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<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome back to Babylon. We are the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>that is watching and reacting and breaking down episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>Babylon five. We just watched season two, episode nineteen. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe divided loyalties.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm deeply conflicted. This was a monkey's paw kind of thing. Man. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to say Lida again. Oh well, how

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<v Speaker 2>would you feel about it? Us psychically dying?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we paid a price. We didn't know we had

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<v Speaker 3>to pay exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>The Babylon Podcast was our last best hope for a

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<v Speaker 4>deep dive, a self contained discussion for hosts, strong located

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<v Speaker 4>in the neutral territory of the Zokolow, a place of

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<v Speaker 4>commentary and analysis for two veterans and two newcomers, a

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<v Speaker 4>shining beacon of fandom, all alone in the streaming void.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the dawn of the streaming age, the year

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<v Speaker 4>the great theories came upon us. All this is the

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<v Speaker 4>story of Babylon. The year is twenty twenty six. The

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<v Speaker 4>place wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Jenny.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge fan of the show and I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>it through multiple times.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm Jen I'm a showrunner and screenwriter, and I watched

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<v Speaker 6>the show back in the day, and I am pretty

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<v Speaker 6>sure this was the episode I started with. Wow, really

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<v Speaker 6>finally cut up, I went, I caught reruns and I

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<v Speaker 6>caught some licens past, But like I'm this is I'm

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<v Speaker 6>pretty sure this was my entry into the show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the hell of a start site. Yep, I'm gus.

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<v Speaker 2>I am an actor. I like Leda Alexander a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked Alia Winters a lot. I'm very confused, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is my first time watching the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Ali, I'm the first time watch of the show and

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<v Speaker 3>it is unnoticed.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, can you tell me why the show is on notice?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it not obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>For the podcast listeners because of the character assassination of

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<v Speaker 1>my girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Character character the character.

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<v Speaker 7>It will not stand JMS, this shall not stand. You

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<v Speaker 7>shall be hearing from my lawyers.

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<v Speaker 6>This was not like, this was not the character assassination

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<v Speaker 6>and the like writers really like fucked up and didn't

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<v Speaker 6>tell the character. This was literally like, I'm killing her

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<v Speaker 6>character but keeping her on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a guy and the guy and they got to

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<v Speaker 2>kill the guy. They're not going to kill the guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're going to kind of kill the guy.

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<v Speaker 7>I am I am bereading kill the guy. I am befuddled.

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<v Speaker 4>M M.

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<v Speaker 3>Why was isn't it Warren keV.

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<v Speaker 2>Warren Keffer has great things in store for him, Ali,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he does.

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<v Speaker 8>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Season one, Signs and Poor Tense, Season two, The Coming

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<v Speaker 2>of Shadows, Season three, Keffer's uh Ship, Warren Keffer's day

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<v Speaker 2>off the Kening.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, he goes, and he goes electric.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tokyo Keff.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen. It was a great reveal. It's a great reveal,

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<v Speaker 3>crazy reveal, not want to believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 6>You guys were so cute dancing away from it the

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<v Speaker 6>whole time. You're like, but it can't be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she was exposed to psychor but I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>it to be. I didn't want I would rather it

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<v Speaker 2>not be. I was like, well it's not probably. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, could we get no? But what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Once it wasn't the main three, I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to be Talia now because it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be evolved. It's kind of got it because all

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<v Speaker 2>I had so much screen time in this episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Flabbergasted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she had lots of screen time in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I don't normally steer things as hard as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to steer them. But I'm just I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>utterly they were having a silky pajama sleep over.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, they were Jenny steer.

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<v Speaker 2>Very close to each other's faces in a few different

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<v Speaker 2>points in that thing there, and I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>watching it. I was like, I'm, yeah, I'm cool with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally fine with this happening. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to because it's the it's the nineties, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be the one who advocates.

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<v Speaker 3>For it, but I will be writing the fan fic.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say, what do you think actually,

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<v Speaker 1>like canonically, because I'm I'm I'm okay, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think canonically happened?

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<v Speaker 6>There?

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<v Speaker 3>Girls girl having a sleepover?

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<v Speaker 5>No, they were canonically doing it?

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<v Speaker 6>What was Yeah? Yes, reached out in the bed and

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<v Speaker 6>tell and one she was like she reached out stretched

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<v Speaker 6>out for Evanava and there was empty bed.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe I have to see it so far?

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<v Speaker 5>How did you not? We're both shocked.

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<v Speaker 6>We're both like, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to be the pervy man on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>who went I met the two girls who are having

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep over fucking That's why I didn't because.

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<v Speaker 6>They were fucking. That's probably something about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I said something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We had been just look.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Ali's face go oh, and then I saw

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<v Speaker 1>you tamp down your feelings.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a point in the up in your where

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<v Speaker 5>you're because.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't believe in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the same that's the same thing is because I

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<v Speaker 7>was like, well, they can't let me be one.

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<v Speaker 2>When they first had their moment together, They're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we could spend more time together. I kind of went,

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<v Speaker 2>are we too, And then I went no, because I

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<v Speaker 2>would have heard about.

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<v Speaker 6>That hang Outkalow. They were like, they were like, you're

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<v Speaker 6>kinda You're kind of never you know, because I thought

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<v Speaker 6>that shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Up at her door with a bottle of wine and

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<v Speaker 1>two glasses and the camera goes soft focus and bulls away.

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<v Speaker 2>Look. I thought that, but I was never going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it up because if I was wrong, the optics

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<v Speaker 2>are apocalyptically bad. There's a podcast with three women and Gus.

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<v Speaker 2>Gus thinks they're lesbians.

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<v Speaker 5>Bisexual had canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've gone to.

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<v Speaker 7>It always all right, Okay, my god, this is.

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<v Speaker 6>Like Gus is like, just like he's Homer since sitting

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<v Speaker 6>it out of here, because he's like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 6>I will win.

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<v Speaker 2>There's I've committed to that.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm pretty sure the only person on this podcast now

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<v Speaker 7>who has not been canceled me because.

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<v Speaker 2>You canceled me during the podcast once.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't cancelable and we told her to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, that's why I was like, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they're implying heavily that there's a romantic involvement here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just not going to say it.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I thought so. I said something about it.

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<v Speaker 7>I was they're getting very close to each other's faces.

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<v Speaker 7>You did, but I was like, nineties, they can't let

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<v Speaker 7>me be happy you are?

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<v Speaker 6>That is that is one hundred percent fair. That's one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred percent fair and and and truly like you didn't

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<v Speaker 6>see it because it was the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineties. Yeah, when she reached out for her I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>are they sleeping in the simp?

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<v Speaker 6>I was waiting for you to scream in that moment,

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<v Speaker 6>waiting you can't go back and watch it because.

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<v Speaker 3>In the same bat as girlfriends all the time, and.

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<v Speaker 6>She one reached out to the silk sat in sheets

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<v Speaker 6>and be like, is someone.

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<v Speaker 2>That we're wearing silk pajamas? I was a little bit like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why because in the episode I said, oh, silk pajamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh you did? We were watching? I was like, am

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<v Speaker 2>I picking up on something? And neither of you gave

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<v Speaker 2>me a fucking inch. It was a bad Eyelashuly, yeah, gos,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pajamas. That's what people do when they have sleeperms

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<v Speaker 2>that wear pajamas.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, Okay, I guess I didn't say they

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<v Speaker 6>were gonna do each other's nails, and they didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't say that at all. I kept laughing because

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, why aren't they they're girls in pajamas

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<v Speaker 1>in a bed well boom.

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<v Speaker 6>I love so much about this, though, I have to

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<v Speaker 6>jump in because Jenny and I are, like, with that question,

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<v Speaker 6>a tiny bit older than the two of you. So

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<v Speaker 6>we were in the nineties and we so for Jenny

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<v Speaker 6>and I experiencing this firsthand, like okay, and also, as

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<v Speaker 6>I just said, full disclosure, I'm pretty sure this was

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<v Speaker 6>the first episode I saw. So I came into this

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<v Speaker 6>show thinking that Evanna Va and Talia had had a

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<v Speaker 6>relationship prior to this, and when I when when we

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<v Speaker 6>started watching this again, I kept being like, what are

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<v Speaker 6>they going to wait? And then finally Jenny and I

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<v Speaker 6>talked about it and She's like, no, no, they never showed

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<v Speaker 6>anything on screencaus as the nineties, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>I just thought I'd missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it's but like they show, they show like

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<v Speaker 1>they have meals together.

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<v Speaker 5>They definitely flirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, for sure when they got really close in

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<v Speaker 2>going to kiss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but like in previous episodes, there's definitely flirting.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a moment where where Wayoun says to her

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<v Speaker 1>Tylie Winters was very loud in your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that too, and I remember going really.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, which is why all the Garibali stuff confused me

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<v Speaker 6>because I was like, huh. But but I also want

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<v Speaker 6>to say, so Jenny and I watched this in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 6>where I mean, truthfully, like there was a very progressive

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<v Speaker 6>movement at the time, and I think probably both you

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<v Speaker 6>and I were pretty conscious of progressive media and that

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't like there still wasn't much, but there was

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<v Speaker 6>like we were starting to lean that way a little

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<v Speaker 6>bit more so for me, it was like the fact

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<v Speaker 6>that they didn't anything, it was just like they showed it.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I feel like they showed a very obvious relationship,

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<v Speaker 6>because that's as obvious it was good. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 6>is what ninety five, So this is this is like

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<v Speaker 6>two years before, which is I looked at the date

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<v Speaker 6>because I was like, I'm trying to confirm that this

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<v Speaker 6>is probably the first one I watched.

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<v Speaker 5>Two years before Puppy and it's two years before.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like two years before even like the movie In

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<v Speaker 6>and Out, like which was one of the first the.

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<v Speaker 1>Puppy episode, The Puppy episode of Ellen Jenness is the

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<v Speaker 1>episode she came.

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<v Speaker 6>Right right with Lord darn and so yeah, so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I mean to me and at that point too,

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<v Speaker 6>like Ellen hadn't come out in her show, but her

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<v Speaker 6>show was actually on the air and everybody knew she

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<v Speaker 6>was gay, so like, you know, even though they didn't

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<v Speaker 6>talk about it. So for me, in a sense, like

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<v Speaker 5>I know what you're about to bring up?

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you probably do. There's two different things that

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<v Speaker 2>One of them is are you thinking of Deep Space nine?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Deep Space nine two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Later, two weeks later on Space nine. The reason why

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, if they were doing this, they

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<v Speaker 2>jed Zia Dax, who the character's gender is complicated because

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<v Speaker 2>of but there's a what is functionally for the purposes Trump, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. Functionally for the purposes of what is media consumption?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there's two girls kiss on that show. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well, because I was going in the

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<v Speaker 5>Like okay, It was like five.

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<v Speaker 2>Years later, okay, but I was like, okay, Deep Space

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<v Speaker 2>nine did this and they showed it. And also the

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<v Speaker 2>other reason why I didn't, I'm not by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>To be very clear, I love the way this was

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<v Speaker 2>but I was like, surely I'm projecting twen twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>onto this show right now. But when I also think

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<v Speaker 2>of the other franchise that we all have in common,

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<v Speaker 2>that we all talk about all the time, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is directed right now, which is The Wheel of Time.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wheel of Time, which is also a media franchise

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<v Speaker 2>that came out in the nineties, has two characters who

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<v Speaker 2>are the gayest characters in the world. They are so

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<v Speaker 2>fucking gay for each other, and the author is just like,

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<v Speaker 2>they're such good friends. This is what women friendship is like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what female friendship is. Like you get ked

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<v Speaker 2>and like do all this. I'm like, they're very gay.

