Speaker 1: Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is
Speaker 1: another episode of a Spooky Tales, a podcast for all
Speaker 1: things spooky, paranormal, scary, and true crime. Sometimes not all
Speaker 1: the time, sometimes true crime. Sometimes yeahs no maservices, there
Speaker 1: was Sando. Today, Carmen has some stories about Elchado and
Speaker 1: I ove already shared the legend of Ilchadro, but that
Speaker 1: was just the legend. Now we have sightings, people that
Speaker 1: saw him, actually saw him. Yeah. And then I have
Speaker 1: a very depressing topic. It was requested though it was
Speaker 1: on my list of things to do when I was
Speaker 1: emotionally ready, and then I was like, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to be emotionally ready. So here we are. I will
Speaker 1: be covering the twenty nineteen El Paso shooting. I can't
Speaker 1: believe that was twenty nineteen. That feels like so long ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it was. No, it feels like
Speaker 1: so long ago. But at the same time that ago, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah. And then for those that, like
Speaker 1: you know, hate political commentary, it is literally impossible to
Speaker 1: mention this case and not bring up politics because of
Speaker 1: what it inspired the person that did this horrible thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is that everything is political. Every
Speaker 1: single one of our choices, whether we realize it or not,
Speaker 1: is political. So it is what it is. Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: and so it's going to happen when we're discussing this case.
Speaker 1: And also I am gonna cry. Okay, yeah, yeah. And
Speaker 1: then before all that, we have a listener story. If
Speaker 1: you have a story that you want to send into
Speaker 1: the podcast, you can email spookyitos at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: You can DM us on any of the socials discord.
Speaker 1: That's another one. You can call the Spooky hotline. You
Speaker 1: know what, next time I'm going to grabble one from
Speaker 1: the Spooky hot line. Yeah, next time, not today, it's
Speaker 1: too late, right, there's a few in there, Yes, so
Speaker 1: you can call that number. It's in the show notes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways to get us these stories,
Speaker 1: and we will read every single one of them. We
Speaker 1: love receiving them. And okay, I think we're ready. So
Speaker 1: this listener story comes from Teresa. It was the end
Speaker 1: of the school year and the sixth grade classes go
Speaker 1: on a camping trip for a weekend. I didn't go,
Speaker 1: and neither did three of my classmates. We instead got
Speaker 1: to spend the friday in the fifth grade class with
Speaker 1: minimal supervision. We were just sitting in the back doing
Speaker 1: whatever my friend will call her. Chrissy suggested we make
Speaker 1: our own spirit board and attempt to conjure up a
Speaker 1: spirit in class. Okay, yeah, but to be fair with
Speaker 1: the last day, you know what I mean, don't care care,
Speaker 1: She says. She played with a makeshift Wuiji board with
Speaker 1: her siblings and they spoke allegedly to Georgia Washington, not
Speaker 1: George Washington. I thought that was silly, but I was
Speaker 1: okay with trying to talk to a ghost. Chrissy gave
Speaker 1: instructions to our peers, we'll call them Pam and Jim.
Speaker 1: She told Pam she would be the one to write
Speaker 1: the letters down I guess to decipher what the board says,
Speaker 1: and that Jim and I were to have a finger
Speaker 1: on the makeshift plan sheet, which ended up being a quarter,
Speaker 1: and she would be conducting the stands. Chrissy scribbled a
Speaker 1: mixshift spirit board on a notebook paper. Following Chrissy's instructions,
Speaker 1: Jim and I put a finger on the quarter, moved
Speaker 1: it around the paper in a circle before bringing it
Speaker 1: into the middle, and asked if anyone was there now,
Speaker 1: maybe because our plan sheet was a quarter and geomagnetic fields,
Speaker 1: but I felt like there was a bubble between my
Speaker 1: finger and the quarter. It moves a little, but we
Speaker 1: got no response. Only Christy was disappointed with that. Then
Speaker 1: she told us to ask for a spirit by name. Pam.
Speaker 1: Jim and myself couldn't think of any dead people we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to. Maybe it's the only like, so,
Speaker 1: what is it New Girl where she's no bones? Sorry,
Speaker 1: there's an episode of Bones where Zoe Deschanel comes on
Speaker 1: and she's a cousin of Bones and in the episode,
Speaker 1: people keep saying how they look like and they must
Speaker 1: be sisters and they're like, no, we're just like very
Speaker 1: distant cousins. Oh my, Zoe Dechanelle's character is obsessed with
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin, really, and that's what this has given me,
Speaker 1: that Chrissy is obsessed with George Washington in the way
Speaker 1: that Zoey Deschanel was obsessed with Benjamin Franklin in the episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: Christy suggested George Washington, and so we tried again and
Speaker 1: asked if George Washington was there. The quarter moved to know.
Speaker 1: Pam didn't want to continue to find out who or
Speaker 1: what moved the quarter and that it's okay to stop.
Speaker 1: I feel you, I feel you. That would be me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jim and I said goodbye, and Chrissy threw away our
Speaker 1: makeshifts very board. We spent the rest of the day
Speaker 1: quietly doing nothing until the dismissal bell rank. I have
Speaker 1: another story from the sixth grade, but I have to
Speaker 1: type it out on my notes. People sharing well yesterday,
Speaker 1: I will be waiting for your other story from the
Speaker 1: sixth grade. We will be. I wonder who was there
Speaker 1: if it wasn't George Washington. Well, they didn't stick around
Speaker 1: to find out. And that's the end of their horror movie.
Speaker 1: And I support that. I do. You know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: just you just got to stop before it turns into
Speaker 1: horror movies, and stop while you're ahead, as your fifth
Speaker 1: grade teacher would often tell you, because you were annoying, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I was. And I don't blame her now. Back then,
Speaker 1: I did, I think you get it? Yeah, I get
Speaker 1: it now. I was. Yeah, I was the worst. I
Speaker 1: do want to say, do you remember our sixth grade? No,
Speaker 1: it was in sixth grade? Well we did go camping
Speaker 1: sixth grade. No, fifth grade we went when we were
Speaker 1: in the Lordessuerta. Yes, and then we had another campaign
Speaker 1: tent again in eighth grade at Lighthouse and two camping trips,
Speaker 1: fun good times. I remember being scared by the forest,
Speaker 1: but obviously I didn't see ada, but people were saying
Speaker 1: things like oh. They kept saying at night like I
Speaker 1: better remember specifics to you. No, probably that there was
Speaker 1: like a lady crying outside. I remember one girl was
Speaker 1: like having these night terrors. I don't remember her name anymore,
Speaker 1: but she I was in the bunk above her, and
Speaker 1: of course because I was in the book of fifth
Speaker 1: grade of her. Yeah, we were intent in eighth grade.
Speaker 1: And the other one we were in Kevin's. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: vaguely remember that too. Yeah, And she was like crying,
Speaker 1: poor girl, No, don't get and I took it through
Speaker 1: with like water at her. You did, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: because I was like stop, I'm trying to stop. She
Speaker 1: wasn't waking up, and everybody was like shaking home, like
Speaker 1: what do we do? And I was like move over,
Speaker 1: like you guys, this is taking too long. And I
Speaker 1: just like threw water at her and then she stamped
Speaker 1: out of it. Look at you and your leadership skills.
Speaker 1: Back then they really kicked in, They really did, so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend it. No, you know, it feels kind
Speaker 1: of mean. You did what you could with the information
Speaker 1: you had. Back then, you didn't know it wasn't okay
Speaker 1: to throw water at people. Okay, so let's move on
Speaker 1: with that dumb ass ship being said. Well, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick outbreak here. I were back, okay, so onto
Speaker 1: some chattel. I feel like it said that not double
Speaker 1: R you know how our family laughs at me. No, No,
Speaker 1: it was right, although they do. Yeah, they make fun
Speaker 1: of Carmen because sometimes she says battles and so little.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I feel like I could say in
Speaker 1: normal now. No, it's just like trauetized from that time framework.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't need to say double rs at all. Ever,
Speaker 1: so everything was gott instead of cattro. And yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just an embarrassing time for me. You can do
Speaker 1: it now, Yes, the concord remains anyway. So yeah, like
Speaker 1: Christina said, we did share the legend of Enchado Negro before,
Speaker 1: and I guess just briefly. The legend is that there
Speaker 1: was a man who came from a humble family, but
Speaker 1: he always you know, had the taste. Yeah, he he
Speaker 1: wanted more than he was like, no, his family could provide,
Speaker 1: what did she say? So that was this man and
Speaker 1: his parents you know, would give him whatever he wanted,
Speaker 1: but he wanted more and more and more, just like that,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, so you know, he got tired of being
Speaker 1: like you said, he hated it. Yeah, things took a
Speaker 1: dark turn when the parents passed away, and then you
Speaker 1: know there's nobody to give him money anymore. And really
Speaker 1: his problems would have been solved if he had just
Speaker 1: found like a shuga mama, but instead he found the
Speaker 1: devil and Diablos or Starry. He also could have worked.
Speaker 1: No that's not an option. That wasn't an option for him. No, no,
Speaker 1: not at all, right, and I support that. So then
Speaker 1: he summoned the devil for help. And the devil, you
Speaker 1: know how he does, he promised him money, lavishness. Well,
Speaker 1: he loves deals. Yeah. If there's one thing the devil loves,
Speaker 1: it's to make deals. Yeah, and of course this is
Speaker 1: always usually you know, in turn for your soul. So
Speaker 1: that's what a chattel did. He was like, yeah, my
Speaker 1: soul worth it's worth it, and I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: Who cares about that? So he agreed, and you know,
Speaker 1: he had all the the luxuries he could have. But
Speaker 1: then he actually had a change in heart and he
Speaker 1: found out that money, money doesn't buy happiness, and he
Speaker 1: became bored with his wealth. As he got older, you know,
Speaker 1: he regretted this. He came to have buyer's remorse, buyer's remorse,
Speaker 1: and he thought he could outsmart the devil, so he
Speaker 1: grabbed his you know, fastest horse and went into hiding.
