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<v Speaker 1>Think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>People pray for answers, they don't get them. And since

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<v Speaker 2>his Father's Day, let me ask you a question. How

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<v Speaker 2>many calls does a father miss before we stop calling

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<v Speaker 2>him attentive? How many text messages go unanswered before we

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<v Speaker 2>call it ghosting? And how many times can a child

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<v Speaker 2>cry out for guidance, comfort, reassurance or even just a

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<v Speaker 2>response before people start questioning the relationship. Because when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to God, the Father, people have been calling for

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of years. They've been praying, begging, crying, waiting and listening,

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<v Speaker 2>and for a lot of people it just feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to voicemail. Meanwhile, AI picks up on the

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<v Speaker 2>first ring. Again, that doesn't mean that AI is right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oftentimes it is very wrong, but it does mean that

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<v Speaker 2>it responds and people ask difficult questions, they get told

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<v Speaker 2>to have faith, they ask for clarity, they get mystery,

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<v Speaker 2>and meanwhile they open AI and they get an immediate response,

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong. They're getting engagement. Have people stopped listening

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<v Speaker 2>to God or have they spent years listening and never

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<v Speaker 2>heard anything back? And today, on Father's Day, maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>question isn't whether people are abandoning God. Maybe the question

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<v Speaker 2>is where the people got tired of waiting by the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Ai becoming the new God or is Ai simply

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<v Speaker 2>answering calls that God never returned. If you are a believer,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear from you. If you think prayer

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<v Speaker 2>answers questions better than Ai, call in. If you think

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<v Speaker 2>Ai is leading people away from God, call in. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you've been wrestling with doubts that you were never

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to voice, call in. And if you thank God.

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<v Speaker 1>The father has been ghosting his.

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<v Speaker 2>Children from millennia and Ai has finally answered the call,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely call in. I'm your host Thinker, and the Atheist

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<v Speaker 2>Experience starts right now. Welcome everybody. Today is Jump twenty first,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six. It is Father's Day and we want

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<v Speaker 2>to welcome you all to the Atheist Experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host Thinker, and joining me today is Zina Maggie.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing, Zina.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing wonderful, Thinker.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to have you on the show today. I

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<v Speaker 2>know we've been looking forward to this all month long.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, same here, show everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Your shirt because that this is like the perfect opening

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<v Speaker 2>for Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I just oh, there goes my heart there,

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<v Speaker 3>it goes right there. This is my true heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that submissive men are the best men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would have to agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have to agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a wedding yesterday and I love my

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<v Speaker 2>new sister in law, but like listening to the vowels

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<v Speaker 2>and the submissiveness and it all, I just wish they

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<v Speaker 2>would take that part out because I don't think love

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<v Speaker 2>requires submission and it doesn't. Yeah, yeah, tell everybody about

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<v Speaker 2>you well.

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<v Speaker 3>I host shows on TikTok Live. We talk about an

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<v Speaker 3>array of options. I typically focus on community oriented things lately,

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, talking about purity culture, which has been

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting conversation. I also do some fundraising for the

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<v Speaker 3>community as well. So I'm thinking about trying to start

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<v Speaker 3>a nonprofit, so fingers crossed on that will be doing

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<v Speaker 3>that by the end of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, it's non profitly going to be like finding

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<v Speaker 2>missing children. I know you do that. You share the

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<v Speaker 2>information about missing children as well as raising money for

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<v Speaker 2>people in the community, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that what your nonprofit is going to be about?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, yes, it is definitely going to be towards those efforts.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I was really focused on the missing children,

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<v Speaker 3>something that really bothered me was that the lack of

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<v Speaker 3>response from like police stations or anybody that had any

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<v Speaker 3>like courts, right, Like you could usually go to courts

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<v Speaker 3>and get some type of documents things like that, but

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<v Speaker 3>the response back takes so long, and I want to

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<v Speaker 3>find a way to speed up that communication gap, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>How can I foster relationship with those counties and things

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<v Speaker 3>of that nature so that they are able to get

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<v Speaker 3>us what we need, so that we can help put

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<v Speaker 3>the word out with facts over feelings about a case

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<v Speaker 3>or about a missing child, and specifically focusing on brown

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<v Speaker 3>and black children. You know that that is what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>honing in on. So well, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that's a yeah, I think that's pretty pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you get started with deconstruction and doing deconstruction lives?

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<v Speaker 2>And oh so.

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<v Speaker 3>That was with my sister Rhea. So it you know

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<v Speaker 3>back in the day, Mama Africa, my good friend Andbria Rhea,

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<v Speaker 3>we used to go live and we would talk about

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<v Speaker 3>Christianity and how it is a colonistic, a colial colonialistic

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<v Speaker 3>basically death cult, right, how it just warps your brain.

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<v Speaker 3>And together we were like, this doesn't make sense to us,

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<v Speaker 3>but we wanted to have community. We didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>just be alone in our homes, you know, deconstructing this

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<v Speaker 3>by ourselves. So we started to host lives about real

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<v Speaker 3>topics about like, why is this god who belongs to

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<v Speaker 3>a different culture acceptable for somebody who looks like me? Right,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the benefit? Because all I see is slavery, kidnapping,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot of horrific things that have happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why we wanted to voice our opinions and

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<v Speaker 3>also see if other people were feeling the same way

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<v Speaker 3>that we're in the black community, but also other communities

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<v Speaker 3>as well, right, not just the Black community. And I

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<v Speaker 3>have found that, so you know, that's when I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of started looking at you. Ria put me on to

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<v Speaker 3>you thinker, which was awesome, and I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is where I want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But Ria and nine started together and she went viral

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<v Speaker 2>for asking that question if the oppressor and the oppress

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<v Speaker 2>are serving the same guy whose prayers are getting answered?

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<v Speaker 3>And I reached out to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, holy shit, somebody thinks like me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I reached out. I was like, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go live? And we went live that night and

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<v Speaker 2>I think you came in the same night.

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<v Speaker 3>She told me. She was like, she was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>met this lady named Thinker, and y'all when I tell

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<v Speaker 3>you she is the truth, I probably still have this

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<v Speaker 3>text message from it. But like, when you said she

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<v Speaker 3>is the truth, I was like, well, let me go

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<v Speaker 3>check her out, and we I think one of the

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<v Speaker 3>first couple of lives you have, Vessel was on there,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and they were talking about African spirituality and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, no, you can't go after African spirituality.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like no, because you were you were you

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of in that. Yeah, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was like, no, it still has some like

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<v Speaker 3>truth and now I'm like fuck it all, Like, oh well,

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<v Speaker 3>none of that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, yeah, Well, I'm glad to have you on

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<v Speaker 2>the show today. I'm really excited. We do have a

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<v Speaker 2>call waiting, so I'm gonna go ahead and get this

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<v Speaker 2>out the way. The Atheas Experience is a product of

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<v Speaker 2>the Atheist Community of Austin, five oh one c three

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<v Speaker 1>That it helps you to not keeps you.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first call today is with Hannah, who is a

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<v Speaker 2>pen theist. Is they want to talk about why pantheism

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<v Speaker 2>is true? Hannah, Hi, you're in the atheist experience.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well?

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<v Speaker 5>Can I just curtify something about my position really quick?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I think there's a linguistic confusion here. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>a pantheist. I'm a pen atheist.

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<v Speaker 2>A pen atheist. Oh okay, yes, okay, explain that for

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<v Speaker 2>me please.

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<v Speaker 5>So I believe that God is both. I believe all

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<v Speaker 5>of the physical universe is part of God. But then

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<v Speaker 5>God is also a transcendent of the physical universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And so you believe that all of the universe

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<v Speaker 2>is God, but God is also transcendent of the physical universe.

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<v Speaker 2>So God is bigger than the universe or beyond the universe.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So I just kind of wanted to explain why if

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<v Speaker 5>that's okay, and then if you could, you know, provide

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<v Speaker 5>why you don't accept that idea, that would also be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, go ahead and explain why.

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<v Speaker 5>So my argument is as follows. Premise one. There either

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<v Speaker 5>something is conceived through itself or it's conceived through something else.

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<v Speaker 5>Premise too. If something is conceived through something else, it

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<v Speaker 5>is an attribute and not a substance.

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<v Speaker 6>Premise three.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, let me write down your premises please. What

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<v Speaker 2>that Premise one is something is either conceived of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you said?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, these are conceived of itself, or it's conceived through

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<v Speaker 5>If it's conceived through something else, it's an attribute, and

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<v Speaker 5>if it's conceived through itself, it's a substance.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's conceived of itself as an attribute, And then

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<v Speaker 2>what is the second part if what.

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<v Speaker 5>If it's conceived of itself, it's a substance, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>conceived through something else, it's an attribute.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's a substance.

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<v Speaker 4>Three is.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, promistery is? No two substances considered can share the

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<v Speaker 5>same attributes, because if two substances share the same attributes,

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<v Speaker 5>then they would be the same substance. So substance necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>has to have a unique attribute that makes it a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Premise one.

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<v Speaker 5>The next premises there must be a necessary substance with

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, there must be a necessary substance to contain the

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<v Speaker 2>attribute because what.

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<v Speaker 5>Because nothingness doesn't exist to confound the substance?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Is that all?

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<v Speaker 5>And then the conclusion is, therefore there must be one

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<v Speaker 5>substance with infinite attributes that we call God.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm like, already I don't understand, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>already reject the conclusion because even if even if from

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that we would have to call that substance God.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 5>So the reason that I would call that substance God

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<v Speaker 5>is because if a substance has infinite attributes, then that

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<v Speaker 5>and and so and omni omnipotent, omnipresent and on the benevolent,

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<v Speaker 5>because those are all traits that follow from the necessity

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<v Speaker 5>of being infinite.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, would you say that whether was infinite and omnipresent?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, no, whether is not infinite but finite.

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<v Speaker 2>Like well, well, yeah, that's that's true. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>think that's true. Uh, let's see. I still don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that you would have to call the universe God.

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<v Speaker 5>But if it's infinite and it has infinite attributes, does

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but man, define the word God right like

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<v Speaker 2>and there are gods in antiquity or in history that

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<v Speaker 2>the properties that humans have given this idea of God

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<v Speaker 2>right of all knowing, right, you can't say that the

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<v Speaker 2>universe is all knowing.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the physical universe is not all knowing, but the

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<v Speaker 5>substance would have to be all knowing because of the

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<v Speaker 5>fact that the substance is infinite. That the substance is

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<v Speaker 5>infinite would have to contain all knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say this, but how would you know that? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>How would you know the knowledge that the universe holds?

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<v Speaker 1>Is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I couldn't know all of the knowledge that the

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<v Speaker 6>But I know.

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<v Speaker 5>But the reason I know that the existence as a

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<v Speaker 5>whole must now contain all knowledge is because, by definition,

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<v Speaker 5>if existence is infinite and it contains all knowledge, that's

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<v Speaker 5>what incinity means.

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<v Speaker 4>It means containing all.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't see how you can call it God though.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so we have an all knowing, all powerful substance

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<v Speaker 5>which created the physical universe?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that not God? When you say that, no, it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't understand how you're calling it God.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, has.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's maybe it's a matter of definition, but I

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<v Speaker 5>would say that if something is infinite and has all

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<v Speaker 1>But why does it have to be God?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't, I don't understand it. Like, would you

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<v Speaker 2>say life has all knowledge?

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<v Speaker 5>Life does not have all knowledge because life is finite.

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<v Speaker 2>It, but it does have like life is existence?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>No, life is not existence. Life is an attribute of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>So when something is alive, it doesn't exist. So when

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<v Speaker 2>someone is alive, right, they are existing?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and so this thing called existence, right, which is life?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say that it has all knowledge? Would you

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<v Speaker 2>say existence has all knowledge?

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<v Speaker 5>All of existence has all knowledge by definition?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And so existence is what you're calling God.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, specifically the substance that is infinite. I'm calling God.

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<v Speaker 2>The the substance that is infinite.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're calling.

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<v Speaker 2>Infinite I like, I don't, I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is unnecessary, Like it doesn't make sense to have

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<v Speaker 2>to call existence the substance of existence God or the

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<v Speaker 2>substance of the universe God.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's unnecessary and.

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<v Speaker 2>It definitely doesn't prove that it's the Christian God or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Abrahamic God.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm not arguing specifically for the Abrahemic God. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>arguing that God exists, And the reason that I'm calling

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<v Speaker 5>the infinite substance God is because it has the contribute

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<v Speaker 5>of being infinite and all knowing and all knowing. Infinite

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<v Speaker 5>being is God.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're calling the universe of being. Do you see

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? You're calling existence of being? You're calling

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<v Speaker 2>like it. I don't understand the need to do that, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, right that one could look at, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>attributes of the universe. That could look at the attributes

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<v Speaker 2>of nature and say, okay, this is what people consider.

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<v Speaker 1>To be God.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the universe doesn't doesn't make promises.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We could say that the universe has all knowledge. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't have any idea, uh, you know, of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to prove.

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<v Speaker 1>That or even tap into that.

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<v Speaker 2>We could say, you know, existence is omnipresent. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see the need right of calling it God. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even see the need of needing an idea of a God, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what what does.

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<v Speaker 3>That do for you?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? To me, the reason that it's important to name

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<v Speaker 5>the substance that is infinite and has infinite.

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<v Speaker 4>Attributes to God is.

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<v Speaker 5>Because traditionally God is conceived as that which is infinite

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<v Speaker 5>has all knowledge and created the physical universe. And because

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<v Speaker 5>of these things, I would consider that God. But this

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<v Speaker 5>is like a spinosis conception. But if you don't accept

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<v Speaker 5>that definition of God, that's fine. But many, but many

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<v Speaker 5>people would call that God.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they wouldn't. Many people think that God is actually

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<v Speaker 2>a being who can talk back to them.

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<v Speaker 1>The universe does not talk back.

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<v Speaker 2>The universe does not make promises, the universe does not

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally punish. That's not what people are calling God. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the issue that I'm having because I

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<v Speaker 2>can see, I can see the connection that you're making

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<v Speaker 2>with the omni properties. Right. I reject the need to

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<v Speaker 2>call it God because that is a a human concept

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<v Speaker 2>to UH that had that has basically been UH personified

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<v Speaker 2>to explain these things right within within this finite world.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense? So it's like it's anthropomorphizing the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>When you call it God.

