WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.480 Hello everybody, and welcome to the final episode of Listener 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:08.720 Request Month here on Second Take Cinema. It has been 3 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:12.400 a journey, and today we wrap things up with a 4 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:16.480 request not too far from home, coming from Luke in Chelmsford. 5 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:19.280 He said, I'd like you guys to review Back to 6 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.559 the Future. It's my all time favorite film. I saw 7 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:24.480 it when I was nine or ten and I rewatch 8 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:27.440 it all the time. I love everything about this film, 9 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.879 and I think you will enjoy discussing it. Well, Luke, 10 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.280 today's your lucky day, because we're gonna fulfill your request. 11 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:40.280 That's right, Ladies and gentlemen, strap in, start your ignition 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.320 and prepare to reach eighty eight miles an hour as 13 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:50.039 we give a second ach to Back to the Future. 14 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.760 Back to the Future of a nineteen eighty five American 15 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:52.359 science fiction film directed by Robert Zamechis and written by 16 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.239 Zamechis and Bob Gail. It stars Michael J. Fox, Christopher 17 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:01.239 Lloyd Lear, Thompson Crispinglover, and Thomas F. Wilson. It was 18 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.560 made for a budget of nineteen million dollars, where it 19 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.800 grossed three hundred and ninety eight point two million dollars 20 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.240 at the box office. Back to the Future received generally 21 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.520 positive reviews from critics, with most reviewers agreeing Back to 22 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.919 the Future was amongst the year's most entertaining films, partly 23 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:22.240 because of its focus on storytelling instead of pure spectacle. 24 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.599 Paul Attanasio and Gene Siskel argued that while Back to 25 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.240 the Future appeared to be everything wrong with youth targeted films, 26 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.680 it successfully subverted expectations by focusing on a relatable narrative 27 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:38.759 and an emotional core an unemployed, irreverent, good natured humor. They, 28 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.840 alongside Richard Carlis, agreed that it would endure because it 29 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:45.639 offered something for children and adults. Some reviewers, such as 30 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:49.240 Carlis and Leonard Moulton, agreed that the exposition heavy opening 31 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:51.879 was Back to the Future's weakest part, but led into 32 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.400 a stronger half filled with wit, wonder, comic epiphany, and 33 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:59.840 original ideas. Dave Kerr remarked that Galen Zamechis were among 34 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.639 the first generation of filmmakers openly influenced by growing upon 35 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:09.159 televised entertainment, and their inspirations are evident throughout The Hollywood 36 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:12.840 Reporter said that despite Spielberg's producer role, it was Zemeckis's vision, 37 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:17.360 being more subtle, gentler, and less noisy. Some reviewers compared 38 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.719 it favorably to the nineteen forty six fantasy drama It's 39 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.599 a Wonderful Life, which offered a similar premise of a 40 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:31.560 central character changing his future. Yeah. Roger Ebert said the 41 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.479 film offered humanity, charm, humor, and many surprises that were 42 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:39.479 among its greatest pleasures. Sheila Benson was more critical. She 43 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.639 found Back to the Future to be overproduced and underdeveloped, 44 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.680 featuring a hollow ending focused on materialistic rewards, and lacking 45 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.560 tension because Marty's success never seemed in doubt. Siskell counted 46 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.479 that the tension came from defying the expectations of a 47 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:57.919 typical time travel film by making the past mutable and 48 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:02.919 the future uncertain. Atanasio criticized some aspects that seemed to 49 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:07.319 be mechanically designed to create the broadcast audience appeal. The 50 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:12.800 cast performances were generally well received, particularly those of Fox, Lloyd, Thompson, 51 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:17.480 and Glover. Reviewers consistently praised Fox's appealing performance, although some 52 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:22.120 believed Lloyd's performance outshone the rest. Care and Atanasio considered 53 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.120 his uncontrolled performance and unique intensity, a tribute to mad 54 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.480 scientist characters portrayed by the likes of Sid Caesar and 55 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:34.360 John Belushi, while creating the definitive scientist archetype for modern audiences. 56 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:39.360 In contrast, Vincent Cambian Variety's review said that Thompson's deceptively 57 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:45.120 passionate performance and Glover's bumbling to confident character provided Back 58 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.680 to the Future's standout performances. Some reviewers considered the use 59 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.519 of Libyan terrorists and actual fear at the time to 60 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.319 be in poor taste. At the nineteen eighty six Academy Awards, 61 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.199 Back to the Future received one award for Best Sound 62 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.600 Effects Editing, and had a further three nominations for Best 63 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:07.800 Original Screenplay, Best Sound and Best Original Song for That's 64 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:12.399 the Power of Love by Huey Lewis and the News. Okay, 65 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:17.160 so back to the Future, Rawsham, When did you first 66 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:18.160 see Back to the Future. 