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<v Speaker 1>Already if you have on CARCD talk station, and a

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<v Speaker 1>very happy Wednesday to you. Always extra special talking with

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan and Neil from Americans for Prosperity doing great work

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<v Speaker 1>here in the state of Ohio to try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>about some fiscal sanity and responsibility in government. Donovan, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the morning show, my friend Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Always good to be with you. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So we got the budget here in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Ohio, and I've been on a tear constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>of course because of the six hundred million dollars going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Browns, and I know you have no control

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<v Speaker 1>over that, and it's not something that Dwined vetoed, which

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of irked me considering what he did veto

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<v Speaker 1>But because vetos line out in veto's which our governor

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<v Speaker 1>has the authority to do, they can be overridden. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you're working on now to override some of

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<v Speaker 1>the veto's Dwine did, and some of them making me

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<v Speaker 1>scratch my head. It seems like everything related to providing

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohioans with property tax relief were the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>the veto pen and the line eye of veto. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess sort of as a broader perspective, why did Dwine

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<v Speaker 1>vote what I think a lot of people really would

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<v Speaker 1>have really appreciated, which is some relief toward property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's been a bit of a head scratcher.

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<v Speaker 3>Each of these vetos, the governor does put out a

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<v Speaker 3>veto message, you know, it's sort of a well curated,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, statement on each one of the items in general,

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<v Speaker 3>would I would summarize these as I understand them as

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<v Speaker 3>the governor felt like more review was necessary before making

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<v Speaker 3>any changes to the property.

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<v Speaker 2>Tax system here in the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>Which to me, Brian is ludicrous because last year there

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<v Speaker 3>was a select committee created in last year's budget that

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<v Speaker 3>met and vetted hundreds of hours of testimony, hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>organizations delivered testimony, and they developed a report that was

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<v Speaker 3>released late last year, I think twenty one with items

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<v Speaker 3>of recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>Which some of which items were the ones that were

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<v Speaker 1>included in the bill which he vetoed then correct and.

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<v Speaker 3>Also were items that over the last last six months

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<v Speaker 3>had received House and Senate versions of legislation, which also

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<v Speaker 3>Bryan received hundreds of hours of public vetting by organizations

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<v Speaker 3>across the political spectrum local government entities and otherwise that Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 3>the items that were included in the state budget regarding

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<v Speaker 3>property taxes, I think were generally very well vetted, generally

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<v Speaker 3>popular ideas that would actually solve some of the transparency

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<v Speaker 3>and accountability issues as well as bring direct relief to

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<v Speaker 3>property tax owners.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, maybe not as much as we all want. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't going to solve the problem of our property

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<v Speaker 1>taxes going up thirty percent or whatever in any given

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<v Speaker 1>year when they do the review, but at least they

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<v Speaker 1>would help in some way, so, you know, every little

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<v Speaker 1>bit counts. I mean, I'll take a little bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get one hundred percent of what I want,

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<v Speaker 1>like how about no property tax? But at least that

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<v Speaker 1>they provided some foundation for us to get some you know,

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<v Speaker 1>transparency as you point out, or at least some measure

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<v Speaker 1>of leaf. Then why not what's wrong with it? Mike Dwine, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think that's why you're seeing such a

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<v Speaker 3>rapid response from lawmakers to come back and start with

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<v Speaker 3>this tranch of vetos. There are sixty seven in total,

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<v Speaker 3>a number of them. I think they still need to

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<v Speaker 3>do more overrights on, but at least for now, we've

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<v Speaker 3>got a commitment you know that the legislature made yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>calling numbers back January twenty first, eleven am to vote

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<v Speaker 3>on overriding three the three property tax items that the

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<v Speaker 3>governor vetoed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and before we get to the specific ones we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about, I'll probably have to take a

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<v Speaker 1>break before we dive into those specifically. But by way

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<v Speaker 1>of process, as I understand it, I had one of

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<v Speaker 1>the state senators on the show, they don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>override all the vetos at one time that they want.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they can do them maybe three when they return,

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<v Speaker 1>and then further in the year they might want to

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<v Speaker 1>override some other vetos, So they can do little bytes

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<v Speaker 1>at the apple or just a step by step process

