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Speaker 3: The fact that I that I am a Tower Gang
Speaker 3: and enjoyer should not reflect upon the church in any way,
Speaker 3: shape or form, just just to just to distance the church.
Speaker 3: The church is a great place. I am a degenerate
Speaker 3: that has found Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yes I have not, but but I don't know. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're we are all a little bit degenderate in our
Speaker 1: own different ways, but I I don't think it's always
Speaker 1: necessarily that bad. It's okay to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of fun. But today we brought you on to talk
Speaker 1: about Martianism. You uh, you know kind of I know,
Speaker 1: I like to farm my people for content. I like
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys, and you seem to make
Speaker 1: an appeal for it. Now it strikes me from the
Speaker 1: little tiny bit I've dug into, the Martianism strikes me
Speaker 1: as basically gnocissism. Is there any sort of meaningful difference
Speaker 1: between it and Mossism or is it just some sect
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 3: Major difference for sure that that's actually one of the
Speaker 3: things that we we like to differentiate to say, it's
Speaker 3: it's we have certain things in common in the sense
Speaker 3: that a lot of Gnostic Christians are non Judeo. Marcian
Speaker 3: Knights are also non Judeo as well. But one of
Speaker 3: the key differences is like, uh, you know, and Gnostics
Speaker 3: are going to get mad right away five minutes in
Speaker 3: and I'm already gonna make some make some friends. But
Speaker 3: they seem to let Yahweh, the Juh Jewish God live
Speaker 3: rent free in their head for their entire lives. They
Speaker 3: just wake up and find reasons to be angry at yahweh,
Speaker 3: rather than waking up and finding reasons to appreciate Jesus.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the key difference is that they're moulding
Speaker 1: about and you guys aren't.
Speaker 3: Not a difference, but a lot of Gnostics will use
Speaker 3: like the Naghamadi highly recommended though like as a Marcia
Speaker 3: und I still read it and like I, you know,
Speaker 3: the Testamentum, you can only read through it so many,
Speaker 3: so many times. You got to, you know, get something new,
Speaker 3: fresh things to I'm a ponderer. I like I have
Speaker 3: a stack of a bunch of different bibles over to
Speaker 3: my right. I have a weird affinity of collecting old bibles.
Speaker 3: I just think they're neat and interesting. And the Nagamaditi
Speaker 3: Nagamadi is one that I want to actually put in
Speaker 3: my physical collection. But it's it's certainly interesting, especially if
Speaker 3: you like read the Book of Genesis and you're like, huh,
Speaker 3: there's got to be something more here. The Namadi is like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's more here, but that's not Marsianism. And I'd like
Speaker 3: to talk more about that than Hebrew nonsense, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And well, I guess just to say a little
Speaker 1: bit in the Hebrew nonsense is maybe an opening to
Speaker 1: kind of get into what it is. I guess this
Speaker 1: is more kind of in the realm of what makes
Speaker 1: it similar. And I think maybe I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk past our audience here because I know what like
Speaker 1: the kind of what I'm driving at, you know, and
Speaker 1: what we're talking about when you say they're non Judeo.
Speaker 1: But I guess kind of, I mean maybe kind of
Speaker 1: like maybe we should just spell it out for our audience,
Speaker 1: like kind of this key difference between like Judeo Christianity
Speaker 1: and like the is the Gnostics or the Marsianists or
Speaker 1: what what is that key difference?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: And if I guess I could pass it off to
Speaker 1: you to lay lay out, I mean, I know I can.
Speaker 1: It's obviously that uh and funny enough as me being
Speaker 1: someone who is an agnostic atheist, it's kind of an
Speaker 1: appealing argument in a sense because it is like if
Speaker 1: you do look at the full body of the Bible,
Speaker 1: you do see the Old Testament, New Testament, and you
Speaker 1: do see like it's always this like weird, confounded argument
Speaker 1: about some sort of Jesus did something in relation to law,
Speaker 1: and that's how it's somehow different than it was before
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck, and so therefore, you know, it
Speaker 1: was okay that he was a dick and was like,
Speaker 1: you know, totally advocating genocide and like, you know, doing
Speaker 1: all this crazy like murder everyone except for the women
Speaker 1: that still have their hymens, like like just insane, like
Speaker 1: barbaric stuff. And then you're like, but then New Testament comes,
Speaker 1: You're like, we're chill now, something to do with the
Speaker 1: law or something, so we're cool. You know, depending on
Speaker 1: your interpretation, somehow it makes you you find a way
Speaker 1: to connect those two dots, whereas it seems like Gnocissism
Speaker 1: Marsianism is gone. Ah, no, your your instinct is correct.
Speaker 1: You got bamboozled, which leads to this inevitable Okay, well
Speaker 1: then there was a death cult and we might still
Speaker 1: be seeing that today. But I'll pass it off to
Speaker 1: you to kind of lay it out. I guess I
Speaker 1: kind of kind kind of revealed it there a little bit.
Speaker 1: But go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, no, you're not by no means you're stepping on
Speaker 3: any toes. It's uh, you're you're allowed to write It
Speaker 3: is pretty funny, isn't it. House You don't have to
Speaker 3: get any more than I think nine chapters into Genesis
Speaker 3: to go like, wait a minute, he's sent to angels
Speaker 3: down to a place to go get raped or something
Speaker 3: like that. Me sorry about YouTube, but you're not like
Speaker 3: live right now? Are you?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: You're good? You say whatever. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, I won't put it on YouTube, so
Speaker 1: I should.
Speaker 3: I should still church it up a little bit. But
Speaker 3: it is, you know. I mean to use the very
Speaker 3: very realistic term of what exactly was happening, you know,
Speaker 3: But I think it better to focus on what Marcianism
Speaker 3: is is. It's it stems from a guy called Marciano Sinape.
