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we are learning more about the Charlotte people who were
killed in that horrific midair collision between an American Eagle
Flight fifty three forty two and the military helicopter, the
black Hawk helicopter. There were sixty passengers on the American
Eagle flight. There were four crew and three crew on
the military chopper. The flight was out of Wichita, Kansas,
and there were a number of people from Charlotte. There
was a Charlotte based crew that was on the plane.
Speaker 1: It was a.
Speaker 2: It was an American Airlines subsidiary PSA is the name
of the company, but they are part of the American
Airlines network. And so you know, obviously Charlotte had this
is a hub for American Airlines and so the crew,
a lot of several members of the crew were out
of Charlotte. And good job to the local media outlets
that have been able to tell us about who these
people were, because it's important, you know. We have some
more information that's developed over the last twenty four hours.
I will get to that as well. We had confirmation
hearings yesterday. I tried to watch it, did not get
to watch all of the cash ptel. I watched the
Tulsa Gabbard stuff, and so we'll bring you some of
the audio from that later on in the program too.
But let me start with just a quick rundown of
the victims from the Charlotte area that we're on that flight.
And by the way, I'm seeing stories about one of
the pilots that was on the Blackhawk helicopter and people
are saying it was a trans person or something, but
that I've not seen that confirmed, so right now, I
believe that is not accurate information. So just a heads
up if you're sharing that information. And I'm not really
sure why that would matter either, But I also see
people are saying that, oh, there's a video and it
shows that the chopper made it, you know, went right
for the chop, right for the plane. Well, I mean, yes,
the helicopter did go into the plane. So if you
have a video that shows that, than I mean sure,
because the chopper went into the plane. So I thought
we were all on the same page.
Speaker 3: But to.
Speaker 2: Draw a conclusion that that was intentionally done is a stretch.
To say the least, the people that were on the plane,
on the helicopter, they had run this training many times.
People I see also, or like, why are they running
a training, this kind of a training in you know,
in that area, Well, because that's where they're out of,
and that's where they're based out of, and so their
training is for things that they would need to do
in that area. You want them to be prepared for
whatever might come down, you know, the pike there, And
the way to train in an area that you are
servicing is to train in the area that you are servicing.
So again, like to draw us some sort of a
conclusion just because you don't know why they're training and
then say, well, because I'm ignorant of why they would
be training in that area, therefore it was malicious or whatever.
That's a stretch. I'm not saying that you don't ask
the questions. I'm saying simply asking questions is not proof
of a conclusion that you wish to be true.
Speaker 1: Okay, That's all that, and that's what I urge.
Speaker 2: People against doing in all of these types of incidents,
to draw conclusion before you.
Speaker 1: Know what is actually the case.
Speaker 2: One of the crew members from the flight fifty three
forty two was Ian Epstein. He was a crew member,
he was one of the flight attendants. His former wife,
Debbie Epstein, gave an interview to the Charlotte Observer that's
where I'm reading this from. This is a piece by
Chase Jordan and Jeff Chambers, and Debbie Epstein says that
her former husband made flying fun for the passengers on
the plane so they didn't get scared. He was always
the jokester and just doing the announcement, you know, the
pre flight announcements with a twist. And in fact, in
the newscast there at the beginning of the hour, you
heard Mark Garrison. He had some audio from apparently a
passenger on one of these flights was I guess impressed
or pleased with his performance that they shot a video
of him. Not from this particular flight, but from a
different flight that he was on, and so that video
is making the rounds as well. They had two children,
have two children, one of whom is a daughter who
is set to be married in.
Speaker 1: Just eight weeks. Just said he.
Speaker 2: Turned fifty three last month. Before becoming a flight attendant.
