Speaker 1: So moving on from that, what do we have next,
Ladies and gentlemen, We have some oh Harry Potter castings.
Have you guys seen the latest on this?
Speaker 2: Guess a couple names and faces pop in in about.
Speaker 1: We got four like the four head honchos here right now.
We got Hagrid, we got Dumbledore, we got Snape and McGonagall.
So what do you guys want to start with? Who
want to who do want to talk about? McGonagall McGonagall. Ah.
Speaker 3: For me, I saw a couple of these names. I
didn't like deep dive on all of them. I didn't
see the McGonagall casting.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what, I'm trying to find it in
this article too, because I did not see that as well.
I saw the Snape, I saw the Hagrid, and I
saw I got a name. I got a name form
sh Sharon Morgan.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, right up, come on down.
Speaker 1: I am unfamiliar with what else she has been in,
so let's look at what her I amd is full of.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough for me just seeing these faces
because of course, Harry Potter I've just seen a million times,
and because I've never read the books. The faces that
I got on screen are just kind of who I
see these character as. So it's gonna be tough. You know,
the old Harry line, how dare you stand where they stood?
I feel like that might be hitting me a few
times by seeing these faces, but I'm gonna do my
best to not judge until.
Speaker 2: I see it. But I don't know. It's tough for
me to see this as McGonagall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that across the board, for me, what
stands out is like, Wow, they're going a lot younger
than the original crew, professors, whoever else that they had
for for those movies back in the day. And I'm
part of that. I'm wondering is like, oh is it
because I watched those movies as a kid and they
those people look like they were super old, but now
they aren't. But no, I mean, I think across the board,
like all the past scenes that we've seen so far,
whether it's just speculation or not, is like like at
least ten to twenty years younger. And especially for McGonagall,
I don't know how old the actress was in that
original movie sixty seven, right, and this actress looks like
forty mid forty fifty four, Like that Okay, there you go,
fifty four, but not a gray hair on that head
of hers. So I don't really know anything about this
actress that I've seen her in like a couple things.
I think the one thing that I have seen her
in is uh is Game Night. I forget what her
character's name in, Like she's in that movie. So yeah,
I don't know. It's it's interesting and some of these
are a little bit more low key actors. But I
also feel like, at least for me back in the day,
like I feel like when I first watched Harry Potter,
all the Professor characters, I think I'd never seen them
in any other movies in my life, but I think
they were all like fairly well established for their careers.
A lot of them that was their like breakout, our
biggest role that they ended up having. Right, But yeah,
I don't know. I guess going for some more unknownder
lower key is maybe a good way to go. And
then some of these are like bigger actors, but I
don't know. This one seems like she seems more like
a Trelawney or something to me, Like I don't know
if I see her as McGonagall, but at the same time,
I think it's a good route, not just to go younger.
Maybe that's a good route, like maybe producing a TV
show is gonna take a lot longer, and so they
want people who can age up a bit more. I
don't know, in a bit of a better way perhaps,
but yeah, I don't know. I feel like they also
do would do well to differentiate themselves from those previous castings,
because a lot of those are so iconic. I think
McGonagall you can get away with, but something like Snape,
I think it's a great idea to go for like
a drastically different type of cast casting than what we
had before, just because like that is such an iconic
role that is like ingrained in so many people, so
many people's minds, and I think it's, yeah, it's good to
go for like a different route. So I'm okay with
some of these, even if I don't see them right away.
I think that's maybe a good thing to switch it
up from like the status quo of what we've had before,
because it wasn't really that long ago, like the last
movie in what like twenty twelve or something like. It's
not like this is a thirty year old franchise or something.
It's still fairly modern ish if you think about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think it's because of what
I was saying earlier. How I never never read the
books first, so I never was able to like kind
of picture my own images from what was described in
the novels. I just got what was given to me
in the movies. It's always going to be kind of
hard for me to look past whoever they have. So
I do agree with the sense that maybe they should
really go in a different direction to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just separate it.
Speaker 3: Because if you don't want it to make it seem
like they're trying to recreate and capture like the image
of the previous actors, because it just won't be the same, right,
Like you can't just have a close to Alan Rickman
casting for snap Snape, like I think it would just
be seen as a bad attempt and then people will
just be criticized it in that regard. My favorite amongst
all of these is it would be Brett Goldstein. Goldstein,
however you say his name, the chap from ted Lasso
for Hagrid. I just think he's such like a hairy
bloke and uh, you know, Hagrid is a.