Speaker 3: He went and followed, uh or he didn't follow. He
Speaker 3: went to where Paul went and wrote and collected all
Speaker 3: of his writings. He is very we I have a
Speaker 3: whole timeline pulled up over here of everything that he did.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to read everything off to him, but
Speaker 3: he was born in seventy CE right there. And he
Speaker 3: goes off and he follows the path that Paul took
Speaker 3: and collects everything. I can get a little bit more
Speaker 3: into the timeline later, but he gathers up all the
Speaker 3: works and makes the first Christian Scripture and then hands
Speaker 3: it off to the churches of that time and said,
Speaker 3: here you go, I did all this work, and he
Speaker 3: was thanked by being excommunicated, exiled and all that. But
Speaker 3: to answer the root of your question, like the difference,
Speaker 3: because there are a few, but there are more than
Speaker 3: one sex of Christianity that kind of point out the
Speaker 3: hypocrisies in the Old Testament. The difference between Marcianism and
Speaker 3: all of those is, well, why are you still reading
Speaker 3: the Old Testament? Why do you why do you still
Speaker 3: give it the why do you still venerate it as
Speaker 3: holy texture, a texture scripture as holy texts, holy scripture?
Speaker 3: Same thing, and why do you still even use it?
Speaker 3: Why do you why do you even let your kids
Speaker 3: read this? You know at that point and more or less, uh,
Speaker 3: we just kind of simplified. Well, it's not simplified. He
Speaker 3: he has had the first right. That's another thing is
Speaker 3: many the claims that people say, ridiculous thing. Apparently Marcion
Speaker 3: was a celibate, but he had a sex cult. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a Again, I have a whole nother list of
Speaker 3: things that just don't make sense. Where they were trying
Speaker 3: to bash this guy in an extremely unfair way.
Speaker 1: To be fair, it could be like a semen retention cult.
Speaker 1: And so there's the there's the there's the you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's the thing these days.
Speaker 3: November ever just no nut ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a no nutting cult, which I guess in
Speaker 1: a certain sense is a sex cult. But it's the
Speaker 1: it's the lack thereof really but go on.
Speaker 3: As ridiculous as that sounds, but no getting getting a
Speaker 3: little bit back to the less silliness of it. It's
Speaker 3: just quite simply, it's the most rude removed from Judeo
Speaker 3: Christianity you could possibly be. You like it has I
Speaker 3: mean I have it right here actually at the Marcy
Speaker 3: Nite Church of Christ dot org. You can pick yourself
Speaker 3: up a nice copy of this. They have a hard
Speaker 3: copy of a soft soft copy. And it has not
Speaker 3: only it has the Evangelicon, which is just kind of
Speaker 3: Jesus' story in one book, not split into four gospels.
Speaker 3: And it has all I think all of Paul's works,
Speaker 3: with some of Paul's works weren't brought into the Holy
Speaker 3: Bible that is the current canon, as well as we
Speaker 3: have the first Psalm book that you actually can't find
Speaker 3: in the current Bible, as well as some of Marcion's
Speaker 3: own works. He has some really like like really metal
Speaker 3: stuff in here. Like you, I would I would recommend
Speaker 3: reading one book from here, and it would actually not
Speaker 3: be anything that's in the current Bible. I would read
Speaker 3: Marcian's Homily to Romans where he's talking that he's essentially
Speaker 3: he's in prison. This is when he came back and
Speaker 3: they have he's writing while he's bound, and he doesn't
Speaker 3: know what they're going to do with them because he's
Speaker 3: committed the crime of being a good scholar. And he's
Speaker 3: talking about how, you know, the beasts they have prepared
Speaker 3: for me. This guy thinks that he's gonna get eaten alive,
Speaker 3: and he's like, you know, don't don't you know feel
Speaker 3: bad for me. This is what you should be doing
Speaker 3: as a Christian. You are going to be, you know,
Speaker 3: you're not going to have an easy life. You are
Speaker 3: going to be you know, attacked by for what you
Speaker 3: believe because of the evil people that are in this world.
Speaker 3: And I'm doing exactly what Jesus is asking me to do.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, uh okay. To be clear, I guess I
Speaker 1: was kind of driving at So, to be very clear,
Speaker 1: the the idea here is, I guess there's the same
Speaker 1: exact thing with these two with Nacism and Marsianism, is
Speaker 1: that the the you guys see the the God of
Speaker 1: the Old Testament as not the same god as the
Speaker 1: New Testament or is there a different way of understanding it?
Speaker 3: Perhaps correct? Okay, more or less the difference between Marsianism
Speaker 3: and Gnostics. Gnostics still think that Yahweh and whatever name
Speaker 3: you use for the Jewish God is a legitimate god
Speaker 3: or deity or demiurge or whatever word you want to
Speaker 3: put on it. He is still a god, but he's
Speaker 3: a god of wrath. He's a god of war. Whereas
Speaker 3: Marcianites like you can still technically be a Marcianite and
Speaker 3: believe like you could be like a Marciankite pagan. That's
Speaker 3: not like, we're not going to tell you you can't
Speaker 3: be in our church and believe those things. But the
Speaker 3: the core belief of Marsianism is that Yahweh is either
Speaker 3: likely early man's first interactions with the devil, and if
Speaker 3: you were if you were to meet the devil, you
Speaker 3: would think that he's a god too, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: like think about what think about what power the devil has? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and if you were to meet him, like out of fear,
Speaker 3: one could definitely worship a devil, so that the idea
Speaker 3: is that he's either like a lesser, certainly not a god,
Speaker 3: or probably most likely just made up, you know, like
Speaker 3: why why did the thunder happen?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yahweh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so kind of a god of the gaps, but
Speaker 1: perhaps or maybe a little bit of an evil, more
Speaker 1: of an aggrigor than an actual entity. Really is a
Speaker 1: kind of is kind of what it's driving at, which
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize that the Nastics were actually believing
Speaker 1: that it was a legit god, like I guess, I
Speaker 1: guess I kind of assumed that they thought that, Like
Speaker 1: I guess it really to put too much though onto
Speaker 1: if they thought there was a legitimate god or I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I would have thought to be a demon.
