1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: M hmm, I walk straight line shackle change. Oh weesome, Girdie, 2 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,359 it's calling my name. 3 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: There is no mercy and it's been a tentery juice as. 4 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:42,079 Speaker 1: The hill Stream game wrangled the three. 5 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:46,679 Speaker 3: I'm here, bef, I'm. 6 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:54,359 Speaker 4: Here to die inside these walls, inside the wild. 7 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:32,599 Speaker 3: Han't went more girls. I'm hey everyone, and welcome back 8 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:35,879 to Bloody Angola, a podcast one hundred and forty two 9 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,400 years in the making, the complete story of America's bloodiest prison. 10 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:44,879 I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and we're continuing with this 11 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:49,519 third installment in the Felix Veil series. And the last 12 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,000 time that I left you, I was giving you the 13 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,519 story through the eyes of the journalists who really cracked 14 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,000 this case, and I'm going to continue on with that. 15 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:02,519 And if you will remember in the last episode, I 16 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:08,000 told you about Felix Veil's passion for journaling, and when 17 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:12,639 those journals were found, they were going through by this 18 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:17,599 investigative journalist named Jerry Mitchell, as well as Miss Frenzel, 19 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:23,000 who you'll remember was a private investigator known affectionately as Batgirl. 20 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,280 So one of the interesting things that they did in 21 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,800 order to really get a lot of evidence after Felix 22 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,039 Veil's arrest. Was that these two people went through those 23 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,360 journals and they tried to locate as many people as 24 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,520 possible that they would see referenced in the journals to 25 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,000 see if they had any sort of evidence on Felix 26 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,479 Veil's or rent of terror. They're trying to build as 27 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,280 much evidence as possible. They want to make sure that 28 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,719 this guy is going to get convicted this time, and 29 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,719 unlike fifty years prior, he doesn't get out. So I'm 30 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:03,960 going to pick up with Jerry Mitchell's account. For every 31 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:07,960 person Frinzily and I tracked down that Val had mentioned 32 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,840 in this conversation in journals, there were hundreds we were 33 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,520 unable to find. In many cases we didn't have last names, 34 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,080 and many others we had no names. That was the 35 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,439 case with the team we came to call bicycle boy 36 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:27,840 who bicycle would veil across California. Val told Frenzl he 37 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 was a real smart teenage boy with long hair who 38 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,000 kind of looked like a girl. Both of them wore 39 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,719 cotton jim shorts. They biked in the sun all day. 40 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:41,000 At night, they slept under pup tents under the stars, 41 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,639 and Val remembered it being one hundred and ten degrees 42 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:48,759 in the desert. When police pulled the pair over, officers 43 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,120 held him in the back of the squad car for 44 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:54,520 more than an hour, questioning him, and when his story 45 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,919 indeed checked out, they opened the door and they apologized. 46 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,439 He said police became suspicious because he didn't look like 47 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,560 his driver's license picture. Instead of looking older, he looked 48 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:09,680 about ten years younger. We need to find bicycle boy, 49 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:12,639 Frienzel told me. I bet he knows something. How can 50 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:16,000 we find him when we don't even know his name now. 51 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,680 After Vale's arrest, Rose did something she hadn't done in ages. 52 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,920 She danced. It was like a weight had been lifted, 53 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,040 she said, knowing he's behind bars. In fall of twenty thirteen, 54 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,759 she telephoned me with the news that the couple who 55 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,000 had purchased Vale's home in Tulsa had discovered something in 56 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,839 the attic. So there did end up being something in 57 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:41,879 the attic after all. On October tenth of twenty thirteen, 58 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:46,160 I accompanied roseen frienzled to the Tulsa Police department, where 59 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,839 walls displayed photographs of famous criminals those officers had busted, 60 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,839 including my Barker and pretty Boy Floyd. The detectives led 61 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,079 us inside an office where they showed photographs of what 62 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:02,279 they had found in the attic, a woman's overnight bag 63 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:07,240 which contained two complete outfits, a swimsuit and sunglasses. They 64 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,519 pointed at a blown up photograph of birth control pills. 65 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:14,519 Rose confirmed the signature on the prescription as belonging to 66 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:18,839 her daughter, a Net. Tulsa police opened their files, and 67 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:23,399 I noticed all the contradictions in Vale's statement. He had 68 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:26,120 told officers he dropped a Net off at the Trailway 69 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,959 bus station in Saint Louis, where she went inside to 70 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,720 buy a ticket to go to Denver. Vale told police 71 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,800 their marriage was not working and that Annette was tired 72 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,759 of her family. That was why Vel explained she wanted 73 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,680 to get a fake ID in head for Mexico. But 74 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,480 his whole story had been blown up by the revelation 75 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:48,079 that the couple had been seen weeks later by his relatives. 