Speaker 4: Ha not Harry Potter, blow.
Speaker 2: Harry you h A I r y And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I I think I just really really loved him from
Ted Lasso.
Speaker 2: Of course he's Hercules now.
Speaker 3: In four seconds, so for four seconds, but he's still
he's still there, he's still cooking. Maybe we'll be fighting
Chris Evans, we'll see. But yeah, just out of all
of them, I think that's the one that really stands out,
or maybe not stands out, it stands in the right
direction for me with the casting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that one's that one's a that's a weird
one because as soon as I saw him, like, oh
this makes sense visually, I feel like I see it
on him and I can. I think I can picture
him with a huge head of hair and a beard,
I don't know, like like a big bushy beard. Normally
he has some scruff going on there. Yeah, but I
think for me, part of it in you know, once
again to my previous point, good to go a different
direction than what we had before. No one's gonna match
that earnestness that Robbie Coltrane had, right like, you want
to go a different direction. I think it's a good,
good call. But I feel like you at least need
Hagrid to be just a guy that you just instantly love,
very lighthearted, very funny. I think the voice is very important,
and to me, Brett has like just the deepest, grovelliest,
like demon voice, and like you know, I've only seen
him in Ted and then recently in Shrinking season two,
and like both shows, he plays just like a deeply
depressed character, and I feel like maybe that's just not
the best type casting for specifically what they want to
do with Hagrid here, and maybe he's had some other
performances where he is more of a light hearted guy
and he's smiling in more. So I need to see
this one. But I am excited to see like how
he portrays this character because I like, I like what
the actor could bring to the role. I think I
just that one's gonna take some getting used to for sure.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if that's just their new approach to
make it their their own things, just the pressing like
upset Hagrid just.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I feel like, you know, they they
probably do want to add more dimensions to all these characters.
That's the point of doing a TV show. You have
a lot more room to flesh them out. And I'm sure.
I mean I feel like even at moments like there
are some like you know, when he loses a dragon
and stuff, whatever is going on there, or there are
moments of sadness there. I feel like in the last
few movies we talked about this recently, like Hagrid just
like goes away like barely in some of those last
movies at all. And so I don't know, I think
that it is good to have maybe more dynamic nature
to like all these characters and explore these different sides
of it. So yeah, maybe they want to go with
a character who can like go to some lower places
at times. And I feel like, yeah, maybe Bread's a
great pick for someone to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: He does go to Askapan too briefly for Chamber of Secrets, right,
So I mean you could have someone just be super
upset about that. I mean, I don't know if he
faced off against any dementors or just going after him
and ask Kaban.
Speaker 4: But I mean Kirk rewatched it four minutes ago, so
I don't know, do you remember that or are you
saying that's in the book.
Speaker 1: Taylor Actually, well, in Chamber of Secrets. I don't they
arrest him in Chamber's Secrets. They rest him because he
was looked at as being the person who opened up
the chamber.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah he does. Yeh, got slurped up.
Speaker 3: Just just in regards to Brett Goldstein, it's funny that
you mentioned. Yeah, it's like super iconic gravelly voice. I
haven't seen shrinking, so I've only really seen him in
ted Lasso and then the two minutes of well two
seconds of Hercules, I guess. But he has a podcast
it's called Films to be Buried With, I believe, And
it's funny because he sounds so different actually, like like
in his normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I've ever listened to an interview
with him or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's just what his character is doing in those shows.
Speaker 2: And he's so good at like that type casting role.
Speaker 3: So I'm not surprised that, like he's had more similar
types of roles because he is just so fantastic in
ted Lasso as like the big, just tough, grizzly guy
who's gone, you know, got a tough It's like he's
always got his guard up and then you know, as
you go on with the show, you find he's just
a big softy underneath, and I think that big softie
underneath those moments that they have like in ted Lasso,
I think I see again like a more.
Speaker 2: Of a restrained Hagrid.
Speaker 3: But I definitely think he could he could hit that
that caliber. And yeah, I would also just love for
him to be seen as like a great Hagrid because
I think I don't want to just have him going
in that true like in that box of just being
the big, tough, gravelly depressed character for his whole career.