67 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.480 I'll be honest, I've seen the second one before I 68 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:21.600 saw the first, so I can't remember. 69 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:22.879 I saw him in the wrong order. 70 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:24.759 I know I did the same with Terminate. I'm kind 71 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.600 of crazy, child, but I'll be honest, I don't remember 72 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.839 when I first saw it likes it. I couldn't pinpoint 73 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:33.279 a date or even a rough time. 74 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.000 Do you remember if you I was definitely a kid. 75 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.160 I just can't remember if it was sort of late, 76 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.240 like before I was ten or after I was ten. 77 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.480 Essentially it's it's but either way it probably was close 78 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.399 to ten one side or the other. I watched this 79 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:52.120 film as a kid. I love this film as a kid. 80 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.480 I did again I am. I'm going to say it outright, 81 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.639 I do prefer the sequel, and there'll be some notes 82 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.920 that I give during this discussion to maybe why and 83 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.439 what I think some of the thoughtfuls were on this film. 84 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.920 But yeah, I enjoyed this film and it was nice 85 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:09.920 to go back to it. It's one of those films 86 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.040 though that I find And again we'll get to this 87 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.879 as we discussed, but it really doesn't hold up under scrutiny. 88 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.560 So it's a really fun film to watch. It's not 89 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:24.920 a great film to review because it doesn't like. Some 90 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.720 of the layers they've put in don't hold up when 91 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:30.920 you start to break them down, right, But yeah, I'll 92 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.279 leave that for you. What about yourself? 93 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:34.360 So I saw this very late, so I'm gonna hold 94 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:36.439 my hands up right now. I do not have the 95 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:40.759 same nostalgia for this movie that most people do. I 96 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.639 didn't see this till I was thirty three. I only 97 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.519 saw it for the first time a couple of years ago. Yeah, 98 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.319 and this is my second time watching it. I don't 99 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.920 know why. It wasn't planned. It's just one of those 100 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.040 things where I've always known Back to the Future was 101 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:59.240 this really important, you know, pop culture milestone, and for 102 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.959 some reason, I just never got around to watching it. 103 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.000 But no, I did like Back to Future. I'm not 104 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:06.959 gonna sit here and be like, oh, it was garbage. 105 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:10.160 I just don't have that nostalgia for it that a 106 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:11.040 lot of people do. 107 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.639 Yeah, I definitely have more nostalgia for the second one, 108 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.680 but also the second one, And again that's that's a conversation. 109 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.360 We'll probably save it. It's for an as and when we 110 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.439 do the second film. But the second most people who 111 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:25.000 know me know that I kind of have a love 112 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.680 for cyberpunk, and there's some cyber punky elements, not fully cyberpunk, 113 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.879 but there's some cyberpunky aesthetic elements to the second one, 114 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.079 So it automatically wins my heart. 115 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:38.519 More than the other two. Yeah. No, worries, but we 116 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.199 were happy to do a review of Back to Back 117 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.680 to the Future. So let me tell you the first 118 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.879 thing that struck me other than I really like the 119 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:49.279 opening shot of this film. I love that it's the 120 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:54.560 slow pan over Doc Brown's clocks and like the papers, 121 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.040 and then we come down to the door, the door, 122 00:07:57.279 --> 00:07:59.680 and we do a hero shot. It's all one take 123 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.439 as well, let's all one take following Martin McFly around. 124 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.279 And then the first thing he does is that plug 125 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.720 is a plug is a guitar into that giant amp, yes, 126 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:15.399 and literally blow himself up and it's like, oh cool. 127 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.399 And then you get set a phone called by the way, 128 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:19.639 don't use the ab but I think it'll blow and 129 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:20.040 he's like. 130 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.600 No perps And just like that, you've set up for 131 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:27.360 me what tone I'm going to be expecting for this movie. 