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Speaker 1: now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Bigfo and Beyond. We're back, all of
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Speaker 1: One of our favorite favorite guests ever, Bobo, you want
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Matt, Like this is I think the quickest
Speaker 1: time we've done the turnaround with the same.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were just on a few months ago
Speaker 1: with you, and we're so pleased you can come back.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, you can be on every month.
Speaker 1: I love having the air well.
Speaker 2: I have an interesting podcast story I was I usually
Speaker 2: don't do podcasts, you guys, as one of the few
Speaker 2: that I do but I did one upon the encouragement
Speaker 2: of Caroline, who's the secretary for the BFR. She said, oh,
Speaker 2: you got to do this one. This guy's pretty major
Speaker 2: and he's got one of the biggest podcasts about ghosts,
Speaker 2: and so I thought, oh, interesting, because I want to,
Speaker 2: you know, talk to a ghost expert, asks them some
Speaker 2: things about orbs because of the you know, the the
Speaker 2: incidents that happened on a BFR expedition in the Sierras,
Speaker 2: just like a couple of months ago. So after I
Speaker 2: got on the podcast, the guy's saying he's thrilled to
Speaker 2: talk to me, and he goes, this is the first
Speaker 2: podcast of his show where they don't have to talk
Speaker 2: about ghosts at all. They can talk about something completely different.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh damn, because I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask you about ghost stuff. And then he's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, well you get asked me some stuff. And
Speaker 2: I was asking him, telling him about the orb activity,
Speaker 2: the ORB things that people observed on one of the
Speaker 2: last bfroro trips in the Sierras, and he was saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: some of that stuff sounds similar to what people have seen.
Speaker 2: He hadn't seen orbs himself. But he says that is
Speaker 2: occasionally part of what goes on in these haunted places.
Speaker 2: And of course he had to bring up something that like,
Speaker 2: if you were to talk about orbs and as because
Speaker 2: I've done this myself on Reddit, you'll have like just
Speaker 2: a parade of these know it alls who want to
Speaker 2: jump up and say, oh, that's just an illusion created
Speaker 2: by dust in front of the lens creating a refraction.
Speaker 2: Da da da dah. And these just these dimwits don't realize,
Speaker 2: you know, I have to correct them and say, no, no,
Speaker 2: this isn't created by dust in front of the lens.
Speaker 2: That's only if you're looking. You've seeing these things in
Speaker 2: photographs or in videos. But people are seeing these balls
Speaker 2: of light directly with their own eyes, so it's not
Speaker 2: an illusion created by dust in front of a freaking lens.
Speaker 2: There is no lens when people are seeing these, uh,
Speaker 2: and so he but but then we talked about it
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's it's fascinating and it's something that that
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, I know you guys have seen,
Speaker 2: have have dealt with orbs, seen orbs in the past, you.
Speaker 1: Know, honestly, I never have, I never have.
Speaker 2: Bubbo.
Speaker 1: I think has, but I never have.
Speaker 2: I remember you talking about, ohbas up on the go
Speaker 2: road or or was that up there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen them up there one time. Then I've
Speaker 3: seen that weird flashing. It was like when I was
Speaker 3: with Cliff up in the tree tops, like seventy feet
Speaker 3: up there was like a like a twenty or thirty
Speaker 3: foot like square like box, like like it looked like
Speaker 3: like the trees lit up all over like at the
Speaker 3: same time. Like it was just like five flash, five
Speaker 3: fast flashes in like less than two seconds, for like
Speaker 3: or maybe three seconds. It was like just a burst
Speaker 3: of flashes, but there was no like source of light.
Speaker 3: It just was all over. And then saw that blue
Speaker 3: like basketball sized door, which Charlie Thoms the Medison man,
Speaker 3: said that that was the spirit of Bigfoot shoving as
Speaker 3: a blue ball light. And then when we were filming
Speaker 3: the show, we saw him in Oregon in the Klamate
Speaker 3: tribe up there. Renee and I and Hammel and Dana,
Speaker 3: we all gramps, we all saw it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I remember one time we were in British Columbia, Matt,
Speaker 1: you were there too, that Bobo and Cindy Doson when
Speaker 1: walking I think on that elevated railroad track and BC
Speaker 1: somewhere you saw him there too, Bobo. I remember radioing
Speaker 1: them in because you thought it was us with the
Speaker 1: headlight and we're all like looking at each other saying, dude,
Speaker 1: that's not us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one bounced. It was like just bouncing. Well,
Speaker 3: we thought it was weird because it was it looked
Speaker 3: like a headlamp and it was all around you guys's camp,
Speaker 3: and we're like, God, what's Cliff looking for because it
Speaker 3: was like went down below like looked like below waly seat,
Speaker 3: and then it went around and it went up over
Speaker 3: like and then I was like, that thing's pretty. He
Speaker 3: must be climbing up on top of the wall's van,
Speaker 3: because while I had that van with the ladder on
Speaker 3: the back, I thought we must have climbed up the ladder.
Speaker 3: And then we were watching you walk down that path
Speaker 3: we came on and then the path bent to the
Speaker 3: left and you kept going straight and like we'd done
Speaker 3: that because it was an old path that was the
Speaker 3: wrong one, but we've done the same thing. We watched
Speaker 3: in all these like just BlackBerry bushes and thickets and thorns,
Speaker 3: and we get we like it was tearing up our
Speaker 3: ring gear, and so we backed out and then we
Speaker 3: took the correct and we ended up a couple hundred
Speaker 3: hours up. We were a few hundred yards from you guys,
Speaker 3: and we were watching it. I remember reading going, all right, Cliff,
Speaker 3: just keep coming that way. Okay, Oh, you're going the
Speaker 3: wrong way. You're in the thickets. Now you're gonna get
Speaker 3: torn up. And then you like had even left camp yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so stuff like that has happened, uh, not just
Speaker 2: on the West coast, but like when I started talking
Speaker 2: about it with the group, I had other people pointing out, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they've seen these in Wisconsin and few other Midwest states
Speaker 2: and where else was it? I think in Iowa on
Speaker 2: one of the Iowa expeditions. And they're most often, well
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say most often. I mean they'll see them
Speaker 2: like something like the size of somewhere between a baseball
Speaker 2: and a golf ball, somewhere in that size range, or yeah, baseball,
Speaker 2: golf ball somewhere around there, just kind of bobbing around
Speaker 2: among very often, like around the tree tops and moving
Speaker 2: down and kind of swooping down and moving around. And
Speaker 2: the way that describing it is I almost imagine kind
Speaker 2: of a bug just kind of floating around and going
Speaker 2: all over the place. And then there's the ones that
Speaker 2: they'll see kind of holding still near the ground, and
Speaker 2: those are the ones that will be kind of different colors.
Speaker 2: But what was interesting in the last Sierra's trip was
Speaker 2: they said there was bigfoots up there and they saw
Speaker 2: the glowing eyes and then they saw these orbs, and
Speaker 2: they said they were very distinct in what the two
Speaker 2: different things looked like, because the glowing eyes are very dim,
Speaker 2: but these orbs were brighter. And at one point Josh
Speaker 2: Grohlman and a couple of other people were looking like
Speaker 2: because they it was on a road and there was
Speaker 2: two or three people with firms looking at this thing,
Speaker 2: and it would have been about fifty yards away, clearly
Speaker 2: on the road, and there was no heat signatures there
Speaker 2: at all, so even the ball of light did not
Speaker 2: emit any heat. It was like a cool ball of light,
Speaker 2: and it was like moving back and forth. And then
Speaker 2: he said what Drollman said tripped about that it started
Speaker 2: kind of pulsating, slowly pulsating, getting brighter and dimmer and
Speaker 2: brighter and dimmer, And of course that's not something a
Speaker 2: headlamp can do. Because when you hear the story, you think, oh,
Speaker 2: it might've been somebody with a headlamp down the road.
