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So 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,600 we are learning more about the Charlotte people who were 11 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:37,880 killed in that horrific midair collision between an American Eagle 12 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:44,320 Flight fifty three forty two and the military helicopter, the 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:50,039 black Hawk helicopter. There were sixty passengers on the American 14 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:53,600 Eagle flight. There were four crew and three crew on 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:59,799 the military chopper. The flight was out of Wichita, Kansas, 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,319 and there were a number of people from Charlotte. There 17 00:01:05,359 --> 00:01:10,959 was a Charlotte based crew that was on the plane. 18 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: It was a. 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: It was an American Airlines subsidiary PSA is the name 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,239 of the company, but they are part of the American 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,480 Airlines network. And so you know, obviously Charlotte had this 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,439 is a hub for American Airlines and so the crew, 23 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:32,599 a lot of several members of the crew were out 24 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:39,000 of Charlotte. And good job to the local media outlets 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,439 that have been able to tell us about who these 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:49,439 people were, because it's important, you know. We have some 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,400 more information that's developed over the last twenty four hours. 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,239 I will get to that as well. We had confirmation 29 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:58,359 hearings yesterday. I tried to watch it, did not get 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,480 to watch all of the cash ptel. I watched the 31 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:06,879 Tulsa Gabbard stuff, and so we'll bring you some of 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,360 the audio from that later on in the program too. 33 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:14,360 But let me start with just a quick rundown of 34 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:18,800 the victims from the Charlotte area that we're on that flight. 35 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,719 And by the way, I'm seeing stories about one of 36 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,400 the pilots that was on the Blackhawk helicopter and people 37 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:27,759 are saying it was a trans person or something, but 38 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,080 that I've not seen that confirmed, so right now, I 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,800 believe that is not accurate information. So just a heads 40 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:38,240 up if you're sharing that information. And I'm not really 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,000 sure why that would matter either, But I also see 42 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,400 people are saying that, oh, there's a video and it 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,039 shows that the chopper made it, you know, went right 44 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,599 for the chop, right for the plane. Well, I mean, yes, 45 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:58,759 the helicopter did go into the plane. So if you 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,879 have a video that shows that, than I mean sure, 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,719 because the chopper went into the plane. So I thought 48 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:05,879 we were all on the same page. 49 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: But to. 50 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: Draw a conclusion that that was intentionally done is a stretch. 51 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:17,800 To say the least, the people that were on the plane, 52 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,400 on the helicopter, they had run this training many times. 53 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,159 People I see also, or like, why are they running 54 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:29,479 a training, this kind of a training in you know, 55 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:33,400 in that area, Well, because that's where they're out of, 56 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,240 and that's where they're based out of, and so their 57 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,280 training is for things that they would need to do 58 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,319 in that area. You want them to be prepared for 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,400 whatever might come down, you know, the pike there, And 60 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,560 the way to train in an area that you are 61 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:52,800 servicing is to train in the area that you are servicing. 62 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:56,599 So again, like to draw us some sort of a 63 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,520 conclusion just because you don't know why they're training and 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,240 then say, well, because I'm ignorant of why they would 65 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,240 be training in that area, therefore it was malicious or whatever. 66 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:13,280 That's a stretch. I'm not saying that you don't ask 67 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:18,480 the questions. I'm saying simply asking questions is not proof 68 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,920 of a conclusion that you wish to be true. 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,439 Speaker 1: Okay, That's all that, and that's what I urge. 70 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 2: People against doing in all of these types of incidents, 71 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,560 to draw conclusion before you. 72 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,959 Speaker 1: Know what is actually the case. 73 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: One of the crew members from the flight fifty three 74 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,639 forty two was Ian Epstein. He was a crew member, 75 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:49,360 he was one of the flight attendants. His former wife, 76 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:54,879 Debbie Epstein, gave an interview to the Charlotte Observer that's 77 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:58,079 where I'm reading this from. This is a piece by 78 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:02,600 Chase Jordan and Jeff Chambers, and Debbie Epstein says that 79 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,720 her former husband made flying fun for the passengers on 80 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:09,360 the plane so they didn't get scared. He was always 81 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:13,120 the jokester and just doing the announcement, you know, the 82 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,879 pre flight announcements with a twist. And in fact, in 83 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:20,480 the newscast there at the beginning of the hour, you 84 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,600 heard Mark Garrison. He had some audio from apparently a 85 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:30,279 passenger on one of these flights was I guess impressed 86 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,079 or pleased with his performance that they shot a video 87 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,360 of him. Not from this particular flight, but from a 88 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:43,839 different flight that he was on, and so that video 89 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,439 is making the rounds as well. They had two children, 90 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,720 have two children, one of whom is a daughter who 91 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:53,040 is set to be married in. 92 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:55,399 Speaker 1: Just eight weeks. Just said he. 93 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Turned fifty three last month. Before becoming a flight attendant. 