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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know you're on to talk today and you

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<v Speaker 1>may have to do a little explaining for the American audience,

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<v Speaker 1>including the host of the fifty five KC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everybody's really clue or clue into how politics works

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany. You know, we've got two parties here sort

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of we like to call it the Uni parties,

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<v Speaker 1>since both the Republicans and Democrats do terrible things for

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<v Speaker 1>our country. But at least you know which side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ledger somebody's on. In Germany. There's the Christian Democrat Union,

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<v Speaker 1>the alternative for Germany, the Social Democratic Party of Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>the Greens, the Left, the Free Democratic Party, and each

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<v Speaker 1>of them got a share of the vote, but apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>to some surprise, the Christian Democratic Union came out on top.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess, can you explain to my listeners what

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately that means, because I know that the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian Democratic Party, Friedrich Mergz, didn't have some real

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<v Speaker 1>good things to say about the United States and is

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to sort of separate the relationship or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>divorce us or the Germany from the United States. I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>at least along the lines of maybe economic lines or

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<v Speaker 1>political lines. But that's why we have you, Oliver, so

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<v Speaker 1>can you give us a little rundown.

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<v Speaker 2>With pleasure?

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<v Speaker 3>So indeed, as you say, in places like the United

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<v Speaker 3>Kingdom and to the United States, we have a two

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<v Speaker 3>party system, and that has real problems, doesn't it, because

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<v Speaker 3>if they get too friendly, if a consensus really emerges.

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<v Speaker 2>Not what are you left with?

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<v Speaker 3>You're left with essentially unit parties. So there are advantages

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<v Speaker 3>and disi answers to our system. As you say, on

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<v Speaker 3>one hand, you know where people stand. It's a solid system,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can be left with, as you say.

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<v Speaker 2>The blob. Basically.

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<v Speaker 3>The other option is what that you have lots and

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<v Speaker 3>lots of parties, and that's the case in many European countries.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are advantages to that, which is that voters

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<v Speaker 3>are better served in terms of actually voting for what

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<v Speaker 3>they want. It's not well, you know, and imagine how

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<v Speaker 3>it was in the United States, say fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>You might not really think very much of the Republican Party,

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<v Speaker 3>look at them and think, well, these guys are Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>in name only, but I've got to vote for them

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<v Speaker 3>because we got to keep the Democrats out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not necessarily like that. In Europe there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably a small, niche party that really caters to your

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<v Speaker 3>interests very well. This is the case in Germany. The

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<v Speaker 3>problem is because there's a dozen parties or more in

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<v Speaker 3>some countries, incredibly maybe fifteen parties in an election, all

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<v Speaker 3>vying for votes. They come out in dribs and drabs,

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<v Speaker 3>so that their guest party might get twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the other parties might be there with

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<v Speaker 3>members of parliament at four percent or eight percent. So

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<v Speaker 3>how do you build a government out of that? And

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly what we're looking at in Germany now, where

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<v Speaker 3>the Christian Democrats, who are the sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the soft right, they call themselves conservatives. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think a political philosopher would use that word to

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<v Speaker 3>describe them. Let's be as kind as we possibly can,

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<v Speaker 3>a right, these guys, they're globalists, seno cons whatever. And

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<v Speaker 3>they've come out with twenty eight point five so let's

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<v Speaker 3>just round it up, let's say roughly thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're the biggest party.

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<v Speaker 3>The building a government now is in their hands, but

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<v Speaker 3>they've got to bring another party or maybe another two

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<v Speaker 3>parties on board to get those numbers ups then get

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<v Speaker 3>to fifty percent, so they can command parliament, build a government,

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<v Speaker 3>pass laws. And they've really painted themselves into a corner

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<v Speaker 3>because actually there are two parties in the bordersta Germany's

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<v Speaker 3>parliament which could potentially do this job. On one hand,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the AfD Alternative for Deutschland or Alternative for

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<v Speaker 3>Germany for US English speakers. These guys are sovereigntist populists.

