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Speaker 2: Operation g c D with an Operation GCD Invasion of
Speaker 2: the Occult Rejects here with the follow ocult reject Julia
Speaker 2: from the Cosmic Peach podcast, and of course Neck the
Speaker 2: host of the Ocult Rejects.
Speaker 4: It's going on.
Speaker 2: I can't hear you. No, there you go going on?
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Guys.
Speaker 2: Well this this conversation kind of grew over conversation we
Speaker 2: had last week right on the Ocult Rejects. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's quite dropped yet.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, it's like a preview. Actually, I think
Speaker 4: it will drop next Wednesday or something like that.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, let's say, let's go let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and tease that episode, because that's gonna be a
Speaker 2: good conversation for folks to check out as well. And
Speaker 2: if folks of the interwebs are not familiar with Tuesday
Speaker 2: Well this this name came up in a conversation last
Speaker 2: week about a cult Elvis Tuesday Well. When when Julia
Speaker 2: brought it up in the conversation and asked me if
Speaker 2: I new Tuesday Well, I simply replied, one of my
Speaker 2: favorite people in the entire universe because I love because
Speaker 2: I'm pro Tuesday. It was because she's connected to everything
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: How you say, not because I'm pro Tuesday.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not for Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, me either, me either. But she's somebody that
Speaker 1: I've actually I've mentioned several times in previous episodes. I
Speaker 1: actually the first time I talked about her on my
Speaker 1: show was in twenty twenty two. So is definitely you know,
Speaker 1: do for a refresher, just for even people who listen
Speaker 1: to my show, because you know, I just assume that
Speaker 1: everyone everyone knows about her, because I did do an
Speaker 1: episode on her a couple of years ago, but it's
Speaker 1: been so long, you know, you'd have to dig through,
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of episodes to get to that one.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of excited to revitalize it today and
Speaker 1: make it more well known for people who haven't heard
Speaker 1: of her. So we're throwing down on Tuesday on a Monday,
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be it Monday. Yeah, right, you had
Speaker 2: no idea Tuesday. Well, it was when this came up
Speaker 2: during that show, right, I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 2: Tuesday's done a great job of playing you know, laying beneath.
Speaker 1: Flamelow, under the radar the public.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It was the only time I had ever really heard
Speaker 4: about her.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 4: I think, like one time Lisa for some reason, and
Speaker 4: she can't remember why, she was looking into somehow she
Speaker 4: was she was related to Joe Rogan. She had heard somewhere,
Speaker 4: So I'm like, yeah, like weird, like you know, who
Speaker 4: knows if it's true, But like that was the only
Speaker 4: time I really ever heard of Tuesday. Well, that had
Speaker 4: no idea who she really is.
Speaker 1: Though, if that's true, I'm gonna ship my whole entire pants.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't. I can't believe I haven't done Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan's family tree yet. That's it's shocking to me. As
Speaker 2: much Joe Rogan stuff as I've done.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me. But you know, somebody that I've
Speaker 1: worked with a few times, I think Nick has two
Speaker 1: is uh Sean McCann. Yes, And he knew so much
Speaker 1: about Tuesday and and he and I talked about her together,
Speaker 1: and so I just want to give him a quick
Speaker 1: shout out because he dropped some stuff into my life
Speaker 1: about her that I didn't even know about that I
Speaker 1: included in this presentation. So before I get started, I
Speaker 1: just want to say shout out to him too, because
Speaker 1: he's looked into her and found some really crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: But if you've ever seen a picture of her.
Speaker 2: But well, man interject real quick, yeah, before we describe
Speaker 2: who is Tuesday, Will, how did you just like you're saying,
Speaker 2: Sean McCann has done podcasts on this too. Now, I
Speaker 2: haven't heard anyone talk about Tuesday well since Adam go rightly,
Speaker 2: Sirra two thousand and seven something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Sean McCann's.
Speaker 2: Conversation used to be with her, right, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure when it dropped into his, you know, periphery for
Speaker 1: him to start looking into it. But I found her
Speaker 1: looking into Laurel Canyon because she is a big sixties
Speaker 1: counterculture person. And then I had mentioned her in passing
Speaker 1: to Sean and he was like, oh shit, you know,
Speaker 1: I know so much about her, and then we did
Speaker 1: an episode on her together. But I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you've ever seen a picture of her, nick, but she
Speaker 1: is like the proverbial Madonna, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Mansfield, big
Speaker 1: blue eyes, blonde hair, she looks like a Barbie doll essentially, she.
Speaker 2: Could, right, she could have been bigger than all those stars, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it seems like she fits that that archetype. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there she goes with Jack Nicholson. You'll see her hanging around.
Speaker 1: It's like she's everywhere and nowhere at the same time.
Speaker 1: You know, she's everywhere for those who know where she is,
Speaker 1: but nowhere to people that are familiar with sixties counterculture.
Speaker 1: When you look back on it, you're like, oh, like
Speaker 1: I said, Jane Mansfield, Marilyn Monroe, whoever, whoever was big
Speaker 1: during that time. She's sitting right here next to Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 1: It's like, who is this person? If you saw this picture,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even know who she was, but she's everywhere fan.
Speaker 2: Girl right right? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I first this is when they get a movie together.
Speaker 2: I think this was nineteen seventy two. They did a
Speaker 2: film together, If I'm not mistaken, I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: remember which one it was.
Speaker 1: I remember which one it was. I think I have
Speaker 1: it in my notes for later.
Speaker 2: But it's been in Hollywood since she was a little girl, right,
Speaker 2: She was about what's seven years old, I believe.
Speaker 1: When she started the Yeah, yeah, she was really really young.
Speaker 1: And I guess in order to understand why she's significant
Speaker 1: in what role she plays in this weird society of
Speaker 1: famous people, you kind of almost have to go back
Speaker 1: in time and look at her family, right, who are
Speaker 1: the Weld's, What where did she come from? Why is
Speaker 1: she's special?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Xyz? And it turns out actually that the Weld family
Speaker 1: is really really old family. They came over on the
Speaker 1: Mayflower type shit, you know, one of the very first families.
Speaker 1: They came to America in the sixteen hundreds from England,
Speaker 1: and the Weld family is actually an extended family of
Speaker 1: the Boston Brahmin family. The name Brahmin might sound familiar
Speaker 1: to people who are listening to this. Brahmin is kind
Speaker 1: of like one of those really old families that kind
Speaker 1: of run everything. They're like the Boston elite, if you will,
Speaker 1: the Brahmin family. So the Welds are an extension of
Speaker 1: the Boston Brahmins, and the Welds are actually the ones
Speaker 1: who helped start Harvard University as a gift they were
Speaker 1: given by the royal family. The Weld family was given Roxbury, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: and like, uh, Jamaica plane, it's all weld Land and yeah,
Speaker 1: basically so you got this weird Boston kind of with
Speaker 1: the Brahmans, but also like most of Massachusetts has turned
Speaker 1: to like weld land.
Speaker 2: Sure, and they started that all on a mound there
Speaker 2: in Jamaica plane called Nights at Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, freaking mound builder weirdness, right.
Speaker 2: So shentions to the Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Well, she's related to the governor of Massachusetts, which was
Speaker 1: William Weld and if you go all the way back
Speaker 1: in time, right, the thirteen hundreds is the earliest recorded
Speaker 1: members of the Weld family. They're all like sheriffs in London.
Speaker 1: Some of them are knights, uh shit like that.
Speaker 2: And then they started some old school Celtic stuff though, right,
Speaker 2: like the ancient king Zatara, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I think they were
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was in the thirteen hundreds
Speaker 1: or when they came over on the Mayflower, but they
Speaker 1: were Protestant. But after they got over here they sort
Speaker 1: of kind of like integrated their power into religiosity, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them converted to Catholicism and became like
Speaker 1: Jesuit priests. So there's so many layers to this. And
Speaker 1: actually John B. Weld and Alfred Weld to be specific,
Speaker 1: they were Jesuit priests, and Alfred was known to be
Speaker 1: a Jesuit priest, an astronomer, and the administrator for the
Speaker 1: Society of Jesus. So it's like I said, it's like,
Speaker 1: if you go even all.
Speaker 2: The way back, there an administrator there that wasn't even
Speaker 2: just a member. He's like, I'm I'm not just a member,
Speaker 2: I'm the president, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like sheriffs, knights, Jesuit priests, administrators for the
Speaker 1: Society of Jesus. You've got astronomers, Boston elite, the Brahmin family.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Welds are nuts. You got governors. They
Speaker 1: own most of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from there the infamous incident between Bill Weld and
Speaker 2: Whitey Bulger's brother the government. You point it out, so
Speaker 2: that is a cousin of hers. He also descends from
Speaker 2: Eliza Weld. So Eliza Weld was a colonel in the Revolution.
Speaker 2: They're on the Weld Mound there in Jamaica Plains. In
Speaker 2: fact that the weld manor there on Weld Hill served
Speaker 2: as an operations headquarters for the Massachusetts contingent of the Revolution.
Speaker 2: So they're very very integral, very integral. That was basically
Speaker 2: you know headquarters, you know, operations.
Speaker 1: Center right there, founding fathers and stuff like.
Speaker 2: The damn near like yeah, close to it. Within the
Speaker 2: leubled Down.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Because as far as mass She's is concerned, I mean,
Speaker 2: they're they were a major again, as you pointed out
Speaker 2: that they were the religious heads with a starting Harvard
Speaker 2: because that started as a religious school, and then they
Speaker 2: were the military heads because they weren't generals, but you know,
Speaker 2: they're the ones that ran their house was run, you know,
Speaker 2: they run everything out of their house, you know, and
Speaker 2: whatever that mound was they operated. The rest of their
Speaker 2: friends all thought it was important for some reason.
Speaker 1: Well, of course, it goes all the way back to
Speaker 1: ancient history, doesn't it, with the mound builders and all
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean even within that family, probably even you know,
Speaker 2: maybe even a different track, because I believe those ancient
Speaker 2: kings of Tar or they claimed to be descended from,
Speaker 2: they used to be crowned on a mound over there
Speaker 2: right the hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and wasn't like Jembel Island supposed to be there
Speaker 1: was something built on a mound or am I making
Speaker 1: it up?
Speaker 2: Okay? The Rockefellers another society family out of society, Cincinnati
Speaker 2: family out of New York, the New York chapter they owned,
Speaker 2: they owned the uh, the Indian Mound Cottage down there
Speaker 2: where the secret meetings were held for the rituals.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Well, just form of the magic that we call the
Speaker 2: Federal Reserve. It's definitely it's always mound stuff with these people.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying, like I was gonna call
Speaker 2: it the hillcam War, but I'm like, no, no, that
Speaker 2: I'm thinking in my head, that's that's Mormon stuff. That's
Speaker 2: Mormon stuff. The Hill, the Hill Tara is the is
Speaker 2: the Ancient is a place over there in Ireland where
Speaker 2: they the old ancient kings of ancient Celtic kings used
Speaker 2: to you know, the heather coronations, rituals and ceremonies. So
Speaker 2: that's who the world's claimed to be descended from.
Speaker 1: That's so nuts to me because it's like they have
Speaker 1: little pockets everywhere. It's not just in America obviously, because
Speaker 1: there's members of the family like Sir Frank Weld he
Speaker 1: was the Prime Minister of New Zealand and also the
Speaker 1: Governor of Western Australia. And then like Thomas Weld, he
Speaker 1: was one of the ones who helped create Harvard and
Speaker 1: he was a personal friend of King George the Third.
Speaker 2: Typical, they're very Anglo focused family. They seem to be
Speaker 2: still to this day, and they're having this Anglo American influence,
Speaker 2: you know, this this British influence on America. And speaking
Speaker 2: of that, speaking of that, back to Bill Weld, right,
Speaker 2: Wright took us off on the standard of there, Julia.
Speaker 2: So Bill Weld was the governor, as you pointed out,
Speaker 2: Tuesday's cousin, and Whitey Bulger's brother was the President of
Speaker 2: the State Senate, Bill Bill Bulger. So I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if I'm sure either of you were aware of that,
Speaker 2: that the infamous gangster Whitey Bulger, while he's being a gangster,
Speaker 2: his brother's the president of the State Senate in the
Speaker 2: same city of Boston.
Speaker 1: There, figure right, you have to somebody on both sides exactly, And.
Speaker 2: Well they're running the same operations, just from different roubles.
Speaker 2: So Bill Weld and Bill Bolger getting an infamous dispute.
Speaker 2: Maybe too much of a New England or to even
Speaker 2: know this story, but they get an into infamous dispute
Speaker 2: on the floor of the State House and they're in Boston,
Speaker 2: and Boulger's roasting Weld saying like, you know, oh my
Speaker 2: family has been here since blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and welds and well, you know, watches them, you know,
Speaker 2: in his little temper tantrum in front of the entire
Speaker 2: again the joint session, and he's the governor there at
Speaker 2: the State House, you know Bill Bolger's house. He's running
Speaker 2: as the state's state's president of the State Senate. And
Speaker 2: well just replies with, yeah, we sent over our help
Speaker 2: here first. So that's the Weld family. That's the Weld family.
Speaker 2: H yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and they're also responsible for like setting up major
Speaker 1: trade routes and stuff. And like so William Gordon Weld
Speaker 1: founded some kind of fleet of trading vessels which did
Speaker 1: opium trade to China. That I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: Weld fan This is what they're known for. I mean,
Speaker 1: and so and so William Gordon Weld's son taught William
Speaker 1: Fletcher Weld. He expanded like this little empire, right, and
Speaker 1: he introduced an even bigger fleet of ships and they
Speaker 1: were called the black Horse flag Fleet, and they were
Speaker 1: opium traders and they were coming straight out of like
Speaker 1: Massachusetts doing opium trade. I mean, this family, I'm talking
Speaker 1: like they are the elites. They're the Brahmins, they're the
Speaker 1: elite class. They're doing opium trade. They're involved in government,
Speaker 1: they're involved in religion. They're in New Zealand, they're in Australia,
Speaker 1: they're everywhere literally from going all the way back to
Speaker 1: King George the third and he like knighted some of them.