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<v Speaker 5>If you don't want to call it, okay, So let

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<v Speaker 5>me ask you this. If you don't, if you don't

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<v Speaker 5>believe it's God, if you don't believe it should be

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<v Speaker 5>called God or named God, and fine, but do you

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<v Speaker 5>at least the acknowledge that the universe is incident and

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<v Speaker 5>must have infinite attributes because of the syllogism that I gave.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree right that the universe is infinite. I

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<v Speaker 2>agree that the universe would hold all knowledge, and like

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I said. The only thing I reject is

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<v Speaker 2>you calling it God.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So if you accept it it's incident that has

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<v Speaker 5>infinite attributes and that has all knowledge, then we then

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<v Speaker 5>I think essentially we philosophically agree, but I would disagree

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<v Speaker 5>in calling it God. So perhaps unless your co hosts

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<v Speaker 5>have something to say, I don't think I want to

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<v Speaker 5>continue this conversation because I don't think it would be

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<v Speaker 5>very productive in arguing semantics.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Zenna, do you have anything. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't see the point, Like, I don't. I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>the point of you needing to call it God because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like the universe is going to talk back

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<v Speaker 2>to you. It's not like the un of us has

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<v Speaker 2>promised you anything. Like it does not fit what most

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<v Speaker 2>people uh on their earth today is calling God and

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<v Speaker 2>is believing that they're engaging with like you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I just don't see the point.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I definitely look at the universe as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something that is infinite. It definitely will contain

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<v Speaker 2>all knowledge. I just don't think that we can engage

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<v Speaker 2>with it in a way where we can understand, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like what the universe is trying to say to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that if something already has a label,

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<v Speaker 3>if I feel like this is phil bro god of

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<v Speaker 3>the gaps, talk like this is this is how, this

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<v Speaker 3>is what I'm right, this is what I feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is because we understand and I do like this syllogism,

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<v Speaker 3>right that you know, you said that life has attributes

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<v Speaker 3>and you attribute those things to God. They seem to match, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But we already have a fundamental understanding of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we need to, like think or said, actually

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<v Speaker 3>have a being be at the center of that, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's weird. I don't know. Then I do agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this may be a good point to separate

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<v Speaker 3>ways if you want to, because you're not talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the Christian God, right, because we know that that God

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<v Speaker 3>does not exhibit all omni properties, even though people like

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<v Speaker 3>to label it with such. We have other gods, to

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<v Speaker 3>Thinker's point, that do not have the omni properties. So

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make life a god, it seems a little weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like you just don't like what we have now,

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<v Speaker 3>which is of you know, life is just experiencing time, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't, I don't get anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He's saying life is. I don't think he's saying life

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<v Speaker 2>is the God. I think he's saying the infinite of

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<v Speaker 2>the infinite attributes of the universe is life.

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<v Speaker 3>Like one of that is God.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's saying that that's the infinite attributes of the

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<v Speaker 2>innerverse of the universe is God. Is what makes it God?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's infinite, it contains all knowledge. But like what

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to know the why behind it? Though,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can help me understand that, I can understand

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<v Speaker 2>where argument is semantic here, but I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>the why, Like why do you need to call it God?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm interested in.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the main So just to clarify, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 5>one of the attributes of the universe is God. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>saying God is the same as.

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<v Speaker 4>All of existence, and you.

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<v Speaker 5>Can call that the universe, although not just the physical universe,

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<v Speaker 5>would be every attribute of the infinite.

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<v Speaker 6>Substance right out of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the reason I call what God is because historically

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<v Speaker 5>had considered this, you know, all encompassing, infant substance to

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<v Speaker 5>be God. And so because of this tradition, I basically

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<v Speaker 5>adopt the panantheist tradition. But if you just don't consider

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<v Speaker 5>that a form of God, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't feel like you need a god? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that like you don't feel you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't feel like you need to have an explanation for

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<v Speaker 2>your existence and it has to be a God.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't just be existence, So it can't just be.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying, I just can I'm saying I just consider

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<v Speaker 5>existence itself to be God. But if you don't accept

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<v Speaker 5>the definition, then we can we can move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Right When I said that earlier, you said that that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you were talking about. But I'm asking, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that you accept existence to be God. Existence is

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<v Speaker 1>Deny that right.

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<v Speaker 2>I just what I'm trying to understand is why it

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<v Speaker 2>can't just be called existence? Why do you need to

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<v Speaker 2>label it god? Is My question? Is it because it explains?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it answering some things for you? By calling it God.

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<v Speaker 5>So no, it's not because I feel the need to

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<v Speaker 5>have a relationship with it or call it God because

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<v Speaker 5>of that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's because of.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that historically things that have to try the

431
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<v Speaker 5>omnis and omni benevolent characteristics are called God.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Something that comes from Christianity though those that that's what

433
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, that comes from Christianity, and the Christian God

434
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<v Speaker 2>does not have those those properties. The Christian God does

435
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<v Speaker 2>not know all things. The Christian God is an omnipresent.

436
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 2>So like the these homni properties are not attributed to

437
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:08.079
<v Speaker 2>every God in history, those properties are attributed to the

438
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<v Speaker 2>Christian God.

439
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so then if that's the case, I think we're

440
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<v Speaker 5>just gonna have to agree to disagree about what to

441
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<v Speaker 5>call it. But I'm glad we agree that the universe

442
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 5>is infinite. So in the meanwhile, I wish you a

443
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<v Speaker 5>good day. But I don't think this is going to

444
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<v Speaker 5>be a very productive conversation.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, we're not, okay, have a good way. I

446
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 2>don't understand, Like, what's the point of calling in to

447
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>say the universe is infinite? Did we not know that already?

448
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:42.839
<v Speaker 1>And then like you need to call a.

449
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 2>God Like I don't understand that, and I think that's

450
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 2>the more interesting conversation.

451
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 3>But thank you for calling. Yeah, that's why I was like,

452
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 3>you're phil brow gout of the gaps, like you're just rewording,

453
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 3>remaking things fitting God where you want to. You reject

454
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Christian God, so you're literally making up your own God

455
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 3>by calling God the universe but with the attributes, right,

456
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 3>because he said I still have his syllogism that the

457
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>attributes that you're giving this God or giving the universe

458
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 3>this God does not have and does not consistently show,

459
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<v Speaker 3>So to say that it is a god, it's very weird,

460
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, and I didn't know what the

462
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<v Speaker 2>fuck to call the.

463
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think supremeatory is in the box on purpose?

464
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<v Speaker 2>Suprematory? Are you in the request on purpose?

465
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<v Speaker 3>On TikTok?

466
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<v Speaker 2>The events that happened in the within the other planets,

467
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm sure they don't call it weather, but there's

468
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 2>ship that happens, right, there's storms, meteorite showers and all that.

469
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>But so when you when that shit happens, it's not

470
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 2>called weather, but would you say that that is also omnipresent,

471
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>like ship like that happens all over the universe, right,

472
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't I got I don't. I don't

473
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<v Speaker 2>get it. I don't. I don't get the point in that,

474
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that he would not go into why

475
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<v Speaker 2>he needs it to why he needs to call it God,

476
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. All right, y'all go ahead and give

477
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 2>us a call at where's the number five one two

478
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>nine nine nine two four to two, or you can

479
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>go to TikTok and request we do want to talk

480
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:47.119
<v Speaker 2>about whether God is the ultimate debbe dad today. And

481
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<v Speaker 2>I think that in the the Vidic Kingdom time, he

482
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<v Speaker 2>would have gotten a gold medal because he helped his

483
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<v Speaker 2>son get up.

484
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, like that's what dads do. Like you're my son

485
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.680
<v Speaker 3>has just ran over somebody. My son ain't going to jail.

486
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<v Speaker 3>He's my favorite. I got money, honey, Like no, so yeah,

487
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 3>like his kids were what Samson? He possessing Sampson let

488
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.440
<v Speaker 3>him murk a whole bunch of people, got Abraham pimping people.

489
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<v Speaker 7>You know.

490
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<v Speaker 2>I saw a post on YouTube that talked about how

491
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<v Speaker 2>Abraham was a protective husband. Then they said David was

492
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<v Speaker 2>a righteous husband.

493
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<v Speaker 3>Don't make me laugh. How did you explain that Abraham

494
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<v Speaker 3>was a protective husband.

495
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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was one of those posts like I

496
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<v Speaker 2>didn't really you know what I did. I screenshot it

497
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<v Speaker 2>because you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna make

498
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<v Speaker 2>a video. Because Abraham pimped his wife, like there's no way,

499
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 2>like you pimped his wife. Then he taught his son

500
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.079
<v Speaker 2>how to pimp his wife, right. And then he had

501
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>a baby mama that he kicked out because his wife

502
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>got jealous of the baby mama. He kicked her out

503
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<v Speaker 2>and the child and sent them out with some bread

504
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and a kind of water, and they lived in the desert.

505
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>And then somehow his God goes ay, you gotta go.

506
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<v Speaker 2>You can't stay here, but I promise you, I'm gonna

507
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<v Speaker 2>take care of the baby. Down the line, he's gonna

508
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>get child's board. When Abraham died, he got nothing. When

509
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Abraham died, he did not get any of the inheritance.

510
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 2>But he was a protective husband, and why no.

511
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<v Speaker 5>And then.

512
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<v Speaker 2>The David, being a righteous husband.

513
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:43.240
<v Speaker 3>He cheated on his wives that he already had with

514
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Dshiba because him and that Sheeba were not married.

515
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 2>So he added uh, he just added Bethsheba to his

516
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>cerema wives like he just he after he abused his

517
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>power as king to sleep with her, to hide what

518
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 2>he did. He kills her husband and then just throws

519
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 2>her to the harem, like ask her to the horrem

520
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>of wines?

521
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<v Speaker 1>Where like, where are they getting this stuff from?

522
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 4>That?

523
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>These men were protective and righteous and it was it

524
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 2>was one more Joe. The only one I agreed with

525
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<v Speaker 2>was Joe. And they called him the enduring husband, and

526
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 2>he did. He was an enduring husband. He did endure.

527
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:30.119
<v Speaker 1>He did not die.

528
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>She washed his bulls.

529
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 3>He just told her.

530
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, women hushed her mouth. We just we serve

531
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:40.039
<v Speaker 2>God around here.

532
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 1>He did not.

533
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>God did not kill his wife. So I don't know

534
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.559
<v Speaker 2>if it was because of Joe. I don't know, but

535
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 2>he he endured to the end.

536
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, but didn't she have to go work and stuff?

537
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Like they don't know that.

538
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 1>They don't they don't know that.

539
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't need this up to it.

540
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, they don't know that, right. I'm just because she

541
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 3>was out there while he was, you know, busting boils

542
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 3>in his booty hole, like she was out there making

543
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 3>some stuff shape.

544
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, they don't know that though, you know, they

545
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>don't do no research, they don't.

546
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 2>They don't because I'm like sho, but it says he

547
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't endure, Like the only reason why they called him

548
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>the enduring husband is because his story is about faith.

549
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I they just be telling these people

550
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>anything and they just bite bite bite on it. Because

551
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 2>nowhere in this Bible where David and Bethsheba are seen

552
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 2>in love, like, you don't see that. And she takes

553
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 2>she becomes queen when Solomon uh becomes king, like she

554
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 2>becomes the queen mother, and Solomon puts her at his

555
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<v Speaker 2>right hand.

556
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 3>He bows to her in front of.

557
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Everybody, which was it's not supposed to happen. He bows

558
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to her in front of everybody. It makes her his

559
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>right hand, and she becomes the queen mother and she

560
00:33:58.359 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>runs the whole kingdom.

561
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<v Speaker 3>That's because she had she had a plan. She was

562
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 3>weighing David out. I think he spoke about that right

563
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 3>about it. Yes, yes, yes was bad. She was revenge

564
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 3>And I agree with that because you think you're gonna

565
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 3>make a fool out of me, but you're at your

566
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<v Speaker 3>I like that a lot.

567
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't know. And then I saw another

568
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<v Speaker 2>video where there was a pastor in a red he

569
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 2>had a blood red jacket on with some blood red shoes,

570
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about God. Don't get jealous of me because I

571
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>live in and mentioned my daddy take care of me.

572
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.480
<v Speaker 2>He said, don't get mad to me because I'm chosen.

573
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 4>He said.

574
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<v Speaker 2>When you see me, you see the incarnate of God.

575
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<v Speaker 3>As well, he's saying he don't like Paul because Paul

576
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 3>basically said the same ship. He said, you know, I

577
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.639
<v Speaker 3>forgive your sins, I bless you. That's what Paul was saying.

578
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.559
<v Speaker 3>We read that the other day. I'm like, ill, why

579
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>would you like, I never understand these pastors who come

580
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 3>and like they're all fancy and gussied up. Meanwhile, the

581
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 3>person that's sitting in the back pew had to take

582
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 3>three buses in a transfer just to get to your church.

583
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 3>And you're supposed are you blessing people? Are you helping

584
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 3>your congregation?

585
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Like that's weird, yeah, but that's why they tell them like,

586
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:28.320
<v Speaker 2>don't get jealous. Like they're literally talking to the poor

587
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>people that they're taking the money from, and they're like,

588
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>don't get jealous because I'm chosen. When you see me,

589
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>he said, when you see me, you see the incarnate

590
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>of God. And then what the oppressed does is they

591
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>stitch those videos and they go, that's not God.

592
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Your father is the devil.

593
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, no, Buck, it's not. That's stay daddy,

594
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 3>that's stay Daddy.

595
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<v Speaker 2>They get mad because the crazy thing about it is

596
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>is that what the pastor is saying it's true. That's

597
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the crazy thing.

598
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>What the pastor is saying.

599
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 3>It's true.

600
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 2>He's doing everything that this God says do and says

601
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>to do in this book. But you see the devil

602
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 2>when you see the pastor doing that, that's because of

603
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>your God.

604
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 3>You ever heard that song stunning like my daddy. You

605
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:20.800
<v Speaker 3>ain't never stun in like by daddy. I'm just studying

606
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 3>like my daddy age. So that's when you get off here.

607
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Go listen to that song and think about what we're

608
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 3>talking about, because they do it kind of stunt, just

609
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 3>like their daddy, which is God. And then when we

610
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<v Speaker 3>point out the crazy evil things that their daddy is doing,

611
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<v Speaker 3>or the fact that their daddy is showing favoritism to

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<v Speaker 3>them but not to others, Oh well, you know, he's

613
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 3>a special case. It's special. It's special. Okay, interesting, Well,

614
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<v Speaker 3>all right, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead and give us a call in.

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<v Speaker 2>shall live out. Make sure y'all feed the beasts, do

618
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<v Speaker 2>all those good things to help get some people.

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<v Speaker 3>In the room.

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<v Speaker 2>We are here with Zenamey and her submissive men shared.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go ahead and do these announcements. I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>forgetting as a new host.

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<v Speaker 2>would you like to be one of those attractive crew members,

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<v Speaker 2>in becoming a part of our production, so email volunteer

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<v Speaker 2>at atheistash community.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot org to get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Zina, tell us about the conversation. Have y'all

646
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<v Speaker 2>had conversations today about the God the Father?

647
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get to join y'all this morning.

648
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<v Speaker 3>So not about God the Father, but I have had

649
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<v Speaker 3>conversations about this before where I think last Father's Day,

650
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<v Speaker 3>I did ask why is God such a dead beat? Like,

651
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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's a lot of expectations we have for

652
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<v Speaker 3>human fathers, right, but unfortunately sometimes they just do not

653
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<v Speaker 3>step up to the plate. And it's just basic things

654
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<v Speaker 3>like buy some diapers, right, don't think that your babysitting

655
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<v Speaker 3>your child, spend time with your child, right? Financially, right,

656
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<v Speaker 3>be prefered financially to help me out with bills or

657
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<v Speaker 3>anything that comes with raising a child. And then I

658
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of compared it to the Bible, right, and I

659
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<v Speaker 3>was looking at how God provided for some children, but

660
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<v Speaker 3>he didn't provide for others. How he showed favoritism to

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<v Speaker 3>some and if a father was doing that on earth,

662
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<v Speaker 3>you would set them aside and say, hey, you're not

663
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<v Speaker 3>fostering a loving relationship with your other child, So how

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<v Speaker 3>do you expect right for your other child to see

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<v Speaker 3>you as a hero, to see you as somebody they

666
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<v Speaker 3>want to look up to. Right, I am that other child.

667
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<v Speaker 3>Your God, if it really cared for me as a father,

668
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<v Speaker 3>would show me his love. Right, respect my free will.

