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Speaker 3: All right, big for Society. You've got the privilege of
Speaker 3: talking to Logan Chessau today. He's an individual he's currently
Speaker 3: collaborating with mister Todd Standing on some different Bigfoot projects.
Speaker 3: We'll be definitely hearing about that tonight. But how are
Speaker 3: you doing today, Logan? I'm doing great, awesome. But I'm
Speaker 3: glad that you were able to come on the show
Speaker 3: and talk about your history with Sasquatch over the years,
Speaker 3: and I'd love to actually start with that. What was
Speaker 3: it that first got you involved in this wild community
Speaker 3: and being involved with such a high level individual such
Speaker 3: as time.
Speaker 4: It's not too complex of the story.
Speaker 5: I think I started off really getting into bigfoot listening
Speaker 5: to old school and radio coast to coasts.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people may have not started.
Speaker 5: That way, So I always really enjoyed listening to bigfoot stuff.
Speaker 5: Didn't really get too much into the documentaries or finding
Speaker 5: Bigfoot when I was a little bit younger, just because
Speaker 5: it didn't really seem to ever produce anything. So I
Speaker 5: always just loved listening to people's accounts of Bigfoot or
Speaker 5: researchers that are getting into the science.
Speaker 4: So this side passion of mine for probably the last
Speaker 4: ten years.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, after that, like I said, this is
Speaker 5: before I even started listening to podcasts. I think it
Speaker 5: was about twenty nineteen. I got late into the podcast
Speaker 5: world just I don't know why. I just always listened
Speaker 5: to the Coast when I had a second to do
Speaker 5: something and I heard so I'm standing on there he
Speaker 5: was talking to at the time, I think it was
Speaker 5: George Knapp, and he was given some detailed accounts and
Speaker 5: from an outsider's look, kind of fantastical stories and ended
Speaker 5: it with a call of the if you don't believe me,
Speaker 5: I'll take you out and show you the thing. And
Speaker 5: I've never really heard anyone give that, you know, call
Speaker 5: to action. And I was like, who is this guy?
Speaker 5: I don't understand what. I've never heard of him, I've
Speaker 5: never heard of his documentary. And I've got three kids.
Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 4: To watch a lot of TV.
Speaker 5: So I found a documentary watched it twice, and I
Speaker 5: was like, this is you know, if it's legitimate, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: I don't how come nobody's really talking about this? And
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people were it's just behind
Speaker 5: the ball a little bit, and a lot of people
Speaker 5: were dismissive and apprehensive and all the above. But I
Speaker 5: know after getting a note Todd, he's been around the
Speaker 5: Bigfoot world for a really.
Speaker 4: Long time, So just behind eight balls on my side.
Speaker 5: So I was like, if I'm going to go out
Speaker 5: and really get into this subject, I want to go
Speaker 5: out with someone that claims they had activity.
Speaker 4: I want someone.
Speaker 5: That's as much as an expert as they can be.
Speaker 5: Decided to reach out to him, and it took months
Speaker 5: to get like a follow up because he's a busy guy,
Speaker 5: And he finally got back to me and we chatted
Speaker 5: and the discovery of Bigfoot kind of started from there.
Speaker 3: Fascinating. I'm just curious being a Coast to coast fan
Speaker 3: and I don't get to talk to too many of those.
Speaker 3: Usually people will bring up something else, like in Search
Speaker 3: of or Monster Quest or something like that. But did
Speaker 3: you have a favorite episode from all those years of
Speaker 3: listening to the program?
Speaker 4: I just I don't know if I can think of
Speaker 4: a favorite.
Speaker 5: I feel like I heard the guy from those the
Speaker 5: other Bigfoot podcasts on their West. I feel like I
Speaker 5: heard him on Coast to Coast because his story when
Speaker 5: I later heard in the like in the five Years
Speaker 5: Down the Road, I felt.
Speaker 4: Like he came on Coast to Coast and told that.
Speaker 5: Story already, So that one kind of rings a bell
Speaker 5: off the top of my head. But I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just always enjoyed listening to it. There wasn't any anyone.
Speaker 4: That really stood out, but I always found it like.
Speaker 5: So fascinating how it could be this people in the
Speaker 5: woods that we haven't really truly discovered, at least in
Speaker 5: this day and age.
Speaker 3: We haven't absolutely, you know. I listened to a few episodes.
Speaker 3: My favorite Bigfoot episode on that show is definitely Bugs
Speaker 3: the Texas Hunter and Robert W. Morgan and he had
Speaker 3: the buried bodies down there, and allegedly Art had the
Speaker 3: map how to find them, but he lost the map
Speaker 3: in a move of his studio or home. So it's
Speaker 3: a wild interview. But listeners haven't found that before. You
Speaker 3: can find it on YouTube, I think. But so you
Speaker 3: get introduced to Todd through Coast to Coast, which is
Speaker 3: really cool, and then you say, hey, let's go for it.
Speaker 3: Takes a few months and then you get up there
Speaker 3: in Todd's area.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So our first time out kind of expraditialized was
Speaker 5: taught with Todd was September of twenty twenty one, so
Speaker 5: I was out there for seven days with him with
Speaker 5: another there's me Todd in another Canadian from them called
Speaker 5: Red Deer, And yeah, that was my first I talked
Speaker 5: to Todd on the phone because he likes to vet
Speaker 5: people because he wants people that are really into the
Speaker 5: subject and not just the wrong tap of people that
Speaker 5: are there not.
Speaker 4: To have an experience. I'll just put it that way.
Speaker 5: So he looks for the right mentality in the sense
Speaker 5: and kind of weeds out some of the people that
Speaker 5: aren't really real or because there is an expense to it,
Speaker 5: and that's where he makes some of his living is
Speaker 5: taking people out and trying to show him you can
Speaker 5: imagine week away from their family. It's not it's time,
Speaker 5: it's money and energy. So he wants the right type
Speaker 5: of person out there with him.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Back in September twenty one, I went.
Speaker 5: Out there and I had i'd say the first time
Speaker 5: three to four different experiences out there the very first
Speaker 5: go round, which were from my standpoint, I was amazed
Speaker 5: by it because I didn't really know what to expect.
Speaker 5: I'd gone through his footage and tried to do the
Speaker 5: human thing of debunking and trying to find as much
Speaker 5: stuff on Google that I could, and you know, all
Speaker 5: I could find.
Speaker 4: Really was a lot of.
Speaker 5: Conjecture and there wasn't a lot of real Okay, how
Speaker 5: did he actually.
Speaker 4: Get this footage? There was a lot of weird.
Speaker 5: Accusations of like robotics and these muppets, and I was
Speaker 5: more or less, you know, I don't really see that like,
Speaker 5: so I wanted to get to know thought as a person.
Speaker 4: And then I also learned.
Speaker 5: To see what evidence he had and go out into
Speaker 5: the woods with him and have, you know, be open
Speaker 5: minded and have an experience. And if anything, it's in
Speaker 5: the British Clubia Canada, So that was the beautiful area.
Speaker 4: You know. To me, getting down the woods is I
Speaker 4: like to get out all of the fresh air. I
Speaker 4: love the country.
Speaker 5: So even if it was going to produce nothing, I
Speaker 5: was going to be happy with it from my standpoint.
Speaker 5: But produce something, and it keeps producing things for me,
Speaker 5: I'd say it was a second day there.
Speaker 4: We didn't get there till.
Speaker 5: About nine o'clock at night and it was dark outside,
Speaker 5: and I didn't Again, I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 5: It's a good four hours out into the mountains.
Speaker 4: It's really is remote there.
