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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate Body and Soul or

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should I just say bunny?

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Speaker 2: Hello, filthy movie lovers, something Weirdos and anti criterion brose

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to the thirty fourth episode of The Sin Syndicate, where

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to Know is to Love and we never forget our

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mother's Gang Bang spinal injury.

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Speaker 3: My name is Gentry Austen, writer and researcher, and I'm

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here with my co host, adult film historian Casey Scott,

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and we're digging deep into this exploitation Ledger this week,

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the Kurt Ledger, to be exact, as we look at

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the darkly comedic follow up to one of the nastiest

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ruffies of all time, director Kurt Ledgers epic erotic coming

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of age dramedy It's Rancy's Friday.

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Speaker 4: But before we welcome on this week's special guest by

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unpopular demand, we thought we'd warm ourselves up with a

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quick rundown of the New Beverly Cinema's recently unveiled March lineup,

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which is a continuation of last month's tribute to the

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old Aero Theater. But before that, I have a last

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minute update from Jane Garrett, author of John Willie, a

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Bizarre Life available everywhere books are sold. Who gave an

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introduction to a live screening of Satan in High Heels

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last Friday at the Beacon Theater in Seattle, so I

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will summarize her message. She said the screening went well.

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Lots of folks came out, people were laughing at all

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the right campy parts. She said, a lot of people

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showed up wearing their leather, which was great. She also

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said that the festival director, Deanna Berger, provided some background

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on the print they were watching, which was the same

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one that Something Weird Video used for their VHS release

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of the film in nineteen ninety three. Speaking of s WV,

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boss Lady Lisa Patrucci even passed along a nice message

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to the audience that's sweet. Jane also concluded by saying

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it was a lot of fun and the audience seemed

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really engaged and interested in her historical intro about Leonard

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Bertman and the mid century fetish industry. So all in

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all a huge success.

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Speaker 3: All right, March Arrows Calendar, New Beverly. Let's just get

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into this casey.

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Speaker 5: I think we that we're going to do this again.

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Speaker 3: I know, I think that we'll just we'll we'll kind

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of cruise through this because that other podcast I know

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is going to go much more in depth about them,

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so we'll just give our quick thoughts. How does that sound?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're also biased, so yeah, it's not

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like they aren't directly connected to the venue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I am curious to listen to it though when it

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is released, because sometimes they have little nuggets about where

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the you know, the source prints are from, where they're sourcing.

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Speaker 5: I do like to know, yes, I do like to

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know that, right, And I feel like they also took

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some cues from you because a lot of stuff this

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month is over multiple days, which, right, you had said

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for February there are very few one night only things, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I did like that. Yeah, I was like, wait, actually,

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there's not that much for us to cover because it is, Yeah,

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it is spanning multiple days for some of these.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and for as many people as complaining about this, already,

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very very few actual sex films on this release. It's

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a lot of foreign foreign art films, American NC seventeen titles,

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euro horror, women in prison stuff like there's Yeah, so

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this is actually a safer schedule than last month, which

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I'm not complaining about but people will well.

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Speaker 3: They're kicking it. They're kicking it off. With the Casey

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approved Alice in Wonderland, which you just screened.

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Speaker 5: I did, whichever went over very well. I don't know

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if it's the same print, though, with the opening promo

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for Wizard of Oz, which I posted about all over

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the place that that's the only photographic evidence that that's

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the only thing that was ever shot for that movie

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was a promo with Christine De Bell and Jason Williams,

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and it was at the head of the print that

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was shown at Nighthawk. I don't know if it's the same.

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Speaker 3: Print, so that'll be an indicator if it is the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if that's it opens with Christine de Bell saying,

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exhumed films print. But yeah, this is a double feature

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that I actually suggested that they should do. Somebody should

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do it because they're both great. The music is good

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in both, and it's one's east coast, one's west coast.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's really funny. Yeah, if they are actually listening

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someone somewhere, I don't know. That's March second and third,

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so that's kicking off the month. There, March fourth and fifth,

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Adrian Lion Lolita. Yeah, what are your thoughts on this?

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it played theatrically. That's why I'm kind of maybe it

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must have played theatrical. They had prints, but I remember

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for some reason being associated with Showtime. Maybe it did

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a festival run. I don't care for it. Dominic Swain

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of Lolita because it's kind of impossible to film because

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all the film versions have made it so it looks sexier.

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actually is the movie. The movies are are a little

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too about the titillation, and they make you know, the

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hero of the movie a little too sympathetic. The book

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is not like that. So there's a lot of reckoning

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to do with both the book and the movie. Odd choice. Yeah,

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sue Lion one.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I wonder why they're not going to Kopberg.

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that it's sometimes it did capture some of the humor

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in the book better than the Adrian Line one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, if there's any humor in

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that one, is there. I feel like Lyne took it

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like wats more serious?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so from what I remember of it.

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But yeah, I saw Sean Baker posted like a story

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of you know, a screenshot of Lolita the poster, and

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he was excited about it. So I'm sure he's going

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to get some hate mail from all the people online

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that are like, this is child porn. Of course Quentin

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Tarantino's showing it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody said that, and I was like, there, no,

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there's no They showed that last month. It was called

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Buckingham Sexual and that already was shown. Stop is that

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was already shown. We already saw underage girls, and they've

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showed defiance a good that would have been not great

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or by elation Claudia. But but yeah, Sean Baker, until

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you follow us back, You're kind of on my shit list,

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so follow us back? What's the problem. Yeah, they're sand

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure his mentions are just insane. So even

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if I did tag him, he's not going to see it.

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Speaker 5: So right, well, we need to wait until one of

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our releases comes out and then he gets it and

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then he's like, oh right, I'm not following these guys

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because he followed not only two in the Pinky, we

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followed their individual instagram. So I'm like, hum, I know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on now, Yeah, which release is he going

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to pick up soon that might have us on it?

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Speaker 5: Well, we can't really probably the well, the keinot one probably, well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we'll kind of probably get into it

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a little bit as we get through this. But yeah,

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some of the remarks online about this have been ridiculous,

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just like, look, there there's nothing in here that is

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you know, that is child porn, just.

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Speaker 5: Because it's also not a sex film. It's an R

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rated film. Yeah, it's not even erotic, it's not erotic,

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so it's like it's it's so we're already beginning early

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this month of something that is not an erotic film

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or a sex film, but it's because it's programming in

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the vicinity of these films, people are going to think, oh,

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just more sex films, Like this is an R rated

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feature with Jeremy Irons Donic Swayin, directed by Adrian Lyne.

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It is not a sex film, so you'll hear that

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a lot as we go through this this calendar too.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I just remember, this is like going down memory lane.

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Jeremy Irons reading it and it was amazing.

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Speaker 5: So that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has such a great voice for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's good.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, Faster Pussycat Kill, Kill, and Motorcycle March sixth, seventh,

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and eighth, three days for russ Meyer double feature. I

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like it.

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Speaker 5: It's perfect, and both of those movies are great. You

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get to see Motorsca was great because of Hodgy. Then

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Faster Pussy Got Kill, Kill is start to finish perfection.

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So that yeah, definitely, I would go all three days

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if I could. I love all three there's so much Yeah. Yeah,

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because I would want to see the reactions of the

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different crowds. And I love both of those movies.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, great, great double feature March ninth. Yeah, this

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is a funny one. They're doing Italian sex comedies. This

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is for Sean Baker. Apparently he's making an Italian sex

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comedy inspired movie. That's what he says, So maybe he'll

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show up to this. Hopefully it's funny, funny Antonelli, Gean

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Speaker 5: Laura Antonelli, somebody loves her. I don't get it. We

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we don't have a Glory Guida movie, but Sex with

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a Smile, we at the very least have Ed Vi

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Speaker 3: That's good casting, and Thomas Million's in that, but it's

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Speaker 7: He's not.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, Marty Feldman. Thomas Million is no Franco

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well in terms of attractiveness, now, Thomas Million is not attractive.

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He's not sexy Tabio Testi and Franco Narrow smoking hot. Yeah,

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like romantic weeds and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, this is gonna be interesting because with

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regard to these these Italian sexy comedies, even the ones

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it just the comedy just doesn't translate well.

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Speaker 5: So I think No Shame put out a few ages

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which is interesting because I feel like a box set

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but they got her on camera and it was the

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only time she's ever done an interview for for a

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blue ray release or a home video release of for stuff. Yeah,

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it's actually a smile is Martina, right, So yeah it's

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another Martino, Yeah, because she was married to his brother

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this will go over probably like a leadweight. But

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that's okay. I kind of like the idea that they're

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doing it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, show Girls is getting a three day window here,

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Speaker 5: Love that movie, but once again, not a sex movie.

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but yeah, I think it's It definitely indicates kind of

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how this month is not. This is not an Arrows movie. Yeah,

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this is like this is something they would show it

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like the Egyptian. This is like, this is a mainstream title.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're losing money on all these other days, so

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certain amount of money I think like twenty five hundred

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I thought she'd asked the same amount of money. And

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it's like, you pay her that money because you're gonna

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make it back because you get her on, you get

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her on the record talking about this major movie. The

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twenty five hundred dollars is worth it? Oh yeah, I

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think didn't else sports nigger make like ten k for

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doing a commentary for Conan, which is crazy because it's

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not even on camera and he had nothing to say.

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

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Speaker 5: I'm serious?

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the Conan commentary with with the director of that. I

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think he sat with the director. It was a long

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Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, we got March thirteenth and fourteenth.

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Going back to Pasolini, his decameerotics. They're doing the Cameron.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not really a Pasolini guy, are you.

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Speaker 5: I like everything around the Cameron and Cannonbird Tales and stuff.

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I don't care for those. Oh okay, I like Solo.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you like the can the Erotic Canterbury Tales movie,

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the hardcore film Pield.

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Speaker 5: The Tomato movie, No, the High paid oh, ribbled Tales

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of Canterbury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ribald, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do all right.

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March fifteenth, we have a wild one.

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Speaker 5: Gay porn finally. I mean, Forbidden Letters is great, and

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I forget the The supplier of these prints already mentioned

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what the second feature is, and I forget what it is.

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And I think there's a third feature that always that

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also is like a mystery feature. I love Braissan. Forbidden

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Letters is great. I think this is gonna go over,

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like you said, like the proverbial lead balloon with this audience. Yes,

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this is a very straight audience, so I think it's

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a it's a bold risk. I'm glad that they're including them.

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ones to do. Forbidden Letters is much more of an

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art film. But I forget what the other one is.

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It's on a Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh very I like that.

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Speaker 3: The day of our little bit law. I do love that, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I have nothing to say about that. I think, yeah,

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it'll be very curious to see the reactions.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: March sixteenth, Jess Franco double one Night Only, that's what

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I'm upset about give this two nights, guys. I agree,

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And these are two films that haven't really I don't

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think that they've gotten a nice US home video release,

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So yeah, there's some I think there's some rights issues

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there maybe, But these are two of Jess's YEA best

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sixty nine movies. I hope they I hope they do well.

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I hope people like them. I don't know. I think

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this is two good ones. If you're not familiar with Franco,

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these are two good ones to start with, very psychedelic, erotic,

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cool music. Yeah, what do you have to say?

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Speaker 5: I love them both.

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Speaker 7: Go see it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said, yeah, hopefully these get a

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home video release because yeah, both of these would be

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huge hits if Severn got them for UHD or whoever

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m right. March seventeenth and eighteenth.

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Speaker 6: What is this?

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Speaker 3: They don't even have a title for this pairing?

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Speaker 7: What is this?

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Speaker 3: Like women?

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Speaker 5: I don't either, I think so Women in Flames as

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nineteen eighty three film belders A sixty seven. The Bunuel

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film Women in Flames is so obscure that I'm not

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familiar with it. And I love Belderzoor so I would

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probably go see this double feature too, just because I'd

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like to know what Women in Flames is. I think

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it's a German film, German Swedish. Possibly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's housewives stepping out kind of thing. I guess

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the same.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Fellini's Casanova March nineteenth and twentieth.

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Speaker 5: Past my least one of my least favorite Fellini films.

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It's eve You're going to do? Actually, you know, we've

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probably one of the closest films the sex Boy that

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Felini did, because it's you know, it's very focused on

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this man obsessed with women and his his relationships with women.

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and extro in it. Oh she's a woman on the train. Yeah.

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Casanova is not good. It's Donald south Olnham ended up

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being annoying. Yeah, I don't care for it, so pass. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be another one of those cases where

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it's just like, this is one of the prints that

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they have access to.

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Speaker 5: So that's not and I'll say it again, not a

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reason to program something because you have a print. And

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also it's just it's not Yeah, it's not. It's not

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a sex folm as well, so it's just like if

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you're skipping with the arrows. I don't know. I think

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at this point they are kind of trying to be like, well,

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we want other people to come out, so we have

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to show stuff that isn't sex likes. It's CASA's is

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not great. So tyrcon Is is better too. That would

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have been good too.

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Speaker 3: March twenty first and twenty second, Your Favorite Guy, Radley

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Metzger double feature.

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Speaker 5: The only two two films of his only two softcore

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films of his that I can tolerate. Terrayson. Isabel Is

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a masterpiece and I've seen both of these theatrically at

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the Lincoln at Lincoln Center, Trayson. Isabelle is really incredible

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to see with an audience. It's really beautiful on the

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big screen. And liquorice Wartet is good. I like liquors Wartet.

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It's very good. So that's a good double feature.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 5: I would go to one of those two.

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Speaker 3: Yep, go see Frank Wolf on the big screen.

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Speaker 5: Guys y before he killed himself, Yeah, like literally before

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he killed himself, didn't kill himself, like a year after

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that movie came.

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Speaker 3: Out yeah pretty soon after. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love

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that guy anyways.

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Speaker 5: And also what's her face died too? The lead actress

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of that movie died tragically young too of cancer. Oh yeah,

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she was Camille in two thousand. Yeah, she died very

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young too. But Terrayson Isabel is also sie person who

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I'm obsessed with. She is one of probably my favorite

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Swedish actress ever. I love her so yeah, yep, that's

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a good one thumbs two thumbs up. Christina Lindbergh double

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oh boy m mmmm. Love both of these, The Depraved

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any differences in the Depraved

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version than the exposed titled version.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe so. I don't think Jerry because wasn't Depraved.

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I think it was cinnimation. I don't think it was

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at all. Yes, yeah, it was just a straight import.

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But it's great. I love Depraved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh you said that, you're yeah, you weren't sure

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how these were gonna go over. I mean I think

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the Depraved is gonna go over pretty well. I think

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there's no there's no really strong sexual assault. I mean,

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I'm just thinking about just.

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Speaker 5: The general distastefulness of that film. Sure, it's just distasteful,

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which is fine. I mean it lives up to the title.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Christina is amazing in that and that one.

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Speaker 5: She's great. She's great in them. Campus Swingers is a

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school girl report movie that might actually go over worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that I was gonna say, that's gonna go over

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way worse.

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Speaker 5: I I enjoy it though. I And you know what's funny.

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You know, I ordered all those from m v D

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finally on DVD. They finally shipped and they're arriving today,

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so I can actually get into my school good report mode.

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I love those problematic suckers. I'm sorry. Yes, you know

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there's something because I when I were up in Germany,

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I would watch them my late in I TV when

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my parents were asleep in Germans. So I would just

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watch these terrible sermons exploitation movies in German and it

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helped me learn the language, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Oh, do the m v D Blu rays have multiple

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language options?

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Speaker 5: They're the they're Impulse DVDs.

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Speaker 3: But are they Is there English? Is there an English

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dub on?

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Speaker 7: There?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: Just German and English subs. I have DVD rs of

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all of the like private screenings vhs, so I'll just

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shove them into the dB case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just curious. Yeah, Campus Swingers. I would love

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to watch the audience for that one. I mean, yeah,

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it's it's a it's a trip.

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Speaker 8: I like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it too. But March twenty fourth, twenty fifth,

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Henry and June.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, also not a sex film, mainstream something the seventeen

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art film.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like late night television a pass.

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Speaker 5: I'm not interested.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have nothing.

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Speaker 5: I love Philip Kaufman, but not interested.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you. March twenty sixth and twenty seventh. This

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is a fun one.

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Speaker 5: This is what we're talking about. Yeah, there's Alban very

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double feature, another absolute icon that I worshiped, and a

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monk is terrific because you always go Barbara Bouschet Slaughtter Hotel.

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She is kind of the best thing about that. There's

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no reason why she needed to show up on set

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and go as hard as she did in her performance

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in that film for that piece of garbage. She really

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brings it hard, and it's just like, you didn't need

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to be so good in this. This is clearly garbage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean knows it's garbage.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, correct, it's phoned in, but like she shows up

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looking gorgeous, really like bringing something to the portrayal of

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a ninfomaniac. She's very good. She's always good though, and

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she's great in a muck. I mean a muck is great.

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I'm very that is one. That's another one. I might

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go both nights actually, because I love Resolva that much.

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I would like to see audience reactions to nights in

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a road to her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those two girls, Bouchet and Resolve are gonna have

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some new fans for sure after that, I hope.

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Speaker 5: So you better believe I'm hot in those comments. I'm

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telling people, guys, focus focus, Let's lock in on the

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Bouchet of the Narry please, let's lock in and focus. Yeah,

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these are icons. Please.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually kind of sick. I almost wasn't sure if

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you were going to be a fan of a Muck

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or not. A lot of people I love a Muk.

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I don't like that movie even well, they're wrong, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, it is so good. It is so good. That

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was one when they came out on a DVD years

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ago through like DVD drive in. Actually, when they did,

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it was like a full frame VHS transfer, and they

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interviewed both Barbara and on like a because they live

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like literally down the street from each other, their next

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door neighbors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying that, and.

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Speaker 5: I still have that DVD. But yeah, I mean, what's

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not to love about that? The soundtrack is amazing. Oh yeah,

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you know that song sexually? Yeah, I mean it's so good. Yeah,

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actually I might watch I might watch that out to

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we finished recording.

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Speaker 3: You get to see Farley Granger like slutting. It actually

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good Italian era.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it has not phoned it. He doesn't phone it in. Yeah,

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I a muck is I love a muck. I loved

470
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,079
it even in the full frame version. So when it

471
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200
finally came out, I got the Camera obscura release and

472
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:34,759
it was like seeing it for the first time.

473
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I love that movie.

474
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,599
Speaker 3: March twenty eighth and twenty ninth, The Hot Box and

475
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,000
Terminal Island. It's kind of a drive in Women in

476
00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:44,960
Prison very much.

477
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,839
Speaker 5: So I love both movies, so I would go see both.

478
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,480
I love I preferred Terminal Island. Actually, the better double

479
00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:54,799
feature would probably be Sweet Sugar in Terminal Island because

480
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:58,640
they're both roth At least Rothman directed Terminal Island and

481
00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:02,200
she wrote Sweet Sugar. I think Sweet Sugar was the script,

482
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,559
the original script for something. But Hotbox is good. Hopbox's

483
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,000
Margaret Markoff, who's terrific. And so there's a few other

484
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,920
people in that. Lori Rose is in Hot Box, ak

485
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,960
Jennifer Brooks, some adult version of jackal and Hyde. But

486
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,200
Terminal Island is a masterpiece, and that's that's I've always

487
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:23,240
loved that movie. That's so good. So yeah, not sex films,

488
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,160
but I highly recommend both of.

489
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be a fun one. That's a fun weekend

490
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:34,000
weekend screening. And last, but definitely least, March thirtieth and

491
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,279
thirty first, Last Tango in Paris. I mean, historically, I

492
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,680
think we can agree it's an important film. I think

493
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,400
it sucks.

494
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: I have never liked it, and I was very mad

495
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,880
when it was reissued on the Districts label. And I

496
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,559
will say again Distripis wasn't happy about that either. It

497
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,079
wasn't their choice. But yeah, I also think it's an

498
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,880
interesting choice considering what we know now about the production

499
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,119
of that film, right, and how Marie Schnyder was mistreated

500
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,680
and essentially assaulted on camera without her knowledge.

501
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, these people that are haunting comments like saying it's

502
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:16,599
inappropriate to be showing Lolita. Adrian lines Lolita. This is

503
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,519
way more inappropriate from them, you know perspective, If that's

504
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,559
your perspective, that you know that we shouldn't be showing

505
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,279
any film that has there was inappropriate things going on

506
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,240
behind the scenes.

507
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 8: You know.

508
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,839
Speaker 3: It's funny that Alex, when we talked to him a

509
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960
few episodes ago, he talked about how that's sort of

510
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,599
a barrier he's he's seen that as a barrier in

511
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,000
his experience trying to show sixty sex films to people

512
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:43,279
that they all assume that, you know, there was nefarious

513
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,599
things going on behind the scenes, And I had never

514
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,759
considered that like that people would think that, but here's

515
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:49,440
a real time I.

516
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,319
Speaker 5: Don't know where they're yes, and I don't know where

517
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,799
they're getting that from. It's just it's just supposition that

518
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,240
any kind of film with sex as it's focus is

519
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,799
automatically taking advantage of women and they didn't sign up

520
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,319
for it, and there's like moral ambiguity there. But that's

521
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,160
not the case even in I mean even an adult

522
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,680
adults not squeaky clean either when it gets into hardcore.

523
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,119
But yeah, it's and also there were sleezy people in

524
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,440
softcore too, But no, this is a case of some

525
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:21,000
like a major director in a major star collaborating together

526
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,319
to make this This Woman's Life hell on set that

527
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,559
was that's a that's a that's a major motion picture.

528
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,279
It's not. It's not a sex film. So the fact

529
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:32,920
that it's happening on a mainstream set to tell you

530
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,119
where the real problems are, which is on the people

531
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,400
in power in Hollywood. That's the kind of shit that

532
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,119
they would do and get away with. That's what we're

533
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,319
talking about here, and.

534
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,559
Speaker 3: Which we've heard. We've heard people talk about that that

535
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,119
were in the business that you know, the low budget

536
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,640
exploitation films, that was the fun stuff, you know, where

537
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,039
there were no issues. But it's when they started going

538
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,720
to these mainstream Hollywood pictures where they ran into the

539
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:58,720
real sleeze bags.

540
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,319
Speaker 5: Right, So I say pass on that, not just for

541
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,559
moral reasons, but it's just it's also not it's just

542
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,359
not good. It's boring as hell. It's not erotic. Marlon

543
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,200
Brando keeps his clothes on for most of the movie

544
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,039
because he's fat and chicken shit, So.