Speaker 1: But the devil, being the devil, annoying everything, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't get ahead of him. Sometimes you can, though
Speaker 1: in some of the stories, but in Shuttle he couldn't.
Speaker 1: So the Devil's sense what was going on within Chattle's
Speaker 1: second thoughts, and before the deal was set to be over,
Speaker 1: just decided to take a soul, you know, before and
Speaker 1: Shuttle could outsmart him. Then in Chattle's flesh disappeared, his
Speaker 1: eyes turned into balls of fire, and he became a skeleton.
Speaker 1: The horse who had nothing to do with it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't his fault. He also was condemned, that poor horse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, then the devil made another deal within chattle,
Speaker 1: and he gave him a bag of gold coins and
Speaker 1: promised and Chattle that if he went after others who
Speaker 1: were in debt to him and got them to accept
Speaker 1: the bag of coins, then he would release a chattle
Speaker 1: and the spirit of the horse, and then he would
Speaker 1: take the spirit of somebody else. Someone would take his place,
Speaker 1: right right, the chatte agreed and that's the story. Okay,
Speaker 1: But apparently no one has agreed because he's still out
Speaker 1: here trying to collect. But what if it's someone else
Speaker 1: in his place, Like he's still dressed the same in everything,
Speaker 1: but it's not the original chattle with someone else. Oh
Speaker 1: you see, I thought it was the original chattle this
Speaker 1: whole time because he was dressed the same. But what
Speaker 1: if it's like the cloth doesn't change, but the okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like that guy. See I
Speaker 1: think we don't know? Then, yeah, we don't know, because
Speaker 1: in one of the stories they do accept the money. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So sightings, yeah tell us. One reported sighting comes out
Speaker 1: of La Colonia the Sunny Caesar, and was covered by
Speaker 1: the Mexican TV show Mexico and Lasse. According to the show,
Speaker 1: locals in the area believe that Chatto Negro appears by
Speaker 1: the Bidul tree in town every Friday at midnight. One
Speaker 1: report states that forty years ago a man claimed to
Speaker 1: have seen in Shadow at night, and according to the report,
Speaker 1: and Chado offered to give the man money, and no
Speaker 1: one knows if the man accepted the offer or not,
Speaker 1: but loc will say that after the sighting the man
Speaker 1: lost his mind. Oh no, yeah, maybe he did. Maybe.
Speaker 1: The show also interviewed a historian named Maria Jose Perez Martinez,
Speaker 1: who told the show that another man had also claimed
Speaker 1: to have seen in Chado Negro. According to the historian,
Speaker 1: the man said that in Chado Negro appeared to the
Speaker 1: man and told him where he would be able to
Speaker 1: find barrels full of gold. No one knows if the
Speaker 1: man took and Chattle's offer, but the historian said that
Speaker 1: the man became an alcoholic soon after the reported sighting
Speaker 1: and moved out of town, and to this day, no
Speaker 1: one knows if the man is solve or where he went.
Speaker 1: Oh yis. Another popular sighting happened in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: when the YouTube blogger moon Wrap Blogs investigated a cemetery
Speaker 1: in Mexico. The bloggers claim that they caught footage of
Speaker 1: Chattle Negro a few times during the investigation, in one
Speaker 1: instance around the twelve minute mark, and the video I
Speaker 1: guess will be linked. We have the link. I'll send
Speaker 1: this schoogle talk to you. You have it clip in
Speaker 1: here too, okay cool? So yeah. Around the twelve minute mark,
Speaker 1: viewers are able to see what looks like a shadow
Speaker 1: of a man on a horse reflecting off the tombstones.
Speaker 1: The group of investigators then freak the funk out and
Speaker 1: they can be seen running away from the figure well
Speaker 1: screaming that they just saw Chatterle Negro. Let's watch this.
Speaker 2: Mom is momi is get pay away?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Noment Oh, I see something, moms get pay away.
Speaker 1: I love ghost signings from Mexicola because they're always so fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it could feel about someone walking by
Speaker 1: on the horse or whatever, but what are the odds
Speaker 1: of it, I know what the result? Yeah, exactly, so funny.
Speaker 1: So I know, I know things can be stashed and
Speaker 1: could literally just be someone they got to walk but
Speaker 1: that's still funny and they could be reacting to it.
Speaker 1: But it's a good video. It's a good video. I
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I like how they put
Speaker 1: Charro Negro and then parenthese almas he wants to take
Speaker 1: her souls. Yeah, and we'll put this in here so
Speaker 1: people can see it watching. Okay, So this next one
Speaker 1: comes from YouTube channel called La from an anonymous listener.
Speaker 1: So the story goes like this. In the early nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: in a cantina in a town called Label in Getro,
Speaker 1: one rainy night, close to the last call, a man
Speaker 1: came in to the cantina. Someone coming in at the
Speaker 1: very last minute, and it being a man is not
Speaker 1: really like yeah, yeah, you know, it's gonna be something bad.
Speaker 1: It's either gonna be the devil, a free demon, or
Speaker 1: someone that's gonna rob you. Like there's yeah, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no one between one of the three. Nothing else. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the girls told the man that they were
Speaker 1: about to close, but the man kept walking in. The
Speaker 1: man was wearing black snakeskin boots which were too clean
Speaker 1: considering the rain pouring down outside, and he had on
Speaker 1: vacctto clothing all black except the buttons, which were gold. Honestly,
Speaker 1: sounds cute. I don't know, I don't know. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a good outfit. Like, if I were going to
Speaker 1: go to a rodeo, this is what I would want
Speaker 1: to wear. Yeah, the man was completely dry despite the weather.
Speaker 1: Big yikes. His presence commanded both fear and respect. Of course,
Speaker 1: the girl once again told him it was closing time,
Speaker 1: and he said, I heard you the first time with
Speaker 1: the fuck no, And then he asked how much they
Speaker 1: make in one night, and the girls weren't sure, so
Speaker 1: then they went to get the boss. Is the girl boss,
Speaker 1: I might add. The boss welcomed him and then she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but we're about to close, and the man's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's about time y'all close and for everyone else to leave,
Speaker 1: but I'll pay you very favorably to serve me. Tola
Speaker 1: madda late at night. The crocodile, crakodan, crock Sorry, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you were gonna say crook or spooky cock. No, okay,
Speaker 1: where was I? Okay? Yeah, So he told them to
Speaker 1: kick everyone else out and he'll pay them very favorably
Speaker 1: if they just save him till you know, the crack
Speaker 1: of dawn, not the cock of don you're right, not
Speaker 1: that anything but that, And he showed them his gold coins.
Speaker 1: So the boss, and the girls agreed. One of the
Speaker 1: girls would later say that the man asked for the
Speaker 1: most expensive drinks and paid each of the girls three
Speaker 1: times the costs in gold coins for each drink, and
Speaker 1: he paid them the same amount each time they danced
Speaker 1: for him. His only condition was for the girls to
Speaker 1: put the coins in the battle or clay pots. And
Speaker 1: we're all for oh yes, to be split evenly among
Speaker 1: the eleven girls and la at the end of the night. Okay,
Speaker 1: socialism okay, equal equality okay, fair pay, fair and equal pay.
Speaker 1: They air compensation okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah yeah, yeahwey yeahweh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they all agreed and the man okay. So
Speaker 1: the video, first they said that the girls dance with him,
Speaker 1: but then also said and you know in Spanish, when
Speaker 1: they when they say SeMet connalian, it means you hooked
Speaker 1: up with them. Yeah, so it's unclear to me whether
Speaker 1: it was a hookup or just a dance, but anyway,
Speaker 1: both maybe both, I'm imagining. Yeah. So yeah, the man
Speaker 1: danced and hooked up with three of the girls. All
Speaker 1: three would later die by suicide within the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. Oh my god, Yeah, that took a wild
Speaker 1: turn home that I was not expecting that. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: then the man was like making talk small talk, asking,
Speaker 1: you know, for locals in the area, and he knew
Speaker 1: he seemed to know people in the area, but he
Speaker 1: was also asking questions that didn't make sense. But I
Speaker 1: didn't get an description of this questions. So okay, don't
Speaker 1: ask me, that's all it said. All right. Then, around
Speaker 1: three point thirty am, the pots were full of gold
Speaker 1: coins and one of the girls noticed La Patrona was
Speaker 1: very quiet, so she asked her what was wrong, and
Speaker 1: La Patrona said, how do you think he's doing this?
Speaker 1: He can't carry all of these coins in his pockets. Plus,
Speaker 1: no matter how much he drinks, he's not drunk, and
Speaker 1: he hasn't even gone to the bathroom once since he's
Speaker 1: been here. She said, I fear that this may be
Speaker 1: a ruse. I fear this might be the devil. So
Speaker 1: the girl became very afraid, and she realized no one
Speaker 1: had even brought the oes out from the kitchen. They
Speaker 1: were just there. Where did they come from? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: told the girl she believed they were partying with the
Speaker 1: devil himself. I would have been thrown us out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y of course. Yes. So then the man noticed them,
Speaker 1: you know, whispering back there, and he beckoned to them,
Speaker 1: He's like, what are you all whispering about over there?
