WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.639 s e O and JP Sorrow. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.679 He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:21.559 I never seen anything. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.039 And it's the laps fan man by the one in 6 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:23.480 the ring. 7 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:24.960 Forget about Sado. 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.160 He the real king of swing. 9 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:26.960 When the bell. 10 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.000 Goes in the kick like me throwing in the corner, 11 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.159 but gets rash like stick. Even Jerry King gets take 12 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:34.719 off the crowd nodded in. 13 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:35.359 His head like it. 14 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:38.000 Steve low Brown would get low down. 15 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.200 We go even high up, flipp you on your head. 16 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.439 But you know cool driver, you speak more and Dragon 17 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.320 spits fire give you more shock than when he treats 18 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:48.200 higher drop a more truth than the. 19 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:49.159 Con of sniper. 20 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.759 Unless you with a coconut, Roddy Pipper, Jack a JP 21 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.520 he like j h D drop the cupcakes and gold 22 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.799 the brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the 23 00:00:58.880 --> 00:00:59.520 close cloud. 24 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.039 You are benefited classic polls. 25 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.920 So we have acquainted ourselves, Boss with the thing Saboo 26 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.400 did to become an independent wrestling sensation when the lights 27 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.000 wort necessarily brightest and tape trading was in its most fervent. 28 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.959 And that's how you found out about the suicidal and homicidal. 29 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:21.959 Exploits and one half of the Headshrinkers, right, and we started, 30 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:25.760 and we started with the proposition from you that he 31 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:26.519 is a fucking idiot. 32 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.239 Yes, I stand by that, Okay. 33 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.480 I was going to ask after digesting a lot of 34 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.680 his early ECW work and its FMW stuff and the 35 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:37.239 stuff he did on that Raw Dark match. 36 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.319 Still U, that's still where we're at. It's gonna take 37 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.959 a lot, I think for him to not be an idiot, 38 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:48.200 because I think anyone who's who who, because here's here's 39 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:50.400 the thing, this is, this is where it really comes down. 40 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:51.439 I've been thinking a lot about this. 41 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:54.560 Actually, this this has gone through my mind because because 42 00:01:54.599 --> 00:02:00.480 I do understand and there there is there is respect. Okay, 43 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.840 I don't want people to think that there's not respect 44 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:04.799 for what he did. 45 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.319 It's a matter of perspect According to the RVD program, Yeah, 46 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.039 that's very true. That's very true. 47 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:13.879 I don't know if I would have shaken his hand, 48 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:20.120 but because because I can respect the idea that you're 49 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.360 trying to change the game, you're trying to do something different. 50 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:28.319 He's trying to do something that is never been done before. 51 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.759 But where he's an idiot. And where I don't think 52 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:36.960 he'll ever come. I don't think he can never not 53 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.800 be an idiot in my mind is the fact that 54 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:46.400 much like Terry Funk, it's like he's doing these things 55 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:51.000 and for what, you know, I feel like he could 56 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.879 have changed the game in ways, but without having to 57 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:58.599 literally potentially kill himself. Yeah you know, I mean one slip, 58 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:03.080 one slip on the rope and his neck, you know, 59 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.680 crashes against the guardrail and he's dead. I mean, he's 60 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:10.560 dead anyway now, but earlier, you know, Like that's that's 61 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:16.319 where I just I can't, I can't fathom and what 62 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:17.120 makes him. 63 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:20.120 What makes him an idiot? 64 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.280 I know the question is, well, if if I criticize 65 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.520 Saboo and I put him and Terry Funk in the 66 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.719 same position, in the same category here, what makes him 67 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:32.360 an idiot and not Terry Funk or a Mick Foley 68 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:38.280 for that matter. Because I'll say this, Terry Funk didn't 69 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.879 do this all the time. This wasn't his thing, as 70 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.080 we've seen. The evidence is there that he didn't do 71 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.919 this kind of shit or this the extreme, the violent, 72 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.919 the ECW type stuff his entire career. He did it 73 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.400 as a necessity. And if I'm being honest, I'm pretty 74 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.520 sure maybe not so many words, but I felt he 75 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.000 was an idiot Terry Funk at the end of his career, yeah, 76 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.159 for feeling the need to do this kind of stuff. 77 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.240 And Mick Foley same thing. I think he's an idiot 78 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:14.280 at times for doing shit that like throwing yourself off 79 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.560 a hell in a cell. Yes it's a moment, it's 80 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.879 a moment, but at what cost? At what cost for 81 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.360 a fake sport? And and we've said it's because it's 82 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.120 fake that they do this to themselves exactly. That's the 83 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:31.360 supreme irony of wrestling, exactly, And I belie like to me, 84 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.399 I feel like someone like Saboo who has who we've seen, 85 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:38.240 has fundamentals, he knows what to do in the ring, 86 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.519 And I just always go back to the same fucking thing, 87 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.600 the thing that has stuck with me time and time 88 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:50.160 and time again, Jake Robert saying, you don't need to 89 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.199 do this kind of stuff, Like you know, just because 90 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.639 you follow someone who has this outstanding match doesn't mean 91 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:56.959 you have to have a bad match. You just have 92 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.240 to bring the crowd back to down to one and 93 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.000 then build them back up again. Yep, you know, you 94 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.639 know in that mentality, there there is a card out 95 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:10.399 there with the potential of you know, eight five star 96 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.399 matches in the Jake Roberts, within the Jake Roberts theory. 97 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.360 And I stand by that. I think that that's a great, 98 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.439 great point. And then it brings up the fact like, yes, 99 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:28.279 this made him stand out, this brought him a significant, 100 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.480 significant amount of attention. But isn't there a way he 101 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.040 could have done a little bit of both, a little 102 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:39.240 bit of this this extreme stuff not necessarily as life threatening, 103 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.000 and used his fundamentals and used simple wrestling psychology to 104 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.319 get back to do this to do a similar thing. 105 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.920 Yeah, it's it's interesting because while we've seen that he 106 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:55.480 has fundamentals, I don't think anybody talks about Saboo. If 107 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.360 he tries to do what you said he might consider doing, 108 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.120 he would have never he would have never been a 109 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:02.319 wrestler anybody talked about. 110 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:04.040 That's a choice of me. 111 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.360 He chose being talked about. 112 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:14.959 And maybe that's true, Maybe that is true, But how 113 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.680 many people have you know, in a weird way, suffered 114 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.000 because of his desire to be memorable. 115 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.199 That's true, that that is something apparently that you can't 116 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:28.680 even if you do think about it, it's not going 117 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.920 to stop you. Not these type we're talking about. And 118 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.040 the difference with him and Terry Funk and Cactus Jack 119 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:35.959 said he didn't do promos, so the only way he 120 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:37.879 was ever going to get over anywhere is by bringing 121 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.000 this to the table. For whoever inked him. 122 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:42.959 I just think, I mean, and listen, you know what 123 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.839 the stuff in the it's really the stuff that goes 124 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.680 outside the ring. That is what the end, the barbered 125 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.839 wire shit, that is what's alarming. The stuff in like 126 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.240 climbing the chair and doing the stuff inside the ring 127 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:58.600 and whatever. It's great and I think, especially at that time. 128 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.920 Watching the show was last time on part one of 129 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.600 our tribute to Saboo, like that triple jump Moonsalt was 130 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.480 legitimately impressive, like the distance he covered and he almost 131 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:08.240 never fucked it up. 132 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:09.839 Yeah, it was. It was cool. 133 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:11.800 It was a cool ass move made only possible by 134 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.199 bringing a chair into the ring, you know, Yes, yes, 135 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.199 And I think that there's a lot to be set 136 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.639 for that, and I think in a weird way that that, 137 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.759 to me is more interesting than jumping from the top 138 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.800 rope over the guard rail to the floor. Yeah, you know, 139 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.680 like using the chair not as necessarily a weapon, but 140 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.000 as a device. 141 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.720 To execute a high impact move. You could otherwise exactly that. 142 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.680 That to me is what I think to be fascinating. 143 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:44.319 And I I question, I don't know, maybe would would 144 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.680 I look at him differently if he did not do 145 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:48.759 the stuff on to the. 146 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.160 Floor the floor, And yeah, that's an interesting point of delineation. 147 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.480 The think about Saboo is he innovated so many things 148 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.279 that everyone can pick their own and say like that 149 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.360 was good, but this was shit and this was shit 150 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.240 and that was good, and it's like, yeah, you've got 151 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.959 a full grab bag. I mean, there's probably I don't know, 152 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:05.560 if I sat down and thought about it, it's probably 153 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.120 fifteen things that he was the first to do in 154 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.199 a wrestling ring that we still see echoes of today. 155 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:11.079 Take your pick. 156 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:12.600 You know, he doesn't have to have a chair, but 157 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:14.399 the Arabian press, where you know you do the split 158 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.000 leg in moon salt off the ropes, the jumping you know, 159 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.439 to the top and into the floor with like a 160 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.439 summrsault or coming off the top with just a moon salt. 161 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.560 We saw how that influenced Terry Funk. We talked on 162 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.560 the Laps of Funk about him moonsalting ont A no Way, 163 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.120 and Smoky Mountain giving Jim Cornett a fucking heart attack. 164 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.080 He asked Terry Funk, as we talked a lot about 165 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.159 during the Terry Funk series where he got the saboo, 166 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.759 because Sabo was the one who was captivating the attention 167 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:40.360 to the fans such that it resonated at a time 168 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:43.240 when there just wasn't you know, you didn't have internet distribution. 169 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.519 It was just amazing the level of attention Sabo was 170 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.320 able to command in the media, wrestling media such as 171 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:51.039 it was in nineteen ninety four, to the point where 172 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.399 he was like, you know, a reader's second favorite wrestler 173 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.480 in the Wrestling Observer, despite never being on any kind 174 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.159 of national television. He was on promatent positions in Japan 175 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.960 and things, but he was he was He was the 176 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.360 one sort of doing the things where it's like, okay, 177 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.919 if I if I'm going to do what it takes 178 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.559 to keep getting booked in pro wrestling without kissing WWF 179 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.279 for ww's ass, this is kind of where I have 180 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.639 to go. Apparently, this is this is the direction we're going, 181 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.159 and yeah, for better or for worse, Sabu made it 182 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:23.559 extremely part of the pun clear what it was you 183 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:25.320 had to do to matter in the mid nineties if 184 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.320 you weren't working for one of the Big two. And 185 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:29.960 we're here living with the consequences of that. And he, 186 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.200 you know, as we're about to learn, lived with the 187 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.840 consequences of that until the age of sixty one. 188 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.519 And I and I and again I say there is respect. 189 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:40.159 There is respect. 190 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.720 I can definitely say, even watching from you know, learning 191 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.200 more about him last week than I ever have in 192 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.960 my entire history as a wrestling fan, a lot of respect. Yeah, 193 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:55.600 without a doubt, he's still a fucking idiot. Yeah, you 194 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.519 can respect people who are self destructive. It's it's yes, 195 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.919 it's extremely possible, Yeah, Saboo, it's It's an interesting legacy, 196 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.120 and it's one that I think people until he was gone, 197 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:09.080 didn't really stop to catalog the things that didn't exist 198 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.679 in wrestling until he started doing them. And there's now 199 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.399 talk again about maybe, you know, reintroducing him as a 200 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.360 candidate for the Observer Hall of Fame, as as a 201 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.200 lot of his was he he never was, No, I 202 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:20.840 think he was on and off the ballot and never 203 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.240 really garnered that much support. But there's nothing like that 204 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.120 death at me too. Oh yeah, yeah, me too, there's 205 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:27.480 nothing like that. I figured he would have been. He 206 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:30.440 would have been like a shoe in in like two 207 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.000 thousand or something. Yeah, yeah, he was still going in 208 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:35.799 two thousand. That it would have It would have felt 209 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.559 a little premature, wasn't It wasn't Austin in the Hall 210 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:39.879 of Fame in like ninety nine or something like that. 211 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:43.519 Yeah, well, that's that's true. It's just sometimes, I mean, God, 212 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.320 if you're the number one business attraction in the industry 213 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.679 for sures running, you're in the Hall of Fame. You know, 214 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.000 sure something Sabo could never put in his in his category. 215 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.720 But we're about to get into speaking of Austin kind 216 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.879 of what Sabu was doing during the Attitude era. Up 217 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.320 to this point in our TLF Tribute to Sabu, we've 218 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.919 been getting acquainted with the raw material that built the buzz. 219 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.639 The things he was doing in FMW and ECW now 220 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.120 WWFNWW are on fire. We talked last time about how 221 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.240 Sebu was on one Nitro. He was on the nineteen 222 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.120 ninety five World War three for WCW. But other than that, 223 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:15.759 you know, the Big Two didn't really have a lot 224 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.799 of time for him save for these one off appearances. 225 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.919 He's doing the stuff that a lot of people remember 226 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.639 about him in nineteen ninety seven, In nineteen ninety eight 227 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.799 and nineteen ninety nine, when the Mind and Night Wars 228 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.799 were hot and so people were so into pro wrestling 229 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.120 that they were drinking of anything that was going on, 230 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.840 including in ascendent ECW from the perspective of getting on 231 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.639 pay per view in the spring of nineteen ninety seven, 232 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.159 so being available of that many more homes, to say 233 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:42.919 nothing of the TNN deal that's about to come and 234 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.840 put them on national television. It's not often talked about, 235 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.039 but I think it's very clear that as much as 236 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.519 the Attitude era did for WWFNWW, it did quite a 237 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.000 bit for ECW and those wrestlers exposure level as well. 238 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:55.360 There was just a lot more interest in wrestling and 239 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.159 a lot more people that had the attention of. 240 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.480 It is one of those times you know we've heard 241 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.480 you know, I remember we've heard Pritchard say, how how 242 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.600 you know when they were when? When when ww was 243 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.320 in the dol drums, he would still say, well, it 244 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.919 was great for everybody. You know, nWo was great for everybody, 245 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.039 But I think I wouldn't. I I agree that the 246 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.799 attitude era when everybody was hot and everybody was fucking 247 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.120 like wrestling was on a whole different level. 248 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:27.080 I agree. I can, I can. 249 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.600 I can see how everyone is just trying to soak 250 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.960 in so much wrestling at the same time that. I mean, 251 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.360 I was in a way, honestly, like I've said a 252 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.759 million times, if I was if I had been able 253 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.360 to find where E. CW was, I would be a fan. Yep, 254 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.200 I would be a fan, I can guarantee you, because 255 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.120 because it was that kind of violence that I was 256 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:52.960 hungering for. 257 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:58.759 Yes, you know, I agree. I agree. It's just old age, 258 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.120 I absolutely no. I mean, if you didn't see it, 259 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.039 you didn't ride the wave. And so when you know 260 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.879 Sabu passes and everybody remember so fondly, you know, staying 261 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.000 up to two in the morning watching ECW television. If 262 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.080 you weren't doing that, it doesn't resonate in the same way. 263 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.600 And that's why it's always fun for us to embark 264 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.840 on a tribute like this, because you're getting first impression 265 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:20.360 stuff from the Boss h and a lot of these 266 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.559 matches that you think everyone is seen if you were 267 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.080 a super fan in the Attitude era, But that wasn't 268 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:26.879 necessarily the case. I've talked a lot about over the 269 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.200 years on TLF that I didn't get the first to 270 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.080 ECW pay per views, that they weren't availble to me 271 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.399 in my cable system. I couldn't access them, and so 272 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.360 I was like boxed out. I mean, I was trying 273 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.960 my best view of the Internet and stuff and photos 274 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.600 to follow what was going on. I probably even got 275 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.519 my hands on a tape, but it wasn't until the 276 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.960 November to remember, November nineteen ninety seven that I was 277 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.039 able to order an ECW pay per view. And on 278 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.200 that show was Saboo and Taz pardon me, Saboo and 279 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.759 the Sandman. I think that was the Stairway to Hell 280 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:53.840 match wherever it was, it was full of ladders and 281 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.679 tables and hyper violence and crazy shit. And I've talked 282 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.600 a lot about how that was the show that I 283 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.080 recorded and brought to the to the houses of my 284 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.960 friends who weren't into wrestling, thinking if I showed them 285 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:08.240 ECWEP then they would understand. Well, I understand so obsessive 286 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.960 about pro wrestling, and it just had the exact opposite effect. 287 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.799 I sat there trying to get excited when someone broke 288 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:17.039 a table or smashed a chair, and I was looked 289 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:18.840 at as even more strange than if I were to 290 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.039 show them a Hulk Cogan or Steve Austin match. And 291 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.440 I deserved that, and every ECW fan deserved that. 292 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.080 Because because then it becomes more like, what is wrong 293 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.360 with you? Why do you enjoy watching people kill themselves 294 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:29.559 like this? 295 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.080 Because the thing is those people still look at it 296 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.200 and go, that's phony anyway, right, And that's even more 297 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.200 phony almost in a way, like these guys are just 298 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.759 like purposely doing this to themselves. They're not even trying 299 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.399 to make it look like an actual contest, So they're idiots, 300 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:44.919 right again, goes back to idiots, And I think that 301 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:46.879 was so funny that And we've talked so much about 302 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.320 what is the psychology at the root of deathmatch wrestling, 303 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:51.120 what is the psychology at the root of the fan 304 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.360 of that stuff? Over the years, we've talked about it. 305 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:55.759 We talked about it looking at CZW matches during the 306 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.519 Art of War Games, all the ECW matches we've done 307 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.120 over the years and shows always for me comes back 308 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.720 to this kind of idea that the wrestling fan is 309 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.639 insecure about liking something that's phony and all of the 310 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.720 social judgment that comes with that, and so they lean 311 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.480 into if they're very uncomfortable with that, they don't know 312 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.279 how to deal with that, they lean into something where 313 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.720 the actual impact and the actual violence is unquestionably it's 314 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:25.840 more punishing, it's more visceral, it's more violent, and these 315 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:29.039 guys are taking risks that nobody can call into question. 316 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.399 But at the same time, it doesn't mean anybody is 317 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.600 going to see the value in pro wrestling. It probably 318 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.320 means the opposite. You know, people can kind of get 319 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.279 into the idea that it's some kind of like passion 320 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.600 play and not get into it but understand it. But 321 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:44.519 when you start saying like, well, these guys are different 322 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.440 because they actually bust their asses through fucking furniture, people like, 323 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:50.120 what are you talking about. 324 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.639 With No, it's it's it's in a way, it's worse. 325 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:55.919 It's definitely it's worse. You know, like people are actually 326 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.279 gonna think even you know, it's it's funny, it's a 327 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.480 wrestling thing. You want to prove to people that it's real. 328 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.240 But then when you get to show them, show them 329 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.399 something that that is in many ways has more realism 330 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.000 than than w B or WCW, you're even more of 331 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:16.320 a fool for watching people harm themselves for fraudulents. 332 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.480 Right, and like pretending that there's honor in that, you know, right, 333 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.720 what all there is in that is just a way 334 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:24.320 to stand out if the big two don't want to 335 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:25.480 employ you, right. 336 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.519 When, and and and and nobody cares. None of your 337 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:30.519 friends care about that. 338 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.120 Yeah, e CW kind of tricked you and I thinking 339 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:34.759 your friends could care. But I had some friends that 340 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.840 were sort of like borderline wrestling fans, but I got 341 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:39.600 them involved in e c dub and they kind of 342 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:42.080 they got the whole like, you know, almost like a 343 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.200 screaming at a heavy metal concert live show experience that was. 344 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:48.840 That was pretty differentiated going to an ECW live show 345 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.720 versus a WWF W CW live show, no comparison, it was. 346 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.320 It was much more of like a mosh pit atmosphere 347 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:55.720 and it was just. 348 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:58.159 Oh, for God's sake, Yeah, everyone was more. 349 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.360 Everyone was a smart ass scream and shit trying to 350 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.759 you know, a lot of swearing going on, which was 351 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:05.599 of course hyper cool if you were in your teens, 352 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:07.599 like we were doing the Attitude era, that you could 353 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.359 go somewhere and your parents would drop you off and 354 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.160 you could scream fuck at the top of your lungs 355 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:13.200 and people would laugh at you instead of seek to 356 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.599 have you ejected because their kid is here, right, right, 357 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.000 right exactly all of that. It was almost like, yeah, 358 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.920 it was like being dropped off at some like secret 359 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.880 underground fight club, you know, Oh definitely and accounted for 360 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:25.960 a lot. Shout out to the homie Jacob who wrote, 361 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:28.160 you know, we were talking about that match where Saboo 362 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.599 broke his jaw Moon Salt to an upside down table. 363 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:32.680 He was He's a Boston guy, and he's like, is 364 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:34.440 that the show I was at? All I can tell 365 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:35.960 you is that? And we'll get to it a bit 366 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.400 more later that Sabo and his book does recall that 367 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:40.359 injury happening on a show in Boston, but the way 368 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.680 he describes it, it may have very well been the 369 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.559 house show I was at in nineteen ninety seven in Revere, 370 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:47.839 mass not Waltham, mass which I think is the one 371 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.079 Jacob went to. But they often went to those two 372 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.079 towns back to back when they heard in Massachusetts swing 373 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.279 and because he described in his book this moment where 374 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:58.000 Tammy Sitch, who of course was Chris Candido's girlfriend wife 375 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.759 at the time, was there but not there as a character, 376 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.160 just there with him and peeked her head over like 377 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.319 a wall in the back that they had around the racetrack. 378 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.400 He described it as the racetrack facility. And that was 379 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.440 definitely the Revere Wonderland Greyhound Park shows. And I remember 380 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.359 standing on my chair trying to see the ring and 381 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:15.559 turning around and be like, oh shit, that's Sounny looking 382 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:17.920 out over that wall, and no one even notices she's there, 383 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.359 being really stupid and dumb at the time or ignorant 384 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.119 to the fact that they were actually together. I mean, 385 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.519 I knew they were together, but the idea that she 386 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.720 traveled with him on the road when she as far 387 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.279 as I knew, and ninety eight it was, it was 388 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:30.960 eight ninety seven, ninety. 389 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.720 Eight, ninety eight. She's managing the illegion exactly to me. 390 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:35.200 She's like, not, I'm supposed to be here. It's like 391 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:39.400 a right, it's inappropriate, it's against WWA protocol. She probably 392 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:41.559 was already on the outside. I just didn't know it 393 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:43.160 yet because I think it was the summer of ninety eight. 394 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:44.880 But that's how I found out about that show. They 395 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.599 were flying wrestleman Yua fourteen. They were handing out ECW 396 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:52.799 flyers outside of the Fleet Center. But oh shit, yeah, 397 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.079 so I don't know precisely what match it is. You know, 398 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.240 our video used to do handicams of all the ECW 399 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.400 house shows. I found it really strange that it's so 400 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.240 hard to find the match. You would think the match 401 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.319 where Saboo both broke his jaw on an upside down 402 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.759 table would be one that would survive and clip form 403 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.240 like the mass transit thing or any of those other 404 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:11.680 ECW flash points over the years. But I had a 405 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.119 hell of a time coming to an actual date as 406 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.839 to when this happened. But it did have a long 407 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.880 ranging consequences, more than we've been talked about in Part one. 408 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:22.640 We'll get into that in Part two, which is really 409 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.119 going to be focused again on Sabu's ECW work during 410 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.160 the Attitude era. What was Saboo doing while Stone Cold 411 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:30.160 and the NWL were lighting the wrestling world on fire? 412 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.119 What was he doing to keep the flame burning at 413 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.839 Extreme Championship Wrestling, and that has everything to do with TAZ. 414 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:36.960 You know. 415 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.759 Mmm, it's an interesting position for us because having done 416 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.039 Barely Legal in the archives, having done Born to Be Wired, 417 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.480 the barb Wire match against Cherry Funk, Yes, a lot 418 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:50.240 of the real key flash point like matches you could 419 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.799 say were Sabu truly main evented and carried the ship 420 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.160 on a big show that everybody remembers, we've already done 421 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.200 per happenstance, So right right, it's kind of true we're 422 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.119 in this position of having to revisit without fully revisiting. 423 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.039 But at the time, I mean GEZCW Barely Legal was 424 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:06.599 probably about our fifth or sixth episode. 425 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:09.640 No, it wasn't that far back, but it was definitely 426 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.720 it was one of the uh, I'm gonna say it 427 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.960 was like maybe a twelve somewhere around it because it 428 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:18.720 was one of the four shows that we did. We 429 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:23.119 did the first Chairman's Choice where we did you picked 430 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:24.960 that as one of your two shows we picked. We 431 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.559 each picked two shows, so four total before we started 432 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:29.799 the Wrestling Your Journey. 433 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.839 Amazing, So we certainly weren't on the mode of you know, 434 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.079 doing the full all points, research and everything in terms 435 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.599 of background and context. So there's a little bit more 436 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.680 to say here. I think we've already established though, this 437 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:44.799 idea that Taz versus Saboo was really like this thing 438 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.759 simmering under the surface for over a year in ECW. 439 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:50.519 That clearly was a big match because while they had 440 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:52.880 team together when he was the Taz Maniac, they really 441 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.200 never had much of a of a one on one feud. 442 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.079 They had wrestled each other before, as we'll get to, 443 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.960 but in ECW, but it was one of the two 444 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.279 kind of shining main event stars that had never crossed paths, 445 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:05.839 and that was that was the money direction if they 446 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.039 could go there. And what they start doing, as mentioned, 447 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.519 is having Taz call out Sabou all the time on 448 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.200 promos because he certainly was promoing all the time. He 449 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.839 wasn't a silent character like Sabu was, and Sabu would 450 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.519 never respond, he would never answer. And then when Sabu 451 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.279 picked New Japan over ECW, when the Fuck Sabou episode happened, 452 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.480 Taz was one of the main voices saying, you know, 453 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.000 eat in the sheets and stuff, even saying that Sabu 454 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.119 made the wrong choice. 