545
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 6: It really is.

546
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 5: It really does been more exploitive when it's not equal opportunity,

547
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:20,039
nudity and sex.

548
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I just think he's

549
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:28,119
so annoying in that movie and it's just not great.

550
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,119
But I mean, if you haven't seen it before, I

551
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,200
think everyone should see it at least once. I'm not

552
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
someone who says you should never see a certain film

553
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:40,240
for any particular reason. Well I shouldn't say that. Maybe

554
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:43,759
that's going too far, but right, maybe there are some

555
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,559
films that I would completely say you should never see.

556
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,039
But well we won't go there. That's another dispecial.

557
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,319
Speaker 6: Right, So letatry.

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,799
Speaker 1: It's going to be long day to day. I mean,

559
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,519
his friends won't be here until eight o'clock. How the

560
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,599
hell am I supposed to entertained two married couples. He'll

561
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,039
probably look down the righteous noses it me.

562
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 6: And thank you slut.

563
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: Like episode thirty one love Land, where we looked at

564
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,720
Gary Kent's softcore hotel set Masterpiece, Secret Places, Secret Things

565
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:30,759
with guest Chris Poggiali, this week we gave our guests

566
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,920
carte blanche and his choice of film pick, and he

567
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,839
brought us another extremely underseen obscurity with currently less than

568
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:44,799
ten logged views on letterboxed. So I'm going to ask

569
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,200
him the same question I asked Chris Sean Langrick. Welcome.

570
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Who are you and why did you pick this movie?

571
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,559
Speaker 7: Well? I've been described by someone who will will not

572
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,839
name as a let's see, I got this written down

573
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,920
for the actual posting a keyboard jockey doing hack research

574
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,759
in my spare time. So that's that's who I Yeah,

575
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,519
so yeah, so thanks for having me. Who am I?

576
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,880
That's always a good question for our purposes. Today, we'll

577
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,839
say I'm a film researcher, historian, writer, talker, whatever. I

578
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,960
like films I like, especially you know the type of

579
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,400
films you guys cover, I'll put it that way. I've

580
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,920
always had a n act for research, and I was

581
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:32,920
I'm one of those guys who can't get through a

582
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
film without pausing at about three dozen times to you know,

583
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,160
look at who is that person? Where's that location? Especially

584
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,680
the locations. I have an especial special affinity for film locations,

585
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,480
which I guess is kind of how you know. Joe

586
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,039
Rubin from Vinegar Syndrome first noticed me. I started lurking

587
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,480
on the Vinegar Syndrome Facebook group about gosh, it's been

588
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,480
about seven years ago now, back what I consider the

589
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:59,759
golden era of that group, when we had folks like

590
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,559
Charles Devlin, who's still around very much still around, but

591
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:10,400
Christopher Elam and Greg Javor also rest in peace. Guys

592
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,519
like that, and there's a few other names who I

593
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,519
won't mention because they're no longer part of the group.

594
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,920
But I finally got up enough gumption to start posting

595
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,799
some comments and stuff myself and got noticed by Joe,

596
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,799
and the rest is history, I guess I could say.

597
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:24,039
Speaker 8: There.

598
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,559
Speaker 7: I think he also noticed took notice whenever I did

599
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,640
a personal on my personal blog. I posted an article

600
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,039
I'd done a very deep dive on Mickey Mouse movies

601
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,839
and not the kinds your kids watch, hopefully, but I

602
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,559
discovered that it was in some places and as a

603
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,119
certain period of code for adult movies, especially in Hawaii.

604
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,759
So I did a whole article on that, which I

605
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,839
think caught his attention, and so he started, you know,

606
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,400
we started chatting, and he eventually I got to meet

607
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,880
him when I was in New York one of the

608
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,839
trips I was up for. He was always sending me

609
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,559
stuff to hey, what do you think of this? Can

610
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,119
you look into this? That? That sort of stuff. That

611
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,519
led to a couple of opportunities to do film commentaries.

612
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,240
One for Titus Modies the Last of the American Hobos

613
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:11,920
and Titus will come back up in a minute, and

614
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:17,759
also the locations commentary for Hollywood nine two eight, which,

615
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240
by the way, Mark Edward Hoyke did a far better

616
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:24,039
commentary for that as he should have. That was his baby,

617
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,039
just dating for what fifteen years, I think to make

618
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,440
that that release happen. And you know, I've done a

619
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,640
number of other commentaries in the last few years. I

620
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,079
worked with Greg Javor who was doing the hardwood collection

621
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,720
for Severn on Edward's hard Core stuff. Although the film

622
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,519
I did the commentary for is not hard core. It's

623
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,000
the only house in town. And if this goes well,

624
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,799
I'd like to twist your guys's arm to come back

625
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,759
at some point and talk about that movie as well.

626
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Because we did a commentary then years past before it

627
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
came out, I found out a ton more stuff, correct

628
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,279
some stuff, redid the commentary, and seven put the wrong

629
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:06,480
one on the on the release. So I'd love the

630
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,039
opportunity to talk about that film, and Casey, I mean,

631
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:11,839
I'll twist your arm a lot on that. It's got

632
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,279
a course Oushi and Itola, It's got Jane come home.

633
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:15,599
We got it.

634
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: I think we kind of talked about it, didn't we, Casey,

635
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:20,720
when we were thinking about an Edward movie to cover.

636
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,799
Speaker 5: I don't recall I might have said now automatically, yeah,

637
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,839
I think you did. But the thing is, if Sean,

638
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,279
knowing Sean in his amount of research, that might be

639
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,519
the arm twisting I need, Because then it might it

640
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,119
would it would make me see it in a different

641
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,319
light than the whatever, whatever the hell that is now.

642
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,759
Speaker 7: Or less about the film, about everything around it, honestly, Yeah, yeah,

643
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,400
tracked down all the all the people in it. I've

644
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,039
tracked down the house. I've tracked down the guy that

645
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,279
rented in the house and interviewed him. So what more

646
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:51,960
do you need, Casey?

647
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 6: Damn?

648
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:53,759
Speaker 5: Well?

649
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 7: Uh yeah. So Titus Moody I mentioned earlier because of Joe.

650
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,519
You know, I guess I'm kind of an expert or

651
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,119
becoming an expert. I guess on Titus, I have a

652
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,960
whole archive of his personal and professional elements that I've

653
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,679
become the steward of and you know, I guess his

654
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,599
ghost has been prompting me enough. I'm, I guess now

655
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,519
officially writing a biography about Titus. Okay, so don't look

656
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:25,440
for that anytime soon. But I've interviewed his twin sister

657
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,360
quite extensively. At the end of last year, I've been

658
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,840
interviewing James Bryan, the director that worked with him on

659
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,639
Dirtiest Game, among other films, and we actually still talk

660
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,639
almost on a weekly basis now. So and I have

661
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,559
a growing amount of people I need to try to

662
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,639
find and also, you know, interview and other things I

663
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,199
want to other elements I want to try to get

664
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,559
a hold of as well. There, So that's kind of

665
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,159
who I am. Why did I want to talk about

666
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,039
Franci in particular and Kurt Ledger for the last twenty

667
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,039
eight years, I'm one of these old school guys. I've

668
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:02,800
worked at the same place for twenty eight years. It's

669
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,159
been bought and broken out and reacquired and all sorts

670
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,679
of stuff, but it's basically the same company, and it's

671
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,960
headquarters either it's global, it's regional, or whatever. Headquarters throughout

672
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:18,039
all that different eras has been in New Jersey, specifically

673
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:21,480
the Woodbridge, New Jersey area, So I kind of become

674
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,320
a second home for me. I work from home, but

675
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:25,519
you know, it used to be a lot more that

676
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:28,880
I would travel up there. But I got very familiar

677
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,559
and I am very familiar with that area. So when

678
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,840
I first got when that there had been a film

679
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,400
made in New Jersey and in that area, I had

680
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960
to find out more about it. Now, Francis one of

681
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,239
those films that was in that Distribute Pick sort of

682
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,679
they had to yank them in casey you know more

683
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,440
about that than I do, right, what happened with them?

684
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 5: Well, that one was actually that was one of the

685
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,440
last titles that something we'd released on DVDR. It was

686
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,519
in their second to last batch and they didn't even

687
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,199
say it was a District Picks title, So I think

688
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,159
they released it and they didn't even.

689
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 7: Attach it to They didn't know.

690
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't know if they yanked it or not.

691
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Because I after they stopped doing dvdrs, I kind of

692
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,519
lost and because I bought them all, so I lost,

693
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,119
I lost touch of what happened, what went out of print,

694
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:16,000
and what they kept making. So that wouldn't surprise me though,

695
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,239
what they had to, because I know Stephen had to

696
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,400
kind of make up with something weird after a while.

697
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,199
There was some stuff going on there.

698
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 7: But yeah, I believe when I asked Lisa, that's what

699
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,280
she had said. It was part of that distribut pick

700
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,440
sort of it. She wasn't. I mean, there's nothing that

701
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,800
would allude to that in the film or anything that

702
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,679
I've seen, but it was part of that or there was.

703
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,320
It was questionable perhaps, so you know, out of caution

704
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,039
that they yanked and everything, so it wasn't available, But Lisa,

705
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:45,440
in her enabling goodness, sent me the last copy she

706
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,559
had on the on the shelf for Christmas one year.

707
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,159
So that's how I first got a hold of it

708
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,000
there and it did not disappoint. The very first frame

709
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,559
I was a meeting, like I know exactly where that

710
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,800
is because i'd been my god, wow, I.

711
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,199
Speaker 3: Mean the first frame where Franci's on the hillside.

712
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,079
Speaker 7: Like the funeral scene, the cemetery.

713
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cemetery, Okay, yeah, In.

714
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,679
Speaker 7: Fact, I was just there two weeks ago. I have

715
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,719
to drop through that to get from my office to

716
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,000
the hotel. So that's how uh, And it's only the

717
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:22,920
first of many relations I have with the film itself.

718
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,000
But yeah, so that's why I got interested in And

719
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,719
of course, since I again am in New Jersey, or

720
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,199
have been in New Jersey a lot, I took the opportunity.

721
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,199
I was up there for an extended time for a

722
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,760
project two years ago, almost three years ago now, and

723
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,440
I had time that I wasn't in the office, so

724
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:44,320
I did a whole location sort of field trip, if

725
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,480
you will. So I'm moving to this when we get

726
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,119
into into the locations on the film. But I've the house,

727
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,199
I've been there. I've been to the car wash, I've

728
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,679
been to the airport, I've been to the house that

729
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,880
she came on the bus was filmed at. So so

730
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,840
again we'll get we'll get into that in more detail

731
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,079
as we dive into the films there. But that's why

732
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:05,800
I asked for these films, because I did spend some

733
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,880
time finding out about it, finding about at the locations,

734
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,639
finding about some of the people I've actually been. And

735
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,960
I am in contact with Curtis Ledger's daughter. We have

736
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,119
not had a chance to actually speak on the phone

737
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,199
because I'm terrible at scheduling, evidently, at least with her,

738
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,960
So that will hopefully happen in the next week, and

739
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,800
if anything new or interesting comes out, I'll let you

740
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,280
guys know when you can throw it in the show

741
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,639
notes there. But yeah, that was a long answer, Gentry.

742
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,880
Hopefully I won't be a long winded because we don't

743
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,480
have a lot of time.

744
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: So no, No, that was great. Yeah, that helped me

745
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,719
understand your connection with the movie for sure. Well let's

746
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,840
just start. You know, we talked about the home video

747
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,039
release a little bit. I want to see the trailer

748
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,039
for this. I haven't seen it yet. It's on Twisted

749
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,320
Sex Volume twenty. Have you guys seen the trailer?

750
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:49,639
Speaker 1: Not?

751
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

752
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: How do they frame the movie?

753
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: Like?

754
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,559
Speaker 3: Is you know, is anything interesting in that next movie?

755
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty It's a pretty standard S exploitation trailer.

756
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,960
There's not any footage in the trailer that isn't in

757
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:04,880
the film, so it doesn't have any alternate takes that

758
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,519
I remember. I but it's interesting to think of when

759
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:11,639
it came out and the fact that it's that it's

760
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,320
in black and white, which is very unusual.

761
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,159
Speaker 7: For that period. There was actually I found at least

762
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,800
one ad that claimed it was in color. Liars they had, Yeah,

763
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:24,960
and I went to Lisa and like, least, what what

764
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:26,920
is this is like that? That can't be that's only

765
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,559
ever been in black?

766
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, it can't be. Yeah, yeah, that's what. And that's

767
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:32,199
why I was kind of like, well, is this like

768
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,760
a black and white dupe nag? But I don't think

769
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,840
that's not It can't be the case, because yeah, I

770
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,880
think this was a movie lab thing and I think

771
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,000
it's the original camera negative for this. So yeah, even though.

772
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,159
Speaker 7: It's the DVD, are it looks good? At least the version?

773
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,079
Speaker 5: It absolutely does?

774
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. Does the DVDR come with any liner notes?

775
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:52,679
Was there anything written about it?

776
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: Lisa doing like it's just Lisa doing like a plot summary,

777
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,320
I think, saying the Kurt Ledger director, she came on bus,

778
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,920
and I think I think a little bit on Alicia Fontaine.

779
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:04,639
I think that's it.

780
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: And I did see in some of the ad mats that, yeah,

781
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,000
Kurt Ledger's name is attached to Branty's. So I'm curious

782
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,599
why he didn't put his name on she came on

783
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,159
the bus? If he directed that, maybe where maybe are.

784
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,159
Speaker 5: You you've seen the movie? You know why he wouldn't

785
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,639
put his name on the movie, are you?

786
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,039
Speaker 8: Yeah?

787
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: That's funny.

788
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,199
Speaker 7: I think, you know, I don't know that he directed

789
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,400
or wrote or I don't know what his involvement truly was,

790
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,920
and she came on the bus. I am one hundred

791
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,920
percent sure he was involved with it though, because again,

792
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,400
like I said, I've been to the house where it

793
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,960
was filmed. That was his parents and or grandparents' house.

794
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:47,440
So that's how I'm convinced he was somehow related to it.

795
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:51,280
Now where you know where it got whoever, I don't

796
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,079
know who it was said it was he wrote and

797
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,000
directed it or directed it or whatever. There it almost

798
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,119
feels like someone had been down the same pathway I

799
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,360
went down to find the house, and that they put

800
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,199
two and two together and maybe came up with that.

801
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:07,119
That's my best guess beyond that maybe someone maybe this

802
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,400
mysterious Peter Jackson, you know, or something. And by the

803
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,480
way that I know, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but

804
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,679
that Peter Jackson is not The IMDb entry for him

805
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,079
cannot be correct.

806
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:24,519
Speaker 5: Now, very very often isn't. Yeah, but you know what,

807
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,719
I kind of I'm at the point now where I

808
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,880
don't want to correct it because that's my form of gatekeeping.

809
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,119
I'm like, well, people can keep claiming that the people

810
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:38,239
who know know that that's incorrect. So that's my Jim

811
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:41,599
that's my Jim Holiday move of keeping certain things not

812
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,239
necessarily public. Yeah.

813
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, IMDb is so bad about people that have the

814
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400
same name that are clearly different people.

815
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 5: We just talked about that with Braham Place last week.

816
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we're going to run into another one of

817
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,159
those situations a little bit later when we talk about

818
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,519
another mysterious guy.

819
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: Well just the Yeah, we're talking about the opening of

820
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,320
Francis Friday here. So who what is lp R production?

821
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 7: Well, the Ledger, I think the P and the R.

822
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,199
I don't know. I don't know. I haven't found anything

823
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,199
else about what they were. I found out where they were, though,

824
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,400
at least some of their at least one of their addresses,

825
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,320
which wound up being the house that was filmed at.

826
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,079
So which again we're getting ahead of ourselves, but that

827
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,519
that that house has many many secrets to tell, not

828
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:53,880
all of which I have answers for.

829
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,559
Speaker 3: Okay, well, maybe you want to run down the Do

830
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,639
you want to run through Curtis chronology? Is that a

831
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,639
good place to start.

832
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what you.

833
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,599
Speaker 3: Found about this mysterious Curtis Ledger.

834
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 7: The beginning and end of it is he was born

835
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,119
in nineteen thirty and died in nineteen ninety, and in

836
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,840
between is where all the fun happened. Of course, he

837
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,400
from New Jersey area. He's one of these guys that

838
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,599
I think tried a little bit of everything that interests him.

839
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,159
We see a lot of these folks behind the scenes

840
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,480
in adult films and underground films, and he definitely fits

841
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,960
that mold. He actually, let me tell you what. Kenny Chandler,

842
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:35,320
who's the male star of Francy, I interviewed him a

843
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,960
couple of hours worth a few weeks ago, and let

844
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:39,960
me read you what his impression to Kurt was. I

845
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,880
think that's a good part actually, and I'm going to

846
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000
quote that said, Kurt was a strange man. I don't

847
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,440
know how he even got into doing a movie. One

848
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,519
of these guys you never knew what he was thinking.

849
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,719
A very mysterious guy. I mean, he was nice, he

850
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,800
was polite, did whatever we asked, and he reiterated that

851
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,280
he was a strange guy like three or four times there.

852
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,440
So that's that's the intro to mister Ledger.

853
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: There.

854
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,039
Speaker 7: So the stuff he was involved in that that I

855
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,119
was able to dig up. And this goes back to

856
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,480
the early fifties. Actually the early fifties, he was involved

857
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,199
in a couple of car dealerships in New Jersey. One

858
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,880
of them was called the first used car Dealership, the first.

859
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,360
I don't know if it was the first in the world.

860
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,920
I don't know why he was doing that, but he

861
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:26,760
was very markedly a promoter. We can we can tell

862
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,199
that he had in nineteen sixty one, he had a

863
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,960
company called Curtis Michael Associates. And the guy that was

864
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,679
the Michael was at Michael Nimitz and he's going to

865
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,519
show up again in a few minutes. And what that

866
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,760
Curtis Michael Associates did is they did shopping center sort

867
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,480
of Santa Clauses and you know, decorations for parades and

868
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:53,320
things like this. And one of the articles I found

869
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,280
from December sixty one they had a thirty four foot

870
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,360
Santa Claus at the Menlo Park shopping Center which is

871
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,440
now the Minlo part Mole and where they do have

872
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,320
the better Easter Bunny. By the way, my mind on

873
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,519
this went to, well, is this fun in balloon Land?

874
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,599
Is this somehow related to that? Answers, though I could

875
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:13,119
find no overlap whatsoever, even though I think they were

876
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,760
from Pennsylvania, where Ledger also had some footprints in, But

877
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,440
I found no connection there. Unfortunately, that was going to

878
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
be great if we did. But sixty two he started

879
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:28,159
Curtis G. Ledger Advertising Company, also Sports Leasing Corporation, and

880
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,320
in sixty four he got involved with the New York

881
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,679
World's Fair, the World's Fair that was held in New York.

882
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,760
He was I don't know if he was head of

883
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,800
or he was working with the Indonesia Pavilion, which had

884
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360
kind of assorted history, political history there was. I think

885
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,559
the fair ran two years. The Indonesian Pavilion was only

886
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,000
open one year because of political reasons, and there was

887
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:49,800
a whole thing there.

888
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: So he was designing there. What is he doing for it?

889
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 7: I think based on you know, based on his mechanical inclination.

890
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,760
I think it was something to do with the decorations.

891
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,800
I haven't got a real picture of what they had

892
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,960
at the Indonesia Pavilion, other than Skarna was very clear

893
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:11,480
that he didn't want the regular beauty pageants types escorting

894
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,519
people around. He wanted very proper Indonesian people doing that

895
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,440
but beyond that, I'm not sure. So I think it was,

896
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:20,679
you know, some kind of animatronics maybe I'm guessing, or

897
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,840
something along those lines. But he's not the only guy

898
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,679
that did work there, and we'll come to those in

899
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,800
a little bit as well. So then he did the

900
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,199
used Carlot I mentioned. Then in Philadelphia he had Ledger Displays,

901
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,079
another advertising type firm. Then in sixty four he had

902
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,880
some kind of legal trouble with his sports leasing and

903
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,880
a guy named Philip Stone that was I think his partner,

904
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,559
and I don't. I mean, it's tempting to think the

905
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,559
P and LPR might be Philip, but that doesn't really

906
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,079
make sense if he's using Ledger the last name, So

907
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,199
I don't think that was. I don't think he was

908
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,360
still around at that point. Then in sixty five he

909
00:46:56,599 --> 00:47:00,440
has In the sixties, you know, the slot car racing

910
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,239
was really popular, so he had this Golden Gear Raceway

911
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:09,079
in Plainfield, New Jersey, and also Ledger excuse me, something

912
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,239
called Ledger and Son, which was a hobby shop, which

913
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,639
is interesting on two fronts, which is he never had

914
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,800
a son that I know of, and he hadn't even

915
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,519
yet had his daughter, So I don't know. I don't

916
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,480
know where that name came from. His daughter wouldn't be

917
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,960
born for another couple of years, and then we get

918
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:28,480
into you know, she came on the bus Franci's Friday.

919
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,079
Around the same time of Franci's Friday. He's also running

920
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,760
a company called LMC, which stood for Ledger Machine Company.

921
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,960
And what they did is they built and I think

922
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:45,239
franchised car washes. And so there's a lot of ads

923
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,519
around this time for LWC or LMC for car washes

924
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,960
in the New Jersey area, in the Pennsylvania area, and

925
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:55,719
a lot of them. Again, the address used as the

926
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,960
house in Colonia where Francy was filmed, So I'm starting

927
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,559
to get the feeling at this point that maybe, you know,

928
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,199
Curtis and family were living there at the time. And again,

929
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,119
unfortunately I've not talked to his daughter to confirm that

930
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,519
one way or the other. So Fancy's Friday's filmed. Then

931
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,320
we get to some interesting things with Kurt. In seventy four,

932
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,360
he shows up in the papers as turning the guy

933
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,480
that turned in this I guess fairly infamous doctor that

934
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,239
had been caught for tax evasion and had escaped, and

935
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,559
I guess there was some you know, drama in the

936
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:33,519
newspaper about this guy. Well anyway, I guess he was

937
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:37,920
friends with mister Ledger turned him in, so he got

938
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,880
in the news for that. Also in seventy eight and

939
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,760
seventy well seventy eight, he was in an armed robbery attempt.