94 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,800 He was actually a top seller of r v's at 95 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:07,480 Camping World in Concord, and a lot of people there 96 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:14,079 remembering him as well. There was also Wendy Schaeffer. She 97 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,319 was a passenger, a Charlotte mom. She died aboard the 98 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:22,519 flight she was according to friends who set up a 99 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:27,279 verified go fund Me for her. In the family, she 100 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:30,160 was described as a radiant soul, a devoted wife, and 101 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,439 an incredible mother to her two beautiful boys, ages three 102 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:42,560 and one. Samuel Lilly twenty eight years old. He was 103 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,560 one of the crew members from Charlotte. According to his sister, 104 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:53,560 Tiffany Gibson, she said she has three kids and he 105 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,519 was an incredible uncle. He was the funcle, which is 106 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:00,920 the fun uncle, and the kids just like and adored him, 107 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:04,480 and he loved traveling and he loved to fly. He 108 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:08,199 had been at the airline for about two years. Their 109 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:13,480 dad was in the Army, she said, and he too 110 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:16,959 had a career as a pilot. And she told the 111 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,639 observer that we take heart in the fact that we 112 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,920 know that he's with Jesus. Another flight attendant, Danasia Elder, 113 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,759 She was a flight attendant there. She leaves behind a 114 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:36,160 husband and two children. Brandon Payne, her brother in law, 115 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:41,120 spoke with WSOCTV and said she was a great wife, 116 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,279 a great parent, and a great friend. And the pilot, 117 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:51,879 Jonathan Campos The New York Times identified him thirty four 118 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:54,759 years old. He worked for the airline for about six years, 119 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:59,079 according to American, and the job allowed him to travel 120 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,399 from his Florida home and try new things. He was 121 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,519 born and raised in Brooklyn, New York. And so our 122 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:12,040 prayers are with their families and their friends, for comfort 123 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:19,160 and for peace and for strength, and our sincere condolences 124 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:24,839 to them. They have recovered the two black boxes from 125 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:29,560 the American Eagle flight. The recovery teams are still out 126 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:37,679 there in the Potomac River today. They are, according to 127 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,120 NBC News, investigators are confident that they will be able 128 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:43,840 to locate the flight data recorder or the black box 129 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,799 from the black Hawk helicopter as well, got to work 130 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:51,639 with the military on that, obviously because it's a military aircraft. 131 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,080 And then there was a story that I believe it 132 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,480 was the AP that originally reported it about staffing levels 133 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:04,919 in the air traffic control room at the time of 134 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:09,039 the crash that it was quote not normal for the 135 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,679 time of day and the volume of traffic that according 136 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:20,279 to a preliminary report from the Federal Aviation Administration. And 137 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:24,519 maybe you have heard this term in the last day 138 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,320 and a half or so. I was not aware of 139 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,320 this term, but I've since learned what it means. 140 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: Swiss cheese. Have you heard this? 141 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:38,879 Speaker 2: So rather than thinking if you're thinking in terms of, 142 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:44,960 you know, what causes an accident, it's not. It's not 143 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,840 like a chain where a single link gets broken and 144 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:51,159 then you have an accident where a single thing happens. 145 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,480 I mean, yes, that can happen, but it's very very, 146 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:00,000 very very rare. Usually it is what they call Swiss cheek, 147 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,120 and even that doesn't really capture all of the things 148 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:07,000 necessary for a catastrophic incident like this to occur. But 149 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,000 if you think about it, you have a whole bunch 150 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:12,360 of slices of Swiss cheese, you know, and when you 151 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,039 get them in the package, if they're cut from the 152 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,600 same block, which they usually are, right, you'll have a 153 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:19,919 hole like maybe right in the center there's a hole. 154 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,879 And because it's sliced off that same block, there's that 155 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,960 same hole, and it's in multiple pieces of the cheese. 