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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Hacking Your Leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Chris and I'm Lorenzo.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lorenzo.

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<v Speaker 3>On this episode, we're continuing our discussion on the advice

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<v Speaker 3>that coaches would give to their younger selves, based on

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<v Speaker 3>the Forbes article which we are linking the podcast description.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been a fascinating and great conversation to have

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<v Speaker 3>over the last few episodes because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>great advice in here. As you know, they put it

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<v Speaker 3>together from the coach's counsel. These are people who who

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<v Speaker 3>coach for a living and are renowned for doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>and they went through and put together this list of

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<v Speaker 3>things that they would make sure that they would they

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<v Speaker 3>go back in time and tell their younger selves to

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<v Speaker 3>do these things that they would. On the last episode,

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<v Speaker 3>if you haven't listened to it yet, we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>the importance of resilience and the importance of asking questions.

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<v Speaker 3>On this episode, the first one I want to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about is this idea of dreaming bigger, kind of thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about your dreams not just in terms of what you

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<v Speaker 3>think is possible right now, but maybe even something that

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<v Speaker 3>at first glance you might not think is possible.

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<v Speaker 1>To begin with, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't go there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's you know, it's it's funny we

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<v Speaker 4>hear these terms sometimes and like my initial reaction and

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just admit to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like sometimes I roll my eyes. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, right, Like what right you do it? Ever? Right? Right? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 4>But then when I think about it, then I have

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<v Speaker 4>to hold myself accountable and be like, well, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 4>I actually tell people to do this all the time, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like I you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>if I'm gonna throw rocks, it's gonna be from this

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<v Speaker 4>glasshouse over here, because I'm definitely doing this and uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And in the context of which in kind of when

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<v Speaker 4>I read it and think about it in this situation

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<v Speaker 4>is like I am constantly telling people like, don't just

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<v Speaker 4>goal set for the next thing or the next job

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<v Speaker 4>or the next title. Right, I'm saying things like don't

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<v Speaker 4>confuse mile markers with milestones, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like these are when you're in.

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<v Speaker 4>Leadership leadership development, you're in a leadership journey. These titles

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<v Speaker 4>and these jobs are like just the next level of

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<v Speaker 4>responsibility that you're gonna have on your journey of continuing

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<v Speaker 4>to like hell to inspire, influence and empower people, and

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<v Speaker 4>and for me, when I read this the second time,

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<v Speaker 4>I go, oh yeah, Like that's kind of what I

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<v Speaker 4>get out of it is like, don't just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>set your goals as like just the next thing or

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<v Speaker 4>or limit them to like what you think you can

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<v Speaker 4>do now, really think about and consider like what am I?

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<v Speaker 4>What am I trying to accomplish with all of this?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what do I really want to do with this?

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<v Speaker 2>What am I? What am I? You know? What's my

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<v Speaker 2>one year, five year, ten year plan?

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<v Speaker 4>If I if I if I apply myself to this

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<v Speaker 4>thing today, what would be the ultimate outcome of that?

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<v Speaker 4>Like how could I be so good at it that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm able to build a career, buy a home, retire early.

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<v Speaker 2>Like whatever that might be.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you start to think about it with these

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<v Speaker 4>larger goals, it pushes you to have to like apply

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<v Speaker 4>yourself and focus yourself and really spend the time making

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<v Speaker 4>sure that when you do the work, you are doing

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<v Speaker 4>it at a level that is kind of pushing you

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<v Speaker 4>forward faster. That's kind of what I read when I

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<v Speaker 4>read it around like dreaming bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right?

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<v Speaker 3>I like what what you started with around you know,

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<v Speaker 3>telling people to do this and then and then rolling

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<v Speaker 3>your eyes when they do. Right, it's like, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to dream bigger, all right, I'm gonna start my own company.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa slower roll there, You're like, let's say.