940
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,000
Not he wasn't the guy robbing, but he like stopped

941
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,199
the guy, stopped the robber that was doing it, So

942
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,559
he became sort of a hero for about a year.

943
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: Where was that, do you know? Was it like a bank?

944
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,320
Was it a gas station?

945
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,639
Speaker 7: I think it was a store. I think positive on that.

946
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,199
I'll have to go back to my deep notes on

947
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,800
that one, but I'm not sure that. In seventy nine, though,

948
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,559
he was arrested for sort of running a prostitution ring

949
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,679
with this guy named Mitchell Wachowski. Now it looks like

950
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:16,079
mister Ledger was let off because there's only one mention

951
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,599
that he was arrested for it, and that's it. The

952
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,800
rest of the articles and the rest of the story

953
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,280
all focused on Wachowski, So I'm thinking there was hopefully

954
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,400
some confusion on that. I don't know. Wachowski, though, was

955
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,000
an interesting guy. He was like I said he was

956
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,079
arrested with Ledger in seventy nine. He was arrested again

957
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,719
in seventy nine for running a booking agency for go

958
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,840
go bars and underage girls. So this guy wasn't really great.

959
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,159
He'd had another arrest later fortitute running prostitutes, and he

960
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,800
also owned a go go bar in New Brunswick, which

961
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,519
is just south of where Fancy was film. So not

962
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:53,360
a very good guy.

963
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: But I think it clear from your research that they

964
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,440
were associates.

965
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 7: At they were associates were at least yeah. I mean,

966
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,840
it wasn't like he was walking down the street and

967
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,719
got nabbed, you know, accident. He was he was. He

968
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,559
was related somehow, but to what extent, I don't know.

969
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,360
Right in seventy nine and then also later in eighty five,

970
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
he there's a couple of articles about him developing a

971
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,559
Nighthawk alarm system. So this is an alarm system that

972
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,800
would be you know, trip tripping. I'm not sure how

973
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,400
technically it works, but he got he's got patents for

974
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,679
it and everything, and he evidently had been working on

975
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,199
this since the sixties when he had some of that

976
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:38,280
I think that store, that hobby shop back which was

977
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,280
robbed back then as well. So and there's a I

978
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,239
think it's in the eighty five article. There's a really

979
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,639
good picture of him. So we do have one picture

980
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:50,119
of him that we can go and then then we

981
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,760
get to ninety and that's when he passes away. So

982
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,800
that at a very high level, is mister Curtis Ledger?

983
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, I mean what is it?

984
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,679
I have my opinion, like based on all that information

985
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,519
about this kind of character, but what is yours?

986
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: You know, Like, who is you know?

987
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: I see a journey man here who's trying to find

988
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,679
something to do something to make money.

989
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 7: Is I think that's it?

990
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly he's good with his hands, probably at making things.

991
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,679
I see that. But yeah, I don't have a clear

992
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:21,400
picture of this guy.

993
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,119
Speaker 7: Uh well the only the clearest picture I got was

994
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:28,679
from mister Chandler. And he's weird. Yeah serious, but but

995
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:32,199
he you know, he reminds me you're right. I mean

996
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,400
this journey we just went through is is kind of deliberate,

997
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,719
it almost right. I mean he starts out and very

998
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,199
broad in cars and everything. Then he gets slot cars

999
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,519
even themselves that's very mechanical. And there were the Santa

1000
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,199
clauses and stuff like that, and now patenting this alarm system.

1001
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,880
So I think there definitely was that vision for him,

1002
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,280
but I think it's also about making money. And I

1003
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,760
get the impression. I mean that the sixties were a

1004
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,000
rat tat tat of things we just went through. Right.

1005
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,760
That just seems like someone throwing things against the wall,

1006
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,800
seeing what's going to stick and make make him, make

1007
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:06,880
him a buck.

1008
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,079
Speaker 5: You know, and there's nothing sex films, And then sex

1009
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,079
films just happened to be one of those things where

1010
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,320
it's like, well, these are making money and we can

1011
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,719
make them very cheaply, but it's so interesting because one

1012
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,119
of them is obviously made much more cheap than the other.

1013
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,079
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I think she came up was exactly that, though.

1014
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:26,599
It was like let's try this. Now there's some you know,

1015
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:28,760
maybe maybe he was at a bar and plainfield and

1016
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,039
someone's like, hey, you know, I hear Fred just to

1017
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:33,599
be invested in this Nudi film and you know, made

1018
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:37,039
bank on it or whatever, and away we go. It's interesting.

1019
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,519
It was made cheaply, but there was some budget there

1020
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,599
had to be to get folks like Uda and Linda there, right.

1021
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: Yes, right, and bring them out from New York and

1022
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:47,960
just like, yeah, hop on the train, let's get it.

1023
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:50,000
Come out here, right, get on the bus.

1024
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,519
Speaker 7: But they didn't come for free. I think most of

1025
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:56,079
the guys probably did in that film. Sure right, yes,

1026
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,280
and beyond that, I mean again, we're getting ahead of

1027
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,480
ourselves on that you had. He was using his parents

1028
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:06,199
or grandparents' house, so there was no money there, and

1029
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,360
it was a charter bus that he probably cashed a

1030
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,559
favor in for the guy down at the bar. You

1031
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,119
know that he might have got the idea from you,

1032
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,239
or it might have been a co investor, if you will.

1033
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,119
Who knows, right, Yeah, maybe Peter Jackson owned the bus company.

1034
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:18,519
I don't know.

1035
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 9: The conversation during the car ride moves from one thought

1036
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,519
to another, and finally, a moving bus triggers a new

1037
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,920
and possibly more exciting thought. Why not get ahead of

1038
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,599
the bus, stump the bus, get on it and see

1039
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,000
what happens from there?

1040
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,519
Speaker 2: What the heck?

1041
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: It's all in the name of fun and game. Are

1042
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,159
you ready to talk?

1043
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,159
Speaker 7: She came on the bus quick, yeah, and let's do

1044
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,320
it quick, because.

1045
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,639
Speaker 5: I mean, let's spend as little time as possible.

1046
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: I think origin a long time ago, I was you know,

1047
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,199
we were just batting around ideas for films to talk

1048
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,360
about me and Casey, and you know, of course I

1049
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,000
bring up she came on the bus and he was

1050
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,079
not having it at all, And I mean, I understand,

1051
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,679
I understand, but I think in this case it's it's

1052
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,280
important to understand Curtis and where his head is that

1053
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,400
in making.

1054
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 5: The I'm viewing it as we have to talk about

1055
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,880
fluctuations while we talk about in Hot Blood. Yeah, basically

1056
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,440
one of those is better than the other. I mean

1057
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,880
very different, because Francis Friday is much better than in

1058
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,679
Hot Blood. But it's similar. How like, Yeah, the film

1059
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,760
maker can make two films, one is significantly worse than

1060
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,039
the other.

1061
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well like you yeah you said that. I mean, Uda,

1062
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,880
Linda pretty big names at least, I mean, I don't

1063
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,079
know how big they were on the scene at that point.

1064
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,760
What can you say, Casey, like, is it a big.

1065
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 5: Not necessarily names? I mean yeah, like name not names

1066
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,480
weren't really a thing in sexploitation cases like Marshall Jordan

1067
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,360
and stuff. There weren't people who you were going to

1068
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,360
look for their name on a poster when you went

1069
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,920
to go. Yeah, like Marca Jordan became a brand that

1070
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,079
wasn't really a thing in New York. They didn't have

1071
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:10,159
brands even like ZC. Darlene and Darlene Bennett. Like, yeah,

1072
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:12,400
they're regularly in these movies. You recognize them, but you're

1073
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,920
not going to go try to find a movie because

1074
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,679
they're in them. There was no star system set up.

1075
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,280
But yeah, at this point, but by the time they

1076
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,599
did she come on the bus, they clearly been doing

1077
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:23,880
a ton of work, so you would know who they are.

1078
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,880
And they're very easy to work with them, very popular

1079
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,519
with producers, so yeah, and good friends too, so if

1080
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,519
one heard about one project, they might live in the other.

1081
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I think that was the case with especially

1082
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,559
with Linda and Uda and then Jackie Richards. I mean,

1083
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,519
she's a pretty big part of that movie as well,

1084
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,480
so she came as part of the package as well.

1085
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,199
Speaker 7: The only guy I think we know is Larry Hunter,

1086
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:50,960
who was of course in a bunch of Wishman films.

1087
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: Okay, where is Larry in that movie?

1088
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 7: He's the guy that's wearing the striped shirt. That's the

1089
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,599
best I can tell you. He's not the main guy.

1090
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:03,199
I thought he was going to be the main guy,

1091
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,960
kind of the guy that does the bus driver in

1092
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,800
and so forth. Yeah, not him, that's not him. It's

1093
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,079
one of the other dorky guys. I think he doesn't

1094
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,599
have a really big role at all, but he's he's there.

1095
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,199
I'd use my facial comparison told it to make sure he.

1096
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,159
Speaker 3: Was really okay. Yeah, I watched it again recently and

1097
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,039
I couldn't find him. He's not like part of the

1098
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,400
main hoodlums, is he? Because there's like three main hoodlums.

1099
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,800
I don't think he's any of the three.

1100
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,079
Speaker 7: He's in the house for sure, because that's where I

1101
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:29,679
got it.

1102
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: I think he might appear randomly in the house, and

1103
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,840
then he doesn't. I don't know if he goes on

1104
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:34,840
the bus with them though.

1105
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,639
Speaker 7: That's interesting. You know, I haven't watched it close enough forever.

1106
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could way back review where I could way

1107
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,960
back machine my DVD driving review.

1108
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,119
Speaker 3: I think I think we need to question this Larry

1109
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:52,559
Hunter credit. I think we do. I like the main

1110
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,079
guy in this movie. He's so funny. I wish I

1111
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:56,920
could see him in more stuff. He's got like a

1112
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,760
certain energy. He's kind of like the little hoodlum guy

1113
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:00,920
of who I'm talking about.

1114
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 7: Absolutely, he's the guy that he's the one that shives

1115
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:04,800
the bus.

1116
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,599
Speaker 3: Drive and he does the dance at the end.

1117
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that guy.

1118
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 7: He had to he had to be a local. Like

1119
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,840
I think most of the folks in these films that

1120
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,639
we don't know were. In fact, I've confirmed a few

1121
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,199
of them were local talent. Jersey had an amazing local

1122
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,079
and regional theater scene back in the sixties. It looks like,

1123
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,599
I mean, drama clubs, drama, you know, things like you know,

1124
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:30,519
And we'll get to one of the guys when we

1125
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:32,679
talked about Fancy that was that was pretty big in

1126
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,400
that Michael Nimitz was was pretty big. By the way.

1127
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,280
The guy mentioned that was in Ledger or Curtis Michael,

1128
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,599
that firm from the Santa Claus firm from back in

1129
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:44,639
the early sixties. He was big in the local theater

1130
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,440
scene as well. So at least that guy we're talking about,

1131
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,719
that short guy we were talking about, he had and

1132
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:52,760
you know, I was hoping he was going to pop

1133
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,599
up in some of It's the picture somewhere that I

1134
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:55,840
haven't found.

1135
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:59,119
Speaker 3: So you've you've found this house and she came on

1136
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:00,239
the bus I did.

1137
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not going to give the address because I

1138
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,519
just checked leading up to this and it's now on

1139
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:11,199
Google Maps. It's blurred out standing, it's still standing. And

1140
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,159
if you remember when when you see the outside, there's

1141
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:16,400
this sort of some kind of industrial building next to

1142
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,320
it that's still there. That's a well, it's still there.

1143
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,920
I won't give the name, because again I want to

1144
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,679
be respectful. People are still living there. And when I

1145
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,280
you know, when I went there, I tell you I

1146
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,159
so wanted to go around the house and see the

1147
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,440
back and nope, this is someone's house. I'm going to

1148
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:31,760
stand on the sidewalk, I'm going to take my pictures

1149
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,719
and I'm going to go my way. But but that

1150
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,880
neighborhood looks eerily the same. And this is what fifty five,

1151
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,960
fifty six, seven years later, almost sixty years later, at

1152
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,840
this point, right, Look, the trees are bigger, but that's it.

1153
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,760
And it had been again either Ledgers parents or grandparents.

1154
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,719
I think his grandmother was the last to live there,

1155
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,719
so it was a family house. I don't know whether

1156
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,239
he and his family lived there at all, but it

1157
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,920
definitely as a Ledger family residence, which is which is

1158
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,199
again how I can say undoubtedly he was somehow involved,

1159
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,719
if not fully behind it. He definitely had a fair

1160
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,880
stake in the in the making of the film.

1161
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that pretty much confirms it.

1162
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say beyond that, I mean, it's it's

1163
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,480
kind of a rougher RUFFI I would say, it's not

1164
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:24,719
necessarily in a good way. I don't know if that

1165
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,519
even is a thing, but it's not a favorite of

1166
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,480
mine other than what we've talked about the connection.

1167
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, some ruffis like there is an undercurrent

1168
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,920
of you know, cartoonish sort of humor. This one is

1169
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:42,559
just it's pretty straight black. I mean, there's not really

1170
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:43,519
any humor.

1171
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,719
Speaker 7: And there's no humor. It's just mean.

1172
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: I think it's just pretty mean.

1173
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,679
Speaker 5: I think that's the thing. It's just mean, Like at

1174
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,920
least there are certain points in certain ruffies where well,

1175
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,679
I don't know, I've said on here before, I watched

1176
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,920
these movies for the women, so like, typically, you know,

1177
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,920
I like to see women get there, women will you know,

1178
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:04,000
eventually come out in the end, okay, And in this one,

1179
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:06,840
it's just like it's just so dark and brtle, and yeah,

1180
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,480
it's just it's just not fun. It's not you know,

1181
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,320
but Ruffy can be fun. It's just you know, there

1182
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,719
are levels to Ruffi's well, so this is the bottom

1183
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,199
of the barrel.

1184
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:19,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's kind of fun seeing Linda play

1185
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:19,679
like one of.

1186
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,039
Speaker 2: The boys, you know, one of the hoodlum girls, but.

1187
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 5: Do that and other stuff.

1188
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and the first of her flesh. I don't

1189
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:30,840
like the uddhas stuff, Like they treat her so bad

1190
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,920
and she's not even like shot very well. Like that

1191
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,440
scene when she's like they put like fake tears on

1192
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:41,239
her face. I hope they're fake, where she's like getting

1193
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,360
abused on the bus.

1194
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,639
Speaker 5: It's just like, I don't enjoy it. And there's no

1195
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:48,679
way in hell I rewatched it before this episode, because yeah,

1196
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,480
why don't you do it after that?

1197
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,119
Speaker 7: Right?

1198
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 8: No?

1199
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:55,719
Speaker 5: I know I will only rewatch that under duress, and

1200
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,840
I wasn't forced to do it for this episodes.

1201
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: So that tells you something. If Casey didn't.

1202
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 5: Rewatch it before, it's bottom of the barrel, it's bottom

1203
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:04,840
of the barrel.

1204
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 7: It's going to be your clockwork orange film, then, is

1205
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,599
what we're saying.

1206
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 5: Right, Yes, yes, yes, it will be. I will only

1207
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,119
rewatch it because I have to go through the entire

1208
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,679
catalog for a letterbox to review everything, and I'll just

1209
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,920
I'll suffer through it at that point. But yeah, I

1210
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,079
find this stuff about the production much more interesting. The

1211
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:25,960
stuff that you're finding about where I was shot and

1212
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:28,719
things like that, that's much more interesting than actually sitting

1213
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,440
through the movie again, which I will. Yeah, I don't

1214
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:31,800
want to do.

1215
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 7: And you know, if we want to get into it now,

1216
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,840
I mean, it's it also allows us to talk a

1217
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:36,800
little bit about Linda.

1218
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, can you tell us about Linda? I know

1219
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:42,880
we've been dying to find out what is going on

1220
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:43,320
with her.

1221
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I didn't find out much more about Linda

1222
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,320
than we knew. I do, by the way, have I mean,

1223
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,599
I don't know, Ca, So do you want to Maybe

1224
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,559
you're probably a better positioned than me to give the

1225
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,760
twenty five cent version for folks that may not be

1226
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,840
familiar with her. I don't know what they're doing listening

1227
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,519
to you guys, they're not, but I would hope so.

1228
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because Linda Boyce's I think Linda Boyce was

1229
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,039
on my she was on my Mount Rushmore of Exploitation.

1230
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,320
Linda Boyce is kind of it's and it's interesting because

1231
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,599
it's I love seeing Linda and Uda together because I

1232
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:11,880
always considered them like the light and shadow of s

1233
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,199
exploitation because you have the blonde and the brunette, and

1234
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,119
they're always together and they really mirror each other really beautifully.

1235
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,079
But no, yeah, Linda was I think like she was

1236
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:23,960
a dancer first. I think she was a dancer on

1237
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,840
a model before she became an actress. I'm not sure

1238
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,400
if she was classically trained. You can't really tell that

1239
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,000
she is. I think she just had natural talent. And yeah,

1240
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:33,079
she was one of the go to girls and starting

1241
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:37,880
from like sixty six, sixty seven up until like seventy one,

1242
01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:41,039
seventy probably seventy one actually, I think that's when she

1243
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:44,360
bailed from the industry for a hardcore She was not

1244
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,639
going to do hardcore.

1245
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,079
Speaker 7: So smart for that. And she supposedly got married around

1246
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:49,880
that time, right.

1247
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 5: And yes, yeah, apparently she married some rich guy, which

1248
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,760
is what alex Man told me. And he was very

1249
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,079
close to her and was able to confirm with me

1250
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:01,679
some det tales about her life that were accurate, and

1251
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,239
so I was like, Okay, well, this would make finding

1252
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,960
her easier, and it absolutely is not.

1253
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 7: So it's very frustrating I only have one candidate for

1254
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,320
that marriage, and it's like in seventy five, which is

1255
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,480
too late kind of to fit that that timeline.

1256
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:16,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you found the same person I did.

1257
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,079
And I was like, could this be No, it's not. Yeah,

1258
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,719
it didn't didn't work. The ages definitely didn't match for me.

1259
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know, and in sixty nine and into

1260
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,320
the seventies, she started an agency, I guess, a casting agency,

1261
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,039
which which we'd known about, right, that was I guess.

1262
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:36,719
I think I'd known that it was called boys Stone,

1263
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,239
but I guess that's not that well known, and it

1264
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,760
was I'd always heard. She started with some guy that

1265
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,360
didn't really last that long. And and then of course

1266
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,159
she handed it off to two people that will show

1267
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,880
up in a few minutes with the next film, Tally

1268
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,400
Cochran and Patrick Wright Prick.

1269
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:55,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not that weird that they both that both

1270
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:57,679
casting agents ended up working for Kurt Ledger.

1271
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,519
Speaker 7: I'm arguing if you still had the phone number and

1272
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:02,679
instead of Linda was telling at the other end.

1273
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it was the same building. I think she

1274
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:06,519
was the same apartment. She just had to go up

1275
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:07,079
to that apartment.

1276
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was in the apartment next door is what

1277
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,440
I remember hearing. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but by the way,

1278
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,079
I can tell you what apartment that was now because.

1279
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 5: He did really good research on that.

1280
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I found actually found evidence of Boys Stone.

1281
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,239
And again this was new to me, and may others

1282
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,079
may have already gone down this road, but for me,

1283
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:30,400
finding actual print evidence of Boys Stone productions is what

1284
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,920
it was given. So and in October there was a

1285
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,920
September twenty ninth article by Earl Wilson. Earl Wilson's going

1286
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,639
to play a role in this later on as well.

1287
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,719
Are you guys familiar with who Earl Wilson was?

1288
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 5: By the way, yeah, I think I have a book

1289
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,559
by him. It's like a isn't he Wasn't it like

1290
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:47,519
a gossip columnist?

1291
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 7: He was a gossip columnist. Yes, I have a book

1292
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:51,119
by him.

1293
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,559
Speaker 5: Where Actually the book I have of him, there's a

1294
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,679
whole chapter about Jerry Miller. He air viewed Jerry Miller

1295
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,599
when she was Yeah, that is not the one I have,

1296
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,960
but I do need that one that got Yes, that's yes,

1297
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,000
that's the one in your left is what is it?

1298
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:10,239
The show business something? There's a whole Jerry Miller thing yes,

1299
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:12,800
I buy that specifically one of the Jerry Miller stuff.

1300
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, this book since I was probably fourteen, maybe earlier

1301
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,039
thirteen or twelve, and he was one of the first

1302
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:23,320
kind of visions of New York I had, and he

1303
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:25,079
you know, if I have to go back and figure

1304
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,599
out how I became who I am, it's probably that

1305
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:30,559
book and Earl Wilson that helped in some part shape that.

1306
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,760
So to find that he's the guy that announced the

1307
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:38,239
boys Stone Agency was kind of a neat little thing

1308
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,400
for me going back to my childhood. But it's going

1309
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,239
to get better with Earl Wilson before we're done with

1310
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,639
this thing. So in Svember he announces, and I mean

1311
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,239
where my notes went. In September twenty ninth, actually sixty nine,

1312
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:53,320
he announces cover girl Linda Boyce opened her own boys

1313
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,119
Stone Model Agency, and there's a picture right next to

1314
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:59,719
it of Linda and scantily clad of course. There then

1315
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,840
October another announcement, not not as part of any column.

1316
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,599
It looks like a paid announcement actually in a New

1317
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:11,239
York paper. New Talent Agency arrives. Comic Jackie Mason will

1318
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,599
serve as host tonight at a celebrity party to introduce

1319
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:18,000
boy Stone Productions talks a little bit about that and

1320
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:21,440
it mentions hal Stone. So now we've got mister Stone's

1321
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,840
first name, Halstone, and actress model Linda Boyce. And it

1322
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:31,360
gives the address and the apartment number. So and I'm

1323
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,760
gonna it's you know, it was a camelot building where

1324
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,719
this was, and we've known that. Uh, and now we

1325
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,639
know that the boy Stone Agency was an apartment five

1326
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,239
E of the agency.

1327
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so is this the is this the apartment where

1328
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,599
those photos were taken?

1329
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 6: That?

