WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.040 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.400 With Cliff and Bobo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.279 These guys are your favorites, so like to say subscribe 4 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:19.879 and rade it five star s and grates on Yesterday 5 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:26.719 and listening a watch lim always keep its watching. And 6 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.839 now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello everybody, 7 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:34.359 and welcome to Bigfo and Beyond. We're back, all of 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:35.880 us on this side of the microphone and all of 9 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:38.240 you on that side of your speakers. Usually at this 10 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.960 point Bobo and I catch up. I think we should 11 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.520 probably forgo that just to maximize our time with our guests. 12 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.880 One of our favorite favorite guests ever, Bobo, you want 13 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:48.560 to introduce him. 14 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:54.399 Sure do the one, the only, magnificent, supendous, awesome, not moneymaker. 15 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.799 Welcome back, Matt, Like this is I think the quickest 16 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:59.880 time we've done the turnaround with the same. 17 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:00.280 Yes. 18 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:01.679 I mean, we were just on a few months ago 19 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:03.560 with you, and we're so pleased you can come back. 20 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:05.840 As far as I'm concerned, you can be on every month. 21 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:07.560 I love having the air well. 22 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.480 I have an interesting podcast story I was I usually 23 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.519 don't do podcasts, you guys, as one of the few 24 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:16.959 that I do but I did one upon the encouragement 25 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.799 of Caroline, who's the secretary for the BFR. She said, oh, 26 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:21.640 you got to do this one. This guy's pretty major 27 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.879 and he's got one of the biggest podcasts about ghosts, 28 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.480 and so I thought, oh, interesting, because I want to, 29 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:30.920 you know, talk to a ghost expert, asks them some 30 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:35.239 things about orbs because of the you know, the the 31 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.120 incidents that happened on a BFR expedition in the Sierras, 32 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.599 just like a couple of months ago. So after I 33 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.560 got on the podcast, the guy's saying he's thrilled to 34 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.200 talk to me, and he goes, this is the first 35 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.280 podcast of his show where they don't have to talk 36 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.200 about ghosts at all. They can talk about something completely different. 37 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:53.879 And I was like, oh damn, because I wanted to 38 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:58.239 ask you about ghost stuff. And then he's like, oh, okay, 39 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:00.239 all right, well you get asked me some stuff. And 40 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:04.120 I was asking him, telling him about the orb activity, 41 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.599 the ORB things that people observed on one of the 42 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.199 last bfroro trips in the Sierras, and he was saying, yeah, 43 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.400 some of that stuff sounds similar to what people have seen. 44 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:21.719 He hadn't seen orbs himself. But he says that is 45 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:26.039 occasionally part of what goes on in these haunted places. 46 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.840 And of course he had to bring up something that like, 47 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:33.759 if you were to talk about orbs and as because 48 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:38.400 I've done this myself on Reddit, you'll have like just 49 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.000 a parade of these know it alls who want to 50 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.439 jump up and say, oh, that's just an illusion created 51 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.319 by dust in front of the lens creating a refraction. 52 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:51.400 Da da da dah. And these just these dimwits don't realize, 53 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.800 you know, I have to correct them and say, no, no, 54 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.080 this isn't created by dust in front of the lens. 55 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.759 That's only if you're looking. You've seeing these things in 56 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.879 photographs or in videos. But people are seeing these balls 57 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.919 of light directly with their own eyes, so it's not 58 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:11.919 an illusion created by dust in front of a freaking lens. 59 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.560 There is no lens when people are seeing these, uh, 60 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.680 and so he but but then we talked about it 61 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:24.759 and yeah, it's it's fascinating and it's something that that 62 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.680 I know, I mean, I know you guys have seen, 63 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:31.120 have have dealt with orbs, seen orbs in the past, you. 64 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:33.360 Know, honestly, I never have, I never have. 65 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:33.919 Bubbo. 66 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:35.120 I think has, but I never have. 67 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.080 I remember you talking about, ohbas up on the go 68 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.400 road or or was that up there? 69 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.000 Yeah, I've seen them up there one time. Then I've 70 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.319 seen that weird flashing. It was like when I was 71 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.199 with Cliff up in the tree tops, like seventy feet 72 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.680 up there was like a like a twenty or thirty 73 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:56.639 foot like square like box, like like it looked like 74 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.280 like the trees lit up all over like at the 75 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.400 same time. Like it was just like five flash, five 76 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.039 fast flashes in like less than two seconds, for like 77 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.599 or maybe three seconds. It was like just a burst 78 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:10.360 of flashes, but there was no like source of light. 