to the whole Elon
Speaker 2: and uh Trump interview that they had on Twitter, and
Speaker 2: I was like, fucking tit tit tit tip tip today,
Speaker 2: Junia fucking spit it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I've never heard that guy say anything smart.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I wouldn't label myself as a very
Speaker 2: intelligent person, So anytime somebody's even saying something slightly smart,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I guess I'll just go with it.
Speaker 5: You know, I still see him as a chaotic neutral.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like he has the capability of being a super
Speaker 4: villain tomorrow if he decides, but he also had the
Speaker 4: ability to like save the world tomorrow if he decides,
Speaker 4: and the fact that he doesn't and he's just kind
Speaker 4: of chilling in the middle. It's an uneasy it's not
Speaker 4: a trust or a distrust. So it's a weird chaotic neutral,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, it all it all came crashing down for me
Speaker 2: whenever he sent the car into space, right, and then
Speaker 2: there was the famous quote you can tell it's real
Speaker 2: because it looks so fake. I knew rate then that,
Speaker 2: like even he knew that it was fake, but he
Speaker 2: was fooling everybody else with going along with the story.
Speaker 2: So I had always kind of had a at least
Speaker 2: a speculative idea that this guy really isn't who he
Speaker 2: says he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's totally in better with the government, you know.
Speaker 3: You know, like every car that he sells, the government
Speaker 3: has to subsidize like ten fifteen thousand dollars per car
Speaker 3: because they suck so bad that they can't sell them
Speaker 3: for what they're wors because people won't buy them, So
Speaker 3: the government has to pay him like ten or fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars per car for him to event and have
Speaker 3: him on the market and be able to sell them.
Speaker 2: So he's a scam artist, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: You know, well, he's totally a scam artist. It was
Speaker 3: his name. Greg Reese did a video on the real
Speaker 3: Elon Musk. It was a five minute video, but it
Speaker 3: summed them up pretty quick.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: But you know, but the thing is is, like, you know,
Speaker 3: first of all, who cares, you know, like, I mean,
Speaker 3: most of these guys are full of crap, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, most normal people, their day to day liars
Speaker 3: are full of crap. You know, at the moment, there's
Speaker 3: free speech on Twitter. You know, the algorithm is being
Speaker 3: slightly more fair on Twitter than anywhere else. You know,
Speaker 3: you like, you might as well just use the resource
Speaker 3: while you have it, and you know, it's just one
Speaker 3: of those things. But yeah, he's he's not one of
Speaker 3: us at all.
Speaker 2: No, So whenever they call him the richest man in
Speaker 2: the world, like I I never believe that either.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, there are trillionaires in the world, you know,
Speaker 3: like come on, yeah, the guy just made some money,
Speaker 3: like a few years ago, like twenty years ago. You know,
Speaker 3: like there are people that come from like old money
Speaker 3: that goes all the way back to like you know,
Speaker 3: a thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: You know absolutely, yeah, yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 5: That's he's from South Africa.
Speaker 4: Bro, there's when you talk about old money from South Africa,
Speaker 4: it kind of gets to an ugly point.
Speaker 5: The further back he goes, it really does well.
Speaker 2: And also, dude, you get into the whole just what
Speaker 2: was it his uh, his caretaker or his babysitter. You've
Speaker 2: seen that video where she's talking about like she believed
Speaker 2: that he was the Antichrist, Like from a very young
Speaker 2: age she thought that just a very different kind of child.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you make of that? I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you believe in Antichrist or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But is there something to it or is
Speaker 2: she kind of just a little nutty?
Speaker 3: I have the feeling he had an occult back as
Speaker 3: far as the Antichrist goes, yeah, I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of a more of a metaphor. I think there's been
Speaker 3: probably lots of Antichrist. Like here's the thing. Since I've
Speaker 3: been alive, Bill Clinton was considered the Antichrist. George Bush
Speaker 3: was considered the antichrist, Obama was considered the antichrist. Trump
Speaker 3: was considered the antichrist, Biden, you know, like they're all
Speaker 3: considered the antichrist, you know. So it's one of those things.
Speaker 6: Good point, but uh, but yeah, the fascinating thing about
Speaker 6: that story from his babysitter was how he had all
Speaker 6: these cool like relics that he played with, Like he
Speaker 6: didn't play with like action figures.
Speaker 3: He had like weird like little fucking voodoo stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I thought that was awesome.
Speaker 2: WHOA Why?
Speaker 3: And part of that part of the story I think
Speaker 3: is probably pretty legit, you know, like I have the
Speaker 3: feeling he did it kind of come from a traumatizing childhood.
Speaker 3: He probably didn't get a lot of interactions. Seemed like
Speaker 3: he really wanted someone to play with, like from what
Speaker 3: she described. And I see that because he looks like
Speaker 3: a lost little boy. Like when you hear him talk,
Speaker 3: he seems like a sad and lost little boy. You know.
Speaker 4: I'll say this as far as the white population in
Speaker 4: South Africa as well, they some would call them borderline
Speaker 4: religious zelots because if you don't know, there's a civil
Speaker 4: war going on in South Africa right now between the
Speaker 4: white inhabitants and the black inhabitants. Long story short, apartheid
Speaker 4: is over, and the black inhabitants they're pissed about the
Speaker 4: way they've been treated for the last few years.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 4: And essentially the white people are saying, no, this is
Speaker 4: our land, granted to us by a covenant we made
Speaker 4: with God, you know, one hundred and fifty years ago.
Speaker 4: The black inhabitants are like, this is clearly our land.
Speaker 4: Get the fuck out of it. And it's gotten downhill
Speaker 4: very quickly. So the nanny again, like I said, most
Speaker 4: of the white inhabitants had that type of religious fervor
Speaker 4: within them.
Speaker 5: So for her to say that.
Speaker 4: Elon was the Antichrist because he was down with playing
Speaker 4: with weird religious relics and things like that at a
Speaker 4: young age.
Speaker 5: I could see that.
Speaker 4: Also, being a little bit of a you know, she
Speaker 4: might have been a little on the wild side, and
Speaker 4: the fact that he was even slightly different made her think, oh,
Speaker 4: he's obviously a demon.
Speaker 5: I could see that as well.
Speaker 3: Well. You know, allegedly she saw like some type of
Speaker 3: portal with some spirits coming out of it, and then
Speaker 3: she like freaked out. I think she like, uh said
Speaker 3: something about Jesus or something. Anyway, the portal closed up
Speaker 3: and went away, and he was like, oh, you didn't
Speaker 3: like my friends?
Speaker 5: Oh whoa, I didn't hear that part. Oh shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so it was more to the story than that.
Speaker 3: And okay, and that sounds like really fantastical, but you
Speaker 3: know I could see Fuck. I mean, have you seen
Speaker 3: what the guy's mom and dad looks like. I could
Speaker 3: see demons hanging out with that kid.
Speaker 5: I haven't, actually dud his mom is scary, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Spirits are everywhere. I lived just a few minutes away
Speaker 3: from skin Walk around you by a few minutes, I
Speaker 3: mean literally down the road.
Speaker 5: Okay, wait, we're gonna talk about that in a second.
Speaker 4: Hold on, it would either of you say that Elon
Speaker 4: Musk's parents look like they may be reptilian in nature.
Speaker 2: I will show you a picture and let you decide
Speaker 2: on your own. Because this woman is, uh, she looks
Speaker 2: she looks like she's up to no good. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Now, secondly, you said you live by Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 5: Oh, we simply must speak about this. WHOA was a model?
Speaker 3: Look look how black her eyes are. And these aren't
Speaker 3: even bad pictures, and these pictures actually make her look pretty.
Speaker 2: Nice, right right, there's some without makeup dude that you're like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on here? Like, look at this?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 5: Ruela Deville dog?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his dad looks even more evil if you
Speaker 3: see a picture of his dad with his mom together, dude,
Speaker 3: I mean just pure evil.
Speaker 2: Let's see the mom and the dad.
Speaker 3: It looks like all the good pictures are kind of
Speaker 3: scrubbed off of Google. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it is Google, so it's kind of
Speaker 2: what you're gonna get.
Speaker 5: But wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's the one you could kind of.
Speaker 2: See, kind of has a Soros look to him.
Speaker 3: He Uh. If you guys like research like ritual abuse
Speaker 3: and stuff, the people that are accused of like cannibalism,
Speaker 3: they both have the same look in their eyes as
Speaker 3: the people that are accused of cannibalism and their whole
Speaker 3: ritual abuse cases. You know, they just have that look
Speaker 3: to their eyes, you know. And uh, if you look
Speaker 3: at like some of the ritual abuse cases out here
Speaker 3: in Utah, they have that same look, you know. And
Speaker 3: if you look at Elon, look at him dude, he's
Speaker 3: a sad, lost little boy. Look at that picture right there.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know what the fuck's going on.
Speaker 5: He's doing like long division right now. Man.
Speaker 2: Oh look, Elon Musk says he didn't have a happy childhood,
Speaker 2: you know right there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he I feel bad for the guy, man, I
Speaker 3: don't I don't even think he wants to be Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: He probably just would rather just be loved, you know,
Speaker 3: a want and a lot of people just don't see it.
Speaker 3: They think he's like the super genius and he's totally not,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into this whole Skinwalker Ranch dude, Like,
Speaker 2: so you you currently live not that far away or
Speaker 2: you used to?
Speaker 3: No, I love just right on the road front it basically, yeah.
Speaker 2: What kind of shit is really going on over there?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like TV likes to hype it up
Speaker 2: and other people that have gone there like to hype
Speaker 2: it up. Have you experienced anything like that?
Speaker 3: I haven't been to Skinwalker Ranch proper, And you have
Speaker 3: to pay money to go there to set an appointment
Speaker 3: and and all that. But you know, like there was
Speaker 3: a group of people and they went there with like
Speaker 3: some psychedelics and they're also like in the magic and
Speaker 3: the occult and air thing, and they went there specifically
Speaker 3: to do magic there and to kind of have a
Speaker 3: a an experience. And they said that, you know, the
Speaker 3: people that went there cleared all that energy out, and
Speaker 3: it's base. There's not really any energy there anymore. I
Speaker 3: don't know how true that is, you know, but you know,
Speaker 3: or how often they clear it out, because sometimes you
Speaker 3: have to do it multiple times to get rid of
Speaker 3: it if the energy there is really thick. But apparently
Speaker 3: there's nothing there anymore. That a bunch of the Indians
Speaker 3: went there and just spiritually cleansed the place, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's what I've heard. I haven't been there, but
Speaker 3: I'll say this. When I moved into this house, there
Speaker 3: was a really nasty negative entity here. And I've dealt
Speaker 3: with negative entities before, you know, and this one was
Speaker 3: way more persistent than any negative entity I've ever encountered before.
Speaker 3: And the residue in the house was thick enough to
Speaker 3: where because it's a hundred year old house was built
Speaker 3: in twenty seven and wow, so it had been here
Speaker 3: for over twenty years. Judging by the residue, probably over
Speaker 3: forty could have been here since the very beginning, who knows,
Speaker 3: But it was like way nastier and way more persistent.
Speaker 3: It kept trying to come back, which I'm not used to.
Speaker 3: Usually you get rid of them and then maybe you
Speaker 3: clean one more time and that's it, you know. But
Speaker 3: this one was like I had to keep kind of
Speaker 3: getting rid of it. You know.
Speaker 4: So you brought up the Native Americans are talking about
Speaker 4: skim walker ranch and you, having the wealth of knowledge
Speaker 4: that you have, what is your take on skim walkers
Speaker 4: in the Navajo tribe lore? And what type of magic
Speaker 4: do you believe they're tapping into in order to do this?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, See that's tough because I mean the Indian
Speaker 3: has lost a lot of their culture, you know, and
Speaker 3: so if we you know, like a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know this. You know, white people were a bunch
Speaker 3: of tribes just kicking it in Europe, you know, then
Speaker 3: the Church came in. We were conquered. You know, if
Speaker 3: you look up like the churches of skulls all across Europe,
Speaker 3: that's basically what happened to us. And uh so, you know,
Speaker 3: so we lost a lot of our ancient ways, and
Speaker 3: everything that we have comes filtered through the church. So
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's hard to say, but I will
Speaker 3: say this, Uh, Indians are naturally proved prone to spiritual
Speaker 3: possession more than like other groups of people, you know,
Speaker 3: like I mean by far. And when you when you
Speaker 3: hear like the Indians like beating the drums and they
Speaker 3: start doing their chant it causes a shift in the
Speaker 3: atmosphere and you can you can feel the spirits coming.
Speaker 3: Spirits for some reason do like drums. There is something
Speaker 3: about hypnotic drumming and chanting and stuff the spirits do
Speaker 3: like and fire.
Speaker 5: Of course, Dude, I jam with pow wow drums.
Speaker 4: I don't know how that how weird that makes me
Speaker 4: or not, But dude, going in my car, I will
Speaker 4: put on like you look up pow wow like competitions
Speaker 4: where like different tribes will like do their drum beats
Speaker 4: and sing.
Speaker 5: And all that.
Speaker 4: Bro, that is some fucking hype music. I don't give
Speaker 4: a fuck with.
Speaker 5: Nobody says yeah and uh.
Speaker 3: And they do eat like like out here like Peote
Speaker 3: and San Pedro apparently out here sam Pere is actually
Speaker 3: it grows here in Utah and it's legal. So I
Speaker 3: don't know where I can find some but I'm definitely
Speaker 3: gonna you know, win and row.
Speaker 2: You let us know when you get your hands on
Speaker 2: some peyote. That would have to come at some point
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 5: No, I just found a video on how to grow
Speaker 5: it in your own home, these small little things, a
Speaker 5: whole step by step got I'm like, wait what and
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, you could totally just have these and
Speaker 5: you could just grow this plant in your home in
Speaker 5: your garden. I'm like, we could just grow peyoti.
Speaker 2: How long do you traditionally like trip on payota? Like
Speaker 2: how long? Is is it like six seven hours like
Speaker 2: a mushroom trip or is that what I.
Speaker 3: Would assume It's the same as mushrooms, is what I
Speaker 3: would I would guess there's a lot of I.
Speaker 4: Guess depends on how you ingest it, right, because you're
Speaker 4: talking about eating it, and it usually takes about eight
Speaker 4: hours to work through your system that way, depending on
Speaker 4: how you metabolize things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Sounds about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: With the Indians, you know, like so they do some
Speaker 3: psychedelic stuff, you know, they do that trance work with
Speaker 3: the drums and the stuff, and I don't no, man,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, because so much of our history
Speaker 3: has been wiped clean.