1330
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 7: It is? Yes, very apartment where you know we've we've

1331
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,920
got In fact, I did an article on my blog

1332
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,679
a couple articles about it. There's a zebra print wall

1333
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,239
that's very very noticeable. So there's a picture a set

1334
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,519
of Laura Cannon getting shot there. Linda herself had many

1335
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,000
spreads that were shot there. Return of the Secret Society

1336
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:14,679
has scenes that were shot in that apartment because you

1337
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,480
can see that. And I'd also understand a lot of

1338
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,400
other films used it as a location as well. So

1339
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:25,480
apartment five E is a for us anyway, a very historical.

1340
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:28,199
Speaker 3: Uh Mecca exploitation Mecca.

1341
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:29,079
Speaker 6: Wow.

1342
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 7: And of course then That means that Tally and Patrick

1343
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,400
were in the apartment next door. I don't know if

1344
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,280
that was four five D or five C or whatever

1345
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,000
the other one would be, but it was by the way.

1346
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:44,599
I also found another familiar name of a guy that

1347
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,280
lived in the building. I don't think he was on

1348
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,440
the same floor. But when I was trying to track

1349
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,440
some of this information down, I discovered that C. Davis

1350
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,920
Smith lived in the building as well.

1351
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 5: Oh really, really, oh good old Chuck lived there.

1352
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,239
Speaker 7: I had no idea. Wow, it's not up for rent

1353
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,000
or for sale, but if you guys are interested in

1354
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,440
the apartment has appraised at little over one million dollars

1355
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:05,800
right now.

1356
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 5: So yes, yes, I've looked. Because I've looked at the rent,

1357
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,079
I think the cheapest rent in there. I forget how

1358
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,399
much it is. It's Marksman's than what I'm paying here,

1359
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,319
because I was considering moving in there for fanboy reasons.

1360
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,399
But no chance in hell, No chance in hell.

1361
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:32,319
Speaker 1: We are, quite frankly, a lesbian organization dedicated to the proposition.

1362
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 6: That women are superior beings.

1363
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: Men have no place in our lives, not in our

1364
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:38,760
sex lives.

1365
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:39,359
Speaker 6: Anyway.

1366
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about hal Stone, but first,

1367
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,279
I want to ask you, Sean, who do you think

1368
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:46,560
Peter Woodcock is.

1369
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:49,039
Speaker 7: I have no idea.

1370
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: That's what everybody says. Nobody wants to even guess it's

1371
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:53,159
not Roberta.

1372
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:55,319
Speaker 5: And that's all I can say. I haven't looked into

1373
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:56,960
it further because I don't like those films.

1374
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 7: So it's a great name, but I have no idea

1375
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:00,680
who who it's behind.

1376
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:05,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but the fact that Linda is somehow connected

1377
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,560
to whoever made those films. Clearly it's shot, you know,

1378
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,319
parts of it are shot at her apartment. I think

1379
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,039
we can sort of like narrow the field down a

1380
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:14,680
little bit.

1381
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:21,079
Speaker 5: Maybe, I mean no, I mean no, I don't think

1382
01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:24,399
necessarily you can. As we're hearing just hearing about Kurt

1383
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,920
Ledger and the fact that he was not in film

1384
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,439
just kind of got into film for some random reason

1385
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,000
and then got out a couple of years later. That

1386
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,439
I think that Peter Wilcock is probably an example of that.

1387
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,560
It's somebody was like, I want to make something quick,

1388
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:40,119
and then Linda Boyce was a go to casting person.

1389
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:42,760
She had an apartment, you know. I think that's why

1390
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,920
I should probably open that casting agency. She was a

1391
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,880
go to person. I think very helpful for producers in

1392
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,840
situations like that. So naturally she wanted to get involved

1393
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,000
with more helping with productions.

1394
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1395
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,520
Speaker 7: Smart, make some money with it too, right, Yeah exactly, Yeah.

1396
01:09:59,399 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 5: Very smart girl.

1397
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: So tell us about the other half of this.

1398
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 7: Helstone is a Stone. Yeah, So now I had a name,

1399
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:08,920
and that was enough to put me on a frenzied

1400
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:14,680
search for who how Stone was. And it's it's unfortunately

1401
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,359
a not uncommon name, especially for men born in that

1402
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,479
time period. Hall is sort of short for Harold, so

1403
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,119
Harold was more and more used back in the thirties

1404
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,920
and forties when he would have been born, I would expect.

1405
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:30,479
So there are a number of candidates. The first that

1406
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:35,079
I found was and the most mind blowing if it

1407
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:38,039
had been the right one, was a Holstone that was

1408
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,359
a child actor back in the thirties and was the

1409
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,800
first jug Head voice of Jughead on the Archie Comics

1410
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,159
radio program back in the fifties, and he stayed in

1411
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:52,000
acting and he did a bunch of stuff. He passed

1412
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,600
away thinking two thousand and nine, but it became clear

1413
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,680
fairly quickly that that wasn't the right house Stone. The

1414
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,000
next guy was a lot closer. I thought he was

1415
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:04,520
a guy that had been a he came out of

1416
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,840
World War Two and became a comedian, and he'd created

1417
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,399
this sort of sad sack Beatle Bailey, sort of pre

1418
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,479
Gomer Pile character that he would do stand up as,

1419
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,680
and it was very popular. He cut a few albums

1420
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,720
comedy albums as this guy back in the late forties,

1421
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,560
but by the mid fifties that you know, kind of

1422
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,920
gotten old and stale, and he never didn't have new materials,

1423
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,159
so he started doing whatever. So I'm thinking this sounds

1424
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,520
kind of like the guy and he I found out

1425
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,000
this guy died and I think seventy four seventy five.

1426
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,800
By that time, he was doing stand up on cruise

1427
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,520
ships and he died on the Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth

1428
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,199
Quey and the Queen Qwe two, I think in the Bahamas.

1429
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,560
So he died while he was, you know, on a

1430
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,159
booking in the Bahamas. And the only reason I bring

1431
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:49,880
this up is the ship. I guess the captain called

1432
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,600
his wife up in New York and said, Hey, I'm

1433
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,520
sorry your husband has died. Where would you like us

1434
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,720
to send the body? And she said, oh, well, you

1435
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,079
know hal always wanted to be buried at sea, So

1436
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:01,000
just take care of it.

1437
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,520
Speaker 3: Saves there some money.

1438
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 7: As fun as that would have been, that's not our house.

1439
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:14,399
So then I started circling around this character that was

1440
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,439
that was really an LA character named Helstone. And the

1441
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,239
more I found, well, actually, let me back up here.

1442
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,319
I skipped a little bit here. I was looking in

1443
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,399
the newspapers in New York for Helstone, trying to find

1444
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:31,359
mentions of this guy. And I found a handful, all

1445
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:37,000
of them in Earl Wilson articles or columns. And there's

1446
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:41,279
one in which he's talking about this he names Helstone,

1447
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,000
and he says he's I got it written down here.

1448
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,399
A goateeed and big bellied man. He was an agent

1449
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,680
of exclusively nudes, he said. And he was always bugging

1450
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,800
Earl to, you know, interview some of his girls. And

1451
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,439
I'm like, this has to be our guy, right, and

1452
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,840
and he said, well, said, you know, to get him

1453
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,800
out of my office. One day I just said, all right,

1454
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,920
how send me over a nude receptionist. And two days later,

1455
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:12,039
a blonde Scandinavian looking girl walks in, takes off her

1456
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:15,960
overcoach completely nude, sits down, starts typing, and you know,

1457
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:18,920
he's in shock. His real receptionist is in shock, his

1458
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,199
assistant is in shock. Finally he walks over and says, man,

1459
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:23,800
what are you? What are you? What are you doing?

1460
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,119
She's like, oh, how send me over? He said you

1461
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,199
wanted a nude typist. He's like, oh, okay, that's how funny, funny,

1462
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:31,720
get get at it. He puts the jacket over, shoes

1463
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,800
her away. But he looks at the paper she'd been typing.

1464
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:37,800
There was just one word repeated over and over again

1465
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,960
on the sheet of paper, and it's something Francy tells

1466
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,039
her mother at the beginning of the film, the word

1467
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:50,239
fuck she typed on on the thing. And I'm reading that,

1468
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:54,720
and I'm thinking, I know this story. I've read this story.

1469
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:58,920
That story was in the book that how Earl Wilson

1470
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,920
had written that I got when I was, you know,

1471
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,239
a kid. Basically wow. So I'm basically known about how

1472
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:11,560
Stone for fifty years almost now. But the story gets

1473
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,359
better because later on and Earl Wilson these books are

1474
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,479
just basically rehashes of his articles, and he would rehash

1475
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,119
his articles and his articles as well. So a couple

1476
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:24,800
years later I found another mention of this story and

1477
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,399
of how Stone. But it's the rest of the story

1478
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,840
we find out who that blonde was. So he said,

1479
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,399
I got a phone call from a lady that has

1480
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,960
just you know, in the news right now as part

1481
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,359
of this big scandal with prostitution and big names and

1482
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,079
so forth. And she says, mister Wilson, I'd like to

1483
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,319
you to write my story for me. He's like, well,

1484
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:49,479
thank you very much. But why why did you choose me?

1485
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:52,159
And she said, well, because we know each other. He's

1486
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:54,319
like we do. He's like, yes, you remember a few

1487
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:58,000
years ago that how Wilson sent me over to be

1488
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:03,119
your receptionist. He's like, oh, okay, now I obviously remember

1489
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:06,199
who you were. Well, that lady was Xavier Hollander.

1490
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: Oh, the Happy Hooker.

1491
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 6: Wow.

1492
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:13,520
Speaker 5: Okay.

1493
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,319
Speaker 7: So at one point how Stone was the agent for

1494
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:19,520
the Happy Hooker, which.

1495
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 3: Opens, Yeah, well, then I want to think that he

1496
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,279
made a lot of money because her story was everywhere

1497
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:26,760
and her books were everywhere.

1498
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,239
Speaker 7: Yes, I haven't had to go and look at her

1499
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,560
books though, to see if he's actually mentioned. I haven't

1500
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,880
had a chance to try one to do that. But

1501
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:39,239
so so I'm convinced at this point. This is the

1502
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:41,520
this is the right guy. I mean everything, all of

1503
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,439
the boxes absolutely. So now I got to find where

1504
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,239
he went and where he came from. So let's talk

1505
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:49,119
a little bit about where he came from. I haven't

1506
01:15:49,119 --> 01:15:52,119
found an awful lot. But he did work for Joe Franklin.

1507
01:15:52,359 --> 01:15:55,000
He was a booker and a talent scout for Joe Franklin.

1508
01:15:55,039 --> 01:15:58,119
That's that is clear. And in fact, Joe mentions that

1509
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:00,479
Franklin mentions him in at least one of his books

1510
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:05,319
that he wrote, speaks very highly of Halstone, said he

1511
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:08,560
trust him implicitly. And he turns out Stone was the

1512
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,159
only booker. He was the main booker, it seems like,

1513
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:13,359
and he's the only one that was actually paid a salary.

1514
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,279
All the other bookers, guys, I'm sure they were were

1515
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:19,960
paid in like tickets or other French benefits. So he

1516
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:21,880
was the only one that actually made money working for

1517
01:16:22,039 --> 01:16:25,680
Joe Franklin. And the story is that one of the

1518
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,880
people that Halstone discovered, and I say that with their

1519
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:33,479
quotes is Richard Pryor. He supposed to discovered him down

1520
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,600
in the village and booked him on Joe Franklin's show.

1521
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,159
And that was his first you know on air thing. Now,

1522
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:43,840
I've gone through several of Richard Pryor's biographies, his autobiography,

1523
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,359
and there's no mention of Joe Franklin being on Joe

1524
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:50,600
Franklin a Helstone. There's no hint of a Houstone character.

1525
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,279
So it's a good story. It may be true. There's

1526
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:56,880
not a lot of evidence that doesn't come from Hal

1527
01:16:57,119 --> 01:17:02,359
or Joe to back that up, though. Interesting So before

1528
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,680
that's before the early sixties, there's really nothing I found

1529
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,479
on Helstone except from him where he later on tells

1530
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,079
that his father was a stunt pilot, his mother was

1531
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:16,239
a wingwalker, they both died. I don't know whether it

1532
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:18,920
was stunt related or not, and he grew up in

1533
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,560
an orphanage. That's his version of his early life. I've

1534
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,960
not found any stunt walker or stunt pilot that fits

1535
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,920
this criteria. I have looked, but there's still a lot

1536
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,960
more ground to cover there. So I get the feelings

1537
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:36,640
Halstone might not have been his real name, but I'm

1538
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,840
not sure. Again, Helstone was not an uncommon combination there.

1539
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:43,960
So that's where he came from. You guys find out

1540
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:49,800
where he went. Okay, Yeah, so in the early seventies,

1541
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,880
he started going to LA. I don't know if he

1542
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,439
was by coastal or if he was exclusively in LA

1543
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,680
in the early seventies. I do know that by eighty

1544
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,920
one he was on the West coast full time, and

1545
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,680
that's where he stayed for the rest of his life.

1546
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:05,600
And he was still an agent, he was still booking acts.

1547
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,520
He was still now I don't know, one act that

1548
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,640
I know from eighty one was a Russian hypnotist, just

1549
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,920
because they got written up right. But beyond that, I'm

1550
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,720
not sure what he was still doing nudes. I don't

1551
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,439
know if he was doing actresses, actors, or just crazy acts,

1552
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,560
but it was clear he was still doing something in

1553
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,720
the entertainment, booking and promotion industry. In the eighties, though,

1554
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:31,840
his story starts picking up steam. He gets involved with

1555
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:37,319
Jackie Stallone, Sylvester Stallone's money and Foxy the post glow

1556
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,319
gorgeous lady of wrestling post career when she was doing

1557
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:43,600
the Foxy boxing, and he was basically her partner in

1558
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,520
those businesses and all of those shows and videos and

1559
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,000
tours that would do all the Foxy boxing. And there's

1560
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,399
a commercials with him, you know, saying we got it

1561
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,479
all the way from g Rated for the family, all

1562
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,359
the weight or whatever you want, you know, that that

1563
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,640
sort of stuff, and he was also involved. If you

1564
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,159
guys remember Rocky five, there was a lawsuit against Jackie

1565
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,159
and hal Stone from a guy that was an old

1566
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:11,039
boxer and had given them, the two of them a

1567
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:13,800
script based on his life to what to look at,

1568
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,079
and his his contention was Rocky five was in large

1569
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:20,840
part based on that script and he got no credit

1570
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,439
or no money for that, so he sued him and

1571
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,319
I think he won, actually maybe was settled out a

1572
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:29,520
quarter or something there. But so hal Stone was very

1573
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,399
you know if you will, link to Jackie stallone during

1574
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,479
that period, which is interesting because this is where Greg

1575
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,159
Jaber comes back in believe it or not. He Greg

1576
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:46,920
was very involved with jack Descent. Jack Descent who had

1577
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:52,039
actually worked with Jackie during this time on her what

1578
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:56,000
is it, the uh, the Dean Warwick type stuff psychic.

1579
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 5: Stone psychics, Yes, psychic psyching, Friends Network or whatever you A.

1580
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So that was Jackie's other sort of thing

1581
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,760
she was doing. So jack was behind that with Jackie

1582
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:09,119
and Greg has like all of the master tapes for that.

1583
01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:12,000
I believe there so it's interesting how these things sort

1584
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:14,119
of start. So if Greg was still alive, I can

1585
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:16,319
he would have he would have had a cow whenever

1586
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,159
I found out that Helstone and Jackie Stallone were you know,

1587
01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:24,479
were together there. So Halstone in the nineties was still around.

1588
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,279
He was a regular at the Rainbow Bar and Grill

1589
01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:30,319
on Sunset Strip. There's a plaque with his name on

1590
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,760
it at the bar claiming he's the Emperor of the Rainbow.

1591
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,840
He was a self promoter. He went on a I

1592
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,239
don't know the name of the show, but it's sort

1593
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:42,039
of like a cross between Oprah and Jerry Springer. It

1594
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,199
was kind of, I think an LA show, and it

1595
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:47,399
was hot women who like fat guys. It was kind

1596
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:52,640
of the title and so and the hot women were

1597
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,720
obviously stripper types, uh, and you know, one of them

1598
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,520
was Halstone's girlfriend. And then the twist was when another

1599
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,199
woman out and claims she was also his girlfriend, and

1600
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,720
you know, fight at jus and all that sort of stuff.

1601
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,479
So he was he was still doing stuff. He was

1602
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,680
in a penthouse in the not long before he passed away.

1603
01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:15,840
They and noted that he was a regular at the

1604
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:19,439
Bunny Ranch in Nevada, but but he only went because

1605
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,880
he liked the atmosphere. He didn't go for the you know,

1606
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,000
just the atmosphere like taking out. And he passed away

1607
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:29,239
in twenty nineteen, so we just missed him yet again,

1608
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,840
maybe not just from this seven years ago.

1609
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 3: But wow, well that's a full life for Hal Stone.

1610
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,439
I wonder if he would he ever remember Linda Boyce

1611
01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:39,479
after what he would do?

1612
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 5: Not How would you not remember Linda Boyce?

1613
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,279
Speaker 3: Come on now, her hair is amazing?

1614
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 7: How do you how do you forget that he like

1615
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,399
the type of guy that would remember every woman he

1616
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:48,920
ever saw? Yes?

1617
01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 5: Yes, well, actually, it's interesting that the Earl Wilson connection

1618
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:56,039
also just makes me remember the fact that Harold that

1619
01:21:56,319 --> 01:21:59,560
how wanted him to, you know, do stuff on his women.

1620
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,720
That whole thing on Jerry Miller is in that book,

1621
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,399
and Jerry Miller is in one of the Peter Woodcock

1622
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,520
movies with Linda Boyce. So I feel like Jerry Miller

1623
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,319
then must have been when she wasn't a Warhol girl.

1624
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,439
Must have been one of Linda and Hal's girls when

1625
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,079
she was doing sexploitation stuff.

1626
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,239
Speaker 7: That makes perfect sense. Yeah, By the way, I did

1627
01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:23,560
find one other interesting thing on Hell he did get married, supposedly,

1628
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,199
and this was in an Earl Wilson column. He got

1629
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:30,159
married in nineteen seventy to this actress model named Ingrid Roland.

1630
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,199
Does that name ring doesn't mean Ingrid?

1631
01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 6: Does?

1632
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 5: There was a blo. No, that's Ingrid Swenson. I'm thinking

1633
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:39,960
of who was an.

1634
01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:43,399
Speaker 7: Another only one other mention of an Ingrid Roland, and

1635
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,960
that was two months before that, yet again in an

1636
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,479
Earl Wilson column where she and Alpha Blair were playing

1637
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,960
miniature ping pong at some game salon in the seventies

1638
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,119
west seventies. So Alpha Blair is kind of a non name.

1639
01:22:57,119 --> 01:22:58,720
I don't know if it rings any bells for you guys,

1640
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,520
but she's still around and I reached out to her

1641
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,119
to say, hey, do you remember someone named Ingrid Roland.

1642
01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:07,880
She hasn't got back to me, so I don't know

1643
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,279
if she will, but I have got that that thread

1644
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:12,920
out there to see, hey, did you remember this person?

1645
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,159
And if so, probably not if she only played ping

1646
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:19,520
pong once, you know, fifty five years ago, right, But.

1647
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,199
Speaker 5: It sounds like that what might have been a gig

1648
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:25,760
that she might have been on once again, represented by

1649
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,399
that agency, so she might still even remember that agency.

1650
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,319
Even if she wasn't with him that long, she might

1651
01:23:31,359 --> 01:23:35,560
still remember something exactly. Yeah, you definitely, yeah, you're yeah,

1652
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,039
you're you always have that in mind, Sean, You're good

1653
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:40,760
like that, Like every single thread it could potentially lead

1654
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:41,680
somewhere interesting.

1655
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's why I never get anything done.

1656
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:45,399
Speaker 8: What were you doing?

1657
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 5: Oh damn, gonna like one of the willows?

1658
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 8: What were you doing?

1659
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 6: Nothing?

1660
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 3: I was saying, well, so, what's the connection to Linda Boyce?

1661
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,760
Did you find out anything about how they met?

1662
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 6: No?

1663
01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:04,319
Speaker 7: No, I mean you you you've basically got my full

1664
01:24:04,399 --> 01:24:07,359
story on how will he help hel Stone? Rather right

1665
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,640
now there's still yeah again there there's still a ton

1666
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,439
of questions. This raises h but but I think you know,

1667
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,159
we've got we've got some traction, uh and uh, we'll

1668
01:24:19,159 --> 01:24:21,319
see what we can find and you know, getting this

1669
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,119
out there to the masses, you know, the dozen are

1670
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:26,239
so folks like us that are that are gonna. I

1671
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:28,119
know that the guys, I know what you're doing. You're

1672
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:30,640
already on your phones looking for this stuff. So uh,

1673
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,680
you know, let us know what you find. Please.

1674
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 3: But that's the curious part to me. Yeah, it's like

1675
01:24:35,039 --> 01:24:38,800
how Linda got involved with this character and what their

1676
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,560
partnership was, you know, in terms of who did what

1677
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,079
in this in this company that they are apparently joint

1678
01:24:47,159 --> 01:24:47,640
owners of.

1679
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:50,039
Speaker 7: I mean that's how it seems like.

1680
01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 5: I mean, if our name was first too, I like

1681
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,680
that too, boy Stone, Yeah.

1682
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:58,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean she she he could have been her agent, right,

1683
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,600
and I mean who who knows how they got together?

1684
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,800
If I had to guess what the breakup, you know

1685
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,199
what the sort of who did what was? She probably

1686
01:25:06,279 --> 01:25:09,920
got all the talent and he probably got all the jobs, right. Yeah,

1687
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,039
that's kind of what makes the most sin obviously, Yeah

1688
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:14,439
does Yeah.

1689
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like a Bunny Yeger situation possibly where

1690
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:21,520
she people would trust women models and strippers, and people

1691
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,720
in the city would trust Linda because she knows the business.

1692
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,880
She also knows what the money you could get, what

1693
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:30,399
producers are looking for, what stuff you don't have to

1694
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,560
do if you're not comfortable, like I think that's I

1695
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,880
think she's It's good to have a woman working as

1696
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,399
an Asian in this industry in New York, especially New York.