Speaker 3: So this is.
Speaker 1: Right, right, kind of like a like a Roth's child
Speaker 1: for America. Yeah, because everybody goes to like more overtly
Speaker 1: what's that I said? I think everybody fixates on like
Speaker 1: Rockefeller and like names like that. But the Weld family
Speaker 1: is should be mentioned when those things come up, for sure,
Speaker 1: and my and.
Speaker 2: My and my perspective, they're one of the same. They're
Speaker 2: both the Society Cincinnati families. But you know, in regard
Speaker 2: to the Welds, they seem more overtly involved in witchcraft
Speaker 2: throughout their history.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the other ones are, and I'm just
Speaker 2: saying they seem to brag about it. And I'm not
Speaker 2: even talking about this time Tuesday Weld we're a witch's
Speaker 2: hat to an interview to the fact, Yeah, her a
Speaker 2: witch in the seventies.
Speaker 1: You know where she did that interview? It was the
Speaker 1: Chateau Marmont in California, where, like I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 1: where John Belu she died and like Anton Levey used
Speaker 1: to hang out and it's supposedly haunted by all the
Speaker 1: ghosts of all the dead celebrities. Passed through that she
Speaker 1: did that interview there, and I'm pretty sure she's she's
Speaker 1: made fun in the public eye of like I'm a
Speaker 1: witch and I have a high pedigree from this this
Speaker 1: elite family. What you gonna do about it? Like she's
Speaker 1: said stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much, She's got a lot of connections
Speaker 2: to the Hotel Marmont there, so well, Jack's Jack's one
Speaker 2: of his best friends in life. Mister Bob Cocaine Evans
Speaker 2: his producer buddy for the film Godfather. Al Ruddy is
Speaker 2: Al Ruddy's wife owned that's Chateau Marmont Hotel mm HM
Speaker 2: back in the sixties and early seventies.
Speaker 1: It's just so crazy because it's like I said, she's
Speaker 1: she's like the Babylon girl, but she's not because she's
Speaker 1: everywhere and nowhere and like a ghost. She's like a
Speaker 1: ghost in Hollywood, like she pops up everywhere. Everyone knows her.
Speaker 2: But she's not a household like Maryland, right, She's not
Speaker 2: a house or even Jane Mansfield exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes, So getting kind of more into her now that
Speaker 1: we know about like her family and shit. She was
Speaker 1: born on August twenty seventh, nineteen forty three, and it's
Speaker 1: based on the research I've done. Like in these elite cults,
Speaker 1: people like Tuesday are chosen at a very early age
Speaker 1: to carry out whatever it is that they have for them,
Speaker 1: and I do think that she was chosen relatively. I
Speaker 1: think seven, as you said earlier, is probably when they
Speaker 1: started noticing, because they said that she had abundant psychic
Speaker 1: and clairvoyant abilities from a very young age. And this
Speaker 1: was something that they covet obviously, especially when you come
Speaker 1: from a family, an elite family, and got clairvoyant and
Speaker 1: psychic abilities. So she's like a nineteen sixties Laurel Canyon
Speaker 1: era gal, you know. And she was in the movies,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't like Maryland's status famous, which I'll explain
Speaker 1: why later on. But she's like your typical archetype of
Speaker 1: the Babylon like blonde hair, blue eyed, sex kitten. This
Speaker 1: is what the perfect woman should look like kind.
Speaker 2: Of thing, oh for sure. And I think that was
Speaker 2: her role though, is what all you're describing. This is
Speaker 2: all very well organized because this is one of her
Speaker 2: first major acting She was in other things starting very young.
Speaker 2: I think her first acting role was Ege seven. I
Speaker 2: think she was sixteen here in this TV show called
Speaker 2: The Familiar with this one Julia the Many Loves of
Speaker 2: Dobie Gillis.
Speaker 1: I came across that one. Yeah, I've never watched it, obviously.
Speaker 2: But oh strangely enough I watched as long before I
Speaker 2: really understood and knew who Tuesday World was really was.
Speaker 2: It was a popular show in my household growing up.
Speaker 1: Well I actually, so you know, like when somebody's getting started,
Speaker 1: they'll be in like some shit stuff before they like
Speaker 1: really hit the big time and like get like a
Speaker 1: right all right, not Tuesday So no, no, And this
Speaker 1: show shows it right here.
Speaker 2: So the synopsis of the show is the end of
Speaker 2: the innocence of the nineteen fifties before the oncoming nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties revolution that.
Speaker 1: Was played a huge part of in real life role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's that's what this show that was the
Speaker 2: show like that that was kind of the start of
Speaker 2: her revolution of the sixties, right where she's kind of
Speaker 2: this puppet master the six It starts in nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: nine when she's sixteen, what's sixteen years old? And this
Speaker 2: TV show that the TV shows about the end of
Speaker 2: the fifties and the you know, this new era of
Speaker 2: get out with the beat next and in with these
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of this new hippie kind of scene.
Speaker 1: Almost she played a huge role in the inspiration behind
Speaker 1: a lot of music and culture too. But like I have, so,
Speaker 1: let's say she she's developing these psychic abilities around like
Speaker 1: age seven, and then she began a modeling career at
Speaker 1: age twelve, and she landed her film debut at age
Speaker 1: twelve in a freaking Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So it's like she skipped all of the like, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta try to get roles and stuff. It was
Speaker 1: like born psychic twelve years old, she's a model, and
Speaker 1: she's in an Alfred Hitchcock movie and literally nobody knows
Speaker 1: about her. It's like she didn't even have to try.
Speaker 1: They just like threw her in and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock, here you go, bitch, Like how many people
Speaker 1: would have died to be in an Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Speaker 1: You know, he was huge back then.
Speaker 2: And this is actually you think it's just because of
Speaker 2: her family, right, her family's running Hollywood. You can answer, oh,
Speaker 2: one hundred and.
Speaker 1: A lesser known thing about her as well is she
Speaker 1: was Stanley Kubrick's first pick for Lolita, right wow, right,
Speaker 1: you know the infamous pedophile movie.
Speaker 2: So when I say her family, I mean like the
Speaker 2: cold family, right, like the family of which the Welds
Speaker 2: are obviously a big part of and included in, but
Speaker 2: they're not the only family in there, right.
Speaker 1: I love this picture of her in Elvis because you know,
Speaker 1: I brought it up before. I was like, oh, did
Speaker 1: Elvis know Tuesday Weld or do you know that Elvis
Speaker 1: knew Tuesday Weld? And it's like, oh, no, I don't
Speaker 1: even know who that is. Well, he sure got a
Speaker 1: tender love and care for her right there.
Speaker 2: Yea, I have about this picture.
Speaker 1: Where he was sneaking a little smooch from Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Who is that? That's mister Steve McQueen. He's part of
Speaker 2: the family, oh one hundred.
Speaker 1: He's got a nice little hug for her too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's as a cousin of mine. I'm McQueen, he
Speaker 2: really yeah, yeah, My second great grandmother is a McQueen,
Speaker 2: so I think he's somewhere in my fifth cousin. Anyway,
Speaker 2: this is nineteen sixty nine, right, because when this photo
Speaker 2: was taken, and so yeah, he steals Bob Evans old
Speaker 2: cocaine Bob Evans wife. The next year, Steven Queen does
Speaker 2: when I say steal, I think all these people are
Speaker 2: involved in the sex calt right, So like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he runs he runs off with cocaine Bob's wife.
Speaker 2: She's married to George propart at this time. I believe
Speaker 2: that's when they're married. Is around the same time.
Speaker 1: Well and during the time. Oh, I don't know how
Speaker 1: old she was.
Speaker 2: No, No, the A Team he was the he was
Speaker 2: the star of the television show.
Speaker 4: Now Team No.
Speaker 1: I thought you said she.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carnival Hannibal Smith. I'm too big of an eighteen fan,
Speaker 2: I guess. But anyone in the eighties, you know, remembers
Speaker 2: this dude from that they don't remember from breakfast at Tiffany's,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: No, Well, it seems like to me everybody had a
Speaker 1: bit of a crush on her. I think Elvis was
Speaker 1: still married to Priscilla when he was in a romantic
Speaker 1: relationship with Tuesday, So that was all kind of like
Speaker 1: hush hudh and like swept under the rug because those
Speaker 1: two were in a movie together, which I will get
Speaker 1: to in a minute. But JJ, have you heard of
Speaker 1: a movie she was in called Lord Love a Duck.
Speaker 2: I was gonna bring that movie up to sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's exactly like that Adobie Gillis show. It's a it's
Speaker 2: spawning this revolution that she's in charge of it, and
Speaker 2: we'll kind of bragging about it more or less.
Speaker 1: But right, so, like it's basically like this demon that
Speaker 1: grants you wishes, right, and she just wants fame and
Speaker 1: she wants whatever.
Speaker 2: But anyways, but she's like a cold hypriestess in that
Speaker 2: right Barbara Ann Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she she plays Barbara and nicknamed Barbie.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But they see allegedly sanging on the Beach Boys
Speaker 2: song Barbara Ann as a tribute to this movie that
Speaker 2: came out at the same time as this movie.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: So she's talking about the process.
Speaker 1: The Beach Boys were were infatuated with her, and that's
Speaker 1: where Barbara Ann came from, was this Lord Love a
Speaker 1: Duck because they were they were infatuated with Tuesday And
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's signaling again like she's the Barbie right.
Speaker 1: And I kind of talked to Nick before about like
Speaker 1: where the Barbie origins came from. And they're pretty.
Speaker 2: Sister, you know, you're saying, like the Barbie doll is
Speaker 2: like some sort of like idol of some regard, is right.
Speaker 1: The very first, the very first Barbie doll that ever
Speaker 1: came out was was a sex toyikes.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was definitely. It was definitely sold sexually, yes.
Speaker 1: And it had nipples and it had a vagina, and
Speaker 1: all they did literally to market it to children was
Speaker 1: removed the nipples in the vagina. It was the same dress,
Speaker 1: it was the same face, it was the same hair,
Speaker 1: it was everything was the same. And when the guy
Speaker 1: took this sex doll just removed the anatomy parts. He
Speaker 1: took it to like a kid's convention thing to sell it,
Speaker 1: and parents were like, what are you doing with it?
Speaker 1: Like they were creeped out by it. But now it's
Speaker 1: like that's the staple. You know, it's like a Barbie
Speaker 1: doll that's sexualizing for children basically for sure, because before
Speaker 1: the Barbie, little girls would play with babies and like
Speaker 1: they were learning how to become a mother, you know who? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they introduced the kin doll, and it's like
Speaker 1: use your imagination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a new evolution. I mean, I like
Speaker 2: how you're describing this, because that's how I look at
Speaker 2: the new evolution of this stuff, the American something American
Speaker 2: dolls or American girls or something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, American girl dolls.
Speaker 2: It's that's that's Barbie, even to the next level of
Speaker 2: evolution of this kind of psyoptom floor you're describing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but so I think it's interesting that she's
Speaker 1: like Barbara Ann in this movie and the Beach Boys
Speaker 1: write this song. She's Barbie. She's blonde hair, she's blue eyes,
Speaker 1: she's got like the perfect body, literally everything. She is
Speaker 1: the epitome of.
Speaker 2: Just supposedly stings on that too, as shows she's allegedly
Speaker 2: she's a backup singer in the song Barbara Ann by
Speaker 2: the Beach Boys. Again, as you point out, their obsession
Speaker 2: with her makes sense. Their their music producers, mister Phil Spector,
Speaker 2: the process guy, you know, the wall of sound guy,
Speaker 2: you know, the wrecking crew guy. Oh there, and then
Speaker 2: you know, so the beach wasn't surrounded by that. You know,
Speaker 2: you got you got what's his name, Brian Wilson, you know,
Speaker 2: is the financier of Charles Manson and family. Why would
Speaker 2: argue he's just helping finance the process at that rate,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you know Dennis Wilson, He's got to be Dennis Wilson.
Speaker 2: My apologies.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say he's the one that had
Speaker 1: a big heart on for Manson, had him living in
Speaker 1: his house and ship.
Speaker 2: Right, and they're all friends with I always missed this
Speaker 2: dude's name up. He's a music producer. He wrote the
Speaker 2: song Cocomo with the Wilson Boys, you know, for the
Speaker 2: Scientology Tom Cruise classic film in the eighties. Cocktail's the
Speaker 2: song written for that. He's he was, He was Charlie's
Speaker 2: a cell mate at Terminal Island.
Speaker 1: Phil, I don't know. That's a very familiar.
Speaker 2: Music producer friend of the Beach Boys. Obviously did did
Speaker 2: produce some Beach Boys stuff along with writing with the
Speaker 2: Beach Boys and Cocomo. Yeah, I might have got Terry
Speaker 2: Melcher mashed up with Phil Coffin, but they're both in
Speaker 2: the same mix with the Beach Boys, right, these people
Speaker 2: around Manson.
Speaker 1: The guy, Yeah, I was gonna say. Phil Kaufman is
Speaker 1: definitely mentioned in uh Dave McGowan's work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I first learned about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I know about him at least.
Speaker 2: And he was everywhere in the music scene. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he served. He was there in Terminal Island there with Chuck.