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<v Speaker 3>Right they like to call it free will. Respect my

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<v Speaker 3>free will, respect what I want to do. But the

671
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<v Speaker 3>thing is, it's not. It's going to condemn me. His

672
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<v Speaker 3>favorite children tell me I'm going to hell. His favorite

673
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<v Speaker 3>children say that my sexuality is a sin. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand why he neglects us and leads us to

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<v Speaker 3>our own devices when he says that he's not going

676
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<v Speaker 3>to there's a whole bunch, but it's confusing as hell. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they expect us to ignore that though.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and still call him good, still say that he's

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<v Speaker 2>a good father, which is like, have you ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>someone say that they don't talk bad about the other

681
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<v Speaker 2>parent in front of the parent, that in front of

682
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<v Speaker 2>the children, they don't talk about it about.

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<v Speaker 3>The parent that left in front of the children.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like that is how you know, we've been

685
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<v Speaker 2>taught to see the God like you can't despite the

686
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<v Speaker 2>fact that you know this God did not answer your

687
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 2>phone call when you prayed. You didn't, you know, get

688
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the Christmas gift that you wanted, the healing that you want.

689
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Like you can't talk bad about Bruno. You got to

690
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<v Speaker 2>pretend like he showed up to everything's given to every

691
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<v Speaker 2>birthday party, to every graduation. Right when you were sick,

692
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.079
<v Speaker 2>he was there giving you medicine. You don't have to pretend,

693
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<v Speaker 2>and you have to be both parts of the relationship

694
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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to this God being a.

695
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<v Speaker 3>Dad one hundred percent, And it makes me wonder about

696
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<v Speaker 3>this whole, like providing for us, and that's something that

697
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 3>I still can't wrap my head around. Right. A lot

698
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 3>of Christians like to say, well, God so loved the world,

699
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<v Speaker 3>and we know the other part he gave his only

700
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<v Speaker 3>begotten son. But if he's truly loving the world, why

701
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<v Speaker 3>won't he answer our prayers? And then he gets pissed

702
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 3>off when there are requests that we ask for, right,

703
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Like God, I need for you to clear out this hospital.

704
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<v Speaker 3>My cousin's in there. I've got other family, I've got friends.

705
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 3>I just see children who shouldn't have to experience their

706
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 3>last moments in debilitating pain. God, clear out this hospital.

707
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 3>I am your child. I'm coming to you as your child, right.

708
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<v Speaker 3>But he won't do it. God, I need this bill paid.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been working as hard as I can. You know

711
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<v Speaker 3>I've been doing my best. I've been saving money, but

712
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 3>it's just not enough. God. Can you provide for me

713
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.159
<v Speaker 3>like you promised? And just like a deadbeat father on earth,

714
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<v Speaker 3>just like one who says I'm gonna come next week

715
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<v Speaker 3>or I'm gonna get you that PlayStation, right, I promise

716
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.639
<v Speaker 3>you I'm gonna do it. When you see those promises

717
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 3>in the Bible not being fulfilled, who is to blame?

718
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<v Speaker 3>Who is to blame for God's negligence when he doesn't

719
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<v Speaker 3>do what he says, when he doesn't fulfill the prayer

720
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<v Speaker 3>that he says, I have the power to ask, ask

721
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<v Speaker 3>anything in my name, his weird little son said, right,

722
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<v Speaker 3>and it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, you have to tell yourself that you actually

724
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<v Speaker 2>didn't deserve it, like you can't say that he's not

725
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 2>fulfilling it. You have to say that you didn't deserve it,

726
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>or that he loves you so much. He didn't give

727
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<v Speaker 2>it to you because it would have been bad for you.

728
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>It would have hurt you in the long run for

729
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<v Speaker 2>you to get that job for one hundred thousand dollars

730
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 2>a year, and because he didn't give it to you,

731
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<v Speaker 2>because he knew that that would make you leave him.

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<v Speaker 2>And he loves you so much one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in your job would make you leave him, so he

734
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<v Speaker 2>kept you. He didn't give you eyeglasses like you prayed,

735
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and you prayed and asked him to bless your earthly

736
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<v Speaker 2>parents to be able to get you eyeglasses. He answered

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<v Speaker 2>that prayer because he thought, if you see the light,

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<v Speaker 2>you might see the room, what right, and you might

739
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<v Speaker 2>leave you.

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<v Speaker 3>The light that I see on the road is some

741
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<v Speaker 3>damn the break lights.

742
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<v Speaker 2>And I'd be like, oh, you know he had the

743
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<v Speaker 2>blind and Paul, he had the blind Paul. So Paul

744
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<v Speaker 2>didn't look over that. Calu is in my head right now.

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00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He was preaching today. He was he was reading and

747
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:26.760
<v Speaker 3>then you're reading a zeque old thinker. Okay, as a father,

748
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 3>this might kiss some of y'all off. But okay, as

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<v Speaker 3>a father, why would you refer to your children right

750
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<v Speaker 3>in a manner that is inappropriate?

751
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<v Speaker 2>Right?

752
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.119
<v Speaker 3>If I'm if I am a father to a child,

753
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<v Speaker 3>I would not talk about my child's body it in

754
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 3>inappropriate way. I would not talk about how I love

755
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.559
<v Speaker 3>my child so much? Ah Ezekiel sixteen.

756
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<v Speaker 2>Right. You know what that reminds me of, though, Ramula's

757
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<v Speaker 2>Romula's and remis like they were lived on the side

758
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<v Speaker 2>of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the twins, right, yeah, mm hmm, yeah, mm hmmm.

760
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<v Speaker 2>I found you.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh No, he like, I'm just saying, He's like, I

762
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<v Speaker 3>found you, you know, but you're you were already my daddy.

763
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<v Speaker 3>How are you finding me your child on the side

764
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<v Speaker 3>of the road. You're gonna clean me up, You're gonna

765
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<v Speaker 3>adorn me, you're gonna put fragrance on me, You're going

766
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<v Speaker 3>to take my virginity right, and then you're gonna get

767
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.159
<v Speaker 3>mad when I want to go explore the world. I

768
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<v Speaker 3>am your child. And another weird aspect to this whole

769
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<v Speaker 3>father thing is the fact that we are supposed to

770
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<v Speaker 3>be a bridegroom. So not only that as your child,

771
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 3>you're setting me up with your son. I'm supposed to

772
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<v Speaker 3>be marrying Jesus. The church is supposed to be marrying

773
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<v Speaker 3>it's brother. Like, that's weird to me. And the fact

774
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<v Speaker 3>that nobody else finds this weird that you know, he's

775
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<v Speaker 3>my husband and my brother. And if you believe in

776
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 3>the trinity, if you're a Trinitarian, he is also God

777
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<v Speaker 3>marrying his children. That's after up. Does nobody happen to.

778
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<v Speaker 2>Be talking about that?

779
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the unspeakable in the in the book.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like it.

781
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<v Speaker 3>It's very creepy. It's very creepy.

782
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to say, there is a call in

783
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<v Speaker 2>the screen room. I don't know if it's ready. Oh,

784
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<v Speaker 2>super insist is insane?

785
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Super? You see the chat?

786
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 2>That is insane?

787
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Hey on TikTok, y'all.

788
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<v Speaker 1>Is the is the always ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? This is Tom from Tech says they them, They

790
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<v Speaker 2>pronounced them. Tom says God is not only a dead

791
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<v Speaker 2>be dad, he abandons all creations. I would have to

792
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<v Speaker 2>agree with you there, Tom, Welcome to the atheist experience.

793
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<v Speaker 1>Any want to stalk this on them?

794
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? What's up? Tom? How are you doing today?

795
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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing all right?

796
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<v Speaker 7>This is uh.

797
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<v Speaker 4>I've been watching the show for like maybe like fifteen

798
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 4>or so odd years, and I just I felt like

799
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<v Speaker 4>calling in because.

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<v Speaker 6>It was dead and it's a dead conversation, so.

801
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<v Speaker 4>I thought I'd tried to contribute.

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00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, what are your thoughts? I heard that as they

803
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<v Speaker 3>were screaming you, you stated not only just to humans,

804
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<v Speaker 3>but our creation. And I've not even thought about the

805
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<v Speaker 3>little flouts that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's real, Like I don't, yeah, God, but like if

807
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<v Speaker 4>they what people say and there is some cosmic creation,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that they are currently watching the earth

809
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<v Speaker 4>and listening to our your podcast right now. I would

810
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 4>think that if something like that does exist out there,

811
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<v Speaker 4>and I don't, he would be moving on to much

812
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<v Speaker 4>interesting things. Like I work on stuff all the time,

813
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 4>and when I'm done with it, I don't go back

814
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 4>to it. I move on. And the just he is

815
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<v Speaker 4>a dead beat dad. He is a dead beat dad

816
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 4>in every sense of the word, like he abandons creations

817
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:33.639
<v Speaker 4>at best, at worst he torments them. But it is

818
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<v Speaker 4>interesting that there is such a is the previous color

819
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<v Speaker 4>Head was fascinated with still referring to the universe as

820
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<v Speaker 4>God and just like having this not affliction affinity for it,

821
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<v Speaker 4>even though there is not many redeeming qualities outside of

822
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<v Speaker 4>in the lore of the universe creating existence, which is like, sure,

823
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 4>we have existence, but it is just.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I was gonna say, I so far, I'm with you.

825
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 3>You've got me, right, because I think that you know,

826
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 3>sometimes we want things to be greater than ourselves, right,

827
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 3>we want things to be greater than our own understanding,

828
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<v Speaker 3>but we can't really put words to that, so we

829
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<v Speaker 3>just attach a label that feels most comfortable for us.

830
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<v Speaker 3>Right when it comes to God, I have again this

831
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<v Speaker 3>is kind of internal critique stuff, but I have such

832
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.599
<v Speaker 3>a gripe with this God that I tell people all

833
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<v Speaker 3>the time, Tom, if it comes right now, right here,

834
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<v Speaker 3>like man, knee caps are gone. I'm so serious because

835
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<v Speaker 3>you're right, Like, think about the fact that we've gone

836
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<v Speaker 3>from what global warming to global boiling? Right, We're at

837
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<v Speaker 3>a point of no return on this earth, on this planet,

838
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 3>and his children are literally trying to bring in his

839
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<v Speaker 3>coming without giving a crap about the earth. Right, How

840
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<v Speaker 3>is it okay for an all loving god to do

841
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<v Speaker 3>something like that? You don't even care that the zones

842
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<v Speaker 3>right the You know, my boyfriend, he does a lot

843
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<v Speaker 3>of gardening, and you know, I help. I'm smartt but

844
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<v Speaker 3>the zones have shifted, right, crops are going to fail

845
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<v Speaker 3>that this is going to be so detrimental to our

846
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<v Speaker 3>future children, you know, or anybody who's living in the

847
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<v Speaker 3>next twenty years. So I'm one hundred percent there with

848
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<v Speaker 3>you when you say that he doesn't care. And it's

849
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<v Speaker 3>not just humans, it's the whole big picture. We were

850
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<v Speaker 3>talking with somebody, I don't know if you were listening.

851
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<v Speaker 3>You were talking to somebody the other day about a

852
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:12.280
<v Speaker 3>theory about God. He created us and he just left,

853
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 3>He just abandoned us, like he put the story together right,

854
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 3>like a screenplay, and we're just kind of in PCs

855
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.480
<v Speaker 3>who are just acting things out. You don't have a

856
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 3>choice that you may starve tomorrow because you were born

857
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 3>in XYZ area. You don't have a choice that you

858
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 3>may not live tomorrow because you know you were you know,

859
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 3>unalive in a certain area, right Like, you don't have

860
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 3>those choices because God has already preordained and predestined and

861
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 3>just left. He's gone, So he's not going to save us.

862
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 3>So I've definitely heard a theory like that before tom

863
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.960
<v Speaker 3>and it might be real, might be true, but I.

864
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.360
<v Speaker 4>Don't know, I don't think it is. I think you're

865
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.239
<v Speaker 4>just here. And I was thinking to myself, and I

866
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.920
<v Speaker 4>don't mean to heal turned too much with this, but

867
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 4>I when I was younger, like I'm in my thirties,

868
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 4>like I used to be like this big debate bro

869
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 4>with religion. And as I've gotten older, I've been less

870
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.800
<v Speaker 4>argumentative with people about that because I feel like we're

871
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 4>fighting with each other when the people who are causing

872
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 4>the global warming, the people that are causing the hunger,

873
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:41.159
<v Speaker 4>are just profiting by us fighting with each other over

874
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 4>frivolous things like an imaginary creature in the sky, and

875
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:53.840
<v Speaker 4>the problems persist. And I just wish that we could

876
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 4>be able to put aside like these beliefs that are

877
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 4>don't matter in the grand scheme of things and actually

878
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:08.360
<v Speaker 4>fight against the people who are causing real harm in

879
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 4>our everyday world. Because a lot of these calls it's

880
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.519
<v Speaker 4>not going to be productive. But if we could all

881
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.159
<v Speaker 4>band together and actually fight against the people who are

882
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 4>causing global and causing human suffering, causing problems with these

883
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 4>data centers that they are building, even here in Texas.

884
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 7>Like.

885
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 4>We could be able to make real progress. And it's

886
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 4>just frustrating, as I age, just we don't bring the

887
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 4>fight to the big people.

888
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I agree, which is why I don't typically do debates

889
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 2>on my show. I focus on discussing so that we

890
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>can get.

891
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 6>To the I'm sorry, but I didn't mean I'm sorry to.

892
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 4>Interrupt you again. I'm sorry.

893
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me.

894
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. The website is kind of finicky. Oh but yeah,

895
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 4>I apologize. The website was kind of cynicchy, But I

896
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 4>just I didn't mean to say that they I understand discussion,

897
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:30.679
<v Speaker 4>but just.

898
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, I didn't take offense to it. I'm

899
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.159
<v Speaker 2>saying I agree that I think that the the base

900
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:41.639
<v Speaker 2>can be fun, but I don't think that it provides

901
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>room to get to the nitty gritty of the problem. First,

902
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.199
<v Speaker 2>I identifying what's causing it, kind of trying to help

903
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 2>take the fog off of people's minds right when it

904
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:01.760
<v Speaker 2>comes to what we're uh experienced seeing in society, and

905
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of helping them see the two connections. Like I

906
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily focus on saying you you don't need to

907
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>believe it in God, I'm like, hey, look do you

908
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.119
<v Speaker 2>see how these two things are connected. To try to

909
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:17.360
<v Speaker 2>help them see how they are contributing to their own

910
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>oppression or.

911
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Their own hunger.

912
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Illnesses, you know, global warming, the things that they're advocating for,

913
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 2>and how those that are in power are using this belief,

914
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 2>these sacred texts in order to drive these things, even

915
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:46.559
<v Speaker 2>driving cultural wars, to keep us fighting with each other,

916
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.559
<v Speaker 2>even about the existence of a god, as they continue

917
00:55:50.639 --> 00:56:00.480
<v Speaker 2>to you know, push these harmful behaviors even further.

918
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

919
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 2>So, like, I try to focus more on discussing the issue,

920
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:17.000
<v Speaker 2>in discussing how the belief affects society rather than ha,

921
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:18.920
<v Speaker 2>how you have a belief in God?

922
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:27.719
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, again, I wasn't to did not mean to

923
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:29.760
<v Speaker 4>be pointing fingers. That was not mine.

924
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't think you were pointing fingers.

925
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:41.079
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, do you think that we will actually have

926
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.320
<v Speaker 4>change in our lifetime or do you think we'll be

927
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 4>able to move the needle?