156 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,360 And so when you pick up all the slices and 157 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,039 you hold them and you stack them all together, that 158 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,320 hole you could see right through. 159 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: Right. 160 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: So that's the idea, is that you've got all these 161 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:42,360 slices of sliced cheese, of Swiss cheese, and the only 162 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:45,080 way to have an accident like this occur is that 163 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,799 you have to have all these different slices of cheese 164 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:51,799 that all have a hole in the same place for 165 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,960 all of those holes to line up. 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The Washington Examiner, in a report 196 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,720 by Ross O'Keefe, reporting that air traffic controls staffing at 197 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:45,080 Ronald Reagan National Airport was quote not normal for the 198 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:49,000 time of day and volume of traffic. And again that's 199 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,519 according to a preliminary report from the FAA. The report 200 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,639 was obtained by several outlets, including the Associated Press, and 201 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,799 it found that one controller, so one per was handling 202 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:08,240 the helicopters in the airport's vicinity as well as the planes, 203 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:12,000 so they were doing both the planes that were departing 204 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:12,559 and landing. 205 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: So at the time of the crash, there was one 206 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,639 person handling choppers and planes. Those two jobs typically have 207 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,519 one controller assigned to each of the jobs, so you 208 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,600 would normally have two people, one doing choppers, one doing planes, 209 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,200 but at the time of the crash there was one 210 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,960 person doing both. While the report found that the arrangement 211 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:41,720 of one worker doing two jobs was quote not normal, 212 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:46,039 a source told the Associated Press. It's not a typical. 213 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,559 I'm not really sure what the difference between those two 214 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,159 terms means. So it's not normal, but it's not a typical, Okay, 215 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,799 So what Usually you've got the two people doing it, 216 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,639 But if you got one person doing it, that's not 217 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,600 unusual either, okay, because workers will fill in for their 218 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:09,159 colleagues when the colleagues are going out on a break 219 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,039 or something, or a shift change, or if it's a 220 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:14,120 slow night, which as I understand that this was not 221 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:19,600 a particularly slow night for the air control or traffic control. 222 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:25,360 NBC published a report a little while ago this morning 223 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:27,919 that a single controller was left to handle both plane 224 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:32,679 and helicopter traffic, and air traffic control supervisor in the 225 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:36,879 tower at Reagan National Airport let a controller leave their 226 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:41,919 shift early before the deadly midair crash. Okay, so I 227 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:44,799 don't know if that was because the workload wasn't heavy enough. Again, 228 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:48,240 I have seen reports that it wasn't a slow night, 229 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,240 but maybe it was for that particular runway or area 230 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,639 or job assignment or something. 231 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:53,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. 232 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,159 Speaker 2: It is allowable under FAA standards for one controller to 233 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,679 perform both jobs, but it is not considered to be optimal. Right, 234 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:08,840 generally you want two people, one for each of the jobs. 235 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:11,840 The National Transportation Safety Board said that it could not 236 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:15,919 confirm the report but will release its own preliminary report 237 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,799 within thirty days. Air traffic control staffing maybe a small 238 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:26,399 piece of the puzzle in determining the crash's cause. NTSB 239 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:33,399 member j todd Inman told NBC the Today Show, quote 240 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,960 that's one small aspect of the overall investigation, saying that 241 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 having low staffing levels would not necessarily be an indication 242 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,039 of a problem. At times, you'll have fluctuations of not 243 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:48,279 only flights, but also air traffic control, and so you know, 244 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:50,720 this is going to be something obviously that they look at, 245 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:56,919 because they look at every single element that was connected 246 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:03,519 to the crash. Single controller facing the increased workload likely 247 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,519 dealt with more complicated circumstances than if he had another 248 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:10,320 controller to spread the tasks. Controllers also use different frequencies 249 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:16,519 to communicate with helicopters and planes, and so again they're 250 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:17,200 going to look at this. 251 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:17,559 Speaker 1: Now. 252 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: I know there are audio recordings that have been you know, 253 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,080 shared online and in stories, news reports and the like, 254 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,519 and what I have seen from actual pilots who have 255 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:34,639 a lot of experience, you know, not somebody who took 256 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:36,960 a couple of flight classes or something, but like actual 257 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,519 people that have done this for a long time. The 258 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:42,279 common thing that they keep saying, and I keep hearing 259 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,840 over and over and over again. Not to say that 260 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,600 I know this is the cause, but it is. You know, 261 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:52,960 one of the pieces of the puzzle is human error. 