Speaker 1: That's so wild, dude. You know something else about her?
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm not mistaken, she was like fifteen
Speaker 1: in Lord Love a Duck.
Speaker 2: And she sounds about right so old way. She was
Speaker 2: born in what forty three? Uh huh, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: she was probably like twenty then maybe, oh, she was
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty probably twenty two.
Speaker 1: So this must be a quote from a different movie,
Speaker 1: because I said, I have in my notes one of
Speaker 1: the male actors she worked with on one of these movies.
Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't this one. A quote from him
Speaker 1: was Tuesday is fifteen going on twenty seven. He said that,
Speaker 1: So it was like, I don't know, they all had
Speaker 1: like an infatuation with her even when she was young.
Speaker 1: Yeng like she started when she was twelve, got the
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock movie. Then she's with Elvis, she's with Jack Nicholson,
Speaker 1: she's obviously fifteen, still doing stuff, and they're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Tuesday she's fifteen going on twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, who said that? Do you have a source? Floma
Speaker 2: just said danny K.
Speaker 1: Always said did you find it?
Speaker 2: That's why when I searched the quote, that's what it
Speaker 2: came up with, Danny K. But I don't know this
Speaker 2: actor though. Do you know him?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: The article that I pulled it from, said a co
Speaker 1: A co male actor she worked with, referred to her
Speaker 1: as quote, Tuesday is fifteen going on twenty seven.
Speaker 2: It's this dude, Danny. I don't know this guy's work,
Speaker 2: but he was much older dude than Tuesday. But he's
Speaker 2: buried in Westchester, KY of New York. There, Nick, Well,
Speaker 2: Hella definitely look west Chester specifically, right, So is he like.
Speaker 1: A big wig guy or I don't know?
Speaker 2: Says He says he was an actor, comedian, singer, and dancer.
Speaker 1: She also knew Bing Crosby too.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe they were all in White Christmas together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I didn't know her to be in White Christmas?
Speaker 3: Is she in that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I know that's a being Crosby Danny K,
Speaker 2: and I recognized That's the only thing I recognized that
Speaker 2: Danny K from.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it is with Bing Crosbie. I mean she
Speaker 1: knows everybody, dude, literally she does, doesn't she Because this
Speaker 1: dude is a way older actor than she is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and apparently he was fantasizing about her being twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, she was sixteen and that she was sixteen.
Speaker 2: They did a film called Five Pennies Together in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty nine, so she was five right around the same
Speaker 2: time she did that Dobie Guilli stuff she was.
Speaker 1: Later on after this stuff, she was in some thing
Speaker 1: called seventy seven Sunset Strip, which also stood out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was a show called seventy seven Sunset
Speaker 1: Strip and it was another like weird Laurel Canyony weirdness.
Speaker 1: But you know seventy seven, You're right, seventy seven like
Speaker 1: the OZ, the Magician's number whatever, and maybe seventy seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well sevens and stuff. Yeah, I do you find
Speaker 4: that interesting?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the meetings are, man, it seems creepy that they would
Speaker 2: name it that, right whatever, The seven seven's got to
Speaker 2: mean something.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's sunset strip, right, like where all the
Speaker 1: Laurel canyons. Shit's going down and it's.
Speaker 2: Not yet there, right, not yet because this is from
Speaker 2: fifty eight to sixty four pop off until sixty four.
Speaker 4: Right, was it?
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit earlier than that.
Speaker 1: I could no, I believe.
Speaker 2: I believe the birds first album was maybe late sixty
Speaker 2: three with all that Dylan music. This is beat up
Speaker 2: police is the uh is the Proto Manson guy in
Speaker 2: Laurel Kenyon? I know. I think that's around sixty three
Speaker 2: or sixty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so was Sunset Strip this seventy seven Sunset Strip?
Speaker 1: Was that Veto's time?
Speaker 2: He would have been hanging out in that at the
Speaker 2: time yet, because.
Speaker 1: He was like the granddaddy of the whole movement, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is a series and her episode was called
Speaker 1: Secret Island or something like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, but she so after being really creepy show, Julie,
Speaker 2: I've never paid attention to this. I have an ex
Speaker 2: active and former WW two WW two World War two
Speaker 2: Office of Strategic Service is secret agent, right, That's that's
Speaker 2: the main character, is an OSS guy.
Speaker 1: This is where I mentioned this stuff because after she's
Speaker 1: in this show, she's in a movie with Dick Clark.
Speaker 1: That's called sex Kittens go to College.
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with that.
Speaker 1: She went from seventy seven Sunset strip to sex Kittens
Speaker 1: go to College. It's like they pointed out.
Speaker 2: There for you, you know, quite a career trajectory, right.
Speaker 1: Sex kittens go to college?
Speaker 3: Like what?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think we skipped over this when chronologically she
Speaker 2: was in uh oh yeah, Rock with a convicted child
Speaker 2: child sex offender Chuck Berry.
Speaker 1: Damn oh yes, Chuck Berry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he was convicted yet. He was
Speaker 2: getting popped right around this time though, for the violations
Speaker 2: of the main act.
Speaker 1: Well was it before or after this Wild in the
Speaker 1: Country with Elvis came out and that's when they developed
Speaker 1: their little romance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know because I'm trying to remember when
Speaker 2: Chuckburry because the music, the music record studio company folks
Speaker 2: literally brokeer Chuck Berry's release from prison, like they want
Speaker 2: the Feds want to keep him in there for like
Speaker 2: a long time. They're like, look, this dude's going to
Speaker 2: make us a lot of money. You know, we got
Speaker 2: to get him out of there, you know. So he
Speaker 2: didn't give what he did about soon and a half.
Speaker 2: I think he was out by nineteen sixty, but it
Speaker 2: was right around this time he was with Tuesday. Well
Speaker 2: that is when he got popped. When he was when
Speaker 2: he was committing violations of the Man Act. So child
Speaker 2: sex trafficking wasn't really technically illegal in many states where
Speaker 2: there was a federal law at the time called the
Speaker 2: Man Act, which was taking an underage, you know, minor
Speaker 2: across state lines for the purposes of sexual activity. And
Speaker 2: that's what Chuck Barry was doing. That's doing, and that's
Speaker 2: what he was doing a lot of it. He later
Speaker 2: would write a number one single called My Dingling and
Speaker 2: tour American having people sing along with a convicted child
Speaker 2: sex offender. You know, it's kind of dark. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: Tuesday's friends. That's Tuesday's friends.
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say too. In that Elvis movie,
Speaker 1: she was the Wild in the Country. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was before or after this, she played an
Speaker 1: incest victim. Oh man with Elvis. H with Elvis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was sixty one, I think h think that
Speaker 2: was sixty one. So yeah. The Sex Kittens Go to
Speaker 2: College was nineteen sixty with Dick Clark. Yeah, the Reva
Speaker 2: like what goes on right? Like you got Brookshields as
Speaker 2: an eleven year old what in like nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 2: you know, naked in a film as a child prostitute.
Speaker 2: You got other you know, obviously Tuesdays of Age here, right,
Speaker 2: Well she's barely of age. She's probably seventeen actually in
Speaker 2: sixteen when she filmed this, right when I was young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she'sty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little questionable, right, having having a child in
Speaker 2: a film called sex Kittens. Got to call.
Speaker 1: College and it's like, look at the cover. It's it's
Speaker 1: your archetypes, right, you got Tuesdays, the blonde with blue eyes,
Speaker 1: and you got a redhead with a green shirt on,
Speaker 1: and then you have the brunette with like this red
Speaker 1: polka dot thing. It's it's the Neapolitan sex kitten for you,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So that's what your Marilyn Monroe on top?
Speaker 1: Oh isn't that two day on top?
Speaker 2: I thought this was Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Which one?
Speaker 2: The redheaded middle one? The middle one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh, I can barely see it because it's so small,
Speaker 1: But I just assumed it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not Marilyn Monroe. But I mean, are they trying
Speaker 2: to aim for Marilyn Monroe? Bit it's Mami von Dorian.
Speaker 1: Ooh, another blonde hair, blue eyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, she's one of the three m's. Okay, along
Speaker 2: with Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 2: this lady.
Speaker 1: I don't know her either, Mammy Maymi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mamie Van Dorton.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you looked into her, she falls right
Speaker 1: in the same category with all the other archetypes.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean you got Mansfield and uh and uh
Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe, who, like Tuesday Welder dedicated to the Satanic Bible, right, yes, but.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Maryland were up for the same parts very often,
Speaker 1: and they would go with Maryland as opposed to Tuesday.
Speaker 1: And it's like, why is that because Marylyn is lacking
Speaker 1: the pedigree that Tuesday has And why did Tuesday never
Speaker 1: blow up and become like a megastar the way that
Speaker 1: these women did. And this is how I would explain it.
Speaker 1: And JJ, you can agree or disagree, but it's like
Speaker 1: they use women like Jane Mansfield and Marilyn Monroe, and
Speaker 1: it's like they get them and they use them up
Speaker 1: and they burn them out and then they throw them away.
Speaker 1: They like die horribly at young ages, and it's like
Speaker 1: they're all they're literally burnt out by the end of
Speaker 1: their career in their early twenties and thirties, whereas Tuesday
Speaker 1: is almost like she's been protected and she lives still
Speaker 1: to this day a ridiculously bizarre, charmed life.
Speaker 2: And is that I mean, I agree with you there,
Speaker 2: Julia on how they how they burn them ounta and
Speaker 2: is it's a very intentional thing. I think as well.
Speaker 2: But she but to be honest with me, here's her
Speaker 2: life that all that charmed. She married Dudley Moore, She
Speaker 2: had a child with Dudley Moore, that little strange, little
Speaker 2: hobbit looking fellow. You know what I'm talking about, Martha. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: when I I watch charnfe Be, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I watched He's gotta be a wizard, right. I've always
Speaker 2: written it off like that, dude's gotta be a wizard. Right.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's right, That's what I'm saying, dude, Like,
Speaker 2: how what's going on there?
Speaker 1: I mean, she when she's she's been interviewed and I've
Speaker 1: watched them and she kind of like it was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna be a stay at home mom.
Speaker 1: And just drink wine all day and you know, sit
Speaker 1: around and basically she's just living the life of luxury.
Speaker 1: I don't know for her husband's a weirdo or not,
Speaker 1: but she she got a lot better outcome than Jane
Speaker 1: Mansfield and Maryland, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2: But I guess that's that's a good comparison. Although though
Speaker 2: I think Homegirl won the won the competition, they're miss
Speaker 2: h what was her name, Donna von Dene or whatever,
Speaker 2: And what was this lady's name again? Maybe maybe yeah,
Speaker 2: Maymie von Dene or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. I feel like, oh, well, maybe
Speaker 1: she's maybe she's another day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's like these other actresses are like expendable. They're
Speaker 1: like a dime a dozen. You can create many Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe's and they've done it throughout time with like Madonna
Speaker 1: and Britney Spears and Kasha and it's like Lady Gaga,
Speaker 1: you can create as many as you want of this
Speaker 1: archetype of the blonde, blue eyed you know, priestess of
Speaker 1: like the upper echelon of women, because they've done it
Speaker 1: multiple times, like I said, throughout time. But why is
Speaker 1: Tuesday protected? Like why is she set apart, and I
Speaker 1: think these other women are like they want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the club, right, they don't have the genetics, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like the club that they're trying to be
Speaker 1: a part of is Tuesdays Club.
Speaker 2: Like it's like when you join the mafia or whatever,
Speaker 2: you're going to get in so hard unless you're part
Speaker 2: of the actual family, right, So like you know, so
Speaker 2: I kind of view these side characters right, like they're
Speaker 2: not quite part of the family, but yeah, they're they're
Speaker 2: like they're a lower echelon of the system.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're initiates into something that Tuesday's family built exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why she doesn't get burnt out and suicided or
Speaker 1: drug overdosed or car accident or like used up and
Speaker 1: burnt out. She's like, I'll get into it in a second.
Speaker 1: But it's like she's.
Speaker 2: Little man though, right, we still see it's inconclusive.
Speaker 1: Let me see him. I just want to see you.
Speaker 2: Nick's gotta put Nick put a picture of the on
Speaker 2: this little villa.
Speaker 1: Oh god, he's hideous, right.
Speaker 4: No, if you're watch him in like author, he'd be
Speaker 4: like which I'm sure is really his personality, but you
Speaker 4: would be like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: He must he must be a bloodliner, right, got a
Speaker 1: lot of money, he has to be. He has to
Speaker 1: be because it's like, you don't get that high a
Speaker 1: pedigree of a Tuesday Weld unless you're a bloodliner, because
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 2: I think we thought that right. It's something weird, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not like somebody with Tuesday Weld whoesdated
Speaker 1: Elvis is gonna end up marrying this guy in pro
Speaker 1: creating unless he's a bloodliner. She probably has a boyfriend
Speaker 1: who's side.
Speaker 2: She was married to George for part. Have you seen
Speaker 2: the a teen carnival Hannibal Smith. I mean she went
Speaker 2: from Hannibal Smith to this guy.
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why it's got to be on purpose,
Speaker 1: because whatever genetics have together is going to make the
Speaker 1: next you know, Tuesday.
Speaker 4: That makes as much sense as Jackson wedding.