455 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:30.720 When you give you word. 456 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.720 It just further added to the feud, even if it 457 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.119 was shoot comments, it continued this idea that Sabo that 458 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.519 Taz was was taking pot shots at Sabu, and Sabu 459 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.880 really wasn't in a position to respond. Although he did 460 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:46.640 respond in the sheets and stuff, he didn't go on 461 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.880 television and just throw his whole character away, you know, 462 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.599 to start answering in English. You know, he wanted people, 463 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:54.519 he wanted the wrestling fans to believe he didn't speak 464 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.640 English basically, like like the icy right, So that really 465 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.160 was a tough position for him to be in. But 466 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.440 you know, it continued, and it continued, and it was like, 467 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:04.400 is Saboo ever going to do anything? Is sab who 468 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.319 ever going to confront this guy? Is Sabu even going 469 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.519 to acknowledge that he's being cat called by this big 470 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.440 tough guy on the sidelines who's suplexing everyone in their 471 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.119 head and running roughshot the RECW and wants to basically 472 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.279 claim the mantle on the flag of ECW's face, ECW's 473 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:20.640 flag bearer. And it's like that's Saboo Pale, Like I 474 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.079 hate to tell you, he's the heart and soul of 475 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:23.799 the whole operation. He's the guy we think of when 476 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.359 we think of ECW as Taz is on the ascent 477 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.119 as a single star. So Taz is choking everybody out 478 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.880 and doing the shoot gimmick, and it's simmering and it's 479 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.920 simmering and it's simmering, and eventually it pops off and 480 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.319 that becomes really the key drawing card I would say 481 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.000 of Barely Legal was Taz and Saboo. That was the 482 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:42.880 match on the poster, that was the most anticipated thing 483 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:44.599 that had all to build. Part of the reason it 484 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.359 went so long. The build was really because while ECW 485 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.640 was working on a pay per view and it came 486 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.759 to fruition in April nineteen ninety seven, they had several 487 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.400 false starts and stops as far as when their first 488 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.599 pay per view would have been before that. Pression I 489 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.200 always got was that Paul Hayman wanted to hang on 490 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:01.240 to the Task Saboo match for that first show whenever 491 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.119 it would have been. So you want to give him 492 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.519 a lot of credit for a big, long build, And 493 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:06.640 I guess he does get credit because he didn't prematurely 494 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.160 just throw it on a show before this. But I 495 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.000 think if the first ECW pay per view would have 496 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:12.759 happened in the middle of nineteen ninety six. We would 497 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.559 have gotten it then with half the build. Interesting, it 498 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.000 was just a matter of when they could finally get 499 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:21.039 the cable systems cleared and put aside the concerns they 500 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.599 had that this was some kind of you know, blood 501 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.480 sport thing or even we've talked about this before, even 502 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.200 something that was tantamount to no hole's barred UFC at 503 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:32.200 the time, you know, they didn't really understand some cable systems. 504 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.480 This was an ultimate fighting which was a huge, huge 505 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:37.759 lightning lot of controversy for the pay per view industry 506 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:40.200 back in oh god, the mid nineties when ECW was 507 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:40.680 looking to get on. 508 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.400 You know, I remember that, you know, there were people 509 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:50.240 who were you know, I remember feeling that that wrestling 510 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:55.200 fantom was already this brief wrestling fandom, like people acknowledging 511 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.720 in high school that they were wrestling fans was about 512 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:02.920 was almost so short lived because of UFC. Yeah, and 513 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.160 people were like suddenly like the same people who were 514 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.480 And again keep in mind, I still kept my fandoms 515 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:10.720 as close to the chest as. 516 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:11.400 I possibly could. 517 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.880 I never really let that out in high school, even 518 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.599 when there were people who were who were going nuts 519 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.480 for it, and but I remember thinking, Wow, God, that 520 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.240 was fast. They're already onto this other thing. Jesus Christ, 521 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:26.880 what's going on? 522 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.880 Absolutely yeah, and that that ended up coming to Fruition 523 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:32.880 in two thousand and five, taking so many racing fans away. 524 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:38.599 But you know, the thing was UFC's competitor, main competitor 525 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.039 at the time was Extreme Fighting. It was called Extreme 526 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:43.039 something or other. So you could see where a lot 527 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.720 of that confusion came from. It wasn't just h it 528 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.079 wasn't just you know, blindly assuming that it had something 529 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.920 to do with with with you know, UFC, but that 530 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.200 there was another extreme brand name out there that also 531 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:56.839 created some some loveless confusion. 532 00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:57.759 So we. 533 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.440 Were getting there and we're getting to barely legal, and 534 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.160 we'll talk about it, of course, But if you're on 535 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.200 talk about the history of Taz and Saboo, you of 536 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.400 course have to go back to the beginning of Extreme 537 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.920 Championship Wrestling, because Taz was really one of the first 538 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.119 guys that Paul Hayman brought over there, one of the 539 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.960 New York guys along with Dreamer and stuff. Whereas Sandman 540 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.079 and and Saboo to some degree were more like the 541 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.519 Todd Gordon Philly guys. And you know, they came together 542 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.480 at a time, but it was still the Eastern Championship Wrestling. 543 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.200 Remember that clip we saw last time where Sabou eat 544 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.519 Shane Douglass for his first ECW world title and he 545 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:31.680 had the Hannibal Elector mask and he was strapped to 546 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.279 the gurney and remember all that. Yes, it was like 547 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.799 he was like a psych word patient. Basically was the 548 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.559 original vision and Paul Hayman was his manager. That was 549 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.759 the very first time that Taz and Saboo went one 550 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.519 on one INECW. It was in nineteen ninety three, the 551 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.480 fall of nineteen ninety three. ECW had just started as 552 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:53.079 a promotion and it's the first time that their their 553 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.039 paths crossed when Sabu is in that character. Recently, I 554 00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:58.599 think it was a couple of years ago now, Conrad 555 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.359 Thompson had had Abo and Taz both on a joint 556 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.880 and zoom to look over their barely legal match again 557 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:05.480 and talk about their history and do kind of a 558 00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:08.799 watch along and tak yeah yep, and Taz offered this 559 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:12.920 color here about how he first became acquainted with Saboo 560 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.319 and how intertwined from the beginning his career was with Saboo. 561 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.759 And I comment, I'll have to go back to time 562 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:20.799 a little bit, and I want to I want to 563 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.640 put Saboo over Big Gear because you talk about that. 564 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.880 He was like an internet dolling kind of before there 565 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.640 was internet. Uh, I'm telling you right now, bro. In 566 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.839 the early nine is Shaboo was red hot and Hayment, 567 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.519 Paul Hayman called me. I didn't really know Paul that well. 568 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:37.960 I might have met him one one time before and 569 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:41.119 he called me up and he said, have you ever 570 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.279 heard this guy Saboo? Because I I knew Paul started 571 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.079 helping book with Eddie Gilbert of some ship this this 572 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:50.279 Eastern Championship Wrestling of Philadelphia, and I was trying to 573 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:51.960 get in there because I was looking for dates. I 574 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.319 had no money, I was fucking born. I needed work, 575 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.440 and I knew that this was a hot thing. So 576 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.279 Paul kind of said and touch. We stayed in touch 577 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:00.759 with each other a little bit, and like I said, 578 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.240 I met him maybe one time for IWCCW he was booking. 579 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.759 This was probably like nineteen ninety one. He got fired 580 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.319 after two weeks he told Mary Samalda to go fuck 581 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:14.200 himself and that's to shoot. So yeah, So what happens 582 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.880 is all calls me and says, hey, look, I can 583 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.839 guarantee you one date. And it was like early October 584 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:21.839 nineteen ninety three against this guy Saboe. 585 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:22.519 Do you know who he is? 586 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:24.720 I go, I don't know him personally, I said, but 587 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.920 I was recently on a show at him in Minneapolis. Uh, 588 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:31.039 and I met him and I said, the guy's fucking fantastic. 589 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.960 He goes, well, I need to put him over and 590 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.640 I can guarantee you one date that date and if 591 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.000 it goes well, we'll see what happens. I said, I 592 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.599 don't give a fuck. I'll put him over, no problem. 593 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.480 That guy's great. And then you know, Shabou was like 594 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.880 he was like throughout the independent circuit before it was 595 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.200 even called independence. He was the fucking guy, you know, 596 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.680 like he's a man. You know, he was the fucking man. 597 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.319 So you know, he gave me a he let me 598 00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:59.200 do so much in that match, and I was like 599 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.920 so humble about it, and he helped me get a 600 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.079 job because he let me get so much heat on him. 601 00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:08.640 Because the fucking guy's a genius because he sells his asshole, 602 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.400 you know, and even on his high spots, he selves, 603 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.400 he out sells the guys he's hitting. So Shabu has 604 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.880 been way ahead of his time for many, many years. 605 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.359 And so I I I'll publicly thank you, I mean 606 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.440 close to you. I got hired man because you let 607 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.079 me fucking stick out there. 608 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.079 A lot of people saying similar things about sab But 609 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.799 he sounds so weird. Really, yeah, you don't think he 610 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.039 sounded like that. He doesn't sound like Taz it sounds. 611 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.720 He sounds. I don't know, he sounds. 612 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.039 That's Taz at home, you know, I guess I guess 613 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.240 that's what it is. Tazit home in his in his skin, 614 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.440 not trying to do that, Taz in Red Hook. He 615 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.000 probably lives in Westchester County now, I'm sure he does. 616 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.759 Like his son plays lacrosse and lives up on a 617 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.680 fucking hill. You know that, you know, fucking you know, 618 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.680 gated community. Can you imagine the vest in the fall, 619 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:03.759 the Patagonia vests. 620 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.279 I mean, I imagine every fucking function that he wears. 621 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:13.839 He's got a vest, all right. He kind of remember 622 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:14.599 one time he wore. 623 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.839 A Polo vest On Dynamite because they were outside during 624 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.720 COVID and Jacksonville and I was like, that's that's definitely Taz. 625 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.200 On the weekend going to the sports fields. 626 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.160 Oh, I mean, that's like he decided that that was 627 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.839 gonna be his things, the vest and so he everywhere 628 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:32.880 he goes, if he's out of the house, he's got 629 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.319 some sort of vest on. Even if it's a fucking 630 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.680 you know, like hoodie vest whatever, he's got the vest. 631 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.359 He's got a vested interest in himself. 632 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.279 It is pretty funny the New York parents that don't 633 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.640 know he was a wrestler. You know, Oh the is 634 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:45.599 no Miss Pete, you know. 635 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.119 Oh my god, you know that there are that there 636 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.559 are a slew of neighbors that he has who really 637 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.640 have no fucking clue that he that he was a wrestler. 638 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.599 They have no idea. They just think he's some nice 639 00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:58.559 guy you. 640 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.440 Know who you know, or a little television it's a 641 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.720 little loud when you know, something happens on the on 642 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.799 the on the soccer field or something. You know, like, 643 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.079 I don't want my kid yelling at the umps. That's 644 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:10.200 the last thing I want to teach him to do. 645 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.599 But there comes a point where you know, you got 646 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.599 to call balls that strikes correctly, not for nothing, not 647 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.599 for anything. It's exactly correct. Real think Taz talks shit 648 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.359 about youth sports referees. Give me God, I cost you 649 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:24.720 the game. 650 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.440 Can you imagine after the game, like he's out having 651 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.559 like he invites some of the parents over, you know, 652 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.000 some of the families over to have like a you know, 653 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.359 a little cookout. After some of the games, he is 654 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.559 just fucking going all the whole time. Yeah, yep, standing 655 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.200 by the grill, like fucking Tony soprano, you know, just 656 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.079 standing by the grill and just just fucking you know, 657 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.160 talking about what they would do if they had that 658 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.720 that referee here right now, like the like reforms that 659 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.079 the program should Yeah, yep, with his with his pals 660 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.799 wearing their uh you know, open collar blue button down 661 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.119 shirts and their khakis, be tucked in khakis. 662 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.720 Be careful or Tas might join the board. 663 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.200 Okay. Can you imagine just imagine imagine Taz like on 664 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:20.799 on any kind of of of you know, youth athletic boards. 665 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.119 Oh, recite him on the agenda? Are the minutes? Are 666 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.000 there any any suggestions before we finalize some minutes. 667 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.319 Also just also picture him. Okay again, he's wearing a 668 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.279 vest with a with a with a with a closed 669 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.720 collared shirt with no neck. All right, his head goes 670 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:46.480 directly to shirt and then vest. Okay, it's like a 671 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:50.599 fucking it's like a uh, we love it. It's like 672 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.119 it's like, what do you call you know, some kind 673 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:55.839 of god. I can't I can't think of what you 674 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.759 call the thing. I don't know what you're talking about, 675 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.400 Like some kind of like a a platform you rest 676 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.640 something on. You know, it's like just perfectly made. That's 677 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.119 what his head just kind of like, Yeah, his head 678 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.759 just plops down on on on the collar of the shirt. 679 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.160 What what what tas? 680 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.839 What tas show were they talking about? They talked about 681 00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.839 him being on the Youth Sports Board. Oh yeah, SAB 682 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:21.799 Tribute Part two. 683 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.079 So you know, he he comes in he you know, 684 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:27.480 whenever he had whenever he has a meeting, he like 685 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.640 he like brings a bunch of fucking sandwiches, you know, 686 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.519 cold cut sandwiches to everybody. You know, brings a whole 687 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.920 fucking platter from some some Italian deli. 688 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.480 Because that's the thing. You know, he's kind of a 689 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.839 nice guy, right, exactly what I mean. It's there, It's 690 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.880 definitely there. He don't fuck with him. But he's very 691 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.119 happy to be a bad guy. But like he's kind 692 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.079 of a nice guy. He's almost he doesn't like that 693 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:50.920 he's a nice guy. It makes him uncomfortable, but he 694 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.319 can't help himself. But he but he knows, he knows, 695 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.880 he knows that he needs to hide as much as 696 00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:01.640 he can. He's resting background. Okay, so if that means 697 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.480 being a nice guy, he'll do it. But listen, all right, 698 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.960 if if, if if an umpire or a referee crosses him, 699 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.240 it's tas mission City City just fucking cranks it. Not 700 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:16.799 for something the task story. 701 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.480 Just imagine, you know, like you know, like in in 702 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.880 No Mercy, how you lock in the TAS mission and 703 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.200 U and one of the arms is like flailing. Let's 704 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.640 imagine you know, a youth a youth sports league referee 705 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:33.279 just getting TAS missions. 706 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.880 Hey, Blue, bad call Blue. 707 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.839 Speaking of Blue, Let's go to Eastern Championship Wrestling from 708 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.240 October fifth, nineteen ninety three. You have that link there, 709 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.720 boss uh, I probably will here in a moment the 710 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.119 chat as the kids say, there we go. So this 711 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.319 is going to be a Milaune of the different video sources. Unfortunately, 712 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:57.559 everything can't just be in one convenient place, So this 713 00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.640 one's available on YouTube if you'd like to check it out, 714 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.640 refer to here in the the YouTube titling is Sabo 715 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.559 with nine one e W and ring debuts this. I 716 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:06.960 don't know if this is supposed to be Taz is 717 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:08.480 in ring debut. The way you talked about it in 718 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.039 that click we just listened to made it seemed like that. 719 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.480 I don't think it's Saboo's in ring debut. But anyway, 720 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.760 here we go. This is the very first time Taz 721 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.119 and Saboo collided, and what would go to be you know, 722 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.920 a central uh canonical e c W food three two 723 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:22.960 one in play. 724 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:35.719 I'm next d CW. Saboo screaming, Oh he has a 725 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:36.599 fucking hannibal. 726 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.320 He doesn't a handle left. Look your mask. 727 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.800 There's tasmaniac looking like friend Minstone. Look he really is, 728 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.280 look at look at that? Look at the stands he 729 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:53.159 has like this the space between his legs. Taz is 730 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.360 backing up the ring announcer. Okay, they just unchained Saboo 731 00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.719 and he's hit the ring and he it's a spinning 732 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.400 heel kick to the back of Kazi. You know that 733 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.280 could have been a little more impactful after coming in 734 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.960 like that. I mean he like Bailey barely tapped him 735 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.960 on the back of the head outside him with the 736 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.039 leg drop. So yeah, this is when Saba's gimmick was. 737 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.039 He was, you know, chained up, a chained up pit 738 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.920 bull and would strike. No. Wait, is that Tazz or 739 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:22.960 is that man tarw Jesus let her rope to the 740 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.079 floor way before we were accustomed to that, and wrest that. 741 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.800 If you're keeping score at home, we have self sacrifice here. 742 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:39.159 From commercial break, here we go in the crowd. He 743 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.079 talked on that that Conrad show about how he remembers 744 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.480 this so much because they just had no no, no, 745 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.960 no restrictions and they just started using the whole building 746 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.320 and everything they'd get their hands on. 747 00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:57.400 I can't see him. 748 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.920 They weren't quite said a camera shoot perspective to follow 749 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:02.360 these guys. 750 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:03.960 It's not for everyone. 751 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.159 It's not even. 752 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.880 It's not for everyone. It's not for the camera men. 753 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.800 Say that again, Paul. Wow, they're battling back to ringside 754 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.119 with tables in their hands. Sabo jumps in the ring. 755 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.320 Taz follows after him that hair is inappropriate, Huntaz, Yeah, 756 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:22.840 oh yeah, that was quite a look for him. Then 757 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.079 it's supposed to be some like jungle creature, you know, 758 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:36.039 and like the road warrior animal face painting there spinning 759 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.760 heelkick puts Tas on the floor. Saboo goes to suicide dives, 760 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:40.639 but tas Maniac ducks out of the way, so Sabu 761 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:42.360 follows up with the slingshot somersalt. 762 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:48.400 Jesus, he covered ground. Oh Jesus, look at look at 763 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.519 look at all the ship on the floor. Taz his 764 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:59.119 bare feet on the floor. Oh, glass metal just south phillies, refuse, 765 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.159 We've been there. What he knows that you know that 766 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.159 smell like you know, the smell of beer, soda and 767 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:14.480 other sugar, Huggies beverages, Oh, and Huggies. Taz is stored 768 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.280 chair after chair on a Sablue's head. 769 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:24.800 What what what? I never understood what the tasmaniac gimmick like? 770 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.639 Where? Obviously I assume it came from the Tasmanian devil, 771 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.920 that's right, But I don't understand why. 772 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.280 Oh ship with an Arabian press to the floor almost 773 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:36.199 came up short see. 774 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.480 See it's that it's that kind of stuff like there 775 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.960 was no there was no thought beforehand, which I I 776 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.639 I want to appreciate in some level. But at the 777 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:50.079 same time, you could kill like you're gonna kill yourself. 778 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.320 Obviously he didn't. But you know, that's the thing that's 779 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.000 Sablu story. You're gonna kill yourself And then he never did, right, 780 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.360 I know, And there so there's something to be said 781 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.840 for that. But but I guess the question is was 782 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.920 it was it luck or was it a technique that 783 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:11.719 kept him surviving, that kept him alive? 784 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.199 I do think tomorrow I watch of him back in 785 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.840 the ring high German holy almost style. 786 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:20.159 Yeah. 787 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.760 Yeah, when I watched off Sabo, the more I think 788 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.480 he was actually good at making it look like he 789 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.719 was out of control more than he was in terms 790 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:32.519 of flying. Yeah, Elta belly overhead by the Tasmania float 791 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:37.320 over lateral prescotts too. It is still superlexing. Film composer 792 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.119 Hans Zimmer is your referee tonight. 793 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:41.360 That's John Finnegan. 794 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:42.039 I believe. 795 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.400 He was the inhuman suplex machine back then. 796 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:49.519 Oh, I see. 797 00:38:51.719 --> 00:39:00.519 Driving from the tough streets of Red Hook, those bright, 798 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:05.519 those bright red scars still on Sabo's arm on the 799 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.880 fm W days as we talked about last time back 800 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:09.760 up in the Irish Whip. 801 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:16.639 Now Tasmaniac shoots off Sabo, Taz bring me that stout offense. 802 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:20.559 This is stout dude. 803 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.760 As we talk about the event, he later on would 804 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.360 actually bust Saboo's jaw with one of those clothes lines 805 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:29.639 to the height of their feud. 806 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:34.840 Yeah, he is a little teapot that Taz short and 807 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:41.599 Stout down on the concrete writhing. Now is Saboo. 808 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.679 So clutching that ankle from the wave impress to the 809 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.159 floor that came up a bit short. The shin bone 810 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.800 appeared to be smacked across the top of Taz's head. 811 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.159 Now Taz is loading a table into the ring. I 812 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.039 can't forget the contact. Sabo was the only guy in 813 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.360 the business using tables this way at the time. That's 814 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:06.760 that came to see this. It's funny to b c W. 815 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:09.719 This is before every match was no DQ. They keep 816 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.280 talking about how there's been a decision to make this 817 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.480 one no count out. So in a lot of ways, 818 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.840 we're seeing these w style come into focus here because 819 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.159 they haven't made it. The whole idea of the company. 820 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.039 Yet, honestly, I would imagine that that's kind of what 821 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.519 we're looking at here in a way, because it's you know, 822 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.760 because uh Sab was in the company from such an 823 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.360 early before you. 824 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.199 Taz pops sella Delli overhead and they fall down on 825 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.000 the crumpled table. Has just going off trying to take 826 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:49.639 the table apart. That's what you gotta do, man, when 827 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:50.360 something doesn't go right. 828 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:58.800 Yeah. Yeah, the drop taz Is thighs are just. 829 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.920 Unbelievable, the outside and the lakedrop and landed on the 830 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.480 bust of tables moving out of the way. The short, 831 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:16.760 massive thighs of Taz. You know, he's like a king 832 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:21.119 of squats. Look at the feet, Look at his feet, 833 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:27.760 his feeling they're dirty. Yeah, I have no problem with it. Sure, Psycho, 834 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:37.719 Taz is biting, sapping now back flips and clips him 835 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.360 in the corner with a hard clothesline. I don't know what. 836 00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.119 Why is he back flipping? I don't know. Yeah, he's 837 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.039 almost doing a back handspring, but not completely planting on 838 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.280 his feet on his face and laying on his face. 839 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:55.559 That bucklane makes a hell of a sound. 840 00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:57.880 Back then, still in red, white and blue ropes, and 841 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.480 e c W by the way, Yeah, it's sounds like 842 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.239 he hit like a bunch of plastic bins. Seated on 843 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.239 the top of his Taz saboo up after room for 844 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.239 the superhero Kinana another move that he was, oh, didn't 845 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:11.760 want to launch. 846 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:14.119 He don't know what to think about that. 847 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:15.960 He's acting like he countered it. 848 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.679 Maybe Sabo was just supposed to Yeah, crash and burn 849 00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.800 was supposed to stay seated, Taz back up top doing 850 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:25.360 this forward roll splash. 851 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:32.679 Nobody home the way Taz is like when he has 852 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.239 his his feet like his knees bent and his like 853 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.280 legs are spread wide open. 854 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.119 It's just it's very uncomfortable. 855 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.840 Yeah, he's he's quite a he's quite a sight when 856 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:45.800 he splayed out like that. 857 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:52.880 Yeah, he's. It's it's very weird. Knee on the face 858 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.159 cover to win. 859 00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.239 Wow, again, that's the sab that's the moon saw the 860 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:06.239 Terry Funk's watching. Yeah, that's like he fucking would he 861 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:11.559 stern championship like before the Well, I guess it wasn't him. 862 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:13.800 The last n was r VD last time, but he 863 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.039 he landed with his knee on the face that looked 864 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.800 like yeah, so this was the debut. Listen to how Polly, 865 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.000 I'm gonna rewind on your hair. You can stop your sounds. 866 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:26.639 A new force. 867 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:31.280 He stern Championship, Rusty, we have met the most animalistic 868 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.199 wrestler in the history. 869 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:33.599 Of this sport. 870 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:35.199 We have met. 871 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.400 That's Polly and full salesman right there. 872 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.239 He sounds weird too. Everyone sounds weird? 873 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:42.599 Is it me? 874 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:44.199 Yeah? 875 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.400 An the probably oh yes. And then after the match 876 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.960 he gets the table in the ring, no opponent and 877 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.000 just moon salts through it. 878 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.480 Wow, idiot. 879 00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:59.880 Speech. I cannot believe this chat pool was. 880 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.360 I wonder if he started if he did that because 881 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.199 the table spot failed, because later he would just do 882 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.480 that all the time. But if this is his e 883 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:10.119 c W debut, maybe it's just he did that because 884 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.239 in the first match the table spot didn't work out. 885 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.119 And so I'll make this my signature the case, I 886 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.119 put myself to a table after my match because you 887 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:23.920 used to do that all the time. That plays intending 888 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:24.599 a psychopath. 889 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.239 Do it again? The table he said he was climbing 890 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:33.320 again with people pleading with him about an idiot to 891 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:38.960 your point, Yeah, it's just not necessary, pal, And he goes, 892 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:49.920 here's noise to Listen to his noise at the end. Listen, Well, uh, Doc, 893 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.320 it'll it'll surprise you to learn that the broken leg 894 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.719 did not come from something I did to my opponent. 895 00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.239 You see, after my matches are done, what I tend 896 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.280 to do his throw myself with no opponent onto furniture. 897 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:05.840 I figure this is the best way to Uh, this 898 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.599 is just like a nice little a nice little exclamation 899 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.239 point on my matches is to just damage myself for fun? 900 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:15.960 Is that okay with you? 901 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:17.400 But he did? 902 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.440 You know, you've got a crowd there that still doesn't 903 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.880 know what ECW is. You've got people watching on tape, 904 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:25.280 and you know, if they were able to find this 905 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.119 on syndicated television and the limited RECCW had in nineteen 906 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.199 ninety three, mostly in Sports Channel Philadelphia, that didn't really 907 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.639 know what ECW is going to become. And this guy 908 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:39.400 is like he's he's there's nwe NWAECW and then there's Sabu. 909 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.719 It's not like Sabu has come to represent what the 910 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.719 company is yet you know, right, it's not what Sabu 911 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.440 does is what the whole company does. That evolved, particularly 912 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.559 as we talked about last time, as Sabu missed some shots, 913 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.519 and then they still wanted to have tables on the 914 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.519 show because Sabu had raised this expectation for ACW ticket 915 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.639 buyers and fans such as they were at the time, 916 00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.320 that they were going to see busted tables if they 917 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.039 came at the show. So they let other guys like 918 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.400 Public Enemy start breaking tables and that, Like, really, Sabo 919 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.559 really didn't like that because that was really his thing, 920 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.599 and I don't think he necessarily considered it fair use, 921 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:17.519 you know, intellectual property in a business where you know, Paul, 922 00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:21.920 what off about my ip on the table break? Can 923 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.960 we talk about my IP? My patent in the table breaking? 924 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:27.320 Uh? 925 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:28.760 Innovative? 