I don't think that'll be his whole career, but I yeah,
I would just like to see more of range from
that guy, because I do really like him. And yeah,
but it's just funny. It really threw me off the
first time I ever heard him on that podcast because
he just sounds so different from his character. Yeah, maybe
the Dementors get to them, like what your pitch?
Speaker 1: Well on the note you said caliber uh Mark Rylance,
Now he's apparently a prospect for a Dumbledore. I have
only seen him in one project, and that's the Ready
Player one.
Speaker 4: Do you mean Mark Strong?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because Mark Ryland wrong, Mark Rylance
for Dumbledore, and then Mark Strong more recently emerged as
a prospect for the part. So there are two potential
marks here they really like to.
Speaker 4: Play, Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So I like the pick of Mark Rylance
because I mean, I've only seen him in the one
role and I haven't seen bfgh. Maybe a little bits
and pieces of it, but uh no, I think that
I don't know that's that's a character that it would
be interesting to see how a new take would approach
with that, because we've had two interpretations of it, and
I think we discussed this in the reviews where that
original Dumbledore, the late Richard Harris. Seeing him in those
roles where Dumbledore has to be like fighting Bouldeward and
be a little bit more mobile, I can't picture it.
I feel like he just like would just kind of
like hover and float because he just seems so more
old wizard wizard type. But then you have the new
Dumbledore in these order the Phoenix movies and whatnot. He's
just casting like fucking not about a cadaborra but just
counter spells and just going crazy left, right and center.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like, still though both of those
he's like an old geezer, you know. And I feel
like this is like, okay, we're once again going younger,
which is across the board. But something I think about
all of these, it's hard for me to picture like
a younger Dumbledore. And I guess we did get that
with the hell There's was called fantastic beasts, but that's
I don't want to think about fantastic beasts. I feel
like maybe they're maybe they're trying to bridge the bridge
the gap there age wise, But yeah, I feel like
I don't have a ton of experience with aut of
these guys. Mark Strong seems like a decent pick.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not too familiar with the other guy, but I
don't know. This is another one where I I really
it's gonna take some getting used to for all these
I need to see them. I need to see what
their outfits look like, you know, Like is this dumble
door gonna have a beard and long hair and are
they gonna make them have like white hair and stuff
and throw a hat on him, or is he gonna
be like a young guy with like a shaved you know,
a nice clean shaven look like. I don't know, what
they're gonna do.
Speaker 3: Here, Especially in the case of Mark Strong, I feel
like I've never seen that man with facial hair other
than like a small little mustache or something.
Speaker 2: So like to just picture him with the big dumble
door beard, especially like Sorcerer's.
Speaker 3: Stone level duble Door where it's like it seems like
it's beard's to the floor, it's a big old pointy hat.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a it's a weird image.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, uh, it's almost like a cause play, right,
like like it's a recreation of someone else's character.
Speaker 2: And then it's funny with Mark Rylance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I looked him up, I definitely remember him
from any Player one, and he's just such a fucking
weird character.
Speaker 2: In that movie.
Speaker 3: So to like have that similar behavior, but like in
the dumble Doore role, it's just it's a funny concept
to me. But yeah, trying to judge it, I guess
for until I actually see the project, but I will
give my thoughts on what I think.
Speaker 1: Initially, Asthy in the chat said Jude Law, which I
totally forgot about Jude Law with Fantastic Beasts. I really
like Jude Law's interpretation, but Mark Strong, I think you're right. Yeah,
the facial hair thing. I think the only time I've
seen him with facial hair it would have been in
the Penguin and that was just a very brief scene.
But he's a very good actor, but I can't picture
him as a dumble Dore and I would definitely put
the other Mark what.
Speaker 2: Level of facial air does he have? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like just like a light like
just yeah.
Speaker 3: So he's always got like a very minor little.
Speaker 4: Mind, but the hair on top of his head seems
to be very low so gone, yes, which I guess Dumbledore,
you drop a hat on it, maybe we don't even notice.
But I do feel like also something Dumbledore like more
from the books that doesn't necessarily transfer over to the
movies is like a whimsy to him and like a
bit more silly and jovial at times in kind of
like an old wizardy sort of type of way. And
I feel like they went for much more serious or
a character who has a lot of wisdom and kind
of took away some of those elements to it. And
I feel like Mark Strong, specifically not Rylance, to be precise,
here could be the guy who brings in that kind
of that kind of goofiness to it. So that's something
i'd like to see.