Speaker 1: The parties over here? Y'all in Lasquina? Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: he kept giving all of that money, you know, buying
Speaker 1: drinks whatever, until about five am, when he finally said, well,
Speaker 1: it's time for me to head out, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I liked being here very much. That's so scary. That's
Speaker 1: probably the scariest thing he said. He's like, this is
Speaker 1: my favorite cantina. And then he said that he'll be
Speaker 1: back for the girls and take them somewhere very special
Speaker 1: to help. Yeah. I think those questions that didn't make
Speaker 1: sense that he was asking were probably questions like how
Speaker 1: much is your soul worth? Do you like hot temperatures?
Speaker 1: Where do you want to spend eternity? How do you
Speaker 1: feel about eternal damnation? And that's why they didn't make sense, right,
Speaker 1: he was asking this as they're doing lapdowns. It's like
Speaker 1: these are the all life writing. Wow, this is weird, Like, wow,
Speaker 1: is he asking this? Well? I don't mind the heat? Well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to pay me this much, I do
Speaker 1: not mind eternal damnation. So yeah, he said he would
Speaker 1: be back for them and he would take them somewhere
Speaker 1: very special. And then suddenly the doors opened and there
Speaker 1: stood a huge horse with fire in his eyes and
Speaker 1: smoke that appeared to come out of his nostrils. The
Speaker 1: man stood and as he walked out, he told the girls, remember,
Speaker 1: I'm coming back for you your mind now ew ew Yeah,
Speaker 1: very creepy the girls. And notice that the man's legs
Speaker 1: appeared to grow to the point where it was effortless
Speaker 1: for him to get onto this huge horse. No, and
Speaker 1: then they galloped away at an impossible speed and left
Speaker 1: into the darkness. Lena then told the girls like, maybe
Speaker 1: he should spend the night year because it's so late
Speaker 1: and in the morning will split the money up. So
Speaker 1: everyone woke up around one pm. But the girls I
Speaker 1: had danced with him, the girls I hooked up with him,
Speaker 1: they felt uneasy all night and they weren't able to sleep.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to get their share of the money
Speaker 1: and leave. But when the girls looked into the pots,
Speaker 1: they found no gold coins. All they're hard work. I
Speaker 1: can't believe this. He was actually not into fair wages,
Speaker 1: and you know fair labor. This is this is whige theft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what else you expect from saying it? Not only
Speaker 1: will you take your soul, but he also stole your money.
Speaker 1: Wow wow, after he promised you huge amounts of money
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna be like, I really like this
Speaker 1: place and he's like, I'll be back for y'all, I'll
Speaker 1: be back. Yeah, oh my god. So they got they
Speaker 1: got eight ternal damnation. Three of them died and they
Speaker 1: got no money, right right, And this is not a
Speaker 1: good deal, No, not at all. All they found in
Speaker 1: the pots was horseshit on taught. That is such a
Speaker 1: fucking insult. They literally literal miar that, what the hell?
Speaker 1: Why would you leave that until the very end?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: And the smell of sulfur yeah wow wow. So no,
Speaker 1: the girl started praying, crying and screaming. The scream they screaming,
Speaker 1: throwing up, oh my niece, begging that balmore. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And La Patrona again was like that was
Speaker 1: the devil and the bar closed its doors forever. They
Speaker 1: never opened again after that night. And yeah, like I
Speaker 1: said before, three of the girls they died by suicide. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is worse in the dance with the devil. It
Speaker 1: is right because that girl she actually just danced with him.
Speaker 1: But these girls were like dancing for him and then
Speaker 1: they hooked up with him, and then they got shit
Speaker 1: in the pot and also they died. Man, this is terrible. Wow,
Speaker 1: if this is not a cautionary, cautionary tale, just like
Speaker 1: slapping you in the face. Yeah, it's so many warnings here. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the line of work that they're in is there. It's
Speaker 1: being like thought about negatively in the story, right, not
Speaker 1: by me in the story, in the story. But also
Speaker 1: you know the fact they wanted more money. They weren't
Speaker 1: okay with their normal poor wages. They needed more money.
Speaker 1: This strange man came offering them that money, and then
Speaker 1: you know, they did offensive with this man. This is
Speaker 1: all a warning like, don't expect more, right, But I
Speaker 1: I wish that it would have been better for them,
Speaker 1: because I was honestly on their side. You know what
Speaker 1: if their souls had been taken, but they got to
Speaker 1: live their full lives and they got the money. I
Speaker 1: don't see a problem with them. I don't same. But
Speaker 1: they didn't even get that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'm not they got fucked literally literally got fucked
Speaker 1: like that in all in all ways, yeah possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: like seeing my girls lose, you know, no, not at all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was That was scary and a horrible ending. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I think this brings us to the end of
Speaker 1: the paranormal stories, right, Yes, that's okay. Well, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: a run. Oh good. Okay, And well, let me just
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel like I don't need to
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Speaker 1: I can wake up at like six six thirty. That's
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Speaker 1: today I'm like, all right, I'm going to wake up
Speaker 1: at six thirty no matter what, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to the gym. Then I think I got a brown
Speaker 1: seven thirty. I did not go to the gym. I
Speaker 1: put on my like sweater. That means I'm not leaving
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be. I have been working, okay, tomorrow's my
Speaker 1: actual like shifting my day job. Yeah, not looking forward
Speaker 1: to it, but but yeah, I'm still dying. I hope
Speaker 1: to be back to normal next week. I hope that
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah. And because I'm already feeling like shit,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I might as well talk about this
Speaker 1: very depressing case, right. Yeah. Also because it was requested,
Speaker 1: so let's get started, Okay, let's get into it. On
Speaker 1: August third, twenty nineteen, a white man entered a busy
Speaker 1: Walmart in at Baso, Texas, and opened fire. To this day,
Speaker 1: it is described as the Delias attack on Latinos Latinas
Speaker 1: in modern America. We're covering the El Paso Walmart shooting.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was requested by a lot of
Speaker 1: people after we did the Post club shooting. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a crime that specifically, delibly targeted Mexicans. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was this person's goal. I mean it was a hate crime. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember watching the news when it all went down.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah, it was such a dark, dark time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, it's a heavy case. So
Speaker 1: you know, listening with caution or don't listen skip this part.
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Speaker 1: can come back to the end. So I'll put time stamps.
Speaker 1: There are always a little thrown off because of ads,
Speaker 1: but I'll do my best. So as many of you
Speaker 1: probably already know, Paso is alongside the US Mexico border.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much connected to see the Aguadis Like you
Speaker 1: can take a bridge and they're like two miles away
Speaker 1: from each other. It's completely normal for people to go
Speaker 1: back and forth from both cities every day for different things, work, shopping, eating, school,
Speaker 1: a bunch of different reasons. Malpaso also happens to be
Speaker 1: eighty one percent Latino Hispanic from the statistic I found
Speaker 1: from like twenty twenty two or something like that. And again,
Speaker 1: super normal for people to go back and forth between
Speaker 1: the two cities. So because it was, you know, August,
Speaker 1: it was almost back to school season, the sales were
Speaker 1: probably going on. The walmart on seven to one zero
Speaker 1: one Gateway West Boulevard in Alpasso was extremely busy. It's
Speaker 1: estimated that there was like three thousand people inside, and
Speaker 1: it's also a shopping center. I never think about how
Speaker 1: many people at once fit inside in a grocery store
Speaker 1: or department store like that. Right, some of these walmarts
Speaker 1: were gigantics. So yeah, So at ten thirty seven am,
Speaker 1: the gunman walked to the back of his car. He
Speaker 1: pulled out a semi automatic rifle from his trunk and
Speaker 1: opened fire in the parking lot. He killed a woman
Speaker 1: who was pushing a shopping cart and then fired at others.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people know, but you know,
Speaker 1: usually people that are fundraising for different things will set
Speaker 1: up outside of these shopping centers to sell things, so
Speaker 1: there was a group of kids and parents fundraising for
Speaker 1: the Elpaso Fusion Girls soccer team outside. The gunman fired
Speaker 1: at them. Three people died from in this instance, and
Speaker 1: six people were injured in the parking lot. The Walmart
Speaker 1: store manager saw the gunman in the parking lot and
Speaker 1: ran inside and called Code Brown. This means that there
Speaker 1: was an active shooter on site. Employees began to help
Speaker 1: customers escape or hide. Many hit under tables or tried
Speaker 1: to flee to the nearby stores like the nearby Sam's Club,
Speaker 1: or they hid in shipping containers behind the Walmart. At
Speaker 1: ten thirty nine am, the gunman entered the store through
Speaker 1: the west side. As he walked in, he killed an
Speaker 1: elderly man who was trying to escape. He fired into
Speaker 1: the checkout area, killing several more. Then he walked into
Speaker 1: the first convenience bank that was inside the store, where
Speaker 1: he fired more people. The gunman walked through the store,
Speaker 1: leaving a path of injured and dead. He walked out
Speaker 1: of the wal Mart at ten forty two am. The
Speaker 1: gunman then walked to the parking lot, fire more rounds
Speaker 1: on the way to his car. A man and his wife. Well,
Speaker 1: a man died and his wife was injured in this
Speaker 1: instance of him, you know, shooting in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Then the gunman got into his car. Emergency services arrived
Speaker 1: pretty fast within the first six minutes of the nine
Speaker 1: to one one call. The first nine one one call,
Speaker 1: the El Paso Police Department, Texas Rangers, FBI, and paramedics
Speaker 1: were all unseen. Somehow the gunman was able to drive away,
Speaker 1: but he didn't get very far. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: far this intersection Sunmount and Viscount are from the walmart,
Speaker 1: but that's where he stopped at the left turn lane
Speaker 1: and he exited his vehicle and he just went up
Speaker 1: to a Texas ranger and said he was the shooter,
Speaker 1: and he was immediately apprehended arrested. In total, there were
Speaker 1: twenty three dead and twenty six injured, majority Mexican or
Speaker 1: Mexican American. And again I'm not going to say the
Speaker 1: gunman's name, like fuck him.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The twenty three that died that day, they were Jordan
Speaker 1: and Andre Anchrodo, twenty five and twenty four. So young, yeah,
Speaker 1: so young. They were going back to school, shopping for
Speaker 1: their five year old daughter. She was not with them,
Speaker 1: but they had their two month old baby, boy, Paul,
Speaker 1: and he was with them. The only reason the baby
Speaker 1: lived is because Jordan shielded the baby. Then Andre shielded
Speaker 1: both of them, and they had fallen on top of
Speaker 1: the baby and an unknown person. It was unknown for
Speaker 1: a like a week or two. He went in as
Speaker 1: the gunshots were still going on and he got the
Speaker 1: baby from underneath them. That is why the baby lived.