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<v Speaker 3>They're right wingers. They believe in border control, they believe

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<v Speaker 3>in sound money. On the other hand, you have the

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<v Speaker 3>Social Democrats the SPD, that's like Germany's equivalent. I suppose

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats. They're left wingers, and what the Christian Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>have done the soft right.

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<v Speaker 2>They have looked to this situation. Their leader has said.

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<v Speaker 3>We cannot possibly partner with a party that's to the

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<v Speaker 3>right of us, because if you're to the right of us,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're more right than we are, you are a Nazi, sir,

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<v Speaker 3>you're a bad guy. So we're going to refuse to

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<v Speaker 3>negotiate with them, and therefore we're left with only one party,

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<v Speaker 3>only one choice. We're going to try and do a

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<v Speaker 3>government with the left. This is what they call in Germany.

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<v Speaker 3>A grand coalition and can you imagine that a Democrat

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<v Speaker 3>Republican government in the US working together? That actually mean

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<v Speaker 3>It means the voters get betrayed because there's been a

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<v Speaker 3>clear vote in this election. The top two parties in

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<v Speaker 3>Germany are both right wingers. The people want sound money,

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<v Speaker 3>they want border control, but that's not what they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get, because how are you going to build a

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<v Speaker 3>coalition like this? Let me tell you the CDU Friedrich

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<v Speaker 3>Mergy said his name earlier. He's come into the negotiation.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I'm going to take away my own options

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<v Speaker 3>because if you have two potential partners, you can play

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<v Speaker 3>them off against each other, can't you. You can say

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<v Speaker 3>when you're at the negotiated table, you can say, look,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what I want and if you don't like it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to walk away. I'm going to go talk

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<v Speaker 3>to the other guy. He's already ruled that out for

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<v Speaker 3>even sat down. Let's be honest. This guy is not

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<v Speaker 3>a Donald Trump level deal maker, is he? This is

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<v Speaker 3>a bad move or you even get to the negotiating table.

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<v Speaker 3>What else has he done? Before he even got to

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<v Speaker 3>the negotiating table? He said, Germany is in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 3>We have crises facing us. We have to get a

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<v Speaker 3>deal done quickly because we need to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>face these headwinds. We need a strong government. We can't

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<v Speaker 3>just spend six months talking, which has happened in Germany

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<v Speaker 3>before they've gone by the government for six months. So

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<v Speaker 3>that again is handing over leverage, negotiation, leverage power to

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<v Speaker 3>this small party, this left wing party, who could be

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<v Speaker 3>the coalition partner, because when he comes to the table,

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<v Speaker 3>they know he hasn't got choices and they know he's

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<v Speaker 3>in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 2>So any concessions.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to be making them, it's the right wing,

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<v Speaker 3>which is actually the main power in Germany. Now it's

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<v Speaker 3>the right wing who are going to be giving up

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<v Speaker 3>in order to get concessions from the left just to

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<v Speaker 3>form a government. So this guy, wow, what a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of work. Germany is in serious trouble because he's the chancellor.

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<v Speaker 3>Elects her to speak and we're going to see how

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<v Speaker 3>that unfolds in the coming weeks. But I've got to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you now, I think this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty left wing up well.

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<v Speaker 1>The way you characterize it, and I got to applaud

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<v Speaker 1>you for explaining a rather complex situation in such a

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<v Speaker 1>short period of time, Oliver, wonderful job on that. I

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<v Speaker 1>have been enlightened because I immediately figured that the Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Union would pair up with the alternatives for Germany, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like America, we woke up to the reality that we

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<v Speaker 1>were being overrun by illegal immigrants and it was causing

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<v Speaker 1>such peril to our social welfare safety net and the

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<v Speaker 1>city schools and the cities. And then I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main reasons Donald Trump got elected. We