Speaker 1: Although even then, I guess with the Nastics they have
Speaker 1: they tend to have some weird I know, it gets
Speaker 1: some weird like Adam and then this they have a
Speaker 1: weird whole weird. I mean, use you guys as not
Speaker 1: to get tun into the weeds of the founding story?
Speaker 3: But is it? Is it very much?
Speaker 1: You kind of know what I'm driving at with some
Speaker 1: of the weird The oddness is a little. I mean,
Speaker 1: I say it's convoluted, but then again, so is Genesis
Speaker 1: or really any any you know creation story if you're
Speaker 1: not familiar with it. But I know the Nastics have
Speaker 1: kind of a slightly different take. Is Marsianism the same
Speaker 1: or is it somehow find a way to stay more
Speaker 1: in line with a more common on standing with Christianity's Genesis.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess to you know, pun intended somewhat.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't really we don't really abscribe to it.
Speaker 3: Like I brought up Genesis, but we don't really we
Speaker 3: don't have a creation story. Martianism lets you kind of
Speaker 3: like there there isn't a a set in stone like
Speaker 3: this is what happened at the beginning beginning of a time,
Speaker 3: and this is why you know, Adam and Eve were
Speaker 3: kicked out of heaven, and this is why this our
Speaker 3: scriptures starts in twenty nine CE, November twenty fourth. We
Speaker 3: know it was a Thursday. Jesus descended from heaven. And
Speaker 3: that's another distinction there is no virgin birth. Gnostics entertained
Speaker 3: the idea. I assume you know, every Gnostic is going
Speaker 3: to be different from person to person, but they entertained
Speaker 3: the virgin birth idea, and they all these other gnostic texts,
Speaker 3: and there were gnostics before Christ, and the Gnostics you know,
Speaker 3: took the story of Christ. Now I'm not saying they
Speaker 3: perverted it. They you know, like confirmation bias. Right if
Speaker 3: if you heard about like, oh man, this guy, this
Speaker 3: guy Jesus was healing people, and did you hear that
Speaker 3: last Friday they crucified him. He came back, you know,
Speaker 3: in this and that, you'd think, well, wow, you know,
Speaker 3: as as a Gnostic, they already I think were polygamous
Speaker 3: back then, don't quote me, so obviously you would take
Speaker 3: that as like, obviously this is proof of of divine something,
Speaker 3: you know, and they would just stick it in with
Speaker 3: what they already knew, and they would you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's not a perversion in a more of an adaptation.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess that makes sense, I think, But
Speaker 1: if you do think the Old Testament is is kind
Speaker 1: of you know, the product of either an imagine God
Speaker 1: or a demon or the devil or some sort of
Speaker 1: it would make sense to'd be like, well this is
Speaker 1: all nonsense, so like obviously I'm not going to miss
Speaker 1: any So yeah, I guess it would make sense to
Speaker 1: start from Jesus showed up there there From there we start, Uh, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I guess now I think we've we probably start laying
Speaker 1: out what exactly Marsianism is. I guess, uh maybe we
Speaker 1: can maybe one place to good to start off with us?
Speaker 2: What do they?
Speaker 1: How do they? How does Marsianism typically view uh, Jesus.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it sounds like they're you kind of
Speaker 1: it almost seems like maybe marciems a semi open, but
Speaker 1: it sounds like there's, you know, pretty pretty varying definitions
Speaker 1: of what a Martian a Martianist is. It seems like perhaps,
Speaker 1: uh so, I guess I'm kind of curious what you
Speaker 1: How do you guys typically perceive the person of Christ.
Speaker 3: That that is one thing we are certainly more concrete.
Speaker 3: Is It's like we know what we know, and what
Speaker 3: we know is Jesus, fores ure was the son of God.
Speaker 3: There's no confusion there. He goes around telling people I
Speaker 3: am of my father. This is why I am able
Speaker 3: to do these great things is because I have the
Speaker 3: power of my Father with me. So there's there's no
Speaker 3: question there.
Speaker 1: And that's not like some anime lesson the powers within
Speaker 1: all of us and you're all kind of sons of God.