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<v Speaker 2>They're extremely gay. So the reason why I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, I don't want to. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>just the reason why I was I I want to

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, oh, there's a lot of precedent for

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<v Speaker 2>this not being the way that men in particular right

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<v Speaker 2>media in the nineties, and so that yeah, I'm thrilled.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very happy to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>This is specifically canonical. GM is very much confirmed it

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Yeah, I want to uh. I have

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<v Speaker 1>heard people say that they prefer the way it happened

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<v Speaker 1>on because India sign they actually kiss like there's a

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<v Speaker 5>The Babylon five.

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<v Speaker 2>This is yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The d S nine one involves so much narrative gymnastics

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<v Speaker 1>to get the girls to kiss, like it's not no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>when they were a man, so she's in love with

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, it's not it's not two women kissing.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like it's the man inside the women's soul. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>the man is doing the kissing.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's very Rick Bermany because Rick Berman was a homophobic.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's like he's put all this stuff around

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<v Speaker 1>it like I'm gonna put all this stuff around to

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<v Speaker 1>get the hot ladies to kiss so you can be

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<v Speaker 1>turned on by it. But it's not kay whereas this

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<v Speaker 1>we don't actually see them kiss, but it literally was

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<v Speaker 1>just two women falling in And this is also much more.

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<v Speaker 6>This is also one month after Zena Warrior Princess started airing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, started airing, so there was it was not like

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<v Speaker 1>even lesbian subtext at that point.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And I mean it was obviously written before that

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<v Speaker 6>started airing, and probably JMS wasn't aware of it, but

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<v Speaker 6>it was definitely like it was deep in the guys

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<v Speaker 6>at the time. I mean people were like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 6>just need to fucking get past it and see it.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, like we said, like we're a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of years out from Ellen and and yet of course

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<v Speaker 6>that destroyed her career in that moment as well. So

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<v Speaker 6>there's all of that that like people weren't ready for it,

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<v Speaker 6>I guess because that's stupid. Yeah, I mean like everybody

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<v Speaker 6>was mostly footing around it and it was fucking ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And the JMS speaks, you see him getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little angry because he prior to this had been getting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of letters and emails and stuff from concern,

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<v Speaker 1>like from Christians being like, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>being tolerant of our faith. We know like you're an atheist,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for being tolerant of us. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. And then the second he did this,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like stop it, stop it, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>like exactly, He's like, I'm an atheist and I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>positively about religious people and you were grateful. I'm straight

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<v Speaker 1>and I write a show about gay and now you're

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<v Speaker 1>ang like Picolane like.

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<v Speaker 5>He was so mad about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote like long, long, expansive angry responses to that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you want me to be tolerant about you but not.

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<v Speaker 5>About other peo and fuck off. But he didn't say it.

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<v Speaker 5>He said it much more at length than that good friend.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but he was clear about it. And and and

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<v Speaker 6>the characters also felt that way. I mean like they

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<v Speaker 6>were they were playing it that truth, they were playing

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<v Speaker 6>that truth. They weren't they weren't playing the fake truth

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<v Speaker 6>of this is actually a man in my soul and

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<v Speaker 6>were not really attracted to each other like they were playing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great, It was great, It's entire According to

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<v Speaker 1>Claudia Christian and I don't know this is from her autobiography,

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<v Speaker 1>but according to her, this was her idea where like

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this in the Gray Council, where like

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<v Speaker 1>they she went to uh, I guess JMS, but she

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<v Speaker 1>said she approached them and saying when they brought in

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<v Speaker 1>an X for me.

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<v Speaker 5>I became afraid that was going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>My entire storyline, that every time they wanted an Evanava

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<v Speaker 1>story they would bring in an X. And she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want that to be my story. She's a professional,

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<v Speaker 1>and if if you're gonna have her in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather have her in a relationship with And she

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<v Speaker 5>Like this, I don't know an alien or a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And she saw like the lights in their eyes go okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do that then, And so yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>He was, you know, to say too. The JMS like

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<v Speaker 6>in the Future, really confirmed that that was thing. But

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think he was concurrent. He kind of doesn't.

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<v Speaker 6>He kind of dance around it a little bit at

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<v Speaker 6>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>In the JMS speaks, I don't know when these these

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<v Speaker 1>emails would have come to him, but people at the

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<v Speaker 1>was responding to them in the like, fuck off, you

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<v Speaker 1>liked it when I had good Christian people. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>angry when I have a character that you like you

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<v Speaker 1>slept with a woman.

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<v Speaker 6>Right right. So, But even like in JMS speaks here

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<v Speaker 6>he does say he's like when Talia wakes up in

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<v Speaker 6>Evanava's bed, finding her missing. It's tempting to jump to

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<v Speaker 6>the obvious conclusion. However, we know that Avanav's quarters only

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<v Speaker 6>has one caught, and of course Ivanava probably had a

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<v Speaker 6>sofa couch that might have been used. So he's kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>Dancing around of the all that except he does.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another one who says, and I'm going to disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with him on this one, but I can't because it's

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<v Speaker 1>his story. But I'd still disagree with him. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>Susan and Talia have been dancing around one another for months.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, though, would have been the first time they

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<v Speaker 1>got physically.

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<v Speaker 6>Wait is that in this is that here too? That

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<v Speaker 6>I missed this? I was reading that was not M speaks.

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<v Speaker 6>I was reading the wrong section that talks about the

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<v Speaker 6>obvious conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this person was like, well, we can't be sure.

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<v Speaker 6>Gay, thank you. I was in the wrong section. I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, wait, why is he saying this? Okay?

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<v Speaker 7>Good?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, ok.

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<v Speaker 3>Relationship is I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding because you guys, Joy, that's good. Never talk?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you correcting the bill?

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<v Speaker 2>I've never got for the rest of my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>live in the shirt now. I live in the shirt.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, no, don't live in the jar.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know what we should have been.

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<v Speaker 7>We should have known because Talia has one of the

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<v Speaker 7>most bisexual voices voice.

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<v Speaker 3>It was actually really.

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<v Speaker 7>Funny because I was like, I was talking to my

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<v Speaker 7>friend Tay, who is also bisexual last night. We're talking

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<v Speaker 7>about the by energy so one has, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 7>what is it about by people that they're just.

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<v Speaker 3>So hot? I was like, it's it's it's this energy.

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<v Speaker 7>It's this extra energy where you're like, oh, there's like

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<v Speaker 7>there's like an extra thing going on and you just

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<v Speaker 7>know it. And you're like, oh, there's like there's like

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<v Speaker 7>it's like you've got like a fun little secret all

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<v Speaker 7>the time. You're just like walking around. You're just like

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<v Speaker 7>you don't know anything about me. I could kiss anybody

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<v Speaker 7>at any time, Like you know, there's just like a vibe.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was like, what is it? I was like bye,

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, hey, or by people just like cooler

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<v Speaker 7>than everyone. So that's what bisexuals talk about when no

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<v Speaker 7>one else is bisexuals are really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one time when you commented on how you

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<v Speaker 1>identified with the husky blonde woman with empathy and Jen

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<v Speaker 1>and I in the breakouts were like the husky by

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<v Speaker 1>woman with and empathy.

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<v Speaker 5>By God, we were like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I really identify with her that.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know what, much like Talia, I too have

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<v Speaker 7>one of the most bisexual voices you've ever heard in

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<v Speaker 7>your life.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>I again, I feel like an idiot. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I've noticed this before. It's just like the blessing

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<v Speaker 1>I guess of going through the episode episodes likes and

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<v Speaker 1>breaking them down and thinking about this like this. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode where it is officially confirmed that Ivanova

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<v Speaker 1>is sleeping with the woman and is bisexual, she has

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<v Speaker 1>an extended coming out scene. It feels incredibly familiar as

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who has had to come out.

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<v Speaker 3>Who aimes extensive coming out scene.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean about her coming out scene, about about her

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<v Speaker 6>being a late and telepath, but it's it is written

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<v Speaker 6>like a coming out scene.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's very much like a coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. And Jenny, oh my god, I just realized in

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<v Speaker 6>the Lurkers guide, like, you know, there's a little diagram

428
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<v Speaker 6>in the middle of it. I thought I thought that

429
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<v Speaker 6>was the end. That's how I missed him talking about it,

430
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<v Speaker 6>there's entirely I was like, it's pretty long. Oh no,

431
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<v Speaker 6>oh no, it keeps.

432
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<v Speaker 5>Going, goes on and on. Yeah, one goes on for

433
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<v Speaker 5>a while.

434
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<v Speaker 1>So okay, now that we've done that, and I'm sorry,

435
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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I normally don't want to steer you

436
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<v Speaker 1>into Facebook, steer.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Whatever you want whatever.

438
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<v Speaker 3>That was appropriate.

439
00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:37.759
<v Speaker 2>That was very important, and that was something that apparently

440
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<v Speaker 2>both of us were like surely not like.

441
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<v Speaker 7>I was just like the nineties, like you know, women

442
00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.079
<v Speaker 7>were roommates.

443
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<v Speaker 6>Honestly, your your experience is similar to what mine was

444
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<v Speaker 6>often in the nineties, which is I would get really

445
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<v Speaker 6>excited because I felt like maybe something was actually going

446
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<v Speaker 6>to represent that, and then it didn't, and then someone

447
00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.319
<v Speaker 6>and like wrote the cannon away from it so that

448
00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.359
<v Speaker 6>it was like oh no, no no, like like the like

449
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.680
<v Speaker 6>the dad stuff. And so in a sense, I get like,

450
00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.720
<v Speaker 6>you're you're just your choice of being self preserving, like

451
00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:13.839
<v Speaker 6>because you're like it's the nineties, they're not gonna they're

452
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.039
<v Speaker 6>not actually gonna like let that be real, it's fair.

453
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<v Speaker 6>But what I think, you know, like, yeah.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Queer representation is so rough.

455
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<v Speaker 7>I think that I have a history of just like

456
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<v Speaker 7>looking for queerness where there isn't any a lot of

457
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<v Speaker 7>the time, or like like inserting queerness.

458
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<v Speaker 5>That was the experience in the nineties right general.

459
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<v Speaker 7>And so I was just like, oh, I'm doing that

460
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<v Speaker 7>thing again where I'm inserting queerness where there is none,

461
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:41.119
<v Speaker 7>because I just like like that, Yeah.

462
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<v Speaker 3>I like queerness. What can I say? So I was

463
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<v Speaker 3>just like, I think it's neat.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Have you read the Haunting of Hill House? Any of you?

465
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<v Speaker 9>No?

466
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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't do well with horror.

467
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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely zero relation to the Mike Flannagan show, which

468
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.480
<v Speaker 2>is great, but like absolutely fucking nothing could comment at all.

469
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<v Speaker 2>But it as the most obvious fucking gay women relationship

470
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<v Speaker 2>in it that ever. I think it was written in

471
00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:13.160
<v Speaker 2>like the what like the fifties or something, and there's

472
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<v Speaker 2>these two this one of the women who was there

473
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.279
<v Speaker 2>is like, yeah, you know this my good friend inherited

474
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<v Speaker 2>a house and I had been kind of working for

475
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<v Speaker 2>her with her, and she had me move in and

476
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>then I just kind of stayed around. They thought she

477
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<v Speaker 2>was going to get married, but she didn't, and so

478
00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:29.799
<v Speaker 2>then you know, I just stayed living with her for

479
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<v Speaker 2>a while and then we had a big fight. You know,

480
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty years in and so I figured i'd take a

481
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.559
<v Speaker 2>little time away. And now I'm here and I'm like, oh,

482
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>so you were functionally just yeay, yeah you didn't say it.

483
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<v Speaker 2>The book is so gay and that was great. Also scary,

484
00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.279
<v Speaker 2>but not scary, not scary in like a like a

485
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 2>like a like a homophobia way, just scary.

486
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

487
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.519
<v Speaker 2>I get canceled if by blink the wrong way. Right now,

488
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.279
<v Speaker 2>so nobody's canceled.