He was actually a top seller of r v's at
Camping World in Concord, and a lot of people there
remembering him as well. There was also Wendy Schaeffer. She
was a passenger, a Charlotte mom. She died aboard the
flight she was according to friends who set up a
verified go fund Me for her. In the family, she
was described as a radiant soul, a devoted wife, and
an incredible mother to her two beautiful boys, ages three
and one. Samuel Lilly twenty eight years old. He was
one of the crew members from Charlotte. According to his sister,
Tiffany Gibson, she said she has three kids and he
was an incredible uncle. He was the funcle, which is
the fun uncle, and the kids just like and adored him,
and he loved traveling and he loved to fly. He
had been at the airline for about two years. Their
dad was in the Army, she said, and he too
had a career as a pilot. And she told the
observer that we take heart in the fact that we
know that he's with Jesus. Another flight attendant, Danasia Elder,
She was a flight attendant there. She leaves behind a
husband and two children. Brandon Payne, her brother in law,
spoke with WSOCTV and said she was a great wife,
a great parent, and a great friend. And the pilot,
Jonathan Campos The New York Times identified him thirty four
years old. He worked for the airline for about six years,
according to American, and the job allowed him to travel
from his Florida home and try new things. He was
born and raised in Brooklyn, New York. And so our
prayers are with their families and their friends, for comfort
and for peace and for strength, and our sincere condolences
to them. They have recovered the two black boxes from
the American Eagle flight. The recovery teams are still out
there in the Potomac River today. They are, according to
NBC News, investigators are confident that they will be able
to locate the flight data recorder or the black box
from the black Hawk helicopter as well, got to work
with the military on that, obviously because it's a military aircraft.
And then there was a story that I believe it
was the AP that originally reported it about staffing levels
in the air traffic control room at the time of
the crash that it was quote not normal for the
time of day and the volume of traffic that according
to a preliminary report from the Federal Aviation Administration. And
maybe you have heard this term in the last day
and a half or so. I was not aware of
this term, but I've since learned what it means.
Speaker 1: Swiss cheese. Have you heard this?
Speaker 2: So rather than thinking if you're thinking in terms of,
you know, what causes an accident, it's not. It's not
like a chain where a single link gets broken and
then you have an accident where a single thing happens.
I mean, yes, that can happen, but it's very very,
very very rare. Usually it is what they call Swiss cheek,
and even that doesn't really capture all of the things
necessary for a catastrophic incident like this to occur. But
if you think about it, you have a whole bunch
of slices of Swiss cheese, you know, and when you
get them in the package, if they're cut from the
same block, which they usually are, right, you'll have a
hole like maybe right in the center there's a hole.
And because it's sliced off that same block, there's that
same hole, and it's in multiple pieces of the cheese.
And so when you pick up all the slices and
you hold them and you stack them all together, that
hole you could see right through.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So that's the idea, is that you've got all these
slices of sliced cheese, of Swiss cheese, and the only
way to have an accident like this occur is that
you have to have all these different slices of cheese
that all have a hole in the same place for
all of those holes to line up. Like that's the
rarity that you're talking about. In every one of those
pieces of cheese represents a problem, something that shouldn't have happened,
you know, and only then will you have a catastrophic
accident like this. So if you hear the term Swiss cheese,
that's what this is in reference to. It is sort
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by Ross O'Keefe, reporting that air traffic controls staffing at
Ronald Reagan National Airport was quote not normal for the
time of day and volume of traffic. And again that's
according to a preliminary report from the FAA. The report
was obtained by several outlets, including the Associated Press, and
it found that one controller, so one per was handling
the helicopters in the airport's vicinity as well as the planes,
so they were doing both the planes that were departing
and landing.
Speaker 2: So at the time of the crash, there was one
person handling choppers and planes. Those two jobs typically have
one controller assigned to each of the jobs, so you
would normally have two people, one doing choppers, one doing planes,
but at the time of the crash there was one
person doing both. While the report found that the arrangement
of one worker doing two jobs was quote not normal,
a source told the Associated Press. It's not a typical.
I'm not really sure what the difference between those two
terms means. So it's not normal, but it's not a typical, Okay,
So what Usually you've got the two people doing it,
But if you got one person doing it, that's not
unusual either, okay, because workers will fill in for their
colleagues when the colleagues are going out on a break
or something, or a shift change, or if it's a
slow night, which as I understand that this was not
a particularly slow night for the air control or traffic control.