928
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Not in my lifetime? How do I'm forty I'll be

929
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:55.039
<v Speaker 1>forty six this year.

930
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we will see thank you.

931
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 1>It's actually in a couple of weeks.

932
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Really, Yeah, that's exciting. I hope you have fun.

933
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. So I think we're starting to see

934
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the needle move a little bit, not the way that

935
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of us will hope where we

936
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>see this massive exodus outside of belief altogether, not just Christianity, but.

937
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Within my community.

938
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It is exciting to see the door open up to

939
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.960
<v Speaker 2>where we can take a breath and say, hey, I'm atheist,

940
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 2>where we couldn't before. And so that is a needle

941
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>being moved. I will say, but I think we're looking

942
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe one hundred to one hundred and fifty more year.

943
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:51.119
<v Speaker 3>That is mm hm, yeah, I don't think that, and

944
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.760
<v Speaker 3>I hate to be pessimistic, but I think there's going

945
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 3>to be a rubber band effect where they are going

946
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 3>to try to come down very hard on speech, on

947
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:07.119
<v Speaker 3>people who look like me, people like you, Tom, people

948
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:11.400
<v Speaker 3>like Thinker Kelly, like that are outspoken. If you are

949
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you are, som but that are

950
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:19.000
<v Speaker 3>outspoken about the fact. And that's okay, that's okay, that

951
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.760
<v Speaker 3>is Look, we all start somewhere, right. But I think

952
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.960
<v Speaker 3>that the more that we have these platforms, the more

953
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 3>that they're gonna come and combat and push back on

954
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we are again, to Thinker's point, not

955
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 3>just saying nan any booboo your God sucks, but looking

956
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 3>at the history of the God, looking at the history

957
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.400
<v Speaker 3>and the creation of the character Jesus, right, looking at

958
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 3>how it influences us every day, and exposing people to

959
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 3>that fact that you're praying to a god, but he

960
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 3>isn't doing anything for you, You're doing it yourself. And

961
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 3>not to sound woogoo, but I think the power that

962
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 3>be don't want people to have self confidence. They need sheep,

963
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.679
<v Speaker 3>they don't need leaders, right, yeah. They don't want people

964
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:16.639
<v Speaker 3>to find confidence and power with sorry, with empower within themselves.

965
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:22.119
<v Speaker 3>So this when you're deconstructing I think Christianity and any

966
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 3>of the Abrahamic religions, you really are calling power back

967
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.760
<v Speaker 3>to yourself. You're saying God didn't work hard and buy

968
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:34.679
<v Speaker 3>this car I did, right, But the Christian God is

969
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 3>very much and it appeals to authority. When you stop

970
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 3>doing that, now, the government has an issue, or not

971
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 3>the government, sorry, but the powers that be have an issue.

972
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Right.

973
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 3>So that's why I don't think that we're going to

974
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:59.320
<v Speaker 3>see a real big change right until and I agree

975
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.039
<v Speaker 3>with thinkers time at least one hundred to one hundred

976
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 3>and fifty years where there's not I think what two

977
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.199
<v Speaker 3>percent of atheists in the country or whatever that number is.

978
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm probably wrong in that, and I apologize, but that

979
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 3>percentage will increase. But you know, as long as people

980
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.960
<v Speaker 3>are speaking to this God, as long as people are

981
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:28.119
<v Speaker 3>going and paying pastors to tell them that they're wretched

982
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 3>slaves and they deserve to have their money taken from them,

983
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 3>it's never going to die out. It's always going to

984
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:43.639
<v Speaker 3>be a problem. But I think we have hope. I

985
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 3>have hope.

986
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.039
<v Speaker 4>I just wish I had better health care so I

987
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.000
<v Speaker 4>could see that one hundred and fifty years from now.

988
01:00:54.400 --> 01:01:00.320
<v Speaker 4>But I just hope for the next generation, like I

989
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 4>see them.

990
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, the younger generation now being more willing to question,

991
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:10.880
<v Speaker 2>even though some of them are still believers. They're willing

992
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.119
<v Speaker 2>to push back on things that don't make sense to them,

993
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and they're willing to reject it outright, even though they

994
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.480
<v Speaker 2>are still kind of like hanging on to tradition. And

995
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:29.119
<v Speaker 2>some of them, the younger men, are being indoctrinated into

996
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:29.920
<v Speaker 2>a new.

997
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Form of.

998
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Belief. Yes, and they and they're still hanging on to

999
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:45.880
<v Speaker 2>this God because the God UH defines in UH this masculinity,

1000
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 2>and it UH gives it authority and so even though

1001
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 2>they don't necessarily, you know, hold to the fairy tales,

1002
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 2>like the mythologies, they still have gone to the idea

1003
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.199
<v Speaker 2>of the God, the Christian God, giving them this authority

1004
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of being the one with dominion on earth. And they're

1005
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:11.000
<v Speaker 2>going after younger males.

1006
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very vulnerable.

1007
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 2>And so I will say that I've seen a lot

1008
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:23.679
<v Speaker 2>of young men even push back. It's about probably fifty

1009
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:26.400
<v Speaker 2>to fifty right now pushing back even on that. And

1010
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.960
<v Speaker 2>so I have hope in the younger crew. Most of

1011
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 2>my children are atheists. I have one that is a

1012
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Christian and one that I identifies as spiritual.

1013
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 1>But I did not raise them in the church.

1014
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.159
<v Speaker 2>The same way that I was, even though when they

1015
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 2>were younger we did. And then even though we didn't

1016
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:53.880
<v Speaker 2>go to church, they saw me praying right, but I

1017
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:56.880
<v Speaker 2>still didn't push what I believed on them. And then

1018
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:00.360
<v Speaker 2>when they saw me deconstructing, I still I allowed them

1019
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to ask their questions. I allowed them to go uh

1020
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>through their process of critical thinking and and then where

1021
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 2>they felt made the most sense for them. And I

1022
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.239
<v Speaker 2>see a lot of the youth doing that, especially like

1023
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the ones that come up and talk on Tuesday nights.

1024
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I have eighteen and up and allow the youth to

1025
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.199
<v Speaker 2>be a part of the conversation because I don't talk

1026
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to people's kids about faith. But when they're eighteen and up,

1027
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:32.920
<v Speaker 2>come up like they're so bright and well not for

1028
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.360
<v Speaker 2>some reason, the males are not. They come up that

1029
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.719
<v Speaker 2>they're so filled with not the not all of them.

1030
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Most of the young eighteen year olds are already filled

1031
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.679
<v Speaker 2>with like the masculinity right, and they want to fight

1032
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 2>about what it means to be a man instead of

1033
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 2>talking about the topics. But the young the young girls

1034
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.039
<v Speaker 2>that come up with the young men, I mean the

1035
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:53.480
<v Speaker 2>young women.

1036
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Speaker 1>They they're already.

1037
01:03:56.039 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Thinking about the future and how this is going to

1038
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:05.440
<v Speaker 2>affect us from years to come. So like I'm I'm

1039
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 2>really really excited about about this age group, and I

1040
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 2>think they are going to end up being the ones

1041
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that's going to usher in the largest change. But we

1042
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.760
<v Speaker 2>have quite a ways to go with them. I think

1043
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be how they raise their kids. It's

1044
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.719
<v Speaker 2>really going to do it well.

1045
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.440
<v Speaker 4>I think what you're doing with your kids, even the

1046
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:28.159
<v Speaker 4>one who is starting to go into the spiritual route,

1047
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:33.800
<v Speaker 4>is a good thing. I've always believed that as people,

1048
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:38.599
<v Speaker 4>we just have to instill the best qualities that we

1049
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:44.000
<v Speaker 4>have and tell them to the next generation and let

1050
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:48.360
<v Speaker 4>them decide, have the freedom to decide what they want

1051
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.800
<v Speaker 4>to do with that information, and then kind of like

1052
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:58.000
<v Speaker 4>foreign prison. Barack Obama actually said a little while ago,

1053
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.719
<v Speaker 4>to get the help out of their way and let

1054
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 4>them pay with their own path.

1055
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:05.320
<v Speaker 3>And I.

1056
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.679
<v Speaker 4>Wish more people thought like that, because I do have

1057
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.559
<v Speaker 4>faith that as time goes on, things will get better.

1058
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.199
<v Speaker 4>It's fucking slow, and I'm sorry for cursy.

1059
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 1>No, you don't have the cursy. It's fucking slow, it is.

1060
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:24.599
<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking this morning, like I wish like

1061
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.000
<v Speaker 2>all of these older people who are about to, like

1062
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, get on the bus out of here, are

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01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to turn the clock back to make people who

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01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:41.039
<v Speaker 2>are still here experience what they experienced on vacation, Like

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01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:48.280
<v Speaker 2>why why does why does my vacation have to be

1066
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.159
<v Speaker 2>like yours? And you getting ready to leave and go

1067
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 2>back home. You see what I'm saying. And it's because

1068
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:01.519
<v Speaker 2>what's happening right now. The world that we need to

1069
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:07.000
<v Speaker 2>get back to is a world that these older people

1070
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 2>lived a long time ago, and they're almost done. And

1071
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I hate to say it that way, But that trip

1072
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:18.280
<v Speaker 2>is almost over, and what we should be doing is

1073
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:27.639
<v Speaker 2>making sure that we leave the airbnb and a better condition. Yeah,

1074
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:31.960
<v Speaker 2>then we left it right so that the people coming

1075
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.320
<v Speaker 2>in next can have a better experience, can enjoy and

1076
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:37.239
<v Speaker 2>have a bun experience, and be saying, but that's not

1077
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.800
<v Speaker 2>what's happening. What's happening is the people who stayed in

1078
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 2>the airbnb go, oh, I.

1079
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Like it this way, so I'm gonna change everything.

1080
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna fuck all this up, fuck innovation, right, everybody

1081
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:51.280
<v Speaker 2>ain't got to eat. I'm taking the food for myself. Like,

1082
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:55.599
<v Speaker 2>that's what's happening right now, and we've got to stop

1083
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.679
<v Speaker 2>it or else the babies that they keep saying that

1084
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:05.079
<v Speaker 2>we need to have because abortion is wrong, where they're

1085
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna they're not gonna have anywhere to live, They're gonna

1086
01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.960
<v Speaker 2>have any food to eat, they're gonna have clean air

1087
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to breathe. Because all these old people who had a

1088
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, awesome time when they were younger want

1089
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to force everybody else to.

1090
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Live like them.

1091
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:30.039
<v Speaker 4>It's not even that they had an awesome time, it's

1092
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 4>they are having an awesome time in their old years,

1093
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 4>and the only way for them to stay like that,

1094
01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:40.000
<v Speaker 4>and for their buddies who are younger than them, and

1095
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:44.400
<v Speaker 4>when I say younger in their sixties, can be able

1096
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.960
<v Speaker 4>to have that same fun time is just keeping everything

1097
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:53.039
<v Speaker 4>down for the rest of us. And they just have

1098
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:58.840
<v Speaker 4>to keep the world being, people being oppressed, people having

1099
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.760
<v Speaker 4>to struggle so they can be able to profit and

1100
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.199
<v Speaker 4>be able to have that one percent of one percent lifestyle,

1101
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:09.840
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of us are just trying to get by.

1102
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.679
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know how many people are listening right now,

1103
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:20.239
<v Speaker 4>or and or if there's people behind me in the queue,

1104
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:25.800
<v Speaker 4>but if there is nobody and you are listening to

1105
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:29.600
<v Speaker 4>this right now, your voice matters. Please call in on

1106
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:30.079
<v Speaker 4>the show.

1107
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.479
<v Speaker 6>Your voice matter is just as much.

1108
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:34.680
<v Speaker 4>Of mine, if not more. If you're younger than the

1109
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.279
<v Speaker 4>please call in. We'd love to hear from you. And

1110
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:40.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to get the fuck out of the way.

1111
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:46.319
<v Speaker 4>I stand by that, I believe by that, but.

1112
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

1113
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 6>Thank you for that.

1114
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:53.520
<v Speaker 3>You brought us some really good points that I think

1115
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:55.800
<v Speaker 3>is kind of something that's rolling around in all of

1116
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.920
<v Speaker 3>our minds right now, the future and what it's going

1117
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.840
<v Speaker 3>to look like in what legacy are we going to

1118
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:02.439
<v Speaker 3>leave behind.

1119
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:08.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I won't take up your time if.

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01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's kind of weird because we don't have

1121
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.720
<v Speaker 2>any callers today waiting.

1122
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, fucking damn it. Mother.

1123
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.479
<v Speaker 2>I know, like this is weird. Maybe everybody's out celebrating

1124
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:24.880
<v Speaker 2>their day. Everybody got dads.

1125
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden.

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01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:28.359
<v Speaker 3>I to say, maybe they're not so much dead feats

1127
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.119
<v Speaker 3>so well.

1128
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm it's maybe not the best traffic, or maybe after

1129
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:38.560
<v Speaker 4>dad's go to bed people might call in. I don't

1130
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:40.880
<v Speaker 4>know if you're doing this all day, I don't know.

1131
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:46.560
<v Speaker 4>Uh uh if you guys you said you had a kid,

1132
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you're celebrating Father's Day or if

1133
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:50.000
<v Speaker 4>you did that already.

1134
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm my grandmother.

1135
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh mine is with his father.

1136
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:58.840
<v Speaker 6>How are you having grandchildren?

1137
01:09:59.199 --> 01:09:59.960
<v Speaker 4>How can you afford?

1138
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.079
<v Speaker 6>How do your children afford to have children?

1139
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.239
<v Speaker 2>My oldest said is twenty three. I have he has

1140
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:06.840
<v Speaker 2>two kids.

1141
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Older son is twenty three. Oh my goodness, that is wild.

1142
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My youngest is age to be eighteen, and next

1143
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.880
<v Speaker 2>week I was will be my youngest will be eighteen

1144
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:17.319
<v Speaker 2>this week.

1145
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:18.439
<v Speaker 4>Big time for birthdays.

1146
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but.

1147
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:25.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Somebody commented on one of the videos and was

1148
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.039
<v Speaker 2>like think her, saying that she's she's getting ready to

1149
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.720
<v Speaker 2>be forty six, means she's almost fifty, says something about her.

1150
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what yet, and I'm like, he said.

1151
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.399
<v Speaker 2>You're aging. Why am I closer to fifty or not?

1152
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:41.560
<v Speaker 6>Like people I know?

1153
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.680
<v Speaker 4>That means, let me explain for the young people watching. Look,

1154
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.840
<v Speaker 4>we're not bad people as we get older. The problem

1155
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.279
<v Speaker 4>is things stop working.

1156
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:55.680
<v Speaker 6>Bones are creaking things like we want to be fun

1157
01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:56.560
<v Speaker 6>and young, like.

1158
01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.119
<v Speaker 4>We most of us here, and like the people in

1159
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:03.279
<v Speaker 4>the chat were people, not old. Old people are bad people.

1160
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.720
<v Speaker 4>It's just some people that are good just don't move

1161
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:08.840
<v Speaker 4>the same as they used.

1162
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:09.920
<v Speaker 6>To, and we want to.

1163
01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:14.039
<v Speaker 4>I used to go to conventions and walk the floors

1164
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:18.199
<v Speaker 4>for an entire weekend, or go to vestivals, and uh,

1165
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.680
<v Speaker 4>I can't do that without medication anymore. But I do.

1166
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:22.279
<v Speaker 6>Right.