Speaker 1: But you know, think of the obsession that she had
Speaker 1: around her for her to end up with this guy,
Speaker 1: right because the Beatles sang about her, the Stones sang
Speaker 1: about her. That Beach Boys song is about her. She
Speaker 1: literally could have picked anybody she wanted. Elvis had a
Speaker 1: big crush on her, and she is said to be
Speaker 1: part of the influence behind the changes of the Beatles
Speaker 1: being like Bubblegummy to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
Speaker 1: They say, like Tuesday somehow played a role in that transition.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, you'll see that in that Lord Love a
Speaker 2: Duck movie right in the very beginning of it, Roddy McDowell,
Speaker 2: the greaser guys getting beat up by the hippie guy
Speaker 2: right on the beach, and Tuesday, well, it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, cheering it on there. So she's she has
Speaker 2: heard cheering on this movement of revolution of the sixties
Speaker 2: where they're inserting this this hippie dum and you know,
Speaker 2: the Laurel Canyon scene. They're they're going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: taking a little Cannes scene and inserting it across America, right,
Speaker 2: because that really started there. And you know when why
Speaker 2: folks think that that the you know, sixties rock and
Speaker 2: roll started at the Monterey Music Festivals, because it's the
Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon folks all went up to the Monorary Music
Speaker 2: Festival as they're launching you know, they're launching it for
Speaker 2: marketing purposes, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the song that the Stones wrote about her, Ruby
Speaker 1: Tuesday that everybody knows, and they probably thought that it
Speaker 1: was the day of the week or something, right, Ruby Tuesday.
Speaker 1: But it actually inspired me to look into a little
Speaker 1: bit further why they would have used that terminology. Have
Speaker 1: you ever read Fritz Springmeyer, you guys either one.
Speaker 2: Heard of thirteen blood Lines of the Illuminati.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. I think he also has another
Speaker 1: one where he so in Fritz Springtire's work, he he
Speaker 1: talks about there's levels and there's like a rank system
Speaker 1: in the darker cult. I don't know if it's specifically
Speaker 1: for SRA victims, but definitely for like programmed multiples, right,
Speaker 1: And there's like this rank system, and they're all different
Speaker 1: types of gemstones. And so the diamond is like the
Speaker 1: presidential model whore, and the emerald is like psychic stuff.
Speaker 1: They're used for rituals. And then there's the ruby, which
Speaker 1: is related to the bloodline, which is like upper echelon.
Speaker 1: They're also used in rituals, but they're more like the
Speaker 1: high priestess level. And then there are pearls, which are
Speaker 1: like mind files. And so so if you look at
Speaker 1: these program multiples, most of the time they're wrapping their gymstone,
Speaker 1: so like Marilyn is this diamond level. Diamonds are girl's
Speaker 1: best friend, Diamonds are forever. She pushed diamonds in the sixties.
Speaker 1: And then if you look there's Ruby Usday with the
Speaker 1: royal blood and if you really dive into John Beney
Speaker 1: Ramsey and how much they push the emerald symbology with her,
Speaker 1: and that's supposed to be like psychics that are used
Speaker 1: for rituals in this rank system. But there's this one
Speaker 1: picture that everybody always posts of John Benet where she's
Speaker 1: got her pinky finger up and she's wearing an emerald ring,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like, why so specifically that picture of
Speaker 1: John Beney like this wearing an emerald ring on her
Speaker 1: pinky And if you really look into these ranking systems,
Speaker 1: they're all gemstones and these women will rep like these
Speaker 1: the pearls, the rubies, diamonds, emeralds, whatever their ranking is.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you guys feel about that,
Speaker 1: but I think that could be what the Ruby Tuesday
Speaker 1: is about.
Speaker 2: So you're saying, like a ranking of her ranking within
Speaker 2: the system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's the ruby is like one of the
Speaker 1: most precious of the gymstones and the ruby is red
Speaker 1: for the blood. It's like the Royal blood, the High
Speaker 1: Priestess Ruby Tuesday. Because you would think it would be
Speaker 1: a diamond, right, but look what happened to Maryland. Diamonds
Speaker 1: are literally worthless in the end. Rubies are way more precious.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, if you look, you'll see
Speaker 1: these weird gymstones pop up with a lot of these libs.
Speaker 1: And if it's true that she's like royal blood, which
Speaker 1: she is, and she's got the pedigree, it's very reminiscent
Speaker 1: to me of David Crosby, whose family all goes all
Speaker 1: the way back to the founding fathers and shit, and
Speaker 1: I feel like he's always been protected. I mean there's
Speaker 1: been multiple times he should have been arrested and thrown
Speaker 1: into prison and got himself into all kinds of a mess,
Speaker 1: and he just goes gets off with it.
Speaker 2: It sounds a I like the rest of the processor,
Speaker 2: doesn't it Like Bob Cocaine Evans and John Fellows from
Speaker 2: the Mamas and the Papas, these people skirting off on
Speaker 2: getting drug trafficking charges.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like there is if you go back in
Speaker 1: the Crosby, Oh Ruby Slippers, I love that they mentioned
Speaker 1: that because it's the the movie The Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: I've covered it before. It's very occulted, and it's got
Speaker 1: so many mentions to magic in there. You've got the
Speaker 1: ruby slippers for Dorothy.
Speaker 4: Oh one thing I do, Crosby and real quick too.
Speaker 4: About the ruby. I don't know if this has anything
Speaker 4: to do with it, but I could see it being
Speaker 4: almost a symbol of alchemy. Most of the time. People
Speaker 4: probably don't know this, and I heard this from somebody else,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't like, you know, I figured this out
Speaker 4: on my own. Most rubies, you would find that it
Speaker 4: would look like a stone until you apply heat to it,
Speaker 4: and then it turns into what you would normally see
Speaker 4: is the red. So you even do actually have to
Speaker 4: apply heat to this thing to get it to turn
Speaker 4: into the ruby. So it's kind of out chemical in
Speaker 4: the cell.
Speaker 1: Well, they say that because Tuesday started developing psychic abilities
Speaker 1: when she was really young, and clairvoyant abilities, that they
Speaker 1: almost had to like not blood her in, but they
Speaker 1: had to traumatize her in a way that would amplify
Speaker 1: I guess, her abilities. So that also goes along with
Speaker 1: the ruby. It's like they had a heater up a
Speaker 1: little bit to turn her into what she became, and
Speaker 1: then they protected her her entire life. You know, very
Speaker 1: reminiscent to me of David Crosby, because he also like
Speaker 1: he's got like founding all their signers of the Declaration
Speaker 1: of Independence, you know, civil War generals. I mean, his
Speaker 1: family tree goes all the fucking way back.
Speaker 2: Oh, they're the New York chapter of the Society. He's
Speaker 2: a he's a Van Cortland shooler, I believe, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know that song that the li'le sang
Speaker 1: that song, and it's like Tuesdays on the Phone to me,
Speaker 1: they say in this song. Yes, they say Tuesdays on
Speaker 1: the phone to me. If you go back and you
Speaker 1: find out what that story is, Tuesday was calling them
Speaker 1: from David Crosby's house. Oh so it's like when you
Speaker 1: look at these guys, it's like, of course they hang out.
Speaker 1: Of course they they're besties, you know, right, right, Tuesdays
Speaker 1: over at David Crosby's house, just casually calling the Beatles,
Speaker 1: and they feel like it's so significant they got to
Speaker 1: put it in a song.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. There's lots of other songs too. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean just besides the Beatles in the in the
Speaker 2: you know, in the stones. But what do you think,
Speaker 2: So what do you think this wasn't her as far
Speaker 2: as you know, protecting or staying out of the limelight,
Speaker 2: Like do you think that was her decision? Like she
Speaker 2: She's quoted in seventy one in the New York Times
Speaker 2: saying like, for example, she didn't take the role for
Speaker 2: Rosemary's Baby, right, she declined the role. So do you
Speaker 2: think that's her decline the role? Do you think there's
Speaker 2: somebody like West bring in her ear like you should
Speaker 2: not be doing, you know, you do not need to
Speaker 2: go star in cocaine, Bob Evans, Roan Planski's processed Church
Speaker 2: Satan shit you know, shit storm here. Do you think
Speaker 2: someone told her that or she's making that on her
Speaker 2: own call?
Speaker 1: I don't well, I don't think she's making any of
Speaker 1: her own decisions because she's been like kind of guided
Speaker 1: since she was aged twelve with Alfred Hitchcock and stuff.
Speaker 1: But right, right, this is what I'll say, because the
Speaker 1: dedication in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible is like everyone would
Speaker 1: know who that is, who Tuesday is if they saw that, right,
Speaker 1: because he also mentions Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield. But
Speaker 1: there is some other quotes for Anton Levey where he
Speaker 1: says he refers to her looks several times and how
Speaker 1: beautiful she is. He also refers to her witchery as
Speaker 1: he says, and he basically describes her as like the
Speaker 1: heart of the ocean jewel, like she's so special and
Speaker 1: she's so amazing and elite if you will. But he
Speaker 1: also alluded to the fact that Tuesday will never be
Speaker 1: in the spotlight because she's serving a greater purpose as heroes.
Speaker 2: That's from popular witchcraft, straight from the witch's mouth, an
Speaker 2: interview with High Priest Anton Lavay. You found it nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy two, and this is a says two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: That's a reprint.
Speaker 1: There you go right there. He literally says, you know,
Speaker 1: Tuesday will never be big, she will never be in
Speaker 1: the spotlight because she's so smart and she's serving this
Speaker 1: greater purpose. And the greater purpose has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with how famous she is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in comparison to Mansfield and Monroe, he says, well,
Speaker 2: Tuesday's part of the rituals, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Tuesdays like the upper echelon where like all
Speaker 1: these other bitches are like fodder for the Candon, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's just, you know, throw another Jane Mansfield out there,
Speaker 1: let's get Marilyn Monroe fucked up. And you know it's
Speaker 1: just I don't know. She this this whole thing about
Speaker 1: her being involved in rituals and like obviously the Anton
Speaker 1: LaVey stuff, and she never did make it big, but
Speaker 1: yet she knows everyone and is traveling with the circles.
Speaker 2: And Bob Hope, Steve McQueen, Elvis Presley, James Kahn, you know,
Speaker 2: Al Pacino, a lot of crowd of cocaine Bob's friends,
Speaker 2: a lot of cocaine Bob's friends, Robert de Niro, you
Speaker 2: know these are all her co stars and films, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess she's known to show up so
Speaker 1: like some of these Hollywood events with like two giant
Speaker 1: white wolves with her.
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, oh Tuesdays here and she's got these
Speaker 1: two big giant white wolves at both of her sides,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, here comes the priestess, here comes
Speaker 1: the Biggie, the big Witch, and everybody like Revere's her.
Speaker 1: Oh Tuesday with the White Wolves and shit, you know,
Speaker 1: she's she's a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's like I said before, she
Speaker 1: knows everyone. She was in Hollywood for a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not to the point where she got burnt out
Speaker 1: and thrown away like some of the bigger ones. She's
Speaker 1: definitely part of the counterculture scene. She's got songs written
Speaker 1: about her. She knows the Beatles, the Stones. Imagine, like,
Speaker 1: how many people can you say that were even in
Speaker 1: the Laurel Canyon that could say, oh, the Beatles, the
Speaker 1: beat which Boys, the Stones, they all wrote songs about me,
Speaker 1: but nobody knows who I.
Speaker 2: Am exactly, exactly. Yeah, she's easily the most influential person
Speaker 2: in the entire scene music, movies, you know, the whole
Speaker 2: social aspect of it. And according to some folks. I
Speaker 2: so when I asked earlier, how you summer across Well,
Speaker 2: whenever I do find people that have interested themselves in
Speaker 2: the life of Tuesday Weld and I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: understand it. I asked that question because I came across
Speaker 2: it in two ways really, So my initial interest was
Speaker 2: I'd read the works of Adam go Rightley and his
Speaker 2: series that he printed years ago and did a couple
Speaker 2: of podcast interviews with a guy I want to sit
Speaker 2: around two thousand and nine. I think he wrote the
Speaker 2: series in two thousand and seven and NOI magazine or
Speaker 2: something like that. I think he's reprinted it in books
Speaker 2: since then, but that was the original source. He interviews
Speaker 2: a guy. Are you familiar with the guy I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Where the stories come from? This his source in this
Speaker 2: In this series, a fellow by the name of Escape
Speaker 2: me Jet Jeff Turner. Oh no, what's this Jeff Turner?
Speaker 2: I believe he's still alive. He's an extremely ausistic, severe
Speaker 2: autistic man who works in a soup kitchen. I believe
Speaker 2: in San Jose, California. He claims of known Tuesday Weld
Speaker 2: for a very long time, since he was a youngster.
Speaker 2: He claims Tuesday Weld got him involved with spying on
Speaker 2: one of her underlings that had decided to leave her
Speaker 2: guys and go take over what this man described as
Speaker 2: the processed Church of the Final Judgment. That lady's name
Speaker 2: was Christy McManus. This is all stuff that's been published.
Speaker 2: She's still alive. She's still love. She's running some occult
Speaker 2: stuff in Vegas. Last time I looked. So that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying when I say last time I looked, I
Speaker 2: looked at some of the details of this guy, and
Speaker 2: some of these details do check out. This Christy McManus
Speaker 2: is definitely involved in the occult. Whether or not she
Speaker 2: was Tuesday Well's underling, I couldn't tell you. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: this fella doesn't seem to be spending the yarns in
Speaker 2: large part of you ask me, there's some not willing
Speaker 2: to throw the baby out with the with the bathtub,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just because the guys.
Speaker 1: That's that's like oddly specific for it now to stay welled,
Speaker 1: like literally, why would ever?
Speaker 2: No one knows exactly, no one knows he is right.
Speaker 2: So this dude has this whole story go rightly. I
Speaker 2: believe his sense concluded after years later that he's he's
Speaker 2: he's kind of just moved away from this, this whole
Speaker 2: narrative and stuff. You don't think he has anybody my understanding,
Speaker 2: He no longer has any buying into it. But you
Speaker 2: know what a Discordian thing to do if you ask me,
Speaker 2: mm hmmm, Like the chief Discordian.