NBC published a report a little while ago this morning
that a single controller was left to handle both plane
and helicopter traffic, and air traffic control supervisor in the
tower at Reagan National Airport let a controller leave their
shift early before the deadly midair crash. Okay, so I
don't know if that was because the workload wasn't heavy enough. Again,
I have seen reports that it wasn't a slow night,
but maybe it was for that particular runway or area
or job assignment or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It is allowable under FAA standards for one controller to
perform both jobs, but it is not considered to be optimal. Right,
generally you want two people, one for each of the jobs.
The National Transportation Safety Board said that it could not
confirm the report but will release its own preliminary report
within thirty days. Air traffic control staffing maybe a small
piece of the puzzle in determining the crash's cause. NTSB
member j todd Inman told NBC the Today Show, quote
that's one small aspect of the overall investigation, saying that
having low staffing levels would not necessarily be an indication
of a problem. At times, you'll have fluctuations of not
only flights, but also air traffic control, and so you know,
this is going to be something obviously that they look at,
because they look at every single element that was connected
to the crash. Single controller facing the increased workload likely
dealt with more complicated circumstances than if he had another
controller to spread the tasks. Controllers also use different frequencies
to communicate with helicopters and planes, and so again they're
going to look at this.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know there are audio recordings that have been you know,
shared online and in stories, news reports and the like,
and what I have seen from actual pilots who have
a lot of experience, you know, not somebody who took
a couple of flight classes or something, but like actual
people that have done this for a long time. The
common thing that they keep saying, and I keep hearing
over and over and over again. Not to say that
I know this is the cause, but it is. You know,
one of the pieces of the puzzle is human error.
And you can do all of the technological upgrades, you
can have all of the you know, the best gadgets
and gizmos and everything else, but you still have human
beings in the mix. And as long as you have
human beings in the mix, human failure is always going
to be part of the equation and you try to
minimize it as best you can. I'm reminded of the
remember a long time ago, there was a submarine that
that went to surface. It came up from you know,
from the deep, and came up and like hit a boat.
Remember that This was like I don't know, fifteen years
ago or something, and you know, killed a whole bunch
of people on the boat.
Speaker 1: I think it hit like a fishing boat.
Speaker 2: It was a military sub it's something, and it came
up and it hit this boat and like you've never
heard anything like that again since, because it was such
a rare occasion, Like it's literally the middle of the ocean, right. Well,
there's a reason we use that phrase, Oh my gosh,
it's like an ocean of whatever, because it's so big.
The chances of something of like that like that happening
are so small. But there is a chance, and you know,
human error and some mistake that somebody made. They looked
right instead of looking left, they were wearing night vision
goggles as part of their training and certification or something
like I've heard that could have been a factor as well.
There's just a lot of different factors, a lot of
different holes in the slices of the Swiss cheese have
to align.
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CNN that according to Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, that they
have still not recovered the black box from the Blackhawk helicopter,
but they are obviously working to do so. So yesterday
we covered this also in the first hour or two
I think, yeah, we did two hours on this yesterday.
The press conference that the President held after the crash,
I was critical of the way he behaved the things
that he said. That being said, I would also point
out that this is Donald Trump, and it's been Donald Trump,
and I've been critical of his behavior like that for
eight years now, and I lost that argument. People don't care.
The people who love him don't care. They don't find
it to be a turnoff or anything like that. I'm
not going to relitigate all of that. There's no point
to it. The man is who he is. But there
are downsides to it. Okay, I understand people think that,
as I think it was Ray who called in yesterday.
He said, essentially, you know he fights, and yeah, sure,
I agree. However, there are downsides to that. Right, It's
not one hundred percent win, a one hundred percent good
all the time. It's there are downsides to this kind
of behavior, and as expected.
Speaker 1: Here it is so.
Speaker 2: From the same Washington Examiner story, President Donald Trump shifted
blame for the crash onto the pilots of the military
helicopter during a press conference on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 2: The helicopter had vision of the plane, and for some reason,
there weren't any adjustments made. The people in the helicopter
should have been able to see it. Right, So Trump
is behaving just like you or me and anybody, right,
we're all out here.
