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<v Speaker 1>Joining us now is lou Belosa. He's a retired ATF

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<v Speaker 1>special agent and he is a co author of a

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<v Speaker 1>book about a guy that he worked with on many

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous situations as an informant against drug cartels, biker gangs,

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<v Speaker 1>even the Gambino family. The name of the book is

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Kahn, The Betrayal of an Informant, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to him about what life was like inside the

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<v Speaker 1>ATF and some of these cases, what that was like.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for joining us, Loue.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. It's an honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you. I just want to be upfront about

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<v Speaker 1>it where I'm coming from, and of course my audience

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<v Speaker 1>knows that I don't think there's any constitutional authority for

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<v Speaker 1>the ATF to start with. But having said that, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know what it was like on the inside,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like you've got an amazing story. They

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<v Speaker 1>came after the informant that you used for quite some time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they came after you as well, but you were exonerated,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're interested to hear the story about what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to the informant and what the two of you were

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<v Speaker 1>doing in terms of the investigations of these crime families.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell us a little bit about your history there

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<v Speaker 1>at the ATF. You were there for twenty five years, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, yeah, twenty six, you know, And I'd just like

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<v Speaker 2>to start out by saying, my whole life very pro

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<v Speaker 2>Second Amendment. All the guys I worked with at ATF

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<v Speaker 2>very pro Second Amendment, you know, and we enforce the

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<v Speaker 2>federal gun laws, and there is a need for federal

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<v Speaker 2>gun laws. Every law abiding citizen in this country should

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<v Speaker 2>have a gun, know how to use it and protect themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's just be honest, let's face facts. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a small percentage of people here in this country who

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<v Speaker 2>should not possess firemms. And that is the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>ATF exists. Previously convicted felons, okay, people who've been adjudicated

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<v Speaker 2>mentally deficient illegal aliens, right, it's all the eighteen United

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<v Speaker 2>States Code nine twenty two G that whole list of

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<v Speaker 2>people who should not possess flight rooms. And that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically why ATF exists, right, because they make everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else look bad because they're trigger pollyers and they're out

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<v Speaker 2>there doing bad things. So you know, basically our job

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<v Speaker 2>is to enforce the federal farms and explosives laws, and

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<v Speaker 2>that puts you in front of some bad people when

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<v Speaker 2>you live in that world, those are the ones who

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<v Speaker 2>are out there on the streets, victimizing all the good

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<v Speaker 2>people and doing bad things with guns. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we found, I found personally that the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>not only identify, but to stop that very small percentage

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<v Speaker 2>those people was through undercover infiltration. What better way, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to gather real time intelligence and real time evidence than

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<v Speaker 2>being able to insert your own asset right into the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of these gangs, these cartels, right these criminal organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was that was the path that I chose.

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<v Speaker 2>Working undercover, I was and that's one of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that when I looked at the story, the general

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<v Speaker 1>description of ray Kan, that was what really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>startled me, because usually you see informants or somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>already exists in that world. Uh, they've been a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>in that world for a long time. But you got

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who is basically a gas station owner or employee,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had never had a criminal record, never been

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<v Speaker 1>involved in any of that stuff. That's the interesting thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is how he could get involved in that world.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a guy who had never you know, never

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<v Speaker 2>shot a gun and didn't know what in the bullet

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<v Speaker 2>came out of a gun. He had never never done

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<v Speaker 2>any drugs, never been in that world. Not a gangster

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, basically a seven to eleven owner who

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<v Speaker 2>made a silly mistake. He walked into one of my

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<v Speaker 2>undercover operations and he bought a bunch of untaxed cigarettes,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a federal violation, not a violation that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we go after that. The United States Attorney's Office really

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<v Speaker 2>goes after vehemently or cares about. But he loaded these

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<v Speaker 2>all these untaxed cigarettes into a brand new Cadillac Escalade

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<v Speaker 2>that we wanted because we when we see as a

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<v Speaker 2>conveyance that's used in smuggling, we're allowed to use it

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<v Speaker 2>for our own purposes. And you know, as awful as

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds, we found out that he was also in

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<v Speaker 2>the country illegally, so he was arrested, charged, We seized

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<v Speaker 2>his vehicle, and he was just set up for deportation.

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<v Speaker 2>And his lawyer came to me and said, man, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can do anything to keep Ray in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>you know he has children here, he'll be the best

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<v Speaker 2>informat you've ever had. And you know, I was so skeptical.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, what is this. This guy's not

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<v Speaker 2>in my world. How's he going to help? And the lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>who I knew he was convincing, he said, just trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did. I took a leap of faith, and

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<v Speaker 2>we did all the necessary paperwork and aldy to get

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<v Speaker 2>his prosecution deferred, which no one cared about anyway with

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<v Speaker 2>untaxed cigarettes, and we got his deportation stayed, and we

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<v Speaker 2>parole essentially parolled him into this country. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to expect. I brought him into my next

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<v Speaker 2>undercover operation, and let me tell you, he just hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ground running and he absolutely made He pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>made the second half of my career.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>His uncanny ability to get in with these gangsters who

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<v Speaker 2>were putting guns and dangerous drugs on the street and

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<v Speaker 2>bring them to me, it was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was it about him? I mean, did you

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<v Speaker 1>just have a way that he could read people and

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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation with him? What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? If you know, even his English is not that great, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he has a way about him. You know when you

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<v Speaker 2>walk in his store, he just has a way, a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit pushy, and he knows how to connect with people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his gift. And he could he could connect with

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<v Speaker 2>these gangsters and he could weave his way in and