1697
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 7: Especially when you look and act like Helstone and there's

1698
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,119
like I said, there's videos I'll send you guys links.

1699
01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:45,439
You can put him in the show notes. Someone did.

1700
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,760
Someone from the Rainbow Grill did a memorial video of him,

1701
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,720
and basically all it is is the he was on

1702
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,000
a news show about his overweight eating what he loved

1703
01:25:58,039 --> 01:25:59,760
to do. He's not going to stop. There was the

1704
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,840
from the h that show with the girlfriends that I

1705
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,079
told you about. I mean, there's a few other things

1706
01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:08,239
from the wrestling and so they just basically they did

1707
01:26:08,319 --> 01:26:10,399
no editing. They just put them together. But that's great

1708
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:12,640
because it's out there and it saves me from having

1709
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,199
it up. So someone did that, and I actually it's

1710
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:19,920
on vinmo So Vimeo. So I I tried to contact them,

1711
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,119
say hey, I'd like to know more about what you know.

1712
01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:24,319
Did you obviously knew how I'd like to talk to you.

1713
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,680
I haven't got anything back from them yet either, but

1714
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,279
I'll share the video with you, guys, and you can

1715
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,159
you can understand, Casey, why what you just said is

1716
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:33,640
even so much more important with a guy like him.

1717
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 5: Yes, well, and then it makes me wonder we know this.

1718
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:42,000
The general consensus is that Linda married. Is there who

1719
01:26:42,079 --> 01:26:44,600
married someone wealthy or someone she'd been in a relationship

1720
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,159
with and left the business to Tally Now didn't marry Linda?

1721
01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 7: Did he?

1722
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 5: Did you find any evidence that he married someone named

1723
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:52,399
Linda around the time?

1724
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:56,239
Speaker 7: No, I found any evidence. There is a picture of

1725
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,000
Ingrid who again it says he did, but it's one

1726
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,079
of you know, it's not paper dot com and it's

1727
01:27:01,119 --> 01:27:07,399
so just you know, you can't know, but it's just

1728
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,279
an obvious thought, right, But I just don't feel like

1729
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:13,520
I just don't. I mean I would, I would honestly

1730
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,479
hate if that's the case, for Linda's sake.

1731
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 5: Would Linda's smart? Linda's smarter than that. I feel like, Yeah,

1732
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,760
I feel like she's smarter than that, someone who is

1733
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,319
able to go into this into this kind of work

1734
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,159
while still being an actress that's not done by idiots,

1735
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,000
Like she knew what she was doing. She's she's too

1736
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:32,560
smart for that.

1737
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh, and maybe I should walk back a little bit.

1738
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,840
Unless it was true love, I mean, there is that, right, But.

1739
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 5: But again, Gloria Leonard end up with Bobby Hollander for

1740
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:44,600
some reason, right, and she's way smarter than that too.

1741
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,800
I don't know why she was with him, and even

1742
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,319
her daughter doesn't know why she was with Yeah, I

1743
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:52,640
don't know love love, the heart wants, but the heart

1744
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,199
wants and weird scenarios, you know.

1745
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,319
Speaker 3: Well, that's a tangent around she came on the bus.

1746
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,199
Should we talk about Francis anything else?

1747
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,079
Speaker 7: Just you know, just sort of the release history, right,

1748
01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:11,239
you know, the earliest I found was April sixty nine,

1749
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,960
and the latest I found was June seventy five in Texas. Yeah, Jesus,

1750
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,359
And actually that Texas theater is also the last I

1751
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,840
found for Francie when we get to that. So it's

1752
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,920
interesting these two really was the true final screening for

1753
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,199
both of them. But it's interesting that at least as

1754
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:33,520
far as I've found those they both ended at the

1755
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,359
same the same and it's in McCallum, Texas, wherever the

1756
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,840
hell that is. So here's they both might have had

1757
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,119
a similar ending.

1758
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so weird. Black and white movies playing as

1759
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,000
latest seventy five is wild.

1760
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,319
Speaker 7: Well, Francie was seventy seven when when when that played.

1761
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,239
Speaker 5: It went even later. That's even crazier.

1762
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,279
Speaker 7: Wow, the film and the film it was it was

1763
01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:57,319
the bottom of the ticket. The top of the ticket

1764
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,119
was You'll love this sweet punk.

1765
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 5: Can Oh what, Oh my god, that's crazy. That's really crazy. Wow,

1766
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,239
I don't Yeah, it's looking at some of these bills

1767
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:15,279
when we do these release histories and stuff, it really

1768
01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:19,119
is mind boggling what some theater people are thinking and

1769
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:20,600
what the audiences must have thought.

1770
01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 7: Just if there's C. J.

1771
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 5: Lang deep throating John Holmes, and then at a certain

1772
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,479
amount of time later Alisa Fontaine coming of age with

1773
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,199
the guy writing songs about her very different movies.

1774
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 3: And I also wonder like if audience members were really

1775
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,399
aware of the distinction, like, Okay, this is a hardcore movie,

1776
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,159
this is a softcore movie. I don't think they I

1777
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:44,039
don't know if they really were. They're just kind of

1778
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:46,439
sitting through it, like, eh, it's all sex.

1779
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I think they might have felt hoodwinked by

1780
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:49,520
seventy seven.

1781
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:53,119
Speaker 3: By seventy seven, yeah, maybe hoodwinked.

1782
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 7: Or it could have been the film to you clear

1783
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,319
out the theater, or or or Also we have to

1784
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:01,760
remember that a lot of times no one was watching

1785
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:02,600
the movies.

1786
01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 3: On the screens exactly.

1787
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 5: Keep forgetting that because I'm not the target audience, because

1788
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,159
that's correct, because I wouldn't be doing that right exactly,

1789
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,960
I'd be watching very diligently the screen.

1790
01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: Especially if it's a drive in then yeah, like stuff

1791
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:19,359
that's going on.

1792
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 1: I was a little older then, but still too young

1793
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,119
to see what was going to happen that night.

1794
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 3: Francis Friday.

1795
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's get to the main thing now that we've

1796
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,079
spent an hour talking.

1797
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 5: I know, well, actually I wanted to say I had

1798
01:30:47,079 --> 01:30:50,039
never seen this. I had bought the DVDR and I'd

1799
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,239
never watched it, and so I was like, this is perfect,

1800
01:30:52,359 --> 01:30:54,439
I can find it. There aren't that many movies that

1801
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,960
we've done on the podcast so far that I have

1802
01:30:57,039 --> 01:30:59,079
been first time watches for me. So I watched it

1803
01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:02,039
this morning and I was just like, first of Alisa Fonteine,

1804
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:05,279
I mean, I love her anyway, really good in this,

1805
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,800
And yeah, I really liked it. I'm so glad you

1806
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,239
picked it because it finally gave me the intentive to

1807
01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:13,520
finally watch it. Yeah, I really liked it.

1808
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I in the intro there I kind

1809
01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:20,479
of compared it to Secret Places. I think there is

1810
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,920
a similar feeling there. There's sort of a melancholy there.

1811
01:31:24,319 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 6: You know.

1812
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,279
Speaker 3: I also mentioned like, is this a dark comedy? I

1813
01:31:27,319 --> 01:31:30,359
don't know, what do you think Casey or Sean I

1814
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:30,720
think it.

1815
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think, Sean?

1816
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,159
Speaker 7: I think that there's an attempts at dark humor. I

1817
01:31:35,279 --> 01:31:37,359
haven't thought of it as a dark comedy, but I

1818
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:39,079
can see I can see where you're coming from on that.

1819
01:31:39,159 --> 01:31:41,840
It's probably worth a rewatch to to get that, because

1820
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,119
I haven't. I didn't rewatch it all the way through

1821
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:46,920
leading up to this. I rewatched probably all of it

1822
01:31:47,039 --> 01:31:49,359
three or four times, but not as a sit down,

1823
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,119
you know. I had to dissect certain scenes and so forth.

1824
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:54,319
So it is time for me to go back and

1825
01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:56,119
give it an actual run through.

1826
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially all the stuff with her mother at the beginning.

1827
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,000
It's just so over the top with her injury and

1828
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:08,039
her in the wheelchair falling down the stairs.

1829
01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:12,359
Speaker 5: That actress, though, is so well cast, because initially I

1830
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:16,359
thought from from a from a distance, from the camera distance,

1831
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,039
I thought it was Alicia Fontaine, just with her hair

1832
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:22,880
up in a different style. Very well cast, who looks

1833
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,039
like she could be her mother, which does not happen

1834
01:32:26,079 --> 01:32:28,560
in these films. You don't really have that kind of

1835
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,880
close family casting. Yeah, we still knew who she was either, right, Sean,

1836
01:32:33,039 --> 01:32:34,880
Like that most of the cast on this is kind

1837
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:35,479
of a mystery.

1838
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, we don't. I have one of these sort of

1839
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:42,520
I think fake memories that three four years ago I

1840
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,840
had identified her. It's nowhere in my notes, though, I

1841
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,000
haven't been able to find anything on it, so I

1842
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:51,479
think I'm misremembering that. I hope i am, because if

1843
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,159
I lost that information, I'm never going to forgive myself.

1844
01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:56,560
But yeah, she's She's one of the many unknowns that

1845
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,520
are in this film. I did identify the father, which

1846
01:32:59,560 --> 01:32:59,880
we'll get to.

1847
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:00,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1848
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 3: Great, Well give us a quick overview then, Sean, do

1849
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,159
you want to do that of the plot of Franci's Friday.

1850
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it sounds like it's

1851
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:11,800
all going to happen on one day, which I don't

1852
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,640
think it does. You know, it's a clever name that

1853
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,960
does multiple Fridays. Yeah. So Francie is a you know,

1854
01:33:20,119 --> 01:33:23,319
coming of age girl that's going through the whole sexual thing.

1855
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,880
She's got an overbearing mother. When she was young, she

1856
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,640
sort of saw her mother basically having an orgy when

1857
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,680
her father was out of town on one of what

1858
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,159
she had multiple times. It seems like every time he

1859
01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:37,960
left town she would have these same guys over and

1860
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:40,119
on one of those, her mother, you know, they tripped

1861
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:43,680
and she fell and she basically, you know, hurt herself

1862
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,159
to where she was in a wheelchair the rest of

1863
01:33:45,239 --> 01:33:49,960
her life and eventually I and honestly it's been a

1864
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,039
few years, so Gentry helped me out on this. Does

1865
01:33:52,079 --> 01:33:54,359
the mother commit suicide or or was.

1866
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 6: That an Yeah?

1867
01:33:56,079 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 3: She was reaching, really, she's reaching. She reaching down to

1868
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,199
grab this cigarette lighter and then she fell down the stairs.

1869
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:06,279
I thought in her I thought she did it.

1870
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 5: I thought she defiantly did it. That is what I recall.

1871
01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:11,079
I just watched it this morning. I thought she did

1872
01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:14,840
it deliberately. She kills the dog first. Yeah, she kills

1873
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:15,640
the dog first.

1874
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe that's why I was thinking it was a suicide, right.

1875
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 3: That scene is awkward though, yeah, because, yeah, she finds

1876
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,439
her mom at the bottom of the stairs. But then

1877
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,840
she sees that there's smoke coming out of the garage

1878
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,520
and she goes in there, but her mom's not in

1879
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,359
the garage, Like that would have been the suicide. If

1880
01:34:35,359 --> 01:34:37,960
you're going to commit suicide, why don't she just you know,

1881
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,720
huff some fumes in the garage. But no, it's the

1882
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,760
dog that she kills. In the garage.

1883
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a confusing that her father had already died.

1884
01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:52,000
I guess I skipped over that right alcoholic. Yeah, and

1885
01:34:53,079 --> 01:34:56,159
so Francis left on her own. I guess she's still

1886
01:34:56,319 --> 01:34:59,880
like a teenager supposedly at that point that she's young anyway, right,

1887
01:35:01,319 --> 01:35:05,079
And well, I guess before her mother dies, she she's

1888
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:07,920
also had this whole you know, gang bang with some

1889
01:35:08,039 --> 01:35:10,520
boys at the airport and gotten in trouble. And she

1890
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,319
has that scene that she allude to gentry at the

1891
01:35:13,359 --> 01:35:17,800
beginning of the of the show, with her talking about

1892
01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:20,439
sex and knowing people and so forth, and.

1893
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 5: That is a really good line.

1894
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1895
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,159
Speaker 7: Yeah. And along the way she meets and I forget

1896
01:35:29,239 --> 01:35:31,319
his character's name, but she meets Kenny Chandler. He's the

1897
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:36,560
guy that played the main character who's kind of a musician, uh,

1898
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,000
kind of you know, one of you know, a regular

1899
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:42,560
sort of late sixties kind of guy, and he definitely

1900
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,079
has the hots for her, pursues her, finally, you know,

1901
01:35:46,199 --> 01:35:48,640
gets with her. When then we find out that he's

1902
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,520
also living with a woman another person who immediately knows

1903
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,680
what he's done. And she has that one scene that's

1904
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:59,239
Holly Conover has that one scene and she's gone scene.

1905
01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:03,680
Yeah it is, uh, and and I've tracked her down. Uh,

1906
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,520
she she was, she's she is from Florida. She's still

1907
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,600
down here. She was a beauty pageant queen type for

1908
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,199
one of the counties in south west Florida. Her father

1909
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:17,960
was a county commissioner, so one of these types. So

1910
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:20,600
kind of that scene is a little bit interesting that

1911
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,760
someone like that would, would you know, just go topless,

1912
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,680
just so so freely young. She was in a couple

1913
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,560
other films later in the seventies, but since since you know,

1914
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,359
since I guess the late seventies, it looks like she's

1915
01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:36,399
been heavily in the real estate market in Florida and

1916
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,960
very successful at it. So so yeah, so so she

1917
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:43,680
leaves the Kenny and the rest of the film is

1918
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,439
really about Francy and Kenny sort of having this relationship.

1919
01:36:48,319 --> 01:36:52,520
Francie is very sexual, very sexual. She has her alliances.

1920
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,760
They have pool parties, they have sex parties. It seems

1921
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,479
like by the way that one scene where the couple

1922
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,159
go to the bedroom and basically get it on and

1923
01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:06,960
the people are walking by the hallway looking in on them,

1924
01:37:07,159 --> 01:37:10,560
and Alicia and Kenny or one of them. I get

1925
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,840
the impression that whoever those two actors and actresses were

1926
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,720
in that bedroom scene didn't get the memo that this

1927
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:17,439
was soft core.

1928
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 5: Yes, I thought the exact same thing. I said, Okay,

1929
01:37:21,039 --> 01:37:23,920
this they had to edit around this, I think, yeah,

1930
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,840
yeah it is. It is very graphic.

1931
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:32,119
Speaker 7: Yes, there there's there's definitely some Yeah, there's some motions

1932
01:37:32,199 --> 01:37:34,840
that that are like, okay that that wasn't tucked away.

1933
01:37:35,279 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the like humping the leg type of softcore. Yeah, no,

1934
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:39,960
you can tell.

1935
01:37:40,079 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 5: It's not like the rest of the movie. The rest

1936
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,520
of the movie isn't like that. So it's just kind

1937
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,079
of like, oh, this dope goes into X territory. I

1938
01:37:46,079 --> 01:37:48,840
could see this getting an R otherwise Yeah, yeah.

1939
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, uh and and uh and it kind of ends

1940
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,119
on I guess you use the word melancholy a melancholy note.

1941
01:37:56,199 --> 01:37:58,640
I mean, it's like just sort of you know, it

1942
01:37:58,840 --> 01:37:59,600
ends basically.

1943
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean it's a really sweet ending, you know, where

1944
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,960
they're having that you know, just like a very frank

1945
01:38:05,039 --> 01:38:08,720
conversation about their relationship together, like do we want to

1946
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,439
have an open relationship? Which they were kind of like

1947
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,560
playing around with for a while, and you know, yeah,

1948
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,720
it's it's a really sweet movie. I really liked it.

1949
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 5: That long shot on the fireplace, Yeah, that song is

1950
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,039
really good. Everyone reminded me of like the end of

1951
01:38:23,079 --> 01:38:26,399
a war long movie where it's just like, okay, you

1952
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:28,880
have to you have to kind of yeah, you have

1953
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,079
to work through this, while what we just experienced before

1954
01:38:32,119 --> 01:38:32,720
you see the end.

1955
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, so all of that guitar, the guitar music was Kenny.

1956
01:38:37,159 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 3: I was going to ask if that was really and

1957
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,560
that's really him singing right? It is because because you

1958
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,960
sent us a clip of Kenny singing right, that was

1959
01:38:48,039 --> 01:38:48,680
also Kenny.

1960
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,319
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, that's definitely Kenny. Yeah, so talk about him

1961
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:52,800
a little.

1962
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's okay, absolutely, Yeah, he's great.

1963
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,239
Speaker 7: Yeah. So so I got in contact with him and

1964
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,760
we talked a few weeks ago for over two hours.

1965
01:39:02,319 --> 01:39:06,159
And he's eighty five I think now, but still very

1966
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:10,159
much around, still very active. He lives in Nevada now,

1967
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:17,319
still still writing recording, he's doing videos now, the two

1968
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:19,159
of these guys, one of them. Maybe we can put

1969
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:23,600
some of those in the notes to go. So he

1970
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,239
has an incredible life story and I'm only going to

1971
01:39:27,279 --> 01:39:30,600
scratch the surface today on that. But he was born

1972
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:33,840
in the thirties in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. By the time he

1973
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,520
was thirteen, he discovered he liked singing. He had a

1974
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,520
great voice, he was told, so he started singing that

1975
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,600
early in school stuff. In high school he was a

1976
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,640
basketball star, track star, and he had groups. He got

1977
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:51,760
into singing groups. He had a threesome that when they

1978
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,960
graduated high school, got a recording contract in Philadelphia. So

1979
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,600
right out of high school he was recording with these

1980
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,840
guys last too long, though they did record some songs

1981
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,720
that you can find out there. They did tour, but

1982
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:07,720
the other two guys, one of them got married, the

1983
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,840
other one joined the army, I think, And so Kenny

1984
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:14,760
headed to New York. And he wasn't born Kenny Chandler.

1985
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,319
He was born Kenny Bolonaise. But when he got to

1986
01:40:17,399 --> 01:40:19,880
New York and he got signed there, that's where Chandler

1987
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,720
he took the name Kenny Chandler. She still goes by today.

1988
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,680
And all through the sixties he was writing songs, he

1989
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,600
was recording, he was touring. In the mid sixties, he

1990
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:37,199
lost his voice and Burt Bacharak, actually the famous music guy,

1991
01:40:38,039 --> 01:40:40,399
was the guy that gave him got him in contact

1992
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:44,439
with Marlena Dietrich's Doctor of all People, and that guy

1993
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,479
helped him and he wound up. After about a year,

1994
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,720
he got his voice back and continued picked up where

1995
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,720
he left off recording and so forth. There he toured

1996
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:57,439
with everybody. I mean, Freddy Cannon, Bobby Vinton, Dion Warwick,

1997
01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:00,720
another name that he toured with. And this is my

1998
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,560
my daughter's favorite, one of one of her favorite guys.

1999
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:08,520
And he just passed away yesterday. Actually, Neil saidakh uh,

2000
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,720
And so I said, I got. I got to ask

2001
01:41:11,079 --> 01:41:13,239
Kenny about Neil Neil Sadaka for my daughter, and I

2002
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:16,279
told him one of my daughters. He's like, ah, Neil,

2003
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:17,520
I didn't like him.

2004
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:19,159
Speaker 3: I don't tell you.

2005
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:22,199
Speaker 7: That's exactly what I said. I think maybe I won't

2006
01:41:22,199 --> 01:41:24,680
tell him. He said they did not get along. He

2007
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:28,000
did not think highly of Neil Sadak at all. In fact,

2008
01:41:28,039 --> 01:41:29,760
I think he said he nearly came to blows with

2009
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:30,960
him at well at least one time.

2010
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 5: So wow, but uh, kind of a diva?

2011
01:41:35,279 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 3: What kind of music was he playing with these on

2012
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,319
these tours? Is he solo? Is he with a full band?

2013
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,039
Speaker 7: It was? It was so, I mean, there's there's there's backing,

2014
01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:45,560
of course, but it's primarily him, and then you have

2015
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,199
a backing band, I think, and you know it's it's

2016
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:51,159
you can follow his sort of style through the early sixties,

2017
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:54,239
which was really doo wop, early rock and roll, you know,

2018
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:58,119
and then then it gets more it follows the trends,

2019
01:41:58,199 --> 01:42:02,159
I would say. Throughout the sixties he was also writing

2020
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:06,319
jingles for commercials. You started that in the sixties he

2021
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:10,319
got really involved with CBS. He was actually on the

2022
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,399
soap opera called Edge of Night for a time and

2023
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:16,600
he got to know one of the big wigs at

2024
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:20,319
CBS through that, through the Edge of a Night, I believe, engagement,

2025
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,479
and he was writing jingles for CBS. And in seventy four,

2026
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,359
seventy three, seventy four I think was the first year

2027
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:32,199
he actually wrote the promo jingle for the entire network. Now,

2028
01:42:32,279 --> 01:42:34,600
back in the seventies, especially every year, it would be

2029
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:37,600
a big thing where they would announce their fall lineup

2030
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:41,800
and they would you know, really promote themselves as the network. Right,

2031
01:42:42,199 --> 01:42:44,239
So he came up with the tagline and he came

2032
01:42:44,359 --> 01:42:47,439
up with the theme song for CBS for that entire season.

2033
01:42:48,319 --> 01:42:50,279
The next year, the same guy's like, hey, Kenny, I

2034
01:42:50,359 --> 01:42:52,319
want you to do it again. Give me five, give

2035
01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:54,279
me five options, and I'll choose one. So he gives

2036
01:42:54,319 --> 01:42:57,119
them five, he chooses one, and the guy's like, Okay, Kenny,

2037
01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:59,560
this time you're going to be in these So and

2038
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,680
I've not And for all the other years I found stuff.