Speaker 5: There's no there's no cellphone coverage, there's no power, there's
Speaker 5: no anything. It's basically in a mountain range, in the
Speaker 5: space in between radium and if you want to give
Speaker 5: it like a map view between radium hot springs and
Speaker 5: like damp and there's a river that goes down the
Speaker 5: middle there and if you get a pine nuff you
Speaker 5: can see both mountain ranges. So you know. That next
Speaker 5: day we were out and he was showing it basically
Speaker 5: started with footprints, Like I can't remember the exact timeframe,
Speaker 5: but these bigfoot had left where there's like this hill
Speaker 5: probably seventy five to one hundred yards away from his
Speaker 5: main base camp, and they had left He's yeah, I
Speaker 5: can't remember the exact link, but they were anywhere from
Speaker 5: probably sixteen inches eighteen inches.
Speaker 4: Long footprints that were going up the.
Speaker 5: Basically it's a bounce back moss going up this hill.
Speaker 5: So eventually those footprints went away, but they were pretty
Speaker 5: interesting to look at. From the first time or that
Speaker 5: had never been and actually seen a big foot footprint.
Speaker 4: That was pretty convincing. So they led him up this hill.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I can't remember the exact time frame,
Speaker 5: six months to a year and somewhere in there.
Speaker 4: So he had started.
Speaker 5: To put in his gifting apples up on this kind
Speaker 5: of this elevated hill and would climb this tree, put
Speaker 5: them about anywhere from twelve to fifteen feet there, anywhere
Speaker 5: from four apples to fifteen.
Speaker 4: Apples at a time.
Speaker 5: Right, So he was showing in Cesaria, and I got
Speaker 5: on his shoulders and talked about six foot three and
Speaker 5: he's a strong guy who he prides himself and trying
Speaker 5: to be fit. So I got on his shoulders and
Speaker 5: put all these apples up, and he was just showing
Speaker 5: the lay of the land, and he said, well, I
Speaker 5: usually will make a call when.
Speaker 4: I put the apple gifting out, and I have.
Speaker 5: He was going through his theories about these calls, and
Speaker 5: he was saying he didn't really think they're.
Speaker 4: Like wood knocks.
Speaker 5: He thought they were more of a rock knock because
Speaker 5: he just didn't see how you could produce such a
Speaker 5: large sound with wood on wood and some of his
Speaker 5: stuff has remained true, and some of his opinions have changed.
Speaker 5: It could be a rock knock from his opinion now,
Speaker 5: or it could be them making the sound of their
Speaker 5: mind like a large click with their tongue. Or I
Speaker 5: wouldn't really know how they did it. But that's a
Speaker 5: secondary stance that I think he takes now. But so
Speaker 5: he basically he asked Craig, the guy I was with,
Speaker 5: to pick up a rock and hit this gifting tree
Speaker 5: with it. And so he said, hit it as hard
Speaker 5: as you can. It's going to hurt your hand, it'll
Speaker 5: make a large sound, and we'll wait for a response. Right,
Speaker 5: So Craig picks up the rock about the side of
Speaker 5: his hand because it's the Rocky Mountain, so there's just
Speaker 5: some random rocks laying here and there, and he picked
Speaker 5: it up and hits it, and we're sitting there waiting
Speaker 5: for about thirty to forty seconds and we get this
Speaker 5: huge response back. And it's about eleven somewhere between eleven
Speaker 5: eleven thirty am in the morning mountain time. And we
Speaker 5: make a response and the response to get back is
Speaker 5: like four to five times louder. If I could have
Speaker 5: recorded it, I could have told you, it was just
Speaker 5: so booming, like I couldn't understand how something could make
Speaker 5: such a large sound, and I could tell directionally which
Speaker 5: way it came from. It was northwest of the main campsite,
Speaker 5: on the other side of his camping trailer, and it
Speaker 5: was just like, what, seriously, we're already getting interactions here.
Speaker 4: That was amazing with it, To be honest, posts.
Speaker 5: That we did go and try to, like whenever we
Speaker 5: hear sounds, and whenever he hears sounds, he tried to
Speaker 5: look for evidence of that sound. We waited a little
Speaker 5: bit because we wanted to give him space. So we
Speaker 5: did end up going and finding tracks that were going
Speaker 5: up the other side of this other ridge where that
Speaker 5: sound came from.
Speaker 4: And then there was a rock that was dislodged from
Speaker 4: this kind of ridge. I don't know that's what.
Speaker 5: Made it sound, but you could clearly see like a
Speaker 5: rock that was taken on the ground and placed about
Speaker 5: fifteen feet higher, and it looked you can tell learning
Speaker 5: out in the woods that what looks fresh and what doesn't.
Speaker 5: It looked fairly recent, so it was pretty impressive to
Speaker 5: find that.
Speaker 4: I think we did a.
Speaker 5: Video reenactment on his channels for it and this would
Speaker 5: have been like a.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that was like the first moment I was like,
Speaker 5: maybe maybe this is all legitimate. I didn't really know
Speaker 5: Todd that well, but he was. All the stuff you
Speaker 5: had shown me was really impressing me. And if you
Speaker 5: just have to go out there that there's not people
Speaker 5: running out in the woods making sounds there, it's just
Speaker 5: so remote and it's not feasible. It's like one hundred
Speaker 5: percent not feasible for him to have anyone out there.
Speaker 5: So that's what started it going there. But it was
Speaker 5: pretty memorable having that first experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is quite a way to start out, and
Speaker 3: from what I've heard it is it's pretty hard to
Speaker 3: get to that area, Like it takes a pretty extended
Speaker 3: period of time to get just to the research area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it takes about somewhere.
Speaker 5: It'sween three and a half four hours from what you
Speaker 5: fly into, which is Calgary, Alberta. So it's still a
Speaker 5: distance to travel there and actually get there, and it's
Speaker 5: pretty much way that country.
Speaker 3: There's nobody there, gotcha probably going out on the equivalent
Speaker 3: of forest service roads at the end stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's an old for service road there's some old
Speaker 5: forestry trails that we take back there that haven't been
Speaker 5: really logged in probably eighty years, so you can still
Speaker 5: see some of the trails they made, but you can
Speaker 5: tell that they haven't been there for seventy five eighty years.
Speaker 5: They're real old, and it's right on the cut line
Speaker 5: of a national forest out there, so you can tell
Speaker 5: where the old growth force starts in the new growth
Speaker 5: where they cut eighty years ago starts, because it just
Speaker 5: looks completely different when you pass that imaginary line.
Speaker 3: You mentioned gifting that apples, and those have been seen
Speaker 3: in the documentary as well. Has he ever used anything
Speaker 3: belt besides apples in a gifting situation.
Speaker 5: I think he's tried other types of fruit, and I
Speaker 5: think one of the extraditioners actually brought like a watermelon
Speaker 5: out there at one point like that, I just put
Speaker 5: it out there on a stump. The problem with it
Speaker 5: is that's a very country, So anything you put out
Speaker 5: there that can go bad or has a potential for
Speaker 5: a bear to get it or search it out big.
Speaker 3: For society who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: It's kind of it's a little dangerous, a little irresponsible.
Speaker 5: So he really likes apples just because they stayed good
Speaker 5: for a long time out there, and he hasn't really
Speaker 5: had a lot of success in talking with him with
Speaker 5: other types of fruit. I think put out power bars
Speaker 5: with survigger Man. I think that was moregra Man's doing
Speaker 5: than his. But I think his gift to choice is
Speaker 5: apple's just because of the how long they say them.
Speaker 5: It's easy to go out and replace them. If a
Speaker 5: burder squirrel gets to them, just pull them down sticking
Speaker 5: them up.
Speaker 3: Sure you mentioned that there are also bears in the area.