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<v Speaker 1>shut our border down. It's down to a trickle now,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're starting to deport those that are here illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was kind of a pop I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it's popular enough that the alternatives for Germany came

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<v Speaker 1>out front, but I guess they have been labeled by

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<v Speaker 1>the media as Nazis. Are they really are Nazis? Oliver?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're not, are they.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what you have said is absolutely rational to a

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<v Speaker 3>dispassionate outside that if you had never heard the thing

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<v Speaker 3>about German politics, and you were looking in from the

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<v Speaker 3>outside and you say, well, look the two biggest parties

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<v Speaker 3>after his election in Germany, the biggest party is the

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<v Speaker 3>center right. The second biggest party is the sovereigntist right.

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<v Speaker 3>Between them, they have enough votes to make a government. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>they won't agree on everything, but they agree on most things.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems rational, doesn't it. The very problem is in

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<v Speaker 3>Germany you have this these years and years of rhetoric

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<v Speaker 3>because the existence of the alternative for Germany is an

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<v Speaker 3>existential crisis for Germany's traditional ruling class.

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<v Speaker 2>The political elite.

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<v Speaker 3>These guys are coming along with new ideas, with new

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<v Speaker 3>ways of doing things. They want to change the constitution,

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<v Speaker 3>they want to change what it means to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the modern German state, which is fundamentally a liberal, all

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<v Speaker 3>open borders, most multi racial country. Now that's not what

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<v Speaker 3>Germany actually is in reality, but legally that's what they've

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<v Speaker 3>been pushing for for decades. So for AFT to come

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<v Speaker 3>along and say they want to do something else, but

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<v Speaker 3>as I say, it's an existential threat. So these guys

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<v Speaker 3>have been slammed a mercilessly for years, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as the big naughty word nazis. Now that has very

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<v Speaker 3>specific meaning, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a historical term.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I've said before, I think really the only

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<v Speaker 3>thing you can possibly get the a f D on

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<v Speaker 3>for being like like Nazis is that they're Germans, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing else really applies.

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<v Speaker 3>But hey, guess what the SBD there Germans do. But

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<v Speaker 3>the fact is, you know that we don't have the

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<v Speaker 3>anti semitism, we don't have like the extreme like wild racism.

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<v Speaker 3>They these these This party was created because of sound money,

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<v Speaker 3>because they want the economy of Rum properly. It was

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<v Speaker 3>years until the party, years after the party was founded.

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<v Speaker 3>Even I've been thinking about mass migration, but it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>How can you have a strong economy, How can you

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<v Speaker 3>have sound money if you have a state with welfare

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<v Speaker 3>entitlements and open borders exact because the number if a

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<v Speaker 3>number of theoretical claimants is unlimited, then the cost of

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<v Speaker 3>your welfare state is unlimited. So you know, these things

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<v Speaker 3>go together hand in hand. Now, because of the emotional

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<v Speaker 3>investment they have in the AfD being evil, it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to take a leader with enormous character to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to say, okay, actually maybe we're wrong. You know a

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<v Speaker 3>fifth of all Germans actually back these guys. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a democracy. Ergo, this must mean something. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think Friedrich merges that guy. So he's going to look

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<v Speaker 3>at it and say, well, look, if I partner with

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<v Speaker 3>the a f D, the Alternative of deutsch.

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<v Speaker 2>Land, this is going to impact me personally on a

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<v Speaker 2>social level.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm no longer going to get in there's nice dinner parties,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no nice cocktail receptions.

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<v Speaker 2>When I retire from.

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<v Speaker 3>Politics, I'm not going to get on that affluent speaking circuit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to make those millions because I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in the cozy club any I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to be ostracized socially. So I think, honestly that's a

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<v Speaker 3>big part of it, because it's social death in Germany

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<v Speaker 3>to be something as Gausch and as unfashionable.

