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Speaker 2: People pray for answers, they don't get them. And since

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his Father's Day, let me ask you a question. How

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many calls does a father miss before we stop calling

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him attentive? How many text messages go unanswered before we

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call it ghosting? And how many times can a child

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cry out for guidance, comfort, reassurance or even just a

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response before people start questioning the relationship. Because when it

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comes to God, the Father, people have been calling for

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thousands of years. They've been praying, begging, crying, waiting and listening,

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and for a lot of people it just feels like

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it's going to voicemail. Meanwhile, AI picks up on the

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first ring. Again, that doesn't mean that AI is right.

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it responds and people ask difficult questions, they get told

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to have faith, they ask for clarity, they get mystery,

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and meanwhile they open AI and they get an immediate response,

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right or wrong. They're getting engagement. Have people stopped listening

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to God or have they spent years listening and never

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heard anything back? And today, on Father's Day, maybe the

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question isn't whether people are abandoning God. Maybe the question

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is where the people got tired of waiting by the phone.

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Is Ai becoming the new God or is Ai simply

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answering calls that God never returned. If you are a believer,

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I want to hear from you. If you think prayer

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answers questions better than Ai, call in. If you think

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Ai is leading people away from God, call in. And

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if you've been wrestling with doubts that you were never

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allowed to voice, call in. And if you thank God.

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Speaker 1: The father has been ghosting his.

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Speaker 2: Children from millennia and Ai has finally answered the call,

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definitely call in. I'm your host Thinker, and the Atheist

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Experience starts right now. Welcome everybody. Today is Jump twenty first,

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twenty twenty six. It is Father's Day and we want

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to welcome you all to the Atheist Experience.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Thinker, and joining me today is Zina Maggie.

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How are you doing, Zina.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing wonderful, Thinker.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you on the show today. I

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know we've been looking forward to this all month long.

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Speaker 3: Yes, same here, show everybody.

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Speaker 2: Your shirt because that this is like the perfect opening

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for Father's Day.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just oh, there goes my heart there,

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it goes right there. This is my true heartbeat.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I just think that submissive men are the best men.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to agree.

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Speaker 3: I would have to agree.

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Speaker 2: I went to a wedding yesterday and I love my

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new sister in law, but like listening to the vowels

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and the submissiveness and it all, I just wish they

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would take that part out because I don't think love

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requires submission and it doesn't. Yeah, yeah, tell everybody about

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you well.

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Speaker 3: I host shows on TikTok Live. We talk about an

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array of options. I typically focus on community oriented things lately,

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just you know, talking about purity culture, which has been

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a nonprofit, so fingers crossed on that will be doing

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Speaker 2: And yes, it's non profitly going to be like finding

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missing children. I know you do that. You share the

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back in the day, Mama Africa, my good friend Andbria Rhea,

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basically death cult, right, how it just warps your brain.

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a different culture acceptable for somebody who looks like me? Right,

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what's the benefit? Because all I see is slavery, kidnapping,

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that we're in the black community, but also other communities

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have found that, so you know, that's when I kind

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of started looking at you. Ria put me on to

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you thinker, which was awesome, and I was like, oh, yeah,

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this is where I want to be.

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Speaker 2: But Ria and nine started together and she went viral

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for asking that question if the oppressor and the oppress

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are serving the same guy whose prayers are getting answered?

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Speaker 3: And I reached out to her.

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Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, somebody thinks like me.

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Speaker 2: And I reached out. I was like, do you want

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to go live? And we went live that night and

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Speaker 3: She told me. She was like, she was like, I

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met this lady named Thinker, and y'all when I tell

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you she is the truth, I probably still have this

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text message from it. But like, when you said she

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is the truth, I was like, well, let me go

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check her out, and we I think one of the

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first couple of lives you have, Vessel was on there,

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I think, and they were talking about African spirituality and

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, no, it still has some like

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truth and now I'm like fuck it all, Like, oh well,

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the show today. I'm really excited. We do have a

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call waiting, so I'm gonna go ahead and get this

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out the way. The Atheas Experience is a product of

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pen theist. Is they want to talk about why pantheism

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well?

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Speaker 5: Can I just curtify something about my position really quick?

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Speaker 2: A pen atheist. Oh okay, yes, okay, explain that for

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Speaker 5: So I believe that God is both. I believe all

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of the physical universe is part of God. But then

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Speaker 5: So I just kind of wanted to explain why if

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that's okay, and then if you could, you know, provide

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Speaker 1: Sure, go ahead and explain why.

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Speaker 5: So my argument is as follows. Premise one. There either

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something is conceived through itself or it's conceived through something else.

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Speaker 5: If it's conceived through something else, it's an attribute, and

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's a substance.

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Speaker 5: Uh, promistery is? No two substances considered can share the

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then they would be the same substance. So substance necessarily

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Speaker 5: Because nothingness doesn't exist to confound the substance?

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Speaker 1: When you say this, but how would you know that? Though?

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Speaker 2: How would you know the knowledge that the universe holds?

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Well, I couldn't know all of the knowledge that the

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universe holds because I am finite.

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Speaker 6: But I know.

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Speaker 5: But the reason I know that the existence as a

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whole must now contain all knowledge is because, by definition,

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if existence is infinite and it contains all knowledge, that's

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what incinity means.

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Speaker 4: It means containing all.

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Speaker 1: I still don't see how you can call it God though.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we have an all knowing, all powerful substance

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which created the physical universe?

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it's it's it's the universe.

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Speaker 1: I still don't understand how you're calling it God.

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Speaker 4: I mean, has.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's maybe it's a matter of definition, but I

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would say that if something is infinite and has all

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no knowledge, then it is God.

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Speaker 1: But why does it have to be God?

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't, I don't understand it. Like, would you

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say life has all knowledge?

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Speaker 5: Life does not have all knowledge because life is finite.

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Speaker 2: It, but it does have like life is existence?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: No, life is not existence. Life is an attribute of existence.

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Speaker 2: So when something is alive, it doesn't exist. So when

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someone is alive, right, they are existing?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, and so this thing called existence, right, which is life?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Would you say that it has all knowledge? Would you

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say existence has all knowledge?

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Speaker 5: All of existence has all knowledge by definition?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And so existence is what you're calling God.

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Speaker 5: Well, specifically the substance that is infinite. I'm calling God.

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Speaker 2: The the substance that is infinite.

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Speaker 1: So you're calling.

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Speaker 2: Infinite I like, I don't, I don't know. I think

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this is unnecessary, Like it doesn't make sense to have

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to call existence the substance of existence God or the

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substance of the universe God.

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Speaker 1: I think it's unnecessary and.

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Speaker 2: It definitely doesn't prove that it's the Christian God or

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you know, the Abrahamic God.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not arguing specifically for the Abrahemic God. I'm

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arguing that God exists, And the reason that I'm calling

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the infinite substance God is because it has the contribute

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of being infinite and all knowing and all knowing. Infinite

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being is God.

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Speaker 2: But you're calling the universe of being. Do you see

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what I'm saying? You're calling existence of being? You're calling

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like it. I don't understand the need to do that, Like,

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I agree, right that one could look at, uh, the

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attributes of the universe. That could look at the attributes

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of nature and say, okay, this is what people consider.

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Speaker 1: To be God.

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Speaker 2: Right, the universe doesn't doesn't make promises.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: We could say that the universe has all knowledge. However,

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we wouldn't have any idea, uh, you know, of being

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able to prove.

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Speaker 1: That or even tap into that.

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Speaker 2: We could say, you know, existence is omnipresent. I don't

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see the need right of calling it God. I don't

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even see the need of needing an idea of a God, Like,

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what what does.

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Speaker 3: That do for you?

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Speaker 5: Well? To me, the reason that it's important to name

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the substance that is infinite and has infinite.

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Speaker 4: Attributes to God is.

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Speaker 5: Because traditionally God is conceived as that which is infinite

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has all knowledge and created the physical universe. And because

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of these things, I would consider that God. But this

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is like a spinosis conception. But if you don't accept

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that definition of God, that's fine. But many, but many

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people would call that God.

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Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't. Many people think that God is actually

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a being who can talk back to them.

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Speaker 1: The universe does not talk back.

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Speaker 2: The universe does not make promises, the universe does not

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intentionally punish. That's not what people are calling God. And

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I think that's the issue that I'm having because I

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can see, I can see the connection that you're making

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with the omni properties. Right. I reject the need to

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call it God because that is a a human concept

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to UH that had that has basically been UH personified

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to explain these things right within within this finite world.

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Does that make sense? So it's like it's anthropomorphizing the universe.

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Speaker 1: When you call it God.

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Speaker 5: If you don't want to call it, okay, So let

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me ask you this. If you don't, if you don't

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believe it's God, if you don't believe it should be

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called God or named God, and fine, but do you

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at least the acknowledge that the universe is incident and

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must have infinite attributes because of the syllogism that I gave.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree right that the universe is infinite. I

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agree that the universe would hold all knowledge, and like

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that's why I said. The only thing I reject is

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you calling it God.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So if you accept it it's incident that has

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infinite attributes and that has all knowledge, then we then

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I think essentially we philosophically agree, but I would disagree

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in calling it God. So perhaps unless your co hosts

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have something to say, I don't think I want to

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continue this conversation because I don't think it would be

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very productive in arguing semantics.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Zenna, do you have anything. I just

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don't see the point, Like, I don't. I don't see

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the point of you needing to call it God because

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it's not like the universe is going to talk back

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to you. It's not like the un of us has

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promised you anything. Like it does not fit what most

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people uh on their earth today is calling God and

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is believing that they're engaging with like you're not.

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Speaker 1: Like, I just don't see the point.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I definitely look at the universe as

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you know, something that is infinite. It definitely will contain

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all knowledge. I just don't think that we can engage

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with it in a way where we can understand, right,

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like what the universe is trying to say to us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that if something already has a label,

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if I feel like this is phil bro god of

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the gaps, talk like this is this is how, this

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is what I'm right, this is what I feel like,

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this is because we understand and I do like this syllogism,

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right that you know, you said that life has attributes

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and you attribute those things to God. They seem to match, right,

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But we already have a fundamental understanding of those things.

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Why do we need to, like think or said, actually

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have a being be at the center of that, right,

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I think it's weird. I don't know. Then I do agree.

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I think this may be a good point to separate

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ways if you want to, because you're not talking about

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the Christian God, right, because we know that that God

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does not exhibit all omni properties, even though people like

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to label it with such. We have other gods, to

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Thinker's point, that do not have the omni properties. So

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trying to make life a god, it seems a little weird.

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It seems like you just don't like what we have now,

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which is of you know, life is just experiencing time, right,

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Like I don't, I don't get anything.

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Speaker 2: He's saying life is. I don't think he's saying life

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is the God. I think he's saying the infinite of

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the infinite attributes of the universe is life.

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Speaker 3: Like one of that is God.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's saying that that's the infinite attributes of the

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innerverse of the universe is God. Is what makes it God?

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Because it's infinite, it contains all knowledge. But like what

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I really want to know the why behind it? Though,

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if you can help me understand that, I can understand

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where argument is semantic here, but I want to know

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the why, Like why do you need to call it God?

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That's what I'm interested in.

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Speaker 5: Well, the main So just to clarify, I'm not saying

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one of the attributes of the universe is God. I'm

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saying God is the same as.

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Speaker 4: All of existence, and you.

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Speaker 5: Can call that the universe, although not just the physical universe,

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would be every attribute of the infinite.

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Speaker 6: Substance right out of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the reason I call what God is because historically

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it's many philosophers and scientists like Albert Einstein and Berkshpanozza

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had considered this, you know, all encompassing, infant substance to

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be God. And so because of this tradition, I basically

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adopt the panantheist tradition. But if you just don't consider

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that a form of God, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: So you don't feel like you need a god? Though?

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Is that like you don't feel you.

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Speaker 2: Don't feel like you need to have an explanation for

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your existence and it has to be a God.

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Speaker 1: It can't just be existence, So it can't just be.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, I just can I'm saying I just consider

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existence itself to be God. But if you don't accept

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the definition, then we can we can move on.

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Speaker 2: Right When I said that earlier, you said that that's

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what you were talking about. But I'm asking, like, I

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understand that you accept existence to be God. Existence is

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all it is, right and no one can.

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Speaker 1: Deny that right.

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Speaker 2: I just what I'm trying to understand is why it

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can't just be called existence? Why do you need to

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label it god? Is My question? Is it because it explains?

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Is it answering some things for you? By calling it God.

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Speaker 5: So no, it's not because I feel the need to

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have a relationship with it or call it God because

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of that.

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Speaker 4: It's because of.

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Speaker 5: The fact that historically things that have to try the

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omnis and omni benevolent characteristics are called God.

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Speaker 2: Something that comes from Christianity though those that that's what

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I'm saying, that comes from Christianity, and the Christian God

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does not have those those properties. The Christian God does

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not know all things. The Christian God is an omnipresent.