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<v Speaker 2>out and find out, you know, who was doing what

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<v Speaker 2>and who would be the best targets to bring to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And he, you know, he could get these guys. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically undercover work, right to make people want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of your hustle. That's the essence of

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<v Speaker 2>undercover work. If I can, you know, it's not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to become someone else's it's trying to sell yourself and

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<v Speaker 2>get the bad guys to want it, to want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of what you're doing, your hustle. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what he did. And he would tell them

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<v Speaker 2>about us, bring them to us, and then we would

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<v Speaker 2>take over from there. And we're talking about high level

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<v Speaker 2>cartel members, high level street gang members.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was his hustle that they were thinking they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to join into.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so at this yeah, at this point, the

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<v Speaker 2>operations he was helping us with were storefront operations. These

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<v Speaker 2>were operations where we would set up pony businesses in

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<v Speaker 2>parts of America where there was super high gun crime violence,

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<v Speaker 2>and we would use these stats to kind of justify

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<v Speaker 2>setting up a business that was owned and operated by

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<v Speaker 2>the government, staffed by undercover agents, and Ray would bring

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<v Speaker 2>these people to us. You know, we would kind of

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<v Speaker 2>put out that spider web and we would end up

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<v Speaker 2>these are the people who are putting illegal guns on

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<v Speaker 2>the streets. These are the people who were putting dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>Now what do they think they were going to get

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<v Speaker 1>from these businesses that you set up? I mean what

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<v Speaker 1>type of businesses would you set up? And what were

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<v Speaker 1>they thinking they were going to get a part of

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we covered the whole spectrum, from tattoo parlors

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<v Speaker 2>to headshops, to military surplus stores with attached shooting ranges,

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<v Speaker 2>to international freight forwarding businesses on the court. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we would you would never walk into these places and

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<v Speaker 2>think that, you know, it was a law enforcement setup.

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<v Speaker 2>They were so well done and well stocked, and when

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<v Speaker 2>these bad guys would see, you know, our model was

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of our business is one hundred percent legitimate.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we were actually running these businesses. But when

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<v Speaker 2>they saw what our side hustle was in my side.

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<v Speaker 2>Hustle was always that I bought the illegal guns off

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<v Speaker 2>the street and I trafficked them up to New York

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<v Speaker 2>and sold them for incredible profits. Which really happens, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, down down here in the South liam in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can buy a one hundred dollars loss

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<v Speaker 2>nine millimeter and you can sell it on the streets

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<v Speaker 2>of Brooklyn for twenty five hundred, three thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Wowow.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a business, you know, it's a criminal enterprise,

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<v Speaker 2>and it happens. And we were proporting ourselves to be

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<v Speaker 2>gun traffics.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I guess that's prohibition markup. That's that's there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>eminated ago sky high, you know, And we've always said.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what these that's what these strict state young laws,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they do. They create a black market for weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>And for tobacco as well. They sell. Uh, they've got

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<v Speaker 1>such high tobacco price taxes in New York that people

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<v Speaker 1>are selling individual cigarettes. I think they call them Lucy's

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let me tell you, the state of New York

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<v Speaker 2>has created an entire black market tobacco. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, that's amazing. So talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the gangs that you guys are involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>You had biker gangs, you had cartels, you had traditional

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<v Speaker 1>mafia family that were there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, yea, by far, the cartels were the

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<v Speaker 2>main ones. I don't know if people realize that the

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<v Speaker 2>cartels for several decades now, the cartels are embedded in

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<v Speaker 2>every state in this country. Even when you go into

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<v Speaker 2>these rural towns up in the mountains, the cartels are there.

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<v Speaker 2>They are now they totally control the drug trade in America,

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<v Speaker 2>from pharmaceutical from the illegal pharmaceuticals, the fentanyl, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to the traditional heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine. The cartels are controlling everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that's who we really you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>were there for guns, but we ended up dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>so many cartels because you know, when we did deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the narcotics, we were dealing with large amounts. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't buying a balls.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the d A a part of this as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Or did you eventually bring them? Okay, so you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are just doing this for the guns only.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the guns, but you know the gun and

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<v Speaker 2>drug world, you know, does DEA buy a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>guns as well, Yes they do. Do they make gun

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<v Speaker 2>cases as well, Yes they do. It's and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have kind of a it's an unspoken agreement between

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<v Speaker 2>HF and de A because those worlds coexist where you

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of drugs, you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>guns and vice versa. You know, guns are are the

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<v Speaker 2>tools of the trade for the for the drug world,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's impossible that there's not you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a cross, kind of a mixing when when you're

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<v Speaker 2>working those So they would bring in cartel guys to me, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we would buy some drugs from them, and when they

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<v Speaker 2>saw our hustle with the guns, they would they would say, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're into guns, you know, we shipments of AR

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen's we're sending to South America. We'll just we'll sell

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<v Speaker 2>them to you here. And next thing we know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>buying guns off these cartel guys as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So this sounds like everything is working fine according

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<v Speaker 1>something happened and they came after you as well, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>they tell us little bit about that. They investigated you

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<v Speaker 1>and you were cleared of all charges, But what was

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a long one, but I'll give you a

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<v Speaker 2>you know less than one percent of law enforcement actually

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<v Speaker 2>I did it for twenty and I was doing these deep,

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<v Speaker 2>a gray area. After a while, you start believing it

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<v Speaker 2>are and you're you know, who you're portraying yourself to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I went years and years and years without ever carrying

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, for me that led to that led

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<v Speaker 2>for me, it was with a federal prosecutor and she

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<v Speaker 2>obviously that's that's where my trouble started and when they

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<v Speaker 2>they came after me for that. But the real reason

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<v Speaker 2>was the United States Attorney's Office at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>not liking the trying to word this carefully, they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>liking the racial makeup of the defendants in this operation

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<v Speaker 2>I was working on, which to me was utterly ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, if you tell me to work on

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<v Speaker 2>an outlaw biker gang, right, if they're committing violations of

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<v Speaker 2>federal fire laws, and I go after the Hell's Angels,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm successful, I'm going to have fifty white defendants

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody complains about.