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<v Speaker 2>As a supporter for the alternative Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just so amazing in a completely alternative

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<v Speaker 1>political setup that you just describe how many parallels you

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<v Speaker 1>can draw between what's going on in Germany and what's

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States and the ultimately it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to narcissistic politicians who think more about themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the thing I always say about when

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<v Speaker 3>my American friends and colleagues, is that our civilizations, our cultures,

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<v Speaker 3>are so closely into fined. Just having a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of distance, it gives you that crystal ball. You can

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<v Speaker 3>gaze into it and you can see in some cases

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<v Speaker 3>what's actually happened in your own country with more clarity

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<v Speaker 3>because you have that distance and you can see things

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<v Speaker 3>for how they truly are. And in other cases sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>Europe is simply a head of America in bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to know what the radical left

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<v Speaker 3>has planned for America in five, ten, fifteen years, help

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<v Speaker 3>look at Germany, look at Spain, and you'll see it

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<v Speaker 3>at HD Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you didn't have time. We haven't talked about

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<v Speaker 1>energy policy. Germany shut down, it's nuclear plants, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have its own and factories aren't running. Right here, everything

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<v Speaker 1>just real, real quickly. This coalition, this now left leaning

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<v Speaker 1>or center left coalition that's being formed, where are they

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<v Speaker 1>on energy policy? Are they going to continue chasing this

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<v Speaker 1>green carbon free tail or are they going to wise

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<v Speaker 1>up and realize that no, the world's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>need some some of our own resources, like gas powered

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<v Speaker 3>Oliver, Yeah, Germany's a real mess when it comes to power.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember as well as I do. Donald Trump, standing

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<v Speaker 3>before the United Nations in twenty seventeen, was at twenty

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen telling Germany that their reliance on Russian gas is

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<v Speaker 3>going to cost them dearly, and the Germans laughed in

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<v Speaker 3>his face. And he was right then, he was so right.

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<v Speaker 3>And at a time where the global supply of gas

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<v Speaker 3>is being constricted because of the Ukraine War, because of

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<v Speaker 3>Russia's stupid decision to go to war with Europe via Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 3>the Germans thought, this is the perfect time. There's never

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<v Speaker 3>been a better opportunity when there's an energy shortage for

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<v Speaker 3>us to shut down a fleet picular power stations. And

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the reason that because this old coalition that's

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<v Speaker 3>now just about to leave government it was between two

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<v Speaker 2>And one of those left wing parties.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the Green And I know, being green, it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>environ The thing we've got to remember, when we hear green,

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<v Speaker 2>These guides are the.

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<v Speaker 3>Most radical revolutionary socialists on the planet, and they took

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity because they may never get into government again.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the German people the way they voted, they

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<v Speaker 3>punished this outgoing coalition, punished it, and the Greens were

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<v Speaker 2>But they took the opportunity. You've got to give them

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<v Speaker 2>credit for that.

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<v Speaker 3>They know an opportunity when they see one, and they've

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<v Speaker 3>wrecked the power situation in Germany. And as you say,

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<v Speaker 3>Germany's industrial base is being decimated because the cost of

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<v Speaker 3>industrial power is so high. Factories in Germany are spending millions,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not billions of dollars extra on energy every year

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<v Speaker 3>compared to say, their competitors in the United States, where

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<v Speaker 3>you have bountiful clean fracking gas.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a real problem. How is it going

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<v Speaker 2>to get fixed? We just don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to see how it comes out in the

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<v Speaker 3>negotiations in the coalition a group.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I've said, I'm not what's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Mistake lendivierchie Oliverlane, what an excellent, excellent explanation and breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>for my listening audience. I truly appreciate you doing that today,

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<v Speaker 1>spending time with my listeners, and keep up the great

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<v Speaker 1>work at Breitbart. I'll look forward to having.

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<v Speaker 2>You back on. Always a pleasure, until next time.

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<v Speaker 3>What wrong with German people,