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So like the these homni properties are not attributed to

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every God in history, those properties are attributed to the

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Christian God.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so then if that's the case, I think we're

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just gonna have to agree to disagree about what to

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call it. But I'm glad we agree that the universe

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is infinite. So in the meanwhile, I wish you a

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good day. But I don't think this is going to

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be a very productive conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, we're not, okay, have a good way. I

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don't understand, Like, what's the point of calling in to

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say the universe is infinite? Did we not know that already?

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Speaker 1: And then like you need to call a.

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Speaker 2: God Like I don't understand that, and I think that's

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the more interesting conversation.

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Speaker 3: But thank you for calling. Yeah, that's why I was like,

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you're phil brow gout of the gaps, like you're just rewording,

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remaking things fitting God where you want to. You reject

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Christian God, so you're literally making up your own God

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by calling God the universe but with the attributes, right,

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because he said I still have his syllogism that the

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attributes that you're giving this God or giving the universe

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this God does not have and does not consistently show,

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So to say that it is a god, it's very weird,

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Like I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it, and I didn't know what the

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fuck to call the.

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Speaker 1: I don't think supremeatory is in the box on purpose?

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Speaker 2: Suprematory? Are you in the request on purpose?

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Speaker 3: On TikTok?

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Speaker 2: The events that happened in the within the other planets,

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like I'm sure they don't call it weather, but there's

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ship that happens, right, there's storms, meteorite showers and all that.

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But so when you when that shit happens, it's not

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called weather, but would you say that that is also omnipresent,

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like ship like that happens all over the universe, right,

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And so I don't I got I don't. I don't

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get it. I don't. I don't get the point in that,

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and the fact that he would not go into why

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he needs it to why he needs to call it God,

476
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I don't know. All right, y'all go ahead and give

477
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us a call at where's the number five one two

478
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,000
nine nine nine two four to two, or you can

479
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go to TikTok and request we do want to talk

480
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about whether God is the ultimate debbe dad today. And

481
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I think that in the the Vidic Kingdom time, he

482
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would have gotten a gold medal because he helped his

483
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son get up.

484
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, like that's what dads do. Like you're my son

485
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has just ran over somebody. My son ain't going to jail.

486
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He's my favorite. I got money, honey, Like no, so yeah,

487
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like his kids were what Samson? He possessing Sampson let

488
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him murk a whole bunch of people, got Abraham pimping people.

489
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Speaker 7: You know.

490
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Speaker 2: I saw a post on YouTube that talked about how

491
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Abraham was a protective husband. Then they said David was

492
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a righteous husband.

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Speaker 3: Don't make me laugh. How did you explain that Abraham

494
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was a protective husband.

495
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Speaker 2: It was. It was one of those posts like I

496
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didn't really you know what I did. I screenshot it

497
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because you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna make

498
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a video. Because Abraham pimped his wife, like there's no way,

499
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like you pimped his wife. Then he taught his son

500
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how to pimp his wife, right. And then he had

501
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a baby mama that he kicked out because his wife

502
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,680
got jealous of the baby mama. He kicked her out

503
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and the child and sent them out with some bread

504
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and a kind of water, and they lived in the desert.

505
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And then somehow his God goes ay, you gotta go.

506
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You can't stay here, but I promise you, I'm gonna

507
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take care of the baby. Down the line, he's gonna

508
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get child's board. When Abraham died, he got nothing. When

509
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Abraham died, he did not get any of the inheritance.

510
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But he was a protective husband, and why no.

511
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Speaker 5: And then.

512
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Speaker 2: The David, being a righteous husband.

513
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Speaker 3: He cheated on his wives that he already had with

514
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Dshiba because him and that Sheeba were not married.

515
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Speaker 2: So he added uh, he just added Bethsheba to his

516
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cerema wives like he just he after he abused his

517
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power as king to sleep with her, to hide what

518
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he did. He kills her husband and then just throws

519
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her to the harem, like ask her to the horrem

520
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of wines?

521
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Speaker 1: Where like, where are they getting this stuff from?

522
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Speaker 4: That?

523
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Speaker 2: These men were protective and righteous and it was it

524
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was one more Joe. The only one I agreed with

525
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was Joe. And they called him the enduring husband, and

526
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he did. He was an enduring husband. He did endure.

527
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Speaker 1: He did not die.

528
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Speaker 2: She washed his bulls.

529
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Speaker 3: He just told her.

530
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Speaker 2: You know, women hushed her mouth. We just we serve

531
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God around here.

532
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Speaker 1: He did not.

533
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Speaker 2: God did not kill his wife. So I don't know

534
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if it was because of Joe. I don't know, but

535
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he he endured to the end.

536
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Speaker 3: I mean, but didn't she have to go work and stuff?

537
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Speaker 2: Like they don't know that.

538
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:55,079
Speaker 1: They don't they don't know that.

539
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Speaker 2: They don't need this up to it.

540
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Speaker 3: Okay, they don't know that, right. I'm just because she

541
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,599
was out there while he was, you know, busting boils

542
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,279
in his booty hole, like she was out there making

543
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some stuff shape.

544
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they don't know that though, you know, they

545
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,400
don't do no research, they don't.

546
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Speaker 2: They don't because I'm like sho, but it says he

547
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,359
didn't endure, Like the only reason why they called him

548
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the enduring husband is because his story is about faith.

549
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But I mean, I they just be telling these people

550
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anything and they just bite bite bite on it. Because

551
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,119
nowhere in this Bible where David and Bethsheba are seen

552
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,759
in love, like, you don't see that. And she takes

553
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,519
she becomes queen when Solomon uh becomes king, like she

554
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,279
becomes the queen mother, and Solomon puts her at his

555
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right hand.

556
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Speaker 3: He bows to her in front of.

557
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Speaker 2: Everybody, which was it's not supposed to happen. He bows

558
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,680
to her in front of everybody. It makes her his

559
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,200
right hand, and she becomes the queen mother and she

560
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runs the whole kingdom.

561
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Speaker 3: That's because she had she had a plan. She was

562
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weighing David out. I think he spoke about that right

563
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:12,599
about it. Yes, yes, yes was bad. She was revenge

564
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And I agree with that because you think you're gonna

565
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,159
make a fool out of me, but you're at your

566
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,119
I like that a lot.

567
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. And then I saw another

568
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video where there was a pastor in a red he

569
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,639
had a blood red jacket on with some blood red shoes,

570
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talking about God. Don't get jealous of me because I

571
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live in and mentioned my daddy take care of me.

572
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He said, don't get mad to me because I'm chosen.

573
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Speaker 4: He said.

574
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Speaker 2: When you see me, you see the incarnate of God.

575
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Speaker 3: As well, he's saying he don't like Paul because Paul

576
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,239
basically said the same ship. He said, you know, I

577
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,639
forgive your sins, I bless you. That's what Paul was saying.

578
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,559
We read that the other day. I'm like, ill, why

579
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:05,000
would you like, I never understand these pastors who come

580
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,000
and like they're all fancy and gussied up. Meanwhile, the

581
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,639
person that's sitting in the back pew had to take

582
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,679
three buses in a transfer just to get to your church.

583
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,400
And you're supposed are you blessing people? Are you helping

584
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,360
your congregation?

585
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Speaker 2: Like that's weird, yeah, but that's why they tell them like,

586
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don't get jealous. Like they're literally talking to the poor

587
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,920
people that they're taking the money from, and they're like,

588
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,079
don't get jealous because I'm chosen. When you see me,

589
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,239
he said, when you see me, you see the incarnate

590
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,199
of God. And then what the oppressed does is they

591
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,840
stitch those videos and they go, that's not God.

592
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: Your father is the devil.

593
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, Buck, it's not. That's stay daddy,

594
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:52,840
that's stay Daddy.

595
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,639
Speaker 2: They get mad because the crazy thing about it is

596
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,960
is that what the pastor is saying it's true. That's

597
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,800
the crazy thing.

598
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: What the pastor is saying.

599
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: It's true.

600
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: He's doing everything that this God says do and says

601
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,239
to do in this book. But you see the devil

602
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,280
when you see the pastor doing that, that's because of

603
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,719
your God.

604
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: You ever heard that song stunning like my daddy. You

605
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,800
ain't never stun in like by daddy. I'm just studying

606
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,079
like my daddy age. So that's when you get off here.

607
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,480
Go listen to that song and think about what we're

608
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,599
talking about, because they do it kind of stunt, just

609
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,440
like their daddy, which is God. And then when we

610
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,119
point out the crazy evil things that their daddy is doing,

611
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:41,119
or the fact that their daddy is showing favoritism to

612
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,559
them but not to others, Oh well, you know, he's

613
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:51,800
a special case. It's special. It's special. Okay, interesting, Well,

614
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,599
all right, y'all.

615
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,519
Speaker 1: Go ahead and give us a call in.

616
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:55,679
Speaker 2: If you're on YouTube, y'all tap the screen over their

617
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,000
shall live out. Make sure y'all feed the beasts, do

618
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:00,800
all those good things to help get some people.

619
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Speaker 3: In the room.

620
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Speaker 2: We are here with Zenamey and her submissive men shared.

621
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Let me go ahead and do these announcements. I'd be

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forgetting as a new host.

623
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Speaker 1: Dot org to get involved.

645
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Speaker 2: All right, Zina, tell us about the conversation. Have y'all

646
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,480
had conversations today about the God the Father?

647
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Speaker 1: I didn't get to join y'all this morning.

648
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Speaker 3: So not about God the Father, but I have had

649
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,039
conversations about this before where I think last Father's Day,

650
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,599
I did ask why is God such a dead beat? Like,

651
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,320
you know, there's a lot of expectations we have for

652
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,039
human fathers, right, but unfortunately sometimes they just do not

653
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,320
step up to the plate. And it's just basic things

654
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,199
like buy some diapers, right, don't think that your babysitting

655
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,199
your child, spend time with your child, right? Financially, right,

656
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,840
be prefered financially to help me out with bills or

657
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
anything that comes with raising a child. And then I

658
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:20,719
kind of compared it to the Bible, right, and I

659
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,320
was looking at how God provided for some children, but

660
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,920
he didn't provide for others. How he showed favoritism to

661
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,039
some and if a father was doing that on earth,

662
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,480
you would set them aside and say, hey, you're not

663
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,039
fostering a loving relationship with your other child, So how

664
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:43,480
do you expect right for your other child to see

665
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,840
you as a hero, to see you as somebody they

666
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,920
want to look up to. Right, I am that other child.

667
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,800
Your God, if it really cared for me as a father,

668
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,719
would show me his love. Right, respect my free will.

669
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,360
Right they like to call it free will. Respect my

670
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free will, respect what I want to do. But the

671
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thing is, it's not. It's going to condemn me. His

672
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,159
favorite children tell me I'm going to hell. His favorite

673
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:16,119
children say that my sexuality is a sin. And I

674
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,840
don't understand why he neglects us and leads us to

675
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our own devices when he says that he's not going

676
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,280
to there's a whole bunch, but it's confusing as hell. Yeah,

677
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,559
they expect us to ignore that though.

678
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and still call him good, still say that he's

679
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,400
a good father, which is like, have you ever heard

680
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,719
someone say that they don't talk bad about the other

681
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,360
parent in front of the parent, that in front of

682
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the children, they don't talk about it about.

683
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Speaker 3: The parent that left in front of the children.

684
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Speaker 2: It seems like that is how you know, we've been

685
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,880
taught to see the God like you can't despite the

686
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,719
fact that you know this God did not answer your

687
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,360
phone call when you prayed. You didn't, you know, get

688
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,440
the Christmas gift that you wanted, the healing that you want.

689
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,519
Like you can't talk bad about Bruno. You got to

690
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,599
pretend like he showed up to everything's given to every

691
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,920
birthday party, to every graduation. Right when you were sick,

692
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,079
he was there giving you medicine. You don't have to pretend,

693
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,119
and you have to be both parts of the relationship

694
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,039
when it comes to this God being a.

695
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: Dad one hundred percent, And it makes me wonder about

696
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,000
this whole, like providing for us, and that's something that

697
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,199
I still can't wrap my head around. Right. A lot

698
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,360
of Christians like to say, well, God so loved the world,

699
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:50,440
and we know the other part he gave his only

700
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:55,719
begotten son. But if he's truly loving the world, why

701
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,400
won't he answer our prayers? And then he gets pissed

702
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,039
off when there are requests that we ask for, right,

703
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,880
Like God, I need for you to clear out this hospital.

704
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My cousin's in there. I've got other family, I've got friends.

705
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,559
I just see children who shouldn't have to experience their

706
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:19,679
last moments in debilitating pain. God, clear out this hospital.

707
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I am your child. I'm coming to you as your child, right.

708
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But he won't do it. God, I need this bill paid.

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Speaker 2: Right.

710
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Speaker 3: I've been working as hard as I can. You know

711
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:32,760
I've been doing my best. I've been saving money, but

712
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,159
it's just not enough. God. Can you provide for me

713
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,159
like you promised? And just like a deadbeat father on earth,

714
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,039
just like one who says I'm gonna come next week

715
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,840
or I'm gonna get you that PlayStation, right, I promise

716
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,639
you I'm gonna do it. When you see those promises

717
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:52,400
in the Bible not being fulfilled, who is to blame?