Speaker 1: This is the the book Dumbledore.
Speaker 4: Con artist, right, so he's like he's a that's brown hair,
that is a young that is a youthful wizard.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: There's the other.
Speaker 2: Image because there's an old double door right next to it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this one, but I know that
this is the Philosopher's Stone back of the book.
Speaker 4: We can change in ten years at Hoglart's Yes.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy, so yeo, I mean, what would we
cover all of the names.
Speaker 4: The last one was Snape, which was this actor's name.
That's what I'm trying to find, Papa do.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying that last name correctly.
Speaker 2: Probably not good time.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen him in any other projects.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go check out his IMBB as we speak.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna follow Dylan on Black Mirror.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I've seen him in an episode, but I
don't remember that. Men and Men Okay, well, I only
think of the one guy in Man who played every
character and then the main girl. I don't oh, I
think maybe he was the boyfriend in that, which isn't
He's not like actively in it. He's just like in
flashbacks and stuff like she's just thinking about him from
what I can remember. So really I can't picture him
like actually acting. He's more just like a guy who's
who's been around murder on the Oriente Express. So there
you go. I guess I've seen him in a few things,
but I don't have any strong memories of of any
of these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen any of these projects, so
I really can't judge the gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think whoever they find this is probably going to
be the hardest role to to fill, just because like
all all of the actors that played like their you know,
their positions, it's a weird way to say that they're
who they're casta.
Speaker 2: I guess the roles. There you go, that's the word I.
Speaker 4: Was looking at.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I went with a sports reference there,
but uh, yeah, for all the actors that played their
their specific roles in those original Harry Potter films, it's
it's gonna be hard to replace. But I just feel
like for Snape specifically, it's just such a such a
powerful like r I think that character goes through and
specifically with just having Alan Rickman do such a spectacular
job and all kind of the different sides of Snape
that we see, like throughout all the different movies, he
kind of goes through a lot of just different stuff
with his character. Most of it's kind of behind the
scenes in the earlier films, but I think once we
get to the like just the reveal by the end
of the series, it makes all of those moments just
like uplifted in Hindsight, and no matter what actor you're
gonna have, like, it's going to be just so difficult
to get a similar effect. So I'm curious kind of
the role of Snape and if it's going to be
such a significant one in this new telling of the start, Like, well,
it's not a new telling, it is a retelling. They're
going to be hitting the same markers I would imagine,
following like just the original source material. But yeah, no,
I think this is gonna be a real hard one
to yeah.
Speaker 2: Just fill.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that this is another one just like
the others, where I think it's a good direct, good
direction to go to just not try and get an
Alan Rickman two point.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: We've talked about that so much in the Marvel perspective, like, man,
who are they gonna get to do Wolverine? And it
turns out that they just caught Hugh Jackman to come
back and play Wolverine more because like sometimes a character
is just so synonymous with a specifical actor, it's really
hard to get away from that. And I think in
this case, obviously Alan Rickman's not coming back, he's not
around anymore, so they're gonna have to go a different
route here as they are with everyone here, and so
I think this is this is an interesting route to
go if anyone doesn't know this actor. He is black,
so obviously that is a very big departure from one
what Alan Rickman's character portrayal, of course is like. But
also from the books and like the you call it
the canon description of these characters as far as I
remember from the book. Uh so, But I'm all for
it because like these books and movies are like, there's
not a lot of diversity in them. In general, it's
most like ninety nine percent white people. And then you
have the odd minor character of color who's like in
there and has like no real two lines, yeah, exactly,
has like no relevance on the story at all, And
so I hope that they go this route with like
multiple characters in terms of like, I don't even you
can even gender swap some characters too, for all I care. Like,
you know, obviously for some maybe more mainstay ones, you
want to keep that because it's important to what the
character is, but for other ones that you definitely mess
around with that. And I don't know, I think this
is this is a totally fine thing to do as well.
I just in terms of this actor, I can't recall
the performances I've seen him in enough to say if
he pulls off the snape angle of it, But I
don't know. I'm all for this in concept, so we'll see,
we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3: I'm all for it again, gender swapping pretty much anyone
in here. But the one that I think they maybe
should stay away from is going from moaning Myrtle to
something like moaning Mike.