262 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,279 And you can do all of the technological upgrades, you 263 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,440 can have all of the you know, the best gadgets 264 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,720 and gizmos and everything else, but you still have human 265 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,319 beings in the mix. And as long as you have 266 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,599 human beings in the mix, human failure is always going 267 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,960 to be part of the equation and you try to 268 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,319 minimize it as best you can. I'm reminded of the 269 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:27,200 remember a long time ago, there was a submarine that 270 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,359 that went to surface. It came up from you know, 271 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,839 from the deep, and came up and like hit a boat. 272 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,799 Remember that This was like I don't know, fifteen years 273 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,480 ago or something, and you know, killed a whole bunch 274 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:39,599 of people on the boat. 275 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: I think it hit like a fishing boat. 276 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: It was a military sub it's something, and it came 277 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,759 up and it hit this boat and like you've never 278 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:49,039 heard anything like that again since, because it was such 279 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:52,200 a rare occasion, Like it's literally the middle of the ocean, right. Well, 280 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,279 there's a reason we use that phrase, Oh my gosh, 281 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:57,200 it's like an ocean of whatever, because it's so big. 282 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,000 The chances of something of like that like that happening 283 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:05,240 are so small. But there is a chance, and you know, 284 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,720 human error and some mistake that somebody made. They looked 285 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:13,359 right instead of looking left, they were wearing night vision 286 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,359 goggles as part of their training and certification or something 287 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,079 like I've heard that could have been a factor as well. 288 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,680 There's just a lot of different factors, a lot of 289 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,000 different holes in the slices of the Swiss cheese have 290 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:25,680 to align. 291 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: All right. 292 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: I hope you had a happy holiday season. But tell 293 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:32,039 me if something like this happened at your house. 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I'm seeing on 313 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:36,680 CNN that according to Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, that they 314 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,880 have still not recovered the black box from the Blackhawk helicopter, 315 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,640 but they are obviously working to do so. So yesterday 316 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,640 we covered this also in the first hour or two 317 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,680 I think, yeah, we did two hours on this yesterday. 318 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:58,720 The press conference that the President held after the crash, 319 00:19:58,839 --> 00:20:01,559 I was critical of the way he behaved the things 320 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:04,680 that he said. That being said, I would also point 321 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,160 out that this is Donald Trump, and it's been Donald Trump, 322 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,079 and I've been critical of his behavior like that for 323 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,400 eight years now, and I lost that argument. People don't care. 324 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:20,359 The people who love him don't care. They don't find 325 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,039 it to be a turnoff or anything like that. I'm 326 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:25,039 not going to relitigate all of that. There's no point 327 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:29,799 to it. The man is who he is. But there 328 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:34,119 are downsides to it. Okay, I understand people think that, 329 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,480 as I think it was Ray who called in yesterday. 330 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:40,920 He said, essentially, you know he fights, and yeah, sure, 331 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,880 I agree. However, there are downsides to that. Right, It's 332 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,519 not one hundred percent win, a one hundred percent good 333 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:52,880 all the time. It's there are downsides to this kind 334 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,480 of behavior, and as expected. 335 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: Here it is so. 336 00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:04,599 Speaker 2: From the same Washington Examiner story, President Donald Trump shifted 337 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,160 blame for the crash onto the pilots of the military 338 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:09,720 helicopter during a press conference on Thursday. 339 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: Quote. 340 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: The helicopter had vision of the plane, and for some reason, 341 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:16,559 there weren't any adjustments made. The people in the helicopter 342 00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:19,000 should have been able to see it. Right, So Trump 343 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:22,039 is behaving just like you or me and anybody, right, 344 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,440 we're all out here. 345 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,559 Speaker 1: Just like, Oh, it could have been this, it could 346 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:26,319 have been that. Why didn't they do that? Whatever? 