79 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.639 It just was all over. And then saw that blue 80 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.879 like basketball sized door, which Charlie Thoms the Medison man, 81 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.040 said that that was the spirit of Bigfoot shoving as 82 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.000 a blue ball light. And then when we were filming 83 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.839 the show, we saw him in Oregon in the Klamate 84 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.120 tribe up there. Renee and I and Hammel and Dana, 85 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.160 we all gramps, we all saw it. 86 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:32.759 Well. 87 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:34.959 I remember one time we were in British Columbia, Matt, 88 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.680 you were there too, that Bobo and Cindy Doson when 89 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.279 walking I think on that elevated railroad track and BC 90 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.480 somewhere you saw him there too, Bobo. I remember radioing 91 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:45.240 them in because you thought it was us with the 92 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.639 headlight and we're all like looking at each other saying, dude, 93 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:48.560 that's not us. 94 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.279 Yeah, that one bounced. It was like just bouncing. Well, 95 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.759 we thought it was weird because it was it looked 96 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:55.720 like a headlamp and it was all around you guys's camp, 97 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:57.639 and we're like, God, what's Cliff looking for because it 98 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.279 was like went down below like looked like below waly seat, 99 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.000 and then it went around and it went up over 100 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:03.879 like and then I was like, that thing's pretty. He 101 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:05.480 must be climbing up on top of the wall's van, 102 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:07.040 because while I had that van with the ladder on 103 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:09.439 the back, I thought we must have climbed up the ladder. 104 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.800 And then we were watching you walk down that path 105 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.160 we came on and then the path bent to the 106 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.000 left and you kept going straight and like we'd done 107 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.399 that because it was an old path that was the 108 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.560 wrong one, but we've done the same thing. We watched 109 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.680 in all these like just BlackBerry bushes and thickets and thorns, 110 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.480 and we get we like it was tearing up our 111 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.040 ring gear, and so we backed out and then we 112 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.079 took the correct and we ended up a couple hundred 113 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.319 hours up. We were a few hundred yards from you guys, 114 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.160 and we were watching it. I remember reading going, all right, Cliff, 115 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:41.240 just keep coming that way. Okay, Oh, you're going the 116 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:43.000 wrong way. You're in the thickets. Now you're gonna get 117 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.519 torn up. And then you like had even left camp yet. 118 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.720 Yeah, so stuff like that has happened, uh, not just 119 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.519 on the West coast, but like when I started talking 120 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.439 about it with the group, I had other people pointing out, like, yeah, 121 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:01.519 they've seen these in Wisconsin and few other Midwest states 122 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.920 and where else was it? I think in Iowa on 123 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:11.560 one of the Iowa expeditions. And they're most often, well 124 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.360 I shouldn't say most often. I mean they'll see them 125 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:18.920 like something like the size of somewhere between a baseball 126 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:23.279 and a golf ball, somewhere in that size range, or yeah, baseball, 127 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.879 golf ball somewhere around there, just kind of bobbing around 128 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:31.519 among very often, like around the tree tops and moving 129 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.680 down and kind of swooping down and moving around. And 130 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.839 the way that describing it is I almost imagine kind 131 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.519 of a bug just kind of floating around and going 132 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.480 all over the place. And then there's the ones that 133 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.199 they'll see kind of holding still near the ground, and 134 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.160 those are the ones that will be kind of different colors. 135 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.319 But what was interesting in the last Sierra's trip was 136 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.319 they said there was bigfoots up there and they saw 137 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.519 the glowing eyes and then they saw these orbs, and 138 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.360 they said they were very distinct in what the two 139 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.680 different things looked like, because the glowing eyes are very dim, 140 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.639 but these orbs were brighter. And at one point Josh 141 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.639 Grohlman and a couple of other people were looking like 142 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.319 because they it was on a road and there was 143 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:21.399 two or three people with firms looking at this thing, 144 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:26.079 and it would have been about fifty yards away, clearly 145 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.600 on the road, and there was no heat signatures there 146 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.680 at all, so even the ball of light did not 147 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:37.439 emit any heat. It was like a cool ball of light, 148 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.519 and it was like moving back and forth. And then 149 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.959 he said what Drollman said tripped about