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All right, 40 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,920 let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in College Basketball Insider, 41 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:57,439 National Basketball Insider for twenty four to seven, and CBS Sports. 42 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,519 We got Isaac Trotter on the line. Isaac, how you 43 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:00,920 live it doing well? 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:01,519 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 45 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: Hey a pleasure talking ball with you today. How would 46 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,200 you describe march madness this far, How would you describe 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,000 from your pulpit the ups and downs, the undulations, the surprises, 48 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:14,479 and the chalk talk as well. 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like if you wanted chok in this tournament, 50 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:21,479 you certainly got it right with a bunch of top swinning. 51 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:24,039 But if you wanted a little upset, you also got 52 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:27,240 that as well. Right with Iowa pulling the upset over Florida. 53 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:29,360 I still cannot believe that the Hawkeys won that game. 54 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,879 That roster had no business beating the defending champs. But 55 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,719 Ben McCollum is kind of a wizard, kind of good 56 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:36,520 at what he does. He's won eighty percent of his 57 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:39,960 games for a reason. And then if you wanted really 58 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,960 high quality basketball, I think this this weekend also really 59 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,879 showed that to you. I'm kind of going through some 60 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,759 of the games. Every time you kind of flip the screen, 61 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,719 you're like, man, that's a really good game that's playing. 62 00:02:49,719 --> 00:02:52,039 You know, even Michigan beats slow by you know, twenty 63 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,000 five points, but if you watch that game, you're like, Wow, 64 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:57,039 these are really two high quality teams running good offense. 65 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,199 So I felt like, for the most part, the quality 66 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:02,080 of play throughout the weekend was really good, officiating was 67 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,800 really poor. We got a lot of chalk and we 68 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:05,599 got one good upset and a couple of really really 69 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:06,520 good games. 70 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the there's a bit of a Cinderella 71 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:12,120 story with high point and the three point shooting, the efficiency, 72 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:12,639 et cetera. 73 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that. 74 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: And you know, do you want do does does does 75 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,280 the college basketball fan base do they want to see 76 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,439 Cinderellas make it to the Sweet sixteen? 77 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: Or do they just like. 78 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: That that initial round or a playing game type of 79 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,280 Cinderella story and it stops at the round of thirty two? 80 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: Do you think? 81 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at too. I think 82 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:37,800 one or two games that you win from a Cinderella 83 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 is great. But you know, I think a few years ago, 84 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:43,400 like FDU playing Carolina in a big Sweet sixteen game 85 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:45,719 wasn't necessarily the most fun or something like that like 86 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,759 that that's kind of the or No, I think it 87 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:50,599 was at Saint Peter's against Carolina where it wasn't super competitive. 88 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:51,960 But yeah, like that's kind of where it goes a 89 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,800 little bit too far for me. I think if you're 90 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,960 a basketball fame, you kind of look at this sweet 91 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,439 sixteenth slate. You're like, man, these are eight excellent games, 92 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:01,919 really excellent games, and you know, I think there's gonna 93 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:03,960 be a lot made of like, oh no, Cinderella's in 94 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,840 this second weekend, But I think there's real like explanations 95 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,719 for it, and it's far more than nil. And you know, 96 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,759 the portal, I think it really does come down to 97 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:14,360 just roster building and more teams at the top of 98 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,319 the sport are just trying to get bigger and bigger 99 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,439 and bigger, and to kind of use the football analogy 100 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,879 of just like, hey, big people move little people. I 101 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,040 think that's what we're kind of noticing more at the top, 102 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,120 and it's why some of the you know, the teams 103 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,800 like that are in the high major leagues have just 104 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,800 become more successful early in the tournament. I also thought 105 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,399 this tournament was seated better as well, like for the 106 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,839 most part that the top teams got decent draws, but 107 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:37,920 like a Utah State that's a really good team that 108 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,079 could have easily made the second weekend, they just had 109 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,480 to play Arizona slew It's a really good mid major 110 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:44,519 team they got they had a great year, but they 111 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:46,480 got a horrible draw. They had to play Michigan. That's 112 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,800 why they're not in the second weekend. So that just 113 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:51,800 felt more just like unfortunate timing, and it kind of 114 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,079 all muddles together. We have sixteen kind of high major 115 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,360 teams playing for the title. 