718
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,320
Who is to blame for God's negligence when he doesn't

719
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400
do what he says, when he doesn't fulfill the prayer

720
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,719
that he says, I have the power to ask, ask

721
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,000
anything in my name, his weird little son said, right,

722
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:08,719
and it's going to happen.

723
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you have to tell yourself that you actually

724
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,880
didn't deserve it, like you can't say that he's not

725
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,519
fulfilling it. You have to say that you didn't deserve it,

726
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,800
or that he loves you so much. He didn't give

727
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,559
it to you because it would have been bad for you.

728
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:27,760
It would have hurt you in the long run for

729
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,599
you to get that job for one hundred thousand dollars

730
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,679
a year, and because he didn't give it to you,

731
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,440
because he knew that that would make you leave him.

732
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,079
And he loves you so much one hundred thousand dollars

733
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,119
in your job would make you leave him, so he

734
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,880
kept you. He didn't give you eyeglasses like you prayed,

735
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,480
and you prayed and asked him to bless your earthly

736
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:52,679
parents to be able to get you eyeglasses. He answered

737
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,360
that prayer because he thought, if you see the light,

738
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,440
you might see the room, what right, and you might

739
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:00,960
leave you.

740
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,199
Speaker 3: The light that I see on the road is some

741
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,960
damn the break lights.

742
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, oh, you know he had the

743
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,280
blind and Paul, he had the blind Paul. So Paul

744
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,760
didn't look over that. Calu is in my head right now.

745
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,320
I don't know.

746
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: He was preaching today. He was he was reading and

747
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,760
then you're reading a zeque old thinker. Okay, as a father,

748
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,480
this might kiss some of y'all off. But okay, as

749
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:37,960
a father, why would you refer to your children right

750
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,239
in a manner that is inappropriate?

751
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: Right?

752
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,119
Speaker 3: If I'm if I am a father to a child,

753
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:50,880
I would not talk about my child's body it in

754
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:55,079
inappropriate way. I would not talk about how I love

755
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,559
my child so much? Ah Ezekiel sixteen.

756
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,039
Speaker 2: Right. You know what that reminds me of, though, Ramula's

757
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:06,679
Romula's and remis like they were lived on the side

758
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:07,079
of the road.

759
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, the twins, right, yeah, mm hmm, yeah, mm hmmm.

760
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,559
Speaker 2: I found you.

761
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: Huh No, he like, I'm just saying, He's like, I

762
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,920
found you, you know, but you're you were already my daddy.

763
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,199
How are you finding me your child on the side

764
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:25,559
of the road. You're gonna clean me up, You're gonna

765
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:28,880
adorn me, you're gonna put fragrance on me, You're going

766
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,480
to take my virginity right, and then you're gonna get

767
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,159
mad when I want to go explore the world. I

768
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,760
am your child. And another weird aspect to this whole

769
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,920
father thing is the fact that we are supposed to

770
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,480
be a bridegroom. So not only that as your child,

771
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:52,159
you're setting me up with your son. I'm supposed to

772
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,559
be marrying Jesus. The church is supposed to be marrying

773
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:01,639
it's brother. Like, that's weird to me. And the fact

774
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:06,320
that nobody else finds this weird that you know, he's

775
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,280
my husband and my brother. And if you believe in

776
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,119
the trinity, if you're a Trinitarian, he is also God

777
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,239
marrying his children. That's after up. Does nobody happen to.

778
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: Be talking about that?

779
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the unspeakable in the in the book.

780
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: I don't like it.

781
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 3: It's very creepy. It's very creepy.

782
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to say, there is a call in

783
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,840
the screen room. I don't know if it's ready. Oh,

784
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,920
super insist is insane?

785
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: Super? You see the chat?

786
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,679
Speaker 2: That is insane?

787
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:50,639
Speaker 3: Hey on TikTok, y'all.

788
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: Is the is the always ready?

789
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:03,159
Speaker 2: Okay? This is Tom from Tech says they them, They

790
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,400
pronounced them. Tom says God is not only a dead

791
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,880
be dad, he abandons all creations. I would have to

792
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,400
agree with you there, Tom, Welcome to the atheist experience.

793
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,559
Speaker 1: Any want to stalk this on them?

794
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? What's up? Tom? How are you doing today?

795
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:19,559
Speaker 6: I'm doing all right?

796
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: This is uh.

797
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,639
Speaker 4: I've been watching the show for like maybe like fifteen

798
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,840
or so odd years, and I just I felt like

799
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,280
calling in because.

800
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 6: It was dead and it's a dead conversation, so.

801
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,519
Speaker 4: I thought I'd tried to contribute.

802
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 3: Well, what are your thoughts? I heard that as they

803
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,599
were screaming you, you stated not only just to humans,

804
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:45,159
but our creation. And I've not even thought about the

805
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:46,079
little flouts that.

806
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: It's real, Like I don't, yeah, God, but like if

807
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:53,320
they what people say and there is some cosmic creation,

808
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:58,159
I don't think that they are currently watching the earth

809
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:02,480
and listening to our your podcast right now. I would

810
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,599
think that if something like that does exist out there,

811
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:08,800
and I don't, he would be moving on to much

812
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,800
interesting things. Like I work on stuff all the time,

813
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:14,960
and when I'm done with it, I don't go back

814
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:20,039
to it. I move on. And the just he is

815
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,400
a dead beat dad. He is a dead beat dad

816
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,199
in every sense of the word, like he abandons creations

817
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,639
at best, at worst he torments them. But it is

818
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,840
interesting that there is such a is the previous color

819
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:47,719
Head was fascinated with still referring to the universe as

820
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:55,159
God and just like having this not affliction affinity for it,

821
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:00,119
even though there is not many redeeming qualities outside of

822
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,840
in the lore of the universe creating existence, which is like, sure,

823
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:11,800
we have existence, but it is just.

824
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say, I so far, I'm with you.

825
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:25,320
You've got me, right, because I think that you know,

826
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,280
sometimes we want things to be greater than ourselves, right,

827
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,559
we want things to be greater than our own understanding,

828
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,119
but we can't really put words to that, so we

829
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,760
just attach a label that feels most comfortable for us.

830
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:43,400
Right when it comes to God, I have again this

831
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,840
is kind of internal critique stuff, but I have such

832
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,599
a gripe with this God that I tell people all

833
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,719
the time, Tom, if it comes right now, right here,

834
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,440
like man, knee caps are gone. I'm so serious because

835
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,239
you're right, Like, think about the fact that we've gone

836
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,719
from what global warming to global boiling? Right, We're at

837
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,079
a point of no return on this earth, on this planet,

838
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:14,159
and his children are literally trying to bring in his

839
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,440
coming without giving a crap about the earth. Right, How

840
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,719
is it okay for an all loving god to do

841
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,239
something like that? You don't even care that the zones

842
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,119
right the You know, my boyfriend, he does a lot

843
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,519
of gardening, and you know, I help. I'm smartt but

844
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,320
the zones have shifted, right, crops are going to fail

845
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,079
that this is going to be so detrimental to our

846
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,360
future children, you know, or anybody who's living in the

847
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,199
next twenty years. So I'm one hundred percent there with

848
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,000
you when you say that he doesn't care. And it's

849
00:50:56,039 --> 00:51:00,719
not just humans, it's the whole big picture. We were

850
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,880
talking with somebody, I don't know if you were listening.

851
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,320
You were talking to somebody the other day about a

852
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,280
theory about God. He created us and he just left,

853
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,719
He just abandoned us, like he put the story together right,

854
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,239
like a screenplay, and we're just kind of in PCs

855
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,480
who are just acting things out. You don't have a

856
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:27,679
choice that you may starve tomorrow because you were born

857
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:31,800
in XYZ area. You don't have a choice that you

858
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,719
may not live tomorrow because you know you were you know,

859
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:41,880
unalive in a certain area, right Like, you don't have

860
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:46,079
those choices because God has already preordained and predestined and

861
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,320
just left. He's gone, So he's not going to save us.

862
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,400
So I've definitely heard a theory like that before tom

863
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,960
and it might be real, might be true, but I.

864
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 4: Don't know, I don't think it is. I think you're

865
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,239
just here. And I was thinking to myself, and I

866
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,920
don't mean to heal turned too much with this, but

867
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,360
I when I was younger, like I'm in my thirties,

868
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,800
like I used to be like this big debate bro

869
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:22,880
with religion. And as I've gotten older, I've been less

870
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:28,800
argumentative with people about that because I feel like we're

871
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:32,000
fighting with each other when the people who are causing

872
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,199
the global warming, the people that are causing the hunger,

873
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:41,159
are just profiting by us fighting with each other over

874
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,880
frivolous things like an imaginary creature in the sky, and

875
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:53,840
the problems persist. And I just wish that we could

876
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,559
be able to put aside like these beliefs that are

877
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:03,280
don't matter in the grand scheme of things and actually

878
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:08,360
fight against the people who are causing real harm in

879
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:14,079
our everyday world. Because a lot of these calls it's

880
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,519
not going to be productive. But if we could all

881
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,159
band together and actually fight against the people who are

882
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:27,880
causing global and causing human suffering, causing problems with these

883
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,360
data centers that they are building, even here in Texas.

884
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 7: Like.

885
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: We could be able to make real progress. And it's

886
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:44,320
just frustrating, as I age, just we don't bring the

887
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,320
fight to the big people.

888
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,599
Speaker 2: I agree, which is why I don't typically do debates

889
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,159
on my show. I focus on discussing so that we

890
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:56,760
can get.

891
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,559
Speaker 6: To the I'm sorry, but I didn't mean I'm sorry to.

892
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 4: Interrupt you again. I'm sorry.

893
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:08,119
Speaker 3: Can you hear me.

894
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. The website is kind of finicky. Oh but yeah,

895
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,039
I apologize. The website was kind of cynicchy, But I

896
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,679
just I didn't mean to say that they I understand discussion,

897
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,679
but just.

898
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I didn't take offense to it. I'm

899
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,159
saying I agree that I think that the the base

900
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,639
can be fun, but I don't think that it provides

901
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,800
room to get to the nitty gritty of the problem. First,

902
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,199
I identifying what's causing it, kind of trying to help

903
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,880
take the fog off of people's minds right when it

904
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,760
comes to what we're uh experienced seeing in society, and

905
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,039
kind of helping them see the two connections. Like I

906
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,199
don't necessarily focus on saying you you don't need to

907
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,400
believe it in God, I'm like, hey, look do you

908
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,119
see how these two things are connected. To try to

909
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:17,360
help them see how they are contributing to their own

910
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:19,840
oppression or.

911
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: Their own hunger.

912
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: Illnesses, you know, global warming, the things that they're advocating for,

913
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:37,159
and how those that are in power are using this belief,

914
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,679
these sacred texts in order to drive these things, even

915
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,559
driving cultural wars, to keep us fighting with each other,

916
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,559
even about the existence of a god, as they continue

917
00:55:50,639 --> 00:56:00,480
to you know, push these harmful behaviors even further.

918
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,199
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

919
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:10,079
Speaker 2: So, like, I try to focus more on discussing the issue,

920
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:17,000
in discussing how the belief affects society rather than ha,

921
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,920
how you have a belief in God?

922
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, again, I wasn't to did not mean to

923
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:29,760
be pointing fingers. That was not mine.

924
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't think you were pointing fingers.

925
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:41,079
Speaker 4: But yeah, do you think that we will actually have

926
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,320
change in our lifetime or do you think we'll be

927
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,199
able to move the needle?

928
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,079
Speaker 1: Not in my lifetime? How do I'm forty I'll be

929
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:55,039
forty six this year.

930
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: I think we will see thank you.

931
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: It's actually in a couple of weeks.

932
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, that's exciting. I hope you have fun.

933
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. So I think we're starting to see

934
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,840
the needle move a little bit, not the way that

935
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:19,000
you know a lot of us will hope where we

936
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:25,800
see this massive exodus outside of belief altogether, not just Christianity, but.

937
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,239
Speaker 1: Within my community.

938
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: It is exciting to see the door open up to

939
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,960
where we can take a breath and say, hey, I'm atheist,

940
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,559
where we couldn't before. And so that is a needle

941
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:42,880
being moved. I will say, but I think we're looking

942
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,800
maybe one hundred to one hundred and fifty more year.

943
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,119
Speaker 3: That is mm hm, yeah, I don't think that, and

944
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:54,760
I hate to be pessimistic, but I think there's going

945
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,119
to be a rubber band effect where they are going

946
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,400
to try to come down very hard on speech, on

947
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:07,119
people who look like me, people like you, Tom, people

948
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:11,400
like Thinker Kelly, like that are outspoken. If you are

949
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,880
I don't know if you are, som but that are

950
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:19,000
outspoken about the fact. And that's okay, that's okay, that

951
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:21,760
is Look, we all start somewhere, right. But I think

952
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,960
that the more that we have these platforms, the more

953
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,760
that they're gonna come and combat and push back on

954
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,559
the fact that we are again, to Thinker's point, not

955
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,159
just saying nan any booboo your God sucks, but looking

956
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,760
at the history of the God, looking at the history

957
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,400
and the creation of the character Jesus, right, looking at

958
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,599
how it influences us every day, and exposing people to

959
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,400
that fact that you're praying to a god, but he

960
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:55,840
isn't doing anything for you, You're doing it yourself. And

961
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,280
not to sound woogoo, but I think the power that

962
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,800
be don't want people to have self confidence. They need sheep,

963
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,679
they don't need leaders, right, yeah. They don't want people

964
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:16,639
to find confidence and power with sorry, with empower within themselves.