Speaker 1: Just like, Oh, it could have been this, it could
have been that. Why didn't they do that? Whatever?
Speaker 2: And Trump saying it carries more weight because he's the president, right,
But that's what he does. And again, I recognize that
this is what he does. I'm not holding him to
a standard of what I wish he would do, of
what I wish he was. I am a realist, uh,
And so I recognize he is not capable of doing that.
And if he is capable of doing it, he refuses
to do so, it doesn't matter. The end result is
still the same. And so he goes on and he's,
you know, just spitballing out there, just throwing these things
out there. And in a memo issued later yesterday after
you know, he did the press conference and said basically
the same thing. Trump suggested that diversity, equity and inclusion
was to blame for the crash. I went over this yesterday.
Why would he bring this up in this news conference?
And what I surmised is that this was a response
because of the media coverage that had been occurring in
the previous twelve hours.
Speaker 1: They had been.
Speaker 2: Blaming Donald Trump for firing FAA people or something, and
for you know, funding freezes and getting rid of DEI
policies and all of these things that they hate Trump
for became the excuse for why this crash occurred, which
is absolutely asinine in my view. There's a much better
way to address that attack that he could have taken,
but he did not do that because, as I said earlier,
he is Donald Trump, so he did not do what
I would submit is the better thing to have done.
He did the thing where he attacks DEI and his
predecessors in Biden and Boodhaji and all of this, right,
but I surmised he was responding to the media attacks.
And what happens when you do that, Well, remember rule
number two of journalisming, which is that if the scandal
involves a Democrat, then the story is the Republican reaction
to the scandal. That's how journalists quote unquote journalismers, That's
how journalismers will frame the story. Now, if the scandal
is a better Republican, then the story is obviously the
scandal like Republican did something bad, Oh my gosh. And
then you play the defend into savow game. You run
around to every single Republican, stick a mic in their
face and demand that they defend or disavow the person
who did the scandal. But if it's a Democrat, then
it's Republican reaction to the scandal. So Phase one, you
attack Donald Trump, accuse him of being the guy who
caused all of this. Right, Trump comes out and defends
himself quote unquote, but then also attacks the DEI stuff
and the lowered hiring qualifications and standards that were in
fact put in place by Obama and Biden. That is true,
that did happen. Donald Trump said it yesterday. Just because
he said it doesn't make it false. I know that's
probably earth shattering news to a lot of Trump haters.
But just because Trump says something doesn't mean it's automatically
not true. Okay, Trump says things that are in fact true,
he says things that are not true.
Speaker 1: He's much like a well, yeah, like a human being.
As crazy as that may sound.
Speaker 2: People say things all the time that are true and
are not true. And so he sends out the memo,
and so what then becomes the coverage? Well, glad you asked,
I have access to a publicly available website That website
is called mem Random. I've talked about this website before.
It is an aggregator site much like Well then it
goes around and scoops up headlines puts them all into
like categories, so you'll see all of like the flight,
the you know, the mid air collision coverage all in
one place and stuff. And it has links to all
sorts of news organizations and how they're covering it and
all that stuff. And it is, by my estimation left
of center. I can tell by the stories that populate
this page, and it's constantly updating. But the stories that
it either by algorithm or by human choice, that it
focuses on, and the angles that it promotes, it seems
to me to be pretty evident that it is from
the left. I mean they post it a Matter New Republic.
Stuff gets up there all the time, and that is
a leftist rag anyway. So I look at me Mirandom though,
to see what stories are getting pushed in the left
wing media echo chamber. Another great website on this is
ground News, by the way, as well. Ground News will
show you, you know, stories from all these different outlets,
and it does a media bias rating on the media
companies and the outlets that are doing the publications anyway.
So this was as of yesterday evening after Trump's press conference.