116 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Calhoun was pretty ticked off when he got his 117 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:01,279 seating right the match tip in the bracket. He's like, 118 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:04,360 look like we should have been a higher seed and 119 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:05,399 we kind of got screwed. 120 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 4: That's why we're out in the round to thirty two. 121 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:08,959 Speaker 3: He said it prior to to tip off in that 122 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 first round, and he said it again in the post game. 123 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,079 And now he's he's head into a power conference where 124 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:16,680 he's got a more robust uh, he's got more robust resources. 125 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,040 And fortunately Utah State has said like four coaches, it 126 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:23,000 seems in five or six years they just start stepping 127 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:26,040 stone for everybody. But everybody moves there. Everyone can go 128 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,519 go there, move there and win there. 129 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: Right. There is no like there is no drop offs, 130 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,519 which is like you just names, change coaches, change players, 131 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,319 change Utah State keeps winning. So yeah, I'm just kind of. 132 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,319 Speaker 4: Curious, why is that? Do you think? How is that happening? 133 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:42,240 Do you think It's. 134 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: A good question, you know. I think part of it 135 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:47,000 is just like institutional there, Like they do a really 136 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,800 good job of like keeping guys like Mason Falslav has 137 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,399 stayed for three coaches now throughout his career, and he's 138 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:56,759 like one of the best players in the Mountain West. 139 00:05:57,079 --> 00:05:59,560 But it's definitely more than just that, Like I think 140 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:01,720 it's a it's a place that really loves basketball. I 141 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,519 think it's a place that gives good resources to its 142 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:06,800 coaches for its league. Right compared to some of the 143 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,519 other teams that are in there, they have a great 144 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:10,920 home court advantage, so I think that certainly helps. Well, 145 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:13,959 it's an attractive place to play basketball when you factor 146 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,759 in just everything that they have going there. So I 147 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:17,519 think that's kind of all of the different things there. 148 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,519 But also part of me just kind of feels like 149 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,199 it's a little bit of good fortune too, right, Like 150 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,720 there's they've done a good job of like executing and 151 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,920 finding good coaches and like I mean even Calhoun to 152 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:31,399 a certain extent, like if you looked at his resume 153 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:33,439 at Youngtound State, like I think a lot of people 154 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:35,720 like view him as like, oh, you have to like 155 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:37,800 win in March in order to like be a good 156 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,959 basketball coach like Calhoun didn't do that, but Utah States 157 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:42,959 brass still did a good job of being like, no, look, 158 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,319 he's exceeded expectations every single year at Youngtoun State. If 159 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:48,399 we give him these type of resources, he's going to win. 160 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,279 And sure enough they did just. 161 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: That, no doubt about it. 162 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: We were discussing, you know, the disappointments as well in 163 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,240 the NCAA Tournament. I think the BWAU Cougar's losing to 164 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Texas that was a disappointing for kugarnation we've had we 165 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:05,360 either there are some people that felt like, hey, this 166 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:07,120 is one of the more disappointing, if not the most 167 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,800 disappointing season in b leage basketball history, because of all 168 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,800 the talent that they had to start off the season, 169 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,759 the five season ending injuries. Three of those guys are 170 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,560 starters or rotation players. Give me your synopsis of BYU 171 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:22,560 this year. What did you see and how do you 172 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,519 feel it ended up for them? 173 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of a cursed year, right, Like 174 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:29,040 you feel like you're blessed with the type of talent 175 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:31,879 that you're able to accrue and just never really got 176 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,240 to see it on the full center stage, right like, 177 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,399 how many games does this team fully healthy? Like not 178 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:39,720 any of their biggest ones, right, Like, that's just a 179 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,639 fair a fair estimate of where this season was. But 180 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,879 I also do think there were some miscalculations with this 181 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,360 roster being built, you know, I think there if you 182 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,040 ask Kevin Young, like they probably wish that they had 183 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:51,759 a little bit more depth in the front line. And 184 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:53,879 you see the teams at the top of the sport, 185 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,279 right like what Arizona has done at the top of 186 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:00,079 the Big twelve, Like they have four massive dudes that 187 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,040 they can trot out in our major, major difference makers, 188 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,279 And it felt like the Uyu's frontline, like Kbaketa, outside 189 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:08,600 of that, it was a little limited, Right, That's just 190 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:10,720 a fair part of what their roster was. So I 191 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,720 think their margin for error was a little bit slimmer 192 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:16,199 than some of the teams at the top. But there's 193 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,800 no question if Richie Saunders was healthy, I would have 194 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:20,959 been stunned if Yu was not in the second weekend. 