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<v Speaker 1>up to a certain deadline.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, they can do all that, and they can even

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<v Speaker 3>just take these ideas as bills, right, Yeah, run these

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<v Speaker 3>bills through the process and send the bills straight up

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<v Speaker 3>to the governor.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of different paths the legislature has.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And maybe the latter one and maybe it will

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<v Speaker 1>be even more effective.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they can override the vetos, we get what

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<v Speaker 1>we want without having to go through another legislative session

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, through the committees, and they have that

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<v Speaker 1>introduced and been back and forth with the House and Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, let's bring Donovan O'Neil back to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the three ones that they're targeting and hopefully we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>some relief from our elected officials on that and then

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<v Speaker 1>property tax relief to follow. Seven thirty five. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>It's seven thirty nine I fifty five KRCD Talk Station,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Wednesday. Brian here with Donovan and Neil for Americans

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<v Speaker 1>for Prosperity. All right, over riding, Mike Dwines Vetos. There

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<v Speaker 1>are three of them that you've ided that apparently they

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<v Speaker 1>have already elected officials, have already identified to vote on overriding.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the property tax, the county budget Commission,

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<v Speaker 1>authority and procedure. What's this one all about? What would

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<v Speaker 1>the override do and if implemented, what would this do

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<v Speaker 1>by way of relief for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, So, one of the things that we've that's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of been identified and vetted through last year's joint Committee

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<v Speaker 3>and through testimony this year, is that there needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be another layer of accountability on on behalf of the

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<v Speaker 3>taxpayers to make sure that all of the taxing entities

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<v Speaker 3>within a county are taxing just what they need, not

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<v Speaker 3>what they want is how I describe it right, and

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<v Speaker 3>so on local levels, we have county budget Commissions.

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<v Speaker 2>These are made up of.

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<v Speaker 3>The prosecutor, the treasurer, and the county auditor. All of

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<v Speaker 3>our counties have these and what their job is to

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<v Speaker 3>do is to review every year.

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<v Speaker 2>They review the.

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<v Speaker 3>Budget for all the political subdivisions within the county and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that's leving the right property taxes and collecting

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<v Speaker 3>the necessary moneies.

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<v Speaker 2>Owed.

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<v Speaker 3>What the legislature started to kind of pinpoint here is

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<v Speaker 3>that we should empower the County Budget Commission to have

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<v Speaker 3>stronger overset on behalf of the taxpayers. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>have a school district that's sitting on one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars as for example, although in this case be forty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars, so any to go to over forty thousand,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, forty percent cash carryover, the County Budget Commission

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<v Speaker 3>could challenge that school board to put that money back

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<v Speaker 3>to the taxpayers and say, hey, look, you're not using

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<v Speaker 3>the money. You continue to go to the taxpayers and

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<v Speaker 3>raise their property taxes. What we're going to ask you

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<v Speaker 3>is we can say we're gonna say you can continue

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<v Speaker 3>to collect the money you need, you can even hold

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<v Speaker 3>forty percent of your carryover, but anything beyond that you

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<v Speaker 3>got to give back to the taxpayers if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a valid, necessary purpose to use that money. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that it would create a new check in balance to

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<v Speaker 3>strengthen taxpayer protections on a local level.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it all day long, and I understand the

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<v Speaker 1>point of it. But would that not potentially encourage the

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<v Speaker 1>school board to spend needlessly in order to get below

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<v Speaker 1>that forty percent carryover?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's one of the loopholes that can

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<v Speaker 3>definitely occur there. But I think what part of the

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<v Speaker 3>way the reformers like David Thomas and others who are

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<v Speaker 3>working on this issue see this is this is a

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<v Speaker 3>multi year effort to begin to reform structurally the way

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<v Speaker 3>that we do this so ten twenty fifty years from

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<v Speaker 3>now we don't find ourselves in a similar property tax crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>So it can provide some immediate relief but then long term,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea here is it's going to provide some structural

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<v Speaker 3>into a situation like we find ourselves in today.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And the other component of this just looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the details. The devil's always in the details. The three

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<v Speaker 1>individuals you identified in the prosecutor whoever, the three of

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<v Speaker 1>the represents the committee. Do they have the resources, the wherewithal,

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<v Speaker 1>the knowledge, the ability to look into each every taxing

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<v Speaker 1>authority within the county. I mean you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>various townships and how it's all broken down. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of say, school districts that they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to look at case by case. That's a lot a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work that they would have to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>would they even do it effectively?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the nice thing is is that actually already exists,

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<v Speaker 3>so they already meet They already exist within the Ohire

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<v Speaker 3>Revice Code. What this would have done with this, the

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<v Speaker 3>proposals would do is strengthen.