132 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:32.120 It's a little bit goofball. Yeah, it's some really good opening. 133 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.240 Martin McFly obviously has gone on to become a very 134 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.240 iconic character, like that look has gone on to become 135 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.360 iconic with the red body warmer. 136 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.759 Yes, the life Preserver, The life Preserver. 137 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:46.519 One thing that struck me when I first watched this 138 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.799 film they never explain how Doc Brown and Martin know 139 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.320 each other. This is just like a sixteen seventeen year 140 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.200 old kid hanging around with a crazy old inventor man. 141 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.039 Yes and that. Yeah, it's like yeah, okay, yeah, of 142 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:03.919 course of course they're friends us their best is. 143 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.039 Yeah, how did they even cross paths with each other? 144 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.360 The closest you get is a lie, which is in 145 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.559 the nineteen fifty five bit when Lorraine, his mum, comes 146 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:17.639 to see them and Doc Brown suggests that I can't 147 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:19.799 remember which one suggests it, but basically that Doc Brown's 148 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.639 his uncle. But obviously that's a lie. It's not even true. 149 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.519 But it's like, that's the closest we get to a 150 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.399 backstory for these two and it's not even real. 151 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.039 Yeah. It's kind of one of those things where the 152 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.120 film very much is like doesn't matter. 153 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:38.559 Yeah, I mean there is. It's awkward because if they 154 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.320 were about the same age, you wouldn't question it. No, no, 155 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.039 And I think that's the thing is like if it's like, well, 156 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.440 you shouldn't have to explain these two people are friends, 157 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.480 you know, why do you have to explain why they're friends? 158 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:51.639 But it kind of feels like you have to when 159 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.399 it's essentially an underage kid and an old man. 160 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.679 I think maybe in nineteen eighty five that wasn't It 161 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.240 probably wasn't as big of a an issue to people. 162 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.919 There has always been this idea of certainly in America. 163 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.960 Maybe it's different in America as well, because they had 164 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:07.960 I know, we kind of had this here, but it 165 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.399 wasn't as big. They had the like the boy Scouts 166 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.320 and stuff like that, which was always older men going 167 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.799 off into the woods with young, younger boys. And it 168 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.120 wasn't anything weird or strange like that. It was. The 169 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.960 idea was just that you'd have someone who was older 170 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:22.600 who would be like a good example. 171 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.240 Yeah, that would be their knowledge. 172 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.279 Yeah, they'd be like friends of the kids. But they 173 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.919 obviously it was at this distance. But that feels different 174 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.720 because that's an agreed upon group thing, like I'm going 175 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.559 to put my child into the Scouts, and I understand 176 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.879 that this older man is going to be taking care 177 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.559 of him, whereas in this scenario, it's just two isolated 178 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.879 people that are in some way found each other. Yeah, 179 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.720 but we again, we get no context. 180 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.559 You kind of get the impression the weird thing is 181 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.279 is and it doesn't I'm not saying this is a 182 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.120 criticism of the film, by the way, I'm just sort 183 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.000 of saying it as a oh, this is funny. On 184 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.360 the one hand, you get the impression that maybe what's 185 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.960 made Marty go to Doc Brown is it kind of 186 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.879 feels like he doesn't really fit in in his family. Yes, 187 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.639 and maybe it's sort of a farther figure uncle figure 188 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.000 type thing, you know, like you said, an older, wiser 189 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:20.559 person to pass on knowledge because his dad is the 190 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:21.720 wettest of letterces. 191 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.679 Yes, but he does. Also, the other thing is Doc 192 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.720 Brown has a massive amp that he could explode, so. 193 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:32.120 That the other thing, though that's an odd choice, is Ordinarily, 194 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:36.039 if you have a young person who befriends an older 195 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.679 person and like just go, you know, befriends an old 196 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.679 inventor and just goes and hangs out the ham h 197 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:44.080 you would expect that person to be a raging nerd. Yes, 198 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:48.080 But Martin McFly is repeatedly shown as being cool as fuck. Yeah, 199 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:51.559 he's a skateboarder, he's got a girlfriend. You'd expect it 200 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.679 to be the person who has no friends, no girlfriend 201 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:57.240 in his basement dweller. Yeah, and they're they're connecting with 202 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:58.840 this person over a shared interest. 