489
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.839
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's canceled except for Jen. That's what you decided.

490
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<v Speaker 6>Thanks, Yes, it will happen.

491
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<v Speaker 3>Watch yourself.

492
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Now that we've i think plumbed the depths of that,

493
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Speaker 1>do you wanted to actually talk.

494
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<v Speaker 3>About a turn of phrase?

495
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Dude, Talia is dead man. That sucks bisexual.

496
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<v Speaker 3>We're going to fix it. We're going to fix it.

497
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<v Speaker 7>We're going to fix it. I don't know how, but

498
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:36.920
<v Speaker 7>we're going to fix it. Susan will be on that

499
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:44.279
<v Speaker 7>like buys on hot women. Never get in the way

500
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<v Speaker 7>of a bisexual and her emotional support.

501
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 3>Hot woman never.

502
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<v Speaker 7>That's gonna be the biggest mistake they've ever made. She's

503
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<v Speaker 7>going to figure out a way. She's a late and telepath.

504
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<v Speaker 7>She's got the technology we're gonna make it up.

505
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<v Speaker 2>This was bananas. Well, by the way, lead us back

506
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:06.039
<v Speaker 2>everybody for a minute. Anyways, Yeah, you.

507
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 5>Got really excited.

508
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<v Speaker 6>Who wrote the spot?

509
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<v Speaker 3>How did you?

510
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

511
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<v Speaker 5>Sorry, I was just it was jam okay, yes.

512
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<v Speaker 2>Directed, it was it was it a later Jim Johnson

513
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<v Speaker 2>bit is Trevino.

514
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<v Speaker 6>I think he directed again?

515
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

516
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The the thing I screamed about

517
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:31.839
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, it said guest star Patricia Tolman. Is that

518
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<v Speaker 2>her name? Patricia Tollman is lead Alexander and the one what?

519
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:36.519
<v Speaker 2>And then you were.

520
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 7>Looking away At the time, I wasn't paying attention at all,

521
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.839
<v Speaker 7>but that was that was a fun reveal.

522
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<v Speaker 2>I hope you go back again.

523
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<v Speaker 5>I will say.

524
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<v Speaker 1>Also, yes, that's another thing, because I told you this before,

525
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the pilot.

526
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<v Speaker 5>So this was another one of those episodes where're like, oh,

527
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:54.960
<v Speaker 5>they made up a flashback because.

528
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 2>They just really funny.

529
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea it was. No, that's actually a

530
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>thing that happen, And in the show it's just like,

531
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.880
<v Speaker 1>all right, that's amazing making up flashbacks.

532
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 5>Cool.

533
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.359
<v Speaker 2>A lot going on, man, When Leita's showing up hanging

534
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.039
<v Speaker 2>out being on the run from Mars more Mars Mars

535
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 2>continuing to be very very important. Tali is dead for

536
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>now at least we're bringing her back, No way, BLib

537
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 2>blue blah blah blue blue blab Caush is just getting

538
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 2>his suit out, getting his lights out, just whipping it out,

539
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>man and everybody.

540
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.559
<v Speaker 1>There were two cash scenes in this episode. There was

541
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 1>one that was a flashback and then one that was

542
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.599
<v Speaker 1>like a current one.

543
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are they gonna what? Are they a serial

544
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>flasher Italian? They remembering how cash did they gotcha? Trauma

545
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>on her? So like, what are they gonna do now?

546
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the ramifications. Are they just going to

547
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>put her in some kind of like trauma loop lockdown?

548
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>That would be deeply uncomfortable? Okay, but we also just

549
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>exterminated the markab last episode, so whatever.

550
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 6>Not steering away from comfort, No, he's very much not.

551
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, yeah, flashed out of his suit and was

552
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 5>a ring light.

553
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Apparently it was a ring light because it was standard

554
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>definition television.

555
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 6>He's like, girlfriend, you just need me naked, here go,

556
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 6>here go.

557
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's pretty much. She's like, please, dudes, please.

558
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 2>If I bring you, if I fill your water bottle,

559
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>you show me your boots.

560
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, exactly right, exactly what it was.

561
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:42.920
<v Speaker 10>Oh my god. I tried to think if there's anything

562
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 10>else to talk about in this.

563
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 6>One, He's like, is canceled now it's the boobs whatever.

564
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, out of pocket ship, what either could

565
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.319
<v Speaker 2>you leave? So, okay, here's something. Here's something. Vanda Do

566
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<v Speaker 2>Man episode Zanda Do Man episode Alpha did was Talia's thing?

567
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Alpha sixty sixth data whatever did? Was there a way

568
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to determine that?

569
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:11.960
<v Speaker 5>Literally?

570
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because Gus I have never paid attention

571
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>to it is granular detail.

572
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>As I have this time, I gotta go back and

573
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 2>I got to watch through and see if Talia ever

574
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>said Alpha six sixth day to three. Okay, here's the I.

575
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.720
<v Speaker 5>Don't know, but she was control at that time.

576
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes it. Here's a funny thing. Control advised

577
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.160
<v Speaker 2>that they kill Talia Winters that.

578
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 5>Okay, that is another thing. He goes over a lot

579
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 5>in the thing.

580
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it wasn't control, it was whatever Bureau thirteen okay,

581
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:50.319
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, so and the personality control and whatever it

582
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>is is self preservation is it's ultimate goal. So it

583
00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>could have adapted the command to preserve herself because it's

584
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>unlikely that whoever was giving the command knew who they

585
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>were giving the command.

586
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, okay, okay, okay, okay, right, okay.

587
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so it's people, because people definitely ask that.

588
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 6>Oh you do you want to read that one? Or

589
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.400
<v Speaker 6>does it not matter? Sure, there's nothing in it. There's

590
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 6>nothing in that if Talia was in. The question was

591
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 6>if Talia was control inspider in the web, why would

592
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 6>she order herself eliminated? My sense, and this is a response,

593
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 6>My sense was that I think this is the gymis speaks.

594
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 6>It's so damn long, I can't even tell what section

595
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 6>I meant.

596
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 5>I know.

597
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.319
<v Speaker 6>My sense was that the control part, which sometimes moved

598
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 6>at night, reported that the mission could be jeopardized. Then

599
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 6>B thirteen gave the order to eliminate. No where does

600
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 6>it say that control said the second half.

601
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see, all right, that makes sense.

602
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.599
<v Speaker 6>It's this also says control was referred to as he

603
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 6>and he as His response is you always refer to

604
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 6>agents in the single heat form to avoid giving away identities.

605
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 6>That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

606
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 5>Yes, he was quite I read about that.

607
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 7>He was like, it was affer until I realized they

608
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.799
<v Speaker 7>didn't want to give him a plot.

609
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, one other thing, just because I think some people

610
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>got in the weeds in this, and he gave a

611
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 1>really cool metaphor for what he's doing.

612
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to find here.

613
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>One of his friends is Harlan Ellison, who was like

614
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a very famous author that he is a consultant on

615
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 1>the show. And apparently I'm trying to find it but

616
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 1>I can't. But apparently Harlan used to like to do

617
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 1>this performance art thing where he would go to cafes

618
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>or bookstores and write a book, like write several chapters

619
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>while people watched, and he would like, as he finished

620
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a page, he would tape it up to the wall

621
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<v Speaker 1>and keep writing.

622
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.359
<v Speaker 5>And the point was that he could never go back.

623
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he had to only write forward.

624
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, And so in the stuff back he might have changed.

625
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 1>He changed his mind on like page twelve about something

626
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that he'd written on page stupid. He can't go back,

627
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.599
<v Speaker 1>he can't go back and fix it. And Jamie says,

628
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much what I'm doing. It's with the show, Like.

629
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he says, wait, is this the place where it is?

630
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 6>He's said absolutely nothing from prior seasons or episodes has

631
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 6>been discarded and then he says, well, no, that's not

632
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 6>where he says the thing about going back, Damn, I

633
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 6>read the brown part again.

634
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's just like the idea is that, you know,

635
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>even if I want to alter things, I have to

636
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>find a way to do it.

637
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't go back, Yeah, commit to what I already wrote.

638
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I have to commit to what I wrote, because that's

639
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>like when you're writing shows. This is not the same

640
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 1>as sitting down and writing an entire season at once.

641
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>He's writing them as they're airing, right.

642
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 2>So because it is also go ahead, I'm sorry.

643
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<v Speaker 6>Oh well, I just I did find it. So you're

644
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.559
<v Speaker 6>talking about Harlan and Allison and then talking about high

645
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 6>taped to the wall. He says, that's pretty much what

646
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 6>I'm doing here. It's an ongoing story. I can't go back.

647
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 6>I can only go forward. As each page or episode

648
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 6>is finished, it's put up on the wall and I

649
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 6>have to go on to the next one. So far,

650
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 6>I've written twenty four hundred pages on that wall. Again,

651
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 6>I can't go back and change anything. If there's a

652
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 6>bump caused by a real world incident, it simply has

653
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 6>to be accommodated as best I can will still going

654
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 6>forward where I have to go. I think he's referring

655
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 6>to Sheridan's clearing. He says, from time to time, there's

656
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 6>going to be a misstroke on the keyboard, or there's

657
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.279
<v Speaker 6>going to be a typo that I'll miss. That's inevitable

658
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 6>when you're out performing in front of a massive crowd

659
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 6>on the high wire without a net. As long as

660
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.000
<v Speaker 6>the totality of it all hangs together, as long as

661
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 6>the story is told, the trick finally done, then that's

662
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 6>what fundamentally matters. Yeah, it's cool, it's really cool.

663
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. Yeah, it's just a few things that

664
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm mulling over ramifications from earlier. But a lot of

665
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 2>them are probably I'm thinking too hard about it, so

666
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I won't.

667
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, I'm curious always as to what you're

668
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>thinking too hard about, but okay.

669
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, one of them is Jason Ironheart was like a

670
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>P seven million, right, something like that. Yeah, it's odd

671
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 2>that he was not cognizant of this.

672
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>That is also addressed in the larger yes you are

673
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you understand that this is a show watched and loved

674
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 1>by nerds.

675
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 5>Hold on, not Jason going to be Ironheart, I.

676
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Told me to just make you guys popcorn through the

677
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Lurkers guide. I'm just thinking, saw the ass.

678
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't iron Heart have removed control? Was Talia the original personality?

679
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Since control was the construct the alternate personality was dormant

680
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.400
<v Speaker 1>at the time that Ironheart was there, so sure it

681
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 1>wasn't primarily there. And then this is the part. Remember

682
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.319
<v Speaker 1>that iron Heart was not seeing Talia under the best

683
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 1>of conditions. He was fighting hard not to use his

684
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>abilities for any reason because it created mind quicks He

685
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 1>was pulling everything in and later he was shot. So

686
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>not exactly in a good position to be like, yeah.

687
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah he was. He was highly stressed and evolving into

688
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:54.640
<v Speaker 5>a new type of.

689
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Turning into his starchild. Yeah, it's a shame that he

690
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>gave her telekinesis because now she fuckings socks. For now, Yeah, for.

691
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Now, we're going to fix it. I'm in denial, vehement,

692
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 3>vehement denial. Okay, I am in say I'm in Egypt

693
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 3>because I'm in denial.

694
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 5>So do you have any questions? You're thinking too hard

695
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 5>about that?

696
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps jam has answered, because you were not the only

697
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>nerd he was thinking about.

698
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 5>The check.

699
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 2>There was the one that I mentioned between recordings, but

700
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 2>that was based on something that you told us at

701
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>the end of season one that it was not explicitly

702
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 2>we talked about.

703
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:36.119
<v Speaker 7>Can we talk about that, I now have hope Takashima returns,

704
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 7>or no, can we not talk about I think returns.