Speaker 1: And then this man went back in and was still
Speaker 1: treating people. Wow. So Andre had recently started a business
Speaker 1: of his own, like a concrete type business, and the
Speaker 1: pair had just celebrated their first wedding anniversary. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: a friend told People, and all this is from People magazine.
Speaker 1: They did like a whole article just with everyone's statements,
Speaker 1: and like, well, I'm just gonna relose. That's perfect. So
Speaker 1: a friend told People magazine that they were so kind
Speaker 1: and you could tell they truly loved each other. And
Speaker 1: I just, I don't know, I feel so sad for
Speaker 1: obviously the whole family and friends, but their children. It's
Speaker 1: just it's wild that you can just be out here
Speaker 1: doing the thing that you do and then this happens.
Speaker 1: David Johnson, sixty three, died trying to shield his wife
Speaker 1: and nine year old granddaughter from the gunfire. His niece
Speaker 1: Mariamada said about him that he was a loving father, husband, uncle,
Speaker 1: and grandpa. When he was found, he was surrounded by
Speaker 1: three gun shows and it could have been one for
Speaker 1: each one of them, but because he protected them, his
Speaker 1: wife and granddaughter lived. They wouldn't have made it if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for him giving up his life for them
Speaker 1: have yet. Ami Rodriguez was fifteen. He would have been
Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school that fall, and he absolutely
Speaker 1: loved soccer and video games, and what fifteen year old doesn't.
Speaker 1: That's like the life, that's all you do at that age.
Speaker 1: His uncle tried to protect him by getting in the
Speaker 1: way the gunfire, but he was shot in the foot
Speaker 1: in the process and he was unable to shield him.
Speaker 1: My God, Angie Anglesby eighty six, had been on the
Speaker 1: phone just moments before the shooting began. She was telling
Speaker 1: her son on the phone that she missed him because
Speaker 1: he had gone on vacation and that they were going
Speaker 1: to see each other soon, so it was okay. She
Speaker 1: was on the phone with their son when everything went down. Wow,
Speaker 1: just that's so horrifying to be on the other end
Speaker 1: of that and just not not know what is happening.
Speaker 1: And she went shopping at this Walmart every single Saturday morning. Wow.
Speaker 1: Her granddaughter, Catherine stead of the following about her. My
Speaker 1: grandmother was a strong woman. She raised all of her
Speaker 1: seven children by herself, working multiple jobs to support them.
Speaker 1: She was a woman of faith and the most independent, strong,
Speaker 1: caring women I've ever known. Arthuro Bernavidez, sixty was an
Speaker 1: Army veteran and a retired bus driver for the city.
Speaker 1: He had lived in Apaso his whole life with his wife, Patricia,
Speaker 1: and even though they never had their own biological children,
Speaker 1: they fostered many always made sure to check on them
Speaker 1: every single child they fostered. They still had a relationship
Speaker 1: with Wow, and they absolutely loved their many nieces and nephews.
Speaker 1: His grand niece Jacqueline, said that Ardua was extremely caring,
Speaker 1: loving and strong willed. He loved hearing from all of
Speaker 1: them and knowing that they were okay. And he also
Speaker 1: loved being around people and he would talk to anyone
Speaker 1: and he would especially love telling his army stories. He
Speaker 1: just sounds lovely Elsam and Dosa Marquez was a mother
Speaker 1: of two from Suda Kwadres. She was visiting family in
Speaker 1: Apasso when she stopped at the Walmart to make a
Speaker 1: quick purchase, like she was even pining on stopping there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Her husband wrote the following about her on Facebook. I
Speaker 1: bid farewell to my companion, the most marvelous of women,
Speaker 1: a person full of light who will continue illuminating our
Speaker 1: way for the rest of our lives. We are going
Speaker 1: to miss you, love. That was very sad to read. Michaels.
Speaker 1: I got reading this at night time, like because I
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep her, just like clients on my pill I'm like,
Speaker 1: why might I do? Missed myself. Leonardo Campos was forty one.
Speaker 1: He lived in a baso with his wife, Mary Bell Loyam.
Speaker 1: She also died in the shooting. He grew up in
Speaker 1: San Juan, Texas, and his brother said about him, he
Speaker 1: always started to make people forget about their bad days.
Speaker 1: And then a childhood friend of both of theirs said,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they became a statistic. They were doing
Speaker 1: back to school shopping for their grandchildren terrible, and their
Speaker 1: dog was at the groomer and The only reason the
Speaker 1: far away for their away family realized that they were
Speaker 1: they had lost their lives or they were murdered in
Speaker 1: the shooting is because a dog roomor is called asking
Speaker 1: like this dog has not been picked up. And then
Speaker 1: so the brother of Madi Ben drove to the parking
Speaker 1: lot and came and then that's when he came across
Speaker 1: all the emergency vehicles that it was blocked off. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a what horrible to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Kuan
Speaker 1: Velaskiz was seventy seven and he was with his wife,
Speaker 1: Nico Lassa when the Suni began. They had just parked
Speaker 1: their car when the government approached. Nicolasa was shot in
Speaker 1: the face, but she survived the attack and Juan Velaskiz
Speaker 1: died on the scene. Apparently, Nico Lassa had called her
Speaker 1: granddaughter Daisy right after they had been shot, and she
Speaker 1: was telling them call an ambulance. They're not coming fast enough.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Gloria Iva Marquez was at the bank
Speaker 1: inside Walmart when the Suni began, and her husband had
Speaker 1: called out to her because he was there too, to
Speaker 1: move away because they had he had seen the guy
Speaker 1: walk into the store, but she didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to wow. Maria Henya Legaretta Roth. She was a Chiwawa,
Speaker 1: Mexico resident. She had been an Apasso to pick up
Speaker 1: her teenage daughter from the airport, but she had just
Speaker 1: stopped at the airport to grab a few things before
Speaker 1: heading there to pick up her daughter. She stopped at Walmart. Sorry,
Speaker 1: what did I say, the airport? Oh my god? Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: so she stopped at Walmart before going to the airport
Speaker 1: to pick up her daughter. So again, she was just
Speaker 1: there for a quick stop. There was a post on
Speaker 1: Facebook from the Migrant Ministry of Chihuaua and they said
Speaker 1: about her, just as just as you have always been
Speaker 1: in solidarity with migrants, today our entire team embraces you
Speaker 1: with the same solidarity. Sarda Esther Regalado and Adolfo Serros
Speaker 1: Ernandez were both from Suarez, Mexico, and they were just,
Speaker 1: you know, shopping like every I mean, like so many
Speaker 1: people were, Yeah, just going about the day. Their daughter,
Speaker 1: Sandra wrote about them, I don't know how long it
Speaker 1: will take for my soul to heal. Your deaths leave
Speaker 1: us with a great vacuum. I'm so grateful I was
Speaker 1: your daughter. Rest in peace, my beloved parents, and their
Speaker 1: granddaughter wrote as well that they certainly didn't deserve this,
Speaker 1: and yeah, no one. I mean, of course, it's just
Speaker 1: no one does. Yeah, it's such a violent, horrible way
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah. Margie Record was sixty seven. She was
Speaker 1: shopping and about her her husband of twenty two years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, such a long time. Yeah, Tony. He
Speaker 1: told news for in San Antonio that he knows she's
Speaker 1: looking down and smiling at them, and that she was
Speaker 1: the best wife. And I mean there was no one
Speaker 1: else like her, like in the world. Evan Philiberto Manzano
Speaker 1: was forty one. He was ac Da quad Is native
Speaker 1: and he was known as a hard worker, exceptionally devoted
Speaker 1: to his wife and his two children. One of his
Speaker 1: co workers said that he was the best father and
Speaker 1: he was just always working hard. From them, he said,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what the hour was, he was in
Speaker 1: the office or in the field, taking care of his
Speaker 1: projects to provide for his family. Jorge Calvillio Garcia was
Speaker 1: sixty one. He was visiting al Paso to see his
Speaker 1: son Louise and granddaughter Emily. They were outside raising money.
Speaker 1: They were part of the soccer team, and he shielded
Speaker 1: the girls and his nephew, and that's how he died.
Speaker 1: It's just terrible, it really is. Maria Flores seventy seven
Speaker 1: and Dragune Flores eighty three were They were from southern California,
Speaker 1: but they had retired in al Paso and they had
Speaker 1: been together for sixty years. Wow, that's a whole lifetime. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were purchasing ara beds for a family that was visiting.
Speaker 1: That's why they were at Walmart, their son. You know.
Speaker 1: He told news reporters that when he first saw what
Speaker 1: was happening, he was so desperate to reach them, but
Speaker 1: they weren't asking their phones and that's when he realized, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they must be dead. I can't imagine the desperation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can go through. Alexandra Hoffmann was
Speaker 1: sixty six. He was born in Germany, but he had
Speaker 1: lived in squares for more than forty years because he
Speaker 1: apparently loved Mexico. Wow. He considered himself a Mexican and
Speaker 1: Mexico yeah, and Mexico was his second home. That's where
Speaker 1: he met his wife, that's where they raised their children.