2039
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:04,439
For this year, I've not really found a good video

2040
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,960
of him. But in seventy four seventy five, for that season,

2041
01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:11,680
he again wrote the entire campaign, wrote the music, recorded

2042
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:15,640
the music, and was in the promos as a troubadour

2043
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:17,960
comes agin. It was kind of the idea they were

2044
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,640
going for. And and he won an award, him and

2045
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,880
him and the guy that did it with won a

2046
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:26,800
major advertising award or whatever for that year. You know,

2047
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,880
he's been in some movies, and he was in Tammy

2048
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,560
and the t Rex, which I know you put in

2049
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,640
the show notes there. I asked him about that. I

2050
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:38,199
asked him if he remembered Buck Flowers, who was also Oh, yes,

2051
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,560
one of our smunty favorites.

2052
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:41,119
Speaker 6: Guys.

2053
01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 7: I love him, and he like, I don I don't

2054
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,199
think so. Then he's like, was he kind of a

2055
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:47,079
goofy guy? I'm like, yeah, that that would have been

2056
01:43:47,279 --> 01:43:48,439
That would have been Buck Flowers.

2057
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2058
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, I never talked to him anything, but I remember

2059
01:43:52,199 --> 01:43:53,319
it being kind of a goofy guy.

2060
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,079
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think they had any scenes together,

2061
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,239
so I don't think I remembered him.

2062
01:43:58,319 --> 01:44:03,319
Speaker 7: But yeah, but he apparently so he, like I said,

2063
01:44:03,359 --> 01:44:06,520
he's still around. He's done voiceover work fairly recently for

2064
01:44:07,159 --> 01:44:12,439
cartoons and so forth, some American versions of some anime stuff. Look,

2065
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,720
I'm only scratching the surface. Honestly, we could do two

2066
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,720
hours like I did with him. We could do four

2067
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:19,920
hours on this guy. There's a book to be written

2068
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,119
about this guy. I'm not even telling you the Sidney

2069
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:24,640
Portier connection or anything like that.

2070
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so clearly music's a big part of his

2071
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:33,039
life and it was. Then is that part of the

2072
01:44:33,079 --> 01:44:34,520
reason you think he got cast in.

2073
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 7: This it's he really wanted to be an actor. And

2074
01:44:39,039 --> 01:44:40,880
I guess I will go into the Sidney Poitier thing

2075
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,079
a little because it is pertinent to that he Sydney

2076
01:44:44,119 --> 01:44:46,399
Portier was always one of his favorite actors, and he's

2077
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:48,600
when he was living in New York, he would have

2078
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:52,159
lunch at this restaurant across from Carnegie hall a lot,

2079
01:44:53,039 --> 01:44:54,800
and he got to know the waitresses there and they

2080
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,319
got to talking about Sidney Poitier one day and they said, hey,

2081
01:44:57,359 --> 01:45:00,239
you know he comes in here sometimes, and Kenny's not.

2082
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:02,600
Ten minutes later he came in there and sat down

2083
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,840
and they got to talking and they got to be

2084
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:07,920
kind of friendly and would see each other a little

2085
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,880
bit around town after that, and Sydney gave him got

2086
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,039
him in contact with his own is Sidney Poitier's acting coach.

2087
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,600
So this is when Canny really wanted to try to

2088
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,239
try his handed acting. So a year later, he's walking

2089
01:45:21,319 --> 01:45:23,079
down the street somewhere in New York and he sees

2090
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:25,960
Poitier walking and he hadn't seen him in a while,

2091
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,560
and he's like, hey, how you doing And he's like, hey,

2092
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,439
you still remember me. He's like, Sydney, it's only been

2093
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,920
a year. It's important phrase for a minute here, and

2094
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,239
he's like, so, what have you been doing the last

2095
01:45:34,319 --> 01:45:36,000
Year's like, well, I'm still with your acting coach. And

2096
01:45:36,079 --> 01:45:37,880
Puddy said, well, if you're it's a year in and

2097
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:40,800
you're still with him, you must have something. So so

2098
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:42,680
that kind of was a good I mean, Sidney Poitier,

2099
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,439
come on you telling you you must talk. Thirty years later,

2100
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,079
he's living in la He's going to dinner one night,

2101
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,079
goes into the restaurant and Poitier is sitting there and

2102
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:54,399
their eyes neat. He points, Pitier points at him, goes over.

2103
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,520
They hug each other and say, hey, Sydney, it's only

2104
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:01,960
been thirty years, you know. After that, so he was

2105
01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:05,039
trying his hand at acting already before this, he had

2106
01:46:05,039 --> 01:46:07,760
an agent. Actually he said he had four or five agents,

2107
01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:10,880
kind of you know, he would take whatever would come along,

2108
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,159
so he didn't wasn't exclusive to one agent. And this

2109
01:46:13,319 --> 01:46:16,600
is where it gets a little fuzzy on what happened when.

2110
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:19,039
And I didn't have time to go back and get

2111
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,199
clarity from him before we started the day. But either

2112
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,560
his agent either he was already with Alisha before the movie,

2113
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:31,800
but more likely he met Alisha through the movie, and

2114
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:33,800
they might have shared the same agent. That's kind of

2115
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,760
what it sounds like, because I'm pretty it's pretty clear

2116
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:39,920
that they probably met in this agent's office. And he said,

2117
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,039
agent is just floored whenever he saw her the first time, right,

2118
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,720
And so the agent called him up and said, hey,

2119
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:49,880
this guy from New Jersey, Kurt he said, this is

2120
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,800
what Kenny said. He's like, this guy from New Jersey's

2121
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,960
name's Curtis. Ledger called me up and says, can you

2122
01:46:54,039 --> 01:46:57,159
send me some headshots of a man and a woman

2123
01:46:57,239 --> 01:46:58,840
for this film I want to make? Told him what

2124
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,279
kind of film it was, so he sent, among others,

2125
01:47:01,399 --> 01:47:04,399
Kenny and Alisha's over and he said, Curtis, you know,

2126
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,439
said that when he saw Alisha, he just fell in love,

2127
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:08,359
like there was no question she was not going to

2128
01:47:08,399 --> 01:47:11,560
be the one he chose. Kenny he liked, but he

2129
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:13,439
wanted to meet him, so they went out to New Jersey,

2130
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,199
met Leger the first time. Ledger liked what he looked

2131
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:18,199
like in person, signed him up. So that's how they

2132
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:21,920
got involved again. I'm the version I tend to think

2133
01:47:22,039 --> 01:47:25,319
is more accurate. Is they met that way? They got

2134
01:47:25,359 --> 01:47:27,000
to know each other on the film, and he said

2135
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:30,439
she was battie. She was really kind of all over

2136
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,159
the place, sort of you know, kind of crazy ish,

2137
01:47:33,319 --> 01:47:38,000
not crazy, but crazy ish, if you will. And he

2138
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:40,880
kind of pushed through that when he got to know

2139
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,199
her and kind of found the real her, and they

2140
01:47:43,239 --> 01:47:47,359
eventually fell in love and they after the film was over,

2141
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,640
he said he went to her apartment in New York

2142
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,640
and it was a one room junk apartment, is the

2143
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,439
way he described it. He was like, how can you

2144
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,520
live He's cluster foedick. He couldn't stay in there. So

2145
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,680
she found up moving in with him, and they were

2146
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,479
together for a few years, living together in his apartment

2147
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,039
up in the eighties on Second Avenue in the eighties

2148
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,279
for a few years. Now, take a little bit of

2149
01:48:08,319 --> 01:48:11,000
an aside here. That apartment that was his up all

2150
01:48:11,159 --> 01:48:13,600
on Second Avenue and I think eighty six. The corner

2151
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,680
I think it's that's where it's at was used for

2152
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,640
a film around that time while they were living there,

2153
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:21,119
The Prisoner of Second Avenue.

2154
01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you're kidding. I love that movie.

2155
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:27,359
Speaker 7: Oh my god.

2156
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,680
Speaker 5: Really wow, that's a great apartment.

2157
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,119
Speaker 7: So they lived together for a few years. But you know,

2158
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:38,359
she was she was, like he said, he was just

2159
01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:40,000
still kind of crazy. He said, I got I got

2160
01:48:40,039 --> 01:48:42,560
to know her crazy brothers and her mother. She was

2161
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,079
really crazy, I think was the quote I have from that.

2162
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:48,600
But he's saying this in a good way, right, and

2163
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,680
and sort of they were crazy, but you know, and

2164
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,520
finally they you know, I'm not going to get it.

2165
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,199
He gave me a lot of details. I'm not going

2166
01:48:56,279 --> 01:48:59,479
to get into those on air here, but they did

2167
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:04,520
eventually break up and she moved out. She one story

2168
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,600
I forgot to tell while they were together, and he

2169
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,000
used to use this as an illustration of how giving

2170
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:11,319
she was, how kind and giving she was, even though

2171
01:49:11,319 --> 01:49:13,800
she was crazy, she was still a very very you know,

2172
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,640
good person, if you if you will. They were walking

2173
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:18,680
down the street and she had this bracelet on and

2174
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,199
they ran into someone that she kind of sort of knew,

2175
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:24,239
and they got to talking and the lady said, hey,

2176
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,560
I really love your bracelet, and Alicia just took it

2177
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,000
off and give it to her like it was, you know,

2178
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,840
a good gift there. And I got to think it

2179
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,520
and I did reach back out to him on this.

2180
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,079
I said, you know, there's a story about Alicia that

2181
01:49:36,119 --> 01:49:39,560
she had really she had gotten a diamond bracelet where

2182
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:42,479
several thousand dollars from the Prince of Kuwait. This is

2183
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:44,760
one of those Earl Wilson sort of type, you know place,

2184
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:49,239
and is there any chance that that could have been

2185
01:49:49,319 --> 01:49:51,199
that bracelet, because that, you know, that could explain why

2186
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:52,760
she Also she's like, well, here, you can have it.

2187
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:55,600
Because you know, she didn't actually earn it, if you

2188
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:57,640
I mean, she shouldn't buy it or anything. He's like,

2189
01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:59,640
you know, I've heard that story, but I can't tell

2190
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,520
you whether it was that bracelet or not, So I can't.

2191
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,039
I like to think it was, though. Yeah. Yeah, So

2192
01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:08,520
they broke up. He ran into her a few years

2193
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,960
later in New York. They had a cordial conversation. Then

2194
01:50:12,119 --> 01:50:15,000
several years later, after he was in LA they got

2195
01:50:15,039 --> 01:50:16,920
put back together. I'm going to put it that way.

2196
01:50:17,319 --> 01:50:20,520
It did not end well that time at all, very

2197
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,039
kind of nasty, and he hasn't talked or seen or

2198
01:50:24,079 --> 01:50:28,359
heard about her since then. So unfortunately that story did

2199
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:30,439
not have a happy ending for the two of them.

2200
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:32,960
But but he's you know, he's married to someone now

2201
01:50:33,079 --> 01:50:35,760
and they he does have a happy well not ending,

2202
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:37,760
but he has a happy to this point, I'll put

2203
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:38,199
it that way.

2204
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh that's so basically, so it sounds

2205
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:45,000
like they were dating when she was like in Teenage

2206
01:50:45,039 --> 01:50:47,000
Tramp and her other stuff that she was in around

2207
01:50:47,039 --> 01:50:50,239
that time, because that would have been early seventies.

2208
01:50:50,279 --> 01:50:52,079
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would have to be. Yeah, so so it

2209
01:50:52,119 --> 01:50:55,479
would be at least from seventy one for Francy, and

2210
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,560
it sounded like a few years so probably seventy four.

2211
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:00,279
I'm thinking seventy five here.

2212
01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 5: Okay, interesting, that's very interesting. I mean that definitely. It's

2213
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:06,880
something that I think of when I watch. I'm like

2214
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:10,520
learning that it will make me think about other things

2215
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,359
about her. When I'm watching those.

2216
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:14,560
Speaker 3: Films, I think you can see, yeah, you can see

2217
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:18,880
a little of the craziness come through, and like French Quarter, Yeah,

2218
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,840
she's a little off kilter in that certain scenes.

2219
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 7: It's interesting those on those on French Quarter especially it's

2220
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,840
in the late sixties leading into Francy. You see her

2221
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,600
showing up in these columns, you know, obvious placements by

2222
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:38,239
her agent, most likely maybe Hal and Linda. I don't

2223
01:51:38,319 --> 01:51:41,079
know at that point, but it's the Earl's one of

2224
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:45,720
the guys that's doing it. So and then she has Fancy,

2225
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,239
she has the Gang that Couldn't Shoot straight. She has

2226
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:50,800
one or two other films around that time. Then there's

2227
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:54,239
kind of a lull, and then like around French Quarter time,

2228
01:51:54,279 --> 01:51:57,479
it's like she's reintroduced and she starts showing up big

2229
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,800
time again. She was in Shamus at a few other

2230
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:03,159
so she's almost got like two parts to her kind

2231
01:52:03,159 --> 01:52:05,840
of short career there, but she does have long enough

2232
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,000
career to have really two different eras of it.

2233
01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I when I was looking at her career,

2234
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,479
I was and watching her films, I was thinking about

2235
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:18,000
Monica Gale. I feel like they're very similar.

2236
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 5: Career, very distinctive, separate halves.

2237
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:25,359
Speaker 3: Yes, but plus they also are just two gorgeous, talented

2238
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:29,000
women that really never got a really big break.

2239
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 5: Even with leads. Yeah, because I mean Alicia is the

2240
01:52:33,039 --> 01:52:37,920
lead in this ante enage tramp. Very actually similar rules,

2241
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:42,600
very similar kind of roles in those. Yeah, but I've

2242
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,960
always loved her. I've always been a huge Alicia fronteam person. Yeah.

2243
01:52:46,039 --> 01:52:49,039
Speaker 3: So, I mean, Sean, what happened? Like, I mean, she's

2244
01:52:49,279 --> 01:52:53,000
got an agent that's hustling for, but she never got anything.

2245
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,359
I mean, French Quarter was probably her biggest role.

2246
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 7: The one she's I think most known for for sure.

2247
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:04,279
I mean I don't know, and really until fairly recently,

2248
01:53:04,319 --> 01:53:07,800
I would say we didn't know where she'd win even right, right,

2249
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,399
I mean it's pretty much after what's seventy seventy eight,

2250
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:15,159
seventy nine, Yeah, she's done, right yep.

2251
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like she didn't do TV stuff, did she?

2252
01:53:18,319 --> 01:53:20,039
Speaker 7: Uh, not that I'm aware of.

2253
01:53:20,359 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 5: So, because she was always new I think she was

2254
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:24,479
pretty much always New York. I don't think she went

2255
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,279
out to California and French Quarter was shot on location?

2256
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,319
Speaker 3: Was it not in y yep? That was in New Orleans, yep.

2257
01:53:30,359 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 7: All he was in California at least. I don't know

2258
01:53:34,119 --> 01:53:36,520
that she was working a working actress, and I don't

2259
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,119
think she was, I think from that standpoint, your correct, casey.

2260
01:53:39,159 --> 01:53:43,720
But she definitely did move to California for yeah, several decades,

2261
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:46,039
I think, But I don't know what she was doing

2262
01:53:46,119 --> 01:53:47,640
out there. I don't know that it was had anything

2263
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:49,439
to do with films or TV at that point.

2264
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,520
Speaker 5: Right, So, actually, you know what, You're right because I

2265
01:53:53,279 --> 01:53:56,640
found her attached to an address in Hollywood. Yes, so

2266
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,439
you were right. Yes, I don't know why I forgot that. Yes,

2267
01:53:59,520 --> 01:53:59,880
that's right.

2268
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:03,359
Speaker 7: And also that's where her and kennyed had their final meeting,

2269
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,159
was out in LA and he said she she was

2270
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:08,000
obviously living out there as well. The whole town has

2271
01:54:08,039 --> 01:54:10,640
a few things about your to mother. What do you

2272
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:12,880
mean there's a lot of men in this town.

2273
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,199
Speaker 9: That know you real good mon?

2274
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:19,600
Speaker 8: Francy, you're talking to your mother. You know what it

2275
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:26,000
means when they say in the Bible to know, it

2276
01:54:26,079 --> 01:54:26,920
means to fuck.

2277
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,039
Speaker 7: I want to talk a little bit about her, a

2278
01:54:29,079 --> 01:54:33,119
little bit more about her now, Yeah, yeah, I think so. I,

2279
01:54:33,399 --> 01:54:35,279
as you guys know, I kind of I was got

2280
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:38,600
so focused on on Kenny Chandler. I kind of forgot

2281
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:39,960
about Alicia, believe it or not.

2282
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:44,319
Speaker 5: And it's a good story. It's easy to it's easy

2283
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:47,600
to forget because Kenny's story sounds amazing. I totally get it.

2284
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:48,039
Speaker 6: Yea.

2285
01:54:48,079 --> 01:54:50,079
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I had I had a warm body to

2286
01:54:50,439 --> 01:54:54,720
to talk to. But so so I'm like, well, we

2287
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,279
probably need to look a little bit into Alicia's background.

2288
01:54:57,479 --> 01:55:00,439
I'm glad. I'm glad I did, because we we've I

2289
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,159
believe it's safe to say at this point we at

2290
01:55:03,239 --> 01:55:06,319
least determine where she came from, and we believe where

2291
01:55:06,359 --> 01:55:09,000
she's at, we believe she's still around. So she was

2292
01:55:09,079 --> 01:55:12,359
born in Virginia, she grew up, it looks like in

2293
01:55:13,239 --> 01:55:16,399
New Jersey, about sixty or seventy miles from where Francy

2294
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:21,640
was shot, so southern New Jersey. She was what she

2295
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:25,600
was in the drama club, the varsity club. She played hockey,

2296
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:29,720
it seems like in high school, and not long after

2297
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,600
high school she graduated, I think in sixty seven, So

2298
01:55:33,079 --> 01:55:35,319
about a year later is when she starts showing up

2299
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,279
in these columns and promotions in New York City. So

2300
01:55:39,079 --> 01:55:41,920
she I'm thinking she probably got on the first train

2301
01:55:42,079 --> 01:55:46,199
north up the Northeast Corridor to New York City after graduation.

2302
01:55:46,359 --> 01:55:49,039
I don't know that, but it wasn't long after graduation

2303
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:52,359
that she shows up in New York City there and again,

2304
01:55:52,479 --> 01:55:58,680
she sort of dropped off the planet after seventy nine ish. Actually,

2305
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:01,359
I think there was a TV show that has her

2306
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,560
credited in like ninety one or something like that. Right

2307
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:09,560
really about that, I'm not verified at all whether that's

2308
01:56:10,119 --> 01:56:12,600
accurate or not. It doesn't feel like it, but it

2309
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:14,000
could be. You never know it.

2310
01:56:14,399 --> 01:56:17,199
Speaker 5: Possibly, yeah, maybe she maybe she knew somebody and they

2311
01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:21,840
threw her favor. It's possible all those years later, so I.

2312
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:23,880
Speaker 7: Went through that very quickly. But I think it's safe

2313
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:25,520
to say that's a lot more than we knew about

2314
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:26,119
her a week ago.

2315
01:56:26,279 --> 01:56:31,319
Speaker 5: So absolutely, absolutely. I Actually I will say I almost

2316
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:34,640
called her earlier today. So to give you, to give

2317
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,239
you an idea of whether since we're threaching out to

2318
01:56:37,439 --> 01:56:39,960
or not. But I said no, I'll wait because I

2319
01:56:40,199 --> 01:56:42,479
was like, I'm not good at cold calls. I have

2320
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:43,439
to figure that one out.

2321
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,119
Speaker 3: You have to yourself a little bit psych yourself up.

2322
01:56:46,319 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I can't just be like, yeah,

2323
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:52,000
we're doing an episode about Francis Friday. What do you

2324
01:56:52,039 --> 01:56:54,279
want to Yeah? Exactly, you know that Sean the best

2325
01:56:54,399 --> 01:56:55,720
you know? Do you know that you have to kind

2326
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:57,199
of prepare and approach for people.

2327
01:56:57,479 --> 01:56:59,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got to prepare an approach and you have

2328
01:56:59,239 --> 01:57:00,640
to prepare your self too.

2329
01:57:01,359 --> 01:57:06,199
Speaker 5: Exactly yep, yep. Mentally yes, right, and yeah, I was

2330
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:07,520
not in the right headspace for that. I was just

2331
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:09,960
kind of like, oh, great, okay, I'm glad I didn't

2332
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:10,600
pick up the phone.

2333
01:57:11,279 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, potentially that that one's too good to do on

2334
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:17,359
a spur of the moment.

2335
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:20,199
Speaker 5: No, you can't throw that away, right exactly. You kind

2336
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:21,199
of have to prepare for that.

2337
01:57:21,479 --> 01:57:23,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, where you want to go next?

2338
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:23,439
Speaker 8: Guys?

2339
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 7: You want to talk a little bit more about people

2340
01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:27,640
or places or things.

2341
01:57:28,399 --> 01:57:31,079
Speaker 3: Oh, I am looking at the cast list again. Well

2342
01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:34,079
I wanted to ask you about Yeah, running through those

2343
01:57:34,119 --> 01:57:36,680
are the two main ones that we know, but there

2344
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:40,479
also is credited the girl who plays Alicia, like as

2345
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,960
a child, a little girl. What's the story? Is there

2346
01:57:44,039 --> 01:57:46,159
any story there? Because I wonder if that's like the

2347
01:57:46,319 --> 01:57:47,720
daughter of someone.

2348
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,239
Speaker 7: There that was get some of my notes on that.

2349
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:58,800
I got so much on Kenny here. Yeah, Barbara Lynn, Yeah, yeah,

2350
01:57:59,039 --> 01:58:01,960
she she she was a local. She's from Woodbridge, New Jersey,

2351
01:58:02,319 --> 01:58:05,720
the local area, and her house, believe it or not,

2352
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:09,560
was right behind the cemetery where the first scene was filmed,

2353
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:14,520
so she truly was local to the film. Her father,

2354
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:20,439
it seems, may have been somehow in business with Ledger himself,

2355
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:24,000
because one of the one of the at least one

2356
01:58:24,039 --> 01:58:26,520
of the ads I think for the car wash company

2357
01:58:27,319 --> 01:58:30,520
was had his house their house listed as the address

2358
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:33,840
to reply to, so it seems like they made there

2359
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:38,079
was some connection there. Her father also had some kind

2360
01:58:38,119 --> 01:58:40,840
of he did some kind of showing of China, fine

2361
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,439
chine or whatever at the World's Fair in sixty four,

2362
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:46,279
So that's that's another World's Fair connection there. Whether that

2363
01:58:46,439 --> 01:58:49,479
was a direct link to Ledger or just a coincidence,

2364
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:53,720
I don't know, but again, there was some direct link

2365
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:56,479
even before Francy as far as the business goes side

2366
01:58:56,479 --> 01:59:01,399
of it, she is still around, and I believe she

2367
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:05,479
lives in Florida now and I think she lives about

2368
01:59:05,479 --> 01:59:08,119
twenty miles or or my daughter goes to college. But

2369
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:12,000
I haven't to her because I figured she was pretty young.