705
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>You told us that Takashima was originally supposed to shoot Garibaldi,

706
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think Takashima was an ass. Was Takashima

707
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be this?

708
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literally quoting quoting jas Yes, Laurel would have been control.

709
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's literally, it's like literally seventeen paragraphs. Now, there's

710
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.159
<v Speaker 6>like seven pair wraps about that in this, in this

711
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:05.639
<v Speaker 6>wanted to be controlled.

712
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 3>I have hope now that she's returned.

713
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>She was supposed to be because she punched in the

714
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 2>code and the things coming.

715
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 6>And Evanava was supposed to be sort of Takashima's second

716
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 6>in command, like like the guy who came to and

717
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 6>he said you're doing a great job and then he

718
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 6>sent him away, Like yeah, yeah, so that would have

719
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 6>been Evanah and Takashima would have been controlled and pulled away.

720
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited.

721
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 6>He also says this, but he also says this thing

722
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 6>about like Talia, and he says, like from the first,

723
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 6>from the second, from the first episode, after the pilot,

724
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 6>he knew it was already like he was like, I'm

725
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 6>putting Talia in that position. And he was like, if

726
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 6>you go back, I can't find this one, Jenny. But

727
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 6>he says, if you go back and look at a

728
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 6>lot of the shots of Talia, she's looking in a

729
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 6>mirror or they're in a mirror.

730
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I know.

731
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.039
<v Speaker 1>I will point out that was a big thing with

732
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 1>with the cash trauma syne. He said, she asked what

733
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>was on that crystal? He said, reflections, right, So.

734
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.239
<v Speaker 3>We're going to fix it.

735
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Wesh. Some maybe they got like a backup of her personality. Somehow,

736
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 2>I doubt it. You can't put a whole personality to data, cres.

737
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 3>How do you know, have we tried.

738
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:18.679
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think Gilbert Godfried is capable of that.

739
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I think Cosh could do that, but I'm not sure

740
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 2>that Gilbert Godfried and his hat or capable of that.

741
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 3>I think he can fix her. Maybe he just needs

742
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 3>to flash her one.

743
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 5>Time, show her his boobs.

744
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 6>That's right.

745
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 3>So the healing power of boobs.

746
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>The healing power we make one of our general make

747
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 1>one of ours two cash heads right at the boob

748
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>placed on it.

749
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.280
<v Speaker 6>With inter nipples right in the middle.

750
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 5>You are in charge of the T shirt making.

751
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 6>That one.

752
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're gonna have soon.

753
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 3>The best the fast shirts.

754
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 2>There's something that we could talk about, goes, I don't

755
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>know who I am? And then we flash into the

756
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>dreamland with do you know who I am?

757
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Which is actually when yeah, incidentally Italian, I'm sorry, no,

758
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I was, yes, but when that dream happened, you actually

759
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 1>made the theory that maybe she's a latent telepath, and

760
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that was what that's that's what that was.

761
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 5>That's literally what that scene in the dream was.

762
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>You are laughed at me.

763
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 6>You ever that you say that every week, You're.

764
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 7>Laughing right down you just because.

765
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 5>It's the romantic face touching you learned in marriage.

766
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 6>Is I'm romantically face touching myself here?

767
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 5>Hey, no, no, no, no, we don't do that in public.

768
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Actually I was romantically I was romantically kissing my cat.

769
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 6>I apologize for the kizzie sounds if you watched the

770
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 6>last I was.

771
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 5>Just about to make a very very dirty and I'm

772
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 5>just so happy to.

773
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 7>Receiving that love that cat was the happiest cat in

774
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 7>the world, so delightful.

775
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 5>I want to make a lesbian joke, and I'm gonna let.

776
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 6>That one, but we're not talking about my cat.

777
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Stop saying okay anyway, okay, so let's see. But yeah,

778
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that's what that was the crow as yet, not necessarily I.

779
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Decided what that was that was, didn't I?

780
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>You did? What was it for the shadows shadow stuff,

781
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 2>which would make sense because she's suppressing her. So that

782
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 2>was what the dream was meant to be, was that

783
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>she was latent telepathic.

784
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 5>That's what that.

785
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Now I got to think about the rest of the ship,

786
00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the man in the between, I.

787
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 7>Already have, I've already created an entire you all laughed

788
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 7>at me that whole time.

789
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 5>We're never.

790
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to move on, and now look at you,

791
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 7>you all eating crow right now.

792
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.000
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't a crow. It was a raven. It was

793
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:19.440
<v Speaker 5>a raven.

794
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 1>But yes, eating crow, that's what that was, eating ravens.

795
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.199
<v Speaker 1>So okay, but yeah, that's what that was, very nice.

796
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 6>Right here.

797
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, because then there was also wait, who else

798
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 3>was in the dream?

799
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 7>Garibaldi and Cash and he had the doll on his shoulder.

800
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 2>A dove and he said the man was man.

801
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 5>In between between is looking for you.

802
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 3>The man in between, well, could be job.

803
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I can't do this again right now? What am I telling?

804
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 7>The man in between could be the shadow people, could

805
00:39:54.440 --> 00:40:00.480
<v Speaker 7>be Jeff could be Jeff could be, could be.

806
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>A man in between because he's got a he's got

807
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 2>a Minbari soul.

808
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.559
<v Speaker 5>Mhm okay.

809
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 6>Ostensibly episode with Nolando and Jakar and I didn't miss

810
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 6>them until.

811
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Didn't mind it all? Man, listen, you get this much

812
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Talia Winters. Oh, I'm sorry. Can we take a second

813
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 2>talk about Talia Winter's villain edition. Uh, I'm surprised that

814
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>all of everybody else got through that unscathed because I

815
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>thought that was that was that was pretty great. Yeah, yeah,

816
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.039
<v Speaker 2>that was pretty great. You had a white You don't

817
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about hot villains, Talia Winter.

818
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Of course I do. I just am. Also, there's there's

819
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 3>puzzles for me.

820
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about bisexual villains.

821
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.519
<v Speaker 3>But if I started a rumination, I will not stop.

822
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Ever going to happen. So I'm never going to come

823
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 2>back to sexual villain.

824
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 3>No, I do love her. Bisexual villain.

825
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Queer do crime that is j M. For this episode,

826
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 2>is that.

827
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.400
<v Speaker 6>Actually that is definitely a crime.

828
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.400
<v Speaker 5>Crimes. I think it's just like random vandalism that it

829
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 5>came up.

830
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Talia Winters do bisexuality and also crimes. It is really

831
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 2>quite unsettling to think that the control was like, I'm

832
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>going to seduce Evanova or help to seduce Evanava. That's

833
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>quite upsetting.

834
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:42.760
<v Speaker 7>Bisexual path with a with a deep voice. I was like,

835
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 7>I think I should sue.

836
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 6>I think I think idly, I think villain. I think

837
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.400
<v Speaker 6>that this is my canon that I have written, is

838
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 6>that is that that villain Talia is just so bad

839
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 6>that she would say that just a hurt Evanova because

840
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 6>she doesn't. It was very much to know that, like

841
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 6>real Talia actually had feelings, actually had feelings, and so

842
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.400
<v Speaker 6>she's just making she did.

843
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>I know she did, but I'm I'm. The thing that

844
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I think is yucky about it is the villain Talia control.

845
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Talia could then be like and I'm going to push

846
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 2>that even harder.

847
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.599
<v Speaker 5>Exactly, Yeah, she's just cruel.

848
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Exactly mean, she's just an evil, shitty, fucking god fuck

849
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 2>py corps man. Why did I ever say that.

850
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 3>I support women's rights and women's wrong suck Pye Corp.

851
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, yes, Charlie, sorry, that was a Charlie quote. Yes, Okay,

852
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 1>so we've gotten over that. We've gone over uh basically

853
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Talia's character assassination, her betrayal Lyda Uh.

854
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:52.840
<v Speaker 5>Okay.

855
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about Lida returning and going to see Cash.

856
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>She's been trying to get into Vorlan space this whole time.

857
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people have been that's come up before.

858
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 2>At least one other person has talked about trying to

859
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:04.519
<v Speaker 2>get into morel On space.

860
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 6>It does feel a little bit like she's kind of

861
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 6>got a little bit of an addiction going on. She's like,

862
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 6>I need more.

863
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Away.

864
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Did you feel a little addiction coded?

865
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:25.480
<v Speaker 7>And I was like, I mean bisexuals do love booths

866
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 7>as she gives neurotic bisexual like, let's be honest.

867
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Glad she's here.

868
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 5>Okay, Okay, I hope she comes back.

869
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 7>There is a specific brand of bisexual that are neurotic bisexuals.

870
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Tell me I'm wrong.

871
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean, no, I'm not.

872
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 6>We haven't brought there is one other sort of thing

873
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 6>that we haven't brought up though.

874
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm.

875
00:43:48.480 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 6>Delenn All the and my my niece Saviana says, but

876
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 6>but tea about people's butts. That makes me giggle.

877
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I just I also ump that you have a niece

878
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>named Fantastic. I have a poster of Abenda somewhere on

879
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 1>my wall.

880
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>But everything, everything that is happening with the the the

881
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 2>very very very slow kindling of whatever that is. I'm

882
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 2>never going to assume anybody is romantically involved over again,

883
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>because I'm gonna get it wrong someday. The very slow

884
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>kindling of romance between Delenn and Sheridan makes me.

885
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 3>They're definitely into each other, definitely.

886
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I will have gone nowhere. We'll see more cherry tomatoes

887
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.119
<v Speaker 2>any day now.

888
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 3>But that one makes ver semon.

889
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:46.199
<v Speaker 2>You know what.

890
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, you guys just talk amongst yourself. I'm sending jennadon.

891
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, hey, Ali, how do you feel about bisexual

892
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 2>villain era.

893
00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

894
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I love bisexual villain area. Sad about Talia being potentially dead.

895
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>They're having sneaky tip type conversation. I don't like anything

896
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 2>that's happening right now, except that we might get information

897
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 2>out of them and we might not.

898
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, not yet, God damn it.

899
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 6>That was deliciously fun to like do that in real time,

900
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 6>and then.

901
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 1>I know, have fun for whom me bullshit?

902
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Now you understand, Uh yeah, I love that, love that

903
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that's happening.

904
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 5>I know it's so I just it was so cute.

905
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to guess you go you were done.

906
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:56.039
<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say, if if if mirror Furlong

907
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 1>was looking at me saying but but but.

908
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 5>I might be a puddle. I think I would just

909
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:02.960
<v Speaker 5>on the floor.

910
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to guess what you two were typing

911
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 2>to each other. You're going to guess Jenny said, can

912
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 2>we tell them that the Jeff fruit thing goes nowhere yet?

913
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Or should we hold off? And Jen said, let's hold

914
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 2>off a little while.

915
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 6>I love how how how fifty of that is right?

916
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to tell you straight up, fifty percent of

917
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 6>what you just said is right. The part where you said, Jen,

918
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 6>can we tell them about and I said, no, let's

919
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 6>wait that Literally.

920
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 5>The first the sentence was word for word. It was

921
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:41.480
<v Speaker 5>a little weird.

922
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:47.440
<v Speaker 6>Ye, the second half of it may or may not

923
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 6>have been right.

924
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Just just do me favorite pin that message in your

925
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 2>discord chat so that when we eventually can learn, we

926
00:46:56.119 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>can come back. If you don't, Jen can we tell

927
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 2>them about Can we tell them about the.

928
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Fact that Delenn and Jeff are married.

929
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 2>No, they're never going to give us anything ever. Again,

930
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 2>they're typing again a keyboard.

931
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 3>I hear it.

932
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.519
<v Speaker 6>I get here, I can type to I was right.

933
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 7>I was right, has an issue because that issue is

934
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 7>an issue.

935
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 6>And also my discord said, Jenny is typing, and then

936
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 6>it said and then it went away.

937
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 5>That's what he.