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01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna hold you when I get older. I

1168
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.439
<v Speaker 3>just want to have like my little nice house with

1169
01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 3>a porch and a rock chair and a little baby

1170
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:36.920
<v Speaker 3>right there on my shoulder to you know, just get

1171
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:40.520
<v Speaker 3>off of my line, like that's that's the dream. I'm

1172
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.079
<v Speaker 3>not gonna hold you. That ain't gonna help me.

1173
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I would never tell the kid to get off no, not.

1174
01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:50.319
<v Speaker 3>My babies, not my babies, but maybe the mailman come

1175
01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:52.119
<v Speaker 3>get go away.

1176
01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I told you my day's our neigh would be trivia.

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01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:55.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

1178
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand the little old ladies and be like

1179
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.439
<v Speaker 2>we're telling a toddler don't step on my grass, like

1180
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a toddler a child.

1181
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:03.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

1182
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

1183
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:06.279
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll tell you this. Don't live in like a

1184
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:11.279
<v Speaker 4>homeowner's association or oh never kind of places. Yeah, those

1185
01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:13.880
<v Speaker 4>are the worst. Like if you hate your neighbors, Like,

1186
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.920
<v Speaker 4>you don't hate your neighbors until you live in a

1187
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:17.600
<v Speaker 4>homeowners association. I've heard.

1188
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:20.079
<v Speaker 3>I used to live in one. I really do.

1189
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 2>I love my neighbors. I never had any problems with them.

1190
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:33.119
<v Speaker 4>My parents got sued by their neighbors. Crazy man thought

1191
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 4>that his house was flooding because of my mother's garden.

1192
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.000
<v Speaker 4>He was alone. People that live in a homeowners and

1193
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:48.920
<v Speaker 4>station and are basically like vocational spots like Florida. Like

1194
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:56.000
<v Speaker 4>people don't go to Florida to retire and be.

1195
01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:57.439
<v Speaker 6>Old and just do that.

1196
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.399
<v Speaker 4>They do that to go there, retire the old plane

1197
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:04.760
<v Speaker 4>and just never retired to Florida. You're just gonna feel

1198
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:05.880
<v Speaker 4>older than you actually are.

1199
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:09.479
<v Speaker 6>But being fifty it's not a bad thing.

1200
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.359
<v Speaker 4>It just things are gonna not just be working as

1201
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:17.039
<v Speaker 4>much as they used to. So I'm only.

1202
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.359
<v Speaker 6>Thirty and I fear fifty, but not for just being old.

1203
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.720
<v Speaker 4>It just feeling old. That's the worst part.

1204
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:28.439
<v Speaker 3>You said you're always thirty.

1205
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:36.600
<v Speaker 4>Thirty two, although I was twenty three years I mean, well.

1206
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.800
<v Speaker 3>You feel that first knee crack? Friend, let me know,

1207
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:43.359
<v Speaker 3>because both of my knees are cracking now, and I'm like, oh.

1208
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.720
<v Speaker 6>Do you think if I was like healthy thirty two,

1209
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:47.840
<v Speaker 6>I'd be calling in on the.

1210
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:54.439
<v Speaker 4>Station though, like my body is broken. So I'm just oh,

1211
01:13:55.239 --> 01:14:02.279
<v Speaker 4>mysmit by car like three times. Oh wow, yeah yeah,

1212
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:06.800
<v Speaker 4>uh I it has not been an easy life for me,

1213
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:14.439
<v Speaker 4>but uh not with the like unsafe drivers that live

1214
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:20.720
<v Speaker 4>in uh Texas and the bad healthcare. But I do

1215
01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:25.039
<v Speaker 4>what I can. But yeah, just people get old. It's

1216
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 4>the thing about getting old. It's not about uh in

1217
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.600
<v Speaker 4>the judgment that young people have about people getting old.

1218
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:36.439
<v Speaker 4>It's not about uh. It's about how you age with

1219
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.600
<v Speaker 4>grace and not be old and bitter or old and

1220
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:48.039
<v Speaker 4>unwilling to let young people go on and like do

1221
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:53.159
<v Speaker 4>their own part. Their own path. You have to get

1222
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 4>the fuck out of the way as you get old,

1223
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.560
<v Speaker 4>and it's I hear it's as people get older, it's

1224
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:02.279
<v Speaker 4>very alluring to tell people how to do things, and

1225
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:09.920
<v Speaker 4>I I even try to give my advice. But like,

1226
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 4>the best thing you can is tell them what you've found,

1227
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:16.880
<v Speaker 4>but you can't force it on them, and you have

1228
01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:17.760
<v Speaker 4>to let them.

1229
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.359
<v Speaker 6>Find out their path and life.

1230
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:24.880
<v Speaker 4>Hope that they don't just teach them the mistakes that

1231
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 4>you made, but don't tell them how to go about

1232
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.000
<v Speaker 4>their lives. That's the key thing.

1233
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if they will listen, that's the main thing.

1234
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:42.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, then keep it keeping their ears. Then they'll make

1235
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:43.640
<v Speaker 6>the same mistakes.

1236
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:45.039
<v Speaker 4>But then they might look back and then they can

1237
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:49.760
<v Speaker 4>try and again the needle will move slowly like one

1238
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.960
<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty years, like you said, But just we

1239
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:56.960
<v Speaker 4>can try. But we have to leave the air B

1240
01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.960
<v Speaker 4>and B in a better place, or if we can't

1241
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.119
<v Speaker 4>leave it in a better place than just the way

1242
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:05.760
<v Speaker 4>we left it, because we came into this world and

1243
01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:07.880
<v Speaker 4>while it's not a perfect world, we were able to

1244
01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:13.800
<v Speaker 4>come into it and we just need to hope that

1245
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.359
<v Speaker 4>the next people can do a better job cleaning the

1246
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 4>Airbnb than us, and the least we can all do

1247
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:24.359
<v Speaker 4>is not ship on the floor before we leave.

1248
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's true. I like that analogy, but it made

1249
01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:34.319
<v Speaker 2>me think of some people who I'm not.

1250
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 4>Going to say any names, but hold on, hold on

1251
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:38.319
<v Speaker 4>one second.

1252
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:40.279
<v Speaker 3>What are you telling me?

1253
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:43.000
<v Speaker 4>You know somebody that did you go to an Airbnb

1254
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:44.880
<v Speaker 4>and you found like some much ship on the floor?

1255
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:45.520
<v Speaker 4>What the heck?

1256
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:47.880
<v Speaker 1>No they on my stage.

1257
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.840
<v Speaker 4>Are you saying that your co host shipped on the

1258
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:51.880
<v Speaker 4>floor in an Airbnb?

1259
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:52.800
<v Speaker 6>No?

1260
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:58.720
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, we have left in the same place together.

1261
01:16:59.079 --> 01:16:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not.

1262
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:00.359
<v Speaker 5>No.

1263
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:06.279
<v Speaker 2>But on TikTok, a believer came on my stage, turned

1264
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.319
<v Speaker 2>their camera on and shipped it in the camera in

1265
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the name of Jesus.

1266
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh lovely, lovely.

1267
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:13.880
<v Speaker 6>I didn't know.

1268
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.760
<v Speaker 4>So I'm on YouTube, so thankfully I don't get to see.

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01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.000
<v Speaker 4>I was going to say that ship but like that

1270
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:20.279
<v Speaker 4>would have been really after pro.

1271
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah god, I.

1272
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.079
<v Speaker 4>Mean, thank god I'm not on TikTok. That's that's yeah.

1273
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:33.560
<v Speaker 4>So did they ship on the lens or like, because

1274
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:34.159
<v Speaker 4>they're gonna have to.

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01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Clean that, they bent over in the camera and dropped one, and.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, I'll give them this impressive aim good joke,

1277
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:48.760
<v Speaker 4>like like it would be for them if they missed,

1278
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:49.720
<v Speaker 4>and then it hit the floor.

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01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:52.720
<v Speaker 2>We were mortified and I get took as a second

1280
01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:53.880
<v Speaker 2>to get through that because it was.

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01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.600
<v Speaker 4>I would have ended the show personally, I think, like,

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01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:00.439
<v Speaker 4>you know what's like, I think we're to call it

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01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:01.680
<v Speaker 4>there because.

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01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:06.560
<v Speaker 6>But uh, I really shot on their phone.

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01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.319
<v Speaker 4>I try to keep my phone safe, like I kind

1286
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.159
<v Speaker 4>of divide new phones all the time, like people are

1287
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:16.800
<v Speaker 4>fucking shitting on their phones, and I need to know

1288
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.560
<v Speaker 4>what that person's like a career background, is that he

1289
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 4>can just shit on the phone and.

1290
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Just it's gross.

1291
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:27.479
<v Speaker 2>But the things that people would do in the name

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01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:30.319
<v Speaker 2>of their belief is in fucking insane.

1293
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:36.640
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, spoken and is moving through me, and it

1294
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:39.960
<v Speaker 4>is moving through my bowels, and it needs to commune

1295
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:44.000
<v Speaker 4>Q through my camera lens. So that was actually the

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01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:45.000
<v Speaker 4>lord's poop.

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01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:48.319
<v Speaker 2>Trying to yeah exactly.

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01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:52.760
<v Speaker 4>It did not through though, because the connection.

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01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:56.960
<v Speaker 1>It looks like we do have two calls. We have

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01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.720
<v Speaker 1>one call in Q and then one on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 4>But I enjoyed talking with your family.

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01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Tom. I hope you have a

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01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:06.680
<v Speaker 1>great rest of the day as well.

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01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.279
<v Speaker 4>He was well bye. Bye bye bye.

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01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:15.279
<v Speaker 1>That was a good conversation.

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01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.279
<v Speaker 3>It absolutely was. Yeah, TikTok be wilidh.

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01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was crazy. Uh Sama Zama wat.

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01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.800
<v Speaker 8>Zama sim zan Zama is fine, Zama, thank you?

1309
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:37.279
<v Speaker 2>How are you?

1310
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:40.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm good thinking?

1311
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:41.079
<v Speaker 2>How aught you guys?

1312
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:43.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing good, doing good?

1313
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:46.960
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on the topic today?

1314
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:51.600
<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:54.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm okay?

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01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:54.479
<v Speaker 7>How are you?

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01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:56.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm very well.

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01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:04.479
<v Speaker 8>Okay, so thinking and Zina, I'm here just as a

1319
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:10.560
<v Speaker 8>very engaged person in all of the platforms you guys

1320
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:16.600
<v Speaker 8>are on. I'm South African and I have learned a

1321
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:23.000
<v Speaker 8>lot from everything that you guys have engaged in all

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01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:23.560
<v Speaker 8>the time.

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01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:24.640
<v Speaker 6>Right.

1324
01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:31.159
<v Speaker 8>I turned forty on the seventeenth of June, and my

1325
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:35.920
<v Speaker 8>I thank you, thank you, thank you, Sina. And my

1326
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:41.960
<v Speaker 8>biggest fear was going back home and engaging with a

1327
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:48.800
<v Speaker 8>family that is very Christian, right, and they.

1328
01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Are really just.

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01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:56.039
<v Speaker 8>Pushing it down my throat, this is who you are,

1330
01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:59.520
<v Speaker 8>and this is who you've been all the time. And

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01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.479
<v Speaker 8>I don't think that's who I've been all this time.

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01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:10.199
<v Speaker 8>And my hurt is I don't want to disappoint my mother,

1333
01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:14.319
<v Speaker 8>especially because she's in a fragile state and all of

1334
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:21.800
<v Speaker 8>that and I don't know how to Maybe I don't

1335
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:28.279
<v Speaker 8>know how to engage her, in letting her, in disappointing her. Basically,

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01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:31.520
<v Speaker 8>you know, I don't know how to disappoint my mother

1337
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:36.840
<v Speaker 8>in her late stage of life and in her celebrating

1338
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 8>my life in forty years of life. How can I

1339
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:47.880
<v Speaker 8>just merge the two. I don't see how that can

1340
01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:52.239
<v Speaker 8>be accomplished. And that's my that's my hurt.

1341
01:21:58.680 --> 01:21:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1342
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:03.359
<v Speaker 3>Maybe so, like maybe this is also not even about

1343
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:03.960
<v Speaker 3>the topic.

1344
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, you're good, you're good. We take all topics,

1345
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:15.439
<v Speaker 2>but prioritizing theists. But I wanted to give seen an opportunity.

1346
01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:21.119
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Zamon. Wonderful, Like I'm glad your birthday's coming up,

1347
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:27.880
<v Speaker 3>so congratulations or it just passed, you said June twenty fourteenth, right, yeah, seventeen.

1348
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Congratulations on a big four L it's a big accomplishment. Yeah,

1349
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:38.000
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to moms and parents who have had

1350
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:42.680
<v Speaker 3>this religion for so long, I'm super hands off. I

1351
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:46.279
<v Speaker 3>And this is why I say that, because you have

1352
01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:50.920
<v Speaker 3>explained that your mom is a bit fragile. And I

1353
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:53.159
<v Speaker 3>was actually telling some friends the other day that, like,

1354
01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:59.399
<v Speaker 3>if I had this conversation about deconstructing with my mom,

1355
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.439
<v Speaker 3>she would really have a heart attack, and I don't

1356
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:09.399
<v Speaker 3>want to cause her pain. So because of that, it

1357
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:15.479
<v Speaker 3>is hurtful, right, But I'm putting my deconstruction and I'm

1358
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:20.399
<v Speaker 3>in a separate category then with my mom. Right, I'm

1359
01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:24.800
<v Speaker 3>not merging the two. I will not fake the funk

1360
01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:27.880
<v Speaker 3>for my mom. Right, I'm not gonna pray over my food.

1361
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to do anything like that. But for

1362
01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:35.600
<v Speaker 3>the sake of peace, I just don't mention it. That's

1363
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:41.239
<v Speaker 3>a boundary that I've created because I love my mom,

1364
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.600
<v Speaker 3>but I don't want to be disrespected or gas lit,

1365
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to be the cause of causing

1366
01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:51.520
<v Speaker 3>her any mental or physical anguish. So that's number one.

1367
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:58.159
<v Speaker 3>I understand the desire to be open with your mommy, Like, Mommy,

1368
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:00.520
<v Speaker 3>I found something new, like a child. I want to

1369
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:02.880
<v Speaker 3>share this with you. I feel like we can have

1370
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:06.199
<v Speaker 3>a good talk about this. But at the end of

1371
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:09.800
<v Speaker 3>the day, it could open something that you just can't close.

1372
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:15.359
<v Speaker 3>And if she is, you know, older, she's not going

1373
01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:18.039
<v Speaker 3>to be here for long. I think the time that

1374
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:22.840
<v Speaker 3>you have should be filled with love and joy and

1375
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:29.159
<v Speaker 3>whatever family traditions that you guys share as far as

1376
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:35.159
<v Speaker 3>I want to stay, as far as like deconstructing, right,

1377
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:40.359
<v Speaker 3>Your deconstruction is your journey alone. You don't have to

1378
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:43.560
<v Speaker 3>tell anybody about that, and it does not make you

1379
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:49.199
<v Speaker 3>lesser or anything. I think that when I first started deconstructing,

1380
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>I actually wanted to shout it to the rooftop. I

1381
01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:55.159
<v Speaker 3>don't believe in this, like I don't believe in this God.

1382
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:57.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't want nothing to do with it, you know.

1383
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:00.319
<v Speaker 4>But I.

1384
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Realized that this is a personal journey. This is something

1385
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:09.880
<v Speaker 3>that I have to take my time with. I don't

1386
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:12.640
<v Speaker 3>got to talk to everybody, and that includes my mama.