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<v Speaker 3>Not too big, not too big, you know, but but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we all have a tendency to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that kind of that that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>plays into a little bit about maybe some of the

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<v Speaker 3>other advice we've heard in this series when it says,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, don't put too much stock in your naysayers, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we I think it's human nature to have

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<v Speaker 3>a tendency to do that to others when you when

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<v Speaker 3>you hear somebody saying they have a big goal and

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<v Speaker 3>they articulate what that is, and then you know, even

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't out release say it, even if you're

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<v Speaker 3>even if you're telling them, yeah, you go get it,

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<v Speaker 3>in your mind, you might be rolling your eyes a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit. I think what that where that comes from

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<v Speaker 3>is the fact that so few people do this and

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<v Speaker 3>do this well. They so few people actually put their

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<v Speaker 3>dreams into into action and and and from a bigger

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<v Speaker 3>standpoint that we don't see it very often. So we

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<v Speaker 3>just assume that the majority of people who say they

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<v Speaker 3>are going to or or even articulate a goal, that

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<v Speaker 3>they're not going to follow through on what it takes

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<v Speaker 3>to get there. And that's because quite honestly, many people don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Many people don't follow through. And it's it's, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a fear of failure, a fear of success, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the lack of comfort associated with stepping outside where you

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<v Speaker 3>are in order to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that that old saying, if you keep doing what

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<v Speaker 3>you've always done, you're going to keep getting what you've

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<v Speaker 3>always got, which means if you want something different or

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<v Speaker 3>bigger than what you're currently getting, there's no way to

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<v Speaker 3>get there by continuing to do what you're doing now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just impossible. All you all you could do is

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<v Speaker 3>get better at what you're currently doing. And so when

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<v Speaker 3>when it's when you're talking about dreaming bigger, I think this,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't just oh what I'm doing now, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to do it for more people, or I want to

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<v Speaker 3>do this at a bigger level. I mean, those are

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<v Speaker 3>mile markers along the way, but these when when I

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<v Speaker 3>hear dreaming bigger. I think, what are you trying to

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<v Speaker 3>accomplish as a whole in what you're doing. So, if

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<v Speaker 3>your passion is leadership and you want to help people

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<v Speaker 3>develop into leaders and become better leaders, what does that

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that?

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<v Speaker 3>Does that look like just whatever you're doing now for

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of your life. If that's fine and you're

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<v Speaker 3>happy with that, and you can articulate that, then then

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<v Speaker 3>by all means, you know, be happy. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>if that doesn't sound like enough to you, if there's

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<v Speaker 3>something more that you want to do because you love

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<v Speaker 3>this aspect of your life, if you love this aspect

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<v Speaker 3>of your career and you wanted doing bigger with it,

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<v Speaker 3>what does that actually look like? You need to define

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<v Speaker 3>what that is, even if it seems like it would

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<v Speaker 3>take years or thousands of hours to get there. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what dreaming bigger is. But you have to articulate

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<v Speaker 3>it or it will never happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think about you know, a lot of a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of my creative projects. I you know, in full transparency,

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<v Speaker 4>I think in my younger career, for a long time

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<v Speaker 4>I just didn't I was just like, hey, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna work hard, I'm gonna have some fun, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>learn lessons, like I I'm gonna apply myself so that

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<v Speaker 4>like maybe the next job or the next opportunity, like

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be a you know, a good candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>For that type of thing. So like it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 4>It was, yeah, exactly right, Like it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>it's to your point, Like you hear people like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's my first job here, like my first day at

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<v Speaker 4>the work, and like, well, like what do you want

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<v Speaker 4>to accomplish while you're here?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be the CEO?

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<v Speaker 4>And you're like, well, hold on, like you know, like okay,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm not saying you can't, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of steps right to get to there, so you kind

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<v Speaker 4>of have to apply yourself to get to there. So

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<v Speaker 4>like I think that there's like there's those kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like big big dreams. Then I think there's the the

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<v Speaker 4>big dreams that are are not. Just like I'll give

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<v Speaker 4>you an example. I do this in the creative space.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I said, I don't do it so much. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>I've not done it so much previously, like as a

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<v Speaker 4>younger leader, but in the creative space, I will do

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<v Speaker 4>things like, well, I want to create this thing, or

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<v Speaker 4>do this thing, and I don't want to just like

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<v Speaker 4>write it and then like have it on my computer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I used to in the music industry.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to be like I don't want to make

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<v Speaker 4>songs to play in my car, right, Like, like I,

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<v Speaker 4>if we're going to make songs, let's do them in

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<v Speaker 4>such a way and then let's go and let's push

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<v Speaker 4>and market and use a network and like try to

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<v Speaker 4>get people to listen to these songs see if we

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<v Speaker 4>can get them placed on something or do something with them.