Speaker 2: You know it's wo't wouldn't be hit in the same effect.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I pictured like a gas station worker,
like just a gristly old guy when you said.
Speaker 2: That the trucker had or something. Yeah, moaning Mike the
boys level laboratory.
Speaker 4: There, my god, that would be something else.
Speaker 1: I did see another name for professor McGonagall, Rachel Wise,
who last she was in Black Widow.
Speaker 2: Rachel Wise.
Speaker 1: That's the Mummy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Mummy lady. Damn.
Speaker 3: I mean I I think she's absolutely fantastic. I like
her in everything that I've seen her in, which is
probably like three titles total.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually liked this as well. I like this
pick as well.
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm more I can't picture specific Roller Syndroom,
but I like this pick. I think it's a good one.
Speaker 3: Do we know if they're sticking to the same rule
that they kind of did with the original movies of
like only casting British actors, that's kind.
Speaker 2: Of what's going on right now.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think all these people we've talked about
have been is Mark Strong an American guy.
Speaker 1: That they're all Brits?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Rachel Yes, I thought she was not.
Speaker 1: I believe she is.
Speaker 4: Let me pull American American English American Okay, Okay, born Westminster, London.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's all they need. Yeah, like
they don't need like a birth certificate to get you in.
But like, if you're close, I'm sure that they'll they'll
allow it to slide. But yeah, I guess. So far,
it seems like a lot of the casting has been
in that realm uh. We'll see if they venture past
that or like what characters they allow themselves to break
that rule on because they're obviously going for like known
actors for the professors and such.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is there any that we didn't break down yet?
Any rumored castings?
Speaker 1: Well, Dalton and the Chat just throw it an interesting one.
Adam Driver a Snape for Snape.
Speaker 4: I think I think he's too he's too bombastic, he's
too loud and big, and maybe he could he could
shrink down and be you know, more minuscule and his
performance more subtle. But I don't. I don't know if
I I don't know, I don't think I've seen him
do it before, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: He's got the hair, absolutely, I feel like he's too
jacked for Snape, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's gonna lose like one hundred pounds.
Speaker 4: If you're making potions for a living and teaching people
to make potions, you are not jacked.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not unless you make a potion that makes
you jack.
Speaker 4: Potion of strength. Yeah, okay, yeah, possibly possible. Yeah problem
potion problem.
Speaker 1: All right, Twell, we're gonna move on from our Harry
Potter casting discussion. We're gonna get into some Lord of
the Rings topics here right after this quick ad break
to Middle Earth and we are back. Oh my goodness, no.
Speaker 4: Ads in Middle earthy Like, I've never seen a sign
for like a shop.
Speaker 2: Well, they have menus, right, we discussed that.
Speaker 4: There isn't there is that is established that there is.
Speaker 3: But so if there's menus, there's probably some marketing material,
you think, so, Like I I feel like that's the
next step. I'm not going to say one goes hand
in hand.
Speaker 4: Which kingdom would be like into that kind of thing?
I feel like definitely what's his name in the white
in the White Tower on door, Yeah, Dennis thora I
could see him whipping out some ads. I guess. I
feel like Hobbits might be into advertisements. You know that's
another one I could see. Yeah, Yeah, it's Kirkland there always.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Thanks for.
Speaker 2: Having me, guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Dennisthor would be running those apps
more door, probably not so much. There's not a lot
of currency going on.
Speaker 1: But there their family, their their families out there. I
just got appeal to the family man and the baby
or yeah baby.
Speaker 2: Orcs collar workers.
Speaker 4: That's that's more. That's more door.
Speaker 3: It's like the the Henry Ford era. You know, people
are just they can feed their wife and kids with
a factory workers salary.
Speaker 2: That's the mortor they probably want.
Speaker 3: Honestly, that's kind of what my gosh, I'm going to
my rings of power and now theories on what was
the was the bloke that was betrayed by all of
his children?
Speaker 1: My gosh, what was his name?
Speaker 4: You know what, Dylan, I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 2: We'll say that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy, that's what he is, Henry Ford.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, around around here, that guy.
Speaker 3: Oh you know that's the that's the wood elf, isn't
it around?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: I thought you had it there for something. It's something
short and sweet there. Gonna look it up because we're
circling like a couple of sharks. There are fold they
don't want to take the butt yet you were.