1387
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it is.

1388
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:27.399
<v Speaker 3>It is conflicting right where you do want to say, Mom,

1389
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:32.800
<v Speaker 3>I found out that God swallowed up people in Exodus,

1390
01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:36.800
<v Speaker 3>right and in numbers like I found out that Jesus Christ,

1391
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:40.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, was healing slaves and stuff like that, but

1392
01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:44.039
<v Speaker 3>he won't put shoes on your feet like. I want

1393
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.159
<v Speaker 3>to talk about these contradictions, Mom, I want to have dialogue, but.

1394
01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:49.920
<v Speaker 9>To what end?

1395
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:56.920
<v Speaker 8>It's very difficult, I must say. The thing I struggle

1396
01:25:57.199 --> 01:26:05.079
<v Speaker 8>with the most is just trying to humanize. I don't

1397
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:09.840
<v Speaker 8>know humanize my mom and the experience that she's had

1398
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:15.039
<v Speaker 8>as a person who's been religious all her life and

1399
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.560
<v Speaker 8>a person who then told her kids to be that

1400
01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:25.880
<v Speaker 8>as well. How do I they and maybe not for

1401
01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:29.920
<v Speaker 8>this platform, but for me myself. How do I then

1402
01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:36.119
<v Speaker 8>kind of engage and disengage with whatever it is that

1403
01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:39.520
<v Speaker 8>she's kind of both?

1404
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you create boundaries? It is hard. It is hard

1405
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:53.680
<v Speaker 3>to create boundaries with a parent at any age, but

1406
01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:59.119
<v Speaker 3>you do, and only you know how far you can

1407
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:02.800
<v Speaker 3>push that. Sometimes it may have to be, Mom, we

1408
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:05.880
<v Speaker 3>can't have this conversation, and you may want to put

1409
01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:08.359
<v Speaker 3>it to where you're saying, I care for your health.

1410
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:11.720
<v Speaker 3>I care for your mental health, your physical health. I

1411
01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.079
<v Speaker 3>know that when I bring this up with you, you

1412
01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:16.520
<v Speaker 3>get a bit rolled up, and I wouldn't use the

1413
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.079
<v Speaker 3>word rowed up, but like you know, it may strike

1414
01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:24.239
<v Speaker 3>you in a way where we start to have contention

1415
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:26.800
<v Speaker 3>with each other. And I don't want that contention with you,

1416
01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:31.039
<v Speaker 3>right because I love you. And I was talking about

1417
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.439
<v Speaker 3>somebody the other night about forgiving my mom for doing

1418
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:39.039
<v Speaker 3>the best that she could with what she had at

1419
01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:45.159
<v Speaker 3>whatever age. I forgave her, but I haven't told her

1420
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:49.399
<v Speaker 3>that I've forgiven her, because I don't want her to

1421
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:53.159
<v Speaker 3>weaponize my forgiveness so that every time I talk to her,

1422
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.439
<v Speaker 3>she's like, oh, well you don't believe in this, you

1423
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:58.560
<v Speaker 3>don't believe in God? Well what do you believe? Like,

1424
01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't need her questioning me every two seconds, right,

1425
01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:04.239
<v Speaker 3>and then coming back to me and saying I shouldn't

1426
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:06.680
<v Speaker 3>have talked to you that way. I'm so sorry. Can

1427
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:11.399
<v Speaker 3>you forgive me no right? One step at a time,

1428
01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:15.760
<v Speaker 3>one day at a time, But you know, trying to

1429
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:20.159
<v Speaker 3>have that conversation if you really want to, I say,

1430
01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:24.840
<v Speaker 3>start small. Something Mama Bash told me that her son

1431
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Sebastian Cole used to do was ask her a question

1432
01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:34.279
<v Speaker 3>and just let it marinate and walk away. You're not

1433
01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:40.479
<v Speaker 3>looking for confrontation, not dialogue. Just our bats birds. Mom,

1434
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:43.000
<v Speaker 3>It's good at them.

1435
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:46.039
<v Speaker 6>Just like that.

1436
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I know for me because I heard you ask like,

1437
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>how do you humanize her? And that was something that

1438
01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I struggle with with my mom because we fought all

1439
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>the time about this God. And it was me seeing

1440
01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>her pain that she was going through when she lost

1441
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:15.319
<v Speaker 2>my father, because I was looking at her through the

1442
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.079
<v Speaker 2>lens of she is, you know, a wife that just

1443
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>lost her husband.

1444
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>She's our mom. She's also the first lady at the church.

1445
01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>And I had like all these expectations on how she

1446
01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>should handle that grief, what she should do going forward,

1447
01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>like with her life.

1448
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:37.319
<v Speaker 3>And she took us to a.

1449
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Cabin and she was telling us that she was going

1450
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:46.399
<v Speaker 2>to get married again. And it's like eight months after

1451
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:47.119
<v Speaker 2>my dad died.

1452
01:29:47.159 --> 01:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, why, you can I do what?

1453
01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:56.319
<v Speaker 2>And she took me into the master sweet and she

1454
01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:57.520
<v Speaker 2>talked to me and.

1455
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Like I, I saw her for the first.

1456
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Time in her pain and.

1457
01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I was able to actually see her.

1458
01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And then when I had.

1459
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>To get my hysterectomy, I had to stay with her

1460
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:22.439
<v Speaker 2>and she told me stories about when she was younger

1461
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>and the bullying, the wearing the long skirts, and now

1462
01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I've been able to date and like all of this stuff,

1463
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and I'm seeing her right she in the in the

1464
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:38.760
<v Speaker 2>at the cabin, she said, I went from she said,

1465
01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:40.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything else.

1466
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:44.600
<v Speaker 10>She said, I went from my mom and dad to

1467
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:49.399
<v Speaker 10>your dad. She said, all I know is my mom

1468
01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:53.359
<v Speaker 10>and dad, your dad, and God.

1469
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:55.359
<v Speaker 3>She said, I don't know anything else.

1470
01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:58.399
<v Speaker 2>And I'm seeing her and I'm like, holy shit, that's

1471
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>true that she don't know anything. That's why all she

1472
01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:06.159
<v Speaker 2>can talk to me about is God. That's her safety,

1473
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:11.399
<v Speaker 2>that's and her way of showing me that she loves

1474
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:16.399
<v Speaker 2>me is I need to give her who what is me?

1475
01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:19.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's all that I am and she But the

1476
01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:22.159
<v Speaker 2>thing is that she couldn't see that it what she

1477
01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:26.319
<v Speaker 2>was calling love was harming me because that's not that

1478
01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>wasn't who I was, and she was not willing to

1479
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>accept it. And so I had to first see her

1480
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>humanness and understand and accept her for who she was

1481
01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>first before she could accept and see me, because I

1482
01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>had to set the boundaries right, and it was me

1483
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:51.279
<v Speaker 2>accepting the fact that she would never be who I

1484
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:54.279
<v Speaker 2>needed her to be and I needed to accept her.

1485
01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>And once I was able to do that, she was

1486
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:01.199
<v Speaker 1>able to accept that this is who I am. You know,

1487
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I saw her.

1488
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Yesterday and it was you know, we've come a very

1489
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>long way.

1490
01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>We've come a very long way.

1491
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:09.359
<v Speaker 4>Now.

1492
01:32:09.439 --> 01:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>She still loves her God, and she will tell you

1493
01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:13.359
<v Speaker 2>in a minute she loves her God more than she

1494
01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>love her kids, but her actions don't speak that because

1495
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, she knows that I'm an atheist,

1496
01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>she knows that I hold these lines, and she she knows,

1497
01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, and she still Like when I was a

1498
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:32.239
<v Speaker 2>believer and I was questioning, I was saying the low

1499
01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:37.279
<v Speaker 2>rebuke deemon, this, what's wrong with you, satan to. Now

1500
01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm an atheist and it's hey, baby, and that's not

1501
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>normal for her, you know what I'm saying. So but

1502
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>it took for me to see her humans. It took

1503
01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>for me to acknowledge and accept her for who she was,

1504
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:55.119
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that she was a little girl and she was hurt.

1505
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>She was bullied because she was a Christian in school

1506
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and she had to wear long skirts what other people didn't,

1507
01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:08.399
<v Speaker 2>and she got beat up for wearing loust guards. And

1508
01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>so I had to I'm about to crack because like

1509
01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:14.079
<v Speaker 2>I had to. I had to, and I said, this

1510
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.840
<v Speaker 2>is her life. And we've lived two different lives. Like

1511
01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I've traveled the world and she hasn't. And that's so hurtful.

1512
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry to get.

1513
01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:29.760
<v Speaker 8>The point that you bring across to me as well

1514
01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:36.399
<v Speaker 8>is so hurtful because I want to I want to

1515
01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:40.399
<v Speaker 8>carry all my mom's hurts, you know. I want to

1516
01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:45.039
<v Speaker 8>carry everything that she has not experienced in life. I

1517
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.880
<v Speaker 8>want to be able to give her something beyond herself.

1518
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:55.159
<v Speaker 8>But I cannot see a point where we agree on

1519
01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:02.560
<v Speaker 8>a religion. I can't see a point we just you know,

1520
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:05.960
<v Speaker 8>I can't see a point where religion for her is

1521
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:11.319
<v Speaker 8>the first priority. And I'm a sakend priority. And now

1522
01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:14.520
<v Speaker 8>we have to, like what, just be okay with that?

1523
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.479
<v Speaker 8>I can't, And that's what's hurtful for me. So I

1524
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:22.479
<v Speaker 8>understand what you're trying, like what you're expressing about even

1525
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.880
<v Speaker 8>your mom and your family situation.

1526
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:28.479
<v Speaker 3>It's hurtful.

1527
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:35.159
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's hurtful, and as a black South African woman,

1528
01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:36.920
<v Speaker 8>it's yeah.

1529
01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>It is what it is.

1530
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:43.079
<v Speaker 8>We just carry it slowly but surely, and we just

1531
01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:46.800
<v Speaker 8>engage in these platforms like this we try to learn.

1532
01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:52.119
<v Speaker 8>But I don't know if we just doing this for

1533
01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:55.359
<v Speaker 8>now or yeah, I don't know.

1534
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:56.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1535
01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I think, like, first, I don't think that you should

1536
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:03.159
<v Speaker 2>try to carry your mother's hearts. I think acknowledging it,

1537
01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:08.039
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that she's human, right and that she has had

1538
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:10.720
<v Speaker 2>some pain, and that might explain some things, But that

1539
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that you should have to carry it right,

1540
01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't mean that you should be okay or

1541
01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:19.199
<v Speaker 2>that you have to be okay with her saying that

1542
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>this you know, deity that she's never seen is before you,

1543
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>and that she loves that God before she loves you.

1544
01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to be okay with that.

1545
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:29.479
<v Speaker 11>Right.

1546
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Acceptance is one thing, right, but saying that it's okay

1547
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>approval is another that you know, So I'm not saying

1548
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>that you have to do that. I definitely think that

1549
01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>carrying and carrying her pain and trying to usher her

1550
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:54.439
<v Speaker 2>into healing or you know, fixing something that you cannot fix,

1551
01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it's it's going to disrupt whatever you're looking for in

1552
01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the deconstruction process, says right, because you can't be her God,

1553
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and you can't be the sacrifice. You can't be the

1554
01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:12.920
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice for her, so that she, you know, gets with

1555
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>this God never gave going into it, understanding why she

1556
01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.159
<v Speaker 2>thinks the way she thinks, which is why these conversations

1557
01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:26.600
<v Speaker 2>are important. And as I was just telling Tom, I

1558
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:31.039
<v Speaker 2>was telling them that the for me, the discussion part

1559
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and getting to the root of it is the most

1560
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>important part because I feel like that's what's going to

1561
01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>move the needle. It's because people are gonna start having

1562
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.039
<v Speaker 2>these realizations and saying.

1563
01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is why I think the way I think.

1564
01:36:44.439 --> 01:36:46.199
<v Speaker 1>This is why my mother my father.

1565
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Thinks, think the way they think. And then being able

1566
01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to gain the courage to set those boundaries as Zeno

1567
01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:55.520
<v Speaker 2>was talking about earlier and enforce them and you know,

1568
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>learning how to enforce them while at the same time,

1569
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:03.520
<v Speaker 2>if it's good maintaining the relationship with the family, sometimes

1570
01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>not maintaining that relationship is the best thing for both

1571
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>for both sides. Because we had somebody on stage the

1572
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>other day who said they killed their a non believer

1573
01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>just to give a mercy. You got a family member

1574
01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>that believes in killing you, so you go to heaven.

1575
01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:24.079
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to cut that. You know, you ain't

1576
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>got to long suffer with that one. But I think

1577
01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that's what these conversations do. Helped. It helps you kind

1578
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:37.960
<v Speaker 2>of like lay out all of your your thoughts and

1579
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:43.359
<v Speaker 2>your lived experience on a in front of you and

1580
01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:45.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of put them in places and go, oh, that's

1581
01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.680
<v Speaker 2>why that's there. Oh no, they don't need to be there,

1582
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. And so yeah, it makes sense,

1583
01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:55.159
<v Speaker 2>It makes a lot of sense.

1584
01:37:55.720 --> 01:38:01.479
<v Speaker 8>So just thank you, Thank you both for just being

1585
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:05.159
<v Speaker 8>able to be a listening year and to try and

1586
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:08.720
<v Speaker 8>navigate my thoughts as well, because what you've said a

1587
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:09.680
<v Speaker 8>lot here.

1588
01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Makes sense.

1589
01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.520
<v Speaker 8>It does, It does make a lot of sense, and

1590
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:18.960
<v Speaker 8>it's just for me to try and replicate that into

1591
01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:22.880
<v Speaker 8>my own life and try and figure out where it

1592
01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:30.920
<v Speaker 8>all fits into trying to not change my family perspective

1593
01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:34.920
<v Speaker 8>at all, but trying to express myself in a way

1594
01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:40.720
<v Speaker 8>that maybe they would understand, you know, And that's what

1595
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:43.760
<v Speaker 8>I was hoping for. I listen to your lives a lot.

1596
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:47.840
<v Speaker 8>I think, I like I listen to your lives a lot.

1597
01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.680
<v Speaker 8>So I hope I've learned enough for me to be

1598
01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:56.720
<v Speaker 8>able to navigate this on my own and be able to.

1599
01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Gain something of it. That's that's my hope, you know.

1600
01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:08.840
<v Speaker 3>So thank you both, and that'll be me. You got this,

1601
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:15.479
<v Speaker 3>don't worry nothing. It's accomplished overnight. Sometimes it takes time,

1602
01:39:17.079 --> 01:39:19.960
<v Speaker 3>so don't put so much pressure on yourself.

1603
01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, a lot of time, A lot of time.

1604
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>You got this. Thank you, and you have us, yes,

1605
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:32.279
<v Speaker 2>So if you need to come and hollow it us

1606
01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok, we're gonna talk you through it. I I'm

1607
01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.760
<v Speaker 2>telling you there's been many times that you know, I've

1608
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.279
<v Speaker 2>needed to talk to somebody and say guess what she

1609
01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:44.119
<v Speaker 2>did today.

1610
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:48.439
<v Speaker 3>I was doing that last night of Klow's Live. I

1611
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.520
<v Speaker 3>was like, y'all let me tell you.

1612
01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:53.359
<v Speaker 4>M mm hm hmmm.

1613
01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:58.399
<v Speaker 3>Parents, man, we love them. Sometimes they push us me.