Speaker 1: Well and the fact that she's still alive and could
Speaker 1: dispute that if she found out about it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's ever commented, right, I don't think she
Speaker 2: ever comment.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe this dude was.
Speaker 2: Allegedly spying on this network of this Tuesday Wells underlings
Speaker 2: in the eighties out of San Jose and then would
Speaker 2: later describe these activities to Adam Go rightly relative to
Speaker 2: this Charles Manson cult. So, according to this dude, Tuesday
Speaker 2: Well was calling all the shots in the Manson murder
Speaker 2: like she was at that level of the situation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's his dude's statements, Jeff Turner statements. Now again,
Speaker 2: I will offer this disclaimer. Jeff Turner, they made him.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's nearly his looney tunes. I highly
Speaker 2: doubt he's nearly these looney tunes. These two filmmakers made
Speaker 2: him out to be. But I think it was intentional.
Speaker 2: So after he told these stories to go rightly and
Speaker 2: go rightly published him. Two film students tonight, two film
Speaker 2: students from NYU show up in San Jose, California. I
Speaker 2: think is how the story goes, and they want to
Speaker 2: film a documentary about the man. Will they turn that
Speaker 2: that documentary into Jeff Turner's obsession with the singer Tiffany
Speaker 2: and he was arrested. Yeah, he was arrested outside somewhere
Speaker 2: in the eighties with a samurai sword he was trying
Speaker 2: to give the Tiffany. So, you know, there is there's
Speaker 2: obviously a bit of a narrative there.
Speaker 1: Why Tiffany.
Speaker 2: He's got a whole separate story where Tiffany runs a
Speaker 2: different faction opposite Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Oh odd, stop it, stop it.
Speaker 2: Her Tiffany's assistant. And again, I'm not trying to discredit
Speaker 2: the guy's story because again, some of the stuff cond
Speaker 2: of checks out over the years. Right, this is something
Speaker 2: he said back in like two thousand and seven. Tiffany's
Speaker 2: assistant in that opposing faction to Tuesday World was Alyssa Milano.
Speaker 2: Think about how many occult films Alyssa Milana has done.
Speaker 2: Think about how much weird political stuff she's inserted herself
Speaker 2: into in recent years. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And all these people are still alive and could very
Speaker 1: easily like dispute these things, and they're not saying a peep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So these filmmakers turned Jeff Turner into complete looney
Speaker 2: to him, I putting him into a film about stalkers
Speaker 2: of Tiffany. Right well, he was clearly a stalker of Tiffany.
Speaker 2: He wasn't so much a fan of her music. He
Speaker 2: was part he was trying to he had some whole
Speaker 2: thing where he's obsessed with this whole he's familiar with
Speaker 2: this whole cult network, right, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 2: but they really framed it in I think a very
Speaker 2: weird light with these filmmakers and this this documentary. So
Speaker 2: this documentary was pretty big. So if anyone had any
Speaker 2: dispute about these subjects, like you're saying, there was there,
Speaker 2: they had opportunities to dispute.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, it's just funny you say this because somebody
Speaker 1: who came up before we started recording. I guess I'll
Speaker 1: just sut it out there since Tiffany came up.
Speaker 2: But I haven't heard that name in a while, righty, Right, Well, So.
Speaker 1: My brother is a musician and he has the same
Speaker 1: manager as Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails, and he
Speaker 1: has been able to meet Marilyn Manson and Tiffany and
Speaker 1: some of these bigger people and huh, yeah, he hung
Speaker 1: out with Tiffany, but no, so he's he's like asked
Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson like questions and he calls him Brian and
Speaker 1: ship and like apparently, uh, I don't know his last name.
Speaker 1: My brother always just says Brian, but he I guess
Speaker 1: Brian told him this story about like Hunter S. Thompson
Speaker 1: and Johnny Depp and like all this weird stuff. And
Speaker 1: he was wearing these sunglasses that belonged to Hunter S.
Speaker 1: Thompson and he took them off and he like gave
Speaker 1: him to my brother and just let him wear him
Speaker 1: around for a while or whatever. But anyways, he said
Speaker 1: that like Marilyn Manson and Tiffany and they all hang
Speaker 1: out together well, and like they all meet up at
Speaker 1: the same clubs and play together and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're describing to me is more details confirming
Speaker 2: the tales of Jeff Turner.
Speaker 1: That's why I brought it up, is because I had
Speaker 1: never heard Tiffany ever besides my brother say that those
Speaker 1: two were connected.
Speaker 4: Was cool with him too?
Speaker 2: With Thompson, No, with uh Marylyn, Yeah, oh I did
Speaker 2: not know that.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: Well, Hunter Thompson makes sense to me. He strikes me
Speaker 2: as an og processed guy like his connections with depth,
Speaker 2: their friendship over the years, and were Manson for that
Speaker 2: matter makes sense because Hunter S. Thompson was doing security
Speaker 2: at the Eslam Institute when they were constructing the place.
Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, he was living, he was living on
Speaker 2: the grounds. He chasing people off with his forty five.
Speaker 1: Dude, there's so much stuff about him. You ever heard
Speaker 1: that he like fucked his cat and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Not shocked, not shocked?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know the reason I bring it up
Speaker 1: to is because like Marilyn Manson, right, it's Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 1: and Charles Manson yeah together right, and those are two
Speaker 1: people we just got done talking about. And so he's
Speaker 1: traveling in these circles with I guess process people like Tiffany, right,
Speaker 1: and somehow Tuesday Weld is in there too, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: that blows my mind that she even came up. And
Speaker 1: I literally you have never told that story to anybody before.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: The electronic music stuff she was, that mall pop singer.
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if the style of music was even
Speaker 4: processed church people, because remember they were big into the ship.
Speaker 4: Doesn't always have to sound like industrial, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, if you're digital.
Speaker 2: That eighties kind of electrical rock, right or whatever, like
Speaker 2: you never didn't have a band or whatever. She just
Speaker 2: sang with some music, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm sure you know a Tiffany song, Nick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know for sure.
Speaker 4: I just can't think of it.
Speaker 1: I was going to say everybody, everybody knows, like I
Speaker 1: think we're alone now. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just trying to remember the actual music if
Speaker 4: it was like digital, like you know, it was electronic
Speaker 4: or was it like actual instrument It was like, I
Speaker 4: can't remember.
Speaker 1: Everything else that came out sound. Yeah, I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you even describe as like electronic kind of weird sounding? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I mean, damn, Tiffany that big Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, I can't believe.
Speaker 2: I can't believe. I can't believe you had a story
Speaker 2: about Tiffany relative to the process. That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well, I just had never heard anybody to make that
Speaker 1: connection before. And you know, sometimes I get stories from
Speaker 1: my brother and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how to put the pieces together.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Manson said stuff about Depp and
Speaker 1: he said stuff about Hunter s. Thompson and stuff. But
Speaker 1: then he mentioned this Tiffany and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what did she have one fucking song in the eighties
Speaker 1: that everybody knows?
Speaker 2: Like who is this?
Speaker 1: Who is this girl? Anyways? And oh my god, now
Speaker 1: it makes sense.
Speaker 2: So according to Jeff Turner, she's born. She's also of
Speaker 2: some some like Lebes I believe Lebanese heritage where she's
Speaker 2: like some sort of Soufi hyph priestess, much like Tuesday
Speaker 2: Well was born into Celtic hypriestess. The way he explained
Speaker 2: it is like she was born to a Sufi high
Speaker 2: priestess role.
Speaker 1: And what is this guy's name, Jeff Turner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be happy to introduce you in the folks
Speaker 2: of the interwebs to Jeff Turner.
Speaker 4: Here, somebody's asking about Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 2: Now, let me let me let me find uh, let
Speaker 2: me find the actual trailer trailor I mean you look
Speaker 2: up you can look up his videos. There's a whacky dude.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying some of his Uh, somebody asked about Blondie.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that Blondie.
Speaker 2: Debbie Gibson?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, wasn't that her name. Oh no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: google it.
Speaker 2: I Dobbie Gibson was a difference here?
Speaker 3: Right? Oh was it?
Speaker 1: What's what was Blondie's name?
Speaker 2: Why can't I find the actual trailer to this documentary?
Speaker 1: Oh, Blondie's real name was Angela nevermind? Fuck me? Oh no,
Speaker 1: Debbie Debbie Harry was born or Angela Tremble and then
Speaker 1: became Blondie. So her name is Debbie Harry.
Speaker 2: Look if you want to pop that on screen, all interditional,
Speaker 2: Jeff Turner, like, this guy looks great.
Speaker 5: Known each other most of her life, and known each
Speaker 5: other most different her life, and we are in love
Speaker 5: with each other. And she's a great singer.
Speaker 2: The difference between me. So that's the other stalker they
Speaker 2: put in the film this I don't Transfeste. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it was actually her maprodit I think it actually
Speaker 2: did have think if I recall correctly from watching this
Speaker 2: documentary years ago, they described it as having multiple sex
Speaker 2: organs of some sort, because at some point in time
Speaker 2: the autistic fella makes fun of fun of it for
Speaker 2: that or whatever, it becomes a thing.
Speaker 1: So can I just say, before you hit play again,
Speaker 1: that this person on screen if you can't see looks
Speaker 1: like Annie Lennox and Marilyn Manson mixed together.
Speaker 2: It's like the same you're on. They claim they were
Speaker 2: making the documentary about Turner, and they made it more
Speaker 2: about this character. That's why I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I mean they they've already done a great job making
Speaker 1: him look crazy.
Speaker 2: Right, they give them you. I don't really even introduce him.
Speaker 2: He's just like, oh, I love Tiffany, and then they
Speaker 2: show you this character and they don't truly love love
Speaker 2: the individual.
Speaker 5: As a sixteen year old, she was forced to get
Speaker 5: a restraining order against Jeff Dean Turner my bull name
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 4: Don't think you might need a sink some counseling.
Speaker 2: I might ask nothing like a stalker to laugh about
Speaker 2: the court.
Speaker 1: God, but I mean, don't autistic people. It's like they
Speaker 1: just say whatever they know, like they have no reason
Speaker 1: to like make stuff up.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. This dude's clearly got autism. You
Speaker 2: have to understand that what I'm saying, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: throw the baby out with the batsup because the stuff
Speaker 2: he says about Tuesday Weld and even some of the
Speaker 2: stuff he says about Tiffany checks out she is from
Speaker 2: this weird family.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, so this is this is kind of on
Speaker 1: point and kind of off point. But have you guys
Speaker 1: watched like Love Spectrum on Netflix?
Speaker 3: You have?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I really was unfamiliar with how autistic people
Speaker 1: could be until I watched that show. And they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 1: They're not big into lying. They will literally tell you
Speaker 1: all about your fucking self and like they'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't even do I want to go, right, I go.
Speaker 2: On a date with you? Right, They'll just say some
Speaker 2: off the wall shit that is absolutely accurate and honest,
Speaker 2: but it's not exactly socially appropriate.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying, is like, yeah, okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's autistic, whatever you want to say about him. He's
Speaker 1: got a weird obsession with Tiffany, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to figure out a lot of people with
Speaker 1: autism fixate on things that are just like weird obsessions
Speaker 1: about like dinosaurs and like star Wars or whatever.
Speaker 2: His weird obsession was Tuesday Wild, So he would go
Speaker 2: to the Many. He would go to the set of
Speaker 2: The Many Lives of Debbie Gillis, much like he was stalking,
Speaker 2: you know, Tiffany as an adult. As a young child,
Speaker 2: his parents were taking him to go see Tuesday Will See.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is they developed these strange interests
Speaker 1: and they like involved themselves with it, but not to
Speaker 1: the degree of like fabricating stuff, right, they just because
Speaker 1: right right, I think, I think, you know, they get
Speaker 1: so obsessed with it. They want to know everything. So
Speaker 1: if there was somebody to ask about this, who would
Speaker 1: know literally all the details, it would be a guy
Speaker 1: like that, right, And.
Speaker 2: It's just so weird to me. After he drops all
Speaker 2: these Tuesday Will details that gets published in Steam Shovel Press,
Speaker 2: some Paranoid Magazine, and some other publications from Adam go Rightley,
Speaker 2: the author who interviewed him, that that film gets made
Speaker 2: immediately thereafter because they got.
Speaker 1: To make him look like a kook.
Speaker 2: Absolutely and put.
Speaker 1: A transvestite Annie Lennox in there. Absolutely what what was
Speaker 1: Annie Lennox was talking about his character the other character
Speaker 1: in there, Yeah, the one that looks like Manson and yeah.
Speaker 2: The Personal Trainer freak show. You know, it's I honestly think,
Speaker 2: if I recall correctly, I looked up and I don't
Speaker 2: think that person's any longer any longer with us, but
Speaker 2: it's it had a lot of problems. They had a
Speaker 2: lot of problems.
Speaker 1: I could tell.
Speaker 4: I still think a lot of I still think a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff that is filmed as in a reality
Speaker 4: type situation is not at all. I think it's all
Speaker 4: still scripted. And it's like, like me and JJ have
Speaker 4: even said this, like these might be people and maybe
Speaker 4: even a perfect example of Tuesday, will this somehow related
Speaker 4: to somebody who are important somehow, either because of a
Speaker 4: club or a family, like here, this is me, you.
Speaker 2: Could do this.