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<v Speaker 1>That, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the case was being worked in an urban environment, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so the victims of this community are going to be black, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the perpetrators are black. And it would would have been

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<v Speaker 2>the same if it was a Hispanic community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>So, because you know that was and this was a

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<v Speaker 2>the Obama administration, who seemed to care more about instead

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<v Speaker 2>of fighting crime, you know, the racial inequities. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I've locked up more white guys than any other agent probably,

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<v Speaker 2>but this particular case, he didn't like the racial makeup

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<v Speaker 2>of the defendants. He had even asked me about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that that, in my opinion, is the

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<v Speaker 2>real reason that they came after us. And and you know, eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, you know, the OIG did a two

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<v Speaker 2>year investigation, they put more, they put more effort into

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<v Speaker 2>this than they do a homicide and came up with

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely nothing and you know, no findings against me. But

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<v Speaker 2>it essentially ruined my undercovered career, which probably was a

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<v Speaker 2>blessing because it was time to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>So because they're coming after you, that that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>exposed what was happening. Is is that why it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I was invisible for my whole career,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, now it's it's on the

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<v Speaker 1>So now you're a victim of the de I police exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then uh that you got cleared with all this,

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<v Speaker 1>and so then your book is about the betrayal of

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<v Speaker 1>your informant, Ray Khan. What happened with that? What happened

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<v Speaker 1>with Ray?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? So uh yeah, and I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>portray Ray as an angel, right, we don't find our

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<v Speaker 2>informants in church. Uh. But you know, as as a

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement officer, you have to look at what what's

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<v Speaker 2>the greater good for the community you're trying to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know Ray and his entire crew there that

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<v Speaker 2>that that culture of the seven eleven owners and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're always looking for ways to get around

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<v Speaker 2>the taxes and all that. That's that's their culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean everybody is looking for around absolutely. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's tax avoidance, which is part of the game, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's tax evasion, which is again, you know, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>they come after you for. But when you look at that,

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<v Speaker 1>your case kind of reminds me of Joe Banister. I've

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed many times. He was a criminal investigator for the

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<v Speaker 1>I R. S. And he asked some questions about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the tax code and he got on their bad side.

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<v Speaker 1>They came after him and he was exonerated. But still,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's that type of thing when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the institution. It can be something that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a side issue or a minor issue, as it was

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so they had come after Ray unbeknownst to me

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<v Speaker 2>while we were working, you know, they just and it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually the Department of Revenue here in Georgia that

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<v Speaker 2>that just you know, Ray was for whatever reason, they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually helping us with these operations and behind our backs,

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<v Speaker 2>they were working cases on Ray again for silly, silly

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<v Speaker 2>you know, things that really this guy's bringing in danger drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>He's bringing in cartel members, machine guns, sought off shotguns.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as a law enforcement officer, I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>if he's not paying taxes on the honey buns he's

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<v Speaker 2>selling at his seven to eleven, Right, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at what's important. And so he was actually arrested

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<v Speaker 2>a few times during these operations and I had to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get him out. And but once I got

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<v Speaker 2>jammed up and I could no longer protect him, they

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<v Speaker 2>really went after and I mean, it's a crazy story,

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<v Speaker 2>but as soon as I got jammed up, he went

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<v Speaker 2>and became an informant for Homeland Security. And when they

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<v Speaker 2>indicted him on state rico charges for these tax charges, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>state Rico charges. He was advised to run while his

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers worked on it. He was advised by law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>officers who knew, you know, his value. Hey man, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was you, I would get out of town

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. And he did. He became a fugitive

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<v Speaker 2>up in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it's a lot easier to be a fugitive

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<v Speaker 2>when you have a lot of money, which Ray did.

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<v Speaker 1>It.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough to be a fugitive these days when if

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<v Speaker 2>you have to live under a bridge and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any money. But you know, Ray had cash. And

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<v Speaker 2>he survived for a long time up in New York

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<v Speaker 2>even he even had to run around in New York

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<v Speaker 2>when they went up looking for him a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But his lawyers, and this is the craziest part of

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<v Speaker 2>this whole story. It eventually came out through the hard

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<v Speaker 2>work of his lawyers that the main revenue guys who

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<v Speaker 2>are law enforcement officers you know here in Georgia who

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<v Speaker 2>were coming after him, were taking bribes from Ray's competition.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, the Indians who was he was in competition

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<v Speaker 2>with down here. We're giving these guys bribes to go

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<v Speaker 2>after him. I'm talking about ten twelve thousand dollars watches,

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<v Speaker 2>plane tickets, round trip plane tickets to Europe. And it

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<v Speaker 2>all came out and these guys were arrested in Purp,

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<v Speaker 2>walked down here in Georgia, and Ray was able to

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<v Speaker 2>after six or seven months of being a fugitive up

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<v Speaker 2>in New York, he was able to triumphantly return to

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, it is. You know, we see

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<v Speaker 1>that so often, not usually to that criminal extent, but

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<v Speaker 1>so often businesses will use government to take out their competition.