Speaker 2: Well that was the first thing that jumped to their
Speaker 2: mind when they first saw it, and they started radioing
Speaker 2: and finding out where people were, and nobody was anywhere
Speaker 2: near it. And then they're looking through their therms and
Speaker 2: there's like, there's no living thing over there, there's not
Speaker 2: any hot object. And it was just that so many,
Speaker 2: so many different people on that trip, including people who
Speaker 2: had formerly thought there was nothing to the ORB thing,
Speaker 2: they got to see them and were highly impressed. And
Speaker 2: this was, you know, the second not you know, this
Speaker 2: was not the first place. I mean, there's been another
Speaker 2: place in this year we thought was like orb City
Speaker 2: up in Stanislas National Forest. But this new place, it
Speaker 2: was like two counties away in the series where there
Speaker 2: was just as much ORB action again in the same woods.
Speaker 2: And people have asked, they say, well, when you're saying
Speaker 2: there can that they seem to be connected with bigfoots,
Speaker 2: like are they seeing orbs and bigfoots at the same time?
Speaker 2: And I always have to clarify It's like, no, they're not.
Speaker 2: It's not like they're seeing a bigfoot and then an
Speaker 2: orb following it or vice versa. They're just seeing orbs
Speaker 2: in the woods where they also see bigfoots, and the
Speaker 2: orbs will be sometimes down in the ground, and sometimes
Speaker 2: they go they go up above the trees and kind
Speaker 2: of arc above the trees, do a big arc and
Speaker 2: come down and they're they're definitely not fireflies, uh. And
Speaker 2: most often the color they're the two most frequent colors
Speaker 2: are kind of like a whitish bluish or bluish white.
Speaker 2: And then they'll see red ones like kind of closer
Speaker 2: to the ground. Sometimes they'll see more than one at
Speaker 2: a time, and most often they're seeing just one. And
Speaker 2: if there's a behavioral thing that you can deduce from it,
Speaker 2: at least from what people have described in both places.
Speaker 2: But the behavior because well, the bigfoots like as soon
Speaker 2: as like they're in they're usually people just spot them
Speaker 2: kind of looking around, looking in their direction and then
Speaker 2: turning around and leaving. Like the bigfoots like get out
Speaker 2: of the way and try to stay out of you,
Speaker 2: even in total darkness. They're trying. It's as if they
Speaker 2: think they can maybe still be spotted. They'll go out
Speaker 2: of the way, and it's almost as if the orbs
Speaker 2: do not feel The Bigfoots feel vulnerable, but the orbs
Speaker 2: do not. So the orbs are showing themselves kind of
Speaker 2: like not worried that they're going to get gunned down.
Speaker 2: But the Bigfoots are always behaving as though they as
Speaker 2: if they think they could be shot at and they
Speaker 2: are vulnerable. So if you had to speculate, like what
Speaker 2: is the relationship between these balls of light and the bigfoots,
Speaker 2: if there is one, it could be simply that the
Speaker 2: balls of light are because they seem to have I mean,
Speaker 2: that was one thing in the last trip. They said, Yeah,
Speaker 2: these things are moving around with a purpose. They they're
Speaker 2: not just kind of random little balls of energy flying around.
Speaker 2: They're moving around with a purpose. It's almost like they're
Speaker 2: trying to attract the attention of these intruding humans and
Speaker 2: almost like showing themselves to see what the humans are
Speaker 2: gonna do. Oh and here another interesting thing. As soon
Speaker 2: as the people would turn on one of their own lights,
Speaker 2: like even a little light, the orbs would turn off.
Speaker 2: The orbs would go black, So they would only be
Speaker 2: on when the people had no lights on, and they
Speaker 2: would they would go out when the lights would people
Speaker 2: would have like turn on a headlamp or something like that,
Speaker 2: like or any color. So anyway, I find that I
Speaker 2: find it very fascinating. It's a whole new wrinkle, uh
Speaker 2: to this whole thing, but one we've we've been hearing
Speaker 2: about here and there for a long time now.
Speaker 1: If there is a direct connection, like if one like say,
Speaker 1: bigfoots are responsible for the presence of orbs, could we
Speaker 1: do an experiment like say with the with flats and
Speaker 1: and look at all the places where sasquatches have been
Speaker 1: seen credibly and predict that there should be ORB sightings
Speaker 1: in all of those places.
Speaker 2: Well you could, But I mean I've been paying attention
Speaker 2: to stuff coming into the flats for years and years now,
Speaker 2: and I know that it's still very rare for people
Speaker 2: to report orbs. I mean it's literally like it's more
Speaker 2: I'm hearing about it more from people who go on
Speaker 2: expeditions than straight up witnesses. And that maybe because the
Speaker 2: people who just see orbs and don't have an inkling
Speaker 2: that there's bigfoot activity in the same woods, or maybe
Speaker 2: hear sounds but don't associate with bigfoots. The people seeing
Speaker 2: orbs with no bigfoots are not going to report those
Speaker 2: sidings to a bigfoot group because why would they, Why
Speaker 2: would they have any reasons to think that there is
Speaker 2: a connection. So that's one of the things people aren't
Speaker 2: like seeing the orbs like bobbing around on the shoulder
Speaker 2: of a big foot that's going down the road. But
Speaker 2: on occasion it'll be a bigfoot report and the people say, oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, we also saw these weird little lights
Speaker 2: kind of bobbing through the trees at the same time.
Speaker 2: And again it's like I could maybe I could think
Speaker 2: of maybe a dozen of those over the years. It's
Speaker 2: not very common, and and that's about the frequency of
Speaker 2: It's also been on about a dozen BFRO expeditions where
Speaker 2: people have noted orbs, And of course I don't take it,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't take it seriously unless it's multiple people on
Speaker 2: the trip saying they saw them as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, because there are insects and things like that
Speaker 1: that have biluminescence in them. I've seen those in the
Speaker 1: different Pinchot National Forest, but they're very, very faint, and
Speaker 1: they certainly are not what you're describing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not like baseball sized balls of light that
Speaker 2: are kind of that are kind of floating around. But
Speaker 2: it's one of the interesting exciting things about about this
Speaker 2: whole subject in that there's a lot of unknowns here.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that we don't understand, and
Speaker 2: of course people can speculate as soon as I you know,
Speaker 2: when I was on the Facebook group, as soon as
Speaker 2: I brought up orbs, there was at least I remember
Speaker 2: one guy, and I'm thinking there's probably other people who
Speaker 2: think that immediately jumped to see I told you they
Speaker 2: were paranormal beings and dah dah, da da da. Just
Speaker 2: you know, I had to point out that, you know,
Speaker 2: just because there's a paranormal thing in your vicinity like
Speaker 2: an ORB, doesn't mean that you are a paranormal entity yourself.
Speaker 2: And one does not follow the other. It could be
Speaker 2: that these things are just in the same vicinity hanging around.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Maybe they're they're the spirits of deceased Bigfoots.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows. But it doesn't automatically follow that
Speaker 2: that that that Bigfoots are not flesh and blood beings
Speaker 2: just because herbs are seen in their vicinity.
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Speaker 1: The orbs themselves could be a product of the habitat
Speaker 1: in some way.
Speaker 2: Right, And then we have you know, we have organizers.