Speaker 3: What other predators do you guys have to be aware
Speaker 3: of while you're out in this remote area in addition
Speaker 3: potentially to Bigfoot, it's.
Speaker 5: Brown bears, black bears, mountain lions, wolves, those are the
Speaker 5: main ones.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 5: It's the bears and the mountain lions that are the
Speaker 5: ones that we're more wary of, as most of the
Speaker 5: bears out there very much while like they don't see
Speaker 5: a lot of humans, those are the ones that are
Speaker 5: We try to stay away.
Speaker 4: And make not a lot of scent.
Speaker 5: And the way he cooks meals is very smart as
Speaker 5: far as everything is cre made and you burned it
Speaker 5: all on the fire.
Speaker 4: He's very cognizant of.
Speaker 5: Being safe and having people safe out there, because he's
Speaker 5: been through a couple of different bears that have come
Speaker 5: up on him and tad to take care of himself,
Speaker 5: so he he's very cognizant of that. And there are
Speaker 5: just map mions out there. The wolves are a little
Speaker 5: less dangerous just because most wolves won't they're not really
Speaker 5: interested in humans unless you try to feed them, and
Speaker 5: though that's not a good idea because then they will
Speaker 5: kill you. So he's a bit of a wilderness expert tracker.
Speaker 5: He's been out there and done it all for the
Speaker 5: last twenty years and he's really integrated into a bunch
Speaker 5: of different Indian tribes that he's worked with, and like
Speaker 5: his mentor was an Indian elder that taught him a
Speaker 5: whole lot of stuff about a whole lot of different things.
Speaker 5: So he takes a lot of that knowledge base and
Speaker 5: tries to teach some of it. And he's real into
Speaker 5: ecology and the plants and the things that grow there
Speaker 5: and what the bears would eat and where they'd go,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's all about basically just how the
Speaker 5: animals move out there the seasons, and he uses that
Speaker 5: in the aspect of the sense of bigfoot as well,
Speaker 5: what they would eat, what they would track, what they
Speaker 5: would consume, like, what kind of prey they would do.
Speaker 4: As far as honestly not being from.
Speaker 5: The area, it's really informative and good to learn about
Speaker 5: a bunch of that stuff, just because you don't really
Speaker 5: think through that all when you're arn't chair quarterback and bigfoot, right,
Speaker 5: So he cuts a lot of effort into it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's a question that just came to mind. You
Speaker 3: have those shots in Todd's documentary that everyone thinks about,
Speaker 3: the shots where you see the face of the Sasquatch
Speaker 3: a few times, right, And I myself have had an
Speaker 3: interview where gentlemen from Oregon, from the Lamit National Forest
Speaker 3: area actually he described what he saw as being a
Speaker 3: face that looked very similar to one of those faces
Speaker 3: that Todd had in his documentary. Is that Do you
Speaker 3: guys ever get contacts as well from people that have
Speaker 3: watched your documentary saying I've also seen something that looks
Speaker 3: similar to that or is it kind of few and
Speaker 3: far between.
Speaker 5: I'm just now getting people reach out to me just
Speaker 5: because I'm getting more involved.
Speaker 4: But Todd definitely.
Speaker 5: Has had people reach out to him and say they've
Speaker 5: actually seen some of those bigfoot, or they've seen similar
Speaker 5: ones that look very similar as far as facial features.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of people that reached out to him.
Speaker 5: I've actually seen some of the big foot that he's
Speaker 5: had in this documentary and like gave descriptions that unless
Speaker 5: you have seen this bigfoot, that you wouldn't know otherwise.
Speaker 5: Or he's gone into some details about scarring and some
Speaker 5: other scars that some of these bigfoot have on them.
Speaker 5: And when people call him and say, hey, I think
Speaker 5: I saw.
Speaker 4: Your big foot, did it have this on its body?
Speaker 5: And that's post validation for him that they probably did
Speaker 5: see the same one that he did. So he has
Speaker 5: stories like that, and I have no reason not to
Speaker 5: believe him because to me, time hasn't been nothing but authentic.
Speaker 5: And I've spent about, I think un total, about thirty
Speaker 5: five days out with him in the woods, so I've
Speaker 5: gotten to know him and his family and how he operates,
Speaker 5: and how his belief system and in his integrity and honestly, and.
Speaker 4: I would recommend anyone go out with him just so
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 5: Prove it to yourself that he didn't hoax that footage,
Speaker 5: because from my perspective, there is absolutely no way he could.
Speaker 5: He just doesn't have the skill sets, he doesn't have
Speaker 5: the will, and he's too and he really does have a.
Speaker 4: Lot of integrity when it comes to this. There's just
Speaker 4: no way he can he could have faked any of
Speaker 4: that footage.
Speaker 5: When you really start digging finding out his life and
Speaker 5: what his background is.
Speaker 4: And how much effort it would be to.
Speaker 5: Hook something like that, it's just not his willhouse to do.
Speaker 4: And that's just my opinion my own investigation. I'm not
Speaker 4: trying to persuade people.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to tell people to do their own research
Speaker 5: and try to look into it on their own, because
Speaker 5: that was really what I was trying to do.
Speaker 4: And that's the conclusion I've come to absolutely.
Speaker 3: And since we are on the topic, there is a
Speaker 3: just an interesting question I have, Why do you think
Speaker 3: that I've been in this topic for about five years,
Speaker 3: why is the topic of Todd and his work such
Speaker 3: a polarizing It's so polarizing to this community. It feels
Speaker 3: like if you're pro Tod or anti Todd, it just
Speaker 3: it feels like it's almost like a Civil war type thing.
Speaker 5: From my perspective on what I know of some of
Speaker 5: the I don't know what you want to call them,
Speaker 5: top Peak and the BFRO.
Speaker 4: I think some of it is a bit of jealousy,
Speaker 4: to be fair. I think there's.
Speaker 5: It's like a competition to them, and they want to
Speaker 5: be the best, and they want to have all the
Speaker 5: data and they want to say that they're checking all
Speaker 5: the boxes off. I think a lot of the people
Speaker 5: are really they're just there for a bit of the fame, right,
Speaker 5: And I think there's a lot of good people out
Speaker 5: there too that really want the discovery to happen. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, they don't want Todd to be
Speaker 5: the one that did the discovery, just because he could
Speaker 5: be a big personality and he's real straightforward with his
Speaker 5: findings and like what he's seen, and honestly, he's like,
Speaker 5: my hat's off to him because what he did to
Speaker 5: get a lot of that footage, like probably ninety nine
Speaker 5: percent of the people in the world would never do.
Speaker 5: They'd never go out into the wildness by themselves for
Speaker 5: weeks at a time and just have that level of
Speaker 5: fear and them.
Speaker 4: I think that's why some of it is. It's so
Speaker 4: convincing to me.
Speaker 5: And then a lot of these a lot of these researchers,
Speaker 5: they want to go out on a Saturday and sit
Speaker 5: around the campfire and have a beer and want they
Speaker 5: want their foot to come to them, but that doesn't
Speaker 5: always work.
Speaker 4: So that's that's just a small perspective.
Speaker 5: I think there's lots of other reasons, but other than
Speaker 5: the fact that they just don't really want to dig
Speaker 5: into the evidence fully. They want to make snap judgments
Speaker 5: and say that doesn't look real to me, but they
Speaker 5: don't want to try to prove how it's not real
Speaker 5: or how can you recreate it. I've never seen anyone
Speaker 5: recreate any of his footage in any form or fashion, really, like,
Speaker 5: no one's done it. If it's so fake, you really
Speaker 5: start thinking about stuff and it doesn't add up. And
Speaker 5: I think vindication usually comes later in life with Bob Geddland.