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<v Speaker 1>It might just be something that's pretty mundane, like extra

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<v Speaker 1>regulation or extra barriers to competition or people getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the business. So the usually it's competitors who are pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of regulations that we all complain about being excessive.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, to basically stick the revenuers on him because

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<v Speaker 1>he's their competition, that's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's interesting you say that. I learned that early

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<v Speaker 2>on in my career. You know, I actually started in

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<v Speaker 2>was called Iron and all of our greatest tips in

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<v Speaker 2>the employer Sanctions unit, you know, when we would we

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<v Speaker 2>would get a tip that you know, this company was

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<v Speaker 2>hiring you know, five hundred illegal aliens and all these violations.

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<v Speaker 2>Those tips always came from another company that was their competition.

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<v Speaker 2>What better way you know, and free get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>your competition?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Wow, Yeah, it is a a rough world, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>That truly is amazing. So so tell us little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about your book. I mean, do you go into the

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<v Speaker 1>details of the different cases that you guys were looking at with,

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<v Speaker 1>whether there's a cartels or you mentioned one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first ones he did was the Gambino crime family. On

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<v Speaker 1>day two of a Cleveland operation, he got involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the Gambino crime family. Do you go into detail with

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<v Speaker 1>what is happening in each of these individual cases or

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<v Speaker 1>do some do it? Yeah? I do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all these cases have been adjudicated, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I can talk about them, and you know that that

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<v Speaker 2>was just one example. If we brought brought ray up

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<v Speaker 2>to Cleveland on in this getting operation and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>we would just set the informants free and tell them

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, bring us, you know, go go find

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<v Speaker 2>out who's doing what and bring it to us. Who's

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<v Speaker 2>putting guns on the street, who's you know who's selling fentanyl,

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<v Speaker 2>who's doing the bad things. And the first day Ray

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<v Speaker 2>came back to me and said, sir, have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the Gambinos? I said, are you talking about

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<v Speaker 2>like the Italian crime family? He goes, I believe that's him.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, yeah, of course, I've heard of them, like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has. He goes, well, I have a meeting set

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<v Speaker 2>up with them tonight. And this was the first This

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<v Speaker 2>was the first day we cut them loose. And these

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<v Speaker 2>guys wanted to get into you know, trafficking untaxed cigarettes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was unbelievable and that that was just what

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<v Speaker 2>he would do. And I do I go into these cases?

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<v Speaker 2>And I talked about how he would. He would find

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<v Speaker 2>these low level cartel guys who would come in and

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<v Speaker 2>then we would kind of just climb up the ladder

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we would go to their supplier, and

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<v Speaker 2>once we would ask for higher amounts that they couldn't handle,

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<v Speaker 2>they would bring us the next level guy. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Ray would help all along the way. And before you

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<v Speaker 2>know it, maybe we started out buy an announce. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we're buying you know, ten kilos from a high level member.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was all facilitated by Ray. You know, in

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<v Speaker 2>my career, people don't realize how valuable informants are. Are

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<v Speaker 2>they a headache and can they be a lot of trouble? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>But as an undercover, I would say throughout my twenty

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<v Speaker 2>year career, ninety five percent of the time that I

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<v Speaker 2>that I was able to get into a criminal organization,

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<v Speaker 2>it was because a confidential informant was able to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to make the introduction and walk me in. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>super valuable to us. It's just you have to know

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<v Speaker 2>how to handle them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's interesting. Now, your experience at the ATF was

422
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<v Speaker 1>really licking investigating organized crime, and of course your your

423
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<v Speaker 1>hook into that is the gun side of things. But

424
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<v Speaker 1>when the rest of us look at the ATF, what

425
00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.960
<v Speaker 1>we typically think of is somebody who is auditing and

426
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<v Speaker 1>looking at the little minutia of you know, how long

427
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.039
<v Speaker 1>is your barrel, do you have a pistol brace on it?

428
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<v Speaker 1>That type of thing, or what we saw with the

429
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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration. I don't know if you were still there

430
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<v Speaker 1>at the time where they started going after gun stores

431
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<v Speaker 1>and basically shutting down down completely if they had a

432
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<v Speaker 1>paperwork violation. So that's a different group inside of the

433
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<v Speaker 1>ATF that I guess, how did you guys view that?

434
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that was two very different cultures inside that institution.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know, we were the criminal investigators of

436
00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:43.039
<v Speaker 2>special agents. Those are the those are the regulatory that's

437
00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.559
<v Speaker 2>a regulatory side. You know, they're not gun carrieres. But

438
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<v Speaker 2>here's the problem with ATF and with every federal agency.

439
00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.119
<v Speaker 2>They've become political. Right, So every time a new president,

440
00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>a new administration comes in, they put their guy in charge. Okay,

441
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<v Speaker 2>their man or woman in charge. Right. So if you

442
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.240
<v Speaker 2>look at who we got under Biden, right, we got

443
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<v Speaker 2>this guy. His name was ded O Beck. I believe

444
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<v Speaker 2>his last name was. He was Obama's roommate in college.

445
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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you he had never shot a gun in

446
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<v Speaker 2>his life.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I can't imagine he and Obama going out to

448
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<v Speaker 1>the shooting range together, right.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I don't think. I don't think that happened.