Speaker 2: We have people in the group who don't like to
Speaker 2: hear about talk about orbs. You know, we have an
Speaker 2: organizer back east who doesn't even want people talking about
Speaker 2: it on his expeditions any kind of like paranormalist stuff
Speaker 2: because he thinks it's too woo And you know, I
Speaker 2: told him, I said, listen, you know, just because it
Speaker 2: sounds wo or unusual. If people are observing this stuff,
Speaker 2: then we should talk about it, you know, we should
Speaker 2: we should find out how many other people are seeing it,
Speaker 2: because that's that's that mentality of well, it sounds kind
Speaker 2: of crazy, so we shouldn't bring it up. That's what
Speaker 2: kind of kept bigfoot research down for so many decades
Speaker 2: because it sounded so folklore is to see these hairy
Speaker 2: monsters that people were discouraged from talking about it. And
Speaker 2: so it's like, now, no, if you see something weird,
Speaker 2: if you see something, say something. But yeah, if you
Speaker 2: see something weird on the drip, we want people to
Speaker 2: tell us what they observed. And that's kind of important.
Speaker 1: And you have personally observed these things, I know because
Speaker 1: you told me about them one time. Can you describe
Speaker 1: what you observed directly?
Speaker 2: I was in the Sierras and I saw a very
Speaker 2: big one, I mean up on the side what I
Speaker 2: thought was moving along a trail, and I later in
Speaker 2: the morning, when the sun came up, I realized it
Speaker 2: was along the face of a big cliff where there
Speaker 2: was no trail, and it looked like At first I
Speaker 2: thought it was somebody carrying a lantern, like a flame lantern,
Speaker 2: because it was kind of this flickering light. And I
Speaker 2: watched a little further and I realized it was kind
Speaker 2: of like a ball, like the shape, you know what
Speaker 2: would have had to have been like the size of
Speaker 2: a beach ball, and orange and kind of flickering, and
Speaker 2: then it changed size, like it got smaller, and then
Speaker 2: finally it just kind of fizzled out and disappeared. So
Speaker 2: and that's consistent with what is called earthquake lights, which
Speaker 2: if you look those up online you actually see photos
Speaker 2: of them, these kind of orange balls of light that
Speaker 2: are some like between basketball and beach ball size, and
Speaker 2: they're called earthquake lights because they've been associated as being
Speaker 2: seen just before earthquakes or just when there's unusual seismic activity,
Speaker 2: but also in areas where there is no seismic activity,
Speaker 2: like over peat bogs in Ireland. And it's this flickering
Speaker 2: kind of round light which seen over these peat bogs
Speaker 2: in Ireland, which gives rise to what we call the
Speaker 2: jack O lantern, which is it's funny because you put
Speaker 2: a candle inside a car out pumpkin and it creates
Speaker 2: this kind of round globe flickering light that is very
Speaker 2: similar in appearance. So yeah, jack O lanterns are based
Speaker 2: on these orbs, those kind of orbs, But so anyway,
Speaker 2: that was up in the Sierras, and it was in
Speaker 2: the same general area of where these other kind of
Speaker 2: orbs are seen that are closer to the ground, that
Speaker 2: move with intention and can do like what Bubba described,
Speaker 2: which is like it totally like all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: everything around you is lit up for a few seconds,
Speaker 2: but before you can even see where the source of
Speaker 2: the light is coming from, the light just turns off.
Speaker 2: But like suddenly you'll go from being totally dark to
Speaker 2: like it's as bright as day all around you for
Speaker 2: a few seconds, and like you're looking out of your
Speaker 2: tent and you're thinking, you know, know what it is like
Speaker 2: something with a huge light above you, But then you
Speaker 2: look out and there's nothing out there. So there's that
Speaker 2: type and then like actual orbs like bobbing around above
Speaker 2: the trees, and what we heard. We have a really
Speaker 2: good contact up there who works for forestry in the
Speaker 2: fire division, because it's like when you're up in a
Speaker 2: lot of parts of California in the National Forest, you're
Speaker 2: seeing more fire suppression related personnal than you're seeing actual rangers.
Speaker 2: And one of those guys comes like whenever there's some
Speaker 2: bigfooters up in this particular area, he'll come around to
Speaker 2: talk to them. And he's relayed how he has had
Speaker 2: other campers approach him telling him about the orbs that
Speaker 2: they saw, so which was fascinating to hear that that, like,
Speaker 2: it's not just us, it's not just our people seeing
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it shouldn't be just you. If it's a real phenomenon.
Speaker 1: More people should be reporting these things, right.
Speaker 2: Right, So it was gratifying to hear that people were
Speaker 2: reporting it to him. But it's kind of one of
Speaker 2: those things that you know, like with bigfoot, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much of it, you know, bigfoot
Speaker 2: would still be just kind of a rumored thing. It
Speaker 2: might still be just a rumored thing had the Patterson
Speaker 2: footage not come around. It was that visual that kind
Speaker 2: of anchored people's conception of what a bigfoot is. And
Speaker 2: and so that may be kind of where we're at
Speaker 2: with orbs such that like once at some point somebody
Speaker 2: will get some really good video of these orbs and
Speaker 2: when that comes out, then yeah, people are going to
Speaker 2: be conscious about and conversant about that subject. But that
Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet. Ironically, our people have like go out
Speaker 2: with these thermal cameras because those are the ones that
Speaker 2: are going to document bigfoots pretty well. And these thermal
Speaker 2: cameras don't get the orbs at all, Like orbs are
Speaker 2: invisible to thermal cameras.
Speaker 1: As anyone has anyone tried night vision, the green night
Speaker 1: vision on these things yet.
Speaker 2: You would think, But remember the problem with with the
Speaker 2: green night vision is you had to couple it with
Speaker 2: you know, because people would have those those would call
Speaker 2: many four teens, like the military Spec third gen, the
Speaker 2: really good third generation ones you had. It was kind
Speaker 2: of a pain in the ass to couple those up
Speaker 2: with a video camera. You had to have an adapt
Speaker 2: ring and it and then you justed just right. And
Speaker 2: I think I am maybe the only one I know
Speaker 2: that ever had the full rig to connect one of
Speaker 2: those to a video camera. But you could use it
Speaker 2: without the video camera and you could see stuff. But
Speaker 2: it's like not, I don't I don't recall anybody every
Speaker 2: scene like looking at the orbs through one of those.
Speaker 2: But in theory it would work. In theory, what I mean,
Speaker 2: because those military Spec night vision scopes caesium tube phosphor
Speaker 2: based light amplification scopes, So even the tiniest little light,
Speaker 2: I mean you've seen it, like you light up a
Speaker 2: cigarette light or a half mile away, and it'll make
Speaker 2: it like you'll see it real bright through one of
Speaker 2: those scopes because it amplifies the light so much so
Speaker 2: it should in theory, amplify any kind of Oh, like
Speaker 2: one of the most bitchy things you could ever see
Speaker 2: through one of those scopes is a bunch like a
Speaker 2: field full of fireflies that's just so like a wicked
Speaker 2: in through one of those scopes. And of course the
Speaker 2: starry night sky, like you realize there's like a hundred
Speaker 2: times more stars in the sky when you have one
Speaker 2: of those scopes because they amplify light. But no, I
Speaker 2: don't remember anybody seeing one with those scopes. But not
Speaker 2: too many people have those. Now, of course people people
Speaker 2: have they have thermal scopes, and that one of the
Speaker 2: interest you know, funny things that's happened over the past
Speaker 2: twenty years is thermal scopes used to be way more
Speaker 2: expensive thermals than night vision scopes. I mean they are
Speaker 2: like fuck ten nine thousand, fourteen thousand, and those military
Speaker 2: spec night vision scopes. They're still around three or four
Speaker 2: thousand dollars the many fourteens. But thermal scopes now are
Speaker 2: come down so cheap. They're about a thousand bucks now
Speaker 2: or at least hours the ones week itself. So the
Speaker 2: point is more people have therms than have any kind
Speaker 2: of night vision. But I'm encouraging people like organizers next
Speaker 2: time in these when they go to these places that
Speaker 2: have or of activity, to just bring a regular video camera.