Speaker 4: So if I can break down for you a couple
Speaker 4: of things that I heard about with skin walkers in particular,
Speaker 4: could you tell me the type of magic that.
Speaker 5: They're tapping into?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 4: So this story was being told by a Navajo who
Speaker 4: was breaking all of the rules talking about it. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if he knows if he was being
Speaker 4: filmed or not, as he was talking about it with
Speaker 4: his boys, right, And the only reason he felt comfortable
Speaker 4: talking about it was because he had been trained from
Speaker 4: a very young age in how to combat dark magic
Speaker 4: or dark medicine within the Navajo tribe. So like he
Speaker 4: had been well versed on what to do, and so
Speaker 4: much so that he and his uncle and his cousins
Speaker 4: were like called to help people with skin walker issues,
Speaker 4: like his family was known for that within his tribe,
Speaker 4: which is dope and still to this day he's still alive.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: He said that there was this one house they were called.
Speaker 4: They said, this is the family land. There's an old
Speaker 4: shed in the back, Granddad's old shed, and nobody goes
Speaker 4: back there because there's clearly an evil entity back there.
Speaker 4: We don't fuck with it. And we need y'all go
Speaker 4: check it out. They said, dope, let's go.
Speaker 5: So they go. Long story short, when they get to
Speaker 5: the house, the door like bursts open, dark force.
Speaker 4: Goes whoosh out of it. Right, so, all right, there's
Speaker 4: evil afoot. We can clearly see this. Let's go in.
Speaker 4: They open up an old trunk, okay old, an old
Speaker 4: chest that they felt this was where the energy was
Speaker 4: coming from. Inside of the chest, there was human bones
Speaker 4: that had carvings in them. There was also a rag
Speaker 4: of some type and I don't know if it was
Speaker 4: a shirt, I don't know if it was a towel.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was a pillow, I don't know,
Speaker 5: some sort of cloth that was clearly blood soaked.
Speaker 4: But it was like old blood. This was like black.
Speaker 4: It was old and like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: was not fresh. Nobody was living in this house, and
Speaker 4: they had to burn them. They had to do this
Speaker 4: whole ceremony. But carving into bones, especially human bones, now,
Speaker 4: he said that may have been a victim of the
Speaker 4: skin walker at some point, or he had to murder
Speaker 4: somebody and use those bones to create the medicine to
Speaker 4: become a skin walker. Because you have to like really
Speaker 4: have quote unquote skin in the game in order to
Speaker 4: go to that dark side of things. You don't just
Speaker 4: you don't just become a novice in the dark arts.
Speaker 4: As far as this is concerned, according to him, what
Speaker 4: by that description, what type of magic is this?
Speaker 2: Well, traditionally runes are carved out of bones, aren't they.
Speaker 4: But again Navajo, so that wouldn't be the Nordic runes.
Speaker 4: But is it the same thing, different languages. It's just
Speaker 4: the same type of vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's only so many magical techniques. You know,
Speaker 3: you're gonna see a lot of similarities, you know, with it.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's hard to say what happened to
Speaker 3: the person. You know, they could have just found those bones.
Speaker 3: It could have been a funeral, right, it could have
Speaker 3: been a bad person that got dealt with and that
Speaker 3: was their way of controlling it. You know, they could
Speaker 3: have even done that, plus use the energy to destroy
Speaker 3: a couple of more enemies. So there's a couple of legs.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say legends, but his history, you know, when
Speaker 3: the Mormons first came here, like where I'm at, I'm
Speaker 3: in Roosevelt, Utah, and so just like thirty minutes east
Speaker 3: is Vernal and on on that road or path or
Speaker 3: trail whatever it was. You know, one hundred years ago
Speaker 3: to Vernal, there was a a group of Indians that
Speaker 3: were like really savage and aggressive, and the other Indians
Speaker 3: kind of like weren't really. I mean, I'm sure they
Speaker 3: interacted with them, but they were they kind of kept
Speaker 3: a safe distance from them, but they would like whenever
Speaker 3: they saw like Mormons traveling through there and and they
Speaker 3: saw them, they would like kind of hunt them down
Speaker 3: and kill them and scalp them. And I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if they were doing something similar to what that
Speaker 3: person stumbled on.
Speaker 5: Really, So that's the history orcal precedents.
Speaker 4: I've heard the same thing, right, They were enacting the
Speaker 4: dark magic in order to help the greater good for
Speaker 4: their tribe of keeping the white man at bay, and
Speaker 4: like I could see those types of things, but this
Speaker 4: was more of a modern day example. But like you're saying,
Speaker 4: so this is a touch on rune magic, I could
Speaker 4: see maybe blood magic being at play on that one
Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, room magic specifically into the bone carving
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, a lot of people will carve runs out
Speaker 3: of bones or wood, but yeah, a lot of them.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd been carved in bones. Hey, Jonathan, can
Speaker 3: you pull up on Google right now? Churches of skulls?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, I can, absolutely.
Speaker 5: So there's one in Portugal.
Speaker 4: I think it is that the entire cathedral's made out
Speaker 4: of human skulls.
Speaker 5: I want to go check that, bitch out.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude. They're all over the world, you know, and.
Speaker 2: So and here we go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, I thought there was only one of these.
Speaker 5: I know there's category like the walls are made out
Speaker 5: of them, and ship but churches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, churches, Look at this, even alters look at all
Speaker 3: this stuff. Yeah, so so look at this. Look how
Speaker 3: decorative it is? Now? Number one, who were these people?
Speaker 3: Where did they come from? If you like, send like
Speaker 3: a psychic tendril across some of these bones. There's a
Speaker 3: really kind of like noticeable psychic output coming from them,
Speaker 3: which tells me their last days alive were not very pleasant.
Speaker 3: But look at these bones. Now, ask yourself, how did
Speaker 3: they get the meat off those bones?
Speaker 2: How did they I don't.
Speaker 5: Have assumed bugs and shit personally?
Speaker 3: I look how clean they are? Dude? No, no, no,
Speaker 3: they were They were they were cleaned. I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if these people were eat you know, you know me,
Speaker 3: like how the Catholics like take communion, you.
Speaker 5: Know, right.
Speaker 4: But I mean, don't get me wrong, I've done skull
Speaker 4: preservation and stuff to like have deer mounts and ship
Speaker 4: I mean you put it in a bucket of beatles.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 3: Look at the one down here on the bottom, dude,
Speaker 3: that's like that's like three stories tall.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but I mean how how long ago was
Speaker 5: that built?
Speaker 4: Those skulls have been exposed and cleaned for quite some
Speaker 4: time now, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I'm saying, is you know, like you're not
Speaker 3: just gonna find clean bones like that?
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I agree.
Speaker 3: I mean look at them, dude. I mean there's millions
Speaker 3: of them. There's millions of them.
Speaker 5: Yes, And dude, that's.
Speaker 2: Wild, dude, unreal, dude. I have never check some of.
Speaker 5: These places out. This is metalist.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah. And some of them actually have like altars
Speaker 3: where you can do magic and ship on them, you.
Speaker 4: Know in the church. Well I shouldn't be in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Was used for magic in Italy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Italy. They're all over the world, man, and a
Speaker 3: lot of these people didn't even know where they're they
Speaker 3: were sealed off, and then they were renovating or remodeling
Speaker 3: the church and also and they're like, what the hell
Speaker 3: is this.
Speaker 5: Wild shit?
Speaker 3: Oh, but this is this is what the Catholics did
Speaker 3: to Europe. This is what they did, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh, so you're saying that all of these skulls were
Speaker 4: the ones that didn't convert, so you built their churches
Speaker 4: out of their body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that converted eye.
Speaker 2: Some kind of. So it's probably safe to say that
Speaker 2: a lot of these are pagan skulls.
Speaker 3: I mean, they could they could also be Muslim. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of Muslims in Europe, you know. Muslim
Speaker 3: Islam is actually a European religion, so is Christianity. They
Speaker 3: don't come from the Middle East.
Speaker 5: So I see that especially in Spain too.
Speaker 4: When they eradicated the Moorish population out of Spain, which
Speaker 4: was predominantly Muslim, they were not very kind to them.
Speaker 3: You see this right here, This is just like you
Speaker 3: know what you're describing with the Indians.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, dude, there's tons of skulls like this
Speaker 4: that are carved all over Tibet as well. It's like
Speaker 4: a whole thing they do with prayer, with the bones
Speaker 4: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have like the skull calfs or they drink
Speaker 3: out of it and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those weren't murder victims. They were offered up in
Speaker 4: a ceremonious way. But that's different. That's the other side
Speaker 4: of the continent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a whole chandelier here of skulls and bones.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, dude, Wow, this is unreal and so yeah,
Speaker 2: you're you're not going to see that in the history books.
Speaker 2: I can imagine, right.
Speaker 4: Oh, I learned about this in high school, but I
Speaker 4: only thought there was one of them. I always saw
Speaker 4: one picture in a textbook.
Speaker 3: Dude, They're all over the world.
Speaker 5: That is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had the one in Italy, you know, in Poland.
Speaker 3: When we hear stories about how like the Mayans were
Speaker 3: sacrificing people and stuff, we're taking their word for it.
Speaker 3: The people that did that to humanity, we're taking their
Speaker 3: word for it. For all we know. They went in there,
Speaker 3: they sacrificed everyone, They stacked up all those skulls and bones,
Speaker 3: and then said like, oh, these people were savages. They
Speaker 3: were sacrificing people to the sun. God.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it's easier to dispose of the negative
Speaker 2: entities whenever you're you're framing them in that way.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of pictures of them doing it like
Speaker 5: they're artwork, not European, just saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but who knows? How is it how all those
Speaker 3: buildings are anyway? You know, like a lot of that
Speaker 3: stuff was built in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: So, and I also have a hard time imagining that everybody,
Speaker 2: so let's just I don't know, let's name just a
Speaker 2: pagan community. I have a hard time thinking that they
Speaker 2: were all doing the same thing, you know, like just
Speaker 2: grouping and in that kind of way. So look at
Speaker 2: it like this. You could say, all right, well, all
Speaker 2: the school shooters are traditionally young teenage white boys. Does
Speaker 2: that mean all Does that mean all teenage white boys
Speaker 2: are school shooters?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: All right, I'm not saying that every Muslim is a terrorist,
Speaker 4: but all terrorists just happen to be of a certain
Speaker 4: that's the two aren't necessarily connected. Framing them a certain
Speaker 4: way is going to just make it look horrible, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Right right, So to call an entire people savage, you know.
Speaker 4: And I also don't like the groupings to the other
Speaker 4: that people do across pagan pantheons. Dude, Okay, Like okay,
Speaker 4: Greek to Roman, I get, dude, Nordic to Samerian is
Speaker 4: such a fucking leap of Oh this God, clearly this guy. Like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe there's a handful you could do that with, but
Speaker 4: not the entire pantheon or who married who, the storylines
Speaker 4: in that shit. But people will just like throw it
Speaker 4: out to me the exact same thing, and it's like,
Speaker 4: yeah again, that to me is equal to the Christians
Speaker 4: going oh, well it's a demon spawn and that bub
Speaker 4: bump bump.
Speaker 5: It's like you just took away the entire culture by saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, history is always written by the victors. We know
Speaker 2: this already, dude. This is why I question history as
Speaker 2: much as I do. It's always the good guys that
Speaker 2: come out on top. I mean, fancy that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So, but speaking of demons, I you
Speaker 2: had mentioned earlier about how you have worked with demons
Speaker 2: before and how you haven't really had any bad experiences
Speaker 2: with that. I mean, so could you maybe describe that
Speaker 2: how you work with them and why you work with them,
Speaker 2: just to try and you know, so we can wrap
Speaker 2: our conspiracy mind around how maybe some of the elites
Speaker 2: or people of Hollywood or whatever are also using them,
Speaker 2: maybe in a different way.
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, so there's a few things going
Speaker 3: on there, But I'll save like the elites and stuff
Speaker 3: towards the end there, I'll just talk about So Number
Speaker 3: one is, like there's a few different diffinitions of demons.
Speaker 3: In the Greeks, the word daemon is kind of referred
Speaker 3: to as divine intelligence, and you know, there's like a
Speaker 3: beneficial demon, and then there was more negative ones. Now,
Speaker 3: when when you're talking about demons from like the Bible,
Speaker 3: like the lyle or piemon or whatever, they're as azel
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned. A lot of these are
Speaker 3: just kind of like characters in the book that represent
Speaker 3: aspects of the human experience the skyclock, you know, like
Speaker 3: like all the religions and all of the secret societies
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. It's all based on astrotheology, you know,
Speaker 3: like like pretty much all of it is. So it
Speaker 3: gets kind of convoluted about that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 3: so what I consider to be like real demons is
Speaker 3: whenever there's a lot of trauma someplace, you know, like
Speaker 3: like a murder or a lot of abuse happens in
Speaker 3: the house, or a suicide, like what happened to me
Speaker 3: in an apartment. Uh. The it kind of creates this energy.
Speaker 3: It's it's almost like a tornado of chaos, and it
Speaker 3: will kind of keep attracting that kind of energy and
Speaker 3: affecting the environment. And then eventually it gets stronger and smarter.
Speaker 3: After it possesses a couple of people, it starts kind
Speaker 3: of learning like language, and it starts becoming more tangible.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of like to me, like
Speaker 3: that's a demon. But the say, like the demons from
Speaker 3: the Croatia, like a Zazel Blile, you know, Bile, all
Speaker 3: those demons, I kind of can say of them more
Speaker 3: like I mean, it's hard to say, but one thing
Speaker 3: I do know is like they they do seem like
Speaker 3: their purpose is to serve the magician, you know, for
Speaker 3: lack of a better term. But yeah, I've never had
Speaker 3: a problem with them from a pragmatic standpoint. I think
Speaker 3: demons work really fast. From a pragmatic standpoint, you know,
Speaker 3: they won't like argue with you or anything with that,
Speaker 3: like you know, like but they work fast. And as
Speaker 3: far as like initiation and stuff, they don't have any
Speaker 3: restrictions on what they're willing to teach you, you know, or
Speaker 3: tell you or help you get good at and from,
Speaker 3: like like evocation and magic and just being interesting. They
Speaker 3: usually have you feel their presence a lot quicker in
Speaker 3: the temple. You can feel the shift of energy. And
Speaker 3: they usually have more of a unique personality to them.