965
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:22,119
So this when you're deconstructing I think Christianity and any

966
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:26,199
of the Abrahamic religions, you really are calling power back

967
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:29,760
to yourself. You're saying God didn't work hard and buy

968
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,679
this car I did, right, But the Christian God is

969
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,920
very much and it appeals to authority. When you stop

970
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:43,719
doing that, now, the government has an issue, or not

971
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,079
the government, sorry, but the powers that be have an issue.

972
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Right.

973
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: So that's why I don't think that we're going to

974
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:59,320
see a real big change right until and I agree

975
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,039
with thinkers time at least one hundred to one hundred

976
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:05,960
and fifty years where there's not I think what two

977
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:10,199
percent of atheists in the country or whatever that number is.

978
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:14,000
I'm probably wrong in that, and I apologize, but that

979
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:19,559
percentage will increase. But you know, as long as people

980
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,960
are speaking to this God, as long as people are

981
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:28,119
going and paying pastors to tell them that they're wretched

982
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:32,079
slaves and they deserve to have their money taken from them,

983
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,119
it's never going to die out. It's always going to

984
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:43,639
be a problem. But I think we have hope. I

985
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,199
have hope.

986
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:49,039
Speaker 4: I just wish I had better health care so I

987
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:51,000
could see that one hundred and fifty years from now.

988
01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:00,320
But I just hope for the next generation, like I

989
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,079
see them.

990
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: You know, the younger generation now being more willing to question,

991
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:10,880
even though some of them are still believers. They're willing

992
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,119
to push back on things that don't make sense to them,

993
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:20,440
and they're willing to reject it outright, even though they

994
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,480
are still kind of like hanging on to tradition. And

995
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:29,119
some of them, the younger men, are being indoctrinated into

996
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:29,920
a new.

997
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:31,679
Speaker 1: Form of.

998
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: Belief. Yes, and they and they're still hanging on to

999
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,880
this God because the God UH defines in UH this masculinity,

1000
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:51,039
and it UH gives it authority and so even though

1001
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:55,880
they don't necessarily, you know, hold to the fairy tales,

1002
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,119
like the mythologies, they still have gone to the idea

1003
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:02,199
of the God, the Christian God, giving them this authority

1004
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:07,400
of being the one with dominion on earth. And they're

1005
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,000
going after younger males.

1006
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, very vulnerable.

1007
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: And so I will say that I've seen a lot

1008
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,679
of young men even push back. It's about probably fifty

1009
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,400
to fifty right now pushing back even on that. And

1010
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,960
so I have hope in the younger crew. Most of

1011
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:35,599
my children are atheists. I have one that is a

1012
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:39,320
Christian and one that I identifies as spiritual.

1013
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: But I did not raise them in the church.

1014
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,159
Speaker 2: The same way that I was, even though when they

1015
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,800
were younger we did. And then even though we didn't

1016
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,880
go to church, they saw me praying right, but I

1017
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,880
still didn't push what I believed on them. And then

1018
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,360
when they saw me deconstructing, I still I allowed them

1019
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,840
to ask their questions. I allowed them to go uh

1020
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,840
through their process of critical thinking and and then where

1021
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:12,400
they felt made the most sense for them. And I

1022
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,239
see a lot of the youth doing that, especially like

1023
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,039
the ones that come up and talk on Tuesday nights.

1024
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,239
I have eighteen and up and allow the youth to

1025
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,199
be a part of the conversation because I don't talk

1026
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:26,880
to people's kids about faith. But when they're eighteen and up,

1027
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,920
come up like they're so bright and well not for

1028
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,360
some reason, the males are not. They come up that

1029
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,719
they're so filled with not the not all of them.

1030
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,199
Most of the young eighteen year olds are already filled

1031
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:43,679
with like the masculinity right, and they want to fight

1032
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,239
about what it means to be a man instead of

1033
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,199
talking about the topics. But the young the young girls

1034
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,039
that come up with the young men, I mean the

1035
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:53,480
young women.

1036
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: They they're already.

1037
01:03:56,039 --> 01:04:01,599
Speaker 2: Thinking about the future and how this is going to

1038
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,440
affect us from years to come. So like I'm I'm

1039
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:09,360
really really excited about about this age group, and I

1040
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,800
think they are going to end up being the ones

1041
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,079
that's going to usher in the largest change. But we

1042
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:17,760
have quite a ways to go with them. I think

1043
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,480
it's going to be how they raise their kids. It's

1044
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,719
really going to do it well.

1045
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 4: I think what you're doing with your kids, even the

1046
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:28,159
one who is starting to go into the spiritual route,

1047
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,800
is a good thing. I've always believed that as people,

1048
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:38,599
we just have to instill the best qualities that we

1049
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,000
have and tell them to the next generation and let

1050
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:48,360
them decide, have the freedom to decide what they want

1051
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,800
to do with that information, and then kind of like

1052
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,000
foreign prison. Barack Obama actually said a little while ago,

1053
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,719
to get the help out of their way and let

1054
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:02,920
them pay with their own path.

1055
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: And I.

1056
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,679
Speaker 4: Wish more people thought like that, because I do have

1057
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,559
faith that as time goes on, things will get better.

1058
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,199
It's fucking slow, and I'm sorry for cursy.

1059
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:21,079
Speaker 1: No, you don't have the cursy. It's fucking slow, it is.

1060
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,599
Speaker 2: And I was thinking this morning, like I wish like

1061
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,000
all of these older people who are about to, like

1062
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:32,679
you know, get on the bus out of here, are

1063
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,199
trying to turn the clock back to make people who

1064
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:41,039
are still here experience what they experienced on vacation, Like

1065
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:48,280
why why does why does my vacation have to be

1066
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,159
like yours? And you getting ready to leave and go

1067
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:56,000
back home. You see what I'm saying. And it's because

1068
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,519
what's happening right now. The world that we need to

1069
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:07,000
get back to is a world that these older people

1070
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:10,440
lived a long time ago, and they're almost done. And

1071
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,559
I hate to say it that way, But that trip

1072
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:18,280
is almost over, and what we should be doing is

1073
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:27,639
making sure that we leave the airbnb and a better condition. Yeah,

1074
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,960
then we left it right so that the people coming

1075
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,320
in next can have a better experience, can enjoy and

1076
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,239
have a bun experience, and be saying, but that's not

1077
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,800
what's happening. What's happening is the people who stayed in

1078
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,159
the airbnb go, oh, I.

1079
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: Like it this way, so I'm gonna change everything.

1080
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,159
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fuck all this up, fuck innovation, right, everybody

1081
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:51,280
ain't got to eat. I'm taking the food for myself. Like,

1082
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,599
that's what's happening right now, and we've got to stop

1083
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:59,679
it or else the babies that they keep saying that

1084
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:05,079
we need to have because abortion is wrong, where they're

1085
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:07,239
gonna they're not gonna have anywhere to live, They're gonna

1086
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,960
have any food to eat, they're gonna have clean air

1087
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:16,480
to breathe. Because all these old people who had a

1088
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:22,159
I don't know, awesome time when they were younger want

1089
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:23,280
to force everybody else to.

1090
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 3: Live like them.

1091
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:30,039
Speaker 4: It's not even that they had an awesome time, it's

1092
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:33,199
they are having an awesome time in their old years,

1093
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,960
and the only way for them to stay like that,

1094
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:40,000
and for their buddies who are younger than them, and

1095
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:44,400
when I say younger in their sixties, can be able

1096
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,960
to have that same fun time is just keeping everything

1097
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:53,039
down for the rest of us. And they just have

1098
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:58,840
to keep the world being, people being oppressed, people having

1099
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,760
to struggle so they can be able to profit and

1100
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,199
be able to have that one percent of one percent lifestyle,

1101
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,840
and a lot of us are just trying to get by.

1102
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:14,679
And I don't know how many people are listening right now,

1103
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:20,239
or and or if there's people behind me in the queue,

1104
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,800
but if there is nobody and you are listening to

1105
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,600
this right now, your voice matters. Please call in on

1106
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:30,079
the show.

1107
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 6: Your voice matter is just as much.

1108
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 4: Of mine, if not more. If you're younger than the

1109
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,279
please call in. We'd love to hear from you. And

1110
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,319
I'm happy to get the fuck out of the way.

1111
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:46,319
I stand by that, I believe by that, but.

1112
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 3: I love that.

1113
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 6: Thank you for that.

1114
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:53,520
Speaker 3: You brought us some really good points that I think

1115
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,800
is kind of something that's rolling around in all of

1116
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,920
our minds right now, the future and what it's going

1117
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,840
to look like in what legacy are we going to

1118
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:02,439
leave behind.

1119
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:08,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I won't take up your time if.

1120
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,119
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of weird because we don't have

1121
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,720
any callers today waiting.

1122
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,199
Speaker 4: Oh god, fucking damn it. Mother.

1123
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: I know, like this is weird. Maybe everybody's out celebrating

1124
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,880
their day. Everybody got dads.

1125
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:25,239
Speaker 1: All of a sudden.

1126
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:28,359
Speaker 3: I to say, maybe they're not so much dead feats

1127
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,119
so well.

1128
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 4: I'm it's maybe not the best traffic, or maybe after

1129
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:38,560
dad's go to bed people might call in. I don't

1130
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,880
know if you're doing this all day, I don't know.

1131
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:46,560
Uh uh if you guys you said you had a kid,

1132
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,079
I don't know if you're celebrating Father's Day or if

1133
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:50,000
you did that already.

1134
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm my grandmother.

1135
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 3: Oh mine is with his father.

1136
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 6: How are you having grandchildren?

1137
01:09:59,199 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 4: How can you afford?

1138
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:02,079
Speaker 6: How do your children afford to have children?

1139
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,239
Speaker 2: My oldest said is twenty three. I have he has

1140
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:06,840
two kids.

1141
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,159
Speaker 4: Older son is twenty three. Oh my goodness, that is wild.

1142
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. My youngest is age to be eighteen, and next

1143
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,880
week I was will be my youngest will be eighteen

1144
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,319
this week.

1145
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 4: Big time for birthdays.

1146
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but.

1147
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Somebody commented on one of the videos and was

1148
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,039
like think her, saying that she's she's getting ready to

1149
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:32,720
be forty six, means she's almost fifty, says something about her.

1150
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what yet, and I'm like, he said.

1151
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,399
Speaker 2: You're aging. Why am I closer to fifty or not?

1152
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 6: Like people I know?

1153
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 4: That means, let me explain for the young people watching. Look,

1154
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:48,840
we're not bad people as we get older. The problem

1155
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:51,279
is things stop working.

1156
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 6: Bones are creaking things like we want to be fun

1157
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,560
and young, like.

1158
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,119
Speaker 4: We most of us here, and like the people in

1159
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:03,279
the chat were people, not old. Old people are bad people.

1160
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:06,720
It's just some people that are good just don't move

1161
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,840
the same as they used.

1162
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 6: To, and we want to.

1163
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:14,039
Speaker 4: I used to go to conventions and walk the floors

1164
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:18,199
for an entire weekend, or go to vestivals, and uh,

1165
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,680
I can't do that without medication anymore. But I do.

1166
01:11:22,079 --> 01:11:22,279
Speaker 6: Right.

1167
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hold you when I get older. I

1168
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,439
just want to have like my little nice house with

1169
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,239
a porch and a rock chair and a little baby

1170
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,920
right there on my shoulder to you know, just get

1171
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,520
off of my line, like that's that's the dream. I'm

1172
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,079
not gonna hold you. That ain't gonna help me.

1173
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:47,079
Speaker 2: I would never tell the kid to get off no, not.

1174
01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:50,319
Speaker 3: My babies, not my babies, but maybe the mailman come

1175
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,119
get go away.

1176
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: I told you my day's our neigh would be trivia.

1177
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:55,199
Speaker 3: I don't.

1178
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:58,239
Speaker 2: I don't understand the little old ladies and be like

1179
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,439
we're telling a toddler don't step on my grass, like

1180
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,279
it's a toddler a child.

1181
01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 4: I don't.

1182
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

1183
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,279
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this. Don't live in like a

1184
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:11,279
homeowner's association or oh never kind of places. Yeah, those

1185
01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:13,880
are the worst. Like if you hate your neighbors, Like,

1186
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,920
you don't hate your neighbors until you live in a

1187
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,600
homeowners association. I've heard.

1188
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,079
Speaker 3: I used to live in one. I really do.

1189
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:23,199
Speaker 2: I love my neighbors. I never had any problems with them.

1190
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:33,119
Speaker 4: My parents got sued by their neighbors. Crazy man thought

1191
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:37,359
that his house was flooding because of my mother's garden.