76 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:51,800 The couple had visited during the cal Cam Fair in 77 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:57,279 Sulf Louisiana in nineteen eighty four. Before the couple left 78 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,839 and Vale returned alone. Why didn't the police confront him 79 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,040 over that? When Detective Lorie Visser questioned Veil in nineteen 80 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,279 ninety four. Veil claimed Annette called him from Mexico, first 81 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,079 when she was pregnant and later when she had a child. 82 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,839 We have only his word as to why net is gone. 83 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,639 Viser said there may be other victims. In a nineteen 84 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:24,040 ninety five report, a consultant by the name of Michael 85 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,319 Greer told Tulsa police that Vell killed to free the 86 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:32,439 spirit of each woman he considered whores who needed release 87 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:37,160 from domineering mothers. Gear concluded that freeing the spirit became 88 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,879 Veil's justification for these crimes. That evening, rose Friendzly and 89 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,959 I visited the couple who had made the discovery. Inside 90 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,279 Vale's old home, John Hall, scept Veil removed a padlock 91 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,199 from the attic door last November and left with a 92 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:57,519 big box full of items. He didn't know what Veil removed. 93 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,439 Hall's wife, Stephanie, caught Veil ten making a picture of 94 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,480 their three year old son. Veil had a shocked look 95 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:07,480 on his face, she said, over and over, he tried 96 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:10,600 to get my son alone. She led us upstairs to 97 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:14,439 the attic storeroom and shut us the dust covered suitcase. 98 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,240 When she opened the suitcase and saw the name on 99 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:20,600 the birth control pills. She said she realized it was 100 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,759 Veil's wife who had been missing since nineteen eighty four, 101 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,000 and that the explanation he had given for her disappearance 102 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,600 was obviously a lie. She put the items back in 103 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:34,199 the bag and called police. What kind of lady takes 104 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,240 off for a new life and does it take her 105 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,279 birth control? She asked. It really sunk in when I 106 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:43,800 saw her name. He really did this. In the weeks 107 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:47,959 that followed, I discovered something Tulsa police had overlooked. There 108 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,519 had never been a Trailways bus station in Saint Louis, 109 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,079 just a Greyhound bus terminal built in nineteen sixty seven. 110 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Frienzil figured out that the torn photograph Rose found in 111 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:04,120 Veil's home in nineteen eighty five was actually a NETS 112 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,600 stamped passport photograph. Ripping the picture out would have rendered 113 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:12,720 her passport unvalid. So why would Vale have hung onto 114 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:16,560 that photo a reminder of what might have been a souvenir? 115 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:21,040 No one will ever know. On November twenty third of 116 00:08:21,079 --> 00:08:24,600 twenty thirteen, Frienzell finally got her chance to confront Vale 117 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,199 when she visited him at the Calcashu Parish Correctional Center 118 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,399 in Lake Charles. Vel talked about some kind of circus 119 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:36,519 I have gotten swept up into, she said. Frenzel told 120 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,679 him that there was a lot of stuff out there 121 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,279 and it's all bullshit. Veil replied, my wife fell out 122 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,360 of a boat fifty years ago and drowned in a river. 123 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:49,039 She asked about the photographs of his wife Mary when 124 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,879 she was recovered from that river. He insisted he hadn't 125 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,159 seen them. She asked him about the missing women. I've 126 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,039 dated several hundred maybe in my lifetime. He replied, I 127 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:02,600 don't know where any of them were. In the end, 128 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,279 he said, these women were healthier and smarter than when 129 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:10,240 I met them. There's that arrogance again, y'all said, tell 130 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:14,039 me about Sharon. Frenzel said, you're telling me. The story 131 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,440 is she settled off into the wild blue yonder. I 132 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,720 don't know where she is or where she went, he said. 133 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,879 Frienzel asked when he last saw her someplace where the 134 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:27,159 boats are, he said. She asked him about where he 135 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:29,679 last saw in that vel. He said they were walking 136 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,279 around a zoo and ran into several people, and she 137 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,000 left with those people on a bus in Saint Louis. 