450
00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.400
<v Speaker 2>And he had no business being the director, but he

451
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<v Speaker 2>had never held a law enforcement position. Uh So when

452
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<v Speaker 2>you get I'll just say it probably an anti gun guy,

453
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<v Speaker 2>and put him in charge ATF. You know, he made

454
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<v Speaker 2>the decision, he decided we're not going to go after

455
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the bad guys. You know, we're not going to go

456
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<v Speaker 2>after the trigger pullers on the street, horse sticking guns

457
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<v Speaker 2>in people's faces downtown at night. We're going to go

458
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 2>after the gun dealers. It's their full right. So so

459
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>that's what happens when you get these activists placed in

460
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.759
<v Speaker 2>charge of a federal agency. You know, everything changes and

461
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and our mission changes, you know, and and we saw

462
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 2>you see it with the US Attorney's Office because they

463
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of direct you know, you you have to sell

464
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<v Speaker 2>them on your case. They have to accept it. So

465
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<v Speaker 2>when you get these certain US Attorney's office, you know,

466
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<v Speaker 2>US attorneys who are placed by these more liberal administrations,

467
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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to prosecute the hardcore criminals. They want

468
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<v Speaker 2>to go after gun dealers. They want to go after

469
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.519
<v Speaker 2>federal firearms licensees. You know, it must be their fault

470
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<v Speaker 2>that all these guns are on the street, you know,

471
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.519
<v Speaker 2>involved in all these shootings. Can't be the bad guy's fault. Yeah,

472
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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think people understand that that and those

473
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>are the ones who are making these decisions and these

474
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>really bad ruings. You know that that ATF has come

475
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<v Speaker 2>out with, but it's not the ATF agent the man

476
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.519
<v Speaker 2>or a woman who's on the street going after the

477
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 2>trigger pullars. You know, it's not us now.

478
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how long you've been out of the ATF,

479
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and this possibly wasn't even on their radar at that

480
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<v Speaker 1>point in time. But we've heard a lot about ghost guns,

481
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and so there's a lot of regulations going down the

482
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<v Speaker 1>pike about three D printers just in general. Now because

483
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 1>of that, they're using that as the wedge to basically

484
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<v Speaker 1>for other purposes, I believe, to get rid of three

485
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<v Speaker 1>D printers. Did you ever with a Gambino crime family

486
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<v Speaker 1>creating ghost guns with three D printers?

487
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<v Speaker 2>No? I mean the crazy thing about the ghost guns,

488
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<v Speaker 2>and I was kind of at the end of my

489
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:25.119
<v Speaker 2>career when when they started popping up, is that, you know,

490
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<v Speaker 2>we weren't seeing that with the big organized crime, and

491
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<v Speaker 2>we weren't seeing that with with these not even the

492
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<v Speaker 2>cartels or the American street gangs you know that are

493
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<v Speaker 2>pretty well established and organized, you know, the gangster Disciples,

494
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the Latin Kings and all that.

495
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<v Speaker 1>It was.

496
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<v Speaker 2>It was these nerds, you know, in their apartment who

497
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 2>were who were making these guns and selling them, you know,

498
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>who were making some good money. Selling them on the

499
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>dark web, you know, on the black market, more of

500
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:59.039
<v Speaker 2>an individual thing than any kind of organ organized movement.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

502
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<v Speaker 2>You know, of course the government doesn't like these guns

503
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>because they're untraceable, right, we don't know their origin, you know,

504
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and part of you know, part of our gun laws

505
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>is that a gun has to be stamped with the

506
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 2>serial number, you know, and traceable. And yeah, even as

507
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.640
<v Speaker 2>a second amendmic, I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't

508
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.599
<v Speaker 2>think it's a bad thing. I think, you know, and

509
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>again the problem is now it's created a black market

510
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 2>for guns as well, an even bigger black market.

511
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what prohibition always does. We kind of joke

512
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>about it, and my family always say, you know, you

513
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>look at what has happened with drugs, for example. We

514
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:40.039
<v Speaker 1>saw it back even in alcohol prohibition, how it went

515
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 1>from people drinking mostly beer to and wine to people

516
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 1>drinking hard liquor and other things like that. And it

517
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 1>seems like that's always the case when you've got something

518
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 1>that's prohibited, you wind up getting a much more intensified

519
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>form of it because it's more profitable for the black

520
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>market to deal with that. And so we've talked about it.

521
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 1>We said, if they prohibit guns like the Democrats want

522
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.599
<v Speaker 1>to do, you're going to see some pretty wild technology

523
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>coming out there.

524
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 2>I think, well, look at look at every city, you know,

525
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 2>every Look at Chicago with the strictest gun loss. You know,

526
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 2>there's guns falling out of the trees in Chicago. You know,

527
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:13.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just it doesn't work.

528
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>That's right. It's got a lot of adverse effects to it.

529
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I think all prohibition does. As a matter of fact.

530
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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing story. And uh, it's where can people find

531
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the book? Is it available everywhere books are sold? I

532
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>know you've got your own website.

533
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Amazon is is definitely the best place, the easiest place.

534
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 2>If you just you know, you type in my name

535
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>lou Velosi or Raycon you'll find my first book, which

536
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>is Storefront Saying, which has just been purchased by a

537
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>major network.

538
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 1>And I think I'll make a movie out of it.

539
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.119
<v Speaker 2>They're going to make a series of Yah.

540
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say it sounds like a movie when

541
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you start talking about this stuff.

542
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're going to go through every every every storefront

543
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I did being a different season, like the Tattoo Parlor,

544
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>the shooting range, with the military surplus store, the freight

545
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 2>floating business, all the different ones I did, you know,

546
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 2>with different undercover crews, and all the crazy things that

547
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>happened in their shootouts and wow fights, and just it

548
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:17.519
<v Speaker 2>was really wild.

549
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 1>And so it was about this is this Netflix, you said,

550
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:21.119
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna do this.