2370
01:59:12,079 --> 01:59:13,920
And you know, I don't know if she was ever

2371
01:59:14,399 --> 01:59:18,199
enough to warrant rattling that tree or not exactly.

2372
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you never know with kids.

2373
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:24,159
Speaker 7: Yes, he's not a kid any longer, but yeah, right,

2374
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:24,960
And I.

2375
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:28,439
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, I don't know if she Yeah, because she's

2376
01:59:28,479 --> 01:59:31,000
playing young Francy. I don't even know if she ever met.

2377
01:59:31,239 --> 01:59:32,720
I mean they probably met on the set.

2378
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 5: She probably met Alicia and Ken maybe yeah.

2379
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't think the call sheet was very extensive

2380
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,880
days here. I mean, if you don't know how long

2381
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:45,359
the shoot was, I can go back and ask him.

2382
01:59:45,399 --> 01:59:47,359
That's the question I probably should have covered. But it

2383
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:51,319
probably wasn't weeks, you know, So you're probably right they

2384
01:59:51,359 --> 01:59:53,279
were there at the same time, most likely.

2385
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2386
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:58,119
Speaker 3: Before we talk yeah, locations and stuff, Well, let's talk

2387
01:59:58,119 --> 02:00:01,079
about Patrick Wright and Tally Cochran. I was like, watching

2388
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:03,039
the movie, I'm like, when are they gonna show up?

2389
02:00:03,159 --> 02:00:05,520
Where are they? And then they show up at the

2390
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:08,319
very end and they and then Patt has steal the movie.

2391
02:00:08,479 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 5: Honestly, no, Patrick is in really annoying mode. Again Patrick,

2392
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:15,920
this is Patrick and sassy mode. This is not, this

2393
02:00:16,079 --> 02:00:19,119
is not. This is not my boyfriend Patrick Wright at

2394
02:00:19,159 --> 02:00:21,079
his best. I'm just like, here we go.

2395
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 3: He's doing like it's as to see voice, He's doing

2396
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:24,279
like it's.

2397
02:00:24,279 --> 02:00:27,399
Speaker 5: Correct, and he's on every single line he says has

2398
02:00:27,439 --> 02:00:30,079
a voice or is dripping and has a yeah, has

2399
02:00:30,079 --> 02:00:32,640
an accent where is dripping in like sarcasm, And I

2400
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,479
was like, I hate this. But Tally plays the southern

2401
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:37,720
bell as she loved to do, is she often asked

2402
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,920
to do because she wasn't sothing bell. She's from, you know, Alabama.

2403
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,399
They met in California, then flew to Rome together and

2404
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:48,720
worked her a little bit in dubbing, which I would

2405
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,319
love to hear those voices in any of those films,

2406
02:00:51,319 --> 02:00:52,239
but I never have.

2407
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,079
Speaker 3: Doing voices so clearly.

2408
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 5: But she also did too, like even going up, you know,

2409
02:00:59,239 --> 02:01:01,199
when they eventually back to California and got involved with

2410
02:01:01,239 --> 02:01:03,319
like a comedy troop. I forget the name of that troop,

2411
02:01:03,399 --> 02:01:05,760
but they did characters and voices and stuff. Both of them.

2412
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:10,000
But yeah, the connection again to casting in New York

2413
02:01:10,079 --> 02:01:13,600
where they kind of fell into that casting agency after

2414
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:16,840
Linda gave it up, and so they inherited all those

2415
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:20,760
clients and all the actors and everybody. So they were

2416
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,760
really involved with casting softcore and hardcore because Linda apparently

2417
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:27,479
did not want to cast hardcore, so producers were coming

2418
02:01:27,479 --> 02:01:29,279
to her were doing it for softcore because she didn't

2419
02:01:29,279 --> 02:01:32,880
want to cast hardcore. But Tally had no problems with that,

2420
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:34,960
and she was doing hardcore herself on the side. A

2421
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:38,159
few little things, yeah, and Patrick too, and you can

2422
02:01:38,439 --> 02:01:40,279
there's a few films with that in there, but not

2423
02:01:40,399 --> 02:01:42,760
a lot. It was mostly sex show stuff they were doing.

2424
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:47,800
But yeah, they ran away from New York after they

2425
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:50,000
got wind at the MOB was going to close in

2426
02:01:50,119 --> 02:01:53,119
on them because they basically had a rolodex of people

2427
02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:55,720
that could potentially drop the dime on and get them

2428
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,439
in trouble with the law for making sex films. So

2429
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:00,720
they ran back to California and she did a little

2430
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:03,640
casting out there, not that much though. I think they

2431
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,520
were mostly involved with like acting and doing other production.

2432
02:02:07,039 --> 02:02:10,000
Patrick and she I think they got involved with like

2433
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:14,239
producing in little tiny movies here and there. Yeah, I mean,

2434
02:02:14,319 --> 02:02:17,279
it's it's fun to see them. It's also because they're

2435
02:02:17,479 --> 02:02:20,600
some of the only other recognizable people in this film, right, So.

2436
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:22,319
Speaker 6: I do like that.

2437
02:02:23,039 --> 02:02:26,159
Speaker 7: I asked Kenny if he remembered them. Oh, yeah, yeah,

2438
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,399
and he said, he's like, I don't remember. Well she,

2439
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:32,039
I said, well, she was the she's she's the one

2440
02:02:32,079 --> 02:02:33,600
of the one of the pool scenes that had a

2441
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:37,239
very strong Southern accent and was the first to disrope.

2442
02:02:37,239 --> 02:02:40,039
And he's like, oh, yeah, I remember that. So he

2443
02:02:40,199 --> 02:02:40,840
remembered that.

2444
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:45,479
Speaker 5: Very memorable miss Tally.

2445
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:47,840
Speaker 3: Well, she's got a really cool outfit too. She's got

2446
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:50,600
like that bowler hat and like the black outfit. Yeah,

2447
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:52,359
she's got looks great.

2448
02:02:53,239 --> 02:02:55,840
Speaker 5: She does. I mean she she was always really adorable

2449
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,039
and I always you know that, I'm a I'm a

2450
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,600
diehard Tally person, not just because I knew her, but

2451
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,880
I loved her even before then. And Patrick I typically

2452
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,439
love too, But he is so annoying in this.

2453
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:09,199
Speaker 3: He looks good.

2454
02:03:09,399 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 5: I'll give him that. I can't I can't deal with this,

2455
02:03:13,039 --> 02:03:16,520
his his character. I love the blonde in that in

2456
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,079
that in those scenes. Actually, the other the blonde who

2457
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:21,439
has the speech who had that dialogue with her about

2458
02:03:21,479 --> 02:03:24,479
talking about how actually it's kind of sad where she's

2459
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:25,600
kind of like, well, I have to do what my

2460
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:27,840
man wants because you know, I figure he's worth it,

2461
02:03:28,319 --> 02:03:31,079
and it's like a terrible message to give to give.

2462
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:34,079
Francy he was kind of like, well, just settle basically,

2463
02:03:34,399 --> 02:03:37,600
just you know, just you know, he's worth it, right,

2464
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:39,520
I'll just do whatever he wants because it's worth it

2465
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:42,119
to keep him right. And it's like, no, no, it's not.

2466
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:44,479
Speaker 1: So yeah.

2467
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,199
Speaker 7: Well, the only other the only other name I got

2468
02:03:47,319 --> 02:03:50,399
for you guys is the father. I actually discovered who

2469
02:03:50,479 --> 02:03:53,840
that was, and I discovered I discovered who he was

2470
02:03:54,039 --> 02:03:57,000
when I was looking for Michael Nimtz, who don't remember

2471
02:03:57,039 --> 02:03:59,760
from some hours ago now, was one of Kurt Ledger's

2472
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:03,239
early partners back in the sixties, and I was looking

2473
02:04:03,279 --> 02:04:05,000
for him, and right in front of me there are

2474
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:09,800
two pictures down from Michael Nemitz's picture was this face,

2475
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:15,239
and I'm like, well, shoot, that's Trancy's father. His name,

2476
02:04:15,359 --> 02:04:19,159
I believe was Bruce Karch. He was local, yet again

2477
02:04:19,319 --> 02:04:23,560
from the Woodbridgeman touch in Edison area was heavy into

2478
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:28,119
theater in that region for at least through the sixties.

2479
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:32,199
He had an unfortunate incident in the early seventies where

2480
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:35,680
he was in an accident car accident and accidentally killed

2481
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:39,119
a guy in the accident, and then a couple of

2482
02:04:39,159 --> 02:04:41,520
years later he also passed away. So he died I

2483
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:44,680
think in seventy five, fairly young. I think he was

2484
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:47,960
only fifty two when he passed away. But yeah, so

2485
02:04:48,279 --> 02:04:50,840
we've got one more name now of the of the

2486
02:04:51,119 --> 02:04:53,000
Francy's Mystery. The fill in.

2487
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,680
Speaker 3: You mean to tell me, you're gonna tell me? I

2488
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:57,840
mean you want to go out with?

2489
02:04:58,439 --> 02:04:59,359
Speaker 6: Who do you think you are?

2490
02:04:59,479 --> 02:04:59,920
Speaker 5: My magic?

2491
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:01,079
Speaker 7: Well?

2492
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:04,600
Speaker 3: Who is Henry Charles? That's behind it?

2493
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:08,399
Speaker 7: Henry Charles. Yes, we skipped over him, so he is

2494
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:11,760
not listed in the credits, but he is identified in

2495
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,560
a few articles local articles around the time of filming.

2496
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,279
Henry Charles or Henry Charles Fleischmann I think was his

2497
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:23,079
full name. He. I think he's the single most important

2498
02:05:23,119 --> 02:05:27,439
reason Francy's Friday is not another she came on the bus. Yeah,

2499
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:31,920
because he started in World War Two. He started filming

2500
02:05:32,039 --> 02:05:35,920
as a photographer cinematographer. After the war, back home in

2501
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:38,279
New Jersey, he opened up his own company basically his

2502
02:05:38,359 --> 02:05:41,720
own studio. He is his old house in Woodbridger Edison

2503
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:45,239
actually that he converted the old house and the property

2504
02:05:45,279 --> 02:05:49,000
around it into a studio, and for decades he did

2505
02:05:49,399 --> 02:05:53,640
primarily civic and industrial and you know, educational type films

2506
02:05:54,119 --> 02:05:57,199
and not small budget either. I saw one article that

2507
02:05:57,720 --> 02:06:00,680
identified that this was probably in the seventies, but that

2508
02:06:01,159 --> 02:06:03,880
the average budget was like a thousand dollars a minute,

2509
02:06:04,319 --> 02:06:08,079
So so that's not small potatoes, certainly not. She came

2510
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:10,680
on the bus type budget there. So he knew how

2511
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:13,119
to make films, and he knew how to do it quickly,

2512
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:15,479
and he knew how to do it effectively and professionally.

2513
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:18,000
And he was identified in one of these articles as

2514
02:06:18,079 --> 02:06:20,720
the cameraman. I'm pretty sure he was the guy pulling

2515
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:22,520
most of the strings though as far as how this

2516
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:25,520
film was shot, how it was blocked, how it was

2517
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:29,560
put together, everything, and then yes Ledger was there and

2518
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:32,600
yes he was giving direction. But again this is I

2519
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:34,800
think you'll both will have to agree a far more

2520
02:06:35,079 --> 02:06:37,760
actually one of the more competent films of this type

2521
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:42,560
of genre. And I think it absolutely with the Charles.

2522
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:46,039
Speaker 3: I wonder, yeah, if he edited as well, because the

2523
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:47,680
editing is really good too.

2524
02:06:48,199 --> 02:06:48,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2525
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:52,439
Speaker 7: We an editing studio in his in his studio and

2526
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:55,399
editing you know. So yeah, I mean, if it wasn't him,

2527
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:58,680
it was someone in his studio sort of you know,

2528
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,960
cabal there if you will. I'm sure, I'm sure all

2529
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:04,600
the post production was handled by him and his studio.

2530
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:09,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, I mean we heard Curtis is Ledger's

2531
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:13,479
whole backstory, like he clearly had help in making this.

2532
02:07:14,279 --> 02:07:21,359
Speaker 7: Yeah. And and he Charles actually was Henry Charles. There

2533
02:07:21,399 --> 02:07:24,319
are films and I couldn't they were out there, I haven't.

2534
02:07:24,439 --> 02:07:26,920
I got to find him again on archive. But there

2535
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:29,359
were films that he shot at the World's Fairs, like

2536
02:07:29,439 --> 02:07:32,359
professional films that he shot at the World's Fair as well.

2537
02:07:32,439 --> 02:07:35,319
So again we've got a third sort of thread back

2538
02:07:35,399 --> 02:07:38,000
to the nineteen sixty four World's Fare. I just think

2539
02:07:38,039 --> 02:07:40,479
there must have been a group of guys in Woodbridge

2540
02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:42,920
area that that just all took the same train into

2541
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:43,760
the Fair.

2542
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 5: I got to know each other there, right, well, because

2543
02:07:47,279 --> 02:07:50,319
didn't didn't Leger? Also he mentioned that he had an

2544
02:07:50,359 --> 02:07:53,039
advertising company too, right, So I wonder if that was

2545
02:07:53,119 --> 02:07:55,560
kind of it. Well, they were the World's Fair wanted

2546
02:07:56,199 --> 02:07:59,520
local people involved for obvious reasons. But then that would

2547
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,960
also like advertising agency at that time would have had

2548
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:04,680
a connection to like industrial filmmakers because they would be

2549
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:08,039
involved with shooting, like you know, the industrial films and

2550
02:08:08,119 --> 02:08:10,840
things like that. So yeah, it's just interesting that all

2551
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:14,279
of that seems to have skipped to France's Friday, and

2552
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,479
I don't it doesn't look it doesn't seem like it

2553
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:19,000
was part involved with She Came on the Bus, maybe

2554
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:22,279
because that was a much more quick, let's make a

2555
02:08:22,359 --> 02:08:25,600
buck production, whereas this seems like they're really trying to

2556
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:26,359
do something here.

2557
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:30,319
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, for She Came on the Bus, is hey, gang,

2558
02:08:30,439 --> 02:08:33,039
let's throw a show on in the barn for Grandma

2559
02:08:33,079 --> 02:08:38,960
and Grandpa and Grancy's Friday was let's make a movie? Yes, right.

2560
02:08:39,439 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 5: It also, Connor reminds me a lot of a movie

2561
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,039
that I bring up way too much, which is Pamela,

2562
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:47,319
Pamela You Are, which is you know It's it's a

2563
02:08:47,479 --> 02:08:52,760
movie that has very high aspirations, and it's also it's

2564
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,359
it's another case of a director whose first movie was

2565
02:08:55,479 --> 02:08:58,800
not technically great and then pulls out all the stops

2566
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:01,960
for his for his next big movie. But I'm also

2567
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:04,800
noticing a trend and that we've covered several films on

2568
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:09,520
here where the cinematographers make the film. So we've talked

2569
02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:11,960
about the Tony Orlando movies where Chuck Smith is the

2570
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,199
reason whethers are good. We talked about Satan in Hi

2571
02:09:14,279 --> 02:09:19,159
Heels last week. Hirshinston cinematography elevates that film because the director,

2572
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:20,880
Gerald Introtur didn't know what.

2573
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:21,399
Speaker 9: He was doing.

2574
02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:25,720
Speaker 5: So it seems like it's such an interesting recurring trend

2575
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:30,520
and sexphitation, that this reliance on really good technicians to

2576
02:09:31,159 --> 02:09:34,119
actually put in the work to make these movies look good.

2577
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:37,199
And it's just interesting because I think the genre is

2578
02:09:37,239 --> 02:09:41,600
typically not associated with visual style for whatever reason.

2579
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:45,199
Speaker 3: But no, I think, yeah, you're right, because I think

2580
02:09:45,319 --> 02:09:49,359
also the case is sometimes the director is more a

2581
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:54,840
producer in a lot of cases, so they're not really directing.

2582
02:09:55,039 --> 02:09:56,760
That's just they're just putting their name on there.

2583
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 8: Right.

2584
02:09:58,119 --> 02:10:01,399
Speaker 7: I got a few more hations I want to point out,

2585
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:07,159
just because so the house, the Fancy's House, I won't

2586
02:10:07,159 --> 02:10:10,159
give the exact address, but it was on Middlesex Avenue

2587
02:10:10,359 --> 02:10:12,960
in Colonia, New Jersey. And for those that aren't aware,

2588
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,000
there there's kind of this group of little communities Edison,

2589
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:20,199
Mattouche and Island, Woodbridge, Colonia and Menlo Park. They're all

2590
02:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,039
sort of together right there in that that part of

2591
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:26,279
Central Jersey, so they're all sort of interchangeable. And that's

2592
02:10:26,319 --> 02:10:28,640
my area of New Jersey, like I said earlier. There

2593
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:32,359
So the house, it's all over the place now, but

2594
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:35,479
it's is actually right now the last decade or so,

2595
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:39,279
there's a heavily Indian uh population that that's moved in

2596
02:10:39,399 --> 02:10:42,760
and lives there now. But but historically it's been middle class,

2597
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:45,520
you know, the upper middle class. You know what what

2598
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:49,359
you'd expect, uh, you know, a typical sixties you know

2599
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:52,239
house to look like that would be in colonial type

2600
02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:52,359
of thing.

2601
02:10:52,439 --> 02:10:52,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2602
02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:54,199
Speaker 3: I mean they got a pool in the backyard, so

2603
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:55,439
they're doing all right.

2604
02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:58,159
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, And and the pool is still there. The

2605
02:10:58,279 --> 02:11:00,840
house is still there, and when I visited in twenty

2606
02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:03,720
twenty three, it looked a little worse for where it

2607
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:06,560
also looked like they might have started on some renovations

2608
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:08,520
that may or may not still have been going on.

2609
02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:12,239
But the house is still there, and it sold a

2610
02:11:12,319 --> 02:11:14,760
few years ago. For I had the number somewhere here

2611
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:19,880
for free in twenty nineteen, it sold for four hundred

2612
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:21,079
and seventeen thousand dollars.

2613
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:22,920
Speaker 4: Oh that's not that much.

2614
02:11:23,439 --> 02:11:26,439
Speaker 7: That's really good. That area not at all. Yeah, yeah,

2615
02:11:27,479 --> 02:11:30,760
it's it's it's a listed it's not listed now, but

2616
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:34,119
it's quoted at nine hundred thousand now. So whether they

2617
02:11:34,119 --> 02:11:36,520
would get that or not, I don't know. So this house,

2618
02:11:37,319 --> 02:11:39,199
I think, and if you look at it, I think

2619
02:11:39,279 --> 02:11:42,920
they filmed primarily on the lower section by the pool.

2620
02:11:43,319 --> 02:11:45,640
That whole living room area is the bottom sort of

2621
02:11:46,119 --> 02:11:49,000
that's you know, that's probably the public area of the house.

2622
02:11:49,479 --> 02:11:52,520
They used the kitchen, and you can go online and

2623
02:11:53,079 --> 02:11:56,840
from twenty nineteen you can still see the pictures that kitchen.

2624
02:11:57,079 --> 02:11:59,640
It's been upgraded and everything, but the layout is exactly

2625
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:02,720
the same. And then they used one or two bedrooms upstairs.

2626
02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:05,560
So there's a whole center section of that house that

2627
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:08,760
wasn't used in the film, I believe, And I think

2628
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:11,359
and Kenny said he got the feeling that the Ledgers

2629
02:12:11,439 --> 02:12:12,960
probably lived there at the time.

2630
02:12:13,399 --> 02:12:16,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were hands off this section. You know,

2631
02:12:16,199 --> 02:12:18,479
you guys can film in these parts, but don't go

2632
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:18,880
in there.

2633
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:22,119
Speaker 7: Yep. So I got to looking into the house. It's

2634
02:12:22,199 --> 02:12:24,680
of the address, and again it was used for the

2635
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,279
Ledger Machine Company, the car wash company, and then things

2636
02:12:28,319 --> 02:12:31,520
get so that was around early seventy one an ad

2637
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:37,039
Ledger posted for LPR Productions looking for a rock band

2638
02:12:37,479 --> 02:12:39,920
to score a film, and he used that thing. Now

2639
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:42,439
that's interesting because we got Kenny. We didn't get a

2640
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:44,760
rock band, but we got Kenny. But we got Kenny

2641
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:46,039
through an agent, not through the ad.

2642
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:49,920
Speaker 5: So anyway he was putting that interesting, yeah, because all

2643
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:51,960
the rest of the music is KPM except for the

2644
02:12:52,039 --> 02:12:54,479
Kenny Chandler stuff. All of that is a library music,

2645
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:58,000
even the vocal rock tracks or KPM. Yeah.

2646
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:01,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, so maybe he was hoping to not use KPM.

2647
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:04,239
But anyway, so but that does link us to that

2648
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:07,800
address for sure. We also get the car wash ads

2649
02:13:08,199 --> 02:13:10,960
and also in the Philly papers, even this Philly we

2650
02:13:11,039 --> 02:13:14,359
get the address. Actually in the Philly papers in seventy

2651
02:13:14,399 --> 02:13:16,279
and seventy one that's where I had the note. That's

2652
02:13:16,319 --> 02:13:19,760
when they were using the Jenosko's address. So the car

2653
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:23,880
wash company started at Thenosko's address, then moved to the

2654
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:27,760
Colonia address in seventy one when the film was being shot.

2655
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:31,279
Now here's where things get really interesting. In January seventy one,

2656
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:35,800
there's an article about this guy named Frederick Myers that

2657
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,199
was arrested at that address, and it made it sound

2658
02:13:39,279 --> 02:13:42,840
like that was his residence. Now, Frederick Myers was the

2659
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:47,520
nephew of a guy named Vincent Canara, probably pronouncing that wrong.

2660
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:51,039
Vincent Canara was a very well known local mafia guy.