Speaker 3: You can notice their personality a lot more. And they yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they yeah, Like I said, they just kind
Speaker 3: of are a little bit more interesting than some other spirits.
Speaker 3: But like I said, they work fast. That's that's one
Speaker 3: thing I'll say about demons. They show up fast. They
Speaker 3: work fast, like if you have a goal you're trying
Speaker 3: to accomplish. And I think the reason why a lot
Speaker 3: of people there's two reasons really because the Abrahamic religions
Speaker 3: are so polarized. You have like a you have good
Speaker 3: guys over here, bad guys over here. Uh And and
Speaker 3: I think so like, well, like we're like a lot
Speaker 3: of like quote unquote white magicians will work with them.
Speaker 3: They'll like summon these angels and then they'll try to
Speaker 3: bind the demon and they'll braide them and a lot
Speaker 3: of the conjurations are like kind of curses towards them.
Speaker 3: They're like lashing at them, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go that route to work with these guys
Speaker 3: because when you make enemies with something that's been around
Speaker 3: for god knows how many thousands of years and you
Speaker 3: can't see them, they have a pretty good leverage in
Speaker 3: that situation. You know, they got a little bit of
Speaker 3: a sneak attack. Uh. And then other people, like black magicians,
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of black magicians, not all,
Speaker 3: you know, the more skilled black magicians are this quality,
Speaker 3: and mostly the younger ones. But they're really polarized or
Speaker 3: they're like where they they like being evil and dark
Speaker 3: and rejecting anything holy and and I think those people
Speaker 3: do kind of get consumed by black magic and demons
Speaker 3: and stuff too. But I think as long as you
Speaker 3: don't have any prejudices and you uh, you come from
Speaker 3: a place of authority, but not like superiority, I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, like like as long as it's just like
Speaker 3: dealing with people, you know, like certain people. You you know,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna be hanging out with like a biker gang,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna sit there and try to pump them,
Speaker 3: you know. At the same time, if they're like bad dudes,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna try to pretend to be like more
Speaker 3: evil and brutal than you are, because they're gonna punk you,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's just kind of
Speaker 3: one of those things where I think, as long as
Speaker 3: you come from a place of respect and you're not
Speaker 3: a polarized person, and you also have a healthy spiritual body,
Speaker 3: I don't think you have anything to worry.
Speaker 2: About, Jacob.
Speaker 3: I've never had a problem.
Speaker 2: Does this remind you of a very similar explanation from
Speaker 2: our boy Anthony, who channels the Reptilians. That's almost exactly
Speaker 2: the same explanation the you know, the relationship that you
Speaker 2: would have with them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's been quite some time since we had
Speaker 4: him on not gonna lie. I've slept a good bit
Speaker 4: since then, so I don't remember everything he said about channeling. Well,
Speaker 4: he was basically said that you had to be available, right,
Speaker 4: you had to put yourself out there and pretty much
Speaker 4: leave all ego or preconceived notions of whatever behind, and
Speaker 4: you had to be willing to accept whatever they were
Speaker 4: willing to give you.
Speaker 5: I remember him saying that.
Speaker 2: And you couldn't be no bitch either, Remember, like he goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, because he was talking about his personality,
Speaker 2: how he has that dominant personality. You have to approach
Speaker 2: them with that, not in like he was saying, not
Speaker 2: in like a punk and punk kind of way, but
Speaker 2: more of like a they know that they can that
Speaker 2: you'll be able to handle whatever they're giving you. Otherwise
Speaker 2: they just won't work with you. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just made me remember that conversation with Anthony oh herey.
Speaker 2: So basically, all right, so you're working with if you
Speaker 2: work with demons, they don't necessarily work. How you know,
Speaker 2: somebody on the outside looking in would look at it,
Speaker 2: but just out of curiosity, this whole idea around working
Speaker 2: with the demons. Just to put it on, I hate
Speaker 2: bringing the logical into this because it seems spiritual and
Speaker 2: spiritual and logical don't necessarily always go hand in hand.
Speaker 2: But whenever you're working with like a demon, is that
Speaker 2: is that similar to like an eggrigor of a demon?
Speaker 2: Or are we talking about an actual entity that that
Speaker 2: does exist or does it exist as an eggregor?
Speaker 5: Good question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a good question, and it's a you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's loaded and convoluted at the same time. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just one of those things. So like, but is
Speaker 3: it though, Yeah, I mean it's it's an important one,
Speaker 3: you know, Uh, short answer, you know, who really knows.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about grimoires or written you know,
Speaker 3: five hundred years ago, maybe older. You know, the copies
Speaker 3: that we have were written five hundred years ago. But
Speaker 3: the uh, you know, there are seventy two demons of
Speaker 3: the Gaayisia, just like there's seventy two choirs of angels.
Speaker 3: You know, it's also seventy two angels in the Gaishia.
Speaker 3: There's seventy two angles of the zodiac, you know, and
Speaker 3: you know Carl Jung mapped out like seventy two different
Speaker 3: sections of the subconscious. So and when you think of
Speaker 3: like as above, so below, as within, so without, like
Speaker 3: if if they're not real or they didn't start off
Speaker 3: as real, because because someone easily could have channeled like
Speaker 3: a feral demon like I was talking about earlier, you know,
Speaker 3: something that just happened, and then stabilize those energies figured
Speaker 3: out what they're good at, because you can use like
Speaker 3: magnets and blood and stuff. They kind of see what
Speaker 3: they're polarized for, and then you just kind of channel
Speaker 3: their name and all that stuff and then work with them.
Speaker 3: They'll get smarter and better the more you use them.
Speaker 3: But but if you're looking at it, it's like a
Speaker 3: more like astrotheology. Like I said, there's seventy two angles
Speaker 3: of the zodiac. Angles and angels are kind of closely
Speaker 3: as far as words go, and then you have seventy
Speaker 3: two poirs of angels, seventy two demons of the Gaatia.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things where they easily could be
Speaker 3: an aggrigor of the skyclock and are subconscious and the
Speaker 3: way that our subconscious and is connected with the skyclock,
Speaker 3: you know, right. And they're all ruled by different planets too,
Speaker 3: you know, like like all the kings in the Goetia
Speaker 3: ruled by the Sun, and the dukes are ruled by Venus,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: So we are talking about a metaphorical demon, not an actual.
Speaker 2: Demon, more of an energetic one though, right.
Speaker 3: That's what in the very beginning I was kind of
Speaker 3: separating like the different kind of like explanations of what
Speaker 3: a demon is you know, because like the first explanation
Speaker 3: I was talking about where it where they kind of
Speaker 3: are spawn out of like chaos and violence and suffering,
Speaker 3: and then they eventually get smarter and they grow and
Speaker 3: they start becoming more tangible, and they kind of eventually
Speaker 3: kind of become take a shape of like a form,
Speaker 3: you know, and they start you know, understanding language because
Speaker 3: they start possessing people, you know, like to me, to me,
Speaker 3: that's a real demon.
Speaker 4: And okay, so that's what my next question was. Now
Speaker 4: you're speaking of it as if it's a real physical demon, so.
Speaker 2: Or it incarnates as a physical thing, but on its own,
Speaker 2: maybe it is.
Speaker 3: So I'm talking about two different things here. So like
Speaker 3: the demon I was just talking about those those kind
Speaker 3: of feral demons. To me, like those are like real demons,
Speaker 3: and they're basically just like a natural byproduct of the
Speaker 3: human experience, you know, and the more you use them,
Speaker 3: you can eventually they can eventually start doing better things
Speaker 3: and not just be focused on suffering and stuff. But
Speaker 3: it's really bizarre with those. But with the like the
Speaker 3: demons in the Bible and the demons of the Goatia,
Speaker 3: I think there is more of a metaphorical, and they're
Speaker 3: kind of embodying the uh, Like I said, the aspects
Speaker 3: of the skyclock with the with the human experience, and
Speaker 3: it's kind of like anthropomorphized, you know. But again it's
Speaker 3: hard to say, you know, because short answer, no one knows,
Speaker 3: you know. But what I consider real demons are that
Speaker 3: byproduct of the human experience, they and their whole mission
Speaker 3: other than to feed off suffering and create more suffering,
Speaker 3: to feed on is to be more tangible. But the
Speaker 3: demons of the Croatia are not like that at all,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you don't believe Hell is a place.
Speaker 4: You believe that it's like a place you could be
Speaker 4: while on Earth, Like you could go through Hell and
Speaker 4: you can go through Heaven.
Speaker 5: You're of that belief?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Earth is Heaven and Hell all in one.
Speaker 3: Really gotchat, you know, I mean, and it could be simultaneously,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean. And the thing is is, you know,
Speaker 3: suffering is one of the main products of this place,
Speaker 3: like it's one of them. It's one of the main
Speaker 3: functions of this realm, is suffering. And I look at
Speaker 3: it like this, Like one of my first memories as
Speaker 3: a kid, I was like I don't know, like a
Speaker 3: year or so old, I got bit in the finger
Speaker 3: by a gerbil and I was like a little kid,
Speaker 3: a little tiny soft finger you know, took a huge
Speaker 3: chunk out. But I was in an unconscious state at
Speaker 3: that moment, and that suffering of being bit by the
Speaker 3: gerbil woke me up out of that subconscious state, and
Speaker 3: I all of a sudden became aware of who I
Speaker 3: am and my surroundings. I became more conscious and awake.
Speaker 3: So if you apply that to the macro level, I
Speaker 3: think that's what this realm is.
Speaker 2: Okay, So all right, just to try and maybe get
Speaker 2: a better idea of it. All right, So a lot
Speaker 2: of people will say, well, the real you comes out
Speaker 2: when you're drunk, right, but what's real? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, I know, Jacob, you hate that question,
Speaker 2: but like, look at it from this perspective. If the
Speaker 2: real you, if the real you comes out when you're drunk,
Speaker 2: So all right, so all other times that you're not drunk,
Speaker 2: that is the fake you. That's not the real you, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so like, is it kind of like this to
Speaker 2: where real in what way?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it going through you know what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: Like I think, you know, when you're getting drunk, you're
Speaker 3: shutting down the conscious part of your brand, and then
Speaker 3: the subconscious starts taking over, which is like ninety percent
Speaker 3: of your consciousness but you're unaware of and that's what
Speaker 3: kind of starts speaking out, you know, So right right,
Speaker 3: and like I said, Carl Jung mapped out sety two
Speaker 3: sections of the subconscious mind. There's seventy two demons of
Speaker 3: the Gaaytia, so it'd be pretty easy to relate the
Speaker 3: two together, you know, as being a different aspect of
Speaker 3: the human psyche, the human subconscious and the you know,
Speaker 3: seventy two angles of the zodiac, seventy two choirs of angels,
Speaker 3: you know, so I you know, part of me wonder
Speaker 3: is like if like because for each demon of the Gaastia,
Speaker 3: there's an angel that you call on for that that
Speaker 3: they go hand in hand. You're supposed to call in
Speaker 3: this angel and then buying that demon and blow and
Speaker 3: work with it, you know, which I prefer working with
Speaker 3: the angel separate and working with the demon separate. You know,
Speaker 3: to me, that seems like a better way of doing it.
Speaker 3: And then you get you know, instead of seventy two
Speaker 3: spirits you're working with, you know, you get well fifty.
Speaker 2: I feel like it would be a pretty interesting time
Speaker 2: to bring up your demon story to him then, Jacob.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't really know if that would work out well,
Speaker 4: because he and I have very difference of opinions on
Speaker 4: a lot of things, like, for instance, the seventy two
Speaker 4: and there's an equal per My believes a third of
Speaker 4: the angels were cast out of heaven, not half, So
Speaker 4: there's a two to one ratio on that front. So like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I could, I could tell them the story,
Speaker 4: but I mean, I don't believe that he and I
Speaker 4: will have the same Well no, it's.
Speaker 2: Just no, no, it's just a different perspective, I guess
Speaker 2: of being able to look at it, you know.
Speaker 3: So when I'm talking with that too, I'm talking about
Speaker 3: the Goatia, which is basically like the magic of King
Speaker 3: Solomon right now. But as far as like yeah, the
Speaker 3: third of the angels, you know, and Lucifer and stuff,
Speaker 3: who knows, you know, because because there's like some historians
Speaker 3: to talk about like the fall of Lucifer is actually
Speaker 3: like a misunderstanding or a mistranslation. They're actually talking about
Speaker 3: a king that basically had a falling out with his
Speaker 3: people from just overstepping his power and stuff.
Speaker 5: So sure, and then the fact that.
Speaker 3: The Lucifer is also a title, like I think Jesus
Speaker 3: is referred to the lucifer a couple of translations, and
Speaker 3: I think even Moses is referred to as the Lucifer
Speaker 3: in a couple of quotes and maybe even a couple
Speaker 3: of apostles, you know, like so it when you have
Speaker 3: seen it with like Cristos the Christ's that's like the anointed,
Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those things because like the
Speaker 3: people that gave us the Bible gave us a certain
Speaker 3: translation of it, and that translation was kind of rewrote
Speaker 3: a few times, but even the original languages that were
Speaker 3: written in those people made those languages and then made
Speaker 3: the dictionaries to go with those languages, and then rewrote
Speaker 3: those dictionaries over time, and then translated to English and
Speaker 3: then retranslated it over time. So it's hard to say
Speaker 3: what the Bible is actually trying to tell us, like
Speaker 3: like are we talking about.
Speaker 4: You know, I respectfully disagree, And my reason for that
Speaker 4: isn't as actually faith based as it would lead on.
Speaker 4: So I'm a big person about context and historical context
Speaker 4: being a very important thing, like, for instance, cristos, the
Speaker 4: Greek word.
Speaker 5: There are some that means to rubb on the eyes.
Speaker 4: There's some translation that means to put on the skin,
Speaker 4: like a topical ointment type thing.
Speaker 5: Anoint meant type of thing. You see what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 5: but at the same time it can means something else,
Speaker 5: all right, annoying with oil.
Speaker 4: But then one hundred years and literally in one hundred
Speaker 4: a D it's used in a medical reference as a
Speaker 4: topical ointment.
Speaker 5: Is it topical or is it orally ingested?