Speaker 4: We got this going mm hmm. And then that's just
Speaker 4: their way of getting in there and getting something to
Speaker 4: do and getting money.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, oh go ahead, JJ, No, I was
Speaker 2: just saying again, I think to this guy's situations, it's
Speaker 2: to some degree he's part of these same families as well. Right,
Speaker 2: So apparently Tephanie's Jeffrey Turner, so he is au test
Speaker 2: he has you know, I think he's just born into
Speaker 2: a system where they couldn't use the guy for anything else,
Speaker 2: and he just he just seemed to take take notice
Speaker 2: of everything going on around him. That's kind of the
Speaker 2: way that's kind of way I took his situation.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because I mean, if you look at some
Speaker 1: of even the people who came out in the sixties,
Speaker 1: some of them weren't even like very talented, but they
Speaker 1: became huge megastars.
Speaker 2: And most were not talented, you know what I'm saying then.
Speaker 1: Right, Like, sure there were some that could sing and
Speaker 1: play instruments, but like for the majority, was like, is
Speaker 1: this even good? But they made it good. They made
Speaker 1: it so popular that you think that it's good.
Speaker 2: You know who made it good? People like Phil Processed,
Speaker 2: Phil Spector and Process, Bob Cocaine Evans. You know, these
Speaker 2: are the people running the music in the movies in
Speaker 2: Hollywood at the time, right the Laurel Canyon scene, that's
Speaker 2: all Phil Spector, you know, right.
Speaker 1: I just you know, I've listened to like Crosby Still
Speaker 1: Nash and the Birds and like all these people, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not extraordinarily talented, you know, vocally or
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some really cool songs that came
Speaker 1: out during that decade. That's why I love it so much.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, it was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all their families are military or like real high
Speaker 1: up and it's like, Okay, you're gonna sing. Now, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do this, now, you're gonna be exactly.
Speaker 2: Now, exactly so Turners. Turner's father and stepfather were fighter
Speaker 2: pilots near and apparently Tiffany has some relations to that
Speaker 2: same group of fighter pilots.
Speaker 1: God, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Though, It's like
Speaker 1: they don't even have to really be that talented as
Speaker 1: long as their family was someone.
Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest with Tiffany talented. She may be
Speaker 2: more known for her Playboy apparents showing her sits in
Speaker 2: the nineties than her mall hit in the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no shit, no ship. Right right after that movie was
Speaker 2: made with that I think We're alone. Now documentary this
Speaker 2: guy here in the in the Silicon Valley area, some
Speaker 2: sort of tech blog Metro Silicon Valley interviews Jeffrey Dene
Speaker 2: Turner there, you know, in the aftermath of that film,
Speaker 2: and is obviously roasting him, but he goes over a
Speaker 2: lot of the details that Turner tells him and the
Speaker 2: and their and their lunch they had together, including which
Speaker 2: that that Turner claims that he met Charles Manson in
Speaker 2: the late sixties, but refused to being doctrinated into his family.
Speaker 2: And he also met David Berkowitz, the son of same
Speaker 2: serial killer, when he used to haunt in the South
Speaker 2: Bay in the seventies. Makes a lot of sense. Mouth
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Oh my god, all process stuff,
Speaker 2: It's certainly possible in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I wanted to shout out somebody I saw in the comments, Tara,
Speaker 1: what's up girl? Thank you so much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: But you know, the son of Sam thing, if you
Speaker 1: really look into it, you and I did program to
Speaker 1: kill on occult rejects before, and he's in there, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like he can't even he can't
Speaker 1: even be placed at the scene for some of the
Speaker 1: murders that he went down for, and yet he gets
Speaker 1: blamed for everything. And he tried to say, like, there's
Speaker 1: a much bigger thing going on. There's multiple layers. This
Speaker 1: is this is like, I mean, is it process?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I got it. I have another show coming
Speaker 2: up on Wednesday night talking precisely this on the same
Speaker 2: in the process with author Jonathan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm talking about. Then that he
Speaker 1: said like, hey, this is way big thing. Oh for sure,
Speaker 1: not just me. I didn't do all this. I'm so.
Speaker 2: I mean, you signed a memorandum stating all that nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six and witness not only by Mary Terry, the
Speaker 2: author of Ultimate Evil, but there's another party whose names
Speaker 2: escaping me. He's also signed there. He names people like
Speaker 2: Roy Cone, donald Trump's mentors, being a member of the.
Speaker 3: P knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew it, dude.
Speaker 4: Something off with that.
Speaker 1: Roy Cone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you you and and you and I think maybe
Speaker 4: JJ both have brought his name up multiple thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh, I talked about that is a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's, like I said before, I think
Speaker 1: maybe it was in the Program to Kill episode. But
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, we're gonna take all of these
Speaker 1: people that Donald Trump knows that are like his mentors
Speaker 1: and stuff, people like Roy Khne and and they're known
Speaker 1: to be pieces of shit, and we're just gonna disregard
Speaker 1: that they have any connection to each other. Why is that? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess that's sometimes I wonder if
Speaker 4: that's like part of the magic in itself. I think, well,
Speaker 4: it's it's almost as if like I think, you know,
Speaker 4: I've heard somebody say that they they think they saw
Speaker 4: this happen with I can't remember, some some kind of newscaster,
Speaker 4: but like people like start to almost kind of build
Speaker 4: like some false relationship with this person and almost start
Speaker 4: having feelings for them even though they've never met. And
Speaker 4: it's so hard to believe something bad about someone after that.
Speaker 4: And if you look at a lot of Trump supporters,
Speaker 4: they're they're infatuated with the guy.
Speaker 1: Well, they think he's like a messiah or something.
Speaker 4: So it's so hard to After that guy came out
Speaker 4: on what was it, day day two and started talking
Speaker 4: about the vaccines, I don't know how most Trump supporters
Speaker 4: weren't like.
Speaker 1: What the fuck dude with one hundred with them, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's like he's best he's with or was
Speaker 1: besties with Epstein. Right, we're gonna forget that one too,
Speaker 1: I guess, even though there's pictures of him together. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna forget about Roy JJ. Youre muted.
Speaker 2: Epstein? Never heard of him?
Speaker 1: Oh right, you're right, never heard of him, never heard,
Speaker 1: never heard of him. I guess that's, like I said,
Speaker 1: that's another one that they want you to forget about.
Speaker 1: But this Roy Cohne guy. Oh my god, JJ, you
Speaker 1: gotta tell Nick more about him sometime. He's he's literally like,
Speaker 1: wasn't he the one with the Violet scandal or whatever?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it, we did. Uh, we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna do some more on I think, but we did
Speaker 2: it on the last one of the Mormons and uh
Speaker 2: with the Heidi Love We did a whole series of
Speaker 2: Mormons and parapolitics. And Roy Cone comes into play because
Speaker 2: he's on the board of Perman Decks and that JFK
Speaker 2: situation along along with the Clay Shaw, the man that
Speaker 2: Jim Garrison charged, and the and Joseph Banano, the head
Speaker 2: of the Five Families. He was the head of Banana family,
Speaker 2: but he was the head of the board of the
Speaker 2: Five Families at the time in New York City. They're
Speaker 2: all sitting on this weird multinational corporation board that's in
Speaker 2: charge of American presidents. Like they try to mark the
Speaker 2: French president twice.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and he was wasn't he doing something around
Speaker 1: the time like the Franklin scandal was going on where
Speaker 1: they were bringing little boys to the White House and stuff.
Speaker 1: That was Roy Cohne's time.
Speaker 2: I think he was. He was dead at that time.
Speaker 2: I think he's like he I think he died just
Speaker 2: prior to the Franklin I mean he may have been
Speaker 2: involved in the Franklin scandal by all means, I'm I
Speaker 2: wouldn't doubt it. The man was well connected in politics
Speaker 2: and Dedlin. So, but I think he died of age
Speaker 2: in eighty six.
Speaker 1: Well he I remember Paul Banasi saying something about him.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he may he made I
Speaker 2: don't know enough of the details about the Franklin stuff.
Speaker 2: He may very well come up with that. He because
Speaker 2: obviously the Franklin scandal may got out in the eighties,
Speaker 2: but it was obviously going on a lot longer than that, right.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep. It went all the way into
Speaker 1: the nineties with that civil trial.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, But anyways, that's besides the point. Roy Cone knows
Speaker 1: the son of Sam.
Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, he claimed to meet him and gone to
Speaker 2: his parties. They all hung out to the Studio fifty
Speaker 2: four together. So another member of the colt was allegedly
Speaker 2: an aid to the mayor Abe Beam. That man was
Speaker 2: also that was he left that job and became Roy
Speaker 2: Cone's law partner in the late seventies. There their clients
Speaker 2: were the Studio fifty four owners, that's what.
Speaker 1: And then he went on to be Trump's mentor.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's already to mentor at this point he meets
Speaker 2: Trump in nineteen seventy three, Roger Stone introduces the two
Speaker 2: Roger Stone just meets Trump. He says, Hey, you got
Speaker 2: to meet my friend Roy Cone. So Donald had just
Speaker 2: hired him in seventy minutes, crazy seventy eight. I think
Speaker 2: it's seventy eight. You can find a picture of it.
Speaker 2: It's called It's called Roy cones fifty second birthday party
Speaker 2: at Studio fifty four. It was a vandy fair article
Speaker 2: and stuff. Roy Cones got like on a little leash,
Speaker 2: like a little cross dressing Donald Trump right next to
Speaker 2: him there at his party. You think Donald's twenty eight.
Speaker 2: You have that picture he just hired. I'll find it.
Speaker 2: He just hires Roy Cone as his attorney for this
Speaker 2: building he's purchasing, and then Roy's having his birthday party
Speaker 2: at the club where his other clients he's representing in
Speaker 2: some coke trafficking, the Studio fifty four owners. You know,
Speaker 2: that was basically so according to Burkewitz, Studio fifty four
Speaker 2: was essentially the processed church hangout.
Speaker 1: So he's hanging out, So Roy is hanging out with
Speaker 1: the son of Sam Berkowitz and Trump cross dressed on
Speaker 1: a leash all during the same time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. I like to look at
Speaker 2: it like this that somewhere around Sirra nineteen seventies seventy seven,
Speaker 2: you may have, in fact had Donald Trump, Roy Cone,
Speaker 2: David Berkowitz, and Michael Jackson moonwalking around the dance floor
Speaker 2: of Studio fifty four together.
Speaker 1: I can't shut the fuck absolutely up. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: they were all there. This is why, this is why
Speaker 1: I can't get on board with any politics whatsoever. It's
Speaker 1: like you literally, you literally cannot choose a team when
Speaker 1: it comes to this stuff because they're all just cross
Speaker 1: dressing processed church members exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is this is the article about. But the
Speaker 2: birthday boy Roy Cone is fifty two. At fifty four,
Speaker 2: I'll de find the picture. But in this article you'll
Speaker 2: see another person who I like to who's got connections
Speaker 2: to the nextium cult, or as I like to call them,
Speaker 2: the Albany chapter of the Processed Church, and that is
Speaker 2: here at roy k They go over all the people
Speaker 2: to show up here at Roy Cone's birthday party, and
Speaker 2: I'll go over. Donald Trump has listened here too. But
Speaker 2: you got mob figures, you got, you know, mayors, you
Speaker 2: got you know, you got judges you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: District court judges, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 2: you scroll down here and you see, uh, Chuck Schumer junior. Wow, newcomer,
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer, a reform assemblyman from Brooklyn. He's not even
Speaker 2: he's not even US Congress yet. This is he's assembly
Speaker 2: man from Brooklyn. Why he was just the date of
Speaker 2: a gossip columnist.
Speaker 4: Off.
Speaker 1: He sucked him off and became.
Speaker 2: I would argue, is the reason why he's connected to
Speaker 2: the next to him stuff now is because he was
Speaker 2: connected to the process stuff back then and.
Speaker 1: He was sucking dudes off.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I think that's you not accept that
Speaker 2: going in the door? I think, right, right?
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever watched Adventures and Babysitting and it's
Speaker 1: like you, nobody leaves his place without singing the blues, well,
Speaker 1: without sucking the dick. So that's right, Hey, wasn't that
Speaker 1: Chuck Berry in that that said that nobody gets out
Speaker 1: of here without singing the blues? That was Chuck Berry?
Speaker 2: Was that really Chuck? Very holy? Shiite? So long, Erry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so long? Is that around the same time he was filming,
Speaker 2: he was filming prostitutes to fart in his mouth? Oh
Speaker 2: come on, Yeah. When they raided they raided his house
Speaker 2: in the late nineties, early I think it was late nineties.
Speaker 2: He had installed cameras and all these KFC's and Taco
Speaker 2: bells across the Midwest that he owned in women's toilets,
Speaker 2: and he got in The Feds rated the restaurants in
Speaker 2: his house about that. When they raided his house, the
Speaker 2: FED seized a box of videos of him recording himself
Speaker 2: hiring hookers just to fart in their mouths, and he, uh,
Speaker 2: the Feds released this. The reason why this came out
Speaker 2: somebody leaked into the tabloids, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: So like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, nobody gets out of this taco bell without farting
Speaker 1: in my mouth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But he'd already been a convicted, you know, child
Speaker 2: sexophone in remain Act decades prior when he got busted
Speaker 2: for filming women in bathroom, toilets, that of restaurants he owned.
Speaker 2: I got belt Jack Barry, Yeah right, Taco Bell places. JJ.
Speaker 4: This might be the picture. I'm gonna throw it up
Speaker 4: on the screens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 4: I was looking for this is it?
Speaker 2: That's it? Eight year old Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's just like and uh, you know
Speaker 1: they'd got they dressed him up as a girl too.