Speaker 1: That's where he lived and he would occasionally go into
Speaker 1: a passo for again, like everyone else every day thing.
Speaker 1: Just I read them and I'm like, that's he he was.
Speaker 1: He was throwing the godness that he wasn't just invited,
Speaker 1: he was throwing the host. Yeah. Theresa Sanchez eighty two.
Speaker 1: She was a retired biology teacher and she had been
Speaker 1: living in an Apasso for thirty years. I think she
Speaker 1: I believe she's the oldest that was killed that day.
Speaker 1: Was she eighty two? Wow? Dillermo Memo Garcia, he actually
Speaker 1: died nine months after the shooting. He was shot that day,
Speaker 1: but he went to the hospital. He had countless surgeries
Speaker 1: and he unfortunately the whole nine months after is when
Speaker 1: he passed away. Wow. He was helping sell lemonade with
Speaker 1: his wife and for their kids soccer team. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's everyone that passed away or that was killed that
Speaker 1: day as and I remember that. As information started coming out,
Speaker 1: that's when we learned more about the gunman and that
Speaker 1: this was specifically done to target Mexicans. The gunman drove
Speaker 1: from his hometown of Allen, Texas to El Paso. How
Speaker 1: far are they This was six hundred and fifty miles. Wow, that's,
Speaker 1: like I want to say, over an eight hour drive.
Speaker 1: And so I mean he had time to stop, turn
Speaker 1: back around and not do it right. That is plenty
Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, but that was like his full intentions
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Yeah. He wrote a manifesto that he
Speaker 1: titled The Inconvenient Truth. This was posted on eight chan,
Speaker 1: which is worse than four chan. Oh my god, taken down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like hoppy, you get worse, Yeah, and you can. In
Speaker 1: this manifesto, the gunman cited the far right conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that's just a bunch of like, I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of fake ass shit, Like it's not none of
Speaker 1: it is true. But they call it the Great the
Speaker 1: great replacement, right, do you want to like to find
Speaker 1: that really quick? If anyone doesn't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but I believe it's like when people think that, well,
Speaker 1: when white people think that they're being replaced by minorities,
Speaker 1: quote minorities, people of color. I mean outside of that,
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's more to it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then they're going to be outnumbered and like writing polls
Speaker 1: and all that. Yeah. And again it's like this completely ridiculous, hateful,
Speaker 1: not true thing. So he cited or he used language
Speaker 1: about immigrants in the same way that then President Donald
Speaker 1: Trump referred to Mexicans. He you know, was calling citing
Speaker 1: a Hispanic invasion, not to mention all the like other
Speaker 1: trash that you know, Trump has said about Mexicans, like oh,
Speaker 1: they're not sending their best, They're sending rapists and thieves
Speaker 1: and criminals, and like he's out here literally saying the
Speaker 1: same shit right now. Yeah. But also on top of
Speaker 1: all that, most asylum seekers are South American, Central and
Speaker 1: South American these days, they're not even Mexican. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter to these people. We're all Mexican and
Speaker 1: we're all like, you know, garbage according to them, including
Speaker 1: being born here. Like they do not set you aside
Speaker 1: from the group of like dirty Mexican immigrants, like you
Speaker 1: are in the same group, Which is why I think
Speaker 1: Trump is the dumbest shit in the world. Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: because like, first of all, they don't want your ass either.
Speaker 1: They weren't throw your ass out of the country if
Speaker 1: they could too. Literally they've said it. It doesn't farewell
Speaker 1: to side with them because they don't want you. No,
Speaker 1: they think you're dirty, just like the rest of us.
Speaker 1: So you might as well not. Yeah, it's like you're
Speaker 1: writing so hard for a person that would that literally
Speaker 1: called for people to harm you. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: there was like even a lawsuit that someone filed against
Speaker 1: Trump for saying like, oh, you know, beat these people up,
Speaker 1: I'll pay for your lawyer pees or whatever. Like he
Speaker 1: has said this, and people were out here saying, no,
Speaker 1: he never like called for the harm of Mexicans. And
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's like language has power, and language
Speaker 1: like that hateful, dehumanizing language, it does harm people, like
Speaker 1: look at what happens here exactly. And the gunman in
Speaker 1: his manifesto said that his beliefs pre date Trump and
Speaker 1: that Trump should not be blamed for the attack. Why
Speaker 1: is he writing that, Yeah, even after sorry, this gunman
Speaker 1: was not killed, right, just apprehended, apprehended. I mean, I
Speaker 1: imagine he went into this with intentions, you know, to
Speaker 1: carry it on until the end, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but even after you know, his guilt
Speaker 1: and being caught, like his concern is, oh, it's not
Speaker 1: Trump's fault, Like how is somebody so deranged? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: also to be pointing out like, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: this is how I've always saw like this. Literally, this
Speaker 1: to me reads as like maybe I've done this before,
Speaker 1: but like Trump being president, gave me permission. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He also stated in his manifesto that he wanted the
Speaker 1: shooting to serve as an incentive for Hispanics to leave
Speaker 1: the United States. He literally wrote, this attack is a
Speaker 1: response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the
Speaker 1: instigators Hispanic invasion of its ridiculous people that are like
Speaker 1: Hispanic have been there before Texas was even you know,
Speaker 1: part of the United States. Yeah, he said, they are
Speaker 1: the indigenous people that of course, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like just ridiculous. Yeah, I am simply defending my country
Speaker 1: from cultural and ethnic replacement being brought on by the invasion.
Speaker 1: This is not your country. This is never your country.
Speaker 1: First of all. No, no, it wasn't, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: Mexico's either. It's it's indigenous land. Like, yeah, shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up. That's even that. Like I don't know all
Speaker 1: of us. There's just he was just so wrong on
Speaker 1: so many Yeah, just hateful and wrong. Yeah. In February
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the government was charged with ninety federal charges,
Speaker 1: including twenty two counts of committing a hate crime resulting
Speaker 1: in death, twenty two counts of use of firearm to
Speaker 1: commit murder, twenty three counts of a hate crime involving
Speaker 1: an attempt to kill, and more. He first entered a place.
Speaker 1: If not guilty, they tried to say, not guilty by
Speaker 1: reason of insanity. No, No, you don't write a whole manifesto,
Speaker 1: drive a whole six hundred plus miles. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: remember when this first happened, they were like, oh, he
Speaker 1: was like mentally ill, and like, I'm I'm mentally ill,
Speaker 1: you know, I see me. I do believe that something
Speaker 1: has to be wrong with you in order to be
Speaker 1: able to do things like that. But that's not the
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not an excuse, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: the sole reason. Ever, Like I feel like the main
Speaker 1: thing is usually has to do with the hate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what it was here. Yeah. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: kept like putting out, oh, his because the apparently the
Speaker 1: gunman's father was like a counselor, no, like a psychiatrist, psychologist,
Speaker 1: I don't really them. Yeah, and they kept like, oh,
Speaker 1: how could he miss the science of mental illness? That
Speaker 1: would like lead to this, but this was the hateful radicalization, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what this was. Like. Yeah, so yeah, his first
Speaker 1: uptemp out of please was not guilty, and the trial
Speaker 1: was held up because of COVID because this was twenty nineteen, right.
Speaker 1: So finally, on February eighth, twenty twenty three, he pleaded
Speaker 1: guilty to ninety federal murder and hate crime charges. He
Speaker 1: was sentenced to ninety consecutive life sentences on July seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And I'm pretty sure that at first,
Speaker 1: like the death penalty was on the table, but then
Speaker 1: it was withdrawn. But it is Texas, Like, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course it wasn't on the table, right, And after the shooting,
Speaker 1: the community of Apaso really you know, came together. There
Speaker 1: was fundraisers, but also protests when Trump visited Apaso, because
Speaker 1: this is kind of your fault because the yeah, the
Speaker 1: blatant because I mean, as we all know, racism has
Speaker 1: always been a part of this country. Isn't grained in
Speaker 1: this country. This country was created, you know, through racism,
Speaker 1: so it's nothing new, of course, but the blatant discussing
Speaker 1: like racist words that Trump felt fine and people accepted
Speaker 1: saying it justified in people's you know, minds, it justified
Speaker 1: their own racism and their own hatred, and it became
Speaker 1: like more acceptable in their eyes to be outright blatantly
Speaker 1: racist to people, and so like words and behavior like that,
Speaker 1: it drives this kind of violence. And like, I mean,
Speaker 1: after it first happened, they were trying to like say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not to be blamed for this, but like, look
Speaker 1: at how he can campaign the things he was saying
Speaker 1: specifically about Mexican people. Yeah, why was this person targeting
Speaker 1: specifically Mexicans? Right, it's yeah, and it's literally happening right now. Yep,
Speaker 1: there's people holding up signs that say mass deportations. Now,
Speaker 1: just just ridiculous. He literally just went on some other
Speaker 1: like I don't know, speech or something now moving I mean, now,
Speaker 1: I guess finally accepting that there's more than just Mexicans,
Speaker 1: because he also said, like a Salvador, there are no
Speaker 1: criminals for us. Yeah, we're being recognized finally, right representation
Speaker 1: question mark? Yeah, right, but yeah, this basically just happened.
Speaker 1: It has not been that many years, and he's out
Speaker 1: here repeating the same rhetoric that this person fully embraced. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it's you know, my god, I can't talk infuriating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Let me go back to the response.