938
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Called it out.

939
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 2>How about least do we want to talk about least?

940
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 2>We could do that. We are going to talk with

941
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 2>each other.

942
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 3>We have a new lease on life. Can we tell them?

943
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 7>Can we there are just no you know what it is, guys,

944
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 7>they're just mocking me for they're all laugh think of me.

945
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna edit this out of the podcast.

946
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 6>You want. This is incredible for anybody listening. I wish

947
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.039
<v Speaker 6>you could see my face right now. Well, I'm left packeting,

948
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 6>she's pagetting. I'm thinking she's taking I'm pincketting out of water.

949
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:22.760
<v Speaker 6>I'm dying here.

950
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have done that live, but I just I

951
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.199
<v Speaker 1>realized I had I had to ask you.

952
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Now, I willed to tell them Lida comes back.

953
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 6>I mean, what can we tell them? Leda comes back.

954
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:43.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry, I'm still reading back what Jenny wrote. Oh yeah, can.

955
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 7>We tell them also comes.

956
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 6>Correct for what we've done.

957
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you getting the first part of this

958
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.079
<v Speaker 1>seconds down, it's amazing you.

959
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Got the first part is the worst day of my life.

960
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.519
<v Speaker 2>This was the best day earlier. That's good again.

961
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what this is. I am on behalf of Ali.

962
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 1>This is revenge, yeah, yes.

963
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 7>But I am also being affected ship I've read or

964
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.639
<v Speaker 7>watched some day. One of these days, I'm gonna have

965
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 7>watched something you all haven't watched, and then we'll see.

966
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:31.400
<v Speaker 7>We'll see indeed, who's laughing at whom the table because

967
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 7>you're all laughing.

968
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 3>At me this whole time.

969
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.880
<v Speaker 6>We're just laughing around you.

970
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 7>No, and I stay winning. I slay my enemies and

971
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 7>my friends.

972
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, that's fair.

973
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, you know, a good episode. I'm very sad,

974
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>but I'm also very happy.

975
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm very sad.

976
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm also very sad.

977
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:57.840
<v Speaker 7>And I'm angry with you all for making me sad

978
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 7>on this lovely Monday evening.

979
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.559
<v Speaker 5>Well, there was girl kissing implied, girl kissing.

980
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Girl applied, Yeah, kissing, I suppose.

981
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 6>And just so you know, They never actually did shoot

982
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 6>the scene with them kissing and cut it. They just

983
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 6>didn't shoot it because he decided that, like, we didn't

984
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 6>need to actually shoot it.

985
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Cowards.

986
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, release tell you.

987
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>That, release the makeup, bring back shall On. This is

988
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>and for that do not. Can we tell them that

989
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 2>shall Mayan was also canonically gay? That's what it was.

990
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 5>That's totally entirely.

991
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.519
<v Speaker 3>Who is the.

992
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>One's gay friend?

993
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, the gay friend. I forgot about the gay friend.

994
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Grab what's happening?

995
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm tired.

996
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's happening anymore.

997
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 6>Did we just hold up my camera?

998
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.320
<v Speaker 2>What is going on? Holding things up the key? What

999
00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>is going on here?

1000
00:50:58.199 --> 00:50:59.559
<v Speaker 6>Do you want me? I think I know, I think

1001
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 6>I know what? What? What?

1002
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.599
<v Speaker 5>Yea yea yea yeah yeah yeah, just to wait? Why

1003
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:14.159
<v Speaker 5>would you show you what you're doing? This is from

1004
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:14.800
<v Speaker 5>my convention.

1005
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I just thought, Charlie, sorry for.

1006
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 5>The podcast listeners.

1007
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:26.639
<v Speaker 1>This is Claudia Christian and Andrea Thompson at a convention kissing.

1008
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:35.760
<v Speaker 11>Because that's so sweet. Yes, thank god, thank you for

1009
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 11>showing me that. We don't even need a I.

1010
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 5>No, I's gonna say, no need for that.

1011
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Actually have ladies kiss each other that's perfectly fine.

1012
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 3>That's better, even much.

1013
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 5>Better, much better, much better. Okay, do I don't know

1014
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 5>that I have anything else to bring up. Apologies for

1015
00:51:58.480 --> 00:51:59.039
<v Speaker 5>the torture.

1016
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.239
<v Speaker 2>We deserve that, we deserve that and more for the

1017
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>least thing.

1018
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 5>Yes, you're right, never mind, I take it all back.

1019
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 3>But we do.

1020
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.719
<v Speaker 2>We tortured her for twenty minutes about least notably that

1021
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 2>same episode I mentioned, Yeah, the one that same time,

1022
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 2>I said, and you remembered Lida because you said you

1023
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.039
<v Speaker 2>had to look up Takashima in the pilot, but you

1024
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:19.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to.

1025
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 3>You're wrong because she's coming back.

1026
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 2>But also, Takashima's actress said, fuck this ship, I'm out,

1027
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.119
<v Speaker 2>and Lda's actress said, I'm going to go to Jurassic Park.

1028
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:29.760
<v Speaker 3>She would, so fuck the ship. I'm out.

1029
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>She said, I don't want to do uh. I don't

1030
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 2>want to be in a show about the military. You

1031
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.239
<v Speaker 2>told us that I look anything up. You told us

1032
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>that I don't think I blocked Google.

1033
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 5>You are right, you are right. I'm trying to think.

1034
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to tell you another sentence.

1035
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Another thought from the Looker's guide here, because, as he said,

1036
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Laura was supposed to be control, he said. Part of

1037
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the reason he thought this would be good for h

1038
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>is it Tamra Timita, what's her name? I think Hamlin,

1039
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.760
<v Speaker 1>thank you. She had a burgeoning film career, and he

1040
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:07.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't think they would be able to keep her for

1041
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the entire show anyway. So it's like this will be

1042
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a way to you knows, because.

1043
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 5>You you rework things.

1044
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 6>He even says. He he says, when I took la

1045
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.000
<v Speaker 6>off the board, he says, when I took Laura off

1046
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 6>the board, elements of this were transferred to other characters

1047
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 6>he's talking about with and then she was going to

1048
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 6>be a trader. Initially she was going to be the

1049
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.559
<v Speaker 6>one to shoot Garibaldi. But then when she when she

1050
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.400
<v Speaker 6>left the show, like things were, things were changed, but

1051
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 6>she wouldn't have been control.

1052
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Just yeah, yeah, but that was the thought.

1053
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, okay, this is well, this was great.

1054
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 5>I hated it, terrible. I'm having great.

1055
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible, it's horrible. I'm having a wonderful time.

1056
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.320
<v Speaker 5>Perfect, excellent, perfect, exactly where we watch.

1057
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I can control the screen. Yes, everything is fine. This

1058
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 2>is the cannon ending. Yeah, yes, all right, Well with that, by.

1059
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 8>My friends, you have reached the most dangerous part of

1060
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 8>our journey, the Gray Council. Here we speak of things

1061
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 8>that must not be spoken, secrets, betrayals, spoilers. If you

1062
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:46.239
<v Speaker 8>are not ready turned back now that if.

1063
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:50.360
<v Speaker 2>You dare to proceed, I promise you it will be.

1064
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Manificent, mister Garibaldi.

1065
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 1>So I know because people who are listening to this

1066
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's listen to the Gray Council now.

1067
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:08.119
<v Speaker 6>To some of her great Council stuff, go away exactly.

1068
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear and know the question that I

1069
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:15.440
<v Speaker 1>asked Jen, which was and I want to know your justification.

1070
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:18.559
<v Speaker 6>For your answer, because I uh asked and then you

1071
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.960
<v Speaker 6>asked me the second thing you explained why you asked me.

1072
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.360
<v Speaker 6>But okay, so start with what you asked, and then.

1073
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Why, yes, could we tell should we tell them about

1074
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 1>the original plan for Delenne now, which was to have

1075
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 1>her transition from male to female? And then I said,

1076
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the reason I didn't want to tell them is because

1077
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>of the reason that immediately happened when Delenne came out

1078
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and was hot, was that she would predict that Delenne

1079
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and Sheridan were supposed to be together if she knew

1080
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that they transitioned. She almost predicted it, but she was

1081
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 1>so into the Jeff thing, but I think if we

1082
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>told her the transition plan, it would have made her

1083
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 1>more on high alert for yes, Jeff shared or Sheridan.

1084
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 6>De Lenne yes. And here's I had two reasons for

1085
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.559
<v Speaker 6>saying no, let's not tell them yet. I love it

1086
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:05.519
<v Speaker 6>like he literally read word for what we said, because

1087
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.039
<v Speaker 6>I said no, let's wait. Two reasons for waiting. The

1088
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 6>first is a shallow reason. The second is a deep reason.

1089
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 6>The first reason for waiting was just that, in part

1090
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.199
<v Speaker 6>because there was so much in this and I wanted

1091
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 6>to be able to like really stay focused on on

1092
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 6>both both the like Talia getting you know, being finding

1093
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 6>out she's a sleeper agent, but also the Talia Evanava

1094
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 6>of it all. And I was like, let's just stay

1095
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:29.960
<v Speaker 6>on that and keep that focus in their relationship. I mean,

1096
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.480
<v Speaker 6>I'm the one who brought up like, let's not forget

1097
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.400
<v Speaker 6>to talk about Sheridan delen But the second reason is

1098
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 6>that when the Sheridan de Lenz stuff was happening, they

1099
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.480
<v Speaker 6>still kept saying, but what about Saint Claire? What about

1100
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 6>are is she married? And I'm not ready to say no,

1101
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.480
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't actually, nothing ever ever comes to that and

1102
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 6>then and so I was like, I'm not going ready

1103
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:52.280
<v Speaker 6>to say that because they keep bringing it up. And

1104
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:53.880
<v Speaker 6>they even brought it up when they asked what we

1105
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.679
<v Speaker 6>were talking about, did.

1106
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.000
<v Speaker 5>Right? They're so right?

1107
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I'm wonder, like we want to bring it

1108
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:04.239
<v Speaker 1>up then until Jeff is like said back in time.

1109
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.119
<v Speaker 6>Well, I wonder. And then there's because there's also like

1110
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 6>when when his wife shows up, and so I yeah,

1111
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.199
<v Speaker 6>but that's yeah, that's true, I know, which is not

1112
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 6>for a while. But so I'm kind of like, when

1113
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 6>do we because I really do I want to go back.

1114
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.559
<v Speaker 6>But Gus just popped us off. He put a picture

1115
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 6>of Delenn in our group chat, didn't he? Or maybe

1116
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.920
<v Speaker 6>it was in the maybe it was on the like

1117
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:29.679
<v Speaker 6>a picture of de Len from the pilot when she

1118
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:30.440
<v Speaker 6>looks like a man.

1119
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:33.840
<v Speaker 5>Oh he put yeah a while ago there in the group.

1120
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it wasn't, but it was long ago. And so

1121
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.519
<v Speaker 6>I was like, you know, I do I really want

1122
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 6>to tell them about that because I just it's so

1123
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 6>interesting to me and I think it's really fun.

1124
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like I know people like that was another

1125
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:46.599
<v Speaker 1>thing that I had to be on high alerts in

1126
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:48.519
<v Speaker 1>the comments for because so many people mentioned it. I

1127
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was leading it, and like I said, the reason I

1128
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 1>was deleting it was for the same reason that like

1129
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.679
<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, when the second de Lene came out looking hot,

1130
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that was, Oh, they made her hot so she can

1131
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>get together, and like, yeah, that the same reason. I'm

1132
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.639
<v Speaker 1>just keeping that away from Ali. Yeah, well I've got

1133
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.719
<v Speaker 1>just Ali. Although she's not been on her game for

1134
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>shipping this season, she's interesting.