Speaker 1: It's not something like I know some people reconceptualize it
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, he's not Goku. He doesn't go off
Speaker 3: the power of friendship. If anything, he you know, he
Speaker 3: makes a lot more enemies than he does friends in
Speaker 3: his lifetime. He is still alive, but you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, his human lifetime. But more or less, he
Speaker 3: is the son of the Father. There is still a
Speaker 3: holy spirit, there is still a trinity. We believe in
Speaker 3: a traditional trinity. But yeah, we don't think that like
Speaker 3: he was just some sort of aperation that people were
Speaker 3: too confused to think. No, he came down in flesh
Speaker 3: because he is the son of God. He can do
Speaker 3: such things. He came and performed miracles. We know that
Speaker 3: this happened, and we actually have like legal like I
Speaker 3: guess documents, he would say, and uh, interesting enough, the
Speaker 3: when you look at why Jesus was tried in the
Speaker 3: Roman documents, he was crucified for blasphemy and the Hebrew
Speaker 3: texts he was crucified for sorcery, and both of those
Speaker 3: things are punishable by crucifixion. So I think that's kind
Speaker 3: of it's not like, you know, someone had a camera
Speaker 3: phone back then, but it's about as good as evidence
Speaker 3: that we have that Jesus did in fact perform miracles
Speaker 3: enough to where the Hebrew people were like, no, he's
Speaker 3: performed in magic. He's got to go because of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess, you know, let's hone in on what
Speaker 1: this belief system is. What are probably some of the
Speaker 1: key the key beliefs belief systems within this because I
Speaker 1: kind of was driving out there. I mean, heck, even
Speaker 1: as we were saying with Jesus is kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean a lot of times these different
Speaker 1: belief systems, it gets a little little airy fairy kind
Speaker 1: of oh, you know, we're all gods, you we all
Speaker 1: can you know, through the power of friendship or whatever,
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, find some way to make this weird universalistic
Speaker 1: type concept. Just I guess kind of one of the
Speaker 1: main beats what are the important things? I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I know, I grew up Baptists, Like if I was
Speaker 1: going to give the main beats Jesus came died for
Speaker 1: our sins, you know, you you say, hey, uh, forgive
Speaker 1: me for all that stuff, and yuh. You know, there's
Speaker 1: also this weird Baptism Baptist thing where you're you're supposed
Speaker 1: to like regularly check in and be like, yoh it
Speaker 1: did some fucked up stuff like could you cover me
Speaker 1: for that one? And you're like, okay, cool, and then
Speaker 1: like but even with Baptists, you're like always covered theoretically,
Speaker 1: like technically, even though you would consider myself an atheist. Now,
Speaker 1: from my understanding of BAP Southern Baptists, I think technically,
Speaker 1: I mean, they'd find a weird way to be like,
Speaker 1: well you technically that must mean you never actually believed
Speaker 1: to begin with, you know, but like I can tell
Speaker 1: you right now, I did at that time when I
Speaker 1: used to do. But whatever.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But point B that's their beliefs, and they believe if
Speaker 1: you really believed it, you're covered by the blood of
Speaker 1: Christ forever. More so, theoretically, technically by the Baptist belief system,
Speaker 1: I'm so so go to heaven. Although if I told
Speaker 1: any of them that, they would say, well, you're an atheist,
Speaker 1: so clearly you never really truly believed. It's a little convoluted,
Speaker 1: but you get what I'm getting at. What are the
Speaker 1: what's the elevator pitch of the belief system for for
Speaker 1: Marx marx Marxism, Marsianism, the.
Speaker 3: Well, the core belief sism of Marxism is that you
Speaker 3: just don't eat and communism marks sometimes jokes aside your
Speaker 3: original question about the core belief system of Marsianism, you
Speaker 3: kind of already laid it out there. You you believe
Speaker 3: in Christ, and therefore you are saved. There's no real
Speaker 3: extra steps you there's you know, you should get baptized.
Speaker 3: But if you have a two month old and your
Speaker 3: two month old dies and wasn't baptized, your baby's not
Speaker 3: going to hell. We're not, you know, we're saying people,
Speaker 3: at least most of us. I can't you know, speak
Speaker 3: for everybody, but you know we're not gonna just you know,
Speaker 3: say that people are damned who are clearly and there's.
Speaker 1: Some sort of vague control or covered by the blood
Speaker 1: of Christ type of thing, you know, like that that one.
Speaker 1: I know, that's what they say in most denominations when
Speaker 1: it comes to questions of like unborn or young children
Speaker 1: or mentally infirmed. It's covered by the blood of Christ.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. We don't have to get
Speaker 1: too much in the weeds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we don't have to get that far. But
Speaker 3: you did kind of already cover you believe in Christ,
Speaker 3: and then you're saved it. I think the biggest difference,
Speaker 3: if I think, to answer the question you didn't ask,
Speaker 3: is the biggest difference between Marcianism and the other denominations
Speaker 3: of Christianity is what we don't believe. We don't believe
Speaker 3: that you have to come to church every Sunday. You
Speaker 3: just have to be faithful. Ideally, you want to be
Speaker 3: as christ Like as possible. You want to follow his example,
Speaker 3: be decent people. That's really all you need to do.
Speaker 3: There there There is a lot more to it than that.
Speaker 3: I can't just sit here and read the Evangelicon to
Speaker 3: you in an under a half hour. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: not that great, you know, but you know, more or less,
Speaker 3: there there are we have our own holidays, holy days,
Speaker 3: we do have our own sort of way of going
Speaker 3: about things. But essentially, believe in Jesus, be as Jesus
Speaker 3: like as you possibly can fail. Sometimes, Oh well, you
Speaker 3: don't have to go tell a funny man in a
Speaker 3: hat and he says, I forgive you, even though it's
Speaker 3: only God who forgets you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: A little dig it Catholicism there, which it's weird you
Speaker 3: said Baptist. I didn't know Baptists did confessions. I'll forever
Speaker 3: be intrigued by the very many different are there of
Speaker 3: so many different?
Speaker 1: Were you implying that I said that? Or are you
Speaker 1: telling me that you knew of other Baptists that did that?
Speaker 1: Because I was saying I was meaning like, no, okay, now,
Speaker 1: I was meaning like you are, like my understanding of
Speaker 1: like the Baptist beliefism is, and you do your own
Speaker 1: like relationship with God, you're supposed to also regularly be
Speaker 1: asking for forgiveness for the things that you're doing. So
Speaker 1: it's a little bit convoluted. Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was just trying to the salvation aspect. The
Speaker 1: main beats like you're supposed to get you pray for
Speaker 1: forgiveness from the you know, you recognize from your savior
Speaker 1: or whatever, YadA YadA YadA, and then you're covered and
Speaker 1: you're you're good that and you are supposed to. Well,
Speaker 1: technically it doesn't actually, from my understanding, it's not like
Speaker 1: it's gonna make it so you're therefore can't go to
Speaker 1: heaven or go to some sort of weird purgatory place
Speaker 1: or something, but you are still supposed to. I guess
Speaker 1: it's encouraged. I guess is the way to look at
Speaker 1: the regularly ask for forgiveness.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think that it's it's a
Speaker 3: regularly thing. This is we're gonna get into my personalion.
Speaker 3: But I think that if you make a mistake, it's
Speaker 3: probably far better to just on the spot be like,
Speaker 3: ooh man, that was me not being my best person.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Jesus. Or even sometimes me, I do it preemptively.