Speaker 1: I guess. So there was fundraising concerts by locals, just
Speaker 1: like a big move to help everyone. But also the
Speaker 1: prison I mentioned earlier that had saved the baby Paul
Speaker 1: and went back in to save countless of people. He
Speaker 1: was found too. His name is lasro Ponse. Wow. He
Speaker 1: grew up here in this area all his life and
Speaker 1: he's been going back and forth from Aguadis and I'll
Speaker 1: pass a living in both from childhood. But he was homeless,
Speaker 1: unhoused at the time of this. Him and his wife
Speaker 1: had set up a tent next to the Sam's Club
Speaker 1: that was next to the walmart. Wow, and when he
Speaker 1: heard gunshots he ran inside and like saved people. Wow.
Speaker 1: Just unbelievable. Yeah. Every time, you know, we talk about
Speaker 1: things like this, I'm just amazed at the humanity and
Speaker 1: bravery you know of regular ordinary people, you know, living
Speaker 1: their regular, ordinary lives and being forced to you know,
Speaker 1: survive and being forced to protect their loved ones exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's what matters here. That's what's important, not what
Speaker 1: the shitty president is going to say not when he's
Speaker 1: going to show up to make face, because that's what
Speaker 1: he did. His ass was like golfing when it all happened.
Speaker 1: It took him days to get to El Paso. People
Speaker 1: refuse to meet him or meet with him, and I
Speaker 1: don't blame them. I don't. I wouldn't have either neither neither, Like,
Speaker 1: how can you show up to this place where people
Speaker 1: brown people, brown Mexican people have lost their lives because
Speaker 1: of the shit that comes out of your disgusting fucking mouths,
Speaker 1: like and hateful, hateful people are inspired by you and
Speaker 1: your ugly ass. You know, and killed people, commit harm
Speaker 1: to people, and then they have you have the gall
Speaker 1: to show your discussing face in that city. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I would have gone, I would have thrown hands
Speaker 1: and then I would have been arrested. Things I would
Speaker 1: have done that I cannot say, but yeah, So I
Speaker 1: do want to read statements from family members during the
Speaker 1: gunman's trial. So, like I mentioned earlier, Andre and Jordan Antoto,
Speaker 1: they were both killed that day. Andre's sister Deborah, read
Speaker 1: a letter on behalf of baby Paul, who was two
Speaker 1: months old when the shooting happened, and she wrote that
Speaker 1: he misses his father and like it's just this was
Speaker 1: also when necessary. Yeah. Andre's brother, Tito, he said that
Speaker 1: after his brother was killed, their father was full of
Speaker 1: heartache and he was a patriarch of the family and
Speaker 1: he just you know, found it so hard to move on.
Speaker 1: He has since died since the shooting, and he did
Speaker 1: tell the family that he had forgiven the shooter for
Speaker 1: killing his youngest son. He said, I forgive him, but
Speaker 1: I won't forgive the devil inside him. Marie bell So
Speaker 1: Marie bell Randezloya and her husband, Leonardo Campos, were both
Speaker 1: killed in the shooting. Her son told the gunman in
Speaker 1: his statement, he's tried so bad to forget what he's done.
Speaker 1: I hope God can one day forgive you. I really
Speaker 1: hope you think about what you've done. Alfredo, Marie Bella,
Speaker 1: Naz's brother said that he was filled with sadnes is
Speaker 1: because he can't celebrate holidays with his sister and brother
Speaker 1: in law, and that his sense of security is gone now.
Speaker 1: Every time he goes out in the public, he's on
Speaker 1: the lookout for psychos like the gunman, and then he
Speaker 1: told him, I hate that you're alive, eating and sleeping.
Speaker 1: I wish you all the suddenness in the world. David Johnson.
Speaker 1: So his relatives also spoke. They his daughter, Stephanie Melendez,
Speaker 1: said that or told him or she had, I guess
Speaker 1: all these other things planned to say, but when the
Speaker 1: moment came, she was like, I can't even find the words.
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that in your active hatred,
Speaker 1: you took a good man. Her own daughter was with
Speaker 1: her grandparents. They died protecting her, and she survived the shooting.
Speaker 1: She's never been the same obviously, I mean, how could you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she said, you showed her evil, you showed her monsters
Speaker 1: do exist outside of storybooks. I want you to remember
Speaker 1: my daughter's crimes. I want them to haunt you. And
Speaker 1: her daughter also spoke. The survivor. She said, I shall
Speaker 1: not ever forgive you. And then Raymond and the son
Speaker 1: in law or sorry brother in law. He said, I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of people raise you to be
Speaker 1: this kind of person. Shame on your parents. And then
Speaker 1: he also said, oh, Kathleen Johnson, she survives. She's David
Speaker 1: Johnson's wife. She said that she's had countless hours of
Speaker 1: counseling to deal with PTSD. She doesn't know if she'll
Speaker 1: ever be the same, if that's even possible, and that
Speaker 1: she has to remind herself every day that she's safe
Speaker 1: from the gunman. That there are days she cannot get
Speaker 1: out of bed. And then she also said that even
Speaker 1: though she took her husband's life, she can't take the
Speaker 1: memories and joy from when he lived. And then Alexander
Speaker 1: Hoffman's family, the honorary Mexican who lived in Mexico all
Speaker 1: his life. His son said, you're an evil parasite to
Speaker 1: the gunman, and that he destroyed her family. That his
Speaker 1: father and mother had been together for more than forty
Speaker 1: years and that they were a small but happy family,
Speaker 1: and he killed his father in such a hourly way,
Speaker 1: and that he was also ignorant for not knowing that
Speaker 1: immigrants bring jobs and spend money. And he told them
Speaker 1: that he hopes every night he thinks about the people
Speaker 1: he shot, and that he can't fall asleep. He said,
Speaker 1: you're a coward and a mistake of society. Wow. His
Speaker 1: daughter Elise went out to say that he loved watching
Speaker 1: James Bond and Star Trek movies and that he died
Speaker 1: not knowing that his grandson took in his footsteps and
Speaker 1: got or pursued an engineering degree after high school, and
Speaker 1: that the killer robbed them all of an opportunity to
Speaker 1: grow to live, you know, with their father. Berta Patricia Benavides,
Speaker 1: the wife of Arturo Benavidez, the army veteran city bus
Speaker 1: driver who loves to talk about his time in the army.
Speaker 1: She said that they had been together for thirty four
Speaker 1: years and that he left her all by herself because
Speaker 1: they didn't have kids. I know, I'm like, and that
Speaker 1: she'll never get it. She has fallen into depression. She
Speaker 1: misses her husband every single day. And she told him,
Speaker 1: I have one question, why did you do it? And
Speaker 1: she then she so answers her own question. She said,
Speaker 1: because you don't know the Lord. You've never gotten close
Speaker 1: to the Lord. I mean, because he's a hateful person. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Christopher Morales, the grandson of Sanchez, the eighty two year
Speaker 1: old who was killed that day, and he said he
Speaker 1: had just gotten a ticket to visit because he lives
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas and he was supposed to go visit,
Speaker 1: and he was on he was the one on the
Speaker 1: phone with her, and so he told the gunman that
Speaker 1: he still gets to eat three meals a day and
Speaker 1: talk to his family. And when the gunman got like
Speaker 1: like nodded as he was saying this, then he got
Speaker 1: like super mad at him, and he told him, you
Speaker 1: get to suck dick in prison, you get to be
Speaker 1: a little bitch. Damn. I just love that because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wish that's like I can't even imagine being disclosed
Speaker 1: as someone who did this and like not being able
Speaker 1: to just like deck him in the face. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I get it. I mean I get it, you
Speaker 1: can't just go out here punching people, but like I
Speaker 1: can't just can't imagine seeing this person like not and
Speaker 1: you're like, are you are you serious right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It just to me because apparently the gunman smirked and
Speaker 1: nodding his head. I mean, yeah, I can't imagine the
Speaker 1: rage that you must feel at that. And so, like,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever comes out comes out. I will say
Speaker 1: that I've never been a fan of that thing that
Speaker 1: people say. Of course, even of I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: no matter how discussing you know someone is innocent. People
Speaker 1: do go to prison, people that come in non violent
Speaker 1: crimes go to prison, and so that joke, you know,
Speaker 1: quote joke of oh may get raped in prison or her,
Speaker 1: they'll get what's coming to them. Don't drop the soap,
Speaker 1: like I find that not okay and so but of course,
Speaker 1: I mean this person was in their feelings, and you know,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. You can't control sometimes what
Speaker 1: you say. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't even like
Speaker 1: yeah just to seem smirk, you know, like to me,
Speaker 1: it shows that he doesn't care. He never cares. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reason people are able to commit these violent, violent
Speaker 1: crimes against usually against people of color, black people, brown people,
Speaker 1: and women and women of color included in that of
Speaker 1: course as well, is because they don't see us as people.
Speaker 1: They don't see us as people equal to them. And
Speaker 1: it's where you know, that dehumanization piece comes in and
Speaker 1: why words of hatred, like the words that come out
Speaker 1: of Trump's mouth are exactly dangerous. Yeah, Like it's not
Speaker 1: just words, you know, you're endangering people's lives. Add that
Speaker 1: to that, you know trans people and you know LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus people as well. Yeah. Ad Masano, wife of Ivan
Speaker 1: Filiberto Manzano, she told him in Spanish that she took away,
Speaker 1: her children's hero, their pillar of support, and that their
Speaker 1: daughter is not going to have a father to give
Speaker 1: her away at the wedding, their son is not going
Speaker 1: to have someone to teach them to shave, learn how
Speaker 1: to drive, and that she hopes her children won't grow
Speaker 1: up with hatred toward the gunment and that they're able
Speaker 1: to move on with their lives. And she added that
Speaker 1: their dad and the kids are proud to be a
Speaker 1: Mexican and that she is prior to have been part
Speaker 1: of this Mexican family. Because that's why this person did it.