1614
01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:02.479
<v Speaker 3>All right, love buck, have a great day.

1615
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Have a good way, thank you.

1616
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:11.159
<v Speaker 9>Okay, all right, all right, we have our final call.

1617
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:16.119
<v Speaker 9>Uh if I can find the call in, I don't

1618
01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:17.319
<v Speaker 9>lost it on the screen.

1619
01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there you go. All right.

1620
01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Our final call is Astrara from South Africa. Astra wants

1621
01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to know what's John the Baptist a disciple of Jesus

1622
01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or the other way around.

1623
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, Hey, Astra, are you.

1624
01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:34.119
<v Speaker 6>Hi?

1625
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:36.199
<v Speaker 7>I'm getting yourself.

1626
01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good, so you want to know if sorry

1627
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh no, I was saying.

1628
01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:52.079
<v Speaker 7>I also listening to the last call, and I was like, oh, Samma,

1629
01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:55.560
<v Speaker 7>I feel me and you someone on the same boat.

1630
01:40:56.359 --> 01:40:58.920
<v Speaker 7>I understand how you feel. I was just like, see here,

1631
01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:01.880
<v Speaker 7>I even forgot that I was in the queue this

1632
01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:02.760
<v Speaker 7>entire time.

1633
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we've talked several times before.

1634
01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:08.560
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1635
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>On your actually one, why do I feel like I

1636
01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:16.319
<v Speaker 2>know you?

1637
01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:16.600
<v Speaker 4>No?

1638
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was it was one time.

1639
01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:27.279
<v Speaker 6>I think like two weeks ago, okay.

1640
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:29.520
<v Speaker 7>With a godless engineer, and then I disappeared.

1641
01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:34.319
<v Speaker 3>It was a memorable Poe call.

1642
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay you I was nervous.

1643
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh you did good, You did good. You say you

1644
01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:46.119
<v Speaker 1>want to know if John.

1645
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:49.199
<v Speaker 2>The Baptist was a disciple of Jesus or the other

1646
01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>way around. That's an interesting one. I have a lot

1647
01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:56.640
<v Speaker 2>of thoughts about Jesus and John the Baptist, But again,

1648
01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to give Zena the opportunity.

1649
01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:04.960
<v Speaker 3>So I love this question because I'm a big fan

1650
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:08.600
<v Speaker 3>of John the Baptist. Frankly, I think that Jesus was

1651
01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:15.760
<v Speaker 3>a family of his cousin and he was like, I

1652
01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:19.520
<v Speaker 3>want to take this stance that Jesus was a disciple

1653
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:23.960
<v Speaker 3>of John the Baptist, and the reason being, if I

1654
01:42:24.039 --> 01:42:25.720
<v Speaker 3>had to put a category, I don't think he was

1655
01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:29.279
<v Speaker 3>actually a disciple right of either one of them were

1656
01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:35.319
<v Speaker 3>disciples of each other. But John was out there giving

1657
01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:41.920
<v Speaker 3>the baptism of repentance. Jesus sought John out, not the

1658
01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:48.720
<v Speaker 3>other way around. John baptized him under right, He baptized

1659
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:58.319
<v Speaker 3>him under forgiveness repentance, and then that is when go ahead, Oh.

1660
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:02.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, sorry, I wanted to think basically, The reason why

1661
01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:07.680
<v Speaker 7>I had those questions was I was listening to his stream, uh,

1662
01:43:08.119 --> 01:43:12.199
<v Speaker 7>because I breathe and drink the atheist experience this this

1663
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.960
<v Speaker 7>is just my life now. But I was listening to

1664
01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:19.439
<v Speaker 7>I think it was Justin and Forrest Balci, and they

1665
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:22.760
<v Speaker 7>were talking to a theist who was trying to make

1666
01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:27.920
<v Speaker 7>an argument. How we forgot what the argument was about,

1667
01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:31.720
<v Speaker 7>but it was about drowning the Baptist and with Jesus.

1668
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:36.399
<v Speaker 7>And then Justin was like basically explaining the verses.

1669
01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:38.279
<v Speaker 3>And then I was like.

1670
01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:40.359
<v Speaker 7>Sitting here and I was like, Justin, what are you

1671
01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:41.039
<v Speaker 7>trying to tell me?

1672
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Actually, what are you trying to tell me? What you say?

1673
01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:44.600
<v Speaker 8>What do you impry?

1674
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Because I was like.

1675
01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:48.520
<v Speaker 4>The the.

1676
01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:56.199
<v Speaker 7>Collar was trying to explain why Jesus was going to

1677
01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:01.199
<v Speaker 7>see John the Baptist and why he needed to be

1678
01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:03.159
<v Speaker 7>baptized by John.

1679
01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:06.199
<v Speaker 2>And then and then Justin was like what do you

1680
01:44:06.359 --> 01:44:07.319
<v Speaker 2>think he was doing?

1681
01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:09.199
<v Speaker 4>When do you think that?

1682
01:44:09.319 --> 01:44:11.159
<v Speaker 6>Was just hanging out like bros, Like what do you

1683
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:12.199
<v Speaker 6>think was happening?

1684
01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:15.640
<v Speaker 3>And I was like each other, Okay, you're saying what

1685
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:16.560
<v Speaker 3>I think you say.

1686
01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:19.640
<v Speaker 7>I was like, are you saying what I think you're saying?

1687
01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to tell me this man I was about.

1688
01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:23.800
<v Speaker 7>He's like, what do you think they were doing?

1689
01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:24.000
<v Speaker 3>What?

1690
01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:26.560
<v Speaker 7>What did you actually think they were doing? And I

1691
01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:29.520
<v Speaker 7>even tried reading the verse where.

1692
01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:32.199
<v Speaker 6>Justin was.

1693
01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:37.560
<v Speaker 7>Was couding about he who comes after me has a

1694
01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:40.119
<v Speaker 7>higher rank than I and has a priority for.

1695
01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:41.640
<v Speaker 6>He insisted before me.

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01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:45.680
<v Speaker 7>And he's explained that verse and and explain the other one.

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01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:48.640
<v Speaker 7>But I think I was kind of confused because there

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01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:51.600
<v Speaker 7>was a part where he said that the author of

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01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:55.079
<v Speaker 7>the Bible was talking to John or something like that.

1700
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:59.079
<v Speaker 7>Maybe I just didn't understand correctly, But I was like, wait,

1701
01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:02.039
<v Speaker 7>I need to talk to someone about this because I

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01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:05.159
<v Speaker 7>just I don't understand what's actually happening.

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01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:06.600
<v Speaker 2>But I'd love to hear.

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01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:10.680
<v Speaker 7>More abspect why you think that Jesus would be a

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01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:13.760
<v Speaker 7>disciple or you would see him as a disciple of

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01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:16.359
<v Speaker 7>John the Baptists, because I know that John the Baptists

1707
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:19.119
<v Speaker 7>was so much of a big deal, and I didn't

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01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:22.720
<v Speaker 7>know he was this much of a big deal. But yeah,

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01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:24.560
<v Speaker 7>I'd love to just hear your thoughts about it.

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01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, and again, not that he was an actual disciple,

1711
01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:32.840
<v Speaker 3>because it's crazy. John had his own disciples, he had

1712
01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:35.600
<v Speaker 3>his own ministry. He had his own people so much

1713
01:45:35.720 --> 01:45:37.920
<v Speaker 3>so that they're the ones who came and got his

1714
01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:42.399
<v Speaker 3>head right in his body after you know, he was unlive, right,

1715
01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:47.079
<v Speaker 3>so he had his own violin where Jesus hadn't really

1716
01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:51.079
<v Speaker 3>quite established himself yet. And like I was saying, it

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01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:55.720
<v Speaker 3>was when John baptized Jesus. You see God in the

1718
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:59.600
<v Speaker 3>very few times he's like talking or interacting with the humans,

1719
01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.800
<v Speaker 3>and a New Testament you see him actually saying something.

1720
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:07.279
<v Speaker 3>But John was the catalyst when it comes to his

1721
01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:08.960
<v Speaker 3>birth and his origin.

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01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Right.

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01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth and Zachary are old in age, but they come

1724
01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:18.279
<v Speaker 3>from a very unique lineage, right, so you know she's

1725
01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:21.520
<v Speaker 3>the daughter of Aaron. He's a special of a special priesthood.

1726
01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:22.039
<v Speaker 6>Right.

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01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:25.439
<v Speaker 3>He has such a more of a fantastical I think

1728
01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:29.960
<v Speaker 3>origin than Jesus does. And then last but not least,

1729
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:33.479
<v Speaker 3>I feel like John may have been a real person,

1730
01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:40.920
<v Speaker 3>like at least maybe historically not actually doing those like miracles,

1731
01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:44.920
<v Speaker 3>right or anything like that. But maybe he wasn't apocalyptic

1732
01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:48.720
<v Speaker 3>preacher just like Jesus was. And Jesus kind of stole

1733
01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:54.439
<v Speaker 3>John's message. So you know, if I'm using the Bible

1734
01:46:54.479 --> 01:46:59.000
<v Speaker 3>and I'm doing an internal critique. I think that, yeah,

1735
01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:03.079
<v Speaker 3>John was a threat to Hey Suesday Christo, and I

1736
01:47:03.239 --> 01:47:07.880
<v Speaker 3>think he appealed to Jesus, appealed to John's authority.

1737
01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:09.079
<v Speaker 4>Is what I think.

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01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:14.640
<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, Well, because like I was still going I'm

1739
01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.560
<v Speaker 7>such a lazy person, but I was supposed to finish

1740
01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:21.399
<v Speaker 7>up like a video on Dato over Dogma. That's like

1741
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:26.039
<v Speaker 7>where I get most of my knowledge from, by Dan,

1742
01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:28.560
<v Speaker 7>but Cleannel as well, that's where I get most of

1743
01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:31.880
<v Speaker 7>my knowledge from. And I was still like sitting here

1744
01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:35.760
<v Speaker 7>and going through the versus, and I was kind of

1745
01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:39.479
<v Speaker 7>like wondering, why the.

1746
01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:42.079
<v Speaker 4>What the Jews?

1747
01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:46.319
<v Speaker 7>The Jews sent the priest and the Levi's in John

1748
01:47:46.399 --> 01:47:50.600
<v Speaker 7>chapter one, verse nineteen, Like why would they need to

1749
01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:56.359
<v Speaker 7>send priests and Levi's to I'm assuming getting the testimony

1750
01:47:56.439 --> 01:48:00.159
<v Speaker 7>of John to ask Kim if he's Elijah or ask

1751
01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:01.720
<v Speaker 7>if he's the Promised Prophet.

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01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:03.479
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just assuming, like.

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01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:06.079
<v Speaker 4>What was like John.

1754
01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Claiming he was the Messiah?

1755
01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.560
<v Speaker 7>Was he or were other people claiming that he was

1756
01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:17.039
<v Speaker 7>a Messiah? That, uh, the the you had to send

1757
01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:21.119
<v Speaker 7>priests to kind of confirm this to ensure that it's

1758
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.000
<v Speaker 7>just correct. Is this man the Christ? Is this man

1759
01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:29.680
<v Speaker 7>Elijah or the Promised Prophet. I found that really fascinating.

1760
01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:32.680
<v Speaker 7>I was like, what is what was actually happening? Why

1761
01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:34.840
<v Speaker 7>would they need this information?

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01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So like it's it sounds like John is doubting there, right,

1763
01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:46.479
<v Speaker 2>because they're supposed to have a militant Messiah, and so

1764
01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:49.960
<v Speaker 2>he sends his disciples. It's like, go, like he's hearing

1765
01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>all of this fantastical stuff that Jesus is doing in

1766
01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the city, but he's not doing what the messia is

1767
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>supposed doing. The Messiah who's supposed to be, you know,

1768
01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:07.600
<v Speaker 2>restoring the kingdom right, and Israel and Judah are supposed

1769
01:49:07.640 --> 01:49:13.039
<v Speaker 2>to be safe in the land under this Messiah, this

1770
01:49:13.239 --> 01:49:17.960
<v Speaker 2>militant king. But Jesus is uh, you know, turning water

1771
01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>into wine, He's raising the dead, he's healing the sick,

1772
01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:26.520
<v Speaker 2>like he's doing all this supernatural stuff, right. And John goes, hey,

1773
01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:28.960
<v Speaker 2>go and ask him like is he the missage?

1774
01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Like some change, like is he the most say.

1775
01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:34.960
<v Speaker 2>We doing something different? And Jesus is like, hey, tell him,

1776
01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:38.920
<v Speaker 2>tell him that I'm raising the dead, I'm healing the sick.

1777
01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Like he tells him like in other words, this is

1778
01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:43.640
<v Speaker 2>what the Messiah does, and it's kind of like you

1779
01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:48.199
<v Speaker 2>get this. This is where you start to see that

1780
01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:51.119
<v Speaker 2>the kingdom what the Messiah was supposed to do. It's

1781
01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:54.079
<v Speaker 2>not physical he's supposed to He's not supposed to come

1782
01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:56.199
<v Speaker 2>and fight a physical army. He's not supposed to sit

1783
01:49:56.239 --> 01:49:58.680
<v Speaker 2>on the physical uh thron.

1784
01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:02.760
<v Speaker 1>This is what the must Sayah is right.

1785
01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>And then I agree with Zena. I definitely don't think

1786
01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Jesus was necessarily a disciple of John the Baptist.

1787
01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I think the real like I think the

1788
01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:20.840
<v Speaker 1>real Jesus was a crook.

1789
01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he was some thug.

1790
01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:27.760
<v Speaker 1>That had a ganga dudes.

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01:50:29.079 --> 01:50:31.199
<v Speaker 2>And he taught he was teaching them some bad stuff,

1792
01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:34.399
<v Speaker 2>like he taught them to pillot authority. Right like if

1793
01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you if you look at John, John is teaching the Israelizes, Hey,

1794
01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:45.119
<v Speaker 2>don't be like I can do whatever I want because

1795
01:50:45.159 --> 01:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>my daddy is Abraham, all right. He tells them don't explore,

1796
01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:53.199
<v Speaker 2>he tells the tax collectors, don't exploit people, don't take

1797
01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:56.640
<v Speaker 2>more than what you're supposed to have. Right, Jesus comes

1798
01:50:56.680 --> 01:51:02.079
<v Speaker 2>along and Jesus says he is Salvation has come to

1799
01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:04.520
<v Speaker 2>your house today because you are a chown of Abraham.

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01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:09.600
<v Speaker 2>He does the exact opposite of what John was teaching, right,

1801
01:51:10.439 --> 01:51:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And then he's when he's talking to when the when

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01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:19.159
<v Speaker 2>the tax collectors come to him, uh uh to get taxes,

1803
01:51:19.960 --> 01:51:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and uh they asked, Peter, do yo, why don't show

1804
01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:29.680
<v Speaker 2>teacher paying taxes? Like they're noticing Jesus is not paying taxes.

1805
01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>He's bucking the system, he's not paying taxes. And then

1806
01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Peter gets home and Jesus like it, says, oh, Jesus

1807
01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>already knew that that conversation happened, right, and so uh,

1808
01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:43.720
<v Speaker 2>he says, Peter, let me ask you a question. Do

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01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:48.479
<v Speaker 2>the officials charge their sons taxes or just the others?

1810
01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Like, do the sons pay or just others?