926 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.360 Sabo was nothing if not a patent lawyer. Certainly did 927 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:37.239 a lot of patented things. So true, that is true, 928 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.159 But so yeah, it's almost like Saboo is like this 929 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.880 part of the show where this crazy shit happens, and 930 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:45.760 the rest of the show was like fucking you know, 931 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.239 Jimmy Snooker and Don Morocco and fucking road Warrior Hawk 932 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:50.280 and all these randos. 933 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.199 I know that was the weird, right, I remember, it 934 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.119 was like this weird, this this weird concoction of of 935 00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:58.800 old timers and newbies. 936 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.840 Absolutely, one of the big breakthrough matches for Saboo was 937 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.840 when he teamed it was with it was him and 938 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.360 Terry Funk versus Arn Anderson and Bobby Eden. When Arn 939 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.719 and Bobby were coming through very quickly in the early 940 00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:16.559 days of that ECW WCW cooperation that brought Terry Funk 941 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:18.960 to w CW in nineteen ninety four to a team 942 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.800 with Bunk house Buck and that whole thing. There was 943 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:24.480 that kind of short lived bit of cooperation going on 944 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.079 ben WAH kind of being shared across the transom a bit, 945 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.360 and and Kevin Sullivan, you know, was front office at 946 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.800 WW and going to ECW all the time, and according 947 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.239 to like you know, Terry Funk's book and some other sources, 948 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:43.119 kind of kind of angling to almost make ECW something 949 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.559 that he could capture to Kevin Sulia somehow have the 950 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.679 sway over ECW that, come to find out, Vince mcmahonrually 951 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.639 ended up having in a lot of ways, and to 952 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.079 some degree also Terry Taylor. But it's it's a fascinating 953 00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.039 deal where you know, all these chess pieces are moving 954 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:02.519 around and yeah, SABO is is just the SABO experience 955 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:04.639 on the ECW card. It's not the whole idea of 956 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.679 the of the promotion yet, and Taz is apparently the 957 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.280 guy to welcome him, uh Saboo that is, to the 958 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.280 table for the first time. I did not realize that 959 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.400 that was the absolute first Sabu match in ECW, But 960 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.480 what a what a story. I don't think they even 961 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.880 leaned into that much when they did the big Saboo 962 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:21.159 Taz barely legal feud. 963 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:21.440 Was that? 964 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:21.840 Oh? 965 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:22.480 Really yeah? 966 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.360 That Tabo's very first TCW match came came at the 967 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.559 at the hands of the Taz Maniac. Tasmaniac and Sabo 968 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.800 would go on to be ECW Tag Team champions and 969 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.280 one of the bigger star attractions on on on the 970 00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.559 on the show between that that tag team, as well 971 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.679 as his future tag team with Brob Van Dam. As 972 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:41.280 much success as Sabu had as a singles wrestler in ECW, 973 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:43.480 in a lot of ways, some of this highest profile 974 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.559 stuff was in the two tag teams that he was 975 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.920 a part of because, for whatever reason, really yeah, when 976 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:49.679 he was on those tag teams, the tag team title 977 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.920 program rose way up the card in terms of prominence 978 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.719 because he was able to do so much more crazy 979 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.280 shit with six bodies in a three way dance for example, 980 00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.400 you know, with a Public Enemy and uh and and 981 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.679 and a risben Wan, Dean Malenko, or the Eliminators when 982 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:04.760 he was teaming with Rob van Dam to say nothing 983 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.760 of Ginsa, Shinsaki, the Hibusa, Hi Busa and Hakushi at 984 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.239 the Heat Wave of nineteen ninety eighth show. One of 985 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.119 the landmark ECW matches is that tag match, and they 986 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.519 could just you know, they could just do so much 987 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.280 more with that many more bodies in there and create 988 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.039 that much more chaos. So it was him and Taz 989 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.639 really that was the first time, and that was the source, 990 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.239 according to Sabu's book, of a bit of the uneasiness 991 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.719 that he and Taz ended up having between each other 992 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.880 because Sabu didn't necessarily want to be a tag team wrestler, 993 00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.840 even though it took like crazy, he didn't necessarily want to, 994 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.000 you know, bring Taz along for the ride in every 995 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.440 conceivable way, and that there was some distance. You know, 996 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.039 these two had plenty of disagreements backstage over the years. 997 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.039 There was plenty of distance between the two, and that 998 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.719 may have played no small part in why this feud, didn't, 999 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.119 you know, kick off with all due haste. Why it 1000 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.639 took so long to get these two in the ring 1001 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.800 finally was that there was there was a bit of 1002 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:58.639 that awkwardness and a bit of that competitive intensity, but 1003 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.559 it it took shape, it bubbled beneath the surface. Sabu 1004 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.760 did the nineteen ninety five you know, several month departure 1005 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.679 and then his return as we talked about last time 1006 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.480 at the nineteen ninety five November to Remember, but still 1007 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.440 Taz while facing off with while calling out Saboo and 1008 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.119 showing up when he's in the ring and stuff, Sabu 1009 00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:21.280 had yet to do anything toward Taz, and Taz is 1010 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.679 reaching the point of desperation in terms of getting Sabou 1011 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.400 to acknowledge him and acknowledge his challenge, because to Taz 1012 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.639 it's almost like existential, like until I can beat Sabu, 1013 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.639 I can't be the man I claim to be in ECW. 1014 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.400 You know, I can't be. 1015 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.880 I can't be this absolute forced to be reckoned with. 1016 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.719 So what ends up happening is there's a match where 1017 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.400 flash Funk the Future flash Funk Kka two Cold Scorpio 1018 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.239 is having his his final match. If you can pull 1019 00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.639 up Boss via Pecock okay, and you at home can 1020 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.440 do this as well. The nineteen ninety six ECW November 1021 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.719 to remember, So this is a year after Saboo returned 1022 00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.920 to the company after having that her fluffle with Paul 1023 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.239 In over choosing FMW in a bigger payday and a 1024 00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.239 bigger bit of exposure. That's a whole other part of 1025 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.000 Sabu's career that we're not going to really spend any 1026 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.199 time on here in the tribute because this is going 1027 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:11.960 to be so much more focused on his US impact. 1028 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:13.960 But the stuff he was doing in All Japan Pro 1029 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.719 Wrestling in an FMW was also equally as significant to 1030 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:19.719 the legacy he left behind and why he was so 1031 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.400 fondly remembered in Japan upon his passing as well as 1032 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.320 in the United States, not just because of the legacy 1033 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.000 of his uncle the Shig, but because of what he 1034 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.559 did as a junior heavyweight wrestler in New Japan and 1035 00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.519 All Japan and in FMW. So he was involved in 1036 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.760 some very high profile feuds in that country, kind of 1037 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.760 like a foreign invading stable and wo almost asque stable 1038 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.079 that he played a key part in as one of 1039 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.400 the invading American wrestling stars that was rampaging through Japan 1040 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.800 and had to be stopped in some great matches over 1041 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.840 there as well, And as we talked about last week, 1042 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.239 discovered a lot of his innovations in Japan first, including 1043 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.159 breaking his first table in FMW, hitting barbed wire and 1044 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.320 fire for the first time over there. So a lot 1045 00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.639 of the things he's doing and American rings to get 1046 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.440 noticed he's testing out Japan. 1047 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:01.960 What's the show again? 1048 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.719 This is the November to Remember nineteen ninety six, which 1049 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.039 I believe in peacock language makes it season three as 1050 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.960 goofy as that is November to Remember, And we're about 1051 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.639 to watch the conclusion of a match between two Cold 1052 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.119 Scorpio and Louis Paccoli, who was somebody that Sabu shared 1053 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.599 a tour tour swith in Japan, and there was some 1054 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.519 deal where Taboo did something wrong and Louis Piccoli took 1055 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.280 the blame for it and got fired, and Sabu felt 1056 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.559 so bad for him that he made sure to get 1057 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.480 him a job in ECW. So Louise Pecoli is another 1058 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.280 one of those guys. Had he survived the drug culture 1059 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:41.639 such as it was in the business at the time, 1060 00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.519 which of course he did not having died in nineteen 1061 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.840 ninety seven of an overdose due to Soma's would be 1062 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:52.639 among the cacophony of voices tributing Saboo and toasting Sabo 1063 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.360 for helping make them just as we heard from from 1064 00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:00.280 Tas moments ago. So, if you can navigate over, three 1065 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:01.639 is the time code, I'm gonna work with you. 1066 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:03.280 Fifty seven. 1067 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:08.079 So for those who don't know this show, it might 1068 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.159 seem a bit odd that on a Saboo tribute talking 1069 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.159 about the Taz feud that we would que up a 1070 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.719 two cold Scorpio versus Louis Piccoli match, but you'll see 1071 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:18.519 quite soon why it not only makes sense but actually 1072 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.679 leads to essentially one of the most iconic moments ever 1073 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.840 in ECW. Because, as we've been trying to delay the 1074 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.400 foundation here, this Taz Saboo slow burn is really starting 1075 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.079 to peak, and these fans are really itching to see 1076 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.039 what it, what it looks like, and what it means 1077 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:34.599 when these two go face to face. 1078 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:35.880 That's fascinating. 1079 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:40.079 Yeah, it worked beautifully, absolutely beautifully, And if you're ready 1080 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:42.599 to breastplay I am I am ready all right, folks, 1081 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:48.239 three two one play? Well, yeah, So both guys are 1082 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:52.280 leaving the company. I was making an ECW all. The 1083 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.320 fans knew someone was leaving, so they just leaned into 1084 00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:55.239 it and made it the story. 1085 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:56.159 You know, they didn't. 1086 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.079 Guys who get booed and they chant you sold out 1087 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:05.920 at guys, oh big clothesline. They've probably learned that from 1088 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.079 Paul Haymen screaming about Saboo, you know, not choosing you. 1089 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.280 It's not like the head of the company I discouraged 1090 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:18.400 that kind of a ogie band thinking approp clothesline by Scorpio, 1091 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.639 who also had some great matches with Saboo and ECW 1092 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.679 as well. You can imagine how the aerial styles complimented 1093 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:24.039 each other. 1094 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.239 Now correct me if I'm wrong. Is that referee Dana 1095 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.840 Ashbrook who played uh Bobby Briggs and Twin Peaks. That's him? Yeah, 1096 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:37.039 pretty good, eye perfect, excellent. Yeah. 1097 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:41.159 Spacola the death valley driver, innovator it Spacoli driver, it 1098 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.000 was called later after he died, and he hits. 1099 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.000 It on Scorpio and pins him. 1100 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.199 Wow. 1101 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.480 Scorpio does the honors for Spacoli. On his way out, 1102 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:49.159 he flashed. 1103 00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.960 Forward Piccoli looking like porky pig, and here goes that 1104 00:54:52.000 --> 00:55:01.519 you sold out. Shit. Wow, Oh they're chanting on a nauh. Yeah, 1105 00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:02.199 the fuck out? 1106 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.039 Well, you know, come to find out they're working so 1107 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:15.239 closely together at this point, Yeah, get the fuck out exactly. 1108 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.639 They almost don't mind making a production out of a 1109 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:19.400 guy leaving to w w F, but they would never 1110 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:20.199 do that if a guy. 1111 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:21.159 Was leaving for w c W. 1112 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:28.480 If they would just disappear, someone can run me off. 1113 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.159 I'm fucking staying. And we know two colds are bad, motherfucker. 1114 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.760 So who's gonna Who's gonna make too cold leave the 1115 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:40.719 ECW arena Because, of course, the bastardized peacock version of 1116 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:47.159 Kisses or Machine Taz's signature ECW entrance, which is a 1117 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:54.320 great song for him, just perfect. How belle Fonso came 1118 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.760 in ECW is the one referee that insisted on calling 1119 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:58.599 it by the rules, even when he's w want to 1120 00:55:58.639 --> 00:55:59.400 throw out the rule book. 1121 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:00.320 I love it. 1122 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.239 So he became kind of like the coach ref that 1123 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.559 would officiate matters on behalf of Taz who wanted to 1124 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.199 go by the book as well in terms of straight wrestling. 1125 00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:13.760 When he had the towel over his head looking all menacing, 1126 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:21.119 looking like that shooter off of nothing on paths shoot. 1127 00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:26.000 Puck low drop grip hips rip hop the hips low 1128 00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:30.199 rip pop rip hips over the top. 1129 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:36.480 Man. 1130 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:38.440 Back then, if you had if someone had to get 1131 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.519 some business done, you know, some dirty work, it was 1132 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:48.760 Taz for the company. His Taz with a tap out singlet. 1133 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.880 This is the height of his powers right here. Face 1134 00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.280 to face, he goes with Scorpio. 1135 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.320 I don't settle my soul with you, not the way 1136 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.039 I see it. You got two choices, brother. 1137 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:19.079 You can't get you good, he said, Fuck yeah, I 1138 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:27.679 get your fuck you see you got that big shirt 1139 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:28.760 to show up in New York. 1140 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:29.719 You're going the right. 1141 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:32.360 I need to go do that. 1142 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:41.320 Let me tell you something, task, I'm going two bigger houses. 1143 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.000 Yeah, they get the money side. 1144 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:45.760 You all. 1145 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.519 They can go palace really think welfare office, Welfare office 1146 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:51.679 and called ECW. 1147 00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:59.559 So Tash, let me tell you something, Yeah, bigger passes. 1148 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:08.199 Yes, someone screams, bigger assholes. Yeah, big money now for 1149 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:27.719 you though, scorp Yeah right, Alfonso talking. 1150 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:37.000 Ship look at him, know they already know there He 1151 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.840 goes two cold. Scorpio, exiting n c W Ring for 1152 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.639 the last time, has left alone holding the. 1153 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.800 Sticks he'd show up. He showed up at S series 1154 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.320 a matter of weeks. Get the fuck out of these 1155 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.719 they love that ship, man w fans, just I love 1156 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:54.320 that ship. 1157 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.519 Now all some more important things. 1158 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:03.199 Oh god, i've never seen tas so skinny. I want 1159 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.920 that shot up right now, Start up, motherfucker right now. 1160 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:10.599 That would beats Saboo once again. He's calling bo, let's 1161 00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:13.599 get you on enough can just for a year prigging? 1162 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.360 That's cool too. He reminds people to spend. 1163 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.800 He gets the sands out here, Come on, Saboo, help 1164 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.639 me Sa boo, sa boo, sa boom. 1165 00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.559 I ain't Oh my god, Billa Fonzo with that fucking whistle. 1166 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.800 I ain't leaving until he gets his ass out here. 1167 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.719 Wait a minute, Bob. 1168 00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.639 They're announswer Bob Artis Bob, you got somebody say. 1169 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.920 Had to move the show along task to a very 1170 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:54.960 dangerous area. 1171 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:56.920 I know you for three and a half years. 1172 00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:58.320 I have some sort of respect for. 1173 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.760 You, so you need to know what you're about to 1174 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:01.199 get into. 1175 01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:05.400 So what you're about to say, I'll talk. 1176 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.320 We have another match we have to start. You're telling 1177 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:14.000 me to get out of the ring. That's okay, Bob. 1178 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:20.440 They're good Bob shoved him on his ass. Wown to 1179 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:21.239 fucking move. 1180 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:27.920 Take my hostage, bossage. 1181 01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:27.079 And shut some mouth. 1182 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:33.639 This's just getting out of an bob. 1183 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.079 I'm telling him a muscle. 1184 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.719 Wait, be comes Todd Gordon. You see you, Founder Todd Gordon. 1185 01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.800 Oh it's getting real serious here, bubbare Dudley's out as well. 1186 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.800 Apparently some of the boys are ready to help get 1187 01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.960 Taz out of this ring. But fred Otman, Yeah, it 1188 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:53.440 looked like her. 1189 01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.920 You know the time to go, but this is the 1190 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.199 time Commissioner Gordon. 1191 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:02.400 Commissioner Gordon. That's funny. 1192 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:05.599 Oh Bell Alfonzo clips it Todd Gordon in the back 1193 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:09.920 of the head. Todd goes for Belle. Look at that. 1194 01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:12.960 Look at the crimp in the night I look look 1195 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.920 at the grip. Mark's able to escape, but Taz puts 1196 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:16.840 the commission to sleep. 1197 01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:19.920 We got a tongue out when the goofball. 1198 01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.320 Alfonso puts the mic and Gordon's face like he's gonna 1199 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:28.039 say anything. Yeah, he's none coming. 1200 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.960 He is a man of his words, is a man 1201 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:32.639 of his ward. 1202 01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:35.559 This man I didn't know they edited out all the 1203 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:39.239 f bones. Yeah, I didn't know either. 1204 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:41.239 I don't think they did in the network. 1205 01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.079 I don't know why they would carry on Peacock. 1206 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:48.320 Right, there's plenty of movies with f BOMs all over. 1207 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:53.760 There wearing what is he wearing? Some of the early 1208 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:57.880 E c W gear. Look at that the jet black hair. 1209 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:05.840 Oh yeah, Paul now bringing rose dyed hair, Paul bringing. 1210 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.119 Bubba Ray Dudley into the ring. Joey Styles talking about 1211 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:10.159 the history between Paul Hayman and. 1212 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:13.639 He's never gonna let it happen. 1213 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.039 I've heard him say it in the studio. 1214 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.320 Joey's tast saying, Paul Haymen said in the studio He's 1215 01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:23.320 never going to let Saboo versus Tas happens. Let go, 1216 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.639 Oh PAULI grabs off by the neck, and then Taz 1217 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:30.920 sneaks up behind him, and. 1218 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.639 As goes for the ride. 1219 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.719 Three bone test plex on home. Oh god, no one 1220 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:42.519 had attacked Paul before Taz with the test mission on him. 1221 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:47.840 Way, oh, my undertaker, Undertaker, where's. 1222 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:48.519 The gong ready? 1223 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:51.000 Here's the pop? 1224 01:02:53.960 --> 01:03:07.719 Yeah? Wow, that's so legendary. Tas rubbing his hands together 1225 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:15.320 like that. I still remember that cutaway. There's the legacy. 1226 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:19.159 And they circle. 1227 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:20.679 Look at this. 1228 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.360 Savoo points to the ceiling steps forward to the lights 1229 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:26.000 go out again. Wow, just as they're about to lock 1230 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:35.199 up and touch for the first time, light stay out, 1231 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:44.320 He's gone, he'll be gone. You're the lighting lighters trying 1232 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:52.920 to see you have no phone cameras now, bullshit, they 1233 01:03:53.039 --> 01:04:06.320 wanted it so bad for you right there, God, and 1234 01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.719 the ring is empty. And that's that. Wow, what a 1235 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.280 piece of business that was back then. Man, That's that's it. 1236 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.679 That's that's pretty wild. Honestly, that's it. That's I I 1237 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:22.320 I do. I do say. My one complaint is, like, 1238 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.599 I don't know. I consider the one of the things 1239 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:32.440 that I do like about E c W is that 1240 01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:39.679 even with stupid gimmicks and characters, there was still a 1241 01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:45.360 very grounded realism within the production. Yeah, and so the 1242 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.679 light suddenly going out, did they ever explain that. 1243 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.800 Oh, that was just an ECW trick that they would 1244 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:52.480 pull sometimes. 1245 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:53.440 I don't know. 1246 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:55.519 I guess you're supposed to think that Sabu found a 1247 01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:57.880 way to have the lights killed. Yeah, they did it 1248 01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:58.400 all the time. 1249 01:04:58.519 --> 01:04:59.840 Then, but then why do it? 1250 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:01.880 Like? But again, then I ask who did it? When 1251 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.920 they were about to attack each other. I get the 1252 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:07.480 idea that you are trying to hold off or you're 1253 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:12.760 trying to build suspense and and to make everyone want 1254 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.519 that even more. But I just it's like, well, I 1255 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.639 don't know what happened, right, there's a big boss man 1256 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:21.000 there too, like lifting up the belt or whatever, lifting 1257 01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:22.800 up the briefcase and the king of the ring is 1258 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.760 is he turning off the lights for everybody too? Well? 1259 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:26.960 That was one of the things I don't know when 1260 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.079 Saba was on the outs with Paul over the Japan 1261 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.360 thing that he went out in the sheets talking about, like, 1262 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:34.199 you know, ECW doesn't treat this thing like a sport, 1263 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.559 Like everything's an angle, Like there's no match that's about 1264 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.480 a winter loser. Every match is just an angle to 1265 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.360 get to the next thing. And you know, and they 1266 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.199 wouldn't bother with those logic holes, you know, And it's fine, 1267 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.559 but it's kind of funny. I just I just always 1268 01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:53.119 considered ECW to be rather logical in the stuff that 1269 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.440 we've seen. More or less, it just feels logical. 1270 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.000 I get. I'm not even talking about the the the 1271 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.840 athletic part of it as much as it just I 1272 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.639 don't know, lights going out. To me, it doesn't work 1273 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:15.639 unless you're unless you're, you know, undertaker. Yeah, well that's 1274 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.000 that's another thing. He gets away with it. But yeah, 1275 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.079 he's super natural, right exactly. 1276 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:23.760 Yeah, now, man, he's If you watch enough, you'll you'll 1277 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.480 disabuse yourself quickly of that. Ideo logical. No, I mean, 1278 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:28.639 they would just they would do shit that didn't make 1279 01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.079 sense all the time, just if it created an epic moment. 1280 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:31.400 You know. 1281 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:35.760 Sure they would backdoor into stuff and force things in 1282 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:36.159 a way. 1283 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:37.679 But yeah, that was that was it. 1284 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:39.679 The first time they were in the ring together since 1285 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.039 Taz started calling him out. And you can just tell 1286 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:43.239 that's money. You can just feel it. 1287 01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.559 You can tell God you built that up. And so 1288 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.599 that's gonna be the first ECW pay per view main event. 1289 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:48.840 Now. 1290 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.719 One of the things that Sabo has talked about, including 1291 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.119 the aforementioned conversation he had with Conrad and Taz about 1292 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.480 the beaver Le legal program, was that while those lights 1293 01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:59.719 were out, Sabo was making a bee line for the 1294 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.880 ring and ran into the post in the darkness, knocking 1295 01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:05.039 the turbine he used to wear off his head and 1296 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:07.800 creating a situation where he almost missed the queue by 1297 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.280 a second, where he wouldn't even have been on the 1298 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:12.519 ring when the lights went on, he almost he basically 1299 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.599 knocked himself on his ass trying to find his way 1300 01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:17.079 around in the dark, according to the story he was telling. 1301 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:21.280 And that's another little side note into a moment that 1302 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.440 perhaps wouldn't have been quite so epic had that had 1303 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:27.440 he not recovered from that. But that's what we got 1304 01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:29.400 in the second they touched, the lights go out again, 1305 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.280 and they aren't to touch really again until the barely 1306 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.800 legal main event. Now we got to get word out 1307 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.039 and is mentioned. You know, there wasn't exactly an arm's 1308 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.760 length relationship with Vince at the time. They're leaning into 1309 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:41.360 the fact that, you know, two colds going to go 1310 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.320 over to become flash Funk in just a matter of weeks, 1311 01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.679 for example, not trying to ignore it or pretend it's 1312 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:50.159 not happening. What else did they do to try to 1313 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.159 point wwfiballs to the very first ECW pay per view 1314 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:59.239 Who could forget Boss the February nineteen ninety seven Manhattan Ross. Oh, yes, 1315 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.679 it's all part of this, this loose relationship that the 1316 01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:05.440 two had at the time, and we mentioned it already 1317 01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:08.280 last time. This is as part of the promotion for 1318 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.719 the Sabu main event, the moment where Sabou was to 1319 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:17.239 bring some of his death defying jumps and leaps to 1320 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.640 Monday Nights for the first time, or not for the 1321 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:22.159 first time, but the first time since he'd been on 1322 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:27.479 a nitro two years prior. And this is available on YouTube. 1323 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.079 This is from that episode of Raw that that. 1324 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:30.720 We all remember. 1325 01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.000 I mean, I'm trying to remember for you. Did you 1326 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.119 watch this one as it happened where you like trying to. 1327 01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:37.960 Understand isn't isn't this the one too where. 1328 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.039 The Road Warriors came back, came back, they returned on 1329 01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:43.079 the show. Yes, they did that. I remember. 1330 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.119 I don't remember much of the ECW stuff, but I 1331 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:47.199 do remember the Road Warriors coming back and being fucking 1332 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:47.800 thrilled me too. 1333 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.159 Yep, I remember that too. I remember being really into 1334 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:52.600 the ECW thing because I was really just becoming familiar 1335 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:56.399 with what they were about and really being intrigued to 1336 01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:58.880 see them. So this was a show where I watched 1337 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:02.079 excited to see and there's T shirts and ECW hats 1338 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:06.479 all over the place, and also Ken Shamrock shows up 1339 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:08.760 for the first time. Oh yeah, that's right, audience, that's right, 1340 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.840 building too. What would be his role as guest ref 1341 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.079 in the Austin Brightheart match at WrestleMania that year. But 1342 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.359 here is a clip if you have it there, I've 1343 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:18.000 just shared it with you. 1344 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:18.600 I'm ready. 1345 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:22.880 Paul e is in full black leather on on your 1346 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.680 WWF television s get out of here, and he's, you know, 1347 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.680 basically worked out a deal for what what amount to 1348 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:33.079 free advertising slash angle to promote barely legal on WWF 1349 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.800 television at a time when WWF is absolutely on its 1350 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.399 back foot trying to counter the nWo. That's the key 1351 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:40.760 thing here. You've got to remember Vince's willing to try anything, 1352 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.199 yep to stop the momentum of what WCW had with 1353 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:48.039 the nWo, including these copycat angles which ECWKND was. 1354 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.039 I forget now. Was was there an intention to actually 1355 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:55.359 have them do like a full on invasion or was 1356 01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:57.319 it just these kind of this little like one off thing. 1357 01:09:57.640 --> 01:09:59.279 We'll get to it. But yes, it was supposed to 1358 01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:01.279 build to much more. It's more than it was, and 1359 01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:05.399 the reason it didn't happen is so symptomatic of why Sabu, 1360 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.520 no matter what, would never have been able to fit 1361 01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:09.520 into one of the Big two for very long at 1362 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.720 any given time. It's not Sabou's fault in particular, but 1363 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.680 it's the mentality that these ECW guys had to have 1364 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.079 to be ECW guys that just would not allow them 1365 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.399 to play ball in the way WWF did business in 1366 01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:26.159 WCW for that matter. But it's really it's really fascinating 1367 01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:30.520 how the values start to clash, because now they make 1368 01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.720 strange bedfellows all of a sudden, WWF and ECW, And 1369 01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:36.880 it's not all it's not all copacetic the way they 1370 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:40.199 think they should be treated and viewed to maximize the 1371 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.880 angle versus the way WWF wants to treat them and 1372 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:44.880 view them and slat them. But this is before all 1373 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.279 that disharmony. This is the first shot out of the gate. 1374 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.359 They had done the appearance at the Mind Games September 1375 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:53.520 nineteen ninety six in Your House, where Sandman and Dreamer 1376 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.680 were front row causing disturbances, with JR. Not even referencing 1377 01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.000 them really by name, just saying some local wrestlers are 1378 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.199 here trying to start trouble that. I believe it was 1379 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.960 the next night on Raw that there was another thing 1380 01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:07.000 involving Taz during an Owen Heart Davy Boy attack ting 1381 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.079 title defense, and then they dropped the angle for months 1382 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:12.079 because I think what happened was they realized they weren't 1383 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:13.600 going to get their first pay per view done by 1384 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.119 the end of ninety six, but they were starting thinking 1385 01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:20.000 that it's time to start at the CCW angle because we're. 1386 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:21.439 Going to get our first pay per view here. And 1387 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:22.359 then it took a pause. 1388 01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:24.199 You didn't hear from them through the end of ninety 1389 01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:27.640 six CCW and then come February, all of a sudden, 1390 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:31.399 Jerry Lawler's cutting a promo and extremely crappy wrestling and 1391 01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:32.640 we're doing this all over again. 