347 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:31,039 Speaker 2: And Trump saying it carries more weight because he's the president, right, 348 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:36,079 But that's what he does. And again, I recognize that 349 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,359 this is what he does. I'm not holding him to 350 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,400 a standard of what I wish he would do, of 351 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,279 what I wish he was. I am a realist, uh, 352 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,680 And so I recognize he is not capable of doing that. 353 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,079 And if he is capable of doing it, he refuses 354 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,160 to do so, it doesn't matter. The end result is 355 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,079 still the same. And so he goes on and he's, 356 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,920 you know, just spitballing out there, just throwing these things 357 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:06,279 out there. And in a memo issued later yesterday after 358 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,960 you know, he did the press conference and said basically 359 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,720 the same thing. Trump suggested that diversity, equity and inclusion 360 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,240 was to blame for the crash. I went over this yesterday. 361 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,680 Why would he bring this up in this news conference? 362 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:27,319 And what I surmised is that this was a response 363 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,519 because of the media coverage that had been occurring in 364 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:35,079 the previous twelve hours. 365 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:36,279 Speaker 1: They had been. 366 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:42,519 Speaker 2: Blaming Donald Trump for firing FAA people or something, and 367 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:47,559 for you know, funding freezes and getting rid of DEI 368 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:51,240 policies and all of these things that they hate Trump 369 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,279 for became the excuse for why this crash occurred, which 370 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,839 is absolutely asinine in my view. There's a much better 371 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,079 way to address that attack that he could have taken, 372 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:05,599 but he did not do that because, as I said earlier, 373 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,160 he is Donald Trump, so he did not do what 374 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,599 I would submit is the better thing to have done. 375 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,359 He did the thing where he attacks DEI and his 376 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,400 predecessors in Biden and Boodhaji and all of this, right, 377 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:27,839 but I surmised he was responding to the media attacks. 378 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,079 And what happens when you do that, Well, remember rule 379 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,680 number two of journalisming, which is that if the scandal 380 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,920 involves a Democrat, then the story is the Republican reaction 381 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:47,119 to the scandal. That's how journalists quote unquote journalismers, That's 382 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,599 how journalismers will frame the story. Now, if the scandal 383 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,599 is a better Republican, then the story is obviously the 384 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,559 scandal like Republican did something bad, Oh my gosh. And 385 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,839 then you play the defend into savow game. You run 386 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,519 around to every single Republican, stick a mic in their 387 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,799 face and demand that they defend or disavow the person 388 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,799 who did the scandal. But if it's a Democrat, then 389 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,279 it's Republican reaction to the scandal. So Phase one, you 390 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,599 attack Donald Trump, accuse him of being the guy who 391 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:22,200 caused all of this. Right, Trump comes out and defends 392 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,640 himself quote unquote, but then also attacks the DEI stuff 393 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:32,200 and the lowered hiring qualifications and standards that were in 394 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,440 fact put in place by Obama and Biden. That is true, 395 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:39,480 that did happen. Donald Trump said it yesterday. Just because 396 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,319 he said it doesn't make it false. I know that's 397 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,839 probably earth shattering news to a lot of Trump haters. 398 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,640 But just because Trump says something doesn't mean it's automatically 399 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,880 not true. Okay, Trump says things that are in fact true, 400 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,039 he says things that are not true. 401 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: He's much like a well, yeah, like a human being. 402 00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:58,039 As crazy as that may sound. 403 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,519 Speaker 2: People say things all the time that are true and 404 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:06,000 are not true. And so he sends out the memo, 405 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,160 and so what then becomes the coverage? Well, glad you asked, 406 00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:15,960 I have access to a publicly available website That website 407 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,720 is called mem Random. I've talked about this website before. 408 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:23,079 It is an aggregator site much like Well then it 409 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,160 goes around and scoops up headlines puts them all into 410 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,240 like categories, so you'll see all of like the flight, 411 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,279 the you know, the mid air collision coverage all in 412 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,640 one place and stuff. And it has links to all 413 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,759 sorts of news organizations and how they're covering it and 414 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:45,160 all that stuff. And it is, by my estimation left 415 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,200 of center. I can tell by the stories that populate 416 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,599 this page, and it's constantly updating. But the stories that 417 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,279 it either by algorithm or by human choice, that it 418 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,119 focuses on, and the angles that it promotes, it seems 419 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,559 to me to be pretty evident that it is from 420 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,960 the left. I mean they post it a Matter New Republic. 