Speaker 1: Close, Stylan.
Speaker 2: It was an at A A n R or something
right at all?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, Anal, that's what we're well.
Speaker 1: On that note of Adar Lords of Rings. We have
a lot of very interesting stuff here. I think two
big time topics of discussion here with Vigo riding his
horse back or maybe the studio has been riding their
horses to him because they're basically trying to wrangle him up. Yeah,
and I'll go style for another appearance in Lord of
the Rings. I think that's you know, hunt for Gollum
is what they're trying to like snag him for and
maybe in the long run it could turn into multiple
other projects, because I think that's what they're kind of
looking at the good old Ian for mister Gandalf, because
I think that they want to just get him on
the get him on behind the camera and just not
behind the camera, get him in front of the camera
and just get him in a bunch of scenes so that
they can use him in a bunch of different projects.
I think that's the is my interpretation, because he seems
to be pretty gung ho for a lot of things
right now. But yeah, Vigo, what do you guys think
about this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've talked about it a lot recently. It's come
up quite a few times. It's one of those things
like money talks. I feel like he wouldn't want to
do it. But then like if a bunch of other
people come back, I feel like they, ah, fine, I'll
do it, of course with a truckload of golden coins.
But I don't know. I'm very skeptical about a lot
of this Lord of the Ring stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I can always just enjoy my original trilogy, but like,
I don't want this stuff to ruin my opinion of
any of these characters or actors or this world.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I I'm gonna forever have you know that
that trilogy that no matter what they come out and
do and release, I will always have that. It'll be untouched.
They can't change my physical copies that I have. I'll
forever be able to enjoy those. But I I will say,
I feel like, out of any character, you can make
arguments for a lot of different characters in the Tolkien universe,
specifically ones that were in the Lord of the Rings
trilogy that Peter Jackson did, Like for those actors and
the characters that were shown, you can make a case
for a lot.
Speaker 2: Of them that you could do a good story.
Speaker 3: With pretty much all of them, but I feel like
for Aragorn and Vigo, I feel like that is like
the golden one to do, just just.
Speaker 2: The idea of like Vigo.
Speaker 3: I would want it to be not a prequel or
anything like that, because like we're already you know, we've
already talked about Hunt for Gollum and all that stuff.
But I would really want, like my best case scenario
something like later in his in his rule, like when
he is actually old grizzled, like you know, when.
Speaker 1: You have you have.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: It's when Aoin is basically like just sad about the
idea of leaving for the.
Speaker 2: Arwin, not ill Win.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I said her Arwin is sad
about leaving for the the Undying Lands because she's gonna
be leaving aer Gorn. And then you have l Ron
basically just saying like, no matter what happens if you stay,
he's going to eventually die, even though he can live
a very long time. And then you see those shots
of him like an old grizzled man man, Like I
feel like there is a juicy story you could tell,
or yeah, you could tell with Vigo's character kind of
in that era of his rule, and it wouldn't just
feel like it is them throwing him back in his
ranger uniform, like like it is no time passed, you know,
Like I would really want that to be the last
resort maybe having like a story that's super close to
the time of the events the Lord of the Rings,
I would want something very distance. And Yeah, it's just
a really good opportunity to tell kind of like like
we've seen Vigo go through the rise of becoming the King,
you know, the return of the King, Like we saw
that whole adventure, but let's let's have him like decades
later after the Rain of Yeah King LSR. I just
feel like there's a lot of sweet Jews there that.
Speaker 2: And it's also I feel like because we have Rings of.
Speaker 3: Power, that's of course set different universes, but like thousands
of years before the events the Lord of the Rings,
like we just have a lot of stuff kind of
before that's those events, but really nothing afterwards.
Speaker 2: Right, Like there's the the.
Speaker 3: Hidden Lost Tale of I can't remember, I can't remember
what it was even called, but Tolkien started writing like
a sequel to the Lord of the Rings. It's it's
basically just the new type of sour on threat that's rising,
but it never really got that much. I don't know
written before he passed. So I just think there's a
lot of good, juicy stories that could be told, like
well after the events of the Lord of the Rings, and.
Speaker 1: It's just the spirit of Denosaur coming back.