1192
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,000
He was alone. People that live in a homeowners and

1193
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:48,920
station and are basically like vocational spots like Florida. Like

1194
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:56,000
people don't go to Florida to retire and be.

1195
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 6: Old and just do that.

1196
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,399
Speaker 4: They do that to go there, retire the old plane

1197
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:04,760
and just never retired to Florida. You're just gonna feel

1198
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:05,880
older than you actually are.

1199
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 6: But being fifty it's not a bad thing.

1200
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,359
Speaker 4: It just things are gonna not just be working as

1201
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:17,039
much as they used to. So I'm only.

1202
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,359
Speaker 6: Thirty and I fear fifty, but not for just being old.

1203
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 4: It just feeling old. That's the worst part.

1204
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: You said you're always thirty.

1205
01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 4: Thirty two, although I was twenty three years I mean, well.

1206
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: You feel that first knee crack? Friend, let me know,

1207
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:43,359
because both of my knees are cracking now, and I'm like, oh.

1208
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 6: Do you think if I was like healthy thirty two,

1209
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:47,840
I'd be calling in on the.

1210
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 4: Station though, like my body is broken. So I'm just oh,

1211
01:13:55,239 --> 01:14:02,279
mysmit by car like three times. Oh wow, yeah yeah,

1212
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,800
uh I it has not been an easy life for me,

1213
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:14,439
but uh not with the like unsafe drivers that live

1214
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:20,720
in uh Texas and the bad healthcare. But I do

1215
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,039
what I can. But yeah, just people get old. It's

1216
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,880
the thing about getting old. It's not about uh in

1217
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:31,600
the judgment that young people have about people getting old.

1218
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,439
It's not about uh. It's about how you age with

1219
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,600
grace and not be old and bitter or old and

1220
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:48,039
unwilling to let young people go on and like do

1221
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,159
their own part. Their own path. You have to get

1222
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:54,680
the fuck out of the way as you get old,

1223
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,560
and it's I hear it's as people get older, it's

1224
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,279
very alluring to tell people how to do things, and

1225
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:09,920
I I even try to give my advice. But like,

1226
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:13,760
the best thing you can is tell them what you've found,

1227
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,880
but you can't force it on them, and you have

1228
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:17,760
to let them.

1229
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,359
Speaker 6: Find out their path and life.

1230
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 4: Hope that they don't just teach them the mistakes that

1231
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,640
you made, but don't tell them how to go about

1232
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,000
their lives. That's the key thing.

1233
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they will listen, that's the main thing.

1234
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:42,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, then keep it keeping their ears. Then they'll make

1235
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:43,640
the same mistakes.

1236
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,039
Speaker 4: But then they might look back and then they can

1237
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:49,760
try and again the needle will move slowly like one

1238
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,960
hundred and fifty years, like you said, But just we

1239
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:56,960
can try. But we have to leave the air B

1240
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:59,960
and B in a better place, or if we can't

1241
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,119
leave it in a better place than just the way

1242
01:16:02,199 --> 01:16:05,760
we left it, because we came into this world and

1243
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,880
while it's not a perfect world, we were able to

1244
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:13,800
come into it and we just need to hope that

1245
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,359
the next people can do a better job cleaning the

1246
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,039
Airbnb than us, and the least we can all do

1247
01:16:22,319 --> 01:16:24,359
is not ship on the floor before we leave.

1248
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:33,119
Speaker 2: Yep, that's true. I like that analogy, but it made

1249
01:16:33,159 --> 01:16:34,319
me think of some people who I'm not.

1250
01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 4: Going to say any names, but hold on, hold on

1251
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:38,319
one second.

1252
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,279
Speaker 3: What are you telling me?

1253
01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 4: You know somebody that did you go to an Airbnb

1254
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:44,880
and you found like some much ship on the floor?

1255
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:45,520
What the heck?

1256
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: No they on my stage.

1257
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 4: Are you saying that your co host shipped on the

1258
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:51,880
floor in an Airbnb?

1259
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 6: No?

1260
01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 3: No, no, no, we have left in the same place together.

1261
01:16:59,079 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

1262
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:00,359
Speaker 5: No.

1263
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:06,279
Speaker 2: But on TikTok, a believer came on my stage, turned

1264
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:10,319
their camera on and shipped it in the camera in

1265
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:11,239
the name of Jesus.

1266
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 4: Oh lovely, lovely.

1267
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 6: I didn't know.

1268
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 4: So I'm on YouTube, so thankfully I don't get to see.

1269
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:19,000
I was going to say that ship but like that

1270
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:20,279
would have been really after pro.

1271
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 6: Yeah god, I.

1272
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,079
Speaker 4: Mean, thank god I'm not on TikTok. That's that's yeah.

1273
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,560
So did they ship on the lens or like, because

1274
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,159
they're gonna have to.

1275
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:37,119
Speaker 2: Clean that, they bent over in the camera and dropped one, and.

1276
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 4: You know what, I'll give them this impressive aim good joke,

1277
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,760
like like it would be for them if they missed,

1278
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:49,720
and then it hit the floor.

1279
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: We were mortified and I get took as a second

1280
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:53,880
to get through that because it was.

1281
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 4: I would have ended the show personally, I think, like,

1282
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,439
you know what's like, I think we're to call it

1283
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:01,680
there because.

1284
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 6: But uh, I really shot on their phone.

1285
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,319
Speaker 4: I try to keep my phone safe, like I kind

1286
01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:13,159
of divide new phones all the time, like people are

1287
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:16,800
fucking shitting on their phones, and I need to know

1288
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,560
what that person's like a career background, is that he

1289
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,680
can just shit on the phone and.

1290
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: Just it's gross.

1291
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: But the things that people would do in the name

1292
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,319
of their belief is in fucking insane.

1293
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, spoken and is moving through me, and it

1294
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,960
is moving through my bowels, and it needs to commune

1295
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:44,000
Q through my camera lens. So that was actually the

1296
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:45,000
lord's poop.

1297
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,319
Speaker 2: Trying to yeah exactly.

1298
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 4: It did not through though, because the connection.

1299
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: It looks like we do have two calls. We have

1300
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:00,720
one call in Q and then one on TikTok.

1301
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 4: But I enjoyed talking with your family.

1302
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Tom. I hope you have a

1303
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:06,680
great rest of the day as well.

1304
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:09,279
Speaker 4: He was well bye. Bye bye bye.

1305
01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:15,279
Speaker 1: That was a good conversation.

1306
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,279
Speaker 3: It absolutely was. Yeah, TikTok be wilidh.

1307
01:19:22,319 --> 01:19:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah that was crazy. Uh Sama Zama wat.

1308
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 8: Zama sim zan Zama is fine, Zama, thank you?

1309
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:37,279
Speaker 2: How are you?

1310
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,039
Speaker 3: I'm good thinking?

1311
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:41,079
Speaker 2: How aught you guys?

1312
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing good, doing good?

1313
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the topic today?

1314
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 2: How are you?

1315
01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:54,039
Speaker 3: I'm okay?

1316
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 7: How are you?

1317
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 3: I'm very well.

1318
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 8: Okay, so thinking and Zina, I'm here just as a

1319
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:10,560
very engaged person in all of the platforms you guys

1320
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:16,600
are on. I'm South African and I have learned a

1321
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:23,000
lot from everything that you guys have engaged in all

1322
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:23,560
the time.

1323
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 6: Right.

1324
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:31,159
Speaker 8: I turned forty on the seventeenth of June, and my

1325
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,920
I thank you, thank you, thank you, Sina. And my

1326
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,960
biggest fear was going back home and engaging with a

1327
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:48,800
family that is very Christian, right, and they.

1328
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,319
Speaker 1: Are really just.

1329
01:20:53,039 --> 01:20:56,039
Speaker 8: Pushing it down my throat, this is who you are,

1330
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,520
and this is who you've been all the time. And

1331
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,479
I don't think that's who I've been all this time.

1332
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:10,199
And my hurt is I don't want to disappoint my mother,

1333
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:14,319
especially because she's in a fragile state and all of

1334
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:21,800
that and I don't know how to Maybe I don't

1335
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:28,279
know how to engage her, in letting her, in disappointing her. Basically,

1336
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,520
you know, I don't know how to disappoint my mother

1337
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:36,840
in her late stage of life and in her celebrating

1338
01:21:37,079 --> 01:21:42,039
my life in forty years of life. How can I

1339
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:47,880
just merge the two. I don't see how that can

1340
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:52,239
be accomplished. And that's my that's my hurt.

1341
01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1342
01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:03,359
Speaker 3: Maybe so, like maybe this is also not even about

1343
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:03,960
the topic.

1344
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're good, you're good. We take all topics,

1345
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,439
but prioritizing theists. But I wanted to give seen an opportunity.

1346
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:21,119
Speaker 3: Thank you, Zamon. Wonderful, Like I'm glad your birthday's coming up,

1347
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:27,880
so congratulations or it just passed, you said June twenty fourteenth, right, yeah, seventeen.

1348
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:33,720
Congratulations on a big four L it's a big accomplishment. Yeah,

1349
01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:38,000
when it comes to moms and parents who have had

1350
01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:42,680
this religion for so long, I'm super hands off. I

1351
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:46,279
And this is why I say that, because you have

1352
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,920
explained that your mom is a bit fragile. And I

1353
01:22:51,039 --> 01:22:53,159
was actually telling some friends the other day that, like,

1354
01:22:54,399 --> 01:22:59,399
if I had this conversation about deconstructing with my mom,

1355
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,439
she would really have a heart attack, and I don't

1356
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:09,399
want to cause her pain. So because of that, it

1357
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:15,479
is hurtful, right, But I'm putting my deconstruction and I'm

1358
01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:20,399
in a separate category then with my mom. Right, I'm

1359
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,800
not merging the two. I will not fake the funk

1360
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,880
for my mom. Right, I'm not gonna pray over my food.

1361
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,039
I'm not going to do anything like that. But for

1362
01:23:31,119 --> 01:23:35,600
the sake of peace, I just don't mention it. That's

1363
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:41,239
a boundary that I've created because I love my mom,

1364
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:44,600
but I don't want to be disrespected or gas lit,

1365
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:47,520
and I don't want to be the cause of causing

1366
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,520
her any mental or physical anguish. So that's number one.

1367
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:58,159
I understand the desire to be open with your mommy, Like, Mommy,

1368
01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:00,520
I found something new, like a child. I want to

1369
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,880
share this with you. I feel like we can have

1370
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,199
a good talk about this. But at the end of

1371
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:09,800
the day, it could open something that you just can't close.

1372
01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:15,359
And if she is, you know, older, she's not going

1373
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,039
to be here for long. I think the time that

1374
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:22,840
you have should be filled with love and joy and

1375
01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:29,159
whatever family traditions that you guys share as far as

1376
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,159
I want to stay, as far as like deconstructing, right,

1377
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,359
Your deconstruction is your journey alone. You don't have to

1378
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:43,560
tell anybody about that, and it does not make you

1379
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:49,199
lesser or anything. I think that when I first started deconstructing,

1380
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,720
I actually wanted to shout it to the rooftop. I

1381
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,159
don't believe in this, like I don't believe in this God.

1382
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,720
I don't want nothing to do with it, you know.

1383
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:00,319
Speaker 4: But I.

1384
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: Realized that this is a personal journey. This is something

1385
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,880
that I have to take my time with. I don't

1386
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,640
got to talk to everybody, and that includes my mama.

1387
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:18,239
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it is.

1388
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:27,399
Speaker 3: It is conflicting right where you do want to say, Mom,

1389
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,800
I found out that God swallowed up people in Exodus,

1390
01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:36,800
right and in numbers like I found out that Jesus Christ,

1391
01:25:37,399 --> 01:25:40,439
you know, was healing slaves and stuff like that, but

1392
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,039
he won't put shoes on your feet like. I want

1393
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:47,159
to talk about these contradictions, Mom, I want to have dialogue, but.

1394
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 9: To what end?

1395
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 8: It's very difficult, I must say. The thing I struggle

1396
01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:05,079
with the most is just trying to humanize. I don't

1397
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:09,840
know humanize my mom and the experience that she's had

1398
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:15,039
as a person who's been religious all her life and

1399
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:19,560
a person who then told her kids to be that

1400
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:25,880
as well. How do I they and maybe not for

1401
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:29,920
this platform, but for me myself. How do I then

1402
01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:36,119
kind of engage and disengage with whatever it is that

1403
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,520
she's kind of both?

1404
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: Do you create boundaries? It is hard. It is hard

1405
01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:53,680
to create boundaries with a parent at any age, but

1406
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,119
you do, and only you know how far you can

1407
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:02,800
push that. Sometimes it may have to be, Mom, we

1408
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,880
can't have this conversation, and you may want to put

1409
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,359
it to where you're saying, I care for your health.