Speaker 2: Yep. So, according according to this article about that party
Speaker 2: right there, Trump has just hired Roy Cone to be
Speaker 2: his attorneys. Well that again, that's you can probably do
Speaker 2: that in the in the coat room before you can
Speaker 2: get into the actual place. The crowd from my recent
Speaker 2: voice series was their thirty two year old developer of
Speaker 2: the Commodore Hotel and the Convention Center, Donald Trump. So
Speaker 2: he had just right prior to this photograph, he had
Speaker 2: just hired Roy Cone as his attorney. But he'd known
Speaker 2: Roy for about six years, about five years.
Speaker 1: That's how that's why he knew to show up to
Speaker 1: the party in full drag.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, some folks, if you have some folks,
Speaker 2: there's some folks in the Son of Sam community. I'm
Speaker 2: not one of them, but there's there are some folks
Speaker 2: in the Son of Sam community. That think one of
Speaker 2: the sketches of the shooters looks a lot like Donald Trump. Oh,
Speaker 2: it would have been about twenty six at the time.
Speaker 1: Woww yes, yes, you know. My somebody in my family
Speaker 1: the other day they sent me this hoodie. They were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I gotta get this. And it was
Speaker 1: a picture of Donald Trump in front of the White
Speaker 1: House and it said Daddy's Home. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kill myself if I see another thing
Speaker 1: like this. I mean, it's just so yeah, Daddy's home
Speaker 1: to suck Dixon the White House, ye know, right, look
Speaker 1: at this stuff at it. He probably flirted in his
Speaker 1: mouth right after this.
Speaker 2: Picture mistaken, So he would have been twenty five at
Speaker 2: the time of this sketch. Right here, I believe.
Speaker 4: Trump was yelling drill, Baby, drill.
Speaker 2: But here here's the here's the Son of Sam sketch.
Speaker 2: Shooter sketch looks a lot like Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: With or without drag.
Speaker 2: This would have been a couple years pre drag. This
Speaker 2: has been seventy six. That was seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at that. It looks like freaking
Speaker 1: what's his son's name Baron, Baron, look at that picture.
Speaker 1: That's the young you know young right there.
Speaker 2: I suppose the circumstantial argument could be made he did
Speaker 2: know Roy Cohen, who Burkowitz claimed was a member of
Speaker 2: the process. But now I have never seen anything that
Speaker 2: claimed burkowitzknew Donald Trump or claimed he was one of
Speaker 2: the shooters. He's identified all of these shooters as somebody else.
Speaker 2: But there is, you know, there is this sketch that
Speaker 2: people like this. You know, hey, what is Why does
Speaker 2: this look like him? Why?
Speaker 1: Literally, why does it look like him? Damn, that is
Speaker 1: got to be him. I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1: That looks just like if you well, like, because I've
Speaker 1: studied the zoopiac and they have like the zodiac composite sketch,
Speaker 1: and every single person they try to put next to
Speaker 1: it and say, oh, this was the zodiac, this was
Speaker 1: the Zodiac. I'm like, dude, that looks nothing like the
Speaker 1: composite sketch. I would know that Trump without even seeing
Speaker 1: the side by side like that looks uncay and he
Speaker 1: as fun you know.
Speaker 4: It's funny. The hair even fits him. Today's still the
Speaker 4: way how it's like very sometimes thick on one side
Speaker 4: and the weird eyebrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to find a picture. I'm at that time.
Speaker 2: I can't find a picture by the age of twenty
Speaker 2: five or twenty six.
Speaker 1: Like one of them sticks up way more than the
Speaker 1: other one. That's crazy, dead Dead River for real, for real? Yes,
Speaker 1: oh thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah mean it does have bear resemblance. There's no question.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just blew my entire mind. Because I've
Speaker 1: talked about Roy Cohane for the last like year now,
Speaker 1: since I read The pet the I covered it in
Speaker 1: the Pedophocracy series, but since I read Program to Kill
Speaker 1: and I found out about him and his connection to Trump,
Speaker 1: I've been talking about him, and I'm like, people need
Speaker 1: a look into this guy because he's fucked up. But
Speaker 1: I didn't note to the to the degree cross dressing
Speaker 1: and shit like that. Son of Sam Processed Church.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't think. I don't think Donald
Speaker 2: Trump knew Tuesday well, but he definitely knew her cousin
Speaker 2: Bill Weld.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, you know the politicians crazy?
Speaker 2: I wonder Bill Weld ran againstm Right in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Right he was, He was the Libertarian Party's VP against Trump.
Speaker 2: A twenty sixteen Bill Weld.
Speaker 1: Can you find a recent picture of her? I feel
Speaker 1: like that would be a good way to sum everything up.
Speaker 1: I just wonder what she lives like now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's actually aged decently, you know, as far as
Speaker 2: you know comparison, like you were saying Marilyn Monroe and
Speaker 2: Jane Mansfield, I guess.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, who died very ritualistically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jane Mansfield. Jane Mansfield knew the Sun the same
Speaker 2: cult people, damn it.
Speaker 1: She was also on the.
Speaker 2: Westchester Politician, Westchester County Politician.
Speaker 1: That's nuts.
Speaker 2: She was on She's Buried There.
Speaker 1: The album cover for Magical Mystery Tour. Okay, you know
Speaker 1: the Beatles cover that's got like all different Sergeant Peppers, sorry,
Speaker 1: Sergeant Peppers. She's right there, and she's commonly mistaken to
Speaker 1: be Marilyn Monroe. But it's Jane Jane Mansfield.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know what you're talking about. That's Jane Mansfield,
Speaker 2: not Marilyn Monroe. I wonder if you like Tuesday Weld
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: I wonder if you picked apart all those people, if
Speaker 4: you'd see some sort of commonality.
Speaker 1: Between all you should pull it up because actually I
Speaker 1: have one.
Speaker 2: Oh is that her right there, that's supposedly her in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: She don't look terrible.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. She doesn't look you know,
Speaker 2: she's got her hair, you know what I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: have her teeth still, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like her skin is pretty smooth, probably
Speaker 1: from all the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't look too much like a
Speaker 2: demon dushy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she probably got baby Dick's skin injected into her
Speaker 1: face or whatever they do, baby scrot the blood. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all like creams and ointments. They reb on each other's
Speaker 1: bee holes, right, but yeah, no, Nick, pull up that
Speaker 1: cover because I actually I feel like this is the
Speaker 1: cover that people talk about was like one of the
Speaker 1: major signals that the old Paul had died and was
Speaker 1: replaced by the new Paul. And if you really look
Speaker 1: at it, there are so many things in there, even
Speaker 1: beside Jane's Jane Ansfield, which she was killed in a
Speaker 1: car act, the same way that they say the old
Speaker 1: Paul was killed in a car act. Sure, so right,
Speaker 1: I do feel like that's significant because if you were
Speaker 1: going to put somebody on there and everybody mistakes it
Speaker 1: as being Marilyn Monroe, but it's like they both the
Speaker 1: old Paul supposedly and Jane Mansfield died in like horrific
Speaker 1: car accidents.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's definitely, that's definitely a different Paul. There's no
Speaker 2: way that's the same Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's not. It's if you look. If
Speaker 1: you look, it's like the new Beatles are burying the dead.
Speaker 1: See if you look at the original Beatles, it's like
Speaker 1: they're all sad and they're mourning and they're looking at
Speaker 1: the grave. And then it's like a super tall Paul
Speaker 1: in blue that's way taller than the Paul over here,
Speaker 1: because he was supposedly like six inches taller than the
Speaker 1: old Paul. And they definitely you can see that. And
Speaker 1: then they have right over there Jane Mansfield front and uh,
Speaker 1: she's right in the very front row, commonly mistaken for
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe and the gold dress. There's also I think
Speaker 1: Edgar Allan Poe he died weird. Uh, there's Alistair Crowley
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Back Carl Marks yep.
Speaker 1: If you I don't know, so, I guess it would
Speaker 1: be my top left. You can see Alistair Crowley right.
Speaker 1: There isn't Hitler in here somewhere too. I feel like.
Speaker 2: Marlon Brando mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I mean Marylyn Marilyn Monroe is in there. She's in
Speaker 1: black and white. Yeah, yeah, but she's not the center
Speaker 1: of attention, not like Jane over here for sure. And uh,
Speaker 1: they're standing at a grave, which I've always thought was significant,
Speaker 1: Like why are they standing at a grave with the
Speaker 1: old Beetles like sad and crying and shit? Right, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. There's something about the little girl
Speaker 1: in the chair too, with the red and white striped
Speaker 1: shirt on right there. Yeah, yeah, there's something about that too. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I could go back. I did an episode
Speaker 1: on it, and there there's something it looks like it's
Speaker 1: got like it's like a blood welcome the Rolling Stones
Speaker 1: and it looks like it's like splattered with blood.
Speaker 4: Creepy, yeah, like on the armor. It actually does something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's something about that too. It was like
Speaker 1: the transitioning between the old Beetles and the New Beetles
Speaker 1: and the Rolling Stones something like that. It was around
Speaker 1: like the same time. I can't remember when they replaced Paul.
Speaker 2: But it was right before this sixty six This is
Speaker 2: sixty seven mm hmmm, twenty years ago today Sergeant Pepper
Speaker 2: taught the band to play. Is often assumed they're talking
Speaker 2: about Crowley he died.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think this is one of
Speaker 1: those rabbit holes you can go down because it's just
Speaker 1: such a hodgepodge of like weird stuff and like why
Speaker 1: why put it together in that way?
Speaker 2: Well, their process, I mean you're doing, yeah, weird process stuff.
Speaker 2: Well that's where that's where John matt Yoko was it,
Speaker 2: the Process Mayfair. Yeah, it was owned. It was owned
Speaker 2: by Paul McCarty, the original Paul's girlfriend's brother, Jane Asher,
Speaker 2: was his girlfriend. Peter Asher, major major music producer guy
Speaker 2: in Hollywood till this till this day. I think he's
Speaker 2: associated with the p DDY stuff. I'm not mistaken that
Speaker 2: he was a member of the Process and he owned
Speaker 2: the coffee shop and headquarters are they're in the Mayfair district.
Speaker 2: Their first cousin, Jane and Peter Asher's first cousin, lives
Speaker 2: in canab Utah today. She's an og member of the Process.
Speaker 1: So do you know if the guy who shot John
Speaker 1: Lennon was Process.
Speaker 2: Because we were just talking about that. Actually, we were
Speaker 2: just about on Friday Night, weren't we Nick, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were on our Friday night show. We were talking why
Speaker 2: did we start tall? Because our guest was talking about
Speaker 2: the jfk assassination in Lenin Vans, And I was like,
Speaker 2: I know a Lenin Van and there's a guy that
Speaker 2: drives around America claiming that Stephen King murdered John Lennon.
Speaker 2: But we started talking about the process and everything else. Really,
Speaker 2: are you know from AYR Stephen King murder John Lennon.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past him, right because I know
Speaker 1: that the guy that they blamed it on, Mark David
Speaker 1: Wasn't that his name? Chapman? Chapman Yep, he was a
Speaker 1: good friend of Kenneth Anger.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He had some connections right to scientology too, I
Speaker 2: believe right.
Speaker 1: So I would just wondered if the process came in
Speaker 1: anywhere with that, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look more into it. I mean, it happened
Speaker 2: to Dakoda building. That's for Bob Cocaine, Evans and Roman
Speaker 2: Polanski film. There's Satanist shit show of the film. Rosemary
Speaker 2: Baby was supposed to start Tuesday, well until she turned down.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you go there's the tie back.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be Tuesday, the High Priestess witch herself.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm sure there's more to the lend murder
Speaker 2: there with the process, for sure, quite.
Speaker 1: Positive, who fucking even knows? But yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: is a really great place for people to, like, if
Speaker 1: they've never looked into her, or if they're this this
Speaker 1: is like the first time they're ever hearing about her,
Speaker 1: to go and just look at her Wikipedia, because there's
Speaker 1: you know, if you start at the top and you
Speaker 1: just go all the way down, there's so many things
Speaker 1: in there you just would not believe like she's connected
Speaker 1: to or that she people, that she knew the circles
Speaker 1: she traveled then. And some people have even speculated that
Speaker 1: that plane crash with Buddy Hawley and the Big Bopper
Speaker 1: and Richie Allen's was like the sacrifice that ascended Tuesday
Speaker 1: into the counterculture movement.
Speaker 2: I'm glad, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you
Speaker 2: date right, Yeah, yeah, by Domin Lean right, Hi, Yes,
Speaker 2: would you believe that Domic Clean's forefather is First of all,
Speaker 2: Domin Clean's a member of the Society of Cincinnati. His
Speaker 2: forefather wasn't well a potential member. His forefather was a member.
Speaker 2: His paternal forefather and his paternal forefather most certainly knew
Speaker 2: Elizer Weld. Colonel Eliser Weld. There they served together.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's what the connection is though, because
Speaker 1: they say that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like there were there rumored to be
Speaker 2: dating right Weld and MacLean, Right, and that's what he
Speaker 2: writes that song about the tribute to the power well hold.
Speaker 2: Their families have history together.
Speaker 1: Holy ship, because I never I never knew what the
Speaker 1: tie was because they said, you know that plane crash,
Speaker 1: it was the sacrifice for Tuesday, and then she was
Speaker 1: supposed to like ascend into whatever. And then the the
Speaker 1: American Pie song was supposed to be about that and
Speaker 1: about and then.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you know the source of that
Speaker 2: sale you just described? No, Jeffrey Dean Turner, the autistic
Speaker 2: man in the kitchen to say that, say California. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was from the Rightley series. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. The dude's onto something, right, He's got
Speaker 2: you make some good points. He makes some good points.