138 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,519 Why would she get on a bus with people she 139 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,000 didn't know? They were going to South America? They were 140 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,720 going south? He said, yeah, Well, why would she leave 141 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:49,159 with people she didn't know? I asked she wanted to 142 00:09:49,159 --> 00:09:52,639 go south? She asked why he didn't go with her? 143 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,840 We were together off and on. She asked if that 144 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,360 was the last time that he saw in it. Yes, 145 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:04,159 he replied, I don't believe it. She said, they'll stared 146 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,879 at her now. I hope you're getting paid well. Her 147 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:14,000 reply was not a single dime. What's your motive? He asked, justice? 148 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,879 She said, justice is a joke here. He replied, I 149 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,480 have done nothing bad. I slapped one woman in my 150 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,919 entire life. He said he had to hit a woman 151 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,360 in self defense because she had slapped him three times. 152 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,519 He denied. The woman he hit was Beth Field, who 153 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,159 secured a nineteen eighty eight protective order against him after 154 00:10:34,159 --> 00:10:37,159 he beat her twice, bursting her ear drum, according to 155 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,360 court records. He denied that too. He denied he had 156 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,759 carried out any violence in his lifetime, except twice in 157 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,639 self defense when mobs of men supposedly attacked him. Friends 158 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:51,960 will say court record show you beat the shit out 159 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,039 of Beth Field. They'll denied that accusation, saying authorities laughed 160 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 about the claim and that Field went home with him friends. 161 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,159 Will pressed him. From the bottom of your heart, you 162 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,600 know you're not getting out of here, you know that, 163 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:08,279 so why not just tell the other two families about 164 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,840 where their women are so they can sleep at night. 165 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:15,720 Do you sleep at night? Do you incredible? He said? 166 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,440 She replied, You're never gonna get out of here, so 167 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,080 why not give the family some closure? Veil said, they 168 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,799 have no right to arrest me. They have every right 169 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:29,240 in the world. She replied, Nope, they didn't, and with that, 170 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:33,360 Veil hung up the phone. In spring of twenty fifteen, 171 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:38,159 I answered my telephone. The woman on the line signed hysterical, 172 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,279 and I was ready to hang up when I heard 173 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:43,039 her mention that she had been married to Felix Veil. 174 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,679 I stayed on and listened to Alexandra Christiansen tell her story. 175 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:53,200 And y'all, I told you all about the Alexandria Christiansen 176 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,360 situation in the last episode, and I'm gonna get a 177 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:00,840 little bit into the trial now. So District Attorney John 178 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:04,159 DeRosier stepped in front of the jury. The sixty nine 179 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,919 year old prosecutor still bore the firm grip he had 180 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,279 from his days in the Vietnam War when he was 181 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:13,679 a machine gunner for the Marines. He told history in 182 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:17,679 three chapters, starting with Homecoming Queen Mary Horton. On the 183 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:21,519 night of October twenty eighth, nineteen sixty two, he said, 184 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:26,879 William Felix Veil quietly slipped the lifeless body of Mary Horton. 185 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,799 Veil into the Calcashu River. The blood to her head 186 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:32,840 and the scarf shoved in her throat, along with other 187 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,360 unknown trauma, would assure that she would never breathe again. 188 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:40,720 In telling you the next two chapters, the district attorney 189 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:44,600 read from letters that Veil wrote to two mothers after 190 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,399 their daughters disappear. In nineteen seventy four, Vl swore to 191 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,960 Sharon Hensley's mother that her daughter wanted to forget everyone 192 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,279 and become a new person. In nineteen eighty five, Vel 193 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:58,279 insisted to Mary Rose and that her daughter Annette was 194 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,600 getting ready to drop everybody and start over before she 195 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,159 disappeared herself. Veil ended the note by reassuring Rose that 196 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,440 even if he knew where net was, I wouldn't tell you. 197 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,720 At that point in the courtroom, Veil smirked. Mary Horton 198 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:17,200 Vale is gone. Sharon Hensley is gone, de Roger said, 199 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,279 and in that craver, Veil is gone. He told jurors, 200 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,759 you're gonna have to write the last chapter, and it's 201 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,919 simply going to read. And justice was finally done. William 202 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:34,919 Felix Veil guilty is charged. Then Andrew Casanov stepped in 203 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,320 front of the jurors. In his spare time, the sixty 204 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,000 year old public defender performed in community theater, something he 205 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,960 believed aided him in the courtroom. Although he thought the 206 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,279 public Defender's office was outmanned in this trial, he believed 207 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,879 the defense could still win. He didn't need to convince 208 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,480 all twelve jurors that this nineteen sixty two death was accidental. 