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<v Speaker 4>And I feel the same way in some of the

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<v Speaker 4>creative things that I've done where it's like, well, if

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to write this, I don't want to just

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<v Speaker 4>write it and say that I wrote something.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to publish it. I want to actually like

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<v Speaker 4>I want like I want to be able to like

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to do all those types of things. So

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<v Speaker 4>that to me is kind of how I read this

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<v Speaker 4>and kind of what you were talking through is like

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<v Speaker 4>it it puts you in a different mindset around taking

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<v Speaker 4>the time and commitments and perseverance to see it all

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<v Speaker 4>the way through through when you have dreams that are

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<v Speaker 4>both big but also like, you know, achievable and like

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<v Speaker 4>something that you can see from taking steps as you go,

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<v Speaker 4>even if it might take you three, four or five years,

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<v Speaker 4>it's something that you can consistently apply yourself towards.

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<v Speaker 2>To eventually get done.

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<v Speaker 3>Right Well, I mean, we've heard for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>about the importance of having goals that have different timelines,

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<v Speaker 3>right Like, if your only goal on your first day

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<v Speaker 3>at work is to be the CEO, even if you

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<v Speaker 3>are completely self aware of the time and years and

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<v Speaker 3>effort it will take to get there, I mean, what

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<v Speaker 3>how you're going to feel very unfulfilled if that's your

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<v Speaker 3>only goal for the next twenty years, right Like, You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to have goals along the way too. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's the dreaming bigger doesn't mean to forego the dreams

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<v Speaker 3>that you have that are accomplishable in you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>next thirty days, one year, five years. Dreaming bigger might

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<v Speaker 3>be a goal that it could take you a decade

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<v Speaker 3>to do or even longer, but the importance of articulating

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<v Speaker 3>what that is, even if you know it might change

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<v Speaker 3>later on down the road. There's there's this thing that

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<v Speaker 3>happens inside us when we start looking at that dream

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<v Speaker 3>that we've articulated or written down or that is important

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<v Speaker 3>to us as as through the lens of everything that

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<v Speaker 3>we do every day. So it is what I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>right now in spirit of getting closer to that dream

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<v Speaker 3>or that goal. And you can very easily decide whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not that is and be honest with yourself about

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing to get towards it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an old saying that I like.

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<v Speaker 3>It says I'm not there yet, but I'm closer than

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<v Speaker 3>It's can you look at yourself in the mirror and say,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a euphemism for in the past. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>as it doesn't have to be every single day, but

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<v Speaker 1>Where there's actual effort being put in.

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<v Speaker 3>And even if even if you're talking about things like

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<v Speaker 3>down by a thousand people but when that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>that you're not closer than you were yesterday. It means

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<v Speaker 3>This, the closer you are to a yes, because you

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<v Speaker 3>you're closer because you asked. And and that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>You care about.

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<v Speaker 3>You've you've articulated it because you think someone it's important

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<v Speaker 3>how to recognize that.

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<v Speaker 1>But oftentimes it's not that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oftentimes it's a a If I put this effort into

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<v Speaker 3>to have it just stay that dream or that goal

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to putting effort towards it. And I'm absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>guilty of doing that in my life at times, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people are too. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it because because when you've when you've built something up

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<v Speaker 3>the the loss of that thing, either because you admit

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<v Speaker 3>and you and you gave it every effort possible and

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't work out. You know that that that is

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<v Speaker 3>a problem for a lot of people. But but if

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<v Speaker 3>you can look at it through the lens of instead, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not because if it doesn't pan out, it how

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<v Speaker 3>think about how freeing that is to you to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to allow you to create something different instead, to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to come up with a different goal if

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<v Speaker 3>one of them doesn't pan out. Because oftentimes when you

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<v Speaker 3>abandon a dream or a goal, it's because you're in

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<v Speaker 3>a different.

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<v Speaker 1>Space at the time that you left it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then at the time you created it, you're a different person,

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<v Speaker 3>You have different experiences, and it's okay to change what.

