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Speaker 1: very happy Wednesday to you. Always extra special talking with
Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil from Americans for Prosperity doing great work
Speaker 1: here in the state of Ohio to try to bring
Speaker 1: about some fiscal sanity and responsibility in government. Donovan, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the morning show, my friend Brian.
Speaker 2: Always good to be with you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: All right, So we got the budget here in the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio, and I've been on a tear constantly,
Speaker 1: of course because of the six hundred million dollars going
Speaker 1: to the Browns, and I know you have no control
Speaker 1: over that, and it's not something that Dwined vetoed, which
Speaker 1: really kind of irked me considering what he did veto
Speaker 1: But because vetos line out in veto's which our governor
Speaker 1: has the authority to do, they can be overridden. And
Speaker 1: that's what you're working on now to override some of
Speaker 1: the veto's Dwine did, and some of them making me
Speaker 1: scratch my head. It seems like everything related to providing
Speaker 1: the Ohioans with property tax relief were the subject of
Speaker 1: the veto pen and the line eye of veto. I
Speaker 1: guess sort of as a broader perspective, why did Dwine
Speaker 1: vote what I think a lot of people really would
Speaker 1: have really appreciated, which is some relief toward property taxes.
Speaker 2: Well, that's been a bit of a head scratcher.
Speaker 3: Each of these vetos, the governor does put out a
Speaker 3: veto message, you know, it's sort of a well curated,
Speaker 3: you know, statement on each one of the items in general,
Speaker 3: would I would summarize these as I understand them as
Speaker 3: the governor felt like more review was necessary before making
Speaker 3: any changes to the property.
Speaker 2: Tax system here in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3: Which to me, Brian is ludicrous because last year there
Speaker 3: was a select committee created in last year's budget that
Speaker 3: met and vetted hundreds of hours of testimony, hundreds of
Speaker 3: organizations delivered testimony, and they developed a report that was
Speaker 3: released late last year, I think twenty one with items
Speaker 3: of recommendations.
Speaker 1: Which some of which items were the ones that were
Speaker 1: included in the bill which he vetoed then correct and.
Speaker 3: Also were items that over the last last six months
Speaker 3: had received House and Senate versions of legislation, which also
Speaker 3: Bryan received hundreds of hours of public vetting by organizations
Speaker 3: across the political spectrum local government entities and otherwise that Ultimately,
Speaker 3: the items that were included in the state budget regarding
Speaker 3: property taxes, I think were generally very well vetted, generally
Speaker 3: popular ideas that would actually solve some of the transparency
Speaker 3: and accountability issues as well as bring direct relief to
Speaker 3: property tax owners.
Speaker 1: Right, maybe not as much as we all want. I mean,
Speaker 1: they weren't going to solve the problem of our property
Speaker 1: taxes going up thirty percent or whatever in any given
Speaker 1: year when they do the review, but at least they
Speaker 1: would help in some way, so, you know, every little
Speaker 1: bit counts. I mean, I'll take a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get one hundred percent of what I want,
Speaker 1: like how about no property tax? But at least that
Speaker 1: they provided some foundation for us to get some you know,
Speaker 1: transparency as you point out, or at least some measure
Speaker 1: of leaf. Then why not what's wrong with it? Mike Dwine, Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's why you're seeing such a
Speaker 3: rapid response from lawmakers to come back and start with
Speaker 3: this tranch of vetos. There are sixty seven in total,
Speaker 3: a number of them. I think they still need to
Speaker 3: do more overrights on, but at least for now, we've
Speaker 3: got a commitment you know that the legislature made yesterday
Speaker 3: calling numbers back January twenty first, eleven am to vote
Speaker 3: on overriding three the three property tax items that the
Speaker 3: governor vetoed.
Speaker 1: Okay, and before we get to the specific ones we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about, I'll probably have to take a
Speaker 1: break before we dive into those specifically. But by way
Speaker 1: of process, as I understand it, I had one of
Speaker 1: the state senators on the show, they don't have to
Speaker 1: override all the vetos at one time that they want.
Speaker 1: I mean, they can do them maybe three when they return,
Speaker 1: and then further in the year they might want to
Speaker 1: override some other vetos, So they can do little bytes
Speaker 1: at the apple or just a step by step process
Speaker 1: up to a certain deadline.