Speaker 5: I think most people, I'd say seventy five percent of
Speaker 5: the people probably now believe that his footage is real,
Speaker 5: and thirty years ago was probably fifteen twenty percent, right,
Speaker 5: So I think it just takes time.
Speaker 3: That is very interesting myself personally, I've talked to people
Speaker 3: on both sides there are interesting arguments on either side.
Speaker 3: I've never talked to Todd directly or at all, so
Speaker 3: until maybe I get that chance, I will be neutral
Speaker 3: on it, as I'd like to talk to people directly.
Speaker 3: You also have other times that you've had interactions. Were
Speaker 3: there times when you were up in that area where
Speaker 3: you believe you got maybe a little bit closer to
Speaker 3: a bigfoot or things got maybe more a bit intense
Speaker 3: in the interactions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I'm didn't think of three, because I've
Speaker 4: been out there with them. I call it four and
Speaker 4: a half.
Speaker 5: Times because just one of those times I was really
Speaker 5: out there just to put equipment up and do some
Speaker 5: architectural work, but just the touch on it somewhat lightly
Speaker 5: like that first expedition we did. Like one of the
Speaker 5: experiences I had. As we did, we went up this
Speaker 5: north logging trail about a mile in the dark, and again,
Speaker 5: these are things that most people don't do, and the
Speaker 5: guy that we were with was a bit of adrenaline junkie,
Speaker 5: so he was like, Man, let's go in the woods
Speaker 5: at night, and let's wear some headlamps and let's ride
Speaker 5: these We had these e bikes and we rode these
Speaker 5: e bikes about a mile up this road in almost
Speaker 5: ten thirty at night, mountain time, and the wildlife they
Speaker 5: are not used to silent bikes, and it's a little
Speaker 5: worrisome that we're going to roll up on something and
Speaker 5: I know what we are, but we ended up stopping
Speaker 5: at this kind of this opening I would call it
Speaker 5: where there's a tree line and that opens up.
Speaker 4: And you can see the mountains and you can see
Speaker 4: another ridge. It's ridge line.
Speaker 5: And Todd did a call from the left side and
Speaker 5: to the right side and we stood waited it for
Speaker 5: about sixty seconds to see if we get a response,
Speaker 5: back and response, but we got back. Was it sounded
Speaker 5: some giant being like pushing this tree over and throwing it.
Speaker 5: It was so loud, and it sounded half.
Speaker 4: A mile away.
Speaker 5: And I just remember that moment and thought to myself,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, there's nobody out here. Why would and
Speaker 5: there's no wind, there's no anything. Why would anyone in
Speaker 5: the right mind think that sound came from a human
Speaker 5: in the middle of these mountain woods. Because it was
Speaker 5: just crazy to me. And it was further vindication on
Speaker 5: that first one. But we we it's fortuitous, but we
Speaker 5: think we found that tree that this bigfoot went up,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if it was one or two,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't even a dead tree. It's probably a
Speaker 5: hall somewhere between forty and fifty foot tree that and
Speaker 5: you can see footprints going up this hillside and something
Speaker 5: going up and ripping this tree about twelve to fifteen
Speaker 5: feet from the top and throwing it through another one.
Speaker 5: And you can see the evidence all over the ground,
Speaker 5: and you could tell that this tree actually flew through
Speaker 5: another tree. There's limbs of hanging everywhere, and then you
Speaker 5: could see it on the ground.
Speaker 4: And so there was just.
Speaker 5: All this really i'd call it circumstantial damning evidence that
Speaker 5: kind of pointed us to That was the response we
Speaker 5: got back of.
Speaker 4: Hey, you're going to make sounds. We're going to make
Speaker 4: bigger sounds.
Speaker 5: So that was Honestly, I know, I can't prove that,
Speaker 5: but the evidence was all there.
Speaker 4: To me, I can. I'm ninety eight percent sure that's
Speaker 4: what it was.
Speaker 5: There's always a room for something else, but I'm ninety
Speaker 5: eight percent sure that's what happened, right, So that was
Speaker 5: the bigger thing that happened. But later on, in another expedition,
Speaker 5: I had a few instances to where I'd say the
Speaker 5: major other two was one we me and two other
Speaker 5: expeditioners were following a sound that was going towards more
Speaker 5: of the old growth forest, and I kept making sounds,
Speaker 5: quick sounds with my tongue because I can't really whistle.
Speaker 4: I don't really.
Speaker 5: Pride myself and whistling, and I can never been able
Speaker 5: to do it well. So I just pok my tongue
Speaker 5: a lot, right, because that, to me, that's my form
Speaker 5: of communication. And I just kept getting these responses back
Speaker 5: from It sounded like a tree just knocking. Like I'd
Speaker 5: do it twice, it would do it twice. I'd do
Speaker 5: it three times. It would do it three times. And
Speaker 5: the guys that I was with, they were two brothers,
Speaker 5: and they would whistle and then they'd get like a
Speaker 5: single response back. And we followed this sound all the
Speaker 5: way to this I call it like a Grandpa tree
Speaker 5: out in this old growth forest.
Speaker 4: It's probably two.
Speaker 5: To three feet in diameter and one hundred feet tall.
Speaker 5: The branches didn't really start until about sixty seventy feet up,
Speaker 5: so it's just this humongous tree and there was nothing
Speaker 5: rubbing against it, and actually got I made a kind
Speaker 5: of a custom bodycam for the sex condition because I
Speaker 5: wanted to get more footage, and actually did get a
Speaker 5: lot of this back and forth sound on my bodycam,
Speaker 5: but the body cam was really meant for visual more
Speaker 5: than audio, so you can't really you can hear it,
Speaker 5: but it's not as good as it is in real life.
Speaker 5: But we followed this tree and it just kept knocking
Speaker 5: at us. And I'm sitting below this tree with these
Speaker 5: other guys and it's got to be some kind of
Speaker 5: weird not in this tree somewhere at the hall, and
Speaker 5: it's like expanding and making this weird sound, and we're
Speaker 5: debating it and trying to go through justification.
Speaker 4: And while we're.
Speaker 5: Blow this tree, it just would we would be talking,
Speaker 5: it would just go boom and knocked at us right, and.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I don't understand this.
Speaker 5: I've never heard a tree knock at me before. And
Speaker 5: there was we started the area while we're hearing this,
Speaker 5: and there some juvenile tracks around the area. There was
Speaker 5: one big fifteen inch track that was pretty close to
Speaker 5: that tree.
Speaker 4: And it was four o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 3: Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: It was about eighty somewhere between probably.
Speaker 5: Eighty to eighty five degrees because it was in July
Speaker 5: and we're just sitting there.
Speaker 4: What do we do? Because Todd had actually left to
Speaker 4: go get gas because he'd used to get gas so
Speaker 4: we could go.
Speaker 5: Up to this northern section about thirty miles north, and
Speaker 5: he didn't get gas in the way up there because
Speaker 5: there was a hale kind of storm and it disoriented.
Speaker 4: Us a little bit. It actually left just to go get.
Speaker 5: Gas in the closest gas station there is about sixty miles.
Speaker 5: So we were exploring our own and he wasn't there,
Speaker 5: and we're like, man, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 5: what to do with this.
Speaker 4: He said, under this tree.
Speaker 5: I was to the point where I was like, I
Speaker 5: wish I could climb this tree, but there's just no way.
Speaker 5: So we ended up leaving, and as we're leaving, but
Speaker 5: knocked a final knock at us and we didn't hear
Speaker 5: it again, and we said, okay, we'll look up. Maybe
Speaker 5: that's some weird animal. Maybe that's the weird tree temperature.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's like the other guy said his name was Dan.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was the tree expanding and making the weird sound.