Speaker 1: I want to meet the fucker. I want to mind
Speaker 1: my show.
Speaker 2: He's still a lovey. You can probably should probably contact him,
Speaker 2: But that song is definitely about That song is definitely
Speaker 2: about a ritual. I mean, the last the last, the
Speaker 2: entire last verse is all about is it mentioned Satan twice?
Speaker 2: The tank rituals everything else?
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite songs too. It's crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: you know when you the first time you hear it,
Speaker 1: Like I was a kid the first time I heard it,
Speaker 1: and you just sing it, you know, and passing because
Speaker 1: it's catchy, but it means something totally different to me
Speaker 1: as an adult. Yeah, I mean. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if I was to ever get in contact with this
Speaker 1: autistic guy, I would not want to interview him alone.
Speaker 1: I would definitely need back.
Speaker 2: We know, if you get ahold of him several people,
Speaker 2: you get ahold of them all, I'll come. I'll come
Speaker 2: question the man. I'll talk and autism with the guy.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you are not autistic, are you?
Speaker 2: Don't I've ever been tested. My son is extremely He's
Speaker 2: definitely autistic. But you know the way that.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned to Colby before because like we've done shows together,
Speaker 1: and I'll be like the way JJ can recall information
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you are autistic. I don't know, dude,
Speaker 1: Like I can't remember ship the way you can.
Speaker 2: My son's got me. My my son's got me beat.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a he was diagnosed, so they never
Speaker 2: sent me to a doctor. I'm just saying, like he
Speaker 2: and I operate on the same wavelength.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, Like I have to have notes. I
Speaker 1: have to, you know, go back because I'll forget shit
Speaker 1: and like be trying to go off my memory and
Speaker 1: I can't remember shit. But some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: you bring up, I'm like, how the fuck does he
Speaker 1: remember all this? It's like verbatim quotes and like places
Speaker 1: and like stuff in history.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, we'll do some autism and autism
Speaker 2: with the Jeffrey Den Turner.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to be there. But no, thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on though, you guys. I think this was a
Speaker 1: really cool episode.
Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely, no, for sure.
Speaker 2: I had a great time. I got one question before you, Julia,
Speaker 2: So you know, not necessarily a Laurel Canyon, you know band,
Speaker 2: but obviously not really Hollywood band neither for you know
Speaker 2: la scene at all really, But Lennard Skinner they saying
Speaker 2: Tuesday's gone in nineteen seventy three and they're playing Crashes
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven. What are your thoughts on?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, family my favorite band.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite band. I can't forget.
Speaker 1: I love Lyonard Skinnard. Oh my god, it's like one
Speaker 1: of my favies.
Speaker 2: Geez, August nineteen seventy three, the jam Tuesday's gone August
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. Most of the band was gone. Well excellent.
Speaker 1: If anybody's told my well, I think I've actually talked
Speaker 1: to Dick about this before. But if anybody's followed my
Speaker 1: show for a while, they know that I've put together
Speaker 1: all these like weird things that happen in August or
Speaker 1: around eights and stuff like Marilyn Monroe died in August.
Speaker 1: Tuesday Weld was born in August. Apparently they came out
Speaker 1: with this song in August and then died what August
Speaker 1: the next year?
Speaker 2: The October seventy seven is when August, which it claimed
Speaker 2: most of the band. I think all but three three members.
Speaker 2: I think we're all well killed there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I mean, I think it's weird. Did the
Speaker 1: song did you say the song came out in August?
Speaker 2: Yeah, August the seventy three, I believe it was.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So I mean there's just we have this August.
Speaker 2: August thirteenth, that was August ninth. Was August the ninth
Speaker 2: of the the tenth, tenth, and eleventh, I think were
Speaker 2: the Manson murders. Right?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that right? August tenth and eleventh. It's always August
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Hmm, it's always August. If people look and they see,
Speaker 1: like if you even google like tragedies that happened in August,
Speaker 1: celebrities that died in August, it's like it's astounding the
Speaker 1: amount of stuff that that has went down that seems
Speaker 1: super ritualistic to me in August, Like when did when
Speaker 1: did Buddy When did the Buddy Holly plane go down?
Speaker 1: Was that August? No?
Speaker 2: I think that was February.
Speaker 1: February, Okay. I had a whole list of these August things.
Speaker 1: I wish I had that list still so I could
Speaker 1: tell you some of the stuff.
Speaker 2: But oh, there's a lot of zodiac stuff popping off
Speaker 2: along with man's and stuff right in August that same year, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think John Bennet was born in August. You know,
Speaker 1: just the more you look for it, you'll find it.
Speaker 1: And it used to not be significant to me, but
Speaker 1: then the more I started looking into it, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: another August, another August, another August. And so it's gotta
Speaker 1: mean something given.
Speaker 2: These cult folks we're talking about in their affinity for
Speaker 2: the Star Sirius, this ancient alien cargo cult systems these
Speaker 2: people all subscribe to and their affinity for the Star
Speaker 2: system serious or dog Star? Is this going on during
Speaker 2: the dog days of summer? What you're describing it sounds
Speaker 2: like it is?
Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, because I wanted to look further into it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tangent too hard. But you know
Speaker 1: Santos Binacci right in his Holy Science and you know
Speaker 1: the zodiacting, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: Familiar with this guy button He's a cool guy.
Speaker 4: It actually follows me on Instagram. I was like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck?
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a big atrologer.
Speaker 4: He is, and I think he's done some great work.
Speaker 4: I just think he's getting a little old and a
Speaker 4: little fright out at this point.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I think he's done the same presentation so
Speaker 1: many times he's he's kind of burned himself out on it,
Speaker 1: but the information is still really cool. And he talks
Speaker 1: about the dog days, the serious dog days of summer,
Speaker 1: and he talks about significant things happening during that time
Speaker 1: because it's under the sign of Leo and the sun worship,
Speaker 1: and most of these cults and a lot of religions
Speaker 1: are based off of sun worship. I think Catholicism is
Speaker 1: one of the most guilty parties of sun worship. But
Speaker 1: you know, August is Leo, it's the it's the Sun,
Speaker 1: and it's also the dog days, the serious days, so
Speaker 1: it's literally like multiple things at one time during that
Speaker 1: part of the year.
Speaker 2: So Cargo cults love Serious, all of them. The more
Speaker 2: the process, all the Rosicrucians, the Masons, they all love Serious.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the Uh. The civilization that built go Beckley
Speaker 1: Tepe built it in alignment with Serious. It's anciently old.
Speaker 1: The ancient civilization that built gig and Tea it's on Malta,
Speaker 1: they built it in alignment with the Star. Serious. If
Speaker 1: you look at the Truman Show, even there are several
Speaker 1: mentions to Serious in The Truman Show with Jim Carrey
Speaker 1: and also Jim Carrey. The Mask it's a it's a
Speaker 1: story about Serious and Loki. So I mean, it's ever
Speaker 1: you look for the mask. Yeah, the yeah, the folkal
Speaker 1: are behind the mask. The real mask is about Loki
Speaker 1: and Dark Star Serious. So if you look for it,
Speaker 1: Serious symbology is everywhere.
Speaker 2: It is everywhere, and it's like Plates are better than Serious.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: What somebody says that?
Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder because that's who founded the town
Speaker 2: of Moscow, Idaho. Was this Plates Club? Yeah? Yeah, they
Speaker 2: started the university. There was the wife of the first
Speaker 2: president and six wives of six administrators or teachers. They
Speaker 2: were seven sisters of Plates. There's Plates Club. That's seems
Speaker 2: to be some cult origins of that town. I just
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about Plates. I don't know enough
Speaker 2: about Stars. I don't believe in him. Nazi's describing to me,
Speaker 2: and so did kid Diddlers, And I don't believe in
Speaker 2: anything either one of those.
Speaker 1: Parties say, well, they seem to believe in it. That's
Speaker 1: what I care about. I want to know why.
Speaker 2: I want to know why something. I'm just saying I
Speaker 2: don't believe in what they're describing it as, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure something right, Yeah, some kind of affecting there,
Speaker 2: there is.
Speaker 1: This is a cult you can look into JJ. It's
Speaker 1: called the the the Order of the Solar Temple. They
Speaker 1: were also I think they were dog stars, serious followers.
Speaker 4: You know, it's you know, it's funny. That just reminded me. No, Lie,
Speaker 4: I recorded part one of a two part series with
Speaker 4: that with Thrash and Mike probably eight months.
Speaker 1: Ago, and about the Solar Temple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we never got to part two yet. I totally forgot.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is wild. It's latantly cult. It's blatantly a cult.
Speaker 4: They didn't hide anything. They burned places down, killed people.
Speaker 4: There was multiple suicides choreographed in different.
Speaker 1: Countries in Switzerland and France. And they also took all
Speaker 1: of their inspiration from Alice Bailey, who was.
Speaker 2: As yeah, to go back to theosophy.
Speaker 1: Alice Bailey with the New Age ideals.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the way wiscribes this cult, variously described as
Speaker 2: a esoteric new religious movement, a neo Templar group, a
Speaker 2: Rosic Crucian organization, a doomsday or suicide, call a new
Speaker 2: magical movement, a magical esoteric religion, or a secret society,
Speaker 2: among many other descriptors. These people there, they got a
Speaker 2: lot of skill sets, are pretty prolific.
Speaker 1: I like, I like this called dude. JJ body count
Speaker 1: is seventy four for this town.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Again, that's multiple countries I think are involved. Like
Speaker 4: possibly yeah too, at least I think they.
Speaker 2: Jim Jones situation. These are independent activities of seventy four.
Speaker 1: They're independent and it spanned over three years of death.
Speaker 2: Good lord.
Speaker 1: Yes, you got to look into him, man, They're they're
Speaker 1: fucking balls to the wall nuts so crazy.
Speaker 2: Definitely will nix't been telling about him too, for sure.
Speaker 2: I'll definitely look into him. Thank you. Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: see the serious worship there too. Yeah, they're Yes, it's
Speaker 2: always serious, it's always.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, guys, this was a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: That's what mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to talking Tuesday Well and I
Speaker 2: appreciated Julia that I, you know, had an opportunity to
Speaker 2: share some Tuesday Well thoughts with you here today. Hell yeah,
Speaker 2: let me let me know if you get ahold of
Speaker 2: that autistic fell I'll be happy to help.
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 1: I'll let you know if I get You know what,
Speaker 1: the most mind blowing part of this show for me
Speaker 1: was cross dressing Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I think, there you go. God, there you go, a
Speaker 2: hunter nightmares from now on. Cross dressing Trump on a leash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so crazy to me. David Burkowitz in the background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, parting it up, coke out.
Speaker 1: All the place, just each other.
Speaker 2: We don't know if he was there, We don't know if.
Speaker 1: He's Oh he was there, come on, and.
Speaker 4: He was just pumping, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Singing his number one hit, My Dangling. It's a real song.
Speaker 2: It's a real song. It was the number one hit
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: Oh God, no way. Maybe we should do Maybe we
Speaker 1: should do the next one on Chuck Berry.
Speaker 4: Maybe you might actually find some decent stuff in that.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Nobody gets tabloid articles.
Speaker 1: Right, nobody gets out of touching my Dangling.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your all's time today with the Tuesday Wells conversation,
Speaker 2: for sure. Any of the folks of the interwebs.
Speaker 4: All right, you good, We're done.
Speaker 2: Gotta closing saments, you gotta closing thoughts there.
Speaker 4: Uh no, not really no. I thought it was really good.
Speaker 4: Like again, I feel bad I didn't have anything to add,
Speaker 4: but I mean there was just this is interesting, so
Speaker 4: many different things that it connects to. I even like
Speaker 4: not have to bring it back up, but even starting
Speaker 4: to follow, Like I was thinking for a while at
Speaker 4: least plane crashes, Like there's even something like what's up
Speaker 4: like this?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, plane crashes a RFK have plane clashes to those
Speaker 4: guys who are for La Bamba. I mean, it's all
Speaker 4: these people. It's like, why are we using planes h
Speaker 4: knocking people off?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean I did a plane crash episode if you
Speaker 1: guys want me to talk about it sometimes. But Alia
Speaker 1: is a crazy one.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I might actually be interested on that. That
Speaker 4: was something you Oh god, I'm sorry, I'm hijacking the
Speaker 4: show now, but real quick, I think it inspired me
Speaker 4: to do this. I started. I did a couple of
Speaker 4: shows where I covered the seventeenth of every month and
Speaker 4: weird stuff that happened on that, And there was one
Speaker 4: there was a few times where plane crashes were huge
Speaker 4: and I'm like, OK, what is up with plane crashes
Speaker 4: on the date of.
Speaker 1: The seventeenth, cause it's an eight that's the dog Star.
Speaker 1: Yeah serious, the infinity symbol.
Speaker 2: Seriously serious. All right, I appreciate the operation g c
Speaker 2: D take over again. I wasn't gonna have this conversation
Speaker 2: not on Occult Rejects. When when we're all with you know,
Speaker 2: when Julian I Recult Rejects. We we spawned this whole
Speaker 2: show off of last week's The Cult Elvis Show, which
Speaker 2: I can I highly recommend folks check out.
Speaker 4: Yes next week, all right, next week, yes, all right,
Speaker 4: I guess we'll wrap it up here. And yo, the
Speaker 4: the chat was off the hook. Thank you everybody in
Speaker 4: the chat. That's what's up. I tried to pay attention
Speaker 4: to throw up a lot of your comments. Uh so,
Speaker 4: thank you all again, and thank you Tyler. That's what's up.
Speaker 4: You're the best. And that's the end of another Cult
Speaker 4: Rejects until the next one. Buddy, be well.
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