209 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,639 All he needed was one He pictured. October twenty eighth, 210 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:03,480 nineteen sixty two, is a romantic evening on the water 211 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,600 with Felix and Mary Val. She wanted out of the house, 212 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:09,759 as any new mother would understand. He said. It was 213 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,600 a beautiful day, a clear sky, a new moon, and 214 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:16,279 there was no moonlight. The couple left their baby with 215 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,960 a sitter. He said, it gets dark fast. Then something 216 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:25,159 goes wrong and Mary falls in the water alive. Felix 217 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,919 tries to save her, but he can't. It's dark, the 218 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,639 water is dark, and he can't find her. Meanwhile, he said, 219 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,639 the boat Veil left is drifting because he didn't anchor it, 220 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:38,399 and he is left with no choice die of exhaustion 221 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:41,399 or get back to the boat. So he swims back 222 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,759 to the boat. Vel decides to bring the boat to 223 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,679 the sheriff's office, goes in and reports that she fell 224 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,600 in the water. There's nothing evil or mysterious about this, 225 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:53,759 the lawyer said. We all know people who fall out 226 00:14:53,799 --> 00:14:56,919 of boats and drown. He questioned those who plan to 227 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,440 testify that Veil had confessed to the killing SA they 228 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,720 failed to call authorities of the time. He described the 229 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,000 DA's case as full of air. Push comes to shove, 230 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,639 they got nothing. The case should have been brought in 231 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,120 nineteen sixty two, he said, when deputies could have testified, 232 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:18,399 and now their work is missing. He cited cases where 233 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,159 people had disappeared only to reappear years later, and that 234 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,240 Craver might be in Mexico, sham Hensley might be in 235 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:31,320 a nursing home in Cleveland. Prosecutors are relying on supposition, innuendo, 236 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:34,519 rumor in a certain amount of sympathy to convict a man. 237 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:38,440 Do the right thing and vote this man not guilty 238 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:42,879 and send this man home. Assistant District Attorney Hugo. Holland 239 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,480 kept the murder trial moving like an officer directing traffic. 240 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,200 That made sense because he had worked his way through 241 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,440 law school as a deputy. The bald, fifty three year 242 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,200 old prosecutor bore some resemblance to the nineteen seventies TV 243 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:59,879 detective Kojak. His talent for tough cases led him to 244 00:15:59,879 --> 00:16:03,960 be a special prosecutor, flying from district to district to 245 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,320 ensure the bad guys went away for good. In the 246 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,759 Veil case, he dipped into his law enforcement experience to 247 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,240 investigate the case with Melissa Soigne from Derozer's office. They 248 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,639 traveled across the US to conduct interviews. When Holland read 249 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,320 Veil's letter that he had not the slightest idea where 250 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Annette might have gotten to by now, he thought of 251 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,840 suspected Syir killer Eric Michelson, who told authorities he had 252 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,200 no idea where the victims had gotten by now. During 253 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,200 his legal research, Holland discovered the doctrine of chances, which 254 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,559 enabled him to introduce the disappearances of two other women 255 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:46,679 in Veil's life as evidence. The doctrine had his roots 256 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,320 in a nineteen fifteen murder trial of George Joseph Smith 257 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,720 in England. Three of his wives has supposedly drowned by 258 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,679 accident in bathtub shortly after making out wills or taking 259 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,480 out life insurance policies that been a fitted them. Although 260 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:04,519 Smith was only tried for one murder, the jury was 261 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:08,079 allowed to hear evidence regarding the other two wives deaths. 262 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,240 Eventually the jury convicted him. In Vale's trial, prosecutors called 263 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,880 all three families to testify. Will Horton told jurors about 264 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,960 his sister, Mary was the kind of person you would 265 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:24,000 want as a friend. The same night his sister prepared 266 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:27,039 to walk onto the field as homecoming queen at Eunice 267 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,960 High School, she took the time to straighten her younger 268 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,559 brother's bowtie. She was more concerned about him than getting 269 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:37,960 herself ready. His voice cracked as he spoke about visiting 270 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,319 his nephew after Mary's death in nineteen sixty two, which 271 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,079 he did often I just want to build to know 272 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,200 how much his mother loved him. As he stepped down 273 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,480 from the witness stand, hent his some jurors wiping tears, 274 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,039 The defense attorney told him, I know you loved your sister. 