1392 01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.439 Yes, so here it is. This is Sabo. 1393 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:38.079 We talked about it, trying to jump off the r 1394 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:41.880 on the Raw logo in the isleway and there goes 1395 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.159 the There goes the plan to get Taz Sabo over 1396 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:46.399 to the Monday night Raw audience. 1397 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:54.239 There has this so sucked without a c one. Paul 1398 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.000 right now, New York. 1399 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:10.680 Wow, I don't remember this at all. I don't, I don't. 1400 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.640 There's the original task song. This this version on YouTube 1401 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:15.199 retain the original audio. 1402 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:16.960 There he is. 1403 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:20.760 I remember him coming out of Romby Like this feels different. 1404 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:25.840 So what are these guys allowed in here for you 1405 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.159 know what I mean, it's dangerous. 1406 01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.079 I feel like I feel like I might have missed 1407 01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.079 most of this show for some reason, and I only 1408 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.800 caught the very end left to do this one day. 1409 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:39.079 See the big ad right there? 1410 01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:40.159 Ye? 1411 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:45.479 Did they even do these graphics? 1412 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:47.840 Like? Yeah? They put those on ya? 1413 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:48.680 Wow. 1414 01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:55.960 Yeah, Paul had a lot of leverage to negotiate little 1415 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:59.279 touches like that. I mean, the fact that they're at 1416 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:01.640 the fucking Manhattan Center is beautiful. 1417 01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:04.479 It is Monday night, wall and. 1418 01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:07.560 Put on Cherry Lawler. He was the one that invited them. Remember, Yeah, 1419 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:09.760 they're on their best behavior tonight. 1420 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:10.520 Huh. 1421 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:13.159 I passed with it. Hey, all sudden the snap there 1422 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:14.640 on Blakey rip Wreck Drop Down. 1423 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:17.279 Championship roughly right here? Huh, this is what you're gonna 1424 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.039 try to sell out a pay per view. This is 1425 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:20.399 exactly what we're gonna sell on. 1426 01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:23.560 Hey, maybe you'd like to get in the ring. 1427 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.359 I'd show him your fine amateur credentials. 1428 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.520 So slow he probably buys an ant farm for a 1429 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:32.119 second round. 1430 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.239 Let me tell you, some colleague guy that he does 1431 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.479 have some amateur credentials, but it's not necessarily with wrestling. 1432 01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:42.399 That is the most her is that right? That go, 1433 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.920 That is exactly right. The most ridiculous thing I've. 1434 01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:47.000 Ever I mean, was the thing they fit the raw 1435 01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:50.439 logo there, like the raw stand up thing is so stupid. 1436 01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.039 Why don't you send some of the bands on fire. 1437 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.399 Rich Erry Law with the fans on fire with. 1438 01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:58.800 A bet repped in barbed wire, because we rather do 1439 01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:10.800 that enter operage my task, Ima, you don't have called that. 1440 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.880 He calls him, mister McMahon. He calls him, mister McMahon. 1441 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:16.880 You can come on my TV show if you want, 1442 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.600 but you have to call me mister McMahon. That's the 1443 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.720 only he worries about. Only deal point he cares about. 1444 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.960 Exactly light the building on fire. Here we go, Tiger 1445 01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:30.159 released task plas, fuck my life. Look at you folded 1446 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:37.000 him Undertaker. Let's bring in the fucking oh they really 1447 01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:40.520 believe the d c W guys right holding the right attention. 1448 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.199 We do have to push our own storylines and programming, 1449 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.479 you know, Paul, we have our own prerogatives. Mister Haymond. 1450 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:50.119 You know, I'm not sure if you're aware, but we 1451 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.239 have our own storylines going on in the w E 1452 01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:55.359 and uh, you know, we do have to give ample 1453 01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:59.119 time to our own full time, equal time, ample time 1454 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.439 to our you know, our own creations. 1455 01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:05.880 Was Undertaker fuk was the main event of the show. 1456 01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:14.199 Mister, can you please take as much time as you need. 1457 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:19.319 Thank you very much for joining us. 1458 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.640 Thank you very much for joining us on Taker. 1459 01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:26.399 Mister. 1460 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:29.640 Here we go. 1461 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.319 Everyone's standing, they see Saboo is looking around like, what 1462 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:33.960 the hell is going on? 1463 01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:36.000 We have seen a lot. 1464 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:38.880 Remember they head to have wrestlers hold the R in place. 1465 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:47.039 Look there he is watching. Oh my god, tree down 1466 01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.279 and you can't. 1467 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:50.319 Suicidal? 1468 01:15:53.359 --> 01:16:03.880 What an embarrassment and can't even over the top. And 1469 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.560 I'll tell you fucking. 1470 01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:08.279 That's some uh. 1471 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:13.199 What do you call it? Some goosebumps there, some uh 1472 01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.800 some national TV uh uh. 1473 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:18.840 Nervousness. 1474 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:21.479 Jesus. 1475 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:26.840 Okay, well, can you explained to me what kind of 1476 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.920 maneuver that is? Thank you? Provide me with a dictionary 1477 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:32.520 of the E c W maneuvers. 1478 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:40.159 Fantastic. It's carrying a cocky. 1479 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:54.359 Cheeriter Mickey, Sorry, beg your party read on your death. 1480 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.600 Oh that guy, Oh my god, that guy. You're in 1481 01:16:58.640 --> 01:16:59.760 the world direction. 1482 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.600 I beg dad, take an accept. 1483 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.720 It says you need to watch the tape Scruce Ptria, 1484 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:08.079 I got a bottle. 1485 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:11.000 Going to be a prize. 1486 01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:17.199 I got socks hatter than coming up next arise huge. 1487 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:28.920 That was the legend of doom. Yeah wow, task bounces. 1488 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.960 Having thoroughly underwhelmed on a national television That was a disaster. 1489 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:35.239 What a what a? 1490 01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:38.319 I mean the moment, like everything was going great until 1491 01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:40.439 Sabu fucked up and then it's just a disaster. 1492 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:42.319 Hits the nightmare straight down. 1493 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:44.359 And you know, there were a lot of things like 1494 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:47.800 when he'd get to raw even in six, like he 1495 01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:50.760 fuck up like dives and I don't know, I don't. 1496 01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:53.000 I remember that for that, I remember that. 1497 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:55.239 Yeah, I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. 1498 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:56.680 It's it was. 1499 01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:57.319 It's weird. 1500 01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.399 I feel like it seems like I don't or note, 1501 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:04.560 but it seems like having that much of an audience 1502 01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:08.359 got to his head. Yeah, and he wasn't able to 1503 01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:12.000 do what he like, he just couldn't. He couldn't get 1504 01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:14.680 past it, like his nerves, his nerves took over and 1505 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:16.119 he couldn't handle it. 1506 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:16.399 Well. 1507 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.840 Something we'll talk about later even is like he was 1508 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.239 very quick to say I can do it like Sight 1509 01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:24.600 Unseen without actually gaming it out like he was just 1510 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:26.840 so eager to please in a way like that if 1511 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:28.760 they came up with the dives, he totally can reach that, 1512 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:30.600 I can make that. And then when he gets there, 1513 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.479 he realizes it's not as easy as he told himself 1514 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:35.399 because he was so comfortable being able to deliver on 1515 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:38.840 anything he would conceptualize in the ECW setting. But here, 1516 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:40.439 you know, the key issue is we're going to get 1517 01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:42.560 to was that that R was just not steady to 1518 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.399 launch off of. Fortunately for him, they didn't have the 1519 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:47.279 best angle on it. But it's interesting the way he 1520 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.239 tells the story to his book Saboo, that is, he 1521 01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:51.439 kind of makes it seem like there were supposed to 1522 01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:53.000 be a lot more that was supposed to happen there, 1523 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:55.720 which I don't know now that I just watched it. 1524 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.479 It doesn't seem like it went anything but according to plan. 1525 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:01.520 After he crashes out, he makes it seem like because 1526 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.039 he fell that what would have been a more intense 1527 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:06.079 angle to build a pay per view never took place. 1528 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:08.119 But he gets up and entangles himself with. 1529 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:09.199 My you know, to take my. 1530 01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:15.039 I mean, but but but but Taz fucks that up. 1531 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:19.119 He yes, the suplex fails to launch my key onto Sabu. 1532 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:21.960 But here is a Sabou in his book. I was 1533 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:23.800 booked for a run in during the Taz versus Mikey 1534 01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.319 Ripbreck match where I fucking fell. People still bust my 1535 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:28.279 balls about that slip as being a major botch to 1536 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.239 this very day. During the match, I prepared for my 1537 01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.439 aerial jump off the r and the raw logo, three 1538 01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:35.039 painted wooden letters positioned above the entry away. The plan 1539 01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:36.680 was just at the right time. I would climb up 1540 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:38.119 on the top of the logo and jump down off 1541 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.359 of the letters onto some Team TAZ members who were 1542 01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:42.640 a bunch of extras wearing Tas colors. That's another thing 1543 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:45.560 they didn't get over in commentary at all that Taz's boy, 1544 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:48.159 so to speak, his training, his trainees were there in 1545 01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.520 the aisleway. It just seemed like, why is Sabo jumping 1546 01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:54.159 off this letter? It's well right if he's trying to 1547 01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:54.720 get to task. 1548 01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:56.920 I didn't know what the hell was going on. I 1549 01:19:57.039 --> 01:19:59.039 was like, who are these clowns? I mean, are they 1550 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:01.479 supposed to be there. I didn't know that that Taz 1551 01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:05.000 had cronies. Things didn't go quite as planned. Sabou writes. 1552 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.680 What happened was before the show, I checked out the 1553 01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:08.840 letters by eyeballing where they were positioned. I told the 1554 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.520 production crew that I would just need a ladder behind 1555 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.239 the letter R and everything would be just fine. So 1556 01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:13.760 when that time of the night came for the spot, 1557 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:15.640 the ladder was right there waiting for me. Little did 1558 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:17.520 I know that it was a cheaply made piece of shit. 1559 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:19.399 As I test climbed up the ladder behind the R 1560 01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:21.159 a little early, I rested my hands on the prop 1561 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.640 and the whole thing fucking moved. I figured i'd leap 1562 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:25.800 frog over the letter. That was a possibility, but only 1563 01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:28.079 not only would it look les impressive than jumping off 1564 01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:29.680 of it, but it was possible that I wouldn't even 1565 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.600 clear the aisle. I quickly enlisted the help of the 1566 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:34.359 Dudleys backstage to both hold the ladder and stabilize the 1567 01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:36.399 letter for my jump. When my Q finally came, I 1568 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:38.039 raced to the top of the logo without a problem, 1569 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:40.439 but it just wouldn't stay stable no matter how hard 1570 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:42.319 they held it in place. When I got to the 1571 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:44.640 top and sprung off of it, it moved under my 1572 01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:47.319 feet and fell behind me. Didn't fall but I get 1573 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:49.560 your point. It went straight down off the R. I 1574 01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:52.520 went straight down off the r, barely touching anyone. My 1575 01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:54.560 positioning was all off, and the people below who were 1576 01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:56.560 there to break my fall were not in the right place. 1577 01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.399 I barely brushed one or two members of Team Taz. 1578 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:01.359 On one camera it looked good for a second, but 1579 01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:03.239 on the other one it looked even worse than the 1580 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.199 Sandman trying to wrestle. It was obvious I barely hit 1581 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:07.920 one guy, and the rest of them didn't know what 1582 01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:10.600 to do, so they all fell like dominos with nobody 1583 01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:13.159 there for me. The drop also knocked the fucking wind 1584 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:14.840 out of me. I was supposed to run to the 1585 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.920 ring for a face off to tease our pay per view. See, 1586 01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.720 I don't believe that because he went he went right 1587 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:21.560 into position for that spot to take the pump. I 1588 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:24.560 don't I don't know where that face off would have happened. 1589 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.399 Maybe Mikey falling on him hurt him and not the 1590 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:28.520 fall because he got right up. 1591 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:30.319 Yeah, I don't know. 1592 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:31.920 I don't doubt the wind was knocked out of him, 1593 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:34.199 but it didn't stop him from It's like he laid 1594 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:34.920 in the aisle way. 1595 01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:38.239 Right useless, right he didn't. I mean, yeah, he he 1596 01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:40.840 dove and it looked awful, but he got right up 1597 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.359 and moved to position like I don't know what. I 1598 01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:45.199 don't know what else he could have wanted. 1599 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.439 So it's so tough about these wrestling books and such 1600 01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:49.560 a rich thing for Rich Vaine, for us doing the 1601 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.039 show the way we do it is it's like, fifty 1602 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:53.720 percent of the time you read this the way they 1603 01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:55.760 characterized things, you go watch the tape and it's like, 1604 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.159 no fucking way, no way, is that what happened? 1605 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:00.880 Think about I mean, you know, Steve Austin is the 1606 01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:05.239 fucking worst culport of them all, totally, you know, absolutely 1607 01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:08.439 it's weird, Yes, but I couldn't even breathe, he says. 1608 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:10.600 I jogged to jump into the ring, but I was 1609 01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:12.720 all blowing up and it was a big mess. Taz 1610 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:14.279 thought it was the funniest shit in the world. It 1611 01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:16.520 was shitty, I know, but I tried. So that's that. 1612 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:19.880 So, uh, we get to barely legal now. Of course, 1613 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:23.399 having done this already in the archives, what we're gonna 1614 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:26.000 do is just look at a highlight portion because it 1615 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:27.920 is such a big match in tass career and sure, 1616 01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:32.520 it does get you know it is about Taz. Yeah, 1617 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:35.680 that's true to Uh did I say tax his career? 1618 01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:37.600 Sorry? 1619 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:42.960 Fine, But what we'll do is, in addition to watching 1620 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:45.600 just a quick highlight of their match to get reacquainted 1621 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.079 with how it actually played out, We're going to resurface 1622 01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:50.600 in the form of relapsed, our Barely Legal and our 1623 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:53.199 Born to Be Wired coverage as part of the saboot 1624 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:55.319 tribute bring it to the top of the feet because 1625 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:57.239 we did the especially Barely Legal. We did that show 1626 01:22:57.319 --> 01:22:59.199 so long ago. I'm sure there are people that just 1627 01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:01.279 don't have that the tolerance to go that far down 1628 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:03.119 into the catalog to find the shows. 1629 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:03.840 Yea. 1630 01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:06.239 And for whatever reason, Google is not always our friend 1631 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:08.119 in terms of like, if you just google Lapsed fan 1632 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:11.159 Barely Legal, you won't always get the right episode. 1633 01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:14.199 It won't always come up. It's very true, very true. 1634 01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.199 Someone will post on x like, hey, you guys should 1635 01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:17.720 do the show. We've already done it. I'm like, oh shit, 1636 01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:18.279 I'll just find it. 1637 01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:22.520 Takes forever when someone when someone tried it's funny because 1638 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.319 someone said to do the Born to Be Wired and 1639 01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:28.560 I said, okay, right, and so I went to go 1640 01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:30.039 Google I said, well, I want to give them the 1641 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:31.199 links so they know that we did it and they 1642 01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:33.760 can go listen to it. And it's like I went 1643 01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:37.239 Born to be White and and it doesn't come up 1644 01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:39.479 right well, part two comes up, and I'm like, well, 1645 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:43.800 what a part I do? I do laps fan Born 1646 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:45.439 to be Wired? You see, To'll be Born be Wired? 1647 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.039 Part one doesn't. Part two comes up again, It's like 1648 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.199 I can't get part one, Like what the fuck? So 1649 01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:54.239 I understand the frustration my own fucking show. 1650 01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:55.680 Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get white. So 1651 01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:58.159 even you know, it didn't used to be. Google used 1652 01:23:58.159 --> 01:23:58.920 to be a lot better about it. 1653 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:02.399 But now so we'll do that. And you know what, 1654 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.319 and I don't have even necessarily blame Google because I 1655 01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:07.359 I eventually said, okay, well I'll just go to Spreaker 1656 01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:08.640 and I'll do the same thing. 1657 01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:11.079 It would not come up right away. 1658 01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:13.439 I had to go. I had to go and sift 1659 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:18.640 through oh you mean surging. Searching within speaker was no better, 1660 01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:22.760 very bizarre. We have just done too many episodes, you know. 1661 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:24.359 Well, that's that's true. 1662 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.479 So this is available on YouTube again, you know, listen, 1663 01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.000 it's our fault. I understand we we were just not 1664 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.399 good enough. This is what happens when you're a college 1665 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:34.479 podcast and you're not a professional one. 1666 01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:38.479 The spirit of TLFX let me let me yeah, full disclosure. 1667 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:41.760 We understand that everything we've ever, we ever have and 1668 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:44.800 ever will complain about is our fault. Okay, we absolutely 1669 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:47.279 and we move forward from there. And that's and we 1670 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:49.680 begin pointing fingers just like every other person walking the 1671 01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:54.399 face of the earth, those about saying it's our fault. Okay, yes, yes, anyway, 1672 01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:58.920 so we're gonna watch a quick compendium of the matches. 1673 01:24:58.960 --> 01:24:59.079 Here. 1674 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:02.239 Did you get the link? I have a two one play? 1675 01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:11.439 What what the hell are you doing? 1676 01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:12.199 This is? 1677 01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:14.159 I don't know. It says nothing to do. 1678 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:24.760 With the match, It's it's like, wow, wow, there it 1679 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:28.520 is the big face off Taz in Saboo mid ring, 1680 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:29.359 barely legal. 1681 01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:32.039 This is in highlight. Film is aired on the future, 1682 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:33.920 I think towards the end of the day before I 1683 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:34.760 turned sixteen. 1684 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:45.680 Really yeah, They stand there till the crowd reaches the fever. 1685 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:49.800 Pitch yep, Taz, motionless, Saboo pacing, Wow, slap across the 1686 01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:52.520 face of Saboo. The fires back with the right Taz 1687 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:56.560 barely budgets smacks him right and here we go like 1688 01:25:56.720 --> 01:26:02.319 underneath Taz runs, I'm over the close. Did say that 1689 01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.239 fucked him up? Said he was out in his feet 1690 01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:07.159 for a little while or a little match. Taz would 1691 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:08.119 throw that clothes line with. 1692 01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:10.359 Little regard. 1693 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:14.439 Sadly with the dropkick kicks out the leg that a 1694 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:21.079 work springboard lake Larry had in a seated Taz. What's 1695 01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:22.560 his arms all taped up? 1696 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:23.119 What's up with that? 1697 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:25.279 I don't know. I don't know. 1698 01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:27.279 It's covering some of the old F MW scars, but 1699 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:31.800 I don't think it's Wow. Whoa I supposed kick what's 1700 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:32.319 Tazz out of. 1701 01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:34.960 The front row? Fucking dump dumped them over the great 1702 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:36.279 like it was a fucking royal rumble. 1703 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:38.479 Yeah, you can see the bloody nose where sadly got 1704 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.520 fucked up from that clothesline, sadly. 1705 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:42.880 Not feeding a chair under the ring. Tas is still 1706 01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:51.319 in the front row. Mister idio, is your idiot? Look 1707 01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:51.680 at them? 1708 01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:58.199 Yep. Just imagine if he slipped. 1709 01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:00.279 Lash for he's gonna do it again this during the 1710 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:03.880 match triple jump, I think he missed hit the hit 1711 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:07.800 the rail. A great job catching that one and then 1712 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:09.319 Taz sup like this is him another the front row 1713 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:20.680 belly to belly overhead, so much better lit than they 1714 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:21.159 did the pay. 1715 01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:21.760 Per view from here. 1716 01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:26.000 Yep oh, no table was bridged between the apron and 1717 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.119 the rail. Saboo tried to spin DDT Taz off the apron, 1718 01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:31.600 throw it, Taz hold on. I remember that spot for 1719 01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:36.239 some reason. I remember that spot. Yeah, Taz goes crack. 1720 01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:39.119 Saboo goes crashing through the table, having failed to pull 1721 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:42.640 down Taz with him. Well, fonzo, what I level with? 1722 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:53.119 Saboo cut up, flash forwards, Taz on the top super 1723 01:27:53.359 --> 01:28:00.199 her conorando by Sabo snaps him off cover hope see 1724 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:01.600 I was going for those covers. 1725 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:04.920 Many legs stream. 1726 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:11.720 They was so novel to see the arena lit like this, Yes, wow, 1727 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.239 ring with that guiotine like over half the ring. 1728 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.079 That's unbelievable. When the head and arm Taz plex dump 1729 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:19.399 Sabo on his fucking. 1730 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:21.720 Head, Jesus God Almighty. 1731 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:26.760 Saba tries to stand and collapses. Flash forward, Sabo throws 1732 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:35.119 a t bone soup lex Sabage trying to mock the 1733 01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:37.960 arms folded and didn't wow. Taz is right behind him. 1734 01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:40.520 They were just that clothesline ducked. 1735 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:52.479 There we go. Now Taz breaks free bell at the bat. 1736 01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:55.640 Oh nice, Jesus got those. 1737 01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:57.479 Guys, man, they did so much for Taz, taking those 1738 01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.800 bumps on their head like that. They made him look 1739 01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:00.760 like such a killer. 1740 01:29:01.039 --> 01:29:01.960 Yep, yep. 1741 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:03.960 Can we just throw that out. 1742 01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:16.119 Head t bone score Jesus God, what a mess up? 1743 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:20.840 Who is looking at the tagger taste scarred right, a scarred, 1744 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:26.439 brutalized man. It has been habited and now. 1745 01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.600 The limp carcass of Saboo and trapped in the tas 1746 01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:32.760 mission afraid eye level. 1747 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:37.520 He did possible. 1748 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:44.720 Arm drops once, arm drops twice, had a third time. 1749 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:50.560 That's it, that's it. WOS wins in the long awaited 1750 01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:58.319 Showdown e c w's first pay per view, can. 1751 01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:12.840 Home King King kid Hang wow, look at that. Let 1752 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:18.199 he know Saboo a schnas on Terry brunk correct. 1753 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.840 Nottical personnel hits the ring some one of the ones 1754 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:31.920 that came to his knocked out ass when RVD hit 1755 01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:33.479 him with that split leg, and then after the match, 1756 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.239 respect rest has his hand. 1757 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:39.600 I'm like unlike r VD. 1758 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:52.319 Right, that's the way it should be, and an embrace 1759 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:56.680 barely legally was such a perfect name for this show. Yeah, 1760 01:30:57.079 --> 01:31:00.479 Proud doesn't like the hug, though they're booing it every day. 1761 01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:04.680 It's the ringing to Tek Taz from sab In Vandam's 1762 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:07.680 face for doing that. Taz holds open van dam but 1763 01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:11.079 look at that Sabo pops Taz instead. 1764 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.800 Eben, Vandam and Sabu form an alliance to stomp Tazz's 1765 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:20.000 ass in. The crowd loves that shit. They're like UFC crowds. 1766 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:21.760 They don't want the beef to be squashed. You know, 1767 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:25.439 he's too good when they hated each other. And damn, 1768 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:29.039 look at the cheesus jump down his leg drops. I'm 1769 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:31.119 feeling his fucking hips. 1770 01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:34.479 He just launched a mister Monday Night character like teasing 1771 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:36.439 ECW fans, and he's gonna be the next guy to jump. 1772 01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:38.079 And there was negotiations. 1773 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.159 Part of the reason he wasn't a more important part 1774 01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:43.359 of the first pay per view for ECWS because they 1775 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:44.000 thought he was leaving. 1776 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:49.119 My god, waunches himself through a table, the Taz on 1777 01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:49.800 it on the floor. 1778 01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:52.119 What the fuck? 1779 01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.079 Hal fonzas in their face trying to fight him. Oh 1780 01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:57.520 my god, look at him, takes off his shirt to 1781 01:31:57.640 --> 01:32:03.199 reveal the Sabo T shirt and Bill Alfonso turned on 1782 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:07.720 taz At Barely Legal and joined up with Sabo and 1783 01:32:07.880 --> 01:32:11.800 now I'll do it for that and now uh Sabu 1784 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:15.319 has a mouthpiece finally, finally something yeah to talk for 1785 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:17.079 him now that he's sent to the turned heel on 1786 01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:20.239 sab pardon me on ye. That was a big show, 1787 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:21.640 big occasion for them. 1788 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:22.119 Now. 1789 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.119 Sure coming off of that, we saw flash Funk, didn't 1790 01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:27.680 we We saw, yes, the guy who was about to 1791 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:29.600 go over to New York to become flash Funk. Little 1792 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.560 did he know that he wasn't leaving ECW behind by 1793 01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:37.680 due to an interest in continuing this whole thing through 1794 01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:41.479 potentially Summer Slam In nineteen ninety seven, the ECW guys 1795 01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:45.359 would return to Raw just around the time. This is 1796 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:47.760 after it become Raw is war so right? And I 1797 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.119 remember they the next time we saw them, we had 1798 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.680 the big metal metal stage and everything, and it was 1799 01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:55.640 time to build their second pay per view, which was 1800 01:32:56.399 --> 01:32:59.680 Hardcore Heaven in August. In August of ninety seven, it 1801 01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:03.520 would come the week after the infamous Terry Funk Sabou 1802 01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:07.079 barbed Wire match where Sabu wins the ECW Championship and 1803 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:09.239 then he goes to the Hardcore Heaven Show and loses 1804 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:11.359 it to I think Shane Douglass in a three way dance. 1805 01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:16.119 So time to build to this again. ECW has a 1806 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:18.359 deal here where when it comes time to promote their 1807 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:19.840 own pay per views, they're apparently going to get some 1808 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.439 airtime on Raw. Now how that's going to play out 1809 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:24.800 and how prominently they will be featured would come to 1810 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:27.119 be the subject of some negotiation. It's not like every 1811 01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:29.239 time Paul has a show to plug they're going to 1812 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.720 do a takeover Raw like they did at the Manhattan Center. 1813 01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:36.800 Of course, you know they're going to we got a segment, Pal, 1814 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:38.640 we're glad to help. But we're glad. 1815 01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:40.479 I'm glad and give you a little bit of airtime, 1816 01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:43.159 no doubt about it. But we can't just have your 1817 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:46.560 take over you knowing, what does that do for our talent? 1818 01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:49.359 You know here, I'm doing you a favor, but what 1819 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:52.399 are you doing for me exactly? 1820 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:56.399 You know what, Pal, You're not gonna get anything. And 1821 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:58.840 that's eventually what this would come to. So this is 1822 01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:01.199 like the second bite at this Apple where instead of 1823 01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:04.359 it being another ECW takeover Raw, they didn't angle where 1824 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.960 like Lawler went face to face with Sanman. I remember 1825 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:08.520 they did like a debate and they had like a 1826 01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:11.800 big WWF podium in the ring, and Paul Hayman and 1827 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:13.199 Jerry Lawler had a debate. 1828 01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:15.640 What do we do a debate? Right? What do we 1829 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:16.279 have a debate? 1830 01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:18.479 Gimmick? Just what we're missing a debate? 1831 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:21.920 I think we have two men in the middle of 1832 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.520 the ring, and they can they can, they can bring 1833 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:27.680 forth facts and things of that nature, and I believe 1834 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:31.239 that would be that would suffice and allow the different 1835 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:36.600 sides of the of the argument to allow uh, you know, 1836 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:40.039 a a a determining situation. 1837 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:44.000 Determining situation, right, not a predetermining situation that would be 1838 01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:46.359 very against character. But now instead of you know, a 1839 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:48.760 takeover raw, they get one segment on raw. And you 1840 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:50.880 can bet that there's a ton of negotiation about who 1841 01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:53.319 these ECW guys are going to wrestle, and God forbid 1842 01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:54.960 if their ECW guys are going to be allowed to 1843 01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:58.760 go over WWF talent. This is now starting to become difficult, 1844 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:01.119 and uh Saboo found himself caught in all this. 1845 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:02.079 I so remember this. 1846 01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:04.720 I remember thinking that Saba was Actually, I don't. 1847 01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:07.640 I just don't think that, you know, in in the 1848 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:10.359 realm of the w WEE, I just don't think that 1849 01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:12.680 we can put somebody over Flash Funk. 1850 01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:12.960 At this time. 1851 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:15.920 He's too important to the company. Power, he's you know, 1852 01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:18.800 we're he's he's on his way. You know, we're we're 1853 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:22.920 talking a big push megapus. Flash in the Pan here world, no, no, no, no, 1854 01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:25.840 Flash in the Funk Pan, all right. You know we're 1855 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:30.880 talking mainstream, all right. You know, I believe that we 1856 01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:35.000 have a future world champion. We're talking about, you know, uh, 1857 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:39.199 Flash Funk versus Brett Hart WRESTLINGNY of Fourteen's you. 1858 01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:41.880 Said Flash in the Funk Pan, right, I think that 1859 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:42.680 should be a shirt. 