Speaker 3: Correct, they can do all that, and they can even
Speaker 3: just take these ideas as bills, right, Yeah, run these
Speaker 3: bills through the process and send the bills straight up
Speaker 3: to the governor.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different paths the legislature has.
Speaker 1: Okay, And maybe the latter one and maybe it will
Speaker 1: be even more effective.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But if they can override the vetos, we get what
Speaker 1: we want without having to go through another legislative session
Speaker 1: and you know, through the committees, and they have that
Speaker 1: introduced and been back and forth with the House and Senate.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, let's bring Donovan O'Neil back to talk about
Speaker 1: the three ones that they're targeting and hopefully we'll get
Speaker 1: some relief from our elected officials on that and then
Speaker 1: property tax relief to follow. Seven thirty five. Right now,
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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday. Brian here with Donovan and Neil for Americans
Speaker 1: for Prosperity. All right, over riding, Mike Dwines Vetos. There
Speaker 1: are three of them that you've ided that apparently they
Speaker 1: have already elected officials, have already identified to vote on overriding.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the property tax, the county budget Commission,
Speaker 1: authority and procedure. What's this one all about? What would
Speaker 1: the override do and if implemented, what would this do
Speaker 1: by way of relief for us?
Speaker 3: Well, So, one of the things that we've that's sort
Speaker 3: of been identified and vetted through last year's joint Committee
Speaker 3: and through testimony this year, is that there needs to
Speaker 3: be another layer of accountability on on behalf of the
Speaker 3: taxpayers to make sure that all of the taxing entities
Speaker 3: within a county are taxing just what they need, not
Speaker 3: what they want is how I describe it right, and
Speaker 3: so on local levels, we have county budget Commissions.
Speaker 2: These are made up of.
Speaker 3: The prosecutor, the treasurer, and the county auditor. All of
Speaker 3: our counties have these and what their job is to
Speaker 3: do is to review every year.
Speaker 2: They review the.
Speaker 3: Budget for all the political subdivisions within the county and
Speaker 3: make sure that's leving the right property taxes and collecting
Speaker 3: the necessary moneies.
Speaker 2: Owed.
Speaker 3: What the legislature started to kind of pinpoint here is
Speaker 3: that we should empower the County Budget Commission to have
Speaker 3: stronger overset on behalf of the taxpayers. So if you
Speaker 3: have a school district that's sitting on one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars as for example, although in this case be forty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, so any to go to over forty thousand,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, forty percent cash carryover, the County Budget Commission
Speaker 3: could challenge that school board to put that money back
Speaker 3: to the taxpayers and say, hey, look, you're not using
Speaker 3: the money. You continue to go to the taxpayers and
Speaker 3: raise their property taxes. What we're going to ask you
Speaker 3: is we can say we're gonna say you can continue
Speaker 3: to collect the money you need, you can even hold
Speaker 3: forty percent of your carryover, but anything beyond that you
Speaker 3: got to give back to the taxpayers if you don't
Speaker 3: have a valid, necessary purpose to use that money. Well,
Speaker 3: that it would create a new check in balance to
Speaker 3: strengthen taxpayer protections on a local level.
Speaker 1: I get it all day long, and I understand the
Speaker 1: point of it. But would that not potentially encourage the
Speaker 1: school board to spend needlessly in order to get below
Speaker 1: that forty percent carryover?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's one of the loopholes that can
Speaker 3: definitely occur there. But I think what part of the
Speaker 3: way the reformers like David Thomas and others who are
Speaker 3: working on this issue see this is this is a
Speaker 3: multi year effort to begin to reform structurally the way
Speaker 3: that we do this so ten twenty fifty years from
Speaker 3: now we don't find ourselves in a similar property tax crisis.
Speaker 3: So it can provide some immediate relief but then long term,
Speaker 3: the idea here is it's going to provide some structural
Speaker 3: checks and balances to make sure that we don't get
Speaker 3: into a situation like we find ourselves in today.
Speaker 1: Okay, And the other component of this just looking at
Speaker 1: the details. The devil's always in the details. The three
Speaker 1: individuals you identified in the prosecutor whoever, the three of
Speaker 1: the represents the committee. Do they have the resources, the wherewithal,
Speaker 1: the knowledge, the ability to look into each every taxing
Speaker 1: authority within the county. I mean you think about the
Speaker 1: various townships and how it's all broken down. This is
Speaker 1: a whole lot of say, school districts that they'd have
Speaker 1: to look at case by case. That's a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of work that they would have to do, and
Speaker 1: would they even do it effectively?