1135
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 6>Okay, so I should I do want to say, And

1136
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.159
<v Speaker 6>this isn't something we don't we've talked about, not in

1137
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 6>front of them, but in a way it's relevant because yeah,

1138
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 6>like me in the nineties as a progressive feminist, like

1139
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.199
<v Speaker 6>was seeing it where it was I mean it was gear. Yeah,

1140
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.000
<v Speaker 6>And like I said, I have been waiting like the

1141
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 6>whole scene when you and I talked to and I

1142
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 6>was like, what, they never actually kissed because I remembered

1143
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.760
<v Speaker 6>them kissing because I saw this scene as as a kiss.

1144
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.320
<v Speaker 6>And also I was like they must have had stuff

1145
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.480
<v Speaker 6>before this that I didn't see because this is where

1146
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.239
<v Speaker 6>I came in the show. So so like I just

1147
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:55.199
<v Speaker 6>remembered that. I in my head, I saw them kiss

1148
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 6>like I remember a kiss. And so when we talked

1149
00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 6>about it, and I was like, they didn't actually ever kiss.

1150
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 6>That's hilarious. But again, like as a progressive woman in

1151
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.960
<v Speaker 6>the nineties, a progressive feminist in the nineties, like I

1152
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.880
<v Speaker 6>heard it and saw it where it was implied and

1153
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 6>I heard it and saw it like knowing it was

1154
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.639
<v Speaker 6>real in a way that they have every reason to

1155
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.400
<v Speaker 6>be like I don't want to project that on the

1156
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 6>nineties or assume like you know, and also protect like

1157
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 6>I do. Think there's a protection, yeah, like they don't

1158
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 6>want to be disappointed that that's not actually what it was.

1159
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I have that protection more now. I didn't

1160
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 1>have it in the nineties, where in the nineties was

1161
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like everything I'm looking looking for gay everywhere and putting

1162
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:41.639
<v Speaker 1>it in, inserting it, whereas now I'm like, if you

1163
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 1>don't tell me their relationship, I don't want it. I

1164
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.679
<v Speaker 1>don't want to have to read between the lines for it,

1165
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.280
<v Speaker 1>like just just fucking make them gay or like that. Yeah, Yeah,

1166
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.360
<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm at at this point in my life.

1167
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.079
<v Speaker 1>It was so obvious to me at the time. Like

1168
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.920
<v Speaker 1>he does say in the Lookers Guide that they didn't

1169
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 1>film a kiss. Yeah, it looks like they did. And

1170
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.039
<v Speaker 1>I know, obviously because he had to answer that question,

1171
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the only one who was like, that's a

1172
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 1>weird cut, Like it really looks like you filmed the kiss.

1173
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:11.639
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And he says it was just a weird bumpy

1174
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:13.639
<v Speaker 6>at it, and I'm like, well, yeah, I mean that's

1175
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.480
<v Speaker 6>not that's not uncommon, especially on a shot like that,

1176
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.280
<v Speaker 6>when you're going to be going, like so this show

1177
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.639
<v Speaker 6>was probably shot. It's called single camera, but you always

1178
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:25.440
<v Speaker 6>run a B camera on a show like this, So

1179
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.000
<v Speaker 6>you have two cameras running simultaneously. The second one is

1180
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 6>just to maybe pick up second angles, but in general

1181
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:33.880
<v Speaker 6>you pick up the other angles on a new take.

1182
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.280
<v Speaker 6>So you have your main camera set like watching from

1183
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.719
<v Speaker 6>behind Talia, and then you know, you come over here

1184
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 6>for this shot. Over here, you might have a B

1185
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.880
<v Speaker 6>camera going that's going to just get something in case

1186
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.119
<v Speaker 6>you need another angle. But you're really counting on those

1187
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 6>A cameras to be your shots, and it is very hard,

1188
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:56.280
<v Speaker 6>especially in an intimate scene like that, to get it

1189
01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:00.119
<v Speaker 6>exactly right, to match it perfectly. And when somebody is

1190
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:01.559
<v Speaker 6>actually in for a case, it's a lot easier to

1191
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 6>fake it because you're just their faces are together and

1192
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 6>they're obscured and it's easier to fake it. Yeah, but

1193
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.280
<v Speaker 6>so I can see that they didn't actually shoot it.

1194
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can see that they didn't, but it's it's like,

1195
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I know why I thought they did, and obviously I

1196
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.559
<v Speaker 1>am not the only person because it does like it's

1197
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a jumpy cut that looks like they cut.

1198
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.880
<v Speaker 6>And we all would have expected the network to say

1199
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 6>no fucking way.

1200
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Yes exactly exactly.

1201
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1202
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other thing though, that we have to talk about,

1203
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's sad.

1204
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 5>Is that no, she doesn't come back, like I know,

1205
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:31.719
<v Speaker 5>and I said it.

1206
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:33.199
<v Speaker 6>I said it in a way that sounds like I

1207
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 6>like did a straight up out lie to them, which

1208
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 6>I wasn't trying to do because I was trying to

1209
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.679
<v Speaker 6>say I don't know. I heard myself say it, and

1210
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:44.440
<v Speaker 6>then I was like, well, I can't fucking backtrack that

1211
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 6>because now then there'll be a dead giveaway that she's

1212
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:48.800
<v Speaker 6>not coming back, right right, because I said whatever it

1213
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.119
<v Speaker 6>was that I said, I was like, yeah, she'll be

1214
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 6>able to come back or something, or like she's like,

1215
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.320
<v Speaker 6>you know, because she's still gonna be yeah, but she doesn't.

1216
01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:56.800
<v Speaker 5>Well.

1217
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Reading the Looker's Guide was very interesting because I like

1218
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 1>just the depth of it. At a certain point, something

1219
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 1>happens in the Lurkers Guide, because prior to that he

1220
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.360
<v Speaker 1>was talking about it like she could come back, and

1221
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 1>bringing up, like they put it explicitly in this episode

1222
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that scene from the previous one where Gosh that because

1223
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.559
<v Speaker 1>I put it in here, I forgot that that was

1224
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:19.599
<v Speaker 1>a flashback in this episode. I always saw that head

1225
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 1>canon that, but no, it's very plain, like this is

1226
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.760
<v Speaker 1>meant to be here to show you that Kosh can

1227
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.400
<v Speaker 1>bring her back, Like that's what that was, because otherwise,

1228
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.360
<v Speaker 1>why show us that scene, Like it doesn't make any

1229
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 1>sense to show it otherwise. And he talks about that

1230
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot in the Lurkers Guide, and then at some

1231
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.679
<v Speaker 1>point and I do I guess, I just yeah, I

1232
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:40.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I want to address it, but I could

1233
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 1>not find the original interview where Andrea Thompson said something.

1234
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:45.639
<v Speaker 5>I tried.

1235
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I could find like people referencing it, but I can't

1236
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:52.960
<v Speaker 1>actually find the real interview. But she said something about

1237
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.800
<v Speaker 1>choosing to leave the show because she was.

1238
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:59.559
<v Speaker 5>Not getting enough enough screen time. She wanted enough screen time.

1239
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I then he felt the need to address that in

1240
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:05.920
<v Speaker 1>The Lurkers Guy, and it became much clearer after that

1241
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 1>point in The Lurkers Guy that she wasn't coming back.

1242
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:14.880
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, I don't know. I want to address

1243
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it in a certain way just because I know people

1244
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.079
<v Speaker 1>have talked about that as if like she betrayed us

1245
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:23.239
<v Speaker 1>or she was I don't know. I've heard people refer

1246
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to it in very dismissive ways, and I just we

1247
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know why.

1248
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.679
<v Speaker 5>Like actors, I think that's the thing that people.

1249
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Forget, and I've become more aware of it, especially paying

1250
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:34.000
<v Speaker 1>attention to the whale of time as I did, but

1251
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.960
<v Speaker 1>through the casting and whatnot. It's their job. It's literally

1252
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:42.960
<v Speaker 1>their job, and if you choose to be an actor actors,

1253
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.119
<v Speaker 1>most people for we have this thing in our mind

1254
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.599
<v Speaker 1>that all actors are like Julia Roberts. They're all rich

1255
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and they're not like most actors are working class and

1256
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 1>they're doing this. We see this, but like Gus and

1257
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Ali and you, like, you do extra work in order

1258
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:59.119
<v Speaker 1>to support this job that you really want to do.

1259
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.360
<v Speaker 5>If you have a job that you really want to do.

1260
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 1>And you get there and they're not letting you do

1261
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the job, You're going to find a job that lets

1262
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:09.599
<v Speaker 1>you do the job. That you are literally sacrificing your

1263
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:10.440
<v Speaker 1>life in order.

1264
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 6>To Tamlin Tomita. And if she had a burgeoning film career,

1265
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.159
<v Speaker 6>if she had other stuff where she was going to

1266
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.239
<v Speaker 6>get to be front center, of course you're going to

1267
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 6>take that because that's going to lead to something else,

1268
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:33.159
<v Speaker 6>even bigger. Exactly, it's the same as Denise Crosby, Like

1269
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:38.079
<v Speaker 6>she was this really cool, badass, short haired character kicking

1270
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:43.639
<v Speaker 6>ass being head of security on TG, and then she

1271
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:46.960
<v Speaker 6>stopped getting used. She just stopt getting used. They kept

1272
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 6>giving Riker opportunities to be super smarmy, and she just

1273
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.480
<v Speaker 6>stood in the background and said yes, Captain, and like

1274
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.000
<v Speaker 6>didn't have anything to do. And it was like, that's

1275
01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.599
<v Speaker 6>super unfulfilling as an actor. And you can be like, well,

1276
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.679
<v Speaker 6>I fucking take your page. I can go home. It's like,

1277
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.039
<v Speaker 6>but no, because I'm not even going to be able

1278
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:07.360
<v Speaker 6>to use this show as a stepping stone exactly because

1279
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:09.719
<v Speaker 6>I don't have I mean so few episodes.

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01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:11.280
<v Speaker 5>That's what it's like.

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01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for the actor playing Warren Keffer, Like

1282
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.960
<v Speaker 1>he's top a show credit, probably getting paid well, but

1283
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he can't use this on his resume and he's locked

1284
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.639
<v Speaker 1>into a show for a year and like he can't

1285
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, people will recognize me from this show

1286
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to help me get other work.

1287
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 5>No, they're not. No, and they're not going to recognize you.

1288
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:31.480
<v Speaker 6>I actually went back. I did this placeis and things

1289
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 6>we're talking about last week. I went back in reference

1290
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:37.880
<v Speaker 6>because SICH has some like the contracts changed dramatically since

1291
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.719
<v Speaker 6>the nineties. So here's the thing, Like when you say

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01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.639
<v Speaker 6>they're not making enough money to make a living, this

1293
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 6>is true. But they were and JMS does says this something.

1294
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:49.400
<v Speaker 6>She had a fifteen She got paid for thirteen episodes.

1295
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 6>So like you can bring in a series regular, they

1296
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:53.320
<v Speaker 6>have to be in at that time, they had to

1297
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:55.559
<v Speaker 6>be in at least half the season. So you had

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01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.679
<v Speaker 6>to guarantee them thirteen episodes. If they weren't physically in them,

1299
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:01.159
<v Speaker 6>you had to pay them. So they were getting paid.

1300
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 6>And at this time, this was not a network show,

1301
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:09.000
<v Speaker 6>so a network show in the in the mid nineties,

1302
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:10.800
<v Speaker 6>And I don't have the exact numbers for the mid nineties,

1303
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.880
<v Speaker 6>but I am guessing that for if you were doing

1304
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 6>a primetime show on either ABC, NBC, or CBS, you

1305
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.199
<v Speaker 6>were getting paid in ninety four I'm going to guess

1306
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:24.480
<v Speaker 6>eighteen thousand dollars an episode as a series regular if

1307
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 6>you were doing a cable show, which this was considered

1308
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.519
<v Speaker 6>network but it was broadcasts, but it wasn't it wasn't

1309
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:35.719
<v Speaker 6>primetime broadcast, it was a secondary channel. They might have

1310
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 6>been making five thousand dollars an episode. I'm not even sure.