1410
01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:11,720
I care for your mental health, your physical health. I

1411
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,079
know that when I bring this up with you, you

1412
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,520
get a bit rolled up, and I wouldn't use the

1413
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,079
word rowed up, but like you know, it may strike

1414
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:24,239
you in a way where we start to have contention

1415
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,800
with each other. And I don't want that contention with you,

1416
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,039
right because I love you. And I was talking about

1417
01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:34,439
somebody the other night about forgiving my mom for doing

1418
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:39,039
the best that she could with what she had at

1419
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:45,159
whatever age. I forgave her, but I haven't told her

1420
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:49,399
that I've forgiven her, because I don't want her to

1421
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,159
weaponize my forgiveness so that every time I talk to her,

1422
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:56,439
she's like, oh, well you don't believe in this, you

1423
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,560
don't believe in God? Well what do you believe? Like,

1424
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,640
I don't need her questioning me every two seconds, right,

1425
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:04,239
and then coming back to me and saying I shouldn't

1426
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,680
have talked to you that way. I'm so sorry. Can

1427
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:11,399
you forgive me no right? One step at a time,

1428
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,760
one day at a time, But you know, trying to

1429
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:20,159
have that conversation if you really want to, I say,

1430
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:24,840
start small. Something Mama Bash told me that her son

1431
01:28:25,359 --> 01:28:28,960
Sebastian Cole used to do was ask her a question

1432
01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:34,279
and just let it marinate and walk away. You're not

1433
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:40,479
looking for confrontation, not dialogue. Just our bats birds. Mom,

1434
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:43,000
It's good at them.

1435
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:46,039
Speaker 6: Just like that.

1436
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 2: I know for me because I heard you ask like,

1437
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:55,600
how do you humanize her? And that was something that

1438
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,159
I struggle with with my mom because we fought all

1439
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:07,640
the time about this God. And it was me seeing

1440
01:29:08,199 --> 01:29:10,960
her pain that she was going through when she lost

1441
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,319
my father, because I was looking at her through the

1442
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,079
lens of she is, you know, a wife that just

1443
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:19,960
lost her husband.

1444
01:29:20,039 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: She's our mom. She's also the first lady at the church.

1445
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 2: And I had like all these expectations on how she

1446
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,840
should handle that grief, what she should do going forward,

1447
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:34,720
like with her life.

1448
01:29:35,159 --> 01:29:37,319
Speaker 3: And she took us to a.

1449
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 2: Cabin and she was telling us that she was going

1450
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:46,399
to get married again. And it's like eight months after

1451
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:47,119
my dad died.

1452
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, why, you can I do what?

1453
01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:56,319
Speaker 2: And she took me into the master sweet and she

1454
01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:57,520
talked to me and.

1455
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,039
Speaker 3: Like I, I saw her for the first.

1456
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Time in her pain and.

1457
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 2: I was able to actually see her.

1458
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: And then when I had.

1459
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: To get my hysterectomy, I had to stay with her

1460
01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:22,439
and she told me stories about when she was younger

1461
01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:26,720
and the bullying, the wearing the long skirts, and now

1462
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,520
I've been able to date and like all of this stuff,

1463
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:35,439
and I'm seeing her right she in the in the

1464
01:30:36,359 --> 01:30:38,760
at the cabin, she said, I went from she said,

1465
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,439
I don't know anything else.

1466
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 10: She said, I went from my mom and dad to

1467
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:49,399
your dad. She said, all I know is my mom

1468
01:30:50,039 --> 01:30:53,359
and dad, your dad, and God.

1469
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,359
Speaker 3: She said, I don't know anything else.

1470
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,399
Speaker 2: And I'm seeing her and I'm like, holy shit, that's

1471
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:02,760
true that she don't know anything. That's why all she

1472
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,159
can talk to me about is God. That's her safety,

1473
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:11,399
that's and her way of showing me that she loves

1474
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:16,399
me is I need to give her who what is me?

1475
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,239
And that's all that I am and she But the

1476
01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:22,159
thing is that she couldn't see that it what she

1477
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,319
was calling love was harming me because that's not that

1478
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,079
wasn't who I was, and she was not willing to

1479
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,640
accept it. And so I had to first see her

1480
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:39,000
humanness and understand and accept her for who she was

1481
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:45,039
first before she could accept and see me, because I

1482
01:31:45,079 --> 01:31:48,960
had to set the boundaries right, and it was me

1483
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:51,279
accepting the fact that she would never be who I

1484
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,279
needed her to be and I needed to accept her.

1485
01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: And once I was able to do that, she was

1486
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,199
able to accept that this is who I am. You know,

1487
01:32:01,279 --> 01:32:01,840
I saw her.

1488
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,199
Speaker 2: Yesterday and it was you know, we've come a very

1489
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:06,880
long way.

1490
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: We've come a very long way.

1491
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:09,359
Speaker 4: Now.

1492
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 2: She still loves her God, and she will tell you

1493
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,359
in a minute she loves her God more than she

1494
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,760
love her kids, but her actions don't speak that because

1495
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,920
the fact that you know, she knows that I'm an atheist,

1496
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:23,720
she knows that I hold these lines, and she she knows,

1497
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:30,039
you know, and she still Like when I was a

1498
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:32,239
believer and I was questioning, I was saying the low

1499
01:32:32,279 --> 01:32:37,279
rebuke deemon, this, what's wrong with you, satan to. Now

1500
01:32:37,359 --> 01:32:40,680
I'm an atheist and it's hey, baby, and that's not

1501
01:32:41,319 --> 01:32:44,720
normal for her, you know what I'm saying. So but

1502
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,119
it took for me to see her humans. It took

1503
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:51,640
for me to acknowledge and accept her for who she was,

1504
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,119
acknowledge that she was a little girl and she was hurt.

1505
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,920
She was bullied because she was a Christian in school

1506
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:01,039
and she had to wear long skirts what other people didn't,

1507
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:08,399
and she got beat up for wearing loust guards. And

1508
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,960
so I had to I'm about to crack because like

1509
01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:14,079
I had to. I had to, and I said, this

1510
01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:17,840
is her life. And we've lived two different lives. Like

1511
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,039
I've traveled the world and she hasn't. And that's so hurtful.

1512
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to get.

1513
01:33:26,399 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 8: The point that you bring across to me as well

1514
01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:36,399
is so hurtful because I want to I want to

1515
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,399
carry all my mom's hurts, you know. I want to

1516
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,039
carry everything that she has not experienced in life. I

1517
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:48,880
want to be able to give her something beyond herself.

1518
01:33:50,359 --> 01:33:55,159
But I cannot see a point where we agree on

1519
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:02,560
a religion. I can't see a point we just you know,

1520
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,960
I can't see a point where religion for her is

1521
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:11,319
the first priority. And I'm a sakend priority. And now

1522
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,520
we have to, like what, just be okay with that?

1523
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,479
I can't, And that's what's hurtful for me. So I

1524
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,479
understand what you're trying, like what you're expressing about even

1525
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:25,880
your mom and your family situation.

1526
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 3: It's hurtful.

1527
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:35,159
Speaker 8: You know, it's hurtful, and as a black South African woman,

1528
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:36,920
it's yeah.

1529
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

1530
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:43,079
Speaker 8: We just carry it slowly but surely, and we just

1531
01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:46,800
engage in these platforms like this we try to learn.

1532
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,119
But I don't know if we just doing this for

1533
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,359
now or yeah, I don't know.

1534
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:56,159
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1535
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,319
Speaker 2: I think, like, first, I don't think that you should

1536
01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:03,159
try to carry your mother's hearts. I think acknowledging it,

1537
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:08,039
acknowledge that she's human, right and that she has had

1538
01:35:08,119 --> 01:35:10,720
some pain, and that might explain some things, But that

1539
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,560
doesn't mean that you should have to carry it right,

1540
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,800
And that doesn't mean that you should be okay or

1541
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,199
that you have to be okay with her saying that

1542
01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:24,039
this you know, deity that she's never seen is before you,

1543
01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:26,600
and that she loves that God before she loves you.

1544
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:27,920
You don't have to be okay with that.

1545
01:35:29,359 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 11: Right.

1546
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Acceptance is one thing, right, but saying that it's okay

1547
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,119
approval is another that you know, So I'm not saying

1548
01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:43,319
that you have to do that. I definitely think that

1549
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:48,239
carrying and carrying her pain and trying to usher her

1550
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:54,439
into healing or you know, fixing something that you cannot fix,

1551
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,840
it's it's going to disrupt whatever you're looking for in

1552
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:04,680
the deconstruction process, says right, because you can't be her God,

1553
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:10,119
and you can't be the sacrifice. You can't be the

1554
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:12,920
sacrifice for her, so that she, you know, gets with

1555
01:36:13,039 --> 01:36:19,119
this God never gave going into it, understanding why she

1556
01:36:19,319 --> 01:36:22,159
thinks the way she thinks, which is why these conversations

1557
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:26,600
are important. And as I was just telling Tom, I

1558
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:31,039
was telling them that the for me, the discussion part

1559
01:36:31,079 --> 01:36:33,840
and getting to the root of it is the most

1560
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,000
important part because I feel like that's what's going to

1561
01:36:36,199 --> 01:36:39,840
move the needle. It's because people are gonna start having

1562
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,039
these realizations and saying.

1563
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 1: Oh, this is why I think the way I think.

1564
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,199
This is why my mother my father.

1565
01:36:46,079 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 2: Thinks, think the way they think. And then being able

1566
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,000
to gain the courage to set those boundaries as Zeno

1567
01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:55,520
was talking about earlier and enforce them and you know,

1568
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,880
learning how to enforce them while at the same time,

1569
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:03,520
if it's good maintaining the relationship with the family, sometimes

1570
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,359
not maintaining that relationship is the best thing for both

1571
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,279
for both sides. Because we had somebody on stage the

1572
01:37:10,279 --> 01:37:13,119
other day who said they killed their a non believer

1573
01:37:13,279 --> 01:37:16,600
just to give a mercy. You got a family member

1574
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,600
that believes in killing you, so you go to heaven.

1575
01:37:20,199 --> 01:37:24,079
You don't need to cut that. You know, you ain't

1576
01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:29,960
got to long suffer with that one. But I think

1577
01:37:31,359 --> 01:37:33,800
that's what these conversations do. Helped. It helps you kind

1578
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,960
of like lay out all of your your thoughts and

1579
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:43,359
your lived experience on a in front of you and

1580
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,159
kind of put them in places and go, oh, that's

1581
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:48,680
why that's there. Oh no, they don't need to be there,

1582
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,760
you know what I'm saying. And so yeah, it makes sense,

1583
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:55,159
It makes a lot of sense.

1584
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 8: So just thank you, Thank you both for just being

1585
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:05,159
able to be a listening year and to try and

1586
01:38:05,279 --> 01:38:08,720
navigate my thoughts as well, because what you've said a

1587
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:09,680
lot here.

1588
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:12,239
Speaker 2: Makes sense.

1589
01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:15,520
Speaker 8: It does, It does make a lot of sense, and

1590
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,960
it's just for me to try and replicate that into

1591
01:38:19,039 --> 01:38:22,880
my own life and try and figure out where it

1592
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:30,920
all fits into trying to not change my family perspective

1593
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,920
at all, but trying to express myself in a way

1594
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:40,720
that maybe they would understand, you know, And that's what

1595
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,760
I was hoping for. I listen to your lives a lot.

1596
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,840
I think, I like I listen to your lives a lot.

1597
01:38:49,279 --> 01:38:52,680
So I hope I've learned enough for me to be

1598
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,720
able to navigate this on my own and be able to.

1599
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 3: Gain something of it. That's that's my hope, you know.

1600
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:08,840
So thank you both, and that'll be me. You got this,

1601
01:39:09,079 --> 01:39:15,479
don't worry nothing. It's accomplished overnight. Sometimes it takes time,

1602
01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:19,960
so don't put so much pressure on yourself.

1603
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, a lot of time, A lot of time.

1604
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,920
You got this. Thank you, and you have us, yes,

1605
01:39:30,039 --> 01:39:32,279
So if you need to come and hollow it us

1606
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:35,920
on TikTok, we're gonna talk you through it. I I'm

1607
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,760
telling you there's been many times that you know, I've

1608
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,279
needed to talk to somebody and say guess what she

1609
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:44,119
did today.

1610
01:39:46,359 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 3: I was doing that last night of Klow's Live. I

1611
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,520
was like, y'all let me tell you.

1612
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:53,359
Speaker 4: M mm hm hmmm.

1613
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:58,399
Speaker 3: Parents, man, we love them. Sometimes they push us me.

1614
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,479
All right, love buck, have a great day.

1615
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Have a good way, thank you.

1616
01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:11,159
Speaker 9: Okay, all right, all right, we have our final call.

1617
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,119
Uh if I can find the call in, I don't

1618
01:40:16,199 --> 01:40:17,319
lost it on the screen.

1619
01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. All right.

1620
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 2: Our final call is Astrara from South Africa. Astra wants

1621
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,640
to know what's John the Baptist a disciple of Jesus

1622
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:28,960
or the other way around.

1623
01:40:29,039 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Maybe, Hey, Astra, are you.

1624
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:34,119
Speaker 6: Hi?

1625
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:36,199
Speaker 7: I'm getting yourself.