Speaker 2: And I you know, I was discouraging people to try
Speaker 2: to get it with their smartphones because it was noted
Speaker 2: that whenever people turned on any kind of a light,
Speaker 2: then the orbs would stop. So and of course using
Speaker 2: your phone to record something is going to create a light,
Speaker 2: you know. And I mean you could turn it on,
Speaker 2: get it recording, and then turn down your screen this
Speaker 2: screen brightness to basically zero, but you're still turning on
Speaker 2: a light in the p you know, at first. But
Speaker 2: if you have what Robert Collyer, the California organizer, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a cop, and so what he says is next
Speaker 2: time he's going to have a body cam like a
Speaker 2: police like. I mean, he'll buy his own. People'll have
Speaker 2: like a police body camp and that should be able
Speaker 2: to get the orbs.
Speaker 3: We're in Oregon. They didn't shup on thermal night vision camera,
Speaker 3: regular camera, they didn't shop on anything, just the naked
Speaker 3: eye only. Really, Yeah, Tylerler, I saw one in a
Speaker 3: Minnesota with the front on the off whole family's property.
Speaker 3: We saw it. It was bounced along above the telephone wires.
Speaker 3: We thought, well, maybe this has something to do with that.
Speaker 3: And then it flew off and it flew to the
Speaker 3: ground and it flew up what like about a couple
Speaker 3: hundred dards for us, and it shot in a big
Speaker 3: arcing like trajectory and then came down like like a
Speaker 3: rainbow shape and came down and dove into this BlackBerry
Speaker 3: thinking right along the edge of the road where the
Speaker 3: road really narrowed down, like you had to get you
Speaker 3: had to walk pretty close to it. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I hope that's not a big fit in there now,
Speaker 3: because nothing we thought were gonna get growled out or something,
Speaker 3: but nothing there was that was it. That just we
Speaker 3: didn't see it anymore. There was no sound came out
Speaker 3: of the bush. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, And that's part of the problem of doing
Speaker 2: I tried to do experiments to see what works and
Speaker 2: what doesn't is you never know when the ORBS stuff
Speaker 2: is going to happen. But at least again these couple
Speaker 2: of locations in the Sierra, since it happened so much
Speaker 2: more reliably. I mean, it was great because this this sect,
Speaker 2: the one place is up in status loss and in another
Speaker 2: place is like basically it's down closer to the Sequoias
Speaker 2: and at that Saquoias area, that particular area, two years
Speaker 2: in a row they've had bigfoot stuff and ORBS stuff
Speaker 2: in that same particular area at that same time of year.
Speaker 2: So that makes me helpful. I'm just like, oh, go
Speaker 2: definitely go back next year to that same area and
Speaker 2: just like bring a whole have people bring a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of different optics and then just try to record
Speaker 2: because oh yeah, here's one another contrast with the bigfood activity.
Speaker 2: The big food activity doesn't happen very long. In other words,
Speaker 2: they'll it's usually they'll see it bigfoot maybe for a second,
Speaker 2: it's buy a tree, whatever, and then it moves away,
Speaker 2: so it's not hanging around for a long time. The orbs,
Speaker 2: by contrast, will remain visible for a lot longer. They'll
Speaker 2: they'll you know, they'll stay there. They'll stick around as
Speaker 2: if they're almost like trying to attract attention to themselves.
Speaker 2: And so that's good. If they're going to stick around
Speaker 2: and be visible longer than a bigfoot will, then they're
Speaker 2: going to be easier in theory to get on camera
Speaker 2: or at least try different kinds of optics to see
Speaker 2: what type can actually record them. You know, you guys
Speaker 2: know Josh Grohlman, so he it's funny because he was
Speaker 2: on this last one and he got like a whole
Speaker 2: face full of these things and he was saying, man,
Speaker 2: he just like he totally didn't believe. He said he
Speaker 2: had taken it with a grain of fall. He really
Speaker 2: didn't didn't believe the orb stories before this happened, and
Speaker 2: so it kind of turned his world upside down. To
Speaker 2: see them. I really blew his mind. But that's that's
Speaker 2: always gratifying. It is like when you're hearing it from
Speaker 2: somebody who knew had been told about this kind of thing,
Speaker 2: had blown it off, and then they begrudgingly had to
Speaker 2: admit that, yeah, there's something to it.
Speaker 1: I love that's cool. That's cool. It's going to get
Speaker 1: a little bit of beyond the Bigfoot and beyond. So
Speaker 1: thank you for that update on the orbit situation. Stay
Speaker 1: tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after these messages. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: to change the subject, hear just a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: you do have the largest incoming information, the largest amount
Speaker 1: of incoming information about recent sasquatch citing reports and everything
Speaker 1: through the BFUR only been doing that for decades and decades.
Speaker 1: There is no website that does it better. So what
Speaker 1: can you tell us about some recent happenings as far
Speaker 1: as bigfoots are concerned.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm actually looking at the list on the
Speaker 2: BFRs site of the reports that have been posted since
Speaker 2: August first, and if I look at the bottom, the
Speaker 2: one of the first ones that we put it was
Speaker 2: really intrigued me because it was a signing by two
Speaker 2: people that observed three bigfoots near the Pacific Crest Trail
Speaker 2: up by Mount Rainier, kind of northeast of Mountaineer, in
Speaker 2: this place called Government Meadow, which is I don't know
Speaker 2: why it's called Government Meadow because it's just a big
Speaker 2: alpine meadow. But the Pacific Crest trail goes right along
Speaker 2: the edge of it, and there's this emergency cabin, this
Speaker 2: cabin that was built emergency cabin for snowmobilers when they
Speaker 2: would go up there. And so these people were approaching
Speaker 2: this cabin not from along the trail, but from kind
Speaker 2: of an odd angle from behind it, and they observed,
Speaker 2: you know, would seem to be a big male and
Speaker 2: then a little bit smaller female, and then a young
Speaker 2: one on the back of the female. So that that's
Speaker 2: like it doesn't happen very often that people because people
Speaker 2: we have, you know, a few it's it's uncommon for
Speaker 2: people to see two of them at the same time,
Speaker 2: but really uncommon for people to see three, like you know,
Speaker 2: a mama bear maybe mare, you know, just like so
Speaker 2: that happened up there, and of course, to me, one
Speaker 2: of the remarkable things about oh, by the way, that
Speaker 2: was a daylight. But one of the remarkable things about
Speaker 2: that report is how it tracks with so many other
Speaker 2: reports near the Pacific Press Trail, you know, and it
Speaker 2: could be miles apart, but as we you know, like
Speaker 2: a road crossing signing that happens within like one hundred
Speaker 2: yards of where the Pacific Crest Trail crosses like Highway
Speaker 2: twelve above Packwood. That was another report we got, and
Speaker 2: then this one was just you know, less than one
Speaker 2: hundred feet away from Pacific Crest Trail. But that seems
Speaker 2: to be a common thing all up and down the
Speaker 2: Pacific Crest Trail in Washington, Oregon, and California. There's so
Speaker 2: many signings, and that's of course consistent. The same thing
Speaker 2: happens with the Continental Divide Trail and the Appalachian Trail
Speaker 2: and the Florida Trail and the Buckeye Trail, all these
Speaker 2: like trails, because one element of them is they go
Speaker 2: through these trails follow these green spaces. So it's not
Speaker 2: just kind of a trail that kind of goes among
Speaker 2: houses and stuff like that. It's it's they they follow
Speaker 2: green belts because they try to give you the experience
Speaker 2: of kind of being in the woods and try to
Speaker 2: stay as far away from civilization as possible. And of
Speaker 2: course that's not easy to do in places like Ohio.