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<v Speaker 1>That body right oversight. But they'd have to do basically

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<v Speaker 1>an accounting of the carryover. That seems to me the

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<v Speaker 1>really the fundamental point here is how much do they

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<v Speaker 1>have left in their budget from the prior year of

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<v Speaker 1>expenditures or prior budget, and are they at an over

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<v Speaker 1>that forty percent mark given the number school districts, even

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<v Speaker 1>in Hamilton County. I just I find it hard to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that they'll be able to get that work done.

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<v Speaker 1>Be honest with you, Donovan, that actually all.

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<v Speaker 3>But see you're Brian, that information already already exists. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so the state already has that, so you can can

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<v Speaker 3>go and you can view that information now you can,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's really just giving them the authority to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to point to this and say, look, you're

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on a lot of cash. You're now coming to

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<v Speaker 3>us asking and in this case in some cases coming

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<v Speaker 3>to us asking for another levee to go on the ballot. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>either spend the money you already have return to the taxpayers,

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<v Speaker 3>or don't even go, you know, don't go to the

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<v Speaker 3>ballot for more money because you're flushless cast.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not aware of those figures existed, because you

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<v Speaker 1>might have seems like I would have heard about that

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<v Speaker 1>in arguments over whether or not any given school levee

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<v Speaker 1>is justified or not. So all right, uh, item too.

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty mili flour calculation vetoed by governor to one.

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's this one going to do if overridden?

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<v Speaker 3>So the twenty mili flour is a very flunky calculation.

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<v Speaker 3>But basically, in the state of Ohio, every school district

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<v Speaker 3>is entitled to twenty mils or two percent of the

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<v Speaker 3>property tax evaluation within that school district. So it's guaranteed

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<v Speaker 3>they would they that money they get. But what we've

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<v Speaker 3>found over the years, what has occurred over the last

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<v Speaker 3>several decades, is there are a number of levees, like

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<v Speaker 3>fixed some emergency levees ye that are not counted within

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<v Speaker 3>that twenty mil floor. And so what you have is

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<v Speaker 3>you're just gonna use funny numbers for illustrative purposes. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>ten mills of you know, existing levees are counted. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you got on the ballot, you've gone to the voters,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's on within that twenty mil floor. The state

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<v Speaker 3>automatically ups you another ten mills, so you got your

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<v Speaker 3>twenty mil floor. Ten of that was never voted for,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's just guaranteed. And then you have these other

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<v Speaker 3>levees counted outside of that. What we're saying is you

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<v Speaker 3>need to push those as many of those levees into

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<v Speaker 3>that twenty mil floor and they all be counted, not

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<v Speaker 3>use these creative what do you call creative loophole to

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<v Speaker 3>pull levees outside of that floor, giving school districts the

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<v Speaker 3>ability to sort of just automatically increase property taxes on

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<v Speaker 3>folks without it actually going to the voter. And so

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<v Speaker 3>what this would have done is push all of those

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<v Speaker 3>levees that are currently carried, you know, put on the

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<v Speaker 3>people of the state of Ohio within that twenty mili floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Say you've got to actually, you know, count everything within

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<v Speaker 3>that space. You can't pull things out of that floor

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<v Speaker 3>or exclude things from that floor, and by default sort

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<v Speaker 3>of create these unvoted tax increases on the people of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and onto then Item number three, the school

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<v Speaker 1>district property tax levy restrictions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this is something we've worked on for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>And what this would get to is it would limit

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<v Speaker 3>the types of property taxes that school districts could levee.

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<v Speaker 2>And so right now they can levy have a leave nine.