Speaker 3: I'll just be like, you know, Jesus, I'm sorry. This
Speaker 3: probably isn't the best person I could be, but the
Speaker 3: situation calls for it, and my emotions are a little
Speaker 3: too high that that's a common one for me. I
Speaker 3: get a little bit, you know, a little too ramped up,
Speaker 3: and I just I just let it fly. And then
Speaker 3: and then I later think like, okay, next time, maybe
Speaker 3: I just walk away. I wish I could walk away
Speaker 3: more frequently, but that's too personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so were some other key takeaways you feel like
Speaker 1: people should get from Marcianism. Some other things that you
Speaker 1: are interesting that you would know that I wouldn't really
Speaker 1: know to pick at.
Speaker 3: Well, our Christmas is November twenty fourth. We already covered
Speaker 3: the non Abrahamic thing some other Let me actually pull
Speaker 3: up a list of certain misconceptions real quick. Of course,
Speaker 3: my phone is deciding to pardon me. Sorry for the
Speaker 3: dead space. You're fine, but there is a lot of misconceptions,
Speaker 3: like a lot of people. Actually I kind of sort
Speaker 3: of danced pretty close to this already. But another big
Speaker 3: thing is they'll be like, oh, Marcion, no the heretic, right,
Speaker 3: you follow the religion of that heretic, And like, okay,
Speaker 3: but who are you to call him a heretic? Though,
Speaker 3: like what evidence do you have? What cin did he commit?
Speaker 3: You know, supposedly they'll they'll say that he edited the
Speaker 3: Bible in a certain way, and for one, you don't
Speaker 3: know that you don't really have any evidence that you're
Speaker 3: going by what some person said nearly two thousand years ago,
Speaker 3: like saying that, how do you know that the person
Speaker 3: who you are reading from isn't lying? How do you
Speaker 3: know that he is the one that committed said I?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And even so, like again, God is the one that
Speaker 3: is supposed to judge us. So if you think that
Speaker 3: he's a heretic, are you not? Why is my computer?
Speaker 3: You can still hear me? Right? Yeah? Okay, hold on,
Speaker 3: it's gotta just remind me later. Great time to ask
Speaker 3: me if I wanted to update. But as I was saying,
Speaker 3: a lot of people just think that he's heretical, Like
Speaker 3: they said, they like to make up that he was
Speaker 3: part of some sort of abstinence sex cull. They make
Speaker 3: up all sorts of very very silly things about him,
Speaker 3: but a couple interesting things. I kind of lost what
Speaker 3: the original question is. But something interesting is one thing
Speaker 3: that Marcy Knight's actually had in common with the first
Speaker 3: couple century Christians, is that a like the Holy Bible
Speaker 3: you read now is a peterine or petering. I don't
Speaker 3: know how you Petering sounds like something I don't really
Speaker 3: want to. I don't want to dirty this conversation anymore
Speaker 3: than I may have already had. But it's what the
Speaker 3: Holy Bible currently is, and it's the judaized version of
Speaker 3: the the Holy Bible of the Faith. Whereas Pauline or Pauline,
Speaker 3: how have you actually pronounced? That is actually what most
Speaker 3: early Christians were. They believed in a at least less
Speaker 3: judaized version of Christianity. It was it was far more
Speaker 3: common for them to believe in that sort of way
Speaker 3: of thinking. Yeah, the original, the original Bible, which is
Speaker 3: we have a we have a reconstruction of it, but
Speaker 3: the Testamentum didn't follow these petering It just sounds so silly. Ah,
Speaker 3: the original like Christian goals of of the Council of
Speaker 3: the name nice see yeah, yeah, nice seeing council.
Speaker 1: Nice scene or nice Sean. I don't know, No, I'm
Speaker 1: questioning myself.
Speaker 3: For all I know. It could be the Council of
Speaker 3: the neoncat. I don't know. I think I already covered
Speaker 3: everything in my list.
Speaker 1: Actually, well, one thing I was thinking about that we
Speaker 1: didn't really cover. Maybe we could Doug dig into a
Speaker 1: little bit more, what kind of uh we we we
Speaker 1: kind of tease that a little bit. You know, he's
Speaker 1: labeled the hairtic off the jump, so kind of what
Speaker 1: I guess, kind of the role that Martianism is hold
Speaker 1: held in antiquity. I guess from the start to now.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't know. I mean that probably
Speaker 1: could easily be like a three hour podcast, but kind of, uh,
Speaker 1: the kind of the beats, I guess the main beats
Speaker 1: are that you know of, or maybe anything of interest.
Speaker 1: I'd assume it probably resided in an interesting I don't know,
Speaker 1: an interesting place in the in the in the history
Speaker 1: of religion, because it is, like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: guess it kind of alluded to in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the show, how these things kind of tie in together.
Speaker 1: And this may not be as like a uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, separated from the sort of stuff I typically cover,
Speaker 1: as might think like hell even the intro like like
Speaker 1: as I alluded to, like a death cult, like that's
Speaker 1: what those you know, some of the bad stuff is there.
Speaker 1: But even then the symbolism, and which is something I
Speaker 1: usually think of when I think of gnoscissism, you do
Speaker 1: see once you start realizing gnoscissism, the concepts of inversion
Speaker 1: and stuff. We see this played out in conspiracies and
Speaker 1: the elite all the time. And sometimes it'll be Christian symbols.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it will be gnostic symbols. Sometimes it will be
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of in let's be real in
Speaker 1: a certain sense, narcissism or even Marxianism in some sense,
Speaker 1: this is a little bit of an inversion of the
Speaker 1: typical Judaeo Christian understanding and vice versa. So these are
Speaker 1: these sort of symbols we see. So I think kind
Speaker 1: of looking at it from a historical perspective and maybe
Speaker 1: even how it fits in to that paradigm there, because
Speaker 1: especially if you're someone who thinks Marsianism is a correct
Speaker 1: way and maybe that something like something like a naism
Speaker 1: could be like maybe a little bit of a bastardization
Speaker 1: of your of some sort of semblance of your beliefs,
Speaker 1: that maybe you could start seeing for the symbolism some
Speaker 1: of the weirdness there. So I guess it's a little
Speaker 1: an open ended, kind of an ambiguous, vague question there.