that it started 150 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:47.920 kind of pulsating, slowly pulsating, getting brighter and dimmer and 151 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.439 brighter and dimmer, And of course that's not something a 152 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.199 headlamp can do. Because when you hear the story, you think, oh, 153 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.040 it might've been somebody with a headlamp down the road. 154 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.279 Well that was the first thing that jumped to their 155 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.879 mind when they first saw it, and they started radioing 156 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.720 and finding out where people were, and nobody was anywhere 157 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.079 near it. And then they're looking through their therms and 158 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.120 there's like, there's no living thing over there, there's not 159 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.839 any hot object. And it was just that so many, 160 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.600 so many different people on that trip, including people who 161 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.399 had formerly thought there was nothing to the ORB thing, 162 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.680 they got to see them and were highly impressed. And 163 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.800 this was, you know, the second not you know, this 164 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.279 was not the first place. I mean, there's been another 165 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.240 place in this year we thought was like orb City 166 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.080 up in Stanislas National Forest. But this new place, it 167 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.360 was like two counties away in the series where there 168 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.159 was just as much ORB action again in the same woods. 169 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.639 And people have asked, they say, well, when you're saying 170 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.120 there can that they seem to be connected with bigfoots, 171 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.320 like are they seeing orbs and bigfoots at the same time? 172 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.440 And I always have to clarify It's like, no, they're not. 173 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.559 It's not like they're seeing a bigfoot and then an 174 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.000 orb following it or vice versa. They're just seeing orbs 175 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:12.600 in the woods where they also see bigfoots, and the 176 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.639 orbs will be sometimes down in the ground, and sometimes 177 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.000 they go they go up above the trees and kind 178 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.440 of arc above the trees, do a big arc and 179 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:25.799 come down and they're they're definitely not fireflies, uh. And 180 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.960 most often the color they're the two most frequent colors 181 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.399 are kind of like a whitish bluish or bluish white. 182 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.799 And then they'll see red ones like kind of closer 183 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:40.639 to the ground. Sometimes they'll see more than one at 184 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.600 a time, and most often they're seeing just one. And 185 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:49.120 if there's a behavioral thing that you can deduce from it, 186 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.879 at least from what people have described in both places. 187 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:57.159 But the behavior because well, the bigfoots like as soon 188 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.320 as like they're in they're usually people just spot them 189 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.240 kind of looking around, looking in their direction and then 190 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.039 turning around and leaving. Like the bigfoots like get out 191 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.120 of the way and try to stay out of you, 192 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:12.120 even in total darkness. They're trying. It's as if they 193 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:14.159 think they can maybe still be spotted. They'll go out 194 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.440 of the way, and it's almost as if the orbs 195 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:23.799 do not feel The Bigfoots feel vulnerable, but the orbs 196 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:28.360 do not. So the orbs are showing themselves kind of 197 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.120 like not worried that they're going to get gunned down. 198 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.080 But the Bigfoots are always behaving as though they as 199 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:39.480 if they think they could be shot at and they 200 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.480 are vulnerable. So if you had to speculate, like what 201 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.200 is the relationship between these balls of light and the bigfoots, 202 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.200 if there is one, it could be simply that the 203 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.919 balls of light are because they seem to have I mean, 204 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:57.799 that was one thing in the last trip. They said, Yeah, 205 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.840 these things are moving around with a purpose. They they're 206 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.919 not just kind of random little balls of energy flying around. 207 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.240 They're moving around with a purpose. It's almost like they're 208 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:12.159 trying to attract the attention of these intruding humans and 209 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.399 almost like showing themselves to see what the humans are 210 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:19.320 gonna do. Oh and here another interesting thing. As soon 211 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.360 as the people would turn on one of their own lights, 212 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:25.159 like even a little light, the orbs would turn off. 213 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.600 The orbs would go black, So they would only be 214 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.120 on when the people had no lights on, and they 215 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.080 would they would go out when the lights would people 216 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.399 would have like turn on a headlamp or something like that, 217 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:41.399 like or any color. So anyway, I find that I 218 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.759 find it very fascinating. It's a whole new wrinkle, uh 219 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.159 to this whole thing, but one we've we've been hearing 220 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.120 about here and there for a long time now. 221 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.960 If there is a direct connection, like if one like say, 222 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.919 bigfoots are responsible for the presence of orbs, could we 223 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.000 do an experiment like say with the with flats and 224 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.840 and look at all the places where sasquatches have been 225 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.759 seen credibly and predict that there should be ORB sightings 226 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.159 in all of those places. 