Speaker 2: But even when you look an aerial photographs and you're looking, go, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not that seems like it's going like in between
Speaker 2: two neighborhoods. But then you look at the view from
Speaker 2: the ground, the view from the you know, the trail itself,
Speaker 2: you don't even you would never even know that you're
Speaker 2: close to some houses because the trail looks like it's
Speaker 2: going through woods, because just passing through kind of a
Speaker 2: narrower green belt. Yeah, So all those trails were plotted,
Speaker 2: and you know, they were established to kind of avoid
Speaker 2: towns and avoid civilization. But obviously at some points they
Speaker 2: cross roads. And what I've always thought is that the
Speaker 2: key thing about that, the helpful thing about that, is
Speaker 2: that those kind of through trails, at some points whell
Speaker 2: there will be foot bridges. There will be places where
Speaker 2: the trail crosses over a chasm or whatever on some
Speaker 2: kind of that there'll be a little bridge where if
Speaker 2: a bigfoot is generally following the path, the course of
Speaker 2: the trail, where it would occur to a bigfoot that
Speaker 2: instead of making the hillacious effort of dropping down into
Speaker 2: this canyon and climbing up the other side, they could
Speaker 2: just trot across the bridge late at night when there's
Speaker 2: nobody there. So those bridges would be very good places
Speaker 2: to set up concealed trail cameras because you could set
Speaker 2: it up and if they're not concealed, then somebody might
Speaker 2: take them, especially like a ranger. But I think those
Speaker 2: are those places. I mean, so footbridges on those kind
Speaker 2: of trails, and there's other places in the Midwest where
Speaker 2: like railroad tracks, cross roads, and those would also be
Speaker 2: you know, the railroad beds are a very good place
Speaker 2: I think to set up trail cameras. But again it
Speaker 2: has to be done in such a way where people
Speaker 2: aren't going to notice the trail cameras. And it would
Speaker 2: be especially helpful, if good to do, if there is
Speaker 2: private property coming up to a railroad bed easement such
Speaker 2: that you could put your trail camera on a tree,
Speaker 2: and if, of course you'd still want to conceal it,
Speaker 2: make it so you can't see it vers but having
Speaker 2: on a tree on your own property that's looking across
Speaker 2: the railroad bed such that if anything is walking, either
Speaker 2: on the railroad tracks itself or the little like the
Speaker 2: road that would be on either side of it, it
Speaker 2: would be within view of the trail camera. And I've
Speaker 2: been preaching that now for a long time, so I
Speaker 2: thank you for letting me preach it on your show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the trail cameras that I think can be useful if
Speaker 2: they're put out in the right places and done the
Speaker 2: right way, and I don't think that's often enough. Oh
Speaker 2: and that leads to me my other thing. In the
Speaker 2: next couple of days, I think I'm going to be
Speaker 2: releasing this trail camera image that was gotten recently in Missouri.
Speaker 2: In fact, while I've been talking to you, I got
Speaker 2: the I saw the message come in from the guy
Speaker 2: who said he finally because I saw this photo, I
Speaker 2: sent you guys the side by side send it out
Speaker 2: to other BFR people. But I needed the guy to
Speaker 2: send in a written report so I could start adding
Speaker 2: the other visual elements to it. But it's not very clear.
Speaker 2: This thing was about one hundred and fifty feet away.
Speaker 2: The camera was on low resolution because he was just
Speaker 2: this camera was just like sending. He set it up
Speaker 2: to send out live images he could use. It's a
Speaker 2: cellular trail camera, so with his app he could connect
Speaker 2: to it and have it send a live shot of
Speaker 2: a creek that he was monitoring it to see if
Speaker 2: it was when it was flooding. So it wasn't put
Speaker 2: out there for deer, and he was monitoring this creek
Speaker 2: kind of from a little bit of a distance at
Speaker 2: and the trigger because there was leaves blowing in the wind,
Speaker 2: like maybe five to ten feet in front of the camera.
Speaker 2: It kept triggering the camera. Because there's all these empty
Speaker 2: photos of false triggers, which we call brush triggers, and
Speaker 2: in one of them, here's this figure brown. I mean,
Speaker 2: it looks like it looks like a squatch, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't really jump out at you until you have it
Speaker 2: side by side with the comparative photo of a guy
Speaker 2: standing at the same spot, and then you realize how
Speaker 2: much bigger this thing is. I mean, and it isn't
Speaker 2: just a matter of it being taller, it's just all
Speaker 2: around bigger, probably like in the range of eight feet tall.
Speaker 2: And anyway, so I'm impressed by that. There will be
Speaker 2: a lot of people who complain, like why is it
Speaker 2: not clear? Why is a blurry? And of course people,
Speaker 2: you know, they whine and it's not It's like the
Speaker 2: people who complain, how is that clear? It's almost a
Speaker 2: waste of time with some of them to explain why,
Speaker 2: because they don't really care. They don't want to hear
Speaker 2: the explanation. They just want to express their frustration that
Speaker 2: they you know, but yeah, the explanation is like with
Speaker 2: so many other bigfoot images gotten with a trail camera
Speaker 2: or with a phone, the thing is in the distance.
Speaker 2: So when you're showing the photo to somebody, you're not
Speaker 2: showing the full wide angle picture. You're showing a zoomed
Speaker 2: in kind of cropped image and enlargement which makes that
Speaker 2: figure blurry. You know, if you're if you're enlarging a
Speaker 2: little tiny figure in a photograph. So that's what's that's
Speaker 2: why this thing is kind of blurry. But again, when
Speaker 2: you compare it side by side of a guy setting
Speaker 2: in that same spot, taken by that same camera, looking
Speaker 2: in that same direction, it's obvious this thing is huge
Speaker 2: compared to the person there. Uh. And that was in
Speaker 2: a place called Poplar Bluff, Missouri, which is kind of
Speaker 2: over on on the east side of the state, getting toward,
Speaker 2: you know, in the general vicinity of the Mississippi Watershed.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's bigfoots out there too. And one of
Speaker 2: the glorious things of taking reports in for so many
Speaker 2: years it's getting to see how many different places in
Speaker 2: the country where people see these things, and you don't
Speaker 2: make that determination based on just one report. It's like
Speaker 2: community you see a whole bunch of reports from a
Speaker 2: particular part of a given state, you realize, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: this isn't These reports are kind of corroborating each other.