Speaker 4: I really don't know. So with Todd, it ends up
Speaker 4: we getting back and I found another track on the
Speaker 4: way out in a kind.
Speaker 5: Of a different area, and I was telling him about
Speaker 5: this experience scenes what do you guys, do you think
Speaker 5: trees knock at you? And he was going through the
Speaker 5: motions with us, There's no way, I've never I've been
Speaker 5: in the woods for twenty thirty years and the tree
Speaker 5: has never knocked at me continuously and made sounds at me.
Speaker 5: And his standpoint like we treed or he said we
Speaker 5: treated ay probably had more of a younger sasquatch, or
Speaker 5: he was there just messing with us. He didn't really
Speaker 5: treat it like he was just sitting up there messing
Speaker 5: with us. And the other guys are with They were
Speaker 5: trying to do there because we had eventually we got
Speaker 5: starlink out there, so they were trying to get back
Speaker 5: to in reach of this internet service that we have
Speaker 5: out there and do some research and see if they
Speaker 5: could find that reason for it. And they couldn't find
Speaker 5: a reason. They trust me, they did plenty of searches
Speaker 5: trying to figure it out, and we just came to
Speaker 5: the conclusion that there were something up that tree that
Speaker 5: we just couldn't see, and it was knocking at us
Speaker 5: and just messing with us.
Speaker 4: Hindsight's twenty twenty. I wish I would have stayed under
Speaker 4: there and done more with it.
Speaker 5: But when you think back at it, it's pretty amazing,
Speaker 5: Like I do have evidence of it, and I do
Speaker 5: have the footprint pictures, and I do have the sound
Speaker 5: pictures from it.
Speaker 4: So that was a big ordeal.
Speaker 5: And then the next thing, really i'd say, it's one
Speaker 5: of those things that you can't really get out of
Speaker 5: your head, and that kind of changes changes you a
Speaker 5: bit going through it.
Speaker 4: So this was in the same expedition.
Speaker 5: I think it was July twenty twenty three, so I
Speaker 5: the whole time I was out there, I just wanted
Speaker 5: to get off by myself and spend a night in
Speaker 5: the woods on my own to see if I could
Speaker 5: have some decent better interaction. Maybe being more secluded would
Speaker 5: draw up some more just be more open to me.
Speaker 5: And every time I tried to get out and do that,
Speaker 5: like it was like rain that night, or I'd have
Speaker 5: some reason not to do it.
Speaker 4: So it's annoying me.
Speaker 5: So it's like, okay, Fie I'm just gonna seep outside
Speaker 5: pretty close to the.
Speaker 4: Campfire and just be out there alone. So that's what
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you what day of the week it is,
Speaker 5: off top of my head, but I stayed out there.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a rainy night. It was a starry night.
Speaker 5: Decent weather. It it gets out there at night, but
Speaker 5: it wasn't horrible. It's probably in the fifties in the
Speaker 5: middle of the summer. So I ended up staying out there.
Speaker 5: And it was probably one point thirty and the guy
Speaker 5: was whistling dan. He wanted to just keep me companies
Speaker 5: for as long as he for as long as he could,
Speaker 5: and he liked.
Speaker 4: The little wood and he ended.
Speaker 5: Up falling asleep in the chair, just the camping chair,
Speaker 5: about five feet from me.
Speaker 4: And I wasn't sleeping by the.
Speaker 5: Fire, and I was standing out of it all night,
Speaker 5: and I noticed that he was there still, and I
Speaker 5: looked at my phone and it was probably about three
Speaker 5: forty five, and I was like, he didn't even realize,
Speaker 5: is he he fell asleep out here? That was one
Speaker 5: I didn't want to bother him, so I just let
Speaker 5: him be. And then about four point thirty he gets up.
Speaker 5: I see him get up. He throws a log on
Speaker 5: the fire, he says good night and goes inside.
Speaker 4: Later on, he tells me.
Speaker 5: That the reason he got up, and this wasn't evident
Speaker 5: to me at the time, was he was hearing sounds
Speaker 5: behind him and it was freaking him out right. So
Speaker 5: I was like, thanks for telling me.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting there by the fires for thirty and
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Try to get some sleep. And it's really hard to
Speaker 4: sleep out there.
Speaker 5: It's pitch black and you really only see the light
Speaker 5: of the fire. Everything around you is pitch black within
Speaker 5: ten feet of the fire, and there's no sound out there.
Speaker 5: It's so eerie. There's no bug sounds, no sounds at all.
Speaker 5: It's just dead quiet. And so I don't know what
Speaker 5: time the sun comes up because I'm not used to
Speaker 5: mountain time. I used the Central time as I'm from Texas.
Speaker 5: And I'm sitting there and i don't know what time
Speaker 5: it is. But I crack my eyes open and I
Speaker 5: can see some blue haze and I can tell it's
Speaker 5: about to be dawn. And I later on figure out
Speaker 5: that the sun comes out pretty early in the Mountain
Speaker 5: time in July. There, it's about five fifteen. It comes
Speaker 5: up in the morning, so I didn't know that at
Speaker 5: a time I was giving you a point of reference.
Speaker 5: But I'm sitting there and it's getting blue, and I'm
Speaker 5: around the fire. It it's like this picture of being
Speaker 5: like a doughnut around it where it's a hill on
Speaker 5: one side a little bit where I'm sleeping towards with
Speaker 5: my back to this little hill almost like a ditch,
Speaker 5: and I'm laying on my right side looking at the fire,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, Okay, the.
Speaker 4: Sun's coming up. Probably nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 5: I can at least sleep for two or three hours
Speaker 5: and get some wraps. And as I'm saying that in
Speaker 5: my head and I'm rolling over, I just put my
Speaker 5: hands on my chest and roll over to my left
Speaker 5: where I'm at an angle on this doughnut.
Speaker 4: Hill how I describe it.
Speaker 5: And all I hear is two footfalls jump backwards.
Speaker 4: From my perspective.
Speaker 5: It was two feet two three feet from my head
Speaker 5: and it jumped backwards because I scared it because I
Speaker 5: didn't know it was going to move, And just say,
Speaker 5: just here, two feet land on the ground beside me,
Speaker 5: and I'm in my head. My heart's beating super fast,
Speaker 5: and I'm at a total disadvantage.
Speaker 4: And I can't really turn that.
Speaker 5: Direction without super obvious because I'm planted, and I'm trying
Speaker 5: to work up the courage to open my left eye
Speaker 5: because my right eyes are cocked open. But I unless
Speaker 5: you're in that moment, you don't really know what you're
Speaker 5: going to do because something's walking beside you and it's
Speaker 5: not supposed to be there, and you don't really know
Speaker 5: because you've never seen it or heard it before, like
Speaker 5: how they're going to react or if they see you
Speaker 5: noticing that you're awake, like what are they going to do?
Speaker 5: So I'm running through those scenarios in my head, and
Speaker 5: so I finally I get my heart rate to go
Speaker 5: down a little bit, and I'm like, day, I'm just
Speaker 5: going to make sure that's what I heard. Probably about
Speaker 5: a minute to a half, I get my heart rate
Speaker 5: down and I'm like, I'm just gonna listen, close my
Speaker 5: eyes and act like I'm asleep, and I just I
Speaker 5: slowly hear, in my opinion, this bigfoot walking like right foot,
Speaker 5: left foot around my head, and I'm just like, oh man,
Speaker 5: it is here. I'm not dreaming, and I'm trying to
Speaker 5: get the because this is what I'm there for, to
Speaker 5: see this, to look in that direction. But at the
Speaker 5: same time, it's just so daunting because you're, like I said,
Speaker 5: You're just said, you're on your back.