Speaker 3: So like the phrase drugs, that's just one of the
Speaker 3: ways they administer drugs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, but it wasn't used that way whenever at
Speaker 4: zero a D. The language translates a bit. It changes
Speaker 4: with time, and an example of that would be the
Speaker 4: difference between a butt dial and a booty call. Okay,
Speaker 4: now those words should be a neck and neck now
Speaker 4: hear me out now, okay, but booty call dial. Somebody
Speaker 4: reading a text two thousand years from now would look
Speaker 4: at that and mean, oh well, these clearly must be
Speaker 4: in the same thing.
Speaker 5: You could see it here it's like, no, a butt
Speaker 5: dial is not a booty call at all.
Speaker 4: Right, So when we look at these ancient texts, we
Speaker 4: need to look at the context and the time that
Speaker 4: to which they were written and to what audience. I'm
Speaker 4: very big about that one as well, because like, for instance,
Speaker 4: there's books that were written to a specific group of people.
Speaker 4: Now we can gain some wisdom from that excerpt, right,
Speaker 4: but understand that we may not need to apply that
Speaker 4: to our lives directly because that was written to a
Speaker 4: specific group.
Speaker 5: But that's it's all for another day.
Speaker 4: But when we talk about the language itself, we can
Speaker 4: now see because we have experts of the Greek language,
Speaker 4: and experts of the Latin language, and experts of the
Speaker 4: Egyptian hieroglyphs, and experts of Sumerian and Cuneiform b and
Speaker 4: they can all now attest to what the Bible's true
Speaker 4: message was supposed to be.
Speaker 5: It's a fascinating study, it really is.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, just before we even go any farther, this
Speaker 2: is not about who's right and who's wrong. We're we're
Speaker 2: talking about different perspectives here. So and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that that's what you're doing.
Speaker 5: Full disagreement, that's all. No, I'm trying to bait a
Speaker 5: fire by any means.
Speaker 2: It's just you. You're you have a certain way that
Speaker 2: you were brought up with certain teachings, and that is truth,
Speaker 2: and that is history. And you've and you've done your
Speaker 2: your very best in order to like cement it within
Speaker 2: your own mind.
Speaker 4: There are there are all a time, I tried to
Speaker 4: disprove it by these means. I tried to find ways
Speaker 4: to poke holes and fallacies. Now pause. I also don't
Speaker 4: believe the entire Old Testament is a like verbatim story
Speaker 4: of how things took place. I believe that's like a
Speaker 4: bedtime story version of the actual events that took place.
Speaker 4: Just so we're clear on that. I believe it's like,
Speaker 4: like I've said before, how do you explain sex to
Speaker 4: a child? Okay, you don't tell them the ins and
Speaker 4: outs of it. You tell them, yeah, exactly, You tell
Speaker 4: them a story that they can manage and they can comprehend.
Speaker 4: It's not a lie, it's not a lie, but you
Speaker 4: give it to them in a way that they can process.
Speaker 5: I believe that's the Old Testament in a.
Speaker 4: Rightshell right well, and certain parts that are historical certain
Speaker 4: parts that are like bare bones outlines, and there's reasons
Speaker 4: for that, and I understand why there's controversy surrounding that
Speaker 4: as well, with all respect, I really get it.
Speaker 5: That's all right.
Speaker 2: And conversely, you would have people who are into witchcraft
Speaker 2: or Satanism or magic, and and there's different realms of thought.
Speaker 2: So it's not to say that somebody's right or somebody's wrong.
Speaker 2: These are different philosophies. Look at it that way.
Speaker 4: If you don't apply the Bible, then everything I just
Speaker 4: said doesn't matter. Like this is just my perspective on it,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So like when he's talking
Speaker 4: about these demons and stuff, I'm listening intently because I've
Speaker 4: never heard about certain things that he's been talking about.
Speaker 5: So like I'm listening.
Speaker 2: But it's not to say that every magician's gonna think
Speaker 2: the same as as Byron does either.
Speaker 5: I don't know, right, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't even talking about the fallen, you know, like the
Speaker 3: Watchers either, you know, so there's a you know, because
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the magic of King Solomon, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a little different.
Speaker 4: Right now, I do want to ask you about the
Speaker 4: magic of King Solomon in particular, seeing as how you
Speaker 4: know about it. The Freemason reference it a good bit, right.
Speaker 4: The Illuminati referenced it in another way when they combined forces.
Speaker 4: They kind of brought in a couple of different esoteric things,
Speaker 4: but the lesser and greater Keys of Solomon seem to
Speaker 4: be very very important into them. The Kabala's referenced a
Speaker 4: couple of times. What do you know about all of
Speaker 4: these things and how do they all connect to those orders?
Speaker 3: See, this is actually what I really wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3: Fucks too, you know. So all right, so one thing
Speaker 3: I want to go into, I guess go into Kabala first.
Speaker 3: And this doesn't mean like Abala is evil just because
Speaker 3: they have used it in this manner. But you know,
Speaker 3: the heliocentric model a big maybe not in the beginning
Speaker 3: because it took like five hundred years to really kind
Speaker 3: of craft the heliocentric model, but a lot of it
Speaker 3: was borrowed from Kabbala. What we have today, you know,
Speaker 3: like if you know it's like all the six six
Speaker 3: sixes in the heliocentric model that the Sun is sixty
Speaker 3: six thousand, six hundred miles away from the Earth, the
Speaker 3: angle is sixty six point six degrees. The formula for
Speaker 3: curvature is eight inches per mile square. Eight inches just
Speaker 3: happens to be point sixty sixty six of a foot.
Speaker 3: Even even NASA, if you spell out the whole word,
Speaker 3: adds up to six hundred and sixty six.
Speaker 5: Uh, I've never heard that. I just checked that.
Speaker 4: When the Sun is ninety three million miles away from
Speaker 4: the Sun, the Earth is that far away. Oh excuse me, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the Earth is no ath to your point, it's nine
Speaker 4: three point six y nine.
Speaker 5: So I mean, shit, no, I those are all divisibles
Speaker 5: of three and six dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, I met the I met the velocity. I
Speaker 3: met the orbital velocity the Earth going around. Sorry, yeah, yea,
Speaker 3: that the brain fart. So I'm glad you caught me.
Speaker 3: So people, so I didn't lose my street credit with
Speaker 3: the flat earther is listening, you know, no doubt bro.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: Also, even the concept of the sphere, you know, comes
Speaker 3: from the spheres of the Kabala. The Earth is in
Speaker 3: the Sun, is in the center of the tree of life,
Speaker 3: you know. And you know, like I said what I
Speaker 3: said earlier, how six sixty six is the number of
Speaker 3: the Sun, like in planetary magic that the magic square
Speaker 3: for the Sun adds up to six hundred and sixty six,
Speaker 3: and it's six by six, six numbers going this way,
Speaker 3: six numbers going this way. Now here's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3: This is the one thing that I haven't heard a
Speaker 3: lot of truther Is go into, and I was really
Speaker 3: hoping to get into. It was when you cross the abyss,
Speaker 3: like you pass, you go through at and past the Abyss.
Speaker 3: It's pretty much the only part of the tree of
Speaker 3: life that really has like a warning to it that
Speaker 3: if you don't have your ego and check, you'll pretty
Speaker 3: much destroy yourself. You'll be like kind of like devoured
Speaker 3: by these energies and just be like lost in the abyss.
Speaker 3: If you don't have, if you don't like shed your
Speaker 3: ego before you you cross the abyss. Now space is
Speaker 3: the abyss. Basically, it's basically kind of what they created
Speaker 3: when they came out the heliocentric model. And so when
Speaker 3: you look at like the heliocentric model was to kind
Speaker 3: of create this materialistic, atheistic physical mindset, you know, so
Speaker 3: basically it's basically trapped most of humanity, not all, but
Speaker 3: a lot of humanity is trapped in this egoic mindset
Speaker 3: because of the mindless materialism that we're in, and a
Speaker 3: big part of that is because of like evolution and
Speaker 3: the heliocentric model and so like. Like I said, the
Speaker 3: only part of the treo lot that really comes with
Speaker 3: a lot of warning is crossing the abyss because you
Speaker 3: have to shed your ego before you do it. Where
Speaker 3: we're lost in the abyss right now, but we're also
Speaker 3: trapped in the ego at the same time. It's a
Speaker 3: really clever way of kind of cursing humanity and a
Speaker 3: lot of Truthers and flatter because I've never heard any
Speaker 3: of them mention it, and they it just kind of
Speaker 3: went over their head. And there's probably someone out there
Speaker 3: who's already talked about this. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But well, let me ask you this. As as far
Speaker 2: as the Tree of life, I know that that is
Speaker 2: a a cabbalistic thing, right, Well, is that also related
Speaker 2: to yid yoursel within Norse mythology? Is that just a
Speaker 2: different kind of story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of these there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of these. Are the are the same, It's indest
Speaker 3: is a little bit different because the Earth is in
Speaker 3: the center, and then some of the realms on idrisill
Speaker 3: Uh are kind of more dark and negative, like you
Speaker 3: have the dark elves and machine elves and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and the ice giants and stuff, and others are like
Speaker 3: the light elves and fairies and you know Alice guard
Speaker 3: and you know. So it's not an apples to apples comparison,
Speaker 3: but it's uh. But you know, there, there's it's it's
Speaker 3: it's similar enough to where yeah, I think, so okay,
Speaker 3: okay personally, so somebody, some of the armchair cults would
Speaker 3: probably argue with me on that, but whatever, they can
Speaker 3: eat a dick et a dick bitch.
Speaker 2: So the the idea around the you're saying from your
Speaker 2: perspective as to why you you're a flat earther, right.
Speaker 3: I prefer geocentrist planar form geocentrist, because when you say
Speaker 3: the word flatter Earth, they just shishka Bob's people's brains
Speaker 3: and their heads explode.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a trigger word these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it probably comes with that egoic sense of
Speaker 3: what I was talking about earlier, being lost in the
Speaker 3: abyss and trapped in your ego.
Speaker 2: So you're a geocentrist as opposed to a heliocentrist. Let's
Speaker 2: just put it in those terms. So you're saying that
Speaker 2: according to NASA and their their dimensions of Earth away
Speaker 2: from certain stars and certain planets and stuff like that. It,
Speaker 2: I mean, it couldn't just be a coincidence that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of six six to six and a lot
Speaker 2: of like satanic shit that's involved in the uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the distance away from all these places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, some flatters even associated to here leocentric
Speaker 3: model with the Antichrist because of all the six six
Speaker 3: sixes and how it's taken so many people away from
Speaker 3: the Creator, and even the people that believe in the
Speaker 3: Creator are still kind of lost in the abyss. I
Speaker 3: still don't know, you know, they don't have like a
Speaker 3: real connection with the Creator, you know.
Speaker 2: So I guess my idea behind all of that six
Speaker 2: six six numerology, so to say, would be that, you know,
Speaker 2: six six to six, it's not a crazy fraction. It's
Speaker 2: two thirds.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: If we're talking about you know, nine twenty sevens well,
Speaker 2: I guess that would be one third. But like, what
Speaker 2: are you doing if we're talking about some kind of
Speaker 2: like crazy if we're talking about like some kind of
Speaker 2: like crazy fraction or whatever. It would be a little
Speaker 2: bit more obvious that, you know, do you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like it just seems like two thirds is
Speaker 2: a pretty easy fraction that would be commonly seen within
Speaker 2: the realm of reality.
Speaker 3: There almost be a connection there with the way Jacob's
Speaker 3: talking about with you know, a third of the angels falling,
Speaker 3: because that would leave six, you know about sixx point
Speaker 3: sixty six six left point three three three would have
Speaker 3: came down here.
Speaker 5: You know, that's true.
Speaker 3: So there there there could be a connection there too,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean it's hard to say, you know,
Speaker 3: you know it's this realms are real mindful. There's a
Speaker 3: reason why, you know, you know, like some cultures would
Speaker 3: call it maya this the earth, if you know, and
Speaker 3: it means illusion. You know, the matrix is just one
Speaker 3: big mindfulg you know. That's just how it is.
Speaker 4: I actually, it's almost keep in mind, the numbers mean
Speaker 4: different things for different cultures. Right in the Chinese culture,
Speaker 4: four is the unlucky number, not six. Right in the
Speaker 4: western side of things, the European Mesopotamian area, that the
Speaker 4: number six. It seems to be like the number of
Speaker 4: X or y or z or something that could be
Speaker 4: this or could be that. I remember hearing certain people
Speaker 4: go on these pastors would go on these rants about
Speaker 4: how six was the number of the earth, that was
Speaker 4: the number of Satan, because Satan and has a dominance.
Speaker 5: Over the earth right now. Seven is the number of gods,
Speaker 5: the number of holiness, and all these things. I don't
Speaker 5: believe any of these.
Speaker 4: Gentlemen actually did any kind of research into numerology, although
Speaker 4: they may have found like a kernel of truth somewhere
Speaker 4: that they decide to like mention.
Speaker 5: It's like how many examples are there that you're pulling from?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: You just have to kind of keep it in a
Speaker 3: mental post it in your brain, you know, and you
Speaker 3: have to kind of eat the fruit and throw at
Speaker 3: the peel when it comes to a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3: But you still have to be kind of flexible and
Speaker 3: open minded because more information might come later, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: especially when you're on the right path. You know, more
Speaker 3: information will just just fall right on your lap when
Speaker 3: you're on the right path, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's it attracts itself to you.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a real mind fuck, you know, and
Speaker 3: a lot of the heliocentric model came from the Catholic Church,
Speaker 3: you know, which is really weird. And even the Big
Speaker 3: Bang theory came from a Catholic priests, a Jesuit Catholic priests.
Speaker 4: So many people don't know that. It's like they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I've never met a Christian that believes in the Big Bang.
Speaker 4: I'm like, first of all, right here, secondly a priest
Speaker 4: came up with it, but all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: The thing is, only only some Christians, you know, don't
Speaker 3: believe in the current model. Only some of them, you know,
Speaker 3: like very few Christians, you know think the Earth is
Speaker 3: like six thousand years old. But no one really knows
Speaker 3: how old this place is, how long we've been here.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't just find a bone in the
Speaker 3: dirt and be like, oh, yeod, it's you know, eleven
Speaker 3: million years old. You know, they don't know, they don't
Speaker 3: know shit, you know, like, but but we want to know,
Speaker 3: you know. And and science has this real arrogance to
Speaker 3: them where they don't like unanswered questions and they're right,
Speaker 3: and they'll attack you for it until they're proven wrong
Speaker 3: by enough people. To where they have to fucking change
Speaker 3: their theory.