551
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't say yet it's one of the major ones.

552
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I knew Raycon was was a good

553
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>follow up because he was such a big part of

554
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the second half of these storefront operations. So I just

555
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get his story out there to let,

556
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of let the public give him a little

557
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 2>information about inform it's how important informants are, and and

558
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 2>just tell a story of how sometimes the government just

559
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>gets it wrong. You know this, We have so many

560
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>illegal aliens in this country who are who are abusing

561
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 2>our system and committing crimes. And here we get this

562
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 2>guy who who is literally is a hero, who is

563
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>respond for making this country safer, and our government can't

564
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>even give him a green car.

565
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>He still doesn't have a green car.

566
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Still doesn't wow.

567
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>But well, you know, Trump's got those golden platinum cars

568
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 1>that he's got one to five million dollars.

569
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>If he listen to this. We need one, you know.

570
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 2>You know again, you know, the last prior administration let

571
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>tens of millions of these people in and all they're

572
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 2>doing is abusing the system. We have one here who

573
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>actually helped the country. I mean, can we can we

574
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 2>get this guy green car?

575
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah. As I look at it, I see the

576
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 1>big problem as being the welfare magnet, right, you know,

577
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.599
<v Speaker 1>paying people to come in. And of course, you know,

578
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>we see the fraud networks of fraud that were up

579
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota with the somalies and everything. But you know,

580
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I support them, you know, cutting

581
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 1>off the welfare magnet. I'm also very concerned about the

582
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>way that law enforcement is being conducted, and I think

583
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>there was a deliberate extremism to it that was put

584
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 1>in there. So that's my concern. It's not so much

585
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>even with what they're doing, is the way that they're

586
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>doing it, I think is always something had to be

587
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 1>very very careful about. I think law enforcement needs to

588
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>be held to a higher standard than in general, and

589
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>so that's my concern with it. But what was something

590
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>give us an idea since they're going to be doing

591
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>probably filming some of this give us an idea some

592
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>of your exciting stories that happened. You said, there's a

593
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff happened in these storefronts.

594
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. You know, we would have these. I'll

595
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 2>just tell you my first one was a tattoo shop

596
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 2>and that was kind of We were learning as we

597
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>went along on this, didn't know what to expect. But

598
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>after twelve months running this tattoo shop in the inner City,

599
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>we had purchased four hundred and thirty crime guns off

600
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 2>the street, so we knew we were on the HF

601
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 2>had never seen results like that. No one had ever

602
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>seen those kind of results during you know, the story,

603
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 2>we had all different gangs. We just catered to gangs.

604
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Our informant was a tattoo artist who had recently gotten

605
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 2>out of prison and had gotten jammed up. He didn't

606
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 2>want to go back. He agreed to do this. You know,

607
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>he had he had inked all these guys in prison.

608
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>They all knew him, and so he was able to

609
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.599
<v Speaker 2>get them all to come in and he was no

610
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>he was nothing but trouble.

611
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

612
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 2>He ended up doing a bunch of things he wasn't

613
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 2>supposed to do, getting sexual favors out back for the

614
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>tattoos he was giving some young ladies. I mean, just

615
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 2>NonStop trouble like it was like, you know, not only

616
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 2>was I was I the manager supposedly of this place,

617
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 2>but you know I had to keep him on a leash.

618
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 2>And we have all these different gangs coming in. You know,

619
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>we had told them all this and this is a

620
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 2>neutral place. You know, we don't want any trouble in here.

621
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>You can tag all the walls, you know, we left

622
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>them blank and all that, but no hating. You know,

623
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>we don't want any of that in here. That didn't

624
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>last twenty four hours and their threatening. You know, we

625
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 2>actually cut all the drywall out and kept it as

626
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>evidence because of all the threats you know, they were

627
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>putting on there to each other. And uh, you know,

628
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>they would come in when different factions would come in,

629
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>and next thing, you know, there'd be all out brawls,

630
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 2>like like a riot inside and we'd have to come

631
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<v Speaker 2>out from behind the counter with with baseball bats and

632
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and uh you know, and this is all while we're

633
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 2>trying to buy guns and drugs and and you know,

634
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.359
<v Speaker 2>gather evidence. Uh, you know, we're dealing with that and

635
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 2>and uh, they started bringing us stolen cars. You know,

636
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>once they found out, you know what our side hustle

637
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was with their gun trafficking and they're buying the drugs

638
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>and all that. You know, that opens up They're like, hey,

639
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 2>they must be in anything. We had guys bring us Uh.

640
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Had a guy come in with a box of puppies

641
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>once and turned out he was a He was a

642
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 2>security guard at the mall and that this was back

643
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 2>when there was still pet shops at the mall. He

644
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>stole a whole box of puppies and brought him in.

645
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Had a guy come in with uh, prosthetic limbs. He

646
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>had worked. He worked at a at the Georgia Regional

647
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Medical College in Augusta, and he had stolen a box

648
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of prosthetic limbs. And I remember he you know, I

649
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 2>remember picking up one of the fake arms and looked

650
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 2>at him. I said, listen, man, you know this. I said,

651
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>we're not a paunch out. I said, you know who

652
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.079
<v Speaker 2>am I going to sell this to? And he looked

653
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.159
<v Speaker 2>at me and he goes to somebody with one arm.

654
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Man like you know, they didn't they didn't, they didn't

655
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>get it. Uh So so, you know, some of it

656
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 2>was comical. Some was fun. Some of it was not comical,

657
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was deadly serious.