1626
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:42,319
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, so you want to know if sorry

1627
01:40:44,399 --> 01:40:48,520
go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh no, I was saying.

1628
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,079
Speaker 7: I also listening to the last call, and I was like, oh, Samma,

1629
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:55,560
I feel me and you someone on the same boat.

1630
01:40:56,359 --> 01:40:58,920
I understand how you feel. I was just like, see here,

1631
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,880
I even forgot that I was in the queue this

1632
01:41:02,199 --> 01:41:02,760
entire time.

1633
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've talked several times before.

1634
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:08,560
Speaker 4: Right.

1635
01:41:11,279 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 2: On your actually one, why do I feel like I

1636
01:41:16,119 --> 01:41:16,319
know you?

1637
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:16,600
Speaker 4: No?

1638
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was it was one time.

1639
01:41:23,319 --> 01:41:27,279
Speaker 6: I think like two weeks ago, okay.

1640
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:29,520
Speaker 7: With a godless engineer, and then I disappeared.

1641
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:34,319
Speaker 3: It was a memorable Poe call.

1642
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 2: Yes, okay you I was nervous.

1643
01:41:41,359 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 1: Oh you did good, You did good. You say you

1644
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,119
want to know if John.

1645
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,199
Speaker 2: The Baptist was a disciple of Jesus or the other

1646
01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:52,840
way around. That's an interesting one. I have a lot

1647
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,640
of thoughts about Jesus and John the Baptist, But again,

1648
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,840
I want to give Zena the opportunity.

1649
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 3: So I love this question because I'm a big fan

1650
01:42:05,079 --> 01:42:08,600
of John the Baptist. Frankly, I think that Jesus was

1651
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:15,760
a family of his cousin and he was like, I

1652
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,520
want to take this stance that Jesus was a disciple

1653
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,960
of John the Baptist, and the reason being, if I

1654
01:42:24,039 --> 01:42:25,720
had to put a category, I don't think he was

1655
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,279
actually a disciple right of either one of them were

1656
01:42:29,319 --> 01:42:35,319
disciples of each other. But John was out there giving

1657
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:41,920
the baptism of repentance. Jesus sought John out, not the

1658
01:42:42,079 --> 01:42:48,720
other way around. John baptized him under right, He baptized

1659
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:58,319
him under forgiveness repentance, and then that is when go ahead, Oh.

1660
01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:02,079
Speaker 7: Yeah, sorry, I wanted to think basically, The reason why

1661
01:43:02,079 --> 01:43:07,680
I had those questions was I was listening to his stream, uh,

1662
01:43:08,119 --> 01:43:12,199
because I breathe and drink the atheist experience this this

1663
01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:15,960
is just my life now. But I was listening to

1664
01:43:16,199 --> 01:43:19,439
I think it was Justin and Forrest Balci, and they

1665
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,760
were talking to a theist who was trying to make

1666
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:27,920
an argument. How we forgot what the argument was about,

1667
01:43:28,039 --> 01:43:31,720
but it was about drowning the Baptist and with Jesus.

1668
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:36,399
And then Justin was like basically explaining the verses.

1669
01:43:37,039 --> 01:43:38,279
Speaker 3: And then I was like.

1670
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,359
Speaker 7: Sitting here and I was like, Justin, what are you

1671
01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:41,039
trying to tell me?

1672
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 2: Actually, what are you trying to tell me? What you say?

1673
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:44,600
Speaker 8: What do you impry?

1674
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:46,199
Speaker 2: Because I was like.

1675
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:48,520
Speaker 4: The the.

1676
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:56,199
Speaker 7: Collar was trying to explain why Jesus was going to

1677
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:01,199
see John the Baptist and why he needed to be

1678
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:03,159
baptized by John.

1679
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,199
Speaker 2: And then and then Justin was like what do you

1680
01:44:06,359 --> 01:44:07,319
think he was doing?

1681
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,199
Speaker 4: When do you think that?

1682
01:44:09,319 --> 01:44:11,159
Speaker 6: Was just hanging out like bros, Like what do you

1683
01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:12,199
think was happening?

1684
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 3: And I was like each other, Okay, you're saying what

1685
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,560
I think you say.

1686
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:19,640
Speaker 7: I was like, are you saying what I think you're saying?

1687
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,159
Speaker 2: Are you trying to tell me this man I was about.

1688
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 7: He's like, what do you think they were doing?

1689
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 3: What?

1690
01:44:24,279 --> 01:44:26,560
Speaker 7: What did you actually think they were doing? And I

1691
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,520
even tried reading the verse where.

1692
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:32,199
Speaker 6: Justin was.

1693
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:37,560
Speaker 7: Was couding about he who comes after me has a

1694
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,119
higher rank than I and has a priority for.

1695
01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 6: He insisted before me.

1696
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 7: And he's explained that verse and and explain the other one.

1697
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,640
But I think I was kind of confused because there

1698
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,600
was a part where he said that the author of

1699
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,079
the Bible was talking to John or something like that.

1700
01:44:55,319 --> 01:44:59,079
Maybe I just didn't understand correctly, But I was like, wait,

1701
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:02,039
I need to talk to someone about this because I

1702
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:05,159
just I don't understand what's actually happening.

1703
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 2: But I'd love to hear.

1704
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 7: More abspect why you think that Jesus would be a

1705
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,760
disciple or you would see him as a disciple of

1706
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,359
John the Baptists, because I know that John the Baptists

1707
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,119
was so much of a big deal, and I didn't

1708
01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:22,720
know he was this much of a big deal. But yeah,

1709
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:24,560
I'd love to just hear your thoughts about it.

1710
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, and again, not that he was an actual disciple,

1711
01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:32,840
because it's crazy. John had his own disciples, he had

1712
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,600
his own ministry. He had his own people so much

1713
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:37,920
so that they're the ones who came and got his

1714
01:45:38,199 --> 01:45:42,399
head right in his body after you know, he was unlive, right,

1715
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,079
so he had his own violin where Jesus hadn't really

1716
01:45:47,359 --> 01:45:51,079
quite established himself yet. And like I was saying, it

1717
01:45:51,239 --> 01:45:55,720
was when John baptized Jesus. You see God in the

1718
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,600
very few times he's like talking or interacting with the humans,

1719
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,800
and a New Testament you see him actually saying something.

1720
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:07,279
But John was the catalyst when it comes to his

1721
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:08,960
birth and his origin.

1722
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 4: Right.

1723
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 3: Elizabeth and Zachary are old in age, but they come

1724
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,279
from a very unique lineage, right, so you know she's

1725
01:46:18,359 --> 01:46:21,520
the daughter of Aaron. He's a special of a special priesthood.

1726
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:22,039
Speaker 6: Right.

1727
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 3: He has such a more of a fantastical I think

1728
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:29,960
origin than Jesus does. And then last but not least,

1729
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,479
I feel like John may have been a real person,

1730
01:46:34,039 --> 01:46:40,920
like at least maybe historically not actually doing those like miracles,

1731
01:46:41,039 --> 01:46:44,920
right or anything like that. But maybe he wasn't apocalyptic

1732
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,720
preacher just like Jesus was. And Jesus kind of stole

1733
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:54,439
John's message. So you know, if I'm using the Bible

1734
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:59,000
and I'm doing an internal critique. I think that, yeah,

1735
01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:03,079
John was a threat to Hey Suesday Christo, and I

1736
01:47:03,239 --> 01:47:07,880
think he appealed to Jesus, appealed to John's authority.

1737
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:09,079
Speaker 4: Is what I think.

1738
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Well, because like I was still going I'm

1739
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,560
such a lazy person, but I was supposed to finish

1740
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:21,399
up like a video on Dato over Dogma. That's like

1741
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:26,039
where I get most of my knowledge from, by Dan,

1742
01:47:26,279 --> 01:47:28,560
but Cleannel as well, that's where I get most of

1743
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,880
my knowledge from. And I was still like sitting here

1744
01:47:32,039 --> 01:47:35,760
and going through the versus, and I was kind of

1745
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,479
like wondering, why the.

1746
01:47:41,239 --> 01:47:42,079
Speaker 4: What the Jews?

1747
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:46,319
Speaker 7: The Jews sent the priest and the Levi's in John

1748
01:47:46,399 --> 01:47:50,600
chapter one, verse nineteen, Like why would they need to

1749
01:47:51,079 --> 01:47:56,359
send priests and Levi's to I'm assuming getting the testimony

1750
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:00,159
of John to ask Kim if he's Elijah or ask

1751
01:48:00,399 --> 01:48:01,720
if he's the Promised Prophet.

1752
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 2: And I'm just assuming, like.

1753
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,079
Speaker 4: What was like John.

1754
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Claiming he was the Messiah?

1755
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,560
Speaker 7: Was he or were other people claiming that he was

1756
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:17,039
a Messiah? That, uh, the the you had to send

1757
01:48:17,159 --> 01:48:21,119
priests to kind of confirm this to ensure that it's

1758
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:24,000
just correct. Is this man the Christ? Is this man

1759
01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:29,680
Elijah or the Promised Prophet. I found that really fascinating.

1760
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,680
I was like, what is what was actually happening? Why

1761
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:34,840
would they need this information?

1762
01:48:36,199 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like it's it sounds like John is doubting there, right,

1763
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:46,479
because they're supposed to have a militant Messiah, and so

1764
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,960
he sends his disciples. It's like, go, like he's hearing

1765
01:48:50,119 --> 01:48:55,680
all of this fantastical stuff that Jesus is doing in

1766
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:59,640
the city, but he's not doing what the messia is

1767
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,600
supposed doing. The Messiah who's supposed to be, you know,

1768
01:49:03,399 --> 01:49:07,600
restoring the kingdom right, and Israel and Judah are supposed

1769
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:13,039
to be safe in the land under this Messiah, this

1770
01:49:13,239 --> 01:49:17,960
militant king. But Jesus is uh, you know, turning water

1771
01:49:18,079 --> 01:49:21,600
into wine, He's raising the dead, he's healing the sick,

1772
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:26,520
like he's doing all this supernatural stuff, right. And John goes, hey,

1773
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,960
go and ask him like is he the missage?

1774
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: Like some change, like is he the most say.

1775
01:49:32,119 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 2: We doing something different? And Jesus is like, hey, tell him,

1776
01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:38,920
tell him that I'm raising the dead, I'm healing the sick.

1777
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,760
Like he tells him like in other words, this is

1778
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,640
what the Messiah does, and it's kind of like you

1779
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:48,199
get this. This is where you start to see that

1780
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:51,119
the kingdom what the Messiah was supposed to do. It's

1781
01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:54,079
not physical he's supposed to He's not supposed to come

1782
01:49:54,119 --> 01:49:56,199
and fight a physical army. He's not supposed to sit

1783
01:49:56,239 --> 01:49:58,680
on the physical uh thron.

1784
01:49:59,039 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 1: This is what the must Sayah is right.

1785
01:50:03,359 --> 01:50:10,159
Speaker 2: And then I agree with Zena. I definitely don't think

1786
01:50:10,319 --> 01:50:15,239
Jesus was necessarily a disciple of John the Baptist.

1787
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 1: I think I think the real like I think the

1788
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,840
real Jesus was a crook.

1789
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 2: I think he was some thug.

1790
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: That had a ganga dudes.

1791
01:50:29,079 --> 01:50:31,199
Speaker 2: And he taught he was teaching them some bad stuff,

1792
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,399
like he taught them to pillot authority. Right like if

1793
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:40,960
you if you look at John, John is teaching the Israelizes, Hey,

1794
01:50:41,239 --> 01:50:45,119
don't be like I can do whatever I want because

1795
01:50:45,159 --> 01:50:49,920
my daddy is Abraham, all right. He tells them don't explore,

1796
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:53,199
he tells the tax collectors, don't exploit people, don't take

1797
01:50:53,239 --> 01:50:56,640
more than what you're supposed to have. Right, Jesus comes

1798
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:02,079
along and Jesus says he is Salvation has come to

1799
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:04,520
your house today because you are a chown of Abraham.

1800
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:09,600
He does the exact opposite of what John was teaching, right,

1801
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:13,560
And then he's when he's talking to when the when

1802
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:19,159
the tax collectors come to him, uh uh to get taxes,

1803
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:24,640
and uh they asked, Peter, do yo, why don't show

1804
01:51:25,159 --> 01:51:29,680
teacher paying taxes? Like they're noticing Jesus is not paying taxes.

1805
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,000
He's bucking the system, he's not paying taxes. And then

1806
01:51:33,279 --> 01:51:36,079
Peter gets home and Jesus like it, says, oh, Jesus

1807
01:51:36,119 --> 01:51:40,920
already knew that that conversation happened, right, and so uh,

1808
01:51:41,039 --> 01:51:43,720
he says, Peter, let me ask you a question. Do

1809
01:51:44,279 --> 01:51:48,479
the officials charge their sons taxes or just the others?

1810
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 1: Like, do the sons pay or just others?

1811
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:55,359
Speaker 2: And Peter go all for show others for show they

1812
01:51:55,399 --> 01:51:58,920
ain't taxing their son. And then Jesus is like, okay, listen,

1813
01:52:00,199 --> 01:52:04,439
the sons are free, and so just so that we

1814
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:08,439
don't defend them, we don't offend them, We're gonna.