Speaker 4: So what is your take on archaeology, especially when we
Speaker 4: talk about the realms of ancient magic, right because a
Speaker 4: lot of these things were discovered from old manuscripts, old books,
Speaker 4: old talismans, things like that, So archaeologists and anthropologists had
Speaker 4: to be the ones to decipher that and decode It's
Speaker 4: that we could even have this discussion right now.
Speaker 5: So where do you believe the archaeology fallacies start.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it starts with Knaea farm and Egyptian
Speaker 3: hieroglyphics and some of the South American architecture.
Speaker 5: So the fallacies start immediately.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that a lot of these sites. A
Speaker 3: lot of these sites were built in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds, so when.
Speaker 4: The archaeologists claimed that the so we're talking like when
Speaker 4: we say ancient magic, you're talking about like five hundred
Speaker 4: years ago ancient.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I like a lot of those manuscripts, like
Speaker 3: the lesser ks All stuff, allegedly it's like five hundred
Speaker 3: years old, but it could be older. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to say, you know, because I mean the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church, the Vatican is it like, are responsible for
Speaker 3: a humble number is ninety five percent of our ancient documents,
Speaker 3: but scholars say that it's over ninety nine percent.
Speaker 5: When you say our do you mean humanities the Western world?
Speaker 3: Yeah, humanities, ancient knowledge, Yeah, it comes from straight straight
Speaker 3: from the Vatican.
Speaker 4: They created about the Vedix, though, do you believe they
Speaker 4: account for like a history of at least that side
Speaker 4: of the world or I also fairy tales.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's as old as you would think,
Speaker 3: because the British has been in there late seventeen hundreds
Speaker 3: early eighteen Hunters wiped a lot of people out, took
Speaker 3: all their books, all their doctrines, gave them the whole
Speaker 3: new ones in the Middle East. The Middle East was
Speaker 3: completely empty in the eighteen Hunters.
Speaker 5: No one was there.
Speaker 3: What people called Jerusalem now it wasn't even called Palestine.
Speaker 3: Like a bunch a bunch of like the British and
Speaker 3: the Zionists and everything. They were trying to figure out
Speaker 3: where are we going to put Palestine and then they
Speaker 3: came up with what we call Palace. What's Palestine now Israel,
Speaker 3: you know, But but before that it was Al Kutz,
Speaker 3: but only like a thousand people lived there. In Jerusalem,
Speaker 3: only like a thousand people live there. It's completely empty
Speaker 3: in like eighteen sixty completely empty. No one lived there.
Speaker 3: Bag Dag, which what we call Babylon, completely empty in
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds, completely empty, not a person there.
Speaker 4: So hold on the temple of Nebukonezer that Saddam Hussein
Speaker 4: had rebuilt and found all the old artifacts and all
Speaker 4: of these things.
Speaker 5: That's complete horseshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, absolutely, yeah, yeah. So, And this is a
Speaker 3: real issue because you guys are probably familiar with like
Speaker 3: the whole Tartaria thing.
Speaker 4: A lot of the whole lot were we have tried
Speaker 4: to have someone come on to go into depth about
Speaker 4: what Tartaria is and isn't because there is historical precedence
Speaker 4: because the Mongols were also called the Tartars and what
Speaker 4: we now call Mongolia, and a lot of northern China
Speaker 4: and a lot of that area of Russia was called Tartaria.
Speaker 4: But somehow a mud flood gets mixed into this and
Speaker 4: somehow that's also Tartaria. Then I hear things about these
Speaker 4: ancient buildings that were allegedly built two hundred years ago ago,
Speaker 4: but some saying that they're actually thirty thousand years old,
Speaker 4: and somehow they survived the mud flood.
Speaker 5: I don't we need to have that conversation, but nobody
Speaker 5: has came on to have it.
Speaker 2: We understand the basic concept behind tartaria, but we haven't
Speaker 2: had somebody describe it in detail.
Speaker 3: So all of this stuff, what really started it started
Speaker 3: it was new chronology and what happened there was at
Speaker 3: the fall of the Soviet Empire. They had been brainwashed
Speaker 3: so hard and given a false history to the point
Speaker 3: where they're like, we have no idea what's real. Let's
Speaker 3: apply what I don't know what the Russian term for
Speaker 3: it is, but it translates into Russian critical thinking. Let's
Speaker 3: apply Russian critical thinking to our history and see what
Speaker 3: we can prove for a fact. And it really wasn't
Speaker 3: a lot. This is where a new chronology comes from,
Speaker 3: and a lot of it comes from like anatolely Famenco.
Speaker 3: But he's not just one person, He's a thousand people,
Speaker 3: and they were going over all our historical documents everything
Speaker 3: they could. He was a mathematician and he was applying
Speaker 3: like the skyclock and eclipses because that was something that
Speaker 3: was kind of reliable. It's like you know, if you
Speaker 3: if you remember in the Bible, Jesus was crucified to
Speaker 3: a certain eclipse, and he did the math and he
Speaker 3: found out that Jesus was actually crucified like around like
Speaker 3: ten thirty five. And so when I first kind of
Speaker 3: got my my penis wet on, the whole New Chronology
Speaker 3: thing was believe it or not, odd, it's odd. It
Speaker 3: was a Christian guy made a documentary called Ancient Aliens
Speaker 3: Debunked back in like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and most
Speaker 3: debunking documentaries are really stupid. It's all just like straw
Speaker 3: manning and gas lighting, and you know, like you just
Speaker 3: watched like a nine to eleven debunking video and it's
Speaker 3: like literally the most god awful piece of trash will
Speaker 3: ever see.
Speaker 5: And hey, now that's what was my red pill moment.
Speaker 5: Don't be talking shit about those old school YouTube.
Speaker 3: Night Oh no, no, I'm talking about nine to eleven
Speaker 3: d bunking documentaries.
Speaker 5: Oh the ones talking about the.
Speaker 3: One yeah, like the pancake theory and stuff.
Speaker 5: That really was the first video that did it for me.
Speaker 4: I was a freshman at high school and someone like said, Joe,
Speaker 4: check this out and looking back on it, that was
Speaker 4: such dog shit animation. The video quality was asked, the
Speaker 4: audio sounded like he was talking through a fucking tube.
Speaker 5: But Bro, that was the moment, you know what.
Speaker 4: I mean, and I know exactly Tom about there was
Speaker 4: the people that came on just to shit all over it.
Speaker 4: When it's like, bro, have you done any of the
Speaker 4: math he just talked about that shit made way too
Speaker 4: much sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, So ancient aniens debunked. And it wasn't even
Speaker 3: so much that he's debunking ancient aliens and stuff, but
Speaker 3: he showed like realistically, like how this stuff was done.
Speaker 3: Like he showed uh videos in like the nineties of
Speaker 3: like you know these Arabs like making these cement blocks
Speaker 3: to uh to to build some of these newer monuments
Speaker 3: they have in Egypt and stuff, and they've actually X
Speaker 3: rayed blocks from the Great Pyramids and they are a geopolymer.
Speaker 3: Some men. There's stuff of filling they have like like
Speaker 3: grass and stuff on the inside there's stuffed with like fillings.
Speaker 3: So they were But another good one they had in
Speaker 3: this documentary was this guy. He was a construction worker
Speaker 3: and he was building these giant mega liths in his
Speaker 3: backyard all by himself, like seventeen thousand pound blocks, twenty
Speaker 3: thousand pound blocks. He's moving completely by himself. And he
Speaker 3: would do it was just like a pebble. He'd put
Speaker 3: a pebble like right on the center of gravity and
Speaker 3: he would just scoot the block over where he goes.
Speaker 5: And he was British, dudent.
Speaker 3: This guy wasn't British, he was American. But I'm sure
Speaker 3: other people are doing it now, because i mean this
Speaker 3: is ten years ago, ten eleven years ago, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and this guy like moved a whole barn by himself.
Speaker 3: He lifted it up and moved it by himself, just
Speaker 3: one man. And he was building, you know. And and
Speaker 3: this documentary also showed videos of the guy building Cora
Speaker 3: Clett Castle basically using the same techniques.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought up Coral castle now.
Speaker 4: He claimed that he was using electro magnetism to not
Speaker 4: only move the coral but cut them, shape them everything.
Speaker 4: He said that somehow that was the secret of the Egyptians, right,
Speaker 4: But then I've also seen this. It was a British too,
Speaker 4: But you're right, I seen an American guy do it too.
Speaker 4: But basically He had like a whole situation with two
Speaker 4: by fours just around this massive boulder that he claimed
Speaker 4: to have cut by very simple tool means, and he
Speaker 4: was moving it. He was rolling it like ten yards
Speaker 4: with like just one hand because of his knowledge of
Speaker 4: physics and how to get an object in motion will
Speaker 4: stay in motion the whole nine yards. Yeah, and so
Speaker 4: when these people talk about was alien technology, it's like, no,
Speaker 4: it may be lost technology, but it doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: it was beyond human scope. Like humans have done really
Speaker 4: badass shit, Like I don't know if you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I mean they're basically just like doing
Speaker 3: judo where they're just like manipulating that apex you know
Speaker 3: that center point, Yeah, of gravity, you know, if you
Speaker 3: want to call it gravity. But yeah, and so then
Speaker 3: so then like right around the same time, like twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, Cliff High did a video or an interview
Speaker 3: where he's talking about new chronology. So like, so this
Speaker 3: is like right after I saw ancient aliens debunked and
Speaker 3: I saw these like legitimate techniques that you could use
Speaker 3: to build this stuff today, and then I saw Cliff
Speaker 3: High talking about new chronology and Anatoli Famenco and then
Speaker 3: it really just clicked and like the first people that
Speaker 3: were talking about this stuff were debunking these ancient sites
Speaker 3: and even like in Iraq and stuff, you know how
Speaker 3: like Isis was blowing up these structures and smashing him
Speaker 3: with sledgehammers. Yeah, do you know did you watch any
Speaker 3: of those videos when they smash them with sledgehammers. They're
Speaker 3: made out of reinf on the inside, it's reinforced rubar rebar,
Speaker 3: which means those statues had been made after like eighteen
Speaker 3: fifty eighteen sixty. You're probably made eighteen eighty.
Speaker 4: So the story behind that, and actually we will be
Speaker 4: doing an episode on this very soon. Did y'all know
Speaker 4: that the owners of Hobby Lobby got in some serious
Speaker 4: trouble recently because they lobby Well, the owners of Hobby
Speaker 4: Lobby are devout Christians, right, it's a big, big deal.
Speaker 5: It's a Christian known company.
Speaker 3: My logical supplies from there. Whenever I eat candles and
Speaker 3: boxes or anything.
Speaker 5: I go to Holly On man, fucking right, dude. So
Speaker 5: so here's the deal.
Speaker 4: They are in some hot water right now because apparently
Speaker 4: they through a channel which we're going to go into
Speaker 4: helped fund isis because they were buying black market artifacts
Speaker 4: from the temple, from the castle that Saddam Hussein had built.
Speaker 4: They were buying them on the black market. They paid
Speaker 4: like two million dollars for a shard of the original
Speaker 4: story of the Epic of Gilgamesh and they put it
Speaker 4: on display in the Museum of the Holy Bible. Right,
Speaker 4: So when the time came in, Iraq kind of got
Speaker 4: well high rego. We got reses at least beat them down.
Speaker 5: To where they weren't really a threat anymore.
Speaker 4: Iraq started to try to put together that museum again,
Speaker 4: but this time they put out fake artifacts because they
Speaker 4: were worried a that they would get stolen or damaged,
Speaker 4: and B they couldn't fucking find them because the black
Speaker 4: market had already taken them all so too. And I'm
Speaker 4: not sure where the video you're talking about was shot.
Speaker 4: If it was around that timeframe when it was the
Speaker 4: fake ones that were out there, that could be the explanation.
Speaker 5: But if it was prior to that, I don't know
Speaker 5: what to say.
Speaker 3: Man, Well, they still like even when you see like them,
Speaker 3: like first escavating these statues, they look brand new, you know,
Speaker 3: you can you can just tell by looking them. They
Speaker 3: look brand new, even in like the black and white
Speaker 3: videos when they're first excavating them. But uh, but yeah,
Speaker 3: so I saw each anali as de bunked and he,
Speaker 3: I mean, he shows them building these giant blocks for
Speaker 3: the pyramids, and uh, and how they're made out of
Speaker 3: geopolymers and you look at I forget if it's Puma
Speaker 3: punku or Machi pichi, but it was just giant h blow. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you could totally tell that's a cement. And they
Speaker 3: were made with a mold like those were not carved
Speaker 3: each individually like that. You can just tell by looking
Speaker 3: at them, you know.
Speaker 5: And they can track the stone and see it's one
Speaker 5: solid piece.
Speaker 3: Though, No, there's no way, I guarantee you, I guarantee you. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll guarantee you. No one could do that. And but
Speaker 3: it'd be way too easy.
Speaker 5: To do it with what do you believe on the
Speaker 5: Easter Island heads, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't know, but that's been that's closed off
Speaker 3: now you can't even go visit it. You can't go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: apparently it got closed off a few recently.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, the past couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that because the COVID or some shit.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what. Uh okay, but but I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if the whole concept of New Chronology
Speaker 3: had something to do with it, because, like I said,
Speaker 3: people started realizing there's something weird with these with a
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they found there's bodies attached to them.
Speaker 3: Oh is there?
Speaker 5: Yeah? They they recently started like for some reason everybody, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: under the ground.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, these heads are super cool. No one
Speaker 4: thought to dig into if there was anything below the neck.
Speaker 3: Did you see that documentary where they were showing how
Speaker 3: you can move those how they tied like big ropes
Speaker 3: to them and they're all just like walking it into
Speaker 3: place and stuff. Yeah, kind of what we're talking about,
Speaker 3: what we were talking about earlier, you know, and so
Speaker 3: so so then you know, the early videos of New
Speaker 3: Chronology was all about this kind of stuff, showing like
Speaker 3: all these kind of like hoaxes and how a lot
Speaker 3: of these sites were built because they took videos and
Speaker 3: I mean had videos, but photos of them building these sites.
Speaker 3: You know, when you look at like and and to
Speaker 3: really understand what you're even looking at, you have to
Speaker 3: look at like mining sites in the early eighteen hundreds
Speaker 3: because a lot of these places they were mined, and
Speaker 3: after they were done mining them, they basically turned them
Speaker 3: into a tourist attraction. You know. They like if you
Speaker 3: look at before and after videos our pictures of that
Speaker 3: with a hepsat Sue the temple Hepsatshu temple in Egypt.