195 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:22,920 A guy like that can kind of almost single handedly 196 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,079 drag you into the into the second weekend when you're 197 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,920 paired with aj De Bones and you're paired with Rob 198 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:30,240 Wright and just without him, it felt like this team 199 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,600 kind of got wobbily. And you understand it for everything 200 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,679 he did on the court, off the court as a leader, 201 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,960 as their offensive, rebound englishry, the hustle, hustle guy basically 202 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,679 kept possessions alive. It's just a shame that a guy 203 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,919 like that didn't get to didn't get to play in 204 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:45,720 March Madness one more time? 205 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,639 Speaker 3: Who are your favorite teams right now to survive in 206 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:51,480 advance to get to that elite aid Where you leaning 207 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:51,960 right now? 208 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, like I think Arizona matches up 209 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,320 great with Arkansas. You know, I think Arkansas's interior defense 210 00:08:59,399 --> 00:09:01,480 is an issue, andandition defense is an issue, pick and 211 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,240 roll defenses issue. Arizona is like elite at all three 212 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,919 of those categories. So unless Darius Akuff like touches the 213 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,000 heavens and goes for you know, forty five, forty six points, like, 214 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,759 I think Arizona's good advance And to me, like, I 215 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,759 just feel like Arizona and Michigan have been the best 216 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:19,200 two teams that I've seen this year in person, and 217 00:09:19,799 --> 00:09:21,759 I just think they're on a collision course in the 218 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:23,639 final four. I think Michigan is going to be able 219 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:25,759 to get through an Alabama team that doesn't have Aiden Holloway. 220 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:27,360 I think they could get through a Tennessee team that 221 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:28,960 has a beat up Nate Amen. I think they could 222 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,159 get through a team like ioways say too as a 223 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:34,559 beat up Josh Jefferson. Like, so Michigan in Arizona feels 224 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,440 like the National Championship game that we're going to have 225 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,399 just forty eight hours early, right on that Saturday in April. 226 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:44,080 So those two teams feel inevitable. There's other good matchups though, 227 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:46,960 right Like I think Illinois Youson is super fascinating. Both 228 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,240 those teams are top six on Pempom, just elite teams, 229 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,519 Like if you told me in the beginning of the 230 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,399 season Illinois and he started playing in the final four 231 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,840 out to believe you, But we're getting it in the 232 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,000 sweet sixteen, and those two losters can certainly go toe 233 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:00,320 to toe, and I'm out obviously super fascinat by the 234 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,600 East Region, right like Duke and Saint John's Michigan State Yukon. 235 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,440 Pray for the reps because the refs that have to 236 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,039 officiate both of those games are going to get Earpuls, 237 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,480 super Rick Mesino, Dominzough, and Dan Earley. 238 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: You know, going back to the Texas Purdue matchup and 239 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:20,200 reflecting on BYU season, it reminds me of the sixth 240 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,840 seed that be what you pulled in twenty twenty one 241 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,919 where they had to face either Michigan State or UCLA 242 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,039 got the win over Michigan State. Both those teams are 243 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:31,600 really good teams. UCLA just and then went on a 244 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,960 run all the way to the Final four before losing. 245 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,279 I wanted to I want to say to Gonzaga that year, 246 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:39,960 is this another eleven seed Texas that all of a 247 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,279 sudden is going to go on a terror and upset Perdue. 248 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,759 Is there a possibility there the way to form the 249 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:47,759 fashion they're playing and how Sean Miller's coaching up this 250 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,039 crew right now. 251 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: It's in play. I don't think it's likely. I think 252 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,519 that Texas is actually a pretty rough matchup for Purdue. 253 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Like Purdue is so good in drop attacking drop coverage, 254 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,879 and Braden Smith and Trey Coff and Rent are just 255 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:04,960 like elite against that defensive coverage, and that's what Texas plays. 