2661
02:13:51,319 --> 02:13:56,319
Oh now again I don't know. Maybe he moved out

2662
02:13:56,359 --> 02:13:58,560
and the Ledgers moved in in early seventy one. But

2663
02:13:59,239 --> 02:14:03,680
then in seven two seventy two, a lady named Joyce

2664
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,960
Johnson was listed as living there. She was stabbed and

2665
02:14:08,119 --> 02:14:11,600
killed in a bar down in South Amboy. Had nothing

2666
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:14,960
to do with Basically, the guy was trying to hit

2667
02:14:15,039 --> 02:14:17,560
on her and she said get lost. He goes out,

2668
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:20,439
gets a knife and she gets lost. Basically there. So

2669
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:25,439
but that's two interesting sort of bookends to the window

2670
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,720
that we know the Ledger, Curtis Ledger, was at that house.

2671
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,159
So you got a mafia guy and you got a stabbing.

2672
02:14:31,880 --> 02:14:33,680
So a few more things. So I already mentioned the

2673
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:39,039
car wash where Kenny first sees Francy and she meets

2674
02:14:39,079 --> 02:14:41,079
the guys that they then go to the airport. That

2675
02:14:41,239 --> 02:14:44,520
car wash was a Curtis Ledger car wash, so I

2676
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:46,479
don't know that he owned it, but it definitely was

2677
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,720
one of his installations. And that gas station is still there,

2678
02:14:49,720 --> 02:14:54,000
although it's been renovated heavily. Actually got gas there one day.

2679
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:58,720
Speaker 3: I was going to say about car washes. I mean,

2680
02:14:59,159 --> 02:15:02,079
the stereotype about car washes is that there's some sort

2681
02:15:02,119 --> 02:15:05,920
of money laundering scheme or something shady going on there.

2682
02:15:06,039 --> 02:15:07,640
Speaker 5: So breaking bad situation.

2683
02:15:08,039 --> 02:15:12,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's a cash business absolutely. Now that airport

2684
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:15,720
that that they go to where she has that whole

2685
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:18,960
segment around the phone. I sent you guys the the

2686
02:15:19,039 --> 02:15:21,239
ad for that that remember that that shows the actual

2687
02:15:21,880 --> 02:15:24,359
phone that she has holding it like she held it

2688
02:15:24,439 --> 02:15:27,920
exactly in the film there right. Yes, it was called

2689
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:30,039
the Hadley Airport. It was a kind of a private,

2690
02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:33,239
I think airport, and it was either already shut down

2691
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:36,520
or about to be sort of offball shut down. And

2692
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:39,319
now there's nothing there there, Well, there's a lot there.

2693
02:15:39,359 --> 02:15:43,840
There's restaurants and strip malls and a hotel. And I'd

2694
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:46,640
heard that there was a plaque that commemorated so I

2695
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:49,039
went out there one day and sure enough, there's a

2696
02:15:49,079 --> 02:15:51,840
little plaque in the sort of roundabout in front of

2697
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,279
a holiday in Express sort of in the bushes that

2698
02:15:55,439 --> 02:15:58,640
commemorates the Hadley Airport. When I got there, it was

2699
02:15:58,760 --> 02:16:03,079
like one of those Spielberg sort of movements where I

2700
02:16:03,239 --> 02:16:05,760
zoom in and zoom out at the same time because

2701
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:08,079
I'm looking at this plaque and it says this was

2702
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:11,159
placed by the Inglehart Corporation. Well that's my company.

2703
02:16:11,399 --> 02:16:18,079
Speaker 5: What, Oh my god, what's really crazy.

2704
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 7: Not what it's called now, but when when I started

2705
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:23,479
working there twenty eight years ago, it was the Inglehard Corporation.

2706
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:27,159
Speaker 5: So yeah, that is really crazy. Wow.

2707
02:16:28,279 --> 02:16:34,840
Speaker 3: Now where's the plaque commemorating Francy shooting up vagicil on

2708
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:35,680
this location?

2709
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:39,239
Speaker 5: That is crazy? Yes, that scene accident. Is that why

2710
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:42,159
you asked if it was a dark comedy because means

2711
02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:47,799
a lot going on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.

2712
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:49,559
Speaker 7: I was not expecting that for sure. I don't think

2713
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:50,879
you guys were either going out.

2714
02:16:51,440 --> 02:16:54,079
Speaker 3: But it reminds me again, you had that Monica Gail

2715
02:16:54,159 --> 02:17:00,719
movie Sandra she there's like some sort of product like that. Yes,

2716
02:17:00,799 --> 02:17:04,000
so it was in the zeitgeist at that moment. I

2717
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:08,719
think in the early seventies, this form of contraceptive it.

2718
02:17:08,799 --> 02:17:11,000
Speaker 7: Was almost like she was using it as a shield,

2719
02:17:11,079 --> 02:17:11,959
like these guys are never.

2720
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:15,120
Speaker 3: Gonna put Yeah, that's what makes it funny in that scene. Yeah,

2721
02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:16,280
right right.

2722
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:22,120
Speaker 7: The motorcycle montage I'm convinced was on us one also

2723
02:17:22,239 --> 02:17:24,680
in that same area, and that's because of the power

2724
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:26,399
of the high power lines you see on the thing.

2725
02:17:26,840 --> 02:17:29,079
I'm very familiar with that road. I hate it with

2726
02:17:29,239 --> 02:17:31,440
all my guts. It's a terrible road to drive on

2727
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:35,719
or be around. It's a terrible traffic trap in that area.

2728
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:38,680
The pond that you see them running on, that was

2729
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:41,079
Sealy's pond. That was a bit north. That was up

2730
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:43,399
in Scotch Plains, New Jersey, which is a little bit

2731
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:48,280
further north. But that's a public park in the Watchung Reservation.

2732
02:17:49,479 --> 02:17:51,319
And finally, the last thing I got for you guys,

2733
02:17:51,639 --> 02:17:53,479
and I'm losing my voice, so it's time to shut up.

2734
02:17:53,479 --> 02:17:57,040
Probably the little Hamburger joined that Kenny goes into where

2735
02:17:57,079 --> 02:18:01,079
he sees her Alicia's number on the wall or number

2736
02:18:01,239 --> 02:18:05,319
the wall. Yeah, that was the Chip's Hamburgers, and I

2737
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:09,239
believe it was on Route twenty two up in North Plainfield.

2738
02:18:09,319 --> 02:18:11,520
So again up here where she came on the bus

2739
02:18:11,639 --> 02:18:14,680
was filmed I think the building's still there. They've built

2740
02:18:14,719 --> 02:18:17,040
on a whole front to it, but if you go

2741
02:18:17,159 --> 02:18:21,680
around the back, that definite frame is still visible, jetting

2742
02:18:21,719 --> 02:18:24,559
out of the the broader structure that's there. So the

2743
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:27,319
interesting thing that phone number that you see on the wall,

2744
02:18:27,639 --> 02:18:28,840
that was Ledger's phone number.

2745
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:30,639
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

2746
02:18:31,440 --> 02:18:32,000
Speaker 7: Of course.

2747
02:18:33,639 --> 02:18:35,959
Speaker 3: To his house. They're like to the car wash, who

2748
02:18:36,079 --> 02:18:39,799
was out? Oh my god, that is so funny. Maybe

2749
02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:43,000
some business opportunities will come his way that that.

2750
02:18:43,680 --> 02:18:45,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, always the promoter, right always.

2751
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:48,239
Speaker 5: I guess I'm having his little girl answer the phone,

2752
02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:53,239
surprising people. Well, that is something I did want to

2753
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:56,520
ask Sean, because that is something that I'm in total

2754
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:58,440
awe of with you. One of many things I'm in

2755
02:18:58,520 --> 02:19:03,159
awe with you is the how you're able to identify locations,

2756
02:19:03,239 --> 02:19:05,600
because it's not just like this is a case of

2757
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:08,000
some of a film that's shot in areas that you're

2758
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,959
familiar with, but like only house in town you found

2759
02:19:11,079 --> 02:19:13,280
those locate. You found that location, I believe, and there

2760
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:15,399
are other locations that you've been involved with on on

2761
02:19:15,520 --> 02:19:19,440
other DVD extras I think too. So like how does

2762
02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:23,440
your brain work for you? Don't say it, you don't

2763
02:19:23,440 --> 02:19:25,360
have to give the secrets away. But I'm just kind

2764
02:19:25,399 --> 02:19:28,879
of like, it's really super duper impressive to me, It's

2765
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:29,680
really incredible.

2766
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:31,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't I don't try to explain it. I

2767
02:19:31,799 --> 02:19:33,879
will give you the entire story of Only House if

2768
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:35,360
you have me back for that, and I promise that

2769
02:19:35,360 --> 02:19:37,360
won't be as well.

2770
02:19:37,479 --> 02:19:41,319
Speaker 5: I'm tempted. I'm actually tempted. I'll think about it.

2771
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:48,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, And I appreciate that, Casey.

2772
02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:50,959
I it means a lot, especially coming from from you,

2773
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:53,840
who you know who. We won't get too wishy washy

2774
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:55,760
on on ourselves here, but you're You're one of those

2775
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:57,719
guys whose name was always out there and I'm like,

2776
02:19:58,239 --> 02:20:01,319
but to now be working with you, uh, it's it's

2777
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:04,319
a it's a it's it's a pleasure. So but I

2778
02:20:04,520 --> 02:20:07,239
can't answer that just I've always just had a knack.

2779
02:20:07,559 --> 02:20:09,280
I think a lot of it comes from I'm a

2780
02:20:09,440 --> 02:20:15,399
very suspicious and untrusting person to begin with. So because

2781
02:20:15,440 --> 02:20:18,000
of that, I look at not just what's in front

2782
02:20:18,040 --> 02:20:20,120
of me, but what's also not in front of me,

2783
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:23,159
and a lot of times the absence of things tell

2784
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:27,520
us more than if we do something. And I'm also

2785
02:20:27,719 --> 02:20:31,799
tenacious and I have for for certain things like finding

2786
02:20:31,879 --> 02:20:35,120
people in locations I have. I think I can have

2787
02:20:35,239 --> 02:20:39,559
immense focus and patience patients as I think the biggest

2788
02:20:39,719 --> 02:20:42,239
ingredient for any of this stuff that we do. And

2789
02:20:42,639 --> 02:20:45,799
and you know I I I don't let things go either.

2790
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:48,200
That's the other bit of it. I guess it's not

2791
02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:51,319
that I'm very any better at it than anyone else.

2792
02:20:51,319 --> 02:20:53,200
It is that maybe that I just stay with it

2793
02:20:54,079 --> 02:20:55,479
is the secret. I don't know.

2794
02:20:56,280 --> 02:20:59,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you got good results. I still remember when

2795
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:03,280
and we were recording an episode and it was literally,

2796
02:21:03,559 --> 02:21:05,520
I think thirty minutes after you texted me all the

2797
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:09,520
Doris Poro stuff that you'd Yeah, then you were sending

2798
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:11,600
me more updates as we were recording. I was like, oh,

2799
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:14,520
Shawn just messaged me. I found more info. And I

2800
02:21:14,719 --> 02:21:17,399
was like, who would have thought that that name was

2801
02:21:17,479 --> 02:21:20,600
a real name on the credits of this of this

2802
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,440
trashy movie. And I was like, well, yeah, of course

2803
02:21:23,479 --> 02:21:26,079
Sean would find this of And that's.

2804
02:21:25,959 --> 02:21:30,840
Speaker 7: Another great example of IMDb being misleading, right because it

2805
02:21:30,920 --> 02:21:34,959
had the wrong person with her tea on it. There's

2806
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,319
one other story, Casey, I want to tell about you.

2807
02:21:37,639 --> 02:21:40,000
It was one of my personal I think achievements that

2808
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:43,479
I'm most proud of. I used to do these April

2809
02:21:43,559 --> 02:21:47,399
Fools things on Facebook, and there was one year where

2810
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:50,639
I did one on the something Weird Facebook group. I

2811
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:52,280
sort of took that over. I don't know if you

2812
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:55,120
remember this casey or not, but I did one where

2813
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:59,479
I found an article on the lady that was the

2814
02:22:00,159 --> 02:22:04,399
that played Dora in Bat Pussy. I'd found an article

2815
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:08,520
about her, and I did. I had this whole thread

2816
02:22:08,639 --> 02:22:12,120
where she was arrested and she'd been identified in this

2817
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:15,200
film and and and it was her whole story, and

2818
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:16,600
of course it was a joke at the end and

2819
02:22:16,879 --> 02:22:19,959
the but I made up these fake articles that they

2820
02:22:20,079 --> 02:22:22,360
I thought they looked pretty real, and I posted them

2821
02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:24,239
and people were believing it, and then like wait a minute,

2822
02:22:24,239 --> 02:22:25,840
Safril first, but no, wait a minute, he's got the

2823
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:28,440
article here. And and at the end I give it

2824
02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:31,159
away by saying, you know, she was let go the

2825
02:22:31,239 --> 02:22:34,239
judge letter go on all charges when a very young

2826
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:37,120
Dennis Kampa you know, said that if you arrest her,

2827
02:22:37,239 --> 02:22:39,399
he'll never be the same man. He'll grow supposed to

2828
02:22:39,399 --> 02:22:42,520
grow something like that, right, So it's been there, but

2829
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:45,479
I remember Your comment on that is you came in

2830
02:22:45,559 --> 02:22:47,239
fairly late in the day, so the whole thing was

2831
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:50,440
already there, and you'd said, uh, I can't something along

2832
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:52,760
the lines of I can't believe the roller coaster. I

2833
02:22:52,959 --> 02:22:56,399
just wrote something along those lines, and I'm thinking, all right,

2834
02:22:56,559 --> 02:22:59,719
I fooled him. I know I did something something there.

2835
02:22:59,799 --> 02:23:03,680
Speaker 5: Yet, Yes, that was brilliant. I do remember that. Yes,

2836
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:07,520
I do remember that. Yeah, it's while Sean. We've been

2837
02:23:07,959 --> 02:23:10,840
We've talked back and forth forever, and every time you're

2838
02:23:10,840 --> 02:23:12,040
in town, I never get to see you.

2839
02:23:12,719 --> 02:23:15,200
Speaker 7: We've been coating around each other for now for some time,

2840
02:23:15,319 --> 02:23:17,520
and I feel like, you know, one of those I

2841
02:23:17,559 --> 02:23:19,280
don't know if it's like in high school, you know,

2842
02:23:19,399 --> 02:23:22,200
they they get a date and she just wouldn't show up.

2843
02:23:22,239 --> 02:23:23,559
That's how I feel like now with you.

2844
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:27,719
Speaker 5: Oh, which is terrible actually, and I honestly the same

2845
02:23:27,799 --> 02:23:30,200
thing happened with Alex, where Alex came to town for

2846
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:32,399
the Milligan thing and I was supposed to meet him.

2847
02:23:32,799 --> 02:23:37,280
I went down, I slept through the screening, and then

2848
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:38,600
there was a thing I was supposed to meet him

2849
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:40,760
and Joe Rubin after they got back from Staten Island,

2850
02:23:40,840 --> 02:23:42,760
and I didn't get a chance to meet them, so

2851
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:45,479
trust me, it is not personal and it is not you.

2852
02:23:45,879 --> 02:23:49,399
It is a me thing because I'm I'm I'm cuckoo

2853
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:52,159
bananas and I need to get my shit together, which

2854
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:53,360
I think everyone knows.

2855
02:23:53,639 --> 02:23:55,680
Speaker 7: Well that you're supposed to need me that day too,

2856
02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:58,159
So that was strike too for you again.

2857
02:23:58,159 --> 02:23:59,719
Speaker 5: Right, that's right, Yes, that's right.

2858
02:24:00,319 --> 02:24:03,399
Speaker 7: I forgot letting off the hook, letting you off the

2859
02:24:03,399 --> 02:24:04,840
hook on the last, but that's a ball, it's not

2860
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:05,520
a strike, so.

2861
02:24:06,239 --> 02:24:09,520
Speaker 5: Right, yes, well, yeah, when when Bowen, when you have

2862
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:12,520
Bowen for that for like five and a half hours,

2863
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,319
you need to rest and take it all it.

2864
02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:18,520
Speaker 7: And I got to tell you, guys, I you know

2865
02:24:18,639 --> 02:24:20,920
you you read my little thing last week, which I'll

2866
02:24:20,959 --> 02:24:23,639
claim claim I'm the guy that wrote that to you guys,

2867
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:26,239
because I meant, yes, it wasn't hyperbole. I meant every

2868
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:27,959
word of it. And I think when all is said

2869
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:31,840
and done, that Bowen episode is going to be seen

2870
02:24:31,879 --> 02:24:34,479
as a turning point for you guys, because you took

2871
02:24:34,520 --> 02:24:37,440
for me anyway. It is because you've done good stuff

2872
02:24:37,479 --> 02:24:40,719
for the thirty whatever before that, really great stuff. That's

2873
02:24:40,719 --> 02:24:43,079
an important one though, not that the others aren't, but

2874
02:24:43,239 --> 02:24:45,959
that that one, truly, I think, is going to be

2875
02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:49,840
looked at and referenced and it's gonna we need to

2876
02:24:49,879 --> 02:24:52,079
package it and put it in the pantheon. It's it's

2877
02:24:52,200 --> 02:24:54,479
just that good. Again. I don't want to get too

2878
02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:57,639
hyperbolic on it, but but it it's it's it's important.

2879
02:24:57,879 --> 02:24:58,680
I'll put it that way.

2880
02:24:58,959 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 3: Well, like we said, we hope we lit a fire

2881
02:25:02,040 --> 02:25:03,200
under Bowing a little bit.

2882
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:05,559
Speaker 5: I think we did. I think as Yeah, I think

2883
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:07,440
I mentioned it was there was a case where I

2884
02:25:07,479 --> 02:25:09,440
think he's been kind of disconnected from it for a

2885
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:12,040
while because of other projects he's working on. But I

2886
02:25:12,120 --> 02:25:16,120
think talking about it and getting asked questions like, oh right,

2887
02:25:16,159 --> 02:25:17,559
I do know the answer to that, all right, and

2888
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:19,319
no I know this, Oh I have this stuff in

2889
02:25:19,399 --> 02:25:21,479
my collection, and just like it. Really it was like

2890
02:25:21,799 --> 02:25:23,799
it was talking shop, which he hadn't done in forever.

2891
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,479
I think, So it really was kind of like a reminder,

2892
02:25:26,600 --> 02:25:28,799
oh right, I know a lot about this shit and

2893
02:25:28,879 --> 02:25:31,680
I need to put it down. Not that I'm saying

2894
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:33,920
that him doing that made him realize I need to

2895
02:25:33,959 --> 02:25:36,440
do the books. I think it's been gestating, But no,

2896
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:38,319
I appreciate you saying that that's kind of what we've

2897
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:40,760
been trying to do. And that's why I'm so excited

2898
02:25:40,799 --> 02:25:42,319
we finally got to have you on because I know

2899
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:44,959
that you. Yeah, I've said it on here before. Your

2900
02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:49,079
research skills are like incredibly impressive to me. So anytime

2901
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:51,399
I'm like, well I can't find something, let's see if

2902
02:25:51,399 --> 02:25:53,799
Sean can figure this out, and nine times out of

2903
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:55,879
ten you figure it out, and if it stumps us both,

2904
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:58,799
then I know, like the Joel land where thing where

2905
02:25:58,879 --> 02:26:02,479
we're still stumped on, that's just that's just gonna take

2906
02:26:02,520 --> 02:26:05,520
a lot more. But you know that's kind of a

2907
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:07,360
sign of like, if Sean can't figure it out, I

2908
02:26:07,440 --> 02:26:10,239
think we might be screwed here. Yeah, because I have

2909
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:12,040
that much faith in your work and what you do

2910
02:26:12,239 --> 02:26:13,440
that Yeah, yeah.

2911
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:16,280
Speaker 7: Let's depend the word yet on that we can't figure

2912
02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:18,479
it out yet. I'm not done with that. That's what

2913
02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:21,159
I said. If we put it to the side that

2914
02:26:21,239 --> 02:26:22,360
we're coming back to mister.

2915
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:26,079
Speaker 5: Yes, I had to take a break, but I mean, yes, well,

2916
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:27,760
actually next time in New York, we need to go

2917
02:26:27,799 --> 02:26:29,639
to filmmakers' co ops so that you can watch that

2918
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:33,760
because that movie is wild and I think they will

2919
02:26:33,799 --> 02:26:35,399
just let you record the whole thing on your phone.

2920
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:37,520
I just didn't because I didn't want to get in trouble.

2921
02:26:37,559 --> 02:26:39,040
But they didn't give a ship. By the end of

2922
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:40,879
the day, I'll just record the whole thing on my phone.

2923
02:26:41,559 --> 02:26:43,000
Speaker 7: Oh, we'll bring some equipment.

2924
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,959
Speaker 3: Then we're throwing a party there.

2925
02:26:45,840 --> 02:27:00,760
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, in the.

2926
02:27:00,920 --> 02:27:07,959
Speaker 6: Corners of a man, all the stories I can.

2927
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:12,520
Speaker 8: But let me see.

2928
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:24,399
Speaker 6: It's not cheat, just a fragment. Ly she's afraid I'll

2929
02:27:24,520 --> 02:27:29,920
have in her, just a young.

2930
02:27:29,799 --> 02:27:35,920
Speaker 8: Girl with no answer.

2931
02:27:37,479 --> 02:27:46,120
Speaker 6: To a question. I lost a lord, Chad, what I

2932
02:27:46,479 --> 02:28:02,360
do her thing? I'll be there, wa try away, I'll

2933
02:28:02,760 --> 02:28:03,639
be theme.

2934
02:28:07,959 --> 02:28:08,799
Speaker 1: With the joy.

2935
02:28:18,639 --> 02:28:28,479
Speaker 6: Okay, in the corners of them.

2936
02:28:35,799 --> 02:28:56,200
Speaker 8: In most corners of them, you're with friends. He weren't you,

2937
02:28:59,000 --> 02:28:59,879
That's why you were still?

2938
02:29:02,879 --> 02:29:03,479
Speaker 7: Yes, I was.

2939
02:29:05,079 --> 02:29:06,159
Speaker 8: Did you make love Tour?

2940
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:10,040
Speaker 7: Yes?

2941
02:29:18,280 --> 02:29:21,079
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2945
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