1311
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:41.679
<v Speaker 6>It might have been a little bit more then. It

1312
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.199
<v Speaker 6>is less now because of streaming and everything else, like,

1313
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.239
<v Speaker 6>and there's so few things on. I mean, primetime is

1314
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:49.960
<v Speaker 6>still big, but like there's just a few primetime shows,

1315
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.920
<v Speaker 6>and so like I think, I think the oh well no, no, no,

1316
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.079
<v Speaker 6>let's go back to ninety four The Friends. No, it

1317
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:00.639
<v Speaker 6>would have been closer to twenty five because The Friends, right,

1318
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.519
<v Speaker 6>I got twenty five thousand first season per episode, so

1319
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, but that's because it was prime time NBC.

1320
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:08.519
<v Speaker 6>So that's not what she was making on this, yeah, yeah,

1321
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.599
<v Speaker 6>and not what Warren Keffer is making on the show.

1322
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 6>Same thing with him, Like, you know, he could have

1323
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 6>very easily just been like, I need to be moving

1324
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:21.000
<v Speaker 6>my career forward, and we keep saying, where's Talia, Where's Tallia?

1325
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.360
<v Speaker 6>War's Talia? You know, she just hasn't been, and it's

1326
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.440
<v Speaker 6>interesting because it's not the JMS didn't like her, and

1327
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 6>he obviously wrote her to be this really cool character.

1328
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.320
<v Speaker 6>I think he was writing it in a way to say,

1329
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:36.039
<v Speaker 6>I want to make sure nobody sees it yet so.

1330
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:37.400
<v Speaker 5>Well that I can't have.

1331
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 6>Right and I can't have her in every episode or

1332
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:42.760
<v Speaker 6>people will know that she's going to be the sleeper.

1333
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:43.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly.

1334
01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:46.480
<v Speaker 1>And also I think like he had plans for her

1335
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:49.840
<v Speaker 1>later on where she would step forward and be prominent.

1336
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:51.719
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, somebody's drilling above me. I don't know if you

1337
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:52.079
<v Speaker 5>can hear it.

1338
01:07:52.119 --> 01:08:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I can yehning go away recording a podcast. But yeah, that,

1339
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:03.880
<v Speaker 1>like is that thing that Ali says all the time.

1340
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Two things can be true. I think that he is

1341
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.280
<v Speaker 1>writing a story and he knows where it goes, and

1342
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.840
<v Speaker 1>he has a fully the right tell the story that

1343
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:13.920
<v Speaker 1>he wants to tell and to tell it the way

1344
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.479
<v Speaker 1>he wants to tell it, and it's that is his

1345
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:20.199
<v Speaker 1>that is well within his purview. But she as an

1346
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:22.479
<v Speaker 1>actor who has a job, and this is her job

1347
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that she's using to make a living, and she wants

1348
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.159
<v Speaker 1>and like I said, the thing that people forget people

1349
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:30.399
<v Speaker 1>who are choosing to be an actors, they're they're not

1350
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:32.359
<v Speaker 1>getting most of them are getting rich off of it.

1351
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:34.840
<v Speaker 1>So they are choosing to do a job that is

1352
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.039
<v Speaker 1>actually going to get make them less money usually, and

1353
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.159
<v Speaker 1>if it's not fulfilling, it's perfectly within her right to

1354
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.399
<v Speaker 1>be like, I'm sorry, I'm going to go find a

1355
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:47.920
<v Speaker 1>job that actually feels like like it's giving me what

1356
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.399
<v Speaker 1>I want to do from this job. And I don't

1357
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:56.000
<v Speaker 1>begrudge either of them for what happened. And I I

1358
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.039
<v Speaker 1>just I've heard people talk about it in a really

1359
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:03.039
<v Speaker 1>disrespectful and dismissive way, and I I would these are people.

1360
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:06.640
<v Speaker 5>And this is their job, and I want them both

1361
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:06.960
<v Speaker 5>to be.

1362
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.720
<v Speaker 6>Respected and and and JMS is making it up and

1363
01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:16.119
<v Speaker 6>so therefore he can adjust as needed. But also, you know,

1364
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 6>this is coming out of his head. This isn't real life.

1365
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.319
<v Speaker 6>This is what actually happened, you know, I mean, like,

1366
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.399
<v Speaker 6>it's not a real world thing that happened that we're.

1367
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.439
<v Speaker 5>Exactly exactly, yeah, exactly, yeah.

1368
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the things that's hard for him, like,

1369
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, because he is the au tour of this show,

1370
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:34.840
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's kind of hard for him to

1371
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 1>be like to understand that it might not be fulfilling

1372
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:40.439
<v Speaker 1>for an actor because he's like, no, no, no, in

1373
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:41.239
<v Speaker 1>season four, you're.

1374
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.279
<v Speaker 5>Going to have an amazing arc.

1375
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:45.239
<v Speaker 2>A.

1376
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1377
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. And because he's not, he's also not telling them that,

1378
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 5>like he's not telling them what.

1379
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:55.000
<v Speaker 6>Also, like this was this was also a time when

1380
01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:00.840
<v Speaker 6>it's strangely, I mean, we didn't have as much replacing.

1381
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:03.279
<v Speaker 6>I mean you well, I was gonna say there was

1382
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:05.560
<v Speaker 6>a big gap in that. Okay, didn't they replace Darren

1383
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:08.079
<v Speaker 6>in Bewitched or was it?

1384
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:10.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't remember what I think it was.

1385
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 6>Or was it or was it the guy and I

1386
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:15.439
<v Speaker 6>dream of Jeanie? No, because that was JR. That was

1387
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.520
<v Speaker 6>Larry Hagman. I think consistently it was Larry Hagman. But yeah,

1388
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:20.800
<v Speaker 6>I think they replaced Darren and Bewitched. Anyway, there was

1389
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.600
<v Speaker 6>definitely a time when they were like new actor, same human,

1390
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.119
<v Speaker 6>same role, especially because it was a couple and they

1391
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:29.720
<v Speaker 6>were married and like whatever you had to. But this

1392
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.239
<v Speaker 6>was a time when you didn't have the Game of

1393
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 6>Thrones Dario of like you know, now new new Dario

1394
01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.399
<v Speaker 6>this week, and I'm like, he didn't even look like him.

1395
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.720
<v Speaker 6>I'm so confused.

1396
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 1>They did it on soap operas all the time.

1397
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.359
<v Speaker 6>Though that's true soaps, I mean constant soap, but you know,

1398
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:49.560
<v Speaker 6>sometimes they'd have a horrible car accident and a reconstruct

1399
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.840
<v Speaker 6>with surgery, and sometimes there's this new person. Yeah, soaps,

1400
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 6>you had to. But he was not. But JMS did

1401
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.159
<v Speaker 6>not do that. He wasn't like, we'll just recast somebody

1402
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 6>as as Talia. He was like.

1403
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.640
<v Speaker 1>The only person he did that with was Nata and

1404
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that was because of you make up. And then he

1405
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was just but then he was also like, I guess

1406
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work because everybody noticed.

1407
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.399
<v Speaker 5>And then he just didn't ever in the show. I

1408
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.680
<v Speaker 5>think he thought that nobody would notice, and everybody was like,

1409
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.159
<v Speaker 5>uh huh, I know that you're talking about.

1410
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, yeah, I just wanted to address

1411
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:24.399
<v Speaker 1>that just because anyway, but she does not come back,

1412
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and I this is one of the things if we

1413
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about, like people you know, constantly talk about a

1414
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 1>possible reboot and whatever. And I don't know I've ever

1415
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:34.279
<v Speaker 1>said this to you. I know I've said it in

1416
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:39.239
<v Speaker 1>my discord server, but my my dream reboot would not

1417
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:41.920
<v Speaker 1>involve these characters. It would be the same story, but

1418
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.199
<v Speaker 1>different characters. I don't know how to say that properly,

1419
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but because I'm a character person and he's like me

1420
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:50.079
<v Speaker 1>referlon is Dylan, and I don't want to see anybody

1421
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:51.640
<v Speaker 1>else play the lite and I don't want to see

1422
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:54.760
<v Speaker 1>anybody else like so man make other characters. But you

1423
01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:59.359
<v Speaker 1>can tell the same story with the single exception of

1424
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:02.479
<v Speaker 1>Talio tears, because I feel like her story isn't finished. Yes,

1425
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like her coming back. It doesn't have to be Talian Winters,

1426
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I suppose, But the idea, it's the it's the Battlestar

1427
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Galactica of it, of somebody being a trader and not

1428
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.399
<v Speaker 1>knowing and then having to deal with that. That is

1429
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.199
<v Speaker 1>such a rich and deep story that doesn't get told.

1430
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.000
<v Speaker 1>And I yeah, and I mean obviously the girl kissing.

1431
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:27.159
<v Speaker 1>I lesbian nerdy. Obviously I want more girl kissing in

1432
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:29.399
<v Speaker 1>the show in a reboot, and then my dream reboot

1433
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.399
<v Speaker 1>that happens one day possibly whatever.

1434
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:33.800
<v Speaker 5>I want the girl kissing.

1435
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.640
<v Speaker 1>But weirdly enough, people always think that's gonna be my priority,

1436
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:39.159
<v Speaker 1>and it usually is, like on the list, but it's

1437
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:40.319
<v Speaker 1>usually that the top of the list.

1438
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:41.720
<v Speaker 5>The top of the list is I want to see

1439
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.199
<v Speaker 5>Talia explore that story.

1440
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.319
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's interesting because I have. I'm a little worried

1441
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.920
<v Speaker 6>because Sally and Gus. Gus has seen all of BSG

1442
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:49.600
<v Speaker 6>and Ali has seen some of it. But I'm a

1443
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:51.800
<v Speaker 6>little bit worried because I know Ali doesn't know who

1444
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:55.079
<v Speaker 6>all the Cylons are, right right, I'm a little worried

1445
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:57.239
<v Speaker 6>that Gus, that they're going to expect. I mean, this

1446
01:12:57.279 --> 01:12:58.960
<v Speaker 6>is what's funny. When you were asking me, should we

1447
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:00.159
<v Speaker 6>tell them? I wondered if you were going to say,

1448
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:01.960
<v Speaker 6>she would tell them she doesn't come back, and it's

1449
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:04.680
<v Speaker 6>too early to do that, but there is a little

1450
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:07.119
<v Speaker 6>bit of that. I think it's done so well in

1451
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.760
<v Speaker 6>BSG because when those sleeper agents wake up and they

1452
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.920
<v Speaker 6>know that they're a Sleeper agent, they're devastated because they

1453
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:18.560
<v Speaker 6>have not lost their real personality who hated Cylons and

1454
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.600
<v Speaker 6>so now they're like, I hate who I am. And

1455
01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:27.960
<v Speaker 6>it's a really beautiful character story to watch. But Talia,

1456
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:32.039
<v Speaker 6>it's interesting, and I wonder if his decision, knowing she

1457
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:36.359
<v Speaker 6>was leaving the show to have it switch off completely,

1458
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:39.279
<v Speaker 6>he came out of that, because if he had, it

1459
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:42.479
<v Speaker 6>seems like JMS would be like, once she knows that

1460
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.720
<v Speaker 6>she's a sleeper, how does she wrestle with that and

1461
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.840
<v Speaker 6>his decision to have it be like a complete switch.

1462
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:50.960
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, it might have been his decision from

1463
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:52.760
<v Speaker 6>the very beginning. I just think that there's a lot

1464
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:58.199
<v Speaker 6>of interesting story to tell if they if they retain both, Yeah.

1465
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:01.159
<v Speaker 5>Well, I because that would be It's deep to me.