Speaker 3: Well, the nice thing is is that actually already exists,
Speaker 3: so they already meet They already exist within the Ohire
Speaker 3: Revice Code. What this would have done with this, the
Speaker 3: proposals would do is strengthen.
Speaker 1: That body right oversight. But they'd have to do basically
Speaker 1: an accounting of the carryover. That seems to me the
Speaker 1: really the fundamental point here is how much do they
Speaker 1: have left in their budget from the prior year of
Speaker 1: expenditures or prior budget, and are they at an over
Speaker 1: that forty percent mark given the number school districts, even
Speaker 1: in Hamilton County. I just I find it hard to
Speaker 1: believe that they'll be able to get that work done.
Speaker 1: Be honest with you, Donovan, that actually all.
Speaker 3: But see you're Brian, that information already already exists. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: so the state already has that, so you can can
Speaker 3: go and you can view that information now you can,
Speaker 3: and so it's really just giving them the authority to
Speaker 3: be able to point to this and say, look, you're
Speaker 3: sitting on a lot of cash. You're now coming to
Speaker 3: us asking and in this case in some cases coming
Speaker 3: to us asking for another levee to go on the ballot. Right,
Speaker 3: either spend the money you already have return to the taxpayers,
Speaker 3: or don't even go, you know, don't go to the
Speaker 3: ballot for more money because you're flushless cast.
Speaker 1: I was not aware of those figures existed, because you
Speaker 1: might have seems like I would have heard about that
Speaker 1: in arguments over whether or not any given school levee
Speaker 1: is justified or not. So all right, uh, item too.
Speaker 1: The twenty mili flour calculation vetoed by governor to one.
Speaker 1: What's what's this one going to do if overridden?
Speaker 3: So the twenty mili flour is a very flunky calculation.
Speaker 3: But basically, in the state of Ohio, every school district
Speaker 3: is entitled to twenty mils or two percent of the
Speaker 3: property tax evaluation within that school district. So it's guaranteed
Speaker 3: they would they that money they get. But what we've
Speaker 3: found over the years, what has occurred over the last
Speaker 3: several decades, is there are a number of levees, like
Speaker 3: fixed some emergency levees ye that are not counted within
Speaker 3: that twenty mil floor. And so what you have is
Speaker 3: you're just gonna use funny numbers for illustrative purposes. Right,
Speaker 3: ten mills of you know, existing levees are counted. You know,
Speaker 3: you got on the ballot, you've gone to the voters,
Speaker 3: and that's on within that twenty mil floor. The state
Speaker 3: automatically ups you another ten mills, so you got your
Speaker 3: twenty mil floor. Ten of that was never voted for,
Speaker 3: but it's just guaranteed. And then you have these other
Speaker 3: levees counted outside of that. What we're saying is you
Speaker 3: need to push those as many of those levees into
Speaker 3: that twenty mil floor and they all be counted, not
Speaker 3: use these creative what do you call creative loophole to
Speaker 3: pull levees outside of that floor, giving school districts the
Speaker 3: ability to sort of just automatically increase property taxes on
Speaker 3: folks without it actually going to the voter. And so
Speaker 3: what this would have done is push all of those
Speaker 3: levees that are currently carried, you know, put on the
Speaker 3: people of the state of Ohio within that twenty mili floor.
Speaker 3: Say you've got to actually, you know, count everything within
Speaker 3: that space. You can't pull things out of that floor
Speaker 3: or exclude things from that floor, and by default sort
Speaker 3: of create these unvoted tax increases on the people of Ohio.
Speaker 1: All right, and onto then Item number three, the school
Speaker 1: district property tax levy restrictions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is something we've worked on for a while.
Speaker 3: And what this would get to is it would limit
Speaker 3: the types of property taxes that school districts could levee.
Speaker 2: And so right now they can levy have a leave nine.
Speaker 3: There are nine types of property taxes that can be
Speaker 3: levied in the state of Ohio. The one I would
Speaker 3: point to just makes the most sense to me. Here
Speaker 3: is the differ replacement and a renewal levee, And so
Speaker 3: to me, Brian, that sounds about the same, right, Replacing
Speaker 3: and renewing something almost similar.