227 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.360 Well you could, But I mean I've been paying attention 228 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.879 to stuff coming into the flats for years and years now, 229 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.360 and I know that it's still very rare for people 230 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.559 to report orbs. I mean it's literally like it's more 231 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.440 I'm hearing about it more from people who go on 232 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:35.120 expeditions than straight up witnesses. And that maybe because the 233 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:40.279 people who just see orbs and don't have an inkling 234 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.960 that there's bigfoot activity in the same woods, or maybe 235 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.240 hear sounds but don't associate with bigfoots. The people seeing 236 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.759 orbs with no bigfoots are not going to report those 237 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.320 sidings to a bigfoot group because why would they, Why 238 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.440 would they have any reasons to think that there is 239 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:59.159 a connection. So that's one of the things people aren't 240 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.080 like seeing the orbs like bobbing around on the shoulder 241 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.840 of a big foot that's going down the road. But 242 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.879 on occasion it'll be a bigfoot report and the people say, oh, 243 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.399 by the way, we also saw these weird little lights 244 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.320 kind of bobbing through the trees at the same time. 245 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:20.320 And again it's like I could maybe I could think 246 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.039 of maybe a dozen of those over the years. It's 247 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.799 not very common, and and that's about the frequency of 248 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.440 It's also been on about a dozen BFRO expeditions where 249 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.440 people have noted orbs, And of course I don't take it, 250 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.519 you wouldn't take it seriously unless it's multiple people on 251 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.600 the trip saying they saw them as well. 252 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.919 Yeah, sure, because there are insects and things like that 253 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:48.799 that have biluminescence in them. I've seen those in the 254 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.480 different Pinchot National Forest, but they're very, very faint, and 255 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:54.679 they certainly are not what you're describing. 256 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.480 Yeah, they're not like baseball sized balls of light that 257 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.759 are kind of that are kind of floating around. But 258 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.639 it's one of the interesting exciting things about about this 259 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.279 whole subject in that there's a lot of unknowns here. 260 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:12.879 There's a lot of things that we don't understand, and 261 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.080 of course people can speculate as soon as I you know, 262 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:17.759 when I was on the Facebook group, as soon as 263 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.480 I brought up orbs, there was at least I remember 264 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.399 one guy, and I'm thinking there's probably other people who 265 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.080 think that immediately jumped to see I told you they 266 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.320 were paranormal beings and dah dah, da da da. Just 267 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.519 you know, I had to point out that, you know, 268 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.879 just because there's a paranormal thing in your vicinity like 269 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:39.279 an ORB, doesn't mean that you are a paranormal entity yourself. 270 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:44.080 And one does not follow the other. It could be 271 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.080 that these things are just in the same vicinity hanging around. 272 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.960 Who knows. Maybe they're they're the spirits of deceased Bigfoots. 273 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.799 I mean, who knows. But it doesn't automatically follow that 274 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.159 that that that Bigfoots are not flesh and blood beings 275 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.480 just because herbs are seen in their vicinity. 276 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.279 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 277 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:14.559 Bobo will be right back after these messages. 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You know, we have an 315 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.960 organizer back east who doesn't even want people talking about 316 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:21.240 it on his expeditions any kind of like paranormalist stuff 317 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.640 because he thinks it's too woo And you know, I 318 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.240 told him, I said, listen, you know, just because it 319 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.839 sounds wo or unusual. If people are observing this stuff, 320 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.119 then we should talk about it, you know, we should 321 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:36.680 we should find out how many other people are seeing it, 322 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.160 because that's that's that mentality of well, it sounds kind 323 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.519 of crazy, so we shouldn't bring it up. That's what 324 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.480 kind of kept bigfoot research down for so many decades 325 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.799 because it sounded so folklore is to see these hairy 326 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.880 monsters that people were discouraged from talking about it. And 327 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:58.480 so it's like, now, no, if you see something weird, 328 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:01.640 if you see something, say something. But yeah, if you 329 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.000 see something weird on the drip, we want people to 330 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:11.559 tell us what they observed. And that's kind of important. 