Speaker 1: Well, I know you're on to talk today and you
Speaker 1: may have to do a little explaining for the American audience,
Speaker 1: including the host of the fifty five KC Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's really clue or clue into how politics works
Speaker 1: in Germany. You know, we've got two parties here sort
Speaker 1: of kind of we like to call it the Uni parties,
Speaker 1: since both the Republicans and Democrats do terrible things for
Speaker 1: our country. But at least you know which side of
Speaker 1: the ledger somebody's on. In Germany. There's the Christian Democrat Union,
Speaker 1: the alternative for Germany, the Social Democratic Party of Germany,
Speaker 1: the Greens, the Left, the Free Democratic Party, and each
Speaker 1: of them got a share of the vote, but apparently,
Speaker 1: to some surprise, the Christian Democratic Union came out on top.
Speaker 1: And I guess, can you explain to my listeners what
Speaker 1: ultimately that means, because I know that the head of
Speaker 1: the Christian Democratic Party, Friedrich Mergz, didn't have some real
Speaker 1: good things to say about the United States and is
Speaker 1: wanting to sort of separate the relationship or you know,
Speaker 1: divorce us or the Germany from the United States. I guess,
Speaker 1: at least along the lines of maybe economic lines or
Speaker 1: political lines. But that's why we have you, Oliver, so
Speaker 1: can you give us a little rundown.
Speaker 2: With pleasure?
Speaker 3: So indeed, as you say, in places like the United
Speaker 3: Kingdom and to the United States, we have a two
Speaker 3: party system, and that has real problems, doesn't it, because
Speaker 3: if they get too friendly, if a consensus really emerges.
Speaker 2: Not what are you left with?
Speaker 3: You're left with essentially unit parties. So there are advantages
Speaker 3: and disi answers to our system. As you say, on
Speaker 3: one hand, you know where people stand. It's a solid system,
Speaker 3: but you can be left with, as you say.
Speaker 2: The blob. Basically.
Speaker 3: The other option is what that you have lots and
Speaker 3: lots of parties, and that's the case in many European countries.
Speaker 3: So there are advantages to that, which is that voters
Speaker 3: are better served in terms of actually voting for what
Speaker 3: they want. It's not well, you know, and imagine how
Speaker 3: it was in the United States, say fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: You might not really think very much of the Republican Party,
Speaker 3: look at them and think, well, these guys are Republicans
Speaker 3: in name only, but I've got to vote for them
Speaker 3: because we got to keep the Democrats out.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not necessarily like that. In Europe there's.
Speaker 3: Probably a small, niche party that really caters to your
Speaker 3: interests very well. This is the case in Germany. The
Speaker 3: problem is because there's a dozen parties or more in
Speaker 3: some countries, incredibly maybe fifteen parties in an election, all
Speaker 3: vying for votes. They come out in dribs and drabs,
Speaker 3: so that their guest party might get twenty five percent
Speaker 3: and some of the other parties might be there with
Speaker 3: members of parliament at four percent or eight percent. So
Speaker 3: how do you build a government out of that? And
Speaker 3: that's exactly what we're looking at in Germany now, where
Speaker 3: the Christian Democrats, who are the sort of you know,
Speaker 3: the soft right, they call themselves conservatives. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't think a political philosopher would use that word to
Speaker 3: describe them. Let's be as kind as we possibly can,
Speaker 3: a right, these guys, they're globalists, seno cons whatever. And
Speaker 3: they've come out with twenty eight point five so let's
Speaker 3: just round it up, let's say roughly thirty percent.
Speaker 2: So they're the biggest party.
Speaker 3: The building a government now is in their hands, but
Speaker 3: they've got to bring another party or maybe another two
Speaker 3: parties on board to get those numbers ups then get
Speaker 3: to fifty percent, so they can command parliament, build a government,
Speaker 3: pass laws. And they've really painted themselves into a corner
Speaker 3: because actually there are two parties in the bordersta Germany's
Speaker 3: parliament which could potentially do this job. On one hand,
Speaker 3: you have the AfD Alternative for Deutschland or Alternative for
Speaker 3: Germany for US English speakers. These guys are sovereigntist populists.