The whole first page here we go. Trump seeks without
evidence to blame DEI and Democrats for the crash. That
was the New York Times, and discussion of that story
then appears in Press Watch, The Atlantic, Bloomberg, Wrought Story,
The Hill, Associated Press, Plain Dealer, New York Post, Town Hall,
The Greggio Lawyer's Guns and Money, Show Me, Progress, USA Today,
Vanity Fair, Roll Call, LA Times, Daily Mail, The Guardian,
New York Daily News, Givez Moto, The Left Hook with
wad j. Hot Ali, The Independent, Mock Paper, Scissors, Deadline,
The Post, Millennial, and ce bs News. One story out
of the New York Times gets that kind of play.
Next story, Trump's plane crash response is as cheap as
you'd expect.
Speaker 1: This is from the Bulwark.
Speaker 2: These are the neo cons that you left the Republicans
over Donald Trump. Discussion occurring about this on Rolling Stone,
Washington Post, AP, Raw Story, NBC, ABC, Axios, Midas, Touched News,
Red State, Business, Inside, or you get the idea. There's
like two dozen places that's appearing next story. Trump lashes
out at Biden DEI efforts after DC plane crash a
whole host of discussion there. Trump spark outcry with implication
that DEI policies are at fault in DC midair collision.
Speaker 1: Ab that was NBC ABC.
Speaker 2: Trump with out citing evidence, attacks FAA diversity initiatives during
plane crash briefing, prompts fierce backlash axios Trump to order
DEI review of aviation despite lack of link to crash.
See that is the narrative crafting operation at play. And
when Trump behaves the way he behaved, these right themselves,
this is what they have been waiting for. So they
induce the reaction. This is a Lensky tactics, folks. You
induce the reaction and then you savage that reaction.
Speaker 1: I thought they had. I thought they had realized.
Speaker 3: This, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not so.
Speaker 2: So that being said, the FAA's diversity diversity hiring practices
have been under scrutiny for a while. All Right, if
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Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk with Marty. Hello Marty, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3: Hey Pete, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 1: I am, sir, Thank you well.
Speaker 3: I was going to comment on the Trump issue. I
think that what he done, Pete, And I know you
may disagree with me, but I think what he done
was a necessary evil. And I'm going to tell you why.
I think that the Democrats are not only writing the
narratives on each individual thing that happens with the presidency
of Donald Trump, but they're also writing the narrative on
his presidency period. Now that's where I believe our nation
has come to. It's come to a place where you know,
you've got to set up for the next election and
revealing the Democrats I guess issues in this matter of
what Donald Trump sees them as is something that he
has to do based on the fact that there's probably
what five ten, maybe even as much as fifteen news
agencies that are going against his presidency, trying to create
a narrative that's going to get rid of the Republicans
this election, I mean the next election, and you know,
set it up for the Democrats. That's where our country is.
And it's said, it really is, it's said, but it
has to be I think because it's an ongoing process.
You got a whole media network that's against you and
the party that's against you, and those two are joined
together to destroy you and I believe that the only
time he really gets that word in or that punch
in is through briefings like he done. He can't sit
there like they do twenty four to seven and write
news send it out. He has to throw that punch
in there when he's before a lot of people who
are tuned in to hear what he has to say.
His go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that it is.
Speaker 2: I think you are underestimating the reach that Donald Trump
has on his own social media platforms and his Twitter
page and the like. The man says anything on social media,
and it becomes the lead story everywhere, right, So I
don't think that I don't think that he's an underdog
in that sense. I do agree that all of these
operations align against him, and they would very much like
to recap him, absolutely sure. But the way he did
it yesterday, and mine is a criticism of the style
of the thing of the way he delivered that punch,
as you call it, is that it was it was
in my mind, not effective. It was not effective because
it launched all of those stories. It launched all of
these reaction stories where they get to and you heard
it repeated. You know, Trump seeks without evidence, without evidence,
no evidence, like they keep throwing that stuff in there
because he didn't produce any evidence yesterday. Now, it would
be one thing if he had come out and said, like, look,
we are looking at whether hiring practices implemented by the
previous administration led to anything like like that's put that
to me. That would have been the way to do it,
is to say we're looking at it because we don't
know yet if that contributed. But he comes out and
says that it's connected and there's no there isn't. Now,
maybe there is evidence and we just don't know it,
but right now he hasn't produced any evidence to support that.