1860 01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:45.880 That should be a shirt because because he was a 1861 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:48.000 Flash in the Pan, he was a Flash in the 1862 01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:48.560 Funk Pan. 1863 01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:55.119 I was so excited. This was summer of ninety seven, 1864 01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:57.439 June twenty third. I was so excited thinking that, like 1865 01:35:58.079 --> 01:35:59.800 the ECW guys are going to be on raw like 1866 01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:03.199 every week, because it's only gotten more desperate as it 1867 01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:06.520 regards trying to counter WCW. By this point in the 1868 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:08.319 summer of ninety seven, they were on their ass. 1869 01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:11.680 Oh my god, I was. I was already. It's funny, 1870 01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:15.520 any I was certainly all about an invasion. I wanted 1871 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:17.640 them to have something, but by this point it was 1872 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:20.840 the Heart Foundation was already there, and I was all set. 1873 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:23.319 I didn't need any ECW bullshit. I was ready for that. 1874 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:24.800 I was ready for Steve Austin. I was. 1875 01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:25.920 I was. 1876 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:28.520 I couldn't have cared less about ECW. 1877 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:32.199 It's it's interesting because you know, you weren't watching. You 1878 01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:34.319 weren't reading anything on the internet about wrestling at the. 1879 01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:34.720 Time, were you. 1880 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:37.840 No, No, I just had magazines. I didn't I didn't read, 1881 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:44.000 I didn't understand. I don't think in I you know, 1882 01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:46.520 in in the summer of I didn't have email. I 1883 01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:48.760 didn't have done yeah yet a lot of people didn't. 1884 01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:52.600 I just had gotten in ninety six. So the reason 1885 01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:56.000 I ask is because, you know, it's fascinating to me 1886 01:36:56.079 --> 01:37:00.520 people watching this legendary nineteen ninety seven WWF stuff without 1887 01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.800 the context of them trying desperately to find something that 1888 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:08.079 would show signs of life vs. V Nitro's ratings dominance. 1889 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:10.640 I'm sure as a fan, you realize that WCW was 1890 01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:14.640 red hot. You knew the nWo angle was hot. Yes, yes, 1891 01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:17.439 but I'll tell you it didn't have the sense before 1892 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:21.399 like I did. Yeah, no, because because you know what 1893 01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:25.640 the by this point, the rings, the ring ropes were 1894 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:26.479 all read right. 1895 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:27.720 Uh. 1896 01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:31.439 The Brett Hart thing was in full gear. Steve Austin 1897 01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:36.880 was was just the greatest thing I'd seen absolutely in 1898 01:37:36.960 --> 01:37:40.880 wrestling for such a long time. Things were unpredictable that 1899 01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:46.920 I I've said it before. In my mind, WWE had 1900 01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:52.680 was now back on top already. I would did no 1901 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:56.800 fucking ideas of your personal interest. Yeah, and terms my interest, 1902 01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.520 I was not afraid anymore of WCW of it. 1903 01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:02.319 I was, and I and so in my mind the. 1904 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:06.119 Earliest right there, you you saw the sign, you saw 1905 01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:07.960 the raw material of what would turn the company around. 1906 01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.239 I was just as I was just as entertained by 1907 01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:13.079 this television as you were. But with this constant overhang 1908 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:16.319 of they just can't do anything to put a dent 1909 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:18.520 in ww's ratings because I was reading about it every 1910 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:22.079 week online. Yeah sure, Well, without that context, it's fascinating 1911 01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:24.920 to me, like that you would see very clearly that 1912 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:27.319 actually this is the stuff that's going to work over time, 1913 01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:29.399 Like this is the suggest that has the spark. 1914 01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:34.039 The you know, the it just everything everything felt so 1915 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:39.119 fresh for the first time in in we that you know, 1916 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:44.319 between between the fall of ninety six and this point 1917 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:48.960 summer of ninety seven, everything just felt so fresh and 1918 01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:51.760 in a weird way for me, even fresher than the 1919 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:56.520 and wo thing like it just everything just felt and 1920 01:38:56.680 --> 01:38:59.520 maybe because it might have been because I wanted WWW 1921 01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:04.479 to become like this, to become so much more, you know, 1922 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:09.000 to have moments where you know, for example, like what 1923 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.520 we did with Sid the Brett Hart would lose the 1924 01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:13.640 championship twenty four hours after winning it. 1925 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:18.600 That would never have happened, but it happened. That's exciting. 1926 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:23.520 Then to have to not have the Royal Rumble winner 1927 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:26.079 be in the main event at WrestleManias for the first time, 1928 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:28.720 that was exciting. It was like, wait a minute, like 1929 01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:32.079 things are just I mean, obviously I know now that 1930 01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:36.199 it was chaos behind the scenes, but it just felt 1931 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:40.560 like there was an unpredictability that was driving things and 1932 01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:43.039 it was it was it was wild and so it 1933 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:46.640 was I was yeah, I again, I had no idea 1934 01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:49.960 about ratings. I had no idea about the numbers or whatever. 1935 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:55.520 And throwing the mentalities of the of of Bischoff or 1936 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:58.640 Vince McMahon. But to me, it was like the game 1937 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:01.119 had already changed, like WW was way better again. 1938 01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:03.920 Fascinating, and so they must have. So they must be 1939 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:04.760 winning the ratings. 1940 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:07.439 If they're if they're better, if they have better television 1941 01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:10.680 and television that I'm enjoying, they must be winning the ratings. 1942 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:12.760 Yeah, yeah, and it would be it's there. 1943 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.279 The pieces are there, they just didn't click yet until 1944 01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:17.960 Vince got in the ring, you know, yeah, like, oh 1945 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:22.119 my god. But fitting squarely into this chaos you just 1946 01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:24.760 talked about was some of these ECW guys that were 1947 01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:27.680 invited to Raw this year is June twenty third, nineteen 1948 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.760 ninety seven. And the guy we just saw exit States 1949 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:32.359 left in the ECW arena in November is now in 1950 01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.520 the ring with Saboo on Raw. My god, can't shake 1951 01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:36.079 these guys. 1952 01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:36.880 No. 1953 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:38.039 Three two one play. 1954 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:47.720 So this is called poly dangerously the most suicidal, the 1955 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:50.359 most hommic title athlete. 1956 01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:52.880 Not just on I don't know if it's a good thing. 1957 01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:58.800 Championship, say the Lord of the Hardcore and self taboo. 1958 01:40:58.920 --> 01:40:59.920 The Lord of the Hardcore. 1959 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:07.359 All right, Vin says, you will do move Sabo, look 1960 01:41:07.399 --> 01:41:10.279 at this walk in the Raw ramp. That's I don't 1961 01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:14.399 remember this not at all. The summer was a little 1962 01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:18.359 bit harder for me this that year, because that's what 1963 01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:21.399 that's what's always had the enigma, the kind of the 1964 01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:24.680 thing about the magic of the of the summer of 1965 01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:27.680 ninety seven with WWE has always been because I couldn't 1966 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:31.880 watch Raw, the full episodes of Raw like I normally would, 1967 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:35.479 because I was so busy that summer, right, so I'd 1968 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:38.560 usually catch the last like twenty minutes. 1969 01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:43.479 Half hour tops of Raw. So Paul came bearing clips. 1970 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:50.560 He's gonna highlight package of doing aerial assaults. Yeah, there 1971 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:50.760 it is. 1972 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:53.119 He just called out the first magic in stays and 1973 01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:57.840 stand corrected Jesus insulting of the crowd, crowds people watching 1974 01:41:58.039 --> 01:41:59.920 Raw back then, Like what the fuck is this guy? 1975 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:01.319 You know what is this ship? 1976 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:03.600 Oh God, that was awful that. 1977 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:08.640 His body's so scarred. This man has paid a price, 1978 01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:17.960 paid the price. Wow brows channing for Saboo. Yeah, Flash Funk, 1979 01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:21.640 Flash funk, flash funks partner. 1980 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:25.760 Question watch them like Lariot springboard off a mitter rope 1981 01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:28.880 from Sabo, spin wheel Kick puts Funk on the floor. 1982 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:31.640 These two have worked together extensively, so it's good parents 1983 01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:34.039 any spot slide kicks Funk in the face. 1984 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:35.439 Yeah, before. 1985 01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:39.640 I know, there's the summers dive to the floor. 1986 01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:42.600 Wow, it's so funny now knowing that he had done 1987 01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:45.279 that on a raw dark match already Againstcott Tyler. 1988 01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:45.960 Yeah. 1989 01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:49.600 The grabbing a table. Here we go table into the ring. 1990 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:57.600 What's going on here? I don't understand tables? Public enemy. 1991 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:01.159 It's okay to up in the public are now because there. 1992 01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:01.560 W W. 1993 01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:05.000 And on. 1994 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:19.880 Table personally guarantee you sab. 1995 01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:16.840 From E c W. 1996 01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:19.640 Here we are live. 1997 01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:24.479 Although in Michigan no less rotating top up splash by Funk. 1998 01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:27.119 Thanks Bombay Michigan's Yeah. 1999 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:30.920 Right later on the Undertaker teaming up with the man 2000 01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:31.840 they called great. 2001 01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:35.159 Let's square off again the new Nation of Domination. 2002 01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:38.600 Oh a great deal more coming out right now? 2003 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:42.600 See right there, Undertaker Invader teaming up. 2004 01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:44.439 Yeah, what's that? No, I don't remember that? 2005 01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:45.039 Top up? 2006 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.600 Who are a Superana? By Sabo? That was a good one. 2007 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:48.199 How's with it? 2008 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:53.399 Man cover by Sabo gets too. He was ready, but 2009 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:56.239 they weren't ready for him, No, never, because they had 2010 01:43:56.279 --> 01:43:59.159 to earn shape like a segment of the show around 2011 01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:01.399 him and gonna. Neither company was willing. 2012 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:03.600 To do that with a man that he knows will 2013 01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:04.760 take it to the extreme. 2014 01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:06.199 Here's another look at it. 2015 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:10.640 You know Bill Alfano was to referee for you. 2016 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:11.439 For a long time. 2017 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:18.159 We adopted him. Oh yes, that's hilarious. Sab missus a 2018 01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:20.199 spring board and gets super kicked. 2019 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:24.039 He's very proud of it. Don't you didn't want to 2020 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:24.359 drop you? 2021 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:26.079 All right? 2022 01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:29.039 Do your do your thing there, flash. 2023 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:35.159 Saboo is the original six nephew man. 2024 01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:38.319 Look at that, tries to climb, Saboo tries to climb 2025 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:40.439 with him, gets crouched on the top and clothes lined off. 2026 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:41.279 Wow. 2027 01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:47.399 Almost like a doomsday device using the ropes. Yeah, sad. 2028 01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:50.800 He recovers on the apron Funk ready and Alonso and 2029 01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:57.279 spring backflip kick, flash funk and martial arts kick and 2030 01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:05.720 then the Pascado channing c W and Flash Funk doesn't move. 2031 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:06.439 Turn it off. 2032 01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:10.680 You want to turn it up, And you're saying, man. 2033 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:11.960 To the extreme. 2034 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:16.880 You're skiing tonight, backing up fellow funds always Flash. 2035 01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:22.920 Funk competitor, and you're welcome bringing a fire. Wow, tonight, 2036 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:23.359 that was a. 2037 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:28.720 Drop kick right to the knee, right to the by 2038 01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:29.560 a Saboo. 2039 01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:30.199 Good move. 2040 01:45:31.359 --> 01:45:34.840 I'll say so far, it's a It's definitely a better 2041 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:41.359 performance by Saboo. He's fitting in better than you'd expect. 2042 01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:44.840 Yes to the style that slam Funk's gonna do that 2043 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:48.439 that backflip leg drop I was God, yeah, just a 2044 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:51.000 straight moon Salt starcross the wrist. 2045 01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:54.119 Oh my god, look at it. He's like he hit. 2046 01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:57.439 You can see he's like shaking his wrists to count. 2047 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.560 Look at Saboo. He got he got hurt over the world. 2048 01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.000 We're bringing out a whole news platform for you tonight. 2049 01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:07.119 Do you understand what the world kid for you? 2050 01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:08.760 Wow? 2051 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.079 Good they are. Make sure you're telling them what you 2052 01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:15.880 can do for sitting right wh nice. Look at that 2053 01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.880 sab with the sling shot rona. This is this is 2054 01:46:20.119 --> 01:46:22.600 It's too bad he didn't perform this clean on the 2055 01:46:22.680 --> 01:46:38.279 fucking the Manhattan Center Show. I know things. Gott the 2056 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:43.119 ham with ther W Performers Defense All Entertainment. Saba is 2057 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:45.439 on the apron. Here we go, there we go, Simon Salt, 2058 01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:48.319 what doesn't break? Call for the bell and then he 2059 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.079 doesn't break? Oh my god, he's gonna do it again. 2060 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:56.439 This is Saba's life story. Man, Yeah, yeah, get it again. 2061 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:00.279 Oh Ship, he says, I'm gonna do it again. I 2062 01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:00.760 can kill you. 2063 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:04.600 We don't have pre cut tables like elsewhere, and just 2064 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:08.960 climb the brokeret like drop wearing his fucking face the table. 2065 01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:11.279 I still remember that one in his fucking face. 2066 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:22.319 We're too extreme for Monday nights, I heard us. 2067 01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:24.279 But he's gotta go nuts because the table didn't break. 2068 01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:28.840 So he's in the crowd throwing ship. Vince's pissed. All right, 2069 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.159 Well now let's let's move on. 2070 01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:32.439 Let's move on. 2071 01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:37.119 We had other things to worry about here. I don't 2072 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:39.840 know I agree to this. I don't agree with this 2073 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:44.399 format of entertainment. We will have a more proper entertaining 2074 01:47:44.520 --> 01:47:47.119 facility within the next five minutes. 2075 01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:59.239 Agree with this format of entertainment, so to the book. 2076 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:02.199 After the ECW Invasion show in February on Raw, a 2077 01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:04.680 number of w B stars made appearances in ECW shows. 2078 01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:07.800 The biggest storyline there became Hayman versus Lawler, but didn't last. 2079 01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.640 Ego clashed about who would win and lose, and backstage 2080 01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:13.399 agendas didn't drive. In the end, the arrangement between the 2081 01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:16.359 two companies started to fall apart. Before the w W 2082 01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:20.079 E ECW relationship dwindled altogether, Jerry Lawler decided to invade. 2083 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:23.680 That's right now, forget Jerry Lawler. Lights went out, they 2084 01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:26.840 came back on. Lawler was in the arena. People went 2085 01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:30.680 so nuts for that, and Cornette too, and he hit 2086 01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:34.239 Tommy Dreamer say. He didn't say anything. He was just 2087 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:37.439 like another New York surprise in the arena, like people 2088 01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:39.800 never expected to see him because he was he was also. 2089 01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:42.039 Oh Cornett, I see Cornett made an appearance. 2090 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:44.840 So it was like a two way invasion that was 2091 01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:47.680 going on. It wasn't just you know, Saboo and RVD 2092 01:48:47.760 --> 01:48:49.439 showing up on Raw, but it was Jerry Lawler and 2093 01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:53.159 Jim Cornette showing up in ECW two. He said, ECW 2094 01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:56.000 store for extremely crappy wrestling and basically discardcore wrestling, right 2095 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:58.039 at their home base. Fans never expected him to show 2096 01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:01.479 up there, and they practically rioted. They didn't riot, they 2097 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:03.520 loved it. That was the thing about ECW fans. They 2098 01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:05.680 would talk shit about you when you worked for the 2099 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:07.760 Big two all day, but the second you grace their 2100 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:09.840 curtain of course they went nuts. 2101 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:13.000 Of course they needed that they needed and listen, listen, 2102 01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:17.199 ECW fans needed to feel relevant. 2103 01:49:17.319 --> 01:49:19.039 You know who we saw that with most they needed 2104 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.479 to feel seen telling Lee was Sid. Remember when we 2105 01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:24.359 did Sid's ECW run. Yes, Yes, it was like wow. 2106 01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:27.439 They that was like the prototypical guy they hated in 2107 01:49:27.520 --> 01:49:29.640 the Big two And when he came to e CW man, 2108 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:32.399 they went fucking nuts for him and let him. They 2109 01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:34.680 went nuts for him, squashing all their guys too, like 2110 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:37.720 not even giving anybody a lick of credibility along the way. 2111 01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:40.479 Fans never expect them to show up there, and they 2112 01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:42.880 practically rioted. Essentially, he was saying that everything to do 2113 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.279 with ECW was shitty. This building should really be built 2114 01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:47.359 out of toilet paper, he said. Lawler was set to 2115 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:49.239 headline a number of main event matches, including ones with 2116 01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:52.359 Rob and Me at ECW's heat Wave in Hardcore Heaven 2117 01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:55.319 Wow in June twenty third, nineteenninety seven at a raw taping, 2118 01:49:55.359 --> 01:49:57.319 I was wrestling Flash Funk two Cold Scorpio on a 2119 01:49:57.359 --> 01:49:59.319 match that ended outside them ringing a double count out. 2120 01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:01.239 After the match, I went to put Flashfunk through a table, 2121 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:03.079 but the table didn't break. I don't know why, but 2122 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:05.039 I knew I needed to do something to save the spot, 2123 01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:06.600 so I default on a trick that I had done 2124 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:08.640 a number of times when this had happened in the past. 2125 01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:11.359 I went crazy and jumped into the crowd. I started 2126 01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:13.479 pushing people out of their seats and throwing chairs into 2127 01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:16.199 the ring at too cold. The agents immediately followed my 2128 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:18.479 lead and sent security out to take me away. Dirt 2129 01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:20.479 sheets like the Torch and the Observer all reported at 2130 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:22.720 the Monday Night Rod taping on June twenty third, ninety seven, 2131 01:50:22.840 --> 01:50:25.840 quote Rob Dan Dam and Sabu weren't happy with what 2132 01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:28.359 WWF Creative had booked for them. I mean, this is 2133 01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:30.880 mostly true, but some of it was also Paul not 2134 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:33.319 wanting his brand to look weak yet, because once this happened, 2135 01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:35.680 they wouldn't be considered a threat any longer. He wanted 2136 01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:38.159 me to beat Flash Funk clean, and he also didn't 2137 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:41.279 like the idea of RVD putting over Jesse James Armstrong 2138 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:43.720 aka road Dog. I don't think this matching ended up 2139 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:45.239 even happening, but that was I remember that was a 2140 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:47.520 big one, like we'll help you promote your pay per 2141 01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.000 view but RVD has to lose to fucking road Dog. 2142 01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:52.560 Think about where road Dog was in nineteen ninety seven. 2143 01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:55.720 What a joke, And that's like off my Baby tonight. 2144 01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:00.800 That's before the New Age Outlaws. Oh it's horrible. That's 2145 01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:03.439 clearly them trying to fuck with them. The idea behind 2146 01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:05.199 that was our top guys shouldn't come in and lose 2147 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:07.439 to one of WWF's midcard guys who was mostly losing 2148 01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:09.279 all of his matches at that time. Made tense to me. 2149 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.039 If all had worked out correctly, the plan was to 2150 01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:14.760 have an ECW match on Raw each week that would 2151 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:18.840 build up to a headline ECW versus WWF match at SummerSlam. 2152 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:21.640 If that would have been fair, that probably would have 2153 01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:24.720 gotten my attention totally. That's clearly what they're building here. 2154 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:26.199 Think about that. 2155 01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:30.279 Think about the show where you know Brett Wressel's Taker 2156 01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:33.920 where Austin Wressell's Owen. If they had an ECW verus 2157 01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:37.960 WWF match the card, yep. The talk was that TMECW 2158 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:40.640 would be Tommy Dreamer and Sandman taking on WWF, Jerry 2159 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:43.920 Lawler aligning himself with the ECW turncoat Rob Van dam 2160 01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:45.920 So in this whole thing. Boss Rob van Dam was 2161 01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:48.640 to literally become mister Monday Night. He was to become 2162 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.760 a WWF guy Wow. In return, ECW would get plugs 2163 01:51:52.760 --> 01:51:54.680 in for our second pay per view, Hardcore Heaven. However, 2164 01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:57.640 politics and egos eventually broke down the relationship that Flash 2165 01:51:57.680 --> 01:51:59.840 Funk Match was among the last of the ECW and 2166 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:03.079 Asian that WWF fans would see on raw. By July nineteenth, 2167 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.720 nineteen ninety seven, ECW rant an experimental eye pay per view. 2168 01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:06.199 I remember that. 2169 01:52:06.319 --> 01:52:08.199 I remember trying to watch it on my computer with 2170 01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:11.920 real video player and nineteen seven dial up internet. 2171 01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:14.279 Wow, I don't remember this at all. 2172 01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:17.159 Dog shit was terrible. You could not, at least my 2173 01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:19.840 internet speed was nowhere close to being able to watch 2174 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:23.560 anything more than the frame would change every like seventeen seconds. Okay, 2175 01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:27.399 one still image and then you'd hear audio, very tiny, 2176 01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:30.159 distant audio, and then it would change like once. 2177 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:32.920 It was fucking terrible. Yeah, but they were trying. 2178 01:52:35.479 --> 01:52:37.640 We were pretty much off of WWF programming, but Paul 2179 01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:39.760 was still finishing up some of the initial storylines from 2180 01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:42.199 the invasion angle. It was RVD, myself and Jerry Lawler 2181 01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:45.000 versus Tommy Dreamer Sandman and Rick Rudn a steel cage. 2182 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:45.880 No, it absolutely was not. 2183 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.760 I don't know what the fuck Rick Rudnes steel cage 2184 01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:52.560 really maybe? I don't think so, though, I'd be a 2185 01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:54.119 weird thing to put in the book if it didn't happen, 2186 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:56.159 because a lot of this is Katy Casanova just adding 2187 01:52:56.600 --> 01:53:00.239 stuff that the wrestler doesn't even remember. I remember that, 2188 01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:02.159 but it turned. I got turned onto it. I was 2189 01:53:02.239 --> 01:53:04.239 like into it, probably because I was because, like I said, 2190 01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:06.560 I didn't have access TCW weekly television back then. I 2191 01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:08.319 couldn't buy their pay per views back then, but I 2192 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:10.680 knew enough to know that I could seek out this 2193 01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:14.039 I pay per view, probably because you know, the WWF 2194 01:53:14.119 --> 01:53:16.439 Invasion angle had caught my attention thoroughly. That was that 2195 01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:18.479 was Yeah, there was a lot of promise there that 2196 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:20.439 could have went in a lot of different directions, but 2197 01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:23.600 it was so minimal that nobody remembers it. But that 2198 01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:26.239 could have been really big for Saboo, especially when you 2199 01:53:26.319 --> 01:53:28.880 consider how desperate WWF was in nineteen ninety seven to 2200 01:53:28.920 --> 01:53:31.119 put something on TV that w do you know what 2201 01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:32.760 I mean? That would drive balls away from Nitro and 2202 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:35.520 seemed totally different. I mean, they had Saboo and let 2203 01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:38.720 him go, but Nitro did. But my god, they could 2204 01:53:38.720 --> 01:53:40.239 have done some stuff. He could have just been like 2205 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:42.279 a thing. Every week he just breaks a table. People 2206 01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:45.800 were fucking nuts for that. People have gone nuts for that. 2207 01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:48.439 I mean Woul Dudley's ended up coming to WWF and 2208 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:51.840 doing yep yep. It worked beautifully through throughout two thousand. 2209 01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:53.199 It was one of the key parts of RAW was 2210 01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:55.920 the Dudley's putting somebody through a table. I would love 2211 01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:58.000 to have seen what to happen. Imagine him feuding with Cactus. 2212 01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:02.319 We didn't talk about those matches, but those were so 2213 01:54:02.439 --> 01:54:05.159 key to the early ECW buzz because before Sabu came 2214 01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:07.920 along with this reputation, of course, Cactus Jack had built 2215 01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:10.159 up a reputation like this on indies where he was 2216 01:54:10.199 --> 01:54:13.359 going on doing these crazy stunts after his WCW run, 2217 01:54:13.640 --> 01:54:15.119 trying to get noticed and of course coming into the 2218 01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:18.119 initial version of ECW, and so the idea of Cactus 2219 01:54:18.199 --> 01:54:21.840 versus this indie sensation, this violent indie sensation Saboo had 2220 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:25.560 really captivated hardcore fans imagination. So when they finally delivered 2221 01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:27.439 on it in ECW, it was one of those matches 2222 01:54:27.479 --> 01:54:29.560 where like, you know, it was called a classic before 2223 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:30.239 it was a classic. 2224 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:32.399 You know how that goes yep, oh, that's dangerous. 2225 01:54:32.439 --> 01:54:34.039 So it did under deliver in that regard, even though 2226 01:54:34.039 --> 01:54:35.880 they went all out and tried to do as many 2227 01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:37.399 crazy things as they could think of in the match. 2228 01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:40.880 It doesn't really go down as his matches with Sabo 2229 01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:44.560 aren't really remembered as particularly legendary because the promise didn't 2230 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:46.880 quite meet the moment. They never had a match that 2231 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:49.359 was like, you know, beautifully built up with a crescendo. 2232 01:54:49.800 --> 01:54:54.000 ECW was still not quite focused in terms of what 2233 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:57.840 it was as a company yet, sure, So so yeah, 2234 01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:00.399 it doesn't really it doesn't really strike me that match 2235 01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:02.039 that two had would really rise to the level of 2236 01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:03.960 you got to watch it for tribute show. But they're 2237 01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:06.359 out there and worth considering because they were very They 2238 01:55:06.399 --> 01:55:09.119 were very significant in terms of what they represented about 2239 01:55:09.119 --> 01:55:11.640 where the business was when they happened. So Born to 2240 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:15.359 Be Wired happens in the same summer that we're watching here, 2241 01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:17.119 just a month after that flash Funk match on Monday 2242 01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:19.920 Night Raw, ahead of the pay per view that they 2243 01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:21.760 were on that edition of Monday Night Rot or promote 2244 01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:26.279 hardcore heaven. Sabo does what it takes. Sabu does what 2245 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:31.079 it takes. He mutilates himself. He flies with the air 2246 01:55:31.159 --> 01:55:34.319 Saboo into the barbed wire strands and one of the 2247 01:55:34.359 --> 01:55:37.920 strands rips his bicep open during the course of the match, 2248 01:55:38.119 --> 01:55:39.800 and we've talked about it and have talked about it 2249 01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:41.600 on the Born to Be Wired episode which we will 2250 01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:44.199 resurface for you. We talked about it during the Lapsed 2251 01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:46.920 Funk as well, which is also an exercise in we've 2252 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.239 talked about it before, but it included a lot more 2253 01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:51.800 color in our episode of Lapsed Funk about the Saboo 2254 01:55:51.840 --> 01:55:56.520 stuff from Funk's perspective than we had when we first 2255 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:58.159 did the show, so you want to check that out 2256 01:55:58.159 --> 01:56:00.279 as well. These two had had a match just all 2257 01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:03.000 the way back to when God Jim Crockett Junior was 2258 01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:05.640 trying to do something on an independent basis in nineteen 2259 01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:07.239 ninety four. He was trying to get a group together 2260 01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:09.439 and he did a television taping in New York and 2261 01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:11.680 he put Terry Funk and Sabou on the television taping. 2262 01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:13.600 We watched the match during the Lapsed Funk. It was 2263 01:56:13.640 --> 01:56:16.319 a fucking crazy remembers like in a hotel ballroom, there's 2264 01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:20.199 like right carpeting their fucking tearing tables up and so weird. 2265 01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:24.239 And Funk is again always in pursuit of something that 2266 01:56:24.279 --> 01:56:26.920 could hook the wrestling fans and keep wrestlers paid without 2267 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.600 having to kiss the Big two's ass. And this kind 2268 01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:33.319 of style that Sabu was popularizing across the US indie 2269 01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:36.760 scene was sure to catch Terry Funk's attention, especially considering 2270 01:56:37.239 --> 01:56:40.359 his history with the Sheik and really how the Sheikh's 2271 01:56:40.359 --> 01:56:43.000 first introt you know, out of Detroit territory was the 2272 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:45.359 Funk's territory in West Texas going all the way back 2273 01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:48.039 to the Amarilla days they had a connection with the 2274 01:56:48.119 --> 01:56:50.039 Chic and then of course following through when the Sheik 2275 01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:52.159 was one of the top feign superstars in al Japan 2276 01:56:52.199 --> 01:56:55.039 Pro Wrestling, when Terry and Dorriyfunk had the book underneath 2277 01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:59.800 Johybaba booking American talent in Algapan during its late seventies 2278 01:56:59.840 --> 01:57:02.239 e the eighties heyday teams like the Chikhan Abdullah, the 2279 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:03.880 Butcher and Brews of Brody and the Sheik and all 2280 01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:08.079 those guys intermingling in a series of various classics often 2281 01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:11.279 involving the Funks, so a very close kinship. Even if 2282 01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:13.439 you watch I Like to Hurt People. I think the 2283 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:15.840 film you know about the Sheik's Peak, or at least 2284 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:18.600 taking place during the Sheik's Peak and Detroit Wrestling. The 2285 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:21.880 Funks are coming through. They're there in the next cutting 2286 01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:25.399 promos and sort of repaying the favor going up to 2287 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:29.399 Detroit to boost houses and and honestly the dying days 2288 01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:32.199 of the Sheik's big time wrestling outfit in Detroit. But 2289 01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:34.920 here Terry Funk talks in one of the shoot interviews 2290 01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:37.439 he did about getting to know Sabo and getting to 2291 01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:39.680 work with Saboo in and around the time of Born 2292 01:57:39.720 --> 01:57:40.279 to Be Wired. 2293 01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:42.600 What were your initial parts of the Saboo when you 2294 01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:46.279 first started wrestling on the first saw me He's w I. 2295 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:49.039 Still think he's one of the best talents in the business. Yeah, 2296 01:57:49.119 --> 01:57:51.800 I think he's very misunderstood by people. I think he's 2297 01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:55.239 a I think he's got a great heart. He's got 2298 01:57:55.279 --> 01:57:58.159 a heart that again is there's a guy with compassion, 2299 01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:02.800 great and for for the boys that he's you know 2300 01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:06.880 that he's into business with uh for the business itself 2301 01:58:08.039 --> 01:58:11.600 and and he's misunderstood because they think, oh, well, he's 2302 01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:13.439 a he's a weirdo. 2303 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:15.000 He's this, he's that, He's an innovator. 2304 01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:18.239 Yeah, you know, yeah, so. 2305 01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:19.880 Much was innovated by Saba. 2306 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:24.359 You know, we never saw this stuff before. 2307 01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:28.119 I'm not sure the Mexicans ever saw it. I don't 2308 01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:31.000 think anybody saw the stuff that he was doing in 2309 01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:34.960 the ring to start out with. You know, yeah, do 2310 01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:38.960 you really loved wrestling him too? Yeah, loved to get 2311 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:39.920 in the ring with Saba. 2312 01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:40.960 Yeah. 2313 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:44.000 One of the favorite people that I like to wrestle with. Really, 2314 01:58:44.039 --> 01:58:47.359 one of your favorite opponents, yeah, yeah, uh human cactus. 2315 01:58:47.840 --> 01:58:48.720 Yeah uh. 2316 01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:51.880 They have no concern for They just have concern for 2317 01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:53.119 the match, not their bodies. 2318 01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:56.439 You know, I don't know how smart that is. 2319 01:58:58.840 --> 01:59:02.039 You know, every match is if it's their last match. 