421 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:07,519 Stuff gets up there all the time, and that is 422 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,680 a leftist rag anyway. So I look at me Mirandom though, 423 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,960 to see what stories are getting pushed in the left 424 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,519 wing media echo chamber. Another great website on this is 425 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,240 ground News, by the way, as well. Ground News will 426 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:30,640 show you, you know, stories from all these different outlets, 427 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,160 and it does a media bias rating on the media 428 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,160 companies and the outlets that are doing the publications anyway. 429 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,519 So this was as of yesterday evening after Trump's press conference. 430 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,119 The whole first page here we go. Trump seeks without 431 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,559 evidence to blame DEI and Democrats for the crash. That 432 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,799 was the New York Times, and discussion of that story 433 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,400 then appears in Press Watch, The Atlantic, Bloomberg, Wrought Story, 434 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,240 The Hill, Associated Press, Plain Dealer, New York Post, Town Hall, 435 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,559 The Greggio Lawyer's Guns and Money, Show Me, Progress, USA Today, 436 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,880 Vanity Fair, Roll Call, LA Times, Daily Mail, The Guardian, 437 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,160 New York Daily News, Givez Moto, The Left Hook with 438 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,640 wad j. Hot Ali, The Independent, Mock Paper, Scissors, Deadline, 439 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,599 The Post, Millennial, and ce bs News. One story out 440 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:24,839 of the New York Times gets that kind of play. 441 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,920 Next story, Trump's plane crash response is as cheap as 442 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,759 you'd expect. 443 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,599 Speaker 1: This is from the Bulwark. 444 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,519 Speaker 2: These are the neo cons that you left the Republicans 445 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:42,119 over Donald Trump. Discussion occurring about this on Rolling Stone, 446 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,960 Washington Post, AP, Raw Story, NBC, ABC, Axios, Midas, Touched News, 447 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,119 Red State, Business, Inside, or you get the idea. There's 448 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,160 like two dozen places that's appearing next story. Trump lashes 449 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,440 out at Biden DEI efforts after DC plane crash a 450 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,599 whole host of discussion there. Trump spark outcry with implication 451 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,920 that DEI policies are at fault in DC midair collision. 452 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: Ab that was NBC ABC. 453 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,319 Speaker 2: Trump with out citing evidence, attacks FAA diversity initiatives during 454 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,400 plane crash briefing, prompts fierce backlash axios Trump to order 455 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,440 DEI review of aviation despite lack of link to crash. 456 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:28,000 See that is the narrative crafting operation at play. And 457 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:34,839 when Trump behaves the way he behaved, these right themselves, 458 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,720 this is what they have been waiting for. So they 459 00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:43,359 induce the reaction. This is a Lensky tactics, folks. You 460 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,359 induce the reaction and then you savage that reaction. 461 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,759 Speaker 1: I thought they had. I thought they had realized. 462 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,319 Speaker 3: This, But. 463 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not so. 464 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: So that being said, the FAA's diversity diversity hiring practices 465 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,359 have been under scrutiny for a while. All Right, if 466 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,119 you're listening to this show, you know I try to 467 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,000 keep up with all sorts of current events, and I 468 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,240 know you do too, And you've probably heard me say, 469 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,400 get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's 470 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,119 how you detect media bias, which is why I've been 471 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,720 so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's 472 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,680 a website, and it combines news from around the world 473 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160 in one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. 474 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,720 You can check it out at check dot ground, dot 475 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,880 news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast 476 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920 description too. I started using ground News a few months 477 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,559 ago and more recently chose to work with them as 478 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,759 an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories 479 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,039 get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows 480 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,920 you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. 481 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: See for yourself. Check dot ground, dot. 482 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: News slash pete. Subscribe through that link and you'll get 483 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,880 fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan 484 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,440 to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then 485 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,319 not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground 486 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,279 News as they make the media landscape more transparent. 487 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk with Marty. Hello Marty, welcome 488 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:18,680 to the program. 