Speaker 2: And here is another area you didn't think of before,
Speaker 2: like this part of Iowa has some reports, and then
Speaker 2: this part of eastern Missouri that's not really even in
Speaker 2: the ozarks. And so then we had another report recently
Speaker 2: that was from good To Okay, because you know, it's
Speaker 2: funny this name. You know, the German philosopher Cliff and Bobo,
Speaker 2: whose name is spelled g E t h e y. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so Germans pronounced it good to, good to, and you
Speaker 2: know in America's I'm not sure how to pronounce a
Speaker 2: g O E t h German philosopher, Okay, but in
Speaker 2: America down there in Florida, they pronounced it go fee, yeah,
Speaker 2: go fee State Forest in Florida where two people had
Speaker 2: a road crossing siding of two bigfoots. And that report
Speaker 2: was a really thorough investigation by doctor Bob Stateon. He
Speaker 2: drove down there, met with the people photographed. It turns
Speaker 2: out this where it crossed, right where it went over
Speaker 2: to there was an abandoned railroad bed right there, and
Speaker 2: there's he was able to find that we have four
Speaker 2: or five other reports from the same general vicinity in Florida,
Speaker 2: And even a few days after he submitted it to
Speaker 2: me to approve it, I hadn't approved it yet, and
Speaker 2: we get an email from a lady who lives a
Speaker 2: few miles away who got a recording of some knocks.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so stuff is happening there. But I realized
Speaker 2: how to optimize for Facebook by not you know, I
Speaker 2: realized one thing. I was shooting myself at the foot
Speaker 2: by when I'm posting something adding too many images, too
Speaker 2: many map images to the post. I love it, well,
Speaker 2: it is, it looks nice, but it limits how much
Speaker 2: a Facebook will circulate that because obviously it gets circulated
Speaker 2: to people subscribe. But when you get in the Facebook
Speaker 2: algorithm where they're just going to send it out to,
Speaker 2: you know, it detects these geographic names. Because we said
Speaker 2: it was twenty five miles west of Okalla and near
Speaker 2: good the State Force. Well, the Facebook algorithm was sending
Speaker 2: that report into the feeds of all kinds of people
Speaker 2: around there. So previously the highest number of views report
Speaker 2: on a Facebook post got on our website was one
Speaker 2: from Virginia. It had like two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand views. Well, this one within a few days climbed
Speaker 2: to over a million views, and I was just inundated
Speaker 2: with all these people wanting to like, so many people
Speaker 2: wanting to sign up and subscribe to the Facebook group.
Speaker 2: So tons of people saw this report. And one of
Speaker 2: the great one of the good things about that Facebook
Speaker 2: is in that situation is people can't will share information
Speaker 2: among each other. They'll they'll share it to like either
Speaker 2: individuals or share it to everybody on their friends list,
Speaker 2: so it can go viral in the way that it
Speaker 2: properly goes viral, just by people sharing it. And that
Speaker 2: one did and it got shared around. And the great
Speaker 2: thing was to see all the other people in the
Speaker 2: area who came forward who got it and we're talking
Speaker 2: about them here sounds and seeing them all this other
Speaker 2: corroborating information, and that's what's that's something that the website
Speaker 2: by itself doesn't do. You know, people can share can
Speaker 2: see a report on the BFR site and they can
Speaker 2: share it with people, but it doesn't have the potential
Speaker 2: to be viral and then bring in information that people
Speaker 2: you know, put in as comments to the post, so
Speaker 2: there was a whole and then so after a while,
Speaker 2: people I think reading the post and looking at the
Speaker 2: comments and going, wow, this is amazing because this isn't
Speaker 2: just like something somebody made up, because there's all these
Speaker 2: other people in the same area and describing the same
Speaker 2: things and saying, oh, yeah, these things have been down
Speaker 2: here for years. I saw one when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA, and uh, it's it's great to
Speaker 2: see that when when that happens, to have all the
Speaker 2: corroborating information, and it shows something that we've known for
Speaker 2: a long time, which is that most sightings do not
Speaker 2: get reported. And I see that very starkly in a
Speaker 2: situation like that post one report and there's all these
Speaker 2: people popping up with their own signings in the comments
Speaker 2: section of a Facebook post, but people who have never
Speaker 2: sent their story to the BFRO. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the ratio is, but I'll tell you there's
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot more that have not been
Speaker 2: reported that our report is.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 1: Bobo will be right back after these messages. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many reports you have for say Washington and
Speaker 1: Oregon combined, right, But at the NABC, you know, in
Speaker 1: the museum there, we only really record signing reports from
Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington, you know, really try to focus our
Speaker 1: efforts to the local Sasquatch. It's something that we can
Speaker 1: do something about because unlike you were, not like a
Speaker 1: nationwide situation. You know, you have investigators all over the country.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't do that. But in the last
Speaker 1: six years of us being open, I think it's six
Speaker 1: years this month, actually, I think we've recorded something like
Speaker 1: one hundred, one hundred and fifty in between those two
Speaker 1: numbers of eyewitness reports. Class A eyewitness reports. We don't
Speaker 1: record footprints, we don't record sounds, things that go bump
Speaker 1: in the night shadows, Class B stuff, in other words,
Speaker 1: Class A observations of Sasquatches. Where there is no doubt
Speaker 1: about one hundred hundred fifty And that's just in six years.
Speaker 1: But that takes people coming into the museum and speaking
Speaker 1: to us personally one on one, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that if they wouldn't be offering this online. That takes efforts,
Speaker 1: you know. But and just in Clackamas County alone, I
Speaker 1: bet you we have probably twenty five thirty or more
Speaker 1: just in the last six years, so I know most
Speaker 1: people never ever share their story or one hundred percent
Speaker 1: right on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that amazing? And at first, in one way
Speaker 2: I feel frustrated, saying, darn it, how come more people?
Speaker 2: You know, there is such a huge ratio maybe somewhere
Speaker 2: between ten to fifty for every one that gets reported,
Speaker 2: why don't those people come forward and make an effort?
Speaker 2: But then I have to be honest with myself and think,
Speaker 2: you know, if I wasn't that interested in the subject
Speaker 2: and I saw a bigfoot, would I have taken the
Speaker 2: effort to like get online and report it? You know,
Speaker 2: I might not, or at least I might not do
Speaker 2: it right away. I might like one day finally like
Speaker 2: read other reports, say, you know, Darning, I should send
Speaker 2: in my report to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we got a great report out of
Speaker 1: ver near Washington just recently, and actually the guy played
Speaker 1: like back in the seventies, he shot at the thing
Speaker 1: in the whole nine. It was a great report, like
Speaker 1: one of the better ones that we've gotten lately, at least,
Speaker 1: and he did not volunteer that information. He was. He
Speaker 1: went in the back, he did his thing, you know,
Speaker 1: he looked around in the exhibit hall. He came out,
Speaker 1: he did a little shopping. And it was actually Dave,
Speaker 1: I think one of my employees that he was. They
Speaker 1: were talking and the guy asked, Dave, so, have you
Speaker 1: ever seen one of these things? Go now, Dave. Dave says, now,
Speaker 1: I never really, I'd like to the other guys have
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. And Dad says, well, have
Speaker 1: you seen one? He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, Oh, tell
Speaker 1: me about it, and then he did. But if Dave
Speaker 1: had not asked him specifically, he would have never volunteered that.
Speaker 2: I believe it. And it reminds me of questions that
Speaker 2: like journalists will sometimes ask me, you know, they're so
Speaker 2: far removed, and you can tell they don't think, they
Speaker 2: think it's just pure folk when they say, so, what
Speaker 2: do you think accounts for just the enduring fascination with
Speaker 2: the subject, Like why why is this stuff just like
Speaker 2: remains popular year after year after year. And I was
Speaker 2: it's because people see them. Yeah they're real, Yeah, they're real.
Speaker 2: People see them. And so many people in the Northwest
Speaker 2: they know somebody who has seen one. So it's it's
Speaker 2: the fact that people still continue to see them and
Speaker 2: tell their friends and everything that that's kind of underlies
Speaker 2: the interest in it. And if that didn't happen, there
Speaker 2: wouldn't be interest in it. If people weren't seeing them
Speaker 2: periodically in many different parts of the country, it just
Speaker 2: it would fade away like a folklore story, kind of
Speaker 2: like Choop a cabra, you know, and some of these
Speaker 2: other figures that have kind of popped up and gone
Speaker 2: away and Bigfoot. You know, they say, what's different about
Speaker 2: big But why is that particular thing? Like, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: they're real and people see them and they talk about it,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's why. It's because it's not just
Speaker 2: kind of a folklore concept, even though it's exploited in
Speaker 2: many ways, but at its core, there's some things. You know,
Speaker 2: there's some things around that keep popping up and making
Speaker 2: themselves known to observers who were not expecting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most real it's obvious that they're real animals,
Speaker 1: and that's why the legend, if you want to call it,
Speaker 1: that continues. It's just so obvious. It's ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I want to ask you whenever I romanticize
Speaker 2: in my mind about Oregon. The place is in Oregon
Speaker 2: that I would love to check out, and I've never
Speaker 2: had an opportunity. Are these places I've heard about in
Speaker 2: eastern Oregon where I've heard people just talk about, Oh
Speaker 2: my God, there's these places in eastern Oregon that are
Speaker 2: just so spectacular and amazing, and there's like nobody out there.