331 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.559 And you have personally observed these things, I know because 332 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.799 you told me about them one time. Can you describe 333 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:17.920 what you observed directly? 334 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.359 I was in the Sierras and I saw a very 335 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.200 big one, I mean up on the side what I 336 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.200 thought was moving along a trail, and I later in 337 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:31.039 the morning, when the sun came up, I realized it 338 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.599 was along the face of a big cliff where there 339 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:38.160 was no trail, and it looked like At first I 340 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.920 thought it was somebody carrying a lantern, like a flame lantern, 341 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.400 because it was kind of this flickering light. And I 342 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.039 watched a little further and I realized it was kind 343 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:52.279 of like a ball, like the shape, you know what 344 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.440 would have had to have been like the size of 345 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.880 a beach ball, and orange and kind of flickering, and 346 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:06.000 then it changed size, like it got smaller, and then 347 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.440 finally it just kind of fizzled out and disappeared. So 348 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:15.039 and that's consistent with what is called earthquake lights, which 349 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.559 if you look those up online you actually see photos 350 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.839 of them, these kind of orange balls of light that 351 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:26.200 are some like between basketball and beach ball size, and 352 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.960 they're called earthquake lights because they've been associated as being 353 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:35.599 seen just before earthquakes or just when there's unusual seismic activity, 354 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:39.000 but also in areas where there is no seismic activity, 355 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:45.839 like over peat bogs in Ireland. And it's this flickering 356 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:50.599 kind of round light which seen over these peat bogs 357 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:54.200 in Ireland, which gives rise to what we call the 358 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:57.839 jack O lantern, which is it's funny because you put 359 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.440 a candle inside a car out pumpkin and it creates 360 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:08.200 this kind of round globe flickering light that is very 361 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:13.599 similar in appearance. So yeah, jack O lanterns are based 362 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:18.480 on these orbs, those kind of orbs, But so anyway, 363 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.359 that was up in the Sierras, and it was in 364 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.279 the same general area of where these other kind of 365 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:28.920 orbs are seen that are closer to the ground, that 366 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.319 move with intention and can do like what Bubba described, 367 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.519 which is like it totally like all of a sudden, 368 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.160 everything around you is lit up for a few seconds, 369 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.799 but before you can even see where the source of 370 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.920 the light is coming from, the light just turns off. 371 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.400 But like suddenly you'll go from being totally dark to 372 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.519 like it's as bright as day all around you for 373 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.319 a few seconds, and like you're looking out of your 374 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.880 tent and you're thinking, you know, know what it is like 375 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.920 something with a huge light above you, But then you 376 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.559 look out and there's nothing out there. So there's that 377 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:08.480 type and then like actual orbs like bobbing around above 378 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:12.599 the trees, and what we heard. We have a really 379 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:16.640 good contact up there who works for forestry in the 380 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:20.279 fire division, because it's like when you're up in a 381 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:22.720 lot of parts of California in the National Forest, you're 382 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:28.640 seeing more fire suppression related personnal than you're seeing actual rangers. 383 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.359 And one of those guys comes like whenever there's some 384 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.319 bigfooters up in this particular area, he'll come around to 385 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:40.079 talk to them. And he's relayed how he has had 386 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.599 other campers approach him telling him about the orbs that 387 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:49.559 they saw, so which was fascinating to hear that that, like, 388 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:52.160 it's not just us, it's not just our people seeing 389 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:52.839 these things. 390 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.799 Yeah, it shouldn't be just you. If it's a real phenomenon. 391 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:57.759 More people should be reporting these things, right. 392 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.400 Right, So it was gratifying to hear that people were 393 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.759 reporting it to him. But it's kind of one of 394 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:06.519 those things that you know, like with bigfoot, I mean, 395 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:09.200 I don't know how much of it, you know, bigfoot 396 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.440 would still be just kind of a rumored thing. It 397 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:16.480 might still be just a rumored thing had the Patterson 398 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:20.920 footage not come around. It was that visual that kind 399 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:27.359 of anchored people's conception of what a bigfoot is. And 400 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:30.079 and so that may be kind of where we're at 401 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:35.480