256 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,519 So I do think that there's avenues for Purdue to 257 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,879 win that one. It's an uphill climb certainly for Texas. 258 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:12,799 But at the same time, like if you talk to 259 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,720 rival coaches in the SEC, like they would say, like, hey, 260 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Florida's the most talented team and the best team in 261 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,120 our league. But Texas is the scariest because like they 262 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,159 just have like this different gear that they can get to. 263 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,840 And I think lately, like Jordan Pope's been playing like 264 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:29,559 a really really good player like Tremon Mark is obviously 265 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,080 really scary. It can go off at any given moment. 266 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:35,679 Dalen Swain can. It's like one of the elite drivers 267 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,200 of the basketball this year, Like from a points for 268 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,120 possessions perspective, he's been elite in that category. But I 269 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,399 think the real X factor for them is in Mantis. Mukaitis, 270 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,480 like his emergence from like a good mid major transfer 271 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,720 into like a really good Big twelve big man has 272 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:52,440 certainly or SEC big man. Sorry that Texas is not 273 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,320 in the Big twelve anymore, and certainly definitely changed the 274 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:59,039 calculus for that Texas group, But I still think they 275 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,480 go down this week. I think Perdy is a tough 276 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,279 matchup for them across the board. In this Texas defense 277 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,240 that we know has real issues. I think they could 278 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,039 get carved by the best offense in college basketball. 279 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: A team I'm kind of rooting for. You know, maybe 280 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,600 it's nostalgia for me because I grew up in there. 281 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:17,360 I'm only, you know, forty three, but kind of for 282 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,960 Saint John's. 283 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: To upset Duke as well. 284 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: We've seen the best, and we seen the worst, and 285 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:25,879 the best of Duke was, you know, lost one to 286 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,240 Sienos in that one sixteen matchup, and then they showed 287 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:34,039 their best face versus TCU destroying the horn Frogs. What 288 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,559 type of team are we're gonna see from from Duke 289 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,240 versus Saint John's or do you think that's another Should 290 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:40,519 that be an upset alert game? 291 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: It's certainly an upset alert game because I don't think 292 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,200 the talent level between Saint John's and Duke is all 293 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,080 that far. Like it's pretty talented rosters like Zoobi Edge 294 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,440 of four is a All American candidate. Bryce Hopkins is 295 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,840 playing like an All Big East type of guy. Dylan 296 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:57,840 Mitchell is a freaky wing. They have guards that can 297 00:12:57,879 --> 00:12:59,879 really go right, like if you and Jackson play as well. 298 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 He was a top ten recruit in the transfer portal 299 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,600 and a top ten recruit in high school for a reason, 300 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,240 so it really wouldn't be a surprise if Saint John's one. 301 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:10,879 I do kind of feel like this one for all 302 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:13,320 of like how I was kind of singing college basketball 303 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,840 praises for all of these like beautifully aesthetic games in 304 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,480 the first weekend, Saint John's Duke is not going to 305 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:20,519 be that, in my opinion, I think this one could 306 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,639 be like a football game on the basketball club for 307 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,399 both of these just really aggressive big dudes are just 308 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,120 hitting each other for forty minutes, so it's going to 309 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:32,039 be a very, very physical game. I think that both 310 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,720 these teams guard each other really well, and just the 311 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:37,840 avalanche of like who rebound rebounds the other I think 312 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,840 is actually going to tilt the scales in this one 313 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,120 because Duke is so good at limiting the boards, and 314 00:13:42,159 --> 00:13:44,480 if you can keep Saint John's off the offensive glass, 315 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:46,879 you certainly have a chance to beat them like that. 316 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,639 Saint John's team got six threes from Bryce Hopkins right like, 317 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:52,799 that's the most of his career. I think he mostly 318 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,840 had ever made a game four was three. They got 319 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:58,360 eleven offensive rebounds against Kansas. They shot thirty. You know, 320 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:00,759 they made eleven threes, which is a great thing for them, 321 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,519 and they still only manage sixty seven points and manage 322 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,679 under like under a point for possession, So like it's 323 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,279 a limited offense. And I think against a team like Duke, 324 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,360 if you can keep them off the offensive glass and 325 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,360 just guard them, well, I think you could could keep 326 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:17,799 them under seventy points. And in that scenario, I have 327 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,360 a hard time seeing the Blue Devils lose. 328 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:23,159 Speaker 3: One of the elements that I'm always intrigued by is 329 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,960 the coaching carousel during March Madness. And you know, Herebert 330 00:14:27,039 --> 00:14:30,240 Davis out at UNC, the easy thing to do, the 331 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 low hanging fruit thing to do, the sexy thing to 332 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:34,720 do for these eighties is to just go out and 333 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:38,559 find somebody that's currently in the sweet sixteen. Right, I've 334 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:40,159 been looking over at like, you know, kind of a 335 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,720 younger coach Otselberger, Like that could be an option. 