275 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:58,599 Testimony continued with Brian Hensley telling jurors that he saw 276 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,640 his sister last Sharon, with Veil before the pair left Bismarck, 277 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,359 North Dakota in nineteen seventy two. Other than a telephone call. 278 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,279 In letters in the massa followed, he said no one 279 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:13,279 had seen or heard from her since. When Mary Rose 280 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:16,119 took the witness stand, Veil bowed his head, and when 281 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,200 the screen shod a picture of him together with a net, 282 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:22,599 she thought she saw a tear in his eyes. She 283 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,240 called Annette a huge light in my life. We were 284 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:29,599 always loving towards each other. She testified. The Veil ran 285 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,319 off with her daughter and married her a Neet who 286 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,839 inherited nearly one hundred thousand dollars and received two homes, 287 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,039 disappeared weeks after beating those homes. To Veil, have you 288 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,720 seen or heard from your daughter since September of nineteen 289 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:46,079 eighty four? No, she replied, how long have you been 290 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,039 waiting to tell this jury thirty two years, she replied. 291 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,960 Veil's former friends became some of the strongest witnesses against him. 292 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,640 Wesley Turnage, Rob Fremont and Bruce Spiderbach swore under oath 293 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,039 the Veil said he killed his first wife. Jurors watched 294 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:06,720 a videotape of Biderbach testifying that Vell told him out 295 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:09,200 of the blue that he killed his wife. He said 296 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,680 he asked Veil if she was a bitch, and Veil 297 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:15,839 said yes. I then glanced over at Veil he was laughing. 298 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,079 Asked if he had been married before. Biderbach said yes. 299 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:23,920 Was she a bitch? The defense lawyer asked, my first 300 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,599 wife was did you kill her? 301 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:26,559 Speaker 1: No? 302 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: What a strange question to ask in the hopes of 303 00:19:29,279 --> 00:19:34,400 proving your client's innocence. After jurors watched the videotape testimony 304 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,400 of Bierbock in Fremont, they heard Turnage describe his nineteen 305 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,039 sixty four conversation he had with Veil about his first 306 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,599 wife Mary. He was talking about his wife and said 307 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:49,680 that bitch and I were having problems. Turner's testified he 308 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,480 said Vell talked about his wife wanting a second child. 309 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:55,920 He said, I don't want another one. I fix that 310 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,720 damn bitch. She won't ever have another one. He testified 311 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,079 that he he wanted to tell authorities, but his mother 312 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,079 made him promise he would never speak of Veil. After 313 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,240 his mother's death, he were gone and decided to contact me. 314 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,960 The defense accused Turnage of wanting to be famous since 315 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,559 he called me rather than authorities. Turnage replied that he 316 00:20:16,599 --> 00:20:19,839 didn't telephone me to be famous, saying he only spoke 317 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,000 out because he felt like it was the right thing 318 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:26,799 to do. After finishing his testimony, he hobbled across the courtroom. 319 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,440 The whole time he scowled at Vail, making me wonder 320 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,319 if he was going to try and smack him with 321 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,880 his cane. The elderly man broke into a smile, telling 322 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,400 Veil's lawyer, you have a nice day. Vel glared at 323 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,720 Gina Frenzel as she took the witness stand. The red 324 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,680 haired private investigator remained calm. She told the story of 325 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,519 reading gone in March of twenty thirteen, and how the 326 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:54,400 story of a net craver Veil still missing struck her soul. 327 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,359 She described her investigation, which included going under cover and 328 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,559 speaking to Veil inside his home in Canyon Lake, Texas, 329 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,319 after his May twenty thirteen arrest. She said he had 330 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,279 asked her to return his truck and remove a few 331 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:12,400 things from his house. She said she went inside and 332 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,759 photographed everything she could find, including letters and journals She read. 333 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:19,759 In October twentieth, two thousand and three entry in which 334 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,079 Val wrote about a family property dispute that ended with 335 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,799 him being evicted from his deceased parents home. He wrote 336 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:31,720 about learning to handle the situation without murder. The lawyer replied, 337 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,519 without murder, that's a normal option. Under cross examination, the 338 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:41,559 defense lawyer asked her, you are probably counting the thousands 339 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:44,440 you were going to make off this trial. She replied, 340 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,720 I'm actually trying to figure out how to recoup the 341 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:50,519 thousands of spent on this case. The lawyer then asked, 342 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:53,599 Felix Vale did not ask you to go snooping through 343 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:56,880 his house? Did he know? She replied, someone asked you 344 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,400 to do it. No, she replied. The lawyer presents zoomed 345 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,000 I had asked. Actually, she did it on her own, 346 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,400 But the conversation she had with Veil in the journal 347 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,960 she copied gave the world insight into the complex and contradictory. 