Speaker 4: I don't have a weapon. Really, I'm going to disadvantage
Speaker 4: if I look.
Speaker 5: If I turn quickly and look and it's this thing
Speaker 5: looking at me, is they gonna get mad?
Speaker 4: Is it gonna kick me?
Speaker 5: Like I'm just trying to run through the scenarios the
Speaker 5: whole time and trying to slow my heart rate.
Speaker 4: And I finally get the courage. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Roll towards the fire and then do a quick look
Speaker 5: over my shoulder, and I like, I'm still sleep, so
Speaker 5: it's not it can have some like indication that I'm awake.
Speaker 5: So that's why I did. I rolled and look over
Speaker 5: my shoulder, and of course there's nothing there, Like it's
Speaker 5: completely gone. I have no idea where it went. Like
Speaker 5: it came in like a ninja, and the only reason
Speaker 5: I heard it was because I didn't know it was
Speaker 5: going to turn.
Speaker 4: And it left like a ninja. And it didn't leave.
Speaker 5: Anything in the substrate around me whatsoever. But I can
Speaker 5: still hear those footsteps.
Speaker 4: Walking around me.
Speaker 5: And I know for one fact that there was no
Speaker 5: one else out there but me and in my opinion,
Speaker 5: this bigfoot, because everyone else was in the trailer, and
Speaker 5: I could hear them snoring, because they all.
Speaker 4: Snore like a symphony in there. So that was the start.
Speaker 5: Of why I started to put my project together, because
Speaker 5: if we actually did have cameras in base camp, and
Speaker 5: we did have more technology out there, I think we
Speaker 5: would have definitely caught this big foot staring at me sleeping.
Speaker 3: That's an incredible experience to live through. You weren't in
Speaker 3: the tent. You were out in the open, correct, correct.
Speaker 4: I just had a sleeping bag on a pillow below me.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 3: Oh man, wow, I can't imagine living through that. And
Speaker 3: it's just it's one of those weird things where no
Speaker 3: footprints as well, but a stranger things have happened that
Speaker 3: I've had told to me and that I've read in
Speaker 3: different resources as well. After you lived through that, did
Speaker 3: that set you like you were full steam ahead or
Speaker 3: were you a little bit more apprehensive of everything going on?
Speaker 3: Having lived through that?
Speaker 5: It just drove me further, like into the subject, because
Speaker 5: you know, I still hadn't seen one, and I still
Speaker 5: want to. Even though that one was a very I
Speaker 5: think I got what I needed in that one, and
Speaker 5: I still really want to see that that live bigfoot,
Speaker 5: have that have the sasquatch come up on me and
Speaker 5: have more of a visual. So it just kept drove
Speaker 5: me forward, and Todd started talking to me about maybe
Speaker 5: we should put cameras in base camp, like maybe they
Speaker 5: do come around here like all the time. I know
Speaker 5: there's a stigma around cameras and everything else, but from
Speaker 5: his perspective, he's been out there at that site for
Speaker 5: this point.
Speaker 4: It's probably been about fifteen years.
Speaker 5: So if they don't really trust them by now, then
Speaker 5: then they're never going to trust him. So he was like,
Speaker 5: let's just do it and see what kind of like
Speaker 5: activity we get. Let's see what we can draw up.
Speaker 5: Let's see if the stigma is correct or incorrect. Because
Speaker 5: you hear nothing about, oh, they don't like cameras. They
Speaker 5: don't like cameras, but most people don't have this habituation
Speaker 5: area that they're in either, And I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people put up cameras and these trailcan cameras trying
Speaker 5: to be deceptive and like really sneaky, and I think
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I can say that if I was.
Speaker 5: A big Foot and someone was trying to be sneaky
Speaker 5: and deceptive, yeah, I probably wouldn't care for it much either.
Speaker 5: But so that's my thought to put these cameras up
Speaker 5: with the intent of, Hey, we're trying to further the discovery,
Speaker 5: not be like super sneaky with it. Like the ones
Speaker 5: we put up are super obvious.
Speaker 4: They're like clearly visible. They're sitting there.
Speaker 5: They actually there's two different angles and if they really
Speaker 5: wanted to, I gave them away to not be on camera.
Speaker 4: Right, It's not this triangulation of cameras.
Speaker 5: It's two cameras, one going south, one kind of going north,
Speaker 5: and they could actually get behind them if they wanted to, right.
Speaker 5: So that was my thought is to go in that direction.
Speaker 5: Though kind of approached and said maybe we should, and
Speaker 5: I said, let me try to figure that out, because
Speaker 5: I'd like to put some contribution to this and try
Speaker 5: to do this. Like this was around November. I started
Speaker 5: putting the idea together, Hey, maybe we should really think
Speaker 5: this through and bring this to everyone that really wants
Speaker 5: to see his area and wants to get into the
Speaker 5: research and wants to possibly see a Bigfoot on camera, Like,
Speaker 5: how can I actually get this to be like something
Speaker 5: that's better than just just closed loop system that only
Speaker 5: me and Todd can see. I want to bring it
Speaker 5: to everyone, so everyone that's really into the subject can
Speaker 5: have the opportunity to go out into the woods and
Speaker 5: see this area and just discover Bigfoot for.
Speaker 4: Themselves in a sense. Right, So that was my thought.
Speaker 5: And I can get into more of this project that
Speaker 5: I've been working on since last November and all that
Speaker 5: if you want me to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love that, because it is an incredible project.
Speaker 3: You're really if you think about your the engineer that
Speaker 3: came up with the project, but also developer that put
Speaker 3: it all together.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, I'm like, I'd say ninety seven percent into it,
Speaker 5: and todds Okay, let's say ninety ninety five percent because
Speaker 5: I've been leaning on him a bit for some of
Speaker 5: the power. But I basically designed it all and built
Speaker 5: it all and developed the app and put the whole
Speaker 5: system together and put all the right equipment together.
Speaker 4: And it's been a level it's been a Journey of Love.
Speaker 4: How's that?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I think it would be good to start with,
Speaker 3: what's elevator pitch for this project that you have set up,
Speaker 3: because it's a pretty incredible project that you set up there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's i'd say elevator pitches. It's the end
Speaker 5: all game is I'd love for it to be like
Speaker 5: never ending twenty four by seven.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So, I've been having some problems with power systems to
Speaker 5: where it's been up and down, and I've had some.
Speaker 4: Forest fires, so some things are a little bit out
Speaker 4: of my control. But it's I basically have two really high.
Speaker 5: End their four K cameras, their night vision. There these
Speaker 5: huge tilt pan zoom cameras that are ones actually about
Speaker 5: fifteen feet up a tree, the other ones on the
Speaker 5: side of one of the campers out there. But it's
Speaker 5: the ability to watch that live seed and from two
Speaker 5: different feeds whenever you want to just log in and look,
Speaker 5: especially when have expeditions out there, there seems to be
Speaker 5: a lot more activity and like post expedition, and I
Speaker 5: really want to see what happened out there when the
Speaker 5: one's there, right, because you don't really know, I don't
Speaker 5: know what's going on we've never really recorded, and that's
Speaker 5: what I've been doing is building out everything that would
Speaker 5: need to be there to continuously record the entire environment
Speaker 5: off those two feeds, and then how to save those
Speaker 5: terabytes and data that get propagated every month, like how
Speaker 5: to retrieve it, how to analyze it.
Speaker 4: How to look at the data, how to look at
Speaker 4: the sound waves, how.
Speaker 5: To look at the basically the movement any amplitude over
Speaker 5: one thousand, That's where I'm starting.
Speaker 3: Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: So inside the app itself, you have the ability to
Speaker 5: watch and then if you actually think or think you
Speaker 5: see something or think you hear something, you can hit
Speaker 5: a button and basically say what time it is based on.