336 00:14:42,759 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: Do you think, you know where do they target? Who 337 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:45,480 do they target? 338 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: They try to go out and get Patino right because 339 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:50,879 of everything that he's done and try to pay him 340 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,720 a bag because he's still got vigor and vim and 341 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:57,720 still high energy. Here his halftime speeches and he gets 342 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:02,080 after it. Oh so Alzberger, I was dy, he's always overachieving. 343 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:04,559 I think Mark Pope said he could he could go 344 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,039 pick up, like, you know, five guys from home depot 345 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,679 and create like a top twenty five defense or something 346 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,879 like that with his coaching ability. Anyway, give me your 347 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,559 thoughts on that vacancy and where they're going to turn to. 348 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: It's it's drastic. It really has a chance to kind 349 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,759 of change the landscape in college basketball because the ripple 350 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:25,840 effects are huge. So I think the biggest thames you 351 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:29,200 look at right now are Billy Donovan, who's at the Bulls. 352 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:31,320 I think there's a really good chance that Billy Donovan 353 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,240 could leave the Bulls either in the middle of the 354 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,159 season or by the end of the season. He'd have 355 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,000 no buy out for Carolina to pay, and Carolina could 356 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,039 be a really attractive spot. And I think people look 357 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:41,720 at him and be like, well, you know, if you 358 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:44,279 want to come back to this Arab college basketball, I'd 359 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,080 argue this Arab college basketball is easier for Billy Donovan 360 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,320 to come back and coach at right It's it's more 361 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,159 transactional than ever. You're not spending three years chasing kids 362 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,600 down on the recruiting trail and trying to know everybody right, 363 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:59,279 like it's the zoom, it's here's our pitch, here's the money, 364 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:01,600 here's the role. Do you want to play here? And 365 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,440 like so I feel like that actually might be easier 366 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,879 for him to get on board with something like that. 367 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,279 So he's certainly their top name on the board right now. 368 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,600 But there's some big names too that they're looking at. 369 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:17,120 Tommy Lloyd from Arizona, tj Osselberger at Iowa State, Dusty 370 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,360 May at Michigan. Those would be the three names I'd 371 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,720 also keep an eye on if those four don't coalesce, 372 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:24,840 like I think Ozenberger would actually do a really good 373 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:27,759 job there. But say those four don't come through, I 374 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,519 think then you're kind of looking at a crop of 375 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,399 names that would probably include like a Mark Byington at Vanderbilt, 376 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:35,879 who's done a great job everywhere he's been. But I 377 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,919 just have a hard time seeing like North Carolina off 378 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,480 with a job to t j Otzilberger at him saying no, right, 379 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:42,240 and we know he's one of the best coaches in 380 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:45,120 college basket one. If that happened, I think Carolina woul 381 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,000 feel pretty good about its upside in future. 382 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: I just wonder is is TJ refined enough? Is he 383 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,279 dapper enough? Is he white collar enough? For un see you. 384 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: Know what I mean? 385 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: He seems pretty gritty, pretty blue collar, you know what 386 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:01,919 I mean, a rough round the edges around them unc 387 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,079 you know, tar heeled donors. 388 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. That's exactly what I was 389 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,440 thinking as well, too, because like if you've read about 390 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,480 t J Altenberg, he wakes up at four fifty nine 391 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:15,960 every morning because he wants to have his idea that 392 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,200 he got up before or five. 393 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: Right. 394 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,319 Speaker 1: He's militaristic in the way that his programs run like 395 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,960 it's very like by the book, and we're all together 396 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,880 in this. It's almost like boot camp est right. I 397 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,960 think his dad was in the army. So there's like that. 398 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 4: No entitlement, no entitlement. We don't bring in. 399 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: Entitlement exactly, And so it's a it's a different thing. 