Speaker 1: But I guess kind of the historical you know, you know, significance,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, if you want to give some
Speaker 1: to a rundown, And I guess the secondary thing I
Speaker 1: was driving it there is like, uh, do you notice symbolism?
Speaker 1: Is there something that you pick up, you know, from
Speaker 1: your understanding of Martianism that maybe those who only only
Speaker 1: really know of things like narcissism or you know, or
Speaker 1: maybe you know, because even then naism is another layer
Speaker 1: once you learn about narcissism, because you know, we always
Speaker 1: people might just think of like, oh, Judaism and Christians
Speaker 1: and you kind of think of the big three, and
Speaker 1: then now you have to think naism. How do you
Speaker 1: incorporate that? It is all kind of confusing, And now
Speaker 1: you find about Martianism, which is kind of its own
Speaker 1: distinct thing from nascism as well. And if I was
Speaker 1: a believer of that, I very much would think that
Speaker 1: naism was a bastardization of my beliefs. But anyways, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of dragging on there. I think you kind
Speaker 1: of get what I'm getting at.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think there was like two or three
Speaker 3: questions in there, So I think the first one was
Speaker 3: almost like like you were asking about like a timeline.
Speaker 1: Almost, yes, somewhat, yeah, some timeline maybe the interesting parts
Speaker 1: because I'm sure and although I think these things are
Speaker 1: kind of questions tied into each other, because I think
Speaker 1: knowing the historical significance may start to give you some
Speaker 1: context for symbolic significance, you know, and how it's used
Speaker 1: today for sure.
Speaker 3: So just to kind of really quickly touch on the
Speaker 3: history for you, because as soon as Jesus died, for
Speaker 3: the like next fifteen years, there was a sort of
Speaker 3: theological war fought between the Apostle Paul and against the
Speaker 3: Judaizers that were represented by the Apostle Peter and James.
Speaker 3: And they were just like right away immediately trying to
Speaker 3: staple the Hebrew Bible to Christianity, and it kinda around
Speaker 3: forty eight se it came to a head where the
Speaker 3: first Christians, including Peter, Paul, and James, agreed that the
Speaker 3: Hebrew Bible laws were antithetical to the teachings of Christ
Speaker 3: and that that I can I can go off of
Speaker 3: for a while. I have examples from the Old Testament
Speaker 3: and the Testamentum that are great proof that the Old
Speaker 3: Testament God is absolutely not the God that Jesus was
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, if you want to provide one
Speaker 1: or two examples, go go right ahead, and I'd be eaten.
Speaker 3: So yeah, sure, just two seconds, Well there it is.
Speaker 3: So in Joshua ten twelve to fourteen, then spoke Joshua
Speaker 3: to the Lord, and the day when the Lord delivered
Speaker 3: up the Emirates before the children of his and he said,
Speaker 3: in the sight of Israel, sun stand thou still upon Gibeon,
Speaker 3: and thou moon in the valley of Ajelan. And the
Speaker 3: sun stood still, and the moon stayed until the people
Speaker 3: had avenged themselves upon their enemies. It is not written
Speaker 3: in the Book of Joshir. I'm not great with Hebrew names.
Speaker 3: So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven
Speaker 3: and hasted not to go down about the whole day.
Speaker 3: And there was no day like that before it or
Speaker 3: after it that the Lord hearkened under the voice of Man.
Speaker 3: For the Lord fought for Israel and Ladosians for four
Speaker 3: twenty six, which you would know Ladosians as Ephesians. It says,
Speaker 3: be ye angry and sin not, let not the sun
Speaker 3: go down upon your wrath. So that's just one example
Speaker 3: of how the old God was about, like, let this
Speaker 3: anger drive your actions, whereas you should instead, you know,
Speaker 3: be the be angry and not be you know, a
Speaker 3: degenerate about it. Maybe a better and less long winded
Speaker 3: example would possibly be in the Book of Psalms in
Speaker 3: the Holy Bible. He says he cast upon them the
Speaker 3: fierceness of his anger, wrath and indignation and trouble by
Speaker 3: sending evil angels among them. However, contrast and Galatians. But
Speaker 3: the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Speaker 3: Just more examples of how God clearly is a a
Speaker 3: good God, or at least the God spoken of Christ
Speaker 3: and who we believe is the true God, is a
Speaker 3: patient God. And how often what other examples I can
Speaker 3: just think about the top of my head is somewhere
Speaker 3: in somewhere in the Old Testament he says, for I
Speaker 3: am a jealous God. I think that's in like it's
Speaker 3: like super early, it's in Deuterotomy, or maybe even Genesis,
Speaker 3: and just so on and so forth. There's Exodus four,
Speaker 3: eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand,
Speaker 3: foot for a foot.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a couple chapters after the rules
Speaker 1: for slave owning. I think, if I recalled correctly, I
Speaker 1: think that's what nineteen I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if if anything, yeahweh was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: no shellfish but slavery. That's tight though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But in in the Evangelicon, Jesus directly contrasts, and Jesus
Speaker 3: often contrasts the especially Exodus and onto them smiteth the
Speaker 3: on one cheek, offer also the other. Which actually that
Speaker 3: also brings up a really good point that a lot
Speaker 3: of Christians in general are are targeted in such a
Speaker 3: way as like, oh, well, you're not doing the turning
Speaker 3: the other cheek thing. While you should be a pacifist,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that you should lack the spying either.