Speaker 3: That that's a real obvious one. You have to see that.
Speaker 3: So you know, it was all meat and potatoes. People
Speaker 3: are just sing some one of.
Speaker 5: The one that was carved into the side of a
Speaker 5: mountain or non thing of Petra my bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's another one that you know. But anyway,
Speaker 3: that was another mining site that they carved into. You know,
Speaker 3: oh wow. But they it's not just Egypt either, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's Greece, it's China. You know, like a lot
Speaker 3: of those big Buddha statues, like a lot of that,
Speaker 3: Like they mined the side of a mountain and then
Speaker 3: they built a statue there and decorated it, and you know,
Speaker 3: now it's like an ancient site and it wasn't. It
Speaker 3: was just a mining site because you can't just build
Speaker 3: a city on there because it's unstable, okay, and so
Speaker 3: you know, like so they're you know, twenty fourteen to
Speaker 3: like twenty sixteen, all this new chronology stuff was coming out,
Speaker 3: and it was all solid meat and potatoes, meat and potatoes,
Speaker 3: you know, all stuff that's really solid. Then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden people got to look at like the uh
Speaker 3: World's Fairs, and then it just kind of started evolving
Speaker 3: and evolving and evolving into we couldn't build this today?
Speaker 3: How could they build this with horsts and buggies? We
Speaker 3: couldn't build this today, you know, Like how could they
Speaker 3: build this in a hundred years?
Speaker 5: It's like, we really could build that today very quickly.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, And that was a lot of these people
Speaker 3: dont understand, Like dude, like parts of the East Coast
Speaker 3: were settled in the fifteen hundreds. Uh, like Petersburg, Virginia,
Speaker 3: that was settled in sixteen hundred, right, you know, so
Speaker 3: like up to like the World's Fair, you're telling me
Speaker 3: in two hundred years, they couldn't build a city, you know.
Speaker 3: And then like a lot of the reason too, is
Speaker 3: like they're so decorative, right, but that's just a facade.
Speaker 3: Behind that facade, it is just a regular ugly brick building, right,
Speaker 3: I think that it's just a decorative, the sad of
Speaker 3: it are. And there are catalogs in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 3: where they're selling those facades and a lot of them
Speaker 3: are made out of cast iron and all that stuff
Speaker 3: where you can buy. You can look at these these
Speaker 3: catalogs and you can compare it to each building that
Speaker 3: people call tartaria. And look at these catalog full of
Speaker 3: these like if ornamental pieces for these facades, and you
Speaker 3: can find them in each and every of these buildings,
Speaker 3: you know, Like so there is a paper trail of
Speaker 3: them building these just like you know, people think that
Speaker 3: you know it.
Speaker 5: Was so tell you what.
Speaker 4: So we don't have many occasions, though, in our modern day,
Speaker 4: for us to throw together like an elaborate insta city,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, with all the bells and
Speaker 4: whistles and shit. But I'll tell you one example that
Speaker 4: happened pretty recently. And if anybody really wants to like
Speaker 4: go into the type of logistics that it would take
Speaker 4: to pull some shit like that off, and how well,
Speaker 4: who's got the money who could pull it? We couldn't
Speaker 4: even all right, There was a wedding recently in India.
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all heard about it, but it's
Speaker 4: essentially like the biggest wedding of the century. The equivalent
Speaker 4: of Indian corporate royalty married the actual equivalent of Indian royalty,
Speaker 4: and like anybody who's anybody in that entire fucking subcontinent
Speaker 4: was there and it was a whole thing. The amount
Speaker 4: of elaborate, just over the top shit for this wedding,
Speaker 4: big dog.
Speaker 5: If we wanted to pull.
Speaker 4: Off a World's Fair, we could really do that and
Speaker 4: it would look like some next level Martian shit and
Speaker 4: people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference because
Speaker 4: of Ai.
Speaker 5: Gonna be real with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, look at all those giant cities
Speaker 3: in China right now. They've built those up in just
Speaker 3: a few years, and there's no one even living there.
Speaker 3: But no one there's a you know, there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of them, just giant cities. You know, they look like
Speaker 3: New York. No one's living there, Japle architecture, no one's
Speaker 3: there completely. I mean they built them in just a
Speaker 3: few years. Yeah, absolutely, man. And even Dubai, you know,
Speaker 3: like that was most of Dubai was built.
Speaker 4: Like thirty years perfect example, look at Dubai as an example,
Speaker 4: Look at Vegas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, Vegas was just a desert that was.
Speaker 4: A watering hole in the middle of bum fuck nowhere
Speaker 4: that some mafia bosses got together and was like, hey, boys,
Speaker 4: I got an idea.
Speaker 5: Let me cook with this one, but I promise it's
Speaker 5: gonna pay off.
Speaker 4: And then thing, you know, Vegas became one of the
Speaker 4: quote unquote wonders of the fucking world.
Speaker 5: Yeah we could do things, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, so like with with the whole New
Speaker 3: Chronology versus the whole Tartaria thing, there was a The
Speaker 3: thing that bothers me about it is, first of all,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of meat potatoes, like New Chronology is legit.
Speaker 3: But the thing is Anatola Fumenko because he's under supervision
Speaker 3: of the Russian government. There was a couple of things
Speaker 3: that he basically says, but he doesn't say, like he
Speaker 3: can't just come out and say that like all of
Speaker 3: Eastern Europe was Muslim, but he tells you like all
Speaker 3: the coins were Muslim, or you know, say like there's
Speaker 3: no god but alla. The king's crown has Arabic writing
Speaker 3: on it where it says there's no God but Alla.
Speaker 3: The swords all the soldiers have you know, from way
Speaker 3: back in the day, all have like Arabic inscriptions on him.
Speaker 3: How there's like you know Allah, you know and all that.
Speaker 3: And do you know that the Catholic symbol for the
Speaker 3: alpha the omega is completely like apples to apples, comparison,
Speaker 3: like perfect double of the The symbol for Allah, the
Speaker 3: alpha and omega for the Catholic Church is completely identical
Speaker 3: to Allah.
Speaker 5: I've never heard this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the and like I said, like, none
Speaker 3: of these coins exist in the Middle East. None of
Speaker 3: these swords exist in the Middle East, but they're all
Speaker 3: over Europe, all over Europe, you know.
Speaker 4: No to that point, damn, I wish I had my
Speaker 4: sword in here. I have my night fighting sword and
Speaker 4: my Boohert ship, but I don't have my Marine Corps sword.
Speaker 4: So I to your point, even on military blades today
Speaker 4: there is a star of David at the base of
Speaker 4: the hilt with a Damascus logo. And if you look
Speaker 4: at what that means, somehow it relates to Damascus steel, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, none of these blades are Damascus steel.
Speaker 4: They don't have any of the cool wave patterns any
Speaker 4: of the cool shittycy blacksmiths do. They do have some
Speaker 4: etching in them that make them ceremonial swords and all
Speaker 4: but across all military branches.
Speaker 5: And I've even seen other countries have that on it.
Speaker 4: Why is there a star of David that's supposed to
Speaker 4: be something connected to Damascus swords in government issued I'm
Speaker 4: just throwing it out.
Speaker 5: It's interesting connections, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: And so the thing with new chronology was it they
Speaker 3: weren't finished with it. It's still we're still learning about
Speaker 3: it now. And then everyone just kind of got derailed
Speaker 3: and it kind of evolved into like basically ancient aliens
Speaker 3: for flat earthers, where we couldn't build these today, you know.
Speaker 3: But but none of them are actually doing the actual
Speaker 3: research in the footwork. Here's another thing, dude, Like Uh
Speaker 3: Muhammad is mentioned throughout the whole Bible. But but they
Speaker 3: but they changed they changed the Uh the definition in
Speaker 3: all different that changes the transition all throughout the whole Bible.
Speaker 3: In some places it says the desire, in other places
Speaker 3: it says the precious you know. But it's not just Mohammad.
Speaker 3: The Mohammedans are also in the Bible.
Speaker 5: And when you when you go never heard any of this, bro.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, this is legit. Like like I said,
Speaker 3: the symbol for alpha and omega is a law and
Speaker 3: is the the godly and the uh, and a lot
Speaker 3: of it was uh in the Bible. They switched a
Speaker 3: lot of the ease or these.
Speaker 5: All depending on the language. They didn't have vowels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I know, I'm talking about the translations talking
Speaker 3: the people that that basically wiped out all of Europe
Speaker 3: and then rewrote our history.
Speaker 5: Right. No, no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So, like the original didn't have the vowels, so when
Speaker 4: it got translated to this language versus that language, it
Speaker 4: would have that type of vowel versus this type.
Speaker 5: To your point, I'm agreeing with you.
Speaker 3: But but but even uh, even Viking swords up in
Speaker 3: like Norway and stuff, they all they still have like
Speaker 3: Arabic writing, this is no God but allah. And I
Speaker 3: think the Thirteenth Warrior is basically about that. Those archaeological finds,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: We recently had somebody on the show talk about how
Speaker 4: pretty much all language, therefore all religion, therefore all culture
Speaker 4: goes back to the Phenotians or the Phoenicians.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how people pronounce it. I've heard it
Speaker 5: both ways. I like to say Phoenician.
Speaker 4: But basically if you look at their alphabet and you
Speaker 4: look at it in as compared to Latin, Greek. I
Speaker 4: heard him say Sanskrit. I heard him say what was
Speaker 4: the other language of genth That helped me out. He
Speaker 4: basically broke down every thought on it aside from like
Speaker 4: the Asians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got into like Latin and Greek and Phoenician
Speaker 2: and like basically Hebrew, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And well what we call Hebrew today was actually like
Speaker 3: like the speakable and writeable Hebrew was arabad r. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was created in eighteen ninety by this one guy
Speaker 3: and he and he based off of Arabic, and basically
Speaker 3: the global language is basically Arabic. And they kind of
Speaker 3: splintered off later on. But there is even a group
Speaker 3: of Christians they got wiped out during World War two
Speaker 3: around Germany, and they were called the Alamani. They're a
Speaker 3: Christian but they they and they and they referred to
Speaker 3: God as Allah, but they were Christian, but they were
Speaker 3: completely wiped out. I think the Russians wiped them out
Speaker 3: of the Communists.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people don't like knowing that Russia was actually on
Speaker 4: the side of the Nazis until they flipped on the agreement,
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, the Russians did some heinous things during
Speaker 4: World War Two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Well, look, there's something that I kind of wanted to
Speaker 2: maybe tie into all of this though, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm obviously I'm somebody who questions history quite a lot,
Speaker 2: and regarding whether some of these things are hundreds or
Speaker 2: thousands or millennia years old or whatever, I mean, does
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily take away from the symbolism and that
Speaker 2: symbolism that you would use in magic or in prayer
Speaker 2: or anything like that, right, Like, they still hold the
Speaker 2: same value regardless of how old or young they are anyway, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's a good point because, you know, like because
Speaker 3: because I look at like like religion and it's sort
Speaker 3: of like an interface to the to God, like an
Speaker 3: interface to the divine, you know, where once you start
Speaker 3: doing the work and you start like you know, like
Speaker 3: working through these currents that you start kind of peeling
Speaker 3: through these layers of the onions and you kind of
Speaker 3: get to the true source. You know that I just
Speaker 3: kind of look at them as just an interface and
Speaker 3: as long as you actually do the work, you can
Speaker 3: you can get to what's really going on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: and so it's a real mindful because you know, like
Speaker 3: the Canada Forum wasn't even discovered until like nineteen hundred,
Speaker 3: nineteen ten or twenty or something.
Speaker 4: Bro I was just saying that the other day, all
Speaker 4: these people having these like vast insights of the ancient
Speaker 4: Samaran tablets. It's like, y'all realize, we couldn't even read
Speaker 4: that until the nineteen fifties, right, Like we didn't even
Speaker 4: know how to translate it until the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and uh, and then you look at like
Speaker 3: the Vatican and stuff. They didn't discover quote unquote discover
Speaker 3: quote ute unquote ancient Roman, Ancient Greece into like the
Speaker 3: fourteen hundreds. Like, how are you going to lose the
Speaker 3: culture that built you?
Speaker 4: You know that you came out of you know, like
Speaker 4: they claim that they don't like to make this claim,
Speaker 4: but here's what happened. The Greek Empire became the Greek
Speaker 4: Orthodox Church, right, That's what happened to the Eastern Roman Empire,
Speaker 4: the Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic Church. They already
Speaker 4: had their outposts set up, they already had their networks,
Speaker 4: they already had their followers.
Speaker 3: Like everything that we know about this stuff comes from
Speaker 3: the Vatican. So you're trusting the people that did those
Speaker 3: horrible atrocities to humanity. That's who you're trusting, you know,
Speaker 3: And you can't trust these people. They literally they pulled
Speaker 3: some sneaky little card where they claim ownership of God's
Speaker 3: creation and that's why they run the world. They filed
Speaker 3: some crazy document like a thousand or two thousand years ago,
Speaker 3: and that's why they think that they run the world.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: So modern archaeology is taking place right now that does
Speaker 4: to oberate certain stories.
Speaker 5: What is your take on that. I don't mean like
Speaker 5: carbon dating. I'm not talking like dinosaur I no, I
Speaker 5: wis let's talk.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. If your timeline is already jacked up,
Speaker 3: and you find a piece of pot in the ground,
Speaker 3: you're going to associate it with that jacked up timeline.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You brought up like the city found in sixteen hundred,
Speaker 4: for instance, right, so, like we do believe that that
Speaker 4: city was founded in America in the sixteen hundreds. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that the people came from England allegedly before that. So
Speaker 4: I mean, do we believe that at least that happened
Speaker 4: or is.
Speaker 5: That also Vatican lies?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: So like where where does it begin?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's hard to say. Uh, there's at least
Speaker 3: like some record, I guess, you know, at least the
Speaker 3: buildings and stuff were there, you know. But you know,
Speaker 3: once you go past a photographic record, it becomes really
Speaker 3: hard to say on anything. And that's and that's why,
Speaker 3: like you know, the Tartaria groups have kind of gone
Speaker 3: so crazy with all this stuff, is because because they're
Speaker 3: basing it on the photographic record, you know, which didn't
Speaker 3: start until like eighteen fifty.
Speaker 4: True, but the pictures worth a thousand words, right, and
Speaker 4: those old ten types were so easy to fuck up.