Speaker 2: And the closest I ever got was driving down from
Speaker 2: one of those last episodes we did right I drove
Speaker 2: my Landrover LR III. I had it up there, and
Speaker 2: then I drove it all the way back, and when
Speaker 2: I got down to Bend, Oregon, I took one of
Speaker 2: those roads and headed due east from Bend to connect
Speaker 2: with the very beginning of the three ninety five. So
Speaker 2: you know three ninety five that goes by Mammoth Mountain
Speaker 2: kind of the eastern part of California. Three ninety five
Speaker 2: that goes up by Convict Lake and Bishop and Mammoth,
Speaker 2: and then it goes up by Lake Tahoe and stuff. Well,
Speaker 2: it goes all the way up in Oregon and it
Speaker 2: ends up by Bed. You have to go way out
Speaker 2: in the desert to get to the point where it
Speaker 2: connects to some road you know where you know, te
Speaker 2: bones into a highway that's running east west, and it's
Speaker 2: so desolate out there that when I started going then
Speaker 2: south on the three ninety five for a ways, I
Speaker 2: realized I hadn't There was no other cars on the road, uh,
Speaker 2: and it was like kind of spooky. And then at
Speaker 2: one point I stopped the car in just in the
Speaker 2: middle of the road, in the middle of highway, and
Speaker 2: just had lunch on the hood. But that was as
Speaker 2: close as I got to this this air, you know.
Speaker 2: And of course we've been over in the Blues, but
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to check out some of these these
Speaker 2: places that I've heard people rave about that they that
Speaker 2: they just didn't even you know, these unsung beautiful places
Speaker 2: in eastern Oregon that nobody ever goes to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are plenty actually that three ninety five.
Speaker 1: I drove that years and years and years ago, and
Speaker 1: I was just blown away by the vast emptiness of
Speaker 1: that part of the state. I remember driving and there's
Speaker 1: nobody out there in the middle of the desert, right
Speaker 1: And I remember driving just before dusk, you know, and
Speaker 1: so we had our headlights on and we're driving like
Speaker 1: seventy seventy five or more or something like that, and
Speaker 1: we were entering in this long bowl shaped valley and
Speaker 1: way in the distance we could see headlights and we're
Speaker 1: driving seventy five. The people who were had I saw
Speaker 1: the headlight. They had to be driving just as fast.
Speaker 1: It took twenty or thirty minutes for us to pass
Speaker 1: each other. Wow, Yeah, it was insane. We passed this
Speaker 1: little place called wagon Tire in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing out there, but of course that's not bigfoot habitat.
Speaker 1: Per say, they might wander into those areas in the
Speaker 1: river beds, and all right, the.
Speaker 2: Desert areas aren't. But among the desert areas, I know,
Speaker 2: like if you go through the desert, then you get
Speaker 2: to these places apparently where there's some mountain ranges and
Speaker 2: some deep valleys where there's is a lot of deer
Speaker 2: and pronghorn and just a lot of wildlife. In some
Speaker 2: part of eastern Oregon where just it's like nobody goes
Speaker 2: to because of course when people think of Oregon, they
Speaker 2: want to go to the Oregon Cascades or the Oregon
Speaker 2: the Coastal Range. All the gravity of attention is toward
Speaker 2: you know, the western part of Oregon that everybody knows
Speaker 2: and loves. But that's only It's like when I tell
Speaker 2: people about Washington State, I'm like, the thing, the part
Speaker 2: of Washington State that you think about is only like
Speaker 2: like one third the first the far western third of
Speaker 2: the state, and the rest is just like this, like yack.
Speaker 2: It's like this open kind of grassland, you know, and
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of big trees, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's almost prairie ish. But yeah, it's the green, wet
Speaker 2: parts are the ones that the tourists visit, and everything
Speaker 2: else gets overlooked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is absolutely amazing. In fact, I'm headed out
Speaker 1: there tomorrow. I'm going to the Blues tomorrow for the
Speaker 1: next few days to go do some work out there.
Speaker 1: But the Blue Mountains stretch north kind of northeast southwest
Speaker 1: all throughout the area from Washington by Wallah wah Bah
Speaker 1: all the way to almost a central central organ like
Speaker 1: the Ochiko National Forest, Maur National Forest, and all throughout
Speaker 1: the area. It is great big footing and we get
Speaker 1: we get a fair amount of stuff out there, especially
Speaker 1: when you consider how few people are actually out there.
Speaker 1: Some amazing Bigfoot reports. We had a woman named Barbara
Speaker 1: on the show here actually who ran into several Sasquatches
Speaker 1: who seem to be maybe guarding their water hole or something.
Speaker 1: She was jeeping up on this ridge line where there
Speaker 1: was a spring she knew about, and at night the
Speaker 1: sasquatchs came in. And she was a former law enforcement officer,
Speaker 1: and she and her partner had hurt their backs against
Speaker 1: the trees with their guns drawn for four or five
Speaker 1: hours as these things shrieked at her around her jeep.
Speaker 1: Like amazing sighting reports and things happened out there quite
Speaker 1: a bit. And you just look at Google Earth or
Speaker 1: something and look at the green spots in eastern Oregon,
Speaker 1: and most of that has very few people living there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know, main or like Idaho
Speaker 1: or something. The people who are there are not talking
Speaker 1: about it. So there are a lot of reports out
Speaker 1: there that nobody has ever heard of, and nobody probably
Speaker 1: ever will.
Speaker 3: I spent nine nights out there with Koreda a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago out in Malhur and went to John
Speaker 3: Day and I say a coastos cliff. I sa that
Speaker 3: one oaks. Yeah, we went out. We bounced out there
Speaker 3: for like nine nights, and man, was I think I
Speaker 3: was talking to you about it as Matt, like, that's
Speaker 3: that is a place to set those long distance thrms.
Speaker 3: If you got like a really high end therm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they'd be exposed to tree it's not dense
Speaker 2: tree cover like you have towards the coast, so you'd
Speaker 2: have a much better shot. And then the behavior kind
Speaker 2: of like as we've seen over the years going to
Speaker 2: different parts of the country, it's when you're going you
Speaker 2: go to a bigfoot area where that hardly where there's
Speaker 2: hardly ever people going the bigfoot seem to behave a
Speaker 2: little differently. They're a little bit more honoring, they're a
Speaker 2: little bit more likely to try to scare you out
Speaker 2: of an area. And it's as if the ones that
Speaker 2: are in the places where there's a lot of humans
Speaker 2: around are being like really careful. They're trying to stay hidden.