1466
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.479
<v Speaker 1>And I think the idea of bringing whatever it is

1467
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that Cash gone on that Crystal would bring enough of

1468
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a person out in my in my dream this is

1469
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:12.800
<v Speaker 1>just me making shit up, but in my dream scenario,

1470
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 1>that would bring that in of her being like, oh

1471
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I got used by cycles and right after like I'm

1472
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:22.319
<v Speaker 1>starting to deconstruct that, right opinions.

1473
01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:24.960
<v Speaker 6>Aren't a waste of her, like her awakening last month,

1474
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.560
<v Speaker 6>you know. And I'm like, but but she just came

1475
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.479
<v Speaker 6>to see that they're being like give her a chance

1476
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.680
<v Speaker 6>to live in that space, I know, and the double

1477
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.720
<v Speaker 6>personality thing. Interestingly enough, so you know, I've I have

1478
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.640
<v Speaker 6>been up and down a little hot and cold and

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<v Speaker 6>conflicted as Starfleet Academy. I don't think I've said that

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<v Speaker 6>on the podcast I've talked I told you about it person,

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<v Speaker 6>because I didn't. I think I'm always I'm always I

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01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:48.640
<v Speaker 6>did say that about I get that how I hated

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<v Speaker 6>I get at the beginning. Obviously, I think it's like

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<v Speaker 6>the most perfect show ever made. Now, so I realized

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01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:55.960
<v Speaker 6>that often I'm like, it takes me some time to

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01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 6>warm up, and I'm always like wanting to give a

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01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:59.319
<v Speaker 6>show the benefit of the doubt and stick with it,

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01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.159
<v Speaker 6>like through something. And so I had some a little

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01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.199
<v Speaker 6>couple of rough starts with Start Starfleet Academy. Watched the

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01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:07.000
<v Speaker 6>second to last episode last night. Was really hoping I

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01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:08.560
<v Speaker 6>was going to get into the lottery to go see

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01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:13.079
<v Speaker 6>the entire cast there this week. I think it's supposed

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01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.239
<v Speaker 6>to be tomorrow night, but I did not make it

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01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:17.479
<v Speaker 6>in the lottery might have been tonight. I'm really sad

1495
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:21.680
<v Speaker 6>I didn't get to go. But but uh, last night's episode,

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01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.520
<v Speaker 6>which was directed by Jonathan Fraakes, who came in and

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01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:30.359
<v Speaker 6>like directed a really fucking awesome episode, deals with some

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01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:33.760
<v Speaker 6>like double personality and a character who like has has

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01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:38.600
<v Speaker 6>a personality basically has a restart of her personality and

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01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.239
<v Speaker 6>but has both now and has memories from both. And

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01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:43.720
<v Speaker 6>I thought they handled it really really beautifully in that

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01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:46.960
<v Speaker 6>particular episode. And then we'll see there's one more, so

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01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:48.079
<v Speaker 6>we'll see if tickets stress.

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<v Speaker 5>I have not watched that.

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01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's not as I'm not spoiling

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01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:55.880
<v Speaker 6>anything because I'm not telling you who or why or how.

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01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:58.479
<v Speaker 5>Okay, Okay, I have no idea.

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01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:06.319
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's It's the one storyline in this show

1509
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.439
<v Speaker 1>that feels well, there might be more, but that's the

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01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:10.800
<v Speaker 1>one that I think of when I think of it's

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01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the it's the itch. It's the one itch that isn't scratched.

1512
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.359
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, yeah, this could have been, could have been.

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01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:18.800
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I want to. I want to. I'm down.

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01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:23.079
<v Speaker 6>We'll we'll create the the reboot, whether it's a future reboot,

1515
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.520
<v Speaker 6>and it's Talia come back to like wrestle with those

1516
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:27.920
<v Speaker 6>demons because they've been able to like undo it. I

1517
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:29.000
<v Speaker 6>don't know, I'm excited.

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01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, Bester could be bullshitting, but Bester does

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01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.760
<v Speaker 1>say that they killed her later, he could be bull shitting.

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01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:42.479
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a People get all up in arms

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01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:44.680
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about a reboot. But I just I

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01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.680
<v Speaker 1>think you can do it without these characters because I

1523
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:47.520
<v Speaker 1>don't want to see them.

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01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:47.960
<v Speaker 5>I will.

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01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.079
<v Speaker 6>I agree. I mean, although I mean to say that

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01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:52.920
<v Speaker 6>that's I agree with you and I was not a

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01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:57.199
<v Speaker 6>huge huge I'm looking for him. I don't know where

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01:16:57.199 --> 01:16:59.600
<v Speaker 6>it is. I was not a huge Like I didn't

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01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:04.880
<v Speaker 6>watch the nineteen seventy the seventy eight Battlestar because I

1530
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:09.159
<v Speaker 6>watched it. I knew it. I knew it well, I mean,

1531
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:11.520
<v Speaker 6>I knew it, but it was like not Star Wars.

1532
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.600
<v Speaker 6>To me. I was like so obsessed with stars, not

1533
01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:17.199
<v Speaker 6>Star Wars. And I think I may have told you,

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01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.479
<v Speaker 6>my my, my Millennium Falcon's right here, my my NAC

1535
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:23.520
<v Speaker 6>gave me Millennium Falcon, but they gave me Battlestar Galactica

1536
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:29.600
<v Speaker 6>figures to go with it. They pissed off. They didn't

1537
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.199
<v Speaker 6>know any they didn't know any better, and I love

1538
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:33.079
<v Speaker 6>them so much, and it.

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01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:34.680
<v Speaker 5>Is I would have been the same as a child.

1540
01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.479
<v Speaker 5>I would have been like, fucking right, what.

1541
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.439
<v Speaker 6>It was like. My most one of my most treasured

1542
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:42.359
<v Speaker 6>things that I own is my original Empire strikes Back

1543
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:46.439
<v Speaker 6>Battlestar Millennium Falcon. And I love telling the story that

1544
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:49.159
<v Speaker 6>I got Battlestar Galactica figures with it. I got yeah, anyway,

1545
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:53.600
<v Speaker 6>Adama a Dama and the Little Red Guy. Anyway. That said,

1546
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.199
<v Speaker 6>I loved the choice of rebooting it with Boomer as

1547
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:00.079
<v Speaker 6>a girl, Starbuck as a woman, like you know, I

1548
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.680
<v Speaker 6>mean like it's just like the really some really amazing

1549
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:04.960
<v Speaker 6>choices that they did with the reboot that made.

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01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:07.439
<v Speaker 5>It like the original.

1551
01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:11.520
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, yeah, I mean you know, and I'm like, yeah,

1552
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:15.239
<v Speaker 6>so anyway, and I'm a huge Haatch fan, so like

1553
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:17.319
<v Speaker 6>bringing him back in the show but as a different

1554
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.000
<v Speaker 6>character that was also really wonderful. So maybe they bring

1555
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:22.479
<v Speaker 6>Andrea back as a different character.

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01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:26.319
<v Speaker 5>That could work. I still want that story told. I

1557
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:26.880
<v Speaker 5>want the story.

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01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:29.319
<v Speaker 6>Oh, they they bring back both her and Claudia Christian

1559
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.640
<v Speaker 6>and they actually kissed. But they're not those characters that.

1560
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:34.760
<v Speaker 5>Could be other people too. Yes that's true.

1561
01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:37.239
<v Speaker 6>Who they are?

1562
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.680
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, Okay.

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01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't uh let's see. I had notes, but I

1564
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:50.279
<v Speaker 1>think they were just all about other lesbians. Yeah no, no,

1565
01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:56.479
<v Speaker 1>like I had the d S nine Eric, Yes I didn't.

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01:18:56.600 --> 01:18:59.279
<v Speaker 5>I didn't put Buffy but Buffy is much later. Yeah.

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01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.520
<v Speaker 5>Oh I had one other note. Just that's some tiniest

1568
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:03.159
<v Speaker 5>little note.

1569
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>But when Lida called this is we could have said

1570
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:08.119
<v Speaker 1>this in front of them because it's not that important.

1571
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:11.319
<v Speaker 1>But when Lida calls the len the len Is recording

1572
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>like or sending a message about meetings with the Loumati.

1573
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.920
<v Speaker 1>The Lumati were the species that did the weird sex

1574
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:19.640
<v Speaker 1>thing with a vamp.

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01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:27.239
<v Speaker 6>Anyway, I love it, love it, Yes, love it.

1576
01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:29.520
<v Speaker 5>I don't think she was setting.

1577
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I think she was like, we will maybe revisit something

1578
01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:33.760
<v Speaker 1>about negotiating or something like that.

1579
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 5>It was we know that species, so love it. I

1580
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:40.920
<v Speaker 5>think that's I think that's it. This has been a

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01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 5>long one.

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01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:46.039
<v Speaker 6>Sorry, Yeah, we all had a lot of well.

1583
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:47.520
<v Speaker 5>Did I felt bad steering them into us.

1584
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:49.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like we just finished if I did loyalties and

1585
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:51.159
<v Speaker 1>they still didn't cotton on to the fact that.

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01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:54.560
<v Speaker 6>They I think we've been I've been like since the

1587
01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 6>very first episode. I've just been like, I mean the

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01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:01.600
<v Speaker 6>first episode with Talia and of and there is Clow

1589
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:05.039
<v Speaker 6>and I was like, yeah, obvious, obvious.

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01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Well I'm going to put you all to anybody listening

1591
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.199
<v Speaker 1>to this, to my friend body his YouTube channel, just

1592
01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:14.560
<v Speaker 1>some body's opinion or some bod I is how he

1593
01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.359
<v Speaker 1>spelled his name. He after he watched the after he

1594
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.039
<v Speaker 1>watched that episode, sent me a DM that said, so

1595
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Evanova and Blonde later are going to lesbian it up?

1596
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:24.439
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1597
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:26.560
<v Speaker 5>I was like, what.

1598
01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to spoil him, so I just said

1599
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:31.800
<v Speaker 1>something to the effective, you know better than to ask

1600
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:32.760
<v Speaker 1>me for spoilers, and he.

1601
01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:34.039
<v Speaker 5>Was like, oh my god, they are.

1602
01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:42.840
<v Speaker 9>But hilarious YouTube channel because he's doing reactions of the show,

1603
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:46.600
<v Speaker 9>and yeah, check that out, but don't tell him, don't

1604
01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:48.560
<v Speaker 9>spoil him because he's he's still.

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01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:49.119
<v Speaker 5>On season right.

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01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:54.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but yeah, I think we can end this

1607
01:20:54.560 --> 01:21:00.359
<v Speaker 1>chaotic I'm there and uh, yeah, So if you like

1608
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>this reaction, you can always or this podcast, I should say,

1609
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you can check out the reaction. It's up on YouTube,

1610
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.439
<v Speaker 1>and if you want to see the full unedited version

1611
01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of the reaction, you can always check out our patreon.

1612
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:11.600
<v Speaker 5>And on Patreon you get early access.

1613
01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:15.159
<v Speaker 1>You get occasionally like a little behind the scene stuff

1614
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:17.479
<v Speaker 1>because we sometimes record before we record.

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<v Speaker 5>Does that make sense? I don't know if that makes

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01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:20.840
<v Speaker 5>sense sense to me. See what I mean?

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01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:24.279
<v Speaker 1>You join our Patreon and there's also a secret, super

1618
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.640
<v Speaker 1>secret channel in discord that you can join, and we

1619
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:31.439
<v Speaker 1>have super secret conversations and so don't tell anybody about it.

1620
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:36.319
<v Speaker 1>And then also what else I can't remember early access

1621
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:38.840
<v Speaker 1>on at free versions of this podcast do it all?

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01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:39.600
<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>And uh, yeah, like and subscribe, rate and review and

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<v Speaker 5>babble on