Speaker 3: You're you're not supposed to just you know, bend over
Speaker 3: and let people take all your stuff. Jesus, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: misquote this likely, but a man, a well armed man
Speaker 3: in a castle would will keep peace or something to
Speaker 3: that effect. Just off the top of my head. He's
Speaker 3: more or less saying, take the defensive route, be not offensive,
Speaker 3: don't go out and you know, push the Palestinians out
Speaker 3: to Egypt or whatever they're trying to do it. Don't antagonize, Yeah,
Speaker 3: don't antagonize. Don't don't de escalate that throws the first punch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: de escalate is even better, honestly, because if you can
Speaker 3: stop a fight without actually throwing any of your own punches,
Speaker 3: that's absolutely the best way I've I've done this before
Speaker 3: where so I finished a fight someone hit me in
Speaker 3: the face and I just kind of like, like I
Speaker 3: was genuinely confused. It was like is that like without
Speaker 3: saying anything, it was like, is this all this guy has?
Speaker 3: And then he threw a few more and I was like, bro,
Speaker 3: you I should paraphrase because people from the church will
Speaker 3: see this, but I was like, you kind of hit
Speaker 3: like a lady man. And he threw a few more
Speaker 3: at me and I was just like, I just I
Speaker 3: just left my hands by my side and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll just I could do this all day, my guy.
Speaker 3: And that ended the fight and probably the best way.
Speaker 3: And I've I've been unfortunately in more than one fight,
Speaker 3: and that was probably the most proud of myself I've
Speaker 3: ever felt. It felt the best on the inside that
Speaker 3: I had done the right thing by not harming a person,
Speaker 3: even though this person had thrown a dozen swings at
Speaker 3: me and it's not like he didn't do any damage.
Speaker 3: I had a bloody lip and a little bit, but
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I was like, I
Speaker 3: could probably take this for an hour. I should just
Speaker 3: let him make a fool of himself and truly, that
Speaker 3: ended up being the best result because I didn't get
Speaker 3: in any sort of trouble. I don't think he necessarily
Speaker 3: did either, but I'm sure he went away feeling a
Speaker 3: little bit less like a man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as well he should, I mean, regardless of being
Speaker 1: a strong punch or not. I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 1: one of those things that people say things like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's fighting words or this or that, and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: are there really unless you're like giving like very very
Speaker 1: direct threats that I'm worried you might act upon there
Speaker 1: kind of aren't That.
Speaker 3: Really is a very christ Like question to ask, because
Speaker 3: is there really anything someone can say that should stir
Speaker 3: a physical reaction like that? And the older I get,
Speaker 3: the more I'm I'm quite convinced, Like if if someone
Speaker 3: you know started saying, you know, know, your mom this
Speaker 3: something outside of like a your yo mama joke, like
Speaker 3: a non serious thing, like it's not that you should
Speaker 3: just ignore it. Maybe ignoring it might be a good
Speaker 3: thing to do, but you you, you stand your ground.
Speaker 3: I guess this is always going to depend on the situation.
Speaker 3: But but don't be so quick to anger, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, When it's only words, you know, meet
Speaker 3: them with words, if if, if there's a reaction necessary exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, back to Martianism, we kind of touch
Speaker 1: a little bit of the historical significance and I kind
Speaker 1: of want to know a little bit maybe kind of
Speaker 1: maybe symbolic and then uh maybe how that ties into
Speaker 1: kind of larger spooky concepts. But you feel like there's
Speaker 1: anything more in the historical side of things we should
Speaker 1: hone in on about, uh to what what what realm?
Speaker 1: The Marsians resigned in, you know, historically speaking, I.
Speaker 3: Mean historically, Martianism kind of I don't want to say died,
Speaker 3: but it went underground and likely didn't exist for a
Speaker 3: thousand years. I think like the second or third Pope
Speaker 3: eventually was like, you know what, let's forgive this Marcian guy.
Speaker 3: You know, about a couple hundred years after he died,
Speaker 3: but you know, we'll forgive him. We'll stop calling him
Speaker 3: a heretic. Not that that stopped anybody in the future,
Speaker 3: but more or less, like the Catholic Church kind of
Speaker 3: took things over from there. But I think it was
Speaker 3: with Debun he was one of the first or first
Speaker 3: that I know of, to actually pick this up and
Speaker 3: I think they found, like the recreation that we have
Speaker 3: now is actually we've found a bunch of people who
Speaker 3: were so mad at Marcion. And to that I only
Speaker 3: have to say, you know, in our book it's Galatians
Speaker 3: four fifteen. In the Holy Bible, it's four sixteen. You know,
Speaker 3: so I have told you the truth, and am I
Speaker 3: now your enemy? Well, he he must have told a
Speaker 3: whole lot of the truth because he made a whole
Speaker 3: lot of enemies and they he just lived rent free
Speaker 3: in their head for probably one hundred years after he died,
Speaker 3: you know. So they people were quite mad, you know, Jews,
Speaker 3: Jews in fact, very very mad, and they just wrote
Speaker 3: and wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote,
Speaker 3: and that's how we ended up compiling what we have today.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a living document because we're always going
Speaker 3: to you know, there's there's at least like if you
Speaker 3: if you dig, you can find maybe a dozen different
Speaker 3: reconstructions of it. Now, I recommend the Testamentum that I have,
Speaker 3: and I can tell you more about where to find
Speaker 3: it at the end of the show. But that's more
Speaker 3: of like because there's like the minimalist reconstruction that's like
Speaker 3: we know at least he said this much, but then
Speaker 3: that's not a complete story. And then there's people who
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, overshoot it quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I think ours is kind of in that middle ground
Speaker 3: where it's like, this is what makes sense. This is
Speaker 3: this goes with the theology, and that's what we have
Speaker 3: with the testamentum. Plus we have the like I said,
Speaker 3: the Psalm Book and so much more works besides that
Speaker 3: as well. But I think it wasn't until like seventeen
Speaker 3: hundreds that people started being curious about Marcian's Gospel as
Speaker 3: they would call it. And now with you know, the
Speaker 3: war in Gaza, everyone's like, this non judaized Christianity is
Speaker 3: is something else. It hits the palette quite in a
Speaker 3: freshing way. I just I don't know why I remember
Speaker 3: the the cream taste or meme. Okay, let us sit
Speaker 3: on the palette a little bit.