2320 01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:05.840 Every match is different too, Yeah, every match is. 2321 01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:08.119 I mean, if I got officials every one, last one, 2322 01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:10.560 that's okay, But yeah, I have a good one next. 2323 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:10.840 One, you know. 2324 01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:12.520 Yeah. 2325 01:59:12.600 --> 01:59:14.880 So came to have a great degree of respect for Sabo, 2326 01:59:15.039 --> 01:59:17.439 and you know, would be one of his key advocates 2327 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:19.399 in terms of getting the ear of some of the 2328 01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:22.520 power brokers in WCWWWF two locker rooms. Of course, that 2329 01:59:22.600 --> 01:59:25.960 Terry Funk would work during the Attitude era, and it 2330 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:28.119 actually comes to a kind of a sad end because 2331 01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:30.039 he would be one of the key advocates to get 2332 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:32.840 Saboo a contract that would allow him to actually make 2333 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:34.520 the kind of money that at the very beginning of 2334 01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:36.880 the Sabu Tribute we played that clip of Paul Hayman 2335 01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:39.399 talking about Saboo being the one guy from the ECW 2336 01:59:39.600 --> 01:59:42.039 days who deserved to be able to retire comfortably or 2337 01:59:42.039 --> 01:59:44.319 at least be able to earn big time money based 2338 01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:46.520 on what he had done and the contributions he had made, 2339 01:59:46.560 --> 01:59:49.880 who never did and it came close to getting it 2340 01:59:50.039 --> 01:59:52.560 with Terry Funk as his advocate in WCW in two thousand, 2341 01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:56.000 but it would be another kind of sad and underwhelming 2342 01:59:56.760 --> 02:00:00.479 and a series of unfortunate events for one Saboo that 2343 02:00:00.520 --> 02:00:03.359 would box him out of that kind of a payday 2344 02:00:03.399 --> 02:00:05.640 as well, So we'll get to that. Of course, another 2345 02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:09.880 opponent that really characterized Saboo's run in the Attitude era 2346 02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:12.800 over in the CW side was the Sandman. These two 2347 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:18.159 had some fucking incredibly wild, violent and high risk high 2348 02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:18.880 wire affairs. 2349 02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:19.960 Yeah, and that was. 2350 02:00:20.359 --> 02:00:22.039 Look when I when I brought that tape of November 2351 02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:23.880 to Remember ninety seven in my friend's house, it was 2352 02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.720 Sabo versus Sandman on that show that I thought, okay, 2353 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:31.119 would would make them understand why wrestling what's exciting? Nope, 2354 02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:34.760 And here's Sandman on the Busted Open radio show talking 2355 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:37.920 about the loss of Saboo and just another person saying 2356 02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:39.359 how much you meant to his career. 2357 02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:41.199 You guys know how it is. 2358 02:00:41.319 --> 02:00:43.560 It's like you can be friends with somebody in the 2359 02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:46.920 locker room, but once you start having a program with them, 2360 02:00:47.199 --> 02:00:49.840 then things change a little bit, and they should change. 2361 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:52.239 Either it's gonna go bad. Most of the time it 2362 02:00:52.319 --> 02:00:55.319 goes really really good. So the more you work with 2363 02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:59.359 somebody to me, especially, you know, we're not doing like 2364 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:02.560 rest and stuff like that. Dude, we're doing Triple Joe 2365 02:01:02.680 --> 02:01:06.079 mod salts your tables and stuff. You're doing shit that 2366 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:07.880 you can get really hurt out there. 2367 02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:12.079 Doing sam to me, when when I know I could 2368 02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:13.279 try to do with. 2369 02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:18.039 Anything that we're doing out there that will obviously make 2370 02:01:18.119 --> 02:01:21.880 me gravitate towards your soul. And I knew that Saboo 2371 02:01:22.239 --> 02:01:26.000 cared about like he's doing like this this crazy stuff 2372 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:28.640 that nobody else is doing, but he certainly knew what 2373 02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:31.800 he was doing every second out there. The dude never 2374 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:35.319 hurt me ever except the first bunchet in any match, 2375 02:01:35.680 --> 02:01:38.520 I was just a call or nobody was dictating to me. 2376 02:01:39.359 --> 02:01:43.399 But with me and Saboo, we never had to go 2377 02:01:43.600 --> 02:01:46.159 out there like you know, like an AW match. How 2378 02:01:46.199 --> 02:01:49.239 many things is an AW six man remembering right now 2379 02:01:49.520 --> 02:01:51.399 one hundred and fifty things that go on in the 2380 02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:54.600 ring in a twenty minute match said, we went out 2381 02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:57.640 there with like three four ideas of what we want 2382 02:01:57.720 --> 02:01:59.119 to do, you know. 2383 02:01:59.079 --> 02:01:59.479 What I mean. 2384 02:01:59.600 --> 02:02:02.359 It didn't have to be tackle, dropped down, hip toss, 2385 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:04.600 you know what I'm saying. Just go out there and 2386 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:07.000 your flow and you feel it. I've only had the 2387 02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:11.039 same other thing with a Cactus was the only other 2388 02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:13.239 guy that I felt like that. 2389 02:02:13.359 --> 02:02:14.600 I just went to the ring with it. 2390 02:02:14.680 --> 02:02:18.119 It was just poetry that it was. It could be 2391 02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:23.079 that great and that easy. It could be that great 2392 02:02:23.399 --> 02:02:25.880 and just that freaking easy. 2393 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:30.359 It's it's so much different of going to the ring 2394 02:02:31.079 --> 02:02:36.279 and knowing that whatever happens, nothing can turn out bad 2395 02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:40.960 of it. Besides the injuries, you're not getting lost nobody's 2396 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:43.760 gonna end up looking stupid. Hey, you guys might know 2397 02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:46.000 you screwed up, but nobody in that damn morning it's 2398 02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:48.239 just gonna know you screwed up, and that just gives 2399 02:02:48.239 --> 02:02:51.560 you more. You're just so confident when you go out 2400 02:02:51.600 --> 02:02:54.279 there with somebody, Sabo, you just do. I used to 2401 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:55.880 tell him all the time, I'm like, dude, let's go 2402 02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:59.840 steal this fucking show. And he could so easy with 2403 02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:02.680 that guy Magic and that dude. Oh and I al 2404 02:03:02.680 --> 02:03:06.960 still texted him last night too. I texted his phone 2405 02:03:07.119 --> 02:03:10.279 because I don't know, I feel like I wanted it 2406 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:12.039 just to talk to him, you know. 2407 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:15.159 And it's stupid, you know what I mean? But I 2408 02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:15.880 wanted to say. 2409 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:18.720 Goodbye on text him on his phone because I believe 2410 02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:21.600 there's an after life after this guys. I really believed 2411 02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:23.720 they were all going to see each other again in 2412 02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:26.239 a big steel cage match in the freaking. 2413 02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:28.760 Sky, you know, thought Staboo. 2414 02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:31.560 I love you, dude, I had so much fun to 2415 02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:32.159 ring with you. 2416 02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:34.159 Thank you for being my friend. 2417 02:03:35.279 --> 02:03:38.159 November to remember ninety seven, it is let's revisit the 2418 02:03:38.279 --> 02:03:41.279 match I thought would make people respect my wrestling fandom. 2419 02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:44.680 And did he opposite a lot of November remembers Man, 2420 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:46.560 that was a key event for sa. 2421 02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:49.880 That was that was the big show, wasn't that I remember? 2422 02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:54.239 I feel like I remember November, remember Stember whatever the 2423 02:03:54.279 --> 02:03:54.720 fuck was? 2424 02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:56.680 Yeah, it was, it was big. 2425 02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:00.600 It ended up being, you know, the day Sabu came 2426 02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:04.479 back after the fuck Saboo thing. It was the a 2427 02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:06.359 year later, the night that the lights went out when 2428 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:08.399 they came back on. Sabo and Tazz are in the ring, 2429 02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:10.680 and here it's the night that he has one of 2430 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:13.640 his signature matches against the Sandman. Now part of the 2431 02:04:13.680 --> 02:04:16.800 reason that Sandman might remember, uh and just when you 2432 02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:19.399 pull it up, boss, it's one thirty forty five on 2433 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:23.560 Peacock for those that want to watch along five. Part 2434 02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:26.039 of the reason Sandman remembered going so smoothly and so 2435 02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:28.359 effortlessly and felt like they could do no wrong against 2436 02:04:28.399 --> 02:04:30.439 Sabou because I'll have to disagree with them while we 2437 02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:32.640 watched these matches that people didn't know when they screwed up, 2438 02:04:32.680 --> 02:04:35.720 because it was the risks they took in their matches. 2439 02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:39.600 There was plenty of miscues and the fucking catastrophes, no question, 2440 02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:42.840 but the reason Sandman might not have been able to appreciate. 2441 02:04:42.920 --> 02:04:45.399 That is because apparently some of the things Sabo was 2442 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:47.279 said in interviews over the years was that Sandman was 2443 02:04:47.840 --> 02:04:49.720 at least in one match that they had in ECW 2444 02:04:49.960 --> 02:04:53.800 on acid. Okay, oh my god, really, so that's fine. 2445 02:04:54.319 --> 02:04:56.520 Sabu once told Sean Oliver quote, of course, there was 2446 02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:58.920 acid floating around the dressing room. He took a double dose. 2447 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:00.760 He thought he was seeing gods z in the ring. 2448 02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:04.439 Oh my god, kept going here, lizard, lizard, lizard. He 2449 02:05:04.600 --> 02:05:06.279 was talking to me. He thought he was fighting a 2450 02:05:06.359 --> 02:05:08.399 monster and I was just trying to stay alive. He 2451 02:05:08.520 --> 02:05:13.760 was tripping big time. So this is something to keep 2452 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:16.399 in mind. It's hard to nail down exactly what match 2453 02:05:16.479 --> 02:05:18.880 Sabu may have been talking about, and there probably is 2454 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:21.199 more than one. Sandman has been asked about this and 2455 02:05:21.279 --> 02:05:22.279 kind of doesn't really remember it. 2456 02:05:22.399 --> 02:05:22.920 Laughs it off. 2457 02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:25.359 Doesn't deny that he was high all the time during matches, 2458 02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:28.199 but or at least often enough during matches that it 2459 02:05:28.199 --> 02:05:30.560 could be any number of ones. But the lizard thing 2460 02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:35.920 is he told this to James from Niro recently on 2461 02:05:36.119 --> 02:05:39.479 the Wrestling Shot Interviews YouTube channel. The lizard thing is 2462 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:41.479 not him thinking he sees a lizard. Although that's a 2463 02:05:41.479 --> 02:05:45.079 funny interpretation of what Sabu said it was. Do you 2464 02:05:45.079 --> 02:05:49.680 remember the Taco Bell Chihuahua commercials from the nineties, of course, 2465 02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:51.880 remember that one where they were trying to promote the 2466 02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:54.199 Godzilla movie and he was going here, lizard, lizard, and 2467 02:05:54.199 --> 02:05:56.600 he was trying to he was trying to coax he 2468 02:05:56.720 --> 02:06:00.960 was trying to coax Godzilla out of the Tokyo Skyline 2469 02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:04.199 to come to a free taco trying to get vaguely 2470 02:06:04.399 --> 02:06:06.119 remember that, that's what it was. It was just like, 2471 02:06:07.079 --> 02:06:08.920 just like you know, when commercials take off like that 2472 02:06:09.039 --> 02:06:11.800 in pop culture, people just reference them in conversation and 2473 02:06:11.880 --> 02:06:14.920 apparently have something Sandman would do during the course of 2474 02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:17.159 his program with Saboo and ECW in this thing. So 2475 02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:19.479 I don't think he thought he was a lizard, but 2476 02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:22.239 he was probably acting extra goofy if he was feeling 2477 02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:25.520 all loose. But yeah, just it just you know, you 2478 02:06:25.560 --> 02:06:27.199 can imagine. You just have to hear that once that 2479 02:06:27.319 --> 02:06:30.079 Sandman was on acid during a Sabo match, and then 2480 02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:33.520 it just you're never gonna forget. Yes, you tell me 2481 02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:35.279 if you can detect if this is indeed the one 2482 02:06:35.399 --> 02:06:38.279 one of two Sandman versus Saboo matches. We're gonna watch 2483 02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:41.319 here and again with that particular significance to me. This 2484 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:43.520 is the first ECW pay per view I was able 2485 02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:45.920 to order and order it I did enthusiastically. 2486 02:06:46.479 --> 02:06:46.920 You're to go. 2487 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:50.560 It's time for some real violence here three two one play, 2488 02:06:52.720 --> 02:06:55.880 So come Sandman to the dubbed over Peacock music. Rob 2489 02:06:55.960 --> 02:06:58.119 Van Dam was already in the ring talking shit. He 2490 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:03.479 looks like he's tripping a little bit. Yeah, And Stevie 2491 02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:05.479 Richards and Saboo in the ring as well with RVD. 2492 02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:10.800 That was a cool said Man shirt, kind of like 2493 02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:15.600 a Budweiser. Yeah right, Yeah, he looks like he's seeing things. 2494 02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:16.960 He looks like he's hallucinating that. 2495 02:07:17.520 --> 02:07:19.359 I don't know. I don't think he knows where he is. 2496 02:07:20.880 --> 02:07:22.000 I think he's a little confused. 2497 02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:25.760 One of the guy in the history of the business 2498 02:07:26.000 --> 02:07:30.159 who's been celebrated for being fucked up while performing. Yeah, 2499 02:07:30.199 --> 02:07:32.520 because they always said he was. If he wasn't drunk, 2500 02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:36.159 he just wasn't as good in the ring. That's insane. 2501 02:07:38.800 --> 02:07:40.960 But when Steve Austin taking close notes when he came 2502 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:43.159 from vc W to the beer jogging routine, that's for 2503 02:07:43.279 --> 02:07:51.439 damn short Saboo high fiving RVD in the ring, waiting 2504 02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:54.359 patient play of these two still thick as thieves after 2505 02:07:54.479 --> 02:07:57.760 the barely legal angle that you saw where they joined 2506 02:07:57.800 --> 02:07:59.760 forces behind Bill Alfonso. 2507 02:08:03.800 --> 02:08:04.319 I remember that. 2508 02:08:04.399 --> 02:08:08.279 Line from Joey Styles. It's encouraged. It's ladder use isn't banned, 2509 02:08:08.319 --> 02:08:13.039 It's encouraged. The most violent matchup in the history of 2510 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:15.880 professional wrestling. Joey Styles just promised. 2511 02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:25.680 Visa. Yeah, he's fucked up. Yeah, he doesn't listen. I agree, 2512 02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:30.479 he's he's wondering what he's doing right now breathing. His 2513 02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:34.600 breathing is like labored, you know, yes, yes, I think 2514 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:38.600 he's about to fall asleep almost, Yes, cigarette hanging out 2515 02:08:38.600 --> 02:08:41.079 of his mouth, already busted open from the beer cannons. 2516 02:08:43.279 --> 02:08:45.960 Did you ever hear about this guy back in the day. 2517 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:49.119 The name. 2518 02:08:49.880 --> 02:08:53.359 I definitely heard the name. I didn't know much about him. 2519 02:08:55.199 --> 02:09:03.159 There he's taking his hand, I imagine because of magazines. Again, 2520 02:09:03.359 --> 02:09:08.520 I was still I wasn't I wasn't buying after mags 2521 02:09:10.199 --> 02:09:14.800 or even WW magazines, but I was reading them in 2522 02:09:16.399 --> 02:09:17.520 news stands. 2523 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:22.880 Yeah, I say this every time he watch NCW showing 2524 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:26.600 Peacock his entrance just hits totally different if it's not 2525 02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:29.800 playing METALLICUS ent or Sandman, because everything he's doing is 2526 02:09:30.600 --> 02:09:32.159 to the rhythms of this song. 2527 02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:35.039 He's not doing much, but he's like waiting. He's standing 2528 02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:37.920 around waiting for the song. He hit an exit light. Whoa, 2529 02:09:38.760 --> 02:09:42.079 He climbed the ladder at ringside, lifted a beer. Sabo 2530 02:09:42.199 --> 02:09:45.159 came flying with a suicide dive, knocking him off the ladder, 2531 02:09:45.159 --> 02:09:51.039 and we're underway. Saba wearing his finest saran wrap. Seriously, 2532 02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:56.159 you'd think you'd think, though, you know, they would know 2533 02:09:56.319 --> 02:09:59.079 that enough to like say, all right, let's fucking pay 2534 02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:05.159 for the music. Yeah, seriously, I mean, I know it's 2535 02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:07.840 not cheap, but come on, it can't be that old man. Yeah, 2536 02:10:07.840 --> 02:10:08.439 he's not good. 2537 02:10:09.159 --> 02:10:10.960 He tried to load him into the ring. Yeah, sam 2538 02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:12.439 Man hit his face in the bottom rope. 2539 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:14.239 Yeah. 2540 02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:16.640 If all the things that are harmed by losing the 2541 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:19.800 licensed music, he CW shows are the number one trouble 2542 02:10:19.840 --> 02:10:23.079 Trump Moon salt Oh establishing the land on. 2543 02:10:23.119 --> 02:10:27.960 Something landed on his knee. He landed on on Sandman's knee. 2544 02:10:29.319 --> 02:10:30.880 That's something Test said. And the clip he played he 2545 02:10:30.880 --> 02:10:35.560 would sell someone else's offenses. He sell his own offense, 2546 02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:38.720 his impact on himself, Yeah, as hard as he would 2547 02:10:38.720 --> 02:10:41.840 sell his oppinion's offense on it. If he's selling the offense, great, 2548 02:10:41.960 --> 02:10:45.119 because I mean, I'll tell you if if you actually 2549 02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:47.520 feel like he actually got hurt, and people do I do, 2550 02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:50.399 which I guess is a testament if he's not actually 2551 02:10:50.399 --> 02:10:53.439 getting hurt, Right, that's something I can say that he 2552 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:57.920 is h Hell, you know, I'll go out and say 2553 02:10:57.960 --> 02:11:01.720 it if if he actually is not getting hurt, I'll 2554 02:11:01.760 --> 02:11:04.720 say of the time, and that he's selling ninety percent 2555 02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:09.640 of the time. He's a better salesman than Savage. Yeah, yeah, 2556 02:11:10.000 --> 02:11:14.119 he's convincing you. Yeah, But the thing is with him, 2557 02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:17.039 he probably is kind of getting hurt, Like, yeah, he's 2558 02:11:17.079 --> 02:11:19.880 got something to lean into, like a sensation. It's not 2559 02:11:19.960 --> 02:11:23.279 like he's inventing the pain entirely, but it's not quite 2560 02:11:23.319 --> 02:11:27.079 as bad. But again, he was he had that instinct 2561 02:11:27.159 --> 02:11:28.880 like if he's going to be taking these risks with 2562 02:11:29.000 --> 02:11:32.399 such a low probability of success, such low percentage things, 2563 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:34.720 he's got that thing in his back pocket where he 2564 02:11:34.800 --> 02:11:38.359 can just make it seem like the match called for 2565 02:11:38.479 --> 02:11:40.560 him to miss a spot and get hurt. Right here, 2566 02:11:40.760 --> 02:11:43.279 you know, or to lose his mind. 2567 02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:45.239 Sandman lands an elbow. 2568 02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:49.119 Sandman is a He's just like errantly throwing ladders around 2569 02:11:49.159 --> 02:11:57.279 without any anames while stepping up to Sabo, throwing him 2570 02:11:57.279 --> 02:12:01.720 out of the ring because they covered the fucking concrete 2571 02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:05.920 floor this time. Oh used to be covered in brown 2572 02:12:05.960 --> 02:12:06.479 paper bag. 2573 02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:07.159 But I'll take it. 2574 02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:10.720 This little tiny ladder he's got. Oh watch this, I 2575 02:12:10.800 --> 02:12:11.199 remember this. 2576 02:12:12.239 --> 02:12:12.479 Ah. 2577 02:12:12.960 --> 02:12:14.920 Jesus Christ. 2578 02:12:15.479 --> 02:12:17.720 Salmon, with a running start in the ring, leaps over 2579 02:12:17.800 --> 02:12:20.520 the ropes and launches the ladder like he's spiking a 2580 02:12:20.560 --> 02:12:23.520 football in the end zone. Almost ends up in the 2581 02:12:23.560 --> 02:12:26.520 front row, getting Sabo right in the back of the head. 2582 02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:30.880 Sabo is not even facing him to anticipate them the impact. 2583 02:12:31.359 --> 02:12:35.039 There are a couple of times, man, like one time 2584 02:12:35.079 --> 02:12:39.960 in the arena, Sandman cane Saboo so hard across the 2585 02:12:40.039 --> 02:12:42.399 face it was like it wasn't even on the top 2586 02:12:42.439 --> 02:12:43.960 of the head, you know what I mean. It's like 2587 02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:46.720 swinging a big s ball bat across someone's mouth. It 2588 02:12:46.880 --> 02:12:52.840 was vicious. Sandman could be very loose out there there, 2589 02:12:52.920 --> 02:13:00.279 Saboo out of the guardrail to go, Jesus fucking done 2590 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:02.000 looking at him. It's like someone you find on the 2591 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:07.000 lawn outside of party, oh yeah, or outside the bus 2592 02:13:07.079 --> 02:13:09.479 stop in Philly, you know, ye, tweaking on the cement. 2593 02:13:09.880 --> 02:13:12.119 I've seen a lot of people like that on the 2594 02:13:12.600 --> 02:13:14.920 streets at like two in the morning. Well, especially when 2595 02:13:14.960 --> 02:13:18.119 we went to Philly Romania. Oh god. Yeah. Well the 2596 02:13:18.199 --> 02:13:21.359 only difference is that normally they would have a steak 2597 02:13:21.399 --> 02:13:25.800 and cheese in their hand. Yeah, that's one thing. They 2598 02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:31.239 never went hungry out there. Tables and play. There's one 2599 02:13:31.319 --> 02:13:35.359 bridge across the apron in the rail one down your 2600 02:13:35.439 --> 02:13:40.520 Saboo's carcass. It's some of the Arena faithful from the 2601 02:13:40.560 --> 02:13:45.039 Howard Stern lookalike guy yep, super fan Chris whatever his 2602 02:13:45.159 --> 02:13:46.720 name is from New York. It's slam. 2603 02:13:48.279 --> 02:13:50.560 Us on the floor by the sand Man. I was 2604 02:13:50.600 --> 02:13:53.119 gonna sup plex this table. I remember this down onto 2605 02:13:53.159 --> 02:13:54.039 Sabo's carcass. 2606 02:13:54.880 --> 02:13:56.680 Oh my god, he's insane. 2607 02:13:59.159 --> 02:14:03.800 Oh table supplex, Yeah, that's what it is. 2608 02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:04.640 It's so funny. 2609 02:14:04.680 --> 02:14:06.279 Table supplex. Yeah. 2610 02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:08.680 I watched this one over and over and over again. 2611 02:14:08.720 --> 02:14:10.840 It's coming back to me as I watch it. I 2612 02:14:11.119 --> 02:14:11.920 know what's gonna happen. 2613 02:14:12.439 --> 02:14:14.399 Oh don't you love those matches? 2614 02:14:14.840 --> 02:14:17.479 Yeah, you forget how much of it, you remember, yep, 2615 02:14:19.039 --> 02:14:20.359 But I taped the ship out of this one. 2616 02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:20.560 Man. 2617 02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:22.560 I was so psyched to be able to order an 2618 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:23.520 ECW pay per view. 2619 02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:28.600 This is a war between two extreme athletes who exemplify ECW. 2620 02:14:29.359 --> 02:14:38.720 Okay, Joey, the audio is not really When Samon hit 2621 02:14:38.760 --> 02:14:43.479 those back elbows, yeah on that table, oh well, Jesus, 2622 02:14:45.600 --> 02:14:47.920 so that was strange. Sandman put Sabo on a bridge 2623 02:14:47.960 --> 02:14:50.399 table across the guard grail in Apron, slammed the back 2624 02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:52.000 of his head on the table so hard the table 2625 02:14:52.079 --> 02:14:54.840 gave right after Hayman was on ros saying we don't 2626 02:14:54.840 --> 02:14:55.800 pre cut our tables. 2627 02:14:56.359 --> 02:14:59.479 Yeah right, I mean it. That is a clean fucking break. 2628 02:15:02.159 --> 02:15:08.039 There, fu fuck him up, Sandman him there's another one 2629 02:15:08.119 --> 02:15:12.520 that's good. On the bridge table at Sandman is put 2630 02:15:12.560 --> 02:15:16.000 Sabo on top of I know he's gonna do this 2631 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:18.359 front flip from the top. 2632 02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:23.319 Oh my god, oh drop, Oh my god. He didn't 2633 02:15:23.319 --> 02:15:30.439 even fucking I mean he didn't even the table gave 2634 02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:35.880 no give whatsoever. It might not have even been there, 2635 02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:39.600 you know, like he just fell right there, tail bone 2636 02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:45.199 hitting the fucking floor. Jesus Christ, idiot. 2637 02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:48.920 And Sabo was draped so far towards the rail that 2638 02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:51.760 he barely touched his head. He's put himself at the 2639 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:54.720 table and he's back up, leaning the busted table against 2640 02:15:54.760 --> 02:16:01.119 the guardbrail. Somebody brought a bull's eye revert Sandman head 2641 02:16:01.119 --> 02:16:03.760 over heels into the table. 2642 02:16:04.239 --> 02:16:06.720 Who gets thrown upside down into the table. 2643 02:16:06.520 --> 02:16:18.319 In the steel, calling over to Phonsie, who's of course 2644 02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:23.439 accompanying Savou to side. And the show is in Pittsburgh. 2645 02:16:24.399 --> 02:16:29.880 The main event was Bigelow and uh Shane Douglas. Oh 2646 02:16:29.960 --> 02:16:38.040 my god, set the fuck down. 2647 02:16:38.079 --> 02:16:38.600 It's the chat. 2648 02:16:39.079 --> 02:16:44.360 Let's not have good uh slope seating in the building. Also, 2649 02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:48.239 now the bridge table. Sandman's on top of this one. 2650 02:16:48.280 --> 02:16:52.760 Look at that table, Hang on for dear life. It 2651 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:57.079 is bent like nothing. This is going to be a 2652 02:16:57.120 --> 02:17:00.840 triple jump splash. I think share fed to Saboo the 2653 02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:02.239 nineteen ninety seven brown chair. 2654 02:17:02.399 --> 02:17:06.520 Oh double jump, leg drop to the table, Oh and 2655 02:17:07.280 --> 02:17:10.680 hard and with the leg drop. 2656 02:17:13.799 --> 02:17:14.520 E c W. 2657 02:17:14.879 --> 02:17:23.040 E c W got it all right, fucking Alfonso, stop it. 2658 02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:25.280 Good luck with that. 2659 02:17:25.799 --> 02:17:27.799 Oh e c W. 2660 02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:30.879 May not be big enough for both the Sandman and Saboo. 2661 02:17:31.520 --> 02:17:36.360 It may not be. My god, it's like, oh my god, 2662 02:17:36.959 --> 02:17:40.600 he's he is like getting me home. He's so fucked up, 2663 02:17:40.760 --> 02:17:48.520 I gotta go home. What a mess, I know, what 2664 02:17:48.680 --> 02:17:50.920 a sloppy mess. Sandman is. 2665 02:17:54.040 --> 02:17:58.360 Back in the ring now, brawling style, brawling style injury, 2666 02:17:58.959 --> 02:17:59.799 especially to his rip. 2667 02:18:02.040 --> 02:18:04.079 Listen, he's all about the ribs. I can guarantee you 2668 02:18:04.120 --> 02:18:07.600 that it would appear that way. Oh my god, he's done. 2669 02:18:08.680 --> 02:18:09.079 Stand up. 2670 02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:11.399 Saboo tried to Irish whip Sandman in the ropes and 2671 02:18:11.479 --> 02:18:12.719 he just flailed about. 2672 02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:14.120 Up. 2673 02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:17.399 What's this thing? Is not fucked up? He's a complete mess, 2674 02:18:18.280 --> 02:18:21.559 and he's a complete ship show stand up correctly. 2675 02:18:21.639 --> 02:18:22.840 He never takes any time off. 2676 02:18:23.159 --> 02:18:27.120 Takes the buckle, Saboo to kick the way he fell, 2677 02:18:27.799 --> 02:18:32.200 he just he fell with no control whatsoever, like you 2678 02:18:32.319 --> 02:18:35.280 fell out of a building. Yea over by Sabo. Oh, 2679 02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:44.000 this Sandman was goa left the shoulder still. I bet 2680 02:18:44.079 --> 02:18:50.879 Sabo was like yelling in his ear, lift your fucking shoulder. Yeah, 2681 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:54.120 sad Man's fucking yeah. He looks like someone just took 2682 02:18:54.200 --> 02:19:04.239 like oxycon. Yeah, he's leaning, he's leaning. Just he's slow, 2683 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:09.040 you know, lethargic almost ye. Now, Sabo walks across a 2684 02:19:09.079 --> 02:19:18.040 table bridge to grab an extra tall ladder. Oh, Sandman's head. 2685 02:19:18.239 --> 02:19:25.200 Oh my not good. Salmon comes up in lunges. What 2686 02:19:25.360 --> 02:19:30.000 a fucking idiot. Fucking he just. 2687 02:19:30.120 --> 02:19:32.159 Missed, hung upside down on the ropes and then just 2688 02:19:32.319 --> 02:19:36.600 fell on the floor. Now its Sabbo is another table 2689 02:19:36.639 --> 02:19:40.920 set up on the outside in the aisleway. Basically Sandman's 2690 02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:42.920 on top of it. Sabo's getting in the ring. He's 2691 02:19:42.959 --> 02:19:47.000 grabbing the ladder and he's gonna what's he gonna do 2692 02:19:47.040 --> 02:19:50.440 with this thing? Leaned against the ropes on the floor, 2693 02:19:50.479 --> 02:19:52.399 He's climbing the top. I don't remember this at all. 2694 02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:52.840 What does he do? 2695 02:19:53.120 --> 02:19:53.840 Oh my god? 2696 02:19:53.959 --> 02:19:56.200 What the fuck that was? 2697 02:19:56.360 --> 02:20:00.879 So that's him trying to figure out what to do. Well, 2698 02:20:00.920 --> 02:20:03.239 the plane is in the air, you know what I mean? Yep, 2699 02:20:03.559 --> 02:20:05.680 he climbed over the ropes, just jumped and pushed the 2700 02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:09.559 ladder down onto Sandman's Body's just a fucking idiot ride. 2701 02:20:10.040 --> 02:20:15.159 Before they certainly, yeah, I'll look at him. 2702 02:20:16.360 --> 02:20:18.559 Honestly, he's like more like, put my head in the 2703 02:20:18.639 --> 02:20:23.520 sand man. Yeah, adding the sandman. That's what he fucking 2704 02:20:23.600 --> 02:20:24.040 seems like. 2705 02:20:25.000 --> 02:20:25.159 You know. 2706 02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:29.159 Saboo is being put on top of the table. Look 2707 02:20:29.200 --> 02:20:31.200 at the legs under that table. So dangerous. 2708 02:20:32.319 --> 02:20:36.760 Send that front flips where the industry and why at 2709 02:20:36.799 --> 02:20:39.360 this point, he has no idea what the he just did. 2710 02:20:40.840 --> 02:20:41.639 He's just like. 2711 02:20:45.440 --> 02:20:48.200 Perfect, he has no idea what the fuck he just did. 2712 02:20:48.319 --> 02:20:50.440 It's so true. He's on the ground, like, how did 2713 02:20:50.479 --> 02:20:51.040 I end up here? 2714 02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:54.479 Yeah? Exactly. It's like, you know, he thinks he's at home. 2715 02:20:55.639 --> 02:20:59.879 Only they go there, rolled back into the ring, the 2716 02:21:00.040 --> 02:21:01.920 lifeless corpse Sandman trying to figure out how to work 2717 02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:05.559 with this fucking dead man, this fucking I mean lawn orner. 2718 02:21:06.000 --> 02:21:08.319 I never thought I'd ever feel bad for Sabage. 2719 02:21:08.319 --> 02:21:10.760 Triple John Moon saw crush the Sandman on the ladder 2720 02:21:11.159 --> 02:21:18.559 triple jump Moon so covered by Sabo. Just kidd why dude, 2721 02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:25.639 just don't kick out? I know, christ, Yeah, this is 2722 02:21:25.799 --> 02:21:28.440 the match I thought about when Sandman said on the 2723 02:21:28.520 --> 02:21:30.719 interview that you know, even when we messed up, you 2724 02:21:30.760 --> 02:21:33.360 didn't know it. It's like, oh, I don't know, man, 2725 02:21:34.399 --> 02:21:37.000 match job. Look at san Man, look at him. Try 2726 02:21:37.040 --> 02:21:38.239 to passive breathalyz. Listen. 2727 02:21:38.639 --> 02:21:40.000 That is so fucking legit. 2728 02:21:40.280 --> 02:21:43.559 Like Sandman takes out one of the lights of Saboo. 2729 02:21:44.040 --> 02:21:46.959 A nice of security to set up another table there ringsay, 2730 02:21:47.639 --> 02:21:48.719 oh no, there's. 2731 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:50.440 A ladder on the mat. It's gonna super fox him 2732 02:21:50.479 --> 02:21:56.079 onto it. See this is oh fuck my life, idiot, idiot, 2733 02:21:56.719 --> 02:22:00.079 all of them hang his elbow. I think. 2734 02:22:05.760 --> 02:22:08.239 I believe boss it's the TLF tribute to Sabu Or 2735 02:22:08.280 --> 02:22:09.000 Am I mistaken? 2736 02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:11.360 Yeah no, you're not mistaken. 2737 02:22:11.600 --> 02:22:17.959 But man, oh, this matchup may wind up being simply 2738 02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:19.600 a war of attrition, right. 2739 02:22:20.440 --> 02:22:25.120 Might it might? I think it is there pal the 2740 02:22:25.680 --> 02:22:27.000 Joey Joseph Well. 2741 02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:30.399 Sandman started the match in a less than conscious state. Yeah, 2742 02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:32.879 now he's about the jumble ladder in the ring. I 2743 02:22:32.959 --> 02:22:41.159 remember this one too, Bridge table. Sand Man's trying to 2744 02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:43.159 figure out what to do with this huge ladder. Turns around, 2745 02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:44.799 Sabbath throws a mini ladder. 2746 02:22:45.120 --> 02:22:46.760 Took the smaller one right in the face. 2747 02:22:48.840 --> 02:22:51.319 I should get the styles does radio style commentary, So 2748 02:22:52.360 --> 02:22:54.559 I'm like going out of my way to describe what's happening, 2749 02:22:54.600 --> 02:22:56.000 and that's exactly how he used to do it. 2750 02:22:56.120 --> 02:23:00.600 Oh no, yeah, oh no, oh no oh no oh no. 2751 02:23:02.399 --> 02:23:07.399 Oh no. I don't know what that was supposed to be. 2752 02:23:09.520 --> 02:23:15.159 My life. I can't even describe that. I can't. Sandman 2753 02:23:15.200 --> 02:23:18.920 was supposed to do something. He just he just fell 2754 02:23:19.200 --> 02:23:21.520 like he just kind of toppled over like a child 2755 02:23:21.840 --> 02:23:24.040 to the bridge ladder that Sad was supposed to use 2756 02:23:24.079 --> 02:23:26.680 like a seesaw. Look at the cotton Sandman's hand too, 2757 02:23:27.600 --> 02:23:34.559 That right hand is bleeding, big cover. Sandman is a 2758 02:23:34.760 --> 02:23:39.520 fucking mess. Okay, he's a mess, just a completely can't 2759 02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:43.159 even stand up like just a just an idiotic child. 2760 02:23:46.399 --> 02:23:49.120 And this is the stuff he remembers so fondly, you know, Yeah, right, 2761 02:23:49.200 --> 02:23:54.040 look at him. Oh, Alfonso, knock it off. Oh Sad 2762 02:23:54.200 --> 02:23:59.120 was gonna spike just like his old uncle. Oh he's 2763 02:23:59.120 --> 02:23:59.920 stabbing Sandman. 2764 02:24:01.559 --> 02:24:03.840 Oh Jesus christis my god? 2765 02:24:04.319 --> 02:24:07.440 Why why? Oh? 2766 02:24:10.719 --> 02:24:13.719 Sadman grabs Sabo throws him. He can't stand. Oh my god, 2767 02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:18.239 I can't emphasize enough how limited Sandman's time on his 2768 02:24:18.319 --> 02:24:20.040 feet is. Oh when he throws a ladder to the 2769 02:24:20.079 --> 02:24:26.040 floor in a Sabo's head again, Oh my god, get 2770 02:24:26.079 --> 02:24:28.159 out of the way. People, Get out of the way. 2771 02:24:28.360 --> 02:24:28.680 This guy. 2772 02:24:30.280 --> 02:24:31.799 You guys need to get out of there for your 2773 02:24:31.799 --> 02:24:35.959 own safety. He's putting a ladder in the crowd. This guy, 2774 02:24:36.200 --> 02:24:40.600 this guy will kill you and he won't even know. Okay, 2775 02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:43.959 put the ladder leaning against the rail in the crowd. 2776 02:24:44.239 --> 02:24:45.840 Sabu's standing in front of it. He doesn't know what 2777 02:24:45.959 --> 02:24:48.719 Sandman's gonna do with this thing. Salman runs lap. 2778 02:24:51.799 --> 02:24:56.760 Oh my god, what a idiot, What a fucking idiot. Oh, 2779 02:24:57.520 --> 02:24:58.639 he's like, what happened? 2780 02:24:59.079 --> 02:24:59.760 What happened? 2781 02:25:00.000 --> 02:25:00.280 I don't know? 2782 02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:03.920 You tell me you did it? Crowd's kind. He leaped 2783 02:25:03.959 --> 02:25:06.399 over the ropes. It tried to gag the ladder down 2784 02:25:06.799 --> 02:25:08.760 so it would flip over the rail and hit in 2785 02:25:08.799 --> 02:25:15.600 the head, but it traveled snail's pace. No idea, what 2786 02:25:15.760 --> 02:25:24.760 a ship show. Absolutely, he's bleeding from the head to 2787 02:25:25.000 --> 02:25:26.440 he busts his head everywhere. 2788 02:25:26.479 --> 02:25:27.079 I mean, he's just a. 2789 02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:35.079 I mean, look at him, like how he's gonna go 2790 02:25:35.200 --> 02:25:38.760 up again? The ladder's on Sabo's stomach. Oh, he just 2791 02:25:38.879 --> 02:25:41.920 fucking I mean, I guess that was a Swan tong bomb, 2792 02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:47.239 but it looks like he passed out and he just fell. 2793 02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:51.200 And you didn't take that Pittsburgh Pirates fan that's got 2794 02:25:51.239 --> 02:25:53.559 paralyzed falling out of the seats exactly. 2795 02:25:54.920 --> 02:25:55.479 Look at him. 2796 02:25:57.000 --> 02:26:00.840 Oh he's how was he the one alive? And Sabo's dad, 2797 02:26:00.959 --> 02:26:08.760 I know, because he lost all that weight outside in 2798 02:26:12.319 --> 02:26:16.639 ladder is a tire body way Oh my god, on 2799 02:26:16.719 --> 02:26:22.239 that ladder. He's just one spot at a time, trying 2800 02:26:22.280 --> 02:26:24.760 to get through this thing, you know, just sitting there 2801 02:26:24.879 --> 02:26:26.879 thinking about what am I do next? He does it, 2802 02:26:26.959 --> 02:26:29.600 and then he sits there and what am I next? 2803 02:26:30.079 --> 02:26:32.000 He's like, I gotta think about what's next. Hold on, 2804 02:26:33.000 --> 02:26:40.440 I gotta think about the next spot. He's fucked up already. 2805 02:26:40.799 --> 02:26:44.959 Yeah, yeah, Bently standing in the corner. 2806 02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:54.159 And what what is this? The verse whip? 2807 02:26:54.319 --> 02:26:56.719 Sandman hits a buckle, here's their saboo landing on his 2808 02:26:56.799 --> 02:26:59.000 shoulder and turned into an electric chair drop. 2809 02:26:59.479 --> 02:27:08.200 Whatever the fuck that was? I really want to know, 2810 02:27:08.879 --> 02:27:11.680 Like what Hayman was thinking during this? She just thought 2811 02:27:11.719 --> 02:27:14.799 that someone tell Sandman to go home. 2812 02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:24.000 What's he doing now? With the blood in his shirt 2813 02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:28.000 and the hip there of his shirt? That table is 2814 02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:29.360 gonna give buddy, Oh my. 2815 02:27:29.520 --> 02:27:30.159 God, look at it. 2816 02:27:30.280 --> 02:27:32.799 It's folded like a prinkle. It looks like a brindle. 2817 02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:36.920 What's he doing? Why is he doing this? This is 2818 02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:40.719 gonna be bad. He's climbing the mini Ladder's bad. He 2819 02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:44.280 doesn't know where he is. Oh my god, he's an idiot. 2820 02:27:49.760 --> 02:27:52.000 He thinks he's in bed right now. He's going to 2821 02:27:52.040 --> 02:27:56.120 be in the hospital. Bed pretty soon. So he climbed 2822 02:27:56.120 --> 02:27:59.120 this mini ladder front, flipped off, barely cleared the ropes, 2823 02:27:59.159 --> 02:28:01.280 banged his head on the Ape Britain on the way down, 2824 02:28:01.319 --> 02:28:02.440 and put Sabo through the table. 2825 02:28:04.159 --> 02:28:07.680 He's so fucking do good do good boo. 2826 02:28:12.840 --> 02:28:14.479 Give me the eggy boot, give me the eggy if 2827 02:28:14.520 --> 02:28:21.000 you're okay, you would. We're providing the soundtrack The Sadman, 2828 02:28:21.040 --> 02:28:30.360 by the way, I got it, I got it. Ponzi's 2829 02:28:30.360 --> 02:28:31.520 on the part of the Kendow Stick. 2830 02:28:32.040 --> 02:28:34.559 Alfonso has got the Sandman Singapore King. 2831 02:28:36.239 --> 02:28:39.079 Yeah great, it's before w W named it, renamed it 2832 02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:43.079 the Kendow Stick. That's right, it was Singapore game. Remember 2833 02:28:43.120 --> 02:28:45.760 that American canna. 2834 02:28:44.959 --> 02:28:50.600 Say yeah the kid fire throws fire. Wow, nod to 2835 02:28:50.680 --> 02:28:57.559 his uncle. Didn't hit anybody though. Phonsie in the ring 2836 02:28:57.879 --> 02:29:01.239 tries to hit Samman with a cane. Sandman cuts him off, 2837 02:29:01.280 --> 02:29:06.600 grabs him by the hair. Hey you wanted Fonzie to 2838 02:29:06.600 --> 02:29:08.959 get his There you go, Yeah, there we go. That's fine. 2839 02:29:10.120 --> 02:29:14.120 Sab is on top missile drop kick. Did you see that. 2840 02:29:15.799 --> 02:29:18.920 Face after hitting the drops not like a real I mean, 2841 02:29:19.159 --> 02:29:22.200 you know that was a real kick. I think the 2842 02:29:22.239 --> 02:29:24.879 way is his head jerked to the right when he 2843 02:29:24.959 --> 02:29:26.920 when he got hit, Oh Man. 2844 02:29:28.600 --> 02:29:31.399 Now Sandman's on a bridged table and Sabo's climbing the 2845 02:29:31.479 --> 02:29:34.440 ropes with the small ladder. Is he gonna do the 2846 02:29:34.520 --> 02:29:35.200 Arabian face? 2847 02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:36.079 Bust Ah. 2848 02:29:37.680 --> 02:29:41.479 Just rains down with the ladder, pushing it down on 2849 02:29:41.600 --> 02:29:44.440 the Sandman through the table. These guys are just throwing 2850 02:29:44.520 --> 02:29:46.920 themselves at objects. 2851 02:29:46.440 --> 02:29:52.879 At this point, the Sandman and Saboo. 2852 02:29:54.559 --> 02:29:57.159 This is Sabo without an opponent who can do athletic things, 2853 02:29:57.200 --> 02:29:59.520 you know, like rob the damn or flash fun or 2854 02:29:59.600 --> 02:30:00.520 tast some degree. 2855 02:30:01.239 --> 02:30:03.440 He's gotta just it's just gonna be destruction. 2856 02:30:03.840 --> 02:30:08.200 Essentially Sandman's chest. How many more times are you gonna 2857 02:30:08.200 --> 02:30:11.719 get up from this position of barely conscious? 2858 02:30:11.879 --> 02:30:13.879 I mean, they're not only trying to win this mad Joe, 2859 02:30:14.559 --> 02:30:16.040 They're trying to one up each other. 2860 02:30:16.559 --> 02:30:19.200 They're trying to say who can pull out the craziest stunt. 2861 02:30:20.120 --> 02:30:21.120 Yeah, stunt is right. 2862 02:30:22.040 --> 02:30:24.000 That sounds like wrestling in nineteen ninety seven to me. 2863 02:30:25.920 --> 02:30:29.079 All right, Now Sandman's back in the rain, essentially motionless 2864 02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:32.639 on the canvas. Sabo's climbing with the mini ladder a different. 2865 02:30:32.360 --> 02:30:32.920 One this time. 2866 02:30:33.280 --> 02:30:35.319 Yeah, this is where he does the Arabian facebuster with 2867 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:37.399 the ladder where he tucks it behind his legs. 2868 02:30:38.760 --> 02:30:38.959 Yeah. 2869 02:30:39.079 --> 02:30:40.799 See, oh. 2870 02:30:45.520 --> 02:30:47.840 Cover like Arabian faithbufter with the ladder. 2871 02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:48.840 That's it. 2872 02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:55.159 What a fucking shit show. 2873 02:30:58.200 --> 02:31:08.399 Oh let Lanning hang say. 2874 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:33.440 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 2875 02:31:38.319 --> 02:31:39.559 It is the tribute to Savo. 2876 02:31:40.879 --> 02:31:44.159 It is Oh my god, what a fucking nightmare. 2877 02:31:45.879 --> 02:31:46.440 Please so. 2878 02:31:49.479 --> 02:31:49.719 Done. 2879 02:31:50.280 --> 02:31:56.639 I've never seen someone so high be so low. It's 2880 02:31:56.719 --> 02:31:57.760 a tribute, bitch. 