Speaker 4: It would have been easy to have something edited in
Speaker 4: right all of these Oh yeah, like how can we
Speaker 4: even trust the pictures?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, dude. Yeah, and it becomes a
Speaker 3: real mindfluck and anatoly fimgo goes over all this stuff.
Speaker 3: But like I said, I think it's really weird that
Speaker 3: what we call ancient Rome and ancient Greece wasn't discovered,
Speaker 3: you know, until like the fourteen hundreds, and then so
Speaker 3: here's something happened, right. So, Like I'm smoking a split
Speaker 3: at home, and I was thinking about, like how you
Speaker 3: can't even prove, like how do we even know these
Speaker 3: people existed? Right? So I start looking to see, like
Speaker 3: Julius Caesar, Right, how can we prove that he exists?
Speaker 3: So I start googling, like artifacts that prove Julius Caesar exists? Right?
Speaker 3: I find something it's from like the sixteen hundred to
Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds, right, and it's a remake of something that
Speaker 3: got destroyed in the fifteen hundreds. So you click on that,
Speaker 3: you have to remake of something they got destroyed, and
Speaker 3: the you know, one thousand, you click on that, and
Speaker 3: that's something that they don't even remember what happened to
Speaker 3: because they got destroyed two thousand years ago. It's like
Speaker 3: like everything when it comes to Julie Caesar was a
Speaker 3: remake of something they got destroyed, of a remake of
Speaker 3: something they got destroyed, of, a remake of something got destroyed.
Speaker 3: Like how many times can you replicate something that doesn't
Speaker 3: exist before it becomes an outright fraud.
Speaker 4: What do you say about like pharaohs and sarcophagus and
Speaker 4: things like that that had been exhumed, and like King
Speaker 4: Tut's tomb for instance, and like we knew that he
Speaker 4: was the young king and he died as a child,
Speaker 4: and we could read the higher glyphs and we knew
Speaker 4: that was King Tut.
Speaker 5: It said the age it was from.
Speaker 4: And then you look at him and it's like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: he had a club foot and a cleft lip, and
Speaker 4: that makes sense because they were like super fucking inbreeding
Speaker 4: over there with the royal family, and shit's like, what
Speaker 4: is your take on this?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: If because we have a photographic evidence that was only
Speaker 4: exhumed in the laste hundred and fifty years, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, how do you know they
Speaker 3: exhumed it or they didn't put it in there? You know,
Speaker 3: like even with the Sphinx, you know, the the Sphinx
Speaker 3: and the Pyramids, I think go back a little bit
Speaker 3: before the photographic period. I think around like eighteen twenty
Speaker 3: is when a lot of that stuff was built. But
Speaker 3: the Sphinx wasn't even done being built until like eighteen
Speaker 3: eighty eighteen ninety like they built those legs, like like
Speaker 3: right around eighteen eighty they finally built the legs.
Speaker 5: So all the inscriptions and paintings.
Speaker 3: And higher, there's videos of them painting it all up there.
Speaker 3: Got you, There's pictures of them painting it all up there.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Look at those hieroglyphs, dude, they don't
Speaker 3: look like they're two thousand years old, three thousand and
Speaker 3: four thousand years old. They look like they're one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty years old. They look crisp, they look brand new.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this though, does does and
Speaker 2: this is my thing that me and Jacob kind of
Speaker 2: will definitely disagree in, but does history necessarily make something
Speaker 2: more real or more true? I mean, whenever we're talking
Speaker 2: about because I know that within the realm of magic
Speaker 2: and consciousness and all that kind of stuff, does it
Speaker 2: real really? Does it really matter? I guess is my question,
Speaker 2: because there there could be something that I read from somebody.
Speaker 5: In affect the woo woo world I actually don't believe.
Speaker 5: So Jonathan, uh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: He didn't let me finish what I was trying to say,
Speaker 2: but I'm sorry. Basically, my point is is that you know,
Speaker 2: whenever you take away certain parts of history, does that
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude. It's it's this is why I
Speaker 2: don't really care for history, because there could be something
Speaker 2: that somebody wrote today and if and it'll resonate, you know,
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean well, well it was written today,
Speaker 2: so you can't really believe that, you know. My point
Speaker 2: is is that why is it that something written two
Speaker 2: thousand years ago has a lot more truth today than
Speaker 2: if somebody wrote something today? Do you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people believe in certain But what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is is that a lot of people will
Speaker 2: believe in certain religions or certain philosophies strictly because of
Speaker 2: their age, is my point. But just because somebody wrote
Speaker 2: some shit down two thousand and three thousand and four
Speaker 2: thousand years ago doesn't necessarily believe it mean that it's
Speaker 2: absolute truth. It just means that that's what people believe
Speaker 2: for that amount of time. Did Do you get one
Speaker 2: of the point that I'm trying to make here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, from a magic standpoint. To really
Speaker 3: kind of understand this, I think it's important to look
Speaker 3: at chaos magic. And when chaos magic first came out,
Speaker 3: and it was like in the seventeenth the seventies, actually
Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds, but you know, like the mid to late seventies,
Speaker 3: I think it came out of Britain. But a bunch
Speaker 3: of occultists were like, you know, like, we know magic works,
Speaker 3: but there's all this like folklore attached to it, all
Speaker 3: this superstition, religious stuff like, and so they started stripping
Speaker 3: a lot of that way and started seeing what worked.
Speaker 3: And the whole concept with chaos magic is using the
Speaker 3: power of belief to your to your benefit, that did it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you don't believe it's gonna work.
Speaker 3: You just have to kind of like suspend disbelief to
Speaker 3: get it to work. But when you start think of
Speaker 3: it like that, because you know you can you can
Speaker 3: summon you know, comic book characters if you want. And
Speaker 3: you look at and you know, these these entities might
Speaker 3: have even came from a real place, like he might
Speaker 3: have unintentionally channeled them to some extent, but you look
Speaker 3: at like HP Lovecrafts the Necronomicon. Uh, that's supposedly it's
Speaker 3: a completely work of fiction, but it's one of the
Speaker 3: most powerful grim works you could ever work with, Like,
Speaker 3: those entities are really powerful and apparently it's a complete
Speaker 3: work of fiction, but but it works really really.
Speaker 2: Well, right, And that's my point is so that you
Speaker 2: you've made an example on Meta Mysteries a few times
Speaker 2: talking about how you would be able to summon Scrooge
Speaker 2: McDuck to to be able to bring you a bunch
Speaker 2: of money, right, yeah, like clearly.
Speaker 3: You'd answer your questions everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly a fing cartoon, right clearly was something that
Speaker 2: was made in the you know, not that long ago.
Speaker 2: But that that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not that
Speaker 2: it's that it's fake or whatever, because you know, I
Speaker 2: guess my point is that if it works, it works.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how old or how new it is.
Speaker 3: If he answers your questions and he brings you money,
Speaker 3: that's pretty fucking real to me.
Speaker 2: You know, that's where I like to go. And I
Speaker 2: and I do understand, you know, how some people would like, well,
Speaker 2: this is what these people believe for this long and
Speaker 2: that that further proves its validity or whatever. I do
Speaker 2: understand that, but that that's not necessarily where it ends,
Speaker 2: is my point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mentioned this on Meta too, like the uh,
Speaker 3: the guy that wrote all the Conan comic books. You know,
Speaker 3: toward the end of the whole thing, you get out
Speaker 3: to the point where Conan was like literally physically there
Speaker 3: standing over him helping him write the comic books.
Speaker 5: That is a story.
Speaker 2: He became a real thing, right, That is a thing.
Speaker 2: So that's That's basically all I'm trying to say. Like
Speaker 2: whenever people question history, or maybe you disagree on history,
Speaker 2: maybe archaeology says one thing about history and other philosophers
Speaker 2: say something else about history. The point is I think
Speaker 2: that you know, whenever you're you get into a certain realm,
Speaker 2: like who gives a flying motherfuck about history?
Speaker 3: You know, and that's it's, uh, it's all workable still,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, because I mean like because like
Speaker 3: the Kabbala is probably like one of the more complete
Speaker 3: forms of systems of magic that that that that exists,
Speaker 3: the Kabbala, and probably like the Goatia less a case
Speaker 3: Solomon and uh, but the Kabala is like really intricate
Speaker 3: because it involves the Hebrew alphabet and all the different paths,
Speaker 3: and then you have the clip off where you go
Speaker 3: into like the more like realms of Hell, I guess,
Speaker 3: like the dark side of the tree and they you know,
Speaker 3: like but those are still concepts where people were like
Speaker 3: looking at because you know, most of the spheres are
Speaker 3: all represent the planets. You know, you got the Earth
Speaker 3: at the bottom, and then you have all of the uh,
Speaker 3: you know, mercury moon and all that, like all the
Speaker 3: sepharroths are basically so when you look at like because
Speaker 3: Kabala is like complicated, but when you look at it
Speaker 3: in terms of like planetary magic, it's extremely easy, right.
Speaker 2: Right, And I guess, like to further my point of
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, it's like just a crude example,
Speaker 2: I guess is the point that I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: across it Like.
Speaker 3: A lot of this stuff was just created by people.
Speaker 3: It was just ideas and philosophers had and then it
Speaker 3: kind of got perfected over.
Speaker 2: The years, you know, right right, Well, I guess my
Speaker 2: point is, like, you know, the example I was trying
Speaker 2: to make is that like, all right, let's say you
Speaker 2: got a Christian for example, right, Like we live in
Speaker 2: a country. There's a lot of Christians, so I'm just
Speaker 2: going to use that for an example. But like there
Speaker 2: are a lot of There are a lot of like
Speaker 2: ball Etherre Christians, and there is a lot of flat
Speaker 2: earth are Christians. And guess what one might believe that
Speaker 2: we live on a flat earth. That's that's what they believe.
Speaker 2: They walk out into the world, they say, wow, look
Speaker 2: at this beautiful flat earth. Right, Christianity still works for them.
Speaker 2: Is my point is that it doesn't fucking matter what
Speaker 2: you think we're living on. Is that it all works
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter where. It doesn't matter where we
Speaker 2: doesn't matter when this shit was created. It's that, you know,
Speaker 2: I just think that you know, you're it's it's your
Speaker 2: perspective that in a in a weird way that kind
Speaker 2: of guides that belief into Yeah, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: reality we're in, you know.
Speaker 3: And people are so polarizer right now. They don't really
Speaker 3: understand this. But it's not what you think, but how
Speaker 3: you think that's important. And people aren't their beliefs, you know,
Speaker 3: bottom line, you know, like people are not their beliefs,
Speaker 3: you know, because you know, people are so polarized right now,
Speaker 3: like you know, like there are some dumb conservatives, there's
Speaker 3: some really smart conservatives, you know, like right now, most
Speaker 3: liberals are pretty dumb, at least in here in America,
Speaker 3: if you know, because all the smart ones are in
Speaker 3: the middle or they're on the right now because because
Speaker 3: they went so crazy. But they're still smart liberals in
Speaker 3: the world, you know, like they're smart socialists and smart
Speaker 3: communists in the world. Not you know, like it is,
Speaker 3: people have this weird thing where they think they're their beliefs.
Speaker 3: People aren't even their thoughts.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: If you just sit there and just just observe your thoughts,
Speaker 3: you don't try to control them, don't try to regulate them,
Speaker 3: just just sit they're and to observe your thought. Just
Speaker 3: do it for like ten minutes, you know, and then
Speaker 3: sit there and ask yourself, well, if those are my thoughts,
Speaker 3: if that's me, then who's paying attention to that? Do
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So.
Speaker 3: People aren't their thoughts, they're not their beliefs. It's not
Speaker 3: what you think about how you think it's important. And
Speaker 3: again you got to eat the fruit and throw away
Speaker 3: the peel. And all I care about is what's usable,
Speaker 3: Like if I can apply it in a meaningful way,
Speaker 3: I'm keeping it, you know, or at least you know,
Speaker 3: like it might even just be worth trying it out.
Speaker 3: You know, like I keep joking about something Scrooge McDuck
Speaker 3: as a joke, I might eventually one day do it.
Speaker 3: You know, I might even consecrate I have a Mercury
Speaker 3: dime here with Hermes on it. I might even consecrate
Speaker 3: my Mercury dove to be Scrooge McDuck's number one dime
Speaker 3: a as a Scrooge McDuck talisman.
Speaker 2: All right. So a good point off of that is
Speaker 2: if like, look, if Scrooge McDuck can work, then the
Speaker 2: Buddha can work, then Mohammad can work, then Jesus can work,
Speaker 2: then all these other things can work. If that's simple,
Speaker 2: little thing can work too. And that's why I like
Speaker 2: to go with the coexist bumper sticker. Dude, that's just
Speaker 2: my philosophy. And that's just my opinion, by the way,
Speaker 2: don't find me for that.
Speaker 5: That's just me.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's the way the world is.
Speaker 3: And I agree with you. And going back to the
Speaker 3: new chronology and what I was talking about with all
Speaker 3: these different doctrines and everything history being a race and
Speaker 3: the rewritten was I think a lot of these religions
Speaker 3: were all part of basically more or less the same religion,
Speaker 3: and that you know, the Vatican and the French and
Speaker 3: the British kind of had a destructive war with a
Speaker 3: lot of these cultures. Rewrote everything. People were forced to
Speaker 3: migrate into places they weren't from, like the Middle East.
Speaker 3: And you know, but because you know, you look like
Speaker 3: take a like Hinduism, even though it's not actually called Hinduism,
Speaker 3: but you know, take Hinduism and you look at like
Speaker 3: the stations of Brama, right, and then the Muslims have
Speaker 3: the same thing called the Stations of Abraham, like Brahma, Obrama, Obrahim.
Speaker 3: You know, like it's kind of you start seeing the
Speaker 3: same thing. And like I said, Muhammad is mentioned in
Speaker 3: the Bible. If you look at like the Hebrews translations
Speaker 3: and everything, and the Greeks and everything, I mean just
Speaker 3: says right there, Muhammad and not just Muhammad, the Mohammedans.
Speaker 3: And then when you replace the words that they mistranslated
Speaker 3: intentionally with Muhammad or the Mohammedans, it reads like a
Speaker 3: war going on between the Vatican and the other side
Speaker 3: of the world, which would be like Germany, Austria, Russia.