Speaker 3: They're right wingers. They believe in border control, they believe
Speaker 3: in sound money. On the other hand, you have the
Speaker 3: Social Democrats the SPD, that's like Germany's equivalent. I suppose
Speaker 3: the Democrats. They're left wingers, and what the Christian Democrats
Speaker 3: have done the soft right.
Speaker 2: They have looked to this situation. Their leader has said.
Speaker 3: We cannot possibly partner with a party that's to the
Speaker 3: right of us, because if you're to the right of us,
Speaker 3: if you're more right than we are, you are a Nazi, sir,
Speaker 3: you're a bad guy. So we're going to refuse to
Speaker 3: negotiate with them, and therefore we're left with only one party,
Speaker 3: only one choice. We're going to try and do a
Speaker 3: government with the left. This is what they call in Germany.
Speaker 3: A grand coalition and can you imagine that a Democrat
Speaker 3: Republican government in the US working together? That actually mean
Speaker 3: It means the voters get betrayed because there's been a
Speaker 3: clear vote in this election. The top two parties in
Speaker 3: Germany are both right wingers. The people want sound money,
Speaker 3: they want border control, but that's not what they're going
Speaker 3: to get, because how are you going to build a
Speaker 3: coalition like this? Let me tell you the CDU Friedrich
Speaker 3: Mergy said his name earlier. He's come into the negotiation.
Speaker 3: He says, I'm going to take away my own options
Speaker 3: because if you have two potential partners, you can play
Speaker 3: them off against each other, can't you. You can say
Speaker 3: when you're at the negotiated table, you can say, look,
Speaker 3: this is what I want and if you don't like it,
Speaker 3: I'm going to walk away. I'm going to go talk
Speaker 3: to the other guy. He's already ruled that out for
Speaker 3: even sat down. Let's be honest. This guy is not
Speaker 3: a Donald Trump level deal maker, is he? This is
Speaker 3: a bad move or you even get to the negotiating table.
Speaker 3: What else has he done? Before he even got to
Speaker 3: the negotiating table? He said, Germany is in a bad way.
Speaker 3: We have crises facing us. We have to get a
Speaker 3: deal done quickly because we need to be able to
Speaker 3: face these headwinds. We need a strong government. We can't
Speaker 3: just spend six months talking, which has happened in Germany
Speaker 3: before they've gone by the government for six months. So
Speaker 3: that again is handing over leverage, negotiation, leverage power to
Speaker 3: this small party, this left wing party, who could be
Speaker 3: the coalition partner, because when he comes to the table,
Speaker 3: they know he hasn't got choices and they know he's
Speaker 3: in a hurry.
Speaker 2: So any concessions.
Speaker 3: He's going to be making them, it's the right wing,
Speaker 3: which is actually the main power in Germany. Now it's
Speaker 3: the right wing who are going to be giving up
Speaker 3: in order to get concessions from the left just to
Speaker 3: form a government. So this guy, wow, what a piece
Speaker 3: of work. Germany is in serious trouble because he's the chancellor.
Speaker 3: Elects her to speak and we're going to see how
Speaker 3: that unfolds in the coming weeks. But I've got to
Speaker 3: tell you now, I think this is going to be
Speaker 3: a pretty left wing up well.
Speaker 1: The way you characterize it, and I got to applaud
Speaker 1: you for explaining a rather complex situation in such a
Speaker 1: short period of time, Oliver, wonderful job on that. I
Speaker 1: have been enlightened because I immediately figured that the Christian
Speaker 1: Democratic Union would pair up with the alternatives for Germany, because,
Speaker 1: like America, we woke up to the reality that we
Speaker 1: were being overrun by illegal immigrants and it was causing
Speaker 1: such peril to our social welfare safety net and the
Speaker 1: city schools and the cities. And then I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the main reasons Donald Trump got elected. We
Speaker 1: shut our border down. It's down to a trickle now,
Speaker 1: and they're starting to deport those that are here illegally.
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a pop I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it's popular enough that the alternatives for Germany came
Speaker 1: out front, but I guess they have been labeled by
Speaker 1: the media as Nazis. Are they really are Nazis? Oliver?