2881 02:32:01.639 --> 02:32:02.159 Look at hell. 2882 02:32:02.440 --> 02:32:04.559 He's like, I can finally rest. 2883 02:32:04.760 --> 02:32:07.920 It looks like it looks like you got ejected from 2884 02:32:07.959 --> 02:32:11.879 a car crash. He's laying on this side. It's like 2885 02:32:11.959 --> 02:32:13.360 you get ejected from a club. 2886 02:32:17.159 --> 02:32:20.840 Get some replaceable, Yeah, we'll get some replaced Yeah, get 2887 02:32:20.879 --> 02:32:21.639 what's what we want for? 2888 02:32:22.399 --> 02:32:22.920 To look so much? 2889 02:32:22.959 --> 02:32:25.120 Last thing I want to do is replay this ship. 2890 02:32:25.520 --> 02:32:27.079 Let's do the next one. I just sent it to you. 2891 02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:30.920 If you got that, this is a little bit more, 2892 02:32:31.559 --> 02:32:33.959 but that one's legendary, I think for the Acid Trip 2893 02:32:34.399 --> 02:32:36.959 and how how fucking crazy that some of that ship 2894 02:32:37.120 --> 02:32:40.360 ended up being because of how disjointed Sandman was. This 2895 02:32:40.520 --> 02:32:42.879 is really the one between Saboo and Sandman. This is 2896 02:32:43.000 --> 02:32:45.879 Stairway to Hell. House Party ninety eight, was the name 2897 02:32:45.959 --> 02:32:48.239 of the show not available on Peacock as far as 2898 02:32:48.280 --> 02:32:49.639 I can tell, because it was kind of like an 2899 02:32:49.680 --> 02:32:52.440 arena special event in the pay per view age, and 2900 02:32:52.559 --> 02:32:55.520 once they went pay per view, the arena events weren't 2901 02:32:55.920 --> 02:32:59.120 as like highly sought after, they weren't considered supercards. But 2902 02:32:59.280 --> 02:33:01.239 this was I think the one with the craziest ship 2903 02:33:01.280 --> 02:33:02.479 between the two, if you can believe it. 2904 02:33:02.479 --> 02:33:04.879 After what, oh my god, after that was he high 2905 02:33:04.879 --> 02:33:05.280 as fuck? 2906 02:33:05.319 --> 02:33:05.559 Again? 2907 02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:08.399 We're gonna have to pay our closest attention because I've 2908 02:33:08.440 --> 02:33:10.840 seen people suggest that he was high in either one 2909 02:33:10.920 --> 02:33:13.600 of these. So whatever Acid Trip match it is, I 2910 02:33:13.680 --> 02:33:16.040 think it was that one because with this Sandman, having 2911 02:33:16.120 --> 02:33:18.280 watched a ton of his matches, I've never seen him 2912 02:33:18.319 --> 02:33:20.399 that lethargic and out to lunch like that. 2913 02:33:20.639 --> 02:33:26.040 Physically, it's just a complete like he's a He's just 2914 02:33:26.840 --> 02:33:29.799 a gargantuan goof. It's like a lost soul, you know, 2915 02:33:30.639 --> 02:33:32.079 looking for some tethering. 2916 02:33:32.639 --> 02:33:36.040 We've totally lost, is exactly it. 2917 02:33:36.799 --> 02:33:38.680 It is out there if you can find its Sabuber 2918 02:33:38.760 --> 02:33:41.399 Sandman Stairway to Hell three to one play. 2919 02:33:43.879 --> 02:33:44.559 Okay, I'm ready now. 2920 02:33:44.719 --> 02:33:47.120 This apparently was on an ECW home video release because 2921 02:33:47.200 --> 02:33:49.000 they have Joey Stowers doing stand ups in front of 2922 02:33:49.000 --> 02:33:52.719 the green screen. Three two one play one of the most. 2923 02:33:52.600 --> 02:33:55.639 Violent wars we have ever had here an extreme Chippion 2924 02:33:55.719 --> 02:33:59.559 Chip wrestling was that, pitting the peer swilling, cigarette smoking, 2925 02:33:59.760 --> 02:34:04.639 cane swinging san man against the suicidal, homicidal geni sidyl 2926 02:34:04.920 --> 02:34:09.319 Depth divine maniac Saboo. The problem was coming up with 2927 02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:12.680 a match up violent enough to satisfy both of these men. 2928 02:34:13.079 --> 02:34:18.159 They had used everything to destroy one enough ye ladders 2929 02:34:18.680 --> 02:34:19.600 still wasn't enough. 2930 02:34:20.479 --> 02:34:24.280 But then we devised the stairway to him, a ladder 2931 02:34:25.000 --> 02:34:28.559 in the center of the ring led to a barbed wire. 2932 02:34:29.440 --> 02:34:30.200 Oh my god. 2933 02:34:31.319 --> 02:34:39.520 Why so they put hardcore red letters on the apron. 2934 02:34:39.600 --> 02:34:40.079 I remember that. 2935 02:34:43.319 --> 02:34:45.719 He looks a little better already, a little bit better. Yeah, 2936 02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:48.200 Like you can actually see like he's not seeing gas. 2937 02:34:48.799 --> 02:34:50.879 It looks like he's not in like a metal tube, 2938 02:34:53.479 --> 02:34:55.319 big asked ladder in the middle of the ring. Yeah, 2939 02:34:55.399 --> 02:34:58.680 that's a big fucking I. The thing is, you know, 2940 02:34:58.840 --> 02:35:01.840 that's not a WE ladder. It's like a real ladder. Absolutely, 2941 02:35:02.200 --> 02:35:03.239 there's a big difference. 2942 02:35:05.799 --> 02:35:08.799 Yeah, I got it. Yeah. 2943 02:35:11.239 --> 02:35:15.159 The world bell sounds stars, the battles Sunman wielding the cane. 2944 02:35:16.719 --> 02:35:18.559 He wears them like a bag of bottom. 2945 02:35:19.799 --> 02:35:25.760 Yeah, we're in the arena now, not this uh a 2946 02:35:25.840 --> 02:35:29.760 Pittsburgh a venue man. 2947 02:35:31.520 --> 02:35:34.120 Yeah, couldn't agree more. 2948 02:35:37.360 --> 02:35:38.879 I think it was Harry Slash is the name of 2949 02:35:38.879 --> 02:35:40.159 the guy who did a lot of these doub music, 2950 02:35:40.200 --> 02:35:42.639 including that one, and I think when Saba passed he 2951 02:35:42.680 --> 02:35:43.760 tweeted some of the effect of it. 2952 02:35:43.840 --> 02:35:44.719 I think I've already mentioned this. 2953 02:35:45.840 --> 02:35:48.879 Cringing at the thought of all these like highlight packages 2954 02:35:48.920 --> 02:35:50.799 that are going to be done with the bastardized version 2955 02:35:50.840 --> 02:35:52.959 of my song. I'm thinking, Yeah, you don't know nothing 2956 02:35:53.000 --> 02:35:56.799 about the a cappella version, Harry, Yeah, exactly. Welcome tolf experience, 2957 02:35:57.040 --> 02:36:01.479 welcome both grabbing the latter of kicks out the legs 2958 02:36:01.799 --> 02:36:02.319 of some men. 2959 02:36:02.440 --> 02:36:05.000 Oh and immediately Crowns. See already these guys have it together. 2960 02:36:08.639 --> 02:36:11.200 They're already striking with more you know, precision. 2961 02:36:11.360 --> 02:36:14.200 Yeah, yeah, they Sabo. 2962 02:36:14.040 --> 02:36:16.360 Picks up the ladder and throws it in Sandman's faces, 2963 02:36:16.399 --> 02:36:17.559 wearing it across his back. 2964 02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:23.040 And again, Jesus Christ. 2965 02:36:24.280 --> 02:36:26.799 He's too made it clear at hardcore at ninety seven, 2966 02:36:26.799 --> 02:36:30.479 they're out to match up, They're out to eliminade one another. 2967 02:36:30.520 --> 02:36:34.159 From the support of professional wrestling. That may just happen tonight. 2968 02:36:35.920 --> 02:36:38.159 We may just be witnessing the end of the crib 2969 02:36:38.280 --> 02:36:40.520 one of these great eastsh up your start. 2970 02:36:43.520 --> 02:36:45.000 God willing that aren its side. 2971 02:36:45.120 --> 02:36:49.319 A finds a holding a chair. Oh over sand Man's head, 2972 02:36:50.200 --> 02:36:54.159 saboo of the apron climbs the ropes. No no, no, no, 2973 02:36:56.000 --> 02:37:02.639 sandwich in Sandman between the ladder and with the legoard. 2974 02:37:11.319 --> 02:37:14.440 Oh no, I didn go put the ladder on Sandman's face. 2975 02:37:14.479 --> 02:37:16.959 Climbing the ropes with a chair, sabs gonna do the 2976 02:37:17.079 --> 02:37:20.159 Rabian facebuster onto the the ladder. 2977 02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:28.479 So much deal clanging together, right, there's some that's kind 2978 02:37:28.520 --> 02:37:30.680 of it, like that's that's the sound of c W. 2979 02:37:31.079 --> 02:37:36.120 Right clang yep, and like chipped elbow bones, you know. Oh, 2980 02:37:36.879 --> 02:37:39.879 like they have like particulate matter floating around in their 2981 02:37:40.040 --> 02:37:43.799 arms on the hop now to the floor. Sandman kicking 2982 02:37:43.840 --> 02:37:46.920 on the front row. They got the ol snow heads, 2983 02:37:46.959 --> 02:37:50.280 they havennekin heads see him everywhere. Yep, yep, got at 2984 02:37:50.319 --> 02:37:52.440 that game that can already come out. Triple jump saboo 2985 02:37:52.760 --> 02:38:05.280 chair top rope, front row. Motherfucker, he's dub They're all 2986 02:38:05.680 --> 02:38:06.520 swinging the heads. 2987 02:38:07.360 --> 02:38:13.639 Yeah, both been very swell to. 2988 02:38:13.680 --> 02:38:14.680 Get up because wonder the. 2989 02:38:14.760 --> 02:38:16.000 Sand Man is even canting. 2990 02:38:16.639 --> 02:38:20.600 Yeah, I agree, e c fn W. 2991 02:38:20.799 --> 02:38:25.879 Black shirt tucked into jeans, black sneakers and a sweatshirt tied. 2992 02:38:25.719 --> 02:38:26.440 Around your waist. 2993 02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:29.760 Just a classy look. Ninety seven if I've ever seen it. 2994 02:38:30.280 --> 02:38:30.879 Ninety eight. 2995 02:38:32.239 --> 02:38:33.760 Nineties, Just nineties. 2996 02:38:33.520 --> 02:38:45.719 Nineties, there's late nineties. Look at this cluckly fucking freaks. 2997 02:38:46.200 --> 02:38:51.479 Oh my god, pumping their fists at their bodies, gonna 2998 02:38:51.479 --> 02:38:55.079 be ec dove at the guys. Yeah, they're like, there's 2999 02:38:55.239 --> 02:39:03.319 such a hunger, the hunger in the asleway now and 3000 02:39:03.399 --> 02:39:05.680 over the rail again to get another tour of the 3001 02:39:05.719 --> 02:39:14.879 arena the risers. Surprise, those risers never collapsed. That would 3002 02:39:14.879 --> 02:39:24.040 be such a see. It doesn't look anything like this now. 3003 02:39:24.079 --> 02:39:29.079 It's all like the walls are so like finished, this 3004 02:39:29.360 --> 02:39:32.319 floor shiny like yep, there's comfortable. 3005 02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:34.719 Seating, completely renovated. You know, it looks like. 3006 02:39:36.840 --> 02:39:43.799 Wall Definitely something I didn't know I wished i'd have 3007 02:39:43.879 --> 02:39:45.760 done at the time that now I realized I wish 3008 02:39:45.760 --> 02:39:48.200 I had done. At the time, I had no desire, 3009 02:39:48.319 --> 02:39:51.799 never thought about it, because when you look at the building, 3010 02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:53.159 it looks like the last place in the world you 3011 02:39:53.319 --> 02:39:56.600 want to go to on purpose. Imagine with no air 3012 02:39:56.680 --> 02:39:57.559 conditioning in August. 3013 02:39:58.040 --> 02:40:06.600 Oh, come on, I'm probably miserable. Saba jumping off the 3014 02:40:06.639 --> 02:40:10.639 stage the bird's nest thing. Just imagine, because like, it's 3015 02:40:10.719 --> 02:40:13.600 not just the heat, it's not just the heat, it's 3016 02:40:13.639 --> 02:40:19.000 the smell of a few hundred sweaty men. 3017 02:40:19.479 --> 02:40:23.280 Oh all right, and they don't, you know, they're they're 3018 02:40:23.319 --> 02:40:25.360 young enough that they don't have the hygiene locked in yet, 3019 02:40:25.440 --> 02:40:28.040 the bo they're not actually not totally on top of 3020 02:40:28.120 --> 02:40:33.799 it yet, right, Sadman was just put through a table. 3021 02:40:33.840 --> 02:40:36.799 Saboo jumping off the staging area at the arena with 3022 02:40:36.920 --> 02:40:43.719 a leg drop. This style match works better than the 3023 02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:45.840 arena too, because they have a lot more settings to 3024 02:40:45.920 --> 02:40:54.479 work with, you know. Yeah, yeah, this is definitely not. 3025 02:40:54.520 --> 02:40:58.040 The match where he's tripping. No way, he's got his 3026 02:40:58.120 --> 02:41:02.959 feet under it. Yeah, no question. 3027 02:41:03.799 --> 02:41:18.479 Sendan comes back, slam Saboo on the stage, drops an elbow, send. 3028 02:41:18.319 --> 02:41:21.719 Me and dragging table around by its hair, sends a 3029 02:41:21.840 --> 02:41:23.959 pace first and they're still doing rab. 3030 02:41:25.120 --> 02:41:25.719 All the heads. 3031 02:41:25.879 --> 02:41:31.159 Wow, that thing was a phenomenon for for a little while. Yep, 3032 02:41:36.040 --> 02:41:36.520 I had one. 3033 02:41:36.840 --> 02:41:39.239 There was one of my house. Yeah, I grabbed that 3034 02:41:39.319 --> 02:41:41.360 I wrote, helped me backwards across the forehead. 3035 02:41:45.920 --> 02:41:49.040 Yeah here, I'm here. 3036 02:42:01.600 --> 02:42:02.120 You kidding me? 3037 02:42:02.159 --> 02:42:03.719 You don't think I've been humbling that to myself. Ever 3038 02:42:03.799 --> 02:42:06.840 since we decided to do the Saba tribute. All I 3039 02:42:06.920 --> 02:42:09.280 do is walking around humming that song. It's just like 3040 02:42:09.399 --> 02:42:12.840 I hummed the TNA held Cogan song in DNA and 3041 02:42:13.000 --> 02:42:14.879 funk I hummed the w sew thing. 3042 02:42:14.920 --> 02:42:17.079 Oh now yep, oh taboo. 3043 02:42:17.319 --> 02:42:21.120 Yeah, caught on the arms Sandman as much if he did, 3044 02:42:21.680 --> 02:42:24.959 it was on the apron the ladder, so fucking bizarre 3045 02:42:25.639 --> 02:42:26.600 down on a Saboo. 3046 02:42:28.239 --> 02:42:32.079 Oh no, now he's got the teeter totter, he's got. 3047 02:42:31.959 --> 02:42:35.959 The Oh that time it right in the face. That's 3048 02:42:36.000 --> 02:42:37.639 what he was trying to do it November to remember. 3049 02:42:37.959 --> 02:42:40.760 Yeah right, It's just too high to pull it off. 3050 02:42:41.120 --> 02:42:44.360 Yeah, yes, Well, because the problem was Sabu wasn't in 3051 02:42:44.399 --> 02:42:46.479 the audience with the ladder under his face. He was 3052 02:42:46.520 --> 02:42:48.639 on the other side of the rail, so Sandman had 3053 02:42:48.680 --> 02:42:51.399 to topple the ladder over and above salmon Sabu's head. 3054 02:42:51.600 --> 02:42:54.920 It wasn't under his chin. That's because he was all fucked. 3055 02:42:54.719 --> 02:43:02.399 Up the position. He's all fucked up my suplex Sandman, 3056 02:43:02.520 --> 02:43:03.559 What the fuck is he doing? 3057 02:43:04.200 --> 02:43:08.280 The sad man mustling sable the steel guardrail shop places 3058 02:43:08.319 --> 02:43:09.200 along those turbles. 3059 02:43:09.239 --> 02:43:15.559 Here he comes. Oh what a fucking terrible in the concrete. 3060 02:43:15.799 --> 02:43:18.920 Oh my god, I fucking can't. 3061 02:43:20.319 --> 02:43:23.040 I fine, so keeping a safe pistan from the Sandman. 3062 02:43:35.360 --> 02:43:38.040 Sandman now bridging the guard rail in the ring. 3063 02:43:38.000 --> 02:43:39.120 With that table. 3064 02:43:40.639 --> 02:43:44.319 Another table bridge. Sabu catching up the Sandman with some 3065 02:43:44.440 --> 02:43:48.520 right hands. Say, man, Sabu fucked his arm up when 3066 02:43:48.520 --> 02:43:51.520 that ladder got thrown from the ring into the crowd 3067 02:43:51.639 --> 02:43:52.079 onto him. 3068 02:43:52.159 --> 02:43:53.200 Where are the eyes at. 3069 02:43:57.399 --> 02:43:59.239 Just think about it, Think about like your hand, your 3070 02:43:59.319 --> 02:44:01.280 arm when you hate a funny bone, you know, and 3071 02:44:01.399 --> 02:44:03.360 you go n and just think about it if there's 3072 02:44:03.399 --> 02:44:07.559 a crack in your elbow bone because it lands on 3073 02:44:07.719 --> 02:44:09.200 metal or metal. 3074 02:44:09.040 --> 02:44:13.120 Lands on it. Okay, now he's got a bridge with 3075 02:44:13.200 --> 02:44:13.520 the ladder. 3076 02:44:13.600 --> 02:44:15.719 Yeah, this is before people went through ladders, by the way, 3077 02:44:16.799 --> 02:44:18.799 right before they found a way to make the ladder 3078 02:44:18.879 --> 02:44:22.719 something you fell through too. Sos across the ladder bridge. 3079 02:44:22.760 --> 02:44:23.440 Here comes sand Man. 3080 02:44:24.520 --> 02:44:28.200 Oh Jesus fucking Christy. 3081 02:44:27.879 --> 02:44:30.360 Slingshot leg drop down on a sabo in the ladder. 3082 02:44:30.680 --> 02:44:33.200 Thing did not budge, No not at all. 3083 02:44:41.200 --> 02:44:44.680 This matchup has become a paddle of attrition. 3084 02:44:46.879 --> 02:44:47.959 Got much like the last one. 3085 02:44:48.040 --> 02:44:48.239 Huh? 3086 02:44:51.040 --> 02:44:53.600 I believe the coming back new. 3087 02:44:53.559 --> 02:44:55.600 Remains conscious will win the match up. 3088 02:44:57.799 --> 02:44:59.920 Well, this one's a little more fair in that regard. 3089 02:45:01.920 --> 02:45:03.680 What if you came into it unconscious? 3090 02:45:08.479 --> 02:45:11.319 Back in the ring at long last, Sabo have been 3091 02:45:11.399 --> 02:45:14.680 taking that vicious crushing blow on top of the ladder. 3092 02:45:15.280 --> 02:45:17.680 Sandman's now brought the jumbo ladder into the ring. 3093 02:45:17.760 --> 02:45:23.200 That thing is tall. Think about how many Think about 3094 02:45:23.319 --> 02:45:28.399 how many cigarettes? Yes, Sandman smokes every time he has 3095 02:45:28.440 --> 02:45:37.120 a greasy steak. I saw he was hitting the vape 3096 02:45:37.360 --> 02:45:39.200 vape pen and that busted open thing. 3097 02:45:39.399 --> 02:45:41.799 Yeah, oh yeah. The barber is hanging from the ceiling. 3098 02:45:42.239 --> 02:45:43.879 Pull that down live why why? 3099 02:45:44.040 --> 02:45:44.239 Why? 3100 02:45:44.479 --> 02:45:44.719 Why? 3101 02:45:46.159 --> 02:45:46.319 Oh? 3102 02:45:46.840 --> 02:45:52.159 Oh my god, that's the spot I remember, I've never 3103 02:45:52.239 --> 02:45:54.879 seen that before. The guy's on the ladder, he gets 3104 02:45:55.000 --> 02:45:57.600 shoved off the ladder, front flips all the. 3105 02:45:57.639 --> 02:46:00.639 Way to the floor through tables. I couldn't believe my 3106 02:46:00.680 --> 02:46:04.239 eyes when that happened. Sandman goes for the ride. Because 3107 02:46:04.280 --> 02:46:11.079 the industry is about trying to kill yourself. I mean, 3108 02:46:11.120 --> 02:46:14.600 you tell me who's suicidal, that's correct. Yeah, that's one 3109 02:46:14.639 --> 02:46:17.559 thing about the Saboo Sandman series. Sandman was the one 3110 02:46:17.559 --> 02:46:18.799 who took the crazy risks. 3111 02:46:20.680 --> 02:46:28.920 Oh grabbed me because because he's so fucking fat, you know, right, Yeah, 3112 02:46:29.079 --> 02:46:32.840 the they just fucking threw barbed wire into the crowd. 3113 02:46:33.079 --> 02:46:35.799 They did, okay, and they were kind enough to hand 3114 02:46:35.840 --> 02:46:38.120 it back. Jesus. 3115 02:46:38.600 --> 02:46:41.920 It's like a roll of barbed wire, like a almost 3116 02:46:41.920 --> 02:46:45.879 like a perverse door wreath of barbed wire. Sab you 3117 02:46:45.959 --> 02:47:00.319 sell him the jaw big time. And I'm one of 3118 02:47:00.360 --> 02:47:03.600 those Is he hurt or is he not? Yep? Yep? 3119 02:47:05.680 --> 02:47:05.879 Man? 3120 02:47:06.840 --> 02:47:10.040 That was that was insane. I can't believe Sandman got up. 3121 02:47:10.079 --> 02:47:13.520 I remember that being the finish. That was a crazy bump. 3122 02:47:14.399 --> 02:47:17.200 That's that. That was probably one of the sickest bumps 3123 02:47:17.280 --> 02:47:18.959 because you think he's gonna land of the ropes, you know, 3124 02:47:19.719 --> 02:47:23.079 right right, wrote first and said he front flips all 3125 02:47:23.079 --> 02:47:25.600 the way under the righting the tables falls like eight 3126 02:47:25.680 --> 02:47:27.840 feet more than you expected, I mean, and even and 3127 02:47:27.920 --> 02:47:29.840 the thing is like you don't see the tables right 3128 02:47:30.079 --> 02:47:31.879 from the camera angle like he for all you know, 3129 02:47:32.000 --> 02:47:34.639 he fell up on his back to the floor. 3130 02:47:35.319 --> 02:47:37.879 And I was lacing up wire in the corner corner. 3131 02:47:39.079 --> 02:47:41.079 This is after the Terry funk match. 3132 02:47:41.120 --> 02:47:45.760 So this is like extra impass. The worst fucking elbow 3133 02:47:45.799 --> 02:47:46.760 of ever is going to my life. 3134 02:47:47.799 --> 02:47:49.479 Still blutching at his chin and. 3135 02:47:49.760 --> 02:48:01.920 Jaw, the sad Man continue on stringing him up like 3136 02:48:02.000 --> 02:48:02.920 Christmas lights. 3137 02:48:04.559 --> 02:48:09.959 Arbire in the corner. Sad was bleeding from the mouth 3138 02:48:10.079 --> 02:48:17.760 like crazy. Oh, he already had that the story job. 3139 02:48:17.760 --> 02:48:19.239 Plus he got shot in the face when he was 3140 02:48:19.280 --> 02:48:24.680 a teenager. Board wore Sabo now catching up, the Sadman 3141 02:48:25.399 --> 02:48:30.479 crowns him with a chair, that board wire. Before anyone 3142 02:48:30.959 --> 02:48:35.479 thought about the brain drama, a brain trauma, he's raking 3143 02:48:35.520 --> 02:48:38.040 the wire he's got on his forehead. Saman just unzipped 3144 02:48:38.079 --> 02:48:42.840 his head for the industry scissors. 3145 02:48:43.920 --> 02:48:46.399 Salmon's come on, get him right, that blade at grids 3146 02:48:46.440 --> 02:48:47.360 his forehead. 3147 02:48:47.200 --> 02:48:59.280 Come on, shakes book digging into Jesus has been ricked 3148 02:48:59.319 --> 02:49:01.000 one up that wire. 3149 02:49:01.840 --> 02:49:02.399 That's great. 3150 02:49:02.680 --> 02:49:04.760 It's the wire on his neck, on his neck like 3151 02:49:04.799 --> 02:49:10.319 a necklace, stomping away a saboo. When body slam him, Yep, 3152 02:49:13.360 --> 02:49:15.479 tree of woe with the wire on his face. 3153 02:49:16.079 --> 02:49:19.600 He picked it up, but his own face of course. 3154 02:49:22.000 --> 02:49:24.079 Chair in front. Here we go, drop kick coming up 3155 02:49:25.200 --> 02:49:26.920 off the off another chair seat here we. 3156 02:49:26.959 --> 02:49:31.000 Go, Oh, fuck my life. 3157 02:49:31.360 --> 02:49:36.680 Why look it's it man. Oh it is Belly hanging 3158 02:49:36.719 --> 02:49:38.479 out upside down, fucking Abyss. 3159 02:49:38.559 --> 02:49:40.639 And I never know when. 3160 02:49:42.079 --> 02:49:46.280 When Abyss was hanging up there at that random episode 3161 02:49:46.319 --> 02:49:50.559 of TNA that I remember, And it's just Belly completely 3162 02:49:50.639 --> 02:49:59.559 ruined the image of Abyss combat chest first into that 3163 02:49:59.639 --> 02:50:01.840 barber I heard that had been strung up in the corner. Like, 3164 02:50:02.040 --> 02:50:04.280 what do you think you know that that's gonna happen? 3165 02:50:04.399 --> 02:50:06.799 Less you do when you throw yourself into it? Oh 3166 02:50:09.200 --> 02:50:14.040 can oh, it crowns him, your barbed wire hanging off 3167 02:50:14.079 --> 02:50:17.239 Sandman's body, off his body, his legs, his chest. 3168 02:50:23.000 --> 02:50:26.879 Boos pulled out on the canvas, pour out of his break. 3169 02:50:29.600 --> 02:50:29.840 Mess. 3170 02:50:34.559 --> 02:50:46.079 The Sandman is held on his feet, his elbow drops 3171 02:50:46.120 --> 02:50:47.959 look like someone just falling off a curb. 3172 02:50:48.520 --> 02:50:50.959 Yeah, Oh, it's just they're just absolute disgrace. 3173 02:50:57.079 --> 02:50:59.079 Oh you already did fuck him up. Don't worry about that. 3174 02:50:59.319 --> 02:51:02.600 That box is checked. The desk now finds I was 3175 02:51:02.840 --> 02:51:08.879 taping the jaw of jaw and that is just wrapping 3176 02:51:08.920 --> 02:51:11.239 the athletic tape. He's gonna cut his mouth off. 3177 02:51:14.959 --> 02:51:15.799 It was right here at the. 3178 02:51:18.280 --> 02:51:23.639 It was right here at the creas now. 3179 02:51:23.600 --> 02:51:27.680 They're yeah, playing up the taping himself midnight. She's it's 3180 02:51:27.760 --> 02:51:30.799 kind of like how he played into the getting knocked 3181 02:51:30.840 --> 02:51:33.120 out by every d verse wit. 3182 02:51:33.680 --> 02:51:36.000 Sandman goes upside down into the corner with the wire 3183 02:51:36.040 --> 02:51:41.760 on it, just jaw bone sad. He's got tape hanging 3184 02:51:41.799 --> 02:51:46.600 from his face. Look at him go springboard scars run 3185 02:51:46.719 --> 02:51:49.840 on his fucking knees, on his knees, he totally missed. 3186 02:51:49.879 --> 02:51:53.280 Look at the Sandman, Oh my god, look at his head. 3187 02:51:54.120 --> 02:51:58.479 Look at the state of the shredded like some Romano cheese. 3188 02:52:00.120 --> 02:52:06.680 What barbire in the neck, top rope, drop of the wires? Sick? 3189 02:52:08.079 --> 02:52:08.840 What a business? 3190 02:52:10.479 --> 02:52:13.719 Watch this guy's this is real. This guy's really fucking each. 3191 02:52:13.600 --> 02:52:15.799 Other up, Like what are you? What are you trying 3192 02:52:15.840 --> 02:52:16.239 to prove? 3193 02:52:16.520 --> 02:52:16.719 I know. 3194 02:52:18.360 --> 02:52:20.600 The mutilation they are witnessing. 3195 02:52:21.879 --> 02:52:23.760 Now. Sabo is climbing with a chair, just like at 3196 02:52:23.799 --> 02:52:25.040 November to remember. 3197 02:52:25.399 --> 02:52:27.159 Taboo, going up top with the chair. 3198 02:52:27.520 --> 02:52:33.239 Arabian facebuster yep across the head, ah the neck of 3199 02:52:33.319 --> 02:52:38.319 the Serban chefs feels like they're just throwing themselves into 3200 02:52:38.399 --> 02:52:39.000 war moves. 3201 02:52:39.040 --> 02:52:42.000 And look a bit of the barbire hanging off his head. 3202 02:52:42.200 --> 02:52:46.239 He looks like a fucking oh Christ Like. 3203 02:52:46.319 --> 02:52:48.799 Looks like he's from like in the movie Saw or 3204 02:52:48.879 --> 02:52:54.600 something crowded with the cane shot. Sandman stumbles down cover 3205 02:52:54.760 --> 02:52:59.200 Sabo one two three, and that's it, mercifully. 3206 02:52:59.559 --> 02:53:02.879 One first ever stir away a helmet. 3207 02:53:06.920 --> 02:53:08.719 I'm pretty sure this brought their few to a name 3208 02:53:08.799 --> 02:53:13.360 with the Singapore I can't even see what the bar 3209 02:53:13.520 --> 02:53:18.200 line in his head. Look at this guy. Look what 3210 02:53:18.360 --> 02:53:23.959 a psychopath? Such a mass it's just a psychopath. 3211 02:53:25.840 --> 02:53:28.079 Where do they find this fucking guys? 3212 02:53:29.280 --> 02:53:32.200 I know, seriously, like what fucking dive bar do they 3213 02:53:32.239 --> 02:53:33.120 find this clown. 3214 02:53:37.440 --> 02:53:38.000 Ship man? 3215 02:53:41.079 --> 02:53:42.840 How much hatred much these two? 3216 02:53:44.440 --> 02:53:45.319 Yeah, that's the question. 3217 02:53:45.680 --> 02:53:47.000 Get themselves to that. 3218 02:53:48.040 --> 02:53:50.879 We're getting Sandman's blood on their mannequin heads for. 3219 02:53:51.440 --> 02:53:54.280 They all want to there's somebody who has that fucking thing. 3220 02:53:54.399 --> 02:53:58.920 Oh my god, I still got it. I still got it. 3221 02:53:59.040 --> 02:54:01.840 Man Saboo writhing on the canvas. 3222 02:54:02.239 --> 02:54:03.760 What have we witnessed here? 3223 02:54:05.280 --> 02:54:06.000 Take another look? 3224 02:54:06.159 --> 02:54:09.879 Take a look at the Oh yeah yeah, what. 3225 02:54:10.000 --> 02:54:11.719 A lake drop by Sabo. 3226 02:54:13.639 --> 02:54:16.639 Sabo, the diving off the top stage, putting the Sandman 3227 02:54:16.760 --> 02:54:20.760 through a table, the Sandman through the d at Saboo. 3228 02:54:22.719 --> 02:54:23.559 And they're showing everything. 3229 02:54:23.639 --> 02:54:28.600 Huh a Teeter Ttter, and then what do. 3230 02:54:28.639 --> 02:54:30.479 You think of Sandman Verusabo Bus? 3231 02:54:31.239 --> 02:54:36.479 I mean, it's just grotesque, It's grotesquely violent. There is 3232 02:54:38.559 --> 02:54:42.639 se Lucky to tell himself the concrete. They all are like, 3233 02:54:43.319 --> 02:54:46.680 They're like, all it's gonna take is is a piece 3234 02:54:46.719 --> 02:54:51.200 of barbed wire to slash their jugular and they're dune. 3235 02:54:51.559 --> 02:54:55.879 It's so true, you know, I don't know if by 3236 02:54:56.000 --> 02:54:59.920 then they figured out gimmicks wire and stairway, the helmet story, 3237 02:55:00.040 --> 02:55:00.559 I don't think so. 3238 02:55:00.760 --> 02:55:06.000 No, there it is fucking hell Sandman and Sabu. 3239 02:55:06.760 --> 02:55:09.239 You know, as my mom would say, if I never 3240 02:55:09.319 --> 02:55:11.159 see that one of those again, I'm okay. 3241 02:55:11.079 --> 02:55:14.040 Okay, Well, Sabba wouldn't be okay. We're just beginning, I know, 3242 02:55:14.440 --> 02:55:16.399 I know, I know we'll get a long way to go. 3243 02:55:16.479 --> 02:55:18.639 In regards to that, it's fitting that we saw him 3244 02:55:18.680 --> 02:55:21.479 tape his jaw in the body of the match. Sabu's 3245 02:55:21.479 --> 02:55:23.600 selling a broken jaw or a busted jaw would be 3246 02:55:23.600 --> 02:55:25.959 a motif for him over the course of his career. 3247 02:55:26.280 --> 02:55:28.760 Here in his book he touches on the jaw break 3248 02:55:28.799 --> 02:55:31.120 that we've already touched on and we're asked about. So 3249 02:55:31.200 --> 02:55:34.319 here's the full suite of detail. When this life tanging 3250 02:55:34.319 --> 02:55:36.159 injury occurred, I think I was in Boston. It was 3251 02:55:36.239 --> 02:55:37.879 me and rv D versus Tommy Dreamer and one of 3252 02:55:37.879 --> 02:55:39.959 the very best hands in the business, the Sandman, which, 3253 02:55:40.000 --> 02:55:41.719 of course he's saying tongue in cheek. He joked several 3254 02:55:41.799 --> 02:55:43.600 times in the book about that as I came out 3255 02:55:43.639 --> 02:55:45.319 of the sky, but he had a land on my opponent. 3256 02:55:45.399 --> 02:55:48.000 The leg of that broken table came up fast before 3257 02:55:48.040 --> 02:55:49.959 I hit the mat. It hit me square right under 3258 02:55:50.000 --> 02:55:53.920 my chin. Yeah, I never saw it gunning smash. 3259 02:55:54.600 --> 02:55:56.719 I actually saw the leg for a split second before 3260 02:55:56.719 --> 02:55:58.159 it hit me, when it was only about three or 3261 02:55:58.200 --> 02:56:00.639 four inches from my face. It was just a blur, 3262 02:56:01.200 --> 02:56:03.040 just like a spike coming at me in the lower 3263 02:56:03.120 --> 02:56:05.799 corner of my eye. Oh, I think my brain registered 3264 02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:08.159 as a threat. It targeted to hit me in the eye, 3265 02:56:08.239 --> 02:56:09.959 and somehow, in the middle of a fucking moon salt, 3266 02:56:10.159 --> 02:56:11.920 I had enough time to jerk my face away just 3267 02:56:12.079 --> 02:56:15.079 enough so that I didn't skewer a cornea. Both rows 3268 02:56:15.120 --> 02:56:18.159 of my teeth slammed together hard. I had dagged an 3269 02:56:18.319 --> 02:56:21.760 enormous hole into my inside lower lip. That miscalculation took 3270 02:56:21.799 --> 02:56:24.040 me out it was pretty bad and the pain was horrible. 3271 02:56:24.120 --> 02:56:26.680 It was almost like getting shot all over again. I've 3272 02:56:26.719 --> 02:56:28.879 broken about thirty or forty bones in my life. An 3273 02:56:28.879 --> 02:56:31.239 next ray of my skeleton would probably look like a 3274 02:56:31.280 --> 02:56:34.280 fucking human jigsaw puzzle. I've broken my neck, I've broken 3275 02:56:34.360 --> 02:56:36.840 my arm, I've broken both wrists. I've broken both of 3276 02:56:36.879 --> 02:56:39.079 my hands. I've broken I think all my fingers, I think, 3277 02:56:39.120 --> 02:56:40.879 at some point or another, and at least three or 3278 02:56:40.920 --> 02:56:43.399 four of my toes. I broke my ankle in my foot. 3279 02:56:43.600 --> 02:56:45.840 I've broken my nose, and I think I even't broken 3280 02:56:45.920 --> 02:56:48.959 both my balls and cock once. But shattering my jaw 3281 02:56:49.120 --> 02:56:52.479 was That's what he wrote. That's what he wrote. But 3282 02:56:52.559 --> 02:56:55.399 he would always do stuff for comedic effect too. Okay, 3283 02:56:55.760 --> 02:56:58.520 maybe he just I don't know, maybe it came out 3284 02:56:58.559 --> 02:57:00.799 one time. He tried to shove it back in and broll. 3285 02:57:01.639 --> 02:57:04.719 But shattering my jaw was by far the most painful 3286 02:57:04.799 --> 02:57:07.520 bone breaking shit I've ever endured. I was on the 3287 02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:12.639 mat with my mouth full of dark blood. Boss dark blood, 3288 02:57:12.920 --> 02:57:16.120 take a second, Take a second and consider what that 3289 02:57:16.799 --> 02:57:19.920 what that means. I know what that means, and that's 3290 02:57:20.040 --> 02:57:24.200 just that's just that's that's bad. When I came to 3291 02:57:24.280 --> 02:57:26.520 I felt like somebody was standing on my face mashing 3292 02:57:26.559 --> 02:57:29.280 it down with their boot. I tried to swallow. Something 3293 02:57:29.360 --> 02:57:32.079 wasn't quite right. I knew it was definitely more than 3294 02:57:32.120 --> 02:57:34.159 a flesh wound. I went to bite down and realize 3295 02:57:34.159 --> 02:57:39.559 that my teeth didn't line up. Oh no, no, no, 3296 02:57:40.159 --> 02:57:43.200 it's like a shower off a shower door, off the track. 3297 02:57:44.239 --> 02:57:48.000 I moved my tongue around to take inventory. Wow, one 3298 02:57:48.120 --> 02:57:51.159 row of my back molars was facing inward toward my 3299 02:57:51.239 --> 02:57:54.319 lower gums. The pain was excruciating. If you have never 3300 02:57:54.360 --> 02:57:57.399 experienced it, there are no words. It was instantly incomparable. 3301 02:57:57.479 --> 02:57:59.719 The only thing I can think of is take a 3302 02:57:59.760 --> 02:58:02.280 hand to the side of a vase. That is what 3303 02:58:02.399 --> 02:58:04.799 it felt like. When I got up, the ECW fans 3304 02:58:04.840 --> 02:58:07.040 gave me a standing ovation. I saved that match from 3305 02:58:07.079 --> 02:58:09.280 stinking up the place and created a moment. All right, Yes, 3306 02:58:09.559 --> 02:58:11.840 I was a hero, but not for wrestling. I unwillingly 3307 02:58:11.879 --> 02:58:14.719 saved the match by appealing to the bloodthirsty bastards by 3308 02:58:14.840 --> 02:58:18.079 sacrificing my ability to chew. After I got up, I 3309 02:58:18.159 --> 02:58:20.239 walked back to the curtain. I was holding my jaw 3310 02:58:20.360 --> 02:58:23.440 in place, but with every step I felt it move. 3311 02:58:28.559 --> 02:58:28.719 Um. 3312 02:58:29.719 --> 02:58:32.760 Can you imagine taking a step and feeling your jaw move? 3313 02:58:33.319 --> 02:58:33.360 No? 3314 02:58:34.040 --> 02:58:36.680 No, it was like marbles. There were all shards of 3315 02:58:36.799 --> 02:58:39.280 cartilage and bone pieces moving around in there. 3316 02:58:39.520 --> 02:58:40.840 I don't want to know what that feels like. 3317 02:58:41.079 --> 02:58:44.399 I almost passed out. It was broken into jigsaw pieces 3318 02:58:44.440 --> 02:58:46.440 on one side under the skin. It hurt so much 3319 02:58:46.680 --> 02:58:49.520 that a weird self preservation numbness kicked in, and then 3320 02:58:49.559 --> 02:58:52.120 it didn't hurt anymore. I was not a stranger to 3321 02:58:52.200 --> 02:58:54.760 that survival numbness. He had been a good friend to 3322 02:58:54.840 --> 02:58:57.239 me many times in the past. I grabbed a handful 3323 02:58:57.280 --> 02:58:58.719 of ice out of a beer cooler and took a 3324 02:58:58.760 --> 02:59:01.600 blood shower. The swelling was down, and after I spat 3325 02:59:01.639 --> 02:59:03.760 out as much blood as I possibly could without needing 3326 02:59:03.760 --> 02:59:06.399 a transfusion, I took to the mirror. I turned my 3327 02:59:06.520 --> 02:59:09.440 lower lip inside out and saw the jagged line where 3328 02:59:09.479 --> 02:59:13.040 my teeth went through the puffy flesh. Rob came by 3329 02:59:13.239 --> 02:59:15.319 just in time to see me super gluing the gash 3330 02:59:15.440 --> 02:59:18.440 closed in my mouth. Ough, gnarley, he said, and you're 3331 02:59:18.440 --> 02:59:20.719 still here. I figured you would have left. I took 3332 02:59:20.760 --> 02:59:23.239 some toilet paper and draped it across the top of 3333 02:59:23.319 --> 02:59:25.959 my head ear to ear. RVD watched in awe and 3334 02:59:26.040 --> 02:59:28.799 shook his head as proceeded to tape my jaw closed. 3335 02:59:29.200 --> 02:59:31.840 After some frustration, he came over and helped leave enough 3336 02:59:31.920 --> 02:59:33.319 room so I can get a straw in there for 3337 02:59:33.440 --> 02:59:36.319 protein drinks, I said to the whole Effen nurse. At 3338 02:59:36.360 --> 02:59:38.399 this point, RVD knew the deal. We had been up 3339 02:59:38.399 --> 02:59:39.959 and down the road together. He had seen it all. 3340 02:59:40.239 --> 02:59:42.479 Nothing bothered him anymore when it came to me. He 3341 02:59:42.559 --> 02:59:44.399 made good and sure to keep the hair out of 3342 02:59:44.440 --> 02:59:46.600 the tape. My hair was part of the money. Good 3343 02:59:46.639 --> 02:59:48.719 thinking with the toilet paper, he said, wrapping a layer 3344 02:59:48.760 --> 02:59:51.399 around my chin. Nice forethought. In a voice that sounded 3345 02:59:51.479 --> 02:59:54.079 like Rocky After a championship fight, I asked him medic 3346 02:59:54.120 --> 02:59:56.520 how long I should wait before wrestling again. I think 3347 02:59:56.600 --> 02:59:58.440 the bare minimum on a jaw injury would be like 3348 02:59:58.520 --> 03:00:01.120 six weeks. At that point, you bones are probably healed 3349 03:00:01.200 --> 03:00:02.959 up enough to where it could withstand getting hit again 3350 03:00:02.959 --> 03:00:05.159 at least a little. How do you feel, Hayman asked 3351 03:00:05.200 --> 03:00:07.159 me as I made my way to the door, obviously 3352 03:00:07.239 --> 03:00:09.319 wondering how long one of his key players was going 3353 03:00:09.360 --> 03:00:10.239 to be out on intry. 3354 03:00:10.399 --> 03:00:12.360 This guy doesn'tely give a shit out how you're doing, 3355 03:00:13.040 --> 03:00:14.559 wants to know how long you're gonna be out. Let 3356 03:00:14.559 --> 03:00:16.159 me ask you how How long? Did they say it 3357 03:00:16.200 --> 03:00:18.719 would be? Not that I'm counting the weeks or anything, 3358 03:00:18.719 --> 03:00:22.040 but I just wondered, i'll be here tomorrow. You are 3359 03:00:22.079 --> 03:00:25.000 a sick fuck, he said, smiling. That sounds good to me. 3360 03:00:25.319 --> 03:00:27.799 Na, You're not a sick fuck to him, You're just 3361 03:00:29.159 --> 03:00:31.120 you're doing your job. If I had to guess, I 3362 03:00:31.239 --> 03:00:34.680 probably severed a nerve in my jaw. Oh my god, 3363 03:00:36.079 --> 03:00:37.079 that's just gross. 3364 03:00:37.520 --> 03:00:40.639 My whole chin and all my teeth are always slightly numb. Now, 3365 03:00:40.719 --> 03:00:42.920 even today, I really don't have too much feeling anywhere 3366 03:00:42.959 --> 03:00:44.680 in there anymore, which sucks. But this was also a 3367 03:00:44.719 --> 03:00:45.000 good thing. 3368 03:00:45.079 --> 03:00:45.200 Then. 3369 03:00:45.360 --> 03:00:46.920 It allowed me not to feel as much pain throughout 3370 03:00:46.959 --> 03:00:49.200 the healing process. The next time it happened, yes, a 3371 03:00:49.239 --> 03:00:51.280 few months later, after most of my jaw had healed 3372 03:00:51.319 --> 03:00:53.239 up on its own, my mouth came down hard on 3373 03:00:53.319 --> 03:00:55.920 a guardrail in a match. After the show, I knew 3374 03:00:55.920 --> 03:00:58.559 something wasn't right. I couldn't bite down. Even closing my 3375 03:00:58.680 --> 03:01:00.600 mouth after a sip of water bothered me. I had 3376 03:01:00.680 --> 03:01:02.879 no choice but to break my normal rules on healthcare, 3377 03:01:03.079 --> 03:01:05.200 I had to go to the hospital to get it 3378 03:01:05.239 --> 03:01:08.920 fixed professionally. As we talked about in the last episode, 3379 03:01:08.959 --> 03:01:11.879 Savo would avoid going at all costs to the emergency 3380 03:01:12.000 --> 03:01:14.799 room at all costs. When I got there, the oral 3381 03:01:14.840 --> 03:01:16.959 surgeon knew right away it was broken, but he insisted 3382 03:01:17.000 --> 03:01:19.159 on an X ray anyhow, This is exactly why I'd 3383 03:01:19.200 --> 03:01:21.200 never go to the hospital, I said. He explained to 3384 03:01:21.239 --> 03:01:22.600 me that if he was going to reset it, he 3385 03:01:22.680 --> 03:01:24.559 had to see what he was dealing with, so I agreed. 3386 03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:26.239 When he came back with the X rays, he put 3387 03:01:26.280 --> 03:01:28.079 the pictures up on a light box frame built into 3388 03:01:28.079 --> 03:01:30.520 the wall. You could clearly see that the jaw was dislocated, 3389 03:01:30.559 --> 03:01:32.520 but you could also see a bunch of black stuff 3390 03:01:32.639 --> 03:01:34.000 up around the upper level. 3391 03:01:33.799 --> 03:01:34.360 Of my mouth. 3392 03:01:34.559 --> 03:01:37.639 Oh fuck me, it looks like there is something in 3393 03:01:37.760 --> 03:01:41.079 there still. He said, did you remove any table parts 3394 03:01:41.079 --> 03:01:43.000 when you were playing doctor the first time it broke? 3395 03:01:43.040 --> 03:01:45.360 I don't think so, I said it that's stupid, Kenny 3396 03:01:45.399 --> 03:01:49.520 casnoa dialogue. That's of course not doctor. Didn't say that. 3397 03:01:50.840 --> 03:01:51.399 I don't think so. 3398 03:01:51.559 --> 03:01:53.920 I said it was the leg, not wood. He then 3399 03:01:53.959 --> 03:01:55.920 started prodding around to the roof of my mouth with 3400 03:01:56.040 --> 03:01:58.280 a stick and then some kind of metal poker thing. 3401 03:01:58.360 --> 03:02:00.840 Then we finally figured out it was not a piece 3402 03:02:00.879 --> 03:02:05.239 of the table or anything from the match. The X 3403 03:02:05.360 --> 03:02:12.639 rays detected bullet shard. Oh fuck mile, I still had 3404 03:02:12.879 --> 03:02:16.079 deep embedded shrapnel in there from being shot in the 3405 03:02:16.159 --> 03:02:18.760 face as a kid from way back in the day. 3406 03:02:20.079 --> 03:02:22.280 With a needle and thread, he stitched all the pieces 3407 03:02:22.600 --> 03:02:23.799 of my jaw back together. 3408 03:02:23.879 --> 03:02:24.639 After the oral. 3409 03:02:24.559 --> 03:02:26.440 Surgeon did everything he could, he grabbed a little piece 3410 03:02:26.479 --> 03:02:32.559 of paper and read me a prescription for fight fight 3411 03:02:32.760 --> 03:02:48.040 gon m And with that, huh, give me, give me 3412 03:02:48.200 --> 03:02:50.120 what this is? 3413 03:02:50.200 --> 03:03:00.280 Seven sab in the had an elector mask going to 3414 03:03:00.479 --> 03:03:05.440 the pharmacy. Apparently, well, look, we talked about it with 3415 03:03:05.479 --> 03:03:10.879 the ben Wan neck break, in the subsequent warm embrace 3416 03:03:11.159 --> 03:03:14.440 of prescription pain medicine, and now upon the jaw breaks 3417 03:03:14.479 --> 03:03:16.479 and all the other things that Sabu was so deeply 3418 03:03:16.559 --> 03:03:20.399 celebrated for gutting through for saying I'll be back next 3419 03:03:20.520 --> 03:03:23.959 week for super gluing things cut. We once again have 3420 03:03:24.079 --> 03:03:26.719 a very unfortunate fork in the road. Is it regards 3421 03:03:26.760 --> 03:03:33.479 to Terry brunk Oh the bottle, however, just like the 3422 03:03:33.559 --> 03:03:36.159 other pills ben Wa gave me when I broke my neck. 3423 03:03:36.680 --> 03:03:38.959 The new pills didn't seem to help me either. 3424 03:03:40.360 --> 03:03:44.479 How many milligrams one of the boys asked when I 3425 03:03:44.600 --> 03:03:47.239 showed up back in the ECW locker room a few 3426 03:03:47.319 --> 03:03:53.680 days later. Shoot, I don't know, I said, never being 3427 03:03:53.799 --> 03:03:59.399 one for pills. Do you get a bulls when you 3428 03:03:59.559 --> 03:04:08.479 take the no off pools? I asked, never hearing that before. 3429 03:04:09.719 --> 03:04:12.079 Axel Rotten looked at the bottle and said they were 3430 03:04:12.159 --> 03:04:15.360 pretty weak. Rest in peace Axel Rotten, By the way, 3431 03:04:16.200 --> 03:04:18.440 he suggested I'd take two instead of one. 3432 03:04:18.559 --> 03:04:18.719 Yes. 3433 03:04:19.920 --> 03:04:24.239 That night the pain was unbearable, so I took doctor 3434 03:04:24.399 --> 03:04:28.959 Rotten's new recommended allocation of a double dose, and it 3435 03:04:29.040 --> 03:04:32.159 didn't help. The next day, the boys asked me in 3436 03:04:32.159 --> 03:04:34.840 the locker room how my jaw was feeling, since two 3437 03:04:34.920 --> 03:04:36.399 pills didn't seem to do anything. 3438 03:04:36.479 --> 03:04:39.200 I said, not very well. 3439 03:04:42.440 --> 03:04:44.079 Why don't you cry. 3440 03:04:45.360 --> 03:04:48.360 Two? And the health. 3441 03:04:50.000 --> 03:04:54.520 Axel asked that I did, and that. 3442 03:04:56.280 --> 03:05:00.520 Was the magic number. You wouldn't think that half a 3443 03:05:00.600 --> 03:05:03.479 pill would matter so much. However, after I tried that 3444 03:05:03.680 --> 03:05:12.559 particular specific dose of pills, I never stopped. 3445 03:05:13.639 --> 03:05:14.239 Taking them. 3446 03:05:16.680 --> 03:05:24.680 I started taking to the house anytime they started to 3447 03:05:24.760 --> 03:05:26.120 wear off, and. 3448 03:05:26.280 --> 03:05:28.520 Pain was never an issue after that? To me, that 3449 03:05:28.559 --> 03:05:33.399 pick thumbs up. Hell, it really was fucking magical. 3450 03:05:35.760 --> 03:05:53.719 However, after that, I was instantly hooked thoughts am I 3451 03:05:53.920 --> 03:05:55.879 supposed to be surprised as a price to be paid? 3452 03:05:57.000 --> 03:05:57.239 Listen? 3453 03:05:57.399 --> 03:05:59.920 Do you think he just bounced back? Did you think 3454 03:06:00.079 --> 03:06:03.159 he found some potion that allowed him to be this 3455 03:06:03.280 --> 03:06:04.360 way all these years? 3456 03:06:04.600 --> 03:06:06.760 Do you think do you think he took the time 3457 03:06:06.920 --> 03:06:11.520 to actually get himself put back together properly? No? 3458 03:06:13.760 --> 03:06:20.879 Never? What did you do instead? What do you do instead? Listen? 3459 03:06:21.719 --> 03:06:24.719 What what's perhaps is to be learned here? This is 3460 03:06:24.799 --> 03:06:30.000 the wrestling business, and there's only one way to go, 3461 03:06:30.920 --> 03:06:36.399 and that is the easy way. Okay, gotta keep working well. 3462 03:06:36.959 --> 03:06:39.479 The easy way is the only way. 3463 03:06:40.559 --> 03:06:42.520 By you, boss in your peacock, to please pull up 3464 03:06:42.840 --> 03:06:46.879 ECW Living Dangerously nineteen and ninety nine. 3465 03:06:48.200 --> 03:06:51.760 Living Dangerously Think ninety nine. 3466 03:06:52.360 --> 03:06:54.719 Circle back to the feud. We started this episode with 3467 03:06:54.879 --> 03:06:58.840 our TLF tribute to Taz to Taboo. I'll tell you 3468 03:06:58.879 --> 03:07:00.680 where we're going, the Taz feud. 3469 03:07:01.600 --> 03:07:02.120 There he goes. 3470 03:07:02.159 --> 03:07:04.200 After their barely legal collision, they had a series of 3471 03:07:05.200 --> 03:07:08.200 cross ups, but as we just documented, Sabu kind of 3472 03:07:08.239 --> 03:07:11.479 bridged off into a multi month feud with Sandman and 3473 03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:13.719 the series of matches culminating in what we just watched, 3474 03:07:13.719 --> 03:07:16.399 the Stairway to Hell. By the time nineteen ninety eight 3475 03:07:16.479 --> 03:07:20.479 rolls around, Taz is already it's now kind of headed 3476 03:07:20.479 --> 03:07:25.200 towards the championship more than anything else. He's kind of 3477 03:07:25.280 --> 03:07:26.959 graduating to the very top of the card to be 3478 03:07:27.000 --> 03:07:29.239 the headliner and the top guy in ECW. 3479 03:07:29.520 --> 03:07:31.159 What was Saboo ever the champion? 3480 03:07:31.639 --> 03:07:34.440 Well, he won from Shane Douglas. We watched that match 3481 03:07:34.520 --> 03:07:37.399 last week, way back in ninety three. Everyone forgot about 3482 03:07:37.440 --> 03:07:41.000 that run because it was kind of truncated exactly. In fact, 3483 03:07:41.040 --> 03:07:42.799 one of the things Sandman said in the Busted Open 3484 03:07:42.840 --> 03:07:47.120 interview was, you know, we never our work together was 3485 03:07:47.159 --> 03:07:48.760 limited because he didn't want to lose the belt. To me, 3486 03:07:48.840 --> 03:07:50.840 Saba didn't want to lose the belt the Sandman back 3487 03:07:50.879 --> 03:07:53.280 in those early days. But yes, and then he won 3488 03:07:53.360 --> 03:07:57.079 it in the Barber match against Terry Funk that was 3489 03:07:57.120 --> 03:07:59.719 for the championship. Terry Funk was still holding it from Barly, 3490 03:08:00.840 --> 03:08:03.479 That's right. He closed barely legal winning the belt, and 3491 03:08:03.600 --> 03:08:06.159 then they switched it to Douglas at the next pay 3492 03:08:06.200 --> 03:08:09.879 per view. So here is what I consider. I think 3493 03:08:09.879 --> 03:08:11.879 it's the best Taz Sabo match, just in terms of 3494 03:08:11.959 --> 03:08:14.159 like completeness and what they did in the match. I 3495 03:08:14.200 --> 03:08:16.200 remember this one very well, another one I bought because 3496 03:08:16.200 --> 03:08:19.040 I had access by this point, and Taz is you know, 3497 03:08:19.440 --> 03:08:21.879 he's pretty much wrapping up at ECW. We didn't know 3498 03:08:21.879 --> 03:08:25.360 it at the time, but by September nineteen ninety nine 3499 03:08:25.399 --> 03:08:30.000 he's gone back to over to the WWF and somebody 3500 03:08:30.040 --> 03:08:33.399 else that's Sabou set up for a payday up in 3501 03:08:33.440 --> 03:08:36.920 New York, from Van Dam to him to many others. 3502 03:08:37.440 --> 03:08:40.120 We're gonna watch one more time Sabu went Taz at 3503 03:08:40.159 --> 03:08:42.799 the height of their powers pay per view nineteen ninety nine. 3504 03:08:43.239 --> 03:08:47.440 And yes, two eighteen twenty one is the timecode. 3505 03:08:47.040 --> 03:08:49.280 For those of you. Eighteen twenty one. 3506 03:08:49.639 --> 03:08:59.000 You can follow along. Just let me know, okay, okay 3507 03:08:59.719 --> 03:09:01.360 and play in three two. 3508 03:09:01.479 --> 03:09:02.319 One play. 3509 03:09:03.680 --> 03:09:32.799 And yes that jaw is teamed World break Out into 3510 03:09:32.840 --> 03:09:37.399 muhammad a San song pretty sooner. Yeah right. He was 3511 03:09:37.440 --> 03:09:38.079 the ft W. 3512 03:09:38.280 --> 03:09:41.319 Champion at the time of Sabbo of course has introducing 3513 03:09:41.360 --> 03:09:45.079 that championship. Ft W was his Fuck the World clothing line. 3514 03:09:45.200 --> 03:09:48.079 I can let you know that I owned it. Orange 3515 03:09:48.280 --> 03:09:49.319 there we go t shirt. 3516 03:09:49.639 --> 03:09:54.600 That's funny. There we go and uh Concord, North Carolina. Yes, 3517 03:09:54.639 --> 03:09:56.479 we're gonna see a clip Concord. 