Speaker 4: The camera time and what do you see and submit
Speaker 4: it and it.
Speaker 5: Goes to a real time database and all that gets
Speaker 5: collected and reviewed and eventually it's all going to be
Speaker 5: very much.
Speaker 4: I call it just because I'm an engineer, like event
Speaker 4: driven architecture, to where everything is as close to real.
Speaker 5: Time as possible, to where let's say we're having activity
Speaker 5: out there, someone that has this app would basically get
Speaker 5: a notification saying, hey, someone just sell a big foot
Speaker 5: five minutes ago, or we're hearing noise, we're hearing how
Speaker 5: we tree break, you know, something to where people could
Speaker 5: actually look in live, and the more eyes on it
Speaker 5: the better from my standpoint, because I want people to
Speaker 5: collaborate all the video stuff that people report and all
Speaker 5: the stuff that I find. I'm trying to build this
Speaker 5: section inside the application to where I have been uploading
Speaker 5: videos to it, but eventually it'll just be an app
Speaker 5: and not outside. But I'm trying to do a little
Speaker 5: bit of marketing and just put it on Facebook and
Speaker 5: Instagram and a little bit of YouTube. But eventually it
Speaker 5: would all be this user based community that's doing reportings
Speaker 5: and sightings. And I really wanted to This is like
Speaker 5: the proof of concept. I'd really love for it to
Speaker 5: grow and to build this system and other locations and
Speaker 5: work with other researchers and have this camera I'd call
Speaker 5: it data analysis points, and different areas and different locations
Speaker 5: in North America wherever we can collaborate with people and
Speaker 5: build this network out to where you could watch I
Speaker 5: don't know, from anywhere from ten to thirty different feeds
Speaker 5: at once, and so I'm that's my thought and that's
Speaker 5: where I'm starting with these two, and I'm building the
Speaker 5: architecture on the back end to where it's not just
Speaker 5: userly reported like I'm trying to be new age with
Speaker 5: it and tech savvy with it, to where it I'm
Speaker 5: building automation around sounds and movement to where it basically
Speaker 5: sits it all out there for us, the people that are.
Speaker 4: Going to be involved in the app, and that where
Speaker 4: you when it.
Speaker 5: Reports like amplitude up risings and movements, even if it's
Speaker 5: like a deer or or an owl, right, because you
Speaker 5: can't really know until you watch it.
Speaker 4: That's the hard part.
Speaker 5: That's why we need collaboration because there's only so many
Speaker 5: hours a day that I have to review three point
Speaker 5: five tearby to footage every month. So that's my thought.
Speaker 5: I'm building that out right now. It's a little bit
Speaker 5: manual automation, but I have found a whole lot of
Speaker 5: interesting things that have happened, the interesting sounds. It's just
Speaker 5: interesting movements. I can say that, and then it's a
Speaker 5: labor of love. Because I'm pretty much the only developer
Speaker 5: on this. I'm going to eventually have it to where
Speaker 5: it's where you can hit a button and request certain
Speaker 5: footage and just review it like whenever you want to.
Speaker 4: It'll give you a hard link and you can go
Speaker 4: review it.
Speaker 5: But that's the important thing to me is that there's
Speaker 5: before footage, there's after footage. There's so much analysis you
Speaker 5: can do that I haven't found any research. You're really
Speaker 5: trying to attack it in that sense. Well, like I said,
Speaker 5: a lot of the hard part is trying to get
Speaker 5: the power because I'm a reliability is there and it
Speaker 5: makes me mad when the power goes down because of
Speaker 5: solar is not good enough. Right now, we're doing a
Speaker 5: solar and we just got this really nice remote generator
Speaker 5: in that we can turn on remotely from twelve hundred
Speaker 5: miles away.
Speaker 4: So we're really trying.
Speaker 5: To think outside the box on some of this power
Speaker 5: stuff and get it to where it's really reliable. It's
Speaker 5: just a it's a work in progress, but yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: In a nutshell.
Speaker 5: It's you know, you make an account and you do
Speaker 5: it if you don't like it. I built it all
Speaker 5: with Apple and Google. It's called Discovering Bigfoot, so it's
Speaker 5: on both of those platforms and you know, there's just
Speaker 5: a subscription fee and I can tell you, the fee
Speaker 5: is nowhere near what it costs me to actually build
Speaker 5: this all out.
Speaker 4: Really, it's just to.
Speaker 5: Recover the monthly costs because it does cost a lot
Speaker 5: monthly to run all this architecture. The whole thing is
Speaker 5: power as far as the Internet goes by starlink, and
Speaker 5: we really had to up to bendwidth just to take
Speaker 5: the upload speed.
Speaker 4: So the Starling itself is really pricing, to be honest.
Speaker 5: Even I know a lot of people use it now,
Speaker 5: but we're doing like the highest here bandwidth possible so
Speaker 5: I can have the footage uploaded.
Speaker 3: It's such a fascinating project, and I think that no
Speaker 3: matter what side you're on with what's going on up
Speaker 3: there in twenty thirty years, when we look back to
Speaker 3: this time period, people are going to say it's one
Speaker 3: of the most just craziest projects that were done regarding
Speaker 3: Bigfoot in that time period of the twenty twenties. Right.
Speaker 3: It's just it's not just like you're having a cellular gamecam,
Speaker 3: but you're integrating an app, so you're integrating people being
Speaker 3: able to access it, and it's just it is it's
Speaker 3: so cool. I used to be a software engineer as well,
Speaker 3: so I get the way you think a little bit,
Speaker 3: at least I like to think so I probably do.
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought of is it written down? How
Speaker 3: you set this up? Is the software, all that good
Speaker 3: stuff available in a get hub repository anywhere? Have you
Speaker 3: thought of that? Is it even a thing where you
Speaker 3: know you may not want to have it all out
Speaker 3: there for other people to utilize.
Speaker 4: I think eventually I'll make it just open source. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I do use get lab to do all the code repo.
Speaker 5: It's a private get lab, but I do use get glab.
Speaker 4: To do all the coding.
Speaker 5: And then at the architecture on the back end, it
Speaker 5: is proprietary a little bit because I didn't want to
Speaker 5: use you can think of it as a cloud DVR,
Speaker 5: but not built of DVR software, because I looked into
Speaker 5: a lot of that stuff and it just I didn't
Speaker 5: want to mess with it because it looked like a
Speaker 5: paint in my butt, Like I wanted to do it simplistic,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to use cloud providers to do all
Speaker 5: the A lot of the back end architecture. Right, I
Speaker 5: do have it all diagrammed out, and I have it
Speaker 5: written out, and I'm hoping that if I get by
Speaker 5: a bus. Someone could read it all and take over.
Speaker 5: I know it might take a little bit to back
Speaker 5: engineer some stuff that's not working, but I'm hoping something
Speaker 5: happened to me someone could.
Speaker 4: Take over it.
Speaker 5: I do have a that twin brother that is in
Speaker 5: the same kind of field as me, so I'm sure
Speaker 5: he could catch on and figure it out.
Speaker 4: But it's not this meta thing or I'm not a
Speaker 4: super smart Google engineer.
Speaker 5: I'm just the regular guy that has an engineering background
Speaker 5: and I really enjoy learning new things and enjoy automation
Speaker 5: and Python and writing server lists, applications and votions and observability.
Speaker 5: I do a lot of observability when it comes to
Speaker 5: my job and building reliable things to actually measure. So
Speaker 5: it just works handed him with a big foot, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: because we're trying to measure how to find this being
Speaker 5: and we need data and this is like step one.