Speaker 1: I mean they're not, are they.
Speaker 3: Well, what you have said is absolutely rational to a
Speaker 3: dispassionate outside that if you had never heard the thing
Speaker 3: about German politics, and you were looking in from the
Speaker 3: outside and you say, well, look the two biggest parties
Speaker 3: after his election in Germany, the biggest party is the
Speaker 3: center right. The second biggest party is the sovereigntist right.
Speaker 3: Between them, they have enough votes to make a government. Okay,
Speaker 3: they won't agree on everything, but they agree on most things.
Speaker 3: That seems rational, doesn't it. The very problem is in
Speaker 3: Germany you have this these years and years of rhetoric
Speaker 3: because the existence of the alternative for Germany is an
Speaker 3: existential crisis for Germany's traditional ruling class.
Speaker 2: The political elite.
Speaker 3: These guys are coming along with new ideas, with new
Speaker 3: ways of doing things. They want to change the constitution,
Speaker 3: they want to change what it means to be, you know,
Speaker 3: the modern German state, which is fundamentally a liberal, all
Speaker 3: open borders, most multi racial country. Now that's not what
Speaker 3: Germany actually is in reality, but legally that's what they've
Speaker 3: been pushing for for decades. So for AFT to come
Speaker 3: along and say they want to do something else, but
Speaker 3: as I say, it's an existential threat. So these guys
Speaker 3: have been slammed a mercilessly for years, as you know,
Speaker 3: as the big naughty word nazis. Now that has very
Speaker 3: specific meaning, and.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a historical term.
Speaker 3: And as I've said before, I think really the only
Speaker 3: thing you can possibly get the a f D on
Speaker 3: for being like like Nazis is that they're Germans, but.
Speaker 2: Nothing else really applies.
Speaker 3: But hey, guess what the SBD there Germans do. But
Speaker 3: the fact is, you know that we don't have the
Speaker 3: anti semitism, we don't have like the extreme like wild racism.
Speaker 3: They these these This party was created because of sound money,
Speaker 3: because they want the economy of Rum properly. It was
Speaker 3: years until the party, years after the party was founded.
Speaker 3: Even I've been thinking about mass migration, but it makes sense.
Speaker 3: How can you have a strong economy, How can you
Speaker 3: have sound money if you have a state with welfare
Speaker 3: entitlements and open borders exact because the number if a
Speaker 3: number of theoretical claimants is unlimited, then the cost of
Speaker 3: your welfare state is unlimited. So you know, these things
Speaker 3: go together hand in hand. Now, because of the emotional
Speaker 3: investment they have in the AfD being evil, it's going
Speaker 3: to take a leader with enormous character to be able
Speaker 3: to say, okay, actually maybe we're wrong. You know a
Speaker 3: fifth of all Germans actually back these guys. This is
Speaker 3: a democracy. Ergo, this must mean something. And I don't
Speaker 3: think Friedrich merges that guy. So he's going to look
Speaker 3: at it and say, well, look, if I partner with
Speaker 3: the a f D, the Alternative of deutsch.
Speaker 2: Land, this is going to impact me personally on a
Speaker 2: social level.
Speaker 3: I'm no longer going to get in there's nice dinner parties,
Speaker 3: there's no nice cocktail receptions.
Speaker 2: When I retire from.
Speaker 3: Politics, I'm not going to get on that affluent speaking circuit.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make those millions because I'm not
Speaker 3: going to be in the cozy club any I'm going
Speaker 3: to be ostracized socially. So I think, honestly that's a
Speaker 3: big part of it, because it's social death in Germany
Speaker 3: to be something as Gausch and as unfashionable.