Speaker 1: He was literally targeting specifically looking for Mexicans. That's why
Speaker 1: he drove that many hours to do this. Yeah, Fancisco
Speaker 1: Javier Rodriguez, he is the father of Javier Rodriguez, the
Speaker 1: fifteen year old who was killed. He wore a T
Speaker 1: shirt with his son's face for this trial and when
Speaker 1: he was given his statement, he demanded for the government
Speaker 1: to at his son at his shirt. The gunman shook
Speaker 1: his head. No, that would have filled me with rage.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, I can't seriously, I don't know
Speaker 1: how he was then able to even just speak after this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he said, you don't have the
Speaker 1: balls to look at him. You had the balls to
Speaker 1: shoot him. You drove eight hours to command a meat
Speaker 1: crime without thinking of the damage you'd cause. And I'm
Speaker 1: just I don't know how they would like any of
Speaker 1: these people were able to go up there and face
Speaker 1: look at this person and say all these things. The strengths,
Speaker 1: the strength that it takes. Marg her ninety year old father,
Speaker 1: Luis Wuanas, was killed and her mother was injured. She
Speaker 1: told the gunman that his ignorance is what led him
Speaker 1: to do something so hateful, so hurtful. And then she
Speaker 1: also berated him during this trial for thinking that the
Speaker 1: US was being invaded for immigrants, and she told him
Speaker 1: that whoever taught him history should have done better. They
Speaker 1: taught it wrong. And then she said Native Americans have
Speaker 1: always been here after them before you and your American
Speaker 1: settler homies rolled in. And to think about that when
Speaker 1: you say you're defending your country. Yeah, and then she
Speaker 1: told him people who hold racist views like him only
Speaker 1: contribute to hate, while immigrants contribute to everything. She said
Speaker 1: the following and this is the last thing that was said,
Speaker 1: and I cannot believe like so she said, you were
Speaker 1: so worried about immigrants taking away something from you. Well,
Speaker 1: the only thing we're taking away today is your freedom. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then she walked back to the bench and there
Speaker 1: was like a roar of a blause after that. Wow.
Speaker 1: And I also those were all the statements that were
Speaker 1: read in the trial. But I also want to mention
Speaker 1: because I think another thing that happened first twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: so COVID hit almost right after this. And another thing
Speaker 1: that kind of went like unspoken or really unfocused was
Speaker 1: the Mexican victims of the shooting, because it wasn't just
Speaker 1: Mexican American, right, Like literally people from Mexicans. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: witness that her testimony was instrumental to piecing together the
Speaker 1: path that the gunman took in the store. She was
Speaker 1: deported after this. Oh my god, this is horrible. I
Speaker 1: could not fucking believe it when I read that due
Speaker 1: to a traffic violation. That's ridiculous. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like people don't understand that immigrants are less likely and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, right, Like American citizens commit crimes and
Speaker 1: they don't get sent to other countries, right because they
Speaker 1: happen to have the privilege to be born here, but
Speaker 1: immigrants are less likely to commit crimes because of the
Speaker 1: fear of deportation. Imagine driving because you need to drive
Speaker 1: in this country in most cities, driving to your daily activities, work,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and being afraid of doing anything wrong
Speaker 1: at any point in time because you might get pulled
Speaker 1: over and then deported. Like what the hell kind of
Speaker 1: life is that? And our mother lived it, and we
Speaker 1: lived in fear of, you know, her being over. Do
Speaker 1: you remember when we crap, Like, no, we didn't crash,
Speaker 1: so when in the freeway and because we're in the freeway,
Speaker 1: she couldn't stop and rented the car in front. It
Speaker 1: was like an accordion of your ends rear ending. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry according to rear ends. Okay, yes it was,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Anyway, we begged the policeman. Well, first
Speaker 1: we begged the people in front of us, and today
Speaker 1: I want to let us leave, to let us leave
Speaker 1: because we didn't want the police to be there. We're like, look,
Speaker 1: we got hit, like just pretend this van wasn't here.
Speaker 1: They didn't do it. The police got there and we begged, cried,
Speaker 1: pleaded for them not to do anything, so that our
Speaker 1: mom wouldn't be deported and I think he nothing happened.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: literal it's a true fear. And for her who she
Speaker 1: survived this horrific crime that specifically targeted her. She survived
Speaker 1: this and then she was deported. Are you furious? And
Speaker 1: it turns out that a lot of the victims, survivors
Speaker 1: of this white racist man that are Mexican citizens, cannot
Speaker 1: get visas. Wowe survived the shooting. She has no feeling
Speaker 1: in her left leg. She was at Walmart with her
Speaker 1: aunt to buy school supplies that they could resell in Mexico. Later,
Speaker 1: they were literally about to leave a store, but they
Speaker 1: decided to stop to go to the bathroom. That's when
Speaker 1: the gunman entered and when they heard the shots, and
Speaker 1: her aunt and per obviously both highly traumatized. Her aunt
Speaker 1: remembers praying to God that she was spared, and right
Speaker 1: after that, Liliana was shot in the leg, and she
Speaker 1: blames herself. Obviously it's not her fault, but she blames
Speaker 1: herself for praying that, and she cannot get the image
Speaker 1: of her knees bleeding out of her head. And then
Speaker 1: before COVID happened, Liliana could at least cross the border
Speaker 1: to receive free mental health care that was provided for
Speaker 1: the survivors of the attack that has long disappeared. She
Speaker 1: also needs special physical therapy that is only on this
Speaker 1: side of the border. That is absolutely unacceptable. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: since the shooting, she has severe anxiety and depression. She
Speaker 1: cannot access that free help that is on the other
Speaker 1: side because first, when twenty twenty happened, the border completely
Speaker 1: closed I don't remember for how long. So that left
Speaker 1: her without help. And now these services are slowly disappearing.
Speaker 1: The funding has gone, and you know, there's still some
Speaker 1: organizations out here that are like still providing care. The
Speaker 1: Family Resiliency Center is still working with the Mexican consulate
Speaker 1: to our for services and so people can finally go
Speaker 1: back and forth again, which they weren't able to do.
Speaker 1: Anna Vitela, she's another Mexican survivor of this shooting. She
Speaker 1: has terrible nightmares ever since it happened. That caused her
Speaker 1: to what the bend. She's severe. During the shooting, she
Speaker 1: was shot and she passed out and her nine year
Speaker 1: old son dragged her to safety. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: just people again, like they're put in these impossible situations,
Speaker 1: traumatic situations, their lives are torn apart, and then they
Speaker 1: can't even get the help that they need because of
Speaker 1: this fake, made up border that so called Americans want
Speaker 1: to enforce. When you're not really an American, right, like indigenous
Speaker 1: people are from here, not you. Yeah, you're technically from Europe,
Speaker 1: and maybe you should go back to where you came from.
Speaker 1: Right If I were to take back to where I
Speaker 1: come from, I would still be in North America. Where
Speaker 1: would you be, Well, you know, I would be still
Speaker 1: be in America, maybe also in Central America, but you
Speaker 1: would be across the world in Europe. That's where your
Speaker 1: ass would be exactly. And Anna Vitella, her son for
Speaker 1: Christmas like two years ago, wrote that his wish, like
Speaker 1: what he wanted from Alinho Jesus, was for his mom
Speaker 1: to be herself again. Oh my god, I can't because
Speaker 1: Safina Ki Menez she was at Walmart on the day
Speaker 1: of the shooting to make funeral arrangements with a relative
Speaker 1: because her husband had just passed away, and that's when
Speaker 1: the gunman entered and so she survived, but she has
Speaker 1: trouble leaving her home due to terrible panic attacks, and
Speaker 1: like I said, these services that were provided to them
Speaker 1: are getting more difficult to access now. The majority of
Speaker 1: the Mexican survivors of this hate crime were not able
Speaker 1: to get work permits, they were denied, you, visas denied,
Speaker 1: and like I said, some of them were instrumental to
Speaker 1: solving or to figuring out what happened that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Liliana Munos who was deported. Disgusting, absolutely diss I
Speaker 1: just I can't believe it. And so yeah, the majority
Speaker 1: of the Mexican survivors have tried applying for visas and
Speaker 1: they've been denied. There's only like a certain amount of
Speaker 1: the type of visa that they requested that is handed out,
Speaker 1: and for that reason or for whatever reason, they've been
Speaker 1: done every single time. Wow, And it's just like it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. They were targeted, yeah, by a
Speaker 1: citizen of this country. They should be getting all the
Speaker 1: help and whatever they need. Yeah, And I just can't.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that this is what happened to them,
Speaker 1: that they won were deported or can't get help, can't
Speaker 1: get the help that they need. So that I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that yeah, me, neither. That just makes
Speaker 1: me even I mean more angry. I'm gonna be looking
Speaker 1: into the organization I mentioned. Maybe there's like a donation
Speaker 1: link or something so that we can help out wherever
Speaker 1: we can. Yeah, but yeah, that is the El Paso
Speaker 1: shooting two eighteen, And yeah, I mean I wanted to
Speaker 1: share it, especially because we are seeing the same hateful
Speaker 1: rhetoric that it's twenty sixteen all over again. Stopped but
Speaker 1: it's back. Yeah, And it's just I don't know. And again,
Speaker 1: if you're Latino for Trump, you're fucking stupid. You're so stupid.
Speaker 1: You're the stupidest person of them all. Like I don't
Speaker 1: even have words to describe how fucking stupid you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just it's not in your like why why
Speaker 1: when like against your own interest. Yeah, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, these people do not care. Like you're
Speaker 1: out here like saying, oh well, immigrants blaue blah blah,
Speaker 1: but kids in their ass and they would kick your
Speaker 1: ass out of this country if they could. They would.