658
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

659
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 2>The same guys who were coming in and dealing with us, uh,

660
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.079
<v Speaker 2>selling US drugs and selling US guns would come back

661
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>at night with sche masks on and rob us.

662
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

663
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's no one arming thieves. And it wasn't

664
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 2>like we didn't know who they were. They were in

665
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 2>the same you know, these weren't rocket scientists, you know,

666
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>they just uh, you know, we were burglarized, and every

667
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>single one we were burglarized. We were in several ones,

668
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>but by our own customers. Uh. It just I mean

669
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.760
<v Speaker 2>it was such an eye opener. And you know, we

670
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>would embed ourselves in the whole community, not just the

671
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 2>criminal community, but sometimes the whole community because we had

672
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was regular people coming into and when

673
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 2>we would take these operation downs, we would have massive takedowns.

674
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Say we had you know, one hundred defendants. We would

675
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>have swat teams, you know, uh d A at f

676
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>US marshall you know, state and local police kicking doors

677
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know, because we had to get everyone quick

678
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 2>because once once the word got out there, they you know,

679
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 2>they leave and uh, we would you know, these these

680
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 2>massive takedowns would result in car chases and foot chases

681
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and shootouts and and uh, you know, the community would

682
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 2>actually be disappointed in us. We would find out later that,

683
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, because we had developed relationships and all, and

684
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they they would feel betrayed. But you

685
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>know I always felt, hey, listen, we just made your

686
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 2>community a lot safer because the hundred people we took

687
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>out in this operation, those are the hundred worst people

688
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in this community. Those are the ones putting dangerous drugs

689
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>on your streets, pointing guns in your faces.

690
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's an amazing story. I can't wait to see

691
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to read the book, but I can't

692
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 1>wait to see the the movie either. That ought to

693
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>be a great film. I mean, that's exactly the kind

694
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of story that they're looking for, I guess, and we've

695
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 1>seen variations of it, but you actually lived through it.

696
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty amazing story. So thank you so much for

697
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>joining us. And again you you've got a website of

698
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>your own, lou Velosi. It's l o u V a

699
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 1>l o ze dot com and we've got that under

700
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>your name there. So what do you have there that

701
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 1>people can see? Do you sell the books there.

702
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are selling the books on the website and

703
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 2>some of a lot of you know, my appearances, I

704
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, post retirement, I entered this entertainment

705
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 2>world and I found out that it's Uh. I didn't

706
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>think you could get dirtier or grimier than the federal government,

707
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>but I think Hollywood, Hollywood has showed me that it

708
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 2>actually is. And you know, I've Yeah, I do a

709
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of podcasts, I do a lot of public speak,

710
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>and I travel the country speak to you law enforcement

711
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 2>conferences and and uh, you know, I enjoy doing it.

712
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy warning young officers about what happened to me

713
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 2>and not not allowing that to happen to them. And uh,

714
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, talking about how important our pension is and

715
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>how you don't want to just work a whole career

716
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>and retire and die. Yeah, you know you've earned that pension,

717
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So live a long life and you know, stay healthy.

718
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.519
<v Speaker 1>And what's your message to everybody about Hollywood?

719
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, like I told you before, I

720
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't think you could get much worse than the corruption

721
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of the federal government. But but boy, I said, you know,

722
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 2>and listen, I've dealt with some really good people but

723
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 2>just organizationally, just as a whole people. You know their word,

724
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 2>their word doesn't mean much. I found that. I found out,

725
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>never take anyone serious until they've actually written you a check.

726
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 2>In hollywood'll really anything, but don't believe them until they

727
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 2>cut you that check. It's it's just a man. And

728
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen a business an industry that takes off

729
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>more time. You know, in October they'll tell me listen, well,

730
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 2>don't expect anything. We have the holidays coming up. No

731
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 2>one's going to do anything, probably till mid January. And

732
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself, we're talking three months here, they're

733
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>taking off three months. Just wow. I never could have

734
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>made a career in it. I can tell you.

735
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>That that's better than Congress even.

736
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, exactly.

737
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

738
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, an eye opener.

739
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>You've had some amazing life experiences and I'm sure these

740
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 1>are very interesting books. Thank you so much again. The

741
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>book that we were talking about here is Raycon The

742
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Betrayal of an Informant, And of course you've got the

743
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>other one. Was that already out or is that coming out?

744
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>About the storefronts?

745
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, storefront sting an atf agent's life Undercover. That that

746
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>one's been out now for about that's the one that

747
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 2>was purchased. It's been out now for about four years.

748
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>And I would like to leave you with a parting

749
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 2>thought about ATF if you'll allow.

750
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Me, sure, go ahead.

751
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 2>So, and I just want to put put this out

752
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 2>to your audience. You know, answer you. If you are

753
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>an advocate of the Second Amendment, and you you know,

754
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 2>you're a proponent of gun rights, you should really love ATF.

755
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>And I told are you familiar with Coleon Noir no

756
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Big Second Amendmic guy was an NRA guide, a black

757
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Eye lawyer.

758
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh no, I don't know. I don't know him, but

759
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

760
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I told him this recently on his podcast.

761
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 2>You should be a fan of ATF if you are

762
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>a proponent of gun rights, because ATF is a small,

763
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>very controllable agency. We have about two thousand agents for

764
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the whole country, right you're the likeliness of running into

765
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>an ATF agent is pretty slim right out there. The

766
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.559
<v Speaker 2>gun laws are never going away, all right. So if

767
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you abolish ATF, the gun laws are going to go

768
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to one or two agencies. They're going to go to

769
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the FBI or Department of Homeland Security. We don't want

770
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the gun laws going to those two behemoths. Those you know,

771
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 2>you think the FBI was bad under the last administration,

772
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>with you know, the authority they have. Now give them

773
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the gun laws and see what they do. So you know,

774
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 2>ahf again is easily controlled, it's underfunded. And that's exactly

775
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>who you want enforcing our gun laws. You don't want

776
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the You don't want the FBI or Homeland Security enforcing

777
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>our gun so you know.