Speaker 3: No denis or let him rest, let him wrestle with
the thought of his sons in his mind. And in
this this you know, supposed world, I'm kind of setting
up like all those characters would be long gone because
he's kind of the only dude in a dying right
around at least the events of the movies of Lord
of the Rings.
Speaker 2: So I would.
Speaker 3: Expect I don't even know why I'm pitching this as
if it's like something said in Stone, It's just in
my fantasy world, this is kind of what we're getting and.
Speaker 1: Stick around. I can't remember if he went to the
un dying Lands, because I think him and like his
fon no he stayed with yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah he so I guess yeah, they get bloom back
in he would he would be the character that has
to look the exact same right, because he would be
like the r Win situation where he isn't aging, uh
at the same rate as someone like even the Dunodyne
would be.
Speaker 1: They're pretty cool. We'll have them both in a duo movie.
Speaker 2: Keep Orlando bloom Away. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I I liked him in the role, but the more
I see of that guy, I'm just like, I don't
think he's.
Speaker 2: A good actor at all. I love him at Pirates,
but I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just I like the stuff that's going on around
him more so than specifically his performances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what you guys have said is I
resonate with it. I think you guys hit it pretty
spot on. And putting him in the Strider gear and
putting him back in a prequel, it is a little
weird after seeing him kind of go on this transition
and this journey and we already know his endgame and
know his story. It's it's definitely appealing to see him
in a position where, like you Pitch Kirkle and having
him in the future setting. I like that a lot.
I think there's a lot of possibilities there, But just
to have him and his character come back at all,
I will take it. I will take it. And yeah,
I'm gonna remain optimistic to see how they do it,
and as long as it's not shoehorned in there, because
there are some characters that feel a little bit shoehorned
in with those Hobbit movies. And I'm just are they
doing it because it fits with a story or are
they doing it because we're trying to cash in with
the fans in the community. Right, Yeah, they're cashion, So
I just hope that that's not going to be the case. Here.
They take their time and they actually weave together a
pretty intricate story. But speaking of stories, my goodness. So
from what I've seen from these articles and people are
reporting on this, it looks like, Okay, depending on how
the new film War that we're hearing is going to do,
and depending on how very early stages of development the
Hunter galam is going to do, this is going to
basically set the tone for future projects. And I think
that they're looking at standalone projects. And we've talked about
this before when they were just name dropping all these
rumors like oh, we're gonna give an ergarm movie again
off movie Yeah, yeah, yeada. So it looks like they're
talking about War the or here them sequel, talking about
a whole new mainline trilogy in Lord of the Rings
in that same vein no idea about what they're thinking
time period wise, but they're basically like saying, and I
quote anything Professor Tolkien wrote, you see the layers and
layers of story that's underneath there, and how interconnected they
all are, and so end quote, that's basically their sandbox.
They want to pull from all these stories. But afterwards,
I'm pretty sure how they were talking about it Hunt
for Gollum and then after maybe doing like a mainline
trilogy and then getting into some more standalone films. What
do you guys think about all these ideas?
Speaker 4: It's pretty bold, pretty bold, yeah, I mean I think
really what it's gonna come down to in terms of animated,
that one's pretty simple. They're just gonna see how Rohrom does.
Looking like it's not gonna do amazing, who knows, maybe
it'll pick up over the holidays and end up having
a pretty good run. There's so many other movies really
seen though, that it's hard to envision that happening. I
would love if it did, though, So I kind of
feel like that's gonna be a bit of a one
and done in terms of the animated thing. That's what
it's looking right looking like right now. And I think
for Hunt for Gollum, like that movie is gonna do
well when you bring back a lot of those main
players again, people are gonna be interested, They're gonna want
to go see that. A lot of people. It seems
like I've been kind checked out, like it Rings the
Power numbers are pretty good, but at least from my
Lord of the Rings friends who I talk to about
this stuff, they're like, oh, yeah, I never really got
around a season two and they don't even know about
this animated movie, or they're like I might see it later,
or like let me know how it is after you
review it, Like that's how the conversations usually go. And
those are like people who are diehard fans for this stuff.
So I feel like it's it's like that's the kind
of thing that would bring people back, is getting those
legacy actors to come back and play those characters again.
But once again, I feel like I kind of hope
from their side too, even just a business wise like
CEO Hunt for Gollum does and then go from there,
It does kind of feel like Okay, is it just
gonna be like cash grab, like bring back these old
actors rather than telling new interesting stories that expand the world.