3518 03:09:57.159 --> 03:09:59.879 This is where he broke his jaws with a closed 3519 03:10:00.200 --> 03:10:02.040 This was a legit jaw injury, unlike the one we 3520 03:10:02.159 --> 03:10:03.200 just saw against sand Man. 3521 03:10:03.319 --> 03:10:08.559 Watch this breaks his jaw with this duck. Oh fuck 3522 03:10:08.719 --> 03:10:11.360 my life, Sabo. 3523 03:10:11.760 --> 03:10:16.280 As a matter of fact, idiot fucking Taz. Taz even 3524 03:10:16.680 --> 03:10:20.520 uh tours bicep. That's right, he tours on bicep. That's 3525 03:10:20.520 --> 03:10:21.360 how hard he landed. 3526 03:10:21.479 --> 03:10:23.079 What a fucking bunch of morons. 3527 03:10:23.159 --> 03:10:24.719 They were working all around the horn. That was like 3528 03:10:24.799 --> 03:10:27.840 a handcam house show. You could see a fucking basketball 3529 03:10:27.879 --> 03:10:30.239 hoop in the high school gym. Wow, we're wrestling in 3530 03:10:31.639 --> 03:10:34.399 So that's why the tape job Sabu wrote f U 3531 03:10:34.600 --> 03:10:39.000 on the tape were unifying the ft W and world titles. 3532 03:10:39.040 --> 03:10:42.760 Here Tony Khan would bring back the FTW title when 3533 03:10:42.760 --> 03:10:45.559 Taz would introduce his on stable in a W That's 3534 03:10:45.559 --> 03:10:47.239 how much of a fan he was of what Taz 3535 03:10:47.360 --> 03:10:49.280 was doing back then, and Taz of course still works 3536 03:10:49.280 --> 03:10:51.719 for them to this day. We saw Tony Khan in 3537 03:10:51.760 --> 03:10:53.920 the crowd during one of the Saboo Rob Van Damn 3538 03:10:53.959 --> 03:10:58.799 matches last time at THECW Arena. This is the remixed 3539 03:10:59.200 --> 03:11:03.719 War Machine with Taz doing little voiceover work, and he 3540 03:11:03.879 --> 03:11:04.680 is the belt holder. 3541 03:11:04.760 --> 03:11:06.319 He is the man. Yep. 3542 03:11:17.799 --> 03:11:20.200 Just think how hot the business was in nineteen ninety nine. 3543 03:11:20.280 --> 03:11:21.360 I mean, geez oh god. 3544 03:11:23.159 --> 03:11:24.799 I remember this is when ECW came out with or 3545 03:11:24.840 --> 03:11:27.920 A magazine. They had the Wow World of Wrestling magazine 3546 03:11:27.959 --> 03:11:31.680 and they had the W magazine, same publisher, same format, 3547 03:11:31.879 --> 03:11:38.760 same staff, action figures from San Francisco, toy makers, yep, 3548 03:11:39.120 --> 03:11:42.719 video game coming from Acclaim. All these revenue streams that 3549 03:11:42.719 --> 03:11:46.479 would not come along fast enough for them to stay 3550 03:11:46.520 --> 03:11:47.600 above water financially. 3551 03:11:48.399 --> 03:11:49.040 That's the truth. 3552 03:11:50.920 --> 03:11:53.000 This was the only other time Taz and Sadly met 3553 03:11:53.079 --> 03:11:56.440 on pay per views. Time for the world title. 3554 03:11:56.799 --> 03:12:00.639 Who calls it right down the middle? The manager champions 3555 03:12:01.000 --> 03:12:08.600 Bill Alfonso Wagon at two hundred and twenty pounds from 3556 03:12:08.760 --> 03:12:10.000 Bombay Michigan. 3557 03:12:10.760 --> 03:12:11.559 He is the current. 3558 03:12:11.760 --> 03:12:13.000 That's Bombay Michigan w. 3559 03:12:13.559 --> 03:12:19.559 World Heavyweight Champion. He is suicidal. He is homicidal. 3560 03:12:20.040 --> 03:12:20.360 He is. 3561 03:12:21.879 --> 03:12:26.000 He is you know all these things that the police 3562 03:12:26.000 --> 03:12:27.479 are never in the in attendance. 3563 03:12:27.639 --> 03:12:30.719 What what race was seeking to extinguish. What makes him 3564 03:12:30.719 --> 03:12:32.680 genocidal as that know, it's. 3565 03:12:33.360 --> 03:12:37.040 Weighing at two hundred and forty eight pounds the red 3566 03:12:37.120 --> 03:12:37.959 Hook section. 3567 03:12:37.879 --> 03:12:39.959 Of Brooklyn, New York, the red Hook section. 3568 03:12:40.200 --> 03:12:42.760 He is the human sup flex machine. 3569 03:12:43.719 --> 03:12:49.120 He is also the current ec W World Heavyweight Champion. 3570 03:12:49.840 --> 03:12:50.600 This is. 3571 03:12:53.000 --> 03:12:54.040 Okay, calm down. 3572 03:13:03.040 --> 03:13:06.000 Whenever these two are in the same ring, it gives 3573 03:13:06.120 --> 03:13:07.360 me goose boots. 3574 03:13:09.520 --> 03:13:09.879 Me too. 3575 03:13:10.680 --> 03:13:13.200 That's an extensive amateur restling. 3576 03:13:12.959 --> 03:13:16.440 Back to feel that way, and a second case in tutum. 3577 03:13:18.120 --> 03:13:23.799 Saboo is absolutely out of his mind and will do 3578 03:13:24.040 --> 03:13:28.600 anything to destroy Tas and to once again you the 3579 03:13:28.680 --> 03:13:30.360 heavyweight shamdion of the world. 3580 03:13:30.879 --> 03:13:37.639 Has a mic Oh boy, that's gonna be all you see. 3581 03:13:37.959 --> 03:13:41.799 Your lally waited out in the raid for three hours, 3582 03:13:45.159 --> 03:13:45.799 three hours. 3583 03:13:46.639 --> 03:13:47.879 So I got an idea. 3584 03:13:48.639 --> 03:13:50.399 I said, okay, we make this. 3585 03:13:50.959 --> 03:13:53.520 Not only are you to five belt match, but an 3586 03:13:53.559 --> 03:13:56.840 extreme death match falls down and. 3587 03:13:58.079 --> 03:14:02.280 The builder right, and they got to finish that requires 3588 03:14:02.360 --> 03:14:10.719 them to do it on the floor. It's a huge 3589 03:14:10.760 --> 03:14:13.440 building for them, so much bigger than we're used to. 3590 03:14:13.399 --> 03:14:16.559 Saying, yeah, you can tell remember where this was. 3591 03:14:20.399 --> 03:14:28.680 Alfonso telling Sabo, don't forget you're only seventy percent sabos 3592 03:14:28.680 --> 03:14:29.479 in English, get out of. 3593 03:14:29.479 --> 03:14:36.000 The way, sab diving on the ankle, Yes, that was 3594 03:14:36.159 --> 03:14:36.680 that was the key. 3595 03:14:36.760 --> 03:14:39.360 Iarity is just as ECW started to figure out bigger buildings, 3596 03:14:39.440 --> 03:14:42.719 you know, doing actual decent pay per view numbers and stuff. 3597 03:14:42.959 --> 03:14:47.239 Although they they did exceptionally well considering what could be 3598 03:14:47.319 --> 03:14:49.799 expected from the beginning on pay per view, Yeah, it 3599 03:14:49.840 --> 03:14:52.239 started on unravel as soon as they started to click 3600 03:14:52.280 --> 03:14:53.760 into place the things that are supposed to make you 3601 03:14:53.760 --> 03:14:54.319 the real money. 3602 03:14:55.159 --> 03:14:59.079 Of course, that's how would I expect anything less? 3603 03:14:59.559 --> 03:15:01.200 I'd go and talking to this book a lot about 3604 03:15:01.200 --> 03:15:04.600 how Gunshot Paul always was about straying too far from 3605 03:15:04.600 --> 03:15:06.680 the East Coast and how he went into you know, 3606 03:15:06.760 --> 03:15:08.879 other markets like Florida and other states with a lot 3607 03:15:08.879 --> 03:15:13.120 of apprehension because the costs they had that introduced. 3608 03:15:12.639 --> 03:15:15.440 Really what stress on the business model. 3609 03:15:17.719 --> 03:15:19.399 It's like these guys feel like they should be expanding, 3610 03:15:19.479 --> 03:15:21.399 but it's like, no, the the numbers only make sense 3611 03:15:21.440 --> 03:15:25.760 if we don't leave Philadelphia, you know. Yeah, big right 3612 03:15:25.799 --> 03:15:27.799 hand Taz now gonna go with the cross faces and 3613 03:15:27.840 --> 03:15:30.719 that damage jaw Oh nice block by Sabo. 3614 03:15:30.520 --> 03:15:32.879 Though, Wow psychology here like that. 3615 03:15:33.000 --> 03:15:33.319 I like that. 3616 03:15:33.440 --> 03:15:37.680 I appreciate that pulls over it with kind of an 3617 03:15:37.719 --> 03:15:40.200 arm drag deal Taz with head scissors. Sabu back flips 3618 03:15:40.239 --> 03:15:42.360 under the ropes looking for the break letter. Prescotts won 3619 03:15:49.440 --> 03:15:51.079 Tas just said to the crowd, I'm gonna fucking shoot 3620 03:15:51.120 --> 03:15:58.680 on him. Huh okay, Coler Nobunkas to the waistline, We 3621 03:15:58.760 --> 03:16:02.680 go up. Okay, I see a different side of Sabo here. Yeah, 3622 03:16:04.600 --> 03:16:10.639 they crossed faces by Taz. Come on, motherfucker, he says, yes, 3623 03:16:10.879 --> 03:16:12.840 come on, Motherfucker's. 3624 03:16:15.319 --> 03:16:17.079 Nothing fancy about test. 3625 03:16:19.280 --> 03:16:19.760 Back up in the. 3626 03:16:19.760 --> 03:16:25.520 Irishis for sure, nothing fancy about Taz running boot to 3627 03:16:25.559 --> 03:16:27.120 the side of the head, the Brooklyn boot as he 3628 03:16:27.200 --> 03:16:27.680 used to call it. 3629 03:16:30.159 --> 03:16:30.440 Task. 3630 03:16:35.280 --> 03:16:37.840 He's like, you know, he's one of those guys who's 3631 03:16:37.920 --> 03:16:39.760 just body is so stiff all the time. 3632 03:16:39.799 --> 03:16:40.159 I know. 3633 03:16:42.840 --> 03:16:49.840 His disposition was too unloading. There's a loaner on the road, 3634 03:16:49.959 --> 03:16:50.559 you know he was. 3635 03:16:50.719 --> 03:16:54.600 He kind of lived that gimmick. There's the yeah, the 3636 03:16:54.680 --> 03:16:58.159 slingshot like larriot by Sabou catches Tak coming out of 3637 03:16:58.159 --> 03:16:58.799 the corner for two. 3638 03:16:59.360 --> 03:17:01.840 Out to the april. Now front flip leg dry out 3639 03:17:03.600 --> 03:17:08.840 those two. Sabo was perfectly happy to land a leg 3640 03:17:08.920 --> 03:17:10.479 drop cover him for three and get out of here. 3641 03:17:10.920 --> 03:17:13.079 That's not gonna work. Here comes a chair, No love it. 3642 03:17:13.840 --> 03:17:17.600 Jesus has his head setting up the seat. Now he's 3643 03:17:17.639 --> 03:17:18.920 gonna take off their sab. 3644 03:17:19.879 --> 03:17:24.319 There we go. Oh my god, it's like he delayed himself. 3645 03:17:27.479 --> 03:17:32.799 It was an aerialist to the floor, goes Taz. Sabu 3646 03:17:32.920 --> 03:17:39.000 kicks him into the ring. I clipped him, loading him 3647 03:17:39.000 --> 03:17:40.159 over the rail end of the front row. 3648 03:17:40.840 --> 03:17:43.520 I can only mean one thing this is. This isn't 3649 03:17:43.559 --> 03:17:44.200 gonna be pretty. 3650 03:17:45.639 --> 03:17:48.399 Sab in the ring, chair set up triple jump one, 3651 03:17:48.520 --> 03:17:52.479 two and three. Oh but Jesus Chaz lifted a chair 3652 03:17:53.280 --> 03:17:55.680 in the audience, catching Sabo on the way down. 3653 03:18:00.360 --> 03:18:05.680 Okay, but okay, kid, more of me and that kid 3654 03:18:05.719 --> 03:18:13.840 than I care to admit. Back in nineteen in the extreme, 3655 03:18:15.440 --> 03:18:17.200 I mean every single match they brawl in the crowd. 3656 03:18:17.239 --> 03:18:18.479 I don't know why they had to make the false 3657 03:18:18.520 --> 03:18:21.200 cunt anywhere stip for this one. I don't remember the 3658 03:18:21.239 --> 03:18:23.959 finish here, but it must. It must be a pin 3659 03:18:24.040 --> 03:18:32.959 on the outside, A cameraman holding the camera way above 3660 03:18:33.000 --> 03:18:34.680 his head, trying to catch anything he can. 3661 03:18:36.479 --> 03:18:37.000 Desperation. 3662 03:18:37.159 --> 03:18:41.399 Funny see cameraman on camera. Usually I won't see that. 3663 03:18:45.079 --> 03:18:47.639 I remember going a handful of ECW shows when they 3664 03:18:47.719 --> 03:18:50.360 spilled over the rail man, it was like it was 3665 03:18:50.440 --> 03:18:51.159 fucking chaos. 3666 03:18:51.360 --> 03:18:54.680 Sure, sure, everything's fucking. 3667 03:18:55.799 --> 03:19:03.559 Everyone's pushing, all the cheers are sliding, you know, and 3668 03:19:03.680 --> 03:19:05.360 here in a pay per view setting, they've got the 3669 03:19:05.399 --> 03:19:10.040 Atlas security guys carving out like a a save space 3670 03:19:10.120 --> 03:19:12.840 for him. But when I remember crawl crowd brawls that 3671 03:19:12.920 --> 03:19:15.959 lie these de W shows, house shows that there was 3672 03:19:16.079 --> 03:19:16.840 nothing between the. 3673 03:19:16.959 --> 03:19:17.959 Fans and the wrestlers. 3674 03:19:18.840 --> 03:19:27.840 Yeah, yeah, I still remember from an ECW show. That's 3675 03:19:27.879 --> 03:19:29.639 when Just Incredible would come to the ring with Jazz. 3676 03:19:29.719 --> 03:19:33.399 Remembered Jazz from WWF. Oh yes, and she was at 3677 03:19:33.440 --> 03:19:33.840 the apron. 3678 03:19:34.040 --> 03:19:36.959 He was in the ring and someone was, oh, Sado 3679 03:19:37.079 --> 03:19:38.840 came up with that chair and just cracked Has on 3680 03:19:38.879 --> 03:19:40.680 the head with it. Uh they were I remember what 3681 03:19:40.719 --> 03:19:42.639 they were saying. It was like disrespectful towards Jazz. It 3682 03:19:42.680 --> 03:19:44.399 must have been like a sexor moark or something. 3683 03:19:44.600 --> 03:19:46.920 And she had the Singapore cane, which Just Incredible used 3684 03:19:46.920 --> 03:19:47.760 to being to the ring back there. 3685 03:19:47.799 --> 03:19:50.040 Yeah yeah, And this guy was in the front row with. 3686 03:19:50.079 --> 03:19:52.319 His hands on the on the steel rail, like gripping 3687 03:19:52.360 --> 03:19:55.840 the rails. She turned around and smacked his hands with 3688 03:19:56.000 --> 03:19:58.879 the with the the Singapore cane. 3689 03:19:59.399 --> 03:20:03.159 Right, she'd nail it. It's like, oh my god, this 3690 03:20:03.399 --> 03:20:05.600 she's not fucking around at all. Something pissed her off 3691 03:20:05.879 --> 03:20:06.680 that he said. 3692 03:20:13.959 --> 03:20:14.559 The verse two. 3693 03:20:15.879 --> 03:20:18.159 They're up on the rampway, which ECWS to employ for 3694 03:20:18.239 --> 03:20:21.879 pay per views passing Bigelow once went through the ramp 3695 03:20:22.200 --> 03:20:27.000 one time, off the chair into the crowd, go saboo 3696 03:20:27.079 --> 03:20:34.319 off the ramp. So they did pronounce the W. It 3697 03:20:34.399 --> 03:20:41.120 wasn't just dub yeah, yeah, get a pitfall attempts in 3698 03:20:41.159 --> 03:20:46.040 the crowd here in the false cut anywhere environment. All 3699 03:20:46.079 --> 03:20:48.200 of ECW match you should have been false cut anywhere. 3700 03:20:49.120 --> 03:20:52.000 They all allowed crowd brawling and no countouts ever said 3701 03:20:52.040 --> 03:20:54.440 they just should have allowed pinfalls anywhere. 3702 03:20:54.159 --> 03:20:55.200 From every match too. 3703 03:20:56.639 --> 03:20:58.399 I mean, well, I don't know. 3704 03:20:59.639 --> 03:21:03.440 Maybe I got back up in the ring. 3705 03:21:03.559 --> 03:21:05.959 Army agrees with that. Part of me thinks maybe not. 3706 03:21:07.120 --> 03:21:09.959 You like the requirement to get the guy back in 3707 03:21:10.000 --> 03:21:12.200 the ring. Yeah, I mean there's something to be said 3708 03:21:12.239 --> 03:21:15.760 for that. To have every match the falls kind of anywhere. 3709 03:21:15.799 --> 03:21:17.159 I feel like that would lose. 3710 03:21:19.520 --> 03:21:22.799 Something. You're probably right. 3711 03:21:24.639 --> 03:21:26.680 I think I'm just commenting on how absurd the idea 3712 03:21:26.760 --> 03:21:29.239 is that they have to add any kind of rule. 3713 03:21:29.760 --> 03:21:32.120 There's no rules. Yeah right, I know, I know. 3714 03:21:32.399 --> 03:21:34.120 Kicks the knee, the left knee of. 3715 03:21:34.200 --> 03:21:38.680 Tax back in the ring. Now Saboo has a table. 3716 03:21:38.760 --> 03:21:40.440 He's making a bridge with it. That's going to come 3717 03:21:40.479 --> 03:21:46.920 into play later in a big way. Paz catches up 3718 03:21:46.959 --> 03:21:48.799 to Saboo on the floor before he can do anything 3719 03:21:48.879 --> 03:21:50.120 with the table, loads him back. 3720 03:21:50.000 --> 03:21:59.239 In a boot right in the face of Tags, calling 3721 03:21:59.280 --> 03:22:00.600 off with the right hand in the center of the 3722 03:22:00.680 --> 03:22:03.159 ring of Saboo backing up the champ. 3723 03:22:03.680 --> 03:22:10.159 Tazus underneath belly to belly, oh ship half yikes, even 3724 03:22:10.280 --> 03:22:13.479 killed a camera did you know where near the camera feed? 3725 03:22:13.559 --> 03:22:14.479 But it fucking killed it. 3726 03:22:15.280 --> 03:22:19.000 I remember that being the sickest thing. So Taz did 3727 03:22:19.040 --> 03:22:22.120 a belly to belly overhead release suplex over the ropes 3728 03:22:22.200 --> 03:22:25.559 onto a bridge table. The way Saboo landed, he just 3729 03:22:25.719 --> 03:22:27.239 totally folded in half. 3730 03:22:27.879 --> 03:22:29.719 Oh yeah, the legs. 3731 03:22:30.200 --> 03:22:34.120 The legs kind of hit the railing and like bounced backwards. 3732 03:22:35.600 --> 03:22:36.000 All right. 3733 03:22:36.079 --> 03:22:48.440 He says, yeah, let's see a replay that I forgot 3734 03:22:48.479 --> 03:22:51.399 the whole busted out. The camera feed like that went 3735 03:22:51.440 --> 03:22:52.399 totally black. 3736 03:22:56.319 --> 03:23:05.399 Him. He flair, Oh my god, shout call out w 3737 03:23:05.719 --> 03:23:08.760 W guys. Never WWF guys though, Yeah right, because. 3738 03:23:09.959 --> 03:23:13.440 It's back when Shane Douglas, his whole personality was calling 3739 03:23:13.520 --> 03:23:18.479 out Rick Flair, calling him Dick Flair and stuff. Actually, no, 3740 03:23:18.520 --> 03:23:19.559 he's already gone over there. 3741 03:23:19.920 --> 03:23:20.239 This is. 3742 03:23:23.079 --> 03:23:24.879 No no, I take that back. He didn't go to 3743 03:23:24.920 --> 03:23:31.200 two thousand. Al fucking Taz. 3744 03:23:32.680 --> 03:23:34.920 Was on his way to New York anyway, Yeah, right, 3745 03:23:35.000 --> 03:23:37.600 fucking ship back home where he belongs. 3746 03:23:40.040 --> 03:23:44.440 And getting his hands on Alfonso turned on him. Alfonso 3747 03:23:44.520 --> 03:23:47.840 is gonna throw in the towel like Arnold skolen Zach 3748 03:23:47.879 --> 03:23:49.159 counting a falls kind of anywhere match. 3749 03:23:50.639 --> 03:23:53.079 I don't know that's a good question ever. 3750 03:23:53.120 --> 03:23:58.360 Whatever Alfonso added nine. Sabo prevented Alfonso from throwing in 3751 03:23:58.399 --> 03:24:00.559 the towel from the ramps. Sabo on show one of 3752 03:24:00.600 --> 03:24:05.559 the rail. Oh geez, really wide angle shot right here 3753 03:24:08.040 --> 03:24:11.200 fighting between the rail and the ramp. Or Sabo and Taz. 3754 03:24:11.719 --> 03:24:14.360 Oh PHONSI just threw her chair and Taz is after it. 3755 03:24:14.959 --> 03:24:17.879 Oh my god, they. 3756 03:24:17.840 --> 03:24:18.440 Bleeped that one. 3757 03:24:18.479 --> 03:24:19.879 He just had fuck ten seconds ago. 3758 03:24:20.040 --> 03:24:20.840 I know he did. 3759 03:24:20.959 --> 03:24:22.360 He really did, Like I didn't. 3760 03:24:22.520 --> 03:24:26.120 Bother guys, Seriously, someone someone's uh, someone's not on their 3761 03:24:26.239 --> 03:24:33.639 fucking job here, Taz. 3762 03:24:34.520 --> 03:24:41.399 Absolutely, he pronounced that perfectly. Back to mid ring, Saboo 3763 03:24:41.440 --> 03:24:45.680 drops a leg across the back of Taz's head cover, 3764 03:24:45.799 --> 03:24:46.200 gets too. 3765 03:24:47.639 --> 03:24:50.760 You know, it's kind of funny. Do you think about 3766 03:24:50.840 --> 03:24:54.799 I don't know how oh Jesus fucking blood coming from 3767 03:24:54.840 --> 03:25:00.719 under Sabo's lower let. Oh so much instability? How much 3768 03:25:00.840 --> 03:25:01.840 money was the company? 3769 03:25:02.200 --> 03:25:02.239 Like? 3770 03:25:02.319 --> 03:25:03.159 Were they doing? Okay? 3771 03:25:03.319 --> 03:25:03.440 Now? 3772 03:25:03.559 --> 03:25:05.559 Were they sure? Was he paying? 3773 03:25:05.760 --> 03:25:05.879 Uh? 3774 03:25:06.360 --> 03:25:07.559 Is paying people their salaries? 3775 03:25:07.639 --> 03:25:10.040 He's signing the Yeah, he's signing them a big contract 3776 03:25:10.120 --> 03:25:13.920 to keep them from jumping. Okay, eventually they all miss 3777 03:25:13.959 --> 03:25:15.920 a payday, they miss a check and get pissed. But 3778 03:25:16.440 --> 03:25:18.120 it's a cash flow issue. Vince's healthy. 3779 03:25:18.760 --> 03:25:21.719 I just always wonder, like, if you've got all these 3780 03:25:21.760 --> 03:25:25.520 money issues, why are you fucking spending money putting a 3781 03:25:26.360 --> 03:25:27.680 lettering on the fucking man? 3782 03:25:27.840 --> 03:25:28.000 Yeah? 3783 03:25:28.440 --> 03:25:32.799 Super Karna by Das gets by, Saboo gets too. Yeah, 3784 03:25:32.840 --> 03:25:35.840 those things were like, I'm pretty cheap. They would they 3785 03:25:35.840 --> 03:25:36.639 would always. 3786 03:25:38.360 --> 03:25:39.799 Oh wow. 3787 03:25:39.959 --> 03:25:42.600 The run attempt in the ring, Taz caught him and 3788 03:25:42.840 --> 03:25:44.159 sat out with a big power. 3789 03:25:43.920 --> 03:25:47.360 Bomb that's called the Brijole bombs. 3790 03:25:49.399 --> 03:25:50.760 The thing about pay per view back then is you 3791 03:25:50.760 --> 03:25:52.319 would have a budget and you would know how many 3792 03:25:52.399 --> 03:25:54.520 buys you did, but it would take you like six 3793 03:25:54.639 --> 03:25:57.840 months to get all the money. So it's like you're 3794 03:25:57.840 --> 03:26:00.639 doing these things like, Okay, we did a prop fitable program, 3795 03:26:00.799 --> 03:26:02.799 we did a profitable series of angles. This is great, 3796 03:26:02.879 --> 03:26:05.120 but like the money wouldn't hit the books in a 3797 03:26:05.200 --> 03:26:08.079 predictable way at all, and sometimes the numbers would change. 3798 03:26:08.840 --> 03:26:10.920 You know, you'd book thinking this worked and didn't based 3799 03:26:10.959 --> 03:26:14.120 on the preliminary buy rate estimates, and then they would change. 3800 03:26:14.159 --> 03:26:17.079 It's like, okay, actually that didn't work. It's too late 3801 03:26:17.159 --> 03:26:19.600 now we already proceeded to say as if it did. 3802 03:26:22.719 --> 03:26:23.200 Hyena. 3803 03:26:25.079 --> 03:26:25.920 I just heard. 3804 03:26:27.440 --> 03:26:30.280 That was a big part of the deal with the 3805 03:26:31.920 --> 03:26:34.040 the ben want Jericho going over Triple H and Steve 3806 03:26:34.079 --> 03:26:36.040 Austin in two thousand and one. I remember that whole thing, 3807 03:26:36.760 --> 03:26:40.120 that there was a by rate that had come in 3808 03:26:40.760 --> 03:26:42.840 for a Austin and Triple H headline pay per view, 3809 03:26:42.920 --> 03:26:46.239 probably the innertake of Cane one after WrestleMania. Yes, and 3810 03:26:46.319 --> 03:26:48.639 it was preliminary, but Vin saw the number. It said, 3811 03:26:48.639 --> 03:26:50.200 this isn't working. We got to do something different. We 3812 03:26:50.239 --> 03:26:53.079 got to make new baby face stars, building around Austin 3813 03:26:53.120 --> 03:26:56.079 and Triple H is this heel tech super tac taste, 3814 03:26:56.680 --> 03:26:59.559 And so they immediately launched the plan to have Jericho 3815 03:26:59.600 --> 03:27:02.399 and ben Wan go over in that incredible match or 3816 03:27:02.399 --> 03:27:05.440 Triple H towards Squad or Rock Yeah, and then I 3817 03:27:05.479 --> 03:27:10.120 went hi minute Saboo outside in close for oh Jesus 3818 03:27:13.200 --> 03:27:16.639 for the slingshot power bomb overshot. There's not enough room 3819 03:27:16.680 --> 03:27:18.840 between the rail and the and the apron for seven 3820 03:27:18.879 --> 03:27:21.879 to get his feet over. The row just sits down 3821 03:27:21.920 --> 03:27:25.120 and lets himself crashed down because the script called for 3822 03:27:25.200 --> 03:27:28.479 a near fall on the floor at this juncture. So anyway, 3823 03:27:28.520 --> 03:27:31.680 by the time the new adjusted numbers come in, they 3824 03:27:31.719 --> 03:27:34.079 weren't nearly as bad as Vince thought they were. They 3825 03:27:34.120 --> 03:27:37.559 were so that's why he abandoned the Jericho ben Wah 3826 03:27:37.600 --> 03:27:41.120 push no kidding, and why Austin is beating both of 3827 03:27:41.159 --> 03:27:42.479 them in a triple threat at King of the Ring. 3828 03:27:43.000 --> 03:27:43.319 Wow. 3829 03:27:46.239 --> 03:27:49.120 Big move there, table bridge in the corner of the rail. 3830 03:27:49.319 --> 03:27:52.719 Saboo jumps from the top with a splash, putting tags 3831 03:27:52.799 --> 03:27:56.159 through the table and gets two on the cement. Here 3832 03:27:56.280 --> 03:28:02.239 Saboo here living dangerously. They're living, dang boss coming soon. 3833 03:28:02.319 --> 03:28:05.159 I'm sorry what the year of Living Dangerously coming coming soon. 3834 03:28:05.680 --> 03:28:09.200 Maybe maybe that's it. That's definitely where poly dangerously got 3835 03:28:09.239 --> 03:28:09.760 his name from. 3836 03:28:12.280 --> 03:28:15.680 That's where from the movie. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, are 3837 03:28:15.680 --> 03:28:16.239 you serious? 3838 03:28:16.600 --> 03:28:16.920 I am? 3839 03:28:17.879 --> 03:28:18.159 Wow. 3840 03:28:19.239 --> 03:28:23.680 If that's the case, then yes, is there a character 3841 03:28:23.799 --> 03:28:26.159 in that movie with a brick cell phone. 3842 03:28:32.079 --> 03:28:34.959 Back in Saboo with an Arabian facebuster using a chair 3843 03:28:35.840 --> 03:28:38.920 on Tessa's face covered by Saboo gets to dope. 3844 03:28:39.440 --> 03:28:40.239 Outside the ring. 3845 03:28:42.319 --> 03:28:47.440 I mean that's the one, right, Okay, Yeah, this is 3846 03:28:47.520 --> 03:28:55.399 the one that movie is known for. Uh, a woman 3847 03:28:56.760 --> 03:29:08.319 playing a man like legitimately Tasplex driving It's yeah, Plex 3848 03:29:08.360 --> 03:29:13.040 gets I mean, that's a weird I guess that makes 3849 03:29:13.040 --> 03:29:15.239 sense living dangerously and all, but that's it's a weird 3850 03:29:16.239 --> 03:29:20.319 movie to fucking fancy about that inspire an. 3851 03:29:20.200 --> 03:29:23.239 E c W pay per view triple Jump Loon Salt by. 3852 03:29:23.159 --> 03:29:35.319 Sabo hit his head on the chair, Holy ship the 3853 03:29:35.520 --> 03:29:38.520 triple Yump Moon Salt. What are you thinking of this 3854 03:29:38.600 --> 03:29:39.319 one so far? Head? 3855 03:29:39.360 --> 03:29:43.840 Non Tasplex. Look, I'll say this is probably one of the. 3856 03:29:45.520 --> 03:29:52.520 The better matches overall that we've seen, not just in 3857 03:29:53.319 --> 03:29:55.760 not just with Saboo, but in terms of v c 3858 03:29:56.000 --> 03:29:56.719 W altogether. 3859 03:29:58.040 --> 03:30:01.239 Yeah, it's just different. It's it's not a it's not 3860 03:30:01.319 --> 03:30:03.600 a match you'd replay often. But they had these kind 3861 03:30:03.639 --> 03:30:05.319 of matches as often as they had the crazy you 3862 03:30:05.399 --> 03:30:09.000 know weapons bests, triple jump, leg drop by Sabo with 3863 03:30:09.040 --> 03:30:14.760 a rotation covers, task gets too, not enough, sab on 3864 03:30:14.840 --> 03:30:18.040 cork and all kinds of aerial offense. Here the DCW 3865 03:30:18.200 --> 03:30:23.360 title on the line. One more time, Taz and Sabu 3866 03:30:23.440 --> 03:30:24.000 one on one and. 3867 03:30:25.040 --> 03:30:27.399 But you know again, idiot, you're doing this with a 3868 03:30:27.479 --> 03:30:30.680 fucking broken jaw, dude, and he took. 3869 03:30:30.959 --> 03:30:33.040 It's almost like he relished when he got hurt, because 3870 03:30:33.079 --> 03:30:35.440 that was a chance to create another legendary story about 3871 03:30:35.440 --> 03:30:37.239 how quickly he came back or how he taped it 3872 03:30:37.319 --> 03:30:38.639 shut or whatever the fuck he did. 3873 03:30:40.360 --> 03:30:40.920 The right hands. 3874 03:30:40.959 --> 03:30:48.840 Taz steps up release supplex, I was gonna perch Sabo 3875 03:30:48.920 --> 03:30:49.719 and launch him from there. 3876 03:30:49.920 --> 03:30:54.600 Tazplex right when that one TASPLEXI. He called them all taskboxes. Yeah, 3877 03:30:55.520 --> 03:31:01.559 metal rope had an arm overhead and the jaw Jesus 3878 03:31:01.639 --> 03:31:07.040 holding it in place for the industry. Yeah, Caz crawls 3879 03:31:07.079 --> 03:31:09.200 over ladder press still only gets two. 3880 03:31:10.959 --> 03:31:19.120 God Saboo now wrestling on instinct cladding through what must 3881 03:31:19.200 --> 03:31:23.600 be excruciating pain, shooting through his face, prestling with a 3882 03:31:23.760 --> 03:31:26.440 fractured jaw, my toy from his mouth. 3883 03:31:26.680 --> 03:31:35.239 Indeed just keeps coming. He refuses to be He's got 3884 03:31:35.319 --> 03:31:37.120 a clucks up from the table. 3885 03:31:38.319 --> 03:31:42.760 Oh boy, right hands table set up in the corner, 3886 03:31:43.120 --> 03:31:51.520 full dousand, No dragon suplex, Oh my god, fold Saboo 3887 03:31:51.639 --> 03:31:56.079 on his head, no chance to protect his neck. Table 3888 03:31:56.120 --> 03:31:58.920 bridge from the corner snapped in half. Whine that was 3889 03:31:58.959 --> 03:32:02.840 a huge Taz Sabo spot. Sabu's dead, He's splayed out 3890 03:32:02.879 --> 03:32:06.399 one two still kicks out. That's wild. 3891 03:32:06.959 --> 03:32:08.440 I think they had done that at the top of 3892 03:32:08.479 --> 03:32:12.239 the year at the Arena two in it reinjured Sabu's 3893 03:32:12.319 --> 03:32:15.920 neck when they did that. There's a more famous dragon 3894 03:32:16.000 --> 03:32:19.000 suplex in a corner table spot that you'll see from 3895 03:32:19.040 --> 03:32:20.280 the ECW analyst. 3896 03:32:22.159 --> 03:32:24.120 And now there it is. Taboo has the towel from 3897 03:32:24.200 --> 03:32:27.559 Phonsie while Taz locks in the Taz mission. Sabo throws 3898 03:32:27.600 --> 03:32:31.520 the table away, the sorry, the towel away. Ta's trying 3899 03:32:31.520 --> 03:32:37.000 to sink the hooks. Sabo's trapped hands up once twice 3900 03:32:37.360 --> 03:32:41.440 replay barely legal perhaps now this time Sabo keeps the 3901 03:32:41.559 --> 03:32:47.760 arm up. Taz is leg entwined in the loose fabric 3902 03:32:47.840 --> 03:32:50.239 of Sabu's pants. But it looks like Sabo's passed out 3903 03:32:50.440 --> 03:32:54.159 with the bad jaw too, right, Yeah, hand twice, hand 3904 03:32:54.239 --> 03:32:55.440 three times there it is. 3905 03:32:57.920 --> 03:32:58.200 Wow. 3906 03:32:58.719 --> 03:33:02.440 Sabu falls to tag in their last big one on 3907 03:33:02.559 --> 03:33:04.120 one collision in the A C W ring. 3908 03:33:09.639 --> 03:33:11.040 But Taz was leaving, wasn't me? 3909 03:33:11.719 --> 03:33:13.719 Several months later? I think this was the spring he 3910 03:33:13.719 --> 03:33:14.879 would leave them in September. 3911 03:33:15.479 --> 03:33:15.879 He lost it. 3912 03:33:16.360 --> 03:33:19.120 He didn't know yet then, not really. No, I'm sure 3913 03:33:19.159 --> 03:33:21.280 the gears were somewhat in motion, but. 3914 03:33:23.040 --> 03:33:27.280 Sabu did not have to be choked out. Bill Alphonse, 3915 03:33:27.280 --> 03:33:30.120 who had thrown in the towel, he could have told 3916 03:33:30.239 --> 03:33:33.639 jimbala O, yes, go ahead, stop. 3917 03:33:33.399 --> 03:33:35.040 The match, but he didn't. 3918 03:33:37.000 --> 03:33:38.879 Yeah. If I were fucking Bill Alfons, I'll beat the 3919 03:33:38.879 --> 03:33:40.639 ship out of Sabo for that. 3920 03:33:48.639 --> 03:33:50.360 U give me a. 3921 03:33:50.440 --> 03:33:54.799 File by life. Look at me, man, look at me. 3922 03:33:56.639 --> 03:34:00.159 I ain't told you, m. 3923 03:34:05.280 --> 03:34:05.959 I didn't. 3924 03:34:08.639 --> 03:34:08.799 Right. 3925 03:34:09.959 --> 03:34:11.280 I want to shake your hand. 3926 03:34:11.159 --> 03:34:25.159 To his jaws broke, Alfonso says, very reminiscent of Sabou 3927 03:34:25.239 --> 03:34:28.159 forcing himself up to shake fandamn soon after the talk out. 3928 03:34:29.079 --> 03:34:39.079 Shake my hand, shake my hand, Sabu. 3929 03:34:38.760 --> 03:34:41.479 With a fork in his hand, both men on their 3930 03:34:41.559 --> 03:34:43.879 knees and the handshake. 3931 03:34:47.639 --> 03:34:49.440 Again. Crowd, you c W, crowd didn't want to see 3932 03:34:49.479 --> 03:34:55.920 them get along, but for the moment, respect on full display. 3933 03:35:00.040 --> 03:35:03.479 Anyway, shame me. 3934 03:35:03.520 --> 03:35:03.959 Of the world. 3935 03:35:04.520 --> 03:35:07.920 If the human supplex machine Taz. 3936 03:35:08.600 --> 03:35:12.360 Can wrap it there, for Taz and Saboo, and for 3937 03:35:12.440 --> 03:35:14.600 the reasons we outlined and that you heard and felt 3938 03:35:14.680 --> 03:35:17.799 here between Taz and Sabu, a real landmarked feud for 3939 03:35:18.799 --> 03:35:20.920 the heights CCW was able to reach, even just for 3940 03:35:21.040 --> 03:35:24.040 fleeting moments in time. Taz, all these years later, of course, 3941 03:35:24.120 --> 03:35:29.200 now leveraging the success and the impact that Sabu helped 3942 03:35:29.239 --> 03:35:32.319 him reach in the ECW ring to a WWF contract 3943 03:35:32.680 --> 03:35:35.040 and a run in the big leagues that helped him 3944 03:35:35.079 --> 03:35:38.120 translation transition from the ring to the announced position where 3945 03:35:38.120 --> 03:35:40.639 he's probably by this point made more money announcing and 3946 03:35:40.680 --> 03:35:42.120 wrestling than he ever did wrestling. 3947 03:35:42.799 --> 03:35:45.520 Yeah, the truth. That's a good point. 3948 03:35:45.920 --> 03:35:48.840 From WWF and then to TNA and then uh to 3949 03:35:49.000 --> 03:35:52.280 ae W, where the same Tony Kahan who witnessed Saboo 3950 03:35:52.399 --> 03:35:54.799 show out against Rob van Dam at the Arena as 3951 03:35:54.799 --> 03:35:58.520 a teenager now runs the entire second biggest wrestling company 3952 03:35:58.559 --> 03:36:01.520 in the in the world and was more than happy 3953 03:36:01.719 --> 03:36:05.399 to enlist Taz as part of his announced squad. And 3954 03:36:05.479 --> 03:36:08.399 it was in that seat Taz was sitting the week 3955 03:36:08.479 --> 03:36:11.520 that the news hit that Saboo had passed away at 3956 03:36:11.559 --> 03:36:13.879 the age of sixty one, and the cameras at appointed 3957 03:36:13.959 --> 03:36:17.360 moment during the course of the aw Dynamite broadcast that week, 3958 03:36:17.680 --> 03:36:19.440 panned over to Taz for these. 3959 03:36:19.399 --> 03:36:22.000 Words speaking of amazing. 3960 03:36:22.079 --> 03:36:26.159 Earlier this week, we lost one of the most amazing 3961 03:36:26.239 --> 03:36:31.840 professional wrestlers of his generation, Terry Brunk, known around the 3962 03:36:31.920 --> 03:36:38.000 world as Saboo, Tenay's competitor inside the ring, A true 3963 03:36:38.680 --> 03:36:42.840 pioneer of this sport. Saboo turned wrestling on its head, 3964 03:36:42.840 --> 03:36:45.639 and he did everything on his own term, and in 3965 03:36:45.799 --> 03:36:49.639 doing so, he influenced generations of professional wrestlers even yet 3966 03:36:49.719 --> 03:36:52.680 to come, and the legacy that he leaves is never 3967 03:36:52.760 --> 03:36:57.159 impossible to articulate. However, I am fortunate enough to work 3968 03:36:57.200 --> 03:37:00.319 with a man who had an unforgettable rivalry with Samoo, 3969 03:37:00.719 --> 03:37:03.040 a man whose career was intertwined. 3970 03:37:02.600 --> 03:37:03.920 With Saboo, none other than Taz. 3971 03:37:04.479 --> 03:37:06.840 I'm gonna try and do this the past yet, but uh, 3972 03:37:07.440 --> 03:37:09.639 this guy, he was a machine, you know, he was 3973 03:37:09.719 --> 03:37:13.520 a machine. His work ethic was off the chalks, his 3974 03:37:13.719 --> 03:37:19.200 presence was always amazing, his energy was friggin infectious, and 3975 03:37:19.280 --> 03:37:22.280 when I wrestled him, every time he brought the best 3976 03:37:22.319 --> 03:37:22.600 out of me. 3977 03:37:22.719 --> 03:37:27.559 You know, Saboo was Aura before Aura was Aura before 3978 03:37:27.680 --> 03:37:28.520 Aura was cool. 3979 03:37:28.600 --> 03:37:29.719 That's what this man was. 3980 03:37:30.040 --> 03:37:33.000 And behind the curtain, I promise you he was loved 3981 03:37:33.120 --> 03:37:34.520 by his peers worldwide. 3982 03:37:35.280 --> 03:37:37.360 I'm gonna miss your brother, I love. 3983 03:37:37.239 --> 03:37:40.280 You, Taz to Sabo. 3984 03:37:40.680 --> 03:37:42.920 Yeah, and it wouldn't be much of a transition out 3985 03:37:42.959 --> 03:37:44.319 of the moment we just watched at the top of 3986 03:37:44.440 --> 03:37:48.159 nineteen ninety nine for Saboo as he tried to find 3987 03:37:48.200 --> 03:37:52.079 his way in the the bicameral Wrestling Wars of the 3988 03:37:52.360 --> 03:37:54.600 late nineties. The attitude era in full swing here, but 3989 03:37:54.719 --> 03:37:57.920 it didn't find a place for the homicidal and the 3990 03:37:58.040 --> 03:38:01.159 suicidal one. And it was all do really to the 3991 03:38:01.280 --> 03:38:04.840 nature of the contracts that Paul Haymond was handing out 3992 03:38:04.840 --> 03:38:06.639 at DCW, trying to lock up talent so that he 3993 03:38:06.680 --> 03:38:09.120 didn't lose them all to the big two groups. And 3994 03:38:10.399 --> 03:38:12.520 when it came time for WW to come knocking again, 3995 03:38:12.600 --> 03:38:15.360 seeking to secure the services of Sabu at a time 3996 03:38:15.399 --> 03:38:18.000 that they were handing out fat contracts, I mean high 3997 03:38:18.079 --> 03:38:20.680 six figures, oh god, kind of money, Saboo. You know, 3998 03:38:21.479 --> 03:38:24.239 it would just basically always negotiate on one off pay days, 3999 03:38:24.280 --> 03:38:26.280 you know, five hundred here or two grand here, four 4000 03:38:26.360 --> 03:38:26.799 grand here. 4001 03:38:27.399 --> 03:38:27.520 Uh. 4002 03:38:27.920 --> 03:38:29.920 Never even thought about his wrestling career as much as 4003 03:38:29.920 --> 03:38:32.719 he was doing and contributing as something that you got, like, 4004 03:38:32.760 --> 03:38:35.319 you know, a guaranteed annual income off of never saw 4005 03:38:35.360 --> 03:38:38.280 anything like the pay structure that World Championship Wrestling in 4006 03:38:38.360 --> 03:38:41.840 particular was bringing in the late nineteen nineties. Found found 4007 03:38:41.840 --> 03:38:44.280 a little bit of opening with Kevin Sullivan kind of 4008 03:38:44.280 --> 03:38:47.399 consolidating some control on the booking side. But Sabu had 4009 03:38:47.440 --> 03:38:50.000 his detractors in the w W political offices as well, 4010 03:38:50.399 --> 03:38:51.920 and just as it seemed like they were closing in 4011 03:38:52.000 --> 03:38:55.399 on a contract, it suddenly didn't happen for him. Here's 4012 03:38:55.479 --> 03:38:58.159 Terry Funk, a longtime advocate of course for Saboo, as 4013 03:38:58.200 --> 03:39:01.639 we've already heard, talking about how that all went down, 4014 03:39:01.680 --> 03:39:04.520 and how as much reverence as Terry Funk has free CW, 4015 03:39:05.079 --> 03:39:08.680 as everybody knows, this was the one that was too 4016 03:39:08.760 --> 03:39:09.360 far for him. 4017 03:39:11.159 --> 03:39:20.600 Some of the things that PAULI did, I somewhat I 4018 03:39:20.719 --> 03:39:25.479 can't say condemn him for it, but some of the 4019 03:39:25.600 --> 03:39:27.600 things he did were. 4020 03:39:31.040 --> 03:39:31.879 I wouldn't have done. 4021 03:39:32.440 --> 03:39:35.280 I wouldn't have The one thing that I am talking 4022 03:39:35.319 --> 03:39:39.600 about in particular is the Samboo thing down there, because 4023 03:39:39.639 --> 03:39:42.520 I talked to Kevin and they had him with a 4024 03:39:42.600 --> 03:39:48.239 wonderful contract, and then Pollie stepped in. And I'll tell 4025 03:39:48.319 --> 03:39:52.120 Polly that for his things, tell him that Tomorrow stepped 4026 03:39:52.120 --> 03:39:54.440 in on it and stopped it, you know. 4027 03:39:54.520 --> 03:39:55.040 And I don't. 4028 03:39:55.879 --> 03:39:58.200 Maybe feelings were bad, and it was tough in the 4029 03:39:58.280 --> 03:40:03.040 lawsuits going back and fourth and everything, but I think 4030 03:40:03.120 --> 03:40:08.079 PAULI should have allowed him to make that move at that. 4031 03:40:08.159 --> 03:40:12.280 Time, blocked by Polly. 4032 03:40:13.719 --> 03:40:15.520 Quite the move for someone who we heard at the 4033 03:40:15.600 --> 03:40:17.840 very top of our TLF tribute talk about how Sabu 4034 03:40:17.959 --> 03:40:19.959 was the one guy who never got the money out 4035 03:40:20.000 --> 03:40:21.040 of wrestling that he was owed. 4036 03:40:21.120 --> 03:40:24.479 Huh, that he deserved? Yeah, and yeah he took pains. 4037 03:40:24.559 --> 03:40:26.959 Did Polly in that commentary to say that a lot 4038 03:40:27.000 --> 03:40:30.159 of that limited opportunity and lack of capitalization of opportunity 4039 03:40:30.239 --> 03:40:33.920 was due to Sabu's own making. But one wonders if 4040 03:40:33.959 --> 03:40:36.799 Taboo really had to be prevented from signing with World 4041 03:40:36.879 --> 03:40:40.680 Championship Wrestling in nineteen ninety nine two thousand. We closed 4042 03:40:40.719 --> 03:40:43.600 this chapter in our TLF tribute to Sabu with the 4043 03:40:43.639 --> 03:40:47.399 following passage from his book. This is pretty much the extinguishing, 4044 03:40:48.079 --> 03:40:49.879 or at least it seemed to be the extinguishing of 4045 03:40:49.959 --> 03:40:52.319 Sabu finding a way to make the big bucks that 4046 03:40:52.479 --> 03:40:55.719 was slashing around at the time. I mean, Raven went 4047 03:40:55.760 --> 03:41:00.559 to ww Stevie Recharch went to ww We had sand As. 4048 03:41:00.520 --> 03:41:03.840 Hack and w Steps. My mom went to wwkey. 4049 03:41:03.280 --> 03:41:06.639 Ripwreck got a six figure guaranteed contract. W STY you 4050 03:41:06.680 --> 03:41:09.200 at this time and you can't find a place for Saboo. 4051 03:41:10.760 --> 03:41:13.120 A few years later, I was called again by WCW 4052 03:41:13.319 --> 03:41:15.280 during the Monday Night Wars. It seemed that they had 4053 03:41:15.360 --> 03:41:16.959 changed their minds about me and they were ready to 4054 03:41:17.040 --> 03:41:19.680 offer me a real contract. Come nineteen ninety nine, I 4055 03:41:19.760 --> 03:41:21.799 flew up to meet with JJ Dillon and Kevin Sullivan 4056 03:41:21.879 --> 03:41:24.159 in Atlanta. When I got to the Ramada NN near 4057 03:41:24.200 --> 03:41:26.000 the airport, someone showed me to the room where Kevin 4058 03:41:26.040 --> 03:41:28.280 Sullivan was, but he wasn't with JJ. He was in 4059 03:41:28.360 --> 03:41:30.079 there with a bunch of guys that I never saw before. 4060 03:41:30.399 --> 03:41:32.200 When Kevin saw me at the door. He quickly ushered 4061 03:41:32.239 --> 03:41:33.719 me out of the room, hoping that the others hadn't 4062 03:41:33.719 --> 03:41:36.200 seen me. No, no, no, Kevin said, as we ran 4063 03:41:36.239 --> 03:41:40.399 out of the room. Look saboo, he said, all nervously, 4064 03:41:40.479 --> 03:41:42.360 pushing papers into my hands. I need you to wait 4065 03:41:42.399 --> 03:41:44.120 in this other room and just sign this contract as 4066 03:41:44.159 --> 03:41:46.920 soon as possible. Oh my god, what's going on in there? 4067 03:41:46.959 --> 03:41:49.360 I asked, laughing a little at the top secret urgency 4068 03:41:49.399 --> 03:41:51.280 that was going down, flipping through the pages he was 4069 03:41:51.319 --> 03:41:54.639 pushing into my hands. I can't really say, but I 4070 03:41:54.840 --> 03:41:56.639 just can't have them see you. It will mess everything up, 4071 03:41:56.719 --> 03:41:59.120 Kevin said, having my back. Now, just sign that and 4072 03:41:59.200 --> 03:42:01.440 I'll be back over a little bit now. I had 4073 03:42:01.479 --> 03:42:03.360 looked around the room, and the only person I've been 4074 03:42:03.399 --> 03:42:07.760 recognized in there besides Kevin Sullivan was Terry Taylor. I 4075 03:42:07.879 --> 03:42:10.360 assumed that he was the guy Kevin was sheltering me from, 4076 03:42:10.440 --> 03:42:12.680 but I really didn't know for sure. I figured whatever 4077 03:42:12.719 --> 03:42:15.600 it was, Kevin was looking out for my best interests. Baby, 4078 03:42:15.680 --> 03:42:17.719 Terry was kfabe from the contract offer and would have 4079 03:42:17.760 --> 03:42:19.440 tried to kill it. I don't know, but I followed 4080 03:42:19.479 --> 03:42:22.760 Kevin's lead. Thanks, I said, shaking his hand Kevin stepped 4081 03:42:22.760 --> 03:42:24.799 back out of the room. I sat back in my seat, 4082 03:42:24.840 --> 03:42:26.760 and whoever's hotel room it was that he sat me 4083 03:42:26.799 --> 03:42:28.520 in for shelter, and that is when I saw the 4084 03:42:28.559 --> 03:42:31.520 biggest numbers in my life ever meant for me. They 4085 03:42:31.600 --> 03:42:35.879 were offering two point five million for three years. 4086 03:42:36.559 --> 03:42:36.879 Wow. 4087 03:42:37.799 --> 03:42:40.040 Think about that in two thousand ninety nine. On top 4088 03:42:40.079 --> 03:42:42.920 of it, that's wild, not counting pay per views and 4089 03:42:42.959 --> 03:42:46.239 rental cars. This was a game changer, life changing money. 4090 03:42:46.479 --> 03:42:48.440 It was finally a dream come true deal for me. 4091 03:42:48.760 --> 03:42:50.440 I wanted to tell my mother about it first, and 4092 03:42:50.479 --> 03:42:51.959 then fully intended to sign in the morning. 4093 03:42:52.280 --> 03:42:52.959 The door opened. 4094 03:42:53.159 --> 03:42:56.200 Did you sign it yet, a frantic Kelvin Kevin Sullivan said, 4095 03:42:56.280 --> 03:42:58.159 entering the room. Yep, I will, I said, I just 4096 03:42:58.200 --> 03:42:59.879 want to run up by someone first, but I'll have 4097 03:42:59.959 --> 03:43:02.440 it to you the first thing in the morning. No, no, no, 4098 03:43:02.600 --> 03:43:05.360 he said, just sign it, sign it now. Kevin rushed 4099 03:43:05.399 --> 03:43:07.600 back out of the room. The reason I didn't sign 4100 03:43:07.639 --> 03:43:09.600 it was that I really wanted to read the wording 4101 03:43:09.639 --> 03:43:11.760 over with my mom, who was good at that. I 4102 03:43:11.840 --> 03:43:13.920 took the paperwork with me back to my hotel. I 4103 03:43:14.040 --> 03:43:16.040 called her. I learned she had been having some serious 4104 03:43:16.040 --> 03:43:18.319 health issues that needed addressing before going over it. I 4105 03:43:18.399 --> 03:43:20.399 made those calls. Then we went over the paperwork. It 4106 03:43:20.479 --> 03:43:23.639 looked good. I called WCW back. Maybe six hours later. 4107 03:43:24.040 --> 03:43:26.280 I reached JJ Dillon and I told him, Hey, JJ, 4108 03:43:26.719 --> 03:43:32.280 I'm signing it right now. I'm sorry, sabou. Oh it's 4109 03:43:32.319 --> 03:43:35.200 too late, he said, what wait? 4110 03:43:35.319 --> 03:43:35.760 Too late? 4111 03:43:37.040 --> 03:43:41.159 We will be sued for tampering with a contract. I 4112 03:43:41.239 --> 03:43:43.920 can't have you sign it now, he said, Paul Hayman 4113 03:43:44.000 --> 03:43:47.520 is threatening contract tampering. He threatened us, and TBS took 4114 03:43:47.520 --> 03:43:50.440 the offer off the table. Oh, but he breached a 4115 03:43:50.479 --> 03:43:52.879 contract with me, I said, not believing my ears, he 4116 03:43:53.000 --> 03:43:56.399 wasn't paying me and broke our contract. I'm sorry, Terry, 4117 03:43:56.520 --> 03:43:59.639 JJ said, my hands are tied out of everything in 4118 03:43:59.680 --> 03:44:02.559 my career. My one real regret is not signing that 4119 03:44:02.639 --> 03:44:05.000 big contract with WCW the moment they put it in 4120 03:44:05.079 --> 03:44:07.239 front of me. I should have just listened to Kevin. 4121 03:44:07.920 --> 03:44:10.239 The following year, WCW went out of business with sixty 4122 03:44:10.319 --> 03:44:13.319 million dollars in debt. It would have been sixty one 4123 03:44:13.479 --> 03:44:15.799 if I had signed in time. Warner would ever paid 4124 03:44:15.840 --> 03:44:18.159 it off in full. I don't know what happened. I 4125 03:44:18.200 --> 03:44:20.040 don't see how Paul Hamond even knew I was talking 4126 03:44:20.120 --> 03:44:22.079 with them. I guess I can only fathom the worst. 4127 03:44:22.280 --> 03:44:25.000 Terry Taylor was the only guy I knew in that room, 4128 03:44:25.079 --> 03:44:28.000 and he had to have stooged me out to ECW 4129 03:44:28.319 --> 03:44:31.719 otherwise it just doesn't add up. You may ask why, Well, 4130 03:44:32.239 --> 03:44:34.159 I don't exactly know, but I do know Terry was 4131 03:44:34.200 --> 03:44:36.159 old school. He always tried to give me advice, but 4132 03:44:36.239 --> 03:44:38.360 I never took it. Whenever Terry Taylor was around me 4133 03:44:38.399 --> 03:44:39.840 in the past, he acted like he was above me 4134 03:44:39.920 --> 03:44:41.920 and acted like he should be teaching me. I'd been 4135 03:44:41.959 --> 03:44:43.639 around the business just as long as he did, and 4136 03:44:43.719 --> 03:44:45.760 I didn't appreciate him treating me like a kid. I 4137 03:44:45.840 --> 03:44:48.319 eventually had words with him and on that talking down 4138 03:44:48.399 --> 03:44:50.799 to me, and I think I heard his ego because 4139 03:44:50.840 --> 03:44:52.719 of our talk. I think he hated me and everything 4140 03:44:52.760 --> 03:44:54.719 I stood for so much that he just wrecked my 4141 03:44:54.799 --> 03:44:57.399 opportunity because he knew that he could. He was the 4142 03:44:57.479 --> 03:44:59.000 only one in the room that I recognized. 4143 03:44:59.319 --> 03:45:00.360 The rest know me. 4144 03:45:00.760 --> 03:45:02.840 I didn't know for sure, but I really think it 4145 03:45:02.959 --> 03:45:07.559 was him. Unfortunately, I never got another contract opportunity like 4146 03:45:07.639 --> 03:45:12.040 that again. And now, as he wrote this book, probably 4147 03:45:12.079 --> 03:45:17.680 won't Sabu and the contributions he made through the end 4148 03:45:17.719 --> 03:45:20.520 of the Attitude era. But it wasn't like he wouldn't 4149 03:45:20.520 --> 03:45:23.440 get absolutely zero chances with some of the big national 4150 03:45:23.479 --> 03:45:25.799 wrestling offices, just not at a time when they were 4151 03:45:25.799 --> 03:45:28.360 handing out money like candy. It would have to come 4152 03:45:28.479 --> 03:45:34.040 later when World Wrestling Entertainment saw fit despite turning their 4153 03:45:34.120 --> 03:45:37.840 nose up at Saboo and the whole ECW concept. Is 4154 03:45:37.879 --> 03:45:40.239 it invaded raw in nineteen ninety seven, or has he 4155 03:45:40.319 --> 03:45:43.639 got a dark match as mentioned in nineteen ninety three, 4156 03:45:43.840 --> 03:45:46.000 or as he made appearances on Nitro in nineteen ninety five, 4157 03:45:46.120 --> 03:45:49.600 Come two thousand and five, two thousand and six, All 4158 03:45:49.639 --> 03:45:51.680 of a sudden, after the release of The Rise and 4159 03:45:51.719 --> 03:45:55.479 Fall of ECW on home video, ECW had Cachet again 4160 03:45:55.520 --> 03:45:59.520 in the corners of Titan Towers in Stanford, Connecticut, and 4161 03:45:59.600 --> 03:46:03.639 Sabo would get a call from the E and it 4162 03:46:03.639 --> 03:46:06.520 would lead to the beginning of the end of his 4163 03:46:06.719 --> 03:46:09.920 career and life story. That next time, as we conclude 4164 03:46:10.079 --> 03:46:13.120 the t LF tribute to Sabu, will see you then,