203 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:01.159 I mean, the other thing is well is whether we 204 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.080 like it or not. You when you're a young man, 205 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.919 you take several cues from your father, sometimes good, sometimes negative, 206 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.039 and sometimes you learn not to be them rather than 207 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.840 learn to be them. But Marty kind of is in 208 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.480 a weird zone where he's so out of sync with George, 209 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:19.799 like that this version of George that we first meet, 210 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.279 because as you say, George is such a simpering wet 211 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.679 lettuce and Marty doesn't seem to have that in him. 212 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.679 But it's not like he's you'd imagine, certainly with a 213 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:32.559 sixteen to seventeen year old boy, if you're at a 214 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.039 point where it's like, right, I'm actually as a sixteen 215 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.159 seventy year old boy, I've got this kind of mickisma 216 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.080 about me. I've worked myself out to a devil, and 217 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.840 my dad is this simpering twat. There'd be a lot 218 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:44.559 more basically f. 219 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:45.559 You dad going on. 220 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.200 But he has like enough respect to talk to his 221 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.679 father like a human being, whilst also being like, oh 222 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:55.759 this this fucking dude. When the way that he reacts 223 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:59.320 to Biff, Yeah, and you like that, you know, yeah, 224 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:00.879 And it's like I'm I'm not sure that's something that 225 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.399 a sixteen year old would ask his dad. No, it 226 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.519 would either be like you're such a web dad, I 227 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:11.480 hate you, or it would be essentially like, oh, well, 228 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.320 you know, brown nosing is the way that you go 229 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.200 up in the world learning from the negative of your 230 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.159 dad's example. So yes, okay, So let's let's start on 231 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.600 some of the notes that I pulled when I watched Fume. 232 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:27.399 So yes, Christmas Glove's version of the nerdy character. The 233 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.720 thing I he's much better when he plays the nineteen 234 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:34.960 fifty five George, but in this opening thing, he's so nerdy. 235 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.320 He's playing it like basically like a comedy character you'd 236 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.039 get in like a National Lampoon movie. 237 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.480 It's very over the top. It's not even close to 238 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.159 how even even the most bumbling of dads would act. 239 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.879 Yeah, the thing is I've put here the performance is 240 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.240 lacking depth in regards to an inner agony and shame. 241 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:56.240 Like he's I know, he's meant to be like a weak, 242 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.600 simpering man. And Biff's come around and he's basically throwing 243 00:13:58.639 --> 00:13:59.360 his dick around. 244 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:04.840 Hello McFly, where's my things? Did he keep calling him 245 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:05.440 a butt head? 246 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:06.039 Yeah? 247 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:06.720 Who but it. 248 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:10.799 He says that the second one, that's my favorite one. 249 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.120 But yeah, no he yeah. So he's bullying the dad 250 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.320 in his own home and there's a bit where he 251 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.639 just goes he just takes sweets out of the sweet 252 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.480 jar without asking and shit like that. Biff is doing 253 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.480 a great job. Tom Wilson is smashing it. The problem 254 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.720 is is Biff. Tom Wilson's Biff doesn't have much to 255 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:32.480 push against because Christian Glovery is too accommodating. And here's 256 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.039 the thing. You don't have to rewrite the scene. The 257 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.399 scene is fine, but there has to be a point 258 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.600 where you can see in the performance somewhere that that 259 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:45.120 George is allowing it to happen because he's too scared, 260 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.720 but that he hates it. But he doesn't seem to 261 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.000 hate it. It's just like, oh, well, you know, that's 262 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.639 just the answer of oh well, you know, that's just 263 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.120 how it is. That's meant to cover his ego and 264 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.399 his shame. But you don't feel any ego damage or shame. 265 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.559 It's just like, yeah, it's played too cool. So it 266 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.039 feels like an SNL sketch more than it feels like 267 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.440 an actual movie scene. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair there, 268 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.960 but I think there could have been a bit more 269 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.480 depth to this intro of modern day George. I don't 270 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.039 know if you'd agree with that or yeah. 271 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:25.120 I just all that struck me was how completely unrealistic 272 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:28.080 of a portrayal it was. I will say one thing 273 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.039 that I don't think works in the film, and I 274 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.360 think anyone who takes off the nostalgia goggles would admit, yes, 275 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:40.360 I think the young actors playing the aged up versions, 276 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:46.799 so Crispin Glover and Leah Thompson, it just doesn't work. 277 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.919 And the makeup doesn't work because even the performance on 278 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.639 Christopher Lloyd is fine because Doc Brown is kind of 279 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:55.639 played in a timeless way where. 280 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:59.279 He could because it's a ball direct man, ball inventor. Yeah, 281 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.639 he plays it the exact same way in both time periods. 282 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.799 But it works at any age. But the maker is 283 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.759 either at centric or an old ball for the. 284 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:10.480 Makeup doesn't I should I should mention that I watched 285 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:12.519 the four K restoration version. 286 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.399 See I watched the Blu ray version which is full HD, 287 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:18.840 but you could still tell that the makeup was fake. 288 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:23.840 What a fine interesting in retrospect is so the very 289 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.759 opening of back to the future too. When they arrive 290 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.360 in the future, right at the beginning, he immediately starts 291 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:37.360 peeling his face off, and when Marty goes, what are 292 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.480 you doing, is, oh, it's a facial scrub latex cover. 293 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.720 So now, and they basically they use it as an 294 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.120 excuse for Old Doc to remove the old man makeup, 295 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.720 and they pretend it's a latex mask thing from the 296 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:54.679 future that rejuvenates his youth, and it did not remember, 297 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.559 it's played away in like one or two lines, and 298 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.879 just they knew them. They knew a makeuple shit. So 299 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:02.639 they apply it right at the start because he's still 300 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.720 got it at the end of the first film, and 301 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.759 they immediately carry on from each other, so they apply it. 302 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.039 They arrive in the in our well at the time 303 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.599 was our future, and then he just peels his face 304 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:18.440 off and goes, yeah, no, it was just a mask anyway. 305 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:22.359 And we all just move on. We all just move on. Yeah, okay, yeah, 306 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.759 that was a thing with me. Like Leah Thompson's kind 307 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.319 of doing the if you ask any young actor to 308 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.440 play an old person, they kind of default to like her, Oh, 309 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.000 I'm Marty, how you doing type thing. Yeah, he's kind 310 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.640 of doing that. Chrispin Glover is not aging his physical 311 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:43.200 performance at all. It is still as over the top 312 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:43.880 and flappy. 313 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:48.240 Yeah, he's he's kind of got that I'd say nineties 314 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.960 Jim Carey energy, the way that he carries his arms 315 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.000 and stuff. Yeah, he's got that kind of overly manic 316 00:17:55.319 --> 00:18:00.359 youth energy even as an older man. It's a bit 317 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.000 weird one. The other thing with Leah Thompson's character, and 318 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.200 it's not her fault. This is a script thing because 319 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.839 I think she performs it just fine. I don't really 320 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.039 see any reason that's told why she hasn't left, because 321 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:14.279 by this point she clearly hates him because she thought 322 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:16.039 he was a hard man and now he's just this 323 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:19.799 simpering loser and she's still with him with three kids, 324 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.960 drinking vodka, she at breakfast time. Yeah, there's a really 325 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:25.839 weird dynamic. 326 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.640 I did I do, Like Marty skateboarding to score though, 327 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.200 hanging on the back of the pickup truck while The 328 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:34.400 Power of Love plays. 329 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.799 That was cool. Like again, this film knows how to 330 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.359 This film, if nothing else, knows exactly how to play 331 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:44.200 Marty and the doc because Marty is immediately cool in 332 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.480 an effortless way. The other thing I just want to 333 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.880 mention before we move on from the family last minute thing, 334 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.039 he's got a brother and sister in this film, which 335 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.480 are kind of important because the photo of them disappearing 336 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.519 shows him that he's wiping out his own timeline. But 337 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:02.640 they never returned in the sequels. 