We don't know that. And if it was the military
guys that made the mistake, then the DEI hiring practices
at the FAA would have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I can agree to a part of that peat,
But I also see that what I believe they're looking
at is the big picture and the totality of you know,
presidency and the next election and stuff like this. And
I believe that there probably is evidence that he has
because you got to admit, most of the time when
Trump claimed something, it tends to come true.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't admit that. No, I don't admit that. Well,
I don't agree with that. And I understand people that
love well know, I understand.
Speaker 2: Look, I understand that people who love Donald Trump believe
that to be the case. I am not one of
those people. Donald Trump says a lot of stuff that
is not true. He does, he absolutely, you know, yeah,
he does. And I'm not in the camp of like
I track all of the lies and he's you know,
fifty thousand lies. Like I'm not in that camp either,
But I recognize, like the guy speaks in hyperbole and
grandiose exaggerations of things, right. He does it to put
people on their heels. He does it to gain leverage
in a negotiation. He does it for all sorts of reasons,
and that's who he is. I accept all of that.
Speaker 3: And and I can understand what you're saying, and I
can see that, I really can, Pete. But you know,
there's also plosicizing Donald Trump as well for your gain
as well. I mean sure, you know, in the beginning
of the comments here, and I'm not taking a shot
at you, but you called him, you know, orange a
ho and some other stuff, and that you know.
Speaker 1: I called him that who whoa whoa whoa whoa wha.
Speaker 2: Hang on a second, I called Donald Trump an orange
a hole.
Speaker 1: I think that was you, That was not That was
not me, Marty Well.
Speaker 3: I apologize, I wholeheartedly apologize. But I think that what
he does do is like in a situation where the
uh they accused him of saying that crime rate wasn't
up when they had that debate and they found out
that it was up. And I've seen many times that
his things because of what he knew, and they would
try to change the narrative or dismiss the narrative as
he don't know what he's talking about, Right, he's dumb
and he's ignorant, and it's turned out that he wasn't
that way. And that's that's my point.
Speaker 1: And I think that I don't disagree with that that
the media missed.
Speaker 2: The media miss quotes him, They assumed the worst meanings
and intense. Absolutely, they they chop up his his sound
bites to make him sound like he's saying that he's
saying something that he didn't say asolutely the good people
on both sides is the classic example of it. So yeah,
I can agree I don't have to choose. So once again,
it's another one of these false choices. I don't have
to choose that it is all or nothing, because it's both.
The media is behaving the way they have been constantly
behaving with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is behaving the way
he constantly behaves. And sometimes he says things that are
true that they twist and they blame him for things
that he is not responsible for. But then sometimes he
says things that are not true. Right, so like those
things can all be true.
Speaker 3: I think that's as fair analogy. But I also think
that what we have to do at this point, and
you know, hopefully the presidency will do it and the
news media do it, wait and see and see what happens,
see who was true and who was false, and you know,
just find out what did happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not gonna happen, Marty.
Speaker 3: I wish it would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you too, have a good weekend. I don't
think that's gonna happen. And I would like a billion
that's no. And I think it was. It may have
been Trump yesterday in a Q and A. Maybe I
think he said it.
Speaker 2: You know, somebody asked, well, you know you're speculating, or
I think it was him, or maybe it was Caroline Levitt,
I forget, but somebody in the administration, I believe, like
pointed out that you guys are attacking Trump for speculating
about what the causes might have been, because that's what
he was doing, right, And he may be more informed
of some of the stuff than we are. We don't know,
and people who love Trump are going to assume that
he knows everything already and he's speaking in code because
it gives him comfort. I don't know that to be true,
so I don't I don't adopt that as a belief.
Now that being said, what he was doing is precisely
what the media does, right that they're not the president,
but they are the media, and they're they're giving information
to the American public. And when they start speculating on
this stuff, you can't then turn around and say, well,
you can't do the same thing I'm doing.
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