778
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what we would always say when people say, well,

779
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the problem is just going to make government

780
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.599
<v Speaker 1>more efficient, It's like, no, actually, I don't want to

781
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>make government more efficient. I don't like what they're doing

782
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to start with.

783
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't use I don't use the term government and

784
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:58.320
<v Speaker 2>efficient together in a cent.

785
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, only in doge do we get that? That's headchach.

786
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm afraid government isn't going to get a

787
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 1>lot more efficient with artificial intelligence. That's my real concern.

788
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's where this is going. Uh. And

789
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that's that's something you know, not necessarily your agency, but

790
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 1>all the different government agencies are going to be able

791
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:23.039
<v Speaker 1>to audit everything that everybody does. And find the simplest

792
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 1>process crimes and it's like bringing the man, I'll find

793
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 1>the crime type of attitude. And so I think that's

794
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 1>really going to happen. We've already had a situation, as

795
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Harvey Silverglate said in his book Three Phoneies a Day.

796
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>He said, we've got so many laws on the books

797
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 1>that people are typically creating three phonies a day and

798
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.559
<v Speaker 1>they don't even know it. Well, you're going to know

799
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:42.239
<v Speaker 1>it when you get a call from the people who

800
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 1>are representing the artificial intelligence that's gone through and audited

801
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>your life in so many different areas. That's what I'm

802
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>concerned about. It is the over regulation.

803
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>You are absolutely right, And to me, it all started

804
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>with traffic cameras and these license plate readers. That's where

805
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>it's starting. Yeah, it's just going to get worse.

806
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's getting worse rapidly through Flock. We got the

807
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Flock cameras out there and they you know, you create

808
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 1>this this mechanism where you have these private companies that

809
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 1>are basically doing the surveillance and the law enforcement work,

810
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're just passing it along to the official law

811
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>enforcement which is just collating and doing the process work.

812
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Of this stuff, and they do things because they say, well,

813
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>we're private, we can do whatever we want. We're not

814
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>governed by the restrictions that would govern us if we

815
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 1>are the government. And yet in reality they really are.

816
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>They're just not deputized, they're not official, but they have

817
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 1>all these police state powers of surveillance and other things.

818
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 1>That's what really is my concern. And we have seen

819
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the money.

820
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 2>The money they're making is ridiculous, Yeah, and so it

821
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 2>gives them more incentive to do more. And if you

822
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.119
<v Speaker 2>look at one of these tickets, because my wife and

823
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I have gotten them from these traffic cameras, you're absolutely right.

824
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 2>There's just one police officer who signs it. Everything else

825
00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>is done by this private company.

826
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and frequently it's not even in America. It's another

827
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 1>company that's running these automated toll things. And after we

828
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.599
<v Speaker 1>move from Texas, we got several tickets and we were

829
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>not even in the city that purported to have been

830
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.239
<v Speaker 1>a violation of a toll or something. And you waste

831
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time fighting this stuff. You win, obviously

832
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 1>if you fight it, but you waste a lot of

833
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 1>time doing it. And if you don't respond right away,

834
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 1>they start rapidly multiplying the fees that are on it.

835
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of issues that are there, and none

836
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff is being addressed by people in government.

837
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<v Speaker 1>They're really late to the game. If they're ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything about it, I'm skeptical, but they ever

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<v Speaker 1>want to do anything about it because I think it

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<v Speaker 1>is the kind of structure that they really want that

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<v Speaker 1>is out there. But you know, the part of it

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<v Speaker 1>that in terms of the ATF and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess really when you look at it from our perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really the people who are pushing through the regulations

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<v Speaker 1>that are there. And how as you point out, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very political and depending on who is in charge of it,

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<v Speaker 1>they can really weaponize those regulations against people. And they've

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<v Speaker 1>got an agenda where they want to see all of

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<v Speaker 1>the guns disappear. So I think that's the real concern

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, well, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Politics. Yeah, politics has seeped has seeped into law enforcement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not a good thing. That's right for the people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reason that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was just talking to Sheriff Mac who is

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<v Speaker 1>about the constitutional Sheriffs and peace Officers Association, Big guy

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<v Speaker 1>on pushing for local control of law enforcement, having sheriffs

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<v Speaker 1>that are elected by the community. I think that's important.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the more distant and more bureaucratic everything

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<v Speaker 1>gets from us, the more dangerous it is. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting rapidly distant and dangerous from us, I think all

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<v Speaker 1>the time as we look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just take a look at the police chiefs that

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<v Speaker 2>we currently have in the big cities here in America,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can tell you it's a bunch of clients

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not elected by the people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, That's right, Yeah, that's right. So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a real warning for everybody. But your story is truly

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<v Speaker 1>amazing and a very interesting story, I'm sure, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it'll be very entertaining. I can't believe they would

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<v Speaker 1>not make it into a movie. It's exactly the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of story they're looking for. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, Lou, I appreciate it, Lou Velosi, And again

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<v Speaker 1>you can see his website there under his name. He

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<v Speaker 1>has website where you can find the book. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find it on amaz Honor where books are sold.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an honor. You have a great show, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's an honor to be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, thank you, glad to have you on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. The common Man. They created common Core, dumbed

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