489 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,279 Speaker 3: Hey Pete, I hope you're doing well. 490 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: I am, sir, Thank you well. 491 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: I was going to comment on the Trump issue. I 492 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,599 think that what he done, Pete, And I know you 493 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,960 may disagree with me, but I think what he done 494 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,279 was a necessary evil. And I'm going to tell you why. 495 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,440 I think that the Democrats are not only writing the 496 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,359 narratives on each individual thing that happens with the presidency 497 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,599 of Donald Trump, but they're also writing the narrative on 498 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,119 his presidency period. Now that's where I believe our nation 499 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,599 has come to. It's come to a place where you know, 500 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,039 you've got to set up for the next election and 501 00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:00,279 revealing the Democrats I guess issues in this matter of 502 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,599 what Donald Trump sees them as is something that he 503 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,240 has to do based on the fact that there's probably 504 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,720 what five ten, maybe even as much as fifteen news 505 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,079 agencies that are going against his presidency, trying to create 506 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,599 a narrative that's going to get rid of the Republicans 507 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,079 this election, I mean the next election, and you know, 508 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,599 set it up for the Democrats. That's where our country is. 509 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,759 And it's said, it really is, it's said, but it 510 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,279 has to be I think because it's an ongoing process. 511 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,759 You got a whole media network that's against you and 512 00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:37,559 the party that's against you, and those two are joined 513 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,519 together to destroy you and I believe that the only 514 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,079 time he really gets that word in or that punch 515 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,559 in is through briefings like he done. He can't sit 516 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,920 there like they do twenty four to seven and write 517 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,319 news send it out. He has to throw that punch 518 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:54,480 in there when he's before a lot of people who 519 00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:57,599 are tuned in to hear what he has to say. 520 00:31:58,359 --> 00:31:59,119 His go ahead. 521 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that it is. 522 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: I think you are underestimating the reach that Donald Trump 523 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,559 has on his own social media platforms and his Twitter 524 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,240 page and the like. The man says anything on social media, 525 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,400 and it becomes the lead story everywhere, right, So I 526 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,519 don't think that I don't think that he's an underdog 527 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,400 in that sense. I do agree that all of these 528 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,519 operations align against him, and they would very much like 529 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:29,519 to recap him, absolutely sure. But the way he did 530 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,240 it yesterday, and mine is a criticism of the style 531 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,200 of the thing of the way he delivered that punch, 532 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,920 as you call it, is that it was it was 533 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,599 in my mind, not effective. It was not effective because 534 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,880 it launched all of those stories. It launched all of 535 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,720 these reaction stories where they get to and you heard 536 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,880 it repeated. You know, Trump seeks without evidence, without evidence, 537 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,519 no evidence, like they keep throwing that stuff in there 538 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:02,599 because he didn't produce any evidence yesterday. Now, it would 539 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,759 be one thing if he had come out and said, like, look, 540 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,200 we are looking at whether hiring practices implemented by the 541 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,880 previous administration led to anything like like that's put that 542 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,559 to me. That would have been the way to do it, 543 00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,359 is to say we're looking at it because we don't 544 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,519 know yet if that contributed. But he comes out and 545 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,720 says that it's connected and there's no there isn't. Now, 546 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,759 maybe there is evidence and we just don't know it, 547 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,599 but right now he hasn't produced any evidence to support that. 548 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,720 We don't know that. And if it was the military 549 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:36,759 guys that made the mistake, then the DEI hiring practices 550 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,599 at the FAA would have nothing to do with it. 551 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I can agree to a part of that peat, 552 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,720 But I also see that what I believe they're looking 553 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,079 at is the big picture and the totality of you know, 554 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,839 presidency and the next election and stuff like this. And 555 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,599 I believe that there probably is evidence that he has 556 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,839 because you got to admit, most of the time when 557 00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,720 Trump claimed something, it tends to come true. 558 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, I don't admit that. No, I don't admit that. Well, 559 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,559 I don't agree with that. And I understand people that 560 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,920 love well know, I understand. 