Speaker 1: They would, like how many of them were campaigning like,
Speaker 1: oh well, I would make it so that children of
Speaker 1: immigrants actually get supported. And you know why, They've done it.
Speaker 1: They have done it. This country has deported Mexican Americans.
Speaker 1: It's like history repeats itself all the time. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. Everything's depressing. Yeah. All we have to
Speaker 1: hold on to is our little ghost stories. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: hug your family members, think about them. It's just all
Speaker 1: around again. All we have to hold on to is
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, because that's what's gonna get us through
Speaker 1: all this. Yes, that and ghost stories. Honestly, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is an extra long episode. I'm sorry it is.
Speaker 1: Actually I love I love extra long episodes. Me too.
Speaker 1: But we have reached the end. We'll take a quick
Speaker 1: break and come back for Spaghea recommendations. I actually do
Speaker 1: have to pay for my Speakara recommendation, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and be sad. So I want him
Speaker 1: to stay and talk with me. Milott put his headphones
Speaker 1: on and I'm just kidding, Melo, what do you have
Speaker 1: to say? He's not talking? Okay, Milo, Okay, We're back
Speaker 1: for Scoop Scooby Key, Scoopy say Scoopy. Bookie recommendations. Sorry,
Speaker 1: do you have any Actually I do so. Last episode
Speaker 1: I mentioned a book I started reading and actually described
Speaker 1: their because I am accidentally reading too many books at once,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're all jumbled up in my head.
Speaker 1: But let me go to it. Where's my Libby, Libby Libby.
Speaker 1: My recommendation is your local library. Okay, So last week
Speaker 1: when I described the book as My Sister the serial Killer,
Speaker 1: I think it's called meets Crying h Mart. That's actually
Speaker 1: the description for the Eyes Are the Best Part by
Speaker 1: Monica Kim, and I actually haven't started reading that book yet,
Speaker 1: but it piqued my interest. Let me just describe like
Speaker 1: the description so that people in case they're interested, but
Speaker 1: I'll probably start reading it soon because I'm about ninety
Speaker 1: percent done with the current book that I'm reading. So
Speaker 1: it says Crying in h Mart meets my Sister the
Speaker 1: serial Killer in this feminist psychological horror about the making
Speaker 1: of a female serial killer from a Korean American perspective,
Speaker 1: and then it describes g wants life tumbles into disarray
Speaker 1: in the wake of her I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 1: I saw the title and I then I checked it
Speaker 1: out immediately. I didn't even see exactly what it was about.
Speaker 1: Gi Want's life tumbles into disarray in the wake of
Speaker 1: her appa's extra metal affair and subsequent departure, her mother distraught,
Speaker 1: her younger sister hurt and confused, her college freshman grades
Speaker 1: failing her dreams horrifying yet enticing in them. Jiwan walks
Speaker 1: through bloody rooms, full of eyes, succulent blue eyes, salivatingly
Speaker 1: blue eyes. That's a weird word I had never said before.
Speaker 1: Eyes the same shape and shade as Georges, who is
Speaker 1: UMA's obnoxious new boyfriend. George has already overstayed his welcome
Speaker 1: in her family's claustrophobic apartment. He brags about his puffed
Speaker 1: up consulting job Ogle's Asian waitresses while dining out, and
Speaker 1: acts condescending toward ji Wan and her sister as he
Speaker 1: deserves all of Umah's fawning autoation. No, George doesn't deserve
Speaker 1: anything from her family. Jiwan will make sure of that,
Speaker 1: and I agree with her. I have yet, and there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but that's basically I think enough.
Speaker 1: I hold on it. Okay, well, yeah, I hold is up,
Speaker 1: and I need to start an asap because now it's due,
Speaker 1: like in sixteen days. You're beating twenty books at the
Speaker 1: same time. Some I am it's not. It was an accident. Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm about ninety percent done with the current book
Speaker 1: that I'm reading, which is called that She is a Haunting.
Speaker 1: That's the when you mistakenitely yes, described as this. So
Speaker 1: this one, let me just pull that one up. It
Speaker 1: is honestly, I like it. It is ya, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel super hitea to me. I think I feel
Speaker 1: like the only thing that makes a Hya is the
Speaker 1: character is eighteen. She just graduated from high school. Oh
Speaker 1: and sometimes you just need like a chill white a book.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing wrong with that, but this is not
Speaker 1: a chill ya book. But this is not chill Okay.
Speaker 1: So she is a haunting. It made me think of
Speaker 1: Mexican Gothic in that there's a house that is like haunted,
Speaker 1: but there's more to the haunting. I love them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's like things of colonization. Love them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: very much like it. Okay, I'm here. Four has the
Speaker 1: three point forty rating. I would give it five out
Speaker 1: of five. I've not done yet, though, Okay, Okay, so
Speaker 1: then yeah, this one says a house with the terrifying
Speaker 1: appetite haunts a broken family. In this atmospheric horror, perfect
Speaker 1: for fans of Mexican Gothic, which, yes, I agree. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this one says. When Jade Neugen arrives in Vietnam
Speaker 1: for a visit with her restranged father, she has one
Speaker 1: goal survived five weeks pretending to be a happy family
Speaker 1: in the French colonial house, Ba is restoring. She's always
Speaker 1: live to fit in, so she's straight enough. Vietnamea is
Speaker 1: enough American enough. She can get out with the college
Speaker 1: money he promised, But the house has other plans. Night
Speaker 1: after night, Jade wakes up paralyzed. The walls exude a
Speaker 1: thrumbing sound, while bugs leave their legs and feelers in
Speaker 1: places they don't belong. She finds curious traces of her
Speaker 1: ancestors in the gardens they once tended, and at night,
Speaker 1: Jade can't ignore the ghosts of the beautiful bride who
Speaker 1: leaves her cryptic warnings. Don't eat. Neither Ba nor her
Speaker 1: sweet sister Lily believe that there's anything strange happening. With help,
Speaker 1: I'm a delinquent girl, Jade will prove this house, the
Speaker 1: home her family has always wanted, will not rest until
Speaker 1: it destroys them. Maybe this time she can keep her
Speaker 1: family together. As she roots out the house's rot, she
Speaker 1: must also face the truth of who she is and
Speaker 1: who she must become to save them all. Oh I
Speaker 1: love it. I'm like, right, I'm almost wait. I'm I
Speaker 1: did not alwait, It's already on my tbro. It's already
Speaker 1: on hold at my library. There was a like three
Speaker 1: month wait, and I'm gonna wait. I put an audiobook
Speaker 1: on hold, another book by Abby Jimenez. I don't think
Speaker 1: I talked about the book I read listen to because
Speaker 1: it's not spooky, but I really liked it, right, yours truly? No,
Speaker 1: yours truly? Yeah, okay, it was super cute. So then
Speaker 1: I put Just for the Summer on a hold, and
Speaker 1: I'm number nineteen and there's two copies in use. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's two weeks weeks long, the hold weeks Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't have spooky recommendations. I do have
Speaker 1: some updates before we go from this ex long episode,
Speaker 1: So update number one. We will be recording our book
Speaker 1: club episode very soon. Right, Yeah, I'm hoping to have
Speaker 1: those nuts notes nuts, Oh my god, I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: have those notes nuts on your mind apparently, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: to have those notes done by a few days so
Speaker 1: that we can record this and it can be out
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks at the latest. I need
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do this. But I would
Speaker 1: like to live stream these on Patreon and have our
Speaker 1: strains the book club. Yeah. Oh that would be cool,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how to do that yet, so
Speaker 1: I have to look into that. Yeah, so that's in progress,
Speaker 1: as in I have to will it be like chat?
Speaker 1: What do you think that's what we could do chat
Speaker 1: chat chat? Yeah, basically, can I get some notes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then what what was my other update? I actually
Speaker 1: don't know. We are gonna start doing episodes all in Spanish,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. We've already done it once for Historia's Unknown,
Speaker 1: and I think it went pretty well. Someone did message
Speaker 1: at Spooky Tales and said about the Spanish episode, Yeah
Speaker 1: that we did great. Oh thank you. I was great,
Speaker 1: me too. So we're gonna be doing that once? I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see. Now we're gonna be doing it once a
Speaker 1: month on a Spooky Taels. It's gonna be stories. We've
Speaker 1: already talked about what should we do first? I was
Speaker 1: thinking last Oh, yes, I like mm hm, but also
Speaker 1: I sepos and both are pretty sure together. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the sidings that we have found in then,
Speaker 1: so all that'd be fun, yeah, combine it. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll probably be the first one. In the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, we'll record it, and from then on we're
Speaker 1: gonna be once a month. So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1: And okay, I think those are my updates. If anyone
Speaker 1: wants to, If anyone's still here and you want to
Speaker 1: see our vlog about Denver, it is on Patreon. You
Speaker 1: can join the three dollars tier and that's when you
Speaker 1: can see it. You could even do the free trial
Speaker 1: and look at all our videos that were on there,
Speaker 1: because there's that vlog, and then there's one more from
Speaker 1: when we went to a hunted theater in Portland together.
Speaker 1: It's short compared to the Denver one. Oh and okay,
Speaker 1: I think that's it. Other than that, I'm still tired
Speaker 1: from Denver, but still very inspired. Oh yeah, such a
Speaker 1: good time. Yeah and okay, okay, we've talked about enough.
Speaker 1: I have to pee and go kempt I mean three times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: breaks I've been holding it for no reason. What was
Speaker 1: our listeners story about oh, I was gonna tie it
Speaker 1: to a chatterw Negative or something like that. Oh okay, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, don't make makeshift Wiji boards in the
Speaker 1: middle of school. Yeah no, let's stick to that. Yes, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: and say Swiki will get your ruin next time. Bye.