Speaker 1: By the way, I looked up it's the first Council
Speaker 1: of Nicea, and I see a e a one of
Speaker 1: those weird words, so that for we're referring to that earlier.
Speaker 1: I had to look it up because it was bugging me.
Speaker 1: Uh So it was not neon kiddie, But we were close.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I think we were close though. Uh Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess you think you have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a heart out here. Uh but so I want to
Speaker 1: get you out of here. Uh but I guess this
Speaker 1: is kind of We're kind of right at the last
Speaker 1: question I have and kind of bringing this back full
Speaker 1: circle in the sort of stuff that I kind of
Speaker 1: like to cover, and I kind of you always see
Speaker 1: these themes of inversion, you know, inversionism when it comes
Speaker 1: like Satanism and stuff like that, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of getting into that. You we you see that, or
Speaker 1: or dialectics and how things play off each other, like
Speaker 1: for example, the Judeo Christian or the Judaic religion or
Speaker 1: whatever the big three you know, Islam, you know, Judaism
Speaker 1: and Christianity, and yeah, and how those things play off
Speaker 1: each other. And then and then later you you know,
Speaker 1: we discover things like narcissism that then you go, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this provides a new spin on it. And then now
Speaker 1: you know, in a certain sense you have another inversion
Speaker 1: with of that with Marsianism in a certain sense obviously
Speaker 1: keeping certain themes from things like narcissism, but obviously not
Speaker 1: buying into some of the other stuff. So I guess
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious because, as I've said, you
Speaker 1: start seeing these symbols play out these dialectics. Uh, and
Speaker 1: so I'm just kind of curious when it comes to symbolism,
Speaker 1: is this something that you see? Do you have a
Speaker 1: unique perspective, you know, coming from your where you're at,
Speaker 1: you know, because it is always like trying to read
Speaker 1: the symbolism. You say, symbolism, will it be their downfall?
Speaker 1: And so you're like, you know, obviously you think Marsianism
Speaker 1: is the thing. So you may have a different interpretation
Speaker 1: of all this different symbolism we see. And it's not
Speaker 1: it's not often, it's not uncommon we see agnostic themes
Speaker 1: and stuff. So but you might interpret that is Marxianism
Speaker 1: or an inversion of Marsianism, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: I would say Marcianism is is separate from it Marcianism.
Speaker 3: We don't really have a whole lot of symbols. We
Speaker 3: have this the Cairo as you would say, or Chiro.
Speaker 3: People pronounce it all sorts of different ways. I tried
Speaker 3: to latten it up a little bit, but the the
Speaker 3: that's the in Latin, the two the first two letters
Speaker 3: in Christ, right, the CH and the R sounds, And
Speaker 3: that is the only real symbol in Martianism. And even
Speaker 3: that's kind of like adapted. It's kind of like a
Speaker 3: Roman thing. It is on and it is dated to
Speaker 3: be on there from nearly two thousand years ago. It
Speaker 3: is on a Marsiannite church that I think still stands
Speaker 3: unless Israel's bombed it since I last checked. But for
Speaker 3: the most part, we don't really do a lot of symbology.
Speaker 3: We don't really get into that. On the other hand,
Speaker 3: me personally, I'm very intrigued by this symbology. I know,
Speaker 3: I even got into a little bit of numbrology. I
Speaker 3: personally read these gnostic texts, but I kind of read
Speaker 3: it in the sense of, like, Okay, what is it
Speaker 3: say in Satan's Bible? You know, why why is it
Speaker 3: that the Jewish people are sacrificing or read Heifer? But
Speaker 3: that doesn't have anything really to do with Marsians. It's
Speaker 3: it comes off as idolatry, right, yea, like all these
Speaker 3: weird symbols, you don't really like symbols are a material thing.
Speaker 3: God is a spiritual thing. You don't like anytime you
Speaker 3: go and use a symbol like that, to me, it
Speaker 3: feels like you're trying to control the spirit with a
Speaker 3: material thing, and that just doesn't really seem like a
Speaker 3: spiritual experience to me. It seems like witch graphics.
Speaker 1: Actually, all right, Tiller, I know we said we want
Speaker 1: to get you out of here around this time, so
Speaker 1: we'll do just that. I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: anything you want to promote, if there's anything you want
Speaker 1: to let people know on your way out, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe any final thoughts the Marsianism, the floor
Speaker 1: is yours. If anything promote or just findal words or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, the only thing I really want to promote is
Speaker 3: the Marcianite Church of Christ dot org. If you want
Speaker 3: to find me personally, you can go there, and we
Speaker 3: have our own discord in our own telegram channel. You
Speaker 3: can find me under the alias Tiller and whatever m
Speaker 3: I use a name for those particular things are. And
Speaker 3: that's essentially it as far as final thoughts, just as
Speaker 3: cheesy as it sounds, just try to think more of
Speaker 3: what Jesus would actually do. And actually, one final point,
Speaker 3: what I should clarify, what Jesus would actually do, not
Speaker 3: what was then later interpolated into the text and added
Speaker 3: to make him seem more Jewish. Jesus was not a Jew,
Speaker 3: even if you think for some reason he was born
Speaker 3: of a virgin. That's a virgin, and God put supposedly
Speaker 3: the spirit into that virgin. So how is he then
Speaker 3: a Jew? That said, Marcy Unite Church of Christ dot com.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. It's been a pleasure. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it's been a good laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: Hopefully I've churched it up enough. I just actually realized
Speaker 3: about like ten minutes ago that I am wearing a
Speaker 3: death metal trick to talk about Jesus. But I feel
Speaker 3: like that just you know, it's what it.
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