Speaker 2: It's what we find from voters.
Speaker 1: But a renewal would be a renewal of a previously
Speaker 1: set amount. A replacement might suggest that they're asking for it,
Speaker 1: you know, getting rid of the prior one, but asking
Speaker 1: for more.
Speaker 3: That's it thing, go, that's the idea, and so we
Speaker 3: just want to clarify that language. You can go ask
Speaker 3: for more money, but do it by saying you're going
Speaker 3: to ask for more money if you want to renew
Speaker 3: existing millage, renew existing millage and still collect the same
Speaker 3: amount of tax dollars from your tax base that you
Speaker 3: were looking for. It's simple stuff that brings transparency and confidence.
Speaker 3: Doesn't provide immediate relief, right, but is part of the
Speaker 3: push to structurally reform the system, which we need to
Speaker 3: do in addition to delivering some of that immediate relief,
Speaker 3: which is still you know, a work in progress.
Speaker 2: As they move through the session.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are baby steps, but at least important baby
Speaker 1: steps and going in the right direction. For the purpose
Speaker 1: of tax relief as opposed to the potential of our
Speaker 1: taxes going up more than they already have. Fair enough,
Speaker 1: absolutely well call to action from Americans for prosperity from
Speaker 1: a listening audience, I'm guessing it involves getting touch with
Speaker 1: your representatives and your senators.
Speaker 3: It always does. I think they're hearing it loud and clear.
Speaker 3: But it's important to have your message heard, share your voice,
Speaker 3: contact your state rep your state center. It's going to
Speaker 3: start in the House of Representatives. They got to do
Speaker 3: the first vote, sixty votes. It'll go to the Senate
Speaker 3: they can override, and then we've got some of this
Speaker 3: relief and some of these reforms put back into place
Speaker 3: after the governor vetoed them.
Speaker 1: Considering all the legwork that's been done up to getting
Speaker 1: these items incorporated into the budget, only to be vetoed
Speaker 1: by the wine you feel pretty confident they'll they'll they
Speaker 1: have the votes to override the vetos.
Speaker 3: I think so, And it's not unprecedented. The legislature overwrites
Speaker 3: the governor somewhat frequently. I don't have the exact numbers,
Speaker 3: but this this isn't unprecedented. These are very popular ideas again,
Speaker 3: highly vetted ideas. I think we're going to see c
Speaker 3: plus those might even see some crossover from our friends
Speaker 3: in the Democrat caucus. We're going to spend the next
Speaker 3: week or so, you know, doing events and connecting with
Speaker 3: folks and trying to understand where members are. And if
Speaker 3: there's anyone who's squishy or squeamish, you know what we'll do,
Speaker 3: broom back in the line and rushers prusure supplied.
Speaker 1: Well. I suspect to the extent there's any opposition to this,
Speaker 1: because property taxes are paid by people of all political stripes,
Speaker 1: probably the teachers unions, trying to protect their turf and
Speaker 1: get as much money as they possibly can from the
Speaker 1: tax payer.
Speaker 3: It is the only corners of Capitol Square where there
Speaker 3: is opposition to any reform, which is baffling to me,
Speaker 3: knowing that that property tax ballot initiative is a sort
Speaker 3: of damocles hanging over their head. Yeah, that's the nuclear
Speaker 3: option here. It is these types of reforms, you know,
Speaker 3: to our friends who want to see big government grow.
Speaker 3: These types of reforms can provide at least some release
Speaker 3: valve for folks who are feeling pain in their property taxes.
Speaker 3: Vetoing these just puts more fuel on the fire. And look,
Speaker 3: we got to make some big changes in the state.
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. It is that property tax bill
Speaker 1: is looming large in the background on this, of course,
Speaker 1: lighting a fire under the folks and Columbus to actually
Speaker 1: do something which they tried in the bill, but along
Speaker 1: came Governor to whine. Donovan and Neil Americans for prosperity.
Speaker 1: Thanks for all that you do on behalf of the
Speaker 1: Ohio taxpayer. I'll look forward to talking with you again
Speaker 1: next week. Have a fantastic balance of the week, my friend.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Brian, thanks seven to fifty.
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