561 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: Look, I understand that people who love Donald Trump believe 562 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,880 that to be the case. I am not one of 563 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,239 those people. Donald Trump says a lot of stuff that 564 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,960 is not true. He does, he absolutely, you know, yeah, 565 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,639 he does. And I'm not in the camp of like 566 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,920 I track all of the lies and he's you know, 567 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,400 fifty thousand lies. Like I'm not in that camp either, 568 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:28,159 But I recognize, like the guy speaks in hyperbole and 569 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,159 grandiose exaggerations of things, right. He does it to put 570 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,800 people on their heels. He does it to gain leverage 571 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,199 in a negotiation. He does it for all sorts of reasons, 572 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,800 and that's who he is. I accept all of that. 573 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: And and I can understand what you're saying, and I 574 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,679 can see that, I really can, Pete. But you know, 575 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,800 there's also plosicizing Donald Trump as well for your gain 576 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,599 as well. I mean sure, you know, in the beginning 577 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,800 of the comments here, and I'm not taking a shot 578 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,599 at you, but you called him, you know, orange a 579 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,159 ho and some other stuff, and that you know. 580 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: I called him that who whoa whoa whoa whoa wha. 581 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: Hang on a second, I called Donald Trump an orange 582 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,400 a hole. 583 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,079 Speaker 1: I think that was you, That was not That was 584 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:13,199 not me, Marty Well. 585 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,159 Speaker 3: I apologize, I wholeheartedly apologize. But I think that what 586 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,880 he does do is like in a situation where the 587 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:26,320 uh they accused him of saying that crime rate wasn't 588 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,320 up when they had that debate and they found out 589 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,480 that it was up. And I've seen many times that 590 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,599 his things because of what he knew, and they would 591 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,079 try to change the narrative or dismiss the narrative as 592 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,400 he don't know what he's talking about, Right, he's dumb 593 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840 and he's ignorant, and it's turned out that he wasn't 594 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,320 that way. And that's that's my point. 595 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: And I think that I don't disagree with that that 596 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:47,320 the media missed. 597 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,159 Speaker 2: The media miss quotes him, They assumed the worst meanings 598 00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,719 and intense. Absolutely, they they chop up his his sound 599 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,000 bites to make him sound like he's saying that he's 600 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,079 saying something that he didn't say asolutely the good people 601 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,400 on both sides is the classic example of it. So yeah, 602 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,199 I can agree I don't have to choose. So once again, 603 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,559 it's another one of these false choices. I don't have 604 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:13,360 to choose that it is all or nothing, because it's both. 605 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,599 The media is behaving the way they have been constantly 606 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:19,320 behaving with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is behaving the way 607 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,599 he constantly behaves. And sometimes he says things that are 608 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,159 true that they twist and they blame him for things 609 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,960 that he is not responsible for. But then sometimes he 610 00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,400 says things that are not true. Right, so like those 611 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,519 things can all be true. 612 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 3: I think that's as fair analogy. But I also think 613 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,320 that what we have to do at this point, and 614 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,639 you know, hopefully the presidency will do it and the 615 00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,639 news media do it, wait and see and see what happens, 616 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,360 see who was true and who was false, and you know, 617 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:48,800 just find out what did happen. 618 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not gonna happen, Marty. 619 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 3: I wish it would. 620 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you too, have a good weekend. I don't 621 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,840 think that's gonna happen. And I would like a billion 622 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:06,679 that's no. And I think it was. It may have 623 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,880 been Trump yesterday in a Q and A. Maybe I 624 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,519 think he said it. 625 00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: You know, somebody asked, well, you know you're speculating, or 626 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,039 I think it was him, or maybe it was Caroline Levitt, 627 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,239 I forget, but somebody in the administration, I believe, like 628 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,280 pointed out that you guys are attacking Trump for speculating 629 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,559 about what the causes might have been, because that's what 630 00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:30,480 he was doing, right, And he may be more informed 631 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,239 of some of the stuff than we are. We don't know, 632 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,039 and people who love Trump are going to assume that 633 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,159 he knows everything already and he's speaking in code because 634 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,920 it gives him comfort. I don't know that to be true, 635 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,519 so I don't I don't adopt that as a belief. 636 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,960 Now that being said, what he was doing is precisely 637 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,760 what the media does, right that they're not the president, 638 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,639 but they are the media, and they're they're giving information 639 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,840 to the American public. And when they start speculating on 640 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,039 this stuff, you can't then turn around and say, well, 641 00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,760 you can't do the same thing I'm doing. 642 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. 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