348 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,400 Felix Veil all, in his own words, his best hope 349 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,519 for walking free was convincing jarors the death of his 350 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,279 wife Mary was an accident, just as the original corner 351 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:26,240 had ruled. When the defense attorney complained to the judge 352 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,359 that no one could say where Mary Veal went into 353 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,559 the Kalkishu River, Felix vel pointed at himself and said, 354 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,440 I can the current corner. A pathologist by the name 355 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,000 of doctor Terry Welk testified that in the vast majority 356 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,799 of drownings, the body comes up in a dead person's float, 357 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,079 the back of the head surfaces first and the limbs 358 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,680 hanging down in the water. After sharing a series of 359 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,839 pictures to illustrate this, he showed two black and white 360 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:58,279 photographs of Mary Horton Veil when her body was recovered 361 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:01,880 on October thirtieth, nineteen six sixty two. Jars glimpsed at 362 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,799 the photographs, and they looked damning her dark scarf covering 363 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,640 her mouth and her arms in a coffin like pose. 364 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:13,400 They also saw the videotaped testimony of Isaac Abshire Junior, 365 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,680 who died in twenty fourteen. He said her body was 366 00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:20,640 stiff when it surfaced either sideways or face up when 367 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,519 she bobbed up and down in the Kalkashi River. That 368 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,759 testimony helped contribute to Wilke's homicide conclusion. So did the unbroken, 369 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,000 grease like stain across her chi Omega sweatshirt, which he 370 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,279 believed could have come from a tarp covering her. He 371 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,240 believed she was dead and stiff before body went into 372 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:44,039 the water, which he said explained why rigor mortis had set. 373 00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:49,160 In the defense, forensic pathologist doctor James Traylor disagreed, saying 374 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,759 there was no evidence she was dead before she went 375 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:55,160 in the water. Trailer sounded convincing, and Jerors appeared to 376 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,839 be paying close attention. I knew all it took was 377 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,839 Trailer disputed the prosecution claim that her body was in 378 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720 rigor because she had been in the water seventy two 379 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:10,880 hours or so, but under cross examination, he conceded her 380 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,559 body could be stiff if she had been in the 381 00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:17,240 water less than a day. What Trailer didn't realize was 382 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:20,640 the death certificate he had relied on for his conclusions 383 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,599 had the wrong death date. She had indeed been in 384 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,759 the water one less day than he thought. Before he 385 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:31,119 finished testifying, He pointed out the hematoma on the back 386 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,200 of her head, saying any determination regarding her death would 387 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:39,079 need to account for that. The autopsy showed Mary Vale 388 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,200 suffered a four inch hematoma on the back of her head. 389 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,799 She also suffered a four inch beries to her right 390 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,359 calf and a two inch beries above her left knee. 391 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,640 Forensic pathologist doctor Michael Baton, testifying for the prosecution, discount 392 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,920 of the defense theory that she could have suffered from 393 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,559 all these injuries falling out of the boat. These were 394 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:02,640 not scrapes, he tested divide, they were blunt force injuries. 395 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,480 He said. The more likely scenario was the blow that 396 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:09,359 caused Darima Tuma knocked her unconscious, making it possible for 397 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,039 her killer to asphyxiate her. Beadon pointed to a photograph 398 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:18,000 which he suggested she was strangled with a scarf. The 399 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:21,799 scarf was found four inches into her mouth, according to 400 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,720 the autopsy report. A scarf doesn't go into her mouth 401 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,559 by itself, He said, my opinion is that Maryvelle died 402 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,880 of asphyxia because she couldn't breathe. On the afternoon of 403 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,720 August twenty sixteen, Jars examined a Net's close and her 404 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,519 birth control, which had been hidden inside Felix Vale's attic 405 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,720 for three decades. His niece, Vicki Lyons, told jurors that 406 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:51,119 he internet joined them in attending the Calcam Fair on 407 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:54,839 October of nineteen eighty four, before the couple left and 408 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,440 Veil returned alone. Her testimony contradicted his alibi to Tulsa 409 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,079 police that he hadn't seen a Net since he dropped 410 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:05,279 her off at a bus station in Saint Louis on 411 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,359 September sixteenth of nineteen eighty four. In closing arguments, Holland 412 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,359 made his case that Veil was guilty of the murder 413 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,400 of his wife Mary. Despite receiving thousands from an insurance policy, 414 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,119 he didn't pay for his funeral. What kind of man 415 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,720 doesn't pay the funeral bill for his wife, Holland asked. 