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<v Speaker 3>There are nine types of property taxes that can be

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<v Speaker 3>levied in the state of Ohio. The one I would

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<v Speaker 3>point to just makes the most sense to me. Here

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<v Speaker 3>is the differ replacement and a renewal levee, And so

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<v Speaker 3>to me, Brian, that sounds about the same, right, Replacing

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<v Speaker 3>and renewing something almost similar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what we find from voters.

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<v Speaker 1>But a renewal would be a renewal of a previously

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<v Speaker 1>set amount. A replacement might suggest that they're asking for it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting rid of the prior one, but asking

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<v Speaker 1>for more.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it thing, go, that's the idea, and so we

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<v Speaker 3>just want to clarify that language. You can go ask

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<v Speaker 3>for more money, but do it by saying you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to ask for more money if you want to renew

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<v Speaker 3>existing millage, renew existing millage and still collect the same

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<v Speaker 3>amount of tax dollars from your tax base that you

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<v Speaker 3>were looking for. It's simple stuff that brings transparency and confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't provide immediate relief, right, but is part of the

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<v Speaker 3>push to structurally reform the system, which we need to

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<v Speaker 3>do in addition to delivering some of that immediate relief,

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<v Speaker 3>which is still you know, a work in progress.

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<v Speaker 2>As they move through the session.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these are baby steps, but at least important baby

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<v Speaker 1>steps and going in the right direction. For the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of tax relief as opposed to the potential of our

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<v Speaker 1>taxes going up more than they already have. Fair enough,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely well call to action from Americans for prosperity from

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<v Speaker 1>a listening audience, I'm guessing it involves getting touch with

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<v Speaker 1>your representatives and your senators.

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<v Speaker 3>It always does. I think they're hearing it loud and clear.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's important to have your message heard, share your voice,

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<v Speaker 3>contact your state rep your state center. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>start in the House of Representatives. They got to do

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<v Speaker 3>the first vote, sixty votes. It'll go to the Senate

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<v Speaker 3>they can override, and then we've got some of this

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<v Speaker 3>relief and some of these reforms put back into place

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<v Speaker 3>after the governor vetoed them.

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<v Speaker 1>Considering all the legwork that's been done up to getting

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<v Speaker 1>these items incorporated into the budget, only to be vetoed

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<v Speaker 1>by the wine you feel pretty confident they'll they'll they

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<v Speaker 1>have the votes to override the vetos.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so, And it's not unprecedented. The legislature overwrites

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<v Speaker 3>the governor somewhat frequently. I don't have the exact numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>but this this isn't unprecedented. These are very popular ideas again,

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<v Speaker 3>highly vetted ideas. I think we're going to see c

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<v Speaker 3>plus those might even see some crossover from our friends

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<v Speaker 3>in the Democrat caucus. We're going to spend the next

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<v Speaker 3>week or so, you know, doing events and connecting with

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<v Speaker 3>there's anyone who's squishy or squeamish, you know what we'll do,

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<v Speaker 3>broom back in the line and rushers prusure supplied.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I suspect to the extent there's any opposition to this,

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<v Speaker 1>because property taxes are paid by people of all political stripes,

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<v Speaker 1>probably the teachers unions, trying to protect their turf and

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<v Speaker 1>get as much money as they possibly can from the

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<v Speaker 3>It is the only corners of Capitol Square where there

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<v Speaker 3>is opposition to any reform, which is baffling to me,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that that property tax ballot initiative is a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of damocles hanging over their head. Yeah, that's the nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>option here. It is these types of reforms, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to our friends who want to see big government grow.

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<v Speaker 3>These types of reforms can provide at least some release

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<v Speaker 3>valve for folks who are feeling pain in their property taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>Vetoing these just puts more fuel on the fire. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>we got to make some big changes in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all for it. It is that property tax bill

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<v Speaker 1>is looming large in the background on this, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>lighting a fire under the folks and Columbus to actually

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<v Speaker 1>do something which they tried in the bill, but along

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<v Speaker 1>came Governor to whine. Donovan and Neil Americans for prosperity.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for all that you do on behalf of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio taxpayer. I'll look forward to talking with you again

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<v Speaker 1>next week. Have a fantastic balance of the week, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, Brian, thanks seven to fifty.

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