I don't know. But maybe that's just the point of
Rings of Power. That can be the separate interesting, new
cool thing, different castings, and then we can have like
the movies in the theaters that are just kind of
cash grabs, but like maybe they're if they're fine movies,
you know, maybe that's all we need. So I don't know.
I think it's I think we're far away from getting
another trilogy, would be my guess, just because I think
they want to wait and see how these movies do
and then like think about it and then maybe start
green light and like all that process takes years and
years and years. So I think we're pretty far away
from it. But I don't know. We're kind of getting
way more Lord of the Rings content than I would
have expected five years ago, So maybe I'm just totally
wrong on that and it's about to pop off even bigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a trilogy is not what I want.
In the Lord of the Rings vein, I don't want them.
Speaker 4: It's a big commitment too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, absolutely, And it also just In my mind,
it makes me think that they just want to like, man,
let's just recreate, let's recapture the Peter Jackson trilogy, you know,
and it's they had to bring him back to do
another trilogy with the Hobbit and that I mean, I
guess it made a lot of money. So I'm not
really good at judging that, and I haven't even seen
the projects, Like I shouldn't really judge it, but I
think that there's if you're committing to a trilogy, you're
committing to a very long can like a contained story, right,
like it all has to be attached to each other.
You have to have progression from movie one to movie
two to movie three. That's a very very big story
to tell, and there's so many pieces and money involved
in getting that out the door. Whereas I feel like
you're losing maybe certain creative freedoms of having a big
budget for a single story that's told over three movies,
or have that big budget broken down into multiple smaller Yeah,
just smaller ideas, whether it's in the animated Vein or
I don't know, a different TV show or just smaller
budget movies. Like I we're not we don't need to
have an insane budget to make an amazing story. And
I think that's I'm fearful that they're thinking that they
can just throw big, big buku boku boku dollars.
Speaker 2: Into uh.
Speaker 3: Into into Lord of the Rings and just get gold
out of it, like you can't just buy these golden gooses,
and I I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would really love to see.
Speaker 3: A lower budget Lord of the Rings project and what
they're able to do with that. And I say lower
budget probably still you know, close to one hundred million dollars,
but let's go, let's go less than one hundred million dollars.
Let's set the bar there. I don't need boku dollars.
There you go, that's my dollars successful.
Speaker 1: I would love to see a trilogy focusing on more
god trilogy just his like his his fall first time
he falls, then he like I'm assuming he rises back
up to power, and him teaming up with Onngoliant and
then him facing off against Angoliants and like more goth
like sitting on his army of bower rogs like I
want to see on screen, like give me that final
battle with like six seven bowrocks, just all charging it like,
oh my god.
Speaker 3: Your budget for this movie that you're pitching is proof.
It's like a Mojo Mojo Universe number. It's just incalculable.
Speaker 1: Craven under has got nothing on this budget I'll talk about.
But I think it's such a beautiful world where you
could really kind of get into those kind of really
awesome fight scenes. And that's what I like about Rings
of Power for the you know, it does a lot
of things that are questionable and a lot of other things, right,
but the battles and those sequences, I really do enjoy it,
and I think it's it's a lot of fun, like
that opening Rings the Power Season one, episode one, that
brief little opening of just this the aisleves arriving in
Middle Earth and that whole battle where you have the
the Nasgoul or the riders what is it that they're ah,
what are they riding again? They're flying on the fell Beasts? Yes,
thank you, the Fell Beasts versus the Eagles, Like, oh,
I just want to give me a trilogy of just
that one battle just through like six at nine hours
of just.
Speaker 4: This battle of five armies. We've we've been there before, Taylor,
but a trilogy of It, the Bettle, the fifteen Armies.
Speaker 1: I'd be there for sure. Well, anything else, Sally forth.
Speaker 3: And then we're still talking about Lot of the Rings,
you know, like like what you're saying doing like five
years ago and never would have been imagining that we're
talking about all these like multiple Lord of the Rings projects.
Although I'm not like the most positive and all the
stuff that's coming out, it's it's still it's still awesome
that you know, it's not just captured in the two
thousand and five realm. We can still expand upon this
universe that the great and powerful Tolkien set us on.
Speaker 1: Great powerful Well, we're gonna jump to probably our last
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