400 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:38,440 And you could argue that North Carolina needs change, they 401 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,359 need something different like that. Would everybody be on board 402 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,079 with it? I think that's a question, and it's a 403 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,920 fair one, right, where Whereas like like let's just call 404 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,000 it spade to stay like if Kansas opened up, I 405 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,400 could see Ozolberger looking at that Kansas chow being more 406 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,359 attractive to Kansas and Carolina Like that just is what 407 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,960 it is. But yeah, it's it's it really, those dynamics 408 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:02,319 and these coaching carousels are so fascinating and the ripple 409 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:04,880 effects are obvious because it just it has a chance 410 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,119 to impact the portal, impact, the coaching carousel, impact who's available, 411 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,839 Like the money is going to be nuts, like and 412 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,119 I was kind of geared up for a quiet coaching carousel, 413 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,559 and Carolina and maybe Kansas have certainly gone a lot 414 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,319 to change that. 415 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt about it. If you had to put 416 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,359 money on it. 417 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: Right now, who wins the natty y leen in you 418 00:18:24,599 --> 00:18:26,920 of a yoleen in Michigan? Is there going to be 419 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,559 an upset that you're willing to put your name on. 420 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: We won't quote you, We're not going to put it 421 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:31,839 in quotes. 422 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,759 Speaker 1: Okay, well, thanks for thanks for not quoting that. But 423 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:39,480 I've gone with Arizona for a while and I'm just 424 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:40,720 gonna lean with it. 425 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:41,799 Speaker 4: You know. 426 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: I think the reason why is I'm just in onun 427 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:47,119 skilled size and the pure ros size that that whole 428 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,119 team has is just really hard to account for. And 429 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,720 here's the other thing too, Braden Burry's is playing not 430 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:54,559 like a good guard, He's playing like a great guard. 431 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,240 And so I think when you add him to the 432 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:59,240 mix alongside you know, you know, just the steadiness of 433 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:02,359 Jaden Bradley, just their elite defenders at every position, that 434 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,720 gives me the slight edge. But Arizona Michigan, I'm telling 435 00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:08,200 you that feels like the two best teams, and I 436 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,000 don't know how that game is gonna go. Arizona has 437 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,319 the best backcourt. I would say Michigan has a slightly 438 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,079 better front court. Their coaching is even, their benches kind 439 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,039 of even. So I give Arizona the slightest nod there. 440 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:20,720 But there's also part of me that wonders that, like, hey, 441 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,359 if the winner of that Arizona Michigan game, like, is 442 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,920 there a chance they're just buddied or bloodied and battered 443 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,200 and brewed after that forty minute game, Like if they're 444 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,920 a little bit they just don't have enough in the 445 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,279 tank for that following Monday against whoever. So the door 446 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,799 is certainly opened for maybe in Illinois or a Houston 447 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,319 or Duke or something like that. But I'll ride with 448 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,440 Arizona for here on out. 449 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, you know, we're in Big twelve country, right, 450 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,440 I was hoping maybe you they Houston match up in 451 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:46,000 the Natty. 452 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 4: I thought that could you know, all. 453 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: The Big twelve acolytes advocates, they just want to get 454 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,839 that confirmation by So this Big twelve was and is 455 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,480 the best conference in America even though they only got 456 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:00,960 eight seeds and the SEC got ten. 457 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: Tell me how that happened. 458 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: I think it's just more top heavy, right, Like, I 459 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,799 think it's pretty clear the top of the Big twelve 460 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:11,880 is on a different tier than a lot of the leagues, right. 461 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,240 I think them in the Big Ten are the top 462 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:16,000 two leagues for me this year. Like, I don't. I 463 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:19,000 didn't see the SEC on that caliber. I know they 464 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,720 were number one on Ken Pond, but I just the 465 00:20:20,759 --> 00:20:22,599 eye test was not the same. You know, there's a 466 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,920 lot of teams in that league that did not play 467 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,880 defense or and in the Big twelve, like, it's way 468 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,240 better scouted. In the Big Ten, it's way better scouted. 469 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:32,519 So for me, it's a Big Ten or Big Twelve conversation. 470 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:34,119 I think we'll let that play out on the floor 471 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,359 if Arizona and Michigan go ahead to head in the 472 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:36,920 final four. 473 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: Love it, Isaac Trotter, Ladies and gentlemen, CBS Sports and 474 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:44,920 twenty four to seven as well, Isaac. 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