Speaker 2: You know, but that's a fascinating way to look at it.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you look at like all the original
Speaker 3: paintings of Jesus being crucified or are painted like, you know,
Speaker 3: almost a thousand years ago, he's being crucified an instant
Speaker 3: bul Like the buildings in the background where he's being
Speaker 3: crucified are still there today. He's not being crucified in
Speaker 3: the Middle East that people are wearing like turbans, and
Speaker 3: they're wearing like I guess, like modern clothes for you know,
Speaker 3: a thousand years ago, but they're not like in loin
Speaker 3: cloths out in the middle of the desert, you know.
Speaker 3: Like but in these paintings, you know, like they're in Italy,
Speaker 3: they're in Spain, they're you know, they're they're all over
Speaker 3: They're found all over Europe, and you know, from different
Speaker 3: time periods where Jesus is being crucified and basically constantinople. Ah.
Speaker 2: That is interesting.
Speaker 4: So paintings of people that weren't there, right, these are
Speaker 4: artists renditions centuries after the events thereof.
Speaker 3: It's the closest thing to a record that we have,
Speaker 3: is it.
Speaker 4: Though, Because I mean they also paint Jesus as white,
Speaker 4: and we know that that's a complete lie.
Speaker 3: Well, if he's from if he's from Europe, he would
Speaker 3: be white.
Speaker 5: But if he was from Nazareth, he wouldn't be.
Speaker 3: Well where's Nazareth. Here's the thing is instant Bul used
Speaker 3: to be Jerusalem, and even like Jerusalem, like it's a.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: I know there's there's been several names for it used
Speaker 3: to be Jerusalem, and same with uh and there's there's
Speaker 3: been several Jerusalem's. Moscow was a Jerusalem, Paris was a Jerusalem.
Speaker 4: You know, I've never heard this before, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I know there's more than one city out there named Jerusalem. Hell,
Speaker 4: I've gone through a couple of Jerusalems and backwood states
Speaker 4: in America.
Speaker 5: I mean, I get that totally totally.
Speaker 4: But that's I'm talking about the nation of you know.
Speaker 4: But again we're talking about two different timelines. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: talking about a history that me and you were on
Speaker 4: different pages.
Speaker 3: I understand totally. But when you go and look, first
Speaker 3: of all, Jerusalem wasn't the Jerusalem now today that all
Speaker 3: these people are fighting over. Was empty, No one lived there.
Speaker 3: It was just a couple of It was just a
Speaker 3: couple of what we call Palestinians, but it wasn't Palestine's
Speaker 3: called Al Kutz. It was like a thousand people there.
Speaker 3: No one was there. It was completely empty, you know.
Speaker 4: And then you know, the zion is typically respectfully, I disagree,
Speaker 4: but you and I have a very different place in
Speaker 4: history that we call truth.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Uh well, go go check the photographic record. You'll
Speaker 3: see for yourself. Baghdad was completely empty. No one lived
Speaker 3: in the Middle East, and then so these people were
Speaker 3: forced to immigrate there through like battles and wars and everything.
Speaker 3: Thesign has had this whole plan. It wasn't just design
Speaker 3: as it was the British and the French too, and
Speaker 3: the Vatican had this whole plan to bring people into
Speaker 3: Al Kutz. They first they named it Palestine, then they
Speaker 3: brought people there, and then they called it Jerusalem. But
Speaker 3: they weren't even sure where they were going to put
Speaker 3: Jerusalem in Palestine. They had this huge debate, these arguments
Speaker 3: going on and where they were even going to put it,
Speaker 3: and uh the uh yeah, you know, and then like
Speaker 3: you know, the British and the French went into like
Speaker 3: the Middle East and all these areas. They they they
Speaker 3: taught these people how to read and write. They're completely
Speaker 3: literan bare for the people that were still there, the
Speaker 3: few people there, they were practically naked, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's OK. And then they they they basically built the schools,
Speaker 3: they built the museums. They at first they taught them
Speaker 3: the wrong orally, and then they brought in brand new
Speaker 3: Qurans and then started teaching them reading it. They weren't
Speaker 3: even teaching them history or science or anything like that.
Speaker 3: They were only teaching them the Arabic language. And most
Speaker 3: of these people don't even speak Arabic really, they just
Speaker 3: learn it in school. But it's not even how language
Speaker 3: they speak, because it's a different type of Arabic. Damn.
Speaker 2: Well, look, this is this is what happens whenever you start,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of pulling at the threads of history.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you know what's right. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's right. I mean, it's it's fun to speculate
Speaker 2: on these kind of things. And I mean, but you know,
Speaker 2: this is where you're gonna get the different philosophies. And
Speaker 2: I believe this or I believe that, and the problem
Speaker 2: is is that it's fuelled with belief and you got
Speaker 2: to take certain people's word for it at a certain point, right,
Speaker 2: And that's the whole really thing about history. So like,
Speaker 2: for example, did you know in parts of the world,
Speaker 2: this is a current day thing. In parts of the world,
Speaker 2: they see that we have six content rather than seven. Like,
Speaker 2: so the truth is is that we have six continents
Speaker 2: according to some people's the way that they're brought up.
Speaker 2: So I just met this Peruvian person and she said, look,
Speaker 2: whenever I was in school, a lot of the stuff
Speaker 2: didn't translate whenever I moved over here to America. And
Speaker 2: I started asking, all right, well, let me try and understand,
Speaker 2: you know, like maybe a little bit of your the
Speaker 2: teaching that you were taught. Well, she was taught that
Speaker 2: there were there's six continents in the world. She comes
Speaker 2: over to America, we believe there's seven. And so she
Speaker 2: asked me to start naming the continent. So I'm naming them.
Speaker 2: She goes, I said, North America, South America. She goes,
Speaker 2: right there, she goes, it's just America where we're at.
Speaker 2: There is no North in South America.
Speaker 5: That is the content.
Speaker 4: They would claim that no, sorry, there's definitely there's definitely
Speaker 4: a line.
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's connected though.
Speaker 3: I consider I'm two different cont if I could see that,
Speaker 3: you know, and because because at first I was just thinking,
Speaker 3: you know, Antarctica, you know, because some people will see
Speaker 3: it as a shoreline.
Speaker 2: I never earth, right, But I guess the point is
Speaker 2: is that you're there's all different teachings everywhere. So just
Speaker 2: because what we learned here, that doesn't necessarily make an
Speaker 2: absolute truth. Even though we see we're seeing as the
Speaker 2: world's superpower, we're seen as the brightest people, da da da,
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean it's the absolute truth.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 2: Was my point here that there's all different thought forms
Speaker 2: around what is truth.
Speaker 4: There are karmas like that mid section though it's at
Speaker 4: that point, so it from its perspective, it's smack dab
Speaker 4: in the middle of this massive land mass on either
Speaker 4: end that ends at the north or south pole.
Speaker 5: So from the.
Speaker 4: Peruvian standpoint, yeah, you're kind of standing in the center
Speaker 4: of a giant land mass.
Speaker 3: Like you're like Costa Rica, you know, your sandwich between
Speaker 3: two continents. You know, you would just kind of see
Speaker 3: it as one thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because there's a man made river between the
Speaker 4: two saying one versus the other, like they're kind of
Speaker 4: in the smack dab middle of it.
Speaker 5: So I kind of understand why that would be a
Speaker 5: thing in their culture.
Speaker 3: But I think there are like tidbits of truth scattered
Speaker 3: throughout the world, and a lot of it's hidden in
Speaker 3: our language, you know, Like, but but there are like
Speaker 3: and that's the thing that bothers me, these whole tartaria stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, like because new chronology it's not finished yet,
Speaker 3: we're still learning it. And then it all got scattered
Speaker 3: and devolved into basically ancient aliens for flat earthers, where
Speaker 3: they're just like, we couldn't build this today when we could,
Speaker 3: you know, we just don't. I mean, we don't really
Speaker 3: have the materials. Like my house is one hundred years old.
Speaker 3: The old growth wood that was built with this house,
Speaker 3: the type of sheet rock with you know, materials this
Speaker 3: good do not exist anymore.
Speaker 5: You know. That was my next question.
Speaker 4: If you believe that history pretty much only started five
Speaker 4: hundred years ago, how do you explain trees that are
Speaker 4: older than that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you're comparing like the natural world to
Speaker 3: like human history.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're saying that Earth is older than that,
Speaker 4: you're saying human history started then.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking about like the historical record, you know,
Speaker 3: because a lot of it is a forgery, and it
Speaker 3: was forged by the Vatican, you know, so who knows
Speaker 3: how old displace? Like I said, these are million dollar
Speaker 3: questions right here, and this is why I think it
Speaker 3: is important to start investigating this stuff and kind of
Speaker 3: pulling in what we can find out from people that
Speaker 3: are still alive, who have talked to their grandparents, who
Speaker 3: have talked to their grandparents, and that a little bit
Speaker 3: we can find, you know, because because we don't know
Speaker 3: how old this place is, we don't know how old
Speaker 3: we are and how long we've been here. We don't
Speaker 3: really know the meaning of life, you know. You know,
Speaker 3: it appears that suffering is a big mechanism of this place,
Speaker 3: but there's other things that are you know, evolution and
Speaker 3: consciousness or another part of it, you know, and so
Speaker 3: it's hard to say, you know, I mean, these are
Speaker 3: all million dollar questions, you know, who are you? Why
Speaker 3: are we here? What's the meaning of life?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: But it's fascinating, but it takes.
Speaker 2: A sentient life form to even question that stuff though, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it takes a conscious life form to say, you know what, like,
Speaker 2: all right, I see that this is what I'm being taught.
Speaker 2: I see that this is what they want me to believe,
Speaker 2: not necessarily out of goodwill or out of bad will,
Speaker 2: but we just see it as history.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: But like the conscious person or the you know, the
Speaker 2: non NPC might look at certain things and say, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna like they've lied about something right here, I wonder
Speaker 2: what else they've lied about it? And then I wonder
Speaker 2: what else they've lied about? And so you know, we
Speaker 2: do it every single day on this show. We question everything.
Speaker 2: And so to not question history, that's a weird place
Speaker 2: to stop at. Because who's to say that the conspiracies
Speaker 2: only started in twenty twenty, You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: they didn't start in two thousand. They've been around for
Speaker 2: the longest time. What are we just supposed to believe
Speaker 2: that all the ancient peoples were the most trustworthy people
Speaker 2: that has ever been. Nobody's ever told a lie before
Speaker 2: one thousand, you know, ad like no like people shit
Speaker 2: has been around for fucking forever, like there has to
Speaker 2: have been.
Speaker 3: And you know, the thing that sucks is you know,
Speaker 3: like I love history. I love reading about like military
Speaker 3: strategy and the Romans and the Greeks and the Mongols,
Speaker 3: like like Genghis Khan was like my favorite thing to
Speaker 3: read about, you know, like some of those battle strategies
Speaker 3: and stuff, and you know, and who knows that the
Speaker 3: guy was ever even real? You know, we we can't say,
Speaker 3: you know, right, so just one of those things and
Speaker 3: all that is, and all that's really you know, I
Speaker 3: loved all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, but all that's left. I mean there's there's speculation,
Speaker 2: there's and there's belief. That's that's really what it boils
Speaker 2: down to. So look, I mean we didn't even get
Speaker 2: into a large portion of what we were planning on
Speaker 2: getting into as far as Hollywood, A culled and you know,
Speaker 2: a lead, a cult and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I no, that's fine. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: look Byron, you're coming back on here again. Brother, That's
Speaker 2: all that means. So so look, if anybody is interested
Speaker 2: in finding you or finding any of your work, uh,
Speaker 2: finding any of your and maybe even some of your machines,
Speaker 2: where would they be able to find all that at?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh, well my Instagram. I'm sure you're gonna have
Speaker 3: links and everything in the description. My Instagram is Lord
Speaker 3: Byron Jester all lower case, all one where. Uh. My
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, my main YouTube channel is my apotheosis, uh
Speaker 3: my Etsy uh pages my Apotheosis, and I have a
Speaker 3: website build. I just haven't paid for the domain name.
Speaker 3: I I just teamed up with a couple of other magicians.
Speaker 3: The guy that built their machines, uh cut ways with them,
Speaker 3: and a lot of that is because he discovered the
Speaker 3: earth was flat. He's kind of like a hardcore Christian.
Speaker 3: And you know, these guys are kind of they're created,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, they're They're more into like
Speaker 3: the darker stuff, and I think it bothered him, and
Speaker 3: he was, you know, he's a little bit older, from
Speaker 3: a different generation he's from. He's basically a boy scout.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: He's a good guy. So so I'm taking over for that.
Speaker 3: Uh And uh so one guy is El the Alchemists,
Speaker 3: a good guy, and then another one is J. S. Garrett.
Speaker 3: So I'm also gonna be uh selling some machines through
Speaker 3: those guys for those guys building their machines, I should say.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of what happened. I was gonna
Speaker 3: pay for my domain name and a whole year of
Speaker 3: internet service or whatever. And but when I teamed up
Speaker 3: with those guys, I was like, Oh, my goodness, and
Speaker 3: there's another occult group. Uh, probably one of the biggest
Speaker 3: and uh and I'm gonna be building their machines too.
Speaker 3: So I basically just took all the money ahead and
Speaker 3: bought a bunch more materials because I'm buyer to see
Speaker 3: a huge influx.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude, that is awesome. Well look, Byron, we
Speaker 2: love having you on.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You are you are quite the personality, dude, And I
Speaker 2: know that there's going to be some people that agree,
Speaker 2: some people that disagree, some people that are both.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, every thing is going to really bother
Speaker 3: a lot of people until they look into it, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's hard to look into It's just one of
Speaker 3: those things, you know. And the thing is, like I said,
Speaker 3: it's it's still evolving as we speak. So the more
Speaker 3: people that look into it and share their information, the better,
Speaker 3: you know. Because I'm not afraid to be wrong. I
Speaker 3: don't give her shit. But what I mean, why would
Speaker 3: I care something to happen five hundred years ago or
Speaker 3: didn't happen, you.
Speaker 2: Know right, it costs nothing to question absolutely so, uh, Jacob.
Speaker 2: Any parting words for you.
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Speaker 5: The rest of you.
Speaker 4: Final ais and gentlemen, we thank you for everybody who's
Speaker 4: already gone and done so.
Speaker 2: And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode
Speaker 2: of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm Jacob,
Speaker 2: and there's one very important, extremely vital piece of information
Speaker 2: we need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 2: I've been up that third.
Speaker 3: And the mind is of lessons be beloaded.
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