338 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.279 Yeah, well, because they're kind of nothing characters, aren't they only. 339 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.720 Because the films it's a trilogy and they choose to 340 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:11.759 do nothing with them. Yeah, it's kind of weird, like 341 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:14.759 because in this version, before he goes back into the past, 342 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.400 his brother, for example, is a pizza delivery guy, and 343 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.920 then when he returns, he's like a businessman in a suit, 344 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.480 and you're just like, Okay, we'll get to that at 345 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.519 the end, because I actually have some commits on that, 346 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.440 but like, it's it's very weird that they've changed the 347 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:35.519 characters so much, rather than just changing Crispin Glover, because 348 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.759 that was the thing is I think Crispin Glover. 349 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.319 I think the implication's supposed to be that because they've 350 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:46.240 this could possibly be considered a little bit sexist. Yeah, 351 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.519 but I think the implication is supposed to be that 352 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:51.160 because the kids have been raised by a stronger, more 353 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:55.759 confident father. Yes, they've actually gotten their lives together, whereas 354 00:19:55.799 --> 00:20:00.000 a weak man like George war Raised, it's just like, yeah, 355 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.599 careers don't really matter. Like if you don't want to 356 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.079 go to school, don't go to school, so you end 357 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.160 up the best you can do is deliver it pizza 358 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.880 delivery man? Or what does the sister do she's got I. 359 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.680 Think she's still in college, right, yeah, because I know 360 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.000 Marty is, but I think she's younger than him. 361 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:17.400 I can't recall. 362 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:19.160 I don't know why Marty is the last one to 363 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:20.400 disappear in the photo either. 364 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.079 I thought he was the youngest. I thought that was why. 365 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.119 Oh is he the youngest? I think that's why he's 366 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.359 the last one to go. Oh. 367 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.960 Yeah, because she's got a thing that says in the 368 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:32.400 photo she's got a jumper on, doesn't she. That says 369 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.960 class of eighty four, which is the year before, So yeah, 370 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.759 she must be older. Then he'd be the first one 371 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.640 to go, though she in college, he's in high school. Yeah, 372 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:42.920 but surely then he'd be the first one to go. 373 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.480 No, because time's going that way, times are raising that way, so. 374 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:50.680 No, but if some raises that way, then no, because 375 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:52.279 if times are raising that way, he'd be the first 376 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:54.799 one to go, because surely the idea is that they're 377 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:59.079 getting wiped out because essentially George and Leanne Lorraine sorry, 378 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.720 don't have a long lasting relationship, so as that relationship 379 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.359 time span short, and surely the youngest kid would be 380 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:09.160 the first one cut because you wouldn't get to sleep 381 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:10.920 together to get to the third kid if you hadn't 382 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:11.799 the first and second. 383 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:13.839 Yeah, but I think they're just doing it in that 384 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:16.119 sort of way where it's going along. Time just happens 385 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:21.960 to be linear backwards. Right again? Why not what they ever? Yeah, 386 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.519 you were right. I really don't have any other notes 387 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.720 until we get to him showing him the DeLorean exactly. 388 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:29.400 My next thing is about the Dolorean. 389 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.000 So well, my next was just it's real. It's real 390 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:34.880 weird the way they crowbar in or I ripped off 391 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:39.279 the Libyan nationalists, and it's a little bit like it's 392 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.359 the eighties and you didn't just go Soviet Russia, Like 393 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:43.119 do you know what I mean? 394 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:44.400 Like, yeah, why choose Libya? 395 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.240 The whole point is to get you. It's getting plutonium, 396 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:47.759 isn't it. 397 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.519 Yeah, there's news reports we see, right, from the opening 398 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:54.000 shot of the fact that plutonium has been stolen. Yeah, 399 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.279 and you know that's being referenced because he's got the platonium. Yeah. 400 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:00.079 It's kind of weird though, because it'd be like if 401 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.559