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<v Speaker 1>Those dreams and goals are.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just really important that they exist, even if they

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<v Speaker 3>change along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's one of those funny things.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of like if you are applying yourself and

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<v Speaker 4>working towards looking to accomplish something, and you have a

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<v Speaker 4>that the actions that you're taking to achieve the thing

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<v Speaker 4>are sometimes many times more important than the actual thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're putting yourself in a space that as you

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<v Speaker 4>go down that road, you'll stumble into something else that

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<v Speaker 4>you're like, actually, this is actually what I want to do,

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<v Speaker 4>this is actually what I really really enjoy, and you've

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<v Speaker 4>built these behaviors that help you to then achieve that thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So like progress, you know, forward progress, and any any

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<v Speaker 4>movement is progress, right, And I think that's that's a

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<v Speaker 4>big part of that is just being able to be

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<v Speaker 4>okay with just I'm going to apply myself and see

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<v Speaker 4>what happens, and it might not be what I thought

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<v Speaker 4>it was, but I will be further along on my

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<v Speaker 4>journey than I was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially in the context of network, because if what you're

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<v Speaker 3>if the the efforts that you're doing towards that dream

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<v Speaker 3>or that goal, involve others, which oftentimes they do, and

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<v Speaker 3>and they really should, because if we're talking about dreaming bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>these the goals and dreams that we're talking about usually

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<v Speaker 3>can't be accomplished, you know, in a basement by yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like at some point in time, even if

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<v Speaker 3>composing music or writing a book or there's there's at

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<v Speaker 3>some point you'll have to involve somebody else to get.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire thing done.

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<v Speaker 3>And and when you involve other people, there's something that

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<v Speaker 3>is contagious and magnetic about a person who is actively

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<v Speaker 3>working towards their goals and their dreams that their network sees.

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<v Speaker 3>And so even if that goal of that dream doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>pan out exactly the way you wanted it to the

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<v Speaker 3>impact that you have made on yourself for the doors

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<v Speaker 3>that will open by the people who saw the efforts

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<v Speaker 3>you were putting in and will open doors and windows

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<v Speaker 3>for you, that cannot be understated. Because some of the

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<v Speaker 3>most amazing career opportunities I've ever had came out of

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere based on a network that was made years earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Where great work was done together and the work ethic

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<v Speaker 3>and the values were shared, and people don't forget people

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<v Speaker 3>who share those things with them. And then the next

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<v Speaker 3>thing comes up and it's like, who can I get

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<v Speaker 3>involved with this project that I have this huge thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I know shares my values and shares my work

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<v Speaker 3>ethic and will work hard to get done. Oh, Lorenzo,

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<v Speaker 3>we worked together, like, you know, five years ago that

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<v Speaker 3>other company that we were at. You know, he's somebody

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<v Speaker 3>I'd want involved in this. Absolutely, put efforts into those

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<v Speaker 3>things when it comes to your goals, because you never

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<v Speaker 3>know where that will pan out. The effort towards the

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<v Speaker 3>one thing is really just an effort as a whole

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of, you know, moving yourself forward towards whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The next goal is.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and with that it brings us to this episodes

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<v Speaker 4>one Minute Hack. But first a few words from our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, for this episode one Minute Hack, here's what

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to do. I want you to write

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<v Speaker 3>down a long term dream or goal that is so

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<v Speaker 3>far long term that it truly is not possible to

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<v Speaker 3>accomplish in the next year. It has to be bigger

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<v Speaker 3>than that, because when we're talking about dreaming bigger here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a goal that will take a considerable amount of

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<v Speaker 3>concerted and sustained effort in order to get there. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not something you can accomplish over a weekend. So write

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<v Speaker 3>down what that is, whatever it is for you, and

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<v Speaker 3>then write down some of the behaviors that it will

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<v Speaker 3>take to accomplish. And they don't be exact, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know what they are. You know what some of them

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<v Speaker 3>are that you have to do in order to accomplish something.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're going through your day to day life, you

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<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that you are doing something in

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<v Speaker 3>spirit of that goal, because even if it's not something

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<v Speaker 3>you can add together like a one plus one equals

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<v Speaker 3>too now, eventually I'll get there. Some of these things

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<v Speaker 3>might be vague and far enough in the future where

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know exactly what they are, but if you

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<v Speaker 3>can articulate what the goal is, then it should be