Speaker 2: As a supporter for the alternative Germany.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just so amazing in a completely alternative
Speaker 1: political setup that you just describe how many parallels you
Speaker 1: can draw between what's going on in Germany and what's
Speaker 1: here in the United States and the ultimately it comes
Speaker 1: down to narcissistic politicians who think more about themselves and
Speaker 1: their own best interests than the best interests of the
Speaker 1: people of the country.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing I always say about when
Speaker 3: I'm pitching the idea of caring about European politics to
Speaker 3: my American friends and colleagues, is that our civilizations, our cultures,
Speaker 3: are so closely into fined. Just having a little bit
Speaker 3: of distance, it gives you that crystal ball. You can
Speaker 3: gaze into it and you can see in some cases
Speaker 3: what's actually happened in your own country with more clarity
Speaker 3: because you have that distance and you can see things
Speaker 3: for how they truly are. And in other cases sometimes
Speaker 3: Europe is simply a head of America in bad stuff.
Speaker 3: So if you want to know what the radical left
Speaker 3: has planned for America in five, ten, fifteen years, help
Speaker 3: look at Germany, look at Spain, and you'll see it
Speaker 3: at HD Wow.
Speaker 1: And then you didn't have time. We haven't talked about
Speaker 1: energy policy. Germany shut down, it's nuclear plants, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have its own and factories aren't running. Right here, everything
Speaker 1: just real, real quickly. This coalition, this now left leaning
Speaker 1: or center left coalition that's being formed, where are they
Speaker 1: on energy policy? Are they going to continue chasing this
Speaker 1: green carbon free tail or are they going to wise
Speaker 1: up and realize that no, the world's not going to
Speaker 1: die because we decide we need nuclear power or we
Speaker 1: need some some of our own resources, like gas powered
Speaker 1: plants and things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Oliver, Yeah, Germany's a real mess when it comes to power.
Speaker 3: You remember as well as I do. Donald Trump, standing
Speaker 3: before the United Nations in twenty seventeen, was at twenty
Speaker 3: eighteen telling Germany that their reliance on Russian gas is
Speaker 3: going to cost them dearly, and the Germans laughed in
Speaker 3: his face. And he was right then, he was so right.
Speaker 3: And at a time where the global supply of gas
Speaker 3: is being constricted because of the Ukraine War, because of
Speaker 3: Russia's stupid decision to go to war with Europe via Ukraine,
Speaker 3: the Germans thought, this is the perfect time. There's never
Speaker 3: been a better opportunity when there's an energy shortage for
Speaker 3: us to shut down a fleet picular power stations. And
Speaker 3: I guess the reason that because this old coalition that's
Speaker 3: now just about to leave government it was between two
Speaker 3: left wing parties and the centrist party.
Speaker 2: And one of those left wing parties.
Speaker 3: Is the Green And I know, being green, it sounds
Speaker 3: so nice and fluffy, and how could anybody hate the
Speaker 3: environ The thing we've got to remember, when we hear green,
Speaker 3: we think left.
Speaker 2: These guides are the.
Speaker 3: Most radical revolutionary socialists on the planet, and they took
Speaker 3: the opportunity because they may never get into government again.
Speaker 3: I think the German people the way they voted, they
Speaker 3: punished this outgoing coalition, punished it, and the Greens were
Speaker 3: part of that.
Speaker 2: But they took the opportunity. You've got to give them
Speaker 2: credit for that.
Speaker 3: They know an opportunity when they see one, and they've
Speaker 3: wrecked the power situation in Germany. And as you say,
Speaker 3: Germany's industrial base is being decimated because the cost of
Speaker 3: industrial power is so high. Factories in Germany are spending millions,
Speaker 3: it's not billions of dollars extra on energy every year
Speaker 3: compared to say, their competitors in the United States, where
Speaker 3: you have bountiful clean fracking gas.
Speaker 2: So this is a real problem. How is it going
Speaker 2: to get fixed? We just don't know.
Speaker 3: We've got to see how it comes out in the
Speaker 3: negotiations in the coalition a group.
Speaker 2: But as I've said, I'm not what's a.
Speaker 1: Mistake lendivierchie Oliverlane, what an excellent, excellent explanation and breakdown
Speaker 1: for my listening audience. I truly appreciate you doing that today,
Speaker 1: spending time with my listeners, and keep up the great
Speaker 1: work at Breitbart. I'll look forward to having.
Speaker 2: You back on. Always a pleasure, until next time.
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Speaker 3: What wrong with German people,