Speaker 4: Let's collect data, right.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of data out there, but
Speaker 5: most people are keeping it to themselves or it may
Speaker 5: be not as complicated as what I'm sharing to do,
Speaker 5: but it's really it's for people, right. I want people
Speaker 5: to get involved and help the discovery and people that
Speaker 5: can't get out in the woods and they're really into
Speaker 5: the topic.
Speaker 4: This is like step one towards that in my opinion.
Speaker 5: So I'm open to criticism and collaboration, and they do
Speaker 5: this without doing it this way or doing it this way.
Speaker 5: Like I'm always listening to the podcast trying to figure
Speaker 5: out like a good way to interact and put something up.
Speaker 5: I'm always trying to find a new in that would
Speaker 5: maybe draw then in, like a puzzle or the color
Speaker 5: blue or tennis balls. Every time I go out there,
Speaker 5: I do something different. It's fun to me and I
Speaker 5: really enjoy doing it. And I'm really hoping that you know,
Speaker 5: some guy named John do Bill logs into this app
Speaker 5: he's Bigfoot, records.
Speaker 4: It and they'll name it after Bill, right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not about the credit. I just wanted discovery.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm right there with you, dude. Have you thought
Speaker 3: of maybe And this is easier said than done, but
Speaker 3: integrating AI in a way so that there doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be an actual human individual that sees something on camera,
Speaker 3: but there could just be a notification, hey, we saw
Speaker 3: something that is really big and someone should probably take
Speaker 3: a look at it.
Speaker 4: So I have a lot.
Speaker 5: Of like land of service functions that I wrote that
Speaker 5: processes the video now, and this is within the last
Speaker 5: thirty days that I try to do some of this,
Speaker 5: and just because it's been such a hard time to
Speaker 5: try to parse.
Speaker 4: Through the data to split it that way.
Speaker 5: So it's basically using like computer vision and a lot
Speaker 5: of data science tool like Python modules.
Speaker 4: So it's like a mini it's not quite AI, like
Speaker 4: I haven't taught.
Speaker 5: A model to learn. It's not like an LLM or anything,
Speaker 5: but it's there's other services I could pump it into
Speaker 5: that are out there, that are available that I could
Speaker 5: actually do that. I'm just trying to be a little
Speaker 5: bit accustomed with them at first because what I've built already,
Speaker 5: it already finds all the amplitudes, it finds some Eventually
Speaker 5: I'm going to have it to where it actually finds
Speaker 5: certain types of sound waves, and it already I have some.
Speaker 5: I posted some stuff to Reddit where I said, using
Speaker 5: tech to find Bigfoot, and I have this The square
Speaker 5: boxes show up on the screen that shows this owl
Speaker 5: come into picture and fly by, and it shows where
Speaker 5: it's moving before it goes there. So it's I have
Speaker 5: that in the background it's just not fully automated, like
Speaker 5: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm trying to get to that.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I'm one person, and at
Speaker 5: the same time, I pay a lot for the softwares
Speaker 5: that are out there that are somewhat open source and whatnot,
Speaker 5: and I could try to build some of that modeling
Speaker 5: on my own.
Speaker 4: It just takes time.
Speaker 5: So I'm open to people that are really good engineers
Speaker 5: that would want to help do some of it, because
Speaker 5: the more the merrier, from my opinion, like if people
Speaker 5: are really good at doing some of the AI stuff,
Speaker 5: because it's I'm still in my infancy on some of
Speaker 5: some of those aspects.
Speaker 3: So what I'm hearing is if listeners are software developers
Speaker 3: or guys that are involved with crazy AI stuff, to
Speaker 3: reach out to Logan. We'll probably get that info at
Speaker 3: the end of the episode, and maybe there could be
Speaker 3: a whole little hackathon that goes on and really get
Speaker 3: this snail down. Who knows.
Speaker 5: I can give you end points that points to ours
Speaker 5: the footage, and you can help me to do some
Speaker 5: development work on how to get it more suage than
Speaker 5: really crisp, because when the trees blow hard that could.
Speaker 5: You really have to train it where you know there's
Speaker 5: a wind up there sometimes and you'll see the trees
Speaker 5: moving left to right and that kind of gives a
Speaker 5: false positive. So you really have to train it for
Speaker 5: certain movements, and it's possible.
Speaker 4: It's not unachievable. It just takes time.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating. That's my dream that someday your system is
Speaker 3: running in Area X, or somewhere nearby in southeast Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: or in northern California or organ just all over the place,
Speaker 3: and it's the thing that really locks it in. And
Speaker 3: I know there's probably other stuff to get done before that,
Speaker 3: but man, that would just be so cool Logan. If
Speaker 3: that ended up being the case, I.
Speaker 4: Would love that.
Speaker 5: I'd love to just have two or three more people
Speaker 5: to collaborate with and put the system up where we
Speaker 5: had more. This has only been live basically since middle
Speaker 5: of July, so it hasn't really been that much up
Speaker 5: in that much data yet, so I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think it has a lot of unlimited application and possibilities
Speaker 5: from my standpoint.
Speaker 4: That's why I've.
Speaker 5: Been really trying to get it more reliable. It really
Speaker 5: does irk me that the system goes down sometimes, and
Speaker 5: it has been going down because the wattage from these
Speaker 5: five hundred thousand lots solar.
Speaker 4: Panels do not produce enough energy for whatever reason.
Speaker 5: It's so mind boggling the amount of work we put
Speaker 5: in to try to get solar to be more stable
Speaker 5: when it is clearly.
Speaker 4: Not what it's cracked up to be.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, it sounds like definite work in progress,
Speaker 3: but it also sounds like it's worth all the potential
Speaker 3: frustration that goes into it, for sure. Logan, it's been
Speaker 3: a real pleasure chatting with you tonight. Did you have
Speaker 3: any final closing thoughts? Slash remind people how they can
Speaker 3: get in touch with you if they're an engineer, or
Speaker 3: how they can also get set up with this application
Speaker 3: to keep an eye on what's going up in the
Speaker 3: Todds area.
Speaker 4: So that's called just discovering Bigfoot. Find it on Apple Store.
Speaker 5: The Google Store. It's out there, and try to make
Speaker 5: it pretty simple. So if people I try to make
Speaker 5: it to where it's not a lot of people you
Speaker 5: have to really verify you have a really email and stuff,
Speaker 5: because I don't the email. It's just people out there
Speaker 5: just goofing around, but other than that, it's out there
Speaker 5: and then see when to get a hold of me.
Speaker 5: My contact email is on the app itself, but it's
Speaker 5: contact at Bigfoot livestream dot org.
Speaker 4: You can just send me an email. I do have a.
Speaker 5: Facebook page in the Instagram page where I'm putting videos
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 4: If you can find me.
Speaker 5: Again, there's links on the app to that, so you
Speaker 5: don't have to search all up.
Speaker 4: It's all on the app. But I'm out there in
Speaker 4: the social.
Speaker 5: Media world, even though that's not really my forte all right,
Speaker 5: it's really more for to let people know I'm alive
Speaker 5: in anything. Wh It's a lot better marketer than I am,
Speaker 5: let's put it that way. But yeah, that's how you
Speaker 5: get a hold of me. And I'm usually if you
Speaker 5: do need to get a hold of Todd or something,
Speaker 5: I might talk to him all the time, and I
Speaker 5: do have some links to some of his YouTube stuff
Speaker 5: inside the app.
Speaker 4: Well, he's the.
Speaker 5: Backbone of the project, because this really is the situation side.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on the show again,
Speaker 3: and it'll be extremely interesting to check back in with
Speaker 3: you maybe in a few years to see where this
Speaker 3: project has gone. But thank you.
Speaker 4: Yep, great talking middie.
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