Speaker 2: They don't want people to know they are there. They're
Speaker 2: not going to protest and make a big to do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, someplace out in eastern Oregon, like you're camped
Speaker 2: at some watering hole where like nobody like maybe only
Speaker 2: see somebody drive by like once every two years. They
Speaker 2: have not become quite as cautious. They're they're you know,
Speaker 2: and so that that's part of the appeal for me
Speaker 2: going a place like that. It's like, I know, there's
Speaker 2: probably lots of nooks. There's probably pockets of bigfoots around
Speaker 2: there that just don't get any you like, I get
Speaker 2: so little human contact that they would be they'd be
Speaker 2: more likely to be exposed at night. Two therms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would totally agree that. If you want to
Speaker 1: compare that part of Oregon to some other place, I
Speaker 1: think a good analogy would be the Ciras in some
Speaker 1: ways because it's dry and desert y and the trees
Speaker 1: aren't so dense in a lot of areas, but also
Speaker 1: kind of New Mexico because they're not You're not gonna
Speaker 1: find the Maassquatches down low necessarily, but you're gonna find
Speaker 1: them in those sky islands like as we call them
Speaker 1: over in New Mexico. And you know, for a lot
Speaker 1: of the year that may be a desert, but it
Speaker 1: is cold out there. It is cold, cold, cold out there,
Speaker 1: and so they're not gonna mind dropping down and traveling
Speaker 1: between the two as long as they can reach it
Speaker 1: over tonight.
Speaker 2: Yes, so the way it's shaken out. There is another
Speaker 2: I believe it's in September. The Arizona trip is actually
Speaker 2: they've moved it around the target location. It was going
Speaker 2: to be very close to the Arizona I mean to
Speaker 2: the New Mexico border, but then they finally found a
Speaker 2: sweet spot. So it's actually going to be in New Mexico,
Speaker 2: down in the Gilas, and the Gilas is one of
Speaker 2: those sky island areas where it gets real high elevation.
Speaker 2: I remember the first time I saw a bunch of
Speaker 2: photos from there, I'm like, that's southern New Mexico because
Speaker 2: it looked like Montana in the spring, and because it's
Speaker 2: so high and wet, and there was like so much
Speaker 2: elk and deer and all kinds of stuff. But it's
Speaker 2: a function of elevation. And the one thing about the
Speaker 2: sky islands in the Southwest, in the summertime, the hottest
Speaker 2: time of the year where it gets blistering hot in
Speaker 2: the lowlands those sky islands, that's the time of year
Speaker 2: where it gets the rains, the monsoon rains coming up
Speaker 2: like the human moisture coming up from the south like
Speaker 2: out of like the either of the Gulf of Mexico
Speaker 2: the Sea of Cortes, but it gets that moisture coming
Speaker 2: up and it just dumps in those mountains. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of rain all throughout the summer in those
Speaker 2: high areas. Oh, and I saw that effect myself in
Speaker 2: Arizona when I went on the last Arizona trip I
Speaker 2: went to. Was on the place side I always wanted
Speaker 2: to go to and finally went to. It was on
Speaker 2: the north rim of the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Oh. I've heard great things out of that area, but
Speaker 1: never been myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what was amazing was so I flew into
Speaker 2: Salt Lakes, connected through Salt Lake City and then came
Speaker 2: down into Saint George and then drove from there from
Speaker 2: Saint George over, you know, kept kind of like jogging
Speaker 2: like towards the southeast over toward the North Rim. And
Speaker 2: so when you do that, you go from Saint George,
Speaker 2: you're you're kind of for at least for that part
Speaker 2: of the country, you're in low elevation, and then you're
Speaker 2: going up and up and up, and finally when you
Speaker 2: get over by the North Rim, you're in like around
Speaker 2: nine thousand feet you're really high.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 2: So I remember the day I came back, it was
Speaker 2: like cloudy and in the sixties and raining. It was
Speaker 2: like it was like New England, rainstorm on and off, clouds, raining,
Speaker 2: the roads slick. I driving out of the North Rim
Speaker 2: and by the time I got back was headed back
Speaker 2: towards Saint George. It was one hundred and ten degrees
Speaker 2: in Saint George on the same day that it was
Speaker 2: just raining, casts and dogs on the North Rim. So
Speaker 2: there you have the effect of that kind of moist
Speaker 2: air are coming up from the south and if the
Speaker 2: mountains push it up high enough, it dumps a lot
Speaker 2: of rain on the high to you know, the high country.
Speaker 2: But then when it you know, it gets over the
Speaker 2: low country, it's just like this heat that just scorching heat.
Speaker 2: So that that applies to a lot of the Southwest,
Speaker 2: the Sky Islands getting rain in the summer and the
Speaker 2: lowlands just getting baked to hell. Like I don't even
Speaker 2: understand how you can live in Phoenix throughout the summer,
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of people who lived like
Speaker 2: get they get the hell out of town in the
Speaker 2: summertime because they would just that would be be like
Speaker 2: living in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Hey, well, you know, Matt, speaking of getting the hell
Speaker 1: out of town, we're a little overtime right now. Why
Speaker 1: don't we hop over to the membership section because we
Speaker 1: have a bunch of questions from our members for you.
Speaker 1: We announced your your appearance today, so we have a
Speaker 1: bunch of submitted questions from our members and we can
Speaker 1: go over there and then clean things up over there. Sure,
Speaker 1: all right, bebe Matt, Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to share with us real fast, Anything
Speaker 1: you want to push or plug, any of your expeditions
Speaker 1: you just announced, or something you want people to go in.
Speaker 2: There's only a handful of expeditions that still have slots
Speaker 2: available for the rest of this year. And you can
Speaker 2: see on I mean, if you want to see what's
Speaker 2: going on with the BFRO, the best place to go
Speaker 2: is on Facebook in the Facebook group section, and you
Speaker 2: look up the group BFRO nineteen ninety five. And I
Speaker 2: say that BFR nineteen ninety five because if you just
Speaker 2: look up BFRO, there's actually some fake groups pretending to
Speaker 2: be us calling themselves BFRO, and they have our banner
Speaker 2: and it's really just a ripoff. But Facebook won't do
Speaker 2: anything about them. Because they say, oh, yeah, those are
Speaker 2: just fan sites. So yeah, BFRO nineteen ninety five, And
Speaker 2: you'll see the posts where we're talking about like that.
Speaker 2: That's where we post the most you know, up to
Speaker 2: date stuff going on. And there's a recent post that
Speaker 2: has the list of the remaining twenty twenty five trips
Speaker 2: where there's still openings and non members can join.
Speaker 3: You got a message for those imposters out there that
Speaker 3: are faking BFR accounts.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to draw give them too much attention,
Speaker 2: And all I can say is I would want to
Speaker 2: address the people who might be confused by them, and
Speaker 2: that is to say, if you're looking at a Facebook
Speaker 2: group and you're wondering whether or not it's us, look
Speaker 2: at the number of followers, because we're the ones that
Speaker 2: have like about one hundred thousand people on our Facebook group,
Speaker 2: and these fakers don't have anything close to that and
Speaker 2: they can't. It's it's hard for them to fake having
Speaker 2: followers that they that many followers if they don't actually
Speaker 2: have that many followers. So look for the look for
Speaker 2: the subscriber count, and the one that's around one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand is the real BFR out.
Speaker 3: I thought you're going to have a message of telling
Speaker 3: them a bunch of losers.
Speaker 2: I would, but as I have found with people who
Speaker 2: are trying to troll some of the posts, it's like
Speaker 2: that gratifies them. If I start calling them names. It's
Speaker 2: just like they feel like they've gotten under my skin
Speaker 2: or gotten out of a rise from me. So it's
Speaker 2: just like I'm not even gonna not even get to
Speaker 2: give them that satisfaction.
Speaker 3: It satisfies us.
Speaker 1: You say what we're all thinking, Matt, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well I have some choice. Well anyway, let's
Speaker 2: go to the questions and maybe i'll maybe I'll have
Speaker 2: some good insults for those people.
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, if you want to, If you want
Speaker 3: to hear Matt insult imposters, join Patreon. We'll be going
Speaker 3: there right now. For all you good listeners, thanks for
Speaker 3: joining us this week, and the illustrious Matt Moneymaker. It's
Speaker 3: awesome he is here again so soon, So thanks to Matt,
Speaker 3: and until next week, y'all, keep it Squatchy.
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