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<v Speaker 3>pretty easy to articulate what behaviors or actions are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be needed in order to get there, at least

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<v Speaker 3>some of them. And then you have no choice but

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<v Speaker 3>to look at yourself in the mirror every day and say,

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<v Speaker 3>did I do some of these things? Did I take

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<v Speaker 3>this effort, even if it's an hour or thirty minutes

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<v Speaker 3>or ten minutes, find time every day to do something

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<v Speaker 3>in spirit of what that goal is and the feeling

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<v Speaker 3>that you will get from accomplishing just that thing. That

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<v Speaker 3>effort towards it will almost become a self sustaining cycle

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<v Speaker 3>that will lead you to want to put more and

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<v Speaker 3>more effort in, because just getting it off the ground

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<v Speaker 3>to begin with, meaning getting yourself off the ground and

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<v Speaker 3>putting the effort in to begin with, can sometimes be

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<v Speaker 3>the hardest part. Once you can see yourself doing that

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<v Speaker 3>work and getting towards that, you'll become better at it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll very quickly realize whether or not that dream

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<v Speaker 3>that you articulated either a, yes, that is exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do and I love that that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote down, or maybe this is not the right thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no way to know unless you put effort

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<v Speaker 3>towards it and kind of see how that feels.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's a great hack, and like, look,

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<v Speaker 4>the reality is like we don't do this enough.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's one of the things that if you watch

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<v Speaker 4>any type of videos around like getting yourself focused and

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to achieve big goals and wanted to accomplish things.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like taking the time to really sit down and

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<v Speaker 4>do that is something that everybody suggests, but most of

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<v Speaker 4>us don't do that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't take the time to sit down and like

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<v Speaker 4>really plan that out what I typically would do, like

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<v Speaker 4>what are the things that I'm in that I'm into

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<v Speaker 4>doing right now, what are some things that I've considered

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<v Speaker 4>and thought about, what are some goals that I have

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<v Speaker 4>for like the next year, and then try to make

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<v Speaker 4>that into two or three things. And it's like that's

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<v Speaker 4>probably my best effort that I've put towards it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've had some success with that, but it's definitely not

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<v Speaker 4>to the level of really thinking about applying myself to

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<v Speaker 4>things both personally, professionally and creatively that then, really to

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<v Speaker 4>your point, like force me to have to apply a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of behaviors and focus and commitment and perseverance and

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<v Speaker 4>those types of things that then, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>move me faster in life in multiple ways. So like

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's like, over time, we get better at

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<v Speaker 4>some success with it. Then we kind of allow that

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<v Speaker 4>to be the thing, and we don't push harder or

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<v Speaker 4>clarify more, or go heavier into it. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's a great woman to hack, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think about all the all the people out there

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<v Speaker 3>who you know, they their goal was to be a

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<v Speaker 3>professional something player whatever sport, baseball, basketball, whatever, and they

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<v Speaker 3>liked sports in general, and they were they were, they

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<v Speaker 3>were playing, and they they couldn't get towards that goal anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>They seemed to peak out and they couldn't get any better,

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<v Speaker 3>and people were passing them. But the effort they put

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<v Speaker 3>in in terms of their own athleticism, the time spent

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<v Speaker 3>in the gym, the time spent getting things done in

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<v Speaker 3>order to try to be that professional that player opened

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<v Speaker 3>a door to another sport altogether, and they ended up

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<v Speaker 3>becoming a professional something else player. So like their their

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<v Speaker 3>goal was to be a professional baseball player, they ended

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<v Speaker 3>up being a professional football player, or vice versa, because

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<v Speaker 3>they they realized that the one goal wasn't possible, but

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<v Speaker 3>the effort they put in towards that goal was absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>bringing closer to a lot of different paths or ava

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<v Speaker 3>is they could have gone down versus doing nothing at all,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know you're left right where you are.

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<v Speaker 3>If you do nothing at all, you will always stay

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<v Speaker 3>right where you are. So yeah, the effort you put

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<v Speaker 3>in towards any big goal like this will get you

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<v Speaker 3>closer to whatever that next thing is, even if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what that thing is yet.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and with that it brings us to the end

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<v Speaker 4>of this episode. This is hacking leadership. I'm Lorenzo and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Chris, and we'll talk to you all next time.