1815
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 1: Go get this coin and go fish it out of

1816
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,840
the sea and.

1817
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,159
Speaker 2: Go pay Like this was Jesus saying, notice that the

1818
01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:19,479
kings of the earth don't charge their sons, how much

1819
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:20,479
more you think God.

1820
01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:21,279
Speaker 1: Gonna charge his sons.

1821
01:52:21,359 --> 01:52:25,039
Speaker 2: The sons are free. Salvation has come to you because

1822
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:28,239
you are in the Israelite you are a son of Abraham.

1823
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:31,920
Fuck all that what John was talking about. He did

1824
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:39,520
something completely different than what John todd. But there is

1825
01:52:40,359 --> 01:52:46,840
any aparkryphal tax of John the baptizer. John the baptizer

1826
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:51,720
does not want to baptize Jesus. He literally says to him, like, dude,

1827
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:56,640
you are leadingly Israelized astray. He literally says that, and

1828
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,800
then he's like, uh. He calls him the deceiver, and

1829
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:03,159
he gives him this test right and uh. He said,

1830
01:53:03,159 --> 01:53:05,039
if you can answer these three if you can answer

1831
01:53:05,079 --> 01:53:07,479
these three questions, I'll baptize you, because because what Jesus

1832
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:11,279
keeps saying is and baptize me by the name that

1833
01:53:11,359 --> 01:53:14,000
you invoke, make me your disciple, and I'll put you

1834
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:17,239
in my gospel. He said, I'll write you in my gospel.

1835
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:21,399
And uh, John doesn't want.

1836
01:53:21,279 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 3: To do it.

1837
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:26,600
Speaker 2: He gives him a test and three ans, three questions,

1838
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:29,800
and what Jesus does he plays on words, how can

1839
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:31,640
a virgin become a virgin again? Oh, a virgin can

1840
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,079
become a virgin again if he if she die, if

1841
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:37,159
she go to heaven, and don't have sex in heaven

1842
01:53:37,239 --> 01:53:40,920
like like he like plays on words. How can a

1843
01:53:41,359 --> 01:53:45,600
blind man become uh, I mean, how can a stamora

1844
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,720
become a good speaker or something like? He? Oh, a

1845
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:50,880
stamura can come as a good speaker when he when

1846
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:52,479
he writes poetry like he.

1847
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 1: Plays on words.

1848
01:53:54,079 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 2: And then this dove, this voice comes out and goes

1849
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:03,079
John baptized the deceiver. This voice tells John the baptizer

1850
01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:06,960
to baptize the deceiver. And John baptizes Jesus. And this

1851
01:54:07,079 --> 01:54:07,560
is in the.

1852
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Uh, the apocryphal text Colle John the baptized.

1853
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 2: And so we know that John John's disciples didn't necessarily

1854
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,199
they did not like the followers of Jesus. They did

1855
01:54:21,279 --> 01:54:23,880
not think that Jesus was the Messiah. They did not

1856
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:29,800
think that Jesus was divine. M And so yeah, I

1857
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:35,159
think I don't think that he was a disciple of

1858
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:39,159
John the Baptist. I think he if if this person

1859
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:43,720
did exist, there was this man named Yes, well, I

1860
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:47,000
think he built a crew of thugs.

1861
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: And tried to join John John's crew.

1862
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:53,399
Speaker 2: That's what I think.

1863
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 7: Wow, this sounds like the.

1864
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,199
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying from what I.

1865
01:55:05,439 --> 01:55:08,199
Speaker 1: Don't be commonly this is what.

1866
01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:19,199
Speaker 2: No stop it, no, stop it.

1867
01:55:20,479 --> 01:55:21,199
Speaker 3: I mean thinking about it.

1868
01:55:21,279 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 2: He told them how to still a donkey using authority,

1869
01:55:24,199 --> 01:55:28,680
like using keywords. He's like, hey, yeah, he says, use

1870
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,399
these words. It's the way he says it, right, And

1871
01:55:31,479 --> 01:55:34,640
he's like, hey, you're going to see a donkey tied

1872
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:38,079
in in in the city untied when you get in there.

1873
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:40,880
And if if anybody asks what you're doing, just say

1874
01:55:41,079 --> 01:55:46,600
these words because he knows, right, yeah.

1875
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:47,039
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1876
01:55:47,159 --> 01:55:51,239
Speaker 7: And when I'm listening to you talk and you're talking

1877
01:55:51,319 --> 01:55:56,199
about how he basically plays on these words, it just

1878
01:55:56,279 --> 01:55:59,159
seems like even even in the New Testament, you see

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Jesus please on these words. He's like, he's very vague

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about these things. Everyone he's told me about his parables,

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He's not really giving a straightforward answer. And it just

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feels like this was like at least it was even

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with a popupher like that seems like a very I guess,

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a consistent trait with the Jesus character.

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Speaker 3: And it just reminds me back with Justin.

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Speaker 7: When he was talking about Jesus being a feel prophet,

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and I think he was talking about was it a

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sire as I chapter seven seven, he said.

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Speaker 2: Seven age and nine.

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Speaker 7: I forgot what it was about, because that's sure have

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memory loss, But it was something about I think it

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was about the king of the king of what's his name,

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has that has a Kiah, has a Kia something like that,

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And I think it was about yes, and I think

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it was about uh that him as a king, I

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think him being born and him being a.

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Speaker 3: King of Israel.

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Speaker 7: And then basically kind of Jesus kind of taking giving

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the prophet Asaiah out of context and you see that happen,

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and even with Matthew kind of misquoting certain, uh certain

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verses and saying, oh, this is from Jeremiah, whereas it's

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actually in Zachariah, and you're just it's just like sitting

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there and you're like, huh.

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Speaker 3: And and when you even read with.

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Speaker 4: The Book of John, I.

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Speaker 7: Just it just made me wonder why they had to

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kind of make this like, uh disclaimer, if I could say,

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of just just to make sure everyone is like on power,

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Like John the Baptist is not the Messiah. So I'm

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just gonna write this, why just just so you know

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he's not the Messiah. So you just it's a very

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clear that he is not. So it seemed like there

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was there was that quite competition happening at that time

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where you know, we we we were.

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Speaker 5: Of course today we think that Jesus was the only Messiah.

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Speaker 7: And then when you learn more of the history, it's

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just like, oh, John practice, wasn't just some man.

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Speaker 6: Who was like, yeah, Jesus, he is cool.

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Speaker 3: I like him.

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Speaker 7: You know, it has long hair for no damn reason.

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Speaker 2: He looks cute. Why not.

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Speaker 7: It's like there was that competition happening, and that you know,

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there was the I guess the clash between the followers

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and the different creatures. But wow, I never knew anything

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about that approprphe Like, wow, it just it feels like

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learning something I'm not supposed to know.

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Speaker 2: That's how it felt when I was reading it, because

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we were told not to read outside the Bible. I'm like,

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when I saw that it called Jesus the Deceiver, I

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was like.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're coming across.

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Speaker 2: Is that watching me read this?

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Speaker 3: I was no way.

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Speaker 2: I was so shocked. Like some more I learned.

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Speaker 7: I think my favorite one was the test was the

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Testimony of Truth.

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Speaker 2: I think I was watching who.

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Speaker 4: Was this lady.

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Speaker 7: I think it was Elaine Peggles. She I think she's

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a Second Temple scholar, but I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: And she was talking about the.

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Speaker 2: Testimony of truth.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, she was talking about Satan, the origins of

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Satan and where Satan, the idea of Satan came from.

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Speaker 6: And she was talking about the testimony of truth.

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Speaker 7: And how uh Jesus was considered like uh, the serpent

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in the garden, like Jesus Christ was seen as the

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serpent in the garden, and and and God was the

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dormy age.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what what is going on?

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Speaker 7: Son? What's happening y'all? These who have guts? I could

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never ever, even in a million years a million years,

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put that and that together. That that's thoseles wrong to

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my indoctrinated mind, that.

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Speaker 4: Was so wrong.

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Speaker 2: Al But what Yeah, Well, did you have anything else

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ash around? I think it was a great conversation. We've

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reached the end of the show. Did you have any

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anything else you wanted to add before we go?

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Speaker 7: Oh? No, I don't have anything else. But thank you

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for taking in, Michael.

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Speaker 2: You're so welcome. Thank you for calling in. I hope

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you have a great rest of the day.

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Speaker 6: Of course, thank you, bye bye.

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Speaker 2: All right, I do want to read the super chat

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right quick, Dinna, do you have access to the superjest?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Hold on, where would I find

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that out? It would be in the doc.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if oh no, no, okay, So we

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have AG nine ninety nine the nerves are here to support.

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Thanker and Zena.

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Speaker 1: We love you all.

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Speaker 2: Thank you AG for your support as always. Nineteen ninety nine,

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Jay whis sick with the hell Satan, Thank you so much.

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Jay whis sick. Luke Riley with the two dollars. No

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craping for Jesus. Yeah, keep your pants on, go to

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the bathroom, used tissue, wash your hands and nine ninety

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nine Satan was framed. Thinker, I love when you retell

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Bible stories. I'm Anita think her voiceover for the Bible.

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Thank you, Satan's frame. I appreciate you so much. All right,

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y'all is time we want to thank our back up

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for helping out tonight.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Jamie, I mean, what did I call you?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Kelly? I am so you know what I

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called Jamie h Kelly the last time I was on

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the show, Because.

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Speaker 3: You look like a Jamie to me, he does look

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like a Jamie, and you're gonna and you're gonna always

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be in my head, and don't take it the road way.

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Speaker 2: You will always be Jamie Jimmy because it looked like

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your name should be Jamie or Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, but that's fine.

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Speaker 11: And we both have androgynous names too, so that to

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make it even more confusing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But from the first day that I

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met you, you were in my head. You were you

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were Jamie, and I keep having trouble getting that.

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Speaker 11: Well, if you call me Jamie, I won't take it personally.

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Speaker 2: I understand I have named I have name blindness. To

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trust me, they know I have. It's been like that

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my whole life. My I think I got it from

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my unteaching. Like she'll call people Jesus. Suld be like Jesus.

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I mean, like so, but thank you so much for

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being a beackapos. Did you have any thoughts on the show?

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Speaker 11: You know, they're just a couple of things. Mostly it

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was from Tom's call, right, and you mentioned that when

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you were taking calls, and the young men seem to

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be different than the young women. I think that society

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and our culture. I mean, you look at the movies

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and some of the TV shows, meant young boys are

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kind of conditioned to be that way. I hate to

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say it, you know, but uh, I mean like I

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kind of felt that way when I was sixteen and seventeen.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 11: Fortunately for me, I learned that, but uh yeah, I

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mean it seems like our culture kind of like steers

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young men into that direction. Maybe because they need cannon fodder.

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I don't know, but you know, but that seems to be.

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And then you were talking about teaching as you get older,

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and obviously I'm older, And what I found is that

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instead of telling people, hey, this was the right way

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to do it, I found it if I say something

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that a lot more chill, like, you know, I found

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it if I do it this way, it seems like

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it's a lot easier for me to.

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Speaker 4: Do, you know.

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Speaker 11: And it seems like I create less friction when I'm

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teaching people how to do things. So I think it's

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just you need to be mindful of what to say

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to people.

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Speaker 4: I think that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think relatable experience is the most

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powerful then commanding or giving advice.

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Speaker 11: M Yeah, right, exactly exactly. Yeah, so that was about

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it and asking questions, Always ask questions. That was for

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our second caller. I can't remember her name unfortunately, but

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I didn't write it down like an idiot. But yeah,

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always keep asking questions, and I always ask peop people

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who have deconstructed how they started on their path. Number

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one answer, I started asking questions. You can never ask

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too many questions.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely what Badge says, questions.

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Speaker 1: Are the gods to the answers.

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Speaker 3: There you go, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Zina, how can people find out more about

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02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:28,239
you and allow like share your contact information?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can find me right here on TikTok. I

2048
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am right now live with Aca down here near Thinkers,

2049
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so you can hit that follow. But in there, I

2050
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am trying to crank up my YouTube, so bear with me, y'all.

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I am going to get together. That is going to

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be Zena May point two Xena May point two, so

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you can find me on those platforms and pretty soon

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coming to a place on the phone near you. I

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will be starting on Instagram, so watch out for that announcement.

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That announcement as well. So thank you for asking, Thank

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you so much for being here today.

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Speaker 1: Kelly, I appreciate you, thank you too.

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Speaker 2: You both were great.

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Speaker 11: I totally appreciate the two of you. You were amazing,

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both of you todays.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you for that opportunities. I appreciate everybody out

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there and TikTok Land and in YouTube lend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: Everyone. We'll see y'all next week. We are here Sundays

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at four thirty PMS. Interesting in time until next time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanker, thank you Kelly, thank you, I alack.

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Speaker 4: We start a.

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Speaker 2: Stop today the well ship every thanks say y'all welcome.

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Speaker 3: All day.

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