1811
01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:55.359
<v Speaker 2>And Peter go all for show others for show they

1812
01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:58.920
<v Speaker 2>ain't taxing their son. And then Jesus is like, okay, listen,

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01:52:00.199 --> 01:52:04.439
<v Speaker 2>the sons are free, and so just so that we

1814
01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:08.439
<v Speaker 2>don't defend them, we don't offend them, We're gonna.

1815
01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Go get this coin and go fish it out of

1816
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the sea and.

1817
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Go pay Like this was Jesus saying, notice that the

1818
01:52:17.279 --> 01:52:19.479
<v Speaker 2>kings of the earth don't charge their sons, how much

1819
01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:20.479
<v Speaker 2>more you think God.

1820
01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Gonna charge his sons.

1821
01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:25.039
<v Speaker 2>The sons are free. Salvation has come to you because

1822
01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:28.239
<v Speaker 2>you are in the Israelite you are a son of Abraham.

1823
01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Fuck all that what John was talking about. He did

1824
01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:39.520
<v Speaker 2>something completely different than what John todd. But there is

1825
01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>any aparkryphal tax of John the baptizer. John the baptizer

1826
01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:51.720
<v Speaker 2>does not want to baptize Jesus. He literally says to him, like, dude,

1827
01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you are leadingly Israelized astray. He literally says that, and

1828
01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:59.800
<v Speaker 2>then he's like, uh. He calls him the deceiver, and

1829
01:52:59.880 --> 01:53:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he gives him this test right and uh. He said,

1830
01:53:03.159 --> 01:53:05.039
<v Speaker 2>if you can answer these three if you can answer

1831
01:53:05.079 --> 01:53:07.479
<v Speaker 2>these three questions, I'll baptize you, because because what Jesus

1832
01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:11.279
<v Speaker 2>keeps saying is and baptize me by the name that

1833
01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you invoke, make me your disciple, and I'll put you

1834
01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:17.239
<v Speaker 2>in my gospel. He said, I'll write you in my gospel.

1835
01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:21.399
<v Speaker 2>And uh, John doesn't want.

1836
01:53:21.279 --> 01:53:21.600
<v Speaker 3>To do it.

1837
01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:26.600
<v Speaker 2>He gives him a test and three ans, three questions,

1838
01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:29.800
<v Speaker 2>and what Jesus does he plays on words, how can

1839
01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a virgin become a virgin again? Oh, a virgin can

1840
01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:34.079
<v Speaker 2>become a virgin again if he if she die, if

1841
01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:37.159
<v Speaker 2>she go to heaven, and don't have sex in heaven

1842
01:53:37.239 --> 01:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>like like he like plays on words. How can a

1843
01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:45.600
<v Speaker 2>blind man become uh, I mean, how can a stamora

1844
01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:48.720
<v Speaker 2>become a good speaker or something like? He? Oh, a

1845
01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:50.880
<v Speaker 2>stamura can come as a good speaker when he when

1846
01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:52.479
<v Speaker 2>he writes poetry like he.

1847
01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Plays on words.

1848
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And then this dove, this voice comes out and goes

1849
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:03.079
<v Speaker 2>John baptized the deceiver. This voice tells John the baptizer

1850
01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to baptize the deceiver. And John baptizes Jesus. And this

1851
01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:07.560
<v Speaker 2>is in the.

1852
01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh, the apocryphal text Colle John the baptized.

1853
01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And so we know that John John's disciples didn't necessarily

1854
01:54:19.479 --> 01:54:21.199
<v Speaker 2>they did not like the followers of Jesus. They did

1855
01:54:21.279 --> 01:54:23.880
<v Speaker 2>not think that Jesus was the Messiah. They did not

1856
01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:29.800
<v Speaker 2>think that Jesus was divine. M And so yeah, I

1857
01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:35.159
<v Speaker 2>think I don't think that he was a disciple of

1858
01:54:35.359 --> 01:54:39.159
<v Speaker 2>John the Baptist. I think he if if this person

1859
01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:43.720
<v Speaker 2>did exist, there was this man named Yes, well, I

1860
01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:47.000
<v Speaker 2>think he built a crew of thugs.

1861
01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>And tried to join John John's crew.

1862
01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:53.399
<v Speaker 2>That's what I think.

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01:54:55.520 --> 01:54:57.760
<v Speaker 7>Wow, this sounds like the.

1864
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying from what I.

1865
01:55:05.439 --> 01:55:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Don't be commonly this is what.

1866
01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:19.199
<v Speaker 2>No stop it, no, stop it.

1867
01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:21.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean thinking about it.

1868
01:55:21.279 --> 01:55:23.680
<v Speaker 2>He told them how to still a donkey using authority,

1869
01:55:24.199 --> 01:55:28.680
<v Speaker 2>like using keywords. He's like, hey, yeah, he says, use

1870
01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:31.399
<v Speaker 2>these words. It's the way he says it, right, And

1871
01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:34.640
<v Speaker 2>he's like, hey, you're going to see a donkey tied

1872
01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:38.079
<v Speaker 2>in in in the city untied when you get in there.

1873
01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And if if anybody asks what you're doing, just say

1874
01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:46.600
<v Speaker 2>these words because he knows, right, yeah.

1875
01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:47.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1876
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:51.239
<v Speaker 7>And when I'm listening to you talk and you're talking

1877
01:55:51.319 --> 01:55:56.199
<v Speaker 7>about how he basically plays on these words, it just

1878
01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:59.159
<v Speaker 7>seems like even even in the New Testament, you see

1879
01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:03.399
<v Speaker 7>Jesus please on these words. He's like, he's very vague

1880
01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:06.199
<v Speaker 7>about these things. Everyone he's told me about his parables,

1881
01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:09.760
<v Speaker 7>He's not really giving a straightforward answer. And it just

1882
01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:12.760
<v Speaker 7>feels like this was like at least it was even

1883
01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:17.399
<v Speaker 7>with a popupher like that seems like a very I guess,

1884
01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:22.520
<v Speaker 7>a consistent trait with the Jesus character.

1885
01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:26.880
<v Speaker 3>And it just reminds me back with Justin.

1886
01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:29.239
<v Speaker 7>When he was talking about Jesus being a feel prophet,

1887
01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:31.680
<v Speaker 7>and I think he was talking about was it a

1888
01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:35.760
<v Speaker 7>sire as I chapter seven seven, he said.

1889
01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Seven age and nine.

1890
01:56:38.319 --> 01:56:41.239
<v Speaker 7>I forgot what it was about, because that's sure have

1891
01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:46.079
<v Speaker 7>memory loss, But it was something about I think it

1892
01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:53.439
<v Speaker 7>was about the king of the king of what's his name,

1893
01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:57.359
<v Speaker 7>has that has a Kiah, has a Kia something like that,

1894
01:56:57.680 --> 01:57:01.199
<v Speaker 7>And I think it was about yes, and I think

1895
01:57:01.279 --> 01:57:05.199
<v Speaker 7>it was about uh that him as a king, I

1896
01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:07.760
<v Speaker 7>think him being born and him being a.

1897
01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:08.960
<v Speaker 3>King of Israel.

1898
01:57:09.399 --> 01:57:12.920
<v Speaker 7>And then basically kind of Jesus kind of taking giving

1899
01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:17.520
<v Speaker 7>the prophet Asaiah out of context and you see that happen,

1900
01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:25.359
<v Speaker 7>and even with Matthew kind of misquoting certain, uh certain

1901
01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:29.520
<v Speaker 7>verses and saying, oh, this is from Jeremiah, whereas it's

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<v Speaker 7>actually in Zachariah, and you're just it's just like sitting

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<v Speaker 7>there and you're like, huh.

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<v Speaker 3>And and when you even read with.

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<v Speaker 4>The Book of John, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Just it just made me wonder why they had to

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<v Speaker 7>kind of make this like, uh disclaimer, if I could say,

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<v Speaker 7>of just just to make sure everyone is like on power,

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<v Speaker 7>Like John the Baptist is not the Messiah. So I'm

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<v Speaker 7>just gonna write this, why just just so you know

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<v Speaker 7>he's not the Messiah. So you just it's a very

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<v Speaker 7>clear that he is not. So it seemed like there

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<v Speaker 7>was there was that quite competition happening at that time

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<v Speaker 7>where you know, we we we were.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course today we think that Jesus was the only Messiah.

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<v Speaker 7>And then when you learn more of the history, it's

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<v Speaker 7>just like, oh, John practice, wasn't just some man.

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<v Speaker 6>Who was like, yeah, Jesus, he is cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I like him.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, it has long hair for no damn reason.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks cute. Why not.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like there was that competition happening, and that you know,

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<v Speaker 7>there was the I guess the clash between the followers

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<v Speaker 7>and the different creatures. But wow, I never knew anything

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<v Speaker 7>about that approprphe Like, wow, it just it feels like

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<v Speaker 7>learning something I'm not supposed to know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it felt when I was reading it, because

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<v Speaker 2>we were told not to read outside the Bible. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>when I saw that it called Jesus the Deceiver, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like you're coming across.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that watching me read this?

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<v Speaker 3>I was no way.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so shocked. Like some more I learned.

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<v Speaker 7>I think my favorite one was the test was the

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<v Speaker 7>Testimony of Truth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was watching who.

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<v Speaker 4>Was this lady.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it was Elaine Peggles. She I think she's

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<v Speaker 7>a Second Temple scholar, but I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was talking about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Testimony of truth.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, she was talking about Satan, the origins of

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<v Speaker 7>Satan and where Satan, the idea of Satan came from.

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<v Speaker 6>And she was talking about the testimony of truth.

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<v Speaker 7>And how uh Jesus was considered like uh, the serpent

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<v Speaker 7>in the garden, like Jesus Christ was seen as the

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<v Speaker 7>serpent in the garden, and and and God was the

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<v Speaker 7>dormy age.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what what is going on?

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<v Speaker 7>Son? What's happening y'all? These who have guts? I could

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<v Speaker 7>never ever, even in a million years a million years,

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<v Speaker 7>put that and that together. That that's thoseles wrong to

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<v Speaker 7>my indoctrinated mind, that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was so wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Al But what Yeah, Well, did you have anything else

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<v Speaker 2>ash around? I think it was a great conversation. We've

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<v Speaker 2>reached the end of the show. Did you have any

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<v Speaker 2>anything else you wanted to add before we go?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh? No, I don't have anything else. But thank you

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<v Speaker 7>for taking in, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>You're so welcome. Thank you for calling in. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you have a great rest of the day.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, thank you, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I do want to read the super chat

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<v Speaker 2>right quick, Dinna, do you have access to the superjest?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. Hold on, where would I find

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<v Speaker 3>that out? It would be in the doc.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if oh no, no, okay, So we

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<v Speaker 2>have AG nine ninety nine the nerves are here to support.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanker and Zena.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you all.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you AG for your support as always. Nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 2>Jay whis sick with the hell Satan, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay whis sick. Luke Riley with the two dollars. No

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<v Speaker 2>craping for Jesus. Yeah, keep your pants on, go to

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom, used tissue, wash your hands and nine ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine Satan was framed. Thinker, I love when you retell

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<v Speaker 2>Bible stories. I'm Anita think her voiceover for the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Satan's frame. I appreciate you so much. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all is time we want to thank our back up

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<v Speaker 2>for helping out tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Jamie, I mean, what did I call you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Kelly? I am so you know what I

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<v Speaker 2>called Jamie h Kelly the last time I was on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, Because.

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<v Speaker 3>You look like a Jamie to me, he does look

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<v Speaker 3>like a Jamie, and you're gonna and you're gonna always

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<v Speaker 3>be in my head, and don't take it the road way.

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<v Speaker 2>You will always be Jamie Jimmy because it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>your name should be Jamie or Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm sorry, but that's fine.

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<v Speaker 11>And we both have androgynous names too, so that to

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<v Speaker 11>make it even more confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. But from the first day that I

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<v Speaker 2>met you, you were in my head. You were you

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<v Speaker 2>were Jamie, and I keep having trouble getting that.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, if you call me Jamie, I won't take it personally.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand I have named I have name blindness. To

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<v Speaker 2>trust me, they know I have. It's been like that

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life. My I think I got it from

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<v Speaker 2>my unteaching. Like she'll call people Jesus. Suld be like Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like so, but thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>being a beackapos. Did you have any thoughts on the show?

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<v Speaker 11>You know, they're just a couple of things. Mostly it

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<v Speaker 11>was from Tom's call, right, and you mentioned that when

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<v Speaker 11>you were taking calls, and the young men seem to

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<v Speaker 11>be different than the young women. I think that society

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<v Speaker 11>and our culture. I mean, you look at the movies

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<v Speaker 11>and some of the TV shows, meant young boys are

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<v Speaker 11>kind of conditioned to be that way. I hate to

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<v Speaker 11>say it, you know, but uh, I mean like I

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<v Speaker 11>kind of felt that way when I was sixteen and seventeen.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>Fortunately for me, I learned that, but uh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 11>mean it seems like our culture kind of like steers

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<v Speaker 11>young men into that direction. Maybe because they need cannon fodder.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know, but you know, but that seems to be.

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<v Speaker 11>And then you were talking about teaching as you get older,

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<v Speaker 11>and obviously I'm older, And what I found is that

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<v Speaker 11>instead of telling people, hey, this was the right way

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<v Speaker 11>to do it, I found it if I say something

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<v Speaker 11>that a lot more chill, like, you know, I found

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<v Speaker 11>it if I do it this way, it seems like

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<v Speaker 11>it's a lot easier for me to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do, you know.

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<v Speaker 11>And it seems like I create less friction when I'm

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<v Speaker 11>teaching people how to do things. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 11>just you need to be mindful of what to say

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<v Speaker 11>to people.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think relatable experience is the most

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<v Speaker 2>powerful then commanding or giving advice.

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<v Speaker 11>M Yeah, right, exactly exactly. Yeah, so that was about

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<v Speaker 11>it and asking questions, Always ask questions. That was for

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<v Speaker 11>our second caller. I can't remember her name unfortunately, but

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<v Speaker 11>I didn't write it down like an idiot. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 11>always keep asking questions, and I always ask peop people

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<v Speaker 11>who have deconstructed how they started on their path. Number

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<v Speaker 11>one answer, I started asking questions. You can never ask

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<v Speaker 11>too many questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely what Badge says, questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the gods to the answers.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Zina, how can people find out more about

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<v Speaker 2>you and allow like share your contact information?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you can find me right here on TikTok. I

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<v Speaker 3>am right now live with Aca down here near Thinkers,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can hit that follow. But in there, I

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<v Speaker 3>am trying to crank up my YouTube, so bear with me, y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>I am going to get together. That is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be Zena May point two Xena May point two, so

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<v Speaker 3>you can find me on those platforms and pretty soon

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<v Speaker 3>coming to a place on the phone near you. I

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<v Speaker 3>will be starting on Instagram, so watch out for that announcement.

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<v Speaker 3>That announcement as well. So thank you for asking, Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for being here today.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly, I appreciate you, thank you too.

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<v Speaker 2>You both were great.

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<v Speaker 11>I totally appreciate the two of you. You were amazing,

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<v Speaker 11>both of you todays.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you for that opportunities. I appreciate everybody out

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<v Speaker 2>there and TikTok Land and in YouTube lend.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone. We'll see y'all next week. We are here Sundays

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<v Speaker 2>at four thirty PMS. Interesting in time until next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thanker, thank you Kelly, thank you, I alack.

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<v Speaker 4>We start a.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop today the well ship every thanks say y'all welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>All day.

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<v Speaker 11>Watch Talk Ethan Live Sundays at one pm Central. Visit

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