416 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,519 The prosecutor also talked about the disappearances of Sharon Hensley 417 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,839 and in that craver Veil. How unlucky is this guy? 418 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,480 He asked? His first wife dies, his second wife slash 419 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,880 girlfriend disappears off the planet, his third wife disappears from 420 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,480 the planet. He is either the most unlucky person born 421 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,279 on the planet, or he's a killer who learned from 422 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:51,880 his mistakes. In his closing argument, the defense attorneys were 423 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240 kind of the words of Bruce Binback, who testified Val 424 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,799 told him that he killed his wife, that it was 425 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,839 ruled in an accident, and then he tried to use 426 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,039 an but it didn't work out that well. The defense 427 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,640 attorney suggested Val accidentally hit his wife on the head 428 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,720 with the oar, or perhaps she hit her head falling 429 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,720 out of the boat. If either one happened, he didn't 430 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:15,400 mean to kill her. He didn't want her hurt. You 431 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:19,200 must say not guilty. And man, that seems like a 432 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,559 weak defense, right, Hugo Holland told Jersey Veil was indeed guilty. 433 00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,519 He pointed his finger at Veil, who jabbed his finger 434 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,119 back at the prosecutor. Holland called on jurors to convict 435 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,039 for the sake of Mary Horton, Veil, Sharon Hensley and 436 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,799 in that craver Veil, you need to put him in prison. 437 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,880 Don't take long, he gestured towards the women's family sitting 438 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,480 in the front row of the courtroom. Don't make these 439 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:48,079 people wait any longer. After Judge Wyatt finished giving his 440 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,799 final instructions, jurors began to deliberate. Outside of the courtroom, 441 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,799 I spoke with Will Horton and Mary Rose. Brian Hensley 442 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,599 had flown home to Bismarck. Rose asked me how long 443 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,640 it could take hours? I replied, In each cold case 444 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,079 I had covered, jury deliberations had lasted several hours and 445 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,720 sometimes much more. Don't expect anything in the first hour, 446 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,519 I advised. Not long after we talked, where came out. 447 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,759 The jury had a verdict. A verdict. It wasn't even 448 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,920 a half hour, I thought. I followed her inside the 449 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,559 court room, where she sat beside Will Horton. They held 450 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,519 hands waiting for the verdict, and when they heard that 451 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,640 Felix Veil had been found guilty of murder, they embrace 452 00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:36,480 Their journey for justice was over. Prosecutor Hugo Holland's voice 453 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,079 broke with emotion as he spoke about the case that 454 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:42,960 had consumed him. I'd like to think the verdict today 455 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,400 was not just for Mary, but for Sharon and Annette 456 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,799 as well. He talked about the possibility of the victims 457 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,960 beyond these three, and shared something else that jurors didn't 458 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,519 hear about Vail. He's not just a murderer, He's a 459 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,200 child molester. He and the FBI had confirmed Vail and 460 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,279 molested a child in Oklahoma thirty years ago, but authorities 461 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,200 were unable to pursue the case because a statute of 462 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,960 limitations had expired. Annette's mother, Rose, called the guilty verdict 463 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,359 a prayer answered, a dream come true, that someday justice 464 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,920 would be done and that Felix Vale would be held 465 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,400 accountable for these three beautiful women's lives that he took. 466 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,559 Will Horton praised the DA's office, Rose, and private investigator 467 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,599 Jeane Frinzel. He spoke of his love for a sister 468 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,400 and his late nephew, Bill. Bill's widow, Janet, reminisced about 469 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,000 her late husband in nineteen seventy A little boy walked 470 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,440 a long distance until everyone his dad murdered his mom. 471 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,279 He felt like no one heard today he was heard. 472 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:51,079 On August twenty sixteen, Vale celebrated his seventy seventh birthday 473 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,599 inside his cell at Kyle Kashu Correctional Facility, where a 474 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,559 jailer brought him chicken smothered and gravy, butterbeans and rice, 475 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,759 corn bread and banana pudding. He had remained silent for 476 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,039 much of the trial, but when the judge spoke to 477 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,640 him after the guilty verdict, veil Bart, what do you want? 478 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,000 When the judge explained he was just trying to set 479 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,640 a date for sentencing, They'll asked what difference does it make? 480 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:20,039 His lawyer later told me that he didn't believe Frank 481 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:23,200 Salter Junior was corrupt, saying the only reason the Late 482 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,640 DA failed to prosecute the case in nineteen sixty two 483 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,799 was just because the evidence wasn't there. Back in the 484 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,079 Late Charles courtroom, thell lessened as the family of his 485 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,160 first wife, Mary spoke. Her nephew Alan Horton the Third 486 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,799 told Val that although your ruthless, unforgivable actions in nineteen 487 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,319 sixty two gave you satisfaction, in reality you were not successful. 488 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,039 Over the past four years, he said, many people had 489 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:54,680 shared their memories, enabling the family to see flickers of Mary. 490 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,079 He spoke of her smiling eyes, welcoming heart and radiant glow. 491 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,119 You're conveyed established my aunt's immortal presence in all of us, 492 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,559 he said. We are all at peace, Felix, a feeling 493 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,000 you will never have, and I look forward to the 494 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:14,400 day when I will meet my aunt Will. Horton stepped forward. Next, 495 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:19,720 he glared at Vale and spoke, your egocentric, cosmic philosophy 496 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:23,119 won't fool anyone anymore. You have been exposed as the 497 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,279 narcissist psychopath you are. His voice cracked as he spoke 498 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,119 about how much he loved his sister Mary and how 499 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,680 special she was to everyone aknew her, including her son, Bill, 500 00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,000 who was only three months old when Mary died. You 501 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,240 say you love Bill, he said, But by depriving him 502 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,480 of his mother, you devastated him too. Horton told Val, 503 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,400 there is no decency in you, so I don't expect 504 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,599 you to ever reveal the truth about sharing in a net. 505 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,799 You're not man enough to do that. You are a killer, 506 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,480 and you are headed to the place where killers go, 507 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:02,000 and God will direct you. After wearing an oyene jumpsuit 508 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,480 that were at inmate, Veil clutched a white piece of paper, 509 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,480 telling the judge that ninety five percent of the trial 510 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:12,839 testimony was fiction. He insisted his wife Mary died in 511 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,759 an accident. Rather than distance himself from the disappearances, he 512 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,279 declared he was the only expert regarding the truth of 513 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,839 these two missing women who chose to disappear themselves from 514 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,160 abuse of mothers, chose to disappear themselves. Really, when the 515 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,160 truth is finally revealed, they'll said. The national press is 516 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,759 gonna want to know why my original nine thousand word 517 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,680 expose on him had been treated as the King James 518 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,240 version of the gospel. He called me a professional negative 519 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,480 spin doctor, claiming I had plagiarized my story on him 520 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:50,880 from James Patterson crime novels. I laughed, guess I'm gonna 521 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,240 have to read at least one of them now. After that, 522 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:58,319 Judge Robert Wyatt reminded Veil that a jury had found 523 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,279 him guilty of murder, sentencing him to a life in prison. 524 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,400 The family has experienced the loss of life, the loss 525 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,720 of a mother, the loss of a sister. Val left 526 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,279 the courtroom and change and his defense attorney made plans 527 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,279 to appeal. After the hearing, Da John Derouzier approached me. 528 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,839 It had been more than four years since we had met. 529 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 He shook my hand. If you know any other guilty 530 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,799 sums of bitches, let me know, I will, I told him, 531 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,680 and Ray's finally got her chance to confront Vale. In 532 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000 a letter, she wrote Felix, I am relieved that justice 533 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,359 had finally been done and that you were being held 534 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,759 accountable for taking the lives of Mary, Sharon and a Net. 535 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,640 You've enjoyed over fifty years of undeserved freedom. Your behavior 536 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,440 has caused great suffering, and I know you will suffer 537 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,559 greatly for the rest of your life and into the next. 538 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:54,079 My prayer is that you will acknowledge your horrific actions, 539 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:58,640 seek forgiveness, and strive for the redemption of your eternal soul. 540 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,559 So there you have it, all the full story of 541 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:07,359 Felix Veil and get this. He is still alive. He 542 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,280 is eighty five years old as he sits in Bloody 543 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,519 and Goa. I want to thank everyone for listening. You 544 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,320 can get commercial free early releases by joining the Patreon. 545 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:26,800 We have other benefits as well, so check that out. 546 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,960 And until next time, I'm Jim Chapman for Bloodying Gola 547 00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,079 A podcast one and forty two years in the making, 548 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,599 the complete story of America's bloodiest prison Peace. 549 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 2: A Wall Street Line, Check, Gold Change, Oh, Gluesome gird. 550 00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,119 Speaker 1: It's calling by the name. 551 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,039 Speaker 2: There is no mercy and it's been a tentery juice 552 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,000 as the huge stream game Wrangle three. 553 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 4: I'm here, be by me, to die inside these walls, 554 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:41,320 inside the